Ducati Monster Forum

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In transit.

now you'll have to say it's had a slow speed lowside

it fell over while parked cause the kickstand failed.

That's some interesting bodywork you got there, but what happened to the other half?

Or alternatively:

That fairing has the aerodynamics of a leaky barn door!

Dont worry DL, I'm taking this seriously. [popcorn]

 [popcorn] Well.....is that it?  As someone who would love nothing more than punting my FI into the Pacific Ocean, I'm all ears.

Everything is scheduled to show up Wednesday.  And I mean almost everything. Pics will shortly follow.

Nice project!
Whats your plan for ignition?

Reusing my ignitech

DS engine?  Check.

FCRs?  Check.

I got my ears on.

what material is the tank?  (I know, I'm kicking the hornet's nest  [evil] )

Pex plastic. Keeping it light. Sorry about being vague shit.

Other than the 900 engine, are all the parts listed below your posts?  ;D

Ummmmmmmm. Yeah. But some very different changes.

This is how she arrived Wednesday.

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The frame and motor are fastened to the pallet and I still haven't removed them. I'm waiting to finish my engine stand.

I know this is the wrong thread but my ca-cycleworks gift trumps everyones.
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I'd be lying if I said I wasn't full of envy.
Show us how it's done DL.
 [popcorn]

She's finally erected.

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Pulled off the yucky stock clutch assembly. Are the stock friction plates suppose to be aluminum cause to ones on this motor are? Maybe its aftermarket.

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More money shots
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 [thumbsup] That carb looks cool as hell sitting on top of that engine.  The stock friction plates on my DS1000 engine were aluminum.  Are those the stock manifolds?  Did the carbs attach to those manifolds without any problems?

yeah what manifolds are those? ??? they look like the factory intakes but those are way too big.

Well that's cool about the plates. I'm used to the 900 clutch assembly where everything is steel.

Yeah these are the stock manifolds.

Larger threaded couplers on the exit side of the carbs were used since the manifold have a larger diameter than 900 manifolds. Also keihin or Sudco kinda doesn't make an off the shelf kit for a 1000 motor but the kit was pieced together without a problem.

The only problem I've seen using the stock intake manifold is the crazy angle the bowls rest at. The horizontal bowl is about 20°, but the vertical bowl sits about a 50° angle.

what spigot part # is that?

i wonder if you could reverse them or use two horizontals/verticals to get a better hookup?

Spigots are the same part#

i am talking about the intake spigot.   there are about 20 in the catalogue for different bikes.

http://www.sudco.com/Carburetor/SudcoKeihinCatalog.pdf (http://www.sudco.com/Carburetor/SudcoKeihinCatalog.pdf)
page 33-34


Looks like it is part N195-32D, for a Honda Blackhawk.

The DS manifold has an ID of ~49.50 mm at the lip (widest).  The only spigot with that OD for the lip is N195-32D, which has an OAL of 26mm and a port diameter of 41.5

There is one for the BMW R100 (N195-874) that has a 52mm OD and slightly longer at 29.3mm

For comparison, the spigot for the FCR single for Ducati has a mouth of 44.5mm, a port diameter of 39mm (regardless of carb type) and a length of 37mm.

I wonder if being 11mm shorter is bad.  The fact that the port is so much smaller is interesting.  Seems you are losing something with a FCR41 having to neck down to a 39 port.

I bet that BMW adapter would do it, it's 8mm shorter. THe OD of the mouth would fit into that manifoled with a little elbow greasw.

Anything is possible with enough time... Everyone I have ever talked to said not to mix sidedraft/downdraft carbs. I tried it once. Not sure if that bike ever idled again... last I heard the next owner refitted stock manifolds and dual FCRs.

DL: I talked to the belt people to try and get the sprockets back for your engine... turns out they're using them in the jig for measuring all the belts as they come in. :( sorry dude!

i meant horiz/vert manifolds, not side/down carbs.  i think that would be a clustermake the beast with two backs.

Gday Chris. You don't recommend a side draught for the rear pot? I thought this was the set up MBP used, or did I think wrong? I know JD Hord prefers two down draught with custom manifolds.

Is the issue in regard to relative float bowl angles and friggin with the float levels to get even low speed running, or IMS and slow jet tuning for very asymmetrical manifolds?

DL, I reckon FCRs, DP cams,  and squish set with thinner head gasket or no base gasket and you got 100+ hp. Whoo hoo!

Ah, well, we found this setup works on newer generation engines with the original manifolds. Since they're not exactly easy to find, I didn't think to make it more difficult. ;)

koko: one fellow reported 96 hp on all stock engine. Without any tuning to dial it in. A racer who "did everything" to his engine and made this his last mod got over 115 "real" hp, which equates to about 130 dynojet!

Thanks Chris. Bloody hell, shows the untapped potential of the DS and how strangled they are in stock form.
Now, do I try to import a DS motor and frig around with regulations in Oz, or settle for  944 JEs, more porting and 44 mm inlet valves for the next rebuild...

strangled? fuel or air wise?

id love to get 96hp out of my bike without droping in a ton of money.....

koko: other than for dual FCRs, oil, and gas, I wouldn't spend another cent on the 900 engine.

Chris...what runs the ignition?

One guy used the Nemesis another Ignitech. Still others have used the OEM efi to run the ignition with a resistor in the TPS. (or I guess we could order one FCR with TPS).

Hmmm...

I ask as I'm at this step with the ds1100/749R I'm building.  Plan was to get it running on the FI as I have all the bits.  But those FCR's (like I have on my 900) are tits...

A resistor for the TPS?  There isn't a MAP sensor, so is the timing curve a fixed one at that point (with the resistor?).  A FCR with a TPS would be pretty cool, and with the freeware duc mapping program out there you could map your ignition via the ECU/OEM setup.

Would be a whole lot easier if Ducati just became a bit more modern and used a speed density setup instead of this Alpha-N based one (or maybe that is a result of a big twin and streetability/pulses....I'm not an engineer)

Can you take a look at the spigot (what you call the coupler) to see what code is stamped on it?

Pretty Please?

It will look like this (part # is 21D)
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There isn't a part number, but I'm sure Chris could answer that Q.

unless those are custom made, there has to be.  the spigot is a catalog part.. 

What say you, Chris??

In order how Sudco measures

A 40.75mm
B 47.00mm
C 26.00mm

sweet


which is really interesting because i measure the manifold mouth (on the stock ducati manifold) to be about 49.5mm  I assumed it would be one of the bigger-mouthed models.  The spigot for the K100 has a 52mm "B" and a 29mm "C"

thanks for the help!!

So today I swapped out to the correct needles on the carbs and loosely bolted the frame to the motor. Shortly afterwards Ive ran into some clearance issues.

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And

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I'm not one to be afraid to chop the 2 braces out but will need to reincorporated the braces maybe in a slightly different location, and maybe a couple extra gussets.


Cheers

Its the crossmember?

Wow.

What year is your bike again?

Yeah its 2 separate cross members. The one under where the battery/airbox mounts to and the othe runs diagonal to near the headtube area.

It's a 03 monster 1000ds frame. Tonight I'll highlight the tubes without the carbs in for a better picture.

Humm.. I guess the FI throttle bodies are pretty small compared to the carbs.  I never thought about that.

But those members are necessary.  Not going to be easy to move them.  Maybe cut and sleeve the stub and re angle them but then you change the geometry of the frame..

I'll take those FCRs off your hands.. :-)

Seems like it'd be easier to fab up a pair of intake manifolds to route the carbs around.

It's one of the reasons why I'm considering going with the split singles opposed to the joined up EFI setup...

it doesn't look like that would work.  the manifold isn't the problem its the huge Carb body

Sorry about depriving y'all, but I've been wrenching on a buddys car and holding out on my wife. She's happier at me now, but here's the properly labeled crossmembers that are causing problems.


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The "i'm gay" member interferes with the horizontal carb and the "prefers wieners" member interferes with the vertical carb

Now I just need to wack'em off then come up with a different solution.

Mmmmmmmmm can't wait.

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"Dogleg" the offending crossmembers and triangulate them to the other side, like a 'Y'.

Wow, a Ti spring, you've drunk the whole bottle of Kool-Aid.

wut?  futthawuck??

wooowww.. gimmie that pitcher... ohyeaaahh!

 [drink]

I just order possibly the most important piece on the build. Coming all the way from Deutschland.

...tease...

Wait...

SuperSport rear suspension on a Monster frame? 

Hmmmm...  Need some build pics of that conversion?

i enjoy the play on words with the cross members names and the phrase "i'm going to whack them off".

sweet build, i'm definitely watching closely.  i hope to put some split singles on me monsta soon, so i can move the banked ones on to milli's bike, while putting v2 cams in both.   have had next to no time recently, SO its slow going

Nothing really new to report. Expedited International shipping takes too long.  :P I have been studying exhaust systems to determine what style, header diameter and exhaust I'm going to build. I have a rough idea what i want and need to finalize the details.

i bought my DP cams today. :-[

i really didn't want to buy them this early in the build, but the supply is nearly dwindled away. so on to better news for me. i'll shortly have some very nice 900 parts for sale to further fund my addictions.

"DAMN GERMAN TOP SECRET PART" still hasn't shown up yet.

I've got to build an exhaust for a 900ss, so please share some info on the diameter you were planning on using.  I'm thinking 1.75, but I'm probably wrong.

Well your right on the 1.75in diameter or 45mm, but I wanting to build a 2-1. So far I'm having a hard time finding a big enough inlet and outlet on the muffler. I need a 2.5in inlet muffler that I like.

try Jegs.
it's auto stuff but you'll be surprised at all the bike-adaptable mufflers including stainless, CF, aluminum, etc.
lots of 2.5in mufflers.

remember "Termignoni" is just italian for "Cherrybomb"  ;D

That's what I kept telling people, but nobody would believe me.

TPIWWOP...

bgtd

How's it going DL?
You got around the frame spar issues yet?
Hope you found s solution.

Everything's fine.
I haven't messed with the frame cause in waiting for some parts to come in, but I have thought of some ideas.
I hate having the feeling spending a nice amount of loot  on parts and have nothing to show for.
I really want to explain what I'm doing, but that'll spoil it.

:(     amen.

I can't believe you've held out on us for this long

It has arrived.  [clap]



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flux capacitor shield. sweet.


(valve cover shock mount?)

Side view pic, please?

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I still need to time-sert the valve cover bolt holes.

so fancy.   hope you are wearing your fancy pants and using a fancy camera to take these fancy pictures.

No, I did not just take my laptop into the bathroom and do inappropriate things while looking at that picture.

But I sure as hell thought about it.  [drool]

So DL, your solution is an SS type chassis. Will it be "Monsterized" or are you going for cafe racer type look? Either way you don't have to worry about those damn Monster frame struts anymore.

That is a trick looking chunk of alloy.

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is it strong enough?  who makes it?

Pure Tec is Kaemna.de

it looks awesome but very delicate

I would be worried less about the aluminum piece itself and more about the cylinder head.

That's just me, tho.

Is your plan to use the Monster frame shown on the first page of this thread with this SS swingarm & shock setup?

It's actually pretty stout. I measured 11.25 mm thick below the shock mount bolt.



I actually don't know what direction to classify it. Monster with Al ss swingarm, 2-1 exhaust, and very light and fast. Maybe Sport Monster?

On phase 2 I'd like chop the whole backend off and build an aluminum subframe with a shortened seat.

actually, now that you mention it, yeah.  it's attached to the head via the cover bolts.  not much meat there.


yeah, but what kind of metal? 



I'd love that .  If you cut the frame, you can weld in some eyes to bolt the subframe on. 

once you've got the frame open like that, maybe run the wiring inside the tube.  i always wanted to do that.

Thats why kaemna says helicoil or time- sert has to be done. I'm choosing time-sert sine my work has all the equipment. I just have to made a guide plate for drilling and installing them.

Probably 6061. Not 100%



Yep. Love the ss suspension and love the monster frame. I'm going to lose about 15-18lbs going from the 888 style rear suspension to the ss setup.

people have said the same thing about my underwear.


I vote sportster.    i know a company who makes a product branded this way - you could probably buy some premade decals and whatnots.

But then people would expect it to be slow, not handle well, and be dripping with chrome.

call it a sleepster using a modified version of the sportster logo and wow them

you need to stop wearing stuff from the Victoria's Secret catalogue...

it's been done:
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Whoof! Since the wife went out tonight, i had some extra time to burn. I installed my 4 time-serts to reinforce the valve cover holes. I can't remember the last nerve racking equivalent thing I had to do. I was constant thinking, don't fudge this up.

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i mean, lil' bit a duct tape woulda fixya up in no time if yer hand slipped.

look how close the screw hole is to the exterior wall face on bottom right!   shooo that's close.




or is it dirty...

It's either a slight casting or milling flaw, but it's just a small nick filed off. The thickness around the bolt holes are 4.5mm and have 17.5mm of thread with the time serts.

I haven't figured out what's going to have the highest tensile strength. 6al-4v titanium or 316 stainless steel.

gray memory on that but i believe stainless is less favorable than nonstainless steel.

stainless has better shear vs ti-al but ti-al has better stretch resistance.  the latter is more brittle.

which latter his (stainless) or yours (ti-al)?   :-P

I read the technical bulletins before posting and just wanted make sure I read it right. It showed that titanium had a at least a 1/3 higher tensile strength than stainless steel.

+1 after calculating the numbers you are correct sir.

It's key to remember that "titanium" is really titanium-aluminum.  The Ti is alloyed with the Al to make it stronger, but the alloy retains many of the essential characteristics of the dominant material (aluminum).

6Al4V Ti is 90% Titanium

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanium_alloy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanium_alloy)

yes, you want that one ^^^   Its also regularly referred to as "Grade 5", iirc.


AND, if you are super-dooper balling, pay a bit up front and have it Black PVD coated to have "black titanium bolts".  WHOOO!

15-18 lbs. That's a stack of weight and gonna help the front weight bias. Reckon you'll get it down to 350?

So if you're still using the Monster frame up front, how you getting those carbs to fit? Special manifolds or modifying the frame spars?

With my old setup wet with 4 gal of fuel I was roughly 380lbs. I hope I can get lighter than 350lb at least someday.

I'm going to mode the frame but I haven't yet. I was waiting for my valve cover shock to show up first since I'll have to chop out the factory suspension mounts also.

Pretty exciting build, 100hp low weight. " Mostro Leggera" or "Sponster".

The upper linkage/bell crank mount looks like a cast item welded onto the frame. Lopping that off is gonna save a fair bit. 'Spose you don't need it now for the ridgity with the motor doing the job. How much lighter is the SS swingarm to the 888 style?

I'm really enjoying this build. You are really distilling down Galluzzi's pure Monster concept. Terblanche would agree describing superbikes of ten years ago as "fat overweight pigs" (he wanted to build a supercharged Supermono for the street).
 [clap]

The aluminum ss swing arm weights 8.2lbs bare, and my 888 swingarm is steel. I'll weight it when I get home. Then I'll do combined weight of the suspension parts again for each set up.

i'm definitely not thinking of the right alloy then -- 6% aluminum?  really?

Here's how I did it in 2006 on a 2003 M1000S using a 2002 SS900 rear-end complete w/Ohlins shock:

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Clearance had to be made at the base of the tank to allow the shock to clear the bottom of the tank, but that wasn't too hard...

Stu, did you use the same or similar top shock mount as Dub Luv? 

it lookalike he has frame member there running just above middle of vertical head.

Tubing added to position upper shock mount in exactly the same place as the SS frame is.  Large suspension crossmember removed for shock clearance and visual appeal.

If the V head needs removing, however, it will necessitate engine removal.

(nailed it)

  Grade 9 Ti is 3% Al and 2.5% vanadium
  Grade 5 Ti is 6% Al and 4% vanadium

   Most Ti tube is Grade 9 and most plate is Grade 5.

I asked kaemna what hardware they used and they told me 10.9 . Since I had a hard time finding metric parallel allen bolt I bought some 12.9 grade instead.


After
1 month 8 days
2 dealers &
$450

I finally got my d@mn dp cams. I don't even want to install'em. I'll probably just hangin in the living room
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woooo...

a good source for 12.9 and 10.9 stuff (and Dacromet coated) is mdmetric.com but you'll buy in 100 box minimums

Hey DL, how's it going? (..and Happy New Year).

Looking forward to seeing the finished style of the bike and it's dry weight. Also want to see what this bike's output is with the engine/carb/cam combo.

 [popcorn]

 [popcorn] [drink]

Looking forward to more ...............

After ya'lls bump in the thread it motivated me to cut the braces and starter solenoid bracket off to mount the carbs with the frame on. Im going to rebrace/relocate the removed braces.

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Something else that I ran into was that the oil cooler won't fit in its stock location due to the air filter. I've been looking at a superbike oil cooler and mount it on the bottom horizontal valve cover or flip it 180° on the top valve cover. I'm not worried about that I'll get it to work.
I had to chop a nice chunk out of the rear tail section to make room for the rear shock. I still need to box in the frame where I notched it out.

I was talking to my buddy last week and I told him I think I might take my time on this. I keep thinking about doing my phase 2. My phase 2 involved lopping off the whole back half off and building an aluminum subframe with a shortened DP gel seat. Kinda of another reason is I finally saw the price of the custom triples I wanted and kinda bummed me out.

Nice!  [thumbsup]

Try rotating the filter or cut down some of that length at the carb mount...

Also, the SS shock spring is stupid close to the tank hinge mount...  just like the bikes I build w/SS shocks on them.

Looking good so far!

Minor updates

I got an email last week saying my custom triples are in production as we speak. EXCITING! I started pulling engines gears off for lightening but can only do a couple at a time.

Flywheel
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6lbs 6.4oz to 3lbs 1.2oz


Cam gear
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1lbs 11.6oz to 1lbs 6.2oz


And I had a friend weld up my sensor hole for me.
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Hope you guys enjoy. Happy Valentines eve

Looking good.  [clap]  Perseverance is what gets these kinds of projects done.

still nothing really new to report. progress is kinda at a halt until i get my custom IMA triples, but i know they'll be worth the wait.

i picked up some tpo ti engine mount bolts and some used speedymoto framesliders. FYI the speedymoto framesliders do have the same thread pitch as the tpo ti engine bolts. speedymoto said they didn't know and wouldn't work.  [roll] i guess they said that because they don't know how long the ti mounts are compared to the one that comes in the frame slider kit, but there's roughly 17.5mm of the ti engine bolt that's threaded into the frameslider nut.

that and a buttload of cash

Subscribed...  [popcorn]

Received some super dooper amazing farkels today. Ups didnt offer a fast enough method, 3hrs door to door.


IMA Mod4 race kit made to fit a monster. Whattttttttttt!

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7075 everything. Cannot believe how amazing these are. 200% customer service for being patient and filling my needs. The craftsmanship is out of this world.

I'm finally going to have a roller. Install pictures will come shortly.

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IMA let you finish, but that's got to be the nicest triple I've seen in ages

Bahaha

That's the full blown adjustable-offset MOD4 racer, rather than the MOD2evo hybrid (which wouldve used the same/similar MOD4 top triple with fixed 30mm offset and the OEM top nut on the MOD2evo lower).  In sum, "ooooh weeee" - now the front chassis components match the rear's! (talkin 'bout the shock mount)

I just got mod2evo hybrid on my 2vSBK project (748 frame) so I'm certainly behind in the "fancy" category as far as triples and rear suspension bits go.

Sweet!

Stem and new bearings all installed. Its amazig to be able to adjust the rake without completly removing the triples. Better yet having custom parts made and end up fitting better than oem.

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She's finally holding herself up.
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[LIKE]

This pic is awesome

That front end looks tasty!  [bacon]  [clap]

Are you changing the color on that frame or is it staying as is?

The frame colors going to change after the aluminum subframe is done.

 Cool make the beast with two backsing shit man!......cool shit!  ATO brought those triples to my attention and I appreciated seeing them go on you project.....damnit....$800 I must find now.   8)

Finally got my sbk stator setup I've been wanting.


Stock 1000ds left              Sbk right
8 lbs .5oz                         5lbs 15.9oz w/ adaptor
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Very nice, where did you get the adapter?  Are the timing marks different on the SBK stator?  It rotates while the coils (i am too lazy at the moment to look this stuff up with correct names) stay stationary?

Did you happen to weigh all the items individually, I would be interested in that.

Well I got the adaptor from fast frank racing. The idea came from a guy on ducati.ms in the sport classic forum, but when I asked him to make me one and he refused. So I sent pics of it to frank and a week or 2 later voila. It's made of 7000 series aluminum.

The drum.

I actually weighted everything separate also.

Stock 1000ds
Drum    3lbs 11oz
Stator   4lbs 5.5oz

Sbk
Drum    2lbs 4.9oz
Stator    3lbs 6.7oz w/o adaptor. 3lbs 11oz w/adaptor

Ohhh. Yes the timing marks are the same. Direct bolt on to your flywheel also.

Everything bolted up. Easy as pie

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Mucho nice.  [thumbsup]

Love your attention to detail.  [drink]

I'm glad you have posted progress. I really like this build. Like many others, I'm keen to see how much power the DS motor makes with the FCRs.

Awesome! Thanks for the clarification and extra info Dub  [thumbsup]

I love that front end!

Wow, super nice.  Watching with interest!

Thanks guys. Here's the remaining things on the to do list.

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Feels like its going to be a long haul.

Hi good build really interesting, whats the tank off, and can we have some more pictures please?

subscribed!  [popcorn]

Hows it coming along?
Any progress?

I haven't done much of anything since the sbk flywheel. I've really just been visually trying to plan out what mods I want to do to the build and how I want to build it. Like components, accessories, and frame mods. Brain racking stuff.

The CAD/CAM of the mind. I understand.
That stuff can keep you awake at night.

It's very frustrating sometimes. I know what the big things are but it's the little detail things that are killin me. But the little things set the build apart from the rest though.  Yada yada yada

What makes this build so popular are the many aspects that are so cool.

Some have major engine changes, some have chassis/swingarm changes , some wheel and suspension changes and some have styling changes, but this has all major areas. And then there's the packaging of running gear and components. We have no right to hurry you! ;D
And that FCR/newer motor thing, we just gotta know! [laugh]
No easy road, but pretty exciting. It's total! [thumbsup]

Getting the primaries machined.


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Who gonna do it?

Franks going to do it.

sweet.  i have some of his handiwork.

I just got back my parts I sent to fast frank racing and I was pretty blow away by the work he did. Especially on the gears. On the big primary he faced both side before machining the holes rather than just punchin some holes in it. Top notch work.


Large primary
Before 4lbs 10.6oz
After 3lbs 11.3oz

Small primary
Before 2lbs 5.7oz
After 2lbs 1.5oz



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Clutch case cover
Before 4lbs 1oz
After 3lbs 8.6oz


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Ooooooooh.......   [drool]

Do you have a total weight savings to date?

Nice work!

At what point does lightening the gears become a bad thing? Although they look super nice, I'm afraid to do similar due to weakening the gear itself.

Ohhh it likely going to rev like crazy. I know that. Well on all the newer sbk's and 1100s/evo's the internal gears a being cut and lightened from the factory. Even some of the older corse racing stuff was too.

Ooooo I love the open clutch case!

Thanks Chris.


Gear and cover weights uploaded

You would have to remove a lot of metal before it compromises the gear.  I've seen lightened gears with what looks like 75% of the metal removed. 

The main issue is balance.  As long as the gear has enough metal to keep the toothed portion attached at speed and it's balanced, not much happens.

Took me a second to realize what you did to the left cover, doh! You definitely need make a video/gif of clutch spinning when its all put back together again. Looks great!

These cut-outs on the clutch case cover were common on the race bikes from the decade-of-dominance era.

 [popcorn]
Wondering how she'll go come dyno time?

Sorry for the interruption, just curious about something..

with a set of custom manifolds, or possibly a modified  set of 900 manifolds, could the FCR's on a rail be used for this project with similar success ya think?

You wouldn't want to, that'd be going to a long-manifold: no good for big power.

Not sure if it was answered, but tank did you fit?

i have a california cycleworks track tank.

Is this the paintable version?

no, it's an older tank. i don't know what run it was from.

That's OK. If it turns out the new ones are definitely paintable, we'll get you a replacement. ;D

Well I thought I'd have something cool to show ya'll today but the seller mixed up my order and received this. He fixing the problem so that always good.

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Received the correct toys today. It's sad that it took me sooo long to buy these.

Cnc'd stainless steel cam nuts
19mm hex nut
Reusable but thread locking material must be used

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Where'd you get 'em from DL?

Who did this and if you don't mind me asking, about how much?

http://bit.ly/191NtSZ (http://bit.ly/191NtSZ)

The guy is super nice. Actually fast shipping from England to the states something like 7 days.

Frank at fast frank racing in Greenville North Carolina.

http://shop.fastfrankracing.com/Vented-Clutch-Case-VCC.htm (http://shop.fastfrankracing.com/Vented-Clutch-Case-VCC.htm)

You ship him yours and he performs the service.

I promise y'all I'm trying to get this thing done. Slowly chipping away at it. I found more engine treasures to buy. I really want to get this damn motor back together but keep finding more stuff.


Sbk oil pump vs. stock 1000ds oil pump. Sbk about a 1/3 thinner.
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Which SBK is that from? I recall conversations with Jim Davis (at Advance Cycles, formerly the tech at Nichols) about 748 oil pumps that needed some kind of machining to work correctly. ???

This ones from an 848. I wanted to use as new of a sbk oil pump possible. Like a 1198, 1098, or the 848.

Nice!

Hows it goin' DL?

Good. Finally stopped feeling bad about buying a lot of stuff for the build. Ca-cycle works head studs, factory pro shift arm, nicols alternator nuts. There might be a 1000ds supersport swingarm lost in the mail and praying my roadracing brake ducts aren't  subject to the same fate.

Started disassembling the motor again. Finally test fitted the sbk oil pump with good results.
The oil pump gear sits right in the middle of the primary gear. Perfect. More carnage pictures to come.
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Current status
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It's almost stupid how simple these motors are.


Finally patience pays off BIG TIME.
Shark sport classic 2-1 header
Roadracing brake ducts(waited almost 3yrs for some)
Cycleworks head studs
Factory pro ceramic shifter arm(not shown)
Nicols flywheel nuts(not shown)

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Well, one part I wish that could have made my list of parts was the ss1000ie swingarm I bought but was lost in the mail. Didn't loose money but just sucks.

What's the weight savings on the sbk oil pump?

Those brake ducts are sweeeeeet.

Nice touches.
Light is right  [thumbsup].

I havent forgotten this build.
Cheers.

Really looking forward to this thing running. I plan to build my own SC one day and would like to use split singles. Besides sorting out the ignition it almost seems too easy...

Sub'd.  [popcorn]

I finally started picking up progress. Chad at commonwealth mentioned lapping my primary gear before reinstallation. He told
Me he worked on a few bikes where the gear walked right off the crank.

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Nice mating surface. Can't be too safe.

Yay! Back together. Still need to sort out my cylinder heads.


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I'd say so. They appear to be missing :o

someone needs to give you good head(s)

Alloy clutch drum/hub?

It's my old yoyodyne slipper clutch.

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Gettin' there

 :D [thumbsup]

oh geez. i finally stopped procrastinating and ordered the rest of my port and polishing goodies. different shaped cartridge rolls and lots of cross buff pads.

sometimes i think somebody will order this stuff for me, but don't. :-[

Well done. [thumbsup]
 [popcorn] No pressure ;D

lookin much better, but still not done

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Lookin' good. Started on the ports yet?

Just on the exhaust port of one head. I did this polishing at work while waiting for parts. I still need to blend the valve seats before I can start with the finish polishing.

Hey DL. Any updates?

Today I'm going to baked my head in the oven to remove the valve guides. I bought the smallest polishers but they still hit the guides. Hopefully the guides will just slide out.

I think I finally have one head ported. I ran out of daylight to give it a final check over. There's a few original casting marks left but oh we'll. I'm sure those few minute places wont make a difference.


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Nice work DL. Good onya for having a go at it yourself. [thumbsup]

So exciteddddddd. Looking nice.

 [popcorn] ;D

Any news on this build DL?

Well, I bought a rescue 99 ss a week before the indy motogp, and now just getting around to fixin it. Knocked out my valve guides on the vertical head the other day. Started porting and polishing.

Ducatiz, it your see this I didn't forget about you. I've been super busy.

Graymonster kinda gave me a push to knockout the rest of my head work. I can say I'm done, as long as I don't critique myself.

I don't know why, but I have a feeling that when I get my valve guides installed and valves recut. The people doing the work will be like what the hell did this retard do. Oh well.



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Just nice to give you a gentle push D L  ;D Nice work!
All of us using hours and hours on our old beauties, are somewhat retarded I suppose... When people ask why i bother standing in a cold garage rebuilding an old bike instead of just buing a new one, I just tell them to go home and watch a tv..... They would never understand.... :)

Any new developments?  Or did the build stall out?

I'm just about to ship my heads to ben fox or ducshop for guides and a valve job. I would have today, but wasn't going to pay UPS $60 for ground shipping.  [thumbsdown]

Did Fox do your flywheel, and did you have a chance to weigh the difference between the stock oil pump and the sbk one?

chad @ commonwealth cut my flywheel down. i have not weighted the oil pumps.

i talked to mark at ducshop today and the stage 3 heads are sounding pretty nice. i may just send him the heads and decide when they get there.

crap. i did end up paying $60 for shipping but it was to ducshop and more than just my heads were sent.  [thumbsup]

How's it going? [popcorn]

Yes, this  ;)

Been itching to see this bike finished.

I talked to mark @ ducshop today more about the work. I'm just waiting for an email for the total price to I can send him my deposit. After all my work on porting and polishing, the price for the stage 3 heads isn't much more than having valve guides and valve job with stock valves.

Going back to page 3 of the build, I ended up ordering the 32D fcr spigots. They should fit the intake manifolds better. Darn things are almost $65 each.

Just noticed this, I didn't know you had an 888 swingarm. Do you happen to have the alloy 888 shock "turn buckle"? Would fekn love that unit for my build...

I was just calling the early monster swingarm the 851/888 style. With the suspension arch.

Ah. This is what I'm after...to go with my S&P hoop...it will be mine someday...

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would it be hard to have one made? Doesn't look all that complex.

Too complex for me to draw up...I can barely draw a square in CAD software, lol. And I've never had any luck finding machinists who wanna dick around with my little bike part obsessions (or tattoo machine frames for that matter)

Boy oh boy. Received my heads back from mark yesterday. I can't stop touching them.



horsepower this way  [bacon]

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That looks like it should make a difference :D

 [drool]  [drool] [drool]

Very nice. [drool]
There's a lesson in porting right there.

heads look like mine..

were yours sent to JPrecision?

You didn't go for the 'D' porting of the exhaust?

heres mine...
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Yeah they were sent to jpercision. Apparently all big engine builders use jprecision. I guess it's cost effective and the end product will be consistent.

I'm assuming you're talking about the welded and shaped floor on the exhaust side? Mark said they build the floor on just the intake side on the ds heads since the flow isn't that good. I looked at the jprecision site and only mention welding the floor on the intake side.

They said there was a port stage equivalent to NCR. Complete port redesign and lots of welding. Ducshop said it was expensive. My wallet was already pissed.

Did you have Mark port the manifolds to match as well?

Yeah. Port matched intake manifolds and FCR adapters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nWaKnNHGBs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nWaKnNHGBs)

I wish I'd photographed my heads and manifolds as well. They were (are) purrr-ty.

 [laugh] [clap]

How's it going DL? Got it running?

Going slow. I have one head reassembled minus shims. I'll finish the other tonight or tomorrow.
It'll be awhile before it runs. I still need to sort out my cylinders and buy some pistal pistons.

I'm really tempted to split the cases and balance the crank and install arp rod bolts.

DL, any updates or progress?

Well.
-Sold my ferracci pistons finally.  [thumbsup]
-Put my heads back together with my DP cams
-bought pistal pistons to replace the ferracci ones

Now I'm waiting for some more play money to send my cylinders off. After that, I'd like to rebalance, maybe lighten the crank and install arp rod bolts with new bearings.

 [thumbsup] Cool. This bike is going to be a ball tearer!

In my mind, this is how I'm hoping it rides like.

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I completely understand this.

 Thats how my Hyper feels[laugh]
What about ATGATT! [laugh]

Seriously though, I would test ride a tuned Evo1100 before going all the way with lightening the internals. Or maybe I'm just getting old. ;D

Is that Raj from Big Bang Theory?  [laugh]

[laugh]

In one of his dreams.

what CR pistal pistons did you go with?

It was either 11:1 or 11.5:1. I'll have to check my invoice or box.

How is the build DL?

Very slow. Tying to straighten out my steering damper mounting problem. Buying random parts for hoarding. Hopefully this intermediate starter gear will work I ordered. Should be lighter than the stock 1000 one.

 I thought about polishing my rocker arms. I'm not sure if I feel like disassembling my heads again.

Also thinking about making a engine stand mount for when I split my cases.

You know. Typical scatter brain stuff.

When I was talking to mark. He said the piston, cam, and head job combo I have is a 115hp  setup. If i had NCR cams I could squeeze a little more, but those cams are more beneficial on the top end. We'll see someday, but this project will get finished.

omg we must be related.  [bang] [laugh]

Geez stranger. It's been awhile. I still need a second set of RR brake ducts for the museum.

Been traveling. I might have that set come available when I find them in storage.

From one horde to another ;D

Here's the possible list.
   
Countries Without Internet Access

Belarus
Burma
China
Cuba
Egypt
Iran
North Korea
Saudi Arabia
Syria
Tunisia
Turkmenistan
Uzbekistan
Vietnam

That's what I'm talkin about.
Did you ever get your 2valve 916 done?

Negative. Still a work in progress. Tons of carbon and titanium assembled into a rolling chassis.

Re: travel, work related where what you post about becomes too relevant. Recent job change and I'm back!

JV! Welcome back man. [thumbsup]

Thanks folks!  Glad to be back. I've only one scoot out of storage for now (GT1000), but have a busy winter planned.

I've got some serious carb cleaning to do, myself.


I also have a helper now.  (http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160806/2b2c1eda58a98e04c682a7550a24af44.jpg)

COOL!  [thumbsup]

I got one of those wild Indians too.  [Dolph]

(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x251/seusssandm/335831E8-AC22-4DE3-BEF9-8990CB0F1E99.png) (http://s181.photobucket.com/user/seusssandm/media/335831E8-AC22-4DE3-BEF9-8990CB0F1E99.png.html)

Thanks to Eli aka "rudemouthsky" I was able to buy some treasures off of him.

NOS dp chin
Consentino FCR velocity stack
RoadRacing exhaust (slightly damaged)


(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7807/40486016163_cbe578afbd_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/24FBq6r) (https://flic.kr/p/24FBq6r) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/153728082@N07/)

The NOS brake ducts I found internationally.

Those stacks look promising.

How is she going? Test those stacks?

 [popcorn]

I hope that's a very large bowl of popcorn, cause daddy's broke right now. :-[

Any updates on this project?

Nope. Still sitting in my spare bedroom.

Okay everyone. I’ve been recently getting my photos from shit bucket to reupload my pictures.


Recently Liam from sportbikegear sent me the tps setup for my fcrs. I haven’t been able to mess with it much.very cool kit. Very detailed.  I was unsuccessful shortening one of my fingertips, so I kinda have a useless right hand.

Heal up [thumbsup]
Looking forward to your completed project and how the motor recipe performs.
Cheers

Just picked up a NOS set of Roadracing brake scoops and a Roadracing front fender, inspired by this thread.

Wow where did you manage to find those scoops? I haven't seen any this side of the pond ever!!

I got the last set of anodized aluminum, but I *might* know where there's a NOS of carbon fiber ones.;)

Jakeweiss301@gmail.com

I'm a finder of things. :)

I don't even want to know how much those cost. I'm testing the whole "budget" concept.

Well under $200. I'm happy. :)

How are you DL? Hope you have recovered.

W O W

I’m fine now my finger nail looked like a tree root for a little while. It’s almost back to normal.

Thanks koko

I’ve been thinking about making some new progress on the build. I know this sounds stupid, but I’ve dreded boxing up the cylinders and pistons for a fresh bore job. It’s such a pain in the ass to carefully box everything up and cost of postage and insurance. I just remember the paranoia shipping my heads to ducshop.

Glad you're recovering man.
Maybe just higher comp pistons  clean up the ports yourself and call it a day?

Theyre 1100 pistons. The size is escaping me at the moment. I have hyper cylinder but they have piston scrape marks on the walls. When I had the Ferrari pistons I was just going to risk it and use the hyper cylinder but I replaced those with pistals. If the cylinder eats a set of rings it’s $100 per set and worse case damaged piston. Then I’d be cryin the blues.

It’s like a snowball that's big enough to run you over financially. Larger aftermarket pistons, shit now I need the rotating assembly balanced. Ugh. Whatever. I know I don’t have too, but with the amount of money spent so far, I don’t want to skimp.

 [thumbsup] Might as well go the whole way.

Sunds exactly like where I´m going with my "spare" YM1100 motor for my track bike. Started as a back-up, now it´s all in bits with Carillo, Pistal, crank balanced, DP cams, close-ratio gearbox, new bearings all around ordered, .... Having retired, the snowball increased in size as well so it will have to take the time it has to take.   

Yep might as well, I mean it's only your money not mine so what's the big deal lol

To revive this thread to see if there's been any new developments and to answer my own question (and for anyone else who may be curious about it), the weight difference between the stock oil pump and the 848 Evo pump is 25 grams.  As Dub Luv said, it fits perfectly without any additional fiddling.  25 grams may not be worth swapping out a perfectly good stock oil pump, but if you need a new pump, you might want to get an Evo instead.  The part number is: 174Z0021A.

well my e30 v8 project is another distraction ive been playing with. currently thinking of selling my supersport and selling some of my parts ive been hoarding that i wont be needing.

i was talking to a co-worker the other day about this bike. ive been collecting equipment and practicing tig welding cause the stuff i want to do isn”t off the shelf. ive been wanting to do a half aluminum frame. imagine something like the supermono carbon subframe, but aluminum

You can't mention an E30 swap and not post pictures  ;).  But thank you for the oil pump and stator ideas - those were things I never knew about, and being a MAJOR weight weenie (my current monster is 330lbs wet sans gas), they were very much worth it and easy to do.

Stu Smith of Flight Cycles fame (don't know if you're still on here Stu, but hello if you are) once made a batch of aluminum subframes for monsters.   It was the rear triangle, from the rear motor mounts back, and you'd cut off that part of your frame, weld in a bung with a threaded tab on it into the open ends of the tubes, and the aluminum part would bolt on.  I forget how much weight it saved, but it was significant.   If all the photos on this site hadn't been stolen by whatever that photo-hosting company was, I'd go searching for a picture of it, but it was a great idea, and if there is anyone out there with one they want to sell, let me know (Stu, maybe you still have one left somewhere?)! 

the subframe that stu had done is still available. i was wanting to use more aluminum and to possibly raise the seat plane slightly for my inseam.

heres another little weight saver. for the intermediate gear between the starter and sprag, i believe it was a m696 gear that has more cut outs and is lighter. it looks close to a 1100 gear but correct smaller o.d. thats worth 1.5oz  [roll]

well the e30 just looks like one without the dash, and sunroof out with the s52 still in. next to it would be the 2 piles of LS parts, a windowed block for mockup, and one good one on the stand.

1.5oz of rotating mass - I love it.  I'm willing to do anything to any engine gear except cut holes in them, so any stock part that is lighter than what's in there already is a major pro tip - thanks!  Right now, I'm at about 330lb wet/no gas with a single front disk, but I'm going to be adding a second disc/caliper so that should bring me up to around 335.  One system I haven't done everything to that I possibly could is the motor, so I might be able to save a pound or so once I swap out the stock rods, pistons, and machine the crank (I already applied all the tricks you listed in this thread - shaved down the flywheel, replaced the stator and oil pump, and installed lighter belt pullies).  I'm pretty sure that I could build a 300lb Monster if I was willing to run a double-sided swing arm and one of those Pierbon (I think that's who makes them) aluminum frames, but the single-sided arm is just too sexy, and the aluminum frame is too much money and too much trouble to get it registered and insured. 

Why not cut holes in the gears?

some of the gear have been talked as being hardened and ruin tooling. some ducati machining service companies wont mess with them. kaemna would lightened them but theyre in germany. shipping $$$$$

ans the m696 was only like $15.

Contact Monsterlover. ;)

i've started replacing my photobucket pics by memory.

Ive cut those gears before.  Its not a big deal.

Thanks for the great thread DL, doing a dry clutch conversion at the moment. Definitely going to look into lighting up the gears like you did. Thanks for the great info.

It’s Stuart Baker, not Smith.  ;D

AL subframes are gone but I can put anyone in touch with the guy that built them for me.  I know my welding limits and that is way beyond my talent.

Weight savings versus a non-tail-chopped S2R1000 frame is: 5.5#.  You do, however completely lose the capacity to ride two-up.  They’re designed for max weight savings...

you’re welcome. just sharing what i find. thats why this forum has always been great.

And just heard back from Fast Frank, they no longer provide the gear lightening service.
Anyone have any other sources or ideas to lighten the primaries.

Thanks
RB

Try Monsterlover.

Thanks I’ll dm him.

I'll second that - lots of great info in this thread for serious weight weenies like me.  


My apologies, Stu; I knew that, and I have no idea where I got "Smith" from.  It's great to see you're still on the board - do you have any pics of that subframe?  How did it attach? 

I have some photos of one installed on a really hot custom I finished in ‘13 or ‘14.  It’s never been posted here.  Photos are on another computer.  Next few days I’ll post it up.

bump.

Oh yeah.  Right.  PM sent.