One of the guys on the UKMOC has posted some pics of the impending M1100, taken by one of his friends in Italy...
See all the pics here
http://www.ukmonster.co.uk/monster/showthread.php?t=29710
Here's a taster...
(http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL675/2429379/8002611/332513244.jpg)
Ped
UKMOC Pres
Woot! [moto] Thanks, Pedro.
Either the looks of the 696 is growing on me or that bike looks really good with a SSS and 10 spoke. I think it's probably both. [thumbsup] I can't tell from the pic if the clutch is dry or not. It better be dry. >:(
That 1100 engine is sooo god...
Dry Clutch cover. Whew!
SSS will look a whole lot better with the passenger pegs removed...
What do you think Mark? Can you mock up some boomtubes based on that picture?
Quote from: Bbrent on September 02, 2008, 04:24:56 PM
What do you think Mark? Can you mock up some boomtubes based on that picture?
I think there is TONS of room for some BoomTubes!
I'm not a big fan of the path they have given the exhaust on these new generation models or the actual cans themselves. Other than that it'll be interesting to see quality pics of the real deal.
The path is similar to the one on the MH900E's and the Zard system on the SC line.
I like it, the route that is. The cans are HUGE, but that probably has to to with emissions.
The bike does look better than the 696 due to the SSS and 10 poke wheels showing.
Wish there was a better pic of the SSS though, I'd like to see which one they used. Probably the 1098/848 though.
Looks good. [thumbsup]
I'll be interested in year 2 of the M1100 given the launch issues with the last few monsters I'll give em a year to work it out. Of course by then they'll have released the new SxR version and I'll end up with it right off the bat instead. LOL.
Brake from the 848, I'd guess. Looks a lot better w/o the chunky swingarm. Still not sold on one yet, though
I guess I'll be staying in the ron's camp a bit longer. I'm sure it's a fine bike but I can't warm up to it. It just doesn't call to me like the older model does.
Now I'll have to be extra careful not drop my '800 or I'll have to "settle" for one of these. :-X
Don't worry, there's still plenty of used parts available to fix yours up...
I rode a 1100 Hypermotard and was not impreesed w/ the 1100 engine.
The photo of the M1100 looks pretty good . I would like to see the next gen. of the S4Rs. Dolph
It also looks like there is no udder? I like the rims too. I would like to see the SSS, it looks multi/916ish.
nice nice nice.
not sure if you guys looked further but look what someone did
http://www.motorevue.com/site/zoomimage.php?arti_id=31981&medi_id=30865
Quote from: DoubleEagle on September 02, 2008, 05:26:25 PM
I rode a 1100 Hypermotard and was not impreesed w/ the 1100 engine.
Are you serious? It's one of the smoothest, most linear engines I've ridden and puts out a ton of power for an air-cooled 2-valver. What did you think was lacking from it?
No udder, the cat is built into the cans...
Quote from: Raux on September 02, 2008, 05:40:29 PM
not sure if you guys looked further but look what someone did
http://www.motorevue.com/site/zoomimage.php?arti_id=31981&medi_id=30865
I saw that as well when I kept reading the UK posters wanting white w/ gold wheels. I'm thinking red with gold wheels or even dark but the white with gold looks pretty hot as is. wish the guy had used the termi can from a 696 though. It's probably closer to what will actually be produced.
Quote from: darylbowden on September 02, 2008, 05:41:23 PM
Are you serious? It's one of the smoothest, most linear engines I've ridden and puts out a ton of power for an air-cooled 2-valver. What did you think was lacking from it?
he rode an R1 and S4Rs and still wants more power, lol. what do you think?
do you think the bike is physically bigger than the 696 (makes sense to be) or is it another midget carrier ???
Quote from: wraith on September 02, 2008, 06:05:28 PM
do you think the bike is physically bigger than the 696 (makes sense to be) or is it another midget carrier ???
All the mosnters (except 696) are the same size on paper. I beg to differ, S-series monsers are longer than the 695, ive never actually took a measurement, but im pretty sure it is.
As for the m1100......the front looks exactly the same. so i assume the rear will be just as much longer as an S2R is to a 695. though that swingarm is more of the SBK/HM variety.
No 4V engine will go into this frameset from the factory. There are a few clearance issues due to the new design. (Friend in Germany is building one and is cursing as he is doing it due to all the modifications required)
Positive though -- hopefully that will inspire some quality engineering from the aftermarket folks to build some new 2V engine internals ala camshafts, bigger pistons, etc.
[thread drift] BoomTubes for the M1100? Guaranteed. (mine will be first though!) 696 is scheduled upcoming with two different iterations. No more comment until then! [end thread drift]
Why would they post different wheelbases for the different Monsters? What's to gain? The 696 is 10mm longer, although it's construction makes it look smaller...
the new one has a wet clutch ( multistrada engine)
Quote from: NAKID on September 02, 2008, 06:13:42 PM
Why would they post different wheelbases for the different Monsters? What's to gain? The 696 is 10mm longer, although it's construction makes it look smaller...
nothing to gain, but atleast they could write the specs down. if you look at the specs on the 695 and S2R bikes, it looks like a copy paste aside from the money making differences (brakes, hp etc)
Well, I say you take this on as a personal quest and go get the correct figures and post up...
Quote from: supertjeduc on September 02, 2008, 06:14:52 PM
the new one has a wet clutch ( multistrada engine)
The one is the picture shows a dry clutch cover...
Looks dry to me.
Looks AWESOME to me!!
Quote from: Vindingo on September 02, 2008, 05:26:44 PM
It also looks like there is no udder? I like the rims too. I would like to see the SSS, it looks multi/916ish.
prolly straight off the HyperM...bolt on to the 1100
also, that quality picture in one of the links looks like a poor photo chop. i think i can see the left side of the DSS behind the wheel...
Quote from: NAKID on September 02, 2008, 06:45:47 PM
The one is the picture shows a dry clutch cover...
Multistrada and sportclass 1000 (the newer ones atleast) are wet clutch DS1000s.... >:(
Still not a fan. The "vents" in the tank and the chopped up frame just turn me off. The SSS makes it a little better though. Oh well, to each their own.
Quote from: herm on September 02, 2008, 06:59:45 PM
prolly straight off the HyperM...bolt on to the 1100
I guess that would make sense [thumbsup]
Quote from: He Man on September 02, 2008, 07:18:58 PM
Multistrada and sportclass 1000 (the newer ones atleast) are wet clutch DS1000s.... >:(
Yup, but that is a DS1100, same as the HMT which is dry clutched....
696 with a different engine :o ??? what gives?
the Ron [evil] your thoughts
I have spoken with someone who was at the ducati factory last week and he asked if he could use his STM dryclutch on the new monster (which he ordered already) and the man at the factory said no
And the same guy saw the new monster and it had a wet clutch
can't be a hyper swingarm, the shock mounts differently, and i can see the yellow spring in the left side shot...
it makes sense the 1100 would be a dry clutch and again as people have noted you can tell by the clutch cover (unless that's a really poor image and we are being fooled).
Also, I would imagine the swingarm could make the wheelbase a bit longer if they wanted to dial that it like that.
A note about the breather vents. it makes some really cool sounds. can't imigaine waht a heavy breathing 1100 would sound like... just awesome i bet.
The cats are part of the stock exhausts just like the 696. nice packaging, can't believe anyone ever thought the udders were cool.
all in all, you guys get your SSS and the 1100 gets better handling.
also, for you guys that don't seem to fit the bike, just replace the rear sets and move it around a bit, wouldn't that give you more leg room?
Quote from: Raux on September 02, 2008, 07:56:38 PM
also, for you guys that don't seem to fit the bike, just replace the rear sets and move it around a bit, wouldn't that give you more leg room?
Replace them with what? Has anyone even made rearsets for them yet? Besides the likely outrageously priced DP sets?
Quote from: darylbowden on September 02, 2008, 05:41:23 PM
Are you serious? It's one of the smoothest, most linear engines I've ridden and puts out a ton of power for an air-cooled 2-valver. What did you think was lacking from it?
It puts out less than the 1000.
Quote from: NAKID on September 02, 2008, 08:03:08 PM
Replace them with what? Has anyone even made rearsets for them yet? Besides the likely outrageously priced DP sets?
From Moto Wheels
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e344/Motowheelscom/Motowheels%20696/DSC00265.jpg
not sure if hte pics are just IZ_ or what, but that doenst look like a regular DS1000/DS1100 motor. The covers look new style.
It wouldn't really make sense for ducati to produce this bike in this config... They'll probably drop the 1100 in the existing 696 package, but why would they want to design and manufacture yet another version of the SSS/rear suspension? It would be like the S2R800 having a completely different back end than the S2R1000...
Quote from: DoubleEagle on September 02, 2008, 05:26:25 PM
I rode a 1100 Hypermotard and was not impreesed w/ the 1100 engine.
The photo of the M1100 looks pretty good . I would like to see the next gen. of the S4Rs. Dolph
How can you be impressed going from a 996 stretta motor to an air cooled 1100? I really hope no one knocks my bike over, cause then I would have to settle for getting a new bike with a broken sounding clutch.
They've been using the SSS to define the higher end models for a while now. I just think they should use a SSS that they already have rather than making some ridiculously expensive one off. Take the multi/hm SSS and use that. Done.
Quote from: labbedds on September 02, 2008, 09:57:31 PMHow can you be impressed going from a 999 stretta motor to an air cooled 1100?
Because the 1100 has more bottom end torque.
Is there no oil cooler? I can't tell or maybe it's tucked away somewhere out of sight.
That's definitely NOT a Hyper swingarm in the pics.
It looks "OK" to me...not gonna trade/sell my S4Rs for that bike that's for sure.
I like it a lot [thumbsup]
Doesn't anyone think the heads and barrels look too small to be an 1100, or even a 1000 for that matter? Not to mention no oil cooler (which someone else did bring up) and it doesn't look like there is a second spark plug in that head (crappy picture though). I suspect someone is jumping the gun a bit here.
New look makes me regret selling my S2R... But I got an '06 Sport 1000 out of selling it, so at least I still have a good looking air cooled Ducati. :D
Quote from: mac900 on September 02, 2008, 11:50:59 PM
Doesn't anyone think the heads and barrels look too small to be an 1100, or even a 1000 for that matter? Not to mention no oil cooler (which someone else did bring up) and it doesn't look like there is a second spark plug in that head (crappy picture though). I suspect someone is jumping the gun a bit here.
So a 696 with SSS and a dry clutch say you? Still [puke]
You have a point with the dry clutch cover and I have to admit upon closer inspection that there could be a second spark plug connector there. I'll put mine up against that one any day. [laugh]
Quote from: mac900 on September 03, 2008, 12:19:39 AM
I'll put mine up against that one any day. [laugh]
Yea, thing still looks like a dog egg to me.
Quote from: mac900 on September 02, 2008, 11:50:59 PM
Doesn't anyone think the heads and barrels look too small to be an 1100, or even a 1000 for that matter? Not to mention no oil cooler (which someone else did bring up) and it doesn't look like there is a second spark plug in that head (crappy picture though). I suspect someone is jumping the gun a bit here.
From what i can tell with the 696 there is an oil cooler mount underneath the black intakes on the bottom of the bike behind the screen. I bet it is there.
I will buy one.
it scores points with me for having the SSS but i'm still a much bigger fan of the S*R aesthetics; no question in my book. and i was never a big fan of the combined passenger pegs setup.
I love it!!! [thumbsup]
Sad that I just bought my 696.
Hopefully for me, Ducati won't release an "S" version or naked "4" valver until 2010, I need to remodel my bathroom to get my wife off my back. Gonna be broke in 09'
Well I guess that means the end of the first gen.
1993-2008.
It was a good run.
Cool, got the tapered bar, sss, and the ten spokes! Sharp, I too wish that there was a clear shot of the sss though. I'm curious if they used a multi/SB style or the S*R style. Maybe a completely new unit? Dunno but I likey. [thumbsup]
Quote from: WannaDucBad on September 03, 2008, 11:54:29 AM
Cool, got the tapered bar, sss, and the ten spokes! Sharp, I too wish that there was a clear shot of the sss though. I'm curious if they used a multi/SB style or the S*R style. Maybe a completely new unit? Dunno but I likey. [thumbsup]
In the original post there's a link with a pic of the left side. You can see that it's not an SBK swingarm, as the chain doesn't pass through it. It looks like a Hyper/Multi swingarm, but the shock mounts in a very different location, as can be seen in the shot of the bike's right side.
Quote from: darylbowden on September 02, 2008, 05:41:23 PM
Are you serious? It's one of the smoothest, most linear engines I've ridden and puts out a ton of power for an air-cooled 2-valver. What did you think was lacking from it?
+1.... Rode a Demo Hyper, I had a hard time not sliding off the back the first time I cracked the throttle open....One beast of a power plant.
Did anyone read the original post on ducatimonsterclub.it ?(http://www.ducatimonsterclub.it/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=101&topic=29344.0;topicseen (http://www.ducatimonsterclub.it/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=101&topic=29344.0;topicseen))
There is talk about an "Exup" system 15 cm before the exhaust. Any comments?
Bit more info for you all....
From my contacts within Ducati UK and the factory, the 1100 is a dry clutch motor, the same as used in the Hypermotard. The talk of the Exup may well be as per I think the 1098 has to sort out exhaust harmonics etc. The 1100 will essentially have S4RS brakes, radial master cylinders etc. I have heard that the subframe is slightly revised to accomodate taller riders.
I also understand that there will be 2 versions, the base model and a uprated version with Ohlins front and rear, possibly uprated brakes and loads of carbon etc.
Oh, and if that's not enough to whet your appetite, rumour has it that a naked 1098 is on the drawing boards, dubbed the Hyperfighter. It's supposedly not to be a watercooled Monster (that will be aircooled for the future), more a new model. The best bit I've heard though is that they're leaving the motor alone so will be the full fat 160ish bhp! Yee har!
Having ridden a 1098 recently, a naked version would be a hoot!
BTW, also rode a Desmosedici at the weekend, Jeeez, now that is an impressive bike, the term "missile" really doesn't do it justice, it's much faster!
Quote from: IdZer0 on September 03, 2008, 12:38:59 PM
Did anyone read the original post on ducatimonsterclub.it ?(http://www.ducatimonsterclub.it/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=101&topic=29344.0;topicseen (http://www.ducatimonsterclub.it/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=101&topic=29344.0;topicseen))
There is talk about an "Exup" system 15 cm before the exhaust. Any comments?
my 6 months of italian immersion [bang] isn't up to the challenge, head hurty.
It looks ok; however, there is just something alluring about the "old" monsters. I like the classic cafe racer look, the classic, round headlight, the full trellis frame, and etc. The new one looks like it is trying to hard to be modern. I'm sure the frame and the rest of the design is high tech., but it just looks half arsed. I love the trellis frame of the original monsters.
Quote from: Slag on September 03, 2008, 04:46:55 AM
I will buy one.
I will NOT.
I find it to be an abomination to the Monster name.
Consider;
1. The original Monster is such a Timeless, Classy, Unique and Beautiful machine, While this bike looks like a cheap, mass produced in china wanna be knock off.
2. Ducati will most likely produce a Tuono-esque 1198 (yes, 1200cc) naked SBK with Upright bars very soon.
Quote from: BellissiMoto on September 03, 2008, 06:10:01 PM
I will NOT.
I find it to be an abomination to the Monster name.
I agree.
That's why I bought a Hypermotard.
I think the Hyper is closer in spirit to the original Monster than the new "Monster" is.
Quote from: BellissiMoto on September 03, 2008, 06:10:01 PM
<snip>
Randall. With his own Duc business. Wow. Just wow.
[popcorn]
Quote from: BellissiMoto on September 03, 2008, 06:10:01 PM
I will NOT.
I find it to be an abomination to the Monster name.
I agree as well, but I went the other way. I got a Sport 1000 instead.
Quote from: Spidey on September 03, 2008, 07:37:54 PM
Randall. With his own Duc business. Wow. Just wow.
[popcorn]
Holy shit.
Good call on changing the user name though. I didn't even notice.
Hahahaha, I guess I wasn't the last one to know...
they could put a 10000000000cc motor on it and it is still a 696!
no thanks [puke]
As anal as Ducati is with keeping new bikes top secret until the Milan motorcyle show, why would they park a new model on the street?
Quote from: BellissiMoto on September 03, 2008, 06:10:01 PM
I will NOT.
I find it to be an abomination to the Monster name.
Consider;
1. The original Monster is such a Timeless, Classy, Unique and Beautiful machine, While this bike looks like a cheap, mass produced in china wanna be knock off.
2. Ducati will most likely produce a Tuono-esque 1198 (yes, 1200cc) naked SBK with Upright bars very soon.
I see the Monster morphing from a naked superbike into a boutique bike. A Tuono-esque naked SBK would be the true next-gen Monster... They're just getting the names mixed up in Italy.
Quote from: Spidey on September 03, 2008, 07:37:54 PM
Randall. With his own Duc business. Wow. Just wow.
[popcorn]
yeah, about time I grew up a little and got legitimate at the same time.
that bike looks good, now only if termi would make normal diameter slip ons to fit on the bike it would look perfect,
i still doing like the megaphone sorta look that some people may like, but for me that is the only thing that has to change, put a single can underneath the seat and be done with it and them sell some monster city bags to go on the bike that won't interfere with the exhaust and you have the most awesome all around bike you can have.. perfect. now only if they would make that bike.
bummer... they don't
its a clean looking updated bike, sure its not like the current monsters but its the evoluation of the design so i see where they are going wiht it. hey if you don't like it don't worry there will be plenty of used monsters on the market for years to come.
Quote from: DucatiScott on September 03, 2008, 09:37:13 PM
As anal as Ducati is with keeping new bikes top secret until the Milan motorcyle show, why would they park a new model on the street?
ducati has a history of "slip up" sightings, which always result in huge drama (remember the spy shots of the 1098...)
i think they do it on purpose.
that being said, i think those pics are fake, especially this one (http://www.motorevue.com/site/zoomimage.php?arti_id=31981&medi_id=30865), which looks like someone has photo chopped a 996 engine onto a 696
Quote from: herm on September 04, 2008, 04:29:10 AM
that being said, i think those pics are fake, especially this one (http://www.motorevue.com/site/zoomimage.php?arti_id=31981&medi_id=30865), which looks like someone has photo chopped a 996 engine onto a 696
I think it's common knowledge that _that_ one is a fake. I don't think these new ones are fake, but I can't help but wonder why the front fork diameters are so small. (or is it just me?)
I think the bike looks amazing! [thumbsup]
Quote from: Murdered Monster on September 04, 2008, 06:40:48 AM
I think the bike looks amazing! [thumbsup]
i was a bit cool to the 696 (i am still in 2004 with my 800ie) but i think it was time to take this step for ducati. i think we will see a tuono style bike soon, the monster had to go somewhere though... as i see more of these on the street (we have a bunch around here) i start to like them more and more.
the bigger motor makes it more appealing as well, maybe as a replacement for my 800 when it goes to my GF.
you guys wouldnt think that some rich duded just wants to make every hold their breath right? i mean money goes a long way into making a custum m1100 from a 696. maybe its a Hyper swing arm, hyper engine thrown in there.
I wish I lived near the Duc factory.
I would make custom fabbed conglomerations of duc and let them be "spotted" just to spaz people out.
Quote from: IdZer0 on September 04, 2008, 04:51:55 AM
I think it's common knowledge that _that_ one is a fake. I don't think these new ones are fake, but I can't help but wonder why the front fork diameters are so small. (or is it just me?)
i guess i will remain skeptical until i see some quality pics. i would like to see a good view of the swing arm, and see where the oil cooler is mounted as well.
Quote from: herm on September 04, 2008, 12:34:19 PM
i guess i will remain skeptical until i see some quality pics. i would like to see a good view of the swing arm, and see where the oil cooler is mounted as well.
When it comes to spy pics I trust bad quality pics more than I do good ones.
Quote from: He Man on September 04, 2008, 12:04:26 PM
you guys wouldnt think that some rich duded just wants to make every hold their breath right? i mean money goes a long way into making a custum m1100 from a 696. maybe its a Hyper swing arm, hyper engine thrown in there.
Thought about it but dismissed it when I saw the stock exhaust and tail unchopped.
Here's what one of the articles said, "2009 model year bikes are dropping like crazy this week. The latest is the 2009 Ducati Monster 1100, basically a Ducati Monster 696 with the 1100CC DS engine from a Ducati Multistrada. Compared to the 696, the air-cooled 1100 offers 15 more horsepower (95bhp) and 26 more lb/ft of torque (76lb/ft) as well as Y-spoke wheels and a single sided swingarm from the Ducati Hypermotard. Radial front brake and clutch reservoirs, as used on several other models, are also present. Expect the Monster 1100 to be officially unveiled at the 2008 EICMA show in November. We guess this checks one off the list of the 10 new Ducatis by 2010".
Quote from: BellissiMoto on September 03, 2008, 06:10:01 PM
I will NOT.
I find it to be an abomination to the Monster name.
I too find it the pinnacle of hyperbole ;)
It makes sense to me for Ducati to have a few spy shots running around, get some free feedback from the die hard Monster fans.
Makes a hell of a lot of sense, let the die hards see it, and they know that some will like it, some will hate it, but if people pick on certain parts, then before the official release in november they can quickly change some details and parts.
Creates a lot of hype before the show as well.
It's all but been proven that Ducati visits theses types of forums. Look at changes made to late model Monsters, look at what happened when they released photos of the 696. The initial pics showed the subframe being silver. Most people hated it and started photoshopping it black. Well look at the production model...
Quote from: NAKID on September 04, 2008, 01:20:20 PM
It's all but been proven that Ducati visits theses types of forums. Look at changes made to late model Monsters, look at what happened when they released photos of the 696. The initial pics showed the subframe being silver. Most people hated it and started photoshopping it black. Well look at the production model...
I agree, although i wasnt around during that time i am 99% sure that manufacturers have people checking out enthusiast sites seeing what kind of reaction new models, or "leaks" cause. I also wouldnt be that surprised if "leaks" like this are on purpose. Its the cheapest form of feedback and ideas since many owners will take charge of photo shopping their dream version.
Quote from: sh on September 03, 2008, 08:30:02 PM
they could put a 10000000000cc motor on it and it is still a 696!
no thanks [puke]
Sad......but true. :'(
well I've liked the potential of the 696 since day 1, but this... this is... well I love my S4RS. This is... it's just... :'( :'( :'(
the older ones are so much nicer
I could not agree more...
But there is a new generation and they love the modern design.
So...Ducati...if you read this...:
Make a smart move
1. Go with your new design to make the new people happy
2. Put the old design into a classic line like the Paul Smart/Gt 1000/Sport to keep the old farts (me) happy
Thank you Ducati
(saving money for the Venom anyway ;)
Quote from: NAKID on September 04, 2008, 01:20:20 PM
It's all but been proven that Ducati visits theses types of forums. Look at changes made to late model Monsters, look at what happened when they released photos of the 696. The initial pics showed the subframe being silver. Most people hated it and started photoshopping it black. Well look at the production model...
Regardless, the 696 is still FUGLY. And it sucks to ride.
I spent some about an hour on one today and as far as I'm concerned it needs only one mod. I flush handle, because it's a toilet. [puke]
I think I would rather have no bike in my garage than a 696. If the new Monster looks like these images I will never buy one, period. I'll be making the switch to another brand when it's time for a new bike.
I hope Ducati does read these forums too because they can take their 696 and stick it up their collective asses.
Even if were an M 11tybillion, it would till be ugly as crap.
Quote from: Monstermash on September 05, 2008, 09:19:51 PM
Regardless, the 696 is still FUGLY. And it sucks to ride.
I spent some about an hour on one today and as far as I'm concerned it needs only one mod. I flush handle, because it's a toilet. [puke]
I think I would rather have no bike in my garage than a 696. If the new Monster looks like these images I will never buy one, period. I'll be making the switch to another brand when it's time for a new bike.
I hope Ducati does read these forums too because they can take their 696 and stick it up their collective asses.
What do you ride? a 695? doubt it... so when you compare apples to apples and not some tricked out superpowered monster to a entry level monster.
Pound for pound the new monster out handles the old monster. and I'm certain the new M1100 will blow away a lot of naysayers. give it a chance, ride it when it gets here. then talk your trash.
and by the way, bet you have a SSS monster... that's not the original monster either. that's way more styled then the original monster was so dont tell me the new monster is trying to be something more than it's supposed to be.
I'm so fricking tired of this crap. the monster is a ducati. and if you keep wanted to trash the company for creating a great bike that may not be to your style (even if you guys are blind) then sell your freaking bikes and buy a damn Ninja.
You don't deserve to have the italian passion.
I'd get a Brutale 910R first ;D
Adam
OK, two things:
1. You can't compare Ducati putting a SSS on the existing Monster to what they did with the new Monster. Name one thing on the 696 that it shares with the old Monster as far as style.
2. Who are you to decide who deserves to have "the Italian passion"? [roll]
I just find it ironic that a lot of people who claim they love the "old monster" so much are the same people who have some of the most heavily modified bikes around.
If it was *that* great y'all wouldn't be taking a saw to the frame the first weekend you got it.
Quote from: Raux on September 05, 2008, 09:51:44 PM
What do you ride? a 695? doubt it... so when you compare apples to apples and not some tricked out superpowered monster to a entry level monster.
Pound for pound the new monster out handles the old monster. and I'm certain the new M1100 will blow away a lot of naysayers. give it a chance, ride it when it gets here. then talk your trash.
and by the way, bet you have a SSS monster... that's not the original monster either. that's way more styled then the original monster was so dont tell me the new monster is trying to be something more than it's supposed to be.
I'm so fricking tired of this crap. the monster is a ducati. and if you keep wanted to trash the company for creating a great bike that may not be to your style (even if you guys are blind) then sell your freaking bikes and buy a damn Ninja.
You don't deserve to have the italian passion.
Oh please. You're basically saying that if someone doesn't embrace and fall in love with every single model and design that Ducati comes out with they don't have "the italian passion" - get a grip. The new Monster is a stylistic a departure from the older monsters, and IMO "borrows" liberally from other bikes (like the Brutale) in its design.
Sure, there are some nifty touches here and there, but my '04 S4R in "Not a real Ducati color' Blue and white is the first motorcycle I ever fell in love with - and when I saw the 696 in person it wasn't even close. I'm not going to say it's a piece of garbage, but just not my cup of tea.
Adam
so how many of you have a STOCK monster???? gues ducati didn't get it right for you on those either huh?
Has nothing to do with "getting it right". A lot of it is personalization. The other stuff is getting rid of things they HAD to do to comply with various regulations. The tail is one of them....
I'm still not sure what the issue is. Most of the people who like the old monster have one. I think it's nice they're trying something different.
Quote from: Monstermash on September 05, 2008, 09:19:51 PM
Regardless, the 696 is still FUGLY. And it sucks to ride.
I spent some about an hour on one today and as far as I'm concerned it needs only one mod. I flush handle, because it's a toilet. [puke]
I think I would rather have no bike in my garage than a 696. If the new Monster looks like these images I will never buy one, period. I'll be making the switch to another brand when it's time for a new bike.
I hope Ducati does read these forums too because they can take their 696 and stick it up their collective asses.
You sound like a tiny little cry baby. :'( You did not ride a 696 for an hour, because if you did you would say it rides at least good for a beginner model. Luckly Ducati does not listen to people like you, because if they did they would have to close up shop since Harley Davidson has the market cornered with selling "classic" out dated, pieces of polished crap.
I love the look of the older bikes but I fell in love with the 696 and its modern styling, so I bought one. You don't see me crying do ya. [roll]
Face the facts that Ducati is updating and modernizing all its models and is not looking back. They already admitted that they made a mistake by not updating the monster earlier.
Now dry your eyes and make yourself happy by being gsxr owner #10,000.000.
I feel better now, Dan.
Quote from: danaid on September 05, 2008, 11:07:50 PM
You don't see me crying do ya. [roll]
Uhhhh, yeah, I do actually.
maybe it's time to split this board up then.
Moto board #1
Ducati Monsters and those who aren't stuck on the past (includes all old monster riders who aren't bashing other Ducati riders and their new Monsters)
Moto board #2
Tired old complainers, bashers, haters and sore losers
Quote from: danaid on September 05, 2008, 11:07:50 PM
Face the facts that Ducati is updating and modernizing all its models and is not looking back. They already admitted that they made a mistake by not updating the monster earlier.
Now dry your eyes and make yourself happy by being gsxr owner #10,000.000.
I feel better now, Dan.
Dan, take a break and calm yourself down. It's never that great of an idea to come onto a board and start talking smack to one of the more senior guys.
Quote from: Raux on September 05, 2008, 11:49:56 PM
maybe it's time to split this board up then.
Moto board #1
Ducati Monsters and those who aren't stuck on the past (includes all old monster riders who aren't bashing other Ducati riders and their new Monsters)
Moto board #2
Tired old complainers, bashers, haters and sore losers
Maybe it is and maybe it isn't. One thing for sure though, most of the people who have less than kind things to say keep their comments to the bikes themselves and not the people who buy them. Also, keep in mind that quite a few of the tired old complainers, bashers, haters and sore losers are the same people who started this forum and made it the great place that it is. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
I think it looks better with the sss and different exhaust. I wish they would redesign the passenger footpegs. The whole shape in my opinion is bulky, matches the subfrafe closely, and sticks out and doesn't fit in (its silver could be black i guess)
[echo]keep the trash talk about bikes, not people[/echo]
i still think those pics are fake
I would say in about 13 months when Ducati is releasing the last of the "10 new models by 2010", we won't even be having this conversation. The original monster will not be for sale anymore. The original style monster is beautiful and will always be remembered as the first naked bike. The people who own one will be proud to own it, and it will always be looked at as a work of art. Just like an original Mustang or Corvette. Those cars have been updated over and over again and people still love the originals, probably more than the new models. But on the other hand, people keep buying the newer models also. We all own monsters because it's a Ducati. You don't here anyone comparing a Triumph to a Mustang or Corvette do you? A new generation of monster fans will emerge, which is exactly what Ducati wants. New blood = new $$$. I hear people say, "I don't like the passenger pegs, or the tank is shaped funny". I'm sure that when you first bought your baby it wasn't exactly the way you wanted it. That's the beauty of a monster. It's a blank canvas and you're the artist. Half the fun of owning a monster is modifying it. Honestly, I had never really paid attention to the monster until the new model came out. Now that I know more about the monster, I wish I would've owned an older model years ago. But the new one caught my eye and now the monster family has grown. Like it or not, the new model is here to stay. But think of what the originals will be worth years from now. Have you seen the price tag on an original mustang lately?
sorry was in a bad mood last night. all i can say is that the bashing is really starting to get to me.
Quote from: danaid on September 05, 2008, 11:07:50 PM
You sound like a tiny little cry baby. :'( You did not ride a 696 for an hour, because if you did you would say it rides at least good for a beginner model. Luckly Ducati does not listen to people like you, because if they did they would have to close up shop since Harley Davidson has the market cornered with selling "classic" out dated, pieces of polished crap.
I love the look of the older bikes but I fell in love with the 696 and its modern styling, so I bought one. You don't see me crying do ya. [roll]
Face the facts that Ducati is updating and modernizing all its models and is not looking back. They already admitted that they made a mistake by not updating the monster earlier.
Now dry your eyes and make yourself happy by being gsxr owner #10,000.000.
I feel better now, Dan.
Dan,
You may feel a little better but to completely feel better you should go take your medication. And lots of it.
First off, who the hell do you think you are? I didn't ride one for an hour? Yeah ok dude, I guess there isn't one in my garage right now then, right? I guess it's not sitting next to the 748 and the S2R1K either. I must have imagined it.
Just because you came late to the party and the 696 was the bike that was offered when you arrived it doesn't make it a good bike. The 695 is a way better bike.
You may think the 696 is a great bike but I have a news flash for you. It's not. It's not a good beginner bike like you seem to think. I could sit here and go down the list of all the things that are wrong with it but I'll just hit the highlights for you.
Styling:
Although it's never easy to try and replace and Icon, Ducati seems to have a habit of screwing it up. First it was the 999, and now the 696. I will admit it took a few months for me to even look at a 999, but I have since owned one and now I love the style. That will never happen with the 696. They completely ruined it.
The vents in the tank cover are the dumbest thing I have ever seen. The horizontal exhaust pipe taking a sharp turn up and across the motor not only looks stupid, I can't think it does much for the performance either.
Comfort:
What the hell were they thinking with that seat. It pushes you all the way forward towards the tank (cover) and mashes your balls. You may not have noticed that though..... [roll] It also puts too much weight on your wrists. Your's may be strong enough to handle it..... [laugh]
Handling:
Oh boy, where to start here. The only good thing about it is that it turns in quick. It's twitchy and unstable and grabbing the front brakes at speed completely upsets the chassis. It feels like a wet sponge until you hit a bump and then you just bounce over it rather than soaking it up. Just for laughs, try riding it over a series of bumps mid-corner and let me know how that goes.
Brakes:
For starters, the brake lever is way too far away. I almost had to take my hand off the throttle to reach it. Not good if you need to stop fast. The brakes are pretty powerfull though.
Power:
Here is the only place they didn't drop the ball. Give the throttle a twist and it want's to go. Granted it's not a S2R/S4R buy any stretch but for an entry level bike it has plenty.
Conclusion:
As an entry level bike one would think that it should be as easy to ride as possible. It's not. All the things I mentioned above contribute to this opinion. It's uncomfortable, unstable, difficult to ride with confidence, and because of the reach to the brake lever, it isn't condusive to stopping quickly. Does that sound like a good beginner bike? the answer is simple. No.
Ducati definately dropped the ball on this one. They don't seem to be staying true to their roots, they seem to want to be more mainstream now. I can understand wanting to be more competitive and wanting more market share but I don't think watering down what they have been doing for decades is the right thing to do.
Quote from: Raux on September 05, 2008, 09:51:44 PM
What do you ride? a 695? doubt it... so when you compare apples to apples and not some tricked out superpowered monster to a entry level monster.
Pound for pound the new monster out handles the old monster. and I'm certain the new M1100 will blow away a lot of naysayers. give it a chance, ride it when it gets here. then talk your trash.
and by the way, bet you have a SSS monster... that's not the original monster either. that's way more styled then the original monster was so dont tell me the new monster is trying to be something more than it's supposed to be.
I'm so fricking tired of this crap. the monster is a ducati. and if you keep wanted to trash the company for creating a great bike that may not be to your style (even if you guys are blind) then sell your freaking bikes and buy a damn Ninja.
You don't deserve to have the italian passion.
[puke] [puke] [puke] [puke]
Dude, you really have no clue. You think that just because it says "Ducati" on the tank it should automatically be revered.
I bet you have a house full of Sony products too. Don't worry though, you're not alone. Alot of people buy things just because of the name even if they are pieces of $hit.
And for the record, I have had the opportunity to ride a 695. BCM was kind enough to lend me one a while back while I was up there. It was a blast. I would recommend one to anyone who was thinking about getting into the sport.
Quote from: Raux on September 06, 2008, 07:22:05 AM
sorry was in a bad mood last night. all i can say is that the bashing is really starting to get to me.
Do you think maybe there is a reason for it? How can so many people be that wrong?
Come on guys, ease up... stop the personal bashing. Getting this fired up at each other over a motorcycle is ridiculous.
Lighten up
Quote from: ducducgooseme on September 06, 2008, 07:53:56 AM
Come on guys, ease up... stop the personal bashing. Getting this fired up at each other over a motorcycle is ridiculous.
Lighten up
I know you are but what am I ? ? ? Ne ner ner boo boo
Yeah that's right, I went there ;)
Adam
PS: My dad can beat up all ur dadz
Quote from: ducducgooseme on September 06, 2008, 07:53:56 AM
Come on guys, ease up... stop the personal bashing. Getting this fired up at each other over a motorcycle is ridiculous.
Lighten up
Hey man,
I'm just responding to the bashing. All I did was mention how much I hate the 696 and these guys bashed me. >:(
Quote from: DrDesmosedici on September 06, 2008, 08:07:50 AM
PS: My dad can beat up all ur dadz
My dad died when I was 15.
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Just because you came late to the party and the 696 was the bike that was offered when you arrived it doesn't make it a good bike. The 695 is a way better bike.
I can't say that i've ridden a 695 but i had a 99 M900 and can tell you the 696 outhandles that bike, has better weight distribution and makes me feel more confident
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Styling:
Although it's never easy to try and replace and Icon, Ducati seems to have a habit of screwing it up. First it was the 999, and now the 696. I will admit it took a few months for me to even look at a 999, but I have since owned one and now I love the style. That will never happen with the 696. They completely ruined it.
The vents in the tank cover are the dumbest thing I have ever seen. The horizontal exhaust pipe taking a sharp turn up and across the motor not only looks stupid, I can't think it does much for the performance either.
I remember the 916 was hated.. what were they thinking with that swingarm... it doesnt even come close to the 888 style... etc.
The 999 heavy not as sexy, but based on track performing bikes. so ducati goes back to 916/996 style to appease people and make money. but they improved it, made it lighter so good job
The vents, are awesome, sexy sounding unique and i expect funtional
not sure on the pipe whether or not it affects performance, but that is not the first bike to use it from ducati. MH900E anyone?
We would have to see an engineering paper to determine performance parameters there.
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Comfort:
What the hell were they thinking with that seat. It pushes you all the way forward towards the tank (cover) and mashes your balls. You may not have noticed that though..... [roll] It also puts too much weight on your wrists. Your's may be strong enough to handle it..... [laugh]
the stock seat does push you forward for a more agressive/sbk stance. if you want comfort get the DP seat and you can easily ride with your finger tips and a straight back while holding the tank with your knees.
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Handling:
Oh boy, where to start here. The only good thing about it is that it turns in quick. It's twitchy and unstable and grabbing the front brakes at speed completely upsets the chassis. It feels like a wet sponge until you hit a bump and then you just bounce over it rather than soaking it up. Just for laughs, try riding it over a series of bumps mid-corner and let me know how that goes.
The front brakes... hmmm never had a problem but it could be related to you moving your hands so much for the braker lever. two finger braking for me... no problems and it has very linear braking both front and rear trail braking is a breeze.
The chassis can be dialed in for your weight, so i would suggest turning the damping down. it's set up from factory i've been told for 160lb rider. when i stiffen it up for 2up riding and forget to turn it back down solo, i get that issue too. then i remember to turn it to the proper setting
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Brakes:
For starters, the brake lever is way too far away. I almost had to take my hand off the throttle to reach it. Not good if you need to stop fast. The brakes are pretty powerfull though.
see above, two finger braking, four finger braking, no problems for me.
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Power:
Here is the only place they didn't drop the ball. Give the throttle a twist and it want's to go. Granted it's not a S2R/S4R buy any stretch but for an entry level bike it has plenty.
wow, stunned, you agree. yes good power smooth and strong pull from low rpms. not a 748 or s2k1000 but enough for street riding
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Conclusion:
As an entry level bike one would think that it should be as easy to ride as possible. It's not. All the things I mentioned above contribute to this opinion. It's uncomfortable, unstable, difficult to ride with confidence, and because of the reach to the brake lever, it isn't condusive to stopping quickly. Does that sound like a good beginner bike? the answer is simple. No.
i find it very easy to ride, much easier than my old M900. comfort is adjustable for your riding style, not so much size adjustment for the smaller or larger people. stability... suggest everyone, as they should, read the manual and dial the rear in to give it the right dampning. this bike gives me tons of confidence, probably more than i should have since i find myself getting on it a bit too much on the street and have to back off. the brake lever, if you have tiny hands get the adjustable levers, and the bike stops like a navy fighter jet on a carrier, just ask the safety course guys here when i had to go through the course to ride on base.
This bike is a advanced beginner bike. in that it gives the ability for one to grow with it from start to they grow old. enough power, great handling and customization and adjustability for when you gain the 50 lb beer gut.
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Ducati definately dropped the ball on this one. They don't seem to be staying true to their roots, they seem to want to be more mainstream now. I can understand wanting to be more competitive and wanting more market share but I don't think watering down what they have been doing for decades is the right thing to do.
same argument will be heard when they make the non-desmo engine. wonder if 3 decades ago, they said the same thing when they went to the desmo.
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Dude, you really have no clue. You think that just because it says "Ducati" on the tank it should automatically be revered.
I bet you have a house full of Sony products too. Don't worry though, you're not alone. Alot of people buy things just because of the name even if they are pieces of $hit.
And for the record, I have had the opportunity to ride a 695. BCM was kind enough to lend me one a while back while I was up there. It was a blast. I would recommend one to anyone who was thinking about getting into the sport.
Do you think maybe there is a reason for it? How can so many people be that wrong?
revered, no... i mean the PASO was HATED. not by me but by many. and the classic styled bikes, not my cup of tea. but i dont bash. i didnt like the fact that ducati put the SSS on the monster... not the original style of the bike, if you wanted SBK style then get an SBK. but i didn't bash.
Sony, overrated, i get non-name brand stuff because a tv is a tv for the most part. but a Ducati is not a Kawasaki no matter how alike their specs are.
Again, never ridden the 695 but if it was set up like my M900, glad i haven't
well, guess we'll see in the long run. will Ducati continue to sell the 696-styled bikes or not... but if sales has anything to do with it, which it does... i say they're here to stay.
Lets hope not.
I'm out If it does
MH900e , yes please...now we are talking iconic design
I even like the 749/999 but the 696 is fubar.
I put 5000 miles on my new 695 within three months now..
So i probably need a new one in two years [moto]
I should get a an SR4s and put it into a vacuum chamber
If that design dies , a lot of Ducati dies with it.
wow, how dramatic. ducati dying because it stops producing the 2nd gen monster... hmmmm dont think so.
it's funny, a lot of the 696 comes from the mh900e, all the 1st/2nd gen monster modifications and the newer SBKs. guess all those are FUBAR?
the S4R monsters are FAR from the original idea of the monster. an aircooled SS with no body and high bars.
to each their own i guess. I bet the 1100 Monster will sell like hot cakes. and if i ever decide to move up, that will be my next bike, and i will keep the 696 as well. (unless they make another SS then i'll be contemplating that hard)
WOW, this topic had been beaten to death.
I'll join in +1 on the 696
Quote from: Raux on September 06, 2008, 10:43:16 AM
it's funny, a lot of the 696 comes from the mh900e
Would you mind expanding on that? As far as I see, the only thing that "comes from" the MH is the similar design of the exhaust routing...
Quote from: Monstermash on September 06, 2008, 07:46:17 AM
Dan,
You may feel a little better but to completely feel better you should go take your medication. And lots of it.
First off, who the hell do you think you are? I didn't ride one for an hour? Yeah ok dude, I guess there isn't one in my garage right now then, right? I guess it's not sitting next to the 748 and the S2R1K either. I must have imagined it.
Just because you came late to the party and the 696 was the bike that was offered when you arrived it doesn't make it a good bike. The 695 is a way better bike.
You may think the 696 is a great bike but I have a news flash for you. It's not. It's not a good beginner bike like you seem to think. I could sit here and go down the list of all the things that are wrong with it but I'll just hit the highlights for you.
Styling:
Although it's never easy to try and replace and Icon, Ducati seems to have a habit of screwing it up. First it was the 999, and now the 696. I will admit it took a few months for me to even look at a 999, but I have since owned one and now I love the style. That will never happen with the 696. They completely ruined it.
The vents in the tank cover are the dumbest thing I have ever seen. The horizontal exhaust pipe taking a sharp turn up and across the motor not only looks stupid, I can't think it does much for the performance either.
Comfort:
What the hell were they thinking with that seat. It pushes you all the way forward towards the tank (cover) and mashes your balls. You may not have noticed that though..... [roll] It also puts too much weight on your wrists. Your's may be strong enough to handle it..... [laugh]
Handling:
Oh boy, where to start here. The only good thing about it is that it turns in quick. It's twitchy and unstable and grabbing the front brakes at speed completely upsets the chassis. It feels like a wet sponge until you hit a bump and then you just bounce over it rather than soaking it up. Just for laughs, try riding it over a series of bumps mid-corner and let me know how that goes.
Brakes:
For starters, the brake lever is way too far away. I almost had to take my hand off the throttle to reach it. Not good if you need to stop fast. The brakes are pretty powerfull though.
Power:
Here is the only place they didn't drop the ball. Give the throttle a twist and it want's to go. Granted it's not a S2R/S4R buy any stretch but for an entry level bike it has plenty.
Conclusion:
As an entry level bike one would think that it should be as easy to ride as possible. It's not. All the things I mentioned above contribute to this opinion. It's uncomfortable, unstable, difficult to ride with confidence, and because of the reach to the brake lever, it isn't condusive to stopping quickly. Does that sound like a good beginner bike? the answer is simple. No.
Ducati definately dropped the ball on this one. They don't seem to be staying true to their roots, they seem to want to be more mainstream now. I can understand wanting to be more competitive and wanting more market share but I don't think watering down what they have been doing for decades is the right thing to do.
[puke] [puke] [puke] [puke]
Dude, you really have no clue. You think that just because it says "Ducati" on the tank it should automatically be revered.
I bet you have a house full of Sony products too. Don't worry though, you're not alone. Alot of people buy things just because of the name even if they are pieces of $hit.
And for the record, I have had the opportunity to ride a 695. BCM was kind enough to lend me one a while back while I was up there. It was a blast. I would recommend one to anyone who was thinking about getting into the sport.
Do you think maybe there is a reason for it? How can so many people be that wrong?
Sorry to hurt your feelings monstermash,
but your comments about the bike are your personal opinion and probably because of your physical size. I have not had any of the issues you commented on, except for the seat , which I just re-adjust.
The wrist comment, >:( I dont think so
I guess I'just keep my comments to myself, it makes no sense bickering back and fourth about a bike design and company direction that has been planned and initiated years ago.
Dan.
Quote from: ducpainter on September 06, 2008, 12:59:11 PM
<flounder>
The limp wrist comment is unacceptable Raux.
</flounder
all of the little shots at people are unacceptable, and this thread and the 696 thread are full of them.
why can't people learn how to express opinions without trying to belittle the person they are debating? I'd rather talk bikes than continue to read posts where people insult each other like little kids.
just backing up Dan from the shots he was getting thrown at him.
but yes, will back off from personal shots. my bad.
Quote from: NAKID on September 06, 2008, 01:00:39 PM
Would you mind expanding on that? As far as I see, the only thing that "comes from" the MH is the similar design of the exhaust routing...
i was saying that there are parts of each of those bikes that show up on the 696. the MH900e exhaust is an example.
Quote from: Raux on September 06, 2008, 02:21:10 PM
just backing up Dan from the shots he was getting thrown at him.
but yes, will back off from personal shots. my bad.
it's the back and forth that's bad. If someone is taking shots at you or anyone else, then ignore it, call them out on it publicly, call them out on it through pm, or hit the report to mod button. (I'd rather people get called out for being an ass in public and leave the admins out of it entirely).
I think the new bike design looks like ass. So what. Now if I start posting stuff about people who love the looks, then a simple statement of "hey, Man, if you don't like the bike fine but stop being an ass about the owners" should work just fine. Or point out how ergonomics are very personal for a bike so some people will have tank/brass interference and some won't, versus implying the person who didn't have the issue was somehow lacking.
It's the pissing contests that draw admin attention. I'd much rather discuss the designs of the bikes than discuss the behavior of board members.
So....the new 1100...
I wish the peg casting were seperate front to back so the passenger pegs could be removed without replacing the entire stock pegs.
I like the new instruments but my favorite is still an analog tach with redline at 12 o'clock and a digital mph that is switchable to a big gear indicator (nobody does this how I would like).
after seeing 696 can options, I think the single swinger with diferent cans on the 1100 would be nice.
Don't think the cheesy tank skins have any place on the higher end monsters. It's like the fake exhaust outlets on the Lexus IS-F.
Quote from: Statler on September 06, 2008, 02:59:07 PM
I wish the peg casting were seperate front to back so the passenger pegs could be removed without replacing the entire stock pegs.
I like the new instruments but my favorite is still an analog tach with redline at 12 o'clock and a digital mph that is switchable to a big gear indicator (nobody does this how I would like).
after seeing 696 can options, I think the single swinger with diferent cans on the 1100 would be nice.
Don't think the cheesy tank skins have any place on the higher end monsters. It's like the fake exhaust outlets on the Lexus IS-F.
Agree on the peg casting, plus wish it wasn't so large to take over alot of the lower part of the bike. someone has murdered it and it looks better, but still a large piece. and yes being able to go solo would be cool.
i like the tech thing and found i use a lot of the features while riding... and being late for work [bang] the SHIFT ME NOW light is helpful too.
I want to see someone come up with a single can option for the bike to lighten up the rear more.
tank skins/plastic tanks help costs and add a sense of ownership when you start modding. taking the skins off to send to a airbrush artist sure is easier than draining/removing/praying for no dents metal tank.
how about the fake intakes on ANY car. function is more important and i think the 696 intakes are more than functional. would love to see some comparisons on airbox flow with and without the intakes.
I'm glad your happy with your purchase but I would dial it down a notch. Insulting guys that have been members of this community for nearly 10 years just makes no sense.
Quote from: Raux on September 06, 2008, 09:20:30 AM
I can't say that i've ridden a 695 but i had a 99 M900 and can tell you the 696 outhandles that bike, has better weight distribution and makes me feel more confident
You owned a 1999 M900 City correct? The City had higher bars (read: worse handling), weighed almost 50 lbs more, held over a half gallon more fuel (read: even more weight), had a carbed 74 HP motor vs. the 696 injected 80 HP motor, rode on 41 mm crap forks compared to 43 mm crap forks ( :)), and had crap brakes. So uh, yeah, the 696 should work a bit better. Your really comparing one of the least popular, worst equipped Monsters ever to another bottom of the product line, entry level bike. But like I said, if you like it [thumbsup].
Quote from: Raux on September 06, 2008, 09:20:30 AM
I remember the 916 was hated.. what were they thinking with that swingarm... it doesnt even come close to the 888 style... etc.
Huh? The release of the 916 was akin to the arrival of Christ for the second coming. Every mag in the world fell all over themselves to tell us it was the greatest thing ever. Not to mention the love at first sight reaction that it had on tens of thousands of motorcyclist's worldwide.
there were aspects of the 916 bike older duc riders didnt like. i knew guys with 851 and 888s. anyway.. it obviously was a great bike and still is. didnt it have problems with cracks in the rear spindle/swingarm assembly also? bet that made some fans.
each bike has its detracters.
thanks for pointing out why the monster city had so many issues, thought it was just me [laugh]
it's safe to say we are ALLL happy with our purchases. otherwise we wouldnt be here.
lots of love folks [beer]
Quote from: Raux on September 06, 2008, 03:49:32 PM
there were aspects of the 916 bike older duc riders didnt like. i knew guys with 851 and 888s. anyway.. it obviously was a great bike and still is. didnt it have problems with cracks in the rear spindle/swingarm assembly also? bet that made some fans.
each bike has its detracters.
thanks for pointing out why the monster city had so many issues, thought it was just me [laugh]
it's safe to say we are ALLL happy with our purchases. otherwise we wouldnt be here.
lots of love folks [beer]
I for one hope ducati keeps sending us lots of new designs, wouldn't want them to be a one-trick-pony. if i had my dream garage it would have ten bikes in it, maybe more. and probably not more than 2 would be ducati's cuz there is so much to choose from. as it is though, for now we have a vespa (for the girl) and a monster for me, soon to add a cbr125 for the girl and a moto-guzzi 700 classic (as soon as it goes on sale in NA).
my other duc dream might be an old supersport (888?) or maybe even a multi.
i like the 696 more and more... hell i remember way back when i wasn't so sure i liked the monster, but they grew on me just like the 696 and soon bigger brother are. I bet the 1100 will have a bunch of goodies that will win some fans from this group.
the only thing that is constant is change. and i like it. [thumbsup]
[puke]
the ron [evil]
[puke]
the ron [evil]
lol I wondered when the ron was going to finally make a showing here.
Quote from: 707soldier on September 02, 2008, 07:42:09 PM
696 with a different engine :o ??? what gives?
the Ron [evil] your thoughts
done deal ;)
I like the 696 but it could be so much better with just a little more attention to detail. Most Ducati enthusiasts are not adverse to change. I don't think things like the aluminum subframe or the air intakes are what turn most people off. It is the lack of elegance and organic flow that seems to be lacking in this model that even the 999 has. The air intakes in the tank are something that I have wanted for some time. They are functional and eliminate the tank ding at the same time. But, they could have been a bit smoother and more round as could the edges on the plastic tank covers. I like a rear subframe but it should have been more slab sided like the DD16 or tubular like the 999. This one is neither. The rearsets should have been much slimmer. Maybe they are expecting some fat passengers. The biggest styling atrocity and the easiest to fix are those ridiculous cartoon like exhaust cans. How that got past the final review I'll never know. It's like that guy at the office with the really bad toupee that looks like a dead squirrel. You have to wonder if he has any mirrors in his house and does he look in them before he leaves and says "oh, yeah that looks good". At least other manufacturers are coming out with mufflers that don't look like something Wile E. Coyote ordered from the ACME company.
(http://www.mivv.it/public/COMING_SOON/Monster_696_suono_a.jpg)
The thing I like the most about the 696 is, it's not in my garage. ;)
Quote from: kopfjager on September 06, 2008, 10:16:13 PM
The thing I like the most about the 696 is, it's not in my garage. ;)
I can see how you'd constantly be out riding a bike like that. Enjoy your new steed.
Uhm... I think he meant he is glad to not have one that would go in his garage. ;)
Quote from: DRKWNG on September 06, 2008, 11:27:12 PM
Uhm... I think he meant he is glad to not have one that would go in his garage. ;)
I know-I was being petulant.
Quote from: someguy on September 06, 2008, 11:32:31 PM
I know-I was being petulant.
Gotcha. Then you had to go and ruin my smugness by being smart... [beer]
Quote from: kopfjager on September 06, 2008, 10:16:13 PM
The thing I like the most about the 696 is, it's not in my garage. ;)
[laugh] [laugh]
I have to agree.
hey maybe another poll here.
What Monster do you want in your garage?
Gen 1 (original)
Gen 2 (SSS/watercooled)
Gen 3 (696 style)
Gen 1, 2 or 3
Boobies
I don't know about you all, but I would love some boobies in my garage
cheating...
Quote from: silentbob on September 06, 2008, 09:22:27 PM
The biggest styling atrocity and the easiest to fix are those ridiculous cartoon like exhaust cans. How that got past the final review I'll never know. ... At least other manufacturers are coming out with mufflers that don't look like something Wile E. Coyote ordered from the ACME company.
I think the exhaust cans are one the best features of the bike. Why? Two birds, one stone. Replace the cans with aftermarket (which most people will want to do anyway), and lose the excess weight of the cat. You don't need to by new headers to remove the udder like on the SxR.
It's f'ing weird, but the more I look at the new Monster style, the more I really like it.
I think that after years of looking at the mod possibilities for the old style, I'm starting to see the possibilities with the new style.
And I like 'em! [thumbsup]
Quote from: IdZer0 on September 07, 2008, 11:51:25 AM
I think the exhaust cans are one the best features of the bike. Why? Two birds, one stone. Replace the cans with aftermarket (which most people will want to do anyway), and lose the excess weight of the cat. You don't need to by new headers to remove the udder like on the SxR.
My 1098 had cats in the mufflers without looking like a Dr. Suess creation.
So does the HMT....
here's a thought. how much room is under the tail section of the new style monsters as far as after full compression of the rear suspension?
Maybe flipping the cans inside of the tail instead of outside would clean up the rear.
A decent solution for 696 stock exhausts...
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=H2kLkIsMTCM
Now these look cool!
It's funny, if a bike comes stock with high pipes, people will want low pipes and vice versa....
Quote from: Drunken Monkey on September 09, 2008, 02:35:55 PM
It's f'ing weird, but the more I look at the new Monster style, the more I really like it.
I think that after years of looking at the mod possibilities for the old style, I'm starting to see the possibilities with the new style.
And I like 'em! [thumbsup]
Agree completely. First time I looked at it I thought tonka toy. Then I saw some of the photoshops on TOB where they blacked out the rear frame added clipons etc and I started to change my mind. After seeing the bike at the dealer regularly it's grown on me.
Your comment about an eye to modding brought another thought to mind though. for all those that hate it and prefer the old Monster's you gotta wonder if it was such a perfect piece of modern art why is it that a majority of its owners have modded them so drastically (engine, suspension, seating, transmission, looks, riding postition). A number of the biggest [puke] probably have as much into the mods they've done to their bike as they had buying the bike stock.
Not saying this to accuse anyone of anything, or to diss the Monster - I love my bike and won't be moving to another anytime soon. It's just an observation.
For what it's worth I think the new Monster has as much an upside for mods as the old with some obvious mods no longer requiring cutting tools. I'd love to see the bike in the video with the supposed SSA and black rearsets that eliminate that damn passenger peg set up. I do hate the rearsets entirely.
Where's the rest of the frame?
I know you said you didn't like the rearsets, but here what I've done with the bike so far. Blacked out forks, headlight bracket, rearsets, handlebar risers, air intake screens, and heat shields. I agree with you. This bike will look a lot better after people start getting new ideas. The original style has been modded every way you can think. So will this one.
(http://i360.photobucket.com/albums/oo43/ryanspencer74/Dark003.jpg)
(http://i360.photobucket.com/albums/oo43/ryanspencer74/Dark005.jpg)
Quote from: Pedro on September 09, 2008, 05:04:41 PM
A decent solution for 696 stock exhausts...
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=H2kLkIsMTCM
Now these look cool!
Those are bad a**!! Only if I can have them in black. Guess I could always have them ceramic coated.
Quote from: Murdered Monster on September 09, 2008, 06:25:54 PM
(http://i360.photobucket.com/albums/oo43/ryanspencer74/Dark005.jpg)
looking very nice, man [thumbsup]
Thanks bro! As soon as Mark from Motocreations releases his boomtubes exhaust for the 696, I'll be good to go.
Quote from: Murdered Monster on September 09, 2008, 06:39:33 PM
Thanks bro! As soon as Mark from Motocreations releases his boomtubes exhaust for the 696, I'll be good to go.
yeah, man that will be a killer looking bike...i'm looking forward to seeing it; hope you can get your hands on a set soon and post up the pics!
Quote from: NAKID on September 09, 2008, 03:40:09 PM
So does the HMT....
No, it doesn't.
The stock exhaust's cat is in the same location as the udder on the S*R Monsters.
It's just hidden much better.
You can see it in this pic...
(http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e344/Motowheelscom/Exhausts/leo%20vince/leoVinceHMrear.corner.jpg)
Ahhh, my bad....
(http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e344/Motowheelscom/Exhausts/leo%20vince/leoVinceHMrear.corner.jpg)
wonder if the MHT rear sets work on the 696? they have removable rear passenger pegs.
From the pics of the 696, it looks like the bolts are in the same position.
But the passenger pegs on the Hyper are quite a bit farther forward, so I don't know how comfortable they would be for a passenger on a 696.
There're also a couple of other things that would have to be worked out if using them on a 696 (assuming the bolts line up). For example, the different mounting of the rear brake master cylinder.
Looking at picks of that Hyper has me dreaming of that swingarm on a M1100......
Wonder how much you'd have to raise the rear to be able to put a similar exhaust on the M1100?
Quote from: COWBOY on September 09, 2008, 11:04:57 PM
Looking at picks of that Hyper has me dreaming of that swingarm on a M1100......
Wonder how much you'd have to raise the rear to be able to put a similar exhaust on the M1100?
Quite a bit.
yeah but with the new rear subframe i think that's going to be easier that before. design a new subframe and unbolt the old one. so much easier than the chopping/welding that happening on the old style monsters.
Quote from: COWBOY on September 09, 2008, 11:04:57 PM
Looking at picks of that Hyper has me dreaming of that swingarm on a M1100......
Does anyone know if the SSS from the Hyper, or any other ducati, would fit on the 696? What all would I have to change out other than the swingarm and the wheel?
I imagine you would have to go to a completely new exhaust system to even begin getting that to work. All things considered, once you start looking at the cost of that, the new swingarm and all the necessary bits (bearings, brake fitment adapters and so forth) you will be getting to the point where it is more cost effective to sell your 696 and get another bike that more fits the style you want.
Quote from: Raux on September 05, 2008, 09:51:44 PM
What do you ride? a 695? doubt it... so when you compare apples to apples and not some tricked out superpowered monster to a entry level monster.
Pound for pound the new monster out handles the old monster. and I'm certain the new M1100 will blow away a lot of naysayers. give it a chance, ride it when it gets here. then talk your trash.
and by the way, bet you have a SSS monster... that's not the original monster either. that's way more styled then the original monster was so dont tell me the new monster is trying to be something more than it's supposed to be.
I'm so fricking tired of this crap. the monster is a ducati. and if you keep wanted to trash the company for creating a great bike that may not be to your style (even if you guys are blind) then sell your freaking bikes and buy a damn Ninja.
You don't deserve to have the italian passion.
Wow. You have a small man complex or something? Must me tiring carrying around all that p!ss and vinegar. Now get back on your Ruckus and ride back to your shanty.
Quote from: hillbillypolack on September 10, 2008, 07:45:56 PM
Wow. You have a small man complex or something? Must me tiring carrying around all that p!ss and vinegar. Now get back on your Ruckus and ride back to your shanty.
C'mon man, there's no need for that.
That was 5 pages back in the thread and all the parties involved have calmed down and moved on.
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Wow. You have a small man complex or something? Must me tiring carrying around all that p!ss and vinegar. Now get back on your Ruckus and ride back to your shanty.
althought there could be responses. ... a lot of that was due to 696-style monster bashing, and frankly i was tired of it... but it's all cool now. thing is, we all ride Ducati. and can't we all just get along :P
As i see it the Hyperfighter will bee the new real Monster.
If rumors are true its the 1198 engine from the 1098R without titan stuff and 150 hp and loads of torque in a frame based on the hypermotard.
I need to accept the new Monster shape and move on.
didn't i read they aren't producing the hyperfighter? or was that a Desmosedici naked?
Now this was the most entertaining thread I have read in a long time, I hate the Multi stroodle but love DUCATI, sometimes you have to live with it [thumbsup]
So, I have an M696 in my garage tonight. My S2R1k is off getting the 20,000 km service and I got the 696 as a loan bike. Took it for a reasonable ride before work cause I figured I wouldn't have it tonight. Turns out my S2R1k wasn't finished today so I got to take the 696 home. I'll take it for another twisty ride tomorrow, but, here's my review. I've copied it from another forum where I already have given my review.
This does have bearings on the M1100 though, as you'll see.
In short: what I don't like about the new monster will not be changed my in an M1100 or an M1100S. For a downspec Ducati it has really nice suspension (and, way better than any of the Japanese naked bikes for the same price) and really superb brakes. The engine isn't bad. Like any aircooled twin it doesn't have the most power, but it is perky. Very smooth, too, they've got the fuelling better.
Shit I don't like? The ergos are, in my opinion, a step backwards. The seat is too short, the pegs are in the wrong spot, the bars are way too far towards you. In short, you sit a lot further forwards on the bike and it makes for not a good posture. It'd be comfortable for those who ride nakedbikes with a pole up their arse and their arms at 45 degrees, pointing down at the road. I, however, ride how one should, with my forearms parallel to the road. When I do that, I'm way too close to the speedo (have to VERY conciously look down to see it) and my head is way forwards.
Not really sold on the LCD based tacho, either, but thems the way of the future and it does make for a very compact display. Lots more options to look at, like temp, revs, you can do the cool datalogging setup (just like the 1098), use the display as a laptimer yada yada yada.
I stand by my comments that it fell from the ugly tree and hit at least a few branches on the way down. Some parts look nice, and it does look compact. I got some fellow riders at work to comment (hrrm, looks make the beast with two backsing tiny was the general impression) as well as some people who are non-riders. All prefer the less chunky trellis of my S2R1k, and *everyone* noticed the cast subframe.
It's not a bad bike, just not what I want. Should my S2R1k be written off I'd either be looking for another one, or buying something else entirely. A HM1100 would be more tempting, tbh, than the M1100, even if they do one in an S guise.
---- Summary
Some stuff would be mod-able in terms of the looks. It is diminutive, but it fails the chicks-at-work test, which the S2R1k passes and my previous sportsbikes have simply rated a neutral, or, worse, a downright "piss off that's ugly". So it's better than some Jap bikes, but, doesn't beat an oldschooler with the SSSA (some liked the DSS of someone else's Monster better thoguh).
Handling good, brakes excellent for a downspec Monster. Motor is nice.
Ergos don't work for me and my body shape. Everyone's desires in ergos are different, so, perhaps, if it fits you and you're in the market for a nice naked bike, it isn't a bad choice. Sure beats, say, the Z750 or the GSR600 in the suspension and braking department.
Well my s2R had a visit to the Doctor, and I have had the 696 experience while waiting for my S2R to return
I won't have it for long, but it was interesting the things I have noticed.
* overall I don't hate or love the 696, It doesn't reach out and grab me like the S2R/S4R shape did, but that is a personal thing. If I was in the market now, I would have to say I would most likely walk away from the 696, it did nothing for me.
* Much better brakes than the S2R 800, they are a little grabby, but they might just need bedding in.
* The seat is, well, odd, it mashes your bits into the tank, I just couldn't find a comfy position, no matter what I did. Not a big fan of the bigger tank shape, but I do like the intakes.
* Swing arm is to heavy to look at, they have painted it black to try and draw attention away from the size of it, but it's still a big piece of metal!
* Is it just me, but it seems to have lost it's low down torque, you now have to give the thing a good rev to get it to work, I don't think that is keeping with the Monster tradition.
I prefer the way you can see through the older bikes (A point noted by the original Monster designer Miguel Angel Galluzzi) He said you should be able to see through the monster at various points, Light passes through the frame and motor, the principle of motor fame and wheels and stuff all else, The new monster has to much covering the good stuff in my opinion. The bike should be simple and basic, aggressive.
A number of the Mag's have said the Monster has grown up and developed some table manners, but you buy a sterile japanese bike if you want table manners.
I hope I'm wrong, and please don't think I'm putting down the current 696 owners, but It's not my personal choice, I'm very interested to see what the bigger brother to the 696 looks like.
very good personal review of the bike. (from a 696 owner)
thanks for a objective view on it.
Quote from: Raux on September 22, 2008, 05:14:00 AM
very good personal review of the bike. (from a 696 owner)
thanks for a objective view on it.
Yeah, I reserved full judgement till I rode it (see last post previous page).
(http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/6204/ducatimonster1000lr5.jpg)
So, apparently it's going to be introduced in Cologne, not Milan.
http://www.motoblog.it/post/15323/presentazione-ducati-monster-1100 (http://www.motoblog.it/post/15323/presentazione-ducati-monster-1100)
Quote from: pjfa on September 23, 2008, 02:42:12 AM
(http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/6204/ducatimonster1000lr5.jpg)
Where did you find that pic??
Quote from: DesmoTull on September 23, 2008, 04:16:50 AM
Where did you find that pic??
http://www.motoblog.it/post/15323/presentazione-ducati-monster-1100
(http://www.motorradonline.de/sixcms/media.php/109/270_Ducati_Monster_1100.jpg)
http://www.motorradonline.de/fotoshow/neuheiten-2009.308305.d_mrd06_fotoshowcontent.htm?skipimage=49
Quote from: DucatiScott on September 23, 2008, 03:01:39 PM
(http://www.motorradonline.de/sixcms/media.php/109/270_Ducati_Monster_1100.jpg)
http://www.motorradonline.de/fotoshow/neuheiten-2009.308305.d_mrd06_fotoshowcontent.htm?skipimage=49
Don't these people ever have good cameras with them! [laugh]
Quote from: DesmoTull on September 23, 2008, 06:08:38 PM
Don't these people ever have good cameras with them! [laugh]
Yeah.
That's just what it looks like.
:P
Quote from: DucatiScott on September 23, 2008, 03:01:39 PM
(http://www.motorradonline.de/sixcms/media.php/109/270_Ducati_Monster_1100.jpg)
http://www.motorradonline.de/fotoshow/neuheiten-2009.308305.d_mrd06_fotoshowcontent.htm?skipimage=49
;D ;D ;D
Quote from: DesmoTull on September 23, 2008, 06:08:38 PM
Don't these people ever have good cameras with them! [laugh]
Looks like it's a screen capture of a video shot using digital zoom...
Or IZ took it....
Quote from: NAKID on September 26, 2008, 10:43:04 PM
Looks like it's a screen capture of a video shot using digital zoom...
Or IZ took it....
>:(
took you this long to find that..... :P
[laugh]