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Title: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on October 26, 2019, 08:48:45 AM Well dug this thug out this morning, hasn’t seen the light of day since spring 2018. Time to freshen her up. I will try to keep it just that, but last time I tried that is didn’t stay that way.
Anywho; As is sits, 95 frame, 2001 900ssie motor, air box delete, power commander, marchesini wheels, gecko racing rear sets, GPR exhaust. Stay tuned kids, this could get interesting. But hopefully not. As they say, “hope is undiscovered disappointment “ (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48962710408_a2e6929826_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hAEFYd)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/2hAEFYd) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: greenohawk69 on October 26, 2019, 09:00:43 AM Love the muffler hangar.
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on October 26, 2019, 01:05:23 PM Need a good source for top end and cylinder base gasket
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: greenohawk69 on October 27, 2019, 05:57:01 AM Not sure, but I'd probably start my search with the forum sponsors.
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on October 27, 2019, 06:28:58 AM Not sure, but I'd probably start my search with the forum sponsors. Did that, can’t get cylinder base gaskets with anyone Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on October 27, 2019, 07:02:23 AM Well, digging around in this this morning
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48968322092_0aa4a837e4.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hBas8o)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/2hBas8o) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr I found these goodies, which also had a Moto gadget rfid kit :o, a gps mini speedo and mini tach, and other bits (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48967599133_a0fd01a550.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hB6Kdz)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/2hB6Kdz) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: greenohawk69 on October 27, 2019, 07:12:08 AM Based on a google search while on the throne, it appears you can re-use the base gaskets and use Ducatibond 1215 or Threebond 1184 (cheaper and can be found in parts stores).
https://www.ducati.ms/threads/cylinder-base-gasket-install-dry-or.557713/page-2 Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on October 27, 2019, 07:26:28 AM Based on a google search whole on the throne, it appears you can re-use the base gaskets and use Ducatibond 1215 or Threebond 1184 (cheaper and can be found in parts stores). https://www.ducati.ms/threads/cylinder-base-gasket-install-dry-or.557713/page-2 Interesting , the motor has about 7k on it and vert cylinder leaks pretty bad. I will try to hunt down the sealer Still not a fan of re using gaskets of any kind Thanks again. Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: ducpainter on October 27, 2019, 09:52:58 AM Based on a google search while on the throne, it appears you can re-use the base gaskets and use Ducatibond 1215 or Threebond 1184 (cheaper and can be found in parts stores). Yup...done all the time.https://www.ducati.ms/threads/cylinder-base-gasket-install-dry-or.557713/page-2 Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on October 27, 2019, 10:00:43 AM Ok fine, I surrender the issue to the distinguished gentleman on the floor. [bow_down]
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: ducpainter on October 27, 2019, 10:04:34 AM Ok fine, I surrender the issue to the distinguished gentleman on the floor. [bow_down] Valve cover gaskets can be re-used, as well. They'll eventually need to be replaced, but a base gasket is more of a spacer than anything. It can be re-used indefinitely if sealed properly.Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on October 27, 2019, 10:18:12 AM Yes, the valve cover gaskets are metal as well
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Howie on October 27, 2019, 08:33:51 PM Read this thread:
http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=23736.0 Yes, the base gasket is often reused and will probably work unless badly bent, folded or otherwise mutilated. Because of my overcautious nature I would, unless ridiculously expensive or unobtainable would probably replace it. They are not that expensive and you can get them from a dealer. You can look here, but strangely enough they don't list an '01 900SS Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on October 28, 2019, 03:31:00 AM Yes, the base gasket is often reused and will probably work unless badly bent, folded or otherwise mutilated. Because of my overcautious nature I would, unless ridiculously expensive or unobtainable would probably replace it. They are not that expensive and you can get them from a dealer. You can look here, but strangely enough they don't list an '01 900SS That’s the issue I’m running into, an 01 ss ie isn’t listed. Also parusing through the inter web, seems to be an issue with 00-01 2v and s4 I have a new set from a 96, going to see if they fit Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: ducpainter on October 28, 2019, 03:45:37 AM Make sure they're the same thickness, or you'll change the squish.
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on October 28, 2019, 04:07:13 AM Make sure they're the same thickness, or you'll change the squish. Yes Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Howie on October 28, 2019, 04:11:15 AM The 2001 900SS did though. I think the original gasket was modified due to those leaks. Stock gasket is 4mm.
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: ducpainter on October 28, 2019, 06:24:11 AM IIRC, an o-ring was added to the oil return hole to stop the leaks. I don't remember if there was a recess machined into the cylinder, or the cases.
Nick might. Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on October 28, 2019, 08:12:42 AM I’ve read here either ball bearing or set screw
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on October 28, 2019, 08:14:41 AM And then comes that moment.......... should I.............
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48975104171_94feabaf57.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hBLdcM)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/2hBLdcM) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: greenohawk69 on October 28, 2019, 08:36:19 AM Should you...put tires on? I'd say yes. Yes to doing it.
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Speeddog on October 28, 2019, 08:47:56 AM '00 900SS had an O-ring, '01 did not, pretty sure all models went without it starting around then.
There's a pocket machined in the cases for the O-ring on bikes that had them. I think the elimination of it was a cost saving driven decision. '00 900SS - 78610471A - with oring '01 900SS - 78610601A -NO oring '02 SS - 78610682A -NO oring Base 'gasket' is in reality a shim, sealing is achieved with Threebond sealer or similar. One can eliminate it entirely if needed to get proper squish. Valve cover gaskets that are the 'rubber' coated steel can be cleaned and re-used many times. No sealer necessary. I trash all fiber/paper valve cover gaskets I find, and replace with the rubber coated steel. Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on October 28, 2019, 09:18:07 AM Should you...put tires on? I'd say yes. Yes to doing it. [clap] Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on October 28, 2019, 09:19:44 AM '00 900SS had an O-ring, '01 did not, pretty sure all models went without it starting around then. There's a pocket machined in the cases for the O-ring on bikes that had them. I think the elimination of it was a cost saving driven decision. '00 900SS - 78610471A - with oring '01 900SS - 78610601A -NO oring '02 SS - 78610682A -NO oring Base 'gasket' is in reality a shim, sealing is achieved with Threebond sealer or similar. One can eliminate it entirely if needed to get proper squish. Agreed on valve cover gaskets, coming from Germany. I have also read all of your posts on this subject [bow_down] Valve cover gaskets that are the 'rubber' coated steel can be cleaned and re-used many times. No sealer necessary. I trash all fiber/paper valve cover gaskets I find, and replace with the rubber coated steel. Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on October 28, 2019, 09:24:45 AM Last time I started effing around with my bike, this happened
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48975513896_278d721cb0.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hBNj11)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/2hBNj11) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on October 28, 2019, 12:20:41 PM And now I go in the other direction
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48976499136_a633e1cdbe.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hBTmSU)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/2hBTmSU) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on October 28, 2019, 01:29:03 PM Any outstanding opinions on clutch slave cylinders, stock one is leaking and want to do better
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: ducpainter on October 28, 2019, 01:54:12 PM I like stock clutch slaves.
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: koko64 on October 29, 2019, 07:40:10 PM +1.
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Howie on October 29, 2019, 08:59:56 PM Unless you want to reduce effort stock is fine and can be rebuilt easily as long as the metal is good on the older slaves.
If you want reduced pull you might run into clutch drag problems since travel is reduced. I was a Yoyodyne fan, but he no longer manufactures them. Maybe this one? https://monsterparts.com/products/oberon-clutch-slave-cylinder?_pos=1&_sid=6cc784c2f&_ss=r Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on October 29, 2019, 09:53:21 PM I will look for rebuild kit, but it’s 20 yrs old. Aluminum fatigue might be a factor. Don’t want to reduce effort, but I’m not running stock clutch springs
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on November 10, 2019, 08:46:40 AM Yup,
That kind of fun today Trying the simple green crystal foam (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49043367838_4e70d2d4e7.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hHN5By)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/2hHN5By) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on January 10, 2020, 06:49:44 AM Today class, we are doing a retro head swap
The 95 heads look way cooler then the 2000. Geometry is all the same I’m hoping the Ducati gods will intervene if I’m dead wrong (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49362292932_61f62a20d3_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2icYDW5)E26FB304-A2A2-4B6A-A61E-D37E57882274 (https://flic.kr/p/2icYDW5) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Duck-Stew on January 10, 2020, 07:02:20 AM Aren’t 2000-2002 900 engines fuel injected? If so, it has better cams.
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on January 10, 2020, 07:17:21 AM This is a 2001 900 ss ie motor, I should jus be able to swap cam right
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on January 10, 2020, 09:49:51 AM Cam swap done, head swap gtg. Cam on right the 2001 900ssie, cam on left 95 900ss
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49362417413_703ecd7a7d_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2icZhWi)9140B86B-0DEA-480E-A142-5CC19E2710D5 (https://flic.kr/p/2icZhWi) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49363091607_6fcf1cba15_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2id3Kmk)3CA506C9-E084-40D0-8BA4-21BD257B4F1A (https://flic.kr/p/2id3Kmk) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49362881906_55291efa3b_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2id2F1N)B0EFF78B-A900-4D43-8A35-B3A03B4ABD21 (https://flic.kr/p/2id2F1N) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: koko64 on January 10, 2020, 10:41:57 AM Double check the oil galleries line up between the barrels and heads just to be sure.
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on January 10, 2020, 10:56:19 AM Double check the oil galleries line up between the barrels and heads just to be sure. They do, thanks. 1st thing I did was to check all geometry Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: koko64 on January 10, 2020, 11:05:11 AM [thumbsup]
The big changes to oil passages were at the barrel/crankcase interface. I couldn't remember for sure about the barrel to heads. The old motors had oil cooling galleries in the barrels and not just oil drainage. Pretty cool uh? Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on January 10, 2020, 11:23:04 AM [thumbsup] The big changes to oil passages were at the barrel/crankcase interface. I couldn't remember for sure about the barrel to heads. The old motors had oil cooling galleries in the barrels and not just oil drainage. Pretty cool uh? No major changes till 02, big change from a 95 to an 2000 was eliminating the oil lines on the barrels. All interior oil passages, valving, cam dimensions and other ports are the same. I’ve been wanting to try this for a couple yrs, just happened to raid shed and there they were, rebuilt and ready to go. And if it blows up, I was wrong, lol Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: koko64 on January 10, 2020, 03:25:50 PM The Dakar Elefants enjoyed the oil cooled barrels. Oilways circled the barrels on the way down. Similar to Suzuki's air/oil cooled system.
Those ie cams are useful. Have prescribed them for a very hi comp carbed 944 which needed more cam to actually turn over! It relieved the cranking pressure and gave a useful bump in peak power too. The bike also ran smoother with them, so its not just the efi alone that makes em smoother imo. Do you have a 750 to try the 900 cams with? Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on January 10, 2020, 06:32:24 PM No I do t know what a 750 is, lol
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on January 11, 2020, 12:14:45 PM Mmmmm flywheel
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49368499423_ff3f04d96e_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2idwsUx)048E8A40-45FB-450D-81DB-1CDC2CF9B33D (https://flic.kr/p/2idwsUx) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Speeddog on January 11, 2020, 08:42:08 PM That's an adapter.
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on January 12, 2020, 03:57:28 AM That's an adapter. That’s a Nichols flywheel https://www.bellissimoto.com/parts/engine/lightweight-flywheels/nichols-lightweight-flywheel-for-1999-fuel-injected-motorcycles-1 Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Duck-Stew on January 12, 2020, 04:17:39 AM With a pair of their jamb nuts. 8)
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on January 12, 2020, 04:18:37 AM With a pair of their jamb nuts. 8) Yeah baby [drool] Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: koko64 on January 12, 2020, 01:08:28 PM Should spin up. [evil] Flywheel might be 500gms.
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on January 12, 2020, 01:28:26 PM No bike should be seen in this state, the mess before the beauty
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49375518862_80a0fa32bc_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ie9rxm)763BF0C6-1564-4146-91A4-AA11294248EF (https://flic.kr/p/2ie9rxm) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on January 14, 2020, 04:13:19 AM Any opinions on JE pistons,high compression, can of worms is open, do I need to do anything on a 900ssie motor on timing adjust, etc
Found a set really cheap. Please share your horro story, and save me from myself Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: koko64 on January 14, 2020, 01:15:42 PM Great bang for buck hi comp forged piston and are an excellent performance mod in my limited experience.
Have only dealt with four sets of the J&E brand (3 × 904, 1 × 944), but no issues except with the carbed motors. The valve pockets appear deep for clearance when you check them. Interesting what your squish clearance will be with the older heads on the newer motor. You get another, faster bike by waking up the compression with these motors. J&E give around 11:1 claimed compression requiring premium fuel. The extra comp broke engine studs in the older 900 motors, but the 900ie has the revised, stronger studs. (Black studs good, shiny studs bad). Older carbed 900's needed ignition tuning, but the 900ie has a nicer curve (or should I say it has a curve and not a cheap step). I read somewhere once that the off the shelf J&E was a smidge looser or tighter in some years barrels due to very slight variations from the factory, but have only heard/read it once. Have not heard piston slap yet with the J&E brand. We put them in my brother's M900Sie and it really works well with the capacity and cams. With stock compression I found his bike underwhelming. It seemed there was too much cam for the stock comp or not enough comp for the big cam. With higher comp the 900ie is now my favorite 900. Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on January 14, 2020, 05:26:11 PM Thanks, squish on heads is identical
Figured why not, full set for 260 us Bikes apart, and with about 6lbs of rotating mass gone, could be fun, lol Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: pepeducat on January 16, 2020, 04:11:09 AM The pistons JE are of good quality, I have mounted on several engines and nothing to say to date.
By cons for mounting control that the squish is at least 1.1mm because they compress very strong (between 11.5 / 1 and 11.9 / 1 for those I have mounted). For the squish valves / piston this goes without problem. Then you will have to inject a new map into your calculator (I can provide it to you if you need it). And after enjoy [beer] Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on January 16, 2020, 05:37:14 AM The pistons JE are of good quality, I have mounted on several engines and nothing to say to date. By cons for mounting control that the squish is at least 1.1mm because they compress very strong (between 11.5 / 1 and 11.9 / 1 for those I have mounted). For the squish valves / piston this goes without problem. Then you will have to inject a new map into your calculator (I can provide it to you if you need it). And after enjoy [beer] I like maps, been running without air box as well Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on February 22, 2020, 07:37:52 AM Ok, now for the rear calipers, is there anything available other then the blob of aluminum Brembo rear caliper, any CNC options, bla bla bla.
Below are what’s going on the front, they don’t make an 80mm bolt set up, just a 84mm bolt set up (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49569115428_8917f653bd_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iwfF4b)E6342877-31F4-4D68-9664-09769DE66E98 (https://flic.kr/p/2iwfF4b) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Speeddog on February 22, 2020, 07:43:13 AM Billet Brembo here:
https://www.oppracing.com/category/1091-rear-hp-calipers/ Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on February 22, 2020, 11:41:24 AM Billet Brembo here: https://www.oppracing.com/category/1091-rear-hp-calipers/ They are all 84mm too, thanks though Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on February 22, 2020, 01:08:34 PM New fun
So i sent my motor out to be “chemically cleaned and prepped for paint Got it back and it had this funny hue, like it had been media blasted, ( can ya see where this is going yet) Low and behold silicate all inside everything, M. F. Ker. Anywho, separating cases, tools etc, gotta clean that sh#t out [bang] I need tools, crank pulls tool, etc Also stay tuned to see if I can make up a new curse word Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on March 01, 2020, 09:46:20 AM Mmmm tasty fun today. Complete motor tear down.
Clean and re assemble. Yay (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49604803268_5f5e8dc19b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2izpzNL)D49C0861-EC52-4C30-BBCB-8646C92FF349 (https://flic.kr/p/2izpzNL) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on March 02, 2020, 11:34:58 AM I’ve gotten so intimate with this thing, we would have to get married in some southern states. My fingers have been everywhere ;D
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49610819922_2ede227865_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2izWqmb)9963A8D7-047B-462A-8180-EDD0EE4410FE (https://flic.kr/p/2izWqmb) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49610048048_43150d9d57_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2izSsU1)37FA86E4-0284-48D0-8865-0E560DC4F839 (https://flic.kr/p/2izSsU1) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49610829871_5f77ace8b7_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2izWtiH)44DC22A6-C42A-49A8-9055-0683B571AE17 (https://flic.kr/p/2izWtiH) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: koko64 on March 02, 2020, 04:47:12 PM [thumbsup]
The old charge here back in the day was called Carnal Knowledge = shotgun wedding. ;D Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on March 03, 2020, 03:57:28 PM And now for the fun part, putting on some bits and bits and bits. High comp 11:5.1
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49615840221_c7470e2f00_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iAo9H4)400013FD-247B-41EE-98FA-DFB7F976501F (https://flic.kr/p/2iAo9H4) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: koko64 on March 03, 2020, 04:08:16 PM Excellent combo [thumbsup]
You can programme an Ignitech unit or retard the pick ups 3-4 degrees. The Ignitech is great and lets you even fit a tps and 3D map. Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: koko64 on March 03, 2020, 04:10:38 PM http://www.fastbikegear.co.nz/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=706_787
These guys have what you need. Plug n play. http://www.fastbikegear.co.nz/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=706_787&products_id=7290 Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: koko64 on March 03, 2020, 04:13:50 PM http://www.fastbikegear.co.nz/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=706_787&products_id=6233
http://www.fastbikegear.co.nz/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=706_787&products_id=12093 http://www.fastbikegear.co.nz/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1636_1640&products_id=6239 http://www.fastbikegear.co.nz/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1636_1640&products_id=12319 http://www.fastbikegear.co.nz/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1636_1640&products_id=6838 Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on March 03, 2020, 04:41:42 PM Excellent combo [thumbsup] You can programme an Ignitech unit or retard the pick ups 3-4 degrees. The Ignitech is great and lets you even fit a tps and 3D map. This is for and ie 2001, ignitech is for carby isn’t it I have a power commander Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Speeddog on March 03, 2020, 09:13:55 PM Powercommander is just gonna get you fuel control AFAIK.
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: koko64 on March 03, 2020, 11:25:56 PM This is for and ie 2000, ignitech is for carby isn’t it I have a power commander Yeah forgot you were injected [thumbsup] Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on March 04, 2020, 09:00:20 AM Oh hi again kids, here with a big ole wtf Ducati. Be fore warned, just because it’s on the parts diagram, doesn’t mean it’s right, or even there
So I go to put oil pump on, go to my box of new shiney bits and pieces, pull out my orings, huh............that can’t be right, the aft o ring is supposed to be bigger then the front one. Going to the parts diagram, wtf, same part number for both, ugh. So as I’m scanning other diagrams I notice there is an o ring inside the cases, oh f#!k, I forgot to put it in. Remove all the gears, peel it open............... wait a second................ wtf................ no o ring, ffffffuuuuuuuuuu. Tore open an old case just to make sure, nope, not one there either. Yay [bang] [bang] [bang] [bang] [bang] Derp So I called Ducati Omaha parts guy, and asked for the part number for the aft oil pump o ring. I sh#t u not, his response, aaahhhhhh....... It says it’s the same on the parts diagram......... aaaa it is a 20 yr old diagram. So I said, huh, it’s a 20 yr old motor too. Thanks for reading my rant, check that box Anywho, can someone help me with part number for aft o ring oil pump, 2000 900ssie (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49618328561_f580bf5dd0_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iAAUpt)376CAF73-EFB2-485D-9D8B-01172F4993D9 (https://flic.kr/p/2iAAUpt) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on March 04, 2020, 10:57:43 AM Well, my soul is crushed anyway, wrist pin clip fell into cases and can’t find it with magnet or blowing air into it. Have to take it apart again, wtf, can’t get a break
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: koko64 on March 04, 2020, 11:05:27 AM Oh hi again kids, here with a big ole wtf Ducati. Be fore warned, just because it’s on the parts diagram, doesn’t mean it’s right, or even there Watch that bottom one stays put on reassembly. The older cases have it just sit there too. Luckily they are cooked on just nice.So I go to put oil pump on, go to my box of new shiney bits and pieces, pull out my orings, huh............that can’t be right, the aft o ring is supposed to be bigger then the front one. Going to the parts diagram, wtf, same part number for both, ugh. So as I’m scanning other diagrams I notice there is an o ring inside the cases, oh f#!k, I forgot to put it in. Remove all the gears, peel it open............... wait a second................ wtf................ no o ring, ffffffuuuuuuuuuu. Tore open an old case just to make sure, nope, not one there either. Yay [bang] [bang] [bang] [bang] [bang] Derp So I called Ducati Omaha parts guy, and asked for the part number for the aft oil pump o ring. I sh#t u not, his response, aaahhhhhh....... It says it’s the same on the parts diagram......... aaaa it is a 20 yr old diagram. So I said, huh, it’s a 20 yr old motor too. Thanks for reading my rant, check that box Anywho, can someone help me with part number for aft o ring oil pump, 2000 900ssie (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49618328561_f580bf5dd0_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iAAUpt)376CAF73-EFB2-485D-9D8B-01172F4993D9 (https://flic.kr/p/2iAAUpt) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr Well, my soul is crushed anyway, wrist pin clip fell into cases and can’t find it with magnet or blowing air into it. Have to take it apart again, wtf, can’t get a break My worst fear. [bang] You deserve a beer after this one.With my fat fingers, I have rags around the rods and cases. I've dropped a few, but the rags caught 'em. Clearly you usually dont drop them. Be grateful you dont have to remove a broken cylinder stud, broken flush to the case, a result of bad advice ("that year had good studs"). Sure. Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Speeddog on March 04, 2020, 11:33:43 AM My sources allege this is the one you need:
88640371A ---- O-RING 14X1.78 Fits most everything 2001 and later. ......................................................... Wrist pin clips usually go PING! and surpass the speed of light, vanishing completely. I suspect they land on a pile of orphan socks in a parallel dystopia. Or they try to take an eye out. Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on March 04, 2020, 11:38:29 AM That’s the oil pump o ring.
This motor has no internal o ring. F#*k beer, I went straight for the tequila Took it apart unnecessarily based on a ducat type o Then dropped the clip right after I put I back together, I will learn at some point, lol I will do the rag thing, derp. Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Howie on March 04, 2020, 11:58:53 AM My sources allege this is the one you need: <snip> ......................................................... Wrist pin clips usually go PING! and surpass the speed of light, vanishing completely. I suspect they land on a pile of orphan socks in a parallel dystopia. Or they try to take an eye out. Unless, of course, you decide not to go into the engine and look for it. Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Orange16 on March 04, 2020, 12:16:00 PM Turn the engine upside down and shake it.
The larger o-ring is 88641321A. The smaller o-ring was always 938232037, doesn't appear to have changed to an 8864xxxx number as yet. I have 88640371A listed as the later primary drive cover one, but I'd have to look at it next to the others to see how it varies. Those 3 numbers are all it could be. 88641321A was 938270114 and that was the change when they enlarged oil holes with the 996 engines in 1997 or so. If it has the large oil pump outlet you can usually see a mismatch in the size of the outlet and the case inlet. I get a shallow taper sort of countersink bit and open the inlet in the cases up to the size of the o-ring ID. There is a steel insert in the aluminum there. But it makes a mess so that's best a "before you clean it" thing. That era saw a few variations that didn't always follow parts diagrams, esp in the big block 2V as the small block 2V and 4V mods trickled down / up. They made changes to the oiling system and moved the pressure relief valve into the pump cover and fitted a drilled screw from the LH side to supply oil into the LH case, but that happened earlier in 900 than the parts catalogues showed as I recall. You just need to be a bit flexible, but experience helps a lot there. Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on March 04, 2020, 12:47:44 PM Thanks orange, shook it, rolled it. It was stuck to the 3bond, all over now
Cylinder head studs; Loctite, never seize Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on March 04, 2020, 12:55:55 PM Turn the engine upside down and shake it. The larger o-ring is 88641321A. The smaller o-ring was always 938232037, doesn't appear to have changed to an 8864xxxx number as yet. I have 88640371A listed as the later primary drive cover one, but I'd have to look at it next to the others to see how it varies. Those 3 numbers are all it could be. 88641321A was 938270114 and that was the change when they enlarged oil holes with the 996 engines in 1997 or so. The first o ring part number you gave it the small one, I have that, need the larger one in the rear Diagram shows both same, both not same (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49619400817_41ba7254b6_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iAGp9D)9F8D9197-EB04-4003-9B32-5FCE1681E35D (https://flic.kr/p/2iAGp9D) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49618636803_31d4cac741_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iACu2Z)253ED10C-1995-4017-9F3A-35656BDA5502 (https://flic.kr/p/2iACu2Z) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on March 04, 2020, 01:03:38 PM My sources allege this is the one you need: 88640371A ---- O-RING 14X1.78 Fits most everything 2001 and later. ......................................................... Wrist pin clips usually go PING! and surpass the speed of light, vanishing completely. I suspect they land on a pile of orphan socks in a parallel dystopia. Or they try to take an eye out. My hero [thumbsup] Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Orange16 on March 04, 2020, 02:10:55 PM Those cases are 2001 - large oil pick up screen with separate cap. I would have expected there'd be a centre o-ring between them, but it is what it is.
Using the "slide over a drill bit" ID sizing method: 938232037 - 9 x 1.8mm 88641321A - 11 x 1.8mm 88640371A - 14 x 1.8mm Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Speeddog on March 04, 2020, 02:22:40 PM Just out of curiosity, what's the first 4 digits of the engine number, like "RA4Y" ?
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Orange16 on March 04, 2020, 02:27:47 PM I usually put a drop of blue loctite on the studs and a very gentle tighten. Not for any real reason, but it stops them going anywhere.
The idea with a stud is that it gives a sacrificial thread section that is easily replaceable, unlike the thread in the cases. As long as it's not moving in the cases when you load it I think it's fine. But I'd not really have any issue with anti seize and hand tight either. Any other learned opinions / experience on it? Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Speeddog on March 04, 2020, 02:43:00 PM Since those are aftermarket studs, mock one up to check the installed height prior to loctite.
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: koko64 on March 04, 2020, 02:49:46 PM That’s the oil pump o ring. This motor has no internal o ring. F#*k beer, I went straight for the tequila Took it apart unnecessarily based on a ducat type o Then dropped the clip right after I put I back together, I will learn at some point, lol I will do the rag thing, derp. [shot] Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: koko64 on March 04, 2020, 02:51:33 PM Since those are aftermarket studs, mock one up to check the installed height prior to loctite. I found the APE studs a bit tall meaning I fitted the top nuts with the head not quite home to the barrel . Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on March 04, 2020, 03:04:20 PM Since those are aftermarket studs, mock one up to check the installed height prior to loctite. Yup, did that Thanks Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on March 04, 2020, 03:08:19 PM Just out of curiosity, what's the first 4 digits of the engine number, like "RA4Y" ? Which number Stamped on side of oil sump, Or on heads Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on March 04, 2020, 03:10:34 PM Yes, but there is no such thing as a 2001 900ssie
So the only parts diagram is 2000 This is a super sport motor Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on March 04, 2020, 03:13:42 PM Just out of curiosity, what's the first 4 digits of the engine number, like "RA4Y" ? LC41 Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on March 04, 2020, 03:19:13 PM (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49619871622_2e8656c068_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iAJP6Y)F60BFC95-8957-4411-97EC-C7775C2A1364 (https://flic.kr/p/2iAJP6Y) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Orange16 on March 04, 2020, 03:37:56 PM Yes, but there is no such thing as a 2001 900ssie So the only parts diagram is 2000 This is a super sport motor 900ssie ran 98 - 02. There's a live parts diagram on an Australian dealer site - http://www.morningtonmotorcycles.com.au/ducati-spare-parts Put in your year and model. Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on March 04, 2020, 04:02:32 PM 900ssie ran 98 - 02. There's a live parts diagram on an Australian dealer site - http://www.morningtonmotorcycles.com.au/ducati-spare-parts Put in your year and model. Parts,catalogs go to 2000 and that’s it in US Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Orange16 on March 04, 2020, 04:11:27 PM Ok. Hope you can sort it out.
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Speeddog on March 04, 2020, 05:40:16 PM My data says LC41 is a 2001 900SS.
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on March 04, 2020, 05:45:20 PM My data says LC41 is a 2001 900SS. Yes, I know It was my bike I can’t find 2001 900ssie parts manual or shop manual, they only go to 2000 for some reason Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: koko64 on March 05, 2020, 05:03:46 PM That’s the oil pump o ring. This motor has no internal o ring. F#*k beer, I went straight for the tequila Took it apart unnecessarily based on a ducat type o Then dropped the clip right after I put I back together, I will learn at some point, lol I will do the rag th ing, derp. That was my concern . They can move during reassembly with dire consequences. You goop it in place or it just stay stuck on if not replaced? Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on March 06, 2020, 09:07:10 AM Could be last straw time, wtf
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49627270331_84fb697cdb.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iBoJtV)39662DC2-D112-4FD6-84F4-97F89AB023FF (https://flic.kr/p/2iBoJtV) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Speeddog on March 06, 2020, 12:18:34 PM Can you see it on the other side?
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on March 06, 2020, 02:23:19 PM Can you see it on the other side? I would have to split the cases again Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Speeddog on March 06, 2020, 03:05:42 PM I would have to split the cases again That's the starter mounting flange area, yes? If so, the other side is behind the starter idler gear, so only the alternator cover. I'd clean it up and JB weld it inside and out. Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on March 06, 2020, 03:45:26 PM That's the starter mounting flange area, yes? If so, the other side is behind the starter idler gear, so only the alternator cover. I'd clean it up and JB weld it inside and out. I wish, lol It’s actually on the case, not the flange. Other side is inside case. Have a micro camera I will get from the shop on Monday to see if it’s all the way through (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49628781917_8ab428cc7c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iBwtPK)575D81CF-68F9-4791-9356-3B6EBE82BDF9 (https://flic.kr/p/2iBwtPK) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Speeddog on March 06, 2020, 04:41:16 PM There's a 'well' on the other side of that crack, where one of the M6 case bolts goes into.
An earlier 900 case I have here the 'well' is ~10.8mm diameter, any JB weld in there just needs to be a hair bigger than the 10mm diameter head of the M6 bolt. Or you could butter up an aluminum slug ~10mm OD, 6.5mm ID and maybe 12mm long with JB, butter up the 'well' inside, and use a slightly longer bolt. Still JB the outside too. There's no oil pressure there, it's just sitting in oil. (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49628875597_cac4b2af2b_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iBwXEV) Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on March 06, 2020, 04:50:53 PM Tanks,
I’ll jb weld it, and see how it does, if it continues I will flash tig it Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Speeddog on March 06, 2020, 05:23:58 PM If you can TIG it, do that first.
Once it's JB'd, I don't think you can get it clean enough to TIG. Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on March 09, 2020, 01:11:57 PM Funny, I workin my shop all day to make your sh#t, then I come home to my neglected bike
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49641547152_f3a5c25fd7.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iCDUu1)668036F9-A1D4-4EE0-8195-25A4E4F1FA3D (https://flic.kr/p/2iCDUu1) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on March 15, 2020, 10:30:30 AM Mmmmmmmotor
Still waiting on a few odds and ends to button up, but hey, it’s moving forward. What did you do doing your zombie apocalypse (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49662980626_f3bc785668.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iExKUE)3B24F2CD-8844-4538-8241-F491A6440EC8 (https://flic.kr/p/2iExKUE) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on March 15, 2020, 12:39:41 PM 937831524
Is this the right part number for gear shift shaft seal on alternator cover, not really clear on and diagrams Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: ducpainter on March 15, 2020, 01:04:04 PM That's what I come up with.
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on March 16, 2020, 01:21:21 PM [Dolph]
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on March 16, 2020, 01:22:59 PM My $10 tank cleaning kit
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49667651647_7af1f387a4.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iEXGrv)AC7DBF87-437D-4D92-AD47-C6F2FCA828EA (https://flic.kr/p/2iEXGrv) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49667367661_5e6981f6ab.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iEWf2c)E9D89264-202F-4D53-8E62-99C5873716C1 (https://flic.kr/p/2iEWf2c) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on March 16, 2020, 03:09:20 PM After
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49667115248_899bbc871f.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iEUWZf)809F9C6F-980D-4922-927E-2DD5E0B4CFE4 (https://flic.kr/p/2iEUWZf) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49667117263_097c5c440c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iEUXzZ)CCD5E10B-BBD9-4D4A-AF64-AE3C39762012 (https://flic.kr/p/2iEUXzZ) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49667943887_5a592ee9a9.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iEZcj8)C1250811-8E3F-42B9-9D57-E693DD79AB9C (https://flic.kr/p/2iEZcj8) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Duck-Stew on March 16, 2020, 07:05:28 PM :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on March 17, 2020, 10:02:50 AM So today kids, since it’s another fine day in the zombie apocalypse we a cruising right through stuff. On to the forks
Tearing these puppies down. Haven’t seen road or the light of day since 2015. And 21k miles to boot Tools needed 32mm 6 point socket, 19mm 6 point socket 3/8 drive And my trusty 1/2 plug in (as Speeddog puts it, undefeated) impact to loosen up the top cap without wrestling with it And my trust bike stand, aka fork vise I’m replacing guts with Andreani misano cartridge kit. Comes with everything (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49670392907_a07b9a8ed3.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iFcKjB)8579E7BB-BFFA-4008-8BEB-E07303E35FF7 (https://flic.kr/p/2iFcKjB) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr 1st, lock it in, then remove 19mm cartridge bolt on the bottom of fork tube. Dat bi#ch is it there so prepare for a fight, but be nice to it, you need it. Remove slowly and make sure u have a bucket underneath ya. Pull out and drain fork Mmmmmm, the good stuff. (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49670448847_bac0aa57b8.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iFd2X6)FC8EB6F4-05AA-42DA-9959-C26D80F28613 (https://flic.kr/p/2iFd2X6) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr New parts (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49670391862_41e16c99d4.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iFcK1A)E893A59E-B11E-4E4D-BE73-A7A8D2C0AFF5 (https://flic.kr/p/2iFcK1A) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49670392732_66d4e630d3.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iFcKgA)C82DCFDF-B297-4B63-B873-0D86312347D3 (https://flic.kr/p/2iFcKgA) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on March 17, 2020, 10:09:16 AM After loosening up top. Drop dust cap and fish that stop clip out below the seal
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49669561303_d008a0f0e7.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iF8u7B)C6E49968-44B5-49B2-B653-BE52B0C6AEB5 (https://flic.kr/p/2iF8u7B) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr After that, slide hammer that puppy to pop the seal free All the stuff that is now junk (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49670108411_78c4049b17.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iFbhKv)CA3B0592-B3BD-4FAA-A56A-215344021403 (https://flic.kr/p/2iFbhKv) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr Only old parts aside from fork tubes, sliders I’m keeping (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49669561623_ff172d3883.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iF8ud8)6A3B9347-7632-493D-A5AC-1D3406B6A204 (https://flic.kr/p/2iF8ud8) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: koko64 on March 18, 2020, 03:09:20 AM Kit looks fancy. [popcorn]
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on March 18, 2020, 03:41:44 AM Kit looks fancy. [popcorn] After some research and comparing between race tec re valving, which uses old style internals, and Ohlins which uses all my money. Andreani was a good option, replacing everything inside to updated parts. And it was the most cost effective as well. Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: koko64 on March 18, 2020, 04:31:50 AM Good to know. Cheers. [thumbsup]
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: greenohawk69 on March 18, 2020, 05:12:43 AM Thanks for the pics too! Makes it easier for me as I may wind up going this route.
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on March 18, 2020, 01:40:46 PM I’m getting wet, how about u?
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49674410057_2a2624a538.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iFyktP)58E8FAA5-C758-4324-BBAB-9799AAC25AC6 (https://flic.kr/p/2iFyktP) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49674411872_92bf64bfe8.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iFym27)345E5516-D581-4356-B446-BB2868DAFB6F (https://flic.kr/p/2iFym27) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49673594288_f3e9556dfd.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iFu9YQ)AA219DC6-1E3F-42CA-8C5F-3AA65B249F9B (https://flic.kr/p/2iFu9YQ) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49674137906_be922a8663.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iFwWzy)B685177F-99E7-4D85-A651-D865E1220EF2 (https://flic.kr/p/2iFwWzy) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Duck-Stew on March 18, 2020, 01:45:16 PM That’s SUPER... Whoa! [bacon] [bow_down]
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on March 18, 2020, 02:31:20 PM Tanks,
Waiting on parts, not sure why Rizoma is 6 weeks out As well as gaskets and o rings, lol Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Speeddog on March 18, 2020, 02:47:24 PM Don't stop now
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on March 18, 2020, 03:08:02 PM Don't stop now Oh parts from Italy Oh covid-19 Oh toilet paper Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on March 19, 2020, 03:13:28 AM Looking for a great, awesome, vivid wiring diagram from an amazing service manual for this bike. Instead of dissecting one of my spares
Will be using the moto gadget M Unit, moving to all led lighting Also need a good after market voltage regulator. Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: greenmonster on March 19, 2020, 05:53:50 AM https://ricksmotorsportelectrics.com regulators usually recomended in US.
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Howie on March 19, 2020, 06:55:44 AM Or, since you are wiring from scratch, Shindengen Honda OEM Mosfet).
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on March 19, 2020, 02:50:42 PM Or, since you are wiring from scratch, Shindengen Honda OEM Mosfet). I tried that once, kept getting bad ones Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on March 19, 2020, 02:54:27 PM https://ricksmotorsportelectrics.com regulators usually recomended in US. Thanks, he even has one for lithium batteries, which will work great with my Pulse P2 Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on March 24, 2020, 08:09:16 AM Assembling forks today. Ran into a head scratcher.
No info anywhere about what parts if any to reuse. There was a centering ring at the bottom of the forks. Not sure if I reuse or not (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49693782073_17ef6b47f4_m.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iHgC76)6D25661C-F9BB-4AEF-8573-93EC4B81AF0F (https://flic.kr/p/2iHgC76) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49693793073_5563be124e_m.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iHgFnK)CA0F4990-A4B4-4407-9912-7DC7ACA005A1 (https://flic.kr/p/2iHgFnK) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Speeddog on March 24, 2020, 10:58:26 AM Assembling forks today. Ran into a head scratcher. No info anywhere about what parts if any to reuse. There was a centering ring at the bottom of the forks. Not sure if I reuse or not I strongly doubt that ring is used. Do you have any instructions? Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on March 24, 2020, 11:05:29 AM I strongly doubt that ring is used. Do you have any instructions? Nope, Didn’t use it anyway Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on March 24, 2020, 11:09:17 AM So my fellow simians, did my forks today
Mmmm, taste like chicken. New bushings, seals, and seal washer. (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49695230912_c6638ae7f0.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iHp3N5)F82C4AF8-3552-47F8-A9AD-9D7119C715E3 (https://flic.kr/p/2iHp3N5) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49694925916_4fd1eafd11.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iHnu8w)EF643DAE-D95D-4A94-9B7E-99CFA7A1A27C (https://flic.kr/p/2iHnu8w) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr Mmm slide, what’s your power animal (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49694384568_05f0f7efca.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iHjHcW)46D3A7DF-AA5A-468A-994E-6E775576FF7E (https://flic.kr/p/2iHjHcW) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on March 24, 2020, 11:12:09 AM Filled her with some good type O
Funny, 500ml came out, but not the same amount went in Measured 108mm from top of tube fully compressed, with springs out Guess some one really loaded it up The out Mmm tastey (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49694386713_39881aab34.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iHjHQV)088B35E3-9200-4445-9E9E-7ECB154B6064 (https://flic.kr/p/2iHjHQV) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr The in (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49694385128_9e569f9714.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iHjHnA)593A4965-F300-4930-99EE-DDD5D64B37EE (https://flic.kr/p/2iHjHnA) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on March 24, 2020, 11:13:03 AM Spruced up an old friend, :)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49694385978_34e7482a00.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iHjHCf)4692DBA9-0CAA-4E27-9EC6-E313473C86DF (https://flic.kr/p/2iHjHCf) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: koko64 on March 24, 2020, 12:44:53 PM :D
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Howie on March 24, 2020, 01:07:00 PM ;D
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on March 25, 2020, 02:34:24 PM All extra or unwanted tabs ground off, time for media blast and powder coat, yay
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49698894186_35c2bf96cf.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iHHPKY)664403CC-F677-410F-A4C7-55081D59F8C0 (https://flic.kr/p/2iHHPKY) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49699202367_363d889b95.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iHKpnr)4E36625E-96A9-46AE-A7BC-B084392A32D6 (https://flic.kr/p/2iHKpnr) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Speeddog on March 25, 2020, 03:24:53 PM You may want those frame stickers.
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on March 25, 2020, 06:41:06 PM You may want those frame stickers. I’m sure I can find somewhere, the ones on there are barley legible Aside from the frame, there isn’t anything left to match up on there anyway. Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: rdtompk on March 26, 2020, 01:13:33 AM You may want those frame stickers. Real question: Do you NEED to keep the stickers? Isn't the VIN stamped in the frame? I took the stickers off my last Monster and would take them off my current one as well. Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on March 26, 2020, 03:00:55 AM Vin is stamped, I usually remove them as well. The info no longer applies. Not a monster motor, front and rear suspension is no longer stock, motor is no longer stock, electronics, brakes, controls are no longer stock either. For customers I put them back if it’s a custom job vs heavily modded
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on March 26, 2020, 08:56:35 AM Thank god for the geisers of old school hot rodding
Oh the tricks they know, like how to seal bare steel and save patina (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49700820858_680717c536.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iHTGus)7C44E27C-BE05-4D77-958F-45FE9FA5544C (https://flic.kr/p/2iHTGus) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49700822553_45bbe9ce27.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iHTGZF)8093020C-A7DD-4252-AC93-6D33D1966174 (https://flic.kr/p/2iHTGZF) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on March 26, 2020, 12:26:56 PM The pistons JE are of good quality, I have mounted on several engines and nothing to say to date. By cons for mounting control that the squish is at least 1.1mm because they compress very strong (between 11.5 / 1 and 11.9 / 1 for those I have mounted). For the squish valves / piston this goes without problem. Then you will have to inject a new map into your calculator (I can provide it to you if you need it). And after enjoy [beer] Hook a dude up, ready and willing Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Speeddog on March 26, 2020, 03:59:55 PM Real question: Do you NEED to keep the stickers? Isn't the VIN stamped in the frame? I took the stickers off my last Monster and would take them off my current one as well. I remove the stickers but don't obliterate them, and put them in with the bike paperwork. Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on March 26, 2020, 09:24:59 PM I remove the stickers but don't obliterate them, and put them in with the bike paperwork. Ahh, I get it Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on March 28, 2020, 09:23:48 AM Did some work on the tank, all from the 60’s, all a pregnant dog to work with
Now it’s time for clear coat, and send frame out for power coat Monday (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49709108877_56c4b5af2c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iJCbek)41307575-0028-4CAB-9A1D-1784A6B989EA (https://flic.kr/p/2iJCbek) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49708252223_b5694de51a.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iJxMzr)67CB30D7-7E0C-4E40-804E-4AC37995343A (https://flic.kr/p/2iJxMzr) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49708251973_fea73a416b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iJxMv8)D11BAB9B-4C6A-464F-A388-83AAD5222B0D (https://flic.kr/p/2iJxMv8) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on April 03, 2020, 10:15:39 AM Frame back from powder coat............ yeah, I’d hate me too
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49731206318_cf189e2451_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iLzr2G)2C25B1F2-930B-4148-A4D2-AA0158F090C3 (https://flic.kr/p/2iLzr2G) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49732076477_74bba2b738_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iLDTGr)AC30D438-F409-42E4-B825-4834D9878C33 (https://flic.kr/p/2iLDTGr) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49731957126_19ee301a54_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iLDhdE)B4986458-A323-40E0-B4BC-4CFF2E7EEDF9 (https://flic.kr/p/2iLDhdE) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: diamonddog-2 on April 03, 2020, 12:31:21 PM Hot DAMN. Looking good!
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on April 04, 2020, 11:22:32 AM Hot DAMN. Looking good! Thanks Still waiting on bits to start assembly [bang] Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: koko64 on April 04, 2020, 02:48:01 PM Frame back from powder coat............ yeah, I’d hate me too (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49731206318_cf189e2451_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iLzr2G)2C25B1F2-930B-4148-A4D2-AA0158F090C3 (https://flic.kr/p/2iLzr2G) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49732076477_74bba2b738_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iLDTGr)AC30D438-F409-42E4-B825-4834D9878C33 (https://flic.kr/p/2iLDTGr) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49731957126_19ee301a54_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iLDhdE)B4986458-A323-40E0-B4BC-4CFF2E7EEDF9 (https://flic.kr/p/2iLDhdE) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr Fresh frame paint [drool] Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on April 09, 2020, 05:42:58 AM Mmmmm, assembly day
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49753174046_f62e6bf52a_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iNw2gC)ACD675A7-858D-42CB-AEE6-73EEC79D9728 (https://flic.kr/p/2iNw2gC) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on April 09, 2020, 12:35:46 PM Accomplish a little today, still waiting on brake lines, rotor bolts, gear shift shaft seal.
Tomorrow I will finish up assembly and start wiring (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49753915728_d1e8df1f6b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iNzPKf)299A1326-434A-4F7D-BB1E-84691C1D8E70 (https://flic.kr/p/2iNzPKf) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on April 09, 2020, 12:46:16 PM Got some kit from the Australian guys
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49754822162_a6b14b7ea4_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iNEtcq)21FFFDA6-4A06-4574-B4D4-0D66D07FFB6E (https://flic.kr/p/2iNEtcq) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: DarkMonster620 on April 09, 2020, 12:50:10 PM Can I ask, if you don't mind, why the front height?
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on April 09, 2020, 01:07:07 PM I haven’t adjusted height
It’s pretty much stock height, may look higher due to no exhaust header or guts, lol Title: Re: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: greenohawk69 on April 09, 2020, 01:17:57 PM Accomplish a little today, still waiting on brake lines, rotor bolts, gear shift shaft seal. Where are getting rotor bolts? How much? Tomorrow I will finish up assembly and start wiring (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49753915728_d1e8df1f6b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iNzPKf)299A1326-434A-4F7D-BB1E-84691C1D8E70 (https://flic.kr/p/2iNzPKf) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on April 09, 2020, 01:23:51 PM Protiglobal.com titanium blue, a lot, lol
Same company as the caliper bolts, as well as fork bolts too Rotor bolts where $12 a piece, [bang] And if those suck I have a set coming from Germany Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: DarkMonster620 on April 09, 2020, 01:27:48 PM I haven’t adjusted height Oh, OK, i must be hungry, just noticed no intake, I had noticed no pipesIt’s pretty much stock height, may look higher due to no exhaust header or guts, lol Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on April 09, 2020, 01:31:37 PM By the time I bolt all the shit on it, it will look lower.............. and busyier...............crowded...............man I miss the carby intake manifolds
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on April 14, 2020, 10:29:08 AM Seat Is done
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49773688498_708ef15c59_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iQkav5)15C62B36-13EC-4CFD-8758-1686B887AFFF (https://flic.kr/p/2iQkav5) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on April 14, 2020, 10:31:18 AM So here we are, the moment when the left side brain turns to the right side, “wtf were u thinking”, [bang]
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Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Duck-Stew on April 14, 2020, 10:43:28 AM Been there. Done that. Don’t want to repeat...
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: koko64 on April 14, 2020, 11:03:50 AM First shot they do look gaudy, but from the side pick up the cambelt covers. Not sure about the front shot. Problem is the rider's view, but will mirrors and controls mitigate it? Took me three sets before I settled on the 750s scrambler bars and mirrors. Can the bar's be reanodized black, charcoal or gunmetal?
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on April 14, 2020, 12:13:58 PM First shot they do look gaudy, but from the side pick up the cambelt covers. Not sure about the front shot. Problem is the rider's view, but will mirrors and controls mitigate it? Took me three sets before I settled on the 750s scrambler bars and mirrors. Can the bar's be reanodized black, charcoal or gunmetal? When it’s all together they blend better (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49774044903_36d89e7493_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iQmZrZ)EF0E7523-71D1-412D-9406-82F8049B91B9 (https://flic.kr/p/2iQmZrZ) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on April 14, 2020, 12:15:17 PM Mmmm progress, lol
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49774036908_6d7d942e6a_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iQmX59)7783966C-30B2-406B-921F-797C8CE1831B (https://flic.kr/p/2iQmX59) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr Perfect, it all fits fine (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49774897777_98b7cc824e_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iQrmYH)EB3BFE32-BCB8-47CE-B9EF-77D05BE67146 (https://flic.kr/p/2iQrmYH) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on April 14, 2020, 12:22:54 PM First shot they do look gaudy, but from the side pick up the cambelt covers. Not sure about the front shot. Problem is the rider's view, but will mirrors and controls mitigate it? Took me three sets before I settled on the 750s scrambler bars and mirrors. Can the bar's be reanodized black, charcoal or gunmetal? Lol, I was referring to the “time to wire” I love the bars Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: koko64 on April 14, 2020, 12:30:43 PM [laugh]
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on April 16, 2020, 03:02:43 AM Where I’m at now;
Instead of rebuilding the wheel, I’m modifying (chopping up) an air box to get battery tray and Ecuador mount. Trimming wire harness, removed all lighting from stock harness. Using all led, pourpose built V2 box is being used, no additional relays or fuses needed. I would like to find some one who can flash my ecu due to increased compression, and airbox delete Ran the PC before without airbox, tried to tune best possible by removing what hesitation I could, the carbon build up on a 7k motor was immense. And I don’t want to go the other direction and burn a hole in my new pistons And agin, waiting on bits and pieces. My last gear shaft seal and oil cooler washers showed, so I get to put oil in it now If all goes well, should be able to start it up next week, yay Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: ducpainter on April 16, 2020, 03:38:04 AM Where I’m at now; If the PO ran high test in the stock motor, that could account for some of the carbon.Instead of rebuilding the wheel, I’m modifying (chopping up) an air box to get battery tray and Ecuador mount. Trimming wire harness, removed all lighting from stock harness. Using all led, Sotheby’s pourpose built V2 box is being used, no additional relays or fuses needed. I would like to find some one who can flash my ecu due to increased compression, and airbox delete Ran the PC before without airbox, tried to tune best possible by removing what hesitation I could, the carbon build up on a 7k motor was immense. And I don’t want to go the other direction and burn a hole in my new pistons And agin, waiting on bits and pieces. My last gear shaft seal and oil cooler washers showed, so I get to put oil in it now If all goes well, should be able to start it up next week, yay High compression 2V motors definitely require more octane. No idea who's doing reflashes on the Marelli ecuadors... ;D Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on April 16, 2020, 03:51:16 AM It was my bike, 93 octane when I could, no less then 91
Power commander doesn’t even list the bike anymore as far as resetting the unit. Oh the joy of old junk, lol Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: greenohawk69 on April 16, 2020, 05:14:54 AM What is the Sotheby’s purpose built V2 box you mention?
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on April 16, 2020, 05:30:44 AM Lighting control module
For led turn signals, headlight dimming, on off/start, and micro switch control Running lights and brake lights will be inline fuses https://purposebuiltmoto.com/product/black-box-v2-lighting-control-module/ Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on April 16, 2020, 05:32:12 AM What is the Sotheby’s purpose built V2 box you mention? No sure where the Sotheby’s came from, lol Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: koko64 on April 16, 2020, 05:46:48 AM That Powercommander can be dyno tuned to your bikes pipes, pod filters and stacks. I wonder if any dynos are open in your area? Have you checked out the Dynojet PC map library? You can dowload a map and transfer it to your PCIII if it is a USB version.
Are those pods the Beast kit? Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on April 16, 2020, 05:57:36 AM That Powercommander can be dyno tuned to your bikes pipes, pod filters and stacks. I wonder if any dynos are open in your area? Have you checked out the Dynojet PC map library? You can dowload a map and transfer it to your PCIII if it is a USB version. Are those pods the Beast kit? The filters are k&n, not. Sure what part number. No Dyno near me Went on site to check availability of 01 900ssie maps, bike wasn’t listed Also looking for ignition changes due to hi comp pistons installed Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Duck-Stew on April 16, 2020, 06:05:50 AM Brad Black in Australia is a good contact if you haven’t already reached out.
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on April 16, 2020, 08:33:04 AM Don’t know this Brad Black
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: ducpainter on April 16, 2020, 10:03:59 AM It was my bike, 93 octane when I could, no less then 91 That's why the heavy carbon.Power commander doesn’t even list the bike anymore as far as resetting the unit. Oh the joy of old junk, lol Bruce Meyers, who knows more about Ducati's than most, always recommended 87 for low compression 2V motors for that exact reason. No sure where the Sotheby’s came from, lol The same place as the Ecuadors bracket...damn you auto correct. ;DTitle: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on April 16, 2020, 10:33:40 AM That's why the heavy carbon. Bruce Meyers, who knows more about Ducati's than most, always recommended 87 for low compression 2V motors for that exact reason. The same place as the Ecuadors bracket...damn you auto correct. ;D Hope the 11:5 burn 93 better, I like combustion, not explosion I call it spell inject at this point Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: koko64 on April 16, 2020, 11:41:45 AM The 900ie ignition curve seems more tolerant of hi comp but run your 93 MON. No maps for a 2000 model? The pods (especially small ones) without velocity stacks under them don't flow that well, so not as lean as kits like Corse Dynamics, Beast, Beast R, WASP, Ducshop, etc. With little pods clamped on the throttle bodies you might just have to play with trim or used a canned map for a 2000 model.
Starting should be without too much strain as the hot ie cams bleed off some cranking pressure. Brad Black = BikeBoy.org Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on April 16, 2020, 12:47:26 PM A 2001,
It seemed to do ok with the filters I had, just looking to get best I can out of what turned out to be a bit more spending then planned Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: ducpainter on April 16, 2020, 12:49:21 PM Hope the 11:5 burn 93 better, I like combustion, not explosion At 11.5:1 93 is the correct choice. You're lucky it's EFI. The carbies get really difficult to tune. Where are you having your ecu mapped?I call it spell inject at this point Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: ducpainter on April 16, 2020, 12:51:00 PM The 900ie ignition curve seems more tolerant of hi comp but run your 93 MON. No maps for a 2000 model? The pods (especially small ones) without velocity stacks under them don't flow that well, so not as lean as kits like Corse Dynamics, Beast, Beast R, WASP, Ducshop, etc. With little pods clamped on the throttle bodies you might just have to play with trim or used a canned map for a 2000 model. We don't use MON. We use an average of Research and MON.Starting should be without too much strain as the hot ie cams bleed off some cranking pressure. Brad Black = BikeBoy.org Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: koko64 on April 16, 2020, 01:13:05 PM Hmm. What's that called?
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on April 16, 2020, 01:13:37 PM At 11.5:1 93 is the correct choice. You're lucky it's EFI. The carbies get really difficult to tune. Where are you having your ecu mapped? Still looking for someone And the engine is an SS not Mon Hard to remember being a monster forum, lol Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: koko64 on April 16, 2020, 01:16:05 PM Edit: I based my replies on a Monster ECU. What ECU are you using?
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on April 16, 2020, 01:18:29 PM I know, went to pc site and SS wasn’t even in the options list
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: ducpainter on April 16, 2020, 01:22:02 PM Hmm. What's that called? RON+MON/2... ;DTitle: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: koko64 on April 16, 2020, 01:59:00 PM RON+MON/2... ;D ;DPinion, what ECU are you using? Did it come with the motor and loom or a Monster ECU? I've lost track. ;D Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on April 16, 2020, 04:01:44 PM Lol
Engine, fuel delivery and ecu are 2001 900 ss ie Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: koko64 on April 16, 2020, 04:34:26 PM Should be Marelli a 1.5 ECU. Used on 900ie Monster and Supersport til the change in 02 to the 5.9 ECU. That should open up a few map options across those models I guess.
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: koko64 on April 16, 2020, 04:46:53 PM I see that many maps in the Powercommander library are now deleted. Shame. The website has changed a lot.
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Duck-Stew on April 16, 2020, 05:12:06 PM To repeat:
Brad Black = bikeboy.org Also, for that vintage there were no differences between SS900ie & M900ie. Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on April 17, 2020, 03:02:34 AM To repeat: Brad Black = bikeboy.org Also, for that vintage there were no differences between SS900ie & M900ie. Timing, ignition, rev limiter, fuel delivery(ecu) Monster rev limiter kicks in around 6500, ss 9500 Also gearbox ratio I am so available to be wrong Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on April 17, 2020, 03:32:18 AM To repeat: Brad Black = bikeboy.org Sent him a note, thanks Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Ddan on April 17, 2020, 04:18:27 AM Timing, ignition, rev limiter, fuel delivery(ecu) Monster rev limiter kicks in around 6500, ss 9500 Also gearbox ratio I am so available to be wrong 2000 Monster Sie revs well past 6500, I'm thinking the rev limiter hits just over 8k Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on April 17, 2020, 05:04:54 AM 2000 Monster Sie revs well past 6500, I'm thinking the rev limiter hits just over 8k I’m think of the carby ;D, oops Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: ducpainter on April 17, 2020, 05:16:45 AM My carby has no ecu or rev limiter.
After 8K, all you're making is noise. ;D Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Howie on April 17, 2020, 05:55:13 AM 2000 Monster 900 78 hp @ 6750 rpm
1999 Monster 900 74. HP @ 7000 RPM 2000 Supersport 80. HP @ 7000 RPM Rumor has it the carbys had a 9K red line, Ive never seen that as an official Ducati spec. As Nate said, over 8K is pointless. I believe the difference between the Monster and Supersport is cams. Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Duck-Stew on April 17, 2020, 02:02:00 PM No carb rev limiter. Just loss of power.
900 injected cams are the same between M & SS. Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Duck-Stew on April 17, 2020, 02:09:43 PM ECU’s are different though. Something about the harness pin-outs is different M to SS, and oddly ‘99 SS is different than ‘00-‘02 SS bikes. Another pin-out difference.
NOTE: almost all Ducati’s got the immobilizer in ‘02. The SS did not until 2003. Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on April 18, 2020, 02:53:40 AM No carb rev limiter. Just loss of power. 900 injected cams are the same between M & SS. Correct Main difference is injectors, gear box ratio and some mild mapping in ecu Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on April 18, 2020, 03:14:10 AM If I found a DP ecu,I could get rid of the pc, also Guzzdiag has been suggested with tune pro to rewrite myself
I have a nos ecu coming, so I have 1 to mess with Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: l88m22vette on April 19, 2020, 06:05:14 AM This makes me want to get a bunch of cheap used stuff to do an EFI conversion. I'm not going to, this is just an inspiring thread, you work a lot faster than me [roll]
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on April 19, 2020, 09:24:54 AM This is probably the simplest fi system, (and reliable)
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Duck-Stew on April 19, 2020, 12:29:23 PM This makes me want to get a bunch of cheap used stuff to do an EFI conversion. I'm not going to, this is just an inspiring thread, you work a lot faster than me [roll] EFI throttle bodies will not fit a carbureted frame. I know. I did it. The tube which runs side to side (holds back of the air box) is straight on a carbed bike and curved on an injected bike. If you can change the tube, change the wiring and change the tank, it can be done. Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: ducpainter on April 19, 2020, 01:15:17 PM EFI throttle bodies will not fit a carbureted frame. I know. I did it. The tube which runs side to side (holds back of the air box) is straight on a carbed bike and curved on an injected bike. If you can change the tube, change the wiring and change the tank, it can be done. Pay close attention to the man behind the curtain. ;DTitle: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on April 19, 2020, 02:18:01 PM Took this 95 carby and 2001 Efi
Although it was a complete motor swap This thread is it’s 3rd life (https://live.staticflickr.com/4300/35705355790_2ffbf53909_w.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WpahjA)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/WpahjA) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr (https://live.staticflickr.com/4300/36007945876_0a1bfb0f41_w.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WRU8P3)900ss (https://flic.kr/p/WRU8P3) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr And made this, no frame mods (https://live.staticflickr.com/4351/37181676456_e65da1c318.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/YDBP2b)IMG_2966 (https://flic.kr/p/YDBP2b) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr Link to build http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=75624.0 I know, I’m such a tool Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: koko64 on April 19, 2020, 02:40:22 PM That version was my favourite actually.
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: l88m22vette on April 19, 2020, 06:50:30 PM EFI throttle bodies will not fit a carbureted frame. I know. I did it. The tube which runs side to side (holds back of the air box) is straight on a carbed bike and curved on an injected bike. If you can change the tube, change the wiring and change the tank, it can be done. [beer] Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Duck-Stew on April 19, 2020, 07:25:59 PM Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on April 25, 2020, 02:39:35 AM Anyone know where I can locate a color wiring diagram for 2001 M900sie ie
All the ones online, I can’t zoom For that matter a service manual as well, I have a parts manual Thanks Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Howie on April 25, 2020, 03:29:04 AM https://haynes.com/en-us/ducati/600-2-valve-v-twins/1994-2005
Not as complete as a factory manual, but it should get you through. Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: l88m22vette on April 25, 2020, 03:43:53 AM https://www.flickr.com/photos/31794057@N08/5974525358
Is that it? Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on April 26, 2020, 04:32:21 AM https://www.flickr.com/photos/31794057@N08/5974525358 Is that it? Perfect Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on May 01, 2020, 02:21:09 PM Ok sports fans, now for the fire up
Question for the gods, coils. Any recommendations on the high compression pistons or in general Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: koko64 on May 02, 2020, 02:39:42 AM Stock EFI coils ain't bad from all reports.
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on May 02, 2020, 12:23:01 PM Also, there is no aftermarket ignition either
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: koko64 on May 02, 2020, 07:20:21 PM Both Dynatek and Nology make something with the right ohms (just have to research it carefully), but thankfully it's unnecessary. CCW site says the Exactfit coils also suit your bike, but not the 900SSie, so worth checking with Chris on that to be sure. Id put the money towards porting, a valve job or dyno tuning that PCIII to perfection (and the day trip to get there).
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on May 03, 2020, 04:31:06 AM Both Dynatek and Nology make something with the right ohms (just have to research it carefully), but thankfully it's unnecessary. CCW site says the Exactfit coils also suit your bike, but not the 900SSie, so worth checking with Chris on that to be sure. Id put the money towards porting, a valve job or dyno tuning that PCIII to perfection (and the day trip to get there). Agree with the tuning, porting an polishing next year, bikes already to gather, not taking apart agin, lol Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: koko64 on May 03, 2020, 05:01:31 AM Yeah fair enough, your summer's coming, ours is gone.
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on May 13, 2020, 09:47:29 AM Almost there, multimeter craped out, so I guess I will start switch, lights and dash harness
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49890782328_fc5b94e153.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2j1Fiqd)ABD2D344-F3BF-4688-B960-2CA87A797DF6 (https://flic.kr/p/2j1Fiqd) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on June 07, 2020, 10:50:42 AM 1st rough out of dash, too much empty space. Not anything impressive at all, just took out the jigsaw and effed around
Brain fart More like 3rd grade shop class (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49981123098_64de27faef.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2j9EjzG)29BD0948-5E6A-4013-B076-EE2744789CB7 (https://flic.kr/p/2j9EjzG) by D charles (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152723633@N05/), on Flickr Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Duck-Stew on June 07, 2020, 07:23:05 PM Call it a rough draft...
Title: Re: Look what I found in the shed Post by: Pinion on June 08, 2020, 01:11:10 AM Call it a rough draft... Basically, gets the juices flowing |