hello.
its time for the valve adjustment on my monster. decided to do it myself since the dealer is asking for a lot of money.
yesterday i removed the tank, battery ect and got to the valves. removed the valve covers. im planning on checking the clearance when my feeler gages arrive, replace the belts , spark plugs+ wires, battery , brakes , ect.
my biggest problem is : somebody was working on the bike before i bought it and i guess they had to open the head.. when that person put it back , he didnt put the gasket the right way .. from what i see now it looks like the gasket shifted its possition towards the left when they were putting the screws so they close the head. offcourse it leaks oil from the head. so i figured since i opened up everything might as well replace the gasket so everything is nice and neat.
im scared to start removing the head bcoz i dont really know what i have to do ... or if im going to mess up the timing or the valve possition or smth that might cause problems later on.
please if somebody knows the procedure let me know .. it would be really great. as many details as you can . thank you ! [thumbsup]
Year & model?
2002 monster 750 dark.
Where is this gasket that looks out of position.
There is no head 'gasket', and the base gasket is located by the cylinder studs.
Can you provide photographic proof of your suspicion that someone had removed a cylinder head and reinstalled it incorrectly?
For you, I'm thinking the dealer would be money well spent. You know how the old saying goes, 'if it ain't broke, don't break it'. You need to be certain that you know exactly what you are doing, and it doesn't seem to me that you do. Just sayin'. And what's the poll for? Don't quite understand what you are asking with it. ???
I'm confused, it (almost) sounds like he could be talking about the valve cover and its gasket.
QuoteI'm confused, it (almost) sounds like he could be talking about the valve cover and its gasket.
Rereading first post, +1,
and I don`t get the poll either.
Pics of your problem would help.
Quote from: battlecry on November 25, 2010, 10:21:30 AM
I'm confused, it (almost) sounds like he could be talking about the valve cover and its gasket.
yeah, same 'ere. gotta be the cover, not the whole head
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs980.snc4/75373_10150332415870113_579190112_16118239_1409790_n.jpg (http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs980.snc4/75373_10150332415870113_579190112_16118239_1409790_n.jpg)
thats the gasket im talking abt.
i dont think if i take a pic would help , bcoz you are not going to be able to see how it shifted. you have to see it physically.
what i want to know is: if i remove those 4 nuts that hold the head in place, and pull out the head remove the old gasket , put a new one in; is it going to be hard to put the head back on???
is that going to mess up anything? is there anything i need to know? any tips? it could be anything.. i need all the infos i can get from you guys so i dont mess up my engine.
and no i cant bring it to the dealer. those guys here are straight up rip offs . they would charge me 700 us dollars just to inspect the valves!!! and it took me 2 hours to get to the valves!!
please if you know something let me know. i have all the time in the world to work on the bike! [thumbsup]
idk why the poll is there. how do i get rid of it???
That's the base gasket, it's underneath the cylinder.
Yes! thats what kinda shifted! and it leaks oil from the space btw.
to get to that gasket im gona have to remove the head. if i remove the head, when i put it back on after i replaced the gasket, am i going to have any problems?
do u know any website where i can get the that gasket? i tried the Ducati OEM , but cant find it. the cacycleworks doesnt have it . ???
I just reread your whole thread. I don't see how the base gasket can move since it is held in place by the cylinder studs. I suspect what you are seeing is gasket sealer at the joint. The gasket itself is steel. Cylinder base gasket leaks were common in '01 but rare in '02 The leak could be from above, as others suggested or the oil breather, a common source of leakage. Clean the area real well, ride, inspect. Spraying the suspect area with aerosol foot powder will help lead you to the origin of the leak.
Assuming your bike is operating I would suggest you to out and see Steve at ECS. http://www.europeancycleservices.com (http://www.europeancycleservices.com)
They will charge less and run a fantastic shop. I would trust my first born with those guys. Do not take offense, but, from your posts, I think you should start with some more simple tasks on the bike.
Quote from: svp88 on November 25, 2010, 09:09:54 PM
Yes! thats what kinda shifted! and it leaks oil from the space btw.
to get to that gasket im gona have to remove the head. if i remove the head, when i put it back on after i replaced the gasket, am i going to have any problems?
do u know any website where i can get the that gasket? i tried the Ducati OEM , but cant find it. the cacycleworks doesnt have it . ???
It comes in a kit, I don't know if you can buy them separately. I know Athena stocks them in a kit, the kits run about $50 for the top-end gaskets.
Quote from: howie on November 26, 2010, 04:09:39 AM
I just reread your whole thread. I don't see how the base gasket can move since it is held in place by the cylinder studs. I suspect what you are seeing is gasket sealer at the joint. The gasket itself is steel. Cylinder base gasket leaks were common in '01 but rare in '02 The leak could be from above, as others suggested or the oil breather, a common source of leakage. Clean the area real well, ride, inspect. Spraying the suspect area with aerosol foot powder will help lead you to the origin of the leak.
Assuming your bike is operating I would suggest you to out and see Steve at ECS. http://www.europeancycleservices.com (http://www.europeancycleservices.com)
They will charge less and run a fantastic shop. I would trust my first born with those guys. Do not take offense, but, from your posts, I think you should start with some more simple tasks on the bike.
i remove the tank , battery , bracket for battery, opened up the valve covers. nothing leaks from the top.
yeah i know the gasket is steal... i can touch it with a screwdriver and bend it up and down.. i was surprised when i saw it too... i dont know how it shifted like that.
ive cleaned the area back in july and rode it .. it leaks from the head 100%. i appreciate everything you said. but what i really wanted to know is:1) if i remove those 4 nuts that hold the head
and slide it out .. am i going to be able to put it back in with no problems? 2) is there a website out there i can buy the gasket from?
Short answer to (1) svp88 is, with difficulty. If you pull the cylinder out the piston rings will spring out. Not a walk in the park.
Quote from: battlecry on November 26, 2010, 09:31:39 AM
Short answer to (1) svp88 is, with difficulty. If you pull the cylinder out the piston rings will spring out. Not a walk in the park.
how will the piston rings spring out??? arent they hard to put on the piston??? if they are already in if you dont pull them out why would they come out?
havent done it b4.. but it doesnt make sense theoretically ???
don't do it
if you do, please post the ebay auctions when you part the bike.
thx
Quote from: svp88 on November 26, 2010, 11:26:30 AM
how will the piston rings spring out??? arent they hard to put on the piston??? if they are already in if you dont pull them out why would they come out?
havent done it b4.. but it doesnt make sense theoretically ???
The rings are held against the cylinder walls by spring pressure. When you remove the cylinder the rings will not fit back into the cylinder without the use of a ring compressor. If you break a ring you will find they are very expensive. You will also need a torque wrench for reassembly as well as a tool to allow access to the head bolts with the engine in the frame. This tool can be bought or made by you. From your posts it also seems you do not have a manual or enough experience to tackle this job. Please do not become a source of inexpensive parts for ducatiz.
Quote from: howie on November 26, 2010, 01:41:50 PM
The rings are held against the cylinder walls by spring pressure. When you remove the cylinder the rings will not fit back into the cylinder without the use of a ring compressor. If you break a ring you will find they are very expensive. You will also need a torque wrench for reassembly as well as a tool to allow access to the head bolts with the engine in the frame. This tool can be bought or made by you. From your posts it also seems you do not have a manual or enough experience to tackle this job. Please do not become a source of inexpensive parts for ducatiz.
yes u r right. i have no experience whatsoever. yesterday i finished the my 1st valve adjustment.
im gonna get this done. and its going to be successful. i will let you know once im done. thank you for your advice! [moto]
Do surprice us & do get back w your results!
What are your wrenching experience before this?
If you do this, take pictures as you go, it'll help later.
Leacking the oil from base gaket it is ordynary trouble an ducati's on small carter(400-800 air cooled engines)
the steel gasket mount with the liquid silicone gasket maker. Sometimes a workers to get it not enoug or not accuratley,and the oil start the leaking after few hours motor running on hi rev.
You need the remove the combo cilinder head/cilinder,remove the gasket (no damage it!) and cleaning the surfaces then with the gas or some one else like a carbvleaner liquid. After that you have refinish the surfaces a gasket maker,mount the steel gasket on the cilinder studs and mount the combo cilinder/cilinder head.
For the piston rings compression you gotta get the special wrench--it's not expencive and you can buy it on every motorwrench/motorparts markets.
For the cilinder head you gotta get the special wrench too-you can make it yourlelf or you can buy it on e-bay etc.
And don't forget the little O-rings in the oil lines--just don't to gone it.If you get it new--it's better choice.
Befor it at all--remove the timing belts covers and take a look at.
You'll see a markets in an engine case,and the bases of belt covers and on the belt pulleys.
Remove the spark plugs,get the 1'st speed and slowly turn the back wheel.When the marks on the pulley get the marks on the engine case and the belt covers,stop turning and get newtral.
IMPORTANT: when you will mount the head--the marks have not to change the position! if it will,you can destroy the engine when you get the start.
I'll try to get here some pics...if I'll can tu understand how it to do...
sorry for my bad english--I'm from Moscow.
it's not the M750,but you can see the mark on the pulley...
(http://content.foto.mail.ru/mail/ufosqrat/101/i-114.jpg)
if anybody say me,how the pics get to download here--I'll show another pics...
Quote from: svp88 on November 25, 2010, 08:37:33 PM
idk why the poll is there. how do i get rid of it???
At the bottom of the page you should see a gray button that says Remove Poll.
You need a ring compressor, a torque wrench, and a special wrench for the head bolts. The head and cylinder are two pieces.
If you have the proper tools you can do the job.
Download the manuals (parts and workshop) and study them. Take your time and do not rush it. [thumbsup]
Quote from: Oberon on November 27, 2010, 12:27:42 AM
Leacking the oil from base gaket it is ordynary trouble an ducati's on small carter(400-800 air cooled engines)
the steel gasket mount with the liquid silicone gasket maker. Sometimes a workers to get it not enoug or not accuratley,and the oil start the leaking after few hours motor running on hi rev.
You need the remove the combo cilinder head/cilinder,remove the gasket (no damage it!) and cleaning the surfaces then with the gas or some one else like a carbvleaner liquid. After that you have refinish the surfaces a gasket maker,mount the steel gasket on the cilinder studs and mount the combo cilinder/cilinder head.
For the piston rings compression you gotta get the special wrench--it's not expencive and you can buy it on every motorwrench/motorparts markets.
For the cilinder head you gotta get the special wrench too-you can make it yourlelf or you can buy it on e-bay etc.
And don't forget the little O-rings in the oil lines--just don't to gone it.If you get it new--it's better choice.
Befor it at all--remove the timing belts covers and take a look at.
You'll see a markets in an engine case,and the bases of belt covers and on the belt pulleys.
Remove the spark plugs,get the 1'st speed and slowly turn the back wheel.When the marks on the pulley get the marks on the engine case and the belt covers,stop turning and get newtral.
IMPORTANT: when you will mount the head--the marks have not to change the position! if it will,you can destroy the engine when you get the start.
I'll try to get here some pics...if I'll can tu understand how it to do...
sorry for my bad english--I'm from Moscow.
no problem bratan!!
thank you very much for your answer! and yes thats what im planning to do. i have all winter to work on it . i ll get the tools i need and go from there.
yea the mechanic who worked on the engine before didnt put the gasket properly. as long as i get the piston ring compressor the rest of the job will be easy.
yea i will put a longer screw to hold the belt position. you have no idea how much the dealers charge here. for a valve inspection/adjustment they wanted 700$ and when i told them abt the leak from the head cylinder they asked for another 500$. its crazy. so i rather do it my self. ;)
Quote from: humorless dp on November 28, 2010, 05:56:26 AM
You need a ring compressor, a torque wrench, and a special wrench for the head bolts. The head and cylinder are two pieces.
If you have the proper tools you can do the job.
yeah. how can i use the torque wrench for the head bolts? you think its gonna mount on this? http://www.motoreva.com/item.cfm?itemid=102&categoryid=171 (http://www.motoreva.com/item.cfm?itemid=102&categoryid=171)
Be sure to keep the torque tool at 90 degrees from the torque wrench (as in the picture), or the torque will not be accurate. You can use any tool (crowsfoot wrench) that lets you access the nut with your torque wrench, as long as you can have those 90 degree of lever.
Quote from: battlecry on November 28, 2010, 11:41:37 AM
Be sure to keep the torque tool at 90 degrees from the torque wrench (as in the picture), or the torque will not be accurate. You can use any tool (crowsfoot wrench) that lets you access the nut with your torque wrench, as long as you can have those 90 degree of lever.
thank you . i ll do that. im going to try to find smth similar to that wrench because i think 43 $ is too much to spend for a wrench that im going to use once.... ( i hope) ;D
is it true that the pistons diameter is 88mm on the 02 M750?
Quote from: svp88 on November 28, 2010, 11:59:27 AM
im going to try to find smth similar to that wrench because i think 43 $ is too much to spend for a wrench that im going to use once.... ( i hope) ;D
I've used this with good success and it's a lot cheaper. You could probably find it at your local auto parts store.
http://www.jcwhitney.com/offset-distributor-clamp-wrenches/p2017908.jcwx?skuId=442200&TID=8014524F&utm_source=Google_Product_Search&utm_medium=CSE&utm_content=product-362307&zmam=15972153&zmas=21&zmac=141&zmap=362307 (http://www.jcwhitney.com/offset-distributor-clamp-wrenches/p2017908.jcwx?skuId=442200&TID=8014524F&utm_source=Google_Product_Search&utm_medium=CSE&utm_content=product-362307&zmam=15972153&zmas=21&zmac=141&zmap=362307)
88mm, yes, Speeddog is right. M750 engines are 88mm x 61.5mm.
Be very careful with the rings.
A set of rings for one piston is insanely expensive, and the oil rings are very fragile.
Quote from: humorless dp on November 28, 2010, 05:03:41 PM
Be very careful with the rings.
A set of rings for one piston is insanely expensive, and the oil rings are very fragile.
im planning on using a piston ring compressor. 1st i want to open up the head see the piston + rings , that way i know what type of compressor im going to need to get it done.
what do u exactly mean by saying be careful? when i pull the head out? when i squeeze the piston back in ?
I am afraid we will see another thread "Help! How do I reassemble my vertical head?!"
Please pick up a shop manual, Haynes makes a very good one for the Ducati 2v.
Be careful on reassembly.
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:VJM_ScHRjrclvM:http://i01.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/334763475/PISTON_RING_COMPRESSOR_SET_GS_5337X_.jpg&t=1)[/img]
Quote from: ducatiz on November 28, 2010, 06:28:07 PM
I am afraid we will see another thread "Help! How do I reassemble my vertical head?!"
Please pick up a shop manual, Haynes makes a very good one for the Ducati 2v.
yes sir , ill get a manual! n.p
and no you guys are not going to see that thread from me! have faith ;)
Quote from: svp88 on November 28, 2010, 06:41:40 PM
yes sir , ill get a manual! n.p
and no you guys are not going to see that thread from me! have faith ;)
We promise we won't laugh...too loud.
Just kidding....ask questions first. It's much cheaper. ;)
Quote from: humorless dp on November 28, 2010, 05:03:41 PM
Be very careful with the rings.
A set of rings for one piston is insanely expensive, and the oil rings are very fragile.
ASK ME!
I have no shame. [laugh]
i was trying to find the gasket i need for the head cylinder but i cant.
should i go get it from the dealer or you guys know some website i can get it from?
Quote from: svp88 on November 29, 2010, 03:30:45 PM
i was trying to find the gasket i need for the head cylinder but i cant.
should i go get it from the dealer or you guys know some website i can get it from?
First of all it's a cylinder base gasket...not a cylinder head gasket.
The dealer is the best place to get it.
You should download the parts breakdown from ducati.com for your bike. It will help you to properly identify the parts.
Quote from: humorless dp on November 29, 2010, 03:35:37 PM
First of all it's a cylinder base gasket...not a cylinder head gasket.
The dealer is the best place to get it.
You should download the parts breakdown from ducati.com for your bike. It will help you to properly identify the parts.
i downloaded it long time ago . i made a binder.
its called cylinder crankcase gasket th. 0.4 [roll]
i ll try to pass by the dealer 2morrow after work.
thx.
Quote from: svp88 on November 29, 2010, 03:44:11 PM
i downloaded it long time ago . i made a binder.
its called cylinder crankcase gasket th. 0.4 [roll]
i ll try to pass by the dealer 2morrow after work.
thx.
They come in different thicknesses you know.
What's the rolley eyes for?
Quote from: humorless dp on November 29, 2010, 03:58:44 PM
They come in different thicknesses you know.
What's the rolley eyes for?
typing mistake.. meant to put the ``:)`` sorry.
Like dp said, the thickness of the base gasket sets the volume of the combustion chamber and impacts the compression ratio and the timing belt tension. You should replace it with one of the same thickness. I do not know if the thickness is stamped on the face of the gasket or you will need a caliper or a micrometer. You may want to call ahead, I never assume they have the parts I need in stock.
Quote from: svp88 on November 29, 2010, 04:01:47 PM
typing mistake.. meant to put the ``:)`` sorry.
I thought I pissed you off by saying we wouldn't laugh...too loud. ;D
Quote from: humorless dp on November 29, 2010, 04:25:11 PM
I thought I pissed you off by saying we wouldn't laugh...too loud. ;D
piss me off??? wtf? come on u cant be serious??
i really appreciate it you guys are helping me with your answers.
we all love ducs and enjoy riding them .. . . .aaaand fixing them...
+ this is not the place to be pissed off or make fun of other riders. [thumbsup]
all im trying to do is save myself 2 grand.
Quote from: svp88 on November 29, 2010, 04:33:37 PM
piss me off??? wtf? come on u cant be serious??
i really appreciate it you guys are helping me with your answers.
we all love ducs and enjoy riding them .. . . .aaaand fixing them...
+ this is not the place to be pissed off or make fun of other riders. [thumbsup]
all im trying to do is save myself 2 grand.
After you've been around a while longer...
you'll realize I'm rarely serious...the laughing smiley is named after me...before I changed my screen name to humorlessdp. ;)
Good for you for trying. We'll be here to help. It's all good.
I used board sponsor CommonWealth when I needed to get a head gasket they have a pretty fantastic parts catalog too.
http://www.store.commoto.com/parts-ordering.php (http://www.store.commoto.com/parts-ordering.php)
I also saved some cash by making my own tool to remove the head nuts. I simply took the apporiate box end wrench and socket then pressed them together in a vice. Wish I hadn't washed my memory card from my camera with the pictures of when I had my head apart it would be usefull right about now. I was like you and did the job my self, made a bunch of mistakes but I eventually got everything back together amd working.
Quote from: Novelo on December 07, 2010, 03:18:21 PM
I used board sponsor CommonWealth when I needed to get a head gasket they have a pretty fantastic parts catalog too.
http://www.store.commoto.com/parts-ordering.php (http://www.store.commoto.com/parts-ordering.php)
I also saved some cash by making my own tool to remove the head nuts. I simply took the apporiate box end wrench and socket then pressed them together in a vice. Wish I hadn't washed my memory card from my camera with the pictures of when I had my head apart it would be usefull right about now. I was like you and did the job my self, made a bunch of mistakes but I eventually got everything back together amd working.
thank you for showing me that website. i really like it .. but u were a little to late coz i already got raped by the dealer.. 6$ for the gasket. :(
i got all the tools already. just waiting for the dealer to get the gasket and i ll open it up. i ll take pictures of everything and post them here once the job is successfully done. ;)
hello everybody.
Sorry i haven't posted anything in so long , ive been really busy with work.
Today i had all day to work on the bike.
Got to remove the cylinder.
here are some pictures of the progress ive made so far :D
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when i removed the cylinder i saw that the ppl who worked on the bike before used Gasket Sealant. (from what i know & read online nobody uses Gasket sealant for this)
as you can see there is a lot of oil there. do you think the gasket sealant caused the problem? * the gasket itself looks pretty beat up. is that normal?
should i clean the top of the piston from those burns or leave it the way it is?
Im going to put everything together next weekend. If you have any suggestions/advices please let me know. thank you all! [moto]
The gasket should be coated with sealant.
Where your LH finger points here
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there should be an Oring.
If not, and PO sealed that oil passage w sealant, it could probably be the reason
for the oil leak.
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yep, missing o-ring
you actually did it! you apparently know more than you originally let on!
use a tiny bit of grease to keep the orings in place when you're sliding things down.
i use rtv head gasket silicone for mine. (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/518NN%2BSAXnL._SS500_.jpg)
have used it on a variety of heads and never fails. best trick for me is to put a small bead, smear it flat and let it sit for about a minute until it gets slightly tacky. if you torque the head down too quickly, it will be too liquid and will completely push out.
i doubt you'll have issues, but inspect your studs and use new nuts. I also use the silicone UNDER the nut. It squishes out and covers just enough that it prevents corrosion. Same trick on a VW head. completely optional.
Bravo! I love open bike surgery. [thumbsup]
Quote from: battlecry on January 10, 2011, 05:59:42 AMBravo! I love open bike surgery. [thumbsup]
You must have a stressful job where this sort of stuff is a picnic :p
I tore down my 94 yamaha i-4 engine and was sweating about the piston rings... and the sleeves are tapered on it for super easy installation. not to mention getting the timing chain right after (took me 3 hours to set it right on the cam gears... the second time). I can't imagine the stress doing this sort of work on a bike I actually care about heh
Not really, I'm just old(er). If you grew up with Triumphs and Alfas, you get used to having to tear things up.
Impressive work! Now let's see the video of the first start on reassembly! I'm very impressed -- looks like you took your time.
Cleaned out the surfaces with a P800 sandpaper. everything is ready for the assembly.
i have 2 questions:
1) Should i use some type of sealant on the gasket? (99% of the people who responded to my posts said NO)
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AnwepAGjEub2BTegodcc3lIazKIX;_ylv=3?qid=20110109185923AAqdaov (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AnwepAGjEub2BTegodcc3lIazKIX;_ylv=3?qid=20110109185923AAqdaov)
2) What torque foot/pounds , newton/meters should i use for the head nuts?
thank you .
Quote from: svp88 on January 19, 2011, 06:49:33 PM
Cleaned out the surfaces with a P800 sandpaper. everything is ready for the assembly.
i have 2 questions:
1) Should i use some type of sealant on the gasket? (99% of the people who responded to my posts said NO)
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AnwepAGjEub2BTegodcc3lIazKIX;_ylv=3?qid=20110109185923AAqdaov (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AnwepAGjEub2BTegodcc3lIazKIX;_ylv=3?qid=20110109185923AAqdaov)
2) What torque foot/pounds , newton/meters should i use for the head nuts?
thank you .
If you're referring to the cylinder
base gasket between the cylinder and cases then the answer is it
absolutely needs sealer. There is no head gasket as it seals on the cylinder spigot. I would use some lapping compound on that joint to check that everything is right. Clean all the abrasive off before assembly.
The answer to your torque question is in here...http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=373.0 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=373.0)
Quote from: greenmonster on January 10, 2011, 05:06:58 AM
Where your LH finger points here
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there should be an Oring.
If not, and PO sealed that oil passage w sealant, it could probably be the reason
for the oil leak.
There was no O-ring there when i removed the cylinder. there was just sealant around the hole.
Where can i purchase this O-ring? my parts book doesnt have it for some reason.
Part # is 93823.2037
Any dealer can get you one. We have 3 Ducati dealers as sponsors. I'm sure any one of them would send you one.
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Quote from: humorless dp on January 19, 2011, 08:28:54 PM
Part # is 93823.2037
Any dealer can get you one. We have 3 Ducati dealers as sponsors. I'm sure any one of them would send you one.
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thank you for your quick response dp.
i will go 2morrow by the dealer and get one.
do u think that might had caused the leak?
Quote from: svp88 on January 19, 2011, 09:04:05 PM
thank you for your quick response dp.
i will go 2morrow by the dealer and get one.
do u think that might had caused the leak?
It's very likely. It's also likely it was left out at the factory.
You still need to use sealer on that base gasket though. ;)
Many use 3-Bond. It is very similar to the factory sealer.
Quote from: humorless dp on January 19, 2011, 09:09:58 PM
It's very likely. It's also likely it was left out at the factory.
You still need to use sealer on that base gasket though. ;)
Many use 3-Bond. It is very similar to the factory sealer.
i think you are right... it was left out at the factory.
from what i heard from the previous owner, the leak started on 2-3000 miles. i got the bike with 4500miles.
yes, i will use the sealant. bought some type of gasket sealant from pepboys. i ll check out the brand 2morrow and post it so u ll give me the OK.
is this the one im looking for?
http://www.magicracing.com/ThreeBond-1194-Liquid-Gasket-Sealer-35oz_p_84.html (http://www.magicracing.com/ThreeBond-1194-Liquid-Gasket-Sealer-35oz_p_84.html)
Quote from: svp88 on January 20, 2011, 08:42:52 PM
is this the one im looking for?
http://www.magicracing.com/ThreeBond-1194-Liquid-Gasket-Sealer-35oz_p_84.html (http://www.magicracing.com/ThreeBond-1194-Liquid-Gasket-Sealer-35oz_p_84.html)
That will do it.
Went today at the dealer to get the Gaco Ring. part #938232037.
came back to the garage and tried it . it looks that its not supposed to be there. the oring is bigger than the hole.
if you put it around the hole and put the base gasket on.. theres going to be a gap between the base and the cylinder.
here are 2 pictures.
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Pretty sure the o-ring goes on the cylinder side of the gasket. There should be a relief cut in the cylinder.
The problem is your bile is an '02 therefore there is no groove for it. Ducati stopped using the O ring in '01, so no more groove.
Quote from: howie on January 22, 2011, 06:50:30 PM
The problem is your bile is an '02 therefore there is no groove for it. Ducati stopped using the O ring in '01, so no more groove.
Didn't work on the S4 either.
Quote from: humorless dp on January 22, 2011, 07:03:51 PM
Didn't work on the S4 either.
The S4 needs to have the oil passage plugged. The 2 valvers don't.
yeah.. there is no way for the oring to go there...
its not a big deal it cost me 1$. [thumbsup]
hey guys..
today i finally put the head back in. was easier than i thought...
here are 2 pictures for now.. i ll update more info+tools i used later on.
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Well done!
Have you rotated it by hand w no plugs to check timing is correct?
Started, no leaks?
Quote from: greenmonster on February 07, 2011, 07:43:04 AM
Well done!
Have you rotated it by hand w no plugs to check timing is correct?
Started, no leaks?
No, i haven't started it yet. 1st i have to put everything i took out back , then start it ..
i ll do it next weekend.
how do u check if the timing is correct by rotating it by hand? (more info pls) thank you !
Quote from: svp88 on February 07, 2011, 03:44:53 PM
No, i haven't started it yet. 1st i have to put everything i took out back , then start it ..
i ll do it next weekend.
how do u check if the timing is correct by rotating it by hand? (more info pls) thank you !
that just ensures that the piston and valve don't "make love"
if you have the notches/dots lined up on the pulleys then it should all be good
Quote from: ducatiz on February 07, 2011, 05:34:37 PM
that just ensures that the piston and valve don't "make love"
if you have the notches/dots lined up on the pulleys then it should all be good
yea, everything is lined up. and yes i will check that b4 i start it up. [thumbsup]
Just thought since it is your first time maybe would be good to ckeck alles OK. ;)
yeah... hopefully its not going to leak again...
still killing my brain trying to figure out how the leak started?!?! ???
any ideas?
Quote from: svp88 on February 08, 2011, 06:11:49 PM
yeah... hopefully its not going to leak again...
still killing my brain trying to figure out how the leak started?!?! ???
any ideas?
gremlins
Quote from: ducatiz on February 08, 2011, 06:19:32 PM
gremlins
Then one of these should fix him up just fine
http://www.gremlinbells.com/about_us.htm (http://www.gremlinbells.com/about_us.htm)
Quote from: howie on February 08, 2011, 07:18:01 PM
Then one of these should fix him up just fine
http://www.gremlinbells.com/about_us.htm (http://www.gremlinbells.com/about_us.htm)
a guy brought his harley into my shop to get his front fender repaired...he had just bought it and also bought a bell
for "good luck" he said. he decided to hang the bell on his lower triple and as he went over a large bump the bell
got wedged between the triple and the fender creating a baseball sized dent in it! He ended up getting
a brand new fender already painted from the factory for $400.00.
Quote from: jccyberdemon on February 09, 2011, 03:39:49 PM
a guy brought his harley into my shop to get his front fender repaired...he had just bought it and also bought a bell
for "good luck" he said. he decided to hang the bell on his lower triple and as he went over a large bump the bell
got wedged between the triple and the fender creating a baseball sized dent in it! He ended up getting
a brand new fender already painted from the factory for $400.00.
hahah ... [thumbsup]
Today i worked on the bike. put most of it together.
again, it went easier than i thought. (not trying to show off)
tomorrow , Sunday.. i ll finish & fire it up...
here are some pictures of my and my friend working on it.
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finally the baby fired up!!! [moto]
everything went smooth.
thank you all for your help/support.
NOTHING is impossible.... (for those of you who thought i was going to mess up the bike) [thumbsup]
VID 00008-20110213-1619.3GP (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE86g35g4n4#normal)
[clap]nice work! a little nerve wracking pressing that button aint it?
Quote from: jc.cyberdemon on February 13, 2011, 04:01:59 PM
[clap]nice work! a little nerve wracking pressing that button aint it?
Thank you!
Just got back from the 1st test ride.
Made 6miles in the city. the temperature didn't pass 180F.
No leaks so far.
question : is the high temperature on the summer (250F) going to make any difference?
I had the exact same oil leak issue on the vertical cylinder on my 2001 Monster 600. I visited my local Ducati specialist for a checkup. He's a great and honest guy and told me that Ducati don't use usual gaskets to seal the heads, but sealant. He also told me that the leak isn't a big issue, that it was a complicated fix (precisely what you did - for which I say: bravo!) for such a small problem and that it won't bother me other than visually, as the engine didn't seem to lose compression.
Anyways, to somewhat answer your question, I've noticed that the oil leaked much more in the hot summer months when I got stuck in traffic for a while. I can't give you an engine temperature sample as the 2001 600 Monster had a simple double analog dash, with no electronic LCD input. But, to make it short, the real trial will indeed be in the summer heat. And if you ask me, you should be OK [thumbsup]
Quote from: Desmo4 on February 21, 2011, 11:33:16 AM
I had the exact same oil leak issue on the vertical cylinder on my 2001 Monster 600. I visited my local Ducati specialist for a checkup. He's a great and honest guy and told me that Ducati don't use usual gaskets to seal the heads, but sealant. He also told me that the leak isn't a big issue, that it was a complicated fix (precisely what you did - for which I say: bravo!) for such a small problem and that it won't bother me other than visually, as the engine didn't seem to lose compression.
Anyways, to somewhat answer your question, I've noticed that the oil leaked much more in the hot summer months when I got stuck in traffic for a while. I can't give you an engine temperature sample as the 2001 600 Monster had a simple double analog dash, with no electronic LCD input. But, to make it short, the real trial will indeed be in the summer heat. And if you ask me, you should be OK [thumbsup]
thank you ..
yeah i really hope its not going to leak ..
i was mostly afraid the oil would go to tire ..
i guess we ll have to wait till the summer time.