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New picture of the Ducati Diavel... not AS bad as I originally thought... but still not my thing

http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2010/10/ducati-diavel-gets-colored-in/ (http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2010/10/ducati-diavel-gets-colored-in/)

(http://i1023.photobucket.com/albums/af353/WinSomeLoseNone/Random/Ducati-Diavel-599x411.jpg)

Dare I say "I like it" because I do...    :-X


I'll be test riding one in the future for sure. It looks mean and powerful.

This is funny.....taken from the comments on the page

"In other news, sales of these are expected to triple in the next 6 months."
http://store.ducatiusa.com/product/365117/981004400/_/Ducati_Corse_Bandana (http://store.ducatiusa.com/product/365117/981004400/_/Ducati_Corse_Bandana)

[laugh]


It's the Harley for the closet Harley lover....




...seriously, those grapefruit launchers on the side are awful....

Suvery Says:

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you know what it is... it looks too heavy... the 2v air cooled would lighten the look more.

 [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]

That's funny!

Obviously those would be first to go.

Those front air intakes remind me of:

(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:Z99_Fr0iuW4dhM:http://hellforleathermagazine.com/images/Buell_1125CR_left.jpg&t=1)

RAM air makes it go faster!!



Looks like Buell..my first thought as well Dave!

Well, the buell market share is untapped right now... so I guess it's a good idea?


Still though,  like it for some odd reason.

Imagine it modified...... remove the shitty crap (that's redundant) and make it look badass... I think there is a LOT of potential for this bike.

I'm NOT a closet harley enthusiast!!!!

more like:

(http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/photogallerys/large/Yamaha-vmax.jpg)

I'm not sure if I like it...that's really all I can say...

OK OK, it needs work.

remove the ram air, remove the things below the ram air (led deposits for blinkers??), change the exhaust, remove that stupid looking headlight cowl thing and you have a pretty cool looking bike.

The trellis frame is looking more and more vestigial.  I assume it connects to the steering head, but it looks like it was just copied, and pasted into the side of the bike.
I don't understand the point of doing a SSS if you are going to cover up the pretty side with the exhaust.  The ugly exhaust.

[laugh]

No need to defend your opinion Veloce we all like what we like....and really, it's "ok" if you're a closet Harley lover!! [cheeky] 

wow -- even the color scheme looks familiar to my DesmoDevil!

I can't wait to do photoshoots when the Diavel is in the Northwest in the red/dark color combination.

So who is going to ship one to my shop?  I have some really cool ideas to cleanup the look of Ducati's version...

Holy crap, that is cool. I can't wait to see one.  Just needs to lose that exhaust.  [thumbsup]

Oh look, someone already crashed one:

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(http://www.todoterrenotv.com.ar/wp-content/plugins/wp-o-matic/cache/8efd6_ducati-diavel-accidentada.jpg)


This does not bode well...

he got hit.

Still not a good run of luck for the new bike!!

I kinda like it, this bikes got potential. When im in the market for a cruiser this will be on top of the list. It needs  some mods but isnt that why we love our monsters...

A cruiser? Really? Look at the riding position on that thing. This POS seems to be designed specifically for the "let's parade to the cafe/tavern and back" crowd. It looks built for short distances and straight lines. I can't doing any serious touring with it and it has all of Ducati's power and none of the handling (I presume judging by the long wheel base and heavy weight).

No sir, I don't like it.

sac

Holy crap! Where are the photos from? That sucks he wrecked a pre-production bike.

He must have been a harley rider and wasn't used to the power.  ;D



 :'(  "I'm trapped in the closet"

-I'm really not a harley fan though...  

  I like it!   [evil]   It looks muscular and powerful.

 This will keep my eyes from wandering to a Victory or (cough,H-D,cough) model.

Oh alright, we'll let you off the hook this time!! The pics were from Bologna.

Holy crap! I just read that this thing has a 240 on the rear! 240! Jesus Christ on a pogo stick! Why? Why would Ducati do that? I truly do not understand what this bike is for. I understand most HD's are pure cruisers (though I don't get the point of the V Rod) and that's fine. The BMW line up hits a wide range of cruising, touring and adventure touring. But, seriously, what the make the beast with two backs is this thing supposed to do? I can't think of any one aspect of motorcycling that this bike will excel in. Anyone have a clue?

Comfort for touring? No.
Handling in the tight twisties? No.
Off road/Adventure capability? No.
Track? No.

I guess you could make it into a drag bike.  :-\  That sounds like a . . . drag.

sac

I can see the ad copy now:

"The new Ducati Diavel -giving you the power and freedom to to bar hop and do your weekly Starbucks / Whole Foods run with a performance and agility unmatched by your Range Rover."

Cheers,
Adam

Yeah, I think it sucks.  I would think some mods might help a bit, just that all the mods that I would do would make it end up looking more like a....    Monster.  So why not just buy a Monster?  I'm with Sac on this.  What is the point of this bike?

That thing looks stupid.

Stop light to Stop light in downtown LA

[laugh]

+1

Then I look forward to the Ducati Performance LED and black light kit.   8)


 [puke]


sac

Can you imagine the amount of wine consumed at the Ducati board meeting when this conversation took place:

Hey Giovanni, we need to start making in roads into the middle-aged American market and compete with HD and BMW. What do you think?

But Guiseppe, the economy in America is stagnant at best, unemployment is high and the average consumer has much less disposable income. Consumers are holding onto their money until their jobs are more secure and they have equity in their homes again.

Geez, you're right. The only way to make in roads into the American market is produce an over priced status symbol that is complete departure from everything we have stood for as a brand and as a company for the last several decades. The time ripe for us to make a poorly performing and stylistically confusing bike. It is only logical to rely solely on brand recognition and reputation when trying to court a new demographic that is unfamiliar with our product and history. By god at this rate we will be able to ramp up production of Indianas by 2014!

The rest of the board: BRILLIANT!!

sac

That accounts for hundreds of motorcyclists in the Raleigh/Durham metropolitan area, and thousands upon thousands nationwide.  It's not for me, but I can easily see how many people would like it.  Perhaps they'll sell a few or even a lot.

After all, Ducati is in the motorcycle sales business and they can't please everyone.

Well I think the point is they are TRYING to please everyone. Just not every bike has to please everyone.
BMW kinda of does it, they have bikes across the spectrum.
Ducati was sort of pigeon holed into sport/sporty bikes
This is one step towards a possible new kind of touring bike for ducati
Imagine a Ducat bagger ;) They could call it the Biaggi :D

True, but hopefully there will come a time when Ducati stops themselves from whoring out their brand. I like having a Duc, I like that it's Italian, that my very own bike was born in Italy, and that there aren't a million of them running around like so many other brand of bikes. I like that the brand represents more than just a common place bike. As I see it, the minute that Ducati starts trying to appease the crowds of cruiser riders, the whole shape of the brand will change.

For better or for worse, I think that Ducati should stick to being niche brand and not pollute the gene pool.

Ducati, unfortunately, is not an idealogical business, it's a business. It cuts costs to increase profits, it tries different markets to expand it's bottom line. In the end, IF they can make money at it, they'll do it. One of the biggest reasons Ducati has been so niche is production capability. I think they've moved to a new facility or are moving, either way, they don't plan on being the small volume manufacturer forever apparently.

so yes, I expect more models, and maybe even new markets for them. hell they have cafe's now. Think about that... that isn't a company set on being a sportbike manufacturer only. it's a money thing.

tripling sales isn't such a lofty goal, after all Vmax sales are like one thousand worldwide right?  [laugh]
I'm NOT liking this bike's appearance and I'm also a cruiser guy who doesn't stop for coffee but puts over 10,000 miles a year on just my cruiser and adding the Duc another 6,000 or so.  Just wish I had more time to ride.

Um, my VRSCR has been the best all-around bike that I've owned to date (the 'R being the redheaded stepchild of the V-Rod line, a redheaded stepchild itself)....

 :)

Not my thang!

I have really mixed feelings about this like most new Ducati's that are released.

It has potential though

Can those pipes, get a different headlight cowl or maybe no cowl at all and not sure what you can do about those airvents  :-X

I think this is a huge mistake.

+1 to everything sac said.

I want the front fender and wheels for my monster.


And thats all I have to say about that.

As a customizer:  It's a good new platform to mod and build around.   Result: [thumbsup]

As a drag-racing fan:  A 240 rr tire is a LOT of meat to launch that pregnant dog.  Result:  [thumbsup]

As someone who's pushed a V-Rod around a tight twisty road:  There's more to *today's* cruisers for handling then one might think.
Result:  [thumbsup]

Styling:   ???  Got to see it in person first.

Is it your typical Ducati (whatever the F that is):  [thumbsdown] 

And that's where I think it losses something w/the Ducati crowds.  It's not your usual Duc, although the Monster sure wasn't in 1993 either but look how that turned out....

i'm looking forward to getting a press-bike/demo-bike at the shop. I'm looking forward to seeing which of our crew gets a knee down on this beast at the motorsport ranch [thumbsup]

looks like a different kind of fun to me.

I actually... kinda... like it.  ???

+1 to everything Stew said. Reaction here seems terribly familiar to everything said about the new monster and the streetfighter. Now we all like them.

Speak for yourself man.

I still really dislike the new Monster.

 It's ok, jealousy is a normal reaction when someone has something better than you.  ;D

To be honest, if I could re-design the new monster I would give it a real tank, and old style headlight.

My tank panels fit well but if you press and try to it's easy to make them move/squeak. Sort of "cheap" feeling

New Monster?  Ah, not for me thanks.

one needs all that power to jump a shark

yup a cruiser. high weight, low seat height, not too maneuverable. what else would it be. diving to cafe/tavern and back is generally what cruiser owners do, they dont go tearin thru the back roads at twice the speed limit. ducati is entering the cruiser market and i guess this is the italian interpretation of it.

Jesus Christ, it's like a V-Rod hate-make the beast with two backsed a Streetfighter and this is the bastard child that resulted.

I'd like to see one up close.

I like to see Ducati branching out and trying new things.


I'd like to see a 250ish powered scooter [evil]

Maybe you've missed some of the new "cruiser" bikes out there but many of them are very maneuverable, more so than you might think.  No point in starting a debate over what's what because everyone here has a different interpretation but it's suffice to say that many of my riding buddies regularly log 20,000 miles a year and NOT commutting either.

I would like cleaner lines but I'll have to wait and see it in person but that exhaust is aweful, no way around that.

i shouldve said less maneuverable(compared to monsters).

i may have missed them.

what can I say but....

(http://delusionaltruth.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/hated-it.jpg)

 [laugh] love that show!

Yeah, really. I make the beast with two backsing hate it.

The SF might be bad ass, but I can't and will not ever get wrapped around a naked bike with all that plumbing hanging out.  :(

very little compares to the Monster.  I have both a cruiser for bar hopin (NOT) and a Monster each for a specific use. 

Yeah, Big Cruisers can't corner at all.  [laugh]


deals gap on a goldwing/gl1800 by yellow wolf dragons tail (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nrMQ3QwyPo#normal)

good for you. my next bike will be a cruiser.

Yellow Wolf is a legend...........he's got BALLS

You're right. In fact ducati should make a commercial that is just a solid minute of this video and clips of  the chp flipping their bmws through tight u turns and weaving through cones.

The tag line can  read:

If you can ride this well you should buy the new ducati cruiser.

Ducati is too cheap to make a commercial.

so you make the beast with two backsing hate the S4 and their ilk?

have you seen the xerox/ducati commercials?

You betcha.  ;)

I thought that was a Xerox commercial, not a Ducati commercial?

I was correct.  ;)


Xerox Ducati Commercial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxDllUcOSMo#normal)

This is pretty good too

Ducati case study by Xerox (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rkXCavx12k#normal)

ok I feel better about your hate now.

oh, you know what I just noticed about both those commercials is the bikes they use for the image of Ducati.
Bikes with fairings, not the Monster, not the Diavel, not the Hyper... the MTS and SBK
interesting.
So even  Ducati admits the faired bike is their public image.

Are these Xerox (Xerox not Ducati) commercials being shown in the US?

Oh but of course. The Monster is a Hooligan bike.  :D

I understand that a picture of  Nora(my GF) and I were highlighted at the dealer meeting with "Our customers are maturing" or something like that. Hmm, I thought I had already matured.  I'm looking at this bike and I do not see it meeting my needs, 2up It's usually the ST3, but occasionally on one of the Monsters, doesn't look like this new bike even pretends to be a 2up bike, on 1up back road trips it's one of the Monsters, Tail bag, Sargent, Marsee Tank Bag. I'm for sure looking at the new M1100S which has some nice features to replace the S2R1000 and keep the M900 for local trips. As far as crusiers go I have several and have not ridden a big tire bike yet that handles and yes both of my Vicory's do fine on a back country road. So I'm left wondering who will be attracted to this bike and it's got some styling stuff on it that has me scratching my head, those scoops and exhaust are awful. I'm also wandering with the sales success of the Streetfighter - not, and the Sprot Classics, now discontinued, what are they thinking with this model. An upgraded ST or a new supersport would have made more sense to me. Diavel, not for me. - Gene

It kinda looks like someone dressed up their VMax as a Monster for Halloween.

I've never seen a good looking or good sounding factory exhaust since I've gotten into motorcycling.

As far as maneuverability, we don't know how well it handles. or what it weighs, or what lean it can achieve, etc etc. Its not designed to handle like a superbike --> how silly would it be for a company to make all bikes ride the same?

This is a good move for Ducati because it can broaden the customer base, getting more potential customers through the door.

Me too. Never did, never will.  Now the Streetfighter, on the other hand, is a fine looking machine.

I'm not liking this new one much but I'll need to see it in person.  I thought the last Buells looked somewhat good in all the magazine pictures. Then I saw them in real life.  [puke]

i wasn't as much of a fan of the new monster, till i rode the new 1100. The thing is awesome. Needs a comfort seat and full systems. Would look into the desmoworld headlight spacers...but would likely spend my money on something like lightweight wheels, powdercoating parts, clutch bits

if someone put a gun to my head and told me to buy a cruiser, this would be it.  it would have to be a big gun, tho.

and then... and then... and then... thus is our disease

One question: why? [bang]

Here's a good mod idea, cut it in half with a blow torch! [laugh] If Ducati needs to "branch out" they should make a four wheeler... I need one for my farm. ;D

Yeah, but who wants to change timing belts and check valves on a mud-encrusted hulk twice a summer?

What an asinine question! Your advocating backwards thinking, stay in the box designs - the question should be WHY NOT? - The American market is large. The cruiser sales in America is proportionally very large. This will increase foot traffic in stores. This is an intelligent move. Its far better than continuing to put only high end superbikes and naked "urban-sport" air cooled motorcycles - these are great models, but as the saying goes: Putting all of ones eggs in a single basket is not what a swift egg-basket carrier would do.

I hope a true enduro / motard is being occasionally considered as well, to bring some more dirt-friendly riders into the equation.

And coming from you, who has proclaimed they will not buy a new motorcycle from the Ducati lineup, why even comment with such venom? Its easy to tear a house down, I dare you to try to build one.

 [popcorn]

also, ducati is making a hypermotard. fyi.

Asinine question? Jeez! [roll] Scuse me Mr. Ducati. :P Sorry I have opinion and no I don't build houses. As an employee of AMS do Jeff and Toni know you act like this on the internet? Peace out.

Don't make me pull this car over....

If you do can we get a milkshake?

 [laugh] It's OK if he doesn't like my opinion, he doesn't have to. [thumbsup] It's just my opinion like every other post on this thread. No different. I'm still waiting for the Duc four wheeler! ;D Uhhh, and I want a chocolate shake!

Ducati street quad 1000cc - Made by Eicker (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTTKHk_EE_E#normal)

NOO not again!

I'm not stopping at dairy Queen. :P

Sweet!!! Now were talking! [laugh]

From Duccutters website:


(http://www.duccutters.com/Unknown750Quad/Originals/750Quad-03.jpg)

(http://www.duccutters.com/Unknown750Quad/Originals/750Quad-04.jpg)

And here's a Monster:

(http://www.duccutters.com/UnknownFourWheeled/Originals/186_Duc-Quad-01.jpg)

Will it pull a trailer of hay? Hmmm, that or power cruiser? [laugh]

I think you might have spoken a bit soon about the handling.  I have an Indiana, and the steering is more like a sportbike than a cruiser.  It's surprisingly nimble.

I'll take that quad NOW! That exhaust looks right too  ;D

I can't decide whether those quads, or the 916 with a sidecar make me more disappointed in the human race. [laugh]

If funky designs in the moto industry are the only things that disappoint you in the human race, you're good to go.  :D

Some of the arguments on here are hilarious. I mean you are all trying to rationalise this bike and its design. How rational a decision is it to buy a Ducati (of any form) ... and you all have them already.

Ducati have made many bikes I don't like and many more I would never own ... its no big deal.

The 'new' Monster I didn't like in photos, didn't mind it when I saw one in person, liked it less when I rode one. But I am wedded to the 'old-style'. Streetfighter I didn't like in photos, saw it differently in the 'flesh', attraction appreciated exponentially when I rode one.

Although I should have read this thread before posting in the 'what should they have done' thread. I don't mind the look, in fact ... it looks more like a Monster than the (current) Monster to me. But you need to ignore all that bulk up top/front.

As for the ride experience who the hell knows. I can guarantee that if you can 'really' ride you would be able to outride me on that bike regardless of what I am on so it is kinda irrelevant. 'Most' people, despite what they say do not corner hard and ride hard between corners ... this will probably be perfect for 'most' people.

I like it more than I thought I would.

More straight, sensible talk from down under! [thumbsup] Hey, you need to tell me how your scooter trip went with the Kreiga luggage on the Monster. Cuious minds want to know! ;D

I'm thinking V-Max or B-King, not Harley.

did I mention the exhaust looks aweful?  [laugh]

I'll ride one to see for myself but I'm NOT selling my Harley or my S4R for it, I would however consider that for the new Multi.  ;)

My 1st impression was V-Max meets V-Rod !

Since it's a Ducati I have to give it the benefit of the doubt until I either see and ride it or get some 1st hand knowledge about it.

Dolph    (http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn198/DoubleEagle_photo/ride.gif)

i don't like the exhaust on the SF either - they look similar to me too - but some perf pipes on there and its going to get a lot better

come take another demo on the multi with E to see how 2up is

Yeah, I'm thinking some Termi pipes might help put some lipstick on that pig. No, seriously. There's no telling what someone could do with that blank canvas. It is what it is, like it or not. The trick is always to see what folks can turn it into! [evil] I don't like it but I'd love to see what people do with it! [thumbsup]

Could work on the Diavel ... I'll PM to avoid getting off track  ;)

I thought I already had :-[

I'm old and forgetful. Humor me. [laugh]

I aint sellin my harley but I will test ride it with her riding pregnant dog. 

not sayin' you should sell it, its designed for a different style ride

Except this one:




That's a fact.

 ;)

I like it.

I'm not sure what particular niche it would fill on my mile-long list of bikes I "need"... but I like it.

Will stick to my Harley for cruising.  The monster fits my niche just fine

I've read a lot about this bike, and I'm really excited about it.

Apparently the rear tire is 'extra rounded' so that it doesn't suffer from the typically poor performance of a fat-rear tire. Can't find the link for this little nugget.

The weight is reported to be around 440 lbs, dry - which is really not cruiser-like at all. Additionally rumored, it get's a 40 degree lean angle and 150 hp. Given the power/weight ratio and the lean angle; this is going to out-perform any cruiser you can find... so much so that I don't even consider it a cruiser. It's a power-standard :)

Personally, I like the looks. It's downright nasty ... in a good way.  Imagine clipons, rearsets, and shorty-termi shotgun style exhaust. Imagine the SOUND that shorty-termi shotgun style exhaust would put out of that engine.

if indeed they have made a special tire for this bike, can you imagine the price on that thing!

Yeah, like trying to find a wide, inexpensive selection of 200/55x16s for your Desmosedici. [laugh]

Extra rounded?  Is that like "kinda pregnant"?

I like it. I mean, I think it's great, but I wouldn't buy one.
It will sure shake up the power cruiser market.
I will stick with my old Monster.

Me no- likey  [thumbsdown]

What does Diavel mean anyway?

It's Italian for "Dave", as the bike was named after me.


This was no doubt chosen due to my epic power, lack of height, stopping power, or because some numbnuts wrecked one ten minutes into a ride.

 :D

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=What+does+%22diavel%22+mean (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=What+does+%22diavel%22+mean)
 :-*

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Its bolognese dialect for devil, you would easier recognize the spelluation:
   1. Diavolo
   2. demone
   3. Demonio

 [roll] If you need to be taught how to use google...

4th link down has a definition.

 [roll]  I realize that.  I also already knew the translation


I thought it was cool that our very own Mr. Incredible was the first hit.

I see it more as a VMax competitor than a Harley fight as well.

As for weight, I have heard it's actually really light. Like 430 lbs wet light with 165 HP.

It's Italian for "bird" or "eagle," I'm not sure which.

So, depending on which way the letters face?

Maybe it's Italian for DeWalt and it's actually some sort of power tool. Like a sewer drain auger? [laugh]

Diavel - headache tablet for power cruiser riders

http://www.ducatinewstoday.com/2010/10/ducati-diavel-prototype-fully-revealed/ (http://www.ducatinewstoday.com/2010/10/ducati-diavel-prototype-fully-revealed/)

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r166/jmoth79/Ducati_Diavel_Prototype_2_branded.jpg)

That one above is not in stock trim. That was one of the bikes that was sent out to shops to do custom versions for the launch. The one above is Roland Sands one.

So did Ducati send you a royalty check?  

They do say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery...

I don't mind the undercover version in flat black
(http://www.dancewithshadows.com/motor/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/ducati-diavel-photo-3.jpg)

scallops on swingarm are cool.

should be obvious it isn't an actual ducati job as that's certainly not what the 'crates' look like.

very nice. i like it even more.  [thumbsup]

unfortunately, this picture shows nothing more than Ducati is following the V-Rod trend.

V-Rod
V-Max
Diavel

I'm sure there are others in this category...

Not my style, but I'm sure they'll sell to a degree.
Maybe enough to give Ducati the cash to bring back the SS and/or ST

  Frame looks different than from the previous spy pic, maybe this is a one off custom, not the new Ducati.

I've been trying to figure out what would make it better, for me.

Pull off the plastic bodywork bits from the front, and reshape the tank to look decent without them (as it currently flows into the radiator guard).

Single round headlight up front. Maybe pull a few degrees of rake off the forks...

And get rid of the comically oversized handlebar.

Then it'd look like... well, I guess it'd look a bit like a Monster, really...

Yeah, it looks like an entirely different bike.

Or maybe Ducati have taken the BMW asymmetric thing to The Next Level!

BAM! ;D

I read somewhere RSD helped design the Diavel and there was a prototype floating around. Maybe what I read was true and may be it wasn't, this looks like it could be that prototype.

strip the fairing crap off the front and redesign the headlight.  I agree with the above, too much V-Rod.  Also, the Vmax is putting out 176 bhp & 114 ft/lbs at the rear wheel according to Ultimate Motorcycling and for me the V-Max still looks better.  This one is too futuristic for me.....at least for now.

In the future, it will be less futuristic.

[clap] [clap] [clap]

I think that prototype bike looks great but it has definitely been reworked by RSD, you can tell by the machining on the parts like the frame slider and wheels for example. It also needs drag bars. It shows potential.

Is it using the 1198 engine?

Your Questions are Answered:

http://www.ducati.com/news/the_name_is_diavel__/2010/10/12/1827/index.do (http://www.ducati.com/news/the_name_is_diavel__/2010/10/12/1827/index.do)

(http://www.ducati.com/cms-web/fs/7cd/ef0/071/408/128/ec7/c6b/631/b7b/690/bc/Ducati_Diavel_News_%5B554x370%5D_554x370.jpg)

I'm going to hold my final judgment until I see one in person (hopefully in red), but that thing would be way cooler with an undertail exhaust....

I'd like a 2-1 that wasn't angled upwards quite as much.

or something like the boomtubes/roadracing/exbox "side-shooter" exhaust. I always thought those were neat

That is actually looking mighty sexy.  Much more compact than these other one-offs.  Interested to see how they handle the radiator cowls (if there is one) and the front headlight. 

207 kgs. Abs, traction control and adjustable riding modes. This things going to be expensive. Oh! Its got the testastretta engine as well.

bet it's the 11 deg motor if it's using the variable riding mode option

It's got the Testastretta 11° engine No need to bet/beg. It says it one the site) - which is the same as in the new Multi. If it's set up the same way, it won't have as much power as the 1198.. you'll just have to cry over having 150 bhp as opposed to the 170 the 1198 is rated to.

With the traction control, ABS and engine modes - seems like they are using a lot of the same tech seen in the multi 1200. From that link, you might see different versions like the multi. Ie the pricey and really pricey models.

A 450(+) pound 150 bph cruiser... the numbers are good. But it's gotta deal with the looks factor. The look might be more polarizing than the big 'zuki Boulevards with that cowl thing around the headlight.

I've been mixed on the look in all the spy photos... but you can't ever really tell until you see it in person. So... we'll see.

But, not on my shopping list... Daddy wants an MTS1200

gotta agree.
after seeing the MTS 1200 up close in Koln this weekend...WANT

and don't want a powercruiser

If you click the link, you'll see (as mentioned above) that the Diavel will be powered by the 11-degree Testastretta.

That means, 150 hp, and lower cost of ownership thanks to long valve service intervals. 15,000mi between services.

Maybe I'm just aging and getting tired, but I just can't get my rage on about it.  I don't *particularly* like it's looks, but don't really care that much.  (I was much more up in arms when the new monster generation came out).  And, as with all stock motorcycles, if you add some mods you could make it look pretty pregnant dogin'.  It won't ever be a sportbike or even a naked like the monster, but it could be cool.

And looks aside, cuz it's a motorcycle (and a Ducati), I'd ride the fack out of it if I could.  It'd be fun.   [thumbsup]

it looks like the Suzuki m109 and the M90.  Now I know why I don't like it.  [cheeky]
http://www.suzukicycles.com/Product%20Lines/Cycles/Products/Boulevard%20M109R/2009/M109R.aspx (http://www.suzukicycles.com/Product%20Lines/Cycles/Products/Boulevard%20M109R/2009/M109R.aspx)

There is a silver M109R at the Dallas shop now. Come see if you think they'll be remotely alike. :)

From the Ducati Facebook page:

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs783.snc4/66329_1551496430566_1329797105_31698727_8385469_n.jpg)

they are to me.

the naysayers like me just stopped beating the dead horse.  now all we hear are the ones who like it or warmed up to it... the rest of us bite our tongues.

I think the Diavel will sell. I can't count how many times an old timer just had to chat me up and ask about the monster's grin factor... then sheepishly recede to the compromise they found; fjr, streetglide, roadglide, goldwing etc... but they loved the Monster and now they can buy one that meets their current standards.

I also think it's calculated-- but perhaps the monster was just as calculated back in "93 and I was too dumb to recognize it.  As they say a fool and his money are soon departing at 11tyb/s²

Interesting.....don't know what I think just yet...I'm digging the tail lights though.

I may hold final judgement until I get to see it in person. I reserve the right to retract negative comments I made about it if (IF) it's much better in person that we've seen in pics so far.
However, that being said, I bet the boys over at OCC are going to LOVE this!!!  [cheeky]

 I bet the boys over at OCC are going to LOVE this!!!  [cheeky]
[/quote]

i bet they would. i passed by occ when i went to niagara 2 weeks ago. Was hoping to check out the desmosedicci that i saw there a year ago but looks like they dont sell ducs anymore. Not a single ducati in sight.  I was so disappointed.

didn't they have their license pulled? 

it's on my short list of bikes when i'm ready for a new one.  Altho, i will likely wait for a 2nd year model to come up used before buying new.

I wonder why? I recently re-viewed that episode where they "custom built" that new monster that looked like crap.

Though, it never did make much sense to me why hardcore chopper builders would open a Ducati dealership.? An 1198 doesn't exactly scream chopper enthusiast.

The Diavel or the newer Monster or both??

This Diavel thing I couldnt care less about.  Its just another Ducati variant I personally wouldnt buy, but if others do/will then they're not wrong.  And neither am I  ;D.

I had been contemplating between a Streetfighter or a NightRod for my second bike but I think I really like the Diavel and it has jumped to the top of the list.

This bike looks kickass. The concept rocks. I can't wait to ride it.  [evil]

So service intervals are now 15K??

Hmm.....

On anything with that Testies 11*, mr. SpeedBag

I have always wanted a Harley Night-Rod...I was really anticipating a Monster 796 to replace (or be added to) my S2R...until I saw the prototype of this bike.  I am really anxious to test ride the Diavel.  I need to start saving my pennies.  My real hope is that this bike will have a nice comfy passenger seat, that way this will become my 2-up bike and I'll keep the Monster for 1-up. 

when you test it, per normal ducati fashion, I would suggest your comfort test focus on positioning and ergonomics rather than plushness of seat: the really comfortable seat is typically in the DP catalog. The comfort seat for the MTS1200 is incredible.

and that gel filled DP seat will roast your nuts if it sits in the sun. 

i have the 696 gel seat.. 100 deg weather.. not roasting

....which you really don't have to worry about do you there Muskrat.....

(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRLmW4IrDrOGlXJTTeqxiTfT7LE95gkiHX1HofceviZHmbWnvM&t=1&usg=__RXqGcqvcvR5-bqd69A2NX_zgyXU=)

[cheeky]

It would seem I haven't kept up on service intervals since departing with my M900....

you can't see them because I'm riding so fast they are behind me creating drag....tickles a little  ;D

Significant improvements. From 4,000 then to the well known 6,000, now 7,500 on all models except those with the 11-degree Testastretta

marketing cool aid... [evil] [laugh]

Italian styling is spectacular.

unfortunately in this instance, a spectacular failure.

my first thought on seeing it, "Looks like a Buell."

2nd thought, "Where's the rest of the make the beast with two backsing trellis?"

3rd, "IT LOOKS LIKE A make the beast with two backsING BUELL!!!"

pass.

and I still don't like the new monsters. They depart from a lot of the signature styling that attracted me to Ducati in the first place. The "improvements" are anything but.

I guess when in a difficult sales environment you do whatever you have to, to move units, but that makes it no less despicable.

Resisting progress has, for some reason, become the thing to do these days. If the blokes at Ducati only produced what had been produced before and accepted there would be no monster, no SF, no superbikes. Ducati, if they even survived, would be some small mc company in Italy no one had heard of making cafe racers. Better yet The Ducati family would be making condensers and vaccum tubes still. We would all be riding triumphs, or worse, jap bikes.

So don't be so sour. Change means progress and progress is good.

Not to pass judgment on the Diavel, but calling it "progress" ...  [roll] ... There's nothing at all new, progressive, or technologically elite about the concept except the power and the brand cachet.  Not to say it's not going to be good, but let's not act like they're inventing a new market segment here.

Cheers,
Adam

Que? What Buell?

I am going to hold judgment in till i see it in person and swing a leg over it  [moto]

I am fairly confident once its released and people start modding it many of us will have different opinions of this Darley... Harley plus Ducati... get it... never mind  ;D

+1  What in any of these pictures reminds you of a Buell?

(http://static.blogo.it/motoblog/colori-diavel-2011/diavel_spy_set3_01.jpg)
(http://www.autocarindia.com/files/images/DucatiMegaMonster.jpg)
(http://www.autocarindia.com/files/images/DucatiMegaMonsterRear.jpg)
(http://img48.xooimage.com/files/8/9/9/ducati-mmonster-1e29993.jpg)

I see a lot of new V-Max, a little V-Rod, a hint of B-King, all crossed with Streetfighter.

But no Buell.

I agree with you on the V-Max, V-Rod, and Streetfighter.  Don't really see the B-King in there myself and not the Buell either.

Considering this combines the look/feel of two of the bikes I already was looking at I definitely can't wait to get a test ride.

for you nancies that want to know where the rest of the trellis is, you might want to look in the superquadrata rumor thread, the journalists pictures of that bike show... Zero Trellis.

Progress: It requires changes to things that are no longer cutting edge.

I think soon no more trellis on all the Ducati

Too many other bikes have them. it's not so unique anymore.

I'm telling you guys it looks like the M-90 Suzuki.  I could grow to like it if they got rid of that futuristic light bucket sweeping back to the bars, the air intakes (copies of the Vmax) and the radiator covers going to the frame.  They should just make a radiator that fits the frame like others do.  That's my list of this needs to happen. 
(http://z.about.com/d/motorcycles/1/0/O/X/-/-/Suzuki_M90_red_static.jpg)

oops, forgot that bottom cowl.  if they removed that it would look less like the Vrod because it looks to have a similar rake.  I'm all for progress but other than the Motard & new Multi it doesn't seem Ducati is producing anymore "sexy"....not to me at least....your mileage will differ.

I can't wait to find out how well the thing will sell.

I figure it will either bomb completely, or sell like hotcakes.

But knowing my history, now that I've said that, it'll probably do neither.

Sweet. Now we can blame everything that happens to it on Norris! [laugh] [moto]

I'll wait until I see it in person but I like some of the angles on it. We'll see...

[laugh]

Happy to do my part!

Completely despicable. If they can't continue to make things I, then they should go out of business. I mean, the nerve!

The next model will be the "Dave".

You'll be happy.

It still won't make the 696/1100 look better.  :D

We heard you already mate  :D. I think we're all completely clear on your 696/1100 opinions by now Daryl  :D 

 :D

overuse of the excited smiley!  :D

:D

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 [roll]  Fanboi.  You're no better than the guy to whom you were responding.

First let me say that change does not mean progress.  It may be progress, but don't forget that a rotting corpse is changing too, but it's not really progress.

Second, I expect to get grief from some around here for liking Harley Davidsons, but "jap bikes" too?

I really would like a Goldwing, and a CBR, and a CBX, and a Le Mans 750, and one of those 3 cylinder 2 stroke Kawi street bikes, and...well, you get the idea.

I like jap bikes (mostly Hondas; mostly vintage).

You misunderstand. I never said I hated japanese bikes but if that was all I had to choose from....

can we bring this back to the Ducati Diavel...

yes.  now how come they couldn't have come up with a macho sounding name? in English it sounds weak  [thumbsdown]

How about the Ducati Destroyer?

sinister would translate in Italian to sinistro.  I'll take that.

I heard that the production versions are going to have a belt final drive.






;)

well my family's from Italy/Sicily and I've never heard that word used that way.  Either way I still like it but destra is growing on me too. 

Diestra - Right

Siniestra - Left

You should know this dude, I thought you went to catholic school in Vzla.

Siniestra always meant left and only became the common sinister  because left handed people were considered wicked.  :)

sinistro is what I said, not siniestra which I know means left.  Yes, I wen to El Champagnat. :D

http://dictionary.reverso.net/italian-english/sinistro (http://dictionary.reverso.net/italian-english/sinistro)

sinistro and sinistra, both have same meaning, just different uses and gender.

likewise, destro and destra.

Either word sounds decent enough, but the translated names aren't exactly identical to the meaning you want to convey 100%.

my family is from sicily/italy as well....and Sicilian is not always the same language....Also, words tend to have many meanings, in almost any language, however sometimes we forget some of the meanings.

If you've never heard sinistro used as left, how do you say left?

dx and sx on the ducati parts boxes

You know what, doesn't matter the name sucks and that's my point.

And although I'm using an Italian/Latin word I was thinking of it in Spanish which is my primary language.  in conclusion the literal translation is often used incorrectly and application for many reasons.

1. threatening or portending evil, harm, or trouble; ominous: a sinister remark.

2. bad, evil, base, or wicked; fell: his sinister purposes.

3. unfortunate; disastrous; unfavorable: a sinister accident.

4. of or on the left side; left.

wow... this thread.... it just gets... more and more.... um... fascinating  [thumbsup].

I cant wait to see what other exciting naming suggestions come up next...

 [popcorn]

wonder if there is a base and an S model, or simply a single model.

You know what's funny? The Spanish word "esposas" translates to "wifes" and "handcuffs". Go figure.

That is not a coincidence.

How about the Ducati Satan?   [evil]

Or the Ducati Serial Killer?

Or the Ducati Spinal Tap?

Seriuosly tho, Diavel is stupid for a name, but I like the bike. 

the self importance? self righteousness? in this thread is astounding.

I am pretty awesome.

:D :D

 :D

 :D

Don't know if anyone else knew this but  the bike pictured in the crate is a Roland Sands custom NOT a production model or prototype by Ducati.

(http://www.ducatinewstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Ducati_Diavel_Prototype_2_branded-thumb1.jpg)


http://www.ducatinewstoday.com/2010/10/more-roland-sands-ducati-diavel-photos/#more-8212 (http://www.ducatinewstoday.com/2010/10/more-roland-sands-ducati-diavel-photos/#more-8212)

Didn't you hear? the world revolves around our personal desires, and make the beast with two backs anyone who says differently.  ;)

page 10/11 for larger versions of that...  Apparently there's going to be a few others by other designers/bike shops popping up as part of the model introductions promo.

Appropriate names would be Ducati Vulcan or Ducati Boulevard.

[thumbsup]

Ducati Fa'culo

Ducati WTF1200

 ;D

Introducing the new Ducati Pene Più Grande

If I don't like the bike they shouldn't make it!!!

Fa'culo is great

Its a Vrod!
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/__cS8IGDh_Nw/TC4mZ8-sN0I/AAAAAAAAAuU/79t6fJTQBps/s800/xl%2B2007_Harley-Davidson_VRSCDX_Night_Rod_Special_right_front.jpg)
Hate it!

some new pics and boy does it look ugly heavy:
(http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/autopia/2010/10/Ducati-Diavel-01_sized.jpg)

(http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/autopia/2010/10/Ducati-Diavel-02_sized.jpg)

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2010/11/ducati-builds-a-devil-of-a-v-max/ (http://www.wired.com/autopia/2010/11/ducati-builds-a-devil-of-a-v-max/)

HEAVY FAIL. [bang]

http://www.ducatinewstoday.com/2010/11/first-ducati-diavel-photos-from-milan/#more-8308 (http://www.ducatinewstoday.com/2010/11/first-ducati-diavel-photos-from-milan/#more-8308)
or here
http://www.italiabikecenter.com/?page_id=44&album=2&gallery=7 (http://www.italiabikecenter.com/?page_id=44&album=2&gallery=7)

So that Autopia link (above) has a link to a specs PDF
http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/autopia/2010/11/MY11_Diavel_Tech_Spec_EN_IT_v05.pdf (http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/autopia/2010/11/MY11_Diavel_Tech_Spec_EN_IT_v05.pdf)

There's two versions listed. Regular and Carbon. The only differences I can spot in a quick skim are different wheels, 14 spoke for regualr and 9 for the Carbon and the the difference in the claimed dry weights at 463 and 456 pounds respectively.

Looks like both are getting all the electro whiz-bangery:
"Tank mounted instrumentation with TFT colour display:
Gear selected, air temp, battery voltage, trips 1 & 2, fuel
reserve trip, average and actual fuel consumption and speed,
trip time, scheduled maintenance. Full status and/or
management of Riding Modes, DTC, RbW and ABS."

Another thing to note is that they are listed as two seaters... must be able to pull off the rear cowl, and I remember seeing some spy shots that appeared to have fold out passenger pegs. *Edit - they pegs are pretty easy to see if you look at the photos from Milan

hmmmm 

based on the seat/handlebar position, looks like they jazzed up the ST quite a bit
(http://cdn-5.psndealer.com/e2/dealersite/images/NewVehicles/2004_9_st4s.jpg)

needs a dry clutch conversion kit in the parts catalog so we can one-up the cruiser dudes with more shiny spinning parts.


doesn't look "heavy" to me for what it is - looks like a mid-400 to 500 lb ride. i feel like you guys forget that the 748 series weighed a TON in biposto trim. the ST series weighed a sh!t-ton (metric unit).

It's a cruiser, an ugly one at that IMO but 500lbs is more than reasonable in weight.  He'll I'd hate to tell all of you what my Harley weighs.  ;)

960+, yes?

The 'light weight' XR1200 tics in at 573 in running order, an Electa is 940+ and a night rod is 676 in running order...

That thing is seriously ugly. The front end intakes and radiator cover literally look like they were just bolted on after thoughts. There is no flow to that bike whatsoever. The "trellis" frame is a joke...nothing is symmetric or even. The angle of the tail doesn't seem to flow with the rest of the bike. The cowl around the headlight is just lame looking.

Cruiser or not, I'd admit it if it was a good looking bike. It is not. The RSD version was very cool looking, but geez it had a lot of mods looking at this!

Here's another view. It defintely looks better in black above.

...and people thought Terblanche's designs were ugly.  [roll]

(http://www.italiabikecenter.com/wp-content/gallery/milano-2010/dsc04280.jpg)

I have to say it is quite ugly. I think the next bike will be an 1100 if it comes with ABS and new engine.

There are a few things on this bike I do like;  The rake of the front, and the tail.  If I were to buy it, I would definitely have to have a plan to mod away the air scoops and the mufflers.  Maybe see some straight pipes off the back and the tank panels from the newer monsters.  If it has a squishy suspension it would be perfect for my slab commute.   [laugh]

Pipes would be the first thing to go

pipes, air scoop and headlight (whatever the hell that is) plastic piece all GONE GONE GONE..... [puke]

I still like it.  In the black, just not in the red.  Those silver scoops and headlight look out of place.  Maybe if they were black or maybe red, even though I think that may be too much red.  Can't wait to see how people mod it once they get their hands on it.

It's got potential. Similar to the monsters it needs a shit-ton (metric unit  ;D) of modifications to make it look cool.

ok Honest Opinion here.

it has potential... as a tourer... hear me out.

The rear end is wrong for this, but everything is right.
if they extend the rear subframe more and add mounting points for hardbags and a tail bag, with the passenger seating position this could be a good replacement for the ST.
It has a comfortable looking seating position and the power for 2-up with luggage riding.
the exhausts are low to keep heat away from passegers
I think they've already thought of this after viewing the touring windscreen they have available
I also think the rear t-bar for the passenger is cool, but should come higher to act as a backstop for the seat.
My wife hates the feeling there is nothing behind her after the seat.

I do hate the wierd cover from the light, but adding the touring screen made it flow better.

and for color choice.... White looks pretty good.

now... go ahead and flame me for not hating on it.

Check out the configurator section for the diavel on the ducati website. They already have  replacement pipes for it and i have to say it looks much better than the stock

wow, nope - especially in that red/silver.

just watched the official video... couple of things struck me...
1- Ducati Marketing totally BOTCHED the music selection..
2- Not ONE natural sound of the bike in the video...
3- Was it me, or was he steering INTO the corners not countersteering?
4- If attitude is what this bike is about... this video SUCKED

NO WAY is that commercial going to draw in American powerbike buyers

Reading this thread makes me want to get one of these and slap old school Ducati Indiana badges on it just to be an ass.  [laugh]

+1

Huge difference for the better.

from the video and photos, looks like you need all your body weight and then some to make that turd turn.  The handlebars also didn't look comfortable to the rider either.  

There is one thing I REALLY like on it..... the license plate holder.

Much better with the windscreen and exhaust. I hope that they offer similar exhaust for the 1100.

Photos from the configurator:

CF exhaust :
(http://i1023.photobucket.com/albums/af353/WinSomeLoseNone/Random/Screenshot2010-11-01at63414PM.png)

Touring screen:
(http://i1023.photobucket.com/albums/af353/WinSomeLoseNone/Random/Screenshot2010-11-01at63549PM.png)

Roadster screen:
(http://i1023.photobucket.com/albums/af353/WinSomeLoseNone/Random/Screenshot2010-11-01at63403PM.png)

i do not like the white/red. the black is (so far) the way to go

perfect analysis IMO   [thumbsup]


mitt

The windscreen makes it worse, looks like it belongs in the Tron sequel

I agree with you.  Watching the video I couldn't help but think of it like a bmw k1200s for size and length and luggage options.



mitt

don't you bash Tron

Two ways to build the Diavel:  stripped down muscle cruiser or high speed tourer.  Both could be cool if done right.

As for exhausts?  As asked before -- I can confirm 100% as of Saturday that our Duc.EE works on the Diavel. (and tested on the MS1200 as well a few weeks ago)  Exhausts options are now wide open and one can easily get rid of the dang servo motor and butterfly valve mechanism without any dash lights or EXVL messages appearing.

Meet the new vacuum molded plastic fantastic Diavel!

Seriously, is there any part of that bike that looks like it is made of metal? I'll give you the headers and the wheels.  Everything else just looks like it has a nasty plastic cover on top of it.  Maybe that is the joke?  Maybe they will just unbolt all that crap and show us something that looks decent underneath?   [thumbsdown]















Doubt it.

[beer]
Now has anyone confirmed the $24k price without ohlins? :P

19k i thought i read for the carbon (plus) model?

That's a ridiculous price.  [thumbsdown]

From asphaltandrubber.com:

"DNT also tells us that the Ducati Diavel will start with an MSRP base price of $16,995, while the up-market carbon version will hit the wallet with an MSRP of $19,995."

these be bikes from a luxury brand

So is BMW and they spank the 1198 on price.  I love my Duc but the prices are getting to be ridiculous of late - luxury or not

i do believe the bmw is a loss-leader for their brand as their first entry into SBKs. When comparing prices, you must also compare features. For example, the brakes on the BMW came on Ducs as early as 2004, and now those brakes have trickled down all the way to the Ducati entry level motorcycles, like the 696, while the 1098 and then 1198 (and now 848e) have the higher spec monoblocs.  Then you look at things like the DDA, and disparity in weight (404 to 377/373['S']/364['R']), you see what makes up the price difference (14.8k v. 16.5k)

But price for standard 1198 is just 3k above the msrp of the R1/GSXR1000 (13.6-13.8 )

The BMW HP2 Sport's MSRP is 25.5k...

+1!

That bike will never see my garage, but the engine is totally bad-ass. If it were only possible to squeeze it into my s2r frame. Did they just whip this thing up over night? Did Ducati do any surveys? Clearly we all want more power, that's what make us dream of owning a Ferrari. Fast and sexy. not fast and fatty. And the whole price tag thing- If I'm gonna pay that, it better get me laid by someone other than a washed up biker hag.

Ducati must be targeting the guys who shell out 20k+ for a big ass harley.

I ride with a lot of harley guys and they all, ok most, hate the Vrod.  This bike is not going to attrack the Harley guys.

Considering the #1 best selling selling harley for all eternity is a sportster which runs ~8k NEW you are probably right.


* I wonder is the Diavel will be popular in europe. The guy my father bought his S2r1k form was fresh off the boat from Italy (a few years in US) and said that in Italy everyone rode HD, they were more popular than sportbikes by a long shot

http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=43223.msg790445#msg790445 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=43223.msg790445#msg790445)

Kinda the opposite they did with the 696.  :D

Idk who Ducati was targeting with the 696 and now 796...

kids Young adults? Older Adults... regardless it's cheap and me likey.

Ding...Ding...Ding, targeting another market.

So you're saying the Diavel is targeting ....... fat slow people with lots of money? Should sell GREAT here in the US ;D

I do want to test ride one.... if they let me due to the value.

I was denied a test ride on an 1198s because apparently the salesperson KNEW I couldn't afford it haha.

Not fat or slow, just another market. Bigger market, more sales. Hell, maybe they will even do a TV commercial.  ;)

Yea, I figure if this bike is somewhat of a success the increased market share and revenue resulting in the subsequent years will give Ducati more cash to dream up some crazy shit for us to ride.

The similar BMW is in the same price range.

+1