GUN STUFF

[WarrenJ]

I have yet to see a CZ rifle that isn't ridiculously accurate - they are great guns and a tremendous value.

[ducatiz]

I have yet to see a CZ rifle that isn't ridiculously accurate - they are great guns and a tremendous value.

yeah, i second that.  those are very well made receivers and barrels. 

someone was selling barreled receivers from CZ a while back, maybe Dan Wesson?  I am not sure.  I wanted to get one in 762x39 as I had a pallet full of it...  that was before i went to knob creek though... :-/

[fastwin]

I'm not a big game/safari person but my brother is. A few years ago he went to Africa (can't remember where ) and one of his jumbo caliber big game rifles was a CZ. It was a beautifully made piece. Not in a "grade 6 wood/$20,000" way, but in a well made/fitted field gun kind of way. Like you would expect of a big bore safari gun. I was impressed with it. My only other CZ experience is 1970 era moto-cross bikes, CZ-75 9mm pistols and my buddy's .22 mag rifle. All are very postive experiences.

[The Bacon Junkie]

this is just me talking

most folks here will have a different POV

if you want the gun

buy the gun

buy it to use it

how much it costs initially

and

how much it costs to run it

is the price for enjoying it

if you are getting it because it is a deal and you want the deal more than you want the gun

dont buy it

I've been wanting to get back into shooting for awhile now. Before I moved cross country in '04 I had to sell one rifle, and my uncle has the Springfield in his safe back in CT. 

My buddy telling me about his Ruger kind of was like the catalyst for starting to actually look for a rifle again. 

I love the skill involved and even if I don't shoot anything but paper, I'd like to become proficient.  I was asking about price from a "I have no idea" standpoint.  If there's a better gun out there, I'd be interested if the price was right.  If the Ruger is as good as you're all saying, then if my buddy was serious about selling, I'd probably get that. 

Thanks again, Homies. 

[WarrenJ]

As far as I know, Ruger only made the 22 mag and 17HMR in the 10-22 for a very short time.  They no longer catalog either of the long rimfires in the 10-22.  They currently make them only in the 77-22 bolt action.  They also made the 22 mag in the 96-22 - a lever gun - for several years. 

Volquartson makes 10-22 style rifles in 22 mag but they are very pricey. 

I have a pair of the 10-22T models in 22 lr that I really like.  Very accurate for a semi-auto 22.  With good ammo, the gun will shoot about 3/8" at 50 yards if I am doing my job. 

[fastwin]

You absolutely, positively cannot go wrong with a Ruger 10/22. I have three and have shot a bazillion rounds out of them in .22LR and they all run like Swiss watches. There are even more goodies for them than there are goodies for Monsters. What does that tell you? Yeah, .22 mag is more expensive than .22LR but that's an apples and oranges comparison. EVERYTHING looks expensive compared to .22LR! Hell, it's damn near free it's so cheap. But .22 mag is a great little cartridge, you can't go wrong. I'm not really sure about 10/22 .22 mag magazine availability. I'm sure they are out there. 10/22 magazines in .22LR are everywhere, I'm surprised Hallmark card shops don't carry them! I just haven't ever needed to look for 10/22 .22WMR magazines.

Good luck with it! If the price is right then get it and shoot the hell out of it!

[rgramjet]

I'm not a big game/safari person but my brother is. A few years ago he went to Africa (can't remember where ) and one of his jumbo caliber big game rifles was a CZ. It was a beautifully made piece. Not in a "grade 6 wood/$20,000" way, but in a well made/fitted field gun kind of way. Like you would expect of a big bore safari gun. I was impressed with it. My only other CZ experience is 1970 era moto-cross bikes, CZ-75 9mm pistols and my buddy's .22 mag rifle. All are very postive experiences.

Wifey and I had dinner with a good client of hers and his wife.  Afterwards went back to their place for drinks and pool.  On the countertop of his man cave bar, was two boxes each of .378 and .416 Weatherby.  Impressive rounds they are.  Then I looked at a recoil chart......I just want to see someone shoot either one.  Ouch.

I'll stick with my 30-.06 featherweight.

[fastwin]

Yeah, I'm not into handgun or rifle cannons. Nothing I shoot at needs either one. If it needs more than .30-06 or 12 gauge I probably shouldn't be shooting at it anyway.

There was a legit reason for my brother's big bore CZ. Dangerous game deserves big bore rifles. I'm just not that mad at anything to travel that far and spend that kind of money. Just thinking about those kind of rifles makes my shoulder hurt.

[ducpainter]

I have yet to see a CZ rifle that isn't ridiculously accurate - they are great guns and a tremendous value.

I love my 527 FS in .223

[WarrenJ]

I've got a 527 FS that had the stock replaced with a standard length forend.  It shoots as well has my heavy barrel varminters as long as I use light bullets.  Once I swaged some real short 22 bullets that were 73 grains that shot real well but they had a large meplat and no boattail to work in the 1 in 12 twist.  I need to squish up some more of them for coyotes this winter.  I love that little handy rifle for coyote calling.

[ducpainter]

mine likes light bullets too.

[ducatiz]

mine likes light bullets too.

Makes sense with the pistol powder they use.

[WarrenJ]

Its really a bit of a misnomer that slow rifling twists require light bullets.  The real determining factor is bullet length.  The longer the bullet is, the faster it has to be spun to stabilize it in flight.  I've experimented with powdered tungstun cores in bullets and you can make a real heavy short bullet that will stabilize in slow twists.  

One bullet that really suprised me with this was the Barnes 165 grain .308 solid.  It shoots fantastically in my 30-06's and 300 Win's with 1 in 10 twists, but when shot from a 1 in 12 twist 308, it shot over 12" at 100, with oblong holes in the target.  The bullet, because it was less dense than lead (bronze) was longer than the 1 in 12 could stabilize.  Standard lead core 165's shoot great in that rifle.

You can make up for a little bit of twist by pushing the bullet faster also.  

[fastwin]

Interesting comment/observation regarding the bullet length vs barrel twist. Makes sense. I always thought of it as a weight issue. Not being a hand loader (my brother has that role in the family ) I had never looked at it in the way you mentioned. Thanks W for the inside tip.

[ducpainter]

Its really a bit of a misnomer that slow rifling twists require light bullets.  The real determining factor is bullet length.  The longer the bullet is, the faster it has to be spun to stabilize it in flight.  I've experimented with powdered tungstun cores in bullets and you can make a real heavy short bullet that will stabilize in slow twists.  

One bullet that really suprised me with this was the Barnes 165 grain .308 solid.  It shoots fantastically in my 30-06's and 300 Win's with 1 in 10 twists, but when shot from a 1 in 12 twist 308, it shot over 12" at 100, with oblong holes in the target.  The bullet, because it was less dense than lead (bronze) was longer than the 1 in 12 could stabilize.  Standard lead core 165's shoot great in that rifle.

You can make up for a little bit of twist by pushing the bullet faster also.  

Have you determined a max length that will work in a 1:12?