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Has anyone installed a Triumph Thruxton style headlight fairing on their Monster? I'm considering this on my M.

(http://www.airtech-streamlining.com/images/TB85T~1.JPG)

(http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/photos/2004models/2004-TriumphTHRUXTONc.jpg)

(http://www.triumph.co.uk/images/thruxton_overview_main_2008.jpg)
Thoughts? Looks like it'd be a fairly simple bolt-on install.
Thanks,
Mark

Verify the headlight diameter on the Thruxton, as the Monster has a larger headlight than your typical cruiser. Most bikes max out around 7", but the Monster one is larger.

I'll definitely check into the diameter of the Triumph vs the Ducati headlights. Thanks for the input!

you could always swap headlights, too. if you're feelin' crafty [thumbsup]

I'd put money on it workin' perfectly.  No FHE, though...

Unfortunately the closest Triumph dealer isn't really local to me so i'll be posting on the RAT site for specs on the Thruxton headlight. If it seems like it'll work I'll try it this winter and post the result.
Thanks for the input everyone.
Mark
 :)

i would expect to do some custom signal bracketry for this trick.
looks like the thruxton fairing is going to intercept stock monster signals for sure.

So I found myself at my local Triumph dealer this morning, looking for stuff. I measured a Thruxton headlight at 7 7/8" between the headlight mounts. The lense itself is about 7" even. Don't have my Monster in front of me, but this should give you enough to finish evaluating this option.

Great! Thanks for the measurements. The stock M headlight is 7" with a slight flare out to the chrome ring making it 7 3/8" where the glass runs under the ring. The headlight mounts are 7 7/8" apart, same as the Thruxton, i suspect it should fit without too many problems.

I'm running non-stock LED turn signals with custom mounting brackets so i think I should be able to trim the fairing enough to clear them.

Monster projects are never done. 8)

what are turn signals? [laugh]

You know. The things that come as OEM equipment on every street vehicle made and NO ONE EVER USES!  [roll]

 ;D

The problem with indicators is on most bikes they don't self cancel and if you are getting old and forgetful it's easy to ride for miles with the dam things winking  :-[ :-[

This may be why so many old guys are on Harleys.  They have self canceling indicators that actually work.

We are (on Harleys ). And they do(work).

But unless there is some significantly (relatively speaking) lean angle and acceleration out of the corner - they don't work - otherwise they're great

On topic - I like that faring - can't wait to see it on your bike.

Self-cancelling signals are a great idea for street bikes. I wasn't aware that anyone did them at all. Leave it to cutting-edge HD to pioneer that technology. [laugh]

So, I have a Thrux mini fairing on the way. Should be here in 2 weeks and I'll try to do the install quickly after that.
Thanks for the replies.
 8)

Just found a 3inch taller thruxton headlight cowl custum made in Scotland, the address is www.thetankshop.com
i hope this is of help  [coffee]

Hi Geoff -
Thanks for the link. Some spiffy pieces for Triumph builds on that site.
I have already ordered the regular style Thrux fairing rather than this taller one. Hopefully it'll arrive soon so i can get to mounting it up on the Monster.
Cheers,
Mark

Be sure to post pics! [thumbsup]

Unfortunately I just got a call from the Triumph dealer that the fairing they brought in for me is the wrong one. It'll be another +2 weeks before they receive the right one and i've had a chance to install it. :(

Incredibly, the Triumph dealer received the wrong fairing AGAIN! ??? This time they actually sent it to me. It's a Bonneville fairing which I test-fitted before I noticed it was not the Thruxton fairing. It's going back to the Triumph dealer.

Good news: the Monster and Thruxton/Bonneville headlights are the same size and the brackets match up almost perfectly. When I eventually receive the correct fairing the install will be easy.
 :)

Third time lucky?

That's what I'm hoping for.
 ;)

Markus if only you had ordered from www.thetankshop.com in the 1st place  :'(i think the fairing would have been fitted and tested by now  ;)

 [coffee]

I know! I've ordered parts from 1/2 way around the world that have taken much less time to get here. [roll] Frustrating.

Those Tank Shop aluminum parts are really nice, but not quite the look I'm after with my bike. A bit too flash. You'll see when the fairing is fitted... the wait will be worth it!

Markus i'm only trying to get the british economy off the rocks   [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]

 [coffee]

Ha! I don't think the motorcycle parts industry is gonna keep that from happening [laugh] [cheeky] But I'd do my part if that fairing was a little shorter.
 ;)

Markus, any progress on the mini fairing?  I'd love to see how she looks mocked up.

Hi Bellagio. I still haven't received the replacement Thruxton fairing yet. Should be here in the next couple of days so as soon as it arrives I'll do a test-fit and snap some pics.

The fairing arrived this morning! I did a quick test fit this afternoon and I think it looks terrific. [thumbsup] As was the case with the Bonneville fairing, the Thruxton one fits nearly perfectly. I'll need to fab up a lower bracket and trim away some of the fairing material so it clears the turn signals (had to unhook them to test-fit the fairing). I thought there would be a clearance problem with my side damper but that seems to clear fine at full turn. Nice!

I'll be sanding off the checkerboard and re-clearing it. Might paint it the same colour at the rest of the bodywork although I'm not sure yet. As you can see in the pics, there's lot of snow on the ground so I have time to make that decision before spring's here.

Please excuse the messy garage... :-[

(http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r462/MarkSidler/Thruxton%20Fairing/Thrux1.jpg?t=1235766213)

(http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r462/MarkSidler/Thruxton%20Fairing/Thrux3.jpg?t=1235766251)

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 [moto]

looks VERY good... great thinkin! [clap]

Thanks! I'm really pleased with it. ;D
Couldn't believe how long it took to get the darn thing, and in the end it wasn't exactly what I ordered (I ordered plain black, but only the checkerboard version is available in Canada/US). A little sanding and paint work and it'll be done.

 Nice one Markus it looks the "DOG'S"   [clap] [clap] [clap]

 [coffee]

Very nice look, and I assume worth the wait - well done [thumbsup]



Wanna translate that for us Yanks ;)

i think it looks really good, dare i say better then the stock ducati fairings.

Thanks guys. I definitely like the look of it.

It'll remain to be seen if there's any improvement in wind deflection with the fairing vs without. I lowered my headlight so the fairing sits quite low as well. In hindsight I probably should have left the headlight in the stock position so the fairing would sit higher. Live and learn.
 :)

Looks good. Is there any way to remove the Triumph logo?

That looks awesome!

Looks nice, much better than stock IMO.  I still prefer the no flyscreen look but that's not bad.

"The DOGS BOLLOCKS!" = really very good & nice.  ;D


BTW, it does look really good, better than I thought that it would. Well done!  [thumbsup]

 [bacon]
 Very nice

Thanks ;D
Unfortunately the logo and checkerboard are clearcoated over so I'll have to sand and re-spray some of it. I originally ordered an all-black fairing but evidentally Triumph doesn't offer a solid colour one in North America. The checkerboard is the only option for the Thruxton fairing.

I suppose I could strategically place a Ducati logo over the Triumph one in a pinch. ;)

Um, that's a nice motorcycle. I really like the BST wheels.  Dropped headlight looks good. I hope it cuts some wind out for you, but hey your gauges are protected.

The flyscreen looks a lot like the Dart piece, similar shape and size. I've got the Dart and now am thinking about putting some dark tint on the backside. The Triumph part looks like it was meant for the Monster. Great bike man, when the snow outside melts and you get some sun, why not clean it up and provide us with some real glamour shots?

 [thumbsup]

That looks really nice! I've been following this thread since you first posted and I'm glad you finally got the part. VERY cool. You could always throw a Ducati Corse sticker over the Triumph logo and continue the checkerboard over the tank and cowl.  ;D

Hi bergdoerfer. I'd be happy to submit some pics with a greener background when the time comes. I'd like to think I'll be riding again in a month or so but that'll remain to be seen. ;D My Monster is about done now. The Thrux fairing is indeed similar to the Dart screen and is very cafe-looking. If you can somehow tint the Dart screen please post some pics as I'd like to see how it turns out!


Thanks Lance! I've been trying to build a sort of neo-cafe racer Monster so the checkerboard would definitley be in keeping with that theme. I'll do some photoshopping and see what it looks like.

The bike looks incredible with the thruxton fairing.  Well done.  I take it you chose to order a fairing from Triumph rather than getting the Airtech TB85T that you showed in your first post.  Besides the fact that it already comes painted, why did you order the OEM over the Airtech?  Thanks.

Soo...
Dog's bollocks = good.
Just bollocks = bad.
???

Correct.  ;)

Hi guys. Sorry for the late reply. I'm out of town for the week for work and didn't get online last night.

I ended up with the Triumph piece instead of the aftermarket one because, after factoring the US to Canadian exchange rate, shipping, customs duties, and painting (I've tried painting and wouldn't subject the fairing to that ;) ) I realized the price of the finished Triumph fairing was better. Even though I may have the OEM fairing refinished to remove the checkerboard I'll probably still be about even with the aftermarket one.

Thanks again for all the positive responses. I'm really happy with the fairing!
 ;D

eddie izzard had a bit on... exactly that... lol ;D

Just got back late last night from my latest work trip. It's good to be home!

I've decided to continue with the checkerboard theme and continue it down the tank and cowl. As for the Triumph decal, I'll just cover it over with a vintage style Ducati decal. That'll save a lot of work and effort. I'll post some pics when it's done.

I still have to fab up a small "L" bracket that will fix the lower part of the fairing to the lower triple. That should be really easy as i plan to run it under the headlight U-bracket bolts which fix the headlight bracket to the lower triple. I will post some pics of that if anyone's interested. I also have to contend with the turn signals so the fairing will be trimmed with my Dremel to accomodate them.

Other than those minor issues, I'd say this is going to be one of the easier modifications that really enhances the look of the Monster. If anyone is interested, the Thruxton fairing is part number A9748069, not to be confused with the Bonneville fairing (A9748021) which I was mistakenly shipped by the Triumph dealer. The two fairings are similar but not the same. The Bonneville fairing is available in solid colours if that makes a difference to you. Or you can opt for the Airtech Streamlining version (TB85T) and finish it yourself.
 :)

Sounds like a great plan, can't wait to see the pics.  [thumbsup]

I'd be interested in your progress.  I have actually decided to go with the Airtech route so I'm sure I'll be coming across a lot of the same issues.  I hope mine turns out as good as yours.

I have picked up a Sharkinz Thruxton track fairing for the monster race bike.  With the clipons I have on there are some clearance issues but a dremel will take care of that :) 

I will post pics when I get it mounted.

Hi guys. Nice to hear my little project has been a bit inspiring. ;D Please post some pics of your fairings when they're fitted. And if you come up with some tricky lower fairing support brackets please show them too.

My own install is on hold as I'm travelling for work again this week and next. I'll get back to it late next week when I'm home.
 :)

Always good to see a fellow Izzard fan!

Flag.

 [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]

Update: now with checkerboard stripes! They look really good, in my humble opinion anyway. Also the vintage style logo almost perfectly covers the Triumph logo so I lucked out there too. Finished off the tail with an Isle of Man decal my brother picked up for me while working there last fall.

Oh, and please excuse the messy background, and garage pics. :-[ We just got another +15csm from Old Man Winter so the Monster is still in hibernation mode.

(http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r462/MarkSidler/Thruxton%20Fairing/Checker1.jpg?t=1238004127)

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My cafe racer is almost complete.
[moto]

Very nice!

As someone said before, that faring looks better than oem.

Wow!  That looks great!!  [thumbsup]


Uhhh...yeah, right.   [roll]

 ;D

Thanks guys. It'll look even better when I can finally take it outside! Stupid winter >:(

No really, pompetta, I think it's almost done. Although I did have plans for those brake lines...

Nice one Markus it certainly looks the "DOG'S" [clap] [clap] but please never say it's finished because you know that never works for anybody with a fertile mind ;) ;)

 [coffee]

Nice work Markus -


 glad to hear it's "finished" [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]

'cept for those brake lines

I also really like how the fairing showing up with checkers modified your vision for the rest of the bike... I've never had a moment like that.  [roll]

Thanks guys!

Well, I was never really sold on the checkerboard look as I always found it a bit of a cliche for cafe bikes. But I'm really happy that Mr. Local Triumph Dealer was misinformed and the Thrux fairing showed up as it did. The final product is pretty darn cool.

Ok ok, so I have a few more things to tidy up before it's officially done. [cheeky]

Ehhh, it looks good together, but makes the bike look too British to me...

I like it a lot [thumbsup]



(not directed at only you, Sir [thumbsup])

 [evil] Shouldn't there be some sort of punishment for being so utterly naive  ;)

"done"??   "no more"??   "stays stock"??


....... public embarrassment, stand facing a corner, no riding privileges, anything else  [laugh]

Hey Markus... firstly, great job. Your bike looks amazing!

Secondly. How did you do the checker-boarding on the tank and tail?

Thanks!

I'll stop calling the build complete now  [laugh] [laugh]  Sorry guys.

To be honest, for a while I kind of lost interest in putting more time, effort, and money into the Monster after a third consecutive winter of upgrades and mods. However, I crashed the bike in June '08 and much of the the front end needed to be rebuilt as a result. I guess that renewed my interest in seeing it put back together the way I'd wanted to see it done all along.

Nakid - The fairing does change the look of the Monster and I can see where it might appear a bit too "British" for your taste. I personally like the look as I always saw the Monster as an updated version of the original "standard" twins of the '60s anyway. I can certainly see where the look might not be to everyone's preference. All good though and as my mother always said, "that's why there's chocolate and vanilla."
 :)
 

Thanks Dr Eti. I had a vinyl graphics company make up some decals in black and white checkerboard with silver borders to match the checkerboard that was already on the Thruxton fairing. The silver doesn't really turn out in the pics, but it's there. They're just long strips of checkerboard which I then put on the tank and cowl and trimmed where I needed to. Haven't clearcoated over the decals yet although I'll probably have that done professionally at some point.

The company which cut the decals is www.srsigndesign.com (http://www.srsigndesign.com). I've dealt with Scott of SR Sign Design in the past and he always produced great quality decals for my other projects. I emailed him what I needed inc. dimensions, etc and what you see is what he came up with. I can definitely recommend him if you're looking for custom work.
 [thumbsup]

Thanks Markus. Much appreciated... I have a similar, but much smaller project I want to do on my new M1100 black, that I get to pick up tomorrow!!!

I'll drop Scott a line once I've worked out exactly what I need... and eventually post pics if I don't screw it up.

Thanks again and happy riding!

Dave
(aka Dr Eti)

Congratulations on the new M1100 Dave! [thumbsup] And good luck with the mods. Definitely post some pics.
 :)

Hey, great work man, the bike looks great.  [thumbsup]

Thanks man!
 ;D

Markus,
great job. Very inspiring!

Do you know where can I by the Thuxton Mini Fairing online?

Thanks!

Thanks Monstro.
As for Triumph dealers who sell products online, I'm sure they're out there. Unfortunately I have no first hand experience with any of them though. I ordered my fairing through my local Triumph dealer here in the Atlantic Canada. I see from your profile that you're in Brasil... check www.triumph.co.uk (http://www.triumph.co.uk) for a Triumph dealer listing in South America. One of them may be able to help you.

For aftermarket options, Airtech Streamlining produces an aftermarket version (TB85T) which you might want to consider. www.airtech-streamlining.com/triumph/bonneville2001-06.htm (http://www.airtech-streamlining.com/triumph/bonneville2001-06.htm) It'll require finishing work (painting, etc).

Also, geoffsduc suggested www.thetankshop.com (http://www.thetankshop.com) in the UK who make beautiful aluminum cafe pieces. Their version is taller than the OEM fairing height though.
Good luck!
 :)

Looks awesome, glad you decided to continue with the theme.  [thumbsup]

your bike / fairing looks GREAT !!!

.. you have got me thinking of buying another DART flyscreen and painting it BLUE ;)

(http://i579.photobucket.com/albums/ss235/BumpaD_Z28/DUCATIbluepainted6.jpg)

~DaVe

Thanks guys! :)

Dave, a Dart screen painted to match your bike would be cool. [thumbsup] How about some photoshopped pics of that?

Dave,
I like your bike, but those Dart screens have never really done it for me. Can they be cocked back a little bit?

You could get a little more rearward angle by removing some material from the Dart bracket where it touches the headlight bracket.   Keep in mind, the Dart folks figured out the aerodynamics pretty well.

As stated by HOWIE, the brackets could be modified to allow more rearward angle ... BUT the wind protection that it provides is  [bacon]

(http://i579.photobucket.com/albums/ss235/BumpaD_Z28/March1520091stspringrideBW-1.jpg)

~DaVe

So I have not been able to make much progress with my attempt to install the Thruxton fairing.  I ordered the TB85T from Airtech (which takes 6 weeks to make and deliver).  I started getting ready to do some mock up on it (I have stock turn signals and need to make cut outs in the fairing to fit these) and noticed an irregularity in the piece.  It appears that someone took the mold out too soon as the left side of the faring has a slightly caved in section around the inlay where the bolt hole is.  So needless to say I regretfully sent the fairing back to Airtech for further inspection and probably will have to wait another 6 weeks for a new one to be made and delivered to me.  I'll keep you updated and post pics when I start making some progress.  I'm way too excited to do this project to be waiting this long, but I guess patience is something I need to learn eventually.  [moto]

I do like that.....

And it would be nice to have SOME sort of wind break....

But I have dual headlights.  Anyone know of a windscreen like that made for duals?

Ahh, the curse of the Thruxton style fairing. Sorry to hear about your woes. :( But it'll be worth the wait in the end.
 :)


I don't know of any fairing similar in style to the Thrux one that'll integrate with your duals. The Dart screen looks pretty good with dual headlights though. A few members here have that setup. Post a thread asking for pics and I'm sure someone will be happy to show their bike.

We've finally had some nice warm days here so I wheeled the Monster outta the garage today to snap some beauty pics. I'm really pleased with how the fairing and checkerboard turned out.

I also had the bike out for a short blast last night. The fairing provides a very minor amount of wind protection. However, my headlight is lowered by 2.5" so the Thrux fairing would probably do a slightly better job of protecting from the wind on a bike with the headlight in the stock position.

Have a look-see.
 ;D

(http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r462/MarkSidler/Cafe%20Monster/Cafe9.jpg?t=1241120867)

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 :)

Looks nice

Thanks Carlos
 :)

How's the club going my friend? Are you coming down for Indy this year?

The new club's coming along nicely man! We have a decent amount of interest among the local Duc rider/enthusiasts, and that's before the riding season has even opened up. We're all psyched for a decent season.

Indy is looking doubtful, unfortunately. I always have work commitments the last weekend of August so unless there's a miracle I'm probably out of luck. :-\ We'll see though. Where are you and the CDC crew staying this year?

It looks like we're camping next to the track this year. Much cheaper option. There's a slim chance I might go to Laguna, but that's still up in the air. You're going to need an excuse to head farther south to extend your riding season.

Camping close to the track is the way I'd do it if I was going. We stayed at the Red Roof Inn last year and it was a good 10mile drive to the track. Totally defeated the fun of bringing a cooler to the track and getting silly because someone had to be level-headed enough to manage the drive/ride home :-\ Being able to stumble back to a tent is definitely the way to go. [thumbsup]

Back on the cafe fairing topic, check these guys out: MAS Engineering. They make some really nice bolt-on cafe pieces from aluminum. No FHE with them but their products look really nice.

www.masengineering.it (http://www.masengineering.it)

(http://www.masengineering.it/MONSTER%2034.jpg)
 :)

Here is a pic of my monster with a Triumph Thruxton Fairing from sharkskinz.

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Oops... sorry killerniceguy. I didn't see that you replied to this thread until tonight.

The Thrux race fairing looks good on your S2R. [thumbsup] Are your gauges in the stock position above the triple? It looks like the fairing gives you a lot more wind protection than mine does with the lowered gauges and headlight. I ust put about 300kms on my Monster yesterday and there's next to no wind protection from my fairing. But it looks good ;)

Anyone with any info on how to ORDER from MAS?
I've been searching for their stuff forever!

Haven't you heard about MonsterParts.com?  8) http://www.monsterparts.com/pc/MAS-WS/Windscreens/MAS-WS.html (http://www.monsterparts.com/pc/MAS-WS/Windscreens/MAS-WS.html)

It looks like we're camping next to the clue this year. Much cheaper option. There's a abbreviate adventitious I ability go to Laguna, but that's still up in the air. You're traveling to charge an alibi to arch further south to extend your benumbed season.


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Nice ride Markus. [thumbsup]

uhh... what? ???

Thanks trouble!
 :)

My reaction as well.

 [laugh] [laugh]

Just say "NO" to drugs.   ;D

spammer banned (one of the other admins got him).   unless you wanted him around to buy flashlights from  ;D

So I posted a while ago about putting a thruxton style fairing on that I ordered from Airtech.  Well after being too busy riding all summer I finally got the time to take it out of the box and start fitting it.  I'll post some pics tonight after I snap a few, but I think its going to look pretty good.  I kind of regret keeping my stock signals b/c this means I have to cut into the fairing.  Oh well, live and learn.  What would you guys suggest using to make up the space between the existing fairing/headlight bracket and the wider fairing?  I was thinking about getting rubber washers to fill the void.  Any advice would be appreciated.  Thanks.

Missed your reply, Statler. Thanks for tossing the spammer. ;D
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goodedj: The Triumph fairing came with some rubber spacers which took up the distance between the stock headlight mount brackets and the fairing mount points. I'd suggest you get your hands on some similar ones to these. They'll be availabe in many diameters from your local hardware store.
(http://www.hookahhookah.com/hookahhookah_com_-_store2/images/T/Rubber%20Grommet.jpg)

Have you already trimmed the fairing to accomodate the stock signals? If not, you might consider upgrading the signals to aftermarket ones so you can avoid cutting the fairing up. Just a thought.

Good luck with the install. Post some pics when you're done.
 :)

I know this has gone quiet but I just wanted to get some advice on this, and Markus you seem like you've got some experience  [thumbsup]

I just bought this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TRIUMPH-THRUXTON-DUCATI-FAIRING-FLYSCREEN-WINDSCREEN_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem58853ffc65QQitemZ380192685157QQptZMotorcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TRIUMPH-THRUXTON-DUCATI-FAIRING-FLYSCREEN-WINDSCREEN_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem58853ffc65QQitemZ380192685157QQptZMotorcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories)

from ebay (which by the way, the person is using photoshoped pics of you bike btw) and just got it in my hands, it is a fiberglass replica that seems to be just a little bit bigger than yours. My question is, How did you secure the bottom of the fairing? did you have to drill an additional hole, or was there already a hole there.
Thanks!
Aarash