Hey guys im new from the NOVA area.
i was looknig online at colemans powersports and they had a 04 monster 800 with 165 miles on it for $5300, but ofcourse i couldnt get off work and by the time i got there they had sold it :(
im have always been a fan of the moster and see an 800 as the right size for me. any ideas on a good place to find one?
There's two Coleman btw - one in Falls Church, one in Woodbridge.
Though it's not so close, the premier Duc shop in the area is Duc Pond.
http://www.ducpond.com/ (http://www.ducpond.com/)
You might put in a word with them. They aren't listing any Monsters at all for sale, but they are tuned into the community a lot more than colemans.
There's a number of other shops in the area that you could inquire at as well. Even shops that don't specifically sell new Ducs, they may have stuff in on trade.
And if the craiglist mavens read this, help the dude out with any 800 spottings you might find.
yes i do know there are two, this was at the fall church one and it was a used one.
thanks for the advice
Don't know if you're set on an 800 or not however I found these on CL:
2000 Ducati monster - $3995 (richmond va) - http://richmond.craigslist.org/mcy/2345839488.html (http://richmond.craigslist.org/mcy/2345839488.html) <- 900
Ducati M900 MD Inspected - $4000 (Towson) - http://baltimore.craigslist.org/mcy/2364877288.html (http://baltimore.craigslist.org/mcy/2364877288.html)
2000 Ducati Monster - $3000 (Woodbridge) - http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/mcy/2364788154.html (http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/mcy/2364788154.html) <- 750, I think
Good luck with the search [thumbsup]
Do you want an M800 or an S2R 800?
(http://www.scenicreflections.com/files/Ducati_Monster_800_2004_01_1024.jpg)
(http://technomotortrend.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/2007-ducati-monster-s2r800a-small.jpg)
A pre 2002 750 will be pretty down on power. The carby 750 didn't get much more going than the 620.
Good question ducatiz. At the price from colemans he listed I've got to assume S2R.. but the man did say 800
Quote from: Sad Panda on May 06, 2011, 11:20:23 AM
A pre 2002 750 will be pretty down on power. The carby 750 didn't get much more going than the 620.
Good question ducatiz. At the price from colemans he listed I've got to assume S2R.. but the man did say 800
and he did say an 04, first year of the S2r was 05. The 04 M800ie was basically the same motor as the S2R -- 73 vs 77hp
I would not touch with a 10 foot pole a 7 year old monster with only 165 miles on it, unless I got a warranty and the engine run-thru by a wrench and even then i wouldn't may over 4500 for it.
just too many deals out there right now to pay that much.. 5300 can get you a nice condition S4 or even a nice s2r
Quote from: Sad Panda on May 06, 2011, 11:20:23 AM
A pre 2002 750 will be pretty down on power. The carby 750 didn't get much more going than the 620.
Don't you go dissin' my ride! [cheeky]
what are the diff between the m800 and an s2r?
Quote from: KTMracerx009 on May 06, 2011, 01:07:36 PM
what are the diff between the m800 and an s2r?
for starters...Single Sided Swingarm in the S2R vs a Dual Sided Swingarm on the M800
slightly different ergo's in terms of how the suspension was set out of the box, and the Magura fat-esque handlebar...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/DUCATI-MONSTER-S2R-2006-ONLY-331-MILES-/190529948453?pt=US_motorcycles&hash=item2c5c784b25#v4-37 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/DUCATI-MONSTER-S2R-2006-ONLY-331-MILES-/190529948453?pt=US_motorcycles&hash=item2c5c784b25#v4-37)
hows that look to any of you guys?
looks like an S2R800 to me...makes me wonder with the bar end scraped like that how and what else got scraped and the replaced...but I am all kinds of skeptical like that...
what are you looking to spend?
im in the range of $5500 but coulod go a bit more if needed
Another important different between that 800 and S2R800 will be that the gas tank of the older bike is steel and the new, plastic. Plastic that they have been having a lot of troubles with expanding due to the water held in the ethanol blend gas.
The polymer they used picks up water and expands. Get good news is that if you dry it out the do shrink back to an extent, and Ducati has been replacing them. But it will be something to look at when buying a monster from 2005 and later.
Easy signs of the expansion are that the front of the tank will be very close to, or contacting the keyway. On a proper tank, you should be able to fit a finger tip in between. Another hallmark is to look at the two bumpers on the bottom of the tank. They sit on the frame rails normally. If they are not centered up on the rail the tank is expanding.
Other important notes - you want to know the bike has 3 keys. Two black and the Red master. 1 missing black isn't the ned of the world. But the missing red can present a real hassle. I haven't been keeping track, but I *think* there's been some sucess in cloning the Reds. I know they can clone a black.
In the instance that you cannot get a Red key and the immobilizer system locks you out - it is very costly to get back in as it requires a new guage and ECU set.
Again, not been paying attention, but I hear there's a method to reflash the (non locked) ECU to eliminate the immobilizer.
Brakes - the older bikes will have better front brakes. in 2005 on the 620 and S2R800 they downgraded from 4 piston calipers on 320mm rotors to 2 pistons on 300mm.
Now, regarding that bike - this one would need a few hundred bucks of maintenance before it should hit the road. Cam belts on a duc are 12k miles or 2 years of service replacement items. Obviously hasn't hit 12k, but well over 2 years so thsoe need to be replaced. If you can do the work, it's about $80 in parts.
Tires need to be looked at as well. Tires like that have a recommended service life of about 5 years, regardless of miles.
Quote from: KTMracerx009 on May 06, 2011, 01:18:56 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/DUCATI-MONSTER-S2R-2006-ONLY-331-MILES-/190529948453?pt=US_motorcycles&hash=item2c5c784b25#v4-37 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/DUCATI-MONSTER-S2R-2006-ONLY-331-MILES-/190529948453?pt=US_motorcycles&hash=item2c5c784b25#v4-37)
hows that look to any of you guys?
it looks like some idiot who knows nothing about bikes bought a bike and never rode it.
bikes are not lamps or computers. if they sit unused, that usually means they are neglected. if you buy that bike, you need to figure having it looked over by a mech, belts changed and service intervals done -- i would budget 500-700 into your purchase for that, which depends a lot on the bike.
thanks guys for all the help and tips.
out of what i have nosed around and found on the web this is the one im most interested in so far
http://richmond.craigslist.org/mcy/2345839488.html (http://richmond.craigslist.org/mcy/2345839488.html)
going to give the guy a call up today to find out more about it like miles and such. is there anything special i should be looking for besides things that are easy to spot?
Looks very nice.
Ok here is the low down.
18 thousand on the bike, timing and tune up was done at 1600. Has aftermarket parts and comes with oem parts... Sounds like a deal?
All sounds great to me. Are you local to him?
I am partial to yellow ducatis... The upgrades look very nice.
the road racing exhaust alone makes it interesting to me, those are fairly rare. completely under the bike so your rear end is clean.
Yeah I am in love with the bike all I need to do is get off of work before some one else picks it up
It's a down economy, bikes aren't moving that fast for the most part.
Prices are down too. SHop around to see what a similar bike has sold for -- completed auctions on ebay is a good source.
Bikes that sold for 5000-6000 a few years ago now sell for 3500-4000. Even "rare" ones like SP and FE models.
I'll play the devil's advocate here:
The bike is listed as a Monster Dark, but has a yellow tank. Didn't all the darks have matte black? If so why is this one yellow? Sure maybe the seller just liked yellow or maybe the original tank was damaged.
KBB Shows that bike as having a *retail* value of 3710, but he/she wants 3995. And the retail price is an average of what *dealers* are asking for the bike in perfect condition.
Brembos stop better than his GSXR? Uh OK. Marketing. I'd suggest he bleed the brakes on his GSXR.
Changed the instrument cluster? See comment re: tank above.
Is this a nice bike? Surely - especially since he has original parts. *but* aftermarket parts don't really mean that much (unless you are the one doing the selling!)
Also, it *is* 11 years old. I like old bikes (OK, it's a sickness), but I'm willing to deal with them when they have problems.
Does it have 18,000 miles or 1,800? (wasn't sure if that was a typo or the 1600 was). 18,000 is a lot of miles (not that a modern bike well cared for shouldn't well surpass this with no problems, but 18K is 18K and is a reason for you to get him to drop his price).
Not trying to be a jerk, but I personally have (several times) thought a bike was the sh*t and overpaid. I'm sure I will again. Allz I'm saying is this bike is not a deal. It is what appears to be a well cared for 11 year old bike, which is going for over the KBB value. This gives you a position of strength in the bargaining department. Remember, the seller is doing you no favors so it won't hurt you to be tough on him.
I'd talk the guy down 500 bucks. He can go on about the exhaust and all that - to which I'd say "fine, return it to stock and I'll give you 3K for it. you can then sell the exhaust for the difference. the only reason I'm even looking at this old bike is because of the stuff on it" (and stress the old :)). Many times people have walked away from a sale only to get a call a day later with the seller asking if you're bringing cash.
As ducatiz points out, it's a buyers market right now. There are *lots* of Monsters out there.
For instance, here's a newer S2R800 with only 6000 miles and I'm guessing the guy would sell for less than asking as he's also looking for a few hundred more than KBB:
http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/mcy/2367923583.html (http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/mcy/2367923583.html)
So there - the jerk perspective! (But seriously, Monsters are awesome, but that doesn't mean you should overpay, and you want the bike you get to be a great experience)
And another thing! :)
Just noticed that the 3rd picture in the CL ad - the peg hangers are a different color than the other two. So the pics were not all taken at the same time. How old are they? If you look at the bike, check for scratches on the frame / swingarm. There's a chance this bike has been down, which might explain the replaced tank / cluster / hangers.
yeah talked tohim again, he is the second owner of the bike and said that the bike is a DARK but the original owner bought the yellow tank off of ebay.
thanks for the jerk talk i needed it
Quote from: ducatiz on May 07, 2011, 02:36:56 PM
It's a down economy, bikes aren't moving that fast for the most part.
Prices are down too. SHop around to see what a similar bike has sold for -- completed auctions on ebay is a good source.
Huge +1 there. Parted out my M900 because there weren't any serious buyers (just scammers, tossers and the like).
KBB trade-in for that bike is $2,835 while retail (in excellent condition) is $4,065. So there's definitely some leverage in there for you.
One of the great things about these bikes is that they've been around for quite a while so, aside from the occasional electric gremlin, they tend to be pretty reliable.
Quote from: tocino on May 07, 2011, 07:16:13 PM
The bike is listed as a Monster Dark, but has a yellow tank. Didn't all the darks have matte black?
No. The un-clear coated black was most common, but not the only. The did make a silver 'dark' 620
But there wasn't a yeller one ever
Quote from: Sad Panda on May 08, 2011, 06:30:07 PM
No. The un-clear coated black was most common, but not the only. The did make a silver 'dark' 620
But there wasn't a yeller one ever
the bike in the ad is a 900
Anyone remember the purple sparkle 620s?
ok guys now that i have time to go out and get a bike i found some new ones out, let me know what you think the better deal is
1) http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/mcy/2375390823.html (http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/mcy/2375390823.html)
2) http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/mcy/2378115673.html (http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/mcy/2378115673.html)
3) http://baltimore.craigslist.org/mcy/2364877288.html (http://baltimore.craigslist.org/mcy/2364877288.html)
im leaning towards the one Baltimore but its an old one so maybe the 07 695
I'd go for the 98 M900. Cheapest and nice add-ons already on the bike (exhaust, adjustable forks, some bling).
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Quote from: KTMracerx009 on May 12, 2011, 09:00:47 PM
im leaning towards the one Baltimore but its an old one so maybe the 07 695
Mechanically the engine in Monsters is about as reliable as they get. The Desmo has been around since before most of us were born and it's been constantly refined and improved. The electric system, on the other hand, is sometimes a bit finnicky, other times a real pain in the @$$. That's why I personally prefer pre-fuel injection bikes. You loose a bit in power and gadgets, but you gain in reliability.
I have seen all three of those before and my vote would be for #2...
#1 is missing the mirrors(has those cheap bicycle bar end mirrors), the rear seat cowl and the front fairing and yet it is "stock"...who knows what else is in err...
#3 has had that bike up for sale for well over 6 months and is still trying to sell it...he has had it on Ebay...god knows what is really wrong with it...there must be some reason why it hasn't sold or something wrong he hasn't disclosed...
#2 is a new bike on the market, looks like some nice decent mods...decent looking shape and the pricing isn't unreasonable...
Quote from: zooom on May 13, 2011, 04:23:08 AM
I have seen all three of those before and my vote would be for #2...
#1 is missing the mirrors(has those cheap bicycle bar end mirrors), the rear seat cowl and the front fairing and yet it is "stock"...who knows what else is in err...
#3 has had that bike up for sale for well over 6 months and is still trying to sell it...he has had it on Ebay...god knows what is really wrong with it...there must be some reason why it hasn't sold or something wrong he hasn't disclosed...
#2 is a new bike on the market, looks like some nice decent mods...decent looking shape and the pricing isn't unreasonable...
I wouldn't discount #3 just because it's been on the market for a while. It's a shitty economy.
It looks like it has a Foggy tank from an S4, which is sort of cool. The KM speedo concerns me only because I want to know why it's on the bike -- it may be an import or a DoD bringback, in which case I would give it + and - points. + because a lot of foreign-owned bikes are better treated than their American counterparts (warranty law in Europe allows a manufacturer to REQUIRE an owner to get work done at the dealer as well as use factory only parts like filters) but - because i've seen a LOT of bringbacks that were treated like shit.. for some reason, most are Navy guys coming from Italy (Napoli or Sigonelli, but usually the former) and the bikes really get trashed, so I'd like to know the provenance if it was a DoD bike. If it was, then there will be a RI (importer's) sticker under the seat and the VIN will be a short one (13 digit). Moreover, the ad looks like it was written by someone taking ESL.
#2 looks like a very good candidate. Are those SIL cans? I am very partial to high mounts. Lower the gages and maybe remove/swap the engine fairing and it's done. I would definitely check it out for that price.
Agreed on #2 - that guy is asking sane money. email him for more detailed pics and see if he has the receipt from the last valve adjustment.
I believe 98's have carbs, and I'm partial to those. Especially since (after you get used to it) you can pay way too much for flat-slides!
If you go to see it, put 2800 in one pocket and leave the rest in your car. If you like it you can get it then. Cash talks! Let him talk you up to 3000! :)
The high-mounts look nice (at least in these shots) and what's also nice is the passenger pegs are there too. With an M900 you're sure to pick up chicks! (or was that a different advert? :)) Oh, and see if he has the original bars or orig exhaust. Probably not at this point but nice to have. And ask how the tires are. New battery is nice - ask him *how* new. In my mind last year is not a new battery.
I agree with DucatiZ on #3 - while everything may be kosher, I'm always suspicous of replaced tank / etc. I never even thought of the "bringback" thing.
despite my quixk email and phone call to the 2nd one the guy sold it :(
so i am looking again
$#!t happens. Keep an eye on our Craigslist thread http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=40309.0 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=40309.0) since we post there almost daily. Might not be what you're looking for, but it can help you see what we think is a great deal vs what is an overpriced bucket of bolts on 2 wheels.
Sucks! "The one that got away" - but lots of Monsters come up so I'm sure another good one will appear soon. As Massimo points out, follow the "craigslist" thread. Your personal shopper Zoom updates that, oh, about every 5 minutes!
yepp i went through the same thing getting my cars.
im pretty much stalking craigslist and im on the cragslist page every 3 minuets
ok so you guys a re prolly tired of thi by now but in case anyone still wants to put some input on here i hae found some more and could use the help on which would be a good deal
1 http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/mcy/2388209728.html (http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/mcy/2388209728.html)
2 sale-ks2fr-2307603570@craigslist.org - i emailed this guy and he seems very eager to sell...bad thing?
Quote from: KTMracerx009 on May 18, 2011, 09:15:49 AM
ok so you guys a re prolly tired of thi by now but in case anyone still wants to put some input on here i hae found some more and could use the help on which would be a good deal
1 http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/mcy/2388209728.html (http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/mcy/2388209728.html)
2 sale-ks2fr-2307603570@craigslist.org - i emailed this guy and he seems very eager to sell...bad thing?
second is an email not a link... here is the link to his auction:
http://easternshore.craigslist.org/mcy/2307603570.html (http://easternshore.craigslist.org/mcy/2307603570.html)
i would go for the '03 model in a minute. it's a 1000 DS motor with the very handsome senna colors. i would love that.
auction says he has personal debt to retire. that explains the desire to sell.
fork seals? that's kind of unusual for the age. how many miles? wheelie much?
Quote from: ducatiz on May 18, 2011, 09:19:48 AM
i would go for the '03 model in a minute. it's a 1000 DS motor with the very handsome senna colors. i would love that.
+ 1 on that
Quote from: KTMracerx009 on May 18, 2011, 09:15:49 AM
2 sale-ks2fr-2307603570@craigslist.org - i emailed this guy and he seems very eager to sell...bad thing?
Not necessarily, the bike seems pretty stock and low mileage for the age. I just think there isn't much interest in the "low powered" monsters.
I have the same bike and it's good fun and easy to handle. However I found myself wanting more power soon (the bike has *only* 60 hp) but any mod would be silly expensive: big bore + high comp pistons, FCR carbs, plus some head work and you're talking $$$ 2.5 - 3K
Fork seals are not an indication of a problem, I've had them start leaking in less than 6 months on new Ducati's and I've had them go bad in less than a year, a lot of factors can cause that and it's an easy non expensive fix. - Gene
jump all over that 03 for that price!
sorry about the email guys.
the 03 has 14000 miles on it
Quote from: KTMracerx009 on May 18, 2011, 10:56:51 AM
sorry about the email guys.
the 03 has 14000 miles on it
sounds like a well ridden bike -- 6-7 years of riding at 2000-2500 per year? i'd hit that with a spatula.
guy wants to sell? bargain time.
wish you were looking a year ago, i have a near mint 06 s2r i was looking to sell last year, but have decided to keep it after buying lots of goodies for it when i got bored one day. Only reason id sell it would be to get a larger S*R.
I'm actually selling my 800 since I'm moving to Chile. I'm nowhere close to you guys (Florida), but if your search in the area turns up nothing, let me know.
Quote from: corvtt1969 on May 18, 2011, 11:08:46 AM
Only reason id sell it would be to get a larger S*R.
I know where you can get a nice S2R1000. ;D So I can get an 1100 Evo. - Gene
Quote from: twolanefun on May 18, 2011, 11:19:04 AM
I know where you can get a nice S2R1000. ;D So I can get an 1100 Evo. - Gene
if only this post was last year....owell
Quote from: corvtt1969 on May 18, 2011, 11:08:46 AM
wish you were looking a year ago, i have a near mint 06 s2r i was looking to sell last year, but have decided to keep it after buying lots of goodies for it when i got bored one day. Only reason id sell it would be to get a larger S*R.
maybe its time to upgrade ;D
http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/mcy/2387682878.html (http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/mcy/2387682878.html) its amazing what pops up overnight
i dunno why he doesnt say, but thats an s2r. did they make them in black with out the stripe?
I believe they came in solid black. I might be confusing it with the 620.
yeah i saw the single swing arm but im still learning about the duc so i didnt say anything but i do love the single swing arms.
any thoughts on that 750 tho? would it be worth the $900 cheaper?
Quote from: KTMracerx009 on May 18, 2011, 11:30:28 AM
yeah i saw the single swing arm but im still learning about the duc so i didnt say anything but i do love the single swing arms.
the swing arm is 100% the reason i bought an s2r over the "lower" models. its just super sexy and awesome.
ill have to see what my paycheck looks like after i work the air show this weekend before i go slobber on that
im not sure where youre getting the 900$ figure from, but that does seem pretty steep for an 07 s2r. i bought mine for grand more then that when it was only 1.5 years old ($6700 in mint condition with 2k miles). im no price expert but it seems too high to me
I wish I had a better picture, but this is why you get a SSS:
(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll67/cjhernan/100_0104.jpg)
Quote from: corvtt1969 on May 18, 2011, 11:27:28 AM
i dunno why he doesnt say, but thats an s2r. did they make them in black with out the stripe?
I'm not aware they did, the stripe is sorta of a signature along with the Single Sided Swingarm, perhaps he had the tank replaced with a solid one on a Duc recall, I almost did that to mine. - Gene
for the chickenstrips??
Quote from: duccarlos on May 18, 2011, 11:38:27 AM
I wish I had a better picture, but this is why you get a SSS:
Quote from: corvtt1969 on May 18, 2011, 11:27:28 AM
i dunno why he doesnt say, but thats an s2r. did they make them in black with out the stripe?
Dark was solid black.
http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/photos/2006models/2006models-Ducati-Monster-S2RDark.htm (http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/photos/2006models/2006models-Ducati-Monster-S2RDark.htm)
Quote from: twolanefun on May 18, 2011, 11:41:07 AM
I'm not aware they did, the stripe is sorta of a signature along with the Single Sided Swingarm, perhaps he had the tank replaced with a solid one on a Duc recall, I almost did that to mine. - Gene
thheres no stripe on the front fairing either, and with no rear cowl, it makes me wonder. im probably just being paranoid tho.
Quote from: ducatiz on May 18, 2011, 11:43:00 AM
Dark was solid black.
but thats not a dark paint. or at least im 99.99% sure from those photos its not a dark. it looks like gloss to me
Quote from: ducatiz on May 18, 2011, 11:42:00 AM
for the chickenstrips??
Shiiiiiit... it ain't got no chickenstrips. Well actually, the only corners that bike has seen in the past few years has been the 2 trackdays I took her to. Before that, she lived a blissful life in Georgia, 45 minutes away from great mountain roads.
Quote from: corvtt1969 on May 18, 2011, 11:43:59 AM
but thats not a dark paint. or at least im 99.99% sure from those photos its not a dark. it looks like gloss to me
They could have simply switched out the dark for a glossy black.
between the 07 750 wich is $3200 and the 04 1000 which is $4100
Quote from: KTMracerx009 on May 18, 2011, 11:47:22 AM
between the 07 750 wich is $3200 and the 04 1000 which is $4100.
oh ok, i was comparing the 750 and the s2r. also the 750 was an 01 not 07.
Quote from: duccarlos on May 18, 2011, 11:46:44 AM
They could have simply switched out the dark for a glossy black.
def possibility, note that the front fairing is not standard on a dark, and the front fender is gloss as well. but the rear cowl was also not standard on a dark, which is missing in all the photos. who knows. either way its over priced IMO.
sorry 01 750*
Personal pref: I'd go for the 1000 over the 750. Yes, it's all about size. Plus the 1000 has a power commander so the fueling should be good.
And the 750 would be a Carb, not FI. - Gene
Quote from: KTMracerx009 on May 18, 2011, 11:30:28 AM
any thoughts on that 750 tho? would it be worth the $900 cheaper?
Quote from: The Mad King Pepe' on May 18, 2011, 09:33:37 AM
I have the same bike and it's good fun and easy to handle. However I found myself wanting more power soon (the bike has *only* 60 hp) but any mod would be silly expensive: big bore + high comp pistons, FCR carbs, plus some head work and you're talking $$$ 2.5 - 3K
I actually prefer carbs over FI, but still I would go with the 1000. If you really want to get a 750 I'll sell you mine for cheap and buy the 1000 [laugh]
Quote from: The Mad King Pepe' on May 18, 2011, 03:35:34 PM
I actually prefer carbs over FI, but still I would go with the 1000. If you really want to get a 750 I'll sell you mine for cheap and buy the 1000 [laugh]
(http://reason.com/assets/mc/psuderman/2009_11/lets-make-a-deal.jpg)
if your closer then the 1000 is ;D
i gotta find time to go out and get it he is 3 hours away from me
http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/mcy/2399342235.html (http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/mcy/2399342235.html) ok the guy is asking $5799 but the KBB retail value in exelance condition is only $4845 the thing that puts me off from the bike is the diffrent color plastics
Quote from: KTMracerx009 on May 25, 2011, 07:39:31 AM
http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/mcy/2399342235.html (http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/mcy/2399342235.html) ok the guy is asking $5799 but the KBB retail value in exelance condition is only $4845 the thing that puts me off from the bike is the diffrent color plastics
Pass.
http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/mcy/2401776790.html (http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/mcy/2401776790.html) this guy had a post up for it without pictures and was asking $4000 now he put this one up asking $4500 pass?
the KBB is $4130
Quote from: KTMracerx009 on May 25, 2011, 08:39:44 AM
http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/mcy/2401776790.html (http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/mcy/2401776790.html) this guy had a post up for it without pictures and was asking $4000 now he put this one up asking $4500 pass?
looks promising, but i would offer him 4000 after a week or so.
when people say stuff like "i had a bunch of email and calls" i just figure its bullshit. you still have it.
exactly what i had in mind
says there are carbon fiber fenders and covers, aftermarket sprocket
looking for $4000
What year is that 900?
If you can get and share bigger photos that would be great. But if it's a 2000 that might be a 900S.
The 900S was the only monster to come from the factory with a floating rear caliper. A give away is the linkage rod below the swingarm
The 900S had carbon huggers and side covers 3-way adjustable forks and an Ohlins shock. If it is an S it's a better deal than originally one might have thought
Quote from: Sad Panda on May 25, 2011, 12:00:44 PM
What year is that 900?
If you can get and share bigger photos that would be great. But if it's a 2000 that might be a 900S.
The 900S was the only monster to come from the factory with a floating rear caliper. A give away is the linkage rod below the swingarm
The 900S had carbon huggers and side covers 3-way adjustable forks and an Ohlins shock. If it is an S it's a better deal than originally one might have thought
GOOD EYE
the third pic shows an under slung caliper with the con rod
Quote from: Sad Panda on May 25, 2011, 12:00:44 PM
What year is that 900?
If you can get and share bigger photos that would be great. But if it's a 2000 that might be a 900S.
The 900S was the only monster to come from the factory with a floating rear caliper. A give away is the linkage rod below the swingarm
The 900S had carbon huggers and side covers 3-way adjustable forks and an Ohlins shock. If it is an S it's a better deal than originally one might have thought
I Emailed you the pics....
The other dead visual give away is that the Ohlins shock has an external reservoir - but I can't tell from that photo. The angle and light make a dark spot where it might be. On a 900S it's mounted behind the shock on a bracket and is clearly visible from a lot of angles . On a base 900 the shock has no external reservoir
*edit* zoom sent me photos. It's a 900S for sure. There will have been a carbon rear hugger from the factory, so you might ask. But it is 2000 vintage CF so it's really not great by today's standards. Tended toward pun holes and yellowing
It's a better deal than thought. That shock would run you $800+ as an upgrade purchase currently
ok guys here is the question which is the better deal i have the cash for both of them
1. the 03 monster 1000 with 14k miles on it that was up on cragslist, he emailed me saying it is still for
2. the 01 900 that i posted a link too(the last one) he sent me the same pics that he later put in the craigslist add
they both are about $4000 so which is best? im probably buying one of them this week unlsess some freak disaster happens
depends on the condition in person.
everything can look great on paper
1000 and 900 are pretty close engines.. that's not a ds1000 is it? if it is, that's a +1
The 900 is a year 2000. That's the only year the S model had that rear brake and Ohlins shock
his post says its a 2001 http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mld/mcy/2401152158.html (http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mld/mcy/2401152158.html) before he put the pictures up
Quote from: KTMracerx009 on May 26, 2011, 09:22:08 AM
his post says its a 2001 http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mld/mcy/2401152158.html (http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mld/mcy/2401152158.html) before he put the pictures up
gotta look at it then. might just be dumb.
yeah the 900 is only about a 20 minute drive but the 100 is about 3 hours away
Quote from: ducatiz on May 26, 2011, 09:08:13 AM
1000 and 900 are pretty close engines.. that's not a ds1000 is it? if it is, that's a +1
I would put a +1 to the suspension (Ohlins shock and 3-way adjustable forks) on the M900 since there's more benefit in those than from and extra few ponies in the engine.
KTM, go and check them out this weekend. Seeing the bike in person is always different from looking at photos of it. Talk to the owner, try and get a sense of how they treat their bikes, how much do they know about them. Keep researching the bikes (what are the kbb values?) I think you might be able to talk down the price of a bike if you can show the owner that you're knowledgeable.
i am for sure looking at the 900 this weekend becasue it is close and depending on how that goes might go see the 1000 which is 3 hours away
Surely a tough call - same price and they both have lots going for them.
Carbs vs. FI - i <3 teh carbz but a good FI = fewer problems
900 vs 1000 - 900 is the classic Monster, but the 1000 is newer and it's the DS motor right?
Suspension - King Pepe has it right - good suspension is essential
The only negative to me on the 900 is why'd he change the color? I'm always suspicious of that.
So I'll echo what everyone else is saying: take a look at the 900 and if it's in good shape go for it. If he won't let you take it for a spin (I wouldn't :)) see if he'll take you for a ride around the block. Is it currently registered / titled?
If it's not 100% but close, you could check out the 1000 and possibly call the 900 guy and play the "well the one I'm looking at is 200 bucks cheaper? Any chance you can come down to 3800? I'll bring cash" game :)
Both the 900 and 1000 are injected - so that's off the comparison list.
ok so one lastthing before i go off looking at the bikes
what do the three diffrent keys do? ther are two black and one red correct? whats the point in three?
you need the red one if the ecu goes cuckoo.
ok so really only need a 1 red and one black then
I think the bikes come with 2 black and 1 red. But there's nothing special about the black ones and if you lose them you can use the red one to make a copy.
ok good to know,
he said he has two keys, i asked which two...waiting on his response
Yeah - if it's an ECU bike and there is no red key forget it. You get get a new one but it's hella expensive. I believe they make you get a new ECU.
If you're talking about the 900, then I'm not sure it has/needs the red key. The 1000, I'm fairly sure it does (have/need the red key).
Quote from: The Mad King Pepe' on May 27, 2011, 02:40:03 PM
If you're talking about the 900, then I'm not sure it has/needs the red key. The 1000, I'm fairly sure it does (have/need the red key).
This sounds right to me.
The 900 is pre immobilizer so has no red key at all.
Not true, my 02' M900 has a red key and there is immobilizer. - Gene
Yes the 900 being discussed was pre immobilizer. It's a 2000. I didn't write all 900s. There was a page or two discussing two particular bikes he was looking at. I was only commenting on the bikes being looked over
http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mld/mcy/2442550012.html (http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mld/mcy/2442550012.html)
ok guys this is the one im looking at sunday the kbb value is 5300
Nice! Seller seems like he knows his stuff and has taken good care of the bike. [thumbsup]
Quote from: KTMracerx009 on June 16, 2011, 08:29:03 AM
http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mld/mcy/2442550012.html (http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mld/mcy/2442550012.html)
ok guys this is the one im looking at sunday the kbb value is 5300
Quote from: The Mad King Pepe' on June 16, 2011, 08:37:27 AM
Nice! Seller seems like he knows his stuff and has taken good care of the bike. [thumbsup]
YUP...and he is also a member here with his bike listed here -> http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=49921.0 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=49921.0)
That's a killer deal, jump on it quick 'cause I don't think it'll last long.
yeah the only time he is showing it is sunday at three and my shift got switched so i work all day :( he also said he had a bunch of people coming to look at it then too so if its still there ill jump on it
hows this one the price seems a little high to me but maybe can talk him down, 5th [icture down on the pipe there is a scratch and dent
http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/mcy/2442011792.html (http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/mcy/2442011792.html)
price is too high by at least 1k. pretty bike otherwise. check out KBB
Quote from: KTMracerx009 on June 18, 2011, 05:03:10 AM
yeah the only time he is showing it is sunday at three and my shift got switched so i work all day :( he also said he had a bunch of people coming to look at it then too so if its still there ill jump on it
hows this one the price seems a little high to me but maybe can talk him down, 5th [icture down on the pipe there is a scratch and dent
http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/mcy/2442011792.html (http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/mcy/2442011792.html)
there are a few things about this bike that are peculiar to me for the kind of money he is asking...a repainted tank with no logo's?...me thinks wreck,repair, repaint....changed the bars with no bar-ends, shredded the left hand grip, and put some form of aftermarket mirrors on it and a non matching black front fender...all tell tale's of a wreck repair?..maybe...but definitely no where near for what he is asking...and I think those might be the origional tires...
maybe for $3300?!?!?
yea the kbb for it is $4900
i would be all over that 06 s2r becasue that is the exact bike i want
Look closely at the clutch lever. The 2nd pic might be the wrong angle, but the clutch lever appears to not all be there... maybe.
Also, look closely at the exhaust/muffler on the right side. I see some rash and, maybe, a dent. If so, have the owner explain that.
Duh, you already caught that.
Jeebus, looks like a bike I might own...
For what it's worth, Monsters tend to crash pretty well. Guess how I know ;) So I wouldn't be too worried about the reliability of the bike. However I would EXPECT the person to clearly state that a bike has been down.
You can see the VIN on a sticker in one of the pics, you could do an online check to see if it was something serious, and/or ask the seller. Also ask him if the bike has a clean title, or the price goes down [thumbsdown]
Quote from: KTMracerx009 on June 18, 2011, 05:34:46 AM
yea the kbb for it is $4900
Is that 4900 retail? 'Cause that's the price you get from a dealer for a mint bike, not for this.
Quote from: KTMracerx009 on June 18, 2011, 05:34:46 AM
i would be all over that 06 s2r becasue that is the exact bike i want
THEN DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME ON ANYTHING ELSE. That's the best bit of advice I can give you. [thumbsup]
Quote from: KTMracerx009 on June 18, 2011, 05:34:46 AM
yea the kbb for it is $4900
i would be all over that 06 s2r becasue that is the exact bike i want
yep, no other bike has a seat that smells like bergdoerfer's ass
Quote from: ducatiz on June 18, 2011, 05:54:54 PM
yep, no other bike has a seat that smells like bergdoerfer's ass
Zoiks!!!!! I am NOT going to ask how you know this!
Quote from: Ducatician on June 18, 2011, 06:21:26 PM
Zoiks!!!!! I am NOT going to ask how you know this!
it's just logic. it's the only bike he has (that he's told us about) and therefore, it's the only bike seat that he's put his ass on.
(http://www.startrek.com/legacy_media/images/200307/spock01/320x240.jpg)
^ ha ha very funny brutha fuqua
I farted many times on that bike yessirree [Dolph]
I almost backed out on selling it. When I went to take it for a goodbye flog through Rock Creek Park, it seemed like it pulled the hardest and smoothest it ever had, handled the flickiest, and shined the glossiest. And it turned everyone's heads. Them damn little wet clutch S2Rs are sweetheart bikes. I never understood why they never got any more respect than they did.
When the guy rode away I could hear that bike all the way from Chevy Chase to the 495 offramp. 'Twas a loud one!
Time for a Streetfighter S to make myself feel mo betta [evil]
Quote from: bergdoerfer on June 26, 2011, 11:56:41 AM
Them damn little wet clutch S2Rs are sweetheart bikes. I never understood why they never got any more respect than they did.
i think it was the forks and the discount brakes. if they had put full sized brakes on the front and adjustable forks, it would have gotten plenty more respect. My bike has those upgrades now and no one has noticed the wet clutch.
the only thing i would change now is to a straight clutch and not the aptc.
part of it tho is the marketing ducati has done -- people think a dry clutch is "true" ducati and anything else is not, forgetting all of the race bikes <1980 or so had wet clutchs.