Good form vs bad form - photos

[DBEng]

Thanks guys, this thread has been very educational for a noob to riding.
I need to go and get some photos of myself now - lucky there are plenty of red light and speed cameras. 

[Slide Panda]

The lens doesn't lie. If you've got a riding buddy with a video set up, that can be even better. Stills are good, video is much better. You can them watch all points of your turn. There's more to doing a turn well than just body position. Lots happens in a short amount of time. For example, coming off the 'big' straight where I run my KTM it's

GAS GAS GAS>Roll off>Rise up and Get neutral>BRAKES!>Bang down 3 gears while on the brakes>Tuck in left foot and turn out hips look for my exit>Tip in>gas Gas GAS. And that's all 2-3 seconds... and I'm not that fast.

Video can help you look at all the segments of a turn

[Triple J]

GAS GAS GAS>Roll off>Rise up and Get neutral get ass off seat to turn side>BRAKES!>Bang down 3 gears while on the brakes>Tuck in left foot and turn out hips look for my exit>Tip in>gas Gas GAS. And that's all 2-3 seconds... and I'm not that fast.

Just a suggestion.  

Getting your body ready should be one of the 1st things done, as it'll slow everything down (mentally) at corner entry. Doing it right before you tip in is a recipe for disaster when you overcook a corner. You can brake and downshift with your body (mainly butt/hips) off to the inside of the corner.

There really isn't a need to ever be in a neutral position, unless it's a long straight.

[Slide Panda]

So we're on the same page what do you think of when talking about neutral position.

[ducpainter]

So we're on the same page what do you think of when talking about neutral position.

I think he means ass in the middle.

He's right...moving your butt just prior to tip in can unsettle the suspension and cause all kinds of issues

[Slide Panda]

I'm referring to front back weight distro. Not being too over the front of the bike thus causing added compression to the forks and potentially robbing yourself of traction you want for others stuff.

I mean neutral like Cornerspeed / cornerspin

[ducpainter]

We're talking about when you move your butt to the side.

Your last minute technique can cause issues by upsetting the bike.

[Triple J]

We're talking about when you move your butt to the side.

Your last minute technique can cause issues by upsetting the bike.

Yep

Body position (front-rear & side to side) should be done very early (your post has "turn out hips" right before "tip in"). Unless it's a long straight, there really isn't a reason to ever be in the center of the bike, as you should set up for the next corner when you exit the previous one. Basically, keep movements as efficient as possible, and move as few of times as possible. This gives your brain less to think about, and also keeps you from getting so tired.

I'm not sure what you mean by "neutral like Cornerspeed / cornerspin"

[$Lindz$]

From last weekend, at WSIR Streets with the R6.

[Slide Panda]

Not there yet... but getting better.

Change for the better:
- All upper body on the inside
- Both arms in a bit more screwdriver position


On tap for next time
- More upper body commitment - chin more towards hand
- Getting both arms into more screwdriver positions
- Don't be lazy about getting toes back... touched a toe a couple times....

[Triple J]

Here's my latest from a few weeks ago. I'm pretty happy with my body position, and my outside arm is relaxed and laying on the tank. My upper body could still be off a bit more though. Getting there though. 

This is also my friend's $20K RSV4 (sweeeeet bike  ), so I wasn't pushing it too hard. Increasing speed makes upper body position a little easier for me.

[Slide Panda]

Now video

Quite clearly illustrates by his arm, how to push a bike down... all the way to the pavement.


Inside arm straight, outside quite flexed shows he's counter-leaning a good bit. Result the bike has to lean more to make the turn at the speed he's got and ker-ash. Lucky mofo just pops off w/o an apparent scratch.

[Duc796canada]

Everyone is a far better rider than I'm, it is good to see the different forms. I know when we are all riding we think it is all good, until we see a picture. I remember from my motocross days, hahaha, jumping etc. Keep them coming

[Slide Panda]

No good illustrative photos this time from the last track day of the season.  But made sure to keep toes on pegs and out of they way this time. Got a good tip from a control rider regarding hip position/rotation.

Now running a pace to pass up a few folks in the intermediate group on the ole thumper

[$Lindz$]

Spent the day tuning my suspension with Dave Moss and I worked on different BP.

Top is my "normal" which is pretty open into the corner.




And bottom is what I ended up doing for most of the day. Lower and more tucked, moved a lot more forward on the bike (crotch basically on tank). Gives better feel for the front end and lets the rear rotate and wiggle about without your body also doing that.