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watch this fool swap a '96 900ss engine into an '01 M750

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Rudemouthsky

#45
May 14, 2013, 03:18:01 PM
I'll let everyone on this board kick me square in the balls before I give someone $200 for 2 fukging bolts.
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Real Recognize Real

#46
May 14, 2013, 04:30:40 PM
Quote from: Buck Naked on May 14, 2013, 03:18:01 PM
I'll let everyone on this board kick me square in the balls before I give someone $200 for 2 fukging bolts.

Who has the honor of delivering the 1st kick? ;D
Don't argue with idiots. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Rudemouthsky

#47
May 14, 2013, 06:51:58 PM
Quote from: Real Recognize Real on May 14, 2013, 04:30:40 PM
Who has the honor of delivering the 1st kick? ;D

Deliver me 2 10mm titanium bolts and you can deliver a swift kick to the balls with em.

I'm drilling these cases in the morning. If someone here can recommend what kind of bit to use and advice on the process that would be awesome.
"while there is a lower class, I am in it, and while there is a criminal element, I am of it, and while there is a soul in prison, I am not free." -Debs

brad black

#48
May 14, 2013, 06:57:25 PM
Quote from: Buck Naked on May 14, 2013, 12:53:47 PM
So here's some news: 1996 900ss inlet manifolds are the exact same size as 2001 m750 inlet manifolds.

yes, but the 900 have a bend to keep the carbs in the same place.
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brad black

#49
May 14, 2013, 06:58:56 PM
Quote from: Buck Naked on May 14, 2013, 06:51:58 PM
Deliver me 2 10mm titanium bolts and you can deliver a swift kick to the balls with em.

I'm drilling these cases in the morning. If someone here can recommend what kind of bit to use and advice on the process that would be awesome.

buy a really long 12mm bit, it'll be easy.  probably about $200 for a good one.
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Monsterlover

#50
May 14, 2013, 07:24:26 PM
Quote from: Buck Naked on May 14, 2013, 02:44:01 PM
I'm completely stuck. The 10mm bolts I ordered from a 90s SS are too short. Threaded rods are currently holding the engine in place until I can figure out a solution. Apparently pre 2001 Ducatis have different item numbers for each motor mount bolt. The lengths of these bolts are not the same they are too short. All of the homework I did preparing did not warn me of this. I'm stuck with either going to a Fastenal or some other kind of industrial fastener place to find a suitable bolt, getting raped on the Nichols bolts, or drilling out the cases. This pretty much fukn blows.

How about some grade 8 all thread and a couple nuts?  10mm is just a little bigger than 3/8...
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Rudemouthsky

#51
May 14, 2013, 07:26:36 PM Last Edit: May 14, 2013, 07:31:09 PM by Buck Naked
Brad: you do think that's a good idea? Seems like the jury is out on that but if Brad Black says no problem with drilling out the cases... then that's the last word as far as I'm concerned. $200 drill bit? Whha...

Monsterlover: threaded rods?
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Rudemouthsky

#52
May 14, 2013, 07:37:06 PM
2 threaded rods holding my motor...nfw... really? No...
"while there is a lower class, I am in it, and while there is a criminal element, I am of it, and while there is a soul in prison, I am not free." -Debs

Monsterlover

#53
May 14, 2013, 07:48:01 PM
Its what holds the engine in my 950 supermoto r and it puts out a few more ponies than an air cooled 2v ducati engine.

I wouldn't have suggested it if it was possibly going to kill you.
"The Vincent was like a bullet that went straight; the Ducati is like the magic bullet in Dallas that went sideways and hit JFK and the Governor of Texas at the same time."--HST    **"A man who works with his hands is a laborer.  A man who works with his hands and his brain is a craftsman.  A man who works with his hands, brains, and heart is an artist."  -Louis Nizer**

Rudemouthsky

#54
May 15, 2013, 05:24:21 AM
Quote from: Monsterlover on May 14, 2013, 07:48:01 PM
Its what holds the engine in my 950 supermoto r and it puts out a few more ponies than an air cooled 2v ducati engine.

I wouldn't have suggested it if it was possibly going to kill you.

I've seen your posts, Monsterlover and I can tell you're not an assclown. But I'm sure you can understand my trepidation when it comes to something like this. I don't want to spend every second I'm on the highway imagining the outcome of that engine dropping between my wheels.

Notes so far: both intake manifolds had to be removed to drop the engine. I suppose it could be done by only removing the rear one, but I don't see why anyone would bother. Removing the kickstand was also worth the time. The engine was remarkably easy to remove.

The manifolds are identical...I'm willing to bet on it. I also mocked up my exhaust...it's gonna fit...I'd bet on that also.

2 people and a floor jack was NOT a fun way to get the new engine in. Some kind of cherry picker, or maybe ratchet straps connected to something on the ceiling...anything but how we did it. It sucked and my knuckles are busted up big time, but it's in. A third person to manipulate the swingarm and bike frame would have made it a cynch. The only way I could see doing it by yourself would be to remove the rear tire, swingarm, and complete front end and dropping the frame on top. But then again I'm stoopid.

if someone could chime in today about my bolt issue, what I should do, whether or not drilling the cases is a good idea, etc today that would be tremendous and I'd gladly buy you a beer or ten.

"while there is a lower class, I am in it, and while there is a criminal element, I am of it, and while there is a soul in prison, I am not free." -Debs

koko64

#55
May 15, 2013, 05:58:39 AM
TPO have beautiful titanium engine bolts for $150. They make  exquisite parts and would be worth it in your situation. What are the oem ones worth?
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ducatiz

#56
May 15, 2013, 06:23:51 AM
Quote from: Buck Naked on May 15, 2013, 05:24:21 AM
if someone could chime in today about my bolt issue, what I should do, whether or not drilling the cases is a good idea, etc today that would be tremendous and I'd gladly buy you a beer or ten.

do not drill the case

using a threaded rod of suitable metal is sufficient.  Once the engine is locked in place, the frame will keep the rod from flexing significantly. 
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Rudemouthsky

#57
May 15, 2013, 07:47:45 AM
Not drilling the cases, using threaded rods, or paying ridiculous $ for bolts.
"while there is a lower class, I am in it, and while there is a criminal element, I am of it, and while there is a soul in prison, I am not free." -Debs

Rudemouthsky

#58
May 15, 2013, 09:53:54 AM
I'm sure you guys are right but I just don't like the thought of anything other than a bolt made for this job. I was able to find them at Pinwall by ordering 2 sets and using the longer of the pair. The difference where the hole in the frame is, I found a spacer at Lowes that fills the gap perfectly.
"while there is a lower class, I am in it, and while there is a criminal element, I am of it, and while there is a soul in prison, I am not free." -Debs

MotoPsycho

#59
May 16, 2013, 05:07:56 AM
Quote from: Buck Naked on May 15, 2013, 09:53:54 AM
The difference where the hole in the frame is, I found a spacer at Lowes that fills the gap perfectly.
Won't use all-thread but bought something for a Ducati at Lowes ?

Grade 8 bolts, all-thread, nuts, whatever, is way better than the grade 5 stuff the factory put out. It has higher tensile strength, which means it's way stronger.
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