New Ignitech TCIP4 In Need Of Assistance

[terse750]

So I got the laptop working!

Have not tried any advance yet.

I had it hooked up but didn't know how to set advance. Plus the laptop I'm using shuts off when unplugged.

So now its time to go back out in the 100degree heat and restart this dinosaur pc.

It's set up for 46-2 I think...when running it was registering

Advance 1 = 10

• /max 56
• 
  Advance 2 = 10
• /max 55
• 
  
  I have no clue what this means

[ducpainter]

Did you check the basic configuration?

[koko64]

You need to set the basic configuration. It should need the single pick up, two cyl, 4 stroke kind of description. I say this because the carbed bikes need the dual pick up setting and you have the single pick up ie motor. Thats a fair guess from here without seeing the readouts.

Check what Ignitech have used as a default setting and map for your bike. There are about three screen settings that give different info. There is one that shows the map over the rpm range. Click on the "read" setting to read the supplied map. Interested in what it says. 36 deg max advance sounds good with increments starting from 3 deg base advance. I dont know if the base advance of the ie flywheel and pick up is the same as the carbed bikes or different. Speeddog may know.

If you get totally lost, consider sending the unit to speeddog to be programed for your bikes particular set up. Then its plug and play. Definately worth an hours labour and postage freeing you to complete other tasks on the bike. While speeddog programs your Ignitech you can put 52 slow fuel jets in your carbs and set the needles, etc to his baseline.


I think you best read the bikeboy article on carbed ignition and Ignitech units if you want to do it yourself.

[Dirty Duc]

Click on the "read" setting to read the supplied map. Interested in what it says. 36 deg max advance sounds good with increments starting from 3 deg base advance. I dont know if the base advance of the ie flywheel and pick up is the same as the carbed bikes or different.

The FI bikes aren't really the same with a "base" advance.  It's all in the ECU (in this case the ignitech).  I don't know how they solve the problem (although I'd like to), but there's 48 teeth with two adjacent teeth missing running at cam speed.  The ECU counts teeth and calculates when the next tooth should arrive... When it doesn't, the next tooth to arrive is either 0 or 1 (depending on how the ECU likes math).  15 degrees per tooth, tooth is maybe 5-10 degrees wide.  Count on the back side of the tooth... but I forget which tooth is which cylinder.

[koko64]

I know what you are saying, I was trying to keep it simple. 
I guess with no flywheel lump, Ignitech are just running a calculated base/idle advance and reading rpm.
Anyway, if T cant map it or set it up, I would suggest sending it out while he works on other stuff. There are still 60 slow jets in those FCRs which may well be chokingly rich.

[terse750]

I've got to figure this thing out!

She won't even really start without a smaller then recommended plug gap.

The basic mapping is set for 48-2 but, the setting they seem to have set as a default shows 46-2.

I'll do some playing around tomorrow.

On another note,
The fcr's don't seem to fit right on the rubber housing.
The Mikuni's sit flat while the fcr's I still see the screw-in adapter.

[Dirty Duc]

I've never heard of a 46-2... it is likely they are referring to 46 teeth counted and 2 missing.  My background calls that 48 teeth minus 2.  If you spin the engine by hand with the sensor out and count the teeth, it will make more sense.  "toothed wheel" decoding is loads easier if the total numbers are easy divisors of 360.

[terse750]

So its definitely a mapping issue.

I had her hooked up a minute ago and made a few adjustments and boom...throttle!

But I'm not sure exactly what I did. Now she won't start. lol

I set the max advance on one pickup to around 30 and the base to 18?

She was sounding different so I opened the throttle and she was there!

Before I had a chance to set the other she died.

Plugs look fine, fuel is still flowing...

If I knew where to set the parameters

[ducpainter]

Pay attention...

http://www.bikeboy.org/ducati2vignition.html

read it.

[terse750]

At this point...I'm ready to give up.

If I knew someone (speed dog) can map this TCIP4 for my exact setup I WILL PAY! haha

It's clear to me now its not the carbs, vacuum leaks, or anything other than the Ignitech units mapping.

But she won't fire up unless the plug gap is .04 or smaller

now I'm having trouble even with a small gap to fire up

[Speeddog]

Let me see if I've got a way to test your setup.

I've got a carbie 750 with an Ignitech, but it's running the normal carbie triggers.

[terse750]

I'll do my best to understand that article and the manual.

But it made no sense to me the first go-round


One thing I have noticed, is that the unit I have has a 60-2 label on it but my default set-up for the program is 48-2?

[Dirty Duc]

Do your settings look like this?

[terse750]

@dirtyduc  Thats it!

The main difference is that in the drop-down menu its on "special setting"

[Dirty Duc]

You said you set Channel 1 to 18 max and 30 start?