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Suprised you haven't started one of these threads yet Tabo or Vindingo?!

So..who saw the fights tonight?! !!

 :o :o :o :o


Now waiting for Uraiah Faber to beat down Jenz!! [thumbsup]

I caught em. The card was pretty solid, nice to see Wandy fighting like he did in Pride. If HDNET is in your area, they have been broadcasting the Dream (new Pride) promotion in HD. The first 3 were aired over the past 2 weeks.

havent seen the fight yet... waiting for these guys to put it up http://www.mmatko.com/

did TT make it over to the new site?

Not sure if he has?  I haven't seen him. 

I watched them! All very exciting fights  [thumbsup]

I had money on the BJ/Sherk fight, the Silva/Jardine fight, and the Ortiz/Machida fight.  I won all three of my bets  8)

+1 on that fight.  I'm really not rooting for either of them but it should be a great fight.

I watched.  It was my first UFC fight 8)

I like.

I don't remember any of the guys, but I was happy about the outcome of the Ortiz/Machida fight.

My other favorite moment. . . well, we'll just call that "the flying knee incident"

Sweet [evil]

Whoa..ML..er..I mean.."City of Angels?!

Finally visiting the man cave I see?! 

 [laugh]


Yes..BJ was at his best last night!!  [evil]

 

I can't believe people hate on Llyoto for actually using... horror of horrors... footwork.

War Vandy.  Muay Thai FTW!

Kimbo fight vid - http://www.mmatko.com/kimbo-slice-vs-james-thompson-fight-video-elitexc/#more-1530

I think it was a questionable call.  Thompson took some blows in the second round then he took Kimbo down and dominated the fight.   I also think that the fight would have been stopped at the end of the second round if it was in the UFC.  While the punches werent devestating, Kimbo took punches and elbows for a minute straight without doing anything before the bell. 

Bah, I'm ready for the real fight tonight, Pulver-Faber  [thumbsup]

Yup!!  [thumbsup]

IMO I dont think it will be much of  fight.  I think UF will destroy Jens. 

I don't know.  Faber's a young ball of fury but I'm wary of betting against experience.  To a point anyway.  Pulver's getting up there for a fighter but he looks ready for this fight.

Agreed.  First time I've seen Kimbo fight.  Really big dude, but I think Thompson was handling him well.  Maybe could have beaten him.  Kimbo was completely winded during that 2nd round.  If he hadn't split Thompson's ear open I don't think he could have lasted long enough to beat him.

He certainly sucked when he got put on the ground and couldn't punch.

I guess we will see tonight!  It is live on the VS network if you've got it. 

As  a big fan of MMA and someone who constantly defends the sport I would have to say that Saturday's Elite XC show hurt the sport instead of helping it.  I am all for MMA being on broadcast tv and something like 4 million people watched it.  I just wish they would have put on a better show.  The production was horrible and why did they announce the fighters before they walked to ring and when they got to the ring?  You can see why Dana White said no f-ing deal when CBS offered the UFC the contact.  The last two fights had very questionable calls.  What a load of BS.  Some of the fights were good and I wish Gina Carrano would fight more.  I love to watch her fight.

Hopefully people are finally getting sick of dumb@$$ Kimbo Slice.  I agree with Vindingo.  They should have called the figt at the end of the second round when Kimbo was eating elbows to the side of the head. I can't wait to see him fight a real MMA fighter and not some washed up old dudes or a guy like Thompson who is known for getting knocked-out.  He even got in a verbal altercation with Brett Rodgers (a real fighter by the way) at the press conference.  I would love to see that fight.  At some point they are going to have to throw someone good his way and he is going to get destroyed.  Brock Lesnar has less fights them he does and would completely dominate him.

I guess that is enough pregnant doging for me.  Glad to see this thread on here.

I don't watch a whole lot of MMA but those last two fights were really weak.  If you have to keep the fights civil and not too ugly in order to put them on broadcast TV then maybe broadcast should just stay out of that sport.  While the fight itself was good, they didn't even follow their own protocol in calling the middleweight bout.  And Kimbo needs to stick with the youtube morons.

SPOILER!!!!






I think you were dead on with the ball or fury vs experiance.  Pulver also has an iron jaw!!!  I think Faber was just way too fast and well conditioned.  His stand up was WAY better than expected.  It was a VERY exciting fight, with Faber the obvious victor. 

That was a great fight.   [clap] [clap]

The Mexican fighting too before the Faber fight..that was good too!

I don't care for Vs. Channel too much though. 

Matt Hughes vs Thiago Alves (http://"http://www.dailymotion.com/search/UFC/video/x5pbnv_ufc-85-matt-hughes-vs-thiago-alves_sport")

Fabricio Werdum vs Brandon Vera (http://"http://www.dailymotion.com/search/UFC/video/x5pb00_ufc-85-fabricio-werdum-vs-brandon-v_sport")

Nate Quary vs Pete Sell (http://"http://www.dailymotion.com/search/UFC/video/x5p92s_psvsnq-1_sport")

Links not working

try this one...

http://www.mmatko.com/matt-hughes-vs-thiago-alves-fight-video-ufc-85-bedlam/#more-1588

Just wanted to get everyone's thoughts on the Griffin/Rampage fight coming up this weekend.  I watched the whole season of TUF and thought the whole time that Forrest was taking the fight more serious than Rampage.  I would love to see Forrest pull off the upset but it is going to be very difficult.  I do think that he presents a couple of bad matchups for Rampage like his height and of course his chin.  Should be a great fight and would be an awesome win for Forrest. 

I watched too. Personally my favorite season so far. I like Rampage better now having seen his humor. As for the fight?... Rampage is a beast, but Forrest just gets tougher the more you beat on him. Ultimately it's a hard fight to call but only a puss would say to close to call. So I'll take Forrest, besides being unbelievably tough, he also is constantly working his weakest points to make himself a better fight. + he's prolly my fav fighter even since his season on TUF.  [popcorn]

Rampage was funny as h*ll!  He will be all business when he gets to the fight though and I think he'll win after a long fight.  It was a good psych out for Forest with his team winning all those fights this season.  He has really come a long way since he was on TUF.  Unfortunately, I'll be on the road so I won't be able to see it.  

Speaking of TUF..I can't believe Jesse threw it all away before the finals!!   ??? [roll]  WTF!!  At least Dana gave him a chance to go home, clean himself up and give him a call in the future.

Also, CB needs to go back to Tempe and work on his BJJ a little more.  I'm sure he'll be back in UFC soon.  It was good to see him knocked down a peg before the finals and then a few more after!!   [evil]  I would have never picked Amir at the beginning of the season to win.  He had a good heart though!!        

I really liked this season of TUF also.  It was a shame to see Jesse Taylor mess up but hopefully he will clean his act up.  As for CB, I tended to hate him on the show but if you go to www.mmajunkie.com  he had a blog there and was very smart and articulate.  He stated that he was ashamed of the way he acted  after the TUF Finale.   I think he will be a very good fighter but has a lot to work on.  His striking was good but even the punches he landed squarely did not seem to hurt people.  Although Amir is kind of a freak and can really take a beating.

I just can't wait until Saturday for this fight.   Know one thought Forrest had a chance in his last fight and he destroyed Rua who many think is one of the best light-heavyweights in the world.  I think his heart and chin along with his jitz skills get him the win in the late 4th round.

+1 on Rampage's cleverness.  He made me laugh out loud a few times this season.  When the dude got knocked out and was asking people if the fight was real or practise and Rampage said "He asked me and I didn't know what to say so I walked away."  also when he was talking about the poster of the frog being ate by a pelican and the frog was choking it right back.  Never give Up.  what a funny dude.

I think this is a very tough test for Forrest to pass.  I'm taking Rampage.  Forrest has been training with Wanderlei 'The Axe Murderer' Silva, at Extreme Couture, which will help.  However, Rampage is tough and will come to fight 5 long rounds; Forrest has never fought a 5 round championship fight.  I don't see a decision, on this one; it's KO or TKO. 

I agree that this one will not go to decision.  Wanderlei has beat Rampage twice and both were very bad knockouts, remember the one where Rampage fell throught the ropes?  Maybe he can give Forrest some kind of intangible. Anything can happen though.  It wouldn't surprise me if Rampage knocks him out in 30 secs which he is very capable of doing.  I like both guys so I just want to see the best fight.  Even though Forrest hasn't fought a 5 round fight yet he is legendary already for his cardio.

Rampage, by "whup-that-ass."

TKO in the second due to strikes from the mount.  Griffin's a good wrestler with good BJJ, but his only true defining characteristic is his ability to take a extrordinary beating and outlast the other guy.

That won't be happening with Rampage.

The rest of the card is kinda meh...

Patrick Cote  Vs. Ricardo Almeida Uh, who?
Joe Stevenson Vs. Gleison Tibau Joe Daddy by G'n'P
Josh Koscheck Vs. Chris Lytle Zzzzzzzzz... unless Lytle can clock him one.  War Lytle!
Tyson Griffin Vs. Marcus Aurelio  Good time to replenish the drinks, grab a sammich...
Gabriel Gonzaga Vs. Justin McCully  Gonzo to KO fat Tito clone, film at eleven.
Jorge Gurgel  Vs. Cole Miller Shot fighter vs. the unworthy TUF alum... give it to Miller
Melvin Guillard Vs. Dennis Siver Melvin!  Sell me an 8-ball, dawg!
Corey Hill Vs. Justin Buchholz Corey is a freak... I wonder if he can roll yet.  Corey to win by strikes.

Stay in your seat for the Cote/Almeida fight, bro.  It should be a good one.  Likewise, the Griffin/Aurelio fight; those little guys can scrap!  Please let Melvin get knocked the make the beast with two backs out!!  Please!?!

Well, who saw Griffin shock the MMA world last night.  I said all along that Griffin was taking the fight way more serious than Rampage and it showed.  Rampage didn't look out of shape or anything but he just seemed not as sharp as he usually does.  Griffin on the other hand, looked awesome and had a great game plan.  Those leg kicks really hurt Rampage and probably won Griffin the belt.  All in all a very good fight and I can't wait for the rematch.  I wonder if Rampage is going to own up on his bet that the fight wouldn't go to decision.

The rest of the show pretty much sucked though.

I haven't seen it yet, but I heard the Koschek / Lytle fight was really bloody.  I'll have to get my copy from my homeboy's hard drive later today.

Looks like I whiffed on my Rampage prediction.  Kudos to Dana White for finally getting one of his TUF discoveries to the pinnacle.  The man is looking like a marketing genius these days.

Yeah Boy!!! I called it. Griffin is pimp! Everytime I see him fight he has improved his skills. I have yet to see him come to a fight umimproved from the last fight. He learns and takes lessons from each fight, win or lose. Go Forrest!!!  [popcorn] [thumbsup] [clap]

Jackson sucks. That was a terrible fight for him. Where was the rampage? No where. Exactly why the ref should of let that liddel fight go on so rampage could get his ass beat.

There were two good fights there. I'll never pay $55 again. Split between me and a buddy but still. Even with 5 guys I dont' think it's worth it.
I never really watched too much MMA, but a couple friends are into it and I've seen some pretty good bouts in the last couple years.

Just watched Griffin/Rampage.  Went just the way I thought it would.  Knew that if Griffin could stay outside he'd snatch the decision.

Anyway...

Anybody buying Affliction later this month in the DC/Baltimore area?

Whatever, bro.  That fight went right down the line.  Rounds 3-5 were close, and the agression and control that Griffin's leg kicks imposed, are what tipped the scales for him.  Great fight.  Rampage was definitely cautious, respecting Forrest's striking ability.  I'm surprised that Rampage didn't train more to deal with Forrest's ground game but, he's always had a crappy guard.

GSP fight

Huerta fight

who you got?!

GSP all the way.

1:43 of the first round!    [thumbsup]

I'm looking forward to the Huerta fight as much as the GSP fight.  I love watching that guy fight.  He's non-stop aggression.

There is going to  be at least three great fights tomorrow.   

Jon Fitch will give GSP a good fight but I see GSP submiting him in the 3rd.

Lesnar is going to knock out Heath Herring in the first or get submitted in the second.

I'm going out on a limb saying Kenny Florian is going to beat Huerta by knock out.  This will be the fight of the night.  Both of these guys love to bang.  And as Florian always says "I finish fights"

GSP FTW.  Krotty pwnage!

Gimme KenFlo, too.  I like the thinking side of Florian's game.

Ocf course, all it takes is one punch but I don't see Florian having that kind of luck on his side with Huerta.  Florian is going to be a tough opponent and I like him but it's not going to be his day!   [thumbsup]

I didn't give Lesner's fight a second thought.  The guy is an oof. He'll probably win but who cares?!   [roll] ;)

I think your wrong when you say who cares.  I think a lot of people are interested in Lesnar whether they like him or hate him which means more buys for the UFC.  Why misjudge the guy just because he was pro wrestler.  He was also a 2 time NCAA champ in wrestling.  So when you discount him you also have to discount guys like Matt Hamil, Josh Koshcheck, Mark Coleman, and Matt Hughes to name a few.  This guy is the real deal.  He has to cut about 20 pounds to make weight which no one in that division has to do.  Once he gets a few fights under his belt and gains confidence in his stand up he is going to be a force to be reckoned with.  Also, the UFC's heavy weight division is weak and new comers like Lesnar and a few other young guys are coming up and will hopefully challange Affliction in the heavy weight area.

Side note.  His hands are so big they had to special make his gloves.

GSP is one of those guys that looks unbeatable right now. Add Silva to that list.
I like Fitch alot and think it'll be a damn good fight.
I'd like to see what Florian does against Huerta. Give the edge to Florian.

BTW, whatever happened to Gabrielle Gonzaga? That guy's a fvckin' masher.

+1  I'm not a huge fan but I don't wish any ill will on the guy.  Lots of fighters come into MMA with a weaker background than NCAA wrestling.  And being a 2 time champ, in my mind makes him a legit competitor.  At least until he proves otherwise.

Where did you get from my comments that I'm discounting all of those other fighters and wrestlers??

I didn't say a thing about not liking Lesner because he was a pro wrestler.  

I'm not misjudging him.  I just don't like the guy.  



Sgt..who's wishing any ill will on the guy?!


Where are you guys getting this stuff?!   [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]

  

I didn't think you were wishing ill will on this guy. In fact I love this thread and typically you and I are the ones posting on here.  I'm just a big Lesnar fan (yes from his WWF days) and thought when you called him an oof I thought you were disounting him.  I think if MMA fans give him a chance they will be rewarded with a powerful fighter who can dominate.  I wouldn't want to take his best punch.  His fists are the size of canned hams.

I don't think getting hit with a sledge hammer would feel too good either!  I'm sure the guys fists are bigger than my head! 

They probably are as big as your head.  Also his neck muscles are so huge it has got to be really hard to knock him out. 

Anyways, this is going to be  a great card and I can't wait for the KenFlo Huerta fight.

I agree.  So far, Huerta has not met anyone of Florian's caliber (and would get destroyed by Penn).  Of course, Florian has not met anyone of Penn's caliber and will, thus, get destroyed.  On the 7th Day, God rested so that He could spend extra time creating B.J. Penn on the 8th Day.  [laugh]

Lesnar is a beast, but a somewhat untested fighter.  I could see Herring submitting this guy.

http://www.mmahotstuff.com/about/2008/08/ufc-87-list-of-bars-showing-ufc-87-where-will-you-be.html (http://www.mmahotstuff.com/about/2008/08/ufc-87-list-of-bars-showing-ufc-87-where-will-you-be.html)


Looks like it's on at Hooter's all over the country and since that's the closest location to us..   [thumbsup]  [thumbsup]

Thanks for the link. I'm new to the b-more area and I had NO idea where to see fights. no more getting beat in the head by comcast to see fights at home. i guess I'll be at the bar [beer]

No problem!   [thumbsup]

We typically buy the fight on pay-per-view but since we aren't hosting UFC parties anymore (at least until we meet some other local fans), we decided to get out of the house.

Don't be discouraged if you don't see "your" bar on that list, it is not comprehensive.  A couple bars I know that are showing it, are not on there.

BTW, Adam - Hooters Lake Union stopped hosting UFC showings!  James and I were crushed!!!  You guys leave and the city goes to hell!!!!!!

That bites!  I thought you guys would just slide right back into there to watch the fights again.   :-\

How about a DMF MMA Fight.

You mean we get to fight anyone on the DMF we want? [popcorn]

I know that all Buffalo Wild Wings play the fights every time if that helps.

New thread. 

Who would you fight on the DMF..list your TOP 3! 

or

DMF fightclub

**no reasons..just names!!    [laugh]

Huerta..argh!!  He just didn't have that fire in him that he had against The Carpenter.  Too bad.  He was the hometown boy here in Austin.  Good fight though.  Florian..is an awesome fighter! 

GSP!!   [thumbsup] [thumbsup]  I said KO 1:43 in the first round, right?!  GSP would have had it too if he just finished him off in that flurry of punches!!  Oh well..another great fight under GSP's belt!!  Fitch hung in there tough but he just looked clumsy after a few rounds. 

So,  after tonight..I'm even Less-nar than impressed with the product from the WWE.   [roll]  What an azzhole!  Go back to showboat wrestling!!  Big deal he overpowered and literally destroyed Heath but that attitude??  WTF?!  Lesnar almost won me over in the pre-fight interview/show at his place in MN.  But..the laughing, poking fun and smacktalk after the fight.  [roll]  Have to give it up for his opponent for being able to stay in there.  Herring's face was mashed and his back and sides are going to be f'ed for about 6 months after being on the receiving end of those knee shots.  D*mn!! :o  Anyway, hopefully Dana tells Lesnar to STFU before the next fight and be a bit more respectful!!   

+1 on all of that.  I wasn't impressed with K Fed, er, Ken Flo.  It looked like Huerta wanted to fight and J Lo wanted to dance.  I give him credit for winning the fight but that's about it.

Lesnar showed great wrestling skills but looked lost out there.  He spent the entire fight in dominant positon but he did very little with it.  And the whole ride em cowboy thing... that was lame.  If I was Herring I would have sucker punched him after the fight.

I don't know what was up with GSP either.  He looked like he wanted the fight to go to the judges.  He had multiple chances to knock Fitch out but he didn't capitalize on them.  It just seemed like nobody was interested in finishing their fight.  Everyone had chances but nobody took them. 

Funny that everyone thinks Lesnar's "Showboating" is bad.  Heath Herring does the ride em cowboy everytime he wins and he was talking a lot of shit about Lesnar before the fight.  Herring was able to do nothing to Lesnar.   Anytime he wanted Lesnar would just throw him down or get on top of him.  I can't even imagine what Herring's face and sides look like today.  I get that Lesnar didn't do a whole lot with Herring when on the ground but his stand up looked good and people like to forget that Herring is one of the better heavyweights in the UFC and this was only Lesnar's third fight in MMA ever.  Herring has something like 40 fights under his belt and has fought the best heavyweights in the world.  I'm sure that Lesnar will work on his Jitz after this fight.  Lesnar was just throwing him around like a little kid.  After this fight I would bet that there are not many heavyweights that would want to fight him. 

If you think that Dana White would tell him or any fighter to not show off or shit talk your very very wrong.  When he was managing Tito and when they were getting along Tito was the biggest shit talker out there.  Do you forget the last two Shamrock fights where after he won he was walking around acting like he was digging a grave?  Doesn't get anymore disrespectful than that.  White absolutley loves that kind of stuff and I'm sure he couldn't be happier with how bad Lesnar dominated Herring.

I just don't get why people hate on Lesnar.  If had just come into the UFC with 2 fights under his belt and had never been in the WWE people would think a lot different.  I guess it doesn't really matter though becuase he is only going to get better and everyone better get used to seeing him because he is going to be fighting in the UFC for a long time.  He'll have the belt within a year and a half.

We just got back from a new restauraunt that opened up <1 mile away.  Paul Buentello was there last night for the fights.  I guess he is a local.  The name didn't register until I remembered he fought Gilbert Aldana (one of my old clients in AZ).   

So, how long is it going to be before H-D takes over the UFC?  Has this been discussed?  I just had the thought when the fighters were standing on the H-D mat before the fight.





**I don't like poor sportsmanship.  I didn't care for Tito's antics either.  I did like him for his coaching on TUF and his wins over Shamrock. 

Herring's appearance before the fight was comical.  I was glad to see him get beat.   

   

Herring has fought some of the best HW in the world but I think of him as a "supercan", a guy put out there to lose to the best guys in the weight class, not the star they were hyping him as. The hate for Brock comes from him having one fight and thinking he was ready for the UFC. He should have done some other fights in lower orgs work on his skills so he was above the usual wrestler "turtlef#cking" no finishing skills and then I would like him. And I think BJJ blackbelts are lined up around the block to fight him.

And Dana could care less about the showboating, nobody talks more shit that Dana, who is he to tell anyone else to stop. Dana is too busy rubbing his grubby hand together after this show went perfectly: El tight shorts lost so Dana pull a "told you so" and doesn't have to pay him, Brock the "star" won so he can hype him, and GSP won so the Penn/GSP supefight can happen the future.

I agree that he probably should have had some more fights before coming in but I think that is more White's fault than anyone else.  People shouldn't hate on him because he is inexperienced.  Shane Sherk does that bs all the time and he was the champ.  The difference here was that I was entertained the whole fight instead of bored.  Those knees to the body are more fun to watch than stand up. Ouch!  If you watch this fight he was much more polished than his first fight which I thought he got screwed on anyways (two of the stand ups for back of the head shots to Mir were complete bull shit).  Obviously his striking is way better and there is no one who can stop him if he wants to shoot them.  He said himself in the post fight press conference that he still has a whole lot to work on.  Once he gets better at jitz he is going to be unstoppable.  That being said, Noguiera would crush him right now and anyone with better stand up than Herring and good at jitz will give him trouble. 

That first right that brock threw suprised the sh!t outta me, it looked liked a punch! ;D And the flying knee before that :o  But those knees being more fun to watch...not really. Painful to watch but not more entertaning. And I don't like Sherk either, maybe it's just me and the style I like. This fight did look alot better than the last.

That being said, Noguiera would crush him right now and anyone with better stand up than Herring and good at jitz will give him trouble.  Big +1

"Supercan"... heh.

More accurately, Herring is a "gatekeeper."  He's not quite good enough to rise to the top of his class, but you've got to beat him to show that you've got the skills to challenge for the belt.  Herring played the same role in Pride... always a bridesmaid, never the bride.  Other than having decent kickboxing for a big guy and some submission defense, Herring's most notable trait has always been that he'll fight a bigger, tougher, guy pretty well.  Well enough to drop the other guy a couple times and occassionally grind out a win.

Guys like Lesnar are a nightmare for bangers that can't grapple.  Herring is used to powering his way out of ground control, which wasn't going to happen against the bigger, stronger, wrestler Lesnar.  What irks me is that Herring has been in MMA for a decade and can't seem to apply a triangle... there were points where Lesnar was just open and sloppy on the ground.  Someone like Big Nog would have wrenched off an arm and taken it home.

Shifting gears>>>>

If I'm Ken Florian, and I just beat everyone that's anyone in the 155-lbs class, I run into the ring and hit GSP with a folding chair as soon as he starts talking about a superfight with BJ Penn.  Ken Flo earned his shot at the 155 crown, and has as good a chance to take it from Penn as anyone.  If BJ goes up in weight to 170 for another crack at GSP, Ken Flo has to fight someone for a vacant belt.  He'd much rather win it or lose it to the actual champ.

And BJ Penn should probably think again about going up to 170 for a piece of GSP.  St. Pierre is a machine right now.  I don't think it would go as well for BJ if they met right now.

I agree that KenFlo should be upset.  He deserves a shot at the title before Penn should get at chance at different belt.  That being said a match between GSP and BJ Penn would be awesome and I'm sure it is going to happen.  I just think that KenFlo should get his chance first. 

I think that BJ Penn is a much more focused fighter now than when he first fought GSP.  That match could really go either way but I think it would be a war.

Can't wait for that one!!

Lesnar by 'rear naked blanket'.  Props to Herring for not giving up; damn, he took some shots.  The right opponent WILL expose Lesnar's weaknesses; Big Nog, for one.

I'm just starting to follow this sport so forgive my ignorance. I missed UFC 87 but I was happy to see KenFlo won and GSP. Other than that most of my interest was on one of the under card fights. Tamdon Mc Corry vs Luke Cuomo. The fight can be seen on the UFC web site for free but Tamdon pretty much ruled all 3 rounds. Tamdon is 11-1 now and I think he's going to be up & coming. The reason for my interest is, Tamdon is one of my instructors along with Eric Charles who had a short stint on TUF 7. I'm too old and broken to think about competing but it's pretty  cool to have  guys like that to learn from. So give Tamdon some [bacon]

Gavin

Does tito fight any more?

He's left the UFC. Not sure where he'll land, but I'd guess he'll be on an Affliction card in the near future.

Tito did not leave the UFC he was run out by Dana because they couldn't get along and his past 4 or 5 fights sucked. 

He should be fighting Babalu at Oct's Affliction event.

By the way the best place for MMA news is .  www.mmajunkie.com

Yeah, the "junkie" has really become a great clearinghouse for info.  Check out http://www.mma-core.com (http://www.mma-core.com) and http://www.mmatko.com (http://www.mmatko.com) for fight vids.

Wow, MY heart hurts just watchin Butter Bean

http://www.mmatko.com/butterbean-vs-wesley-cabbage-correira-video-k-1-grand-prix-hawaii/ (http://www.mmatko.com/butterbean-vs-wesley-cabbage-correira-video-k-1-grand-prix-hawaii/)

I didn't answer up in the past but couldn't take anymore of this Lesnar hooha. He's a goof.



Tito was not run out, his contract was up. Three out of his last five fights were some of the biggest moneymakers in UFC history. Problem is he is one of the most vocal fighters concerning the low percentage of the take the fighters are getting.


Putting Lesnar in the same league as Hughes or Koshcheck just because he wresteled in college is a bit off IMO. Lesnar has no real skills other then wrestling, and being BIG. He's a one dimensional mass of muscle.


Hence the problem. WWF/WWE is fake BS. I think the problem that most real MMA fans have with Lesnar is him prancing in like the UFC is the same thing. It's not. Right now he's the bearded lady of the UFC.

Dude your taking my points all out of contex and wrong.

Take a look at Koshchecks first fights.  All he did was want to wrestle.  Once he learned some better stand up and jitz his fights were much more fun to watch.  I was just trying to make the point that a lot of fighters start out with really good wrestiling skills and use that as a base to build on with stand up and jitz.

I can't say this enough and people still don't get it, Lesnar has had 3 count them 3 fights total in MMA, no amatuer fights and only 3 profesional fights.  He seems pretty impresive to me after 3 fights.  I'm not saying that he is the worlds biggest ass beater right now. You say he is one dimensional but did you see Herring's face after just one punch from him?  But give him 2 years and 5 or 6 more fights and he is going to be absolutely incredible.

I also don't think that Lesnar ever came prancing in thinking it was going to be like the WWE.  If anything he knew that he would have a target on his back and would have to work harder. Maybe the UFC advertises him to much as former WWE champion but I this guy is for real. If you watch any of his pre-fight videos or post fight press conferences he is very respectful of the other fighters and knows he has a lot of weaknesses and is trying to fix them.  Also he has to cut about 20 pounds before every fight which almost no other heavyweight has to do or the ones that do don't fight in the UFC where there is a limit.

This is my last post on Lesnar until he fights again because nothing is going to make anyone see past the WWE thing until he wins more which I am sure he will.  Kongo is next and he's going to look like Herring did after his match.  It just sucks to me that people can't get excited about him (just because he was in the WWE) and the other new heavyweights in the UFC because their division has been weak for a while. Oh yeah, Ken Shamrock wrestled in the WWE for about 2 years longer than Brock did and he is considered one of the best mma fighters ever ( I know he went from MMA to wrestling to MMA so don't post I didn't).   

Finally, yes Tito was still a big draw but that only had to do with his name because his last 5 or 6 fights sucked my dick and that is why he and Dana didn't want him in the UFC along with him being vocal about fighters salaries.

Sorry. I thought I quoted exactly the context.  :)

-Let's recap. Tito didn't get run out. He just won't fight for a pittance of the UFC take anymore. And saying Tito's only draw was his name? Uhh, they bought the fights because they like the name Tito?  ;D
-Lesnar isn't a mixed martail artist.  The UFC advertises him as coming from the WWE so people that don't watch Nascar and WWE will know he's famous...somewhere.
-Shamrock never fought in the WWE, no one does. He acted.  :)

So we will sit back and see what Lesnar becomes. Unfortunately, he is going to bring some WWE fans with him. The same fans that boo a "slow" match because they don't have a clue what they are looking at.

First off never said Shamrock fought I said he wrestled in the WWE.

Never said Tito didn't get good ppv buys what I said was that Tito's last 4 or 5 fights sucked.  Talk about a boring fight, his last fight was horrible.  He spent 15 minutes running away from Machida and acting tough by lauging at him.  I used to love Tito when he really was the Huntington Beach Bad Boy instead of just trying to win fights by surviving.  His last good fight was against Forrest Griffin where he won but I felt that Griffin beat him.  They can talk all they want about the UFC's salary issues but the real reason Tito is gone is that he couln't beat anyone good in his division.  Let's face it Affliction had a successful ppv but their only strong division is the heavyweights and the rest of the fighters are people who couldn't hack it in the UFC or older fighters. 

I definitly agree with you about the WWE fans which can stay watching RAW.  I hope you don't think I am one of them because I absolutely love MMA and have been a fan since the UFC was bought by White and Zuffa.  I can see your point on Lesnar I just think that if he had never been in the WWE people would see him in a different light.  I think it sucks that he has this stigma just because he was a wrestler.  In any case he is helping out the UFC's heavyweight  division which was severly lacking.

By the way, why wouldn't you boo a boring match.  I hate watching Sherk wallow on someone for 15 minutes and I know your going to say that is what Lesnar did but I and everyone I watched it with thought the match was entertaining regardless. Those knees where nasty.  Like you said we'll see what happens.

There's a difference between booing a boring match (which I still think is distasteful) and booing because the fight went to the ground and you have no idea what good BJJ is.  I don't think that a large percentage of "fans" understand the fight game enough to know a boring match when they see it.  Most fans don't understand why a fighter won't just wade in swinging and battle it out toe-to-toe, when their opponent happens to be an All-American college wrestler.  I didn't think that the Lesnar fight was boring, but it was due to the heart of Herring, not any massive attack by Lesnar, that I think so.


Lesnar has size and good takedowns.  That's it.  His standup is fair, but good for the time he's been in the game.  Against a good kickboxer with solid takedown defense, he could be in trouble.  Lesnar can hide a lot of weaknesses behind his size and ability to control from the top.  That does not mean he is a well-rounded fighter.  You brought up Koscheck, and he is a great example; until he really started working on his standup, he was not a very well-rounded fighter either, but he was competitive.  He still needs work on his boxing, but he is beating guys on the feet.  Same with Brock. 

Lesnar has size and good takedowns.  That's it.  His standup is fair, but good for the time he's been in the game.  Against a good kickboxer with solid takedown defense, he could be in trouble.  Lesnar can hide a lot of weaknesses behind his size and ability to control from the top.  That does not mean he is a well-rounded fighter.  You brought up Koscheck, and he is a great example; until he really started working on his standup, he was not a very well-rounded fighter either, but he was competitive.  He still needs work on his boxing, but he is beating guys on the feet.  Same with Brock. 
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That is my point exactly.  People are already writing him off because he has a few weaknesses and was in the WWE.  I am very excited to see what he can do once he gets better on his feet and learns some better jitz.  If he can work hard and put it all together he will be unstopable. I'm not saying he is unstopable now just that he has the potential to be.

Oh, how the mighty have fallen. 

Ken Shamrock vs.  Kimbo Slice at Elite XC OCT4th.  They must have really wanted some ratings with this one because they are up against Ohio State/Wisconsin and USC/Oregon plus baseball playoffs. 

Hopefully Ken beats him but man is he old and tired.  I would love to see him knock the shit of Kimbo and show what a piece of crap he is.

^^^Me, too.  Ken could have some trouble, though.

^^He could but his stand up is a million times better than the Thompson's and he gave Kimbo trouble. I doubt Kimbo will be able to hit him because he as fought some most of the best strikers ever.  The only way I see Kimbo winning this is by taking him down and ground and pound.  However that plays into Ken's strength- jitz and wrestiling.  I would love to see Ken knock him down with punches quick and then submit him. I try not to hate on Kimbo too much because he is kind of  (and I only mean only  a little bit) in Lesanar's situation.  However I think he sucks and was getting easy opponents the promoters new he would beat.  Lesnar fought a former champ in his second fight where as kimbo fought a tomato can.  Lesnar is a legit athelete any way you look at it and Kimbo is a hoodlum who got famous for bear knuckle and got sucked up by a promotion needing a draw.  If Kimbo tries his bs uppercuts where he leads with his face he is going to eat Shamrock's knees.

Though it seems I may be in the minority, I was very excited to see Lesnar join with the UFC because of his time at Minnesota.  I used to watch tapes of him wrestle guys like Stephen Neal and Pat Smith.  Lesnar is a legit athlete and a seriously big dude.  I think he will be a serious bad ass in just a short while.

Kimbo - I just dont care for him so much.  He is pretty old though, so it's not like he is going to be making a run for any belt.  I really hope the Shamrock beats the crap out of him.  It would be pretty embarassing it he didn't.  If getting pregnant doged around by Tito wasn't bad enough, a loss to Kimbo should be a pretty clear sign that he needs to hang up the gloves. 

Well,  looks like Lesnar is going to fight Couture in November. A win would be huge for Lesnar and a win for Couture would help bring him back in to the UFC (he signed a 3 fight deal).

I don't give Brock much of a chance but it should be a good fight for him to learn in.

Just goes to show that the UFC makes it's future star fighters fight rather than Elite XC who throws crap opponents (lets face it Shamrock hasn't been good in a few years- waaayyy past his prime) at Kimbo. 

Randy is a great, but I think if he fights Lesnar, he's in trouble.  Randy's game is all about control and the clinch.  He did well with Gonzaga, who's a big guy, but Lesnar is something else.  Randy will probably weigh in the 230's at fight time.  Lesnar could be in the 280's after everything.  Considering Lesnar's wrestling background, that's a lot to ask, even of Randy.

That being said.  I'm rooting for the Natural.

I agree with you Lesnar definitely fights at around 285 or 290.  That is a big difference for Couture.  Should be a good fight.  I reall don't care who wins.  Although I've always thought that Couture was a bit boring.  The fight against Gonzaga was not boring at all though.

WHAT?!   :o :o :o

Hmm..don't know about this one.  Of course, I'd like to see Couture win. 

Tell that to Tim Sylvia, and see what he says.  Randy is all about crafting a gameplan to overcome his opponent's strengths and win.  If you watched the Couture/Sylvia fight, Randy controlled a MUCH larger and taller opponent for five rounds.  Granted, Brock Lesnar is no Tim Sylvia (in both good and bad ways).  Randy had much more trouble with Gonzaga (due to his explosiveness).  I think Lesnar's explosiveness will be something that Randy will have to neutralize.  Don't forget, Randy is one badass wrestler in his own right.  Of any heavyweight in the UFC now, I think Randy has the best bet of defending Brock's takedowns.  If it turns into a standup war, Lesnar is in trouble.

Evan Tanner is dead!!

A body believed to be former UFC middleweight champ Evan Tanner's was found on Monday in the Palo Verde mountain area in California after Tanner had gone missing in the area over the weekend.

Tanner, 37, had blogged ominously about his trip into the desert to "cleanse."

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"I plan on going so deep into the desert, that any failure of my equipment, could cost me my life," he wrote on his journal for Spike TV.

A member of his management team told Yahoo! Sports, "What we were told is that (Sheriff's officials who found Tanner) believe his motorcycle had run out of gas, so he went to walk out in like 115- to 118-degree heat. He was miles away from his camp. That's where the helicopter found him. Right now, they just think that he succumbed to the heat."

Tanner made his MMA debut in April of 1997 winning three fights in one night, including a win over Paul Buentello. His biggest fight came in February of 2001 when he challenged then UFC Light Heavyweight champion Tito Ortiz in the main event of UFC 30 but was knocked out in just 32 seconds.

Tanner later moved down to 185 pounds and won the vacant UFC Middleweight Championship over David Terrell, but then lost the title in June of 2005 to Rich Franklin in a fight where the winner would also become one of the coaches for the 2nd season of "The Ultimate Fighter".

The UFC signed Tanner to a four fight contract last November with the first fight of that contract taking place earlier this year in March at UFC 82 in Columbus, Ohio. He lost by KO to Yushin Okami and then suffered another loss in June to Kendall Grove by split decision on the TUF 7 Finale show in Las Vegas.

I read that, as well.  RIP, at last, Evan.  He seemed to be a tortured person, over the last few years.  What a bummer.

I heard about this yesterday morning. What a bummer. He was a warrior. No showboating, no BS, just gave it his all every fight. He will be missed inn the UFC.

Top 2 B!tch moves in UFC..

stomping on toes

cutting off the air supply

 [roll]

Smart tactics.

B!tch moves are the guys that run away the whole fight.

True.  Runnig away the whole fight..seen a few of those..that is a b!tch move.

You can call the foot stomps and glove over the mouth a smart tactics but I call 'em dirty moves.  Why not just kick your opponent in the balls?!   

Because in the UFC that's against the rules. Disrupting your opponets breathing is smart. Foot stomps not so much but they do get things moving sometimes.

What the hell happened last night?!  ???

Can't believe I actually paid a cover charge!!   [bang]

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=dw-silva102608&prov=yhoo&type=lgns (http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=dw-silva102608&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)

Where was Sanchez anyway? 

The highlight of the night was the Shirk fight.  Those two went ALL OUT!!   :o

It was like watching 2 oompa loompas fight.

Sherk would be an even bigger monster than he is now if he had 3 more inches of reach. Actually, I guess everyone would be better off if they had 3 extra inches.

Well, just about 2 and a half weeks until the Lesnar/Couture Fight.  I hope it lives up to the hype.  If you're interested there is a very good article at MMA Junkie about each fighters chances.

http://mmajunkie.com/news/13104/breaking-down-randy-couture-vs-brock-lesnar-from-fight-magazine.mma (http://mmajunkie.com/news/13104/breaking-down-randy-couture-vs-brock-lesnar-from-fight-magazine.mma)

Nice right up and agree a lot with his points.  Although,  I hope they stand--up and bang.  I would love to see more of Lesnar's stand-up.  He barely hit Herring and his face was destroyed in one punch.  Could be bad for Couture.

On, a side note;  Dana White invited Kimbo to be on the next TUF.  How disrespectful is that?  Gotta love the pres!

 [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]

Why is that disrespectful?  What has Kimbo done to show that he belongs in the most highly-competitive MMA promotion around?  Guys with loads more experience that Kimbo started in the UFC through the TUF show: Bonnar, Griffin, Mac Danzig, and a host of others.

If you think for a second that I want to see Kimbo suceed or even do well your wrong.  I think Kimbo got just what he deserved and more.  Yes, it wasn't fair for Elite XC to put him in the position but he really acted like he thought he belonged.  I just mean't that he probably felt disrespected because he went from headlining a show to not having a job in 1 day and now Dana is asking him to be in a show based on young, talented fighters trying to get into the UFC. 

I love MMA and Kimbo (Elite XC) made a mockery of it. 

You're right about the other fighters and this season has some good ones too.  I don't like his attitude but that Vinny guy is dangerous with the Jitz.

On a side note;  Who here is tired of Cornheiser and Wilbon dissing MMA?  If they don't like it they shouldn't talk about it and Wilbon just goes on and on about how horrible and bloody it is and doesn't ever talk about any of the good points or true competition in the sport. He always tries to hype up and praise boxing which we all know is going downhill.  Once dudes in their 50 and 60s stop watching boxing MMA will be the more popular fight sport by far.  I love PTI but whenever they talk about MMA it just pisses me off.

So..who's ready for Rocky vs. Thunderlips 2 on Saturday?!


Just praying Mr. WWE doesn't come out dressed like this for the fight!   :-X

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I can't wait for tomorrow.  Brock is going to show why he belongs and Couture's going to get handled.  Just because Brock pro-wrestled for 4 years means he is some kind of poser huh?   He is going to knock Couture out in the second round.  Oh, and go back and look at Randy's career, he got a title match in basically the same postition as Lesnar is now.  When Brock wins tomorrow night are you going to give him credit or say he beat a champ that is old and past his prime?

Either way this fight is good for the sport and watching MMA is my favorite thing to do. 

Anyone see the fight card for next month's PPV.  Griffin/Evans, Big Nog/Mir, Wandy/Rampage, and 2 or 3 other really good fights.  Might be the best show of the year. 

Fixed it for you.  I don't really see how this fight is "good for the sport."  It's a newcomer against a champion, and a huge draw.  Randy has his work cut out for him; historically, he has had trouble with the big guys (Barnett, Rodriguez).  He's definitely going to have a plan, though.  I think it will be a good fight.

No I think it is good for the sport and the UFC's bottom line.  They talked about this on Sports Center yesterday and it is on ESPN.COM.  Lately the only coverage of MMA has been Elite XC and Kimbo Slice and how Kimbo is a street fighter and a thug. Now they are talking about this fight and how both of these guys are great amature wrestlers.  I think it is going to be a good fight too.  Randy got a titile shot with just 4 fights under his belt when he came into the UFC so this is not that much different.  Lesnar whether you like him or not is going to be at least the face of the heavy weight division and probably for the company as a whole. 

I think (and by no means am I an expert) the Randy is going to want to keep it standing early because he knows what Lesnar's strengths are; wrestling and ground and pound.  Lets face it Randy does have some submissions but he is no expert in jitz and I would say that Lesnar can probably break most holds he gets put in by Randy by sheer strength.  We haven't seen much of Lesnar's stand-up but he knocked both Mir and Herring down with just simple jabs.  If it comes to them trading punches you have to give Randy the advantage becuase he is the more accomplished striker but I believe it is going to be hard (and this is just speculation since we haven't seen Lesnar get hit much) to knock Lesnar out since his neck muscles are about as thick as my thighs.  If they stand there and bang Lesnar is going to knock Randy out or knock him down and gNp until the ref calls it simply because he hits so hard. 

Then again I could be wrong because Randy keeps getting into these big matches and wins them easily.  I wouldn't bet against Randy anytime.

Have you ever walked into a solid, stiff jab?  It's not fun.  Neck muscle size has absolutely nothing to do with how easy someone is to knock out.  You get hit on the "button", you're going out; plain and simple.  It's about the jaw, not the neck.

Don't forget Randy started his fighting career as a wrestler. So for that reason Brock isn't a poser. But if he were to win, I don't think it's because he's a talented MMA fighter. You can't wrestle someone to death. Brock is more of a circus act at this point. I am a Couture fan, and I don't mind seeing him lose to someone like Liddel, but not Brock. Now Brock fighting Kimbo on some internet site is more fitting.

Totally agree. 

t-5:30 until UFC 92. add 2 hours to that for the Couture fight.....

ok someone tell me when its proper to talk about it... its already up on youtube.


That was one good fight.

Several good fights, actually.

It's tough watching a personal hero go down. Can't say I saw the fight going any differently though. Lesnar would've been a tough nut to crack for Couture's skill set. But for a little bit, it looked like he might've pulled out a miracle. Still, I can't see Lesnar getting by some of the big jiu jitsu experts like Nog, Mir and Gonzaga. All of which I could see Couture beating.

Still, congratulations to Lesnar. He made a good fight and wasn't a total tool after he won. I respect him but will never root for him. His interview on ESPN pretty much cemented that.

+1 




Yes, A LOT of good fights!!  I wouldn't say that main even compared to a few of em!  Speaking of which..did you see that uppercut?!   :o

I agree with the first part, but I'm still not ready to give Lesnar credit for anything yet.

Is that because you think hes a Douche bag or is it because the fight was pretty much against all odds. I dont think he deserves the title. hes too new to even have deserved a title shot. We all knew Couture got there because of his skill and Lesnar is still refining his.

Im with the rest you guys, i dont give him credit for this.

Aside from that, Randy Couture held his own. He held it VERY nicely. After the fight Lesnar said he was just feeling out Couture. And in all honesty, i think Lesnar had absolutely no way to defend against a smart fighter like couture. it was all about power for lesnar. Make the distance, land the punches, drop him and go for it. thats how hes been in all his fight. Includng the fight with Mir. The only difference was Mir was much larger and didnt have to fight the weight of lesnar.

if there is a rematch soon with Lesnar and Mir, I expect the same thing from lesnar. Ground and pound, and no defense against smart fighters.

I think you guys are absolutely wrong about this one.  Lesnar dominated Couture for pretty much the whole fight.  Sure Randy got away from him a couple of times but that is Randy's strength.  Lesnar's positioning and movements on the ground and in the clinch were much better and his stand up was exponentially better.  He took a few of Randy's best shots and they didn't even seem to phase him as he kept pressing.  How can you say he had no way to defend against a smart fighter as Couture.  Most of the shots Randy took were counters and he imposed his will on the take downs  anytime he wanted.  Once again Randy got a title fight way early in his career and now everyone loves him.  Lesnar's only challenge now is beating Big Nog because he is going to destroy Mir.  Sure Nog will probably win a fight against Lesnar but he does keep getting much better and like Randy said he does it all by himself since he doesn't train at a normal gym. This guy is the future of this division and will probably be unstopable in the next couple of years.  It's fine that you are giving him credit because he still has the belt and just beat one of the best heavyweights of all time easily. 

The ppv was very surprising though.  Lots of great fights and mostly finishes.  That upper cut was brutal.

They only thing the Couture/Lesnar match showed to me is the need for a better break down on the weight classes the the 60 lbs range between light heavy and the heavy weight is just to large... Randy (a light heavy fighter IMO) stood no chance against a guy the size of lesnar (a big heavy weight), I just hope Couture drops down to the light heavy weight class again because he is a hugely talented fighter that has a lot left to show I hope does not hang up gloves just yet.

I do hope they put a good big heavy weight against Lesnar next someone has the size to hand his ass to him on a plate. If they put someone with some like Nogueira he won't have the same outcome i was not impressed with Lesnars perfomance from a technical standpoint, he is just a big Mother F*#%er who needs to get his ass kicked...

I agree with this assessment. 

oregunduc - Randy would have trouble in today's LHW Division; besides, his golden pupil (Forrest) is the current champ.

And Foreman had Ali back in the day. Ali still won.

Lesnar has been in 4 fights. only one of which had some endurance in it which was the herring fight. Look at the way he fights. He dishes it out, and the guys out of gas by round 3. Mir had no chance against the god given body of Lesnar, but he was smarter fighter. Lesnar made a fatal mistake of believing his brute strength could win him the fight. and BAM. lost his leg.


The dude was ontop of him the whole time. Skill? no. Size? yes. his clinch was much better? no. He couldnt get into a favorable spot. He was just hammer fisting whatever piece of Coutures body he could find.

  How can you give Lesnar much credit for defeating Couture? Should I give an adult credit for beating up kid? That's the whole problem. Everyone knew Lesnar was going to beat couture. It was very hard to see it any other way. You cant block a fist that big without hurting yourself. The smallest mistake on your end would put you down. Lesnars standing fight is much better, but again, no one can go pound for pound and stand up to someone that beastly.

Yes, randy got his belt early as well. But he worked at it. Same way Lesnar has to. The difference here is, Randy Couture earned every bit of his belt from knocking down skilled opponents that were on his level or higher. Lesnar getting his belt from someone like Couture doesnt make it that much of a big deal. If fighters like Jackson or Liddell held lightweight belts, would you give them credit for it?

Eitherway, Lesnar has a long road to walk. Ill give him credit for training hard and working hard and theres no doubt hes working hard for this. But as for the belt, it only means one thing to me. Its back in the weight class it belongs in. Randy shouldnt have had it, but he did, which is why everyone likes him.

Maybe Mike Tyson back in the day could beat lesnar or roy jones jr. But i dont see many MMA guys his size. correction, i dont see any.

If I have to watch one more cliche Brock Lesnar fight I'm gonna puke. His fights are incredibly lame and predictable. Observe my breakdown of a Lesnar fight:

Phase 1: Show up to fight.
Phase 2: ? ? ? ?
Phase 3: Profit.

OK, but seriously; a Lesnar fight really consists of two things. First he lands a random hard punch that drops his opponent. Second, and most annoying, he starts his trademark rapid hammerfisting. And then the fight is over. I'm not saying his hammerfisting wouldn't beat the living shit out of my pretty face, but come on. It looks like a desperate attempt to end the fight. "Look ref, look how many times I am hitting him in succession. Maybe you should call the fight before someone starts to bleed!" It's quite pathetic looking. Give me something to look at. Instead of going right to side control and hammerfist, show me a full mount and beat on someone, in slow-mo.

I'm not doubting his power, I just think the skill is lacking and his fights are boring, even when he loses. And I want to see him mix it up a little before I start giving him any credit. Can we ban the hammerfist for his next fight?

HeMan..I was going to mention something similar to your "beating a kid" remark.  I was reminded of the Seinfeld episode of Kramer beating the kid's asses in karate.   [laugh]

Metal..I agree that Lesnar was moving Couture around like a sack of dung and taking him down when he wanted but to say that he didn't seem phased after those punches to the face?!  I think I saw a few tears from Lesnar after he got bloodied up.  ;) 

As for Mir, he beat Lesnar the first time.  When the second fight comes, he'll have the experience from the first fight and know exactly what to expect next time.  Mir will beat him again. 

Lesnar has his size/weight and the weight behind his punches.  Other than that..the wrestling experience.  Didn't his size/weight come into play there as well?    ???
   
Yes Hank..WTH is up with those sorry-azz hammer fists?!  [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]

lesnar definitly did not deserve a title fight. he is far too new, he hasnt done anything to prove he has any skill in my eyes.  yes he won, but look at the guy. if he lands one hit, its downhill from there. he was simply too large of a guy for couture to handle, even with all of coutures skill. the results of this fight should never make anyone doubt randy's absolute dominace of the heavyweight class.

can someone make a GIF of those hammer fists? it would be so freking funny.

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I think it is funny that you guys keep bringing up the hammer fists and that Randy wasn't phased.  He was clearly knocked out and couldn't even stand the fist few times he tried to get up.  Oh, and Randy never complained for a second that he wasn't out.  Doesn't that account for something?

Where is the quote saying that Randy wasn't phased?

The punch that got him in the back of the head was the shot that got him.

Whoops read your post incorrectly.  I'm sure Lesnar was a little hurt by the Randy's punches but they didn't seem to bother him to much.  The cut did seem to bother him though.  If he cuts that easily that will become a problem.

Uh, dude, Randy stuffed most of Brock's TD attempts.

True.  Not taking ANYTHING away from Randy.  Of course, I was routing for him the whole time!  I was saying that there were a few times when Randy had Lesanr up against the ropes and Lesnar moved him away easily.   

good, quick fights on TUF tonight.

especially liked the second!!   ;D ;D

I thought the semis were very good fights also.  Except for the Bader fight.  I don't mind seeing fights go to the ground when the two are actually doing something but the UFC doesn't need another lay and pray guy like Sean Shirk.  Vinny will probably beat Bader anyways.  I see Phillipe winning also that guy is pretty damn good.  He could make an immediate impact.

On a side note.  I think that Mir/Nog are two of the best coaches I've seen on the show.  Especially Nog,  I would love to have him as a coach.  Very positive and really seems to care about the fighters. He just seems like an all around nice guy.  Poor Mir got stuck with Junie and handled him pretty well.  If Junie would have just listened to Mir and threw 3 punches he would have knocked the other guy out.  I hope he can work out his problems because he seems to have a lot of natural talent.

This month should be a great month for fights.  The Ulitmate Finally should be good and the PPV at the end of the month is just stellar.

Anyone watching the Fight for the Troops special tonight??

D*mn..what a knockout!!  :o   Thank you for not going in and punching the guy more!!  I hate when fighters do that..when they clearly know the guy is out!!

Anyway, the cause (troops suffering from TBI) is the reason I'm getting back into the medical aspect of my field.   :)

 

Damnit IZ you always beat me to it.  That was one hell of a knock out.   The whole show was actually pretty good.   The one fight that ended in an arm bar was good and the guy (can't think of his name) seemed to be a really good fighter but when he said that he had been waiting to break someone's arm like that, I cringed.  No fighter should want to actually break another's bones.  Anyways a really great fight and I loved what Koshcheck said "If that is not worth 5 dollars then I don't what else I can do."  Well it certainly was worth 5 dollars and I donated it right after that fight.  All in all I was pleasantly surprised with the show and love these ones because you get to see a lot of young guys or guys new to the UFC.

+1. Plays into a lot of stereotypes people who hate MMA have about the sport.
Was a great night of fights though.

It's not over until the ref stops it.  Guys have gotten caught after they stop, thinking the guy is out (Pete Sell, anyone?).  I've also seen Wanderlei feign injury/semi-consciousness, only to draw a guy in.  It's a fight, Adam; you go until it's done.  The ref is the one who says it's done.  Besides, in the heat of the fight, it's not always clear to the fighter if someone is out (from talking to fighters).

I couldn't watch the replay. Still cringe thinking about it. Great set of fights.

Link anyone?

The Koscheck fight.  He is getting a lot better with the standup as his fights progress.  This fight proved it! 

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=eventDetail.FightCard&eid=1808 (http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=eventDetail.FightCard&eid=1808)

TUF finale tonight. 

Just finished the first fight and so far..looks like it's going to be a good night!!   [thumbsup]




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Just waiting to see who won the last fight!!  What a night!! 

Didn't realize Efren trained in Tucson and wrestled for my old cc.   [thumbsup]

TUF Finale was decent.  Glad to see Bader do something other than lay and pray.  Surprised Nover lost. 

Really I was really happy for Junie Brownie.  I really like the way he fights and hopefully he keeps training with Extreme Couture and continues to get better.  Obviously the house and show were really getting to him even if he says he was just doing it for the camera.  Reminds me a lot of Leben who is one of my favorite fighters. 

I liked Junie a little more after the fight too.  He apologized to Mir too after the fight for his behavior on the show..that showed some class!  I'd like to see a rematch between him and Efrain   

A rematch would be great [thumbsup].  I think if Junie would have pushed that fight a little more (and threw 3 punches when Mir told him to) he would have knocked Efrain out.

Can't wait to see what some of these guys do next.

Also can't wait for the 27th.  That is going to be one huge PPV ;D

+1 on the PPV. I taped the finale, and will most likely see it later today, but my brother was really impressed with Junie

Fight night!!

Who you got?!

Me..Griffin, Silva and Nogueira. 

I'd like to see Evans win since he's MSU alumni and undefeated but Griffin should take him.

Should all be good though!!

Is there anymore word on Justin Eilers death?

None of the above. I always thought that Evans was not respected. I was hoping Nogueira would win, but I guess we can't win them all. Great fights all around. They truly saved the best night for last.

oh sh*t!!  Really?!  We didn't go see the fights since I put myself back of commission this afternoon.   [roll]  Fell asleep with the muscle relaxers before the fights started so didn't order them at home either.

I like all these fighters and it was hard to choose.  I'm not disappointed by any of the results though.  Well, maybe a bit cuz I wanted Nog to beat Mir and then get a shot at beating Lesnar too. 

So, did Silva get KO'ed this time??

Good for Rashad!!  [clap]

Hell yeah Silva got knocked the f out. Great fight!

Nog lost, but I didn't have a favorite. Great fight!

Griffin got tko'd. I'm happy for Evans as well, I didn't think griffin was worthy of the belt. Also a great fight!

Ahhhh..where are the links?!

Jackson fought at a measured pace and let Silva stalk him for the first two minutes of the first round. Silva tried a three-punch flurry and Jackson countered with a thundering left hook that blasted Silva on the chin. "The Axe Murderer" was out before he hit the floor. When he did, his arms went straight back like he was making a snow angel.   [laugh]
-YAHOO.com

I have to see this!

evans is also a dbag for telling griffin to kiss his balls in the middle of the match. i got into an arguement with my Muay Thai instructor since he said, booing is the lowest form of sportsmanship ever.

at the same time, dissing your opponent mid fight is my personal low. its a pro match. no need to pull stupid shit like that. Expect to get booed if you pull that shit off.

Of all the fights, i dont mind losing any of them, but to see evans now 18-0-1 i want to see him loose. he doesnt deserve the title. I dont think griffin did either. rampage defintely deserves it out of the last 3 hands. The last title match against forrest, rampage barely put up a significant fight. he looks alot better now.

WTH?! I have to see this. 

in the middle of the fight while griffin was throwing a few combos at him, evans backs away  and kisses his hand and grabs his nut sack then smiles.

I forgot about that crotch grab. Not cool, but I ain't mad.


I did like when griffin said he wasn't tapping he was flailing.

We learned a lot with the outcome of the Mir/Noguiera fight. Mir was able to show he's still relevant. We've learned Noguiera doesn't have the chin he used to. If he was knocked down 3x by Mir, I don't think he could last a 5 rounder with Brock.

I'm sad for Silva, but not surprised at the outcome. On paper, Rampage is the better fighter. I just wish Silva was able to put on a better showing. But I guess his huge loopy punches are going to cost him against more technical fighters.

I feel the same way about Griffin. Rashad was going to be a tough fight since he's so quick. I thought it was going to end a lot faster for Griffin or by a spectacular knockout. But Griffin impressed me a lot with how he handled it  and I thought he was going to cruise to a 5 round decision.

I'll put it this way. I'm not surprised by the outcomes, but I'm not a huge fan of Rampage or Rashad. I hate the nipple tweaking, taunting, insane car chases, mental breakdowns etc.

http://www.cagepotato.com/ (http://www.cagepotato.com/)

It's on the front page just scroll down a little bit.  It's a gif or whatever you call those things.

Typical.  [roll]

What I find really surprising is how poorly former Pride fighters are doing in the UFC.  Pride was always a dodgy outfit that put on its fair share of works and freakshow boughts, but I never imagined that the habit included their super stars.  At this point, I'm questioning Fedor's abilities until he decides to fight in the States for a reputable organization (which, it seems, he's doing everything in his power not to do, including making absolutely laughable demands for such a fight).  At this point, the only Pride fighter who's done well in the UFC has been Rampage, who often complained about Pride's questionable policies while he was with them.

Despite his record, I haven't respected Evans.  Sure he knocked out Lidel, but Chuck's on the downward side of his career at this point.  Griffin isn't a talented fighter, but he is huge for a 205er, and so is heart.  Rashad showed that not only is he talented, but strong and durable.  I can't wait for an Evans/Jackson fight. 

And Mir's stand-up was amazing.  Who knew?  He looked soft, but he kept up a great pace and had the best hands I've seen in that weight class. Most heavies throw 1s or 2s; Mir was throwing three punch combos and finishing them with front leg kicks to the head!  Technically sound boxing. 

As for Lessnar beating Nog, I sincerely doubt it.  Lessnar is a phenomenal athlete and an absolute freak physically (anyone notice his crazy, cave-man like brow-ridge?  That's a tell-tail sign of HGH use), but his Jits is amateur, and any decent purple belt or better will catch him.  Unless Dana really takes care of him and feeds him strikers only, he'll never hold the belt for very long.

Thanks for the link

What you also failed to mention was that after Rashad grab his nuts, he punch Griffin. Caught him looking. Anyway, I'm sure Dana would have fed Brock as many strikers as possible until his bjj was up to par, but he won't be able to do that anymore. Mir will unify the title as long as he doesn't do something stupid, like stand right in front of Brock's right hand.

Wow what an amazing PPV.   Not a single fight went to decision.  I wanted Silva, Nog, and Griffin to win but wasn't dissapointed with any of the fights.   Silva really did get knocked the f-out.  


So here is where we are at;  Mir gets on the cage and tells Brock he wants the belt back.  Before this Brock tells Rogan and Goldberg that he wants Mir to win because he is due an asswhoopin.  I just bought tickets for the March 7th show in Columbus.  We are praying that this fight goes down then.  I understand that I am the only Lesnar fan on here but if I was Mir I would not want a pissed off Lesnar coming for me.  The calls in their first fight were very questionable (especially the 2 standups) and Lesnar came damn close to beating Mir.  Now Lesnar's standup is exponentionally better.  To me Mir is going to come out and try to strike with Lesnar and is going to get knocked the f out.  Maybe after Lesnar beats Mir who just knocked out Nog for the first time in his career Lesnar will get some respect.  Oh yeah I'm pretty sure every fighter is tested for roids.  One last thing, did you see the Couture fight?  Lesnar manhandled him easily and Coture is one of the best wrestlers in MMA.

So when Lesnar beats Mir and is the undisputed champ will you respect him or just make another excuse for why he doesn't deserve to be in MMA?

He has to beat him first. Lesnar already lost to Mir and at the time Mir didn't look half as good as he did against Nog last night.

The only skill Lesnar has is being big. That's why he doesn't get any respect.

Lesnar sucks almost as much as the Buckeyes. But I digress. Lesnar is a wrestler and will feel more comfortable with the ground and pound game. I will agree that he looked better against Couture, but he's also 100 years old and that was his first fight since returning to the UFC. Mir is an extremely intelligent fighter so I doubt he'll stand in front of Lesnar. He'll move around and make Lesnar take him down. Once there, he'll need to survive the barrage of hammer fists hoping to get into a decent position to pull of a submission. But he'll need to survive first.

HGH isn't "roids" - its far harder to catch.  However, steroids are very easy to hide.  The half-life of most is very short, so you simply cycle off  a month before you're going to get tested.  Lesnar claims that, during the summer before he began his college wrestling career, he put on 40 lbs. of muscle.  That is virtually impossible to do clean.  The guy is no stranger to the syringe. 

But that's all moot.   He's a freak-show with name recognition who beat an old man who weighed 40-50 lbs less than him and who wasn't known for his submissions.  Lesnar has no jits to speak of and will be schooled by Mir again.  Gonzaga would also beat him, as would Nog - basically anyone with a real purple belt or better would catch him.  He doesn't have the time to go develop a world-class submissions game.  Due to his draw, White will feed him kicking-can strikers to keep him in the UFC.  After his loss, I expect him to get paired up with Tim Sylvia (who could beat him) or Checky Kongo (who probably couldn't beat him).  Might as well let him fight Bob Sapp or Kimbo and make a real Japanese-style freak-show of it.  While Dana's at it, he could go dig up Giant Sylva and let him have a crack at Lesnar as well. 

 [popcorn]

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/other_sports/ultimate_fighting/view/2008_12_29_UFC_fighter_Justin_Eilers_found_shot_dead_on_Christmas/ (http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/other_sports/ultimate_fighting/view/2008_12_29_UFC_fighter_Justin_Eilers_found_shot_dead_on_Christmas/)

Got that, hence the question, anymore news.

Pretty hard for Lesnar to fight Tim Sylvia since Dana kicked him out of the UFC.  I'm guessing  Kongo will fight Nog next and the winner of that fight will get a chance at Mir/Lesnar.  I love the fact that everyone just writes Lesnar off as a freak.  First off he was a 4 time NCAA champ pretty hard to do without any athletic ability.  This is just the same shit everyone was talking before the Couture fight.  Once he beat Couture everyone just gave all the discredit to Randy and no credit to Lesnar.  I'm sure the Lesnar has done steroids or HGH or whatever but not wanting to and wanting to be in a real sport is why he left a lucrative career in the WWE.  Its fine with me if you don't like him or the Buckeyes but I have never once attacked a fighter or any other team.  I thought this thread was to discuss opinions on MMA and not attack people. 

Anyways we don't even know when this fight is going to take place.  I am now looking forward to the Penn/St. Pierre fight.  That one is going to be a war.  Also wondering what is going to happen to Wanderlie.  Dana might get rid of him because of his record.  I really don't see a rematch with Rampage coming anytime soon because Rampage will be fighting for the belt.   I do agree about the fighters from Pride sucking it up.  I think a lot of that has to do with the fact that you can do steroids in Japan and also the fights and refs are set up to help popular fighters win and continue to win.
Edit:  Sorry if I am taking something said to0 serious.   I really like this thread and love to talk MMA.    I've just had a bad couple of weeks topped off with my Grandpa passing away Satruday and losing my job in 3 weeks. 



 

 :-\  Not good.  Sorry to hear that.

No big deal.  My grandma died on my birthday in September and we knew he wouldn't make it much longer.  He has been really sick and in Hospice for the the last month so I was ready for it.  I had a Miller High Life during the PPV for him (his brand not mine).   Still worried about the job though.  Luckily I get a severance package and a retention bonus so I'll be alright for a while. 

You're not ruffling my feathers - we're just talking MMA.  Sorry about the last couple of weeks; this time of year can be hard. 

Lesnar IS a tremendous athlete - there's no question about that.  I just think he's too late to the game to develop into a world class fighter.  If he had made the transition 5 years ago, it'd be a different story.  He'll still knock a lot of guys out, but he's always going to have trouble with submission guys.  I'd love to see him and Fedor fight, but unfortunately it appears that Fedor is afraid to fight in straight organization.   

The only issue i have with lesnar is that he only had a couple of fights then a title shot. Given how unpredictable this sport is there should be a minimum number of fights before a title shot, or some sort of ranking to fight for the title. You get enough no name fighters and some one will get lucky punch or submission. But i guess lasner had a better agent.

Stoked for the big fight coming up!!   [evil]

BTW..Dana White in a white Ducati jacket on UFC Primetime!!  [thumbsup]

31st!! On paper, this should be the fight of the year, if not the past few years.

Damn you beat me too it.  My gf just bought me that jacket on Friday.  If you have a Puma store nearby almost all of the Ducati gear is 50% off including boots.

I can't wait for this fight.  I also can't decide if BJ taking a couple of days of bothers me or not.  I can see his side and how you could get burned out but if he comes out flat or too cocky GSP will destroy him.  I do think he has a point when he says GSP gives up though.

With GSP you have to come out very aggressive. You can't give him a chance to pick you apart, but he has the skillz to destroy you with your own game. Although they have fought each other earlier in their career, neither of them has fought someone as well rounded. They both have killer stand up, with GSP having better wrestling and BJ better BJJ. I would not want to pick a winner of this one.

I thought the last ufc on dec 27th was one of the best I've seen in years. I'm not too sure if this next one will beat. But what will make it good for me is that I will be there to see it live. Neah neah :P

The last UFC was definitely the best in years. The next one is in London and I'm not wasting my time on it. I was going to go live to the one when Rashad koed Chuck in Atlanta, but the company did not have enough tickets for the box.

When I said I'd be at the next one I meant ufc 94 in vegas, on jan 31. The ones in others stinky countries don't count.

You suck.  I have tickets to 96 in Columbus and the card is horrible.  Hopefully Chuck gets knocked out again and retires. 

So who's ready for the GSP/Penn fight tomorrow?  I honestly can't pick who I want to win and who I think will win.  I've really liked the 3 lead up shows on Spike and we got to see a little bit of each fighter.  I guess I am hoping that BJ wins so we get to see a rubber match.

I am also really excited for the Machida/Silva fight.  I think this one could be just as good as the main event.  Hopefully Machida pushes it a little more than he did against Tito.

By the way did anyone catch the Affliction PPV?  There were a couple of good fights but all in all the fighters and production where no where near as good as the UFC.  On a pre-fight screen showing the weight, nationality and all that jazz one guy's fighting style actually said "Hood".  Come on "Hood"? What the make the beast with two backs is that? By the way he got submitted. Tito also sucked as a color commentator.   One really brutal knock out and Fedor showed that he needs to be in the UFC to fight some better fighters.  Orlovsky was pushing the fight and probably winning the round until Fedor hit him with a right cross that did not look like it could have knock-out potential.   I guess he hits harder than I thought.  I would love to see him agianst the new Frank Mir or even Lesnar in a year or so.

I know there going to be good fights, but I'm going to be a little bitter watching, knowing I could have been there live.

I share pretty much all the same thoughts as you. I really don't have any favorites in any of the fights.

I watched the fedor fight on the webernet. I like both fighters and Andrei was doing good. I'm not sure sure if that wasn't just a fluke shot. Again I watched on the internet so it wasn't very clear.

We thought it might have been a lucky shot too but we watched the replay a few times and it really was a nice counter right cross and caught him right on the button.   Looked like he was waiting for the flying knee.

Well, you actually beat me on a post M?!   ;)

I like the shows they've been doing too.  Like the HBO series they do before boxing.   [thumbsup]

OK..it's a tough choice but I'm leaning towards GSP on this one.  Can't really say why..     

Now who's the quitter?! 

Wow! 3 good fights there!!   [thumbsup]


Guida..SO excited to see the result of this one!! 

Machida..some hard fists there!  I was actually leaning towards Tiago on that one but not disappointed!!

GSP.."take down, side mount, full mount".. ..REPEAT! 

 [clap] [clap] [clap]

Wow, kind of a disapointing PPV.  I can't believe GSP dominated Penn like that.  I do think that is better for the UFC though.  Penn having both belts would have really complicated things.

Machida is the real deal.  I see him fighting Forest next and then getting a title shot after Rampage blows through Jardine(don't understand this fight he should get a shot at Rashad next). 

*sigh* let the GSP bashing begin...

not here, guys. I mean at home.


I am glad I didn't go to a bar to watch... being surrounded by hundreds of drunk-ass local, macho, MMA fans upset because hawaii got beat by a haole  [roll]

I'd have been lynched  ;D

I like Penn and GSP equally.  I just think that Penn is way to cocky and doesn't want to put the work into to back it up.  I do think with that dominate win last night that GSP is the second best pound-for-pound fighter behind Anderson Silva.  Fedor comes in at a close third but I still would like to see him fight Mir or Lesnar. GSP just keeps getting better and better. 

+1 

Natural talent will take you so far.

I think it goes beyond that, really.  BJ is insane at 155, but at 170 he struggles.  170 is not a good weight for him, whereas at 155 he is quick, dominating, and incredibly skilled.  It's not uncommon.

Machida (14-0) should have a title shot NOW, then he can fight Forrest in a title defense.

+1

never going to take away anything from his lightweight stuff.. he is McBeastly... but his attitude is def something that makes me want to not root for him.

but hey, he's a hilo boy, what else can I say?

as far as the local press playing him up to be a role model in HI? please.   [roll]

Agreed.

Well, I don't know if it's old news, but opinions on Penn's allegations of illegal use of Vaseline on GSP's back?
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/josh_gross/02/02/penn-st-pierre-post-fight/1.html (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/josh_gross/02/02/penn-st-pierre-post-fight/1.html)

I saw that^^^^, and I'm not surprised.  I thought it was odd that so early in the fight BJ's legs were just sliding right off Georges's back.

There is a great article on Sherdog about the fight.  I think it was spot-on.

Oh man..Josh..what happened?!

I was just saying I'm starting to like him as a fighter and that happened.


Maia..what an awesome take down.  Great technical BBJ fighter!

Waiting for Sanchez   

I know Sanchez, he used to come into a club I worked at.... he's a twat-waffle. I was sooooo hoping Stevenson would KO him. Gawd, his pre-fight antics were retarded.

Oh..he's just "eccentric". 


I believe that was the term they kept throwing out there.   [roll]

I don't really care for either one of them that much but I was happy with the outcome.

Surprised that Govea (sp?) lost.  His opponent came with a flurry to end that one!   [laugh]   

And, as a reward, gets to get his ass handed to him by Silva again  :-\
I saw nothing there that led me to believe Marquardt could beat The Spider, and I really wish someone would.

Why do you want to see Silva lose?  He is one of my favorite fighters.  Respectful, passionate, and one of the best fighters on the planet.  Its not his fault no one can beat him.  Henderson and Franklin can beat just about anyone in that weight class but can't even touch Silva he just too good.

Really good for a free show though.  Way more entertaining than the last PPV.  Now I can't wait for the 7th when I get to go watch Rampage beatdown Jardine. [evil]

I don't dislike Silva, I just think it's boring when no one can realistically challenge him - just as MotoGP will be boring this year if Stoner can't ride  ;D

Anybody else disappointed/bored with the Sanchez/Stevenson fight?  Joe didn't do much (looked flat), and Sanchez didn't really do any damage.  He won on points, and he controlled the pace.  That was about it.

+1. Found myself yelling at Stevenson on tv,"quit make the beast with two backsing grinning and fight!"

I don't like either of those two d-bags, but I hate Sanchez with a passion. So I was hoping for Joe to win, but he didn't do shit. Then was happy at the end like he pulled it off and did a great job.

The rest of the fights were actually pretty good though. I love seeing Koscheck lose, he's another d-bag I can't stand.

No kidding.  In a post-fight interview, I got the impression that Stevenson was going for the decision win, as he lamented that letting it go to the judges was a bad idea.  Yeah, dude, it's ALWAYS a bad idea.  Especially, when you are getting out-paced and you sit on the outside most of the fight.  I kept yelling at either one of them to get in the damn pocket and throw more than one- or two-punch combinations.

Sounds like I should delete the whole thing from my DVR.

A free UFC event is always worth watching. Plus you have it recorded so you can fast forward through all the bs.

It was actually a good show.  To my recolection the main event was the only fight to go the distance.

I was actually a better card then most PPV's. The only fight that really sucked was the main event.

The couple fights I did watch, were pretty good.  Watching Koscheck get knocked out was a good time.

Well I'm starting to get excited about seeing Rampage knock out Jardine in person.   The last show I went to was awesome and for some reason there were large empty areas of seats so we moved down to like 15 rows up and got to meet Leben who was sitting in the crowd after his match. 

From Sherdog's pros pics:


I laffed.

The undercard on this one is pretty thin.  I'm probably gonna pass on ordering unless one of my buddies decides they want to split the cost.

I'm almost more excited about the Carwin/Gonzaga fight, than I am the Rampage/Jardine fight.

Is Rampage a really heavy favorite? My gut feeling was that he would win, but Jardine can pull some surprise victories out of his ass sometimes.

I'm sure he is the favorite but I don't know the odds. After seeing how focused he was against Silva I think that the Wolfslair is the best place for him.  It easy to see that his conditioning is much better.   I think he wins this one easily.

I was actually really happy with this show.  While the first fight (not televised) was called waaaaaaaayyyy to early and Matt Brown's fight was called waaaaayyyyy to late ( The dude was out on his feet for a minute and a half while Matt Brown was just wailing on him and then looking up to the ref for him to stop it) the rest of the fights were awesome.  Matt Hamill keeps getting more impresive.  The dude he was fighting had no idea the high kick was coming and was knocked out cold.  The crowd went nuts for Hamill ( he came out to Hang on Sloopy and wore a shirt made to look like a Buckeyes jersey) and he really delivered.  Dana's going to have to give him Bisbing again because that fight was bunk.   We were really surprised at Jackson.  Jardine had a good game plan and was dancing in and out but Rampage had him hurt seven or eight times and never finished. Just expected more out of him.

 [clap] To hamill, that guy gets better and better, i think i was too drunk to realize that gonzaga fight was on. I did watch Jardine and Jackson though and boy can jardine take a hit, if he  had better training, he could take on jackson easily, that dude has an IRON jaw.

Considering the Gonzaga fight lasted all of 45 seconds you didn't miss much.  The exchanged for a little and then Carwin caught him with a left cross that dropped him instantly.

Carwin looked really good.  He is the guy that the UFC is grooming to take on Lesnar after he beats down Mir.  Sucks this fight is not happening in May because Mir got hurt.

Well Metal, since you wen to the fight..I thought I'd give you a chance to comment first on the fight.   ;)

I haven't even looked at the results.  So Gonzaga got knocked out?!  I don't really care for him too much so that cracks me up!   [laugh]

Looks like I'll have to tune into the web for clips.  Sounds like there was still some good action.   

If I were you I would check out the Hamill, Matt Brown, and Gonzaga fights.  The Rampage/Jardine fight really wasn't great.  Rashad did get in the ring and jaw a little with Rampage after his fight so I would check that out too.

thanks!  [thumbsup]

Are you kidding?  That was a great fight, both as a stylistic matchup and as a technical bout.

The Brandon Vera fight was awesome!  Low kicks for the win.

I didn't think either of those fights were good.

Both Vera and Jackson could have pushed and knocked out their opponents and didn't


Do you really like to see a fight stopped because of leg kicks?  Brandon Vera has fallen a long way.

In an effort to educate you, let's break them down:

Jackson v. Jardine:  Jackson hit Keith with everything he had, and Jardine took it.  I was amazed.  Jardine also has a very, very unorthodox style, which makes him hard to time; he also uses a lot of good footwork and angles.  For Jackson's straight forward, stalking style, this can be a problem.  Quinton also had to respect Jardine's low kicks (remember Jackson/Griffin).  In the post-fight, Jackson admitted that his original gameplan went out the window in the first round (his original gameplan being "rush him, pressure him").  I thought his backup gameplan was an excellent one:  work for the counter and pick your shots, while trying to keep Keith guessing.  While he didn't get the knockout, it was not for lack of trying; Jardine ate some hard shots and kept coming.  Jardine, also, is a hard puncher, and his punches seem to come out of nowhere and at odd angles; this makes him difficult to anticipate and counter. 

Vera v. Patt:  Vera's stock has been low, of late, due to some unexciting fights.  He needed a solid win and, wisely, he returned to the basics (Muay Thai) in training for this fight.  This fight was reminiscent of the Brandon Vera who beat former HW Champion Frank Mir.  Vera is a good striker and, with a height advantage, it was in his best interest to keep the fight standing.  Everything Mike Patt tried, Vera countered with solid Muay Thai.  Vera put on an exciting MT clinic and got the win.  Do I like to see fights ended by "leg kicks"?  Yep.  Why?  Because that usually means that the winner has exposed a hole in his opponent's game and has executed his gameplan perfectly.  Pat Barry finished his last guy with low kicks (I think), as has Antoni Hardonk in the past.  Have you ever been on the receiving end of a good solid low kick?  Take a few, and you'll understand how fights can end this way.  A TKO is a TKO, in my book.

Maybe you are one of those "fans" who just want to see knockouts, I don't know, but the fight game is multi-faceted and multi-dimensional.  It gets a lot more exciting when you can see it all put to use.  Better yet, start training and you'll gain an even greater respect for what ends fights.

Nice post Sinister. Keep in mind MM is a Lesnar fan and that will make his posts a bit clearer.  [laugh]

Gotcha.  Hahahaha  [laugh]

Wow Sinister you got pretty nasty quick there.  Does one have to train in MMA to know anything about it?  No, I've never received a leg kick and no I'm not one a fan of only knockouts.  I would love to train in MMA but with working full-time and going to school full-time I have no extra time to spare.

I also was at the show so I didn't necesarrily get to see all the angles of the fights.  From what I saw Rampage was not hitting him with all he had or when he was Jardine was getting rocked and he just wasn't pushing it.  Maybe that was due to where I was sitting (way up top and I try not to watch the screens when I paid 80 bucks for the tickets) and the fact that you don't get to here any commentary.  I have a friend that ordered the PPV so I am going to try and check it out this weekend.  I just expect more from Rampage especially if he wants a title fight.  I did like the fact that Rampage wasn't getting baited by Jardine's game plan like he did ( or at least more) against Griffin.  I thought Jardine had a great game plan  but that is exactly why I don't really like him.  He just fights for th win. I understand that is your point exactly but I like fighters who maybe use a little less caution. I will say he must have one heck of a chin. Would you really like to see every fight go the distance?  I wouldn't.  Anyways, I guess it would have probably been a Knockout if it would have went about 15 more seconds.  By the way I just read some articles too and this fight makes a lot more sense.  I really think Rampage is benefitting from training in England.  I am also curious to see what happens next.  Will Dana give Machida a shot or is Rampage going to try and fight 3 times in 5 months.  He might be spreading himself thin there.  I would love to see Machida fight either Rashad or Rampage. I don't know if he would win but he would definetely bring a different feel to them.

As to Vera, I guess I really just don't like him.  Sure he is good but I think he is way to cocky.   I understand the need to grab a win especially now days where it doesn't take much for Dana to cut someone but Vera just rubs me the wrong way.  Maybe that is why I had a hard time with it.

Keep laughing about Lesnar.  You'll see in July.  Though I'm sure if he beats Mir there will be some other reason he isn't good.  I will say that Carwin looked bad ass and would be a great opponent for Lesnar.  Speaking of this, the July PPV is going to be great.  Lesnar/Mir, GSP/Alves, and Bisbing/Henderson.  I think we are going to try and make it to Vegas for it.

Watch the fight on the PPV; I think you're impression will change.  When a hardcharging fighter, like Rampage, exercises caution, there is a reason: he developed a lot of respect for how dangerous Jardine is.

Having been a casual fan before I started training, I will say that yes, training in MMA gives you a whole new outlook and understanding as to why fights go the way they do, and why fighters do what they do.

I will definitely be taking some sort of Martial Art when I complete school in December.  It is something I've wanted to do for years.

Do it.  I can't say anything about TMAs (except that they rarely translate to mma very well), but I can say that learning to box and/or kickbox (Muay Thai, American or Dutch-style kickboxing) gives you a whole new appreciation for what mixed-martial artists do in the cage/ring.

mir is hurt so that fight will be postponed most likely.

http://www.cagepotato.com/update-frank-mir%E2%80%99s-camp-asked-ufc-not-announce-lesnar-fight-ufc-98 (http://www.cagepotato.com/update-frank-mir%E2%80%99s-camp-asked-ufc-not-announce-lesnar-fight-ufc-98)

That is why I put it in the July event which is UFC 100.  The fight was originally scheduled for the big May show they usually do.  This fight will be postponed.  This is the reason that Rashad is going to defend his belt in May instead of June.  I really can't see Jackson being able to fight again but who knows.  If it is not Evans/Jackson it will be Evans/Machida.

If it ends up being Evans/Machida, then it will be Machida/Jackson. 

That is a bold statement, I like it. [thumbsup]  I don't think we have really seen enough of either yet but Machida is so different than anyone in that division and he keeps getting better. I love to watch his fights.  The way he turns an opponent's attack into his own is amazing.  I have however, stopped counting out Rashad. That dude hits hard and wrestling is supposed to be his strong point.  Ask Griffin and Liddel and they wouldn't know because the both got KTFO

Lyoto Machida is like a make the beast with two backsing Jedi.  Not to mention, his style is hard to mimic, so it is hard to find training partners that fight like him.  However, if any camp can put together a good gameplan for fighting Machida, I would give it to Greg Jackson...he's like make the beast with two backsing Yoda to Rashad's Luke Skywalker.

 [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]

Sinister does know his MMA MM.   [thumbsup]

I've listened to him and a few other friends geek out over it on several occasions.   


 ;D


Hbliam..  Keep in mind MM is a Lesnar fan and that will make his posts a bit clearer
[laugh]

I think that's pushing the nerd alert limits of this thread, but I do agree.  :)

I'd say it was a great night of fights, including the main event. Kieth and rampage are two badass dudes. Was it as good as it could have been, no. But I was entertained.

Hamill was awesome. Who knew he had hand and feet like that. I'm glad to see him be more than a wrestler.

The matt brown fight did go way too long. Almost started to make me sick.

I see some great fight happening in the near future.

Oh yeah, Vera was awesome too. His previous fights didn't exactly blow a cool breeze up my skirt, but he looks way better and more determined at this weight.

I love to see fights end in unconventional ways. Leg kicks, punches to the gut, flying knees.

BWAHAHAHAHAH!!!  Yeah, I am a fightnerd more than I'd like to admit, but it's fun.

Rumor has it that Jackson will turn down the UFC 98 fight with Rashad Evans...this is developing, but Evans is now looking to Machida.

Pretty much what I thought would happen.  It would be extremely difficult for Rampage to not only go back to England and train but to be ready for another fight in less than 2 months.  It would be nice to see a rubber match between him and Griffin in June because that card is somewhat shakey.  Let the winner of that take on the winner of Evans/Machida.  I'm sure they'll just give Rampage the winner though. 

Looks like it will be Evans/Machida  I'm excited about this one. 

I'm still hoping for a Jackson/Griffin rematch at UFC 100.

Oh yeah..just saw that!

 [thumbsup]

I just read that Jackson has to have jaw surgery for torn tendons.

I would prefer to see Griffin fight Brandon Vera; Vera needs to be tossed into the deep end of the LHW Division.

http://msn.foxsports.com/boxing/pgStory?contentId=9323124#sport=MMA/Boxing&photo=9324496 (http://msn.foxsports.com/boxing/pgStory?contentId=9323124#sport=MMA/Boxing&photo=9324496)

ouch

That was an unfortunate turn of events, for sure.  If you don't know the story of the Tapout guys, or their company, it is a pretty interesting one.  They basically started out selling t-shirts at events...and the guy dies in his Ferrari.  They catapulted into a huge enterprise.

RIP, just saw that in the news. Entertaining group of characters, i used to watch the show they had last year.

New TUF isn't wasting any time getting into these fights!!

Looks like it might be a good season!!  US vs. UK 

Have to wait until next week though to start making predictions on which country will win.

Some of the Brits are impressive, but I'm not sure if that was because they were facing bad opponents. The US team should be able to field a solid group of guys.

I agree, I watched the first couple of episodes from last season and while some of the guys were not polished they all seemed way better than most of the english guys.  The one dude who got a knockout looked like he had absolutley no strength behind his punches.  The only reason he got a TKO was because the other guy wasn't defending himself.  Don't get me wrong a couple of the guys looked good and really looked to have good jitz.  Can't wait to see what America can bring to the table. 

From the preview, it looks like the americans are a bunch of douchebags. Why do you have to cut weight when you know that you'll be fighting on the first day. You have to come jacked up and ready to roll.

I missed the premier, but I have to say I'm not too excited about this season. It seems a little like there running out of ideas or just trying something different. I could give a shit about US vs. UK, cuz at the end of the day it's not a team sport. That's one reason why I love UFC so much.

some Dana White press

http://msn.foxsports.com/boxing/story/9407680/UFC-boss-curses-out-female-reporter-in-tirade?MSNHPHMA (http://msn.foxsports.com/boxing/story/9407680/UFC-boss-curses-out-female-reporter-in-tirade?MSNHPHMA)

UFC president Dana White went on a profanity-laced tirade and used an anti-gay slur while rebutting an online story by a female reporter that was unflattering to his organization.

youtube vid  [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Dana White goes off on a journalist (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOLXBMHOje8#ws-lq-lq2-hq-vhq)

I really just don't get our country and political correctness. 

So Dana uses offensive language (can't see the video) I'm assuming he called someone gay or f***t and called the reporter retarted.  Who gives a shit?   Do you really think that gay's or lesbians make a big part of the UFC's audience.  So now the man has to come out with an apology.  I was really hoping that Dana wouldn't apologize.  I hate the fact that no one can speak their mind in this country without offending someone.  Just like the thread about using the word retard,  it's really not directed at the mentally challanged but has now become a universal word for someone who is incredibly dumb.  Dana is actually a very good person that does a lot of charity work and also helps out a lot of the fighters and their families. 

Okay, mini rant over.  Lets move on and get to Anderson Silva destroying Leites.  I can't believe people think he has a chance against the Spider. 

I'm not interested in watching Anderson Silva beat the poo out of another Middle weight there is no one in that division that can beat him. What I want to see is him and GSP fight at a 180 pound catch weight. Who cares about titles for that fight the winner would truly be the best pound for pound guy in the world or at least share that distinction with Fedor.
Talk about a fight for the ages!

As far as the new season of TUF I'm glad I have a DVR so I can fast foreward through all the B.S. (which is most of the show) and just watch the training and the actual fights.

I had no idea this thread even existed  [thumbsup]

Great to have you.  I'm sure you'll be joining in the hating on Lesnar and giving me shit for liking him quickly.   ;D

In all seriousness though, I would love to see the catch weight match between GSP and Silva but I don't think it will happen for a while.  GSP needs to defend his belt a few more times. I keep hoping for someone to give Silva a decent match. 

I'd rather see Silva move up to LHW, permanently.

I think that would be the best way to get him fights that would actually challenge him.  Machida, Evans, Rampage all come to mind as fighters who could hang.

My wife flew from Vegas to Orange County for work last Tuesday. She sent me a text from the plane, "I'm sitting across from Tito!".  Jokingly I told her to get an autograph. Jokingly because I think autographs are semi worthless unless on some piece of equipment (like a pair of gloves). Anyway, she gets his autograph (said he was very polite and easygoing). It says, "Scott, Your next!, Tito Ortiz". I thought it was pretty clever.

 [laugh]

That's cool. 


BTW..the thing with Dana..   [roll]

I'm not surprised; I've always heard that Tito was very good to his fans.

I'll take that as an invitation to give you crap about Lesner  ;D
Actually I don't mind Lesner. There are a lot of other guys out there that I would rather see as the heavy weight king. Ok, I'll admit it I'm a Mir fan and have been ever since he got into the UFC and I think will be able to get Lesner to make a mistake and will submit him again if they can stay healthy and get to fight again. But as Lesner gets more and more familiar with the finer points of the fight game he could be unstoppable for a while. I would respect Lesner more if he admitted to steroid use while he was an "entertainer" in the WWE or WWF (whatever it was!) and quit when he left them and got back into real competitive sports. I think most fight fans would accept that and there would be no more issue or questions about Lesner and steroids.

That's what I think of Lesner and I didn't even talk about the fact that the guy has a giant penis tattooed on his chest  [evil] 

 [laugh] [laugh] So true. So true.

I don't give a make the beast with two backs if he took steroids. I see him like the UFC's version of Kimbo. Truth be told, the heavyweight division in the UFC has by far the least amount of talent. Once Lesnar gains some skillz on the ground (BJJ) he should be able to dominate for a while. They brought him up super fast since they had no big name like Randy that draw people in. I can assure you that if they would have signed Fedor, Lesnar would still be fighting through the ranks.

No, Lesnar would have limited memory of the night of their fight, and be trying to get his penis/sword tattoo re-worked into a Fedor tattoo. [laugh]

Don't forget that Lesnar's tattoo looks more like a giant dildo attached to a pair of brass knuckles than an actual penis.  Maybe it's a replica of what he uses on Sable.  The tattoo on his back is really cool though.  Still don't understand why he doesn't come out under black light so it would glow.

I can't wait for the Mir fight.  Hopefully a dominant win will help people get over the fact that he was in the WWE.  Although Mir looked awesome against Nog so I wouldn't bet against him winning.

As to Fedor,  no way Lesnar beats him now but it is too bad that Fedor is in the twilight of his career becuase Lesnar could challange him in a year or two.  I still don't think Fedor would knock him out but would submit him easily.

I finally agree with you. In a few years, if Lesnar does not get too injured and he focuses on his grappling, he will be sick. Right now, he's a big name in a no name division.

I don't think I would call Big Nog (badass), Frank Mir (champ), Randy Couture (former champ), or Gabe Gonzaga (went long rounds with Randy, knocked out CroCop), "no names."

Definitely older division.

No.

Evans is Chris Leben +20lbs and better hands.  Silva would dismantle Evans in much the same manner.  I like Rashad, but there is nothing in his skill set that even comes close to Silva's striking ability right now. And don't start about his wrestling... wrestling is what happens when Rashad fights someone that can't punch or move their feet.  Silva is neither of those.

While there is always the chance that Q will just lose his mind and masacre anything in his path, Silva will bomb him into oblivion.  Silva's just to precise and powerful in his striking... Jackson is succesful at wading through guard and mauling people that can't put him down with shots.  Silva is neither of those.

Agreed.  His footwork is excellent for an MMA fighter, and we got to see how he can use his range and counterstriking ability against that Pitbull guy.  That said, Silva moves way better than Machida's last opponent - about as well as Machida himself - and Silva strikes with way more precision and power than Pitbull did. This would be an excellent MMA bout to watch, and I would like to see the UFC make this happen.

I'd also like to be able to do the voice-over for the interview, since both are Brazilians and mostly speak Portugese.  It would be like the worst kung-fu movie you've ever seen, only with more F-bombs thrown in.

So I'm kind of getting pumped for the PPV tomorrow. 


Quote of the day from when a columnist asked Silva if he was getting tired of people calling him out.

"I believe that people being a lot more respectful may keep their teeth in their mouth."

Also want to see if Chuch can save his career by getting a nice KO

May have to go watch tomorrow!


BTW..wishing Browning's lil' brother (on TUF) got his azz knocked out cold!

man he fought like a pussy...   

I also didn't care for the other US dude that won.  He is going to get his ass kicked in his next fight

The UK guys seem like they might be a little better than the US guys.   

He sure did..when he wasn't on the ground getting beat down with his gloves over his face!   [laugh]

Agreed Vin.  I didn't care for him or the guy who knocked himself out. 

Great fights tonight, is Lidell done? Silva fought a smart fight, but if he was in that much control why couldn't he end it?

I didn't care for Silva from the last fight..now I really don't like the guy.  I'm hoping someone gets in there and knocks him on azz so maybe he'll stop pizzing around.  Complete waste of sleep staying up for that sh*t!  [roll]

I think he's the best fighter in the world, right now. Id love to see him go up to fight Evans or down to fight St Pierre.

Silva- disappointing.

Leites- back to obscurity until you learn to strike.

Chuck- done.  Don't mourn his leaving, celebrate his great body of work while he was here. Thanks for the highlights, and see you on "Entourage."

Rua- not convinced he's gonna clean house in 205, but he'll get another good fight in short order.

Stout- still not complete enough to challenge in 155.  BJ or Sherk would have destroyed him.

Wyman- 1) My money's on a positive test for methamphetamine, and 2) dude, haircut.  WTF?  (BTW, Rogan brought up that he trained with Mikey Burnett - that explains a lot...)

Cantwell- Looked done in the first round of his WEC belt fight vs. Stamm, then came back and flattened him.  Looked done vs. Cane in the first round, then won the second, but dropped the decision.  At 22, he's going to get better and better.  I'll be watching him to climb the ranks.

Cane- Couldn't put away a guy that played right into his gameplan - Cane's a moving-forward straight-shots-all-night guy, and Cantwell just kept moving back in a straight line instead of circling out... Cane should have been able to put out the lights.  I'm not sold on this guy's "devastating strikes," to quote Joe Rogan...

Stamm- Can't write him off.  Anyone training with Greg Jackson will only get better.  Athleticism lost to experience last night.

Stryzyskinskyslyskny (translated from Polish: "he with the awful unfinished back tat"): Hung tough with a banger and choked him out.  Nice work.

I really wish they had shown the undercard fights... I enjoy watching Dennis Kang and David Loiseau very much.

Overall, not a bad night until that snoozer of a final fight.

mmatko.com is down like it always is after a big fight night....  I guess I will have to wait a few days before I can watch them. 

 [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]



Vin..don't worry!  You didn't miss a thing!

lol..we were watching at Dave & Buster's last night with friends.  Dumbazzes scheduled a party in the viewing room right before the fight.  It took forever to get them out and the UFC fans in.  When the fight finally started..or was supposed to start, they had techinical difficulties (someone forgot to order it I'm sure)!!  In the meantime, they played an old fight for about 20 minutes ..which wasn't too bad until we discovered it was in Espanol.   [roll] [laugh] 

Check out www.mma-core.com (http://).  They had them up as of 7:30 PDT.

I enjoyed the Silva fight; he had an interesting gameplan and, while he didn't get the ko or tko, it worked.  To those who questioned why he didn't/couldn't get the knockout late in the fight, it's hard to hit a guy who keeps backpedaling and falling down.  Sidekicks to the knee?  Awesome.  Once Leites failed to control Silva, on the ground, I could see that Leites's will was broken.  I, personally, think that Silva is trying to mix up his style so that he does not appear so one-dimensional and becomes harder to prepare for.  As well, Silva is a counterstriker; that is what makes him so precise of a striker.  When your opponent fails to engage, it slows the pacing down.  In a fight like Franklin/Silva, where Rich was very aggressive, Silva had a lot more to work off of and, thus, he showcased some incredible striking.  In the case of Cote/Silva, where Patrick is a powerful striker and Anderson had to be wary of that, Silva mixed it up in an attempt to keep Cote out of rhythm.

I like Anderson Silva's fighting style, and I do think he is one of the best MMA fighters in the world right now.  Of course, I really like Lyoto Machida and I am sure those who didn't appreciate Silva's performance probably don't appreciate what Machida does, either.

I liked the kicks (and the punches) to the leg.  The drunken-dance style sh*t was just that.  SH*T!!  The playing or tickling of the feet was just that too.
Silva's opponent..SAD!  How many times did he drop to the ground (for no apparent reason) in the 3rd round?!  [roll]

I wouldn't mind Silva if he didn't take the whole friggen first round to fight.  I understand feeling out the opponent but come on!!   

The first round was a snooze fest. I was actually falling asleep at the bar. Silva will continue to have issues finding good fights in that weight division. Machida will be a tough fight for anyone. All in all it was at most an ok night of fights.

Pretty much how I feel about it.  Yeah, he had a great gameplan and executed it but he's not going to win over anyone by fighting like that.  Reminds me of Tim Sylvia once he got the belt.

Joe Rogan mentioned during the fight that to the casual fan it was a boring fight. But I think to those who now what's going on, it's still pretty amazing. Silva's improvised striking, ie punching to the leg and some sort of soccer kick, makes him exciting for me to watch. Very similar to Machida, it's not always fun to watch an elusive/counter striking fighter. But both their game plans are working for them.

I do feel a little bad for Chuck, and am kinda hoping for a comeback.

Question: Are foot stomps now illegal?

It was a boring fight to any fan. The problem wasn't Silva, it was the chump they put in with him. Leites isn't going to get any big time fights after that performance. If there is one way to piss of Dana it's to flop on the ground whenever the other fighter gets near you.

Chucks done. Even if he comes back and wins one or two I don't think he is ever going to regain the dominace he once had. The rest of the field is getting too good, too well rounded.

Foot stomps are legal.

Chuck is suffering through the evolution of the sport. Guys are now developing their power as their technique improves. He could get away with eating some punches and counter striking when you had wrestlers that were starting to learn how to box. Now you have these guys that have been training as true MMA fighters for years. it's getting to be really hard to find one trick ponies, like Leites, at that level.

+1 to Dana being pissed.

I always thought foot stomps were legal too. But I could of sworn the ref told Silva not to.

This.


Someone else asked if the foot-stomp was legal... Rogan pointed out that it is not a legal technique in Canada.

Dunno why.

Thanks for clarifying.

make the beast with two backsing Canadians. What's wrong with foot stomps? Does it ruin their peticures?

They are lucky to have MMA in Quebec, period.  There was an event put on by another promotion, just before the last UFC event in Montreal, which was held outside and it rained and a bunch of dudes got make the beast with two backsed up and the referees were bad...I don't recall everything.  Anyway, the Quebec Ministry of Sport (or whatever it is) were saying, "no more MMA", until the UFC begged scraped and got them to agree to some modified rules.  That is how foot stomps got eliminated; I think knees on the ground got axed, too, but I'm not sure.

Weird that they wouldn't want mma, but award GSP with athlete of the year.

Canadians, go figure  [roll]

Griffin versus Anderson in August.  Can't wait for this fight.  What a great situation for Forrest.  If he loses oh well Silva is supposed to be the best fighter in the world.  If he wins, wow!  Not sure he can but I do know that he won't stand there and get kicked or flop on the ground like Silva's last two opponents.

Forrest is good, but he won't win.

Too inconsistent vs world class muay thai/jiu-jitsu

^^^^ Exactly.  Forrest has gotten a lot better, but he hasn't met a striker like Anderson.  Though, it will be interesting to see what kind of gameplan Randy puts together for him.

Forrest is a brawler. He will go toe to toe with another brawler of the same skill level. That's not Silva. Poor Forrest. 

Randy has definitely curbed Forrest's "brawler" instincts, but they are still there.  He has gotten a lot more technical, as shown in the Rampage fight, but isn't at the level of Silva.  Silva will be tough to prepare for, as well; it will be hard to find sparring partners who can replicate what Anderson does. 

I love Forrest and think he has gotten much better and way more polished.  I really am just looking forward to seeing Silva at least be challenged by someone.  Forrest has to hit harder than anyone Silva has fought at Middleweight so there is at least the chance that he can hurt him, thats if he can actually hit him without getting KO'd.  Like I said though, this is really a no lose situation for Forrest so he won't be under a lot of pressure.  According to the article I read he agreed instantly to take the fight. You gotta love Forrest for his attitude and willingness to fight anyone anytime.

I think my friends and I are going to make this a road trip to Philly.  Penn/Florian is on this card too.

Can't say enough about Dana setting up great cards this summer.

Dana doesn't really set up the cards, bro.  He may take credit for it, but Joe Silva is the matchmaker.

Joe is the guy that makes the fight happen. Dana takes the credit if the fight lives up to the hype. If they don't then Joe gets to look bad.

What's the difference?   I'm sure Dana has at least a little something to do with the match ups. 

I don't care who makes the matches or who takes credit.  I'm just excited about the upcoming summer.

The difference is that what you said was incorrect and inaccurate.  I just thought, since you're SUCH a fan, you would want to know how things actually work.

Dude, you really get pissy about this don't you?  I understand that you must KNOW way more than I do about the UFC and MMA in general.  I'm so sorry I expressed my opinion on something in which you never want to agree with me on.  I don't get why you have this general dislike for my views on MMA but its probably unwarranted.  I don't care who you like or dislike as fighters but I do like to read your comments on fights and matches for the simple fact that I tend to look at things differently than you do and I'm not always seeing what you see.  Sure I don't practice MMA or know everything, but I do like to learn and appreciate others opnions.  In fact I've really come to appreciate some of the smaller points of MMA just by you and a couple other members posts.

I DO know who Joe Silva is and I know what he does.  Does it really make a huge difference that I was giving props to Dana for the upcoming matches?  I'm pretty sure he has some imput to Joe on what matches he wants, especially in a match like this where Silva is jumping a weight class to fight one of the other faces of the company.

Yeah, I am SUCH a fan. MMA is my second favorite sport. Does that mean that I have to know every little detail and be correct all the time?  I don't think so but I guess you do.  I think you think I am one of these guys who walk around in Affliction shirts that are 2 sizes too small and act like I am a fighter and know everything about the sport.  Trust me I'm not.  Last time I went to an UFC event they actually had shirts that just had a plain UFC logo that I really liked but didn't get for the simple fact that a lot of douches wear UFC/Fight shirts.  I understand that we might disagree on what fighters we like or even what aspects of MMA we enjoy the most but I would appreciate it if you could maybe cut me a little slack. This is my favorite thread on this forum, I love talking and learning about MMA, and I don't think that is to much to ask. 

That reply is too long for me to read. I have a very short attention span. I can just picture Sinister doing his evil laugh while he reads it.

Dude, if MMA is your second-favorite sport, you need to GTFO of this thread.  Seriously, though, no need to go nuts.  I was passing on information.  Your "opinion" misconstrued a fact of how the promotion works.  I was only offering the correct information.  That's what the internet is for: telling other people they are wrong. [laugh]



 [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] (how's that Carlos?)

Okay, okay, okay.  I get the picture.  I won't post in this thread anymore. :'(






I'll admit sometimes I read into things a little to much.  I guess that is the problem with written communication though right?

Thanks for at least lightening up the situation.  Seriously though, football is the best sport on earth.

Now back to our regularly scheduled posts of you and Carlos telling me I'm wrong. ;D

Football?  The 'National Felons League'?  Serious?  You aren't from Europe (or South America) and mean 'soccer', do you?  Come on, football?  Alright, whatever floats your peepee.


 [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]

That's better. Come on Sin, give the guy a break. He is from Ohio.

Damn.  Now I feel bad.  Why didn't anyone tell me?

This should have been a PM.


and here is where I poke you with a stick:

Your favorite sport isn't football it's WWF. That's the only reason I can figure for your love of Lesnar the Cockchest.

And of course...we are just having fun at your expense.   ;D

MMA is lame...

How about the Hatton v Paquiao fight! 

Should be a good one

I like Hatton and I like the HBO series..but..if it's anything like his last fight with Maywether..

 :P

Not being able to kick or elbow is a violation of Global Human Rights.

Boxing is the checkers of combat sports.

Jab, jab, hug, jab, jab, hug, jab, jab, hug, jab, jab, hug.

 [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] Nice analogy.

Remember Hbliam its a brass knuckles dildo not a cock.


Would be funny if the Buffer got to call him Brock  "Cockchest"  Leeeeeessssssnnnnnaaaaarrrrrrr.

You can't be serious Vindingo.   Boxing used to be good, now all of the good fighters train MMA.

You're joking, right? Boxing is trying to dig up as many big names as possible to get at least some of the hype back. It's not happening. The promoters have ruined boxing and you can't tell me some of those fights are rigged. I'm not saying the fighters are bought, but definitely the judges. Even the announcers are dumbfunded as they hear some of the results.

Submission of the year? Click on words below pic to view video.


Bellator V Highlights - Toby Imada vs. Jorge Masvidal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bpr9lPqcMDM&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Efacebook%2Ecom%2Fhome%2Ephp%3F&feature=player_embedded#ws-lq-lq2-hq-vhq)

That was a weird ass triangle.

I just wonder if he actually practiced that or was like my legs are right by his neck and I have an arm so I'm going to give it a shot.

Even the ref looked shocked when he locked in the Piggyback Triangle (that's just what I'm calling it).

That was pretty creative.

I love to see guys go all the way out.

Before Sinister gets to it, Lesnar could do that in his sleep.
 [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]

Seriously though, that was a pretty cool submission.   [thumbsup]

I doubt it; Lesnar isn't too good with submissions.

What? Get submitted?  [laugh]

It's actually not a good idea. The referee just wasn't paying attention. When you put someone out like that there is a chance that you could dislodge plaque in the arteries that could get lodged down the line elsewhere. We are allowed to apply the carotid restraint at work but only one time and we have to release if they tap. Then we take them to the hospital.

I agree, but I still like to see it.  [evil]

Plaque in the arteries? I wouldn't think that would be a problem in guys so young and with that type of conditioning. That may be an issue if both these guys were in their forties or had a history of blood doping. Isn't there some carotid restraint in most choke holds in MMA? There is even some in the Thai clinch if you squeeze both sides of the neck with the wrists rather than just pulling on the head. To me if dislodging plaque were a big problem then there we would see fighters get out of a submission attempt or clinch and start stroking from the plaque going from the carotid straight into the brain.

You are right about the ref he should have realized the guy was out on his feet and ended the fight to get blood flow back to the brain. I once saw a guy nearly die from a Guillotine at a local show because the ref wasn't in position to see that he was already passed out and it took the crowd yelling at the ref to get him to end the fight. That would have been really bad for the sport.

I'd like to see that too. [evil]










Not really.

Any one can have crap in the systme, but I agree that most of these guys are probably in pretty good shape.

Carotid restraint in MMA? The rear naked choke is the cartoid restaint. We just don't say choke in law enforcement anymore AND if you are choking them you are doing it wrong. Not to mentionm if you do choke them you run the risk of snapping the windpipe.  The video I linked for instance. The guy passed out due to lack of blood (and in turn oxygen) to the brain, not because he couldn't breathe.

Most chokes in MMA are 'blood chokes'.

Yep, except maybe for the guillotine, which can be either depending on how you catch it. Triangles and rear nakeds are both "blood chokes".

Surpising first fight on TUF tonight.  We'll see who breaks the tie in a few minutes.


Can't wait for UFC 98..Serra vs. Hughes. 

Teeth knocked out is always a good sign.

Easy guys....time diff and DVR's in effect/use.

Haha!!  That was great!!  I didn't like that dick anyway.  He got lucky being in there from the first episode!   [laugh] [laugh]

I hate SPIKE!  It seems like every gahdamn week they start the fight late and throw off my TiVo!!



BTW..If you don't want to read the results..stay off here until you've seen the fight.

Exact reason I don't even go into the Race section on Sat/Sun until I see the race first. 

I hope Serra sends Hughes into retirement dripping blood.

Weren't you first in line to get an autographed copy of Hughes' book?



 

No.  Don't you OWN the book?   [laugh]

You can't prove that!

I'll bet John still has the receipt...

The only thing that proves is that John bought that turd of a book. 
 [laugh]

True.  However, he or Holly might have taken pics at your party.

Until a pic surfaces..

I am innocent until proven guilty.





BTW..even if I allegedly did get that for my b-day..I would be very appreciative!  A gift is a gift!

I don't think Serra has a chance.  Hughes hasn't looked all that great in his last couple of fights, but Serra isn't in the same league.  It was a fluke that he beat GSP and he shouldn't have even been in that fight. 

I don't remember the last time I saw Hughes fight. Didn't he retire after that last beat down. This is just a fight between 2 guys that really don't like each other that are way out of their prime. With that said, Matt Hughes can suck it.

Serra has much better standup than Hughes.  If Serra can stuff the takedown, and keep the fight standing, he has a very good shot.  Additionally, Serra does have very good BJJ; a ground fight isn't a given for Hughes.

Carlos - Hughes has said he is retiring after this fight.

I'm really kind of on the fence on this one.  While I'm not a Hughes fan, mostly becuase of the way he coached on TUF not his fighting, I think he might take this one simply because it will be his last fight (or so he says).  With the feelings between the two it should be a heated fight.   Standing is definitely the way for Serra to win. 


I agree with Sinister (for once ;D) that I would like to see a Serra beatdown on Hughes.

How about Evans/Machida?  That one is going to be awesome.  Evan's aggressiveness against Machida's elusiviness and counter punching. 

That is going to be a great fight. I really hope Machida can frustrate Evans and pull out a win. 

Did you guys hear that Jose Canseco has a MMA fight at the end of the month against a 300 pound Korean guy I just saw it on MMA Junkie. Is he desparate for $ or what?

Machida by flying noodle choke.

Seriously, I think Evans is going to get frustrated, do something dumb (or lots of things dumb) and Lyoto will capitalize.  I respect Greg Jackson, and his ability to put a plan together, but I think the weak link will be Rashad's ability to execute said plan.  Rashad is kind of an odd, unorthodox striker; this actually works well for Machida, who loves to counter off his opponents.  Machida also has great lateral movement and uses angles very well; all of these will help frustrate Evans' attempts to land punches.  However, because of his unorthodoxy, Evans can be dangerous from almost anywhere. 

If Machida uses kicks, in combination, effectively, he will break Evans the striker down to Evans the wrestler, and then the 'plan' goes out the window for Jackson.  If the fight goes to the ground, I think Evans is in trouble.

Serra over Hughes and I'm thinking/hoping by KO.

Machida over Evans..even though I like both, I think Greg summed it up well.



Also..Korean over Conseco  [roll]

Predictions:

Machida d. Evans.  TMA Krotty pwnage!  I don't see any aspect of Rashad's game having a distinct advantage over Machida's except for takedowns, top control, and G'n'P attack, but I think Machida's ground game is strong enough to keep from losing the fight there.  He'll stay busy enough in the event of a takedown that Rashad can't grind him out.  Other than that, Machida's gonna do what he does... move, counter, move, counter... get in, land, get out... again and again.  I see this fight being way more one-sided than most people seem to think.

Huges d. Serra.   Hopfully they both get eaten by a bear at the end of the fight and we don't ever have to listen to them speak again...

McFedries d. Unpronounceable sumpin-sumpin.  Who cares?  As long as they blast the shit out of each other instead of hugging the whole time, I'm happy.

Sonnen d. Miller  Miller's probably more well rounded and experienced, but I just like Sonnen's game.  If he's got his head on straight, he can take this.

Sherk d. Edgar. Sherk is hungry.  Edgar's in trouble.

Lol..they both get eaten by a bear!?!? :)

Good fight to start!!!

 Second fight...does Miller have a Slayer tattoo on his back?!?!?

Great fights up to now.

Holy shit! Machida  :o

All good fights..esp the last one! DAMN!!!!

Sleepy sleepy time.

Machida is an animal.  He could be on top for a while.

The Hughes v Serra fight was pretty good. 

I think Frankie Edgar is legit, give him another shot at Gray Maynard

No kidding.  If I would have dreamt it, that's how it would have gone.  Perfect.  Lyoto is so quick!  I actually rewound it a few times to see how he covered distance, and still landed a couple of the early kicks.  Sheesh!  I knew he had a solid left hand, and I knew that Rashad would fail to execute against Machida.  Man, I was so pumped to see that win!!! 

Hughes by 'human blanket'...meh.

I under-estimated Edgar's wrestling.  Once he demonstrated that Sherk wasn't going to plant him on his back and grind him out, Sherk seemed to fold.

C'mon, UFC... make Machida / Silva happen.

Both Anderson and Lyoto have said they will not fight each other; they are teammates, to some degree.

I've seen Machida dismantle other guys. I was even giving Rashad the benefit of the doubt, but he got schooled. They said it best, how do you prepare for a guy like Machida. Are they going to start looking for the local Shotokan instructors? Even when Rashad was forcing him to be more aggressive Machida would just plant a kick to the face or body. I will wish Rampage luck.

Machida was awesome. Evans was really nervous and couldn't figure machida out. For anyone that thought his fights were boring had to be happy with his diplay of skills.

I don't think Hughes should have got a unanimous decision, but Serra could have done more.

All in all a decent night of fights. 

My guess is, the gameplan developed involves continuous pressure, with the idea that this will prevent Lyoto from getting set or setting up combinations.  That sounds good on paper, but I think it will be a hard one to enact.  Machida is a master of timing; if Rampage starts stalking him (a la Thiago Silva), he'll have to set to throw punches.  It is at that time that Lyoto will strike.  Also, Machida seems content to go 'one-and-done' with strikes; getting in, throwing a kick, and getting out.  This peppering will frustrate a "stand-and-bang" guy like Rampage.  Also, Machida is faster on the feet than Rampage.  Awesome timing, and solid counterstriking, will make it difficult for the Wolf's Lair to establish a solid gameplan.  Additionally, it will be hard for them to find guys who fight like Machida (seriously, if Greg Jackson couldn't do it).

Yep, preparation is the hardest with Machida. In traditional karate you have 3 timings. I don't remember what they're called in japanese, I'm sure my brother does. Anyway, Sinister is 100% correct. Timing is the key to Machida. If he can figure out your timing when you're striking, then he's done.

Brock could beat him ;D

Seriously though, Machida is amazing.  I loved the fight and his speach afterwards.  Good to see that he speaks at least a little english.  Its going to be hard to beat him for anyone.  Rampage is next so we shall see. [thumbsup]

Shouldn't you be at a Tapout Guys fan signing?   [laugh]

I noticed he spoke a lot more English, as well.  My guess is that he has been working on it; in the post-fight press conference, though, he spoke through Ed Soares.  He probably has fairly good English, but feels more comfortable working through an interpreter. 

Rampage doesn't have the patience to try and counter the counterstriker.  He does have one-punch knockout power, though. 

That's the only way I see Rampage winning too.  If not, could be another Machida beatdown which I am not adverse to seeing.


Dana has to be happy that he can speak at least some english. I think Silva not being able to speak it really hurts his popularity.

I just don't see Machida having a hole that Rampage can capitalize on.

I'd wager that Silva speaks more english than he lets on.

He'd better bring a folding chair into the ring if he's gonna be planning on knocking out anybody.

Rampage gets Rashad'd if he fights this guy on his feet.  He's gotta plant Machida and grind him out if he's gonna have a chance.  If the ol' psycho, slamming-fools-through-the-mat-while-they-try-to-choke-him-out Rampage Jackson from Pride shows up, then he's got a shot.  Personally, I think success took away the little extra bit of crazy that made Rampage hungry and dangerous.  Without that, he's basically Tito circa 2007 - he's not climbing into the cage to punish you and eat your children anymore, and thinks he can win the fight trading haymakers with his "improved boxing."

Machida don't trade haymakers. 

Good breakdown.  The thing is, I don't think Rampage will be able to keep Machida on the ground.  I don't know that success took anything away from Rampage; I do think that Rampage has a limited skill set which handicaps him against more well-rounded fighters like Forrest Griffin.

Rampage Jackson and Rashad Evans are coaching TUF X.

Shogun Rua might be fighting Lyoto Machida for the title.  Wha?  Here we go.

Rua, is going to get destroyed.

carlos your going to have to pick up Sinister's slack hating on me now that he's gone ;D

Sucks though :'(

I  only have half the time to hate on you. I'll drop a comment here or there about your man crush.

So this is true, should be a good show.

Guess who's going to be one of the fighters?

You guessed it-  Kimbo Slice!   I don't know if this is a good or bad thing.  Imagine the kid who showed up the first day and had to fight Kimbo to get on the show.

I'd still rather fight Kimbo than Ken Florian, and I give away 40 lbs and 4 inches to Kimbo vs. Florian giving away the same to me.  But yeah, if I showed up for the TUF open call and had to choose between the two, I'd probably pick wrong.

It's no coincidence that Kimbo rhymes with Bimbo.

Last week, I went to a family reunion and met a distant cousin, Erin Toughill.  She says that's she's the #2 MMA female fighter in the world and is also an American Gladiator.  How cool is that?  I guess I'll learn more about this sport and follow my cousin.

Peace out and ride safe.

She's pretty good, I just saw a fight of hers on HD Net's Inside MMA.

I wouldn't say she is the #2 though.  That's probably Carano behind Cyborg.

Good luck following women's MMA the big matches are few and far between.

Dammit this thread is not the same without Sinister. [bang] [bang] [bang] [bang]

Anyways who's ready for the PPV Saturday?  I'm hoping Cro Cop gets a big win and Dana gives him a longer contract.  He certainly can add to the heavyweight division. The Kongo/Velasquez fight should be pretty good and the Franklin/Silva matchup could turn into a bloody war! 

First of three really good ppvs.  Can't wait till July!!!!!!!!!! [thumbsup]

Not really a fan of the fighters in this lineup but may still get over to see the fights.


That fight last week with Andre Arlovski getting his azz beat in about 1/2 sec?!  D*mn!  :-X 



BTW..what's up with Frank Shamrock and those braces?!

Looks like Jaws
(http://slowthatup.com/images/jaws.jpg)

and Zoolander

(http://www.thepursuitaesthetic.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/zoolander_face.jpg)

had a kid together. 
 ;)  

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

I'm not wasting my money on this one. What happened to Arlovski?

First-round pwnage... (http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/blog/cagewriter/post/Rogers-knocks-out-Arlovski-in-22-seconds?urn=mma,168495) not what I expected from him at all.

UFC 99:
One of the local bars airs these without charging cover, so I've got the option if I want it.  But other than the Silva/Franklin fight, there isn't much on this card to interest me.

Never mind, the bar didn't have in on 'ciz of the time difference.

They'll have 100, which is looking solid.

It was actually pretty good.

Hardy and Davis went the distance. Judges gave it to Hardy but it looked like it should have went to Davis (unless you looked at his face, he was tore up).

Fisher/Uno went the distance. Nothing to write home about. Fisher gets decision.

Swick v Saunders. Great fight. The UFC is usually pretty careful with letting foul language air, they want to llok all clean and professional. Kinda of like how they always cut away from the bloodied up fighter being cleaned up post fight. Anyway. At one point Saunders is just holding Swick on the ground against the cage and you hear very clearly something to the effect of: Swick 'You just gonna make the beast with two backsing hold em all night?" Saunders: "We can stand up pregnant dog!"  [laugh] The Swick knocks Saunders out.

Cro cop was back. Won with a TKO but it started with a eye poke. Al turk turned away (because he was blind) and the idiot ref that missed the eye poke (Miralgiotta) let him take several sucker pucnches before ending the fight.

Velasquez v Kongo. Holy crap. Both sides took some bombs. If Kongo would have quit going to the ground he "may" have KO'd Cain. Instead Kongo took 3 full rounds of ground and pound. props to both fighters just for going the distance.

Franklin v Silva. Went the distance. Franklin looked much better then Silva and got the decision. Silva had to cut 12 lbs. to make the 195 cut off so of course thats the excuse.

All in all worth the PPV. 100 is going to be well worth it.

I'm going with Mir over Lesnar. Simply because I have always appreciated Mir and I hate Lesnar. Lesnar is outclassed if they go the ground. All he has is size. 
GSP over Alves,  Fitch over Thiago, Henderson over Bisping (who has shown himself to be quite the dick on TUF), Bonnar over Coleman, Hopefully Miller over Danzig (hate him), no preference or opinion on the rest of the card.

I thought it was pretty good PPV.  The kongo/valesquez fight was really entertaining.  Kongo had him rocked multiple times but was so gassed from getting out of the first choke that he was in that he couldn't defend the takedowns of Valesquez.  He did take a super amount of gNp though.  Same with Franklin, he had Silva rocked a few times and just couldn't seal the deal.

Obviously we all know I want Lesnar to win and think he will but Mir looked so damn good against big Nog that I'm going to say he'll win.   

You can't have it both ways. You need to own your love of cockchest.  [laugh]

You're right.


Lesnar by cockchest GnP early in the second. ;D ;D ;D

Sanchez/Guida fight last night was pretty good. Sanchez's flying knees and and that kick to the face in the first round!  :o

Guida must have the hardest chin in MMA?!  Doesn't seem like there's much behind his punches though?

Couple good fights

A decent show.  Wish some of them wouldn't have went the distance so we could have seenn some of the other fights.


Guida does have a great chin.  I can't believe he was jumping up and down after that fight when Rogan was interviewing him. 

I only got a chance to watch the last fight. I hate Sanchez, but he beat down Guida that whole first round. After that head kick I could have sworn it was over, but the Carpenter got back up. Taking beatings like that will only shorten your career. He needs to get better stand up where he can at least try to avoid getting his face pummeled. I heard the Brits took the show, but did not see the other fights. I guess I didn't miss much by the reaction here.

You really didn't miss much.  Mostly decisions.  A couple of the fights were interesting.

Wilkes looks like he could be a bad man.  He submitted Dominuques ? (can't look up the guys name) in about a minute after beating him up. 

That's good to know. My brother does not have a DVR, so I guess I'll have to wait for a replay.

Only a few more days!

What are your thoughts on the GSP/Thiago fight? 

GSP

I say GSP only becuase I think Thiago is coming in a little to cocky.  Yes he has great stand-up but GSP has shown over and over that he can handle strikers.

Anyone watch the lead up show last night?

After seeing it I'm betting Mazagotti is not going to officiate the Lesnar/Mir fight.  Everytime I see that fight it pisses me off he stood them up twice, the first time with no warning.  Mir knows Brock can hurt him and has really been talking a lot of shit probably because he scared.  So if Brock wins, are you guys actually going to give him credit?

Henderson over Bisbing.  Henderson is just way to well rounded.  I actually really like Bisbing but he's been getting on my nerves leading up to this fight. 

Really hope we get to see the Coleman/Bonner fight.  Should be a good one or at least a knockout of a former champion.

The only way Lesnar will get any credit (and it still won't make believers out of us) is if he can beat him this week and then do it again for 2/3. You'll never win us over with this M!  ;)

They'll show the Bonner fight. Damn.. can't remember the last time I've seen him, Danzig or CB fight?

GSP in the 2nd w/ a kick to the head that stuns the cocky Alves and then he is finished off on the ground.

I actually like Thiago. GSP is going to come out stronger though and..if this is possible.. even better and overwhelm him.   

I agree with you IZ,  GSP will come out stronger and better.  He has shown that he always come out better for every fight.  I really don't think anyone trains as hard as he does.  Like he said about the Penn fight.  The training camp was harder than the fight.  I would like to see GSP submit him or TKO from a flying knee.

I'm hoping that we get to see a lot of the undercards.  [thumbsup]

It's okay about Lesnar.  Once he beats Mir, they'll be no one to stop him. 

A flying knee would be good.  Can't forget about those knees Alves has though!! 

I'm thinking the big fights will go quick so they'll show more undercards.  [thumbsup]

You're probably right.  Henderson and Bisbing are going to bang it out so someone (Bisbing says its going to be Henderson for the first time ever) is going to get knocked out.  I see GSP wanting to make a statement and Thiago pushing so that one should end quick.  Lesnar absolutely hates Mir and I can see him coming out ready to knock his head clean off.

GSP by ground and pound decision (he takes him down immediately and just pommels him like he's done to his last few opponents).

Mir after Lesnar almost rips his head off his shoulder with a punch wakes up and takes Lesnar down where Lesnar acts like a turtle on his back until he gets submitted.

Henderson stands there eating punches until he takes Bisping down and lays on top of him landing punches and keeping busy. Henderson decision.

Mir / Lesnar: Mir, since Lesnar thinks he can fight now.  He'd have done better sticking with the bull rush and overpowering Mir.
Hendo / Bisping: Hendo's made a career out of being tougher than talented guys, and he's been way tougher than guys that are way more talented than Bisping.  Bisping's gonna have to hope for a boring decision.
GSP / Alves: GSP by superior game plan.  Alves will try to blast GSP with a non-stop MT barrage.  GSP will take shots but Alves won't land clean, and Alves will gas in the 4th & 5th rounds.  GSP will grind him down on the mat at that point.

Other picks:
Fitch
Coleman via "eat the turnbuckle"
O'Brien (Jake used to work at the bar next to mine and is a really nice guy when he isn't smashing faces in)
Danzig
Kim aka Stun Gun... y'know, the guy that lost a draw to Karo on name recognition until Karo pissed a gallon of horse tranq...

Oughta be a good show.

OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!

I missed it. make the beast with two backsing work

OMFG...to the Henderson fight.

GSP/Thiago... ;)

Even less-ner respect for that big piece of sh*t now!

He just can't get the WWF out of his system. What a clown. He really is an embarrassment to the UFC.

Henderson. Thank you. I hate the Bisbing.

Sore loser, poor sportsmanship...the makings of a true champion.

Yes, quite an embarrassment H.

Did anyone else see his classy wife say "F off" to a fan as Brock lead her away to get mounted?

What a knock out!  Bisbing talked a lot of thrash and had that coming. WOW!!  :o

Like I've said in the past though..back off when a guy is clearly out.  Awesome knockout but I noticed in the highlights that was Dan's signature move, i.e.: knock out the opponent and then land a monster-pile-driving-punch on them before the ref can stop it.   

Didn't see any of the fights, but it sounds like Lesnar didn't make any friends with his display of sportsmanship. Was the GSP/Thiago fight any good?

Yes, pretty good but mainly one-sided.  GSP dominated.  He took Thiago down 9/10 attempts.  Punished him on the ground.  Thiago really had no chance to use his kicks/knees.  He did use his strength to lift GSP off him a couple times to get back to his feet.  I really don't think Thiago had ever been in that position (being dominated with nowhere to go and getting bloodied up).  His face was comparable to Mir's.  I like the guy though and hope this will make him a stronger fighter.  GSP is just too damn good!!  He pulled his groin though at the end.  Hopefully this won't affect his future. 

No, Lesnar was an azz from beginning to end.  Didn't touch gloves, got in Mir's face after the fight wo talk sh*t, gave the crowd a mouthful and flipped them off.  Had nothing positive to Rogan say except that he was going home to drink beer and to mount his wife after.  The fans that were cheering for him at the beginning of the fight (across from me at the bar) even had looks of "WTF?" on their faces after the fight. 

Lesnar did a good job on the ground though.  Mir acknowledged that too in the interview after.  Unfortunately, Mir didn't get any good shots in except for a knee to the face.  Mir used his weight again but this time he had Mir's leg tied and his arm over his head.  He gave him a lot of shots and then had him against the rope in that position and pretty much destroyed him!   

I missed the CB and Danzig fights.  Who saw those??  Which fight soaked the mat in blood?! :o 

come on, you guys have to realize that lesnar is doing the typical "rival" thing.

he has to be the "bad guy" or the heel in the ufc to create controversy.   he knows that entertainment sells and that if he is hated by people, people will pay more money the next time to see him get beaten.  its typical showmanship.

the only thing you can do is not buy into it and realize he is doing all this for entertainment to make you hate him so that there is more talk up for mir/lesnar 3 which will happen probalby in a year or so.

I don't watch UFC for controversy or acting.



lol..makes me thing of the bad boy logo from the 80's
(http://www.spiritsurfers.net/monastery/wp-content/uploads/bad-boy-club.jpg)


Can someone photochop some white eyebrows and a cool sword with brass knuckles.

Danzig got cut badly, and Coleman opened up Bonner.

Jake O'Brien didn't do too well against Jones, but Fitch ground out a win so I'm happy.  I think he's one win away from another shot at the 170 belt, but I don't see it going any differently than last time if he's up against GSP again.

I figured Lesnar would try all his new skills and try to fight pretty, but he went with what worked in the past and it worked again.  I'm settling in for a long run of really, really boring UFC heavyweight fights as long as Lesnar's got the belt.  If he can just slam and overpower huge, talented guys like Mir, we're gonna be seeing that for a long time.  And personally, I don't care who Lesnar is going home to climb on top of as long as it's not me.

I'm really looking forward to Florian/Penn.  That should be a good one.

So here is what I don't get.  A guy like Mir can talk all the shit in the world before the fight, saying anything he wants about Lesnar but when Lesnar beats his ass he's bad sport for talking shit.  I've never understood the reasoning behind people who think fighting needs to be this honorable and gentlemanly thing where fighters have to hug and give kudos to someone who they hate and just went to battle with.  Obviously Mir was asking for it since he's been talking shit about Lesnar for 17 months and how Lesnar has no skills and is just strong.  I like Lesnar for the simple fact that he does get so into the fight and doesn't act like a nice guy to someone who he hates.  Lets face it, Lesnar wanted to win that fight more than anything and I don't think he should be faulted for talking shit back to Mir after he just pummelled his face.    What I saw was a great gameplan and Mir had no idea what to do when Lesnar was trapping his wrist and rolling over to be able to punch Mir in the face over and over.  What's wrong with Lesnar sticking to what he is good at.  Seeing him manhandle and land punches on Mir at will was more entertaining than the GSP/Alves fight.  I can see someone not liking what he said during the interview with Rogan but talking shit to Mir after the fight was well deserved in my book. 

I loved the Henderson fight.  Just like Mir, Bisbing deserved everything he got and more.  Looks like Henderson is ready to fight Silva soon.

Since Sinister is not here, then I have to channel him:

That's bullshit. Mir talks smack for the same reason BJ talks smack, to hype up the fight. I have been in the ring ro battle and I have gotten in there with people I like and some that I don't. End of the day you repect what they do. He also disrespected the fans and that's even more bullshit. What should we expect from a douchebag that walks around with a giant cock on his chest? Everyone thought that Mir's skills could out outweigh Lesnar's power, but that wasn't the case. Once someone as strong as Lesnar with half the skills as Mir shows up, the cock worshiper will be in trouble.

As expected..Dana not happy with Lesnar or Henderson actions:
 
http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=dw-lesnar071209&prov=yhoo&type=lgns (http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=dw-lesnar071209&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)

but you know as well as i do they need to make it a hype up match.  its always like that.

what about ali/frazer, ali did the whole arrogant thing with the monkey routine and such to build up hype he pulled stuff like that his entire career.

every football team going into the superbowl at one time or another plays up the hype of "we don't have respect" bs every single superbowl.

you can say that you dont' need this, but really the sports do need rivalry of sorts you need someone that will polarize people so that some can get behind one guy and others behind another, you always need a "bad guy" of sorts.. heck earhnhardt, sr did this in nascar for years and laughed all the way to the bank.

j gordon played the "nice guy" and laughed all the way to the bank....rodman with his "weird" routine laughed all the way to the bank he wasn't always like that but played it up to get more money and exposure, as did andre agassi early in his career with this "rebel" routine, johnny mac did his whole blow ups and yelling and such, he was a prick but he also laughed his way all the way to the bank because he was a guy that put people in the seats, deon sanders with his whole arrogant routine put people in the seats bc everyone wanted him to fail so bad..

entertaiment is part of all pro sports it gets more money so some athletes play off it.

Fedor vs cock worshiper. Now that would be a fight I would pay to see.

Like I said..I don't watch UFC for controvery or WWE actors. 

I enjoy TUF but fast forward through all the antics in the house.

Its hard cuz part of me says that professionals should be more...um .... professional.  But then again, the majority of them are meat heads with a room temp IQ at best.  Lesnar was just pathetic after the fight.  Unfortunately, he makes the UFC a bunch o cash, otherwise, it would be awesome to see Dana White tell him to go back to wrestling.

Great to watch Bisbing get his head knocked off.  I liked him in the Ultimate Fighter because he was quiet and had some sense of humility.  I guess fame and $ caught up to him and he hasnt shut his pie hole since.  Good to see him knocked out.

Fedor via quiet, humble unassumming skull-traumatizing asswhuppin'.

Not sure Lesner's sportsmanship was any less than Henderson throwing that shot when his opponent was already knocked out.


Now that is class-less.

Agreed!


Dana spoke to him too after the fight along with Lesnar.  Did you check out the article?

Yes, Dana "gave them both a talking to" but deep down we all know that Dana likes this shit just as much as anyone.  Anything creating controversy is good for the UFC. 

I agree that what Henderson did was probably wrong but I'm still standing by my boy Brock.

I just don't think it is wrong to be so excited to win that you call your opponent out afterwards.  It really seems stupid to say that you can talk all the shit you want before a fight but if you do it afterwards your a poor sport.  I can't say it enough that Mir talked A LOT of shit in the lead up to the fight and was very ineffective against Lesnar.  If I put myself in his position I would want to say something to Mir too.  Like what now dude, you talked all that shit and I just beat your ass.  I think you've got to think about all the testosterone that is in Lesnar's body and how it might take him a little more time to come down from the rush of fighting.  If you watch after the fight, he is all excited, goes over and talks shit to Mir then a bunch of those guys in red sport coats push him aside.  He says to them "I'm cool just give me a second" and then is noticably calmer, obviously he was jacked up at the time.  I also don't agree that Lesnar just out muscled him.  In both rounds he did a great job of controlling Mir's hands and putting him in the position to get rocked in the face multiple times.  If Mir wins by using BJJ you would say good for him, he's doing what he does best but if Lesnar wins by using his strengths, its just because he is to big and strong.  Thats not his fault.  And so what if he was flipping off the fans,  what would you do if you were getting booed?  Seems like a normal reaction to me.  Yeah, he comes off cocky in the interview but so would Mir if he would have won.

^

I agree.


These guys are make the beast with two backsing meatheads. They are crazy. They are loose canons.

They have aggression issues.


Why does it surprise people he went on that rampage after his win?

I always compare the sportsmanship of the UFC to rugby as I've played the game since high school.  We hate each other during the match, step on each others faces and punch each other in the balls if we feel like its going to give us an advantage.  We plop down a keg right on the field or go to our local bar with the opposing team right after for excessive drinking, singing and general stupidity.  None the less, always a great time with the guys you just exchanged dirty blows with for 90 mins.  Every once and a while though there is that team that you just don't want anything to do with after the match and simply want them to get on there bus and go home.  It doesnt happen often, but it does.  And that I think was the case with both the fights last night.

Really though, it's cage fighting.  They are going to hate each other.  The sport is mano e mano, you don't need friends to win.  Lesnar and Henderson put on a good show, did what they cam to do and won a bunch of money in the meantime. I think they're both awesome and talented at what they do and have a right to say whatever they want at the end of the fight, there is still freedom of speech correct?

That Henderson knockout was make the beast with two backsing awesome.  

It definitely was.

but

that second shot when he was already knocked the make the beast with two backs out was lame

I'm not really having an issue with Hendo blasting Bisping once Bisping hits the canvas.  Every fighter in MMA follows a stunned fighter to the mat, blazing away at the exposed chin once the hands drop (unless their strategy dictates that they absolutely avoid the ground because of their opponents skill set).  This is especially true of a G'n'P performer like Henderson.  The alternative to not pursuing a guy you floored is letting them recover while on their back and going forward to the uncertainty that you'll catch them again later in the fight.

Watching the replays the night of the fight, it really looked to me like Henderson threw that right with his head turned away from Bisping and his eyes closed - I didn't think there was any way he could have known that he knocked him out when that punch landed.  I do think that Henderson realized Bisping was out while he was following him to the canvas with the forearm already on the way, which is why Henderson just landed one and stepped back instead of pummelling the unconscious Bisping until the ref got there.

The UFC highlight reels are full of guys that are banging away at someone who is clearly out until the ref dives across the fallen fighter... that wasn't what happened here.

^ I think I agree with you on this.  Henderson couldn't have known.  You always throw until the ref stops it.

On a kind of cool side note.  I have a buddy who travels for work and he ended up being in Hendos home town watching the PPV in the bar he goes to.  Said the place went nuts when he caught Bisbing with that bomb. 

Hendo? You don't stop until the ref stops you is the first rule. Yes, if you are 100% positive the guy is out/done you stop but that may or may not have been the case here.

Lesnar: He's the perfect example of a dumb jock. He really is a moron. Whoever is saying that Dana's loves it??? Yeah, I'm sure he was looking forward to the call from Budweiser after Lesnar's insanely stupid comments. Lesnar doesn't have any class becasue of two things. One, becasue he can't seem to remember he is fighting in the UFC and not the WWE and two, he isn't a mixed martial artist. MMA practioners are taught respect and good sportmanship from the get go. I guess Lesnar missed those classes. Even in his interview he blamed it on the WWE.

Bring on Fedor!!!

If you look at the replay you'll see that he was just following up. Most guys have to be tackled before they stop. They're making a big deal because usually they don't have more than one "incident" per PPV. With 2 incidents I think Dana felt he had to get his "boys" in line.

Don't get me wrong, I've seen other poor showmanship in the UFC before and I will point it out every time. I just think the UFC is trying to position Lesnar as one of their faces and they truly don't need this BS. Also fans of the UFC don't appreciate it as the WWE fans do. When fighters get booed they usually apologize for either not providing a good enough fight or because they are booing the "desicion" not necessarily booing the fighter. The "fans" were booing Brock because he was being a dick. Poor and simple. If you act like an asshole, you get booed like an asshole. He is a meathead that is probably going to not get as much for his next fight.

As to his skills, they said the same about Hughes for a while. I see Lesnar as a Kimbo, a big draw. You also have to remember that the heavyweight division is low on talent, so he should be able to dominate for a while. And before you start pregnant dogin about "that's not true, there's plenty of competition", look at the other divisions that have a pool of talent. Name a contender that is not 40 years old or that has won a truly meaningful fight. Anyway, enough channeling Sinister.

^^ I agree with you on a few things here. Though they were booing Lesnar before he even got to say anything. 

Lesnar winning creates a huge problem for the UFC.  Who are they going to throw at him next?  I'm guessing the winner of Coture/Nog but if it is Coture he'll just get dominated again.  Nog could pose some threat to Brock by just being bigger and better at BJJ than Mir but I doubt that he would beat him either.  I guess Carwin is the only fighter in the UFC that could have a shot.  Fedor is really the only person we need to see Lesnar fight.  After that, maybe Bobby Lashley.

Henderson is a punk. 

From the article IZ linked:

Highly debatable.

Just watched the fights on MMA-Core. 

Lesnar dominated, I would love to see him fight Fedor. 

Henderson looked mean, but I doubt think his stand up is tight enough to take on the spider.  He has got the power to KO him, but a little too sloppy. 

GSP's take down clinic was awesome.  There was talk of him wrestling for Canada in the next olympics.  It would be cool to see how he would fair against guys that have been doing it their entire lives. 

So just got some rumors through a friend.

So UFC has a press conference Friday where they could be announcing all
or some of the following:

They signed Fedor, and he's going to fight Brock ASAP.
They signed Tito Ortiz, and he's going to take Dan Henderson's spot
fighting Rich Franklin later in the year.
They signed a deal with ESPN.
They signed a deal with network TV.

Fedor has a press conference some time today, so I guess we'll know a
little more after that.

Dana's been twittering (damn I hate having to mention that) things like "Welcome Back Tito" so I would say that is a pretty sure thing.

Fedor could probably get a huge pay day in Japan so I could see him doing that first before coming over.  Maybe fighting the winner of Nog/Coture before facing the winner of Lesnar/Carwin (assuming Carwin beats Cain).

MMA on ESPN would be great.  Wilbon will be crying about it everyday on PTI.

Hmmm..

Tito back..yeah, I'm sure that's right.  What else has he done besides making movies with Jenna? 

I like Spike. Not sure about ESPN and what they would do for TUF..if that's what's going on?  :-\

Fedor..get over here quick!

+1 Fedor to the UFC.  Lesnar to obscurity by sambo armbar in less than ten seconds.

-1 for Tito's return.  205 is stocked with lots of guys that are going to give him fits.  He needs to look back on how he treated Shamrock on Ken's way out and realize that's all that is waiting for him.

Didn't he already get a spankin' from Randy? 

I can see that happening again by a few of these other fighters.

How he treated Shamrock? He made him a millionaire. If Tito wasn't around Ken would not have had anyone to fight for the last couple years as his skills were not on par with everyone else. Tito did him a favor.

I'm sure TUF would stay on Spike,  ESPN wouldn't want to show all of the stuff that goes on drinking/cursing etc.  They are owned by Disney.

I would say it would mean a weekly MMA show like NFL live or whatever.

Tito really does have no where to go but down.  He ran away from Machida for 15 minutes in his last fight in the UFC.  Can't see him being much of a challenge for most of the 205 class.  I could see him fighting Franklin first and then maybe Wandy.

Regarding Lesnar/Fedor I don't think it would be that quick.  Lesnar is to strong. If Fedor can keep it standing that would be the best way to beat Lesnar.  Maybe a choke but not an armbar.  

Tito? Yeah and Liddell and Machida. He needs some new skills or he won't be around for long.

Yeah for the demise of Affliction if for nothing else then Fedor coming to the UFC.

Nah. He loves to just jump onto those big guys like a spider monkey and pull them to the ground. Either way it will be an interesting fight.

He had an acting role in Zombie Strippers...

Yeah..wasn't Jenna in that?

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^^^^^ Looks like Fedor must be spending time fighting bears because he obviously doesn't want to fight in the UFC.

Dana just announced that they pretty much gave him everything he wanted except the co-promotion with M-1 to the tune of 5mil with ppv rights and he didn't take it.

Smells like big fat Russian PUSSY to me.  Let's face it if you really want to call your self the best fighter in the world then you should want to fight the best competition which Fedor really hasn't been doing lately.  The way I look at it he is scared to fight in the UFC because he would actually have to fight good fighters.  I personally like Fedor and think he is great but this is a bullshit move.  I get it, he wants to protect his legacy by not losing but this just sucks. We all know he has bad takedown defense so the cage will probably hurt him.  Mir has crisper hands and comparable BJJ, Carwin and Lesnar could knock him out and certanly outwrestle him (probably giving up 30 pounds at least to either) but I still think Fedor can beat any of these guys.  You can hate on Lesnar all you want but I guarantee he would jump at the chance to fight Fedor along with all the other HWs in the UFC.  I guess I'm just disappointed that he is not coming because I really wanted to see him fight good fighters not tomato cans and has beens. 

Hopefully this is just a snag in the road but still sucks.

I have a hard time seeing Fedor as a pussy in this situation.  Maybe a bad businessman, but not a pussy.  Heck, if anything, Fedor wants to fight more - this is the guy that turned down contracts that wouldn't let him defend his sambo titles.  That says the competition outweighs the compensation in Fedor's mind.  That tells me that he's aware of his place in the fighting heirarchy and aware of how history will judge him, and says to me that he wants the best competition on his record.

Why that didn't override all the bullshit with teh M1 co-promotion is beyond me.  This really makes me suspect those M1 guys are Russian mobsters, and Fedor can't just walk away from the deal without being harmed - just like half the guys in the NHL in the late 80s and early 90s were paying big chunks of cash to local organized crime back home in the USSR.

Dana wants the fighter, just not the M1 baggage.  Fedor wants the fights.  But M1 insists on being part of the deal, and that has gotten it all sideways.

Just so you know, Dana agreed to letting him do the sambo fights. Big difference between sambo and getting punched by Lesnar or Carwin. 

I agree with your points on the russian mob and M1 but still think Fedor is being a pussy about this. 

The best competition on his record?  Who has he fought in the last 3 years?  UFC cast offs and nobody's.  If he wanted the best competition on his record he would be coming to the UFC for the chance to fight Coture, Lesnar, Mir, and Carwin.

I doubt he's a pussy. He might be a greedy asshole, but I doubt he's a pussy. I also doubt he fears Lesnar or anyone else. I think he's an asshole that wants baseball money. Remember that the UFC is after him, not the other way around. I'm sure he knows that Dana wants this fight REALLY bad. I doubt this is about his sambo championships and even less about the Russian mob. He's a capitalist to the bone and unless the UFC can come up with a shitload of guaranteed money, he ain't fighting. Douchebag yes, pussy no.

Strikeforce?

WTF?

+1 for once MM might actually have been right. Unless they offered him a blowjob from Gina Carano  before every fight. WTF?

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I'll take might actually been right!!!!!!!!!  First time for everything right guys?

Not really surprised, if he wasn't going to come to the UFC where else could he go.  I think it would be funny if he fights Bret Rodgers and gets knocked out.  But really, how long does Strikeforce really have?  We'll see him fight in the UFC eventually.

I'm pretty sure at this point that he's trying to make a definitive statement that he doesn't want to EVER play in the UFC. He signed on for the EA Sports MMA game title as well. It's not as if Dana hasn't been perfectly clear where he stands on that issue as well.

If this is in the contract, I'll fight Fedor twice tomorrow night. He'd need a team of bodyguards to stop me from fighting him at every turn. There'd be YouTube vids of me jumping him at the supermarket and nightclubs, then peeling myself off the floor and wobbling out like "I fought him again, Gina!  We're back up to fourteen!  C'mon and make with the contractual obligations!"

I think this might be the straw in the Fedor joining the UFC. Of course we all thought Kimbo would never join, but he's going through TUF, so you never know. Fedor on TUF 2010?

The only reason I think we'll see him is that Dana wants him to fight and like we just saw with Tito isn't afraid of hiring guys he doesn't like and that Strikeforce really can't last that long even with Showtime.  As soon as someone they have under contract fails a drug test they'll be gone too.  Then Fedor will have no choice in where to fight. 

So enough about Fedor,

Anyone catch the lead up show?  I love those things.  I thought BJ finally looked like he was training hard enough.  A well conditioned and pissed off BJ could mean a very bad night for Florian.  I will like to see how well Florian's Muy Tai holds up against BJ's boxing.

Would love to see Forrest beat Anderson just to give him the motivation to fight Henderson.  Probably won't happen but I think Forrest poses some problems for the Spider.

Jay - we're going to Gallo's on Bethel tomorrow night to watch the fights, interested?

Gonna buy me some beer for tomorrow.

In fact I think we were going to go to the BW's on Bethel.  My buddy lives in Olentangy Commons so Gallos is right there.

BW's blows, we went to the one in Dublin last fight.

I like Gallos, it's a pretty cool bar and they have good food.

Forest got pwned.

Penn make the beast with two backs yeah!

We just rewatched the Silva fight.  Man did he make Forest look horrible.  I can't believe how amazing he is at dodging punches.  The most amazing striking!

Good fight for Penn, pretty dominate throughout the fight.

Kind of glad that I am actually not to drunk to post right after the fight. ;D

Man, I used to love Forrest. But after watching him run from the ring after that embarrassing performance . . . pathetic is the only thing that comes to mind.

I know exactly what you mean. I held him in a higher regard than that. I expected him to be more gracious. Silva was awesome.... but his arrogance was a turn off. I think it's time for him to move up into the 205lb.

And Penn.... I'll be honest. I've been wondering why everyone kept calling him the "Prodigy" and a lbs-4-lbs contender. I've only seen him in his shitty fights until tonight. Now I get it. It seems every other fight he's a complete jerk off, with no training going in. People said lbs-4-lbs and I thought WTF I can think of half a dozen lightweights that are better, much less a top fighter period. Tonight I saw it. Tonight I finally saw his skill... the man has incredible body control, and uses everything. Great fighter.  [thumbsup]

^^^

You might just get what you want.  Silva told Dana last night that he wants to move up to 205 full-time.  Even plans to drop his belt to do it.  Only bad part is that for now refuses to fight Machida since they are friends and train together.  I would absolutely love to see a Silva/Machida fight.  Still would be great to see him take on guys like Evans, Rampage, and Hua.

Would also be a great move for the 185 class. Obviously no one at that weight ca beat him. 

I guess I have been watching a different Penn. He has won 4 out his last 5 fights. He lost to GSP in Jan of this year but hadn't lost since Hughes in 2006. His takedown defense is legendary. He is called "The Prodigy" because of his BJJ skills. He started BJJ instruction, obtained a black belt, and won the World BJJ Championship with about 3 years of BJJ experiance under his belt, an unheard of accomplishment. It would be like picking up a tennis racket for the first time at age 17 and winning Wimbledon at 20.

Forrest: Wow. Honestly the first time ever I wondered if a UFC fight was fixed. The way he flopped with that glancing strike? Then runs off to avoid the interview? Embarrasing.

I know that was my point. I don't get to watch every fight. Often I'm working or have different plans. The fights I've seen him in were the ones it's generally acknowledged he was unprepared and out of shape for. If those were the only fights of his you'd seen you'd wonder what the fuss was about too. It was cool to actually see him in the form he is generally spoken of in.

As for Forrest, it crossed my mind too. Still saddened.  :'(

Forrest - Game plan FAIL.  All that lead-up to the fight talking about how he's bigger and heavier and meaner... and where was the ground'n'pound?  There wasn't even a takedown attempt.

As for darting from the ring, several sites have stated that Forest went directly to the hospital to treat a broken jaw and check his hearing.  I think the second knock-down rung his bell pretty good.  When I watched it I thought it was a flash KO, and I was amazed he got up.  If that was the punch that broke his jaw, it's understandable that the last poke from Silva was enough to end it.

Ken Florian's GSP game plan lacked two things - 1) a fat BJ penn and 2) GSP's wrestling ability, strength, and 15lbs weight advantage.  The only real edge Florian could claim was Muay Thai, and when he leg kicked BJ he was effective... but he threw very few.  I only saw BJ check one, and the rest landed.  Gotta say that any time I'm matched with someone with better hands than me, I'm going after that lead leg like there's no tomorrow... good boxers get average in a hurry when they can't move forward.

///end Monday-morning warrior (kinda like Monday-Morning QB, only with an Affliction shirt...)

That would be ompletely understandable. I've been watching his twitter and stuff waiting to hear something like that. I'll be relieved to hear it was physical injury andnot poor sportsmanship.

what a weird knock out.  glancing blow breaks his jaw?

No I'm reading now that he was and is fine physically.  :'( Which means he was just a poor sport in a decisive loss against someone he thought he was going to run over.

I wouldn't have expected that from Forest. The last 2 fights actually made it worth getting. No one has mentioned the crappy under card, like the early stoppage and boring ass fights.

Ah, snap I completely forgot in the Forrest debacle. I'd been looking forward to finally seeing Amir<sp?> fight again. He'd disappeared from all but the promo's since TUF. I don't think he'd have lasted much longer but he was clearly getting to his feet when the ref called the stoppage. Complete BS and I was hot about that right up till the "knockout" then I forgot. Completely agree though DC after UFC100 the undercard at 101 was a snoozefest.

The one thing that I liked was that they showed a whole bunch of the under card. All other UFC's they would show previews and interviews as filler. Now, they played the fights.  [thumbsup] for more fights, less yap.

I thought that the UFC relaxing the prohibition on elbows from the bottom would help eliminate boring bouts where wrestlers planted their faces in the chest of downed opponents and worked the lay'n'pray offense, but 101 just proved me wrong.  Pellegrino and Almedia were real snoozers... but as long as judges keep awarding rounds based on top control, we're going to keep seeing it.




///not really ranting about judging.

It worked in the Diego v Guida fight. Top control shouldn't be awarded unless it is leading to offensive manuevers.

Supposedly only dislocated it. Still...ouch.

Chuck noooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey,  at leat he won't get knocked the make the beast with two backs out while dancing.

Don't like it but it could be good for the sport if they portray mma in a good light.

Musical icons like Donny Osmond, Macy Grey, Mya, Aaron Carter and Kelly Osborne will be on Dancing with the Stars Season 9. The sports demographic is represented by Michael Irvin, Olympic swimmer Natalie Coughlin, and boxer Chuck Liddell. The actors in the new cast are Melissa Joan Hart, Debi Mazer, and Ashley Hamilton - whose father George was a Season 2 contestant.

The rest of the Dancing with the Stars 2009 lineup has Iron Chef America's Mark Dacascos, models Kathy Ireland and Joanna Krupa, and snowboarder Louie Vito.

For Dancing with the Stars Season 9, things will be done a little different in mid-season, according to host Tom Bergeron. Three double eliminations will be held back-to-back at that time, while dances like the Charleston, the Lambada, the Two Step and the Bolero are worked into the rotation


http://tv.msn.com/dwts-season-9/photo-gallery/feature/?iv=0 (http://tv.msn.com/dwts-season-9/photo-gallery/feature/?iv=0)

Why are we talking about the lambada on an MMA thread?

I got $20 says Chuck Liddell can knock out Tito Ortiz using nothing but Lambada  ;D

Seriously...Chuck?!?!

PR move, get more main stream, work on acting movie carrear. Life after MMA.

I'm sure he's tired of getting knocked the make the beast with two backs out.

I hope he catches the old judge with a solid left.


///figure Liddel to walk in about 235, 240lbs... sweating like a piece of bacon under the lights...

Any prognostications for 102?

Other than Maia / Marquardt, not too many of these fights seem worth leaving the house for.



//////
FYI - any of you DMF'ers in Indy for MotoGP looking to take this one in, several places in town show UFC for small cover-charges.  Fox'n'Hound in Carmel and Castleton, and Hooters downtown come to mind.

Cheers.

I'm really trying to get myself worked up for this one too.  Just can't seem to get excited about it.  Could be that College Football is about to start.

Would have been better if Hammil hadn't of got hurt. 


Big Nog submits Coture in the 2nd.

Agreed, don't think I'm watching this one but am extremely interested in the Maia/Marquardt fight.  Maia's jits are crazy good.

I'll be camped out next to the track, so watching this POS card is not high of my things to do that Saturday night.

It might be crazy good but hard to work jitz when you get knocked out with one punch.  While it was a great win for Marquardt don't know if we really saw anything other than he landed a great punch.  Called out Anderson after the fight, good to see someone want to take him on. 

Man, I thought this PPV wasn't going to be that great and man was I wrong.  4 or 5 great finishes and an awesome fight between Nog and Coture.  Really good night of fights.  To those of you who missed it, do yourself a favor and catch a replay.

I find it interesting that Randy signed a new 6 fight deal with the UFC.  Who are they going to have him fight?  Maybe he'll drop down and fight Tito or Franklin.

I think he'd be better in the 205lbs. Top of the hill in heavyweight is Lesnar and I don't see that being competative.... then again I wouldn't have bet on him against T. Silvia either and he pulled that off.

You're right but he is also not good enough to fight the top guys in 205 anymore either.

Machida would destroy him and so would Rampage and Evans.

I would love to see him fight Hendo at 205.

.


Yeah, I was very surprised about that outcome. 

Agreed on how good the PPV would've been, but of course it was, I didn't watch it.

Honestly, I still like the guy and he says he's "a better fighter now than ever". However he did look a little slower and ate some shots I don't think the old Randy would have. I'd be surprised to see him get to the top of the hill in either division but I think you can find more fights in the light heavy wieght division just because it's stacked so deep. Sadly he end up fighting some old grudge style matches like this one with Nog and may end up in a gate keeper to the title position. Hope I'm wrong and he's super but I don't know, sad to see athletes not know when to let go before the final fade.

I agree with you on Machida... I don't think Randy has the movement to get Machida to the ground, which I think is the only place he could have success.

As for Rampage or Evans, I'd call either of those a coin toss.  Randy'd be the cagey vet, going against younger, less-experienced versions of himself.  Evans's speed probably makes him the tougher fight of the two. Ever since Rampage lost to Forrest, Q just ain't been right...

For my $0.02- How about instead of everyone changing weight classes every two months, we pick the eight usual suspects and have an Open GP like pride used to do?

I tell you what the middle weight and and light heavy classes need to watch out for that guy Gerard Mousasi.  That dude is make the beast with two backsing bad ass.  Wins the middleweight GP one month and then destroys Babalu for the Strikeforce LH belt.

24 years old with a 26-2-1 record.

Would love to see him up against Hendo, Silva, and Machida

I was there at that fight live. Guy walked in the ring like he was going to the grocery store, relaxed like it was an everyday thing. Smashed babalu without breaking a sweat then walks out like it was no big deal. Very impressive. Wonder how long his SF contract is?

Haven't seen him yet but the things I've heard make me anxious to see him as well.  [beer]

Babalu is not the same fighter

^^I get it, he's really not but Mousasi looks like a machine.  Reminds me of Silva and Machida in his awarness and manuvering.

WTH..Tito on FOX 10 news in the mornings here in Phoenix?!

whats he doing weather?

His moneymaker has her headquarters here in Scottsdale. 

What's with Franklin and these 195lbs fights?  I'm interested to see how he does against Belfort, but c'mon... if 205 is so deep, throw these guys into 205 and see if they can swim.

With Swick off the card, this one is looking as thin as the last one.  Dunno about paying to see Kos manhandle Trigg and Cro-Cop continue his slide...

Yeah.... I think I'm gonna take a pass on this one. I'd like to watch Franklin, but his chins been questionable in the past. Belfort has been known to have heavy hands. I think this could be a disappointing fight.

You'd think since this fight is going head to head with boxing that White would put on a massive card to try for the KO. Guess he's not really that confident of getting the viewers. Well he's not getting me, but it's not cause I'll be watch the boxing, he just put out to weak of a card to make it worth the price.

Anyone catch TUF last night?  I was surprised by how much Kimbo was not talking shit.  If that guy is serious and trains hard he could be good (not great).  His chin is still in question in my book (see Petruzelli). 

Rampage is a serious idiot.  Rashad seems like he is going to actually be a coach instead of a friend like Rampage. 

I think this is half the reason they brought Rampage back on as a coach, he's a character. Your right though, Rashad will actually coach. We'll see about Kimbo though. He can't be any worse than the two guys who fought in the first episode.
How about the fight night before the premier. Pretty decent showing all around I would say.

Kimbo: Other then him saying, "I'm already street certified..."  [roll] he should be interesting. I don't see him making it to the finals though.
Rambage: He's interesting but in the end..just a piece of shit. Anyone that leads the popo on a high speed chase, hits a pregnant woman's car, causing her to lose the baby, ought to be in jail.
Rashad: "How many times have I lost"? (while trash talking with Rampage) Uhh, once but Rampage has 37 fights to your 15. And he fought better opponets.

Q is a knob, but he's the only reason to watch this season.  Everything that comes out of his mouth is pure art.  He had about five quoteable lines already, and it's only the first show.  I agree that if you or I had done the shit that he did, we'd be in jail or dead by the roadside - the LAPD that stopped him must have been a fan.

Kimbo's hands don't suck, and he was training with high-level comp at Bas Rutten's shop... so if he's cured some of his ground issues he may be able to last a couple rounds.  I'd have liked his potential to improve a lot more if he'd have wound up with Rashad - anyone working with Greg Jackson has to get better (that came down from the mountain on that third tablet Moses dropped...).  As it stands now, I could see him getting smothered by one of the monster NFL guys and getting ground'n'pounded off the island.



////looks like I'm gonna nut up and go to the bar to take in tonights 'meh' card after all... hopefully there's extra bacon bits on my taterskins to make up for the lack of star power on the PPV.

As far as Kimbo is concerned, a lot of the guys on TUF don't have a lot of experience. His main fault was to be over hyped before he got a chance to builld real experience. If he applies himself I don't see why he shouldn't be able to pick it up in time just as anyone else would. He's already shown a great deal of humility in taking the beating from Seth and the lashing from DW. Then being a big enough man to set aside his pride and ask for a chance from the very man who referred to him as a chump 11ty billion times.

I think he's got such a huge target on him, I think he's going to get beat down. I hope he does well, I hope he keeps trying. He seems like a chill dude so far.

I didn't really know anything about Belfort until I saw the countdown show. Doesn't look like he's lost much in his absence/age and now adding karate to his arsenal. Who will he fight next?

Anderson Silva at 185. Could be a really interesting fight if it comes together... The Franklin fight didn't really show it, but Belfort's supposed to have pro-caliber boxing and movement.  Silva might actually have to use his full skillset and trade shots to win, instead of dancing away from another over-matched lout like he did in the Griffin fight.

I just saw Silva's name come up on another board. That would be a good one!

It could happen but Hendo is getting the shot first.  I think either Hendo or Belfort has the best chance at beating Silva. It at least keeps him at 185 and interested for another year.  Will probably move up after that but won't fight Machida which would be the dream matchup.


On a side note I want to see Silva fight Fedor.  From what I've heard, Silva walks around at 220 or a little more and cuts that much weight for each fight.  With Fedor only being about 20lbs heavier than a still in shape Silva, Silva would have his way with Fedor. 

Was the Henderson-Silva match confirmed? I'd heard the UFC wanted Hendo to fight Marquardt in a title eliminator, and Hendo was giving the UFC a hard time over it...

I agree that he's got a good shot at stopping Silva this time.  I think he won the first round before he got in trouble in the second, and I think he could do it again.

Belfort has never fought in that weight class... He's always been a light heavy. I'd be interested to see Silva and Belfort match up. It will happen as some point I think, but it might take a little bit. If they are smart, they will let it wait a little bit... that is.

Though Belfort is a UFC vet, he's been out of the UFC circuit a long time. During his in-ring post fight interview he said he was there to work - I'd like to see him in a couple more fights before they unleash Silva and Belfort on each other.

Personally, I'd like to see Machida and Belfort - I think it would be very interesting and same weight class

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/blog/cagewriter/post/Former-NFLer-Herschel-Walker-signed-with-Strikef?urn=mma,190906 (http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/blog/cagewriter/post/Former-NFLer-Herschel-Walker-signed-with-Strikef?urn=mma,190906)

 [roll]

47 y/o..

just starting MMA..

Herschel please!

So does Kimbo get KTFO by Big Country?

Speculation - no spoilers, please.

I really don't know about this one.  I kind of feel like Evans wanted to get rid of Big Country and wants to beat Kimbo early.  I have a feeling that Kimbo wins this one.  Looks like he is in great shape and like he's been learning a lot. 

The fight last night sucked!  The big dude could have had the English guy anytime if he would have just pushed it and walked forward.  His punches were landing and hurting the other guy.  Seemed like he was a big pussy and the leg kicks were getting to him.  (not to say that they don't hurt really bad just that he was trying to win a fight).

Also, what is up with Rampage?  Dude you're going to be B.A. I really don't see an acting career in your future.  I think he might be scared to fight Evans.

Big dude didn't have the fortitude to step through a couple punches to push his size advantage early on. Then he gassed hard, All James had to do was stay out of the punches and pick him off. He started destroying that leg early. Not a good fight IMOP, niether fighter showed a lot of gumption.

Kimbo looks like he's in shape... Big Country.... not so much. They showed Kimbo working on some defense which would be more than he had before. If he can slip out and keep it a one diminsional fight he maybe able to hold his own.

Rampage? WTF? He's rematched people who've hammered him in previous fights. He's fought fighters with a lot more intimidation factor than Rashad. I don't understand what he's doing but it's hard to imagine all of a sudden he's scared. If he is scared I'd be prone to thinking he's scared of something more than the physical, maybe he wants to go out a winner and is only going to take fights he knows he can win?

sorry..but it was discussed at the beginning of this thread.  

THERE WILL BE SPOILERS IN HERE!!


From the s/o.."How do you judge a fight like that?!  They both looked like p*ssies out there!"   [laugh]

The big guy didn't make a move.  The English fighter was running away half the time.   [roll]

Hoping the next fight will be somewhat entertaining.   

BTW..just saw Chuck on "Dancing...".  WTH was he doing?! 

I missed the show, but I've never enjoyed the heavyweights in MMA. They tend to lean mostly on the over weight side. If they get a nice pump in they'll know someone's head off, but they gas too quickly generally.

Yeah, those guys gassed last night about 1 min into the fight!!  [roll]

No, it wasn't discussed until the 23rd page of the thread when you posted fight results that you knew because of time zone differances. Why not until the 23rd page of the thread? Because we didn't have anyone post up results prematurely before then.

Should we click a UFC link just prior to a fight being aired? No. Do some of us use the "lastest posts" feature of the board? Yes. Is posting fights results the day after a fight has aired (aired worldwide) the same as posting fight results before a show has aired ? No.

So quit jumping people's shit that ask for a bit of thoughtfullness before posting up fight results.

Once again..


SPOILERS WILL BE POSTED!!

Relax, y'all... I now understand that some spoilers may be posted in this thread.  My n00b inattentiveness created conflict, and I apologize.

I have a tough time justifying my watching of TUF in the first place (it's about 5% MMA and 95% reality-tv douchbaggery...), so not knowing the fight outcome helps me wrestle down my own personal demons.  That's all.

I'll probably watch it regardless just to see where Kimbo's skills have reached and to see if Big Country has a gas tank to go along with that gut... 'cuz if you can successfully fight professionally with that body type, you can look for me to be training at Bob Evans.

Wait a minute here.  I'm the one that is supposed to get offended and pissed on this thread. ;D

Lets just call Lesnar a cock chest and be done with it.


I agree about TUF.  I'm about done with it.  After Kimbo fights I might only watch the fight portion of each show. 

Used to be TUF heavyweight could come right in and fight.  Now with the class as deep as it is. These guys would get there head knocked off.  I don't get how they come to the show out of shape.  This is their chance to do what they love and then they gas in the first round. Unbelievable!

LOL..no need for that whatsoever. 


Some just need to pull the hair out of their azz.   

Thanks for pointing out it was the 23rd page.  [roll] 

Now it's on the title just for y'all.
:-*


Anyway, with Rampage supposedly out of UFC..who will Rasheed fight at the end of TUF?

I wonder that too? After the last couple seasons they shoulda shown up ready to get in the cage first day. They shoulda had them fight onto the show same as before. The only reason I can think of for not doing that is a lack of quality heavy weights out there to choose from.

I agree with you there probably wasn't enough heavyweights to have 16 fights the first day.

I also think they didn't want Kimbo to lose and not be on the show.

That happened with the "Carpenter's" brother. All hype and he got knocked off the first day. Keeping Kimbo in the house would definitely be one of my top priorities if I was Dana. He probably knew that without Kimbo, people would not watch this season. Most guys worth a damn fight in lower weight classes even if they have to cut an obscene amount of weight.

What happened with Rampage, did I miss something?

Yeah, Kimbo is a huge draw this season for peeps who probably wouldn't watch it otherwise. I still like the show cause you get some idea of what kind of people they are. I had no idea how amusing Rampage was til after he did the show. I also don't tend to like arrogant pricks, so it's cool to get a feel for them before deciding to be a fan.

Ducarlos. Yeah Rampage is "retiring" because Dana didn't show proper respect for his acting career after he backed out of the Evans fight because of scheduling conflicts with his new movie. The A-Team.  [roll]

That's "interesting".  :-\

Watching this past week's show. That big guy sucks. When you take someone down, it nullifies your height advantage. He had 0 technic on his feet. He was tired half way through the first round. The other dude wasn't much better.

Another boring ass fight last night. I'm done watching the heavyweights.

I agree, 

Kimbo actually looked very good striking wise.  Fat ass Roy sucks my balls.  Funny how he was so cocky afterwards and Dana was so not impressed.

Not impressive at all... as noted on the show he did just enough to win and nothing more.

So they've set it up like Kimbo's gonna get another shot next week... I'll stay tuned for that.  I don't see it going differently, but I'll stick it out for another week.

Otherwise, I agree with the other comments... this season is bringing the dull.


///looking forward to Machida / Rua already.

I really don't think Rua is going to give Machida a good fight.  Machida seems just about unstopable right now.  Should be a nice knockout or submission though.

With winter time coming up hopefully they'll start pushing some better fights all the way around. From UFC to TUF it's all pretty dull right now.

Nelson fought a supreme strategic game.... and extremely dull. You may will fights but you'll never draw like that. Thus you'll never get the big money. People like to see some action, we aren't watching a chess match, we're watching MMA. Strategy is absolutely part of it, but his game lacked.

Lets face it, Kimbo was tagging him bad with some powerful (and quick) punches.  The dude had no choice.  If he fights like that in the semi's and doesn't win TUF he'll never fight in the UFC.  Dana hates boring fighters.

It's no secret that Nelson had to take it to the ground to keep his head on... but once on the ground he needed to do something beyond the paddy-cake punches he was delivering. He had a number of openings for legitimate submissions, that were little to no risk to his position - but he skipped them. Tactically he won... he even said he was going to win in exactly the fashion he did, so he executed his plan to a T... but as noted.. he'll never make top tier with boring stuff. So I guess we're all saying the same shit...

So, on to speculation. Let's assume Machida wins (I think he will) do you think they will toss Belfort at him or woudl there be a couple fights before Belfort gets a title shot?

From what I have read, Belfort is going to fight Silva next. 

Which weight class? I was hoping to see that match up too - just figured that it was less likely since one fighter would have to change weights

185 for the title which I think Hendo deserves a shot at first.

http://mmajunkie.com/news/16355/vitor-belfort-says-hes-verbally-agreed-to-bout-with-anderson-silva.mma (http://mmajunkie.com/news/16355/vitor-belfort-says-hes-verbally-agreed-to-bout-with-anderson-silva.mma)

  Keep your eyes peeled for this guy. (Black trunks)
 He's Steven "the predator" Williamson. A close personal friend and training partner.
He just won the southeast middle weight title last Saturday in this fight.

steven williamson mma fight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gu0s2WqWI4o#normal)

After watching the last couple weeks I'm not at all surprised Evans team is beating Jacksons team. I think  Evans is a far better coach. And definitley making a more sincere effort to train the new guys to be the best they can. I think Jackson just picked the biggest guys and expected them to win.

I'm done watching this season. I have not seen 1 even remotely entertaining fight.

Jackson said last night that he's no coach... and it sure shows. Every match up so far his guys have been out matched, and Evans guys received better coaching and support. If any guy on Jacksons team wins this season, he's pretty much won it on his own merits - no credit due to Jackson.

Probably the best fight will be if/when Evans and Jackson go at it.

On to real UFC,

So I'm pretty stoked for this PPV.  I think Rua is going to give Machida his best matchup yet.  Should be a war.  I didn't realize RUA is only 27.  If he comes back strong thats only better for the 205 class. 

Rodgers/Velasquez should be good too. As well as a couple of the undercards.

Anyone check out the lead up show?  Machida's training is ridiculous.  Watching him practice striking blows my mind.

(just funnin' around w/the whole 'SPOILERS WILL BE POSTED' biz...)


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[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]

I mean..uh..dammit Duck..no threadjacking!!  >:(


No way they drove that thing with those tiny brackets holding it up.

Lets ask Mr.Exact.."How'd they do that?!"

Glad it was well received.  [turns around & walks out of the thread...]

What's the latest on the fights? I refuse to go anywhere that charges a cover!

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

uh oh!!

Someone got robbed, but I'll let someone else spoil it.

It went to the judges and all three scored it the same way so you can't really say he got robbed. It was a pretty boring fight.

It was a boring fight. I will agree that no one dominated, but I saw nothing to give it to him. I'll watch it again to see if I missed anything.

(http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=ki-lesnar102609&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)

Lesnar news

And that was the best fight of the season? I can't believe I'm still watching this show. This has been the worse I've seen. It's a shame that one of these guys will have a contract.

^^I totally agree, how can you gas out when all you have to do while you're there is train.  What a crappy season.  Funny that the only guy who really impressed me is Kimbo. Once he gets better take down defense and better on the ground he could be good.  Might be to small to be a heavyweight though. 


So what do you guys think, Lesnar cycling off of roids?

He has to for his upcoming match.

He called in sick for that match days ago. It might go in January now.

Goes to show how much of the outside world I've been hearing about in my cage.

What happened? Weak ass comcast had no Spike for the last 4 days - it only came back today.

Basically Mitrone was beating up on Junk which was a surprise but gassed late in the first and didn't recover but Junk was gassed and beat up.  They slugged it out for two rounds but Mitrone was definitely the aggresor and landed more punches though some of them looked like he had fists of cotton candy. 

Junk couldn't flatten Mitrone late in the first, despite Mitrone's hands being at his waist and his jaw hanging open down to his chest.  Junk planted about five or six haymakers on Mitrone's open mouth, one after the other, and Mitrone didn't fall.  So either Junk is another 240-lbs heavyweight that can't put any weight behind a punch (paging Cain Velasquez... Mr. Velasquez, please report to the heavy bag...), or Mitrone is just a tough SOB.  Neither fighter had any impressive technique, and neither one implemented any strategy.  It was two guys that didn't like each other swinging for the fences, and doing a poor job of it.

The worst part of this episode was Mitrone behaving like a complete douche to his training partner in sparring.  This behavior should never have been allowed to occur.  I was pleased to see Rashad take him to task for acting that way, but furious to see Mitrone blow off Rashad's rebuke.  Rashad was 100% correct that your sparring partner isn't a tackling dummy and needs to be respected, and isn't there for you to blow off steam or feed your ego.  Had Mitrone gotten that talking to from one of my instructors and blown it off, he'd be out of our gym.

I'm going to watch the rest of the season and root for Big Baby.  He seems like he's genuinely pushing himself and staying above the douchebaggery.  He seems like one of the only guys that is taking advantage of the opportunity to improve.

interesting Lesnar article

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=dw-lesnar111709&prov=yhoo&type=lgns (http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=dw-lesnar111709&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)

Anyone taking in 106 this weekend?  I could care less about Griffin / Ortiz II, but Hazlett's usually entertaining and the Johnson / Koschek matchup may produce some decent moments...

It has to be better than the show on Saturday.

That Rumble/Koschek fight could end up being pretty good.  I'll watch it just because its a chance to hang with the guys. 

Looks like Lesnar is out of the hospital and doing a little better.  I hope is career isn't over.

I'm probably not going to watch it.

Yeah, it seems that White in his desire to be THE mma provider has over extended himself. There just isn't enough interesting talent out there that people know about to put on as many shows as he's been pushing. You need several strong headliners to market a PPV well. It seems like he's dilluted the brand trying to program opposite of everyone elses shows. If I could tell White one thing it would be to relax. Concentrate on one GREAT show every 5-6 weeks instead of a mediocre show every 3-5. Keep building the brand by using the up-and-comers with the older gate keepers in the free spike shows. Don't lower the quality of your PPV events though, if you need to space them further apart to allow multiple headliners by all means please do. I'll feel better about paying for it and be a happier customer. As it is I've gotten to the point where I only watch every third one or so.

While I agree,

This show was to have Lesnar/Carwin and everyone would be clamoring to watch it.

There are too many shows but A LOT of fighters are hurt right now for some reason.

Oh and GSP wants to wrestle in the olympics.

I know it was going to be one of the better ones in awhile, but what's it got now? If they had scheduled a few more headliners it would still be worth watching. As it sits now there will probably still be some good fights, but nothing I'd pay to watch on tv. I think a lot of fighters are hurt right now cause they are fighting a lot9more frequently). I could be wrong, but I used to work at a club that showed the fights. It didn't seem like they were on as frequently and it did seem like there were more big cards per event. This was just 4-5 years ago. It seemed like there would be a major light heavy and light weight bout along with some serious undercard action.

Anyone catch the Finale?

Man, Kimbo is really starting put this MMA game together.  That hip toss (or suplex) was awesome and he didn't let Houston bait him into pushing it.  Can't wait to see where he goes from here.  Though he weighed 212 for this fight and needs to cut down a class.  Dude would be a beast of a 205er.

I like Marcus Jones and Mitrione, Mitirione looked really good but I think Jones just has a super glass chin.

My boy Hammil showed so much heart with that dislocated shoulder and the beating Jones gave him.  I would love to see a rematch of this one.

While Roy Fat Country sucked at first on the show, his last two fights were pretty exciting.  He might do some damage in the HW division though I would love to see him get his arm torn off by Mir. 

Yes, entertaining fights indeed.

That throw by Kimbo... DAMN!!!!

"Big Country" is an azz but he has skills.

"Darkness"..er..Big Baby went to bed early.

Hamill.. was lucky the other guy threw those elbows on top of his head. He was on his way to losing that fight.
.
Couple of fights this weekend w/ Penn & Sanchez headlining. Should be good! 

+1

Sanchez looks hyper focused. Can't wait to see what he can do.

As long as BJ is actually prepared, he should be able to win this fight.

Like em both but I think Diego will take him. 

If "The Prodigy" shows up Sanchez has no chance. The only way Sanchez can win is if BJ didn't prepare for the fight.

Dunno dude. I will be rooting for Penn(but I always root against Sanchez) but he will have his hands full. Deigo may be a douche' but he's no joke.

This is a perfect fight for BJ, did you guys see the lead up show?  Sanchez "the YES nightmare" Is way to overconfident for this fight and BJ's new trainers are make the beast with two backsing intense.  I don't see BJ losing to anyone for a while if he keeps up this training regime.  Plus, Diego's never been in a five round fight.

Sanchez has walked into every fight he's ever had with the same confidence. I think BJ has the experience and talent to beat Sanchez. Like I've said before though about Penn. For whatever reason I have rarely seen him fight in the bouts where he looks good. That said, I've never seen him fight with the intensity that Sanchez has.

Win or lose, Sanchez still looks like a make the beast with two backsing lunatic when he walks to the ring shouting "YES" over and over.  Or maybe he'll do some of the "YES" Cartwheels he invented.

Penn is going to get taken down and then submit him.  Right after Kongo knocks out Mir.  The more that guy talks the more I hate him.

Yeah, Sanchez is a make the beast with two backsin' fruitloop no doubt. The first time I saw him doinf the "yes" deal I almost gagged. It is so typical of him, then it looked like he was waiting for the light of the Lord to fall on him with his arms out-stretched. Good-grief Deigo really? I kinda think it's gonna the way you said too. Sanchez is going to be pressing the action and an advantage when suddenly BOOM, match over when Penn sneaks a submission in from nowhere. That said, you think BJ is adjusting his game plan for someone as aggressive as Deigo? He's gonna take some licks, I wonder how chin is holding up. A lot of times when a fighter goes past their prime it happens fast. Look at Chuck Liddel and Matt Hughes, unbeatable for a long time then it seems they are prey to anyone.

As for Mir, Yeah after TUF I thought he was "ok". But His pre-fight interviews he's just insufferable arrogant and cocky. Two traits that I just really hate.

An interview of Mir that helps put his comments in perspective. I guess I can understand that better, I thought it was pure douche'iness. lol nice word.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news;_ylt=AvSAAZarylxZXQ6IiaEaXRo9Eo14?slug=ki-mmamir121009&prov=yhoo&type=lgns (http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news;_ylt=AvSAAZarylxZXQ6IiaEaXRo9Eo14?slug=ki-mmamir121009&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)

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I knew that beating was coming for Kongo but damn..that was quick!  I wasn't expecting the punch from Mir..just a win by submission.

Diego/Penn..boring!  Wish that kick would've come a few rounds earlier.  Lost attention after 3rd.  Agreed, those trainers for Penn were intense!! Have to incorporate some of those exercises into my workout routine. Diego..was wanting him to win but still like the outcome.  

The "near" knockout of the night..Buntello's punch vs. the giant.   [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]  Almost crumpled him but that kid could take a punch.  

Deigo got his ass whooped!!!!

And the only thing bigger than Mir's mouth is the execution of his plan. Holy shit!
I felt a little bad for Congo, I've heard he's a good guy in person.

Poor Guida can't buy a win, but he's always fun to watch.


Damn that cut on Deigos head is still running through my head. Anyone notice his head looked caved in after the fight lol. My wife and I have both been around him here in Alb. it's pretty f-ed up when the people who know you root against you. She laughed the whole way home.

Nope..sadly,The Carpenter , is just used for punching bag/stepping stone for the next fight.  Agreed..he always has a lot of energy being brought into the octagon!  [beer]

That slow-mo shot of the kick to Diego's head was bad!  You could see that gash form instantly!! 

Congo's antics in the pre-fight deserved that beating from Mir.  Yes, Mir talks a lot but he seems pretty intelligent.  Congo..I had never seen him fight before.  Meh..not impressed!

I'll just quote myself.  :)

People give Sanchez too much credit. BJ has only lost because he's lazy and to fighters that are considered to be show ins for the hall of fame. Diego is nowhere near BJ's league. Only way he had a chance is if BJ would have simple eaten twinkies and played xbox for the whole last month.

A couple of exciting fights coming up Sat night.

Thinking Tiago may take Rashaad

The other fight..submission specialist over the hard-hitting Brit.

If anyone is in the Scottsdale area..let me know.  We'll have some bar seats and big screen TV's to watch the fights.  Lots of scenery too!!  Also, the mechanical bull always has some "sights" riding it!!  [evil]

Where the heck was Tiago "The Spider" in the first two rounds?!  :P  He should've won that fight!   

Nice roll Dustin!  Reminded me of JCVD fighting in the Kumate.  [laugh]  Dustin looked like he had a good strategy until he got his azz knocked out!  I guess the Brit is for real!   :o

 

Shouda..Wouda..Couda  ;)

Anyone see the last Strike Force? I didn't waste my time, but I just saw highlights of Hershel beating down what some people called a human punching bag. Hershel looked ripped. It also sounds like Strike Force will pretty much allow any WWE wrestler into the octagon.

It was actually a pretty good show with only one decision.

Robby Lawler was getting destroyed and knocked the dude out with basically one punch.

Bobby Lashley looked good against Sims but Sims took the fight on short notice and was way out of shape.  Look for Lashley to be fighting some better guys soon to see how good he really is.

I thought the best fight of the night was the women's one.  Cyborg dominated but the other chick took some nice shots and kept on coming.

Girls seem to take punches better than guys. Very rarely do you see knockouts even in women's boxing. Strike Force generally does not put their freak shows against any good fighters. People will top watching once Lashley loses his first fight.

109 looks like a snoozer... I'm trying to figure out if there's a fight that matters on that card.  Maybe Marquardt?

+1

Not wasting my time on that one either

110 has potential... I think it's worth the price of admission just to see exactly how Silva will detonate Bisping's cranium.

I concur, but I think Warderlei has definitely lost a step or 2. This should be more evenly match than Bisping vs Hendo. I'm still on the fence on this one. I lost interest in all heavyweight mains.

Wow, the Cain/Big Nog match could be a great one.  Both of those guys have ridiculous chins and are awesome on the ground.

Nog is definitely not the fighter he used to be. He has great BJJ, but I don't want to see him play the human punching bag he was against Mir.

I wouldn't say he was a human punching bag but he has lost it a little.  Mir hit him less than 10 times.  I think Mir outclasses him in every way.  Caine does not.   Plus Mir was trying to make a statement to get the next big paycheck when he fights Lesnar.


Silva/Bisbing- someone is getting KTFO.  Hopefully Bisbing's jerk ass.  But maybe Silva getting worked could finally mean retirement and I think that would be a good thing for his long-term health.

Big Nog was just a bit behind Velasquez from the opening bell.  I'm not sure if he was out, but he sure didn't look like he was offereing any resistance to Velasquez's strikes from the mount.

Wanderlei fought about as strategic a fight as I've ever seen him fight.  It's weird to talk about strategy and Wand Silva in the same sentence...  If Bisping was going to out-point Wand, the one thing he couldn't do was get floored late in a round.  Sure enough, Wand floored him late in the 3rd.  Wand probably stole that decision with one punch in the last ten secods of the fight.  Bisping was pissed at himself.

Sotiroupoulos looked really good.  He's not ready to topple BJ yet, but he could muck up the top 155 rankings.

GSP fight coming soon?  How did the Brit get a fight with him so quick?

Hardy's a pretty good fighter. Saw him knock out Rory Markham a while back.
But like Anderson Silva I don't think anyone can beat GSP right now.

anybody heard anything about Lesnar lately?

GSP will roll this guy.  Hendo was looking like he might be able to give GSP a fight but I don't see anyone else being ready anytime soon.

Lesnar is training now and supposedly is back to his normal weight.  I just saw a picture of him a couple of weeks ago and he looked even more ripped than before. 

Because they had already decided Mir-Carwin was for an interim belt, Lesnar is just waiting for the winner of that fight to unify the belts.  Watch for Cain to push for a title fight soon though.  That guy looked ridiculous against Big Nog.