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ducpainter

#45
January 22, 2012, 05:59:37 PM
Quote from: muskrat on January 22, 2012, 07:51:02 AM
If someone comes up with an aluminum tank for a reasonable price I'll bet you will have a line around the door stretching some 20k bikes.  Good luck. [thumbsup]
You've had a lot to say about the whole tank situation, even without a dog in the fight...

define reasonable.

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TitanMonsterS4R

#46
January 22, 2012, 06:32:57 PM
Quote from: Duck-Stew on January 22, 2012, 05:52:59 PM
Too busy these days and my AL forming isn't up to the task...  Thanks though

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TitanMonsterS4R

#47
January 23, 2012, 05:32:01 AM
Got my first quote - Battistini in the UK wants $3100.00 and needs me to ship them my tank.  3 weeks for production. 
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ducpainter

#48
January 23, 2012, 06:03:02 AM
Quote from: MadDuc 20/20 on January 23, 2012, 05:32:01 AM
Got my first quote - Battistini in the UK wants $3100.00 and needs me to ship them my tank.  3 weeks for production. 
Shipping to the UK will be more than you expect.
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TitanMonsterS4R

#49
January 23, 2012, 06:30:41 AM
Quote from: ducpainter on January 23, 2012, 06:03:02 AM
Shipping to the UK will be more than you expect.

I haven't even factored that into the equation.  I would expect that to be another $200-$300.00 at the very least.  Stateside options are going to be my best bet.  Plus Japan will ship me one for about $2400.00.  So the UK is definitely out.   
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ducpainter

#50
January 23, 2012, 09:48:46 AM
I bet the $300 range is pretty close.

I don't think you'll beat $2400, but that number is for the other style pump mounting.

A flange with retainers is going to be more expensive to make, and keep flat during fabrication/welding.

You probably figured that already.

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ducpainter

#51
January 23, 2012, 04:29:47 PM
Quote from: muskrat on January 23, 2012, 03:57:47 PM
I owned two with plastic tanks so I have been an affected customer and now the whole bunch I ride with has the issues so yes I chime in with my thoughts.

Reasonable would be $1k or less IMO
You're entitled to your opinion...but...I want some of what you're smoking.

That isn't even reasonable from the buyers perspective. [laugh] That's highway robbery.

You can't buy a new OEM tank for that...granted they are ridiculously over priced...

you can't buy a carbon tank for that...

you can't buy an eti tank for that...

and I doubt anyone can hand build one for that in their garage if they count their labor even at short dollars.

Aluminum fabrication is almost all hand work by skilled workers.

Why would you be able to buy a hand made aluminum tank for that?

Be realistic.
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Travman

#52
January 23, 2012, 06:17:43 PM
Quote from: ducpainter on January 23, 2012, 04:29:47 PM

Aluminum fabrication is almost all hand work by skilled workers.

Why would you be able to buy a hand made aluminum tank for that?
Maybe skilled workers from third world countries could produce the hand made aluminum tanks for under $1K.

ducpainter

#53
January 24, 2012, 03:57:37 AM
Quote from: Travman on January 23, 2012, 06:17:43 PM
Maybe skilled workers from third world countries could produce the hand made aluminum tanks for under $1K.
Maybe.

I just don't see an aluminum tank being marketed for a grand even if they get produced for a price that would allow it.
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stopintime

#54
January 24, 2012, 04:17:15 AM
Besides a weight issue, is there a chance that tanks can be forged?
Two halves welded together....
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ducpainter

#55
January 24, 2012, 04:25:19 AM
I'm thinking they'd be a top and bottom, but likely not two halves.

That was one of the labor intensive parts of the steel Monster tanks.

They were 5 pieces welded together and then finished.
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ducatiz

#56
January 24, 2012, 05:57:30 AM
Quote from: ducpainter on January 24, 2012, 04:25:19 AM
I'm thinking they'd be a top and bottom, but likely not two halves.

That was one of the labor intensive parts of the steel Monster tanks.

They were 5 pieces welded together and then finished.

Stamped aluminum and then hand finished, but someone would have to make the form.
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ducpainter

#57
January 24, 2012, 06:09:58 AM
A stamping would require as many pieces as a stock metal tank.

The tooling would be expensive, and the somewhat limited market wouldn't justify the expense.

I could be completely wrong about all this.

Time will tell.

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Speeddog

#58
January 24, 2012, 08:49:33 AM
It'd be at least 2 pieces for the top, considering how much the sides wrap under.
1 piece for the filler 'well'.
1 piece for the bottom.
1 thick piece for the flange to bolt the fuel pump plate to.
A folded hinge bracket for the rear mount.
Then 6 threaded 'inserts' for the 2 rubber pads and the latch.
2 nipples for the vent and filler overflow.
2 formed tubes to connect the vent and overflow nipples on the bottom to the filler 'well'.

I'm pretty confident that if it were possible to get it made 3rd world and sold for $1k.... you'd see tanks on EBay right now.
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ducatiz

#59
January 24, 2012, 08:55:39 AM
Quote from: Speeddog on January 24, 2012, 08:49:33 AM
It'd be at least 2 pieces for the top, considering how much the sides wrap under.
1 piece for the filler 'well'.
1 piece for the bottom.
1 thick piece for the flange to bolt the fuel pump plate to.
A folded hinge bracket for the rear mount.
Then 6 threaded 'inserts' for the 2 rubber pads and the latch.
2 nipples for the vent and filler overflow.
2 formed tubes to connect the vent and overflow nipples on the bottom to the filler 'well'.

I'm pretty confident that if it were possible to get it made 3rd world and sold for $1k.... you'd see tanks on EBay right now.

86 the vent and overflow or just use an old style overflow only -- doubles as a vent. 

i bet alibaba.com has answers... :-)_
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