Ducati Monster Forum

Guess they backed of the 'open road' appellation and are just calling it a Multi still

Just got this link from a Duc email
http://multistrada.ducati.com/ (http://multistrada.ducati.com/)

bah! I want my click back.

 [laugh]

from what I can see it looks pretty cool...I guess time will tell. (It has to be an improvement!)

Ha you beat DaveR to the punch!

You know I really, really want to love this bike but...

Can anyone watch that little clip without wondering why they put a uterus on the front?

 :-\

(http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/200910/ducati-multistrada-1-1_800x0w.jpg)

So, I guess it's settled - the new Multi gets the big 1198 engine.   [thumbsup]

Now, what's it gonna look like?   [laugh]  November 9 is the intro date, I guess.

Multistrada 1200: the wait is almost over (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XysVQgyeUgA&feature=player_embedded#normal)

That face is very gremlin like.  :-\

This is a Monster site silly

wonder why they are hiding the beak?

what is with the whole bird beak thing they ar doing with th multistrada... bird beak does not = aero and cool

geez if they just got that one concept down the bike wouldn't look that bad.

but i see what they are doing they are not going to hve any bikes except the 696 and th 796 hyper under 10k anymore.. those will be the entry levels and everything else will be up there.  sheesh.

Ha!  This is a DUCATI Monster site.   [cheeky]

except in a few years, when the introduce an 898 (or similar) multi, with cheaper bits

Perhaps there is something subliminal going on with all the bird chirping and singing, to prepare us for 'the beak'?
Other than that, I'll wait to see it.  [coffee]

+1

And for the record...

This is THE Ducati Monster site!

that's true they could come up with a smaller multistrada but the 620 multi was discontinued years ago, i would think if that was such a great seller theywould have upgraded it like the 620-695-696 of the monster series.

obviously the middleweight superbikes always sell well 748-749-848. 

the big question is how will the new 796 of the hyper sell? i think it will sell like the 620 multistrada, it will have a small cult following but even ducati will do away with it in a couple of years.  that is the only reason i don't see them putting out a middleweight multi even though there may be a good market for it, they are competing with bmw for that then.

The MTS620 was $2000 more expensive than the M620 and the HYM is only $1000 more than the current M696...   that was always the limiting factor when you tried to explain what someone was getting for the extra $2K.   Now with a smaller spread and obvious value like SSA and more cc's should really help spur sales.

Interesting what  you see when you brighten that previous image a bit more!

(http://ducatiseattle.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Ducati-Seattle-Misc-shots/ducati-multistrada-1-1800x0w/698008202_u62QL-M-1.jpg)

There is a Giger Alien sitting on that motorcycle it seems.
I would let Ripley know before entering.

I'm wondering if they will do an 848 version of the Streetfighter  [thumbsup]

i can't see an 848 SF but i could see the 848 MS happening. i imagine the 1200 will come loaded with side bags etc. but the 848 would have no bags, non adjustable suspension, etc. to really drop the price.

  +1, hahaha

 I was thinking the same thing, it kinda looks like a Demon, standing there.....laughing  [evil]

I don't see why not. Granted, it would be in the same price range as the M1100. But I think there is enough interest from people that want a smaller SF but don't want to buy the M1100, so they're not actually competing bikes. And even if they were they could benefit from it by giving it a premium of 1000€/$.

I think an 848 SF would be a good fit, because currently if you don't want to own a Superbike then you have huge gap from the Monster with 95hp to the Streetfighter with 155hp. The 848 could slot in there perfectly with it's 134hp.

Anyway back to the Multi, here's hoping that it is a better looking bike than the last one. I'm positive the old one would have sold more units had it not been so damn ugly.

Is this a bored/stroked version of the 1100 DS engine, or a detuned 1198 engine?  I'm only wondering if a Monster 1200 is on the way for 2010 or 2011.

Then I'd get one...and eventually buy the bags...

everything so far points to a liquid cooled bike.....most likely the 1198 engine.

Looks like it.


(http://future-motorcycles.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/ducati-multistrada-2010.jpg)

(http://future-motorcycles.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/2010-ducati-strada-aperta.jpg)

(http://future-motorcycles.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/ducati-spy.jpg)

(http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/Ducati-Strada-Aperta-spy-shots-1.jpg)

(http://blog.crazymoto.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/engine.jpg)

There's been chatter for years about Ducati creating a mid sized 4 valve naked bike, they've had a mid sized engine out there for years (748/749/848) but I've never even heard rumors about it. Seems like it'd be a simple thing to do from a lay person's perspective but who knows, I'm sure it's more complicated than I'm imagining.

I'd be all for a Streetfighter 848.

(Back OT) Wouldn't it be amusing if they brought out a Multistrada 1200 AND a Strada Aperta?  ;D

Doubt that'll happen especially since the new bike is rumored to have three different fueling maps; 90, 120, & 150.

I think the major barrier to this is the price point... an 848 sbk is already the same price as a M1100S. A 848 streetfighter at 13-14k would surely cannibalize the Monster line.

there's no reason they can't price the naked 848 and the 848 the same.
the M1100S is different with the higher spec suspension and CF bits.
two different philosphies. naked superbike vs upgraded standard bike.

the monster never was intentionally made to be a naked superbike like it became when they jammed the 4-valve motors in it.

So now you have 3 bikes for the same price that appeal to similar demographics. That is the definition of Cannibalization http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannibalization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannibalization). If you are Honda, maybe this sort of thing doesn't really matter as much because you sell so many of each, but for Ducati this would surely kill one (or more) of the 3 bikes.

There will never be an 848 streetfighter.

For the same reason, there will never be an 848s.

http://www.onewheeldrive.net/2009/11/02/2010-ducati-multistrada-1200-specs-leaked/ (http://www.onewheeldrive.net/2009/11/02/2010-ducati-multistrada-1200-specs-leaked/)

Has anyone posted this?  Just saw it myself.

LA

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what's with the belt covers?

dig the shorty pipes.

also, the beemer-style fender thingy over the back of the wheel.

the beak is still hideous, but overall it isn't soooo bad.

this thing seems big..!!

(http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/gallery/2010-ducati-multistrada-1200-leaked-photos/2010-ducati-multistrada-1200-leak-4.jpg)

(http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/gallery/2010-ducati-multistrada-1200-leaked-photos/2010-ducati-multistrada-1200-leak-3.jpg)

(http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/gallery/2010-ducati-multistrada-1200-leaked-photos/2010-ducati-multistrada-1200-leak-1.jpg)

(http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/gallery/2010-ducati-multistrada-1200-leaked-photos/2010-ducati-multistrada-1200-leak-5.jpg)

looks good w/the panniers on it  [thumbsup]

Black is the only way to go with this thing cause it hides all the convoluted lines of the nose.

hmmm. ok not as bad as we had expected though.

not that i'll ever be able to afford one.

I think it's funny that a bike witha very obvious beak has a "no-rooster tail" hugger on the back.

Looks better than it's predecessor imo.  It looks like they are trying to emulate the BMWs and want to appeal to that customer base with this model.

Well anything is better then the old model, but I have to agree that it looks like they were going for the BMW look

that's a little strong.  I would say better, but not good.

mitt

The Multistrada has always been the funkyduc of the lineup, so at least they're consistent.  I'll have to see what they're charging for it, but right now the Multi 1200 is high up on the list come March.

As much as I was expecting to [puke] on this, I am actually starting to find it appealing.  Think it looks pretty good in white even, but I have been finding lots of cars/bikes that I like in white here lately.  I will say that I think it would be better in a pure white than the pearl white that was used on the 848/1198 bikes.


Cut the kid some slack Mitt, he probably still had his beer goggles on.   ;)

sheesh, picky today... that's kind of what I meant. the tail was a bit "look, I'm a sport bike" so the panniers do a better job of making the thing look like more of a touring/adventure type of ride.

the beak needs to go, even if it draws it's influence from the tard, but the overall bike is growing on me faster than the 1098 could ever hope to

1 please.

Not bad at all..
That would let me do the tour to the Nordcap and back in style...
Long way Up :)
Put it next to a GS 1200 adventure and you will be surprised HOW great it actually looks.
But the price is wow...

i was just trying to picture a photo chop with the beak removed. that would go a long way for me

It's a huge improvement over the previous version.  However, I prefer the simplicity of air-cooled engines.  Looks good tho.  I like it overall.

Teddy, You having a 1098 where you live would be like having an F1 car & only getting to drive it at the Go-Cart track  [laugh]. 
 Same basic motor, but at least you could take this thing off road...I guess. I'm not real sure I would take that motor down...or up too many rocky jeep trails though, I'm riding an S & an R 1098, and would recommend some paddle tires with carbide spikes.  [evil] 


Just playin'   :)

I think it will look good........ if it is parked next to a gs.

Because the BMW might get ridden enough to get dirty?  [cheeky]

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm actually quite taken with it. :o All the spy shots had me really skeptical so i was prepared for the worst, but I think it's a very cool looking update to the Multi theme. [thumbsup]

I'll take an S model in black, please.
 [moto]

It officially gets the PR stamp of approval. [bacon]

dude, I have a 620  ;D I know all about how liter bikes are pretty lame here

So you should totally get this 1198 dually  ;D  You could chase DRKWNG & Laughn around the island.  One of them can get you out of any ticket...just sayin'  [roll]

Watched GP today with mouse, she said to tell you hello.  :)

lol  Oh really? 

meh, I don't have the time to ride, nor the cash to horde larger bikes, although something more luggage capable would make a nice daily rider

 :P     (http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/peek.gif)   


Knowing you're like me & don't sleep alot, take a nap, go for a spin & I'll send you a new Ducati backpack.  Your bike is perfect for where you live.  [thumbsup]

I'd like a new backpack too.   ;D  Hell, I might get a terrorist killed in your name for one. 

Hell, you'd do that anyway  ;D

But not in your name.  ;)

GIMME BACK PACK!   ;D

(http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/gallery/2010-bmw-r1200gs/2010-bmw-r1200gs-17.jpg)
(http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/gallery/2010-ducati-multistrada-1200-leaked-photos/2010-ducati-multistrada-1200-leak-1.jpg)

I want a white one...w/bags please

Looks like someone leaked the technical manual...

Fuel is going to be expensive!!!





(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c71/mkephart/MTS%201200/MTSTechManual.jpg)

damn. without those long nostrils it would be a really good looking bike.

but I already have a duc backpack

Website is live.

417 lbs dry (423 with electronic suspension)...and a 5.3 gallon (20l) tank.

Interesting!  [evil]

Official website is up.

http://www.multistrada.ducati.com/jspmulti/index.jsp?lang=en (http://www.multistrada.ducati.com/jspmulti/index.jsp?lang=en)

that would make a cool bike for the gendarmerie:

(http://www.multistrada.ducati.com/images/gallery/images/010.jpg)

dang!

lots of cool bits on 'er...  they are certainly throwing the glove at bmw  ;D

Then there ya' go...no excuses now  [moto]
No back pack for you then mister DRKWNG! I want the glory, and you to do the job.   :P



Not bad, right?

And now that someone went a posted a pic of a GS,  the Multi looks like a runway model next to it [laugh]

Hmm 3 variations being offered - Base, S Sport and S Touring

The S Sport:
The Multistrada Sport is equipped with carbon fibre components such as cam belt covers, air intakes and hugger. In addition, standard equipment on the the S version of the Multistrada includes the innovative DES system (Ducati Electronic Suspension) that electronically adjusts the Öhlins suspsension and ABS.

S Touring:
The Multistrada Touring's comfort and style is enhanced with side panniers, heated grips and centre stand. In addition, standard equipment on the the S version of the Multistrada includes the innovative DES system (Ducati Electronic Suspension) that electronically adjusts the Öhlins suspsension and ABS.

- So that thought about Electronic Ohlins is for reals now

ok so how much for a base with panniers?

Not bad at all...15 lbs lighter than the current MTS...and a boat load lighter than the 1200GS.

Seeing the weight and fuel capacity...I now officially want one!  :'(

No thanks.

When I want to sport-tour, I'll take the ST (actually, when I want to ride most anywhere, I find myself taking the ST).

When I want to drive around town, or go rail up/down the mountain, I'll use the monster (Or fit the tard wheels on the ktm)

When I want to go to the track, I'll take the track bike

When I want to go off-roading, I've got the KTM

And all for waaaay less than 20K  [thumbsup]

Seriously, a 17" wheel on a serious adventure bike isn't going to go over will with the ADV crowd (MHO).  I think they (ducati) have tried to make one bike to "do it all", but have failed in the looks dept (MHO), and have made a half attempt at an all-road bike that is big money.

I don't see it taking sales away from BMW.  But it ought to bring more people into the ADV thing, which is always good.

I didn't notice what the seat height was, but I am guessing it is way too tall for me.  It looks sharp in the white.

Not to threadjack, but I know this forum is about naked Ducatis, so I decided not to start another thread.

Dolf, I found our next "dual sports"   :)


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(http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd164/dustykitska/1198sCorse.png)


Seriously, Whats the difference?

Not one of the new bikes has done anything to push me away from the brand. Pure  [bacon]

About the nostrils/beak complaints - how long do you really think it's going to take before there are a few aftermarket alternatives? I'm not worried.

Honda called they want the CBR's plastic back..

To me it looks OK, I actually prefer the look with the side bags on. It has a CBR meets some kind of bird look, not sure yet.

what is the suggested msrp, or has that not been released. The face bothers me but its overall not as bad as I thought. Not wild about the 4v engine and associated maintenance costs on an adv/ tourer.

+1.  They should have sacrificed 20% of the 150hp, and gained 20,000mi valve adjustments or something.

mitt

+1

 [clap]

 [clap]

3.5' front wheel, 6" rear, 150HP Superbike.

Bet shes gonna' be fun going down a slimy pot hole riddled road. 

I am a dealership guy, Superbike lover, but be careful of the "Wolf In Sheep's Clothing"

Pick your battles folks.

Two of the four settings (Urban and Enduro) limit the bike to 100 HP, and it has traction control and ABS.  Where can I find a slimy pothole riddled road to check it out on?  ;)


On a side note, does anyone know how the engine drives the camshafts?  It doesn't look like the typical Ducati belt covers, since they're thinner than anything I've seen on a Ducati engine in the past 15 years.

Come on over, I'll let you take the R for a spin through the woods (But you can only crack it half throttle)  ;)

Not for certain, but I have seen similar covers before, and they have vents to help cool the belts / engine.

streetfighter has the too:

(http://www.ducati-motorcycle-parts.com/Images/products/Accessories/Ducati/Bikes/Streetfighter/Appearance/Ducati-Streetfighter-Carbon-Fiber-Timing-Belt-Cover-Kit-96998009B.jpg)

mitt

1098's, 1198's, SF's, Multi 1200's.  All the same.  Carbon covers here (and SF) rounded off for "beauty".

Doesn't anybody think it looks a lot like the 1125CR from the side?
(http://thekneeslider.com/images/2009buell1125cr.jpg)

original

(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_GmPktBf8jlk/SvjReA2Sm3I/AAAAAAAAANc/b5H0KwT5iRM/mulitstrada_02.jpg)


2 quick paint edits 1) black out/remove exhaust 2) trim beak

(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_GmPktBf8jlk/SvjReKNyM5I/AAAAAAAAANg/eKxHtCLFlHM/multistrada_02_2.jpg)


It is growing on me. 

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=523553 (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=523553)

On ADV rider:  It's the most exhaustive description I've seen yet.

LA

Uh Oh:

Transmission
Clutch

    Light action, wet, multiplate clutch with hydraulic control. Self-servo action on drive, slipper action on over-run

:/  no dry-clutch mods

needs just a little bit more of a nose job....

Ducati Multistrada 1200 concept video (English) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Agc9NInB158#normal)

New Multistrada 1200 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzM-eDhyVkY#normal)

ooo that is scary

Was Erik Buell already working on this knowing that Buell was going away?   ???

Not even close to a Buell.....Vee Two should be pissed since the new Multi's front is a copy of their Super Squalo super charged 200hp 999.

(http://image.sportrider.com/f/8442868+w750+st0/146_0801_04_z+vee_two_super_squalo+front_view.jpg)

(http://ducatiseattle.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Ducati-Seattle-Misc-shots/ducati-multistrada-1-1800x0w/698008202_u62QL-M-1.jpg)

now that we can see it better its definitely trying for the bmw gs riders that never go off road or people that like the styling of it.  the beak thing as long as you get rid of that its a lot better.

still looks like a suzuki if you ask me basically if you put the suzuki front end on the thing for the faring it gets the look at we are wanting with the "no beak" look.

i see what they are going for and honestly if they stop making all the bikes so high then i think it will appeal to more people. heck even bmw finally learned that and made a 1200 gs with a seat height of 31 inches instead of like the 34 they had before.

No beak

(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_GmPktBf8jlk/Svmd2VIYsSI/AAAAAAAAAN8/8AIqfENBPXE/04-2.jpg)


I am wondering, how does the suspension travel change? 

mitt

Whoa

resemblance anyone? eh? eh?

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p144/PREDATOR_x01x/Predator1Head.jpg)

(http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/gallery/2010-ducati-multistrada-1200-leaked-photos/2010-ducati-multistrada-1200-leak-4.jpg)

You guys are all worse than the Ducati Haters on BARF when discussing the new Multistrada 1200.  [roll]

I like the bike and am seriously considering buying one.  I like a bike that works well no matter where I want to go.  And with 150 HP I won't feel slow when riding with friends on their BMW 1200s and FJRs.

I don't mind the beak really.

guess for me, knowing that Ducati has made some really beautiful bikes. the less than bikes... are kinda disappointing. not because they are worse than say a BMW.. but because they could be so much more if Ducati would let the italian beauty shine through.  

who, me?  ;D

if I had the money and the inseam, I'd buy this thing and a rain suit and ride every freakin' day

The preload could be electrical, I guess. Some cars with that system use an oil/fluid which changes viscosity when electricity/magnetism is put through the forks.

Self servo action? What's this?

Some other pulls from that ADV post - Looks like Duc went for all the Flarkles

Electric filler cap
Thanks to the hands-free system, the Multistrada 1200 can be started without the key leaving the rider's pocket. With the electric filler cap there is also no need to use the flip-key or remove gloves as it is opened simply by raising a tab and closed by pressing it down. At every power-down, the hands-free system allows 60 seconds for the electric filler cap to be opened.

Tyre pressure monitoring system
As well as the ABS, DTC and ride-by-wire, Ducati offers an additional safety tool. The system is made up of two sensors inserted inside the special tyre valves which communicate via the radio system inside the hands-free electronic key. This real time communication displays temperature and pressure information on the instrument panel and signals any problems.

Chripes, Ducati can't even get a gauge cluster to last for 5 years, and they are adding more electronic gizzmoes than a mercedes.

mitt

+1

The fuel gauge on my Multi is absolutely worthless! How's all this other stuff going to work if they can't even get that right?!  [laugh]

As long as it looks cool, who cares? [laugh]

I know of no consistent issues with the newer dashes and the fuel gauge is fixed on the 1100.. The old Multi Dash is 2 generations old now..

I don't care for the side covers that make it look Buell like.  I think if you painted them black on the red/white models it would look better.

actually they also remind me of the 999 barge boards.

+1, that's what came to mind for me, as well


oh, but it's a sin to think the 999 was anything good...  [evil]

Compared to the last generation , I rather like the looks of this new Multistrada.

I give it my blessing.

Dolph      :)

never said i don't like the barge boards. but as a whole, the bike is too disjointed. no flow to it. it's a part here, a scoop here, a half a fender here, a barge board, an exhaust then another, etc. it's like 20 designers sat down with their own piece of the bike and no one talked about the bike together as a single piece of work.

I never said you did  :)

but alot of the MTS1200 lines are obviously drawn from other things, there's no doubt about that

lol.

the MTS1200 is going to change. did you do the survey online with Ducati?

saw the link but never clicked it... I suppose I should, eh?

everyone we have 40 times the number of people on this forum that bought sport 1000s last year. we can influence the MTS !!!! go take the survey and absolutely talk bad about the damn nose intakes!

Didn't we al take the survey for the new Monster when it came out and decried the cast subframe?

I think the survey is just to get your E-mail address to send you those, "hey, isn't it time for a new Ducati" E-mails.

recall however that they _did_ at least black it out.

anyway, ducati does watch and listen, even if they dont ultimately do everything the way we want them to. who knows, maybe by the time i could afford tha bike, they will have given it a nose job.

as for the email.....if you give out your real email, than yes, you may get marketing spam.

here they have already started thinking of mods...single termi exhaust doesnt look too bad, carbon fibre scoops lesson the impact

(http://www.motociclismo.it/foto/index.php?album=saloni%2Fstand-ducati-eicma-2009--ecco-le-foto-dal-vivo&image=1-%282%29.jpg)

Think I would have to go with the BMW GS for style and practicality.  [moto]

not for performance though  [roll]

I'll say it again. Tourers need longer service intervals. End of story. It's the weakest point of that bike.


Think of the marketing. "Comfy enough to do a thousand miles a day! But rest on Sunday and adjust those valves!"

what is the service interval for the new head design?

does anyone know?

Just gives you the chance to wash your knickers.

what about shaft drive vs. chain drive? i would think that the shaft drive would be less maintenance intensive over long periods (right up until it breaks down anyway)

Chain doesn't bother me - look at ktm's and dakar.  A lot of chains can be found in stock at any dealership too versus the final drive of a 1200gs.

mitt

Plus it's WAY easier to alter the final gearing with a chain drive than with any of the alternatives.

Even BMW uses chains on some models, like the F800GS.

You ought to ride a GS.  Seriously.  [roll]

100hp is a lot of power off road, and ABS is frequently switched "off" for those using a bike in loose surface conditions.

I know it's all personal...but I have a Multi, and used to have an '05 GS. The Multi is hands down better on the road. I don't think the GS was better in any way, other than maybe carrying capacity, on the road.

I also think the Multi is better off-road. The GS was just too damn heavy. I'm not a dirt rider, so off-road for me means dirt roads of varying quality...but no nobbies for sure. In those conditions the Multi is just easier to handle due to it's much lighter weight. The only advantage the GS had off-road in my mind was I wasn't as afraid to drop it...just figured it would take it better.

That's not to say the GS isn't a nice bike...I just preferred the Multi over it. Lots will disagree I'm sure.  ;D The new one should be even better I'm guessing.

I think what makes the Multi "better" in some people's opinion is the long travel suspension and more upright riding position.  In that category, the Triumph Tiger is also a great bike.  Another bike that needs to be ridden to appreciate, as is the KTM Adventure, which is a flippin hoot and in this very same category.

This can easily spiral into an adversarial conversation about weight, ability, power, and preference.  Just as easily as the GS vs. GSA owners do.

I just don't honestly see how Ducati can claim to have a "dual sport" model with road tires on 17"s with 150hp.  As a great "all road" bike, okay, I can see that.  What's not to love about suspension travel and bags of torque?  Proposed that way, it looks to me to be better defined as an all road tourer.

Personally, I liked the original MTS design, if you stripped off the R2D2 cowl.  It was/is a great platform for simplicity and usable road riding.

I don't think they are claiming dual sport.  I don't remember reading that in any of the official media.  They use enduro to describe it, and maybe that is splitting hairs.

mitt

+1

I think they are describing it as an all-arounder...not a dual sport. I agree that it isn't a dual sport. The "enduro" setting is probably called that for lack of a more correct descriptor. The bike will do fine on dirt roads...just nothing more off-road than that.

New Multistrada 1200 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzM-eDhyVkY#normal)

Certainly looks like they think it's good for off-road by the "Enduro" section of the video. What's an "Enduro" anyway? It's a dirt bike with a light on it (yes, and other changes). How's the Multi 12k meant to be that?

Personally (and I'll probably be heckled for saying it), I don't really feel like Ducati's design is doing much of interest these days. The Multi 12k is just meh, it's not a pretty bike, it's better than the old design in many ways but that's like saying Pol Pot was better than Stalin. The 1098 design is safe (just like the "new" F4) but lacks imagination IMO. I do like the look of the new Monster but the designs don't really speak to me (although I still want one, yes, of each).

Anyway, I'm going to go back to looking at the Guzzi pictures. ;)

Agree.

In most rider's opinions, a dual sport is pretty close to the same thing as an enduro. 

MTS 1200 got a bunch of Gran Canyon features (finally)  the front looks like it is a GC morphed a bit, plus the dirt shield on the rear tire is just like the GCs

Riding position looks long, like an ST.

I like the exhaust setup, but I wonder what monstrosity header it hides under neath.  Probably 20 lbs of crap but at least they are figuring out bottom-side exhausts..

Is it just me or is anyone else tired of seeing the SAME OLD FORKS on every bike (sbks excluded).?  If you want this to be an enduro/what not, then put some long forks on it.  My elefant's forks are about 6" longer than that.  Yeah, it affects street handling, but surely there is a middle ground.  Hope it's got rubber bumpers on the bottom of the sliders.

I don't think it's bad at all.  The look is awkward but people will grow into it.  I just don't see why they couldn't wholesale use the GC look without gremlin-izing it. I'll have to sit on it first, but the riding position looks too forward too..   feet should be under or just front of the butt.

I like the bike...but in order to boost sales I think it needs to be sold with a Sawzall for the optional rhinoplasty. ;D

100HP in the dirt makes me [laugh]

My 500 lb GC makes (maybe) 65HP, and can spin a TKC-80 knobby at will up to 60 mph on a fire-road.

I love the new look...looks much better than to prev. model!

With work the old model can be made to look pretty

(http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/7526/re080mn4.jpg)

(http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/995/re081qe9.jpg)

(http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/2293/re082sy9.jpg)

yeah, but now start with the canvas of a true multipurpose engine with multiple maps, 150hp and electronic suspension. got a feelign there are going to be some incredible looking MTS 1200's soon

Now that's much better. Mabey I should send this to Ducati.

(http://i834.photobucket.com/albums/zz267/LowThudd/untitled2.jpg)

Or this(nostrills no beak)

(http://i834.photobucket.com/albums/zz267/LowThudd/02.jpg)

i like those. i would also get rid of the black highlight on the front. make it all red.
and put an 1100 air cooled engine in it...

Just released US prices as reported by one of our local dealers:

MTS 1200 standard model - $14995
MTS 1200 standrad model w/ ABS - $16495
MTS 1200 Sport - $19995
MTS 1200 Tourer - $19995

Ouch-a BMW is cheaper.

hell a BMW 128i is only 7000 more.

yeah, but you can't take that off-road, can you  [laugh]

i know plenty of 4x4 vehicles in that price range that can. just saying. 20 grand is a bit much for a motorcycle.

if you think about it they are really going afte rthe crew that liked the "idea" of the multistrada but didn't like the looks. 

this one has a better front but its still really for basically the road.  heck peopel buy the gs bmw and never take them off road they like the all around look and such but really they aren't going any real sort of off road except maybe the simple fire road or such.  you can't tell me that something like 90% of the gs models go off road.

i think this multi will get people that want sbk speed but not the position of it and want a little bit of touring capabilities tht the streetfighter doesn't have.  ie, the saddle bag and farings.  basically 1 bike to do it all.  it will be a niche market but it should get the people that want an st style bike or something with st capabilities. heck its faster thn the old st4 probably.

Base GS w/ ABS is $16,500

GSA is $18,500 w/o the aluminum panniers.  Add the panniers, top case, matching locks, and install and your looking at $20,500

So, the new multi is very very competitive considering it has the same options the GS/GSA have, plus more and it already comes with bags for the top models. 

Oh, and 150HP  [evil] 

Service intervals will be extending to match or exceed competition in its class with the new "Testestretta 11*(degrees)" engine.  Valve overlap has been reduced from 40* on the superbike to 11* to extend life, smooth low speed running and easy startup. 

Ohlins has mentioned their Electronic Suspension Adjustment has been around for over a decade and is very rudimentary.  They are confident in its design and performance.  The bike will be a class leader!

when you compare it like that.. then yes the price is reasonable. especially being better equiped than a GS at the same price.

Ducati hopefully will do well with this bike. just out of my price range.

EICMA 2009: DUCATI Multistrada 1200 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5pXjBLFiEI#normal)

Does the M.S 1200 comes with the umbrella option ??

(http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/200911/wtf-bmw-r-1200-gs-ad_460x0w.jpg)

http://www.topspeed.com/motorcycles/motorcycle-news/wtf-bmw-r-1200-gs-adventure-convertible-ar81714.html (http://www.topspeed.com/motorcycles/motorcycle-news/wtf-bmw-r-1200-gs-adventure-convertible-ar81714.html)

besides the nostrils, here is what i don't care for (as far as the look)

(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/DML/mts1200.jpg)

reminds me of this, which was my second-least favorite part of the 999:

(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/DML/999r.jpg)

the video was nice, but the beak still bothers me


(http://pics.livejournal.com/stepliana/pic/000pxdz1)

   Seems the whole design world is stuck in the " Transformers " look, I personally hate it. Most Everyone thinks the older Multi's were ugly, that thing really sucks. Bring back the sexy, rounded curves and leave that look for kids toys and bad movies, jmo

Can anyone name a bike in this class (adventure tourer) that is attractive?

the 1987 Cagiva Elefant

[laugh] c'mon.. I'm serious!

Looks like they married a Hyper motard with a Multi....resulting in a very ugly baby with a nose that only a mother could love!!

Not really.

The Triumph Tiger 1050 is probably the best looking IMO...but the Duc might be as good in person. The Versys is also looks kinda cool...but is way down on power.

The MG Stelvio is cool looking as well...but still kinda odd. But then there's the question of whether the GS or Stelvio are really in the same class as the MTS 1200 and Tiger though. Ducati is definitely going after those buyers...but are the bikes really that similar?

ok, i love the Vstrom.

I really don't see this bike as an adventure tourer.  Take it off-road, drop it once and you're looking at a few grand in repairs.  And turn signals on the brush guards?  Really?

150bhp is impressive sounding, but I think this thing is really more about posing than riding.  In that regard, they're aiming directly for the GS market.   ;D

I love the new Multi. Seriously.

I want one bad. I'd have the Monster for Hooligan-ing, and the Multi for traveling.

I like... but I've got no dillusions that this is an off road bike. Sure it'll handle better on a dirt road than an SBK, but it's no for *real* of most real off road. And I'm a-ok with it. I think this will be a good 'all arounder' sort of bike. Capable enough through the twists, but also able to pound out a 600 mile day w/o wishing you had a new spine.

   I have an '07 1100s, and I don't believe it would make a good Enduro by any means, it is very good on rough paved roads though, and puts a good effort in chasing the other models in the twisties, but it really is nice at the end of a 500+ mile ride. I'll keep My XR650 for the dirt stuff, and find another Ducati model to race, but the Multistrada fits perfect in between. and I still think the new ones are uglier than mine!! [laugh]

Like it or not the GS is the definition of the adventure tourer market today..

have to wait and see if obi-wan and charlie use multi's to go from prudhoe to tierra del fuego

I wonder if all the new gizoms will keep him from getting petrol in his eye...

well, if its got the same plastic tank capacity as the other bikes, it will keep him from keeping it in the tank for long.

pricing themselves straight out of the market yet again like the old days.   [bang]  I just don't see the 1/2 Tard worth $10K when the parent is selling from $8k+ into the low $10K's.  Not for my money anyway.
Like everyone else says, the 848 SF would be AWESOME and I too may jump on one.  I rode the SF and loved it but the insurance is a KILL JOY.

Did you guys see this ??  

Most beautiful bike from EICMA 2009

http://www.topspeed.com/motorcycles/motorcycle-news/ducati-multistrada-1200-the-most-beautiful-bike-from-eicma-2009-ar81877.html (http://www.topspeed.com/motorcycles/motorcycle-news/ducati-multistrada-1200-the-most-beautiful-bike-from-eicma-2009-ar81877.html)

maybe a translation thing? i had read it was best in show, but didn't realize that meant beautiful. neither the SF from last year's win nor the MTS 1200 can be considered beautiful bikes. aggressive, severe, innovative... but beautiful, nope

the handsfree bullet on the page had me going for a second. cruise control on a bike? Now I can sip my chai-tea latte half soy - half fat while I'm riding my bad ass Multi?? sweet. Fecking feck

I have cruise control on my bike.  I didn't think I'd use it but it's very nice to have. 

Benelli TRE K Amazonas ?

I actually never warmed up to the original Multi.  I have to say I like the new styling better, but then again, besides my S2R1K, I also own a Vstrom   [roll]

+1 on the trek lookin' good.

and who's that tool hangin' with crow and tom?

 [cheeky]

The Vstrom is a nicely-styled bike.  if the MTS was more like the Vstrom, I'd already have one.

I've been itching to pull the trigger on a Vstrom for commuting.  I just..  can't... do it...

You've got to be kidding, right? The V-Strom is about as ugly as they come.  [puke] [puke]

+1 

tiz - you are the first person I have ever heard say the vstrom is nicely styled  :)

I rode a wee strom 650, and pretty much hated it - top heavy, slow, unstable at parking lot speeds.

mitt

Come on, he likes the Elefant and you're surprised he like the Vstrom?

Yep, it's a nicely styled bike FOR THE CLASS.  Most ADV type bikes are not beautiful so you can't compare them to a Monster or SBK.  You have to compare them to other ADV or even sport tourers. 

The 1000 version is the only one worth using, imho, with the same TL1000 engine.

And since most of you might be unaware, the Vstrom is basically a modified Cagiva Navigator, which wasn't sold in the states due to Cagiva's agreement with Suzuki not to sell Suzu powered Cagivas in the USA.


Navigator:
(http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/Gallery/cagiva%20navigator.jpg)

I'm really leaning towards picking up one of these. I may be the guy they were thinking about when they designed it - minus the silly "enduro" pretensions. Looks wise, I think it's hot with or without the panniers, with - as everyone has mentioned - just a bit too much beak. But I can live with that if we're talking about a 5 gallon tank, heated hand grips, center stand, all the fancy suspension gizmos, 150 hp, a comfy non-package cramping ride, decent panniers and a top box, DTC, etc. I think it's expensive, but competitive given all of the stuff it brings to the table. She looks reasonably slim which is ideal for lane splitting - 70% of my daily ride. I commute every day, take semi-long trips fairly often, and go to the track once in a while which means this is so up my alley. I wouldn't take this thing off road even if it wasn't worth $20k. But having a lighter bike when I'm on a road that turns into dirt is cool and reduces the brown pants potential considerably. I'd feel like a tool taking it to the track, but then again I had a guy whoop my ass at the Streets of Willow repeatedly on the (now) old model Multi. But I believe I was also passed by a bear on a unicycle so I probably need to just get over it. The question is do I want to sell the Monster and the Gixxer to get one? I've been leaning towards a Sprint lately anyhoo. Which BTW, IS a sexy sport tourer. Just not having to fill up every 1.5 days would be nice. And knowing I can throw on some panniers and be gone, or take it to the Angeles Crest (when it ever opens up) is cool. Could I buy a BMW for similar scratch? Yeah, but Jeezuz that's an ugly bike. And I'm not a grandfather yet. My two biggest issues are; 1) I have an irrational love for my Monster which makes parting impossible and 2) I can sell the Monster and the Gixxer and still need way to much cash...

Bottom line: I don't live on these boards, but for years I remember people were talking about how ugly the Multistrada was but then after riding one saying, "Yeah but it's an awesome bike...".  And go back and look at some of the links lamenting the demise of the ST and what a new Ducati ST should have. I think they delivered. Maybe they didn't hit it out of the park, but it's off the green monster at Fenway for sure.

I say go for it, if you can stand the beak(or the additional cost of sawzall blades). The beak is butt ugly, but the rest=a very hot bike. Myself, I would go with an F800gs, but only because I would want to take it off road occasionally. I wouldn't want to go offroad with the MTS...too much HP and no knobbies. Great adventure/touring bike though. With the added benifit of 150HP.

Because Robert Fulton may have ridden around the world in 1932 on a 300cc twin, but I gotta have me that 150 hp!  [laugh]
My friggin Gixxer 600 is practically a teleportation device. What I'll do with all of those ponies aside from enrich the local gendarmes is probably neither age appropriate nor legal.

Actually saw and sat on one at the Long Beach bike show. Very comfy, but man were the bars wide. Wider than my Monster. Which makes me nervous when I think about lane splitting. Also checked out the Honda 1200. Nice, but way too much technology for a motorcycle for me. And that styling is worse than the Multi beak. The bike that impressed me was the BMW 1200 S. Just as comfy, nice narrow profile and a similar price point. Test rides to follow. Debt to follow that.

Hell for Leather is reporting on a Yamaha Super Tenere for 2011 that's aiming at the ADV bike market:

http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2009/12/2011-yamaha-super-tenere-offic.html (http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2009/12/2011-yamaha-super-tenere-offic.html)

According to the blurb there, "The 2011 Yamaha Super Tenere will use 3-mode ABS and linked brakes, switchable engine maps, drive-by-wire throttle, traction control, shaft drive, a 1200cc parallel-twin with a 270-degree crank and side-mounted radiators."

No word on whether this one is slated for the U.S. (the Yama XT660 Tenere didn't make it here, did it?).

No 660 Super Tenere in the US, AFAIK.

First thing i'll do if i do get this bike is chop the nose off.

"My motorcycle has no nose!"
"How does it smell??"
"Awful!"

I am putting a nose ring on mine. I am thinking a little hoop with a skull shaped bead on it.

Video: Ducati talks Multistrada 1200 - "transform without limits" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnrEr5sj8pw&feature=sub#normal)

who put IZ in charge of that soundtrack?

I'm sorry, but when I first saw it, I hated it.  After looking at it again, the damn thing is GROWING on me.  Seems like it's the ultimate do-all bike, although I'm not sure I'd go real enduro riding with it...

150hp sport touring bike that sits upright, supposedly can drag pegs, and ride around town in total comfort.  There has to be a down side....please someone find it before I go sell my st4s and buy one!

Wait...20K....for a multistroodle?  There's my #1 reason to say no.   Somethings I can see spending lots of cash for.  Like a d16, or a really nice car.  Then again, maybe ducati will do to the M1200 like they did to the 1098...and there will be droves of used ones for sale for 12K 2 years later!

I would've set it to some BeeGees!   [thumbsup]

I like the bike.  This one had the new logo on the seat.  Wondering if that was aftermarket?
(http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss158/izaac10_album/IMG_0754.jpg)

WOAH, Single Large Termi. Nice comfort seat too.

still hope someone comes up with an aftermarket front end.

Yea, I'm thinking with the Termi treatment and DP ECU etc. it will blow the old St4S away and then some.

I looked it over pretty good when it came to my town recently and I'm real interested. 

Finally gettn' old I guess.

LA

150 hp vs 119 HP. I'm thinking it will blow away the ST4S stock.  :)

the design is growing on me, but, if in the US those are the prices...can't imagine here...that's one of the cons i find on the new MTS...

Base is $15K...loaded is $20K. Base with ABS is somewhere in between.

Pricey for sure...but it could be the ultimate bike. Superbike power (well, close) and handling, with real world comfort and maintenance.

As long as you don't plan on doing a LOT of off roading with it, then it could be an amazing motorcycle. I have taken my MTS (prior to the build) onto fire roads, some pretty rough, and it did very well...even with a dirt novice like myself riding it. The original Multi is an awesome bike (if not pretty)...this should be better.

Initially I didn't like the looks...but it is also growing on me. I was also fairly impressed with it when I sat on it at the IMS last December. I can't wait to ride one in April.  [thumbsup]

calculate about $20K base....$25~27K loaded...
my 05 M620D costed $10.4K...bone stock...

That seems a bit high...for around here at least. Typically adding about $2,000-$2,500 to the MSRP will cover tax, license, and all the dealer fees. Addding 25%-30% to MSRP seems a bit much.

well, let's see, import tax, 15%, lux tax[over 125cc, under 125cc no tax]10% for ea 125cc over 125cc, sales tax 5%, dealers pocket, ~20~30%...license plate is 'courtesy'...

Like I said...depends on where you live. Here it is sales tax (9.5%), license fee, whatever dealer's fees they charge (amounts also vary).

That sucks you guys have all those charges.

in spanish we say, "el que quiere celeste, que le cueste", something like "if you want it, let it cost you"...
let's not 'threadjack'....

"...everything I thought it would be and then some..."
-Adam Waheed

http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/103/6253/Motorcycle-Article/2010-Ducati-Multistrada-1200-First-Ride.aspx (http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/103/6253/Motorcycle-Article/2010-Ducati-Multistrada-1200-First-Ride.aspx)

Among some of the coolest accessories is the $2,399 Termignoni Racing Exhaust (Ducati Part No. 96459510B).

Dear GOD that's expensive for a little carbon can.  RIDICULOUS but overall I love the bike.  Must stay away!

test drove one Sat  and it feels totally different than my 02 s4.  Totally smooth, linear and stable. Very comfortable and quiet.  The seat did feel like i was sitting in the bike vs on it but aftermarket (  i am 6'3") seat should fix this.  I loved the specs on the bike but realised i rode it on sport mode the whole time and it was just fine. So the adjustable features may be overkill.
I think  i could buy the base with ABS and DTC  in a couple of years.  Downside is that it felt too civilized and not Ducatish without the sound ( wet clutch) and exhaust ( i have Termis).
Probably the nicest bike i have been on but did not get juices flowing. ( for auto types, akin to difference between Benz and BMW m3).
I hope that the MS board guys come up with ways to spice it up a little

well if the interior is the same as the 848 you could always use the dry slipper conversion kit for the 848 they have. I honestly think that conversion would be a bit cheaper if they would drop the magnesium side cover.

Pfft.  Go take a look at the suggested retail $ on a new Quat-D full system; also $2350 (on sale for only $1999!) and doesn't come with a replacement ECU and air filter.  Makes the DP system look like a steal.  Probably priced for being the 'first mover' but damn talk about price gouge.

*patiently twiddles thumbs waiting on Arrow and the rest to get up to speed.

More aftermarket stuff coming to market for the 1200 - from a company caller Alt Rider. Mostly protection bits, frame sliders, crash bars, skid plates. They do offer up a nice looking radiator guard

(http://www.altrider.com/images/thumbnail/product_large/feature-altrider-radiator-guard-in-black-for-ducati-multistrada-1200.jpg)

http://www.altrider.com/ (http://www.altrider.com/)

(http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/283850/images/ducati-1.JPG)

Really liking this color

I delivered a black 1200 multistrada to a customer a couple of weeks ago to which we had fitted a full Arrow system, the quality, fit and finish were first class and the sound was bloody amazing (LOUD) so much so that I had to fit the DB killer before the guy was happy (he wasn't a member of the loud pipes saves lives club). I've also delivered another one fitted with a Quat-D system, the quality of that was ok but to me it looked to much were as the Arrow system opened up the rear wheel beautifully.


Geoff... [coffee]

Yes, that does look sharp.

actually, there're only 2 colors that fit Ducatis real real good, red and black [both versions], yellow and white ... if you like them