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So what happens when one gets 4th traffic ticket in the past 12 month.  Unfortunately, after I went to mechanic  before I even make to the highway (R 23), I get pulled over.  I wish I was banging out and i got the ticket.  But this was just cruising.  Anyhow, I am to appear in court and I am now wondering what will happen.  I believe I have about 6 points so far and not sure what 83 on 55 gets one.  Oh well I am just venting here.  Just when I start enjoying country roads too....  >:(

on a good note, bike turned 34K miles today  :-)   620M 2004

take it easy out there....ir get trapster.com

Time to invest on a radar as well.

Trapster sounds pretty nice.  I only wish I had iPhone or similar phones to make use of it.  But nice idea.

How the heck does one ride the speed limit all the time. 

My mistake is I get caught when I ride by myself as I am easy target and I get caught when I think I am cruising and not when bang out or do stupid stuff with others.   >:(

How do you guys bring it under control when you ride.  I have been riding my M620 2004 since 2004 and you would think after 34K miles I would know better.

Unlike other friends of mine who boast that they will not stop, I will stop  ( well in a group ride, I will split in different direction and have done it before and got away with it but if he comes after me, I am stopping) .  No bike is worth a felony and hence affect livelihood!

Someone needs a track day. ;)

Quote from: ab on May 02, 2009, 09:31:36 PM
How the heck does one ride the speed limit all the time. 

How about going easy with the throttle and stay within 10mph of the speed limit.  Going 83 on 55, after 3 tickets already, was probably not the smartest thing for you to.  Slow down and stay safe out there!

Ride one gear lower than you normally do, that will help keep your speeds down.

Tickets suck !

I feel for you.

All you can say is 83 felt and looked like 63 on your speedometer.

Good luck.                                                   Dolph              :)      

Do the take 10% off automatically like they do here ?
Are you aware that your speedo is showing 8-10% more than you are going in reality (gps measure)  ?
If I am combining those two you had 100 on the speedo in a 55 area...
Thats well worth a ticket or four and you deserve it  [evil]
If you are doing more than 50% over the limit they just take your bike in some places here...
But on the other hand there are still travel agencies offering trips to the German autobahn.
you even can rent a R1 or other rice rocket and go 300 and above...just as often as you like  [moto]

are all your tickets for speed?

I taped a picture of my two girls in the center of my speedo to kind of remind me of what I needed to get home to.  My issue wasn't speeding as much as acting stupid on the back roads.  Maybe if you tape a copy of your insurance bill on your tank?

Not sure where you live, but a friend of mine lost his drivers license for a while because of tickets on his bike.  (the last was a 125 in a 45 though)  I'd say you should slow down and enjoy the scenery before the long arm of Johnny PoPo ( [leo]) puts you on a Vespa! 

Good luck in court! 

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Adam

Doesn't Ohio have the death penalty for speeding?

Dude, if you're on a highway - just pace yourself by the flow of traffic, and just make sure you're not the fastest thing out there. 

You should be glad you don't live in my state (VA) 80+ is an automatic reckless charge in addition to the speeding fine.  Unless you'd done traffic school, you'd be on the hook to loose your license about now.

Quote from: psycledelic on May 03, 2009, 05:08:58 AM
Maybe if you tape a copy of your insurance bill on your tank?  

I like that idea.

In ohio, 20 or 25 over is reckless, but I think the police have leeway to write for that rather than it being automatic. I can't imagine a judge being too kind with 4 tickets in one year. Good luck!!

Quote from: ab on May 02, 2009, 09:12:30 PM
So what happens when one gets 4th traffic ticket in the past 12 month.  Unfortunately, after I go to mechanic in Marion (OH) before I even make to the highway (R 23), I get pulled over.  I wish I was banging out and i got the ticket.  But this was just cruising.  Anyhow, I am to appear in court and I am now wondering what will happen.  I believe I have about 6 points so far and not sure what 83 on 55 gets one.  Oh well I am just venting here.  Just when I start enjoying country roads too....  >:(

on a good note, bike turned 34K miles today  :-)   620M 2004

Doesn't Randall have a bit of experience in this situation? ;D

I better make my escape plan out of OH then if death penalty is in effect for speeding  ;D

True, I thought I learned my lesson after the 3rd tickets.  Yes, they were all for speeding. On two occasions when I thought I was cruising and just didn't realize the speed (87,80).  As for the other 2 occasions, I deserved it.  I had to get a lawyer and get the speed reduced from 105 to 80 because the other rider charge was reduced from 105 to 80.  I pleaded other court fine and fee but no point.
Ofcourse, I forgot to mention I got pulled over about a week ago for red light.  I waited to make left turn 3 cycles of the light and finally just went on red and he pulled me over but he let me go with a warning.
My rider friends are starting to  ;D as I am cop magnet and ofcourse because I stop for the  [leo]  (not worth a felony)

I am not proud of this but rather I am mad at myself because i have been going on country road rides (Route 555 and Route 26 in OH) and enjoy the curves and avoid the whole hassle of the [leo].  Of course it takes about 1 hour to 2 to get to this routes.   I was on the reformed rider mode when this happen again.

I will take the idea of [somegirl] "Ride one gear lower than you normally do, that will help keep your speeds down."

All I know is that it is extremely hard to ride the speed limit all the time but I have to discipline myself when I ride by myself or simply not ride by myself and do my group ride and take my chance.

As for my insurance, it has not changed when I renewed after the 3rd ticket last season.  Keeping my fingers crossed.

As for track day, too expensive for my blood.  I simply can not afford it.  I would love to try it out someday.  I realize it is cheaper than ticket and lawyer fee but how often can one do track day?

Well, the good thing is I live 5 miles from work and by coincidence bought a used bicycle (Schwinn Peloton)that morning and may be forced to start bicycling to work  ;)  and hopefully get back to shape :-) 

How many tickets do you fellow riders have so far?

That sucks to hear about all the tickets, I can relate.  I went for about 11 years without being pulled over, then over the past two I've been pulled over 4 times, one for a 30 in a 25 about .5 a mile from my house and the most recent for rolling stop.  I know I didn't because at that stop, it's a sharp dip, and my car needed a full stop to keep from scraping on that one.  I was on my way to the hospital, my dad just had a heart attack.  Cop was a prick.  When I got to the hospital, I saw the same cop with someone else pulled over in the hospital parking lot.  My dad mentioned to me that he was pulled over by the same cop for running a red, which he said he didn't.  City and County budgets are tighter these days, so the only thing they can do for additional revenue generation is ticket enforcement.  As a friend recently said, their motto went from "to protect and serve" to "to ticket motorists and generate revenue."

My advice, FWIW, is to slow down ... I've found myself just hang out with traffic more now when in the car and bike and just taking my time.  Just not in much of a hurry anymore.   

Quote from: ptam on May 03, 2009, 08:41:04 AM
That sucks to hear about all the tickets, I can relate.  I went for about 11 years without being pulled over, then over the past two I've been pulled over 4 times, one for a 30 in a 25 about .5 a mile from my house and the most recent for rolling stop.  I know I didn't because at that stop, it's a sharp dip, and my car needed a full stop to keep from scraping on that one.  I was on my way to the hospital, my dad just had a heart attack.  Cop was a prick.  When I got to the hospital, I saw the same cop with someone else pulled over in the hospital parking lot.  My dad mentioned to me that he was pulled over by the same cop for running a red, which he said he didn't.  City and County budgets are tighter these days, so the only thing they can do for additional revenue generation is ticket enforcement.  As a friend recently said, their motto went from "to protect and serve" to "to ticket motorists and generate revenue."

My advice, FWIW, is to slow down ... I've found myself just hang out with traffic more now when in the car and bike and just taking my time.  Just not in much of a hurry anymore.   

please knock off the cop talk.

Quote from: ab on May 03, 2009, 08:05:09 AM
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As for track day, too expensive for my blood.  I simply can not afford it.  I would love to try it out someday.  I realize it is cheaper than ticket and lawyer fee but how often can one do track day?

Well, the good thing is I live 5 miles from work and by coincidence bought a used bicycle (Schwinn Peloton)that morning and may be forced to start bicycling to work  ;)  and hopefully get back to shape :-) 

How many tickets do you fellow riders have so far?

How much have you paid in fines and lawyer costs?

You should be able to get on the track for four days for less. ;)

As far as abiding by the posted limit, there are places to wick it up and places where you're just begging for a ticket.

Quote from: Statler on May 03, 2009, 08:45:35 AM
please knock off the cop talk.

+1.  Just one thing to add though, and I hope this doesn't cross the line w/ regards to "Cop Talk" -- police officers are people like you and me, and I've noticed that with a few exceptions if you treat them with courtesy and respect, you're fine.  I've gotten pulled over on my Monster bombing through little towns in southern NH (where I admittedly should have slowed down) and have gotten pulled over, only to have a great chat about bikes, the weather, etc.  Pulling over immediately, shutting down your bike, getting off it, and taking off your helmet and being friendly go a long way.  

Act like a punk or a tough guy? Have fun with that.  Want to evade the cops and scatter off?  Have fun with that.  You're not faster than a Motorola.

Anyhoo, as a few other posters have stated, don't speed on the highway - just go with the flow of traffic.  I generally hang out in the " slow " lane since that's the lane least likely to be in the sweep of a laser patrol in the median.  I don't really see the point in bombing down the highway at intergalactic speeds anyways, unless you're in Montana or something - and then it's not really a ticket problem is it  ;D  [evil]

Adam

Are you a  [leo] [Statler]?   ;)   I realize they are people (i hope) but eventhough I am always respectful, it does not mean squat.  Some are pricks and some are not not.  I tend to think most are pricks IMHO.  I don't think the general tendency is to like  [leo] as a biker. 

Yes, I had no ticket the first 3 years  and boom last year it all started going bad.

[dupainter] i think so far almost a 1K.

Have you read The Pace (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=117.0)?  Always ride The Pace.  There are not points for straightline speed or for speeding through inhabited areas.

And get your ass to the track.  There's not a single thing you can do on the street that you can't do a billion times faster on the track.  And you get to do it each and every lap.  And without cops.  

Quote from: ducpainter on May 03, 2009, 08:50:54 AM
As far as abiding by the posted limit, there are places to wick it up and places where you're just begging for a ticket.

+11tyzillion

Backroads between town: check
State routes: check
The track: check

Highway: nope
Residential areas: nope, don't even think about it
"The Strip" or in town: nope

Adam

Quote from: ab on May 03, 2009, 08:56:49 AM
I tend to think most are pricks IMHO. 

[roll] This might be a self fulfilling prophecy.  Try changing our attitude and outlook  [thumbsup]

Adam

Quote from: ab on May 03, 2009, 08:56:49 AM
Are you a  [leo] [Statler]?   ;)  no 

I realize they are people (i hope) but eventhough I am always respectful, it does not mean squat.  Some are pricks and some are not not.  I tend to think most are pricks IMHO.  I don't think the general tendency is to like  [leo] as a biker.     which part of knock off the cop talk did people miss?  

Yes, I had no ticket the first 3 years  and boom last year it all started going bad.

[dupainter] i think so far almost a 1K.   that's a couple track weekends

"...Backroads between town: check..."

that's exactly where I got stopped   >:(

Quote from: DrDesmosedici on May 03, 2009, 09:01:28 AM
[roll] This might be a self fulfilling prophecy.  Try changing our attitude and outlook  [thumbsup]

Adam

I don't have a choice on that.  Do I!?   :'(

Quote from: ab on May 03, 2009, 09:03:03 AM
"...Backroads between town: check..."

that's exactly where I got stopped   >:(

Sending you a PM ...

Adam

OK, at the risk of pissing off any LEOs on the board, here is my advice (not that I would EVER engage in such behavior). It only works once you've gotten to zero points however.
Change your drivers license to a neighboring state NOW.
Get the charge reduced as much as possible so you MIGHT be able to go to school in the new state and wipe it off your record - most states allow you to do this once every 3 years.
Each time you get a new ticket, go to school and switch your licence back and forth to stay within 1 ticket in 3 years.
Buy and use a good radar detector. I like the Valentine because it shows you what direction and how many are on you.
If you choose to run, get a police scanner so you can track their movements. Find sympathetic people on your favorite routes that will let you "go to ground" well off the road.
Good luck.

Quote from: Norm on May 03, 2009, 09:10:56 AM
OK, at the risk of pissing off any LEOs on the board, here is my advice (not that I would EVER engage in such behavior). It only works once you've gotten to zero points however.
Change your drivers license to a neighboring state NOW.
Get the charge reduced as much as possible so you MIGHT be able to go to school in the new state and wipe it off your record - most states allow you to do this once every 3 years.
Each time you get a new ticket, go to school and switch your licence back and forth to stay within 1 ticket in 3 years.
Buy and use a good radar detector. I like the Valentine because it shows you what direction and how many are on you.
If you choose to run, get a police scanner so you can track their movements. Find sympathetic people on your favorite routes that will let you "go to ground" well off the road.
Good luck.

[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]

I can see Nate shaking his head from here

Adam

Quote from: ab on May 03, 2009, 08:56:49 AM
Are you a  [leo] [Statler]?   ;)   I realize they are people (i hope) but eventhough I am always respectful, it does not mean squat.  Some are pricks and some are not not.  I tend to think most are pricks IMHO.  I don't think the general tendency is to like  [leo] as a biker. 

Yes, I had no ticket the first 3 years  and boom last year it all started going bad.

[dupainter] i think so far almost a 1K.

Most trackdays are in the $2-$250 range.

Considering you lose time from work whether you're in court /lawyers office or at the track...

it's even.

Except the track is waaaaay more fun. ;)...and won't lose you your license.

You should give the actual costs a closer look.

3 speeds in NY in a year = license suspension

Quote from: DrDesmosedici on May 03, 2009, 09:12:01 AM
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]

I can see Nate shaking his head from here

Adam

Actually I'm rolling my eyes and trying to decide if I should just lock the thing.

Quote from: ducpainter on May 03, 2009, 09:12:49 AM
....

You should give the actual costs a closer look.

Point taken. 

Quote from: ab on May 03, 2009, 09:21:43 AM
Point taken. 

http://www.sportbiketracktime.com/ (http://www.sportbiketracktime.com/)

;D  [thumbsup]

Adam

83 in a 55?  it wasn't superslab?  and you weren't banging on it?

in california the point system works like this:

The DMV has the right to suspend or revoke your driving privileges if you accumulate a certain number of points over a set period of time.
    * Four points within a 12-month period
    * Six points in a 24-month period
    * Eight points in a 36-month period


Not sure how it works in Ohio, good luck.

Quote from: DrDesmosedici on May 03, 2009, 08:55:25 AM
+1.  Just one thing to add though, and I hope this doesn't cross the line w/ regards to "Cop Talk" -- police officers are people like you and me, and I've noticed that with a few exceptions if you treat them with courtesy and respect, you're fine.  I've gotten pulled over on my Monster bombing through little towns in southern NH (where I admittedly should have slowed down) and have gotten pulled over, only to have a great chat about bikes, the weather, etc.  Pulling over immediately, shutting down your bike, getting off it, and taking off your helmet and being friendly go a long way.  

Act like a punk or a tough guy? Have fun with that.  Want to evade the cops and scatter off?  Have fun with that.  You're not faster than a Motorola.

Anyhoo, as a few other posters have stated, don't speed on the highway - just go with the flow of traffic.  I generally hang out in the " slow " lane since that's the lane least likely to be in the sweep of a laser patrol in the median.  I don't really see the point in bombing down the highway at intergalactic speeds anyways, unless you're in Montana or something - and then it's not really a ticket problem is it  ;D  [evil]

Adam

"no cop talk"

your posting does use the words "LEO and cops"

so i would say under a strict reading of the rule above, you violate the "no cop talk" rule no matter how well intentioned.

statler may disagree but he has stated earlier "what part of no cop talk do you not understand?"

i think we should follow the founder's rule here to the letter.

Quote from: Norm on May 03, 2009, 09:10:56 AM
OK, at the risk of pissing off any LEOs on the board, here is my advice (not that I would EVER engage in such behavior). It only works once you've gotten to zero points however.
Change your drivers license to a neighboring state NOW.
Get the charge reduced as much as possible so you MIGHT be able to go to school in the new state and wipe it off your record - most states allow you to do this once every 3 years.
Each time you get a new ticket, go to school and switch your licence back and forth to stay within 1 ticket in 3 years.
Buy and use a good radar detector. I like the Valentine because it shows you what direction and how many are on you.
If you choose to run, get a police scanner so you can track their movements. Find sympathetic people on your favorite routes that will let you "go to ground" well off the road.
Good luck.

Nate,

honestly IF this practice is 'LEGALLY' allowed under the law then it should not be grounds to close the thread.  This is based on the assumption that it is legal to do these steps.

Its taking advantage and working within the laws on the books then there is nothing you can do except tell your congressman to change the laws. 

if this practice is illegal then the post should be deleted

if its merely "not nice and getting around the law" but not illegal then you may not like it but its not breaking any laws.

I think I hear the lock coming......

Quote from: sbrguy on May 03, 2009, 09:32:12 AM
"no cop talk"

your posting does use the words "LEO and cops"

so i would say under a strict reading of the rule above, you violate the "no cop talk" rule no matter how well intentioned.

statler may disagree but he has stated earlier "what part of no cop talk do you not understand?"

those are the rules.

You didn't put your mod hat on. Be careful...  ;)

Quote from: GotDuc on May 03, 2009, 09:39:35 AM
I think I hear the lock coming......

You didn't put your mod hat on. Be careful...  ;)

I'm not a mod,

I am pleased to see that the moderators are enforcing the rule honestly in a strict manner, which is a good thing, and i hope they continue to do so at all times and tell others "no cop talk at all" to avoid potentially bad threads on this nature from forming even if they start as positive or start as negative threads.

Ab - the cop talk thing is a standing rule on here, that you had to agree too to join the board.  It's in place to keep things civil, since it can be such a divisive subject.  Academic discussion of law enforcement isn't verboten - but name calling is just FYI.

Good luck with your court time.  As said - track time is cheaper than your tix.  Here's a list of schools
http://www.webbikeworld.com/motorcycle-training/ (http://www.webbikeworld.com/motorcycle-training/)

Quote from: Privateer on May 03, 2009, 09:29:57 AM
83 in a 55?  it wasn't superslab?  and you weren't banging on it?

....

No.  I had some engine work done this winter and put the ferracci bore kit... So she got more pep to her now than before.

Quote from: yuu on May 03, 2009, 09:45:58 AM
Ab - the cop talk thing is a standing rule on here, that you had to agree too to join the board.  It's in place to keep things civil, since it can be such a divisive subject.  Academic discussion of law enforcement isn't verboten - but name calling is just FYI.

Good luck with your court time.  As said - track time is cheaper than your tix.  Here's a list of schools
http://www.webbikeworld.com/motorcycle-training/ (http://www.webbikeworld.com/motorcycle-training/)

Point taken begrudgingly   :-\

Will update with a post of the outcome.   Bicycling here I come !

How far are you from mid-ohio?

If my broke, college student ass can afford trackdays, I'm sure you can too. Trust me, I slowed down considerably on the street after my first few trackdays.

As for them being expensive? look into something called cornerworking. Basically what it consists of is working a half day in corner (basically just standing around and waving flags). After doing doing that, track organizations usually let you ride the rest of the day for free. That's basically how I've done all of my track days  [moto] [thumbsup]

Good luck with the tickets, I came from a country where there is basically no law governing traffic, so when I moved here, I had to pay almost 2k in tickets before I wizened the make the beast with two backs up.

(http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t299/4orcefeds13/ibtl.jpg)

;D

Adam

Quote from: El Matador on May 03, 2009, 10:01:27 AM
How far are you from mid-ohio?

If my broke, college student ass can afford trackdays, I'm sure you can too. Trust me, I slowed down considerably on the street after my first few trackdays.

As for them being expensive? look into something called cornerworking. Basically what it consists of is working a half day in corner (basically just standing around and waving flags). After doing doing that, track organizations usually let you ride the rest of the day for free. That's basically how I've done all of my track days  [moto] [thumbsup]

Good luck with the tickets, I came from a country where there is basically no law governing traffic, so when I moved here, I had to pay almost 2k in tickets before I wizened the make the beast with two backs up.

About 40 minutes away.   I will look into "corner working".  Good idea.

I best wizen up now   :-\

Quote from: ab on May 03, 2009, 10:06:20 AM
About 40 minutes away.   I will look into "corner working".  Good idea.

I best wizen up now   :-\

Shit dude, if I was that close I would sell my house and go live in a shack next to it. It is a beautiful freaking track

Quote from: El Matador on May 03, 2009, 10:12:26 AM
Shit dude, if I was that close I would sell my house and go live in a shack next to it. It is a beautiful freaking track

;D

If I get suspended, then I will save up do some track day and definitely look into corner working

Quote from: El Matador on May 03, 2009, 10:12:26 AM
Shit dude, if I was that close I would sell my house and go live in a shack next to it. It is a beautiful freaking track

A house, two three bikes, and the rest and you're a "poor, broke ass college student"? ya sure pal  ;D

Adam

If all the ticket talk is true, your license will probably be history.  I got a speeding ticket in my truck about 2 months ago, HWYs 33 and 166 in Central CA, and the fine was $237.  I can get traffic school, in this county it's 18 months between tickets to allow for traffic school.    I used to average about 2 tickets a year, for about 20 years, then I quit street bikes for a while and rode dirt only, didn't get a ticket for 4 or 5 years.   Then went back to street bikes again and got the felony ticket, $1600 fine, 180 days, lawyer fees, just all around a crappy deal.   I've since slowed down quite a bit on the street.  It's just not worth it.  I have a house now, insurance really sucks, and I don't need it going up.   2 kids in college.  Just all kinds of things that I can't just blow off by going to jail or losing my license.  I still ride kind of like an idiot, but I keep the speeds down.  One of the reasons I bought a Ducati, don't need a 180 mph bike. 

I wonder what would happen if I were ticketed again today?   

I just had a nightmare    [puke]

Quote from: ab on May 03, 2009, 04:52:28 PM
I wonder what would happen if I were ticketed again today?   

I just had a nightmare    [puke]

I'd carry a toothbrush...

just in case. ;)

Quote from: Spidey on May 03, 2009, 08:57:01 AM
Have you read The Pace (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=117.0)?  Always ride The Pace.  There are not points for straightline speed or for speeding through inhabited areas.

And get your ass to the track.  There's not a single thing you can do on the street that you can't do a billion times faster on the track.  And you get to do it each and every lap.  And without cops.  

Spidey , tell me something if you will .

Let's say you are ridinging alone through an area of open land that goes on for miles and then you ride into an area of woodlands all on nice two lane blacktop.

You have ridden for an hour and seen not more than a handful of vehicles.

You are now in prime twisty country and still only a vehicle about 1 every couple of miles .

With your skill level what speed are you going to ride in all honestty in relation to the speed limit through these areas.

I forgot to mention ,you are geared up like you would be if you were at the track.            Dolph     :)

Quote from: DoubleEagle on May 03, 2009, 05:59:49 PM
  Spidey , tell me something if you will .

Let's say you are ridinging alone through an area of open land that goes on for miles and then you ride into an area of woodlands all on nice two lane blacktop.

You have ridden for an hour and seen not more than a handful of vehicles.

You are now in prime twisty country and still only a vehicle about 1 every couple of miles .

With your skill level what speed are you going to ride in all honestty in relation to the speed limit through these areas.

I forgot to mention ,you are geared up like you would be if you were at the track.            Dolph     :)

Uhhhh ... The speed limit?  ;D

Adam

Quote from: DoubleEagle on May 03, 2009, 05:59:49 PM
  Spidey , tell me something if you will .

Let's say you are ridinging alone through an area of open land that goes on for miles and then you ride into an area of woodlands all on nice two lane blacktop.

You have ridden for an hour and seen not more than a handful of vehicles.

You are now in prime twisty country and still only a vehicle about 1 every couple of miles .

With your skill level what speed are you going to ride in all honestty in relation to the speed limit through these areas.

I forgot to mention ,you are geared up like you would be if you were at the track.            Dolph     :)

being geared up in your suit and pucks has no relation at all to riding the pace...

besides, riding hard enough to get your knee down on the street is... kind of anti-pace, innit?

Quote from: teddy037.2 on May 03, 2009, 06:13:57 PM
being geared up in your suit and pucks has no relation at all to riding the pace...

besides, riding hard enough to get your knee down on the street is... kind of anti-pace, innit?

My understanding of " Pace " is a speed that you are comfortable with pursuant to your skill.       Dolph

Quote from: DoubleEagle on May 03, 2009, 05:59:49 PM
  Spidey , tell me something if you will .

Let's say you are ridinging alone through an area of open land that goes on for miles and then you ride into an area of woodlands all on nice two lane blacktop.

You have ridden for an hour and seen not more than a handful of vehicles.

You are now in prime twisty country and still only a vehicle about 1 every couple of miles .

With your skill level what speed are you going to ride in all honestty in relation to the speed limit through these areas.

I forgot to mention ,you are geared up like you would be if you were at the track.            Dolph     :)

Twisties or the straights?  Twisties, I'm gonna ride whatever pace I want, but it will surely be above the speed limit (unless it's a habitated area, which is unusual for twisties-- then it totally depends).  The straights?  I'm probably gonna go about the speed limit or just a bit over.  There's an off-chance I'll have a quick burst to 120 or so (just cuz), but only for a coupla seconds.  I use the straightaways as time to look around and think and avoid getting a ticket where I don't need to. 

But that's not really the point of The Pace.  It's about riding style more than speed. 

That said, I suggested that the OP read The Pace because trying to ride The Pace is a good way of deciding when it's worth speeding and when it's not.  The Pace suggests that the a ton of fun can and should be had on the street without using blinding speed or hard, hard braking.  If you ride The Pace, you're no likely to get a ticket for doing triples digits in a straight line.  Cuz there's little fun to be had doing 100 on a straight.  On the street, there's not as much fun as you'd (or maybe just me) like in doing 80 into a corner, braking down to 35 and then taking the corner (that might be fun on a track though).  OTOH, there's a ton of fun in approaching the same corner at 50mph, not braking at all and then just carying that speed throughout.  Few poeople actually ride The Pace, but it's really fun to try to do it all the time. 

Quote from: Spidey on May 03, 2009, 07:15:24 PM
Twisties or the straights?  Twisties, I'm gonna ride whatever pace I want, but it will surely be above the speed limit (unless it's a habitated area, which is unusual for twisties-- then it totally depends).  The straights?  I'm probably gonna go about the speed limit or just a bit over.  There's an off-chance I'll have a quick burst to 120 or so (just cuz), but only for a coupla seconds.  I use the straightaways as time to look around and think and avoid getting a ticket where I don't need to. 

But that's not really the point of The Pace.  It's about riding style more than speed. 

That said, I suggested that the OP read The Pace because trying to ride The Pace is a good way of deciding when it's worth speeding and when it's not.  The Pace suggests that the a ton of fun can and should be had on the street without using blinding speed or hard, hard braking.  If you ride The Pace, you're no likely to get a ticket for doing triples digits in a straight line.  Cuz there's little fun to be had doing 100 on a straight.  On the street, there's not as much fun as you'd (or maybe just me) like in doing 80 into a corner, braking down to 35 and then taking the corner (that might be fun on a track though).  OTOH, there's a ton of fun in approaching the same corner at 50mph, not braking at all and then just carying that speed throughout.  Few poeople actually ride The Pace, but it's really fun to try to do it all the time. 

I currently try to ride a speed I'm comfortable with and that doesn't necessarily mean 120 on the straights but it might mean 80 -100 most of the time .

I stay out of inhabited areas. Farmland or Forest.Take it easy coming up to hilltops and anywhere that I have a long unobstructed view of the road ahead it's time to quicken the Pace.

I try and not use my brakes in the twisties , just accelerate then roll off the throttle a bit as I approach a curve and then roll hard on the throttle as I get to the apex of the curve.

4 lanes,  it's the speed limit , hard as it is without cruise control.   Dolph    :)

Quote from: ptam on May 03, 2009, 08:41:04 AM
As a friend recently said, their motto went from "to protect and serve" to "to ticket motorists and generate revenue."

To bad its been this way for awhile now :(  Just got my license back from losing it for to many speeding tickets.  They were all in my car except one though.  Duno how I'm being unsafe when I'm on a deserted highway in the middle of the night with tires rated way faster then my car can go, but what ever.

All I can say is good luck my friend.  Not being able to ride for 6 months is hell!

Quote from: Spidey on May 03, 2009, 07:15:24 PM
Twisties or the straights?  Twisties, I'm gonna ride whatever pace I want, but it will surely be above the speed limit (unless it's a habitated area, which is unusual for twisties-- then it totally depends). 

As someone who lives in the twisties, I appreciate this.  I have to walk my dogs in the street and on a weekend with nice weather it's like walking on a hot track.

In the spirit of being mean, I plan on coughing a lot at my court date in court.

I don't really open up on the streets. There are far too many people in this area. When I ride in the national park near me, there are a lot of bicycles to share the road with. Most of them yield most of the time, but it only takes one. I try to watch the people/vehicles, then the road, then the speed limit signs.

as far as the freeway, I'll keep pace w/ the quicker (non-cell phone using) traffic, but what is the point of going open throttle in a straight line?

I'm okay with being one of the slowest forum members.

Riding a 1098R that will go from 0-145 in 10 odd seconds takes a lot of restraint especially when riding for hours on roads that are often the roads less traveled.

To be able to go from 60 to 120 in the blink of an eye and the brakes to stop the bike just as fast or faster means one really must  be very aware of everything ahead ,behind and on all sides.

For the most part I can restrain myself from getting crazy with the bike but the call of the country roads begs the feel of the intoxication of carving curves and strafing sweepers.

It is all I can do to not run flat out when the conditions seem to allow it.

I hear people say that after they do track days they ride slower on the street.

I wonder why that is ?

I find the faster I ride out in the Hills or the Forest, the faster I want to ride the next time out.

I hope to be getting a new GT bike here in the next few days .

Maybe I'll ride it slower as I break it in.

One can only hope.

I'm too old to become a racer and in to bad of physical shape even if I wasn't too old.                           Dolph

Quote from: DrDesmosedici on May 03, 2009, 10:15:53 AM
A house, two three bikes, and the rest and you're a "poor, broke ass college student"? ya sure pal  ;D

Adam

Hey now! I sold the 996 last weekend.  :'( :'( :'(

Quote from: DoubleEagle on May 03, 2009, 11:04:16 PM

I hear people say that after they do track days they ride slower on the street.

I wonder why that is ?

Because you realize even though you think you are faster than light on the street you see you are really soooooo slow once on the track.     And that level of corner speed and acceleration is addicting.   And not having trees and curbs and cars (or walls) to hit makes it even more fun.

And then you see it is impossible to do that on the street even if you wanted to....so the street speed, which is now just mediocre anyway, isn't as fun.  So you slow down a notch.

I've had some great and memorable rides in the last twenty years....  But nothing has been more fun in terms of just motorcycle control and speed as getting on the track in the last couple years.   Now the street is enjoyable for other reasons.....just like driving a performance car would still be fun.

Quote from: ab on May 03, 2009, 10:08:48 PM
In the spirit of being mean, I plan on coughing a lot at my court date in court.

Thats the right attitude. [roll]  Seriously though how is this gonna help your problem?  The only way your gonna stop getting tickets is to slow the hell down on public roads.  These guys have given you good advise and then you say your gonna be disruptive in court?  Way to go.   [thumbsup]

Quote from: DrDesmosedici on May 03, 2009, 10:15:53 AM
A house, two three bikes, and the rest and you're a "poor, broke ass college student"? ya sure pal  ;D

Adam

He's pretty broke ass. I'll vouch for it. he def didn't give any girlfriends (that I know of at least) laptops for their birthday either  [cheeky]
besides, you know from experience that I can't date guys who are financially responsible...not that I am referring to a specific ex....nooo.....

Quote from: Goat_Herder on May 02, 2009, 10:19:32 PM
How about going easy with the throttle and stay within 10mph of the speed limit.  Going 83 on 55, after 3 tickets already, was probably not the smartest thing for you to.  Slow down and stay safe out there!

When I was pulled over by a CHP officer (non-moving violation) he told me he also rode a MC. He told me he always stayed in front of traffic on the freeway because he feels safer. In order to do that I would have to go 90+ mph. I won't go faster than 75 or 80 depending on the freeway. I guess I am not safe.

I make sure that in town I stay in second gear for most roads. That's where I tend to get going too fast. Twisties are thrilling enough when going the speed limit. That's why I never do the group ride thing because I am happy riding "slow."

Onto the really important bits!

Quote from: DoubleEagle on May 03, 2009, 11:04:16 PM
I hope to be getting a new GT bike here in the next few days .

Whatcha getting?  I'm looking at a new C14 for two up adventures  ;D

Adam

Quote from: Statler on May 04, 2009, 07:54:51 AM
Because you realize even though you think you are faster than light on the street you see you are really soooooo slow once on the track.     And that level of corner speed and acceleration is addicting.   And not having trees and curbs and cars (or walls) to hit makes it even more fun.

And then you see it is impossible to do that on the street even if you wanted to....so the street speed, which is now just mediocre anyway, isn't as fun.  So you slow down a notch.

+1

After you get used to pushing it about as hard as you can on the track, you realize that you can't achieve that on the street. If you try you likely won't be alive too long, or you at least won't have a license for long. As such, you just slow down a little when street riding and enjoy the ride. Not to say you go the speed limit everywhere...but the pace slows a bit.

For me it means that I hardly ever take the 848 on the street. I know how I like to ride it, and how it likes to be ridden, and neither are compatible with public roads. The slower, more comfortable Multi is a MUCH better street bike. If it wasn't for my wife taking the 848 out on occassion, it would be a full time trackbike.

Unfortunately, a few bad cops ruin the image for a vast majority of good ones.  Spending four years in a college town caused me to lose all respect for city police.  Although, I don't hold State Troopers / Highway Patrol to the same stereotype.  I have found they are generally respectful if you are.

Quote from: ab on May 03, 2009, 10:08:48 PM
In the spirit of being mean, I plan on coughing a lot at my court date in court.

In the spirit of fairness, karma will probably slap you with a nice juicy verdict  :P

Adam

PS: Not acting douchey in court or when getting pulled over is a really good idea  :)

Quote from: Statler on May 04, 2009, 07:54:51 AM
Because you realize even though you think you are faster than light on the street you see you are really soooooo slow once on the track.     And that level of corner speed and acceleration is addicting.   And not having trees and curbs and cars (or walls) to hit makes it even more fun.

What do you have against trees anyway. It's not there fault they can't move out of the way. But seriously, I have had my fair share of tickets and everytime, it was my own damn fault. After awhile track days start to make a lot of sense from a safety and economic stand point.

Yeah but he got four tickets on a 620. That's trying hard IMO. (ducks and runs for cover) [popcorn]

Quote from: DrDesmosedici on May 04, 2009, 01:41:37 PM
In the spirit of fairness, karma will probably slap you with a nice juicy verdict  :P

Adam

PS: Not acting douchey in court or when getting pulled over is a really good idea  :)

:'(  Karma has already got me.  Trust me.  I will explain after my court dates in two weeks time. 

I will be on best behaviour for my court dates.  Everytime I get pulled over trust me I am very respectful to the coppers.  But it never makes any difference as far as lessen my ticketed speed or anything.

As for riding this season, it is over for me as  of  yesterday (Sunday) :'(. 

I will start saving for track and try it out for the first time.

Good luck.  [thumbsup]

Quote from: amcloud on May 04, 2009, 01:23:00 PM
Unfortunately, a few bad cops ruin the image for a vast majority of good ones.  Spending four years in a college town caused me to lose all respect for city police.  Although, I don't hold State Troopers / Highway Patrol to the same stereotype.  I have found they are generally respectful if you are.

Let's not get this thread started down that path.

Thank you.

Quote from: DoubleEagle on May 03, 2009, 08:04:49 PM
I currently try to ride a speed I'm comfortable with and that doesn't necessarily mean 120 on the straights but it might mean 80 -100 most of the time .

Sorry if this has been covered already.  I haven't read the three or four pages of this thread since last night.

I don't see 80-100 as a useful speed for the street.  That's just me.  It's too fast to have safe fun in the turns, way above the speed limit on slab or straight up n' down, and not fast enough so that you get that "Woohooo! I'm gonna kill myself" feeling of doing triple digits.  I pretty much always keep it under 80 unless I decide I need to do 110 or more (like when I went 140 on my 620 while gettin' a BJ from Paris Hilton).  Cuz if I get a ticket for 83 or 91 or some other speed that is neither fast nor slow, I'm gonna be really pissed.  

Quote from: Spidey on May 04, 2009, 03:16:32 PM
Sorry if this has been covered already.  I haven't read the three or four pages of this thread since last night.

I don't see 80-100 as a useful speed for the street.  That's just me.  It's too fast to have safe fun in the turns, way above the speed limit on slab or straight up n' down, and not fast enough so that you get that "Woohooo! I'm gonna kill myself" feeling of doing triple digits.  I pretty much always keep it under 80 unless I decide I need to do 110 or more (like when I went 140 on my 620 while gettin' a BJ from Paris Hilton).  Cuz if I get a ticket for 83 or 91 or some other speed that is neither fast nor slow, I'm gonna be really pissed.  

On really long trips I might cruise at 85 on a 75 mph highway nut not much more. The acceleration is more exilerating than the top speed anyhow. (except that time at 140 on my old 620 getting a BJ from Paris Hilton while her sister Nicky Hilton watched, beat that)

Quote from: pennyrobber on May 04, 2009, 04:27:27 PM
On really long trips I might cruise at 85 on a 75 mph highway nut not much more. The acceleration is more exilerating than the top speed anyhow. (except that time at 140 on my old 620 getting a BJ from Paris Hilton while her sister Nicky Hilton watched, beat that)

Both them girlies need daddy to buy them some boobies.

Quote from: pennyrobber on May 04, 2009, 04:27:27 PM
On really long trips I might cruise at 85 on a 75 mph highway nut not much more. The acceleration is more exilerating than the top speed anyhow. (except that time at 140 on my old 620 getting a BJ from Paris Hilton while her sister Nicky Hilton watched, beat that)

That's my same rule.  No more than +10 over the speed limit when its not twisties (or City street hooliganism  ;D).  We just don't have any 75mph areas around here. 

I once got a BJ from Randall while he told me about the time he had a threesome with the Hiltons (with the sisters goin' down on each other of course) at 620mph on a 140cc Ducati.  Then we did 2g1c at Mach 3 on a Huffy.  What you got?

So I first checked this thread when it was one page, wow!

So first, thanks to the OP!  Got me off my duff to get the radar detector configured on my Duc.  Been riding / driving with one forever, just hadn't got around to putting it on the Duc yet.

Second, someone commented on a perceived increase in LEO stopping and citing, no warnings.  Today I observed a few vehicles stopped near my office building, not sure what happened but been there 2 yrs and never seen that level of activity before.

And third, to those that keep it under 80?  Ya'll need to have a go at the Midwest (MN here) where you are looking at a big ol' long haul to get to decent riding.  Try I 94 across ND and MT in the summer.  Not much going on til you're out near Billings.

Quote from: Spidey on May 04, 2009, 06:37:25 PM
That's my same rule.  No more than +10 over the speed limit when its not twisties (or City street hooliganism  ;D).  We just don't have any 75mph areas around here. 

I once got a BJ from Randall while he told me about the time he had a threesome with the Hiltons (with the sisters goin' down on each other of course) at 620mph on a 140cc Ducati.  Then we did 2g1c at Mach 3 on a Huffy.  What you got?

BWWWAAAAAAA!!!! You did not just go there! [laugh] [cheeky] [clap]

Quote from: Ducaholic on May 04, 2009, 06:50:31 PM

BWWWAAAAAAA!!!! You did not just go there! [laugh] [cheeky] [clap]

He did... and now I need to bleach my brain.

Quote from: yuu on May 04, 2009, 07:09:50 PM
He did... and now I need to bleach my brain.

Pass the bleach over here when your done.

Quote from: Ducaholic on May 04, 2009, 07:14:20 PM
Pass the bleach over here when your done.

When I'm riding through the twisties, I like to remind myself of the fact that there could be a goddamn deer walking into the street 5 feet in front of me at any time.


That serves to keep speed to where it *should* be.


Riding hard is for the track.

Quote from: Spidey on May 04, 2009, 06:37:25 PM
That's my same rule.  No more than +10 over the speed limit when its not twisties (or City street hooliganism  ;D).  We just don't have any 75mph areas around here. 

I once got a BJ from Randall while he told me about the time he had a threesome with the Hiltons (with the sisters goin' down on each other of course) at 620mph on a 140cc Ducati.  Then we did 2g1c at Mach 3 on a Huffy.  What you got?

All right, you win!  [thumbsup]

Quote from: Statler on May 04, 2009, 07:54:51 AM
Because you realize even though you think you are faster than light on the street you see you are really soooooo slow once on the track.     And that level of corner speed and acceleration is addicting.   And not having trees and curbs and cars (or walls) to hit makes it even more fun.

And then you see it is impossible to do that on the street even if you wanted to....so the street speed, which is now just mediocre anyway, isn't as fun.  So you slow down a notch.

I've had some great and memorable rides in the last twenty years....  But nothing has been more fun in terms of just motorcycle control and speed as getting on the track in the last couple years.   Now the street is enjoyable for other reasons.....just like driving a performance car would still be fun.

I dig what you are saying about getting addicted to the track speed which would be faster than on the " street " so to speak.

So does your street speed just seem slower compared to your track speed ........or

how fast ( if you were riding alone out in the Forest ) would you be riding if the traffic is on the light side , the roads are good, lots of curves and sweepers, how fast in relation to the speed limit  would you be riding ?

You will be riding about 100 miles of roads like this .     Dolph

Quote from: DrDesmosedici on May 04, 2009, 12:50:18 PM
Onto the really important bits!

Whatcha getting?  I'm looking at a new C14 for two up adventures  ;D

Adam

BMW K1300GT

Quote from: Triple J on May 04, 2009, 01:06:33 PM
+1

After you get used to pushing it about as hard as you can on the track, you realize that you can't achieve that on the street. If you try you likely won't be alive too long, or you at least won't have a license for long. As such, you just slow down a little when street riding and enjoy the ride. Not to say you go the speed limit everywhere...but the pace slows a bit.

For me it means that I hardly ever take the 848 on the street. I know how I like to ride it, and how it likes to be ridden, and neither are compatible with public roads. The slower, more comfortable Multi is a MUCH better street bike. If it wasn't for my wife taking the 848 out on occassion, it would be a full time trackbike.

I guess seeing all those trees go by makes it seem like I'm going real fast.

I'm not out to see how fast I can go.

Just how fast I can go and make it thrilling.     

I'm not trying to wear myself out.

You know how it seems like you are going faster the closer to the ground you get.

If a curve speed limit says 35 I take it at 70 .

That's thrilling enough for me .

Double the speed limit in the curves and on the straights.

That's when my fun meter is pegged !   Dolph

Quote from: MrIncredible on May 04, 2009, 07:45:22 PM
When I'm riding through the twisties, I like to remind myself of the fact that there could be a goddamn deer walking into the street 5 feet in front of me at any time.


That serves to keep speed to where it *should* be.


Riding hard is for the track.

Does it hurt less if you hit a Deer at 55 as oppossed to 70 mph ?   Dolph

I generally try to stay 10 to 20 over indicated.  >10 keeps me ahead of cars, <20 keeps my license and insurance in case I get pulled over.

To the OP - I can't believe no one has asked you yet - what is the top speed of your 620?  After you say, we will let you in on our inside secret.

mitt

 [popcorn]

Quote from: MrIncredible on May 04, 2009, 07:45:22 PM
When I'm riding through the twisties, I like to remind myself of the fact that there could be a goddamn deer walking into the street 5 feet in front of me at any time.

+1, it's happened to me a couple of times.  Last month I came around a blind corner to find road workers with a truck backing up in my lane. :o

Quote from: DoubleEagle on May 04, 2009, 08:34:27 PM
  Does it hurt less if you hit a Deer at 55 as oppossed to 70 mph ?   Dolph

Your braking distance will be a lot shorter at 55 than at 70 mph, so you might be able to miss it entirely, and the more speed you can scrub off the better. 

Sounds like a review of Proficient Motorcycling (http://www.amazon.com/Proficient-Motorcycling-Ultimate-Guide-Riding/dp/1933958359/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1241529959&sr=8-1) might be in order.  ;)

Quote from: DoubleEagle on May 04, 2009, 08:26:34 PM
If a curve speed limit says 35 I take it at 70 .

That's thrilling enough for me .

Double the speed limit in the curves and on the straights.

Would you be able to stop in time at that speed if you came around a blind corner and found something in your lane?

Geez - 7 pages. It's a good thing he didn't get EIGHT tickets, we'd run out of band width.

Quote from: Norm on May 05, 2009, 06:36:26 AM
Geez - 7 pages. It's a good thing he didn't get EIGHT tickets, we'd run out of band width.

Really it's only like 3.5 pages that mean anything... some is occupied by homoerotic Randall fantasies...

Quote from: DoubleEagle on May 04, 2009, 08:34:27 PM
  Does it hurt less if you hit a Deer at 55 as oppossed to 70 mph ?   Dolph

When I can SEE the deer on the side of the rod regularly, at night, I ride so that I can stop in half the distance my headlight illuminates.


I have no intention of dying in a stupid manner.

My friends, when I say karma got me, I mean the day after I posted about the 4th ticket, I got another one the very next day on a short spurt (not even 1/4 a mile right at 670 near EASTON (87 on 65).  I have parked the bike for good for this season.  I have court day in two counties on the 18th and 19th.  I am f'd up and just dazed and now accepted it.  I tried to hint at it at one of my posts on Monday when I said "COURT DATES".   I was too embarrased to say it then.  I am now ready to pick up my bicycle on the 19th and start riding her fully expecting license suspension.  I am going to save up for track days.  Nothing more I can say.  Ever since I had the engine bored this winter, it has apparently gotten me in trouble.  I got to blame something.  Oh well...  all my rider friends say i bring bad luck now and am cop magnet.
I wish all this was a nightmare but its true.  After waiting all winter, the season has not really began and I am cut off for my own stupidity.

Quote from: ab on May 05, 2009, 04:13:10 PM
My friends, when I say karma got me, I mean the day after I posted about the 4th ticket, I got another one the very next day on a short spurt (not even 1/4 a mile right at 670 near EASTON (87 on 65).  I have parked the bike for good for this season.  I have court day in two counties on the 18th and 19th.  I am f'd up and just dazed and now accepted it.  I tried to hint at it at one of my posts on Monday when I said "COURT DATES".   I am now ready to pick up my bicycle on the 19th and start riding her fully expecting license suspension.  I am going to save up for track days.  Nothing more I can say.  Ever since I had the engine bored this winter, it has apparently gotten me in trouble.  I got to blame something.  Oh well...

You've no manner of luck at all.  Sorry to hear the news.  I did notice the red S previously - but let it alone.  Can't really help on the court stuff, just not knowledgeable there.  One anecdotal peice of info that helped another rider mitigate a big ticket was that he went into court with the papers showing that he had turned in his bike plate.  The act f supplication did work in his favor, but of course YMMV

But here's something that may save you some cash for a bit.  Check with you insurance about changing your coverage to some sort of storage type setting.  Since you'll not be riding, no need to pay for collision etc - you'll want theft etc of course but that's a lot less.  They may have some rules, like mine won't do that unless I turn in my plate (hassle) but if you are expecting a suspension, it's rather a moot issue.

Quote from: ab on May 05, 2009, 04:13:10 PM
My friends, when I say karma got me, I mean the day after I posted about the 4th ticket, I got another one the very next day on a short spurt (not even 1/4 a mile right at 670 near EASTON (87 on 65

You got a 5th ticket?!?  Wow.  Just wow. 

Good luck. 

Quote from: yuu on May 05, 2009, 04:22:15 PM
You've no manner of luck at all.  Sorry to hear the news.  I did notice the red S previously - but let it alone.  Can't really help on the court stuff, just not knowledgeable there.  One anecdotal peice of info that helped another rider mitigate a big ticket was that he went into court with the papers showing that he had turned in his bike plate.  The act f supplication did work in his favor, but of course YMMV

But here's something that may save you some cash for a bit.  Check with you insurance about changing your coverage to some sort of storage type setting.  Since you'll not be riding, no need to pay for collision etc - you'll want theft etc of course but that's a lot less.  They may have some rules, like mine won't do that unless I turn in my plate (hassle) but if you are expecting a suspension, it's rather a moot issue.

I plan on reducing the coverage.  I usually do that in winter as opposed to dropping it all together.  Looking forward to picking up my road bike schwinn Peloton (used) on the 19th.  Even by some miracle my license is not suspended, I am done for this season until next June  (except maybe try track for 1st time if  I save up $$ and somehow find a riding suit )

Surpisingly, the Sunday ticket did not say I have to go to court but the one on Saturday from State tropper said I have to show up to court.  Strange. 

I plan on pleading not guilty  for the 5th ticket and the next day when I go to 4th ticket see if they suspend me.  I am hoping the 5th ticket will let me plead with only court fee and penality and no points (far fetched dream)

you can rent suits at many tracks. I think Mid-Ohio will let you rent a suit for a track day. I plan on heading out there sometime this summer.

Quote from: somegirl on May 05, 2009, 06:32:11 AM
+1, it's happened to me a couple of times.  Last month I came around a blind corner to find road workers with a truck backing up in my lane. :o

Your braking distance will be a lot shorter at 55 than at 70 mph, so you might be able to miss it entirely, and the more speed you can scrub off the better. 

Sounds like a review of Proficient Motorcycling (http://www.amazon.com/Proficient-Motorcycling-Ultimate-Guide-Riding/dp/1933958359/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1241529959&sr=8-1) might be in order.  ;)

Probably wouldn't hurt anything.

I hope you don't think that I don't know what the consequences are or could be of riding hard off track.

I know all bets are off.

All hazards become more prevalent and more potentially fatal.

Why do people do risky things that they know may maim or kill them?

It's for the thrill !

Why do people climb Mt. Everest ?

Why do they enter the Amazon Rain Forest with all the deadly snakes and insects and other life threatening situations. ?

Why did Evil Knievel continue to jump things when he crashed and broke so many bones ?

It's for the thrill .    Dolph

Quote from: somegirl on May 05, 2009, 06:34:38 AM
Would you be able to stop in time at that speed if you came around a blind corner and found something in your lane?

I only ride those speeds if I can see through the corner and well ahead.    Dolph

Quote from: MrIncredible on May 05, 2009, 01:12:08 PM
When I can SEE the deer on the side of the rod regularly, at night, I ride so that I can stop in half the distance my headlight illuminates.


I have no intention of dying in a stupid manner.

1st of all, I don't ride at night.

I've had Deer walk across the road in front of me as well as coming around a curve and there was a bunch  ( about a dozen ) Wild Turkeys .

Gave me heart palpitations each time but I didn't panic and saw the line that would take me through the safest and followed that line.    Dolph

Quote from: DoubleEagle on May 05, 2009, 08:04:34 PM
   I only ride those speeds if I can see through the corner and well ahead.    Dolph

Glad to hear it. [thumbsup]

Quote from: ab on May 05, 2009, 04:13:10 PM
My friends, when I say karma got me, I mean the day after I posted about the 4th ticket, I got another one the very next day on a short spurt (not even 1/4 a mile right at 670 near EASTON (87 on 65). 

How do you manage this? Do you somehow not know what speed you're doing? It boggles the mind.

Quote from: ab on May 05, 2009, 04:13:10 PM
My friends, when I say karma got me, I mean the day after I posted about the 4th ticket, I got another one the very next day on a short spurt (not even 1/4 a mile right at 670 near EASTON (87 on 65).  I have parked the bike for good for this season.  I have court day in two counties on the 18th and 19th.  I am f'd up and just dazed and now accepted it.  I tried to hint at it at one of my posts on Monday when I said "COURT DATES".   I was too embarrased to say it then.  I am now ready to pick up my bicycle on the 19th and start riding her fully expecting license suspension.  I am going to save up for track days.  Nothing more I can say.  Ever since I had the engine bored this winter, it has apparently gotten me in trouble.  I got to blame something.  Oh well...  all my rider friends say i bring bad luck now and am cop magnet.
I wish all this was a nightmare but its true.  After waiting all winter, the season has not really began and I am cut off for my own stupidity.

So that would make it 5 tickets?  Dooood you need to buy a 50cc scooter.

Quote from: MrIncredible on May 05, 2009, 11:54:10 PM
How do you manage this? Do you somehow not know what speed you're doing? It boggles the mind.

Apparently I do not.   It is quite obvious that I need to save up for radar detector/laser etc.  My gauges on Saturday were fully of water condensation as I had been riding in the rain Friday.  I showed the  [leo] the gauges all covered by bubbles and that it was impossible to see.  But the  [leo] did not give a crap about that. 

Quote from: Ducaholic on May 06, 2009, 05:25:20 AM

So that would make it 5 tickets?  Dooood you need to buy a 50cc scooter.

That sounds about right.  I am going even lower than that.  Like I mention, I am getting a bicycle for this season.
:-\

Quote from: ab on May 06, 2009, 05:45:00 AM
Apparently I do not.   It is quite obvious that I need to save up for radar detector/laser etc.  My gauges on Saturday were fully of water condensation as I had been riding in the rain Friday.  I showed the  [leo] the gauges all covered by bubbles and that it was impossible to see.  But the  [leo] did not give a crap about that. 

That sounds about right.  I am going even lower than that.  Like I mention, I am getting a bicycle for this season.
:-\

I been reading this thread and biting my tongue. Thinking that you are pulling our legs here.
but You actually seem proud of yourself.
so way to go you.
i was going to suggest that you should maybe not stop the next time but sarcasm doesnt always come across well on a forum and you migh actually be dumb enough to do it.  8)

Speeding is a calculated risk you just dont seem to be very good at that tho.
You're not a mortgage broker or a banker are you?  ;D

You have my sympathy. You must be young and until we figured out how to "fly below the radar", many of us have been where you are.
My 3 rules of riding, in order of priority, are:
1 - personal safety.
2 - curtosy(sp) to others.
3 - speed limits and laws.

Quote from: weemonster on May 06, 2009, 06:29:59 AM
I been reading this thread and biting my tongue. Thinking that you are pulling our legs here.

+11tyB  :D

Adam

May I suggest

(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll161/porschaholic/ped0016.jpg)

Quote from: weemonster on May 06, 2009, 06:29:59 AM
I been reading this thread and biting my tongue. Thinking that you are pulling our legs here.
but You actually seem proud of yourself.
so way to go you.
i was going to suggest that you should maybe not stop the next time but sarcasm doesn't always come across well on a forum and you migh actually be dumb enough to do it.  8)

Speeding is a calculated risk you just dont seem to be very good at that tho.
You're not a mortgage broker or a banker are you?  ;D

I wish I was pulling your legs here.  No, far from that I am not proud.  Why would I be proud.  When I posted this I was trying to find out what the consequences of 4th is as that was my first time to have that many tickets and wanted to know the consequences and also vent out.  The whole thing is my own stupidity and trust me I am not proud it as there is simply nothing to be proud about.  I am now the laughing stock with some of the riders I know.

Exactly, I don't seem to have a good eye for the  [leo] and I am paying for that.  If I don't learn from this experience, I am doomed for the life of no motorcycle on the roads.  Simple as that.  My Triumph friend that I ride with is always signaling me when there are cops around and I just dont see them early enough.

I do a lot of riding (put 34K miles)  and like I said past 12 month is when I started getting ticket for first time.  It just all happened in bulk I suppose.  But not even a single ticket between 2004 - 2007.

I wish i was loaded.  The $$ will hurt me deservedly for not being careful enough.  As for being young, nah far from that and old enough to know better  :-[

[weemonster] as for not stopping, in all seriousness out of all the riders that ride with I am the only one who admits that I will stop if  [leo] comes at me.  All the other riders I know talk about running.  I mention this before, running is simply not worth my livelyhood with a felony and endanger my life. 

No offense meant by this but how long have you been riding? And how old are you?  Just curious.  I'm sure most of us have had our share of tickets, I know I have.  My bike seems to attract that sort of attention even if I'm not riding fast. Just make sure all your papers are in order and your good to go.  SA_S2R and I bailed on a group ride this past weekend because it would have ended with a ticket or worse. You can still have fun while keeping a respectable speed. And radar detectors are a false sense of security although they do help.

Quote from: Ducaholic on May 06, 2009, 06:57:05 AM
No offense meant by this but how long have you been riding? And how old are you?  Just curious.  I'm sure most of us have had our share of tickets, I know I have.  My bike seems to attract that sort of attention even if I'm not riding fast. Just make sure all your papers are in order and your good to go.  SA_S2R and I bailed on a group ride this past weekend because it would have ended with a ticket or worse. You can still have fun while keeping a respectable speed. And radar detectors are a false sense of security although they do help.

Been riding six years.  Wrecked my first bike in 2003 (Kawasaki 450cc 1982 - I think that is what it was) then got the Monster in 2004.  Age, 36

As for papers, all is in order always.

The bicycle is a good idea. I'd hate to see you posting about your 12th ticket in 4 months.

slowing down is cheaper than a lidar detector.

My friends laugh at me and call me "the slow guy on a slow ducati" but I have zero tickets on my bike.  They all have crazy stuff like speeding and crossing double yellow. 

Be aware you can get ticket for some things on bicycles too...

JM

I've gotten a few tickets in my lifetime.  None were on the bike though.  And none in Houston where I live now.  What I've found is that generally <13mph over will not get you ticketed.  >13mph will get you the officers signature on that triple copy paper.  

At this point I would suggest it's not a cop problem.  It's not a bike problem, you're on a 620 monster.  It ultimately remains that the only valid reason is......

the bike is red.  And because of blue/red shifting on fast objects, the police radar guns are reading that you are going away from them at a highly increased speed.  They are not calculating this color shift using basic radar/laser guns, so they are incorrectly ticketing you going faster than you are!


or...

You need to slow your butt down.  

Quote from: Privateer on May 06, 2009, 07:21:14 AM
slowing down is cheaper than a lidar detector.

My friends laugh at me and call me "the slow guy on a slow ducati" but I have zero tickets on my bike.  They all have crazy stuff like speeding and crossing double yellow. 

+1

Just slow the hell down man. Its not your guages, its not your lack of a detector, its not your inability to see cops. You need to get control of yourself and slow down, plain and simple.

Good luck, I hope you don't lose your license.

Quote from: JBubble on May 06, 2009, 07:49:28 AM
+1

Just slow the hell down man. Its not your guages, its not your lack of a detector, its not your inability to see cops. You need to get control of yourself and slow down, plain and simple.

Good luck, I hope you don't lose your license.

Amen and thanks.

Quote from: slim_grizzy on May 06, 2009, 07:39:20 AM
I've gotten a few tickets in my lifetime.  None were on the bike though.  And none in Houston where I live now.  What I've found is that generally <13mph over will not get you ticketed.  >13mph will get you the officers signature on that triple copy paper.  

At this point I would suggest it's not a cop problem.  It's not a bike problem, you're on a 620 monster.  It ultimately remains that the only valid reason is......

the bike is red.  And because of blue/red shifting on fast objects, the police radar guns are reading that you are going away from them at a highly increased speed.  They are not calculating this color shift using basic radar/laser guns, so they are incorrectly ticketing you going faster than you are!


or...

You need to slow your butt down.  

Swing by the local section. THCM  [thumbsup]

/threadjack

I don't know exactly where you live or ride but there are plenty of places near C-bus with great riding.  You've had to know that there are always cops right near easton and always on 670.  Gahanna and State Highway Patrol both sit there all the time. 

It sucks you've got so many tickets but I very rarely see any cops when I ride in the NE part of Franklin county or head down south around Chillicothe. 

Quote from: metallimonster on May 06, 2009, 09:13:05 AM
I don't know exactly where you live or ride but there are plenty of places near C-bus with great riding.  You've had to know that there are always cops right near easton and always on 670.  Gahanna and State Highway Patrol both sit there all the time. 

It sucks you've got so many tickets but I very rarely see any cops when I ride in the NE part of Franklin county or head down south around Chillicothe. 

The best routes I have found so far are Routes 555 ( in Zanesville area which takes about 45 minutes to get to from COL ) and Route 26 near Marietta ( about 1 1/2 hour from COL ).   Been to hocking hill a few times (Route 664 i think) You are correct on the 670 area and the cops.   Don't remind me.   I ride with people at the Taco bell on high.

Quote from: ab on May 06, 2009, 09:33:52 AM
The best routes I have found so far are Routes 555 ( in Zanesville area which takes about 45 minutes to get to from COL ) and Route 26 near Marietta ( about 1 1/2 hour from COL ).   You are correct on the 670 area and the cops.   Don't remind me.   I ride with people at the Taco bell on high.

I would say you need to change your group then because I'm sure they are part of the reason your getting pulled over.  From what I've seen they are a bunch of squids.  I'm sure they can all ride very well, probably way better than I do, but man that group is notorius all around Columbus for getting into trouble.  Wheelies, stunts, dangerous speeding are all things that come to mind when I think of that group and I'm only 25. Imagine what non-riders think!  I'm sure the cops know your bike by now.  I personally ,and I'm sure Cyrus would too, stay as far away from that group as possible.  I got caught up with them on 670 when I was first learning to ride on my 250 Ninja and actually pulled off on the side of the highway to avoid them.

Plenty of other good roads closer than either of those two.  Trying going South, Hocking Hills/Athens area is a wonderfull place to ride.  [thumbsup]

Quote from: the_Journeyman on May 06, 2009, 07:38:25 AM
Be aware you can get ticket for some things on bicycles too...

JM

[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]

i just got my very first speeding ticket ever last month, in a big giant pickup truck  :-\

Quote from: DuCaTiNi on May 06, 2009, 02:22:44 PM
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]

i just got my very first speeding ticket ever last month, in a big giant pickup truck  :-\

You need to slow down there missy. Stop driving big trucks with the wrong crowd.  ;D

Quote from: Ducaholic on May 06, 2009, 02:27:21 PM


You need to slow down there missy. Stop driving big trucks with the wrong crowd.  ;D

[laugh]

i plead not guilty  ;D

Quote from: DuCaTiNi on May 06, 2009, 02:29:37 PM
[laugh]

i plead not guilty  ;D

we understand.   It's probably quicker than a 620 so it's hard to drive slow.    ;D

(also owns a 620 so nobody get all bent out of shape)

Quote from: Statler on May 06, 2009, 04:23:02 PM
we understand.   It's probably quicker than a 620 so it's hard to drive slow.    ;D

(also owns a 620 so nobody get all bent out of shape)

it would have been "cooler" to get a ticket on the 620  [laugh]

in my defense... i'm not used to the power of the tundra, i was coasting when i got the ticket  [laugh]

Quote from: the_Journeyman on May 06, 2009, 07:38:25 AM
Be aware you can get ticket for some things on bicycles too...

I nearly got one many years ago for running a red light (my bicycle wouldn't trip the traffic sensor).  I have to admit to using tears to get out of it. [roll]

My worst case of speeding, proportionally speaking, was more than 4 times the speed limit on a bicycle. [evil]

(22 in a 5 mph zone...it was on an empty trail, the sign says "radar" but I've never noticed any evidence of that.)

Quote from: somegirl on May 06, 2009, 09:11:21 PM
I nearly got one many years ago for running a red light (my bicycle wouldn't trip the traffic sensor). 

NC just recently passed some legislation that allows motorcycles and bicycles to go through a red light if safe to do so if the red light sensors ignores the vehicle for three cycles of the light or 5 minutes.

JM

Slow down.  Just think how slow you would be if you had your license and bike taken from you!

I read through this whole thread and you need to slow down before you or somebody else gets hurt.  I really hope that somehow you do not lose your license but it might be the wakeup call you need.  The fact you got a ticket 2 days in a row is saying something.  I ride a 1098 and i am constantly scanning and watching my speed on the bike.  I know it can break the limit extremely quickly and i have to use self control.  I have received 1 ticket on my bike and since then i make sure to watch my speed on both the bike and in the car.  Granted i open the bike up like everybody else but on roads i know are deserted, middle of nowhere etc.  Anything in town, highway and other well traveled roads i stay more reserved.  If its a highway i just make sure somebody is going faster than me which is very easy if your only go 15mph over the limit max where i live.

You say that you never notice cops and this makes me worry about your situational awareness.  Especially since you can not seem to judge speed very well.  IMO you need to pay more attention to what you are doing when riding a bike it sounds like you are not.

As others have said it is time for the track since you can not control yourself on the street.  On a 620 track days are not that expensive $200 on average i think for a day is normal for registration.  Then factor in gas, food and maybe a hotel.  You have a track close to you from what i read so a hotel would not even be needed.  I don't know how fast you would burn through tires but it will still be cheaper than tickets in the long run and a lot more fun. 

I have no ill will and do not want you to lose your license i hope it all works out for you.  Good luck

Quote from: GLantern on May 07, 2009, 09:43:15 AM
I read through this whole thread and you need to slow down before you or somebody else gets hurt.  I really hope that somehow you do not lose your license but it might be the wakeup call you need.  The fact you got a ticket 2 days in a row is saying something.  I ride a 1098 and i am constantly scanning and watching my speed on the bike.  I know it can break the limit extremely quickly and i have to use self control.  I have received 1 ticket on my bike and since then i make sure to watch my speed on both the bike and in the car.  Granted i open the bike up like everybody else but on roads i know are deserted, middle of nowhere etc.  Anything in town, highway and other well traveled roads i stay more reserved.  If its a highway i just make sure somebody is going faster than me which is very easy if your only go 15mph over the limit max where i live.

You say that you never notice cops and this makes me worry about your situational awareness.  Especially since you can not seem to judge speed very well.  IMO you need to pay more attention to what you are doing when riding a bike it sounds like you are not.

As others have said it is time for the track since you can not control yourself on the street.  On a 620 track days are not that expensive $200 on average i think for a day is normal for registration.  Then factor in gas, food and maybe a hotel.  You have a track close to you from what i read so a hotel would not even be needed.  I don't know how fast you would burn through tires but it will still be cheaper than tickets in the long run and a lot more fun. 

I have no ill will and do not want you to lose your license i hope it all works out for you.  Good luck

Thanks and point taken. 

I know that I am very aware of what is around me and be as safe as possible and take the calculated risks, but I do need to keep an eye on the gauge extra diligently and have more self control.

I hope this is not a derby...I tried to read through the whole thread, but it was getting painful.  Your original post was a vent and asked if anyone had any knowledge of your situation.  Well, I don't have knowledge of what happens after that amount of offenses, but I can tell you what will help.  Take an online course for driver safety/aggressive driving.  It will put points back on your license, and show that you are cognizant of your driving behavior, which the Judge will like to see.
Good luck!

Quote from: DrDesmosedici on May 04, 2009, 12:50:18 PM
Onto the really important bits!

Whatcha getting?  I'm looking at a new C14 for two up adventures  ;D

Adam

Just picked up a new BMW K1300GT

(http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp315/DBLEGL/DSCN0179.jpg)

(http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp315/DBLEGL/DSCN0180.jpg)         Dolph

Quote from: the_Journeyman on May 07, 2009, 05:37:52 AM
NC just recently passed some legislation that allows motorcycles and bicycles to go through a red light if safe to do so if the red light sensors ignores the vehicle for three cycles of the light or 5 minutes.

JM

I think MD law is 2 full cycle of the red light then you can run it if the road is clear.  I have a light near where I live that will never trip so I usually only wait 1 full turn before going.

Quote from: DoubleEagle on May 07, 2009, 01:32:38 PM
Just picked up a new BMW K1300GT

(http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp315/DBLEGL/DSCN0179.jpg)

(http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp315/DBLEGL/DSCN0180.jpg)         Dolph

YESSSSSSSSSSSS! The 1200GT is one of my favorites, the 1300 ... even more so! 

If i'm ever out in your neck of the woods we'll have to go for some transcontinental spout touring ... Emphasis on sport!  [evil]

Adam

Quote from: DrDesmosedici on May 07, 2009, 01:56:42 PM
YESSSSSSSSSSSS! The 1200GT is one of my favorites, the 1300 ... even more so! 

If i'm ever out in your neck of the woods we'll have to go for some transcontinental spout touring ... Emphasis on sport!  [evil]

Adam

Sporting on trucks these days?

Quote from: ducpainter on May 07, 2009, 05:53:37 PM
Sporting on trucks these days?

QuoteNate, with 145 RWHP and 89 lb.ft. of Torque and multiple settings for the Suspension at the touch of a button and manual Spring adjusters , then take off the cases  and at around 600 lbs. don't you think it could be .......Sporty ?           Dolph

Appearances can be deceiving.  ;)

I used to ride with some old guys on toaster tank R/75's that could really haul the mail.  Haven't seen them in years, though.

Quote from: DoubleEagle on May 07, 2009, 06:17:29 PM

Quote from: ducpainter on May 07, 2009, 05:53:37 PM
Sporting on trucks these days?
[ /quote]Nate, with 145 RWHP and 89 lb.ft. of Torque and multiple settings for the Suspension at the touch of a button and manual Spring adjusters , then take off the cases  and at around 600 lbs. don't you think it could be .......Sporty ?           Dolph

yeah but that thing "only" has a top speed of 165 mph electronically limited.. so its toooo damn slow   [laugh]

but seriously Dolph, its a beauty of a nice bike, a friend has a k1200r sport, he loves that thing, insanely fast and really smooth and stable, your's is probably even more so. 

enjoy the bike and stay safe, and make sure you take some very very long touring trips on that thing, it would be a shame not to.

Quote from: ducpainter on May 07, 2009, 06:20:17 PM
Appearances can be deceiving.  ;)

It's suppose to be for "Crusin' " so that I will have a bike to ride slower . A bike to be able to ride and take in the scenery instead of being bent over and racing from curve to curve all the time.

I'll still ride the " R " and the S4Rs but I want to slow down from time to time and also enjoy some comfortable longer rides.     Dolph    :)

How many times do most of you go out to track in a season?  At $200, it certainly isn't cheap.  I sure will give it a try at least once this season if I can save up for it. 

Quote from: ab on May 08, 2009, 04:17:05 AM
How many times do most of you go out to track in a season?  At $200, it certainly isn't cheap.  I sure will give it a try at least once this season if I can save up for it. 

I do about 10 days a year.

I volunteer for a track school and one of the benefits for working is getting to ride about a half day.

My annual 'vacation' is a trip to a track in MI for three days that about 50 of us rent.

Quote from: ducpainter on May 08, 2009, 04:28:27 AM
I do about 10 days a year.

I volunteer for a track school and one of the benefits for working is getting to ride about a half day.

My annual 'vacation' is a trip to a track in MI for three days that about 50 of us rent.

Wow, 10 times is so expensive if you paying it.
Per suggestions in this thread, I will give that track flag work etc a try.  I will have to start making inquiry about that for mid-ohio and find out what the prerequisites are.

Not that it matters to anyone  [roll], one down one to go.  Keeping fingers crossed.

Quote from: ab on May 18, 2009, 04:14:24 PM
Not that it matters to anyone  [roll], one down one to go.  Keeping fingers crossed.

Good stuff!  Good luck on the next one!

Quote from: GLantern on May 18, 2009, 05:01:17 PM
Good stuff!  Good luck on the next one!

Thanks GLantern. 

In conclusion, it's all over now and still got my license.  One ticket pleaded down to 0 points and lessor speed, second one stands as is.  I can't complain.

Thanks all for letting me vent here.

ps.  On my way back, picked up my used bicycle and rode a bit nearby street and boy was that scary experience.   

Quote from: ab on May 19, 2009, 01:33:37 PM
Thanks GLantern. 

In conclusion, it's all over now and still got my license.  One ticket pleaded down to 0 points and lessor speed, second one stands as is.  I can't complain.

Thanks all for letting me vent here.

ps.  On my way back, picked up my used bicycle and rode a bit nearby street and boy was that scary experience.   

Glad to hear AB, take it easy out there and check out a track like we all said before.  We all want you to keep riding!

Dude we should go riding sometime.   Just let me be the leader,  I ride pretty slow.  (most of the time). ;D

Anyways it would be good to ride with another 620.

Quote from: metallimonster on May 19, 2009, 06:17:20 PM
Dude we should go riding sometime.   Just let me be the leader,  I ride pretty slow.  (most of the time). ;D

Anyways it would be good to ride with another 620.

Anytime leader   ;D.  PM me.