USA come on guys. Once you get used to it the water is actually quite nice.
[thumbsup]
Edit: Oh and once you do please bring along Liberia and Burma. Everyone's welcome!
we tried it in 74- 75
I want those two years back
And your refusal to stick with it has cost me hundreds of dollars in duplicate tools. ???
We use it for anything that matters, like the sciences and medicine.
Also, if Sammy Hagar had sang I can't drive 88.5, that just wouldn't have had the same ring to it.
No thanks. I'll stick to feet and inches for construction, thank you very much.
Quote from: SKOM on July 29, 2008, 03:28:10 PM
And your refusal to stick with it has cost me hundreds of dollars in duplicate tools. ???
uh hello.... I just bought a 60 buck metric tap and die set...you could cross over to our darkside ya know [laugh]
Quote from: SKOM on July 29, 2008, 03:28:10 PM
And your refusal to stick with it has cost me hundreds of dollars in duplicate tools. ???
I work with metric tools everyday.
Their names are Fidel, Francisco, and Will.
You can gladly have them.
Quote from: Sinister on July 29, 2008, 03:35:13 PM
No thanks. I'll stick to feet and inches for construction, thank you very much.
+1...although I could do without inches. I wish we just used tenths of feet instead. I used to have a tape that gave tenths/hundredths of feet instead of inches...it was great.
Ok here's the deal.
I'll talk to some people.
We will take back Celine Dion if you go Metric.
Deal?
Quote from: SKOM on July 29, 2008, 03:42:25 PM
Ok here's the deal.
I'll talk to some people.
We will take back Celine Dion if you go Metric.
Deal?
got'a do better than that
Quote from: bobspapa on July 29, 2008, 03:43:31 PM
got'a do better than that
How about this.
You guys reimburse me for my non-metric tools AND adopt the metric system.
In return. We take Celine and Bryan Adams. Plus we will let you tell everyone that you invented insulin, the telephone, the lightbulb, and the wonderbra.
Final offer.
Quote from: SKOM on July 29, 2008, 03:46:39 PM
How about this.
You guys reimburse me for my non-metric tools AND adopt the metric system.
In return. We take Celine and Bryan Adams. Plus we will let you tell everyone that you invented insulin, the telephone, the lightbulb, and the wonderbra.
Final offer.
pass. the only upside to the metric system that I can see...... when people discuss penis length, the numbers sound more impressive
Quote from: Triple J on July 29, 2008, 03:41:20 PM
+1...although I could do without inches. I wish we just used tenths of feet instead. I used to have a tape that gave tenths/hundredths of feet instead of inches...it was great.
I have several of those. the english system would make so much more sense it it were in decimals. They promised me in 74 -75 that we would be using metric and Ive been pissed ever since.
5,280 in a mile? WTF?
Quote from: MendoDave on July 29, 2008, 04:02:10 PM
I have several of those. the english system would make so much more sense it it were in decimals. They promised me in 74 -75 that we would be using metric and Ive been pissed ever since.
5,280 in a mile? WTF?
The Brits (our forefathers forefathers) came up with that bullshit. A mile is 6 furlongs or some crap.
A mile was 1000 paces.
1 pace is 2 steps.
1 pace is also roughly equal to your height.
The standard was based on a roman emperor who was about 5' 3 1/2".
Personally, I much prefer the metric system. Sockets are all numbers instead of fractions.
On further though, I prefer the metric system for measuring distances and volumes.
I prefer our system for things like density and pressure...but only because that's what I'm used to and have a feel for. I have a feel for 5,000 psi, or 150 lb/cf...not so much for 150 kPa. :-\
Metrix? Standard? Peeeshaaaw.
Whitworth FTW!!
[cheeky]
Quote from: Rameses on July 29, 2008, 03:37:40 PM
I work with metric tools everyday.
Their names are Fidel, Francisco, and Will.
You can gladly have them.
I think Skom was talking about Imperial Tools.
But your guys may qualify as well. [laugh]
I've got far more metric tools than inch.
I've done huge amounts of design, fabrication and machining work in both systems.
I'll give it to ya, though, the metric system of threads is a lot more sensible.
When I become the Colossal Ruler of Planet Earth, 6-32 threads will be outlawed.
And, yeah, you'll have to do better than just taking back Celine.
Take back Jim Carrey and Nickelback, and give us Diana Krall.
Then we'll talk. ;D
Deals Off. You keep Nickleback!
;D
I'm all about metric, except when I'm measuring beer.
Hogsheads per fortnight, dammit!
I had a classmate in a college physics class pregnant dog about using the metric system. The instructor told him he could use English measurements.
He required that every velocity on his homework assignment be in furlongs/fortnight.
He did not complain about the metric system again.
Quote from: Obsessed? on July 29, 2008, 04:39:48 PM
I had a classmate in a college physics class pregnant dog about using the metric system. The instructor told him he could use English measurements.
He required that every velocity on his homework assignment be in furlongs/fortnight.
He did not complain about the metric system again.
Laugh
How about epah measures and cubits? [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Quote from: bobspapa on July 29, 2008, 03:26:31 PM
we tried it in 74- 75
I want those two years back
as i recall, they did the same thing to me in the mid 70's.
"you are lucky to be learning this now. soon everyone will be using the metric system..."
20 years later, they told my little sister the same thing.
but my 1999 truck still has standard bolts all over it.
WTF??
I have to say that having 12" to foot makes much easier to design things using ratios. The point of having 12 units of measure instead of 10 is that 1/4, 1/3 and 1/2 of 12 are all whole numbers. So thats a good arguement to keep the foot around. (Mayans had a base 60 for the same reason if I recall correctly). But standard measurements like teasponn, tablespoon, cup, quart and gallon and just make the beast with two backs right off and die.
Being able to work with something like a+b/a = a/b in whole numbers is so much nicer than having to use an ugly decimal like 1.6803....
sac
I use metric only in physics and chem. everything else is SAE.
Both makes sense, i just hate fractions. Is 5/8 bigger than 1/2? if you dont work with SAE often, you have to mentally do the math. 1/2 is also 4/8. so 5/8 is just a tad bigger. what about 3/16 an 1/4. looks big, but 1/4 is also 4/16 which is a hair larger than 3/16. but when you look at 3mm you know its smaller than 4 automtically. Plus its all 10s! 10mm in 1cm. 100 cm in 1 meter...1000 meters in 1 kilo. In other countries, theres also a denomination for half kilo. and theres also a denomonation for half cm. but thats mostly phased out.
inches i mean ,wtf. 16parts in an inch, 12 inches in a foot. 3 feet in a yard. 100 yards in a what? 100yards does not equal 1 mile or any denomenation of a mile....does it?
1 reason i am happy we use SAE is becasue im going to go grab a quater pounder with cheese. Id be pissed if i had to say Quater kilo, that owuld be one nice burger though!
Sacduc is right on hte last sentence. Fractions are more accurate than decimals, and are much friendlier to use. If you cut a piece of metal thats 1/3 an inch, it would be much better than writing .33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 etc.
Quote from: He Man on July 30, 2008, 08:19:47 PM
inches i mean ,wtf. 16parts in an inch
Or 32 parts, or 64 parts....
Quote from: Jobu on July 29, 2008, 03:31:27 PM
We use it for anything that matters, like the sciences and medicine.
Also, if Sammy Hagar had sang I can't drive 88.5, that just wouldn't have had the same ring to it.
ROFLMFAO!!! [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [clap] [clap] [clap] [clap] [bacon]
Quote from: He Man on July 30, 2008, 08:19:47 PM
inches i mean ,wtf. 16parts in an inch, 12 inches in a foot. 3 feet in a yard. 100 yards in a what?
football field
but you cant count the endzone which is where the party is!
100 football fielsd in a........
Quote from: He Man on July 30, 2008, 10:23:52 PM
but you cant count the endzone which is where the party is!
100 football fields in a........
...decent rushing career?
I suppose it could've been all the Singhas, [drink] but I had a sort of religeous moment when I first dived with metric gauges.
1 Atmosphere = 10 M of depth - none of this 32.8nnnn bull shit to convert
I'm really not sure how exact the equality is, but with water as a foundational element of life and metric measurements - the realization that 10M below the surface equated somehow to the Atmospheric weight at sea-level... blew my mind.
Okay - off for another glass of 'cooking' wine... another story - maybe that'll make it in the WTF thread..
[wine]
-m
Quote from: CromoMann on July 30, 2008, 10:36:42 PM
I suppose it could've been all the Singhas, [drink] but I had a sort of religeous moment when I first dived with metric gauges.
1 Atmosphere = 10 M of depth - none of this 32.8nnnn bull shit to convert
I'm really not sure how exact the equality is, but with water as a foundational element of life and metric measurements - the realization that 10M below the surface equated somehow to the Atmospheric weight at sea-level... blew my mind.
Okay - off for another glass of 'cooking' wine... another story - maybe that'll make it in the WTF thread..
[wine]
-m
You sound like you have nitrogen bubbles in yer blood :P
Definitely prefer metric here.
A couple of the instruments I work with require both imperial and metric tools...such a pain having to haul both sets around the world with me. :P
"Check out the big brain on Brett! You're a smart motherf***er. That's right! The metric system."
Another vote for moving to metric-only tools. I'll be honest: I'm lazy, and fractions are boring.
Quote from: bobspapa on July 29, 2008, 03:26:31 PM
we tried it in 74- 75
I want those two years back
It went over like a screen door in a submarine. ;D
Hail Squire!! I wouldst like to summon thee to a barter of 10 shillings 2 3/4 pennies for half a furlong of thine liquorice and a pint of pale ale
http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msp98/news/mco991110.html
Quote"The 'root cause' of the loss of the spacecraft was the failed translation of English units into metric units in a segment of ground-based, navigation-related mission software, as NASA has previously announced," said Arthur Stephenson, chairman of the Mars Climate Orbiter Mission Failure Investigation Board. "The failure review board has identified other significant factors that allowed this error to be born, and then let it linger and propagate to the point where it resulted in a major error in our understanding of the spacecraft's path as it approached Mars.
Quote from: He Man on July 30, 2008, 08:19:47 PM
1 reason i am happy we use SAE is becasue im going to go grab a quater pounder with cheese. Id be pissed if i had to say Quater kilo, that owuld be one nice burger though!
Dude, it's called a Royal with cheese
Im with sac on this one. Way too much of the construction industry would have to change here. Almost all building materials are based off of the Standard system and it would mess a lot of the simple arithmatic used in build stuff. studs 16"oc 4x8 sheets of plywood, etc...
Also when I was a kid and my mother "counted to 3" and she didnt really want to hit us we got "...1 ...2 ...2 1/2 ... 2 3/4"
1 acre in a football field
Quote from: Triple J on July 29, 2008, 03:41:20 PM
+1...although I could do without inches. I wish we just used tenths of feet instead. I used to have a tape that gave tenths/hundredths of feet instead of inches...it was great.
Civil/Dirtwork guys do. I'm surprised that you don't strictly deal in tenths of feet. All our civil work, grades, and utilities are all set to tenths of feet.
Quote from: Sinister on July 31, 2008, 07:36:05 AM
Civil/Dirtwork guys do. I'm surprised that you don't strictly deal in tenths of feet. All our civil work, grades, and utilities are all set to tenths of feet.
We do for civil/earthwork stuff. But being a tunneller, I also have a lot of structural stuff to deal with, which is all done in architectural scale and fractions of an inch. [puke]
Quote from: herm on July 31, 2008, 05:17:46 AM
1 acre in a football field
Aren't forest fires here in CA measured in gigaacres? ;)
sac
just keeping the framers and roofers off meth, is hard enough.....add in a lil "learn'n the metric system" into the mix..... nothing will ever get built again.
Quote from: Triple J on July 31, 2008, 07:57:45 AM
We do for civil/earthwork stuff. But being a tunneller, I also have a lot of structural stuff to deal with, which is all done in architectural scale and fractions of an inch. [puke]
Gotcha.
Personally, I'd prefer a liter as the standard sized beer instead of a pint - especially if they cost the same :)
And as for the fractions versus decimal points. I'll take decimal points any day of the week. At least those can be entered into a calculator.
Fractions can be entered. Just treat the fraction as a division problem...
I'll stick with inches. Have you seen some of the random numbers that the metric equations use in our building code?
Quote from: bobspapa on July 29, 2008, 03:43:31 PM
got'a do better than that
I'm completely against taking back celine. i'd rather go back to imperial.
Metric is a "lowest common denominator" system. Oh, wahhh, I don't understand fractions. Well, go back to 3rd grade and talk to me in a year. :P
Quote from: erik822 on July 31, 2008, 08:21:44 AM
Personally, I'd prefer a liter as the standard sized beer instead of a pint - especially if they cost the same :)
You could as easily go to a Gallon instead. Mind your P's and Q's.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKZzUC2Ejic
I work in the scientific field. We do everything in metric. It does make life a little easier....but I still rather use F instead of C. I don't like that one.
I too work in science and it is a hell of a lot easier to work with. Once you can visualize how far a kilometer is, how heavy a kilo is, and how much a liter is everything becomes easy.
Those of you that wrench on your monster are already familiar with the system. Those who don't wrench. are giving yourselves away by opposing the metric system.
Those of you that have ever done pot should have the conversions down cold. How many ounces in a kilo of weed?
The way I see it, one way or another most of you dudes are already using the metric system. [cheeky]
Quote from: Le Pirate on July 31, 2008, 09:09:46 AMbut I still rather use F instead of C.
I'd like something between the two. I like that 0 degrees is freezing in Celsius, but I also like that 100 degrees in Fahrenheit is Really Damn Hot. Saying it's 40 degrees out in the summer just isn't that impressive.
Quote from: x136 on July 31, 2008, 09:33:56 AM
I'd like something between the two. I like that 0 degrees is freezing in Celsius, but I also like that 100 degrees in Fahrenheit is Really Damn Hot. Saying it's 40 degrees out in the summer just isn't that impressive.
no, but it sure feels d*mn hot!
besides, 0 C = freezing. 100 C = boiling (water) so there is a logical basis for the scale.
Quote from: x136 on July 31, 2008, 09:33:56 AM
I'd like something between the two. I like that 0 degrees is freezing in Celsius, but I also like that 100 degrees in Fahrenheit is Really Damn Hot. Saying it's 40 degrees out in the summer just isn't that impressive.
I've been using Kelvin, lately.
Quote from: Sinister on July 31, 2008, 09:56:15 AM
I've been using Kelvin, lately.
Now that's just nutty. You're not even supposed to use a degree sign for that one. [roll]
Quote from: Sinister on July 31, 2008, 09:56:15 AM
I've been using Kelvin, lately.
[laugh]
Damn...it's 271 out today...chilly! ;D
Quote from: Triple J on July 31, 2008, 11:15:45 AM
[laugh]
Damn...it's 271 out today...chilly! ;D
Absolute-ly. [laugh] [laugh]
Quote from: Le Pirate on July 31, 2008, 09:09:46 AM
I still rather use F instead of C. I don't like that one.
Plus one here... last time I dropped an F-bomb... nobody even raised an eyebrow.... but drop the C word... and drinks get spilled, and faces get slapped.... what gives?
which c word did you use? Were you in a strip club? or around kids?
was it....
Canoe?
As the girl in the office next to me would put it.... "See you next Tuesday."
It was in a bar... with no kids around... waitress didn't like it much though.
Quote from: ryandalling on July 31, 2008, 03:47:24 PM
As the girl in the office next to me would put it.... "See you next Tuesday."
It was in a bar... with no kids around... waitress didn't like it much though.
they never do. some girls i worked with gave me the canoe... if you think about the shape you get the picture. far safer in mixed company to throw that out.
I found it amusing to leave 30-degree weather in Australia in December, and arrive in Chicago for 30-degree weather. [laugh]
I just realized that my penis is bigger in centimeters. GO METRIC SYSTEM!!
sac
/sorry :-[
American Currency is Metric, you understand that right? Its easy to use, learn and do math with.
Example what is 10 plus 10 ? answer 20
What is 13/64's plus 2 and 3/16th's answer? Screw the answer, I 'm off for a beer! [laugh]
Then wtf was up with the $2.00 bill?
Quote from: He Man on July 31, 2008, 09:45:58 PM
Then wtf was up with the $2.00 bill?
$10 ÷ $5 = $2
Duh.
DOH.
Quote from: msincredible on July 31, 2008, 08:07:28 PM
I found it amusing to leave 30-degree weather in Australia in December, and arrive in Chicago for 30-degree weather. [laugh]
-30 you mean. ;)
Nice wintersday here, lovely 23 degrees celsuis [thumbsup]
Having to use both metric and traditional system makes you smarter.
All that conversion in your head -- makes you better at maths.
Seriously.
Its not reflected in the math scores though because it only will affect a relatively small number of folks, such as people who do home construction (or projects) and work on their metric car/bike/etc.
A huge problem is that tools are inch. Period. You won't find a rotary saw blade with a metric width, or a hole saw with a metric diameter. Just doesn't happen.
I was in Germany and went into a tool shop. Sure enough, the tools were in metric. Then I looked closely and saw...
horrors.
they were all conversions from inch. The hole saw was 50mm but in small print it said ("Tatsachliches Breite 50.8mm")
TWO INCH!
Quote from: He Man on July 30, 2008, 08:19:47 PM
Fractions are more accurate than decimals, and are much friendlier to use. If you cut a piece of metal thats 1/3 an inch, it would be much better than writing .33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 etc.
I think you write it like this.
.33_
Only the underscore goes under the last Number that repeats itself. The keyboard wont let me do it. Damm SAE keyboards! [cheeky]
yes thats how you write it, but you cant input that into a calculator. you have to put 1/3.
Or round it at some reasonable place, such as 4 places after that it mostly meaningless. But Fractions are easier to deal with in algebra. funny how that works. well I'm off to Land Survey where Ill be dealing with Feet convinently divided up into Tenths, Hundredths, and Thousandths.
Quote from: MendoDave on August 01, 2008, 11:56:13 AM
I think you write it like this.
.33_
Only the underscore goes under the last Number that repeats itself. The keyboard wont let me do it. Damm SAE keyboards! [cheeky]
No, it will .3
3 [laugh] Amazing how that underline button works.
Also, those talking about the Kelvin scale. It is exactly the same as the Celsius scale, except that 0 K is absolute zero.
Quote from: Jobu on August 01, 2008, 05:48:35 PM
Also, those talking about the Kelvin scale. It is exactly the same as the Celsius scale, except that 0 K is absolute zero.
But... what if it gets colder??
Quote from: Rameses on August 01, 2008, 10:13:48 PM
But... what if it gets colder??
Then you will need to quickly drain the gas out of your bike to save us all.
Quote from: Jobu on August 01, 2008, 10:17:18 PM
Then you will need to quickly drain the gas out of your bike to save us all.
But fire isn't metric.
(and make the beast with two backs you by the way) >:(