I purchased a 01' M900 S4 with 12,000 miles last month, came with Termi exhaust, ECU and BMC chopped filter box. I've had the chain and belts replaced at the Nashville Ducati service center 3 weeks ago. I made the 6 hour ride from Mississippi to Nashville today, I hit the straight away above Birmingham, and of course, I goosed it seeing what the Duc could do. I was left a little thrill less. I went from 5th to 6th hit little over 130, then tried 4th to 5th to 6th almost hit 140. Just doesn't seem right, not as quick as I remember when I first purchased but was too afraid to see what it could do. Now I'm comfortable with the bike, and am capable of pushing it, and I'm disappointed. I called a buddy who owns a few Kawi's, he said with it being a 900, it should easily hit near 160 depending on the gearing/sprockets. I'm thinking it may be the ECU in need of a remap, cause the bike smells of gas out the exhaust, so maybe it's too rich?
i could be wrong...but running a little rich doesn't = +/- 20 mph....
Your buddy may not be familiar with the early 900's, or the 900 twins-iirc, that only makes about 80 hp or so. I'm not sure you can go a whole lot faster with the wind resistance you would experience, either.
You see, you have this thing called a naked bike. That means that there are no fairings to deflect wind.
Then again, your buddies with the Kawasaki's are the experts on all twin engines, they obviously know that any bike with a displacement bigger than a 600 will easily do 180+ fo sho.
The problem with having an aforementioned naked bike is something called aerodynamics (*pronounced arrow dynamics*).
As your speed increases, drag from wind resistance goes up exponentially. (Refer to a middle school math textbook to learn about this), which means, that you need plastics to reduce something called "drag coefficient" on your vehicle. Seeing as your monster does not have fairings to do this, you have to expend much more power fighting the wind resistance than your squid buddy in his kawazukihonda.
Oh and Btw, there is no such thing as a M900 S4. M900 is a 2 valved engine, while your S4 have 4 valves, hence the 4 on *S4*.
Squid
Do you really WANT to go 160 on a naked bike? How many times are you going to have the opportunity to go 160 safely? Wouldn't you rather put your friend to shame by smoking in the twisties instead? Any idiot can go fast in a straight line and the only thing that factors in is your bike. Twisties require skill in addition to bike performance.
I think 140 sounds about right for the top speed of the '01 m900. It sounds like you would appreciate a Suzuki Hyabusa much more than the Ducati. It'll go a lot faster in a straight line.
Also, El Matador is right, there is no such thing as a m900 S4. I think your bike is an S4 but that would put it's size at 1000cc, not 900.
if you are going for top-speed you bought the wrong bike
a while back i seem to remember someone posting a wager that a monster will not break 140mph.
Your buddy has a Japanese Inline 4 - although Engine CC's may be equivalent, just the nature of a twin vs. a high-revving I4 is different.
if you want top-speed go buy a hayabusa, leave your bike to those who enjoy torque
Ain't you guys being a little harsh on the newb?
Holy crap! Randall bred.
Run.
For.
Your.
Lives.
Ok, seriously now . .
Your buddy sounds like he doesn't know very much about different types of bikes and engine configurations. (Edit: coupla people said this already while I was typing)
916cc twin is different than 900 I-4.
Naked bike is different then a fairinged bike.
Ducati is different than Kawasaki.
I'm sorry to say that if you're looking for straight line speed, you bought the wrong bike. A Japanese literbike or a 'busa or zx14 is a much better choice and can be had for relatively cheap. (Your Kawi buddy is also used to bikes whose gearing screws up the speedo (unlike Duc speedos). Those bikes can always do 180+ [roll] ). That said, we have a fine, upstanding gentleman on this board says he make the beast with two backsed Paris Hilton and went 140mph on a 620 Capirex, so mebbe we're wrong. <shrug>
Ok, tech stuff . . . If you're smelling gas, there's a chance it's running too rich, though it has nothing to do with it running only 140. The nice thing about a naked bike is that the spark plugs are really easy to pull. Take 'em out and examine 'em. Then come back and tell us what you found. You're looking for black/brown carbon. Do they smell like gas?
Other than your concerns about top speed and the smell of gas, is there anything else about the way the engine delivers power that feels off? If not, it may just be a fuel mixture problem. There isn't a need for whole remap of the ECU.
Quote from: MrIncredible on March 30, 2009, 08:58:41 PM
Ain't you guys being a little harsh on the newb?
I tried not to be. I also tried to be helpful though.
Wow, I also found this cool link while looking up information on his bike.
http://www.ducatimonster.org/faq/faq_model_comparison.html (http://www.ducatimonster.org/faq/faq_model_comparison.html)
Anything over about 110 on my monster and I feel like I'm going to fly off the back or get shaken to death. I think I've had my 695 up to about 120 indicated for about 30 seconds or so, and then backed down to about 90. Top speed on any Monster is not what they are about IMHO. Nothing beats a Duc in the twisties. It's the first 100mph that are the most fun anyway.
Quote from: erkishhorde on March 30, 2009, 09:04:46 PM
Wow, I also found this cool link while looking up information on his bike.
http://www.ducatimonster.org/faq/faq_model_comparison.html (http://www.ducatimonster.org/faq/faq_model_comparison.html)
I've got an updated version of that for the DMF that I've been working on. I'm pretty sure it'll never get completed, but I hold out hope. ;D
Quote from: Spidey on March 30, 2009, 09:07:15 PM
I've got an updated version of that for the DMF that I've been working on. I'm pretty sure it'll never get completed, but I hold out hope. And booooooo on you for linking to a VS site. [evil]
[laugh] [laugh]
I hope that your list is never completed since that could mean that they stopped making monsters. ;)
Oh, and where's the link to YOURS, huh? :P
I recall some sort of Ducati documentation saying M900 S4. [coffee]
I recall seeing about 140 indicated on my bike about 5 years ago up in the desert.
Very windy.
Haven't cared to go anywhere near that fast since.
Quote from: erkishhorde on March 30, 2009, 09:08:51 PM
Oh, and where's the link to YOURS, huh? :P
Right here . . . www.Iamapedophile.com
Go ahead. Click on it. Preferably on a work computer. [evil]
Quote from: Speeddog on March 30, 2009, 09:13:34 PM
I recall some sort of Ducati documentation saying M900 S4. [coffee]
I recall seeing about 140 indicated on my bike about 5 years ago up in the desert.
Very windy.
Haven't cared to go anywhere near that fast since.
I think you're right about the name/model, Nick.
And the idea that 140 bugged you of all people, Speeddog, is crackin' me up. [laugh]
My bike will only go 126...
Should I get a 600?
The lack of an ambulance and the possibility of who knows what poppin' out of the bushes, changes my perspective. ;D
Totally off-topic (sorry, OP), but here's some high speed desert nostalgia for ya, Speeddog . . .
(http://www.eurospares.com/bonnvill/yamv.jpg)
Better pic, fully clothed and full tilt boogie:
(https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3281/2830750541_f1678b42fc_o.jpg)
Quote from: Speeddog on March 30, 2009, 10:15:48 PM
Better pic, fully clothed and full tilt boogie:
is that air cooled ...?
stupid q but how fast DID it go?
3ird stupid q; wheres the shifter .....!?
Quote from: Speeddog on March 30, 2009, 09:13:34 PM
I recall some sort of Ducati documentation saying M900 S4. [coffee]
ive heard the same... The reason why the Op said m900 S4 is because thats whats on his title. S4's were built from left over Vin numbers that were suppose to be m900's.
On my S2R1000 title, its listed as a m1000s and i believe thats whats on my seat/frame sticker as well.
Did your buddy help you huff those gas fumes coming out of the exhaust?
137 sounds about right. My 99' M900 w/ flatslides and Hi-comps will hit 135 on the GPS. I think it would do more but the gearing is limiting (15 front 41 rear). Stops accelerating about 1000 rpms after the corrosponding peak on the dyno chart.
My M900 has Ferrachi pistons, stage 2 jetting, open airbox, exhaust, ect and will run out of breath just over 130MPH indicated. Its the 0-100 thats fun though. (http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll161/porschaholic/smileys/trollbanner.gif)
i've done >120 on both my monster and my '95 900sp. i do NOT like it on the monster, i feel like one of those torn flags in a hurricane. the wind buffeting is crazy. my s2r has the little bikini fairing on the front and it vibrates very rapidly.. i considered putting a drink shaker on it.
I can only get my 750 up to 115 max and that is with arrow`s, custom mapped pcIII, and K&N. It`s plenty fast. If I get to the level that requires me to go faster it will be on the track on a different bike.
First off, thank you for all the replies, second, to the biters, remove teeth kindly, now please.
Ok, as I may or may not have stated, this is my first real bike, I knew from research what they were capable of in the turns. Hell I wanted to go to Rally school, I HATE quarter mile, NASCAR. I never intend to own anything Japanese other than a car. It's either Ducati, Aprilia, Bimota or KTM for me. I just assumed that the bike would top out a little more, and I guess with it possibly running a bit rich, may be the culprit. So now I know a few more things to look at.
Dont feel bad, pal of mine just couldn't seem to wrap his head around the fact that his 1200cc Buell Lightning was no where near the speed and acceleration of his friend's 1000cc GSXR, or the wheelie popping torque of our bud's 1100cc Hyper. It took alot of explaining ( and finger jabbing) before he realized cc's dont determine overall performance.
Quote from: fouramdesigns on March 31, 2009, 07:35:58 AM
First off, thank you for all the replies, second, to the biters, remove teeth kindly, now please.
Ok, as I may or may not have stated, this is my first real bike, I knew from research what they were capable of in the turns. Hell I wanted to go to Rally school, I HATE quarter mile, NASCAR. I never intend to own anything Japanese other than a car. It's either Ducati, Aprilia, Bimota or KTM for me. I just assumed that the bike would top out a little more, and I guess with it possibly running a bit rich, may be the culprit. So now I know a few more things to look at.
So is it a M900 or an S4? Very different Monsters.
Quote from: fouramdesigns on March 31, 2009, 07:35:58 AM
First off, thank you for all the replies, second, to the biters, remove teeth kindly, now please.
Ok, as I may or may not have stated, this is my first real bike, I knew from research what they were capable of in the turns. Hell I wanted to go to Rally school, I HATE quarter mile, NASCAR. I never intend to own anything Japanese other than a car. It's either Ducati, Aprilia, Bimota or KTM for me. I just assumed that the bike would top out a little more, and I guess with it possibly running a bit rich, may be the culprit. So now I know a few more things to look at.
I am really trying not to be an ass here, but you bought your first bike a month ago, and you're trying to get it to 160? On public roads?
You need to sit your ass down and beat some sense into yourself, or you will end up as a bug splatter somewhere. I hope that at least you're wearing gear, so when you go down being a squid, you may eventually be able to function again.
Judging from the picture of his bike in his introduction thread, I'd say it's an S4. But, the title might say m900 S4 as previously stated. Stupid Ducati being cheap. [roll] :P
(https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3570/3380598897_85ef8bef16_o.jpg)
I don't have a fairing either and I don't particularly like anything over 110. 140 wouldn't be fun at all.
Quote from: erkishhorde on March 31, 2009, 09:52:55 AM
Judging from the picture of his bike in his introduction thread, I'd say it's an S4. But, the title might say m900 S4 as previously stated. Stupid Ducati being cheap. [roll] :P
(https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3570/3380598897_85ef8bef16_o.jpg)
Ahh yes, the S4, the perfect beginner bike, second only to the r6.
Quote from: Ducaholic on March 31, 2009, 09:44:52 AM
So is it a M900 or an S4? Very different Monsters.
It's a Monster S4, as stated above, it was titled as a M900 S4, and I've also saw it refered to as such on the other Monster board.
Quote from: El Matador on March 31, 2009, 09:52:34 AM
I am really trying not to be an ass here, but you bought your first bike a month ago, and you're trying to get it to 160? On public roads?
You need to sit your ass down and beat some sense into yourself, or you will end up as a bug splatter somewhere. I hope that at least you're wearing gear, so when you go down being a squid, you may eventually be able to function again.
Yes it was stupid, and yes I have gear. I was just seeing what the beast could do. I need to take him to the track for such beatings. Thank you, sincerely, for the concern. I think most of you would be quite proud of how I've progressed quite quickly in riding. Still, lot's to learn on the curves, and respect to be given to the power of my bike.
Quote from: fouramdesigns on March 31, 2009, 10:02:58 AM
Yes it was stupid, and yes I have gear. I was just seeing what the beast could do. I need to take him to the track for such beatings. Thank you, sincerely, for the concern. I think most of you would be quite proud of how I've progressed quite quickly in riding. Still, lot's to learn on the curves, and respect to be given to the power of my bike.
Depending on where you are, you can take a track school. They allow you to learn as much as possible in a safe environment, some of them even provide bikes for you, such as CSS. I'm not sure where in Miss you can find a good track school, though.
When you're starting to ride, taking your bike to the track roughly equates to 6 months of street riding experience. I have a 996 that has been relegated to track ho duty. I couldn't be happier.
Ride safe!
EM
Pick up some books if you have not already twist of the wrist and lee parks total control are both chock full of good info.
Quote from: fouramdesigns on March 31, 2009, 09:59:08 AM
It's a Monster S4, as stated above, it was titled as a M900 S4, and I've also saw it refered to as such on the other Monster board.
Now knowing that it's an S4 and not a 900, yes it should top out above what you're seeing. (That's assuming that it has stock gearing.)
Before I added a slightly larger sprocket to the rear of mine, I saw 147 indicated once.
how you guys know how fast you went?
i cant look at the speedo above 110, thing come up to fast on ya...
go ride twisties, not slab...
dont "see how fast it will go" cause you gunna die, you have not enough experience
go do track days. be safe. have fun.
+1 learn how to ride the thing. Anyone can grab a handfull of throttle and go in a straight line. You have to learn how to be smooth, use the brakes, corner and all that stuff. A track day would do wonders for you and you will really begin to appreciate your Duc. Make sure you have all the gear, not just a helmet. If your have the urge to open that thing up, find a good stretch of deserted back country road. Don't do it on the highway where there are other cars around or you may be labeled as a (http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll161/porschaholic/smileys/squid.gif)
Quote from: Alexandre on March 31, 2009, 11:42:46 AM
how you guys know how fast you went?
i cant look at the speedo above 110, thing come up to fast on ya...
go ride twisties, not slab...
dont "see how fast it will go" cause you gunna die, you have not enough experience
go do track days. be safe. have fun.
+1 well put. And people are being too hard on the guy. I've cranked the throttle once or twice to see what it had myself. It's only natural. After you see what it's got then you've seen what it's got. Few intelligent people make it a habit on public roads what with all the jackass drivers pretending they don't see you.
off topic, but I've always wondered where the oil cooler was on the S4/916 bikes, is it omitted?
Nice bike, I like it, hope you enjoy it and remember to keep it shiny side up
on the autobahn did 180 kph on the 696. but that's just to keep from getting run over [moto]
Quote from: bergdoerfer on March 31, 2009, 12:05:51 PM
off topic, but I've always wondered where the oil cooler was on the S4/916 bikes, is it omitted?
Nope, no oil cooler from the factory on the S4.
man there is an obscene amount of tough love oozing off my screen from reading some of these posts [laugh]
+1. shit is little harsh around here at times. Some folk need to take the price tag off the halo if ya know what I mean.
Quote from: Alexandre on March 31, 2009, 11:42:46 AM
how you guys know how fast you went?
i cant look at the speedo above 110, thing come up to fast on ya...
go ride twisties, not slab...
I've glanced at my instruments while in a long sweeper doing near 100 with my knee down at the track. Its not gonna kill yah to glance at your guages going fast if you are in control. I wouldn't recommend staring at your guages for long periods of time at any speed, but its not that difficult to take a look, specially if you are in a straight line on slab.
S4 is spot on at 137mph it wont go much faster due to wind resistance , i geared mine for 130mph max now but it once was able to just hit 140mph.
Quote from: Jester on March 31, 2009, 04:29:52 PM
I've glanced at my instruments while in a long sweeper doing near 100 with my knee down at the track. Its not gonna kill yah to glance at your guages going fast if you are in control. I wouldn't recommend staring at your guages for long periods of time at any speed, but its not that difficult to take a look, specially if you are in a straight line on slab.
I always taped up the speedo at the track, so dont know about that.
On the street, there a lot more variables that you needs your eye on (dog in the road, pothole, LEO, motorists, kids, rock, etc)
I've got an S4, 135 or so seems about it. I just sold my brother a CBR900RR, that will do an indicated 168 or so. More than fast enough. I've had all the big top end number bikes. Have you ever gotten a felony speeding ticket? I did. 137 on a CBR1000F, the old sport tourer, it would do about 165 topped out. That ticket cost a $1600 fine, 180 days in jail, can't buy guns anymore, although they told me I could get a modification after a few years, it's been 7. Oh yeah, I didn't stop either. They came to my house. Use me for an example, it really isn't worth it. I did 77 out of the 180, the rest on home detention/work furlough. Work furlough is $27.00/day in Monterey County, so $27.00 x 103 days is $2781. Plus $5000 for a lawyer. That was a real expensive day. Don't do it.
Quote from: corndog67 on March 31, 2009, 05:19:21 PM
I've got an S4, 135 or so seems about it. I just sold my brother a CBR900RR, that will do an indicated 168 or so. More than fast enough. I've had all the big top end number bikes. Have you ever gotten a felony speeding ticket? I did. 137 on a CBR1000F, the old sport tourer, it would do about 165 topped out. That ticket cost a $1600 fine, 180 days in jail, can't buy guns anymore, although they told me I could get a modification after a few years, it's been 7. Oh yeah, I didn't stop either. They came to my house. Use me for an example, it really isn't worth it. I did 77 out of the 180, the rest on home detention/work furlough. Work furlough is $27.00/day in Monterey County, so $27.00 x 103 days is $2781. Plus $5000 for a lawyer. That was a real expensive day. Don't do it.
Good information!
mitt
Whoa corndog, quite a cautionary tale. Do you think it would have turned out differently if you had stopped?
Quote from: bergdoerfer on March 31, 2009, 07:09:03 PM
Whoa corndog, quite a cautionary tale. Do you think it would have turned out differently if you had stopped?
It would if I was the one chasing him. [cheeky]
The way I saw it (and I had a different way of thinking back then), was that I was going to jail anyway, anything over 100 can be considered wreckless and you go to jail (it's up to the cop), I did get away, buy they had a pretty good description, a bright red CBR Honda with really bright powder coated white wheels, the Marina cops knew the bike by description, and 20 minutes later they, and the Highway Patrol were at my house. I denied everything, but they did have the right guy. And I find out later, from friends, that the cop that arrested me used to do the same thing. Funny, huh? I had gotten away with it probably 75 times, been caught once. Last time I did that.
And that is why I don't really need or want a 180 mph bike anymore. And that's the absolute truth.
I hear you.
My younger brother did something similar.
at least you figured it out.
A very expensive lesson. And I know more about the Norteno and Sureno gangs in Monterey County Jail than I ever wanted to know!!!
i've reached 238km/h on my 06 s2r1k, arrows system, open box and fatduc manipulator. I would have thought the 916 motor would be good for more than that. Standard gearing. Did not hit rev limiter.
Quote from: corndog67 on March 31, 2009, 08:54:49 PM
The way I saw it (and I had a different way of thinking back then), was that I was going to jail anyway, anything over 100 can be considered wreckless and you go to jail (it's up to the cop), I did get away, buy they had a pretty good description, a bright red CBR Honda with really bright powder coated white wheels, the Marina cops knew the bike by description, and 20 minutes later they, and the Highway Patrol were at my house. I denied everything, but they did have the right guy. And I find out later, from friends, that the cop that arrested me used to do the same thing. Funny, huh? I had gotten away with it probably 75 times, been caught once. Last time I did that.
And that is why I don't really need or want a 180 mph bike anymore. And that's the absolute truth.
Damn,
I got pulled over doing 110 indicated on my s2r800 (dont know if he clocked me or not). I pulled over for him. Let me go with a warning.
Hey, I'm just happy to know my bike isn't broke, running ill or a sissy.lol I'm quite happy with the thing. If I can get this fuel issue ironed out, I'm stoked.
Quote from: causeofkaos on March 31, 2009, 12:47:58 PM
man there is an obscene amount of tough love oozing off my screen from reading some of these posts [laugh]
I think people are dying for a good topic to post on and this happened to be first chance in awhile. 4 pages of posts in a few days. ;D
Quote from: Goat_Herder on April 01, 2009, 09:20:37 AM
I think people are dying for a good topic to post on and this happened to be first chance in awhile. 4 pages of posts in a few days. ;D
In the immortal words of Bonnie Raitt, "Let's Give Em Something To Talk About".......
Quote from: fouramdesigns on April 01, 2009, 12:48:32 PM
In the immortal words of Bonnie Raitt, "Let's Give Em Something To Talk About".......
[beer]
If you are driving from Mississippi to Nashville, you need to call Alain at Corse Motorsports and arrange work to be done. He's a great mechanic, and beyond making it run right, he'll get you information about track days at Barber Motorsports in Birmingham, AL. Not far, at all, from Mississippi (ask me how I know - From Nashville, lived in Memphis, used Alain's shop, been to Barber, driven through missippippi and bama to get to athens, ga from memphis regularly).
That should pretty much answer all your questions. To chime in on the theme of the board, can't condone fast-straight-aways speed on the slab. its amateurish, dangerous, and it jeopardizes my rights as a motorcyclist every time somebody does this. Bad PR.
I only wound my box stock M800 Dark out once, at the track. Wind wasn't really all that bad. It was only doing 115 indicated. That seemed a little low. And also boring. After lap 3 the long straight was just boring, boring, boring. The corners and the back straight with a chicane were great. I suppose it might be more exciting on a public road with the higher chance of collision and arrest. I prefer twisty roads between 30 and 70mph.
A good track day will let you wind the bike out and teach you how to ride better.
Scott
Quote from: scott_araujo on April 05, 2009, 11:07:23 PM
I only wound my box stock M800 Dark out once, at the track. Wind wasn't really all that bad. It was only doing 115 indicated. That seemed a little low. And also boring. After lap 3 the long straight was just boring, boring, boring. The corners and the back straight with a chicane were great. I suppose it might be more exciting on a public road with the higher chance of collision and arrest. I prefer twisty roads between 30 and 70mph.
A good track day will let you wind the bike out and teach you how to ride better.
Scott
[thumbsup] [thumbsup]
well i hit 190km/hr about 118mph today going into a strong headwind. 696 with 14t sprocket. about 8100-8200 rpm, didn't look down long enough to read it that well. next time i'll have the digital tac on.
open stretch of autobahn. completely legal [thumbsup]
tell you what.. going any faster than that... i'll need to strap myself on. so can't understand how you did 137 without being torn off the bike by the wind.
oh and still had to move over for some nice cars to pass. my favorite is when the station wagon a dad was made to buy is really an Audi S6 Avant... bet the wife never saw that coming when she said they should buy a family car.
Quote from: Raux on April 06, 2009, 02:46:15 PM
my favorite is when the station wagon a dad was made to buy is really an Audi RS6 Avant... bet the wife never saw that coming when she said they should buy a family car.
580 PS V10... ultimate sleeper ;D
I usually have trouble being comfortable past 80 on the slab... but it gets really windy here and the autobahn is marble smooth in comparison.
Blacktop is another story... :-X
+1 for Alain at Corse Motorsports (http://www.corsemotorsports.com/ (http://www.corsemotorsports.com/)). Alain is one of the best Ducati techs in the Southeast and he is less expensive that the other Ducati alternative. One other point to ponder is the way the S4 is geared. Many S4 owners drop a tooth on the front sprocket or add teeth to the back sprocket to increase acceleration and rideability. The change in gearing will reduce top end speed of the bike. I changed the rear sprocket on my M900 S4 to a 45 tooth and I noticed a big reduction in top end speed, I was actually able to use 6th gear. After the mod I loved the trade off on the back roads of Tennessee due to the fact that the bike was much quicker at real world speeds.
Quote from: HB3 on April 07, 2009, 09:29:33 AM
+1 for Alain at Corse Motorsports (http://www.corsemotorsports.com/ (http://www.corsemotorsports.com/)). Alain is one of the best Ducati techs in the Southeast and he is less expensive that the other Ducati alternative. One other point to ponder is the way the S4 is geared. Many S4 owners drop a tooth on the front sprocket or add teeth to the back sprocket to increase acceleration and rideability. The change in gearing will reduce top end speed of the bike. I changed the rear sprocket on my M900 S4 to a 45 tooth and I noticed a big reduction in top end speed, I was actually able to use 6th gear. After the mod I loved the trade off on the back roads of Tennessee due to the fact that the bike was much quicker at real world speeds.
Maybe worth exploring, but I travel a lot back and forth. Thank you for the input.
OK, "your bike doesn't top out at 137mph...."
Probably around 125 mph, 'cause there's about a +10% error with most bike speedos... [leo]
Think about it the B-king has a 1340cc engine and makes around 160 RWHP. It tops out at around 170mph
The Hayabusa using the same 1340cc engine is restricted to 186mph and unrestricted hits 200MPH with ease.
pretty much the same bikes but when you add the fairing, the drag coefficient drops and the bike goes faster.
Quote from: Sause on April 23, 2009, 09:51:26 AM
unrestricted hits 200MPH with ease.
and much faster with some fairly straightforward modifications. :o
Quote from: ato memphis on April 23, 2009, 09:58:51 AM
and much faster with some fairly straightforward modifications. :o
the #1 being a rider who cuts out beer and pancakes in his diet.
:(
you autobahn guys completly suck you get to do that legally [bang] [bang] [bang]
wow that story with the felony speeding that sucks, that is a lesson for everyone, i got pulled over with 110 indicated, 98 clocked, got off with a warning bc i pulled over as soon as i saw the lights and explained "hey i was being a dumbass i just cleaned the bike and got carried away"
also question: wouldnt' the bike running rich actually be "good" at higher rpm if you were trying to go fast? sure gas mileage will suffer but more fuel usually means more power to an extent right? correct me if i'm wrong.
Quote from: sbrguy on April 23, 2009, 10:31:04 PMalso question: wouldnt' the bike running rich actually be "good" at higher rpm if you were trying to go fast? sure gas mileage will suffer but more fuel usually means more power to an extent right? correct me if i'm wrong.
a "rich" mixture implies a deviation from stoichiometric AFR (ideal), so it's only really advantageous when adequate cooling is a concern.
(note the difference between more gas (WOT) and more gas than air (rich))
Quote from: sbrguy on April 23, 2009, 10:31:04 PM
you autobahn guys completly suck you get to do that legally [bang] [bang] [bang]
wow that story with the felony speeding that sucks, that is a lesson for everyone, i got pulled over with 110 indicated, 98 clocked, got off with a warning bc i pulled over as soon as i saw the lights and explained "hey i was being a dumbass i just cleaned the bike and got carried away"
if ONLY that was a common situation.
the only time i got pulled over for going over (70 in a 50) the guy stopped when i took off the helmet and took out the keys and said "i wasn't expecting a guy over 20!".. yeah, i'm over 20.
rich ≠go fast
lean = go fast
lean = go boom, too.
Like with two strokes, the leaner the meaner. In reality, you really want the closest to stoichiometric possible. As in, proper ratio for complete burn.
this has been an interesting topic....I have taken my Rs over 130 a couple times and its a freaking handful, with no fairings your bike wants to do what ever the hell it wants.
I have to agree with who said it...with a monster it is all about the dash TO 100 [drink]
Ducati Monster 696cc L-twin @ 80hp, no fairings, wind resistence. 137 top speed is actually pretty good and the 696 only really gets that because it only weighs 355 lbs dry. Compare that to a HD Sportster 883cc V-twin @ a measly 55hp, is heavier and won't even go as fast as the Monster 696
Compare to a Kawasaki ZX6R 600cc inline 4 @ 130hp, full fairings for wind resistence which can get to 137 in 3rd gear without even trying and a top speed of around 160.
Motorcycle engines of different types and configurations are not created equal. Yes, a 696cc can be slower than a 600cc and a 883cc can be slower than both a 600 and 696 and a 600cc can even be faster than some 1200ccs out there. You need to study what you buy before it is assumed that all bikes with the same engine dispalcement have the same top speed and so on.
Kind of should of looked at the Ducati 848? 1198? if you want a speedy supersport and not a standard bike like a Monster. Kind of why you don't see Ducati racing Monsters in the MotoGP
Quote from: Raux on April 06, 2009, 02:46:15 PM
well i hit 190km/hr about 118mph today going into a strong headwind. 696 with 14t sprocket. about 8100-8200 rpm, didn't look down long enough to read it that well. next time i'll have the digital tac on.
open stretch of autobahn. completely legal [thumbsup]
tell you what.. going any faster than that... i'll need to strap myself on. so can't understand how you did 137 without being torn off the bike by the wind.
oh and still had to move over for some nice cars to pass. my favorite is when the station wagon a dad was made to buy is really an Audi S6 Avant... bet the wife never saw that coming when she said they should buy a family car.
update: 210 KPH today. 130 MPH.
Quote from: Raux on May 07, 2009, 12:43:15 PM
update: 210 KPH today. 130 MPH.
Sorry to burst your bubble.
130 mph = 117 mph
10% error in speedo
Quote from: Raux on May 07, 2009, 12:43:15 PM
update: 210 KPH today. 130 MPH.
Man, you randalled the hell out of that bike.
Quote from: El Matador on May 07, 2009, 12:56:12 PM
Sorry to burst your bubble.
130 mph = 117 mph
10% error in speedo
ok why is that? where is that figure from? and not really bursting a bubble... it's still freaking fast :D
Quote from: Raux on May 07, 2009, 01:32:49 PM
ok why is that? where is that figure from? and not really bursting a bubble... it's still freaking fast :D
It is pretty well known that all bike speedos have a ~10% error. Im not sure why it happens, though I think it's due to the fact that the speedo depends on a magnet, and the faster you go, the more error prone the sensor is.
Still make the beast with two backsing fast, though [moto]
Quote from: Spidey on May 07, 2009, 01:25:04 PM
Man, you randalled the hell out of that bike.
Lies! I heard no mention of paris hilton
Why can't the error be in our advantage??? Why, why, why.....???? ;D
Then he'd pulling 143!!! [evil]
Noice. let's look at it that way 'round...please???
There are several design issues that make the speedo error on the "disadvantage" side. I read a report about new cars that have the error this way, and it saves you $, both at the gas pump, and by the radar gun. There's wasn't 10% I don't think according to the article, but a smaller one.
Quote from: Duki09 on April 24, 2009, 06:44:20 PM
Ducati Monster 696cc L-twin @ 80hp, no fairings, wind resistence. 137 top speed is actually pretty good and the 696 only really gets that because it only weighs 355 lbs dry. Compare that to a HD Sportster 883cc V-twin @ a measly 55hp, is heavier and won't even go as fast as the Monster 696
Compare to a Kawasaki ZX6R 600cc inline 4 @ 130hp, full fairings for wind resistence which can get to 137 in 3rd gear without even trying and a top speed of around 160.
According to some actual tests, the ZX-6 is about 105 hp at the wheel, the 696 is 65 or so (at the wheel). The ZX will not do 137 in 3rd, and tops out at 155. And the 696 tops out somewhere between 120 and 127 mph, depending on which test you are reading.
why are people jumping down this guys throat? believe or not lots of bikers like to go FAST, 150 160, thats their thrill. some people like to wear a thousand pieces of gear and go to the twisties and star bucks to each their own, shit im def gonna rock an R1 as my next bike and open it up to top speed [drink]
Quote from: That Nice Guy Beck! on May 08, 2009, 02:33:06 PM
why are people jumping down this guys throat? believe or not lots of bikers like to go FAST, 150 160, thats their thrill. some people like to wear a thousand pieces of gear and go to the twisties and star bucks to each their own, shit im def gonna rock an R1 as my next bike and open it up to top speed [drink]
Lots of people like doing lots of things. Doesn't mean I won't point and laugh at them.
They are after all, free to do the same to me.
It's the great circle of ridicule (cue "Lion King" music) ;D
in the jungle, the mighty jungle............
oh yeah, as per spidey.
henceforth, to "randall" it means to stretch the truth, exaggerate, or otherwise fib concerning anything to do with ones bike.
Quote from: Spidey on May 07, 2009, 01:25:04 PM
Man, you randalled the hell out of that bike.
ooo ooo you suck spidey. :'( i'm not lying. maybe the bike is lying, but i was tucked so the speedo was right in my line of sight. i was on an open stretch of autobahn with no speed limit. so no i didn't randall it.
I wasn't calling you a liar. Sorry if that's what was communicated. I prolly should have included a definition.
To "randall" is as defined by herm. It has a coupla other definitions as well. We'll save those for another thread. ;D
"Randalling a bike" is taking a bike (often a low displacement bike) on a high speed run up to and included 140mph. It generally requires one to go online, tell folks about the top speed and then defend it when people question its accuracy. Thus, "randalling the bike".
If it helps, to "spidey" is to crash unassisted. :'(
[moto]
To "Spidey" should be reserved for the act of giving a long involved safety lecture to a group of riders, only to crash your bike in the first corner.
To "Drunken Monkey" - To spend more time modding your bike than actually riding it ;D
to "Drunken Monkey" related to the adjective "higgified" -- possessing a condition that prevents you from riding your bike and instead causes you to spend hours in the garage/shop polishing it, drinking beer, and muttering "preciousssssssss" over n' over again.
honestly, wasn't offended. i was surprised with the 14t to be able to reach that. in reality i wasn't on a top speed run just late for work and had some open autobahn. when i was tucked i saw the speedo...
i certainly didn't buy the 696 for top speed runs. but it's no slacker.
Honestly, I'd rather have a naked bike, where 120 feels really fast, than a fully faired rocket, where 120 feels slooooow.
Because, 120 is pretty damn fast. Autobahn or not.