OFFICIAL: Closed Loop ECU mods

[He Man]

Heres the update: Called them up spoke to Lenny Pedersen, he said i should send the RB unit (the queens shop is closed) to him and have the firmware updated and replace the O2 Modulator.


the unit does have some memory issues at the begining, but i havent had any issues with it losing maps just yet.....but its still a concern.

Im off to school and tryinig the "zero" map to see if i still have a flat spot.

[He Man]

Ok rb unit is comming of when I get home. this thing sucks. If foster can't get this thing to run right I'm gonna light this pregnant dog on fire. I'm at a spilt in the road again. If foster group can't fix it, ill vouch for moto4us, rb is dead.

But I'm gonna give them the benefit of the doubt an see what happens

[inka]

Hey all,

I've posted some lengthy posts here and OTB regarding my experience with RB so I won't rehash them now, but to sum up, I've decided to go in another direction.  I think the module does offer a lot, and the potential is great, but I haven't found a tuner willing to work with me to get it dialed in.  It runs better, it runs stronger, but there are a few spots in the powerband that aren't quite perfect.  Soooo....I've given up and am getting a DP ECU installed next week.  Big bucks I know, and I was hoping to avoid it, but I really want a perfectly-fueled bike.  I'll post up when the ECU gets installed, and let you know the results.  As for Al and Moto4Us, I still can't say enough good things about him and his efforts to make RB3 a success here in the States.  Sometimes these things work out and sometimes they don't.....

[He Man]

Hey all,

I've posted some lengthy posts here and OTB regarding my experience with RB so I won't rehash them now, but to sum up, I've decided to go in another direction.  I think the module does offer a lot, and the potential is great, but I haven't found a tuner willing to work with me to get it dialed in.  It runs better, it runs stronger, but there are a few spots in the powerband that aren't quite perfect.  Soooo....I've given up and am getting a DP ECU installed next week.  Big bucks I know, and I was hoping to avoid it, but I really want a perfectly-fueled bike.  I'll post up when the ECU gets installed, and let you know the results.  As for Al and Moto4Us, I still can't say enough good things about him and his efforts to make RB3 a success here in the States.  Sometimes these things work out and sometimes they don't.....

is it because there is no dealer that works with RB units or is it because no one can get the thing to work right?

[inka]

it's because no dealer w/dyno in my area wants to work with it.  Hopefully you'll have better luck.

[He Man]

it's because no dealer w/dyno in my area wants to work with it.  Hopefully you'll have better luck.

hopefully.... i wonder how much a dyno tune is at the shop im gonna be doing it at...

I took of the RB3 unit last night and took it out for a spin today an i FINNALY got a chance to do a wheelie!!!! no more 4k flat spot! lol back to stock. However, i will say this,

though the RB3 unit sucked, and had a flat spot even with a zero map, it made my bike so freaking smooth. When i first installed it, i didnt notice it much, but after riding it for a week, and then taking it off, i suddenly forgot how well my carbie 900 rode, this S2R1k SUCKS. Its  everywhere and no where at all.

[JDS 07 S4Rs]

I feel sorry for you, but why you didn't read my posts before buying RB? I wrote about all the problems with modules losing memory and support/warranty from Dimsport (I don't even want to talk about foster, they are out of business in my opinion...technoresearch in same boat, but at least they ran away from RB and cleaning his inventory).
BTW you don't need RBO2 for '06 and you can try to reload the project (if you have pro software)...that's what worked in few bikes. For ex I have my race gsxr750 and I cannot keep maps longer then one deals gap ride (I have also switch maps and I end up with some weird maps, anyway nothing close to what I loaded).
I'll update my thread about "the end of RB in US"...

Al. Its John from Canada. I have only put on 1800 miles since U sent the my RB3 back with new programming. It hasnt skipped a beat.
This is on my 07 S4RS with Termi Shortie (Catalytic converter removed)
My problem was anything above 6000 Rpm. Sometimes it felt like someone was flicking the engine kill switch on/off. Or Rev limiter (as HeMan said)
I never did noticed a HUGE gain in power, but it does pull steady, even at lower RPM. I never took it to a Dealership to get fine tuned either. Termi Shorties probably arnt the best pipe for power gains.

As for Rapid Bike. I dont think it will make it in the US/ North America without the support of Tuners like Al. Just my Opinion.

Now, what do U guys know about the making the best potential power on a stock 1098 ? :-)
I see that here are so many more options available in the last few months. DP ECU's are coming down in price. There's a company called   " Hypertrick " that will take your OEM ECU & program a Map for slip/on or full exhaust http://www.hypertrick.net/en/
The Nemisis prgrammer, FatDuc O2 Manipulator, PCIII. Whats the best " Bang for the Buck " with out the hassle of having to make the beast with two backs around with the tuning all the time?

[He Man]

I spoke to Foster today. RB unit is being shipped back to me, should get it tomorrow according to FedEx.

Apparently the previous tuner that touched it used the wrong version of RB manager to program it and it couldn't communicate with the RBO2. Hopefully I'll get it up and running without the mentioned issues. How often was the 6000rpm + problem? I had the same issues from 4000+ and it was consistent each and every time (20%+ throttle)

either way, I wont be back on the bike for another 2-3 weeks. Went down today and banged up my bike and my leg.

[JDS 07 S4Rs]

Hey Man He Man, sorry to hear that. That sucks. I hope it wasnt too serious ?

It was never consistant. I'd say 50% of the time. It seemed like it would by-pass the hesitation - if I rolled it on slowly.

 "Al " also said the RB3 was not communicating until he reprogrammed it with new software

[He Man]

Hey Man He Man, sorry to hear that. That sucks. I hope it wasnt too serious ?

It was never consistant. I'd say 50% of the time. It seemed like it would by-pass the hesitation - if I rolled it on slowly.

 "Al " also said the RB3 was not communicating until he reprogrammed it with new software

it wasnt to bad. I have to go scrap my skin of the exahust pipe. Went to class today and my sock was soaked in blood since i walked up 4 flights of stairs. No more walking until it scabs over. Got me right on the ankle. Should of worn my boots. It was one of those days where i just didnt realize i wasnt wearing boots and just hopped on the bike. 

Anyway, i had the exact same issue, if i rolled on the throttle slowly then it wouldnt be there, but if i wacked it past 20% throttle then the bike would hit the flat spot. I dont know why this problem exists. I know its not a fueling issue because i ran a 0 advance and fuel map. Fedex.com said its shipped so i cant wait to get home today and toy with it.

[Monstermash]

Wow, I haven't checked this thread in a while and it seems like I've missed a few things.

First off I would like to wis HeMan a speedy recovery. Crashing sucks, sorry to hear you went down.

The second thing I would like to say is........



I TOLD YOU SO!!!!!!!!!


But somehow those words just aren't any fun when you guys are still having problems. I knew I had a bad feeling about RB back on TOB. And there was that one guy (I forget his name) who kept mentioning it in EVERY thread that even remotely had anything to do with fueling. Where is he now I wonder? 

Oh well, good luck getting the thing to work.

If you don't have any luck, you could always just buy my bike. At least it's running right now that it has the DP cams and ECU.

[He Man]

knowpain?

I still havent installed it. If anything ill pass it on to the next hopeful person.

[Monstermash]

knowpain?

 Yeah! That was him. What a dick. I sent him a nice polite email asking him to refrain from posting in the threads where we were trying to find a solution and he sent me back a rude email. Something about some guy asking him to stop make the beast with two backsing his girlfriend and he told him the same thing he told me.....Go make the beast with two backs myself. There was more but that was the gist of it. What a douch bag. I'm glad we haven't seen him here yet.

 Or have we and I just missed it?

[He Man]

I haven't seen him. Last i remember he sold his bike.

Thats a really make the beast with two backsing werid story. lol "yea i was make the beast with two backsing some dudes chick and he was like please dont do that anymore and i said go make the beast with two backs himself" 

He was the one who said all the hot stuff about how his bike is much better then everyone elses cause of RB3 and how his bike developed 95+hp/tq or something like that. When the graphs came it, it was just a mommentary spike that induced a peak. 

[muskrat]

The interest to fine tune one's ECU (post-exhaust and/or airbox mod) is extremely high and there are numerous posts.

I'd like to use this post to pull together all the different options and current product developments and provide a unified thread of making closed looped ECU bikes run better. I will add likes to other threads as I have time. Please feel free to post links on this topic that I've missed. Also please post errors and such and I will append this post from time to time to keep it fresh.

Thanks!

Common perceptions (feel free to add or critique if you disagree):

• Ducati's come lean from the manufacturer to pass emissions.
• Upgrading to aftermarket Slip-on's do not require ECU mod.
• Upgrading to aftermarket full-exhausts might not require ECU mod depending on new exhaust flow rate. For example, Exbox doesn't require ECU mods, but others' may
• Upgrading to aftermarket full-exhausts and airbox mods require ECU mod to rich the AF mixture
• No idea if just modifying the airbox requires ECU mod

Current (and near-production) ECU mods

Ducati Performance ECU - Designed specifically for the Termi system, but works reasonable well for other systems. The part number is either "96517706B" or "96517906B". Some dealers will not sell only the chip (without the exhaust and airfilter). Price is in the $1000-$1300 range. Product is not 'tunable', other than the trim. Mechanics for this product widely available.
http://www.motospecialties.com/PartOrder.asp?Store=DucatiOmaha

PowerCommander III - There are several options people have taken.  If you want to run stock ECU, Dynojet now lists a PCIII for a 2008 S4R (which is odd...as there are no S4R in 2008) module which does not tune below 5250 RPM and below 19% throttle unless you also have the DP ECU.  If you have the DP ECU, you would load a different canned map.  A third option is to use the stock ECU, but disconnect the O2 sensor and use the PC III for designed for a 1000ie or a 06 S4R (part number 717-411)  which has full range of adjustments.  You wil need to pay for a custom map and the "check engine" light will stay on constantly. Dynotuners are widely available.
http://www.powercommander.com/powercommander_iii_usb/powercommander_all_downloads.aspx?mk=5&mdl=193&yr=2008

UltiMap59 - Product is full ECU replacement and will eliminate the need for an O2 sensor while not triggering the "Check Engine" light. Generation 2 product does not work with stepper motor to smooth out engine while idling. Generation 3 product runs with the stepper motor.  Website is due to be updated with new info on Gen 3.  One major upshot is the ability to use any aftermarket speedo/tach display and the disabling of the immobilizer. Dynotuners for this product limited in US.
http://www.ultimap-ecu.com/

RapidBike 3 - RapidBike is having distributor drama.  Please read link below or 2nd post on page 5 of this thread before buying http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=7590.0
Mixed results. Some people love it. Other people says the support is bad and it fried their ECU or won't hold a map in memory. Latest from RapidBike is that their piggyback unit used in conjunction with the O2 eliminator works very well. However, the O2 eliminator only works with their system.
Note: Rapid Bike redesigned the O2 eliminator this winter for 2007-2008 bikes. New O2 module now shipping and is able to add or subtract fuel across the board by twisting the plug to new settings.  The instruction is poorly written with conflicting info and customer service from the main importer is spotty.  Does NOT work with the stepper motor for cold starts.
http://rapidbike.dimsport.com/indexrapid.php?DS=89295c90113848a097a28593b0a7aa0d&lang=en

Techlusion TFI Fuel Injection Module - Suppose to work for all Ducati modes by adding fuel across the board in 3 RPM zones. Need user feedback.
http://www.dobeckperformance.com/default.asp

FactoryPro' Teka Box - Product is in development. Have already been fitted to 3 bikes with good feedback. Currently only available out of FactoryPro's shop in N.California (you lucks dogs!), but may be able to ship product in 6 month to shops that use their Dyno systems. The box eliminates the O2 sensor while maintaining the stepper motor. Dynotuners for this product limited in US.
http://www.factorypro.com/index.htm

Competition Systems' Nemesis - Aftermarket replacement ECU for the 749/999/1098. Application for other Ducati's in the works.  Application for S4RS(T) is second in line for development (Hypermotard is ucrrently being developed--ready around October 2008).  S4RS application tentatively scheduled for Nov'2008.
http://www.mmcompsys.com/motorsportsengine.html

Jefferies MyECU - Aftermarket replacement ECU from Australia. Website suggests it is a new company with 1 employee. Website has customer testimonials, but no before&after dynomaps. Need user feedback. Does not work with Monsters after 2003, which has a newer two connector ECU. Good write-up here: http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=13043.0;topicseen
http://jefferies-au.org/MyECU/index.htm

FatDuc O2 Manipulator - Aftermarket plug-n-play that sits between the O2 sensor and the ECU.  It has a dial that allows the user to modify the reading that the O2 sensor is sending back to the ECU.  This causes the ECU to think it is running lean thereby adding more fuel. The effect should only be felt during the closed loop part of the ECU map.  People seems to be happy with the results; haven't heard any negative stories yet.  The cost is only $80.
http://www.fatduc.com/

Let me know if I missed any or am wrong about anything!

I'm trying to follow the thread but being very UNknowledgeable in mechanics I keep getting more confused.
Essentially I'm thinking of changing  to the QD Ex-Box system. This one http://www.motowheels.com/italian/myproducts.cfm?parentcategoryid=660|Ducati%20Exhaust&productID=4688&showDetail=1&categoryID=671|Monster%20Exhaust&vendoridtodisplay=0&filterFor=&collection=168|European%20Motorcycle%20Parts
I have an 06 S2R and it seems a closed loop system.  What I have are the Termis and PC III, already tuned.  Can I make this exhaust change and not fiddle with the ECU?  If not, can you help tell me what options I have?
Thanks