Veloce-Fino's 696 modification tracking thread (NEW PHOTOS Page-6 7/28)

[Veloce-Fino]

somethings not right in the parts then. no way you should have to push the rearset out like that. it changes the load it can carry due to the bolt length IMO

Are you referring to the space between the bracket and the swingarm mounting post thing?

The post sticking out of the swing-arm pivot looks like this from the side

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The bracket slides over the threaded smaller section leaving the thicker section exposed which creates that 1/4" gap

If you are referring to the small gap between the bolt and the bracket created by the stepped spacer, this is their design. I would probably have done it differently.

[Raux]

yes. how many threads are actually in the swingarm bolt...

[Veloce-Fino]

yes. how many threads are actually in the swingarm bolt...

Just removed the bolt to check this because it is a good point.

The bolt is entirely threaded with the exception of the distance created by the stepped spacer. It's roughly 3 threads worth that are not threaded in. Nothing I would need to worry about.

[lazylightnin717]

Very nice. I love the exhaust. Hopefully something will be avaiable for the s4 at some point.

I'm from the Lancaster area and rode with rombo rosso this past season. They are a great group of guys and I've learned a lot riding with some of the more experienced riders. Both you and asherrick should consider joining for next season. I would love to meet up with some others from this forum.

Keep up the good work

[Veloce-Fino]

Very nice. I love the exhaust. Hopefully something will be avaiable for the s4 at some point.

I'm from the Lancaster area and rode with rombo rosso this past season. They are a great group of guys and I've learned a lot riding with some of the more experienced riders. Both you and asherrick should consider joining for next season. I would love to meet up with some others from this forum.

Keep up the good work

I'm active on the rombo rosso forum but never paid membership fees. Are you a paid member? I'd love to meet up and ride in the spring time. They usually ride the 125 though.. sort of a hike from shippensburg. hour and a half just to get to the 125 for me.

[lazylightnin717]

I am a member of the club. We did our last ride 2 weekends ago up 125 and cut northeast to bills bike barn in Bloomsburg. We had two guys come out from Philly. We should definitely meet up in the spring time for a ride. I'm staring to plan my deals gap trip awhile if you are interested..

[mattc7]

Are you referring to the space between the bracket and the swingarm mounting post thing?

The post sticking out of the swing-arm pivot looks like this from the side

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The bracket slides over the threaded smaller section leaving the thicker section exposed which creates that 1/4" gap

If you are referring to the small gap between the bolt and the bracket created by the stepped spacer, this is their design. I would probably have done it differently.

I have NEVER seen a gap in any of the spacer on a 696 or 1100.  I've personally installed them on an 1100 and I have seen them on 2 696s, neither of which had spacers that required additional spacing.

weird

Also interesting.  That stepped spacer wasn't included with my kit, which was one of the first out of the factory.  I wonder if they have made a change that now requires it?  Would seem that they have begun to cut the hole for the axle larger (probably to make these slide on/off easier?), but still odd that extra spacing was required.

[Veloce-Fino]

I have NEVER seen a gap in any of the spacer on a 696 or 1100.  I've personally installed them on an 1100 and I have seen them on 2 696s, neither of which had spacers that required additional spacing.

weird

Also interesting.  That stepped spacer wasn't included with my kit, which was one of the first out of the factory.  I wonder if they have made a change that now requires it?  Would seem that they have begun to cut the hole for the axle larger (probably to make these slide on/off easier?), but still odd that extra spacing was required.

Talked to dennisd on the forums here, also a woodcraft 696 rearset owner.

Apparently woodcraft revised the rearsets a few months ago and if you contact them they are willing to provide revised parts to current owners.

As far as the spacers go.

Looking at the rearset, is there a gap behind the rearset between the bracket and the bike?

At the very top of this photo on the back side of the rearset you can see the space. Now the space you see is part of the mount that sticks out of the swingarm pivot and I can assure the rearset is pushed as FAR as possible onto the mount.
Are you referring to the space created by the stepped spacer in front of the main hex bolt?

[mattc7]

Talked to dennisd on the forums here, also a woodcraft 696 rearset owner.

Apparently woodcraft revised the rearsets a few months ago and if you contact them they are willing to provide revised parts to current owners.

As far as the spacers go.

Looking at the rearset, is there a gap behind the rearset between the bracket and the bike?

At the very top of this photo on the back side of the rearset you can see the space. Now the space you see is part of the mount that sticks out of the swingarm pivot and I can assure the rearset is pushed as FAR as possible onto the mount.
Are you referring to the space created by the stepped spacer in front of the main hex bolt?

Interested.  I sent Eric an email to see what other changes were made and why.  There are NO spaces at all on the older model, and seem to fit spot on.  I wonder what the reason for the change was

[Veloce-Fino]

Interested.  I sent Eric an email to see what other changes were made and why.  There are NO spaces at all on the older model, and seem to fit spot on.  I wonder what the reason for the change was

So aside from the stepped spacer they included with my kit, your rearsets fit exactly the same?

With that gap behind the rearset I highlighted in the photo?

[mattc7]

So aside from the stepped spacer they included with my kit, your rearsets fit exactly the same?

With that gap behind the rearset I highlighted in the photo?

Yes, there is the gap between the washer you added, and the swingarm. 

However, the washer you added top and bottom were not nearly required on mine. 

[Veloce-Fino]

Yes, there is the gap between the washer you added, and the swingarm. 

However, the washer you added top and bottom were not nearly required on mine. 

Ok good.

Raus mentioned that down bottom where you did not need washers and I did that there is a bracket mounted there with the stock cans that adds thickness. Because I don't have the stockers anymore I don't have this bracket which requires the use of added spacers.

It's been so long since I had the cans on that I dont remember. Could be the reason though.

I may remove the stepped spacers they provided, the way they push the hex bolt out makes the whole mount look less clean. If you didn't need them I may not either. Regardless, I'll be calling woodcraft on monday to clear this up.

At least the install is done for now. Went for a nice cold ride today (34F) and they felt great.

[mattc7]

Ok good.

Raus mentioned that down bottom where you did not need washers and I did that there is a bracket mounted there with the stock cans that adds thickness. Because I don't have the stockers anymore I don't have this bracket which requires the use of added spacers.

It's been so long since I had the cans on that I dont remember. Could be the reason though.

I may remove the stepped spacers they provided, the way they push the hex bolt out makes the whole mount look less clean. If you didn't need them I may not either. Regardless, I'll be calling woodcraft on monday to clear this up.

At least the install is done for now. Went for a nice cold ride today (34F) and they felt great.

There's no room for the spacer on the old bracket.  The swingarm rod rests exactly against the bracket, and the bolt screws down pressing against the bracket itself, no washer.

I'm interested to know why they altered them.  I have occasionally found it difficult to slide the bracket onto the shaft, which I was at one time doing once a week, to put the stock on so my girl could get a ride.  Now that I have S&P passenger rearsets, that's nolonger happening, and I haven't found any issue

[Veloce-Fino]

There's no room for the spacer on the old bracket.  The swingarm rod rests exactly against the bracket, and the bolt screws down pressing against the bracket itself, no washer.

I'm interested to know why they altered them.  I have occasionally found it difficult to slide the bracket onto the shaft, which I was at one time doing once a week, to put the stock on so my girl could get a ride.  Now that I have S&P passenger rearsets, that's nolonger happening, and I haven't found any issue

I noticed that when the rearset is installed and the hex bolt is not in place if you look at the bracket you will see there is a significant gap around the threaded section of the swingarm mount. This spacer fills in this gap which allows the weight of the rider to be spread over more surface area. This is just my guess, though it seems to make sense.

I did try installing the bracket without the spacer and it is NOT needed. If not used, I did NOT need to space the top out with a washer and the bottom only needed one washer instead of two for each bolt.

[asherrick]

I'm from the Lancaster area and rode with rombo rosso this past season. They are a great group of guys and I've learned a lot riding with some of the more experienced riders. Both you and asherrick should consider joining for next season. I would love to meet up with some others from this forum.

I'm definitely planning to join next season.  Can't wait to ride with some other guys.