GUN STUFF

[ducatiz]

While we are on the subject, I have seriously been thinking about dumping my Steyr AUG full auto. I've had it since 1989 and it's probably stupid money now. It's too damn expensive to shoot a lot in these times. Don't know if that will hurt it's value, but I assume most folks who can afford a .223 full auto can also afford the ammo.

If you've had it since 89 then you are definitely going to make money off that.  Those original AUGs are pretty rare, but I don't know that they sell for a huge premium.  M16s will sell for 15-20 easily, but I've seen AUGs go for 12-15 max.

FYI the AUG has the same polyamide nylon stock as in our problematic gas tanks...  they treated it though to prevent water absorption...

[ducatiz]

Ben, one tip, when you register the lower as an SBR, you should put the SHORTEST barrel you can think of in the form.  You'll never be hassled for putting on a longer barrel.  I registered mine with the 7" and don't even own the 7" pos anymore.  You have to state the caliber too but there isn't any issue with swapping caliber later.

[fastwin]

Because selling the AUG will fund the Panigale. 

I paid like $2,000 for it in 1989. Less for the MP-5. Again, good investment!

[cokey]

Damn, I didn't know rifles were so expensive

[ducatiz]

Damn, I didn't know rifles were so expensive

full auto firearms are expensive because they can no longer be made for civilian use, so the only ones available are 1986 and older. 

you can convert a regular rifle to a short-barrel legally if you register it, but you cannot convert it to full auto.

[WarrenJ]

Full auto stuff is a lot of fun to play with, but I found that at least for myself, I can engage more targets faster with a handgun or shotgun.  I've had the opportunity to go through some timed field shooting courses with pistol/shotgun, then with subguns so I do have some empirical data at least for myself.  An acquaintance of mine was the head of one of the Chicago Tactical Police teams.  His group had the choice of MP-5's or 12" Entry Benelli 12 ga shotguns.  They never used the MP-5's. 

You can't miss fast enough to make up for not hitting your target.  Only hits count.

Thats not to say the MP-5 isnt a fine gun.  Its probably the most controllable, easy to hit with subgun I have ever used.

At one point, HK was looking at sponsoring my wife and we got to play with a wide variety of their toys and spend some time with their trainers.  I think the one I liked the best was a 10" barreled, collapsible stocked, select fire 223.  WOW was that an amazing gun. 

[Monsterlover]

This got my attention..

Ruger SR22

http://www.ruger.com/products/sr22Pistol/index.html

[fastwin]

Yeppers, love my MP-5. You're right, it is very controllable and very reliable. I've run every possible make of 9mm through it I could find. Blazer, Win, Rem, S&B, Norinco, Euro military surplus, etc. Ate and spit out every round. I cannot remember it ever jamming. Just good basic maintenance and post shoot cleaning... that's it. It's like owning a bike that never breaks, runs forever and all you do is ride it and give it a post ride wash. What's not to like?

[DRKWNG]

What's not to like?

The fact that I don't have one. 

[Monsterlover]

^^^

agreed

[fastwin]

This got my attention..

Ruger SR22

http://www.ruger.com/products/sr22Pistol/index.html

I also love my two MKII Rugers! Both bull barrel, one blue and one stainless. Two of the best pistols I have ever owned. Not sure if I will ever need to buy another .22 handgun.

Got to shoot my friend's old High Standard HD Military .22 at his ranch in November. That too was one fine shooting old .22.

[swampduc]

Question: are there general rules for how long ammo is safe and effective? For instance, I have a 4 yr old case of shotgun shells. Some of my pistol ammo is older than that. Can I rely on that stuff?
The question reoccured to me when ML mentioned stocking up on shotgun shells in prep for the zombiepocalypse 

[muskrat]

we just shot reloads over Christmas that were more than 10 years old.  Stored inside the house of course but they worked perfectly.  Was that just stupid of us?   

[ducatiz]

we just shot reloads over Christmas that were more than 10 years old.  Stored inside the house of course but they worked perfectly.  Was that just stupid of us?   

did you have any squibs or blow off a cheek?

[fastwin]

Question: are there general rules for how long ammo is safe and effective? For instance, I have a 4 yr old case of shotgun shells. Some of my pistol ammo is older than that. Can I rely on that stuff?
The question reoccured to me when ML mentioned stocking up on shotgun shells in prep for the zombiepocalypse 

My opinion (not fact) and experience is that if it is kept indoors (clean and dry) that it should last a very long time. I have heard that exposure to extreme heat (like some of mine that I keep in a rented metal storage unit) can have a negative effect on the powder charge over a long period of time. But I have never had a problem with any of my long term storage ammo. But then again it's kept in the orginal boxes/cases or in sealed US military metal ammo cans and it is clean and dry.


Who knows? The next time I shoot any of it they could all be duds! That whole zombie thing is enough for me to stock pile ammo. I'm watching all the re-runs of Walking Dead to pick up any zombie tips.