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Re: Plastic Tank problems: Discussion thread, see info thread sticky for updates
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November 26, 2011, 03:16:32 PM »
Quote from: DucNaked on November 26, 2011, 12:22:50 PM
If money is no issue why not get an aluminum tank.
I hear three grands for the ABS model, and you have to be the guinea pig. Plus, you have to paint it. Which easily heads up to four grands.
I can totally understand that price, since volume is tiny, but I can have a fully functional, swell-free, stock Ducati, solution for much less $$.
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November 26, 2011, 05:32:41 PM »
Quote from: HotIce on November 26, 2011, 11:43:10 AM
Yup, of course
Besides that, can I expect no ad-hoc USA changes from that POV?
If my bike will start having unbearable tank swelling problems, my plan is:
Get the warranty replaced tank out of DNA
Sell that tank on eBay
Get new tank in Italy next summer and carry in USA on return
In order to get the new tank the dealer has to send the old tank back - you can't keep it
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Re: Plastic Tank problems: Discussion thread, see info thread sticky for updates
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November 26, 2011, 05:56:36 PM »
Quote from: Frisco on November 26, 2011, 05:32:41 PM
In order to get the new tank the dealer has to send the old tank back - you can't keep it
I think
HotIce
is talking about having his original tank replaced under warranty (yes, the dealer will keep the original), then selling the brand new unused US market replacement tank and buying a new EU market tank made from PEX.
Quote from: bikepilot on November 26, 2011, 10:14:31 AM
FWIW
dirt bike tanks are plastic
, permeable,
and don't have expansion issues
that I can tell (I've got half a dozen of them, so I'd probably have noticed by now).
I dont doubt it. PEX and/or PE doesnt seem to have the expansion issues which afflict nylon gas tanks. But Ducati (via Acerbis) make the newer Monster tanks of 2 different materials, PA (nylon) for the US and PEX for everywhere else. Seems likely that they stick with the expansion-prone nylon for USA only because they cannot get PEX past the regulators. Are your dirt bikes road legal machines? Are the plastic tanks stock or aftermarket?
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Re: Plastic Tank problems: Discussion thread, see info thread sticky for updates
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Quote from: Frisco on November 24, 2011, 04:59:08 PM
...they are recomending using K100 which they are going to start carrying...
They bragged about the K100 to me, too. I'm sure they plan to make a tidy profit off it. I'm not crazy about additives, though. When I'm out for a 350 mile ride, I don't want to have to carry a bottle of snake oil with me for each fill up (their recommendation).
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The active ingredients of the k100 product are ethanol and ether.
No thanks.
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Quote from: ducatiz on November 27, 2011, 06:08:16 PM
The active ingredients of the k100 product are ethanol and ether.
No thanks.
where did you get that info? There is nothing on their website indicating ingrediants nor on the bottle I have in my garage?
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Quote from: ɹǝnǝɥǝƃun on November 26, 2011, 05:56:36 PM
I think
HotIce
is talking about having his original tank replaced under warranty (yes, the dealer will keep the original), then selling the brand new unused US market replacement tank and buying a new EU market tank made from PEX.
why would anyone buy a tank they can get replaced under warranty? Especially a tank that will continue to expand?
Am I missing something here?
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Quote from: Frisco on November 27, 2011, 07:25:06 PM
where did you get that info? There is nothing on their website indicating ingrediants nor on the bottle I have in my garage?
MSDS sheets require them to divulge secrets.
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Re: Plastic Tank problems: Discussion thread, see info thread sticky for updates
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November 28, 2011, 07:24:30 AM »
Quote from: Frisco on November 27, 2011, 07:27:58 PM
why would anyone buy a tank they can get replaced under warranty? Especially a tank that will continue to expand?
Am I missing something here?
You assume things never break, or bikes never go into an accident
Sure is, if my tank is going to expand, I prefer to cut short and either get a non expanding one from outside USA, or coat the replacement one.
Former solution preferred.
I don't want to be on/off at my dealership every two months because, yet again, the same old tank expanded. Just because it is under warranty.
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November 28, 2011, 09:58:29 AM »
Quote from: HotIce on November 28, 2011, 07:24:30 AM
You assume things never break, or bikes never go into an accident
Sure is, if my tank is going to expand, I prefer to cut short and either get a non expanding one from outside USA, or coat the replacement one.
Former solution preferred.
I don't want to be on/off at my dealership every two months because, yet again, the same old tank expanded. Just because it is under warranty.
I agree 100% about getting one that won't expand - accidents I would think would be covered under ins (provided you carry comprehensive) - I think it would be a very limited market to be able to resell the replaced tank. I've also heard the coating isn't a 100% fix either and once you do that you void the waranty - I would keep getting replacments up until the 18 month expiration time period before coating one and hope that someone in the interim has come up a permanenteconomical fix by then. Just my thoughts.
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Re: Plastic Tank problems: Discussion thread, see info thread sticky for updates
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November 28, 2011, 10:02:56 AM »
Quote from: ducatiz on November 27, 2011, 07:39:11 PM
MSDS sheets require them to divulge secrets.
Thanks - just curious if it's the same MSDS for the G formula as the Marine Grade shown? My guess would be yes but perhaps different percent in formula?
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November 28, 2011, 10:36:46 AM »
Quote from: Frisco on November 28, 2011, 10:02:56 AM
Thanks - just curious if it's the same MSDS for the G formula as the Marine Grade shown? My guess would be yes but perhaps different percent in formula?
generally speaking, they just add some coloring and relabel the same thing.. maybe add some more "stuff"
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Re: Plastic Tank problems: Discussion thread, see info thread sticky for updates
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Quote from: Frisco on November 28, 2011, 09:58:29 AM
I agree 100% about getting one that won't expand - accidents I would think would be covered under ins (provided you carry comprehensive) - I think it would be a very limited market to be able to resell the replaced tank. I've also heard the coating isn't a 100% fix either and once you do that you void the waranty - I would keep getting replacments up until the 18 month expiration time period before coating one and hope that someone in the interim has come up a permanenteconomical fix by then. Just my thoughts.
It's bit too much to ask someone to read through 130 pages, but to give you the Cliff Notes:
1) Caswell coating
2) Dealers never checking before submitting claim
3) Some dealers giving erroneous information bordering on lies
4) Settlement
5) Ducatiz in a tutu
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November 28, 2011, 10:44:28 AM »
Quote from: duccarlos on November 28, 2011, 10:41:04 AM
It's bit too much to ask someone to read through 130 pages, but to give you the Cliff Notes:
1) Caswell coating
2) Dealers never checking before submitting claim
3) Some dealers giving erroneous information bordering on lies
4) Settlement
5) Ducatiz in a tutu
you wish, chulo!
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November 29, 2011, 08:02:01 AM »
Quote from: Frisco on November 28, 2011, 09:58:29 AM
I agree 100% about getting one that won't expand - accidents I would think would be covered under ins (provided you carry comprehensive) - I think it would be a very limited market to be able to resell the replaced tank. I've also heard the coating isn't a 100% fix either and once you do that you void the waranty - I would keep getting replacments up until the 18 month expiration time period before coating one and hope that someone in the interim has come up a permanenteconomical fix by then. Just my thoughts.
The thing is, I like to ride, and not spending time at the dealership replacing tanks or filing for multiple claims.
Also, to go to my dealership I have to basically take a day off each time.
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