Pretty self explanatory, take pics of your guns and show us what you got!
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z178/dog142g/DSCF0350.jpg?t=1246068391)
Kimber Stainless II 1911 .45
Beretta 92FS 9mm
Browning Buckmark .22
Remington 700 .308 Heavy barrel w/ Zeiss Optics
Remington 870 Express 20 Gauge
That's just what I have at my house right now. The big arms room is at my dads place.
ummm...
I have a sword. can I still play?
Trey, something tells me we will be at the range a fair amount when you get here. Lon likes to shoot quite a bit as well...
This is my Kimber.
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z53/b_upton/Kimber1.jpg)
Got quite a few other toys, just no pictures of them...
Quote from: teddy037.2 on June 26, 2009, 06:23:31 PM
I have a sword. can I still play?
I've got a double-ended spear, a staff, and pair of short sticks. Used to have nunchaku but not any more.
Quote from: teddy037.2 on June 26, 2009, 06:23:31 PM
ummm...
I have a sword. can I still play?
I've got a CSA Cavalry Saber, so yes you can still play. You just have to mount a laser to the blade ;D
Quote from: DRKWNG on June 26, 2009, 06:24:48 PM
Trey, something tells me we will be at the range a fair amount when you get here. Lon likes to shoot quite a bit as well...
I think I'm going to wait to have my Kimber shipped down there. Paperwork and storage will be a pain until I can get settled into my place
Quote from: somegirl on June 26, 2009, 06:38:40 PM
I've got a double-ended spear, a staff, and pair of short sticks. Used to have nunchaku but not any more.
but... but...
you seemed like such a nice lady...
maybe it was all that bourbon warren was feeding us that night ;D
Quote from: zzilla on June 26, 2009, 07:05:53 PM
I've got a CSA Cavalry Saber, so yes you can still play. You just have to mount a laser to the blade ;D
mine's a tai chi sword... like green destiny! only... not held by angry chinese girl
Quote from: teddy037.2 on June 26, 2009, 07:45:38 PM
but... but...
you seemed like such a nice lady...
maybe it was all that bourbon warren was feeding us that night ;D
[evil] ;D
(it's all for karate btw 8))
Quote from: somegirl on June 26, 2009, 08:16:28 PM
(it's all for karate btw 8))
yeah, if I had stuck it out longer, we'd have gone into staff forms, as well as combative stuff.
well, more combative than what we were doing with swords lol
newest one:
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3333/3442972303_89e43b4fbe_o.jpg)
mitt
^very nice
Quote from: teddy037.2 on June 26, 2009, 06:23:31 PM
ummm...
I have a sword. can I still play?
Quote from: teddy037.2 on June 26, 2009, 07:45:38 PM
mine's a tai ni sword... like green destiny! only... not held by angry chinese girl but confused Asian boy
fixed
Dammit Ted..nobody wants to see your "Green Destiny"!! [puke]
BTW..you might want to see a doctor about that! Green isn't a typical color for one's "sword"
Quote from: IZ on June 26, 2009, 08:45:09 PM
Dammit Ted..nobody wants to see your "Green Destiny"!! [puke]
:-*
;D
Quote from: zzilla on June 26, 2009, 07:05:53 PM
I think I'm going to wait to have my Kimber shipped down there. Paperwork and storage will be a pain until I can get settled into my place
Why do you need to ship it?
I've heard that the paperwork process with registering handguns is a pain on the island. DRKWING or Teddy, any truth to this rumor I've heard?
It's not really mine (well, I suppose that I own part of it.)
(http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k445/majmontana/DSCN0161.jpg)
It's only a single shot and sort of an antique but it still fires one badass round.
(http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k445/majmontana/DSCN0160.jpg)
No one likes warning stamps on firearms but this one gets your attention.
(http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k445/majmontana/DSCN0165.jpg)
Quote from: zzilla on June 27, 2009, 04:58:26 AM
I've heard that the paperwork process with registering handguns is a pain on the island. DRKWING or Teddy, any truth to this rumor I've heard?
in order to buy, I had to take the safety class, and once passed, find a pistol to buy, take my affidavit (for passing the class) and SN of intended purchase to police for background check, and once passed, purchase pistol and take it back to police station to finish reg.
importing, I have no idea.
needless to say, I haven't found the time to bother buying a pistol yet.
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u291/enzo76/muscle_woman.jpg)
^^^^^^^
I'm surprised that it took this long for one of these to show up ;D ;D
Here is my stable:
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/jshoward11/DSCN3448.jpg)
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/jshoward11/DSCN3449.jpg)
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/jshoward11/DSCN3450.jpg)
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/jshoward11/DSCN3445.jpg)
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/jshoward11/DSCN3446.jpg)
Quote from: zzilla on June 27, 2009, 04:58:26 AM
I've heard that the paperwork process with registering handguns is a pain on the island. DRKWING or Teddy, any truth to this rumor I've heard?
If you are
buying a gun in Hawaii, you gotta jump through some hoops... as Zzilla experienced.
If you already own one and move here it is really easy.
I flew over with a Glock 40 (checked baggage, labeled & locked box).
Then I took it to the Police Station [leo], filled out some forms & payed a small fee. It took about ten minutes. [thumbsup]
I'm on the Big Island but I would think the law is statewide and doesn't vary island to island.
mmm.... USP....
that's the one that has me just about willing to jump through said hoops ;D
Quote from: teddy037.2 on June 28, 2009, 01:44:59 PM
mmm.... USP....
Which one you looking at?
I bought a Glock Model 22 back in 2001 and with less than 200 rounds, it jammed.
Trade it in for that USP-40 and decided I will never carry any other gun for my main self defense sidearm. That thing kicks ass.
I just picked up the .45 this past January from a friend. [thumbsup]
Quote from: cyrus buelton on June 28, 2009, 02:56:41 PM
Trade it in for that USP-40 and decided I will never carry any other gun for my main self defense sidearm. That thing kicks ass.
Don't you have to carry now to make comments like "I will never carry another gun..."
where do you hide that tank? What holster? It shows zero wear.
Not a big fan of the HK's though I carry a MP5 in my patrol car. I dislike the pistols mag release but I think this is mainly a 1911 based prejudice.
Right now I have the following:
-Wilson Combat CQB 1911 w/tac rail: My favorite, but an agency move precludes me from carrying it on duty. Hopying that gets corrected soon.
(http://www.wilsoncombat.com/handguns/cqb_ltr/large/5.jpg)
-Glock 36: slimline CCW weapon: It works but doesn't "do anything" for me.
(http://www.teamglock.com/Glock-Buyers-Guide/images-guide/Glock-36.jpg)
-Springfield Armory XD 45 4": Grip safety, holds 13 in the mag, no complaints other then the mags not dropping on demand 100% of the time. Current duty weapon.
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1092/1172399167_cc9b4659b2.jpg?v=0)
-S&W 342 PD: 5 shot .38 caliber back up. Titanium cyclinder. Nice and light and easy to conceal. No complaints.
(http://www.thegunman.com/catalog/images/swm342pd38p178bbl.jpg)
-S&W 686: stainless revolver, accepts .357 or 38+P rounds. Pull the trigger and it goes boom. Very accurate.
(http://www.olegvolk.net/gallery/d/9641-2/L_frame_06.jpg)
-Para Ordnace 7.45 LDA: no longer produced, just picked up from a guy that had one NIB in Montana. Para is swapping out the sights and installing a bobbed hammer. Then I am installing a magwell and some macarta grips. This will be my duty weapon until 1911's are approved since it's the closest I can get.
(http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/review/pix/Para_Ord_745_LDA_350.jpg)
-Ruger .380 LCP: Buying one of these soon as an alternative to the 342.Ultra thin and compact, fits in the back pocket better then a wallet. Extra mag is tiny. And cheap, $300 or so OTD.
(http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/images/Products/364L.jpg)
Quote from: cyrus buelton on June 28, 2009, 02:56:41 PM
Which one you looking at?
probably the 9mm, maybe the .40
obviously w/the bits to set up for a lefty :)
Can't find my stinkin' camera and am on a loaner computer, so here is a shitty shot of two of my "kids" taken with the mobile.
Here is my DMPS AR and my Springfield XD45
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3592/3669824045_65963565b3_b.jpg)
Missing: Ruger 10-22 (dad borrowed it) SKS
got a quesiton what is it with the glocks that everyone likes? sure they may work well, but the plasticy look really doesn't hold much "style" or craftsmanship to it.
the hk look a little bit nicer overall than a glock.
also what is the deal with the 1911 45 that you guys like? is it more for tradition?
Quote from: sbrguy on June 28, 2009, 07:49:10 PM
got a quesiton what is it with the glocks that everyone likes? sure they may work well, but the plasticy look really doesn't hold much "style" or craftsmanship to it.
the hk look a little bit nicer overall than a glock.
also what is the deal with the 1911 45 that you guys like? is it more for tradition?
Guns are tools. Looks aren't the main concern.
1911's? Reliable, accurate, durable, etc. Kind of hard to explain for those that don't "get" it. Sort of like explaining why a Ducati Monster as opposed to ______.
yes i understand they are tools and looks are not the main concern, but you have to admit that its part of the equation. sure you put alot of thigns before looks but i'm sure that the manufacturers are taking into account that the gun has to "look" right along with the function of the gun itself in order for it to sell. afterall there are many fine guns out there within the same price range, weight, etc. that would you say it then comes down to the sort of "intangibles" liek brand loyalty and such?
so would you say the 1911s are popular bc of the "tradition" factor afterall they have been around for so long, the reliability like you say, etc, are well known so for something that may "have to work" you always fall back on the basics?
sorta like you mentioned the revolvers you have, though they are sorta dated in technology in a way you can always fall back on them bc the reliability is there.?
i have to say the titanium cyclinder on the one gun is pretty different, have they made entire pistols everything out of titanium yet?
do you see the materials like carbon fiber ever being used on the stressed parts in the future? not just for aesthtics?
Right now this one is my favorite
with my 6x24x50 Brunton
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3652/3670932267_f2948a299d.jpg?v=0)
with my 4x12x60 ATN
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3303/3670932387_c4d454e736.jpg?v=0)
The true threat is not people, it is Rockchucks and Nutria ;D
Quote from: Statler on June 28, 2009, 04:58:08 PM
Don't you have to carry now to make comments like "I will never carry another gun..."
where do you hide that tank? What holster? It shows zero wear.
Yes, you do. Ohio has finally changed their law enough to where I find it decent enough to invest in the 12hr course and the money involved to be a permit holder, plus give up certain rights which I don't feel I should. Your license plate number is tied to your permit, so when you get pulled over, the LEO already knows you can/could have a gun. I don't care for that.
I prefer to use the Uncle Mike's soft style inside the pants/shorts option to carry. It is the thinnest holster I could find when I bought the HK and have used it ever since. Therefore, if you are familiar with this product, it wouldn't show holster wear as it is soft.
quite familiar with Uncle Mikes.
doesn't change my belief it never gets carried anywhere but in the living room.
Quote from: Statler on June 29, 2009, 07:00:32 AM
quite familiar with Uncle Mikes.
doesn't change my belief it never gets carried anywhere but in the living room.
That's fine, your opinion of how my guns are used are really of no interest to me.
Yeah, since I have been in Ohio (for the few brief times I was back in IN with my CCW), it has been in my house or transported to the range.
However, when I was a valid CCW holder, the gun was always with me or next to me in my car when legally possible.
Quote from: sbrguy on June 28, 2009, 07:49:10 PM
got a quesiton what is it with the glocks that everyone likes? sure they may work well, but the plasticy look really doesn't hold much "style" or craftsmanship to it.
the compensator porting on the barrel is a handy feature :)
*disclaimer* totally novice shooter speaking
but during the class, the best groupings I had on paper were shooting w/the glock
Quote from: sbrguy on June 28, 2009, 07:49:10 PM
got a quesiton what is it with the glocks that everyone likes? sure they may work well, but the plasticy look really doesn't hold much "style" or craftsmanship to it.
also what is the deal with the 1911 45 that you guys like? is it more for tradition?
I am not much of a Glock fan myself. I did used to own one, it jammed with <200 rounds so I sold it.
The Glock pictured in my post is my wife's; that was her birthday present this year. She grew up shooting on the Glock .45 platform, so that is what she is most comfortable with.
I am not sure of the 1911 obsession either. I know they are nice guns and from what I have read, quite reliable. I am just not a fan. I have shot them and didn't "not" enjoy the experience, just don't know if I would buy one or not.
I know lots on here love the 1911, so I am probably missing something.
I know former member Sinister is a big 1911 fan and that is his standard carry piece.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on June 29, 2009, 08:05:41 AM
I am not much of a Glock fan myself. I did used to own one, it jammed with <200 rounds so I sold it.
Every semi jams. If you sold a firearm simply because it jammed once you wouldn't own any firearms. That's why you carry two. "Two is one, one is none". A jam can be caused by poor quality ammo, dirty ammon, dirty firearm, or a limp wrist. That being said, I'm not a glock fan either.
Quote from: hbliam on June 29, 2009, 10:43:48 AM
Every semi jams. If you sold a firearm simply because it jammed once you wouldn't own any firearms. That's why you carry two. "Two is one, one is none". A jam can be caused by poor quality ammo, dirty ammon, dirty firearm, or a limp wrist. That being said, I'm not a glock fan either.
Can't the jamming also be a function of needing to break in? My s&w-made ppk jammed numerous times in the first 150 rounds. Since then, I've fired at least a thousand more without a single jam.
the gun was clean, I was only a clip or two into shooting when it happened.
Wrist was not limp. I believe I was shooting AMC or UMC, can't recall the name but i do know the box is yellow.
Regardless, I sold the gun and bought the HK, where according to some, it has been boxed and never used.
Quote from: swampduc on June 29, 2009, 10:47:29 AM
Can't the jamming also be a function of needing to break in? My s&w-made ppk jammed numerous times in the first 150 rounds. Since then, I've fired at least a thousand more without a single jam.
Yes.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on June 29, 2009, 08:05:41 AM
I am not much of a Glock fan myself. I did used to own one, it jammed with <200 rounds so I sold it.
What type of jam?
Quote from: kopfjager on June 29, 2009, 11:55:17 AM
What type of jam?
failure to eject properly, casing got caught in the slide .
Quote from: cyrus buelton on June 29, 2009, 11:58:04 AM
failure to eject properly, casing got caught in the slide .
Every semi I have ever shot will "stove pipe" from time to time. It is no big deal. It's nothing more than an immediate action drill. [thumbsup]
You would think that our friend Cyrus lives in Iraq. When I was there I did not feel like I needed a fortress to protect me. Anyway, I would have welcomed his arsenal when I was living in Miami.
Quote from: duccarlos on June 29, 2009, 12:07:31 PM
You would think that our friend Cyrus lives in Iraq. When I was there I did not feel like I needed a fortress to protect me.
Come on man, there are some rough 13yr olds that live up the block.
uncarried does not = unused.
I have no doubt Cyrus is a crack shot and unmatched tactical wizzard whose gun advice should be taken to heart.
I have the SS 50.
shoots up to 50 feet, undetected by metal detectors.
thing is nasty.
I keep one in my trunk and the other near my pool.
(http://tintee.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/supersoaker50.jpg)
Quote from: Statler on June 29, 2009, 12:20:22 PM
I have no doubt Cyrus is a crack shot and unmatched tactical wizzard whose gun advice should be taken to heart.
That's some nice baiting. [thumbsup]
completely honest. with a collection like that how could it be different? I am truly envious.
Never equated owning several guns to having a crack shot or excellent tactical skills. I just like guns and enjoy shooting.
I am a somewhat proficient shot, but I am not winning any contests/competitions.
If they don't know I have them, they can't take them, so no personal pictures. Just picked up a stainless 7.5" Vaquero in 45 long Colt last week. I bought one because I love shooting my bro-in-laws pair and I need some bear repellent for an upcoming trip in the Bob Marshall in MT. Next on my list is an XD....
(http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/images/Products/270T.jpg)
Quote from: angler on June 29, 2009, 01:42:48 PM
I need some bear repellent for an upcoming trip in the Bob Marshall in MT. \
that's a nice area [thumbsup]
Last part of the Rockies I haven't explored really. Flying in to Missoula and will camp and fly fish that side of the state for almost 3 weeks. Trying to organize a horse pack trip (maybe a week) deep in to the Bob looking for some dumb trout......
I have a couple of long guns.
Ok...I'll play
(http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff27/charlieff/IMG_1747.jpg)
First up my very first gun. Glock 19 with about 10 hi-cap mags. Later in its life I had ir done up by Aero-Tek. Ported barrel/slide, silver barrel, slide/mag releases. sub 2.5 # trigger pull, and a Docter halo-graphic dot sight. This is for range and competition use only. I can knock down 6 plate in under 4seconds with this thing. Second photo is the sight view. The dot is visible in bright to almost no light situations.
(http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff27/charlieff/IMG_1752.jpg)
(http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff27/charlieff/IMG_1772.jpg)
Next is my daily carry.And yes I have a LTC Class A Large Capacity here in Massachusetts. Glock 33 Originally it was a 357 Sig but I bought the 40 barrel for it and prefer that. Equipped with night sights
(http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff27/charlieff/IMG_1754.jpg)
Next is one of my favorites. Sig 229
This weapon is dead accurate. Originally it was a 357 Sig but like the above Glock I also have the 40 barrel for it. The 357 Sig and 40 cal use the same magazines.
(http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff27/charlieff/IMG_1757.jpg)
Next is a stock Glock 19 with night sights
(http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff27/charlieff/IMG_1761.jpg)
Next is a Para Ordanance LDA Limited. Nice gun... to big to carry concealed. I'm getting the front strap checked... its a tad slippery.
(http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff27/charlieff/IMG_1760.jpg)
Next is a piece that I got from my Grandfather. I had to have it refurbished. Hi-Standard Dur-A-Matic .22. Originally made in Conn and dates back to the 1940s. Still is pretty accurate for plinking.
(http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff27/charlieff/IMG_1758.jpg)
Now this is interesting. Dates back to about 1905-10. A Hamilton .22 rifle. Its in very good shape. I wouldn't dare shoot it.
(http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff27/charlieff/IMG_1773.jpg)
I'm to lazy to bust out the long gun. but it is sweeeeeeeeeeet.
JP Enterprise Custom AR15. 20" cryo barrel 1/9 twist, adjustable gas block, hogue pistol grip, flat top receiver, adjustable trigger assembly, and so on. This is me last year with it.
(http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff27/charlieff/AR15-1.jpg)
Nice!
At work:
(http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v191/48/77/500079039/n500079039_281232_4002.jpg)
M14 with 4x ACOG and Vital-2 infared laser
(http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v257/48/77/500079039/n500079039_498934_8448.jpg)
Mk-19 grenade launcher on the right. 40mm linked belt of 48 grenades attached
M249 SAW on the left. 5.56mm belt fed, belt of 800 attached.
(http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/75/l_4f55a80d737c6378c948ba5faac17529.jpg)
M500 12Ga Shotgun on the left, M14 on the right
Nice! [thumbsup]
Have you by chance been fortunate enough to fire a Javelin?
Quote from: zzilla on June 29, 2009, 05:48:53 PM
M249 SAW on the left. 5.56mm belt fed, belt of 800 attached.
Nothing like making a barrel glow red hot!
Quote from: cyrus buelton on June 29, 2009, 05:52:17 PM
Nice! [thumbsup]
Have you by chance been fortunate enough to fire a Javelin?
No, we didn't have the Javelin, but we did have the TOW system. They were afraid to let us have any missiles.
Quote from: Charlief on June 29, 2009, 06:18:37 PM
Nothing like making a barrel glow red hot!
We warped one of our M240 Barrels because we linked so many rounds together. They yelled at us....those meanies.
Quote from: zzilla on June 29, 2009, 06:24:27 PM
We warped one of our M240 Barrels because we linked so many rounds together. They yelled at us....those meanies.
Ya... I can see that happening. Thats why its always good to have a water hose near by! It's fun to watch the water sizzle!
These are the ones I'm shooting most lately, as they're what I find the most fun these days:
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3322/3674085744_06ae55d708.jpg?v=0)
The top is a cheap .50 cal Spanish caplock that's a rough approximation of a Kentucky Long Rifle. I've played with a variety of hunting loads and patch thicknesses have gotten it to a point that it's quite accurate with a round ball to 100 yards.
The bottom is a .22 mag single action Ruger Super Six with nice antler grips. Fun and pretty inexpensive to shoot a bunch.
Quote from: zzilla on June 27, 2009, 04:58:26 AM
I've heard that the paperwork process with registering handguns is a pain on the island. DRKWING or Teddy, any truth to this rumor I've heard?
Hey Trey, sorry it took so long for me to get around to answering this. With you being active duty, and already owning the weapon, all you need to do is bring it down here with you (you can actually ship it in checked luggage as long as it is locked and declared at the terminal) and then register it with HPD within five days of arriving on island. Do you know if you and the Mrs will be living on Schofield? If so you will need to register it with the Provost Marshal's office as well.
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c357/donkeynorris/woah.jpg)
Quote from: 13 on June 30, 2009, 04:17:48 AM
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c357/donkeynorris/woah.jpg)
That's precious. Looks like he's gonna shoot his brains out.
I live in South Africa, so I won`t be posting pics of my AK 47 ;)
any recommendations for a good marksmanship rifle in the $2k range? Looking for something with an effective range of at least 600 meters.
.50cal BMG
;D
funny, I was thinking of .50 and blowing up watermelons. that would be sweet. I saw this one yesterday, any thoughts:
http://www.50bmgstore.com/serbu50bmg.htm (http://www.50bmgstore.com/serbu50bmg.htm)
Stu, Mid 80s M1A built with GI parts.
With good ammo, read that as handloads not surplus crap,
I regularly shoot out to 600 yards with the open sights.
I regularly practice on an AQT targets which simulate a human silhouette out
to 400 yards, I usually score around 220 with my M1A and about 180 with my FAL
www.scribd.com/doc/3343274/QD-AQT#key2fp1xh3wmog75mb6pi2w (//http://)
10 rounds Standing in 2 minutes - possible 50 points
10 rounds Standing to Seated in 50 seconds with a mag change (load 2 & 8 or if your rifle doesn't allow that load 5 & 5)
5 rounds per target - possible 50 points
10 rounds Standing to Prone in 60 seconds with a mag change (same as above)
3 on first target, 3 on second, and 4 on last - possible 50 points
10 rounds Slowfire Prone in 5 minutes. No mag change necessary
2 on first target, 2 on second, 3 on third, and 3 on last - Double the score on this stage for 100 possible points.
Total clean score would be 250 points.
Quote from: VisceralReaction on June 30, 2009, 10:19:32 AM
Stu, Mid 80s M1A built with GI parts.
With good ammo, read that as handloads not surplus crap,
I regularly shoot out to 600 yards with the open sights.
Yep, a well tuned/shot M1A can be one hell of a tack-driver.
I learned how to shoot in the USMC- its the only thing I was actually good at (besides drinking beer). shot expert every time.
Joined the cub scouts with guns (national guard) and shot expert on their course- pop up dummies to 300/350 yards with no problem on the first try and had rounds left over. The timing was the tricky thing because the targets up close would go down faster than the ones at the back. But I got the hang of it.
what did you qualify expert with Stu?
Quote from: VisceralReaction on June 30, 2009, 01:05:31 PM
what did you qualify expert with Stu?
m-16.
unfotunately they wouldnt let me qual with the .45 because I was an avionics tech on Harriers.
stuff I did get to shoot:
M-249 (sweet)
.50 cal
Mk-19
m-60
m-203 grenade launcher for the m-16.
at-4 didnt really count because it was a "practice round"
The night fire was probably the coolest thing. Listening to the Mk19's pop and then the explosion a few seconds later.
Well it's a bit more pop shooting the M80 ball over th 5.56.
I qualify expert with my M1A. Never tried it with a smaller caliber.
The M80 sure raises the dust when you're prone.
I have to say for distance and in close I can't beat my M1A.
Hunt for a deal is all I can say and you're better off buying an older 80's model
made with GI parts than purchasing a new rifle.
Quote from: DRKWNG on June 30, 2009, 02:38:39 PM
mmmm... Me love some AT-4.
I like the SMAW-D (Shoulder Mounted Antitank Weapon - Disposable), It's collapsible!
(http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/d/d5/BB2Launcher-2.jpg/500px-BB2Launcher-2.jpg)
extended
(http://www.haborumuveszete.hu/rovatok/fegyverek/lo/smaw/smawd_hedp_rocket.jpg)
collapsed (and the missile's pointing the wrong way) ;D
Quote from: zzilla on June 30, 2009, 04:46:17 PM
I like the SMAW-D (Shoulder Mounted Antitank Weapon - Disposable)
I'm sure it is nice, but I have never fired one of these. Fired plenty of AT-4s over the last few months.
I just acquired a Beretta Tomcat 32.
Cool little gun.
I'll post up some pictures later.
This is for my wife to carry in her purse.
I love how you load the magazine and then flip up the barrel to add the 8th round, lock in place, cock hammer, set to safety.
Good to go [thumbsup]
Those little .32 hollow points look nasty.
When you get to the range, let us know how it shoots. They look like fun. ;D
i love ze guns.
My 22 is much like my Monster. (Modified).
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_4iYlZ1m8UEM/SbwF4eyNF7I/AAAAAAAAC4M/zg6fac0dRBQ/s800/IMG_1055.jpg)
The ol' East German Makarov, with Bubinga grips:
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_4iYlZ1m8UEM/SbwGxvD7-hI/AAAAAAAAC7c/GL5Al9EmWew/s800/IMG_1467.JPG)
Everybody needs an AK! (err... or several. here's one with the terrible chinese sling on it for decoration mostly. I have since invested in numerous slings to find the one I like)
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_4iYlZ1m8UEM/Scq8fqO_H0I/AAAAAAAAC9k/NLqmzgv0jq8/s800/IMG_1475.JPG)
The rest look like shotguns, 1911s, and zombie rifles. No need for more pictures.
registered receiver m16....
(http://home.comcast.net/~c.duarte/m16b.jpg)
(http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/5741/dscn0561o.jpg)
By cyrusbuelton (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/cyrusbuelton), shot with COOLPIX S220 (http://profile.imageshack.us/camerabuy.php?model=COOLPIX+S220&make=NIKON) at 2009-10-19
(http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/716/dscn0558x.jpg)
By cyrusbuelton (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/cyrusbuelton) at 2009-10-19
(http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/7286/dscn0557g.jpg)
By cyrusbuelton (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/cyrusbuelton) at 2009-10-19
My newest edition:
Glock Model 33: Subcompact .357 Sig.
Was looking for another larger caliber compact for the wife and I to carry, as we are taking our CCW class within the next few months, and we prefer larger caliber as primary weapon.
Got a great deal on this baby. Bought the extended clip "ends" which makes it easier to hold. Be interesting to see the kick on this sucker but from what the guy store guy said "I shot one once. Be proficient and stop shooting it."
Guess that is some words of wisdom. I bet this little guy kicks like a son of a pregnant dog
I didn't even know Glock made a .357 sub compact. I knew they made a 10mm, but not a .357. Not a huge glock fan, but don't mind shooting my wife's full size .45, so figured I'd bite and get another. I prefer my compact HK USP-45 so figure this will be her carry gun.
I also custom fitted a Hogue grip. Got it fitted on and then had to use a razor blade to make it fit properly. Really feels better with it on. Wife and I have larger hands, so we need a little extra grip size.
Enjoy.
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/jshoward11/1-1.jpg)
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/jshoward11/2-2.jpg)
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/jshoward11/3-1.jpg)
Quote from: cyrus buelton on January 14, 2010, 08:09:53 PM
I didn't even know Glock made a .357 sub compact. I knew they made a 10mm, but not a .357.
I have the 36. Subcompact slimline .45. ALso not much of a fan but the size makes it easy to carry.
Quote from: hbliam on January 14, 2010, 09:06:35 PM
I have the 36. Subcompact slimline .45. ALso not much of a fan but the size makes it easy to carry.
The 36 is the best CCW out there.
Quote from: ato memphis on October 19, 2009, 08:56:38 AM
The ol' East German Makarov, with Bubinga grips:
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_4iYlZ1m8UEM/SbwGxvD7-hI/AAAAAAAAC7c/GL5Al9EmWew/s800/IMG_1467.JPG)
Love those grips! Where'd you get 'em?
I've got a Bulgarian Mak. Fantastic gun, though finding ammo is harder and more expensive than it was when I bought it. :P
http://www.marschalgrips.com/ (http://www.marschalgrips.com/)
He makes them on the spot, and you can check your status. You have to be a "little" patient. Not as patient as a person would have to be to get a custom made 1911 holster these days, but it takes a week or two. Like everything else, there are loads of options, such as with or without commie star, checkering, wood, stain
Quote from: ato memphis on January 15, 2010, 05:39:37 AM
http://www.marschalgrips.com/ (http://www.marschalgrips.com/)
He makes them on the spot, and you can check your status. You have to be a "little" patient. Not as patient as a person would have to be to get a custom made 1911 holster these days, but it takes a week or two. Like everything else, there are loads of options, such as with or without commie star, checkering, wood, stain
cool, bookmarked that site.. I've been looking for a good source for real wood grips for my PPK/S. I love that little pistol, too bad .380 ammo is so damn hard to find. :(
(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r141/acalles1/1230082041.jpg)
Cyrus, I almost bought a glock like that from my cousin. I'm just not real into glocks. he said it has a healthy kick to it. I never shot it. Can't be worse then my PF9 with +p+ ammo [evil] :o
(it whacks the palm of your hand pretty good,it isn't comfortable but it isn't bad either and the fire ball :o )
Quote from: VisceralReaction on June 30, 2009, 03:48:06 PM
Well it's a bit more pop shooting the M80 ball over th 5.56.
I qualify expert with my M1A. Never tried it with a smaller caliber.
The M80 sure raises the dust when you're prone.
I have to say for distance and in close I can't beat my M1A.
Hunt for a deal is all I can say and you're better off buying an older 80's model
made with GI parts than purchasing a new rifle.
I've shot one of the early L.H. Gun Co./Devine, Texas M1As once, damn nice shooter. Wish I owned that rifle today! They were the predecessors of the current Springfield Armory M1A rifles. I hear the Devine rifles are quite collectable. I'm kinda a FAL and M1A guy. Sorry no pics. Anyone know some more about the Devine TX rifles?
I can't seem to find any hollow point .357 sig rounds. I've been to 3 gun stores and all are sold out.
Going to have to result to ordering online.
grrrr
Welcome to the current ammo shortage. You'll faint when you see the per box price!! [bang] Just be glad you aren't looking for .380acp!
http://www.ammunitiontogo.com (http://www.ammunitiontogo.com)
Yeah, I need to buy more 9x18 and 7.62x39, but I absolutely choke every time I look at how much I'll have to spend for a case. :P
I just had to share this for all the skeet shooters out there! [laugh]
giant skeet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZrFG4xvSoU#normal)
^^ [clap]
See, you do much better when you don't "aim" a scattergun [evil]
I picked this up this week end.
(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r141/acalles1/0117001107a.jpg)
1939 M91/30 soviet.
took about two hours to get all the cosmoline out.
They had a few with nicer stocks but the muzzles were all worn out, this one was counter bored, I took a flash light when I went to check them out and the grooves looked more defined then the other rifles.
came with a cleaning kit, a few leather ammo pouches, sling, and bayonet I can't get to fit, probably meant to be hammered on, brute force engineering the ruskies are know for [laugh]
I ordered a NO-GO head space gauge, just be be sure (I like my hands and face) but all numbers match so it will probably be ok.
$109 ;D
I have one of those 91/30's. Fun gun to shoot.
Too bad all the cheap ammo is corrosive com-bloc surplus. Means you have to clean it promptly, and well. :P
I agree on the bayonet. I got it on fully once, and it took for-make the beast with two backsin'-ever to get it back off. It's stayed off since. Don't have a whole lot of call for a pigsticker anyway, and it made an already ridiculously long rifle even longer.
Check out what the Ruskies used to do with these things! Called an 'obrez.' Talk about a wrist breaker!
(http://parrotheadjeff.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/mosin_pistol.jpeg)
Aaaannnnndddd found a video!
Mosin Nagant 91/30 (NFA, SBR) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNFsUvh078I#noexternalembed-normal)
My brother just bought an 7.62 AR for hunting hogs. Going to visit him up in Georgia in a few months to try it out.
Quote from: duccarlos on January 18, 2010, 12:41:04 PM
My brother just bought an 7.62 AR for hunting hogs. Going to visit him up in Georgia in a few months to try it out.
That seems like a rather odd purchase for hog hunting.........
From what I have heard, AR's aren't very accurate, but all depends on the manufacturer.
Lots of other options out there.
He groups them pretty well at 100 yards with it.
Quote from: duccarlos on January 18, 2010, 12:51:48 PM
He groups them pretty well at 100 yards with it.
I guess you can pepper the shit out of it if you miss the first time.
Just never thought of an AR as a hunting gun.
My bad, read AR and thought AK.
So he bought an AR-16?
or am I wrong on the number?
Don't see too many AR's chambered in 7.62
AR variants can be damn accurate! All depends on the QC of manufacture, and how you have them set up.
Oh. Neb'mind.
I guess I'll play too.
Argentine made Colt 1911 (made in '43)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/900rider/Sistema%201911/1911001.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/900rider/Sistema%201911/1911002.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/900rider/Sistema%201911/1911004.jpg)
My first pistol :)
Nice!
That's much nicer looking than my Argentine 1911.
Mine has a longer, spur hammer that pinches my hand, and makes me bleed. Not a fan. :P
Go back to the original hammer?
Or perhaps consider one of those extended grip safeties that keep your hand from being bitten?
Quote from: cyrus buelton on January 18, 2010, 12:57:18 PM
My bad, read AR and thought AK.
So he bought an AR-16?
or am I wrong on the number?
Don't see too many AR's chambered in 7.62
AR-15?
They come in tons of calibers now including 7.62x39.
No one gets between me and my AK.
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_4iYlZ1m8UEM/Scq8fqO_H0I/AAAAAAAAC9k/NLqmzgv0jq8/s800/IMG_1475.JPG)
Got fresh wood awhile back with bulged handguards and lightening grooves in the stock.
These are my two favorites at the moment.
The M4:
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z53/b_upton/Guns/DSC_0003-2.jpg)
And the .45:
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z53/b_upton/Guns/Kimber1.jpg)
Got a few others laying around the house, but these are my go to guns.
I have a Kimber 1911. Love it. Ambi safety broke on me in the first month. I was incredibly angry, but replaced it with a more robust Ed Brown, and have replaced a few other parts on it over the years with some better components and the gun is a real tack driver, despite its 4" barrel limitations.
I think wheel guns are the next segment of the world of firearms that I'm going to get learned on. Or maybe make the double barrel gatling 10/22. [laugh]
Quote from: ato memphis on January 18, 2010, 01:47:34 PM
AR-15?
They come in tons of calibers now including 7.62x39.
I just thought they weren't called AR-15's by model.
Then again, I am not too familiar with them outside of AR-15 being chambered in 5.56mm
I think its much like I may say I have a few AK-47s, though they are not. They are AK-47 patterned semi-automatic sporting rifles from various countries.
Quote from: zarn02 on January 18, 2010, 12:27:51 PM
I have one of those 91/30's. Fun gun to shoot.
Too bad all the cheap ammo is corrosive com-bloc surplus. Means you have to clean it promptly, and well. :P
I agree on the bayonet. I got it on fully once, and it took for-make the beast with two backsin'-ever to get it back off. It's stayed off since. Don't have a whole lot of call for a pigsticker anyway, and it made an already ridiculously long rifle even longer.
Check out what the Ruskies used to do with these things! Called an 'obrez.' Talk about a wrist breaker!
(http://parrotheadjeff.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/mosin_pistol.jpeg)
holy geebus. thats nuts. Fire ball in the vid was awesome.
you can't even aim it...
I wonder if they make rat shot in 7.62x54r [laugh]
yeah, I thought it would be cool to stick the bayonet on just to check it out, plus I heard these things were sighted in with the bayonet on and shoot different with them off.
if I'm happy with its iron sight performance I might get a scope mount and different bolt lever to see what it can really do, but I'm not expecting much (my other baby is my HMR that even with my poor skilz and cheap scope will shoot about 1" at 100 yards laser of a rifle.. I usually take paint balls to shoot at when I take it to the range)
I'll take some 1gal milk containers filled with ice when I take the mosin to the range [evil]
(http://catie.smugmug.com/photos/767958352_33SSa-M.jpg)
[laugh]
What's the 47 for in AK-47?
1947.
Then there's this:
(http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0905/violin-gun-demotivational-poster-1243668014.jpg) (http://www.motifake.com/violin-gun-demotivational-poster-58762.html)
Quote from: Monsterlover on January 18, 2010, 04:21:06 PM
[laugh]
What's the 47 for in AK-47?
The year that the weapon was designed. Mikhail Kalashnikov designed the weapon while in 1947.
AK stands for Avtomat Kalashnikova - automatic and the inventor's name; AK-74 was the revamping (1974). There are other numbers and designations as well, an example might be the AKS; it was the folding model.
If you are in the market, a stamped receiver is 'fine' (most obvious by its big rivets through it). You 'want' a milled one. Just like motorcycle parts, you want the machined parts over the stamped or cast, etc. ;)
Quote from: cyrus buelton on January 18, 2010, 02:31:58 PM
I just thought they weren't called AR-15's by model.
Then again, I am not too familiar with them outside of AR-15 being chambered in 5.56mm
AR-15 with the 7.62 upper with iron sights. He wants to get a relatively cheap ACOG scope, but the cheapest 2X are still in the $1000 range. In Georgia hog hunting is huge. There's a guy that hunts them using a thermal scope.
Maybe I'll photograph my Saiga later.
Only gun I haven't posted pictures of.
Here is my ultimate home defense gun.
Saiga which is 922r compliant, so I can have the hi-cap magazines, change out the stock, etc. etc.
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/jshoward11/DSC_0427.jpg)
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/jshoward11/DSC_0423.jpg)
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/jshoward11/DSC_0424.jpg)
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/jshoward11/DSC_0425.jpg)
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/jshoward11/DSC_0426.jpg)
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/jshoward11/DSC_0429.jpg)
Time to get the tromix brake and drum magazine! Very cool gun [thumbsup]
Quote from: ato memphis on January 19, 2010, 01:20:51 PM
Time to get the tromix brake and drum magazine! Very cool gun [thumbsup]
1. What is the tromix brake?
2. Got 300$ to send?
1.)
(http://www.tromix.com/images/saiga-parts/Shark.jpg)
2.) Ha! Hardly!
Have a good time: http://www.tromix.com/saiga.htm (http://www.tromix.com/saiga.htm)
Quote from: cyrus buelton on January 19, 2010, 04:17:07 PM
1. What is the tromix brake?
2. Got 300$ to send?
(http://www.tromix.com/images/S02-16inchwt.gif)
Saiga 12 gauge Full Auto (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K-heFRwuWs#normal)
Quote from: ato memphis on January 19, 2010, 04:21:32 PM
1.)
(http://www.tromix.com/images/saiga-parts/Shark.jpg)
2.) Ha! Hardly!
Have a good time: http://www.tromix.com/saiga.htm (http://www.tromix.com/saiga.htm)
Already planning a new stock. I like M4 style telescoping ones.
What will that muzzle break give me?
+7.75 scary points
+2 close range melee attack points
Quote from: ato memphis on January 19, 2010, 04:40:48 PM
+7.75 scary points
+2 close range melee attack points
WTF does that mean?
I have 00 Buck and Slug alternated in my 10rnd mag, same in my 5rnd.
If I have to use more than my 10rnd, I am make the beast with two backsed and should have grabbed the AR-15 with my 30rnd mags coupled.
i was trying to channel your inner advanced dungeons and dragons / world of warcraft character. apparently its all the rage with lots of society now. the brake, well...its good for poking 'targets' to make sure they are "done".
Quote from: ato memphis on January 19, 2010, 05:04:01 PM
i was trying to channel your inner advanced dungeons and dragons / world of warcraft character. apparently its all the rage with lots of society now. the brake, well...its good for poking 'targets' to make sure they are "done".
Ahh, I got you.
I don't have time for those games.
I think a few 00 Buck's and Slugs will do the deal.
In that 10rnd mag I have 00 Buck, Slug, 00 Buck Slug, etc.
If I can't take care of business with 10rnds of that combo...........I should have grabbed my AR.
I use a reduced recoil 00 buck in my pistol grip pump, i think it may be alternated with 'personal defense 00 buck', but that's just because it holds more than 5 shells, so i bought a box o' each.
Quote from: ato memphis on January 19, 2010, 05:20:26 PM
I use a reduced recoil 00 buck in my pistol grip pump, i think it may be alternated with 'personal defense 00 buck', but that's just because it holds more than 5 shells, so i bought a box o' each.
I just ordered off of gun broker a telescoping stock for my Saiga.
I have those on my AR, 870 Express, and now my Saiga.
Prefer to keep my personal defense guns all with the same style stock and feel.
I have no interest in turning a semi-auto 12gauge 10rnd "shot gun" into a pistol grip.
I dislike pistol grips to begin with; yes, I have shot several, even some illegal with shorter barrels and just dont feel like I have any control.
but then again, if you are shooting 00 buck, do you really need accuracy?
Mine came that way, I didn't change it to that. I personally would rather have pistol grip + stock. (telescoping is nice as well). I just haven't bothered to change it, with the hogue stuff it came with, it feels "good enough", and I hit the paper all the way out to distances i shouldn't ever need a bedroom shotgun for.
Quote from: ato memphis on January 19, 2010, 05:27:39 PM
Mine came that way, I didn't change it to that. I personally would rather have pistol grip + stock. (telescoping is nice as well). I just haven't bothered to change it, with the hogue stuff it came with, it feels "good enough", and I hit the paper all the way out to distances i shouldn't ever need a bedroom shotgun for.
1. AR had telescoping as it is an M4
2. Modified my 870 Express to a telescoping stock and a hand grip on the slide. make the beast with two backs, you can rack that sucker quick
3. Modifying Saiga to have same style stock as the rest for ease of consistency.
I was a tactical shotgun instructor for eleven years at a shooting academy. Took many, many classes from Clint Smith (Thunder Ranch), Louis Awerbach (Yavapia Firearms Academy), John Farnham (Defense Training International, Inc.) and many others. I wouldn't recommend mixing your scattergun ammo. Stick to a tactical buckshot round (3" isn't necessary) or straight slug rounds (Awerbach's choice) in your weapon. Even birdshot or #4 buckshot is extremely effective in close quarters situations. Just saying... do what you want. [thumbsup] I always liked telling my classes don't bring your 9mm to my shotgun fight. [laugh]
Quote from: ato memphis on January 19, 2010, 04:40:48 PM
+7.75 scary points
+2 close range melee attack points
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Quote from: cyrus buelton on January 19, 2010, 05:24:08 PM
I dislike pistol grips to begin with; yes, I have shot several, even some illegal with shorter barrels and just dont feel like I have any control.
Different tools for different jobs. I used to never be a big fan of shorty shotguns until I needed one, and just happened to have one handy. We had at least one 870 (standard length magazine tube with barrel cut down to the limit) in each of our trucks while in Afghanistan as a last resort attitude adjuster (i.e. make the beast with two backs you hajji). You'd be surprised how easy those are to manipulate during VERY close quarters needs. Just a bit loud though. ;)
THIS IS MY BOOM STICK
Anyone here into 10/22's? Post some pics if you got them.
I currently have two. One is mine and the other belongs to my 13 year old daughter. She's had it since she was 9. I've got both of them modified to look like something they are not. Both run bull barrels and other goodies. I'll post up some pics once I get a chance.
I would love to take my daughter camping with our 10/22's and do some varmint hunting. I don't know much about hunting and would not know where to start.
Post up your Ruger's!
Quote from: ICON on January 20, 2010, 12:49:47 PM
Anyone here into 10/22's? Post some pics if you got them.
I currently have two. One is mine and the other belongs to my 13 year old daughter. She's had it since she was 9. I've got both of them modified to look like something they are not. Both run bull barrels and other goodies. I'll post up some pics once I get a chance.
I would love to take my daughter camping with our 10/22's and do some varmint hunting. I don't know much about hunting and would not know where to start.
Post up your Ruger's!
I've got one, but not really modified at all.
I have a bi-pod on it, a few 25 round magazines, and a scope.
But if you want, I can snap some photos later.
My first gun was a 10/22.
Here's what its replacement looks like now:
(https://lh5.ggpht.com/_4iYlZ1m8UEM/SbwF0Rt_Q1I/AAAAAAAAC3w/cFWKY5gjb9Y/s800/IMG_1052.jpg)
The brake is totally for giggles.
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_4iYlZ1m8UEM/SbwF4eyNF7I/AAAAAAAAC4M/zg6fac0dRBQ/s800/IMG_1055.jpg)
Nice Ruger there ATO..
I've always really been into rimfires.. but I have never owned a 10/22.. wanted to, thought about it but something else always draws me to not buying a 10/22...
any way, another one of my favorites.
(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r141/acalles1/34933B3A3B467Ffp583Dot3E23563D3B653.jpg)
1930 DWM .30 Luger.
It may not have high capacity or anything modern, but it has a certain elegance about the way it shoots, its just smooth and the trigger is excellent.
I wonder why no one ever expanded or modernized the toggle locking mechanism. I think its great..
The 10/22 is a great 'hobbyists' gun. Like the Monster, there are tons of 'bolt-on' upgrades available. And for far cheaper than the AR counterparts. I've done a good bit of work to the trigger group, stock, scope mount, barrel, and bolt. I think I'm really only missing a nice bipod to finish it off.
I may frankenstein its receiver and replace it with a billet receiver with the rear cleaning hole. They look great and it would really take the platform up a notch. That, and I'd have one of the two receivers needed to make the 10/22 gatling. [laugh]
Quote from: acalles on January 20, 2010, 02:59:16 PM
any way, another one of my favorites.
(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r141/acalles1/34933B3A3B467Ffp583Dot3E23563D3B653.jpg)
1930 DWM .30 Luger.
It may not have high capacity or anything modern, but it has a certain elegance about the way it shoots, its just smooth and the trigger is excellent.
I wonder why no one ever expanded or modernized the toggle locking mechanism. I think its great..
looks nice, but it has a good trigger? I've had a few lugers, and they all had horrible triggers.
(http://i381.photobucket.com/albums/oo256/Crazy_Horse_1877/IMG_0857.jpg)
(http://i381.photobucket.com/albums/oo256/Crazy_Horse_1877/IMG_0873.jpg)
Remington Model 700 VLS Varminters in .22-250 and .223, respectively.
I also own a Glock .40 Model 22, a pre-64 Model 70 Winchester featherweight in 30.06, and a Hi Standard competition match pistol in .22LR.
That featherweight's got some punch! I have one too. Sweet rifle.
Quote from: rgramjet on January 22, 2010, 04:33:28 PM
That featherweight's got some punch! I have one too. Sweet rifle.
You got that right--it'll knock the hat right off your head.
Quote from: cduarte on January 20, 2010, 03:13:11 PM
looks nice, but it has a good trigger? I've had a few lugers, and they all had horrible triggers.
Its no target pistol, and its not the trigger my k22 masterpiece has (which is a excellent target pistol), but for being a 1930 made combat pistol designed in 1900, its pretty good, breaks clean, doesn't creep and is more then light enough for its intended use.
were yours mauser or DWM?
all the lugers I had were mauser ww2, one was a byf41, can't remember the others.
My most recent purchase:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/zarn02/amd65.jpg)
Despite the shorter barrel, accuracy doesn't seem to be noticeably worse than my full-length Romanian AK. The two-stage trigger is nicer, as well, without the snap of the Romanian's single-stage.
What's "creep?"
Quote from: Monsterlover on January 23, 2010, 01:24:07 PM
What's "creep?"
slack in the trigger before it engages the firing mechanism. firearms meant for accuracy have none or very little.
I took my mosin nagant out today for the first time..
it was starting to snow so I didn't wanna stay too long but [evil] its kind of a beast.
for some reason it is pretty hard to cycle the bolt, the fired shell is sticking in the chamber.. but I measured them after and I don't see a whole lot of expansion. don't know why it would do that. ???
Quote from: acalles on January 23, 2010, 02:07:59 PM
for some reason it is pretty hard to cycle the bolt, the fired shell is sticking in the chamber.. but I measured them after and I don't see a whole lot of expansion. don't know why it would do that. ???
I've had this happen with my Mosin. Varies from cartridge to cartridge, so at least in my case I'm guessing that shoddy east-bloc quality control is to blame.
Quote from: Monsterlover on January 23, 2010, 01:24:07 PM
What's "creep?"
Quote from: acalles on January 23, 2010, 02:07:59 PM
slack in the trigger before it engages the firing mechanism. firearms meant for accuracy have none or very little.
I think there's more to it than that. I think of the trigger as having four distinct movements, or actions, only one of which is the 'bang-switch' movement:
1. Pre-travel or take-up. The movement before the trigger is doing any meaningful work in releasing the hammer/firing mechanism. Even my high end triggers have this to some degree and I don't think it affects my accuracy.
2. Creep. Things are beginning to move in the trigger group, but its a somewhat vague feeling, I'm applying pressure and things are travelling, but its not a movement you want. Gritty feeling creep is the worse.
3. Break. Crisp 'snap' feeling where the trigger sets everything into motion - the hammer/etc is at this point free, kaboom occurs.
4. Over-travel. The amount of movement after the meaningful break occurs that the trigger move. The bullet has fired, but the trigger can still move farther backwards.
That's a very general description of how it works, as I think about it, without naming specific parts of a firing group, as that varies from gun to gun. #3 is the most important, and you want as little of #2 as possible. I also am not a fan of very much #4, and that's quite easily adjusted on several firearms.
here's my latest... colt 1911 made in 1918, all original and correct with holster and belt.
(http://home.comcast.net/~c.duarte/1911c.jpg)
(http://home.comcast.net/~c.duarte/1911d.jpg)
Quote from: zarn02 on January 23, 2010, 01:23:55 PM
...without the snap of the Romanian's single-stage.
I freakin' hate the trigger slap of many of the AK variants (WASR and MISR). I believe its on the disconnector, a person can dremel of the back extraneous portion that is absent on the higher end firing groups. Or get a Tapco kit, which is inexpensive and cures the problem without you having to do any work yourself. Done this on two of the Maadis, and its made them loads more fun to shoot.
Ok, here is the Saiga 12gauge with my current round of mods:
1. Telescoping M4 style stock (easy to remove stock, took some drilling to install current)
2. Replaced forend with an aftermarket piece that has 3 sides of picany rails (as you can see I used the underside one for a handle, which I had on hand)
3. Quick detach mount with picany rails for a scope. I put a Tasco red dot on it, well, just because I wanted to.
4. I bought a remington sling for 9$ at walmart which seems great. Just need to mod out a piece on the pack so it clips on. A key chain "holder" seems to be the ticket.
Enjoy my ultimate home defense weapon. If I need more than 10 semi auto 00 buck shots, I should have grabbed my AR-15.
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/jshoward11/DSC_0145.jpg)
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/jshoward11/DSC_0146.jpg)
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/jshoward11/DSC_0147.jpg)
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/jshoward11/DSC_0148.jpg)
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/jshoward11/DSC_0149.jpg)
you need to shorten that barrel...
Quote from: cduarte on January 25, 2010, 01:09:56 AM
you need to shorten that barrel...
+1
(or should that be -1?)
Would totally love to shorten the barrel, but I don't want to hassle with all the paperwork to get less than an 18in barrel.
I'd rather with hassling getting a silencer for my M4
How far above 18" is it now? If its 20", I'd cut off 3.25-3.5" and thread the end. That puts you within the allowable length, and provides you with the opportunity to put a more persuasive end on it. Also, modding things is fun.
here's my addition. i have 2 other glocks that are not in the pic, 19 n 22. one of the 9mm in the pic below is the bf's.
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x218/kahokulani50/new.jpg)
Some nice hardware in this thread!
I shoot skeet, trap and sporting clays with my Beretta 682 Gold E sporting. Nothing fancy or particularly unique but it's a versatile shotgun (adjustable comb, interchangeable chokes), has really good balance, and I can shoot it all day without getting too tired.
-edited-
:)
Quote from: ato memphis on January 25, 2010, 02:49:32 PM
How far above 18" is it now? If its 20", I'd cut off 3.25-3.5" and thread the end. That puts you within the allowable length, and provides you with the opportunity to put a more persuasive end on it. Also, modding things is fun.
It is currently 18" which I believe is the federal law on barrel length, isn't it?
Let's not go there guys....please.
Quote from: ducpainter on January 26, 2010, 05:41:24 AM
Let's not go there guys....please.
I don't believe we were going anywhere.
I think we were just talking legality of barrel length.
I think that warning was for my post. Sorry. Edited.
:)
Quote from: ducpainter on January 26, 2010, 05:41:24 AM
Let's not go there guys....please.
my bad, missed what Markus posted.
@Cyrus Buelton:
I didn't realize it was already just 18ish. It appeared to be closer to 20 or 21".
18" is the limit. Most barrels are 18.5" from the manufacturers. I "believe" this is because of the inspection method used by the ATF and friends, which involves dropping an 18" dowel down the barrel with the bolt forward. The extra 0.5" is resolved in my mind as insurance that in case the dowel stops on an extractor, you are still going to be within the limit.
In other news, I have had a sweet home-built AR-Lower for awhile now, waiting on funds and decisions about an upper (piston). It was "advanced legos" to any who have not decided they want to attempt this. Really not hard at all. Can get expensive though, depending on the parts. Parts:
Sun Devil MFG Lower
Alexander Arms Trigger Kit
KNS Anti-Rotational Pins
KNS Takedown Pins
DPMS or RRA little bitty parts (roll pins, etc)
Winter style trigger guard
Wilson Bolt Release
Oversized Mag Release
Magpul Grip, VLTOR stock
(https://lh5.ggpht.com/_4iYlZ1m8UEM/S18fR_xWbRI/AAAAAAAAFNc/YOWkD_nX9HU/s800/IMG_2011.JPG)
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_4iYlZ1m8UEM/S18fTs4cBGI/AAAAAAAAFNg/165381OftPg/s800/IMG_2012.JPG)
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_4iYlZ1m8UEM/S18fUR8rMNI/AAAAAAAAFNk/-PbIvVh2yv0/s800/IMG_2013.JPG)
Quote from: ato memphis on January 26, 2010, 06:42:00 AM
@Cyrus Buelton:
I didn't realize it was already just 18ish. It appeared to be closer to 20 or 21".
18" is the limit. Most barrels are 18.5" from the manufacturers. I "believe" this is because of the inspection method used by the ATF and friends, which involves dropping an 18" dowel down the barrel with the bolt forward. The extra 0.5" is resolved in my mind as insurance that in case the dowel stops on an extractor, you are still going to be within the limit.
I am not quite sure where to measure exactly from, but it appears to be 18.5" - 19" based on my best guess of where the "barrel" actually ends within the bolt.
I suspect if it was measured with the bolt closed and a dowel was dropped in, it would be 18.5"
Nobody will know if your barrel is shorter than "legal" length. You can buy short uppers all day long. It is just a gun part, It has no serial # on it.
ATO, Id say you're on your way [thumbsup]
Thanks!
I've got plenty of time to investigate (and hopefully see prices fall slightly) the various manufacturers of piston driven uppers. I like the relative "cleanliness" of the AK and its basic idea, so that's my reason for going that way with the AR.
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 26, 2010, 07:14:35 AM
Nobody will know if your barrel is shorter than "legal" length. You can buy short uppers all day long. It is just a gun part, It has no serial # on it.
I like to keep my firearms in accordance with federal laws.
Quote from: ato memphis on January 26, 2010, 07:23:34 AM
Thanks!
I've got plenty of time to investigate (and hopefully see prices fall slightly) the various manufacturers of piston driven uppers. I like the relative "cleanliness" of the AK and its basic idea, so that's my reason for going that way with the AR.
A friend of my just bought a LTM (Lewis Tool and Machine) M4 that is piston driven.
This is the same firearm Delta Carries, however, minus select fire and probably some other shit.
Another mention of federal law/gun law and it's locked.
Get it? >:(
i circumcised my post to remove offending languages.
Quote from: ato memphis on January 26, 2010, 07:02:16 AM
In other news, I have had a sweet home-built AR-Lower for awhile now, waiting on funds and decisions about an upper (piston). It was "advanced legos" to any who have not decided they want to attempt this. Really not hard at all. Can get expensive though, depending on the parts. Parts:
Sun Devil MFG Lower
Alexander Arms Trigger Kit
KNS Anti-Rotational Pins
KNS Takedown Pins
DPMS or RRA little bitty parts (roll pins, etc)
Winter style trigger guard
Wilson Bolt Release
Oversized Mag Release
Magpul Grip, VLTOR stock
(https://lh5.ggpht.com/_4iYlZ1m8UEM/S18fR_xWbRI/AAAAAAAAFNc/YOWkD_nX9HU/s800/IMG_2011.JPG)
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_4iYlZ1m8UEM/S18fTs4cBGI/AAAAAAAAFNg/165381OftPg/s800/IMG_2012.JPG)
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_4iYlZ1m8UEM/S18fUR8rMNI/AAAAAAAAFNk/-PbIvVh2yv0/s800/IMG_2013.JPG)
piston uppers are a complete waste of time and money, are less accurate and heavier. I ran thousands of rounds through my direct impingement M-16 without issue. People who know me know that I'm not a stickler for surgical cleanliness, but my guns all work.
How are they less accurate? You lost me there. The AR piston system isn't really rigid like the AK. Clearly the most accurate would be no gas system at all so that the barrel was completely untouched.
Heavier, sure (but marginally). Unnecessary compared to direct gas impingement? Sure. But I adorned the lower with all sorts of crap you don't "need".
The only gun I really bother keeping immaculate clean is the 1911. It had to go back to Kimber and was finicky at first. Since I had to "work" to get it perfect, I like to 'hold up my end of the bargain' (I should clarify, however, it is no safe queen. Its actually never been in the safe).
On the topic of guns. And safes...
Anybody recommend a good, reasonable dehumidifier system? Are the plug in wand things really worthwhile? I'm not having any issues, but I'd like to 'insure' my 'collection'.
Quote from: ato memphis on January 26, 2010, 05:01:50 PM
On the topic of guns. And safes...
Anybody recommend a good, reasonable dehumidifier system? Are the plug in wand things really worthwhile? I'm not having any issues, but I'd like to 'insure' my 'collection'.
I've never heard of such a safe, but sounds cool.
Got a link to an example?
Like a reverse humidor?
;D
There's several available at cabelas, cheaperthandirt, midwayUSA, etc. Its a rod that you plug in, it warms and pulls moisture out of the air, supposedly thereby lessening the chances of rusting.
Right now I just throw some dessicant in there.
Quote from: Monsterlover on January 26, 2010, 06:19:48 PM
Like a reverse humidor?
;D
Yes. I just need to pull the moisture off the guns and put them on the cigars.
Quote from: ducpainter on January 26, 2010, 01:44:01 PM
Another mention of federal law/gun law and it's locked.
Get it? >:(
Ban Cyrus just for old times!
Quote from: ato memphis on January 26, 2010, 05:00:14 PM
How are they less accurate? You lost me there. The AR piston system isn't really rigid like the AK. Clearly the most accurate would be no gas system at all so that the barrel was completely untouched.
the AR piston systems are all short stroke design, most similar to the SKS.
I don't think accuracy is different by much, except that with a piston system you can limit the amount of parasitic gas loss (piston stops it) whereas the direct impingement system flows gas until the bolt returns. you could theoretically have more projectile velocity due to more available pressure.
plus, a hell of a lot cleaner. if designed correctly, only the piston face gets dirty, not the whole bolt carrier/chamber/bolt.
Quote from: ato memphis on January 26, 2010, 05:01:50 PM
On the topic of guns. And safes...
Anybody recommend a good, reasonable dehumidifier system? Are the plug in wand things really worthwhile? I'm not having any issues, but I'd like to 'insure' my 'collection'.
i use one. they work, but you have to have a mostly airtight setup. quite frankly, the BEST setup you can use is a 60w lightbulb. yup. it works, try it. but again -- mostly airtight.
we have an Aprilaire in the house keepign it right at about 45% humidity, but my gun safe (which is a built-in concrete block+steel door closet) runs about 15%
+1 on the 60w bulb idea; I did that with camera & electronic equipment in a closet/wardrobe in southern China (a little north of the China/Vietnam border) for six months through the rainy season, and everything that was stored that way came through in great shape.
Quote from: duccarlos on January 27, 2010, 06:00:22 AM
Ban Cyrus just for old times!
Isn't it your turn? [evil] [laugh]
Quote from: ducpainter on January 27, 2010, 06:13:16 PM
Isn't it your turn? [evil] [laugh]
I've been a good boy.
I use Goldenrod plug in dehumidifiers in my safes but I also put some stick on foam weather stripping on the doors to help seal them up. Seems to be working well. [thumbsup] ATO and I are both in the same city so we deal with the same humidity factor. Jeez, I've had my Goldenrods so long do they even still make them???
Quote from: ato memphis on January 26, 2010, 05:00:14 PM
How are they less accurate? You lost me there. The AR piston system isn't really rigid like the AK. Clearly the most accurate would be no gas system at all so that the barrel was completely untouched.
Heavier, sure (but marginally). Unnecessary compared to direct gas impingement? Sure. But I adorned the lower with all sorts of crap you don't "need".
The only gun I really bother keeping immaculate clean is the 1911. It had to go back to Kimber and was finicky at first. Since I had to "work" to get it perfect, I like to 'hold up my end of the bargain' (I should clarify, however, it is no safe queen. Its actually never been in the safe).
pistons cause vibration. It's one of the reasons why the ARs now clean house at the national matches.
Quote from: ato memphis on January 26, 2010, 07:02:16 AM
In other news, I have had a sweet home-built AR-Lower for awhile now, waiting on funds and decisions about an upper (piston). It was "advanced legos" to any who have not decided they want to attempt this. Really not hard at all. Can get expensive though, depending on the parts. Parts:
Sun Devil MFG Lower
Alexander Arms Trigger Kit
KNS Anti-Rotational Pins
KNS Takedown Pins
DPMS or RRA little bitty parts (roll pins, etc)
Winter style trigger guard
Wilson Bolt Release
Oversized Mag Release
Magpul Grip, VLTOR stock
(https://lh5.ggpht.com/_4iYlZ1m8UEM/S18fR_xWbRI/AAAAAAAAFNc/YOWkD_nX9HU/s800/IMG_2011.JPG)
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_4iYlZ1m8UEM/S18fTs4cBGI/AAAAAAAAFNg/165381OftPg/s800/IMG_2012.JPG)
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_4iYlZ1m8UEM/S18fUR8rMNI/AAAAAAAAFNk/-PbIvVh2yv0/s800/IMG_2013.JPG)
Looking good so far. One of the shops down here is offering silly deals on LWRC uppers, so if you decide to take a trip to Hawaii. ;) I am looking at getting a 6.8 with 12.5" barrel myself.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on January 26, 2010, 09:05:43 AM
A friend of my just bought a LMT (Lewis Machine and Tool) M4 that is piston driven.
This is the same firearm Delta Carries, however, minus select fire and probably some other shit.
Fixed, but not really accurate. The guys you mention get to carry whatever tool fits the particular job at hand. Having said that, their tool kit generally has bits from KAC, HK and now FNH more so than LMT.
Quote from: whackie on January 25, 2010, 11:43:59 PM
here's my addition. i have 2 other glocks that are not in the pic, 19 n 22. one of the 9mm in the pic below is the bf's.
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x218/kahokulani50/new.jpg)
Anne!! Finally made it over here I see, sweet!
Quote from: DRKWNG on January 27, 2010, 10:01:48 PM
I am looking at getting a 6.8 with 12.5" barrel myself.
I got a Bushmaster lower for my bday last year and ended up building it up with an RRA 16" upper in 6.8. Bushie lower, RRA upper, DPMS internals, Timney trigger, Magpul UBR stock, Hogue rubber grip. I need to do something with the forend though. Just not sure what. No pics of it right now cuz I'm a few thousand miles away from home.
I'm thinking about something new when I get back but I haven't decided on what yet. I was thinking higher-end 1911 but then I was thinking maybe a Sig 556 or something similar.
Quote from: Dannyboy on January 28, 2010, 12:22:20 AM
I'm thinking about something new when I get back but I haven't decided on what yet. I was thinking higher-end 1911 but then I was thinking maybe a Sig 556 or something similar.
Hold off on the 556 for now. Sig has some rather nice piston driven M4 type items coming out shortly, and they are looking to be VERY competitively priced.
Quote from: Dannyboy on January 28, 2010, 12:22:20 AM
I'm thinking about something new when I get back but I haven't decided on what yet. I was thinking higher-end 1911 but then I was thinking maybe a Sig 556 or something similar.
If you get a nice 1911, really do your shopping. Things to note: Kimber's Custom Line is not custom. Its the name of the manufacturing line. Its not a custom like an Ed Brown, or Nighthawk, or an STI, or a Wilson. Its the difference between a 1098S and a 1098R. They both cost more, but one got a lot more attention at the factory.
That being said, I really like my Kimber. But I had to correct its shortcomings. Shitty MIM ambi safety was one. Plastic MSH was another.
They all have a plastic msh. MAYBE not on the steel frame kimbers.
Mine is a CDP-II Pro. (4" Barrel for ccw). I'm a fan of the slim VZ grips I have that don't chew up my undershirts, and I have an aluminum checkered msh from VZ as well.
The ambi safety broke in the first few weeks I had the gun. The connection is not well thought out, and its an MIM part. The more robust ambi safeties might work fine, but not the originally equipped version from Kimber. I have no use for an ambi safety, it was just a plus-feature on that model, so I replaced it with an Ed Brown, and it works great and feels much better than the original.
I see. My Kimber is a steel framed model and I had never noticed it having plastic anything. Guess you're right, and the alloy framed models have plastic MSH. Interesting.
Quote from: ato memphis on January 28, 2010, 05:20:39 AM
. Plastic MSH was another.
you are kidding me
that's ridiculous. did they put a plastic sear in it too?
Quote from: ato memphis on January 28, 2010, 05:20:39 AM
If you get a nice 1911, really do your shopping. Things to note: Kimber's Custom Line is not custom. Its the name of the manufacturing line. Its not a custom like an Ed Brown, or Nighthawk, or an STI, or a Wilson. Its the difference between a 1098S and a 1098R. They both cost more, but one got a lot more attention at the factory.
That being said, I really like my Kimber. But I had to correct its shortcomings. Shitty MIM ambi safety was one. Plastic MSH was another.
Nighthawk is at the top of the list right now, mainly because a local shop is a dealer. Wilson might be a tad bit high for me. Even their cheapest model is right at the top of my range.
Quote from: DRKWNG on January 28, 2010, 05:15:41 AM
Hold off on the 556 for now. Sig has some rather nice piston driven M4 type items coming out shortly, and they are looking to be VERY competitively priced.
Yeah, I just don't know if I want another AR. The Sig 516 did look pretty sweet, though. But I like the 556. Another choice is a DSA FAL. Always wanted one but could never find one in my price range. Well, now, my price range has gone up so that might be the way to go.
Man, I might have to see about going to the range this weekend. I'm getting really jealous looking at everyone's stuff.
Quote from: ducatiz on January 28, 2010, 05:35:07 AM
you are kidding me
that's ridiculous. did they put a plastic sear in it too?
Ha, no, but its not tool steel either - another MIM part. I understand the cost efficiency of casting, but for the love of god, don't put the words "Custom Shop" on the side then.
enough of that anti-kimber rant, because the gun functions fantastically right now and is very accurate. I'm looking to try out one of these small STI 9mm 1911's in the near future, with the revolver-like permanent sights to see how it does. And its made nearish to Dallas (though Nighthawk and Wilson aren't that far away in Arkansas I suppose. All much closer than the Northeast manufacturers)
Quote from: ducpainter on January 27, 2010, 06:13:16 PM
Isn't it your turn? [evil] [laugh]
Not for another year. It should be next year around the time of Mid-O
my carry peice:
(http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/5086/0130091943bt4.jpg)
damn son. carrying full size?
I might in the winter, but its too much for summer clothes, gotta have something lighter weight, even with a gun belt, lest my linen britches be PANTS ON DA GROUND
Quote from: ato memphis on January 28, 2010, 10:51:04 AM
lest my linen britches be PANTS ON DA GROUND
Wit gold in yo mouf?
hat turned sidewayz
[laugh]
Quote from: ato memphis on January 28, 2010, 08:40:14 AM
Ha, no, but its not tool steel either - another MIM part. I understand the cost efficiency of casting, but for the love of god, don't put the words "Custom Shop" on the side then.
enough of that anti-kimber rant, because the gun functions fantastically right now and is very accurate. I'm looking to try out one of these small STI 9mm 1911's in the near future, with the revolver-like permanent sights to see how it does. And its made nearish to Dallas (though Nighthawk and Wilson aren't that far away in Arkansas I suppose. All much closer than the Northeast manufacturers)
i've mentioned it before here, but I have a phillipino-made 1911 that I have found to be top notch. There was a problem with the safety sear when I got it and I had smith fix it -- it was dropping the hammer to half cock if the safety was engaged >:( he just filed a few parts and swapped the safety lever.
beyond that, the gun is flawless. it has a polished parkerized finish, which is rare. it is very smooth overall. and easily shoots 1-2" groups with good ammo. After running about 40 boxes at the range, the slide shows almost no wear, extractor, pin hole and face all are remarkably smooth. i expected the metal to be softish but it seems like it is hard as hell.
I almost didn't buy it at first but it was $250 (this was in 2001 or 02). I figured I could dump it for the same price. I wouldn't sell it for 3 times that now.
PAC in Cali (aka "The Dealer's Warehouse") imported them, and they are marked "SAM, RP" (republic phillipines). If yuou see one, just buy it. They are friggin awesome.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on January 24, 2010, 06:51:45 PM
Ok, here is the Saiga 12gauge with my current round of mods:
1. Telescoping M4 style stock (easy to remove stock, took some drilling to install current)
2. Replaced forend with an aftermarket piece that has 3 sides of picany rails (as you can see I used the underside one for a handle, which I had on hand)
3. Quick detach mount with picany rails for a scope. I put a Tasco red dot on it, well, just because I wanted to.
4. I bought a remington sling for 9$ at walmart which seems great. Just need to mod out a piece on the pack so it clips on. A key chain "holder" seems to be the ticket.
Enjoy my ultimate home defense weapon. If I need more than 10 semi auto 00 buck shots, I should have grabbed my AR-15.
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/jshoward11/DSC_0145.jpg)
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/jshoward11/DSC_0146.jpg)
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/jshoward11/DSC_0147.jpg)
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/jshoward11/DSC_0148.jpg)
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/jshoward11/DSC_0149.jpg)
Time to convert that gun, here are some before and afters of my saiga 12 conversion, I still need to do something about the for end.
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/bmeath/th_DSCF0153.jpg)
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/bmeath/th_DSCF0156.jpg)
I'm thinking about letting my S&W 15T go in order to get a SR-15 once my dealer gets them in.
Quote from: caperix on January 31, 2010, 05:15:06 AM
Time to convert that gun, here are some before and afters of my saiga 12 conversion, I still need to do something about the for end.
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/bmeath/th_DSCF0153.jpg)
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/bmeath/th_DSCF0156.jpg)
i tried to explain this to junior, but i think he'll be happy with that plastic tapco butt/pg setup
Just don't see the reason to dump the money into it to shorten the length by 3"
It would allow you to use regular ol' AK stocks and grips and the like, iirc, beyond the length shortening.
The trigger feel is greatly improved, the link bar for the saiga trigger adds alot of slop.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/zarn02/isntitironicdontyouthink.jpg)
"Seriously guys, when we said 'show off your guns' we didn't mean that..."
I think I pulled off the gun deal of the year this evening.
Went to my local bar and met up with some friends and of course conversation turned to guns.
A friend of mine said he was at a Ducks Unlimited banquet last year and won in some raffle an "italian black shotgun pump that begins with a "b" that I have never fired before"
He wanted 200$ for it.
I figured it was a Benelli Nova. Well, I was right.
It is a magnum too, shoots up to a 3 1/2in shell.
Of course it is sitting on my kitchen table now.
I'd post pictures but it is nothing special other than what you can buy at a gun shop except for the engraved "ducks unlimited" on the ejection point or whatever the make the beast with two backs you call that piece of the gun.
Not sure what I am going to do with this bad boy. My brother wants to buy it from me. However, I do not have a straight shot gun for what typical use is for.
My 870 is a home defense gun. Of course my Saiga 12.......not really a shot gun.
This is my first and only shot gun that could be used for any sort of hunting. I think I will keep it.
But make the beast with two backs...........shooting a 3 1/2 through it???
that might have some kick on my awful left shoulder.
Sweet! I am sure you will figure out what to do with it. [thumbsup] 3 1/2s will kick your ass. But I am sure you already know this. Geese be aware!! [laugh]
Quote from: fastwin on February 01, 2010, 06:40:33 PM
Sweet! I am sure you will figure out what to do with it. [thumbsup] 3 1/2s will kick your ass. But I am sure you already know this. Geese be aware!! [laugh]
This is my first dedicated hunting shotgun. I definitely know what to do with it [thumbsup]
I couldn't pass on the price. My brother already offered me more then I paid for it but can't sell it.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on February 01, 2010, 05:54:09 PM
A friend of mine said he was at a Ducks Unlimited banquet last year and won in some raffle an "italian black shotgun pump that begins with a "b" that I have never fired before"
He wanted 200$ for it.
Sweet! I almost won that exact gun at the DU national auction last year. I've never fired one, but they are supposed to be great guns. Too bad it is not the Vinci as it has a recoil reduction device in the stock (some sort of cylinder with mercury in it). You can retrofit one into the Nova. They can also be dressed tactical.
I have the same gun. A Benelli Nova pump12, the long frickin barrel. The pump is a little rattly, but its a great gun, simple take down, easy to clean.
I got mine used at a gun show, it looked like it had been sitting in mud (the internals). A thorough cleaning and it functions flawlessly (and now smells nice).
The 3 1/2" is a bit of a doozy and might necessitate some sort of recoil reducer or phone book under the shirt if you don't know its coming. Its really not all that bad unless you are dumb enough to launch one out of a pistol grip / no stock shotty.
Quote from: ato memphis on February 02, 2010, 04:20:47 AM
I have the same gun. A Benelli Nova pump12, the long frickin barrel. The pump is a little rattly, but its a great gun, simple take down, easy to clean.
Dude, I agree.
That barrel is make the beast with two backsing long!!!!
the pump definitely is a little rattly, but before buying it, I talked to Tizzy and he said it is a great piece.
I haven't broken it down yet, but looks very easy to do. I might get around later today, but need to find a table long enough to set it on. [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Quote from: ato memphis on February 02, 2010, 04:20:47 AM
I have the same gun. A Benelli Nova pump12, the long frickin barrel. The pump is a little rattly, but its a great gun, simple take down, easy to clean.
come listen my 40s vintage Ithaca. it literally sounds like something is gonna come off, but it works as smooth as a horny hooker. the slider just has enough friction to keep it from cycling by itself when you fire. the bolt lockup flanges lock up ok, but the arm play is very loose. i may replace some parts someday, but it just love the look on ppls faces when they work the action.. rofl
Quote from: cyrus buelton on February 02, 2010, 06:19:33 AM
Dude, I agree.
That barrel is make the beast with two backsing long!!!!
the pump definitely is a little rattly, but before buying it, I talked to Tizzy and he said it is a great piece.
i said it was a very good s/g and that you had better have worn a mask cause you got it for a steal, esp in new condition.
Benelli's warranty coverage is awesome too. They handle warranty claims for Stoeger guns and I was very surprised how good they were.
Quote from: ducatiz on February 02, 2010, 07:17:53 AM
but it works as smooth as a horny hooker.
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Quote from: ducatiz on February 02, 2010, 07:20:18 AM
i said it was a very good s/g and that you had better have worn a mask cause you got it for a steal, esp in new condition.
Sorry for not quoting you verbatim.
Slightly off topic... but speaking of smooth shotgun actions I was lucky enough to inherit my Grandfather's Winchester model 12 (12g) and model 42 (.410g) after his death in 1968. Many thanks to my Dad!!! There are lots of smooth action shotguns out there but those two guns are like butta!! ;D Good old fashioned manufacturing + lots and lots of use by Grandad = great slick guns with a ton of sentimental charm. I hope to pass them down to my step-son or nephews. Lucky little bastards! [laugh]
Quote from: fastwin on February 02, 2010, 08:11:46 AM
Slightly off topic... but speaking of smooth shotgun actions I was lucky enough to inherit my Grandfather's Winchester model 12 (12g) and model 42 (.410g) after his death in 1968. Many thanks to my Dad!!! There are lots of smooth action shotguns out there but those two guns are like butta!! ;D Good old fashioned manufacturing + lots and lots of use by Grandad = great slick guns with a ton of sentimental charm. I hope to pass them down to my step-son or nephews. Lucky little bastards! [laugh]
+1
I bought a mint, 60s vintage Model 12 Trap, ported with a 30" barrel and the thing is awesome! Went from shooting 15-18/25 with my 870 to 22-24/25 very regularly. Fits me perfectly. Paid $400 for it.
Very cool. Worth every penny you spent! [thumbsup]
Notice on your Benelli that the cap at the end of the magazine tube has a "nipple" - that's to push the pins in the receiver out a bit. The 'other' side (the inside of the cap) has a lip, that's to pull the pin the rest of the way out from the other side.
No need for a drift or anything. Very handy.
Quote from: ato memphis on February 02, 2010, 12:05:30 PM
Notice on your Benelli that the cap at the end of the magazine tube has a "nipple" - that's to push the pins in the receiver out a bit. The 'other' side (the inside of the cap) has a lip, that's to pull the pin the rest of the way out from the other side.
No need for a drift or anything. Very handy.
on the ww2 mausers, you had to use a bullet tip to open the magazine if you had to dump your rounds. which of course would cram the projectile back into the case a bit. good thing those mauser receivers were overbuilt.
I'm seriously thinking about modding the hell out of my M91/30..
I found a thread that pretty much out lines what I was thinking.
http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=82&t=29075 (http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=82&t=29075)
ahh, to be the fool who puts probably $800 into a $100 rifle.... with very good results.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v198/FMSNIPER/P1020333.jpg)
there are a few things I'm not 100% sure on, threading the barrel for the receiver, indexing the barrel, groving for the extractor, and truing the receiver. every thing else I have a pretty good idea how to do.. (90% of the fun would be learning)
Quote from: acalles on February 03, 2010, 06:39:42 AM
there are a few things I'm not 100% sure on, threading the barrel for the receiver, indexing the barrel, groving for the extractor, and truing the receiver. every thing else I have a pretty good idea how to do.. (90% of the fun would be learning)
it's not as big a deal as you would think. you have to tighten the barrel down but not torque it and then eyeball the extractor location. the last turn is a very small amount, like a 1/8th turn to torque it, so you measure a 1/8th turn from "tight". If you overshoot it, then you can shim it and if you undershoot, you shave the receiver face. Not a big deal.
A funny fact, the factory did not install the front sight until after the barrel was installed -- receiver in a jig at zero deg, machine made the dovetail cut. they were usually +/- 5 deg which is why the mosin front sight has like 10 mm of windage...
Quote from: acalles on February 03, 2010, 06:39:42 AM
I'm seriously thinking about modding the hell out of my M91/30..
I found a thread that pretty much out lines what I was thinking.
http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=82&t=29075 (http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=82&t=29075)
ahh, to be the fool who puts probably $800 into a $100 rifle.... with very good results.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v198/FMSNIPER/P1020333.jpg)
there are a few things I'm not 100% sure on, threading the barrel for the receiver, indexing the barrel, groving for the extractor, and truing the receiver. every thing else I have a pretty good idea how to do.. (90% of the fun would be learning)
Cool thread. Not my favorite colors for a gun, but to each his own......
Quote from: ducatiz on February 03, 2010, 10:40:14 AM
it's not as big a deal as you would think. you have to tighten the barrel down but not torque it and then eyeball the extractor location. the last turn is a very small amount, like a 1/8th turn to torque it, so you measure a 1/8th turn from "tight". If you overshoot it, then you can shim it and if you undershoot, you shave the receiver face. Not a big deal.
A funny fact, the factory did not install the front sight until after the barrel was installed -- receiver in a jig at zero deg, machine made the dovetail cut. they were usually +/- 5 deg which is why the mosin front sight has like 10 mm of windage...
cool, I think I'm gonna start ordering one part a month, starting with the stock.. based on what I've heard, I'll probably have everything I need by the time the stock gets here from richards microfit.. [laugh]
my brother is a kick ass tig welder so I'll probably have him fab up the bolt lever.
Quote from: angler on February 03, 2010, 10:53:03 AM
Cool thread. Not my favorite colors for a gun, but to each his own......
yeah, the blue isn't really my thing, and I can't see myself painting over bluing.. I think I'll go with this one
http://www.rifle-stocks.com/thumholetarget.htm (http://www.rifle-stocks.com/thumholetarget.htm)
in this color.
http://www.rifle-stocks.com/Imperial_Laminate_Sample.JPG (http://www.rifle-stocks.com/Imperial_Laminate_Sample.JPG)
Quote from: acalles on February 03, 2010, 11:51:43 AM
yeah, the blue isn't really my thing, and I can't see myself painting over bluing.. I think I'll go with this one
http://www.rifle-stocks.com/thumholetarget.htm (http://www.rifle-stocks.com/thumholetarget.htm)
in this color.
http://www.rifle-stocks.com/Imperial_Laminate_Sample.JPG (http://www.rifle-stocks.com/Imperial_Laminate_Sample.JPG)
Cool choice. I dig the laminate stocks.
Quote from: acalles on February 03, 2010, 11:51:43 AM
yeah, the blue isn't really my thing, and I can't see myself painting over bluing.. I think I'll go with this one
i seriously doubt it is blued and then painted. anything is possible.
more likely, it is a Lauer coating. They have like 4 or 5 different blacks and you can mix them with colors as well. they have strip and pattern kits too. i love that stuff, i have used it on engines and it is indestructible.
Not showing anything off yet, but just put a magpul angled fore grip on the M4. Thing has a nice feel to it.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on January 24, 2010, 06:51:45 PM
Ok, here is the Saiga 12gauge with my current round of mods:
1. Telescoping M4 style stock (easy to remove stock, took some drilling to install current)
2. Replaced forend with an aftermarket piece that has 3 sides of picany rails (as you can see I used the underside one for a handle, which I had on hand)
3. Quick detach mount with picany rails for a scope. I put a Tasco red dot on it, well, just because I wanted to.
4. I bought a remington sling for 9$ at walmart which seems great. Just need to mod out a piece on the pack so it clips on. A key chain "holder" seems to be the ticket.
Enjoy my ultimate home defense weapon. If I need more than 10 semi auto 00 buck shots, I should have grabbed my AR-15.
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/jshoward11/DSC_0149.jpg)
Looks to me like about $3k worth of fun! Awesome weapon. I see guns but no pricing except the $200 Benelli. [thumbsup] What's invested here?
Quote from: RED on February 04, 2010, 07:06:22 AM
Looks to me like about $3k worth of fun! Awesome weapon. I see guns but no pricing except the $200 Benelli. [thumbsup] What's invested here?
Typically don't talk about what I pay for guns or bike parts, but not even close to $3k
Saiga 12 902 Compliant - $659.00 + 7% sales tax
Tapco M4 Style Stock - $60 or $65
Top Scope Mount - $35.00
New front end with 3 side Picney rails - $60.00
Front Handle - removed from my M4 when I had a bipod put on
Scope - 41.99$ at Walmart.
The prices of the add ons sans the scope are approximate, but pretty damn close. I think I spent 157$ on all that shit. Bought it off Gun Broker and ended up calling the shop and purchased more parts and they cut me a deal.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on February 04, 2010, 10:53:40 AM
Typically don't talk about what I pay for guns or bike parts but here i'll give you a detailed breakdown of each item, including sales tax and how much the fuel to take it home cost me.
Quote
, but not even close to $3k
Saiga 12 902 Compliant - $659.00 + 7% sales tax
Tapco M4 Style Stock - $60 or $65
Top Scope Mount - $35.00
New front end with 3 side Picney rails - $60.00
Front Handle - removed from my M4 when I had a bipod put on
Scope - 41.99$ at Walmart.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on February 04, 2010, 10:53:40 AM
Typically don't talk about what I pay for guns or bike parts, but not even close to $3k
Saiga 12 902 Compliant - $659.00 + 7% sales tax
Tapco M4 Style Stock - $60 or $65
Top Scope Mount - $35.00
New front end with 3 side Picney rails - $60.00
Front Handle - removed from my M4 when I had a bipod put on
Scope - 41.99$ at Walmart.
The prices of the add ons sans the scope are approximate, but pretty damn close. I think I spent 157$ on all that shit. Bought it off Gun Broker and ended up calling the shop and purchased more parts and they cut me a deal.
Not that i'm prying or anything but I started to check around the lowest price Saiga-12 around here on the net was anywhere from $1150 to $2400.
This is Bull Shit in the highest...
http://www.infowars.com/u-s-agrees-to-timetable-for-un-gun-ban/ (http://www.infowars.com/u-s-agrees-to-timetable-for-un-gun-ban/)
Quote from: RED on February 04, 2010, 11:18:15 AM
Not that i'm prying or anything but I started to check around the lowest price Saiga-12 around here on the net was anywhere from $1150 to $2400.
Where have you been looking?
go to gunbroker.com
you can get one for around 800 or even less.
Izaak - I don't like you.
Quote from: ducatiz on February 04, 2010, 10:59:41 AM
That made me lol.
:)
Quote from: RED on February 04, 2010, 11:28:39 AM
This is Bull Shit in the highest...
http://www.infowars.com/u-s-agrees-to-timetable-for-un-gun-ban/ (http://www.infowars.com/u-s-agrees-to-timetable-for-un-gun-ban/)
As far as this goes. . .
I'd love to sign it but can someone vouch for the validity? That way I won't feel like Im giving my name and email out to a spammer/email harvester.
Quote from: RED on February 04, 2010, 11:18:15 AM
Not that i'm prying or anything but I started to check around the lowest price Saiga-12 around here on the net was anywhere from $1150 to $2400.
That seems really high, I got my Siaga 12 at a gun show a few months ago new for about $500. It was fully stock with no 922r compliant parts in it. A converted and/or compliant gun should go for more. I know there are many sites online that will ship one to someone with a FFL for low $500's. They are the Ducati monster of shotguns, a good time stock and a lot of fun to mod.
Quote from: RED on February 04, 2010, 11:28:39 AM
This is Bull Shit in the highest...
http://www.infowars.com/u-s-agrees-to-timetable-for-un-gun-ban/ (http://www.infowars.com/u-s-agrees-to-timetable-for-un-gun-ban/)
I read that, and I've read about the UN proposal/regulations/whatevertheyare.
Until somebody can cite something saying we've actually signed on to it, I'm calling shenanigans.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on February 04, 2010, 11:55:18 AM
Where have you been looking?
go to gunbroker.com
you can get one for around 800 or even less.
Izaak - I don't like you.
i know. but you sure like my boot in your ass... [drink] [laugh]
Quote from: ducatiz on February 04, 2010, 02:36:15 PM
i know. but you sure like my boot in your ass... [drink] [laugh]
It's obvious you want your cock in my ass and not your boot.
I am hetero dude.
Stop the advances. Please.
You think a lot about this stuff I guess. That's fine, soon you'll be able to enlist too!
Enough flirting, ladies.
Put a deposit on an SR-15 E3 today. Now just have to wait two weeks to be able to pick it up...
Quote from: DRKWNG on February 04, 2010, 05:03:36 PM
Put a deposit on an SR-15 E3 today. Now just have to wait two weeks to be able to pick it up...
whats the wait for?
J&G has a bunch of leo trade-in ARs for <1000. I might pick another up, can't have too many...
Quote from: ducatiz on February 04, 2010, 05:09:15 PM
whats the wait for?
Hawaii gun laws. You have to wait 14 days from the day you put in your paperwork before your permit to buy is valid. >:(
Got a pretty good deal though, my local guy is selling the KAC rig for $2100 OTD and that includes 3 pmags, all the Knight's kit and a $100 off a handgun purchase.
He has some STUPID deals on LWRC at the moment as well. Almost went with the new DEA gun for $1800.
Quote from: DRKWNG on February 04, 2010, 05:12:19 PM
Hawaii gun laws. You have to wait 14 days from the day you put in your paperwork before your permit to buy is valid. >:(
Got a pretty good deal though, my local guy is selling the KAC rig for $2100 OTD and that includes 3 pmags, all the Knight's kit and a $100 off a handgun purchase.
He has some STUPID deals on LWRC at the moment as well. Almost went with the new DEA gun for $1800.
right. cause if you are a murderer, you go and buy a gun just for that murder [roll]
well, at least you have polynesian chicks to leer at.
Quote from: ducatiz on February 04, 2010, 05:32:01 PM
well, at least you have polynesian chicks to leer at.
Dude, have you ever spent much time down here? You don't want to leer at most of the polynesian women for too long. They are likely to knock you the make the beast with two backs out if you do. lol
Quote from: DRKWNG on February 04, 2010, 05:44:35 PM
Dude, have you ever spent much time down here? You don't want to leer at most of the polynesian women for too long. They are likely to knock you the make the beast with two backs out if you do. lol
It's been so long since he leered at anyone it makes me seem young. ;)
Quote from: DRKWNG on February 04, 2010, 05:44:35 PM
Dude, have you ever spent much time down here? You don't want to leer at most of the polynesian women for too long. They are likely to knock you the make the beast with two backs out if you do. lol
i will not talk about the time i spent in Hawai'i
i did not get the make the beast with two backs knocked out of me.
i ate a lot of pineapple. mmm mmm mm
Quote from: ducpainter on February 04, 2010, 05:48:33 PM
It's been so long since he leered at anyone it makes me seem young. ;)
There goes grandpa again, yellin' at the neighbor's car..
Quote from: ducatiz on February 04, 2010, 04:10:52 PM
sigh
i remember those days
my wife's tastes in interior design do not permit the "engine in the living room" anymore.
i cannot begin to describe the look on her face years ago when an engine showed up on a skid courtesy of UPS -- delivered to our upper east side 7th floor apartment. I might as well have aborted a calf, pureed it and smeared it on the walls.
There goes 'tiz...
hiking up his skirt. ;D
Quote from: ducpainter on February 04, 2010, 05:48:33 PM
It's been so long since he leered at anyone it makes me seem young. ;)
[laugh]
Quote from: ducatiz on February 04, 2010, 05:58:19 PM
i will not talk about the time i spent in Hawai'i
One word, mahu :o
Quote from: ducatiz on February 04, 2010, 05:58:19 PM
There goes grandpa again, yellin' at the neighbor's car..
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
And because this is a pic thread, here is an updated pic of the M4 with the new Magpul fore grip installed.
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z53/b_upton/Guns/DSC_0005-2.jpg)
That looks like fun ^^
Quote from: DRKWNG on February 04, 2010, 06:01:58 PM
[laugh]
One word, mahu :o
speak for yourself, ladyboy! i was talkign about the womenfolk and local flora!
Quote from: Monsterlover on February 05, 2010, 03:19:06 AM
That looks like fun ^^
It gets the job done, that's for sure. The new FG feels really nice, and puts the hand in a much more natural position (for me anyway). I had to relocate the light though, and now it the mount is at the 12 o'clock position with the light hanging off the right side.
Quote from: ducatiz on February 05, 2010, 04:01:39 AM
speak for yourself, ladyboy! i was talkign about the womenfolk and local flora!
[laugh] [laugh] yea yea
[cheeky]
Quote from: zarn02 on February 04, 2010, 02:18:13 PM
I read that, and I've read about the UN proposal/regulations/whatevertheyare.
Until somebody can cite something saying we've actually signed on to it, I'm calling shenanigans.
Can't vouch for the validity issue. The website seems to be ligit. You can surely voice your opinion or ask question about the issue at NRA.com I'm sure. A gun collector friend of mine sent me the link and I was floored.
Quote from: RED on February 05, 2010, 07:15:34 AM
Can't vouch for the validity issue. The website seems to be ligit. You can surely voice your opinion or ask question about the issue at NRA.com I'm sure. A gun collector friend of mine sent me the link and I was floored.
I saw a link to it off lewrockwell.com. They generally link to reputable stuff, so I dunno...
Like I said, I've read about it before. This is just the only thing I've heard recently, and it doesn't cite sources. :P
anybody carry while riding?
I'm thinking about getting one of those belly wraps, since IWB ain't gonna rock, especially in the event of a crash (where I'll likely be landing) and the IWB holsters conceal great when you aren't leaning forward...
Riding with leathers?
Seems like it'd be hard to get at in a pinch.
In jeans though, that'd work.
Yeah, the problem is getting into your jacket to get it...
I usually don't carry when riding. I've never really seriously entertained the thought of being "bike-jacked".
[laugh]
Quote from: ato memphis on February 06, 2010, 05:47:10 AM
anybody carry while riding?
I'm thinking about getting one of those belly wraps, since IWB ain't gonna rock, especially in the event of a crash (where I'll likely be landing) and the IWB holsters conceal great when you aren't leaning forward...
most moto jackets have a wallet pocket right above the left side that doubles as a pistol pocket. i wouldn't carry more than a small mousegun, I used to have a KelTec but upgraded to the Ruger LCP. With the pocket pal holster, it fits perfectly and is accessible -- once you get the gloves off.
It's not an easy setup no matter what. Hopefully, I'll never need to use it like that. I can get the glove off fast enough, but then ahve to open the jacket, etc.
With a belly band you are in for it -- remove glove, open jacket, yank up your shirt and bra, and then get to it.
my shirt has a built in bra so i'm one step simpler, thankyouverymuch.
+1 on the Keltec being a good carry gun while riding as it is VERY small or of course a Beretta Tomcat would be another choice.
Waiting til my shoulder heals and then will be taking my Ohio CCW.
Finally the laws have smoothed out enough over the past three years so it is actually somewhat "clear." on how you can carry, etc.
I'd say a tank bag would be a good spot....but in my state I do not think that would be legal.
Just sent in my application for the Arizona elk tag draw, for muzzle loader season. If I'm drawn, I'll have time to finish this off:
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4030/4335326490_87b67ebbec.jpg)
The barrel is a .50 cal Green Mountain Hawken replica, with a tight 1 in 28 twist (so not a round-ball gun; it's made for Minie-style bullets or sabots). As you can see, there are more than a couple of parts left to track down (trigger, lock, rod, misc. hardware), but I shot the barrel in a different stock and it shot nice, tight groups with hunting loads & hefty 384 grain Hornady Great Plains bullets.
It's got some good juju to it, if the legend on the stock is to be believed.
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4047/4334585519_0eafda275a.jpg)
Guys, this is a cool thread. Please, let's leave any and all talk that could possibly be construed as political out of here. Don't want to see it get locked due to a misunderstanding.
Thanks.
Quote from: triangleforge on February 06, 2010, 08:15:29 AM
Just sent in my application for the Arizona elk tag draw, for muzzle loader season. If I'm drawn, I'll have time to finish this off:
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4030/4335326490_87b67ebbec.jpg)
The barrel is a .50 cal Green Mountain Hawken replica, with a tight 1 in 28 twist (so not a round-ball gun; it's made for Minie-style bullets or sabots). As you can see, there are more than a couple of parts left to track down (trigger, lock, rod, misc. hardware), but I shot the barrel in a different stock and it shot nice, tight groups with hunting loads & hefty 384 grain Hornady Great Plains bullets.
i have nearly the same rifle, but made by Hawken -- for about 10 years now! I love black powder. the looks you get at the range are priceless -- especially when that long slow black plume comes out the muzzle.
i've never tried minies in mine. i get pretty good <150 yd accuracy with plain ball. i should try that.
[thumbsup]
put a few peppercorns in your powder mix, it will make the meat taste better
Quote from: ducatiz on February 06, 2010, 09:32:13 AM
i have nearly the same rifle, but made by Hawken -- for about 10 years now! I love black powder. the looks you get at the range are priceless -- especially when that long slow black plume comes out the muzzle.
An actual Hawken -- VERY cool; I'd love to see one of those. Given the era, it was probably designed as a ball gun -- I've got another rifle with a slow, 1 in 66" twist that does great with a round ball but can't stabilize a bullet very well. The predecessor to this barrel as my hunting gun project was a Thompson/Center Renegade (a medium 1 in 48" twist that generally does OK with either ball or bullet) that I must have run a hundred or more rounds through and could never find a load & projectile that it wouldn't spray all over the place. Weird, because that T/C model generally has a good reputation, but that barrel wasn't it.
The boutique PR firm I'm a partner in did a marketing project for the National Muzzleloading Rifle Association's Winter Shoot http://www.nmlra.org/shootsDetails.asp?cat=NMLRA%20Sponsored&ID=188 (http://www.nmlra.org/shootsDetails.asp?cat=NMLRA%20Sponsored&ID=188) next weekend in Phoenix. I'll be down there for a day or so, but one of my partners (the one who brought in the client) will be there the whole week showing off his Hawken replica built around a 1960s Bill Large .58 caliber barrel. I've shot it a few times, and it's a beautiful piece of work. Large was a custom barrel builder from the 1930s (I think) through the early 1980s and has a great reputation. George claims he's taking it down to the shoot to sell, but I described it to a friend yesterday as "The gun George is trying hard not to get too attached to." [laugh]
Quote from: DRKWNG on February 06, 2010, 08:20:43 AM
Guys, this is a cool thread. Please, let's leave any and all talk that could possibly be construed as political out of here. Don't want to see it get locked due to a misunderstanding.
Thanks.
Didn't mean for my post to come off as political as it was meant to following the law, which is completely different then politics.
However, at your wishes, I will not post about the legal aspect of safely and carrying within the law in my state of residence.
gun talk only.
think I am going to start saving up for a Springfield M1A.
Thought about getting an AK, but already have a M4, so don't see the point right now. I'd rather have a higher powered rifle.
I've been thinking a lot about a CETME (Or HK-91), or a FN-FAL.
I've seen CETMEs is decent shape for ~$700. Anybody have much experience with any of the three above rifles?
(Also looking seriously at a Sig 556. Shot a friend's, and really liked it.)
Wasn't so much directed at you Judd, or anyone in particular. The thread was almost locked a while back and I just wanted to make sure it stayed open.
As far as the next rifle goes, have you thought about something like an SR-25/SASS?
I'm trying to stay away from direct impingement.
Fair enough. Rumor has it that LMT will release a piston variant with the MRP platform in 7.62.
I am also looking at getting an LWRC upper in 6.8 to go along with the SR-15 E3 that I just bought.
Quote from: zarn02 on February 06, 2010, 12:46:06 PM
I've been thinking a lot about a CETME (Or HK-91), or a FN-FAL.
I've seen CETMEs is decent shape for ~$700. Anybody have much experience with any of the three above rifles?
(Also looking seriously at a Sig 556. Shot a friend's, and really liked it.)
Almost all of hte CETMES are Century and range from "lousy" to "decent."
You can find dozens of different makes of FALs so you can find htem cheap(er) to super expensive. The barrel ban made prices jump a few years back, but so much surplus items came in you can still find deals. I have a couple of FALs and I love them more than any of the others. The PTR/HK91 rifle is nice but much scarcer. FALs are widely used and have tons of aftermarket stuf.
You'll get a lot of input from your CETME or FAL etc. post. I also am a big fan of FALs. All of mine are Belgian FNs and one Argentine (actually a real nice one!), even have two sear cut G series rifles. I have never shot a DSA/FAL but I have read goods things about them. I read a torture test on one years ago and it came through like a champ! I forget how many rounds they ran straight through it but it was damn impressive. [thumbsup]
Quote from: fastwin on February 06, 2010, 01:22:44 PM
You'll get a lot of input from your CETME or FAL etc. post. I also am a big fan of FALs. All of mine are Belgian FNs and one Argentine (actually a real nice one!), even have two sear cut G series rifles. I have never shot a DSA/FAL but I have read goods things about them. I read a torture test on one years ago and it came through like a champ! I forget how many rounds they ran straight through it but it was damn impressive. [thumbsup]
FALs are pretty amazing, read about the Tale of Old Dirty (http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=68486&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;perpage=50&pagenumber=1).
something like 20,000 rounds without being cleaned. lubed, but not cleaned. at one point, he threw it in a pond to "clean" it, sprayed it down with lube and kept going. pretty brutal. pics posted.
Cleaning Old Dirty:
(http://www.falfiles.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=588016)
Drip dry
(http://www.falfiles.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=588027)
Back to shooting while mud is still on the rifle:
(http://www.falfiles.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=588030)
You can do this with an AK/Galili, maybe an SKS. I challenge any AR love to try it...
Quote from: cyrus buelton on February 06, 2010, 12:42:03 PM
Thought about getting an AK, but already have a M4, so don't see the point right now.
zombies, duh.
Quote from: ducatiz on February 06, 2010, 03:11:56 PM
You can do this with an AK/Galili, maybe an SKS. I challenge any AR love to try it...
MAYBE with an LWRC or the like, but definitely not with a DI gun.
I am from UK so no longer allowed to own any guns ,I used to have a big collection and I nove live in Thailand where as a foreigner i am not allowed to own a gun either ......however my wife is Thai so we have a couple of shooters .....the only problem is that they cost 3 times the USA price so we have a S&W .38 small frame for my wife and i have a sawn off greener 12 bore and a machete and a realy nice Russian Spetznatz combat switch blade its not a toy the spring is reallky heavy duty .I am trying to get a 9mm here but they cost $3000 minimum for a SIG226 or a Glock although Illegal guns are freely available including AK47 and RPG7.
When i go to work i am often required to carry a weapon and my personal choice is a SIG 226 as a side arm and a Galil as a main weapon, but often i have to take whats available.I dont like glocks they dont seem that accurate to me , i like the new Walther 99 and HK I also like Kimber 1911 45s . M16s M4 and AK47 0r 74 are all handy pieces but I have even carried an old Thomsen 45 M1A1 as a personal defence weapon ,it was reliable and you knew whatever it hit would stay down .
The Sig 226 is a weapon I cant seem to miss a target with it seems an extension of my mind i look at a target even one handed shot and they go to it .Its soldly made ,functional, not pretty but to me its a bautiful tool.
Yes, especially for this feature:
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As an interesting additional feature, it is possible to take the drum magazine off the firearm, attach a detonator, and use it as an anti-personnel mine that fires all of the cartridges at once when tripped. The manufacturer advertised this as the "Beartrap."[2]
Source: Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancor_Jackhammer#Technical_definitions)
Went to a local gun show yesterday for the first time in probably 7-8 years. Used to live at the shows all over Dallas-Ft. Worth, never missed one then after years of going I just got tired of all the same old sh#t and stopped. This one used to be OK but yesterday it sucked. All the big dealers/collectors that used to be there were gone and someone most have opened the doors and released all those zombies y'all have been talking about. Some of the folks creeped me out, I felt more comfortable being around the "pants on da ground" gang banger wannabes. I swear every other woman had on a Harley t-shirt or jacket... not that there's anything wrong with that. [laugh] I was just disappointed by the whole scene, not the quality of dealers and hardware that used to be there. Maybe I'll try and hit one of the better ones in the future and see how it's held up.
OK... back to showing off your guns! ;D
I quit going to gun shows a few years ago.
The last one I went to sucked. The pricing was awful, there were no deals, etc.
I've heard the best deals are the ones you strike up with fellow attendees. My favorite vendors are the guys who sell the anarachist books. make the beast with two backsing hilarious.
Last gun show before that was at the State Fair Grounds when I was living in Indy.
A Certified Glock Armorist (or whatever they are called) actually discharged a firearm at the show, on a concrete floor by accident!!!
Thank god I wasn't there.
Nice. [roll] Gee, bet that AD really helped his business! [bang] :P He's lucky the ricochet didn't kill someone! Aren't there usually about 200 signs at shows saying no loaded guns, no loaded magazines, etc?? I noticed about ten signs yesterday around the entrance specifically saying that even though you may have a concealed carry license you cannot bring in your loaded carry gun. I guess those have popped up since I stopped going a few years back. Wasn't carrying anyway.
Quote from: fastwin on February 07, 2010, 12:13:47 PM
Nice. [roll] Gee, bet that AD really helped his business! [bang] :P He's lucky the ricochet didn't kill someone! Aren't there usually about 200 signs at shows saying no loaded guns, no loaded magazines, etc?? I noticed about ten signs yesterday around the entrance specifically saying that even though you may have a concealed carry license you cannot bring in your loaded carry gun. I guess those have popped up since I stopped going a few years back. Wasn't carrying anyway.
Not sure what the rules are for the vendors.
You could carry into this show, but I believe no loaded mags and they would make you open the slide and put a zip tie through the barrel and out ejection port or in from where the mag loads. I can't remember, but they zip died it so when the slide would close, it would hit the plastic tie. Seemed pointless.
Not really sure what that would accomplish............
Quote from: cyrus buelton on February 07, 2010, 12:32:31 PM
Not really sure what that would accomplish............
Keeps the weapon from being able to return to battery.
Yep, all the guns on display or the ones you bring with you are inspected by a police officer and zip tied the same way.
Quote from: fastwin on February 07, 2010, 09:40:26 AM
Went to a local gun show yesterday for the first time in probably 7-8 years. Used to live at the shows all over Dallas-Ft. Worth, never missed one then after years of going I just got tired of all the same old sh#t and stopped. This one used to be OK but yesterday it sucked. All the big dealers/collectors that used to be there were gone and someone most have opened the doors and released all those zombies y'all have been talking about. Some of the folks creeped me out,
that's pretty typical, i think. i've been to some where the beef jerky and "snarky t-shirt" vendors outnumbered actual gun sellers.
back in memphis, i used to go to one and there was a neo-nazi guy there every time with a table with pamphlets and shit. one year i went, and they had put a black gun dealer next to him, the black dude had a bunch of 2nd AM posters and a JEWS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF FIREARMS OWNERSHIP poster which he had set up RIGHT next to the nazi's booth. I stopped and chatted with him and asked him if he had complained.. he was like "hell no, it's my civic duty to be right here and drive this idiot NUTS".. i bought an SKS from him.
^^^
I remember you told me that story a few years ago.
That is great
That is awesome! [laugh] Yeah, the non gun dealers pretty much equaled or maybe even out numbered the gun/accessory dealers at that show. There was even a lady selling baked goods!! What next? Girl Scout cookies? Hey, I'd buy those!! [thumbsup] Put the Girl Scouts on the other side of the neo-Nazi yahoo! [laugh] Maybe he'd even buy some.
Was reading Boston's Gun Bible over the weekend while the power was out. That book is a trip to read, particularly when you are feeling a bit apocalyptic......need to buy more guns, more ammo, and a generator.......
i went to a gun show out here, think it was in Garland (essentially in DFW) and was shocked and amazed at the lack of Klan/Neo-Nazi stuff that I was used to seeing in North Mississippi gun shows. There was always one or two idiots who'd bring the weirdest 'memorabilia' to those gun shows and it really made the whole event much more "memorable" (and in my mind humorous - i had to find humor in those people).
That's noticeably absent from the DFW gun shows, and as such, I've been a little bored. There's only so many new-fangled knife sharpeners and whatnot to look at, stuff that's the same/identical every time and sometimes quite overpriced, I get bored pretty quickly.
I find that sites like TexasGunTrader and similar are a much better way to find 'deals' - its how I got the A+ condition EG Makarov
I just hope we get to keep our guns ??? Would not like to be in land like he discribed not being able to own some. ???
moved
Quote from: ducatiz on February 08, 2010, 09:45:56 AM
i have a little pos 1000w 2 stroke gen that i've had for about 8 years now. I used to live in NYC and I needed it for power tools at the parking lot. I used it during the blackout there -- put it on top of my window unit AC and ran an extension cord to my fridge.
I've used it for several blackouts around here. This saturday, when the power went out, I wired it into our main breakers for the furnace fan and fridge. I did the math and the furnace fan uses 3A and the fridge uses 6.1A. It grunted and ran like a champ, we had heat, fridge and cooking (gas). I plugged in one light circuit in the bedrooms and we had light (thanks to using CFLs everywhere).
I want a bigger generator, but this one cost me $89 at harbor freight. It's small and as long as I keep putting stabil in it and good gas, it will run forever.
"ETQ, I LUV U"
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$89 bucks???? I can't afford not to have one. We had lights, in the form of propane camp lanterns, and a gas stove and gas hot water, but sure would have been nice to have a little heat.......
Quote from: angler on February 08, 2010, 09:55:57 AM
$89 bucks???? I can't afford not to have one. We had lights, in the form of propane camp lanterns, and a gas stove and gas hot water, but sure would have been nice to have a little heat.......
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Quote from: RED on February 08, 2010, 09:21:37 AM
I just hope we get to keep our guns ??? Would not like to be in land like he discribed not being able to own some. ???
We don't do politics.
They will get threads locked or removed.
Thanks for listening.
Anybody have any experience with the Kel Tec SU 16a series? You might call these "trunk monkeys". It folds in half. I am looking for FHE. They are also not too terribly expensive (probably for a reason)
Quote from: ato memphis on February 08, 2010, 11:53:14 AM
Anybody have any experience with the Kel Tec SU 16a series? You might call these "trunk monkeys". It folds in half. I am looking for FHE. They are also not too terribly expensive (probably for a reason)
I can't imagine it folding being a problem.
I could technically "fold" my AR in half by pushing out the receive pins.
I have a Keltec 32 which I purchased from a douchebag friend ( [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]) and the quality of that piece is very good, so I would imagine that rifle is probably pretty good.
Long over due, but here are the pictures of the Benelli Ducs Unlimited Super Nova I picked up for 200$ from a friend.
It was hard to take pics of since it has a 28" barrel on it.
I am not going to shoot this gun that often and probably not for a while due to my shoulder surgery.
What is the best way to store it to keep it from getting damaged by humidity, etc etc.
It won't fit in any of my hard cases as it is too make the beast with two backsing long!!
Enjoy.
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/jshoward11/SuperNova1.jpg)
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Quote from: cyrus buelton on February 08, 2010, 01:35:50 PM
Long over due, but here are the pictures of the Benelli Ducs Unlimited Super Nova I picked up for 200$ from a friend.
It was hard to take pics of since it has a 28" barrel on it.
I am not going to shoot this gun that often and probably not for a while due to my shoulder surgery.
What is the best way to store it to keep it from getting damaged by humidity, etc etc.
It won't fit in any of my hard cases as it is too make the beast with two backsing long!!
Enjoy.
snip
They used to coat everything in cosmolene.
That is outdated and barbaric...
Use WD-40. ;)
Quote from: ato memphis on February 08, 2010, 11:53:14 AM
Anybody have any experience with the Kel Tec SU 16a series? You might call these "trunk monkeys". It folds in half. I am looking for FHE. They are also not too terribly expensive (probably for a reason)
i would not bother with the A version. You can't fire it when folded. The C version can be fired when folded and is a bit more compact when folded.
the quality is typical kel-tec -- spartan but functional. it wasn't pleasant to fire, the plastic is a bit rough. maybe a thin rubber coating would fix it and give it more "Grab" and body.
I liked it. but I have a dozen truck guns, including a "witness protection" s/g which I would love to use as a carry piece. but i digress.
Unless you get the A version cheap cheap (200-300) i would pay the extra bill for the C version.
I am thinking about putting a generic hogue rubber grip on my Keltec 32. Of course it will need to be cut and modded, but all my handguns have keltec grips as I like the feel and gives me a uniform "grip" feeling.
I'd like to put one on my Tomcat 32, but with where the mag release is located, it would need some severe modification to accomodate that.
Anybody have an opinion on this FAL clone offered by Atlantic?
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct618.aspx (http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct618.aspx)
Quote from: zarn02 on February 09, 2010, 07:17:55 PM
Anybody have an opinion on this FAL clone offered by Atlantic?
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct618.aspx (http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct618.aspx)
Entreprise used to have a bad reputation. I don't know if they've come around or not. Gunplumber (the FAL expert, no really..) wouldn't touch them last I checked.
That being said, if the rifle cycles and fires safely then it should be fine. I know Entreprise made an aluminum receiver and it was a disaster, this is a normal steel one.
Quote from: ducatiz on February 10, 2010, 01:42:00 AM
Entreprise used to have a bad reputation. I don't know if they've come around or not. Gunplumber (the FAL expert, no really..) wouldn't touch them last I checked.
That being said, if the rifle cycles and fires safely then it should be fine. I know Entreprise made an aluminum receiver and it was a disaster, this is a normal steel one.
They've got a pile of them at my local gun store....
I wonder if the "parts kit" they use contains new or used parts or a mix? You'd think if the kit was all new parts they would be proud of it and say so. Could be used components that have been re-finished. Maybe Angler can shed some light since he's seen them at the store. I am not familiar with that make of FAL.
I used to own an Atlantic Arms AR-15. (I think that was the MFG).
The quality wasn't all that great.
Quote from: fastwin on February 10, 2010, 07:34:49 AM
I wonder if the "parts kit" they use contains new or used parts or a mix? You'd think if the kit was all new parts they would be proud of it and say so. Could be used components that have been re-finished. Maybe Angler can shed some light since he's seen them at the store. I am not familiar with that make of FAL.
I don't know. I remember talking to the sale person and handling one, but can't recall the specifics. I recall him saying that Atlantic builds them out of surplus parts. They look all new.
I tried calling them, but we are in the middle of a blizzard and they aren't open. I'd be happy to ask next time I'm in there.....
I've bought parts kits before. It can be hit and miss, like most other things.
Most kits are demilled military surplus, so they run the gamut. My AMD kit looks like it had never been fired, but had a lot of scuffing from moving around a warehouse or three.
Hey ZZila i like your 1911, i was thinking of getting a S&W 1911 .45
Quote from: fastwin on February 10, 2010, 07:34:49 AM
I wonder if the "parts kit" they use contains new or used parts or a mix? You'd think if the kit was all new parts they would be proud of it and say so. Could be used components that have been re-finished. Maybe Angler can shed some light since he's seen them at the store. I am not familiar with that make of FAL.
All of them have new, USA-made parts to satisfy the parts count requirements. This usually means hammer, trigger, sear, piston, pistol grip/butt, muzzle device and the magazine parts (spring, follower, bottom), and some other parts, i forgot how manh USA parts are required on a FAL.
Most have the original barrels but after the barrel ban, they have USA made barrels.
It is not entirely "accurate" to say "make of FAL" because VERY FEW of them are 100% ground up from one source. Usually they are parts kit made from any of 2 dozen countries (all matching parts usually) and a new receiver (since the old one was full auto and destroyed).
That being said, there are PLENTY of people making top quality replacement parts -- internals, magazines, barrels, stocks, even bolts and bolt carriers too.
DSA makes a 100% "new" gun with newly made parts but it runs $4000-4500. They sell one that is made from Austrian FAL parts kits (they bought almost ALL of Austria's milsurp FALs, like 800,000 of them!!) and a new USA made receiver for about $1100.
so, what you are saying is they are inexpensive.
Could be. They are refinished and nice
I was joking - you said $4k!
Oh yeah. I thought you meant the austrian milsurp kits. The DSA fal that is all USA new parts is a thing to behold
i beholdin' one if i had the money.
I just picked up a Sig Sauer P238 today.
[thumbsup]
I'll post pics of my small menagerie tonight.
Quote from: ato memphis on February 10, 2010, 11:08:07 AM
i beholdin' one if i had the money.
[laugh]
Quote from: Ghostly Pip on February 10, 2010, 11:11:48 AM
I just picked up a Sig Sauer P238 today.
[thumbsup]
I'll post pics of my small menagerie tonight.
can't go wrong with the Swiss. the 238 is very chunky looking, i wonder how it handles?
i have a 220 and a 232. both are great guns.
Quote from: ducatiz on February 10, 2010, 11:16:23 AM
can't go wrong with the Swiss. the 238 is very chunky looking, i wonder how it handles?
It's a pretty ergonomic little gun. I've got medium hands with thin fingers, and it feels just right in my hand. YMMV of course. I've yet to shoot it, but when i do, I'll post up a little bit about it.
Dumb... as... hell...
http://www.laserlyte.com/Pistol_Bayonet/PB-3/PB-3.html (http://www.laserlyte.com/Pistol_Bayonet/PB-3/PB-3.html)
[roll]
Quote from: zarn02 on February 12, 2010, 03:06:00 PM
Dumb... as... hell...
http://www.laserlyte.com/Pistol_Bayonet/PB-3/PB-3.html (http://www.laserlyte.com/Pistol_Bayonet/PB-3/PB-3.html)
[roll]
Hey...
you never know when a paper target deserves a thorough stabbing. [thumbsup]
Quote from: zarn02 on February 12, 2010, 03:06:00 PM
Dumb... as... hell...
http://www.laserlyte.com/Pistol_Bayonet/PB-3/PB-3.html (http://www.laserlyte.com/Pistol_Bayonet/PB-3/PB-3.html)
[roll]
about as dumb as this:
http://www.concealco.com/miva/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=ACL&Category_Code=15-CCU (http://www.concealco.com/miva/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=ACL&Category_Code=15-CCU)
Quote from: ducatiz on February 12, 2010, 03:12:55 PM
about as dumb as this:
http://www.concealco.com/miva/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=ACL&Category_Code=15-CCU (http://www.concealco.com/miva/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=ACL&Category_Code=15-CCU)
Wouldn't actually
using that product make you an instant criminal, unless you filled out some paperwork and sent the gents in DC some money? :P
And for ~$350, you could just buy a carbine, and have
two guns instead of one that's "some assembly required."
It didn't seem nearly as dumb till I gave it a moment's thought.
Quote from: zarn02 on February 12, 2010, 03:24:37 PM
Wouldn't actually using that product make you an instant criminal, unless you filled out some paperwork and sent the gents in DC some money? :P
no.
as long as you put a butt AND a long barrel on at the same time, then you're not doing anything illegal. put a butt on and no barrel, then it's an SBR. if you put a barrel on and no butt, then it might not meet minimum length.
but no, it's not illegal, it's just dumb.
Quote from: ducatiz on February 12, 2010, 04:19:34 PM
no.
if you put a barrel on and no butt, then it might not meet minimum length.
.
no, then it's just a pistol with a long barrel... no restrictions there.
Just what everyone needs, a bayonet attached to their polymer framed pistol. [bang] I wonder if Thunder Ranch teaches a tactical class on it's proper use? What's next?... an attachable weed eater? Shoot bad guys while you trim the lawn? Hmmm, could happen. ;D
I guess if you miss the first 10 times...
Quote from: cduarte on February 12, 2010, 06:30:31 PM
no, then it's just a pistol with a long barrel... no restrictions there.
ah, the 26" minimum applies only to rifles.. how funny...
This thread seems like the best place to post these. . .
Thought you guys would get a kick out of them.
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Quote from: Monsterlover on February 14, 2010, 02:30:28 PM
This thread seems like the best place to post these. . .
Thought you guys would get a kick out of them.
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Some one's been spending a lot of time at LaRue's web site. ;)
Quote from: Monsterlover on February 14, 2010, 02:30:28 PM
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Quote from: DRKWNG on February 14, 2010, 02:56:13 PM
Some one's been spending a lot of time at LaRue's web site. ;)
Nope, found on ADVrider ;)
Going to google LaRue now. . .
<edit> Cool stuff :)
We use alot of LaRue products at work. [thumbsup]
Standard rifle to rooney gun in under a minute! [cheeky]
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 14, 2010, 04:35:14 PM
We use alot of LaRue products at work. [thumbsup]
Talkin' about the Dillos, are ya? [cheeky]
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Quote from: kopfjäger on February 14, 2010, 04:35:14 PM
We use alot of LaRue products at work. [thumbsup]
Yep. Top notch gear from top notch guys. They sent me quite a few care packages last time I was "out there".
Ok, someone other than Cyrus. For carry, HK USP compact or Sig 229?
No experience with HK, but I've heard they are sick nice. I do, however, have experience with Sig. My little P238 is a solid piece of work. Great engineering, attention to detail, the works. Sig's ergo is legendary... but the only way to tell is to put sweaty little hands on both.
And then post pics. [thumbsup]
ccw? makarov or 1911 for me. apparently i like old-school tech.
Quote from: duccarlos on February 18, 2010, 04:29:26 PM
Ok, someone other than Cyrus. For carry, HK USP compact or Sig 229?
If it was my decision, I would go with the Sig. Both are great weapons, but the 229 fits my hand MUCH better. Plus, I have never liked the curvature of the HK's trigger. And while we are talking ergos, the Sig just seems to be a much more natural pointing pistol to me. Of course this only applies to me, ymmv.
And on a different note, just picked up something nice from the gun store. Pics posted.
Picked up my new rifle this evening. Got a Knights Armament SR-15 E3 set up and started moving some of the gear from the other M4 over to the new one. Can't decide if I like the SOPMOD or the CTR stock better...
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z53/b_upton/Guns/DSC_0018-3.jpg)
I'll try to get a couple of pictures in the sunlight tomorrow.
sigs and hks are horrible carry guns... too big and bulky. A lightweight commander or browning hipower conceals a lot more easily.
My only HK pistol experience is with the HKP7 and P13 pistols, not a lot of USP stuff. The rifles are another topic, including my MP5. The P7 is old but nice, the P13s are thick like a Glock 21 .45ACP. If you like 9mm you really should look at the 9mm P7 squeeze cocker... if you are into non-typical guns. I took a tactical class from John Farnham/Defense Training Int'l. years ago at the NRA/Whittington Center in New Mexico and several guys from the New Jersey State Police were there and their carry gun was the single stack HKP7 in 9mm. They f#@king rocked with that pistol!! [thumbsup] They were going to transition to a more modern, hi-cap pistol soon (can't remember what...) but they kicked butt with the 8 round single stack P7. Just shows once again it's the shooter not the gun! [bow_down] I love my P7 but I'm kind of a 1911/Browning Hi-Power kind of guy.
Quote from: cduarte on February 18, 2010, 05:39:22 PM
sigs and hks are horrible carry guns... too big and bulky. A lightweight commander or browning hipower conceals a lot more easily.
i wouldn't say "horrible" because different folks' bodies allow different kinds of carry, but yes both are thick make the beast with two backsers. i really like single stack 9s or .380 mouse guns. If you don't want a mousegun, and like the SIG, look at the old P225 which is a single stack with the same functionality as other SIGs
HKs are great holster guns. no doubt, i have a full size 45 but the slide is like 5 inches wide (it seems, i am exaggerating).
i carry the Ruger LCP right now and love it. it's like it's not there at all, but it works beautifully. I tried to love the KelTec PF9 but it's just too fugly and the trigger mechanism feels like a staple gun. Kellgren has done some good but this isn't his best.
..
picked up another colt, 1968 .38 Super...
(http://home.comcast.net/~c.duarte/38_Superc.jpg)
Those 38 Supers are really popular in Mehico, is it a mexi model?
Pic posted above. ^
Quote from: duccarlos on February 18, 2010, 04:29:26 PM
Ok, someone other than Cyrus. For carry, HK USP compact or Sig 229?
Actually I think I am going to carry my newest handgun purchase for carry:
Glock Model 33, which is a sub-compact .357 Sig.
I am not the biggest Glock fan, but I like the size, the caliber, and the way it feels.
You have small hands but make sure if you look at one, have the shop put the mag extender piece which adds a holding spot for your pinky. I dont know what that piece is called. Someone can probably chime in with the technical term. I also bought a generic hogue grip which I had to cut with a utility knife to make it fit to the gun, but it is nice. I have them on most of my handguns (minus my .32 Keltec and Tomcat) so I have the same "feel" when I grab them.
Any gun from close range will do the business you need it to. Hell, a few well placed shots with a .22 handgun will take care of the issue.
I just choose the largest round to fit my frame and carry.
When I lived in Indiana, I used to conceal a USP-40 full size. You know I am not the biggest person, but with a cheap ass Mike's inside the pants holster, it worked out just fine for me.
If you want a nice, small large caliber gun, look at the sub-compact 1911's. They are are a bit pricey, but most seem to like them.
I am about to get ripped a new one..........
but I dont like 1911's.
I don't like that beaver tail safety on them. Maybe it is what I am used to shooting, but I make the beast with two backsing hate them.
I am sure they are nice guns, but not something I like.
Quote from: ato memphis on February 18, 2010, 04:53:40 PM
ccw? makarov or 1911 for me. apparently i like old-school tech.
Mak
or 1911?
I mean they're both slim single-stack guns, but one of those is still much bigger than the other...
I've carried a Mak, and always found it very comfortable.
Glock 36 for carry, small thin, .45acp
Quote from: zarn02 on February 18, 2010, 08:07:49 PM
Mak or 1911?
I mean they're both slim single-stack guns, but one of those is still much bigger than the other...
I've carried a Mak, and always found it very comfortable.
its a 4" 1911, slim grips on it, alu frame (Kimber). The Makarov is about the same weight with ammo in it, perceptually. I figure I could always hit somebody with it over top of the head if the old 9x18 don't work. [cheeky]
9mm mak is pretty hot IIRC. Not a bad round for the OA size
nowhere near as high pressure as 9x19. no locking breach or whatever the terminology is...If you shoot 9x19 out of the makarov you risk launching the slide backwards off of it. Sure, there are youtubes of people doing it and surviving with only a bang up gun, but sheesh, what a bad idea.
the mak is fun because it makes most people into "good shooters" - quite pointable, good enough SA trigger (DA/SA function), and the barrel is fixed. No pivoting, no rotating, no nothing. That, along with the low recoil makes it pretty easy to develop some fundamentals before picking up a hand cannon.
Try a Smith and Wesson 3913/3914. Very accurate, damned near indestructable, small size, plenty of choices for 9mm defensive rounds, and can handle +P. I'd love to pick one up, but the P238 called my name too loudly.
Maybe it will be easier if I explained what I'm going to use it for. It will be mainly home defense, allowing for my wife's lack of experience in handguns, so it should be easy to handle for a beginner. I would prefer a lower caliber as well so that I don't have to spend too much $$$ when I take it to the range. I'm also going to carry only when I'm on the bike. I will be using a shoulder hoster since I always ride with jackets.
Now start shooting off suggestions.
Quote from: ato memphis on February 19, 2010, 02:06:53 AM
its a 4" 1911, slim grips on it, alu frame (Kimber). The Makarov is about the same weight with ammo in it, perceptually. I figure I could always hit somebody with it over top of the head if the old 9x18 don't work. [cheeky]
[laugh]
Very true. The Mak is sturdy enough for this.
Any S&W 3rd gen.
39xx/69xx (9mm)
40xx (40S&W)
45xx (45 ACP)
10xx (10mm [evil] )
Cheap, plentiful, strong... I've got a former police 6946, and I love it. Got it for free too. ;D
Quote from: Ghostly Pip on February 19, 2010, 04:51:36 AM
Try a Smith and Wesson 3913/3914. Very accurate, damned near indestructable, small size, plenty of choices for 9mm defensive rounds, and can handle +P. I'd love to pick one up, but the P238 called my name too loudly.
the 3913s go for a premium because of the customizing options. if you have the money, fine, but they are not priced like other single stack 9s because of whatsisface
Quote from: duccarlos on February 19, 2010, 05:14:33 AM
Maybe it will be easier if I explained what I'm going to use it for. It will be mainly home defense, allowing for my wife's lack of experience in handguns, so it should be easy to handle for a beginner. I would prefer a lower caliber as well so that I don't have to spend too much $$$ when I take it to the range. I'm also going to carry only when I'm on the bike. I will be using a shoulder hoster since I always ride with jackets.
same gun for home and for carry? really? i don't thinkthat's a good idea. too limiting.
revolver for home and a mousegun for carry on the bike. a 38/357 revolver is relatively cheap compared to autoloaders of similar caliber and it's much easier to maintain and learn to use. mousegun (like one of the many miniature 380s) is a better option for riding because they are SMALL and designed to be carried concealed -- drop proof, hammerless, etc
revolver...maintain? haha! if it goes bang each time you pull the trigger the first time you test it at the range, she's good for life!
sure, you might want to prevent cosmetic surface rusting, but unless you are storing inside the tank of the toilet, i think she'll be good.
(vague reference to Godfather included for your amusement, distinguishable: stuck behind tank versus in the tank)
1 gun option. That's why I was looking at a Sig or HK.
I say Sig then.
That's where I was leaning to.
If wife isnt so familiar, Smith Model 66 or the Ruger SP101 are both stainless, somewhat small and can shoot the .38 and .357 as previously mentioned.
Ive got a 66, 2.5" barrel, adjustable sights, 6 shot, bulletproof.
I wouldnt rely on a semi for home defense unless you and wifey take lessons and practice often. One stove piped casing and you are SOL.
stiff wrists, ftw! if the wrist gives, the slide has trouble travelling back and case sits there, looking at you like you are a fool!
My 228 hangs up every once in a while......The 17, never, not even once.
Ive always thought the Glock "trigger safety" was bullshit......the 1911's is at least explainable.
Tizz,
Is a Keltec 32 a "mousegun" as you call it?
Just get a 44 magnum or desert eagle 50 cal
Quote from: cyrus buelton on February 19, 2010, 01:28:23 PM
Is a Keltec 32 a "mousegun" as you call it?
I'd call .32 pretty close to "mousegun." ~.30 caliber is fine if you throw a lot of power behind it (see: 7.62x25 Czech, or, you know, rifles...), but otherwise I'd be looking for something bigger for more knockdown power.
Having never shot someone, I can't say from first hand experience, but from what I read .380 is about the low-rung for an effective man-stopper, and that depends a lot on the load.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on February 19, 2010, 01:28:23 PM
Tizz,
Is a Keltec 32 a "mousegun" as you call it?
it just means a low(er) powered cartridge in a small pistol. 380 is probably the upper limit. 25 or 32 are typical chamberings.
hadn't checked this thread for a while - it has a lot of cool stuff in it.
I thought I would throw this out for some eye candy - I don't own one, but still want to convert my mint 870express from high school into something similar
http://www.wilsoncombat.com/s_standard.asp (http://www.wilsoncombat.com/s_standard.asp)
(http://www.wilsoncombat.com/shotguns/professional/large/10.jpg)
mitt
Quote from: mitt on February 19, 2010, 05:45:16 PM
hadn't checked this thread for a while - it has a lot of cool stuff in it.
I thought I would throw this out for some eye candy - I don't own one, but still want to convert my mint 870express from high school into something similar
http://www.wilsoncombat.com/s_standard.asp (http://www.wilsoncombat.com/s_standard.asp)
(http://www.wilsoncombat.com/shotguns/professional/large/10.jpg)
mitt
HOORAY for scattergun!!! [thumbsup]
Here is a slightly better pic of the SR-15.
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z53/b_upton/Guns/DSC_0021-1.jpg)
^^^
What the make the beast with two backs is that??!?!?
I had an awful past 3 days at work, so might go blow some steam off at the range tomorrow.
The problem is I am left eye dominate, so I shoot off my left shoulder, which I just had surgery on about 7 weeks ago.
However, I think my AR-15 with my 22LR conversion will be fine.
I would love to shoot my Saiga 12, but I think the wifey will be testing out that beast for me :)
I will probably dump a mag or two through my new Glock just to see how it shoots; it's been a while since I shot a .357 sig round and it was in a revolver, not a semi auto compact.
Quote from: ato memphis on February 19, 2010, 08:09:40 AM
stiff wrists, ftw! if the wrist gives, the slide has trouble travelling back and case sits there, looking at you like you are a fool!
My wrists, stance and form are fine. Think I need a new spring or only shoot good ammo....
Quote from: cyrus buelton on February 19, 2010, 06:37:05 PM
^^^
What the make the beast with two backs is that??!?!?
Judd, was that meant to the shotty or the carbine? If the latter, it's a Knights Armament SR-15 E3.
Quote from: DRKWNG on February 20, 2010, 09:13:56 AM
Judd, was that meant to the shotty or the carbine? If the latter, it's a Knights Armament SR-15 E3.
That last pic you posted, which I gues is the SR-15 E3.
You are military, correct?
Quote from: cyrus buelton on February 20, 2010, 09:16:11 AM
That last pic you posted, which I gues is the SR-15 E3.
You are military, correct?
Yes, I'm still active duty. One more tour and I am done though. Best thing about getting though is that I get to do the same job I do now, but directly four the three letter shop instead of the AF. AND, I get to take my new personally owned toys out with me the next time I deploy.
Quote from: DRKWNG on February 19, 2010, 06:31:57 PM
HOORAY for scattergun!!! [thumbsup]
Here is a slightly better pic of the SR-15.
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z53/b_upton/Guns/DSC_0021-1.jpg)
Mmmm..... Magpul goodies! [thumbsup]
How do you like the Magpul AFG?
Quote from: Rev. Millertime on February 20, 2010, 09:23:04 AM
How do you like the Magpul AFG?
Still getting used to it. It feels nice while doing a few manipulation drills, but I haven't gotten much of any range time with it just yet. Jury is still out I guess...
Quote from: DRKWNG on February 20, 2010, 09:21:34 AM
Yes, I'm still active duty. One more tour and I am done though. Best thing about getting though is that I get to do the same job I do now, but directly four the three letter shop instead of the AF. AND, I get to take my new personally owned toys out with me the next time I deploy.
That's what I was getting at.
Is this your service gun or is it going to be yours on next tour?
semi or select fire?
Quote from: DRKWNG on February 19, 2010, 06:31:57 PM
HOORAY for scattergun!!! [thumbsup]
Here is a slightly better pic of the SR-15.
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z53/b_upton/Guns/DSC_0021-1.jpg)
Curious, does the light/mount interfere with the BUIS or the Eotech?
Quote from: cyrus buelton on February 20, 2010, 09:29:10 AM
That's what I was getting at.
Is this your service gun or is it going to be yours on next tour?
semi or select fire?
This one is my personal weapon, but it will go out with me the next time I go play in the 'box.
Quote from: rgramjet on February 20, 2010, 09:51:42 AM
Curious, does the light/mount interfere with the BUIS or the Eotech?
The light does not interfere at all; it's mounted at the one o'clock position and cannot be seen when looking through the Eotech.
Also, which eotech is that? are you happy with it? Ive been considering one for my ar. pricing is all over the place.....
Mine is the 552. Am I happy with it? Well, let's just say this; it is only on the weapon long enough for me to decide what glass I want on there permanently. I think it will either wear a short dot (or something similar) or maybe an acog. I'm not really a fan of Eotech optics, but just happened to have this one laying around. Didn't want to pull the M68 off the other M4 until I decided I would keep or sell it.
Quote from: ducpainter on February 08, 2010, 11:51:01 AM
We don't do politics.
They will get threads locked or removed.
Thanks for listening.
I'll go away now. [thumbsup]
Can anyone recommend a relatively cheap and decent 2X ACOG? My brother is looking for one for his AR 7.62 but I've only seen $1K and up.
Hey Jud, which revolver were you using that shot .357 Sig?
Quote from: Ghostly Pip on February 23, 2010, 09:29:21 AM
Hey Jud, which revolver were you using that shot .357 Sig?
not a revolver, Its a Glock Semi
Quote from: cyrus buelton on February 19, 2010, 06:37:05 PM
I will probably dump a mag or two through my new Glock just to see how it shoots; it's been a while since I shot a .357 sig round and it was in a revolver, not a semi auto compact.
Just wondered if he meant .357 mag in the revolver.
That's what I was thinking.
Someone's confused.
Quote from: Ghostly Pip on February 23, 2010, 09:29:21 AM
Hey Jud, which revolver were you using that shot .357 Sig?
Already been addressed, but not a revolver.
It is a Glock Model 33.
Sub-Compact .357 Sig.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on February 19, 2010, 06:37:05 PM
I will probably dump a mag or two through my new Glock just to see how it shoots; it's been a while since I shot a .357 sig round and it was in a revolver, not a semi auto compact.
;D
If you call wheelguns "revolvers" then you should be consistent and call autoloaders "reciprocators"
Quote from: ducatiz on February 24, 2010, 10:03:53 AM
If you call wheelguns "revolvers" then you should be consistent and call autoloaders "reciprocators"
I think I need a reciprocating revolver. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_revolver)
Now that I'm home I can participate. Unfortunately, I came home early, which mean I didn't get to spend what I really planned on spending. So, here is my AR and my newest addition, A Sig P220 SAO.
The AR is built with:
Bushmaster lower
Rock River upper in 6.8 SPC
DPMS internals
Timney match trigger
Rock River grip
Magpul UBR stock
EOTech 55x something or other (got it cheap through work)
Next up is replacing the fore-end. I want something with rails so I can put the Magpul AFG on it. Tried one at the shop today and that thing is perfect for me.
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2746/4385767666_e371a359dd_b.jpg)
I dig single action autos. How's the 220 SAO treating you?
(Also, on the topic on single action autos, does Para Ordnance make a single action version of the 14rd 1911? All I ever hear about is the LDA....)
Quote from: zarn02 on February 24, 2010, 11:15:11 AM
I dig single action autos. How's the 220 SAO treating you?
Dude, I literally bought it 2 hours ago. It won't make it to the range until I get back from AC on Monday.
Quote from: zarn02 on February 24, 2010, 11:15:11 AM
I dig single action autos. How's the 220 SAO treating you?
(Also, on the topic on single action autos, does Para Ordnance make a single action version of the 14rd 1911? All I ever hear about is the LDA....)
Like this?
http://www.para-usa.com/new/product_pistol.php?id=11 (http://www.para-usa.com/new/product_pistol.php?id=11)
A friend has a similar P-A single action that I've shot, and I really would like one...
Quote from: triangleforge on February 24, 2010, 12:39:03 PM
Like this?
http://www.para-usa.com/new/product_pistol.php?id=11 (http://www.para-usa.com/new/product_pistol.php?id=11)
A friend has a similar P-A single action that I've shot, and I really would like one...
Yes, exactly like that. Too bad it's $1300.
Edit: I suppose there are less expensive models, but I also don't have $900 I want to drop on a pistol right at the moment. :P
Quote from: zarn02 on February 24, 2010, 11:06:00 AM
I think I need a reciprocating revolver. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_revolver)
Then you need a Mateba Mk6
(http://world.guns.ru/handguns/mateba-454.jpg)
I believe it is technically called a revolver, with "wheel gun" as a nickname.
Finally got some acceptable shots of them. I'll post detailed pics sometime soon. (Mind you the 870 will not stay so stock for long.) [evil]
(http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs177.snc3/20447_328635856637_500031637_4025195_2775944_n.jpg)
Remington 870 Express, Smith and Wesson 6946 DAO, Sig Sauer P238 SAO (With SigLite Night Sights.)
(http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs177.snc3/20447_328636481637_500031637_4025196_4437693_n.jpg)
Closeup of the 9mm and .380 ACP
I just need a rifle.
edit: For Pic Fixing.
Check this out: http://ammoseek.com/ (http://ammoseek.com/)
^
That's cool!
Also, for the record, I'm really interested in a shotgun as of late.
I don't know what for, but I feel like I should have one around.
:D
Quote from: Monsterlover on February 25, 2010, 12:01:50 PM
Also, for the record, I'm really interested in a shotgun as of late.
I don't know what for, but I feel like I should have one around.
That is sort of the kicker my friend.
I have one of each:
1. Home Defense
2. Skeet/Hunting
Skeet
Trap
Home Defense
Turkey Hunting
Deer Hunting
Betcha cant buy just one!
I'm a big shotgun fan, especially for home/business defense. I've mentioned it before but I have taken 15-20 tactical shotgun courses over the years from some incredible instructors and taught the same at a local shooting academy for 11 years. Taught 4-6 weekend courses a year. The academy specialized in pistol mostly, then moved into urban rifle and long range rifle. So my classes came up about once a quarter with 1-2 more sprinkled in the schedule.
The shotgun is a very misunderstood weapon. People have lots of wrong (make that screwy!) ideas. I've heard lots of goofy stacked load stories. You need to find the right round for your scattergun and it's intended use. By Sunday my students were taking "hostage taker/bad guy" head shots with 00 buckshot from 10 meters and not putting a single pellet on the hostage. Consistently. And none of them thought that was feasible on Saturday morning at the beginning of class. Not that I am anything special they just found out what their shotgun was capable of with the right ammo and learned to judge shooting distances. Patterning your shotgun with a variety of defense shotshells is critical. They also learned that maybe their favorite Brand X 00 buck didn't pattern as well as Brand Y. Having a Vang Comp barrel is also VERY helpful.
I recommend taking a good tactical type shotgun course to anyone thinking of owning a shotgun for defense purposes. Just like any other firearm. Take all the classes you can and practice, practice, practice. If you don't use it you will lose it. Not good to "lose it" at 3:00AM when someone just kicked in your back door. :P Good luck with the shotgun search!! [thumbsup]
Quote from: ducatiz on February 24, 2010, 04:40:04 PM
Then you need a Mateba Mk6
(http://world.guns.ru/handguns/mateba-454.jpg)
holy cow, it exists.
I though it was just from ghost in the shell.
I never thought to google it.
A shotgun = happiness.
Quote from: rgramjet on February 25, 2010, 12:32:29 PM
Skeet
Trap
Home Defense
Turkey Hunting
Deer Hunting
Betcha cant buy just one!
you forgot
Social Work
Im saving up for that one! :-)
Went out shooting today with my friend Anne (whackie on here) and had a flippin blast!! There was a group of us there and one of them had some really interesting toys. Got to shoot a .50AE Desert Eagle for the first time. Fun weapon, but I wouldn't want to shoot it all the time. Can't imagine what it would cost to feed the thing, even when loading your own. Today was also the best session I have ever had with my Kimber. Not really sure which planets lined up for me, but some of them sure did. [thumbsup]
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z53/b_upton/Guns/DSC00173.jpg)
just got this one...
(http://home.comcast.net/~c.duarte/ace1.jpg)
How many rounds does that hold?
10
That's pretty cool.
Colt didn't make many of those did they?
Quote from: Monsterlover on March 07, 2010, 08:06:07 AM
That's pretty cool.
Colt didn't make many of those did they?
It is a Colt, says so on the slide.
The "Ace" line was all .22 conversions for the Colt .45s -- made by Colt.
Quote from: ducatiz on March 07, 2010, 08:18:45 AM
It is a Colt, says so on the slide.
The "Ace" line was all .22 conversions for the Colt .45s -- made by Colt.
Im not saying it isn't a colt (as you said, it says so on the slide)
I just read somewhere that they didn't make many 1911 style pistols in .22 and was looking for confirmation . . .
Quote from: ducatiz on March 07, 2010, 08:18:45 AM
It is a Colt, says so on the slide.
The "Ace" line was all .22 conversions for the Colt .45s -- made by Colt.
actually, that's not correct. The ACE pistols came as complete guns, Colt also sold conversion kits not marked Ace that you could put on pretty much any 1911.
here's a pic of a conversion.
(http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/159878000/159878298/pix235764390.jpg)
here's an article that goes into more detail
http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/history/colt_ace.htm (http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/history/colt_ace.htm)
btw, not that many Ace's were made, although I don't know the actual production numbers.
here's a pic of the other side, note that the s/n begins with SM, which is the designation for Service Model, Ace...
(http://home.comcast.net/~c.duarte/ace2.jpg)
Whats the reasoning behind deleting the sn?
Quote from: Monsterlover on March 07, 2010, 11:25:32 AM
Whats the reasoning behind deleting the sn?
I'd guess privacy issues...
or he stole it. [laugh]
it's never a good idea to publish serial numbers. BTW, it's not stolen. I'm not a thief.
Its a good idea to obscure them.
He was kidding.
So, why is it not a good idea to publish serial numbers. I posted pics of the 1911 Sistema I recently bought and the number is in the pics. Nobody told me I should edit it out. . .
Quote from: cduarte on March 07, 2010, 11:39:34 AM
it's never a good idea to publish serial numbers. BTW, it's not stolen. I'm not a thief.
I absolutely understand that.
It was a joke...which is why I used an emoticon.
Sorry if you thought I meant anything else.
Quote from: ducpainter on March 07, 2010, 11:42:09 AM
I absolutely understand that.
It was a joke...which is why I used an emoticon.
Sorry if you thought I meant anything else.
when funny is outlawed..... only outlaws will be funny
The reason you hide a gun's serial # is the same reason you might want to block out your bike's tag number in a picture. It's a mean world out there people. [bang]
Sweet looking Ace for sure. Looks really really clean! Hope you got the box too with matching sn?? [thumbsup] I have a few Colt Woodsmans and Match Targets. LOVE those Match Targets. Still have the one my Dad gave me when I was a kid, maybe 11-12. Great to travel back in time every time I take that MT out of the safe. ;D
Does anyone here have a m1 socom II? That rifle has been catching my eye for some time....me want!
Quote from: ducpainter on March 07, 2010, 11:42:09 AM
I absolutely understand that.
It was a joke...which is why I used an emoticon.
Sorry if you thought I meant anything else.
Get off my lawn!! <shakes cane>
;D
Quote from: RED on February 04, 2010, 11:18:15 AM
Not that i'm prying or anything but I started to check around the lowest price Saiga-12 around here on the net was anywhere from $1150 to $2400.
No. You are looking in the wrong place. Go to Mississippi Auto Arms (no affiliation, just passing along a good price) and look up an IZ-109. It comes with a "sporter" stock, a 5 round magazine and has a 19" barrel with a threaded end so that it can accept a choke.
You will need to convert it or at least make it 922r compliant before you attach any us made part to it A stock Saiga shotgun has 14 parts on it not including the magazine, magazines add an additional 3 parts. A soon as you change one of those parts (including the magazine) with a US made part, it becomes subject to 922r, which states you can have a maximum of 10 foreign parts on it, so keep your parts count in mind.
As with anything, do check your local state and city laws before purchasing or attempting a conversion. You DO NOT want to break any laws when it comes to firearms. I also assume no responsibility should you attempt to perform such conversion, do so at your own risk.
DP, if my post is inappropriate, please just delete and shoot me a warning. I know you said no stating laws, but I feel that this info will help awareness.
Quote from: Goggles Pizano on March 07, 2010, 03:55:25 PM
<snip>
DP, if my post is inappropriate, please just delete and shoot me a warning. I know you said no stating laws, but I feel that this info will help awareness.
Just so people understand.
Stating the law is OK. They are facts.
Discussing law, be it gun law or any other is where the problem arises. If you disagree, or have a question do it via pm.
Posting your opinion of a law is discussion for our purposes.
carry on ;D
Quote from: bulldogs2k on March 07, 2010, 01:24:47 PM
Does anyone here have a m1 socom II? That rifle has been catching my eye for some time....me want!
i assume you mean an M1A SOCOM. I have an original M14 Bush-style rifle. Springfield before it was Springfield Inc. Short barrel, folding stock. Very nasty gun.
The later Springfield Inc SOCOM rifles are based on the Bush rifle: i.e. short barrel and unique muzzle device. The forward glass is a new feature, I am jealous.
Well, there is the SOCOM variant, and then the SOCOM II. The latter of which has a four sided rail for all the tacticool tid-bits.
Quote from: DRKWNG on March 07, 2010, 04:54:10 PM
Well, there is the SOCOM variant, and then the SOCOM II. The latter of which has a four sided rail for all the tacticool tid-bits.
i.e. BULLSHIT
if you need more than a M14, then a flashlight gizmo isn't gonna help.
unless you can mount an M203 on there as well.
From here (http://springfield-armory.primediaoutdoors.com/):QuoteIt undertook a project to make its traditional M1A both dramatically shorter and handier for CQB-type scenarios. The result is the M1A SOCOM.
Somehow I can't quit sync up the ideas of a full-power cartridge and "close quarters battle."
Didn't we figure out about fifty years ago that an intermediate cartridge was both easier to handle, and equally effective in such situations?
I suppose if you've got a lot of call for shooting at targets that are behind heavy doors, or corrugated steel siding, or what-have-you. *shrugs*
*says the guy who is lusting powerfully after as FAL.*
Quote from: zarn02 on March 07, 2010, 06:05:13 PM
From here (http://springfield-armory.primediaoutdoors.com/):
Somehow I can't quit sync up the ideas of a full-power cartridge and "close quarters battle."
Didn't we figure out about fifty years ago that an intermediate cartridge was both easier to handle, and equally effective in such situations?
I suppose if you've got a lot of call for shooting at targets that are behind heavy doors, or corrugated steel siding, or what-have-you. *shrugs*
*says the guy who is lusting powerfully after as FAL.*
You don't shoot through walls in CQB. You go inside and shoot them. We still mostly use green tip, but some 160 grain.
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 07, 2010, 06:22:44 PM
You don't shoot through walls in CQB. You go inside and shoot them. We still mostly use green tip, but some 160 grain.
So back to the other point: Why use a cartridge designed for lethality at many hundreds of yards instead of something that both kicks less and is generally agreed upon to be equally effective at making people stop living?
I like .30/7.62 as much as the next guy, but from here to the other side of the room I'm not sure one needs the extra horsepower. I suspect that Most Of The Time the x39 will knock a fellow out of the fight as well as the x51.
Quote from: zarn02 on March 07, 2010, 06:50:46 PM
So back to the other point: Why use a cartridge designed for lethality at many hundreds of yards instead of something that both kicks less and is generally agreed upon to be equally effective at making people stop living?
I like .30/7.62 as much as the next guy, but from here to the other side of the room I'm not sure one needs the extra horsepower. I suspect that Most Of The Time the x39 will knock a fellow out of the fight as well as the x51.
Well come on over with me to my next trip to the sandbox, and you make you decision then.
Quote from: zarn02 on March 07, 2010, 06:50:46 PM
So back to the other point: Why use a cartridge designed for lethality at many hundreds of yards instead of something that both kicks less
I'm sorry. I don't get to decide what range he is at. If you could give me a schematic on this, it could come in handy. I mean from behind the keyboard you should be able to figure this out for me.
Quote from: zarn02 on March 07, 2010, 06:50:46 PM
So back to the other point: Why use a cartridge designed for lethality at many hundreds of yards instead of something that both kicks less and is generally agreed upon to be equally effective at making people stop living?
I like .30/7.62 as much as the next guy, but from here to the other side of the room I'm not sure one needs the extra horsepower. I suspect that Most Of The Time the x39 will knock a fellow out of the fight as well as the x51.
That's why I am a huge fan of the 12 gauge tactical/self-defense shotgun. I LOVE .308 and .223 rilfes! I have many FALs, HK91s, M1A's and a trunk load of AR-15 variants. All awesome! [thumbsup] But don't bring your pistol to my shotgun fight at my house! For that matter I'd worry about be out gunned even with your semi auto rifle. Sort of... [laugh] Scatterguns kick ass if deployed correctly in home/business defense with the right buckshot or slug load. Again, I love my auto loading rifles and pistols but when s#@t hits the fan I'm grabbing my Benelli M1 Super 90, Rem 870 or 1187, or Mossberg 500. Just saying... ;D The "social shotgun" works very well and doesn't draw all the negative attention that "black rifles" do. Heck, an over and under bird gun with buckshot pretty much covers all the bases without even looking scary!
Carry on... [laugh]
Quote from: fastwin on March 07, 2010, 07:46:14 PM
That's why I am a huge fan of the 12 gauge tactical/self-defense shotgun. I LOVE .308 and .223 rilfes! I have many FALs, HK91s, M1A's and a trunk load of AR-15 variants. All awesome! [thumbsup] But don't bring your pistol to my shotgun fight at my house! For that matter I'd worry about be out gunned even with your semi auto rifle. Sort of... [laugh] Scatterguns kick ass if deployed correctly in home/business defense with the right buckshot or slug load. Again, I love my auto loading rifles and pistols but when s#@t hits the fan I'm grabbing my Benelli M1 Super 90, Rem 870 or 1187, or Mossberg 500. Just saying... ;D The "social shotgun" works very well and doesn't draw all the negative attention that "black rifles" do. Heck, an over and under bird gun with buckshot pretty much covers all the bases without even looking scary!
Carry on... [laugh]
We don't use shotguns in CQB in the Military. Period. Only as a breaching tool.
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 07, 2010, 07:37:16 PM
I'm sorry. I don't get to decide what range he is at. If you could give me a schematic on this, it could come in handy. I mean from behind the keyboard you should be able to figure this out for me.
All apologies. I had no intention of coming across as a know-it-all ass.
I'm quite happy to submit to real world experience.
Quote from: zarn02 on March 07, 2010, 08:02:15 PM
All apologies. I had no intention of coming across as a know-it-all ass.
I'm quite happy to submit to real world experience.
No apologies necessary. Some here (few) have been in real world combat. Some just own a bunch of guns.
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 07, 2010, 07:50:32 PM
We don't use shotguns in CQB in the Military. Period. Only as a breaching tool.
it's true ...well.. not as an original plan that is... :-\
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 07, 2010, 08:08:18 PM
No apologies necessary. Some here (few) have been in real world combat. Some just own a bunch of guns.
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And some have forsaken our need for lovely female avatars. :'(
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Quote from: DRKWNG on March 08, 2010, 05:45:07 AM
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And some have forsaken our need for lovely female avatars. :'(
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+11tyb ??? [drink] :'( [bang]
Quote from: DRKWNG on March 08, 2010, 05:45:07 AM
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And some have forsaken our need for lovely female avatars. :'(
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Yeah, what's up with that? Where's my daily vixen avatar fix? What about us regular gun owners?? Have some heart would ya?? [laugh] [laugh]
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 07, 2010, 08:08:18 PM
No apologies necessary. Some here (few) have been in real world combat. Some just own a bunch of guns.
Whomever might you be referring to? I always defer to my brothers, which have used guns extensively in their preferred line of work.
Quote from: duccarlos on March 08, 2010, 06:30:56 AM
Whomever might you be referring to? I always defer to my brothers, which have used guns extensively in their preferred line of work.
[evil]
(http://www.funkaliciousbeachball.com/images/banditos.gif)
One of my brothers might be considered for such a poster.
If I were personally clearing rooms, I think a nice semi auto shogun or Saiga would be better than a high powered rifled.
But again, I am not military nor have I ever been, so I could be entirely wrong, just thought a shotgun would be best with some 00 buck in it.
I thought the M14 (M1A or any other springfield variant that shoots a 7.69x51 or .308) was used as a short-mid range sniper gun. At least in Delta it was used by the sharpshooters in the Mog in the early 1990's (no, not basing it off the movie. I've read the book a few times, which is highly accurate from also reading Micahel Durant's book).
7.69x51 must be a homegrown wildcat load
Quote from: ducatiz on March 08, 2010, 07:20:02 AM
7.69x51 must be a homegrown wildcat load
7.62x51
rookie mistake, typo.
Sorry boss.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on March 08, 2010, 06:56:20 AM
If I were personally clearing rooms, I think a nice semi auto shogun or Saiga would be better than a high powered rifled.
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Spc. Freddy Ojeda kneels by a roadside while providing security in Al Ramadia, Iraq. Ojeda is assigned to Headquarters Company, 1st Brigade, 1st Infantry Division. U.S. Army photo by Staff Sgt. Joseph Roberts. This photo appeared on www.army.mil (//http://).Quote from: kopfjäger on March 07, 2010, 07:50:32 PM
We don't use shotguns in CQB in the Military. Period. Only as a breaching tool.
and guard duty, although marines are trained to use it for combat, at least the ones we trained were.
Quote from: ducatiz on March 08, 2010, 08:29:37 AM
and guard duty, although marines are trained to use it for combat, at least the ones we trained were.
I would ask my other brother, but I have no way to reach him at the moment.
Quote from: duccarlos on March 08, 2010, 08:50:16 AM
I would ask my other brother, but I have no way to reach him at the moment.
Back in PR cruising the streets?
That would be Afghanistan.
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 07, 2010, 07:50:32 PM
We don't use shotguns in CQB in the Military. Period. Only as a breaching tool.
In the words of my Marine friend:
"nothing clears a room better than an Airstrike"
Quote from: duccarlos on March 08, 2010, 09:04:54 AM
That would be Afghanistan.
Well, I guess parts could be sort of similar........
Good luck to him and a safe return.
A good friend of Tiff's and mine's husband is over there right now. He is a crewchief on a helicopter of some kind.
He should be back in a few months. Not exactly sure when.
Hope your bro gets back from Afghanistan alright, DC.
So yeah, no pics available at the moment... but I have a little collection going.
Handguns:
SIG P232 (.380ACP)
SIG P6/P225 (9x19)
SIG P220 Carry (.45ACP)
Long guns:
Knight .52 Disc Extreme (.52 cal inline blackpowder muzzleloader)
Schmidt-Rubin K-31 (stamped 1942, Swiss, straight-pull bolt, 7.5x55mm)
Bushmaster AR-15 ("A2 Shorty AK Carbine"... too many mods to list)
And I have a second Bushmaster stripped lower to build up whenever time/money allows.
My fiancee received a Benelli SuperNova Tactical 12ga as a Christmas gift from me. (Before any ladies go and kill me for giving her a shotgun for Christmas... she also got a custom-designed engagement ring ;) )
Quote from: duc_fan on March 10, 2010, 04:40:53 PM
Schmidt-Rubin K-31 (stamped 1942, Swiss, straight-pull bolt, 7.5x55mm)
i bought two of these when the ammo was cheap along with a pallet of the GP11 ammo. every time i take it to the range, i am amazed at the workmanship and quality of the rifle.
i looked at a sharpshooter version, with the diagonally mounted scope and rangerfinder iron sights -- $4 grand. yowsa. for a bolt gun! but so beautiful.
that green ring on your GP11 is lard, fyi.
Quote from: duc_fan on March 10, 2010, 04:40:53 PM
My fiancee received a Benelli SuperNova Tactical 12ga as a Christmas gift from me. (Before any ladies go and kill me for giving her a shotgun for Christmas... she also got a custom-designed engagement ring ;) )
My wife got a .45 for her birthday last year............
My fiancee received a Benelli SuperNova Tactical 12ga as a Christmas gift from me. (Before any ladies go and kill me for giving her a shotgun for Christmas... she also got a custom-designed engagement ring ;) )
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Ah... I see you are a fan of the same gift giving theory as my older brother: never give a gift to someone that you can't borrow back and use yourself!!! [laugh] Hey, it's true, he does it!
Then again a friend gave his wife a "Dust Buster" hand vac for house work. It was years ago, either Christmas or Birthday. He's still living that one down!
I have heard about the AA-12 and my son and I saw this clip on Discovery a while back. A Discovery channel plug is all well and good but for those out there in the service (or freshly out) and have the inside scoop is there any grumblings about this being adopted at all by any branch? Has it ever gone through any tests for evaluation? The finned "grenade" rounds are kinda cool! Would love to have a handful of those on the next wild hog hunt!! [laugh]
AA-12. World's deadliest shotgun! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4ebtj1jR7c&feature=related#normal)
Quote from: fastwin on March 11, 2010, 07:06:34 AM
I have heard about the AA-12 and my son
nothing like this has been adopted as any official weapon by any US branch
the AA12, USAS12 and the Pancor are all reasons the "Destructive Device" category was expanded to include those shotguns. too much of a good thing, I guess.
Quote from: ducatiz on March 11, 2010, 07:19:00 AM
nothing like this has been adopted as any official weapon by any US branch
the AA12, USAS12 and the Pancor are all reasons the "Destructive Device" category was expanded to include those shotguns. too much of a good thing, I guess.
Basically the same as a Saiga 12 but in select fire configuration?
I googled the USAS12 and apparently Daewoo makes it. They make the beast with two backsing make everything!!!!!
AA12 is not used because of the lethality. Potential for close quarter friendly fire is immense and you would need to find the most mentally stable person in the whole outfit to carry it. Imagine a guy going ape shit with that thing. Scary doesn't even start to describe it.
Quote from: duccarlos on March 11, 2010, 10:04:32 AM
AA12 is not used because of the lethality. Potential for close quarter friendly fire is immense and you would need to find the most mentally stable person in the whole outfit to carry it. Imagine a guy going ape shit with that thing. Scary doesn't even start to describe it.
being on the receiving end of buckshot or a 12 ga slug isn't much worse than beinb on the receiving end of 5.56 burst fire
reading the USMC's specifications for a Combat Shotgun, they clearly did NOT want a box magazine or drum type feed, and wanted the ability to manually cycle it as necessary.
a tube magazine allows the user to insert ammo as needed or to change it on the fly. tube mag also doesn't need to be carried or add additional weight to the pack.
Good point. Getting hit with multiple rounds out of anything is bad juju. The gun is interesting none the less. I wish the "naked" pictures of it were more clear in the vid and I would have liked to see it field stripped to see if that was easy or a pain in the ass. Sure it's lethal as shit but is it any more lethal than anything else a well trained US soldier or Marine carries in combat? Doubt it. Thanks for the input. My son wanted to know if our troops carried it yet.
Quote from: fastwin on March 11, 2010, 10:48:25 AM
Good point. Getting hit with multiple rounds out of anything is bad juju. The gun is interesting none the less. I wish the "naked" pictures of it were more clear in the vid and I would have liked to see it field stripped to see if that was easy or a pain in the ass. Sure it's lethal as shit but is it any more lethal than anything else a well trained US soldier or Marine carries in combat? Doubt it. Thanks for the input. My son wanted to know if our troops carried it yet.
the Atchison AA12 is patented and you can look up the schematics on the USPTO website. it's a fairly standard gas operated, tilting bolt mechanism, like many rifles (FAL, SKS, etc)
YouTube has plenty of vid's of Saiga 12's in full auto configuration.
It is amazing how fast you can dump 20 rounds of 12gauge.
I agree it being cumbersome........my mag holding 10 00buck is:
1. Like 13inches long
2. It isn't that light
Obviously burst fire from a SAW or a box mag fed full auto shotgun are lethal
but.....
I think there would be nothing left of a person if you tore into them with a volley of 00 Buck from 10 feet.
At least with a 5.56 the entry would be clean.....not sure about the exit
Quote from: cyrus buelton on March 11, 2010, 12:02:13 PM
1. Like 13inches long
2. It isn't that light
What are we talking about again?
12 gauge box magazine for a Saiga shotgun. Box fed scattergun.
Quote from: ato memphis on March 11, 2010, 12:38:45 PM
What are we talking about again?
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Yeah... he's mind is usually in the gutter! [laugh] [laugh]
My brother just sent me 2 videos. One is him shooting his new AR .223 and the other a hog he shot. Those hog fight to the bitter end.
I have a bolt action Marlin .22 with a 6x Bushnell scope.
My wife is new to shooting and we've had this gun out and have been having a lot of fun with it.
Last night I noticed that the vertical line in the cross hair was solid and in focus while the horizontal line was out of focus quite a bit.
Is there any adjustment for this? Has anyone heard of this before?
Both of us can shoot well with the gun, but the out of focus line makes it a lot harder than it should be.
Any thoughts?
Quote from: Monsterlover on March 27, 2010, 06:57:08 PM
I have a bolt action Marlin .22 with a 6x Bushnell scope.
My wife is new to shooting and we've had this gun out and have been having a lot of fun with it.
Last night I noticed that the vertical line in the cross hair was solid and in focus while the horizontal line was out of focus quite a bit.
Is there any adjustment for this? Has anyone heard of this before?
Both of us can shoot well with the gun, but the out of focus line makes it a lot harder than it should be.
Any thoughts?
hairs in a reticle can go bad with shock. what kind of adjustments are there?
It has adjusters for windage and elevation
the rear lense also has a threaded adjustment (think focus) with a plastic threaded lock ring that I played with.
It made no difference except it threw off the sight in settings of the scope. I had it back to where it should be within about 20 rounds.
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/8987/disguisedweapons2.png (http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/8987/disguisedweapons2.png)
[clap] [clap] [clap] I was in tears laughing
^^ [laugh] [laugh] [thumbsup]
Two of my favorites from the school of "Too Much of a Good Thing,,,IS a good thing"
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Ah, Rooney guns...
Quote from: Grifo on March 27, 2010, 08:53:36 PM
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[clap] [clap] [clap] I was in tears laughing
hysterical [laugh]
Quote from: zarn02 on February 24, 2010, 11:15:11 AM
I dig single action autos. How's the 220 SAO treating you?
OK, so a month and a half later, I finally got to take the 220 for a test drive. That thing shoots as well as, if not better, than any 1911 I've ever shot. Even the higher end guns. It's really well balanced and the recoil is almost non-existent. It was kind of like shooting a 9mm. Now I just need to find a holster for it. Well, one that works anyway.
Been looking at Springfield XD pistols lately.
Anyone here have one or shot one before?
I'm thinking .45 so I can keep shooting the same ammo I have on hand now (and reload)
Quote from: Monsterlover on April 13, 2010, 04:27:22 PM
Been looking at Springfield XD pistols lately.
Anyone here have one or shot one before?
I'm thinking .45 so I can keep shooting the same ammo I have on hand now (and reload)
Many people love them. They are technically very excellent guns, improving upon the Glock design with a lot of enhancements.
Not bad for a Croatian design.
The Hooligan Plumber has one in .40
I've put about 50 rnds through it
It handles factory and reloads just fine
much better than my S&W
Can they handle lead swc?
Ie polygonal barrel...
Quote from: Monsterlover on April 14, 2010, 02:39:42 AM
Can they handle lead swc?
Ie polygonal barrel...
I read some of that discussion you guys were having...
I don't get it
Apparently the design of the polygonal rifleing doesn't work with lead.
Causes bad lead fouling problems.
I should probably ask a gun dealer. They should know.
Maybe there's an XD forum...
Quote from: Monsterlover on April 14, 2010, 03:03:30 AM
Apparently the design of the polygonal rifleing doesn't work with lead.
Causes bad lead fouling problems.
I should probably ask a gun dealer. They should know.
Maybe there's an XD forum...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygonal_rifling (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygonal_rifling)
It states that one of the advantages is less lead fouling and then it goes into detail about increased lead fouling...
so again, I don't get it
it sounds like one gun blew up so now there is the hysteria
I figure shoot whatever and clean your gun when your done and you wont have an issue
I haven't seen a gun yet that a good brush, hoppes, and elbow grease wont clean
but to your question about the XD's
all we fired through it was FMJ so I dunno about wadcutters
Just picked up a Springfield XDm in 9mm last week. Great gun right out of the box...but like most people here, I can't leave well enough alone ;D Looking into building an open class gun out of it (threaded bar-sto barrel, compensator, mag well, powder river trigger, etc). The best part about the XD is the amount of aftermarket parts out there.
by the way, the forum you were looking for is www.xdtalk.com (//http://)
Glenn
Does the manual say anything about using jacked rounds only or is lead ok?
Quote from: Monsterlover on April 14, 2010, 04:50:50 AM
Does the manual say anything about using jacked rounds only or is lead ok?
I've heard Glock, H&K and XD users having no problem with lead bullets with the polygonal rifling and having no problems.. YMMV. Try these guys...
castboolits.gunloads.com (http://castboolits.gunloads.com)
I've shot an XDm recently. Quite liked it. I'm more into ccw handguns, or big honkin' purty handguns (like revolvers, 1911s, etcetera), but it was pleasant to shoot. Not sure if its authorized for duty carry, but it seems like it would be fantastic for that. Again, my guns experiences is hobby, not work - so I could be mistaken.
I don't need it for duty or carry.
I just need it ;)
Quote from: Monsterlover on April 14, 2010, 05:09:57 AM
I don't need it for duty or carry.
I just need it ;)
I can't think of a better reason than that. [thumbsup]
z-day cometh.
[laugh]
The real reason is:
I recently bought a Sistema 1911 (Argentine made) .45 that I got for $400
After playing with it for a bit, I start thinking about things like better sights, and a different trigger and. . .
And I kind of don't want to mess with it because it's old, original and cool. Frame, slide and barrel all numbers match.
I was at a friends house the other day and he showed me a Taurus 1911 with all the goodies that was like $600 new.
I was in awe of how slick the slide action was, along with the trigger pull. It was just a really nice gun.
So instead of messing with my original Sistema I'm thinking I'd just pick up something new that's mostly tricked out (in comparison) from the get go.
Still on my list is an AR and a 12 gauge :D
I think its important that you aren't misled by manufacturers claims about "custom". Kimber's Custom Line are not custom. Its just the name of that assembly line. Sure they have more bells and whistles, but they are not custom in the way that a Nighthawk or Wilson is.
If you are looking at nice ones, I might suggest perusing the options from Wilson, Nighthawk, Les Baer, STI, Ed Brown, and I'm sure there are some others I'm forgetting.
FWIW, I don't believe in a double stack 1911 and would caution you to look at those with a skeptical eye.
Im not looking for another 1911. . .
Been looking at XD45's
i still think you should look at a made in texas STI. [cheeky]
Just looked through their website.
Nice firearms, but pricey!!
No way I'd get away with spending $1000+ on a pistol.
I don't even think I could let myself do it [laugh]
I'll take a look in the manual when I get home from work. I use jacketed bullets exclusively in pretty much all of my guns, so I really never bothered to check if they would work in the XD.
Glenn
I know. I'd want to pick mine up at the "factory" but I don't think they are set up for face-to-face sales, just dealer sales.
They have the GP9 which is a standard pistol (non 1911), iirc.
Sinister (Gregor) swears by his Ed Brown 1911.
I've just never found the appeal with the 1911.
Maybe as I could never conceal it because it is a large frame, but also never understood all the modding with barrels, internals, etc so you can bench rest a group at 50 feet.
If you need a handgun for a 50ft shot.............you've got the wrong gun.
I think last I read from FBI Crime Stats, 95% of gun violence (whatever you want to call it) occurs within 15 feet.
If you've never found the appeal, it shouldn't make sense. (Not saying anyone who a 1911 does appeal to makes sense, it's just one of those things.)
I think it's one of those personal preferences based on how people are wired. I get it, a m gets it, as do most in the 1911 thread. I don't get Glocks... most people do.
Just chalk it up to diversity. [thumbsup]
A 1911 is the thinnest you can get an all metal .45 except for a Kahr possibly
The Kahr 40 I play with is also crazy thin. My 1911 wears thin grips, full size frame, and 4" barrel. Conceals very well, but then again, I'm a large mammal.
Quote from: Ghostly Pip on April 14, 2010, 07:16:20 AM
If you've never found the appeal, it shouldn't make sense. (Not saying anyone who a 1911 does appeal to makes sense, it's just one of those things.)
I think it's one of those personal preferences based on how people are wired. I get it, a m gets it, as do most in the 1911 thread. I don't get Glocks... most people do.
Just chalk it up to diversity. [thumbsup]
I'd agree to that.
It's just a gun I have very little interest in. I really don't like the safety mechanism on it, but I am sure most people love it that own them.
It's why some of us mod the bikes we do and others do their own thing.
I have a friend with a 2000 750 Dark and he is keeping it all stock. Claims that is how the engineers and designers built it, so that is how it is supposed to look. Not my idea, but whatever.
Quote from: ducatiz on April 14, 2010, 07:28:16 AM
A 1911 is the thinnest you can get an all metal .45 except for a Kahr possibly
With modern technology of polymers, why does it really matter if it is all metal construction?
Possibly if you are shooting thousands and thousands of rounds through it?
The XD has conventional rifling and is just fine with cast bullets. As far as high cap 45's go, I'd go with the XD. The Glock has a huge unsupported area of case between the feedramp and the slide face. I blew one up with a +P load. The gun stayed locked up but the unsupported area of the case blew out, blew out the trigger group and the right side of the frame. Blew the mag out and stuffed the first few bullets back into their cases. It stung a little too.
Quote from: WarrenJ on April 14, 2010, 09:41:04 AM
The XD has conventional rifling and is just fine with cast bullets. As far as high cap 45's go, I'd go with the XD. The Glock has a huge unsupported area of case between the feedramp and the slide face. I blew one up with a +P load. The gun stayed locked up but the unsupported area of the case blew out, blew out the trigger group and the right side of the frame. Blew the mag out and stuffed the first few bullets back into their cases. It stung a little too.
WHOA. Peechurs?
Quote from: cyrus buelton on April 14, 2010, 08:38:26 AM
I have a friend with a 2000 750 Dark and he is keeping it all stock. Claims that is how the engineers and designers built it,
sheesh. they build them with the dp ecu, free flowing filter and pipes, and then dumb them down to get through emissions regs. but that's a whole 'nother thread (and not really applicable to a 00 750, which was carbed...)
I'm never a big fan of the 'how far do you ride in a year' threads,
but it sure would be interesting to see a ratio of shots fired versus words posted on this one.
;D
i'm down to 500-1000 a year now for the 45 (i do count and keep a spreadsheet.) budget/time constraints. used to do between 150-250/week. "good ol' days". i have no idea how much 12ga i go through. that would be interesting to count.
Quote from: Statler on April 14, 2010, 02:43:36 PM
I'm never a big fan of the 'how far do you ride in a year' threads,
but it sure would be interesting to see a ratio of shots fired versus words posted on this one.
;D
my newest plinker has around 850 rounds through it
my oldest is on it's 3rd barrel
am I qualified to my opinion Mr Man?
:-*
Quote from: Mother on April 14, 2010, 03:46:20 PM
my newest plinker has around 850 rounds through it
my oldest is on it's 3rd barrel
am I qualified to my opinion Mr Man?
:-*
I don't think he was talking to you.
I'd guess I'm up to about 500 rounds through my 1911 that I got in December.
I've tapered off because I've been busy moving.
And im out of lead so I cant load anymore ATM ;D
Quote from: ducpainter on April 14, 2010, 03:47:45 PM
I don't think he was talking to you.
He was of course probably talking to me as the only time he posts is to take a cheapy at me.
Which is fine. I don't stoop to such levels.
carry on.
going shooting this weekend.
Breaking out the entire arsenal. The wife's sister just moved in, so she needs to learn how they all operate and take them shooting so she can get the feel for them.
I am excited to shoot the Saiga ;D
Quote from: cyrus buelton on April 14, 2010, 05:30:09 PM
He was of course probably talking to me as the only time he posts is to take a cheapy at me.
Which is fine. I don't stoop to such levels.
carry on.
going shooting this weekend.
Breaking out the entire arsenal. The wife's sister just moved in, so she needs to learn how they all operate and take them shooting so she can get the feel for them.
I am excited to shoot the Saiga ;D
It wasn't a cheap shot...
and for you to say that is kind of childish.
You have no problem spewing your opinion, yet every time Chris spews his it's a shot at you.
Get over yourself...
seriously
somebody shat on or about the coats.
back to guns.
I found someone new to go shooting with.
Turns out he's a dmfer and we've been riding together for a couple years.
Never new he was a gun person :)
who dat?
martina?
TJR178
oh. i see. damn near e'erbody at the shop roll w/ the gunnery as well.
Quote from: Statler on April 14, 2010, 02:43:36 PM
I'm never a big fan of the 'how far do you ride in a year' threads,
but it sure would be interesting to see a ratio of shots fired versus words posted on this one.
;D
500 rds through my M-9
> Today [evil]
800 rds through my M-4
where's the howmuchyabench thread?
[cheeky]
e'erbody?
isn't that popular vernacular these days? I don't know, I don't listen to hiphop.
In some circles I suppose.
Continue on with your hiphopped out self
;D
Quote from: kopfjäger on April 14, 2010, 06:09:30 PM
500 rds through my M-9
> Today [evil]
800 rds through my M-4
Whatever.
Part timer.
;D
Quote from: kopfjäger on April 14, 2010, 06:09:30 PM
500 rds through my M-9
> Today [evil]
800 rds through my M-4
Now that sounds like a real tough day at work!!
For us civilians that would cost an arm and a leg to pump that much lead through 2 guns!!
<-----envious
I guess I'll have to result to the .22LR conversion for my M4 to compensate for lack of buying a ton of 5.56 rounds
No lie. I just spent ~$130 on 350 rounds of .380.
And that's actually a pretty good deal. [bang]
sigh.
I bought a 22lr conversion (Marvel - nice quality) for my 1911 three years ago (Fall '08 I think) or so ago so I could still play at the range longer while spending less. Also, its a hoot at the farm.
Quote from: Ghostly Pip on April 15, 2010, 03:54:19 AM
No lie. I just spent ~$130 on 350 rounds of .380.
And that's actually a pretty good deal. [bang]
I can reload close to 1000 rounds of .45acp for that money :o
Quote from: Ghostly Pip on April 15, 2010, 03:54:19 AM
No lie. I just spent ~$130 on 350 rounds of .380.
And that's actually a pretty good deal. [bang]
I have the same problem when buying .32 for my Keltec and Beretta.
I've shot both guns twice, enough to be proficient at a close range as that is all that weapon is good for.
After that, it gets cleaned and ready for use if necessary and of course will get shot a few times a year to keep up with proficiency.
Quote from: a m on April 15, 2010, 04:17:43 AM
sigh.
I bought a 22lr conversion (Marvel - nice quality) for my 1911 three years ago (Fall '08 I think) or so ago so I could still play at the range longer while spending less. Also, its a hoot at the farm.
I bought the AR-15 22LR from Ciener back in the Fall. First time I assembled it, the round would not chamber properly. So of course I send back to Ciener along with my lower and finally another 6wks later, I get it back, but at that point I just had shoulder surgery and shoot off my bad wing, so I couldn't use it yet.
Can't wait to blow some rounds through it this weekend. I just wish my speedloader for my 25rnd 10/22 mags would fit this one.
Quote from: a m on April 14, 2010, 07:35:01 AM
The Kahr 40 I play with is also crazy thin. My 1911 wears thin grips, full size frame, and 4" barrel. Conceals very well, but then again, I'm a large mammal.
check out their .45 models. they need to do an all metal frame, but 1.01 inches is pretty damn slim.
i have an original E9. I would put it up against any of their metal 9s. Very reliable. I might go back to carrying it.
Metal vs plastic? I shoot both, but it's just a bias. I've had two kabooms in my life and one on a metal-framed gun. The plastic frame disintegrated and I was left with a nasty scar in my hand. Then again, it was an AP9.
Quote from: Ghostly Pip on April 15, 2010, 03:54:19 AM
No lie. I just spent ~$130 on 350 rounds of .380.
And that's actually a pretty good deal. [bang]
Don't feel too bad...it took me a YEAR to even find a single box of 380 in a store. I ended up finding a box of remington golden saber HPs at gander mountain, and it was $50 for a box of 50 >:( After I said "I'll take it" the phone rang at the counter...it was a guy looking for 380 ammo [roll]
Glenn
[laugh]
I know that feeling! When I lucked into two cheap WWB at WalMart, it felt like I'd hit the lottery.
G'Day Gunslingers 8).
My 14 year old son told me today that.... "Americans are just like us (Australians) except that they like to shoot each other" [laugh] [laugh] [laugh].
yer darn right we like it.
My wife has a Para Ordinance single stack 1911 (pls correct me if I am wrong)
unfortunately, it is being held captive, along with her hunting rifle and mossberg pistol grip scatter gun at her Mom's house in Florida.
In regards to the Para, it is a single stack 1911.
Good gun?
She said she loved it and would love to buy her a replacement one. However, it's probably an expensive piece.
para's usually arent' held in the highest regard, but if it works, it works.
Quote from: a m on April 16, 2010, 04:38:18 AM
para's usually arent' held in the highest regard, but if it works, it works.
What is the overlying issue with them?
I think the reason why she settled on that particular piece is because it fit her hand really well.
That is why she also likes glocks, they seat right in her hand.
She only can shoot .45 cal guns; she sucks with any other caliber. It is pretty odd.
Her ex-brother in-law is Dave Sevigny. If anyone is into shooting, they know that name. She learned to shoot from him.
Just not a high end 1911. Quality of parts, fit/finish. Barrel fit. Triggers.
But they work fine.
It fits in her hand like any other 1911 would, nothing particular about its shape. There's full size frame 1911 and Officer sized frames. (shorter grip).
Quote from: cyrus buelton on April 16, 2010, 04:45:33 AM
Her ex-brother in-law is Dave Sevigny. If anyone is into shooting, they know that name. She learned to shoot from him.
:o
Quote from: Ghostly Pip on April 16, 2010, 05:04:51 AM
:o
apparently somebody has heard of him.
Watching his vid's on Youtube are bad ass. The guy is make the beast with two backsing amazing.
He sort of just got into guns when he was younger, started shooting a lot, did some small competitions, excelled at it, then got signed on by Team Glock. Since then, I think he has been the world champion a few times or some big competition.
Quote from: a m on April 16, 2010, 04:38:18 AM
para's usually arent' held in the highest regard, but if it works, it works.
I have a friend with a Hi-Point 9mm. God knows why he bought it.
Obviously probably the cheapest gun out there. I think new ones are like 150$ or something. They even come with a built in laser sight!!!
He has shot >2000 rounds through it and never an issue. Says it is really accurate too.
I was a bit surprised by that.
Dave Sevigny 2009 USPSA Area 1 & 5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ni5QrKXonhc#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)
^
stupid work filters, I can't view it.
I've heard of that guy too.
GD is he fast.
What caliber is he shooting?
That gun looks like it has just enough recoil to cycle the slide, but his hands seem to keep the muzzle on target the entire time the slide is cycling. . .
Quote from: Monsterlover on April 16, 2010, 11:13:43 AM
I've heard of that guy too.
GD is he fast.
What caliber is he shooting?
That gun looks like it has just enough recoil to cycle the slide, but his hands seem to keep the muzzle on target the entire time the slide is cycling. . .
I believe he shoots basically a stock Glock Model 23 or at least that is what he used to shoot.
chambered in .40 cal.
Also, I think the mags are single stack.
Thats no stock Glock, or ammo for that matter......there is practically zero barrel rise.
Quote from: rgramjet on April 16, 2010, 12:12:00 PM
Thats no stock Glock, or ammo for that matter......there is practically zero barrel rise.
Sevigny shoots Production Class. Sights, trigger work and that's all.
wonder if they can do anything else, kinda like how on the ol' 1911 I grabbed an EGW (http://www.egw-guns.com/) firing pin stop that doesn't have the big undercut edge, so I could take the sharp edge off slightly with a file, and there's significantly less muzzle jump. I mean, its essentially the stock part before a shop machines it down further
Quote from: a m on April 16, 2010, 01:39:18 PM
wonder if they can do anything else, kinda like how on the ol' 1911 I grabbed an EGW (http://www.egw-guns.com/) firing pin stop that doesn't have the big undercut edge, so I could take the sharp edge off slightly with a file, and there's significantly less muzzle jump. I mean, its essentially the stock part before a shop machines it down further
I'll find out. My CMMS instructor here at SFAUC is a Grand Master IPSC shooter. He will be shooting a match tomorrow. Sevigny will be there. This will be the first time he shot a match competing against Dave.
Quote from: kopfjäger on April 16, 2010, 01:47:56 PM
I'll find out. My CMMS instructor here at SFAUC is a Grand Master IPSC shooter. He will be shooting a match tomorrow. Sevigny will be there. This will be the first time he shot a match competing against Dave.
Such a small world that my wife's ex-bro in law is some worldclass shooter.
It's pretty funny. We were channel surfing and came across a shooting competition and Tiff goes "I think that is Dave, holy shit, I haven't talked to him in years."
Good luck to your friend [thumbsup]
What does he shoot? Is any Caliber legal or is their a minimum?
Quote from: ungeheuer on April 16, 2010, 04:18:06 AM
G'Day Gunslingers 8).
My 14 year old son told me today that.... "Americans are just like us (Australians) except that they like to shoot each other" [laugh] [laugh] [laugh].
My wife was just mentioning to me the other day that Australians are just like us (Americans) except we didn't try to ethnically cleanse our aboriginals (although we did treat them nasty, so we have that much in common!). [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Quote from: ducatiz on April 16, 2010, 05:41:42 PM
My wife was just mentioning to me the other day that Australians are just like us (Americans) except we didn't try to ethnically cleanse our aboriginals (although we did treat them nasty, so we have that much in common!). [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Maybe the history books in OZ are more accurate.
I'm surprised you're even joking about that to be honest.
hhmm
tizzy and I must have had different history books
One thing I despise about brand new Glocks.
The slide is damn near impossible to get off until you shoot it.
I spent like 20 minutes trying to get the slide off my Glock 33 (sub compact .357).
Wife's .45 has been shot, no issues getting that one off.
The Model 22 I owned in college.......couldn't get that slide off til I shot it either.
Anyone else experience this or am I just a pussy and post in the nobody gives a shit thread?
Shot once or shot lots of times?
Quote from: Mother on April 17, 2010, 09:16:30 AM
hhmm
tizzy and I must have had different history books
possibly. i hear some school books in Kansas teach the Flying Spaghetti Monster story.
Quote from: Monsterlover on April 17, 2010, 10:17:41 AM
Shot once or shot lots of times?
Just a normal trip to the range and then I breakdown and clean when I get home.
I think maybe 100rnds were fired through my old Glock 22.
I can't imagine parts would need to wear in on a modern made gun, but maybe they do?
I have no idea.
I am going to make the beast with two backs around with it again.
It is starting to bother me I can't get it off.
I have/had several Glocks and never had a problem breaking them down when new. Interesting. I also break down a new gun and give it a good once over and barrel cleaning before the first round. I certainly have had one or two that were slightly more difficult but none ever totally refused. Hope you get it figured out. [thumbsup] Maybe they just want you to go shoot them!! [laugh]
had some fun with the Mosin Nagant this weekend.
I ordered a POSP 8x42 scope, and a adapter for ak style side mount.
spent a few hours yesterday afternoon riggin the reciver up in my drill press, slowing getting the damn drill bit to bite into the rounded surface, then tapped the screws out and bolted the bracket on.. then installed the scope on the reciver and spent the next two hours slowy cutting away the stock till it all fit tight.
the end results.
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(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r141/acalles1/DSC00634.jpg)
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the end results, after spending 1 hour readign over the poorly translated instructions that came with the scope, I decided just to screw with it till I got it figured out. windage was almost dead on, elevation was screwy but I got it set dead on at 100 yards. then took aim on out to 350 yards some on left a small white piece of metal about 2'x 2', clicked the elevation to "2" BANG, just a bit low, clicked it up to 2.5 and BANG..... DING! 8) ;D hit it about 5 more times just to be sure. [evil]
very happy with this set up.. oh, and the eye cup.. its just to protect it, I tried shooting using the damn thing and it was welcome to flinch city. took it off and it was much easier.
now I just need to turn that bolt down. its a little hard to work with the scope their but not impossible.
bend it to 45 and i bet it works better
Quote from: Mother on April 18, 2010, 12:16:42 PM
bend it to 45 and i bet it works better
oh yeah, I know, I just couldn't find a piece of stainless even close to the same size anywhere yesterday, it needs to be made longer as well as bent. its to short to just bend (thats what she said [laugh])
is that the original charging handle?
(is it called a charging handle on a bolt action?)
I wonder how difficult it would be to make an extention and have it at an insert proper degree here angle?
on a side note that thing looks like it hurls boulders
bolt handle on a mosin cannot be bent. the steel is hardened to like 9 million rockwell. it will break.
you might be able to anneal it, bend it and then re-heat treat it, but i don't evne know what alloy they used so no idea what temp to heat treat it at. i doubt they even used any known alloy, probably changed from day to day.
Might be the wrong thread, but I got the Glocks 33 slide off today.
It took a while of make the beast with two backsing with, but I did get it.
yeah me.
I guess.
Damn, is that scope on the Mosin Nagant tall enough?? Does that work for you?? I can't see a decent cheek weld with a scope that high. Obviously it must work for you. Nice job on the machine and drill work. [thumbsup] Cool rifles!
Quote from: cyrus buelton on April 18, 2010, 04:20:45 PM
Might be the wrong thread, but I got the Glocks 33 slide off today.
It took a while of make the beast with two backsing with, but I did get it.
yeah me.
I guess.
you must have weak fingers. the slide retainer can be very strong to pull down on both sides.
i think they have a "lady" version for the spring. drops a few lbs off the retention.
Quote from: fastwin on April 18, 2010, 04:39:20 PM
Damn, is that scope on the Mosin Nagant tall enough?? Does that work for you?? I can't see a decent cheek weld with a scope that high. Obviously it must work for you. Nice job on the machine and drill work. [thumbsup] Cool rifles!
might have to use a cheek pad. it is high, but retrofitting a mosin with a scope isn't an exact science. even the original scope setup on those with the PU scopes is a factory kluge.
Quote from: ducatiz on April 19, 2010, 01:34:39 AM
you must have weak fingers. the slide retainer can be very strong to pull down on both sides.
i think they have a "lady" version for the spring. drops a few lbs off the retention.
Never have a problem til after I shoot it first.
No, I don't have any problems getting the slide retainers down. It's catching the "friction point" so to speak on the groove that allows the slide to go forward.
Quote from: fastwin on April 18, 2010, 04:39:20 PM
Damn, is that scope on the Mosin Nagant tall enough?? Does that work for you?? I can't see a decent cheek weld with a scope that high. Obviously it must work for you. Nice job on the machine and drill work. [thumbsup] Cool rifles!
its kind of cool sitting that high, because the stripper clips still work. I can also still use the iron sights for closer shots, and the bolt does open, but it can be tricky when one of them decides to stick, and it happens from time to time.
I used this particular scope because it is calibrated for the 7.62x54r drop and it has the nifty little range finder inside the reticle.
Quote from: ducatiz on April 18, 2010, 03:01:33 PM
bolt handle on a mosin cannot be bent. the steel is hardened to like 9 million rockwell. it will break.
you might be able to anneal it, bend it and then re-heat treat it, but i don't evne know what alloy they used so no idea what temp to heat treat it at. i doubt they even used any known alloy, probably changed from day to day.
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might have to use a cheek pad. it is high, but retrofitting a mosin with a scope isn't an exact science. even the original scope setup on those with the PU scopes is a factory kluge.
Yeah, I don't have a clue what the bolt is made from, probably very low quality martensitic stainless, its still magnetic, but scratches fairly easy. I was planning on cutting it near the bolt body and welding a bent piece in between the two parts. my brother is a damn good welder, if I cut metal, he'll put it back together.
great idea on the cheek pad, I have a idea in my head on how to make that all work. guy next door is a carpenter so I can get advice and ideas from him too. it is a bit odd to contort yourself, get a good hold on the rifle and a good view threw the scope. but not impossible.
the barrel isn't any where near floated either, so, thats more work to do. but its actually a pretty good shooter for what it is. I just wanted to build something a bit different.
Just received my firearms id card today. Took me 3 months to get in the wonderful state of new jersey. Thinking of buying a mossburg mariner.
Quote from: Airborne on April 19, 2010, 02:29:12 PM
Just received my firearms id card today. Took me 3 months to get in the wonderful state of new jersey. Thinking of buying a mossburg mariner.
Nice gun!
Mossberg makes a good reliable pump shotgun. The Mariner has got a nice tough coating too. I don't think Mossberg offers the Mariner with their factory ghost ring sights, but if you are considering this for home defense you could always have a gunsmith install them later. I'm pretty sure Mossberg still sells them separately and they are good, rugged ghost rings. I prefer them over a simple bead sight but last time I checked there's not a damn thing wrong with a bead sight! Just personal preference. [thumbsup]
i like ghost rings better too. i haven't liked them enough to spend the dough on throwin' 'em on my ol' mossy500 just yet. (many reasons, actually, like: it would make zero sense to put any aiming device on a pistol grip pump and i don't want to buy a collapsible stock and grip just yet neither)
i've also got a benelli nova. (i like shotguns. especially cheap ones that always go bang). as mentioned earlier, its got the world's longest barrel. They do make a version with a much shorter barrel for CQB/home defense. Worth eye-ballin'. Not sure what your budget is.
For home defense do you really need nice sights?
Shot guns are more of a point and click type of device ;D
nah, no sights needed, my home is fairly small - no long hallways to "aim" down.
worst part of law school so far? Learning that boobie traps will land you in hot water, legally. what a bummer.
Gonna start carrying this at work again. Carried the XD for a while and then swapped to a Pare Ordnance LDA. Got a holster that accepts the XD and TLR 2 so I'll carry this until I get bored with it.
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz56/hbliam/IMG_0123.jpg?t=1271804723)
Quote from: fastwin on April 20, 2010, 01:00:59 PM
Mossberg makes a good reliable pump shotgun. The Mariner has got a nice tough coating too. I don't think Mossberg offers the Mariner with their factory ghost ring sights,
ghost right sights are overrated. a bead is fine. the best kind of "sighting" for self/home defensive situations is muscle memory, which means practice, practice, practice.
Quote from: hbliam on April 20, 2010, 02:12:24 PM
Gonna start carrying this at work again. Carried the XD for a while and then swapped to a Pare Ordnance LDA. Got a holster that accepts the XD and TLR 2 so I'll carry this until I get bored with it.
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz56/hbliam/IMG_0123.jpg?t=1271804723)
what holster does that fit in? i mean.. you got that can opener on the front and all.
Quote from: Monsterlover on April 20, 2010, 01:26:23 PM
For home defense do you really need nice sights?
Shot guns are more of a point and click type of device ;D
Absolutely not!!!! Don't ever think that shotguns are a point and shoot weapon! No more than a pistol or rifle is. I taught tactical shotgun for 11 years at a shooting academy and have taken dozens of courses from world class instructors. I won't bore you here with the details. Go back several pages on this thread for my crap about all of that. The point is in a home/apartment setting, given the normal room or hallway distances in a gunfight even using birdshot the pattern does not open up as much as you think, it's still very tight. This mentality of hip shooting a shotgun and gunning down all adversaries from one side of the street to the other is dead wrong! DEAD WRONG! You can easily miss someone regardless of the defense load within the space of a average bedroom. You need good sights, you need to use them, you need to aim at what you are shooting at and you probably even need a weapon mounted light. Go take a course from any tac shotgun instructor and if they are worth a damn they will say the exact same thing.
Besides... shotgun is one word not two. ;D
Damn dude. Consider switching to decaf...
I was just looking for an excuse to use point and click in a sentence about shotguns.
;)
Quote from: ducatiz on April 20, 2010, 05:40:23 PM
what holster does that fit in? i mean.. you got that can opener on the front and all.
(http://www.copquest.com/23-2230.jpg)
Safariland 6285
Quote from: fastwin on April 20, 2010, 06:32:54 PM
Absolutely not!!!! Don't ever think that shotguns are a point and shoot weapon! No more than a pistol or rifle is. I taught tactical shotgun for 11 years at a shooting academy and have taken dozens of courses from world class instructors. I won't bore you here with the details. Go back several pages on this thread for my crap about all of that. The point is in a home/apartment setting, given the normal room or hallway distances in a gunfight even using birdshot the pattern does not open up as much as you think, it's still very tight. This mentality of hip shooting a shotgun and gunning down all adversaries from one side of the street to the other is dead wrong! DEAD WRONG! You can easily miss someone regardless of the defense load within the space of a average bedroom. You need good sights, you need to use them, you need to aim at what you are shooting at and you probably even need a weapon mounted light. Go take a course from any tac shotgun instructor and if they are worth a damn they will say the exact same thing.
Besides... shotgun is one word not two. ;D
hhmm
it seems you arent cutting off enough barrel
:P
14 in is as short as I'd go but stay legal
Quote from: hbliam on April 20, 2010, 07:47:19 PM
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I'm jealous that wherever you work is conducive to OWB carry.
indeed
Quote from: ducatiz on April 21, 2010, 03:12:35 AM
14 in is as short as I'd go but stay legal
legal [roll]
laws are designed to take something efficiently effective and make the beast with two backs it up
she said she was 18
(suggested defense for comedies sake if you get busted for a sbs without papers. guaranteed to make loweringthebar.net, my favorite blawg)
I've never understood shooting from the hip
it must be an 80's thing
agreed.
I caught a bit of Rambo 2 recently, and not one of those mfers put their ak to their shoulder to fire it.
not one.
all of em fired their weapon at the waist level.
no wonder he whooped em all
also he had sweet hair, and veins filled with vengeance.
NEVER use your shotgun sights if you have a pistol grip.......unless you want to remove your front teeth and have a broken nose....
Hate it when that happens!
i'm a big ol' boy, but yes, the pistol grip has only a bead sight, which you don't really use so much anyhow. I put the firing hand's fist/wrist braced forward on or about the right pectoral, and the left hand by the pump, middle finger outward towards attacking zombie hoard. from this position i seem to be able to decapitate a paper target, or disembowel same paper target up to 25 yards without much thought (but with much grinning and occasional shouting, like "break yo'self" or "thug life" [while pumping], and occasionally "surprise, cockfags!", but i digress)
Quote from: a m on April 21, 2010, 05:44:27 AM
i'm a big ol' boy, but yes, the pistol grip has only a bead sight, which you don't really use so much anyhow. I put the firing hand's fist/wrist braced forward on or about the right pectoral, and the left hand by the pump, middle finger outward towards attacking zombie hoard. from this position i seem to be able to decapitate a paper target, or disembowel same paper target up to 25 yards without much thought (but with much grinning and occasional shouting, like "break yo'self" or "thug life" [while pumping], and occasionally "surprise, cockfags!", but i digress)
You must be a sight at the range, old boy.
occasionally i also perform rock concert air kicks to celebrate my triumph and domination over the attacking paper targets. much to my wife's chagrin.
on a side note, there have been two moments where I think I was going to explode with pride: Wife learning to ride, taking the MSF course and having a good time, and when we go to the range and she loads her own mags, doesn't need help, and keeps her shots in the middle rings.
i suppose you get a similar feeling when you have kids and they progess at things you enjoy, but i'm not there in life yet. (and hope to not be for awhile longer).
Quote from: a m on April 21, 2010, 03:40:15 AM
I'm jealous that wherever you work is conducive to OWB carry.
Pretty sure he is an LEO.
I thought 18in was the shortest legal barrel unless you have the permit/stamp for a shorter barreled gun?
Quote from: cyrus buelton on April 21, 2010, 08:19:38 AM
I thought 18in was the shortest legal barrel unless you have the permit/stamp for a shorter barreled gun?
it is
18" barrel, 26" overall
Quote from: cyrus buelton on April 21, 2010, 08:19:38 AM
I thought 18in was the shortest legal barrel unless you have the permit/stamp for a shorter barreled gun?
Unless its a Taurus Judge. .410 with a ~3-4" barrel! I keep looking at those for some reason...
Quote from: a m on April 21, 2010, 03:40:15 AM
I'm jealous that wherever you work is conducive to OWB carry.
Most LEO's carry at least one firearm OWB. Then the one secreted somewhere else and a couple auto knives.
Quote from: ducatiz on April 20, 2010, 05:40:23 PM
ghost right sights are overrated. a bead is fine. the best kind of "sighting" for self/home defensive situations is muscle memory, which means practice, practice, practice.
Sure is hell on the drywall, all that practice. ;D
Quote from: rgramjet on April 21, 2010, 09:40:57 AM
Unless its a Taurus Judge. .410 with a ~3-4" barrel! I keep looking at those for some reason...
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
I look at them too but will admit, I'd be a bit afraid to fire one.
Quote from: hbliam on April 21, 2010, 11:28:22 AM
Most LEO's carry at least one firearm OWB. Then the one secreted somewhere else and a couple auto knives.
yes yes, but i thought it was for ccw. i've got a few owb holsters and a few iwb holsters. depends on the time of year/weather, the gun, and what i'm wearing. i prefer the comfort of the owb, but iwb is what i do most of the time.
Those of you here that carry, or can carry (and are not LEO)
what is your reason for doing so?
Im curious.
death threats growing up. my ol' man put many a drug dealer behind bars. it made my life quite exciting.
i also believe in being able to be anywhere i want without fear for safety. (not that i go charging into orange mound or south dallas for a kickball tourney).
sounds reasonable to me.
I think I may apply for my ccw, but only to make it easier to transport pistols to/from the range.
I don't think i could come up with a reason to justify carrying around here. It's not a bad place to live and I don't have enemies.
I think i would feel strange doing it.
I've been conditioned my whole life that weapons stay unloaded unless it's time to hunt (and that you only point a weapon at something you intend to shoot)
So. . .
I guess I'm just not there yet.
On the other hand, if someone came into my home, I sure as shit would help them leave with lead poisoning.
i don't plan on somebody robbing (or whatever) me. Nobody leaves the house in the morning and thinks "today's the day I'm going to get robbed, better load up!"
My wife carries as well. This started the conversation off: http://www.wfaa.com/news/crime/Police-seek-men-who-kidnapped-raped-SMU-student-in-Dallas-78786042.html (http://www.wfaa.com/news/crime/Police-seek-men-who-kidnapped-raped-SMU-student-in-Dallas-78786042.html)
The area is a fairly nice part of town too...
Quote from: Monsterlover on April 21, 2010, 12:46:36 PM
I don't think i could come up with a reason to justify carrying around here. It's not a bad place to live and I don't have enemies.
I think i would feel strange doing it.
I've been conditioned my whole life that weapons stay unloaded unless it's time to hunt (and that you only point a weapon at something you intend to shoot)
So. . .
I guess I'm just not there yet.
In the business we call you sheep.
I was taught to treat every gun as loaded. Might as well be so.
Crime occurs in every area/demographic/zip code.
Quote from: a m on April 21, 2010, 12:06:49 PM
yes yes, but i thought it was for ccw. i've got a few owb holsters and a few iwb holsters. depends on the time of year/weather, the gun, and what i'm wearing. i prefer the comfort of the owb, but iwb is what i do most of the time.
Gotcha. yeah, I carry OWB concealed when I can. Much more comfortable. If not it's just a j frame iin my pocket.
I know, I know.
It can happen anytime, anywhere.
I get that.
Orange Mound! Holla!
put yo' thumbs up.
norf norf.
Quote from: a m on April 21, 2010, 04:10:44 PM
put yo' thumbs up.
norf norf.
i lived right up the street from the Southern train yard during college... those were the days..
So what's the recoil like on one of these 410 revolvers???
Kind of intrigued by it now.
its no DE 50
I'll tell you soon. I'm working on my friends dad to get him to let me take it out.
4" bbl Judge. [evil]
Quote from: a m on April 22, 2010, 04:29:36 AM
its no DE 50
I shot by someone with one of those.
holy deafening.
The guy said it was a dollar a round.
this was in 2000.
god only knows what it costs to shoot now.
Always viewed those guns as pointless and more of a collector item verse a gone with a purpose
I believe the term you are looking for is "Gonzo"
Quote from: a m on April 22, 2010, 05:04:19 AM
I believe the term you are looking for is "Gonzo"
or ghey
reminds me of the stupid Don's Guns commercials when I lived in Indianapolis.
That place was great. I think they have a website, I can't get it at work, but check it out. It is worth a laugh or 20.
You could buy yourself a gold plated Ingram Model 10 (MAC-10) with a fake suppressor on it.
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
This pic was taken just as the recoil had subsided on a .50 AE Desert Eagle. They have some bark to them, but are manageable. That said, don't think I see myself buying one anytime soon...
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Quote from: DRKWNG on April 22, 2010, 07:49:36 AM
This pic was taken just as the recoil had subsided on a .50 AE Desert Eagle. They have some bark to them, but are manageable. That said, don't think I see myself buying one anytime soon...
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Do you always wear one glove...
like Mike? ;D
Quote from: ducpainter on April 22, 2010, 07:52:03 AM
Do you always wear one glove...
like Mike? ;D
HEE hee!!
He's bad. ;D
Quote from: ducpainter on April 22, 2010, 07:57:48 AM
...and heavily armed. ;)
Oh. Well in that case...
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Do You Really Want to Hurt Me?
[thumbsup]
Quote from: ducpainter on April 22, 2010, 07:52:03 AM
Do you always wear one glove...
like Mike? ;D
Two gloves there mate. Fingers are cut out.
Quote from: DRKWNG on April 22, 2010, 06:48:38 PM
Two gloves there mate. Fingers are cut out.
I kinda figured.
Just couldn't resist the reference....sorry. ;D
Quote from: ducpainter on April 23, 2010, 02:47:34 AM
I kinda figured.
Just couldn't resist the reference....sorry. ;D
No worries, you crazy old coot!!
;D
Yesterday I found what might be my new carry gun. Went into the gun shop to pick up a new AR lower but found something I've been looking for for a while. The consignment case is just inside the door and right up on the top shelf was a Sig P6. Gonna take it to the range next weekend and test drive it. After that, it may make it's way into the 228's holster. We shall see.
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The orange is not rust. It's just the reflection of the light.
damn work filters, can't see it as I've never heard of a P6 and would love to see it. Will have to wait til tonight.
What is it chambered in?
(Yes, i know what google is, but if I search a gun on it, all the related sites will be blocked as well)
Quote from: cyrus buelton on May 10, 2010, 04:21:07 AM
damn work filters, can't see it as I've never heard of a P6 and would love to see it. Will have to wait til tonight.
What is it chambered in?
(Yes, i know what google is, but if I search a gun on it, all the related sites will be blocked as well)
It's just the German Polizei version of the Sig P225. Very few differences, cut-out hammer, stiffer spring. It's also a single-stack 9mm.
The finish isn't great but it is at least a 20yo police gun, so that's to be expected. And it's an easy fix anyway.
My 22 cal tack drivers.
The Savage was originally used for local competitions and I built the Ruger for fun, but through a lucky combination of parts the Ruger is nearly as accurate and I prefer to shoot it all the time now. Also own a Browning Buckmark and a Mossberg 590M.
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Hey, I've been looking at a savage just like that and wanted to ask someone who owns one what they think of 'em. How is it for pretty accurate plinking. I just picked upa cheap 22lr by mossberg for my wife as an introductory gun to shooting, I figured it was agood start for a cheap tack driver since she has been showing an interest lately, but I didn't want to start out too expensive in case she doesn't really end up liking it. My thought was to have her upgrade to this model of Savage after a while, so if you could either post up here or PM me to let me know what you think of it that would be greatly appreciated.
The Doc
Happy to post here Doc as others may be interested...
My Savage is the Mk II BTVS, and tell the truth, I bought it because it looks so purdy! I actually went to the gun shop to purchase a FV which has the same action and barrel but in blued carbon steel not stainless, and a composite stock, at half the price. I did some reasearch before buying a Savage and they were always highly rated for price and acccuracy. The Accu-Trigger feature is decent and can be tuned for a nice release. If I were buying another, just for shooting and not looking at it, I'd go for the FV. Savage lists retail of FV in 22LR at $280...the BTVSS lists for $455. They also have a BTV whith is the blued heavy barel in the thumbhole stock for $405.
Quote from: Dannyboy on May 09, 2010, 11:02:52 AM
Yesterday I found what might be my new carry gun. Went into the gun shop to pick up a new AR lower but found something I've been looking for for a while. The consignment case is just inside the door and right up on the top shelf was a Sig P6. Gonna take it to the range next weekend and test drive it. After that, it may make it's way into the 228's holster. We shall see.
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4030/4592441231_e8134ab30e_b.jpg)
The orange is not rust. It's just the reflection of the light.
the P6 allegedly has a slightly different feed ramp made for the German police, since they are limited to ball ammo only. there is 100% parts compatibility with the commercial P225 so you can swap barrels and fix that if it's a problem. I have heard of a few issues with HP but nothing that can't be done.
I picked up a Glock 19 Austrian polizei trade-in a while back -- Century Arms had bought all of them up and put target sights on them to comply with import laws. I dumped the target sights and it's an awesome gun -- plus it is made in Austria as opposed to Georgia, and I have to tell you the difference are noticeable.
Quote from: ducatiz on May 10, 2010, 05:45:24 PM
the P6 allegedly has a slightly different feed ramp made for the German police, since they are limited to ball ammo only. there is 100% parts compatibility with the commercial P225 so you can swap barrels and fix that if it's a problem. I have heard of a few issues with HP but nothing that can't be done.
I picked up a Glock 19 Austrian polizei trade-in a while back -- Century Arms had bought all of them up and put target sights on them to comply with import laws. I dumped the target sights and it's an awesome gun -- plus it is made in Austria as opposed to Georgia, and I have to tell you the difference are noticeable.
This is true but I've read it really only affects the 147gr bullets. Supposedly, some of the later production models fixed the feed ramp issue. I haven't checked mine yet.
Century Arms also imported this P6. The sights seem to be the originals and they'll be replaced sometime in the near future. I need some kind of contrast. As for country of manufacture, I was pretty stoked about this. Now I have a 228 made in Germany and a 225/P6 made in West Germany.
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Wow.
That is so beautiful I may have gotten a little teary. Well done, bazz.
Especially the second pic... [bow_down] [bacon]
Gorgeous firearms Baz!
What is that last classic beauty?
Somebody luuuvs remingtons
Yeah, that last bolt gun has a lot of drop in the wood stock. What is that?
And that looks like grade 6 wood on the first two scatterguns. Very pretty. [thumbsup]
Newest acquisitions:
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Built the m4gery myself and it was my first AR build
Spikes lower
CMMG lpk
Stag upper (16" 1:9 twist barrel, full float handguard)
Magpul FDE furniture
Is that foot a DPMS model? [laugh]
Nice hardware! [thumbsup] This is always one of my favorite no-moto threads.
You sticking with iron sights or thinking groovy optics? I just slapped one of Leupold's Mark AR 3x9 mil dot scopes on my latest AR. GG&G Dominator 16" 1 in 7 full floater, Rock River lower and ARMS quick release rings. I'm real happy with it. Never have put a scope on an AR, always red dots. Reflex II or Aimpoints. There are a couple of wild hogs out there with my name on them!!
which tactical sock is that?
Quote from: a m on June 06, 2010, 04:04:18 PM
which tactical sock is that?
That's a Magpul.
http://www.magpul.com/ (http://www.magpul.com/)
This is a good thread indeed. Lots of great info here.
One of these days I would love to build an AR (along with everyone else I'm sure)
I spent a little time this evening priming some .45acp cases.
I find it relaxing.
:)
Quote from: a m on June 06, 2010, 04:04:18 PM
which tactical sock is that?
Damn, how did I miss that. [laugh] [bang]
Yeah, Josh took you on that one!! A sleep at the switch!! [laugh] Still cool s#@t! [thumbsup] [clap] I'm digging my scoped AR. Reach out and touch some hog!! ;D Wonder why it took me so long to build one up?? [bang]
Quote from: fastwin on June 06, 2010, 09:39:12 AM
Is that foot a DPMS model? [laugh]
Nice hardware! [thumbsup] This is always one of my favorite no-moto threads.
You sticking with iron sights or thinking groovy optics? I just slapped one of Leupold's Mark AR 3x9 mil dot scopes on my latest AR. GG&G Dominator 16" 1 in 7 full floater, Rock River lower and ARMS quick release rings. I'm real happy with it. Never have put a scope on an AR, always red dots. Reflex II or Aimpoints. There are a couple of wild hogs out there with my name on them!!
The gun forum I belong to requires a foot or they post fat chic pics......
I haven't shot it yet and I can't wait. I just ordered 1,000 rounds from Palmetto State. They have PMC reloadable for $309/k and $319 for penetrators.
I'm staying with iron sights for the time being. When the apocalypse comes, batteries for other sights will be in short supply.....(that and the build tapped the firearm fund dry for the time being). I've fired several with eotech's and dig them.
Had to take post 666. [evil]
Quote from: angler on June 06, 2010, 07:19:35 PM
I'm staying with iron sights for the time being. When the apocalypse comes, batteries for other sights will be in short supply...
No need for batteries with an ACOG. ;)
http://www.trijicon.com/user/parts/parts_new.cfm?categoryID=3 (http://www.trijicon.com/user/parts/parts_new.cfm?categoryID=3)
Quote from: kopfjäger on June 06, 2010, 07:27:03 PM
No need for batteries with an ACOG. ;)
http://www.trijicon.com/user/parts/parts_new.cfm?categoryID=3 (http://www.trijicon.com/user/parts/parts_new.cfm?categoryID=3)
HMMMMM, no batteries you say.
I know they say you spend your money on the optic, but that would cost more than I have into this build!
Quote from: angler on June 06, 2010, 07:31:33 PM
HMMMMM, no batteries you say.
I know they say you spend your money on the optic, but that would cost more than I have into this build!
Just throwing it out. Our guys use a mix of EOTech, Aimpoint, ACOG, and the new ELCAN. The ACOG works well for both
CQB and in the sandbox for reaching out a bit.
Quote from: kopfjäger on June 06, 2010, 07:37:43 PM
Just throwing it out. Our guys use a mix of EOTech, Aimpoint, ACOG, and the new ELCAN. The ACOG works well for both
CQB and in the sandbox for reaching out a bit.
Good stuff. Advice is always welcome.
The ACOG is nice, but my eyes don't handle the transition from natural sight to the magnified (however so slightly) view you get from the optic. I'm a big Aimpoint fan myself for general purpose carbine work, but prefer the ACOG for SPR applications.
Quote from: angler on June 06, 2010, 07:45:27 PM
Good stuff. Advice is always welcome.
For CQB distance the EOTech wins, hands down. Virtually indestructible, (unless you fall out of a chopper). Also if you have a front sight post, even if your batteries die, you can still be accurate. Unless you are doing HR. ;)
I agree that the theory that the Eotech uses is really nice, but haven't been impressed with the reliability of the electronics from the ones that I have used. Granted, these were an older model, and I have not tried the 553 models, or newer.
I've got a 552 in my HHG shipment making its way up to Alexandria. It will probably be for sale as soon as I get up there.
I'm really liking the Leupold scope on my AR. The rest of my ARs are either iron sights or red dots. But as I said, I've had good luck with Trijicon Reflex sights (no batteries) and Aimpoints (batteries). Lots of good stuff out there for sure. Have many friends with EOTech holographic sights and they love them! I've shot their guns but have no personal experience with those sights. Good luck with whatever your "gun fund" can afford. [thumbsup]
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Walther P22 w/ laser sight and a dead Progresso soup can
Now that's a good picture! Other than riding a scooter there's nothing better than some good old fashioned metal can plinking! The ultimate cheap metal "self re-setting" target!! [thumbsup]
Quote from: jmoth79 on June 07, 2010, 06:18:03 AM
Walther P22 w/ laser sight and a dead Progresso soup can
How you like that P22? I've thinking of picking one up for a while now.
Is it comfortable to shoot (I like the looks, but they feel and look tiny) and does it feed all .22 rounds smoothly or does it prefer only the more expensive (relative of course) rounds?
Quote from: Jobu on June 07, 2010, 07:21:37 PM
How you like that P22? I've thinking of picking one up for a while now.
Is it comfortable to shoot (I like the looks, but they feel and look tiny) and does it feed all .22 rounds smoothly or does it prefer only the more expensive (relative of course) rounds?
I love the P22, but I think that if I had it to do over again, I would have opted for the PK380. The new PK380 is slightly larger as it is a .38 cal
The P22 is truly meant for those with smaller hands, I find that my pinky hangs off the bottom of the grip.
I now have my sights set on the P99 AS 9mm as soon as I get the $$ together.
As for the rounds feeding smoothly into the P22, I havent had an issue. I use standard velocity CCI ammo. (that is all I've put thru it so far)
Just make sure that you use a good heavy bullet. 35-40 grain. If the bullet is too light, it wont overcome the spring force in the slide and cycle the weapon.
The PK is for CCW, and with how expensive and hard to come by .380 ACP is, I couldn't suggest it for more than that. GREAT gun, my brother will be picking his up soon for CCW, but not a practical plinker unless you roll your own.
The P22 on the other hand, is relatively inexpensive, and perfect for plinking. .22 is ridiculously abundant, and cheap. They can also be had for a song on GunBroker and at various gunshows if you are lucky enough to get them around you.
This is just my $0.02 btw.
.380acp ammo has finally started to show up in stock again after the drought of 2009. Although it's hard to shell out $20.00 for a box of .380 ball ammo. [bang] Doesn't matter if it's Sellier & Bellot, PMC, Fiocchi, Winchester (white box), etc. The on line/mail order price (ie. Natchez Shooter Supplies) seems to have hunkered down to $20/box. If you know of cheaper prices please share. Thankfully I had several thousand rounds of ball and around 500 rounds of Hydra-Shock for carry use before the ammo blitz hit. I don't even want to know what the current 2010 prices are for good hollow point .380!!
Quote from: fastwin on June 08, 2010, 04:19:04 AM
I don't even want to know what the current 2010 prices are for good hollow point .380!!
I dropped $35.00 for 20 round of Cor-Bon Pow'r Ball... [bang]
Quote from: fastwin on June 08, 2010, 04:19:04 AM
.380acp ammo has finally started to show up in stock again after the drought of 2009. Although it's hard to shell out $20.00 for a box of .380 ball ammo. [bang] Doesn't matter if it's Sellier & Bellot, PMC, Fiocchi, Winchester (white box), etc. The on line/mail order price (ie. Natchez Shooter Supplies) seems to have hunkered down to $20/box. If you know of cheaper prices please share. Thankfully I had several thousand rounds of ball and around 500 rounds of Hydra-Shock for carry use before the ammo blitz hit. I don't even want to know what the current 2010 prices are for good hollow point .380!!
Well, I'm looking at picking up a .380 as a 3rd ccw gun.
.380 ammo's a good bit cheaper than the other stuff I have.
These prices're really pissing me off. :-\
Quote from: The Dude on June 08, 2010, 09:03:05 PM
Well, I'm looking at picking up a .380 as a 3rd ccw gun.
You carry 3 ccw's? :D
Two ankles and an m.o.b.?
Quote from: angler on June 06, 2010, 08:19:18 AM
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My brother just got a Panther, all black (.308). It's way neato. [thumbsup]
I want one too.....
Quote from: Jobu on June 07, 2010, 07:21:37 PM
How you like that P22? I've thinking of picking one up for a while now.
Is it comfortable to shoot (I like the looks, but they feel and look tiny) and does it feed all .22 rounds smoothly or does it prefer only the more expensive (relative of course) rounds?
I've had mine for 5 years or so. The hammer started following the slide down when you load a new clip and hit the slide release. Taken it to a couple of gunsmiths who say the problem can only be fixed by Smith and Wesson (they build them for Walther).
I've sent it back to Smith twice with no luck. I pretty much only use it shooting on private land- I've had a couple of range marshals tell me I couldn't use it with the hammer falling, even though it's not fast enough to set a round off.
I'd buy a Ruger if I had to do it all over.
*edit* forgot to mention they're assembled with cheap spring pins that back out of the frame. Mine did after 3 or 4 range trips. No big deal- just tap them back in, but not a sign of quality craftsmanship.
Quote from: The Happy Pip on June 08, 2010, 05:40:31 AM
I dropped $35.00 for 20 round of Cor-Bon Pow'r Ball... [bang]
Ouch!!! Checked my .380 Federal Hydra-Shok stash and I have 600 rounds!! Whoopee!! [thumbsup] Thought I had 500. Hell, at $35 per 20 round box and it sounds like it's the best investment I've made lately. [laugh] That's a $1,050 worth of Hydra-Shok at those prices. I've had it so long I'll never remember what I paid for it. Guess it doesn't matter now. As it's been said, ammo may be the new underground currency. [evil]
i didnt pay for it, but i was signed for it.
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Now that's what I call a carry gun!!! [clap] Guess that's too big for an ankle rig. ;) Is the axe there for size comparison? Have fun with it. Looks expensive. At least you have two barrels to play with. [thumbsup]
i took that pic during my first tour in iraq back in 06, some chick asked me if there was anything over there that i actually liked haha. it is a little to big for an ankle rig, but it fits just right on top of a hmmwv (humvee for you civilians, which i hope to be in a few months!). its been a while since i was a .50 cal gunner but if i remember right the ma duce costs something like $14,000 for a unit to replace.
I can only imagine what a transferable class III M2 would cost in the civilian world? :P It would look pregnant dogin' on top of my Suburban too! [thumbsup] Up yours tail gaters! ;D
Quote from: fastwin on June 15, 2010, 01:15:05 PM
I can only imagine what a transferable class III M2 would cost in the civilian world? :P It would look pregnant dogin' on top of my Suburban too! [thumbsup] Up yours tail gaters! ;D
about $18,500
http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/index.cgi?db=nfafirearms&website=&language=&session_key=&search_and_display_db_button=on&results_format=long&db_id=17023&query=retrieval (http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/index.cgi?db=nfafirearms&website=&language=&session_key=&search_and_display_db_button=on&results_format=long&db_id=17023&query=retrieval)
Worth every penny! [thumbsup]
Quote from: fastwin on June 15, 2010, 05:39:00 PM
Worth every penny! [thumbsup]
+1
Do they finance? ;D
There is a very cool gun shop in Westerville, Ohio (North Suburb of Columbus) called Aumiller Gun Shop.
I swear, they have between 20-30 full auto Class III guns for sale. Anything from full auto M16 to Tommy Gun's to Uzi's.
I was in there the other day buying some 30rnd AR Mags and saw a few M14's for sale.
The first was a Springfield for 10k, select fire.
the second was a Winchester for 19k, select fire.
First, I didn't know Winchester even made an M14, I thought that was a Springfield gun, but I suppose just like the AR platform, many different manufacturers.
So I asked the old guy working (all a bunch of old dudes work there, very knowledgable and friendly.........once you are a repeat customer and know your shit. He remembered me and asked how I liked my Saiga) why the price difference.
I guess the Springfield was converted to full-auto while the Winchester came from the factory full-auto.
Can anyone explain what the difference would be and would warrant nearly a 2x the price????
I have class III goodies but I'm no M14 expert. I have semi M1As. Maybe the factory Winchester is more collectible/valuable to the class III crowd. I would also assume a converted weapon would always have less value status than something that came full auto straight up from the factory. For example, an original Colt M16 in the box versus an AR platform gun that a class II manufacturer converted with a sear swap.
Not for sure, just a somewhat educated guess. I'm sure the pros will chime in with the right answer. [thumbsup] I just kick myself for not picking up a prestine Devine, TX M1A years ago when I had the chance. Went for a legal FN-FAL G series gun instead. Nice piece but I would love to have the Devine next to it in the safe.
Have you ever shot a full auto .308? Damn. Shot an HK sear gun once and after about two 20 round mags I handed it back. It can be a workout.
^^^^
I've never had the luxury of shooting a full auto gun before. I'd love to.
However.......after watching some youtube videos of full auto Saiga 12's with a 25rnd drum mag.........I will pass on that as my first experience.
I could only imagine a full auto .308, but imagine the kick isn't terribly bad, it is just a heavy gun to begin with.
I'd love to shoot a SAW (5.56) then the GULF (.308)
The line forms to the right! [laugh]
Quote from: cyrus buelton on June 16, 2010, 11:53:05 AM
^^^^
I've never had the luxury of shooting a full auto gun before. I'd love to.
However.......after watching some youtube videos of full auto Saiga 12's with a 25rnd drum mag.........I will pass on that as my first experience.
I could only imagine a full auto .308, but imagine the kick isn't terribly bad, it is just a heavy gun to begin with.
I'd love to shoot a SAW (5.56) then the GULF (.308)
m-14s are useless on full auto, if you want a .308 belt fed, get a browning 1919... The only really controllable .308 battle rifle is an italian BM-59, which has a very good muzzle brake. An m-16 is a hell of a lot more versatile than pretty much anything else and is a great deal if you want a FA gun. I had one, ran it in .223, .22lr and 9mm. There's beltfed uppers that come in .223, .22lr, and 8mm. btw, the reason that the winchester m-14 is worth more is because it's a real military weapon, the springfield must be one of those made by SA, inc which work fine but have no collector value. TRW and Harrington and Richardson also made m-14s in addition to the real sprinfield armory in Springfield, MA. They were also made by the Taiwanese.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on June 16, 2010, 11:53:05 AM
I'd love to shoot a SAW (5.56) then the GULF (.308)
what is a GULF?
do you meant the M240G?
Quote from: Mother on June 16, 2010, 04:04:52 PM
what is a GULF?
do you meant the M240G?
Most likely.
The 249 is an interesting weapon system. I'm still a fan of the Pig though, especially in the E4 flavor.
Sorry bro', gun savvy but what is the Pig in E4 flavor? 'Splain for the dumbass civies out here. Please sir. I'm all over the 249 SAW but what's the Pig in E4?
M-60 E4
(http://www.sfg-clan.net/COD4/weapons/M60E4.jpg)
Quote from: zarn02 on June 16, 2010, 07:08:19 PM
M-60 E4
(http://www.sfg-clan.net/COD4/weapons/M60E4.jpg)
*boing*
"show off your guns" not "show off gun pr0n"
i picked up a Kahr CW9, the low-budget version of the P9. I love it. it definitely isn't finished as nicely a the P9, and doesn't have a polygonal barrel like the P9, but it's $200 cheaper. It has the same frame though and function is identical.
I have had an E9 for ages, from the first generation and a buddy of mine has a K9 and I can't say enough how impressed I am with their design and function. The trigger op is the best of any DAO pistol I've handled (and I've handled a lot of them).
I tried a P9 years ago but didn't like it for some reason. I grew to like it a lot, but then didn't like the price -- they aren't cheap, but they have some very expensive features built-in, stuff which I don't personally think is necessary on a carry pistol. The CW9 answered that for me
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I,
That's the exact one I checked out the other day when I was emailing you about it.
Break it in then I'll drive down and shoot to see if I like it.
Based on the feel at the shop......I wouldn't purchase.
Quote from: Mother on June 16, 2010, 04:04:52 PM
what is a GULF?
do you meant the M240G?
Yes, M240G = Gulf
or
at least that's what my friends in the military called it.
Quote from: ducatiz on June 17, 2010, 02:48:06 AM
"show off your guns" not "show off gun pr0n"
Don't really think Trey would mind.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on June 17, 2010, 04:45:31 AM
Yes, M240G = Golf
Fixed it for ya. [thumbsup]
Quote from: willz2155 on June 14, 2010, 01:04:30 AM
i didnt pay for it, but i was signed for it.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v661/willz2155/twofavs.jpg)
So...
you stole that from me?
Quote from: cyrus buelton on June 17, 2010, 04:45:31 AM
Yes, M240G = Gulf
or
at least that's what my friends in the military called it.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on June 16, 2010, 05:02:03 AM
...once you are a repeat customer and know your shit.
[laugh] [bang]
Quote from: willz2155 on June 14, 2010, 01:04:30 AM
i didnt pay for it, but i was signed for it.
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That's nothin' ;D
I used to sign for one of these:
(http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/Abrams_Pics/M1A1-Firing-07.jpg)l]
120mm smoothbore is where its at, baby. 8)
love the saw would go back to humping it any day of the week, but cleaning that thing is an unreal task, im convinced they put the magazine well on that gun to make you hate the universe. loved humping the 240b too; that gun can eat belts of ammo, i wouldnt even want to know what it costs to take a companys worth of them to the range haha. being my platoons lead .50 gunner was probably my favorite job in the military, we did have a company from the 1st cav attached to us when i was over there during the surge and i wouldnt want to ever be a reloader in one of those thing (got to know a dude how didnt get out of the way fast enough). i did love hearing them clanking down the road a block or two over from us when we were down in the city, and when you heard that main gun swing around you knew they were about to put on a show. now im a sergeant and my life is boring im back to carrying around a little m4, but i did get the m4 with the grenade launcher attached to it... im going to miss all the toys when im a civilian.
Just joined the Associated Gun Clubs of Baltimore. Awesome range. Trap, 200 yard rifle (with military target bunker), 100 yard rifle and pistol ranges. Open 362 days a year and rarely too crowded on the weekend.
Got to sight out the new M4gery. First shot on paper, second shot in the bullseye at 25 yards.
I can take as many guests as I want to AGC so if anybody in the DC/Balto area wants to go out and toss some lead downrange, let me know.
:D
LEGO Obliterator Minigun (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSE5LRDsPkU&feature=related#normal)
I know its technically not *my* gun, but it's still cool.
There's other interesting vids of pump shotguns, etc.
That's pretty funny!! [laugh] I've got to show that to my 13 year old, he'll love it! He's got a belt fed Nerf machine gun that looks like a 249 SAW. That thing seems to be running all the time, I can't believe it hasn't broken yet! [bang]
Since my big brother will be spending the next 5 months in the swamps of Georgia at some Homeland Security base/training facility, he is letting me borrow his Springfield M1 or M14, whatever you want to call it. He just started training today to be a Special Agent in a branch under the homeland security. For his protective reasons, I am not going to list the agency he will be joining upon graduation this Fall.
Here are some shots. Just a standard Springfield .308 rifle, but it is so much fun to shoot. Sorry for the oddness of the pictures, the only camera I could find was my wife's Nikon with some high powered expensive lens on it, I couldn't get a decent picture.
This is going to make me:
1. Not give it back
2. Buy one
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^ M1A SOCOM ?
Looks more like a Scout model to me.
it's the latest SOCOM model.
all based on the "original" M14 "Bush" rifle.. Maybe i'll post pics of mine (with the '69 springfield receiver).
i like the scope mount on those though. much better than the original.
It's got the Bush 16" barrel (I've got one in a factory woodland camo fiberglass stock) but it also has the Scout picatinny rail on top of the handguard. It's a 16" Scout. Cool gun!!! [thumbsup] Have fun with it... as if I have to tell you that! ;D
Mmmm. 16".308. Good stuff indeed. ;D They are cool little guns for sure! [thumbsup] I noticed that Dillion is selling the latest 25 round gov't mags. Five up on what I have in stock. May have to look into that.
Gun pictured is just a standard M1A or M14 if you are using military terminology.
It is not a tricked out special Socom Model.
Just your basic M1A with a synthetic stock, holds a 20rnd Mag, and is chambered in the typical .308.
Nothing special about it.
I just like the feel of the gun and it shoots nicely and accurate.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on June 21, 2010, 05:29:58 PM
Gun pictured is just a standard M1A or M14 if you are using military terminology.
Just your basic M1A with a synthetic stock, holds a 20rnd Mag, and is chambered in the typical .308.
Nothing special about it.
I just like the feel of the gun and it shoots nicely and accurate.
Nosir. It is in fact a scout model, which can be id'd by the shorter barrel and unique muzzle brake/compensator. You can also tell from the rail mount on the upper fore-end.
Also, M14s are only mil-spec and are select fire capable, so in fact different from an M1A.
Quote from: DRKWNG on June 21, 2010, 05:52:40 PM
Nosir. It is in fact a scout model, which can be id'd by the shorter barrel and unique muzzle brake/compensator. You can also tell from the rail mount on the upper fore-end.
Also, M14s are only mil-spec and are select fire capable, so in fact different from an M1A.
Touche on all points.
went through some emails when he bought it and you are correct.
It is the scout model.
Go back to serving and protecting our country [thumbsup]
OK, DRKWNG and I are done here. [laugh] Now go out an enjoy busting some caps!! Good guns, great feral hog guns!!! [thumbsup] Find a reasonably priced red dot scope for that bad boy. It's begging for one! ;D
Quote from: cyrus buelton on June 21, 2010, 05:29:58 PM
Gun pictured is just a standard M1A or M14 if you are using military terminology
[roll]
Actually the "M1A" designation is a proprietary commercial name used by the Reese family's (commercial private sector) enterprise that was named Springfield Armory Inc. of Geneseo Ill.
not to be confused with Springfield Armory in Mass. which was the real government arsenal that was shut down in 1967 and is now a National Historic Site....
although the Reese family does their level best to confuse their company with the former government entity in their marketing strategy with ads that say "The Oldest Name In American Firearms"....indeed it is the oldest name, however in fact it has nothing to do with what the Reese gang is shoveling out their door in Illinois
Other makers of the genre use the military M14 designation for their semi-auto rifles that approximate the features of the original USGI design sans select fire ability the names usually have some modification...for instance the LRB M14SA or Armscorp M14NM etc etc
Many people mis-use the M1A designation as a generic referral to their non-select fire commercial versions of the rifle
I thought the SOCOM had that front end festooned with Picatinny rails and the Scout was just a version of the M1A with a cut down barrel to enhance muzzle blast :)
SOCOM II
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http://springfield-armory.primediaoutdoors.com/SPstory24.php (http://springfield-armory.primediaoutdoors.com/SPstory24.php)
Here's an LRB M14sa that Art Luppino match-built for me using a barreled receiver and new/as new/from the wrapper TRW parts supplied by me
The barrel is an original TRW contract NM tube from the 1960's that I lucked into
That is his test target when he was done...100 yards on the bench
As Art has said to me ....only accurate weapons are interesting
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Quote from: RAT900 on June 21, 2010, 08:54:56 PM
That is his test target when he was done...100 yards on the bench
100 yards. meh :D
for a guy in his 70's shooting iron sights I think it says something ;)
besides a 600 meter test/sighting target could get expensive ammo-wise
Quote from: kopfjäger on June 21, 2010, 06:39:34 PM
[roll]
How did I figure you chime in with a smart ass comment?
Sorry we all aren't special ops range instructors in the military.
Quote from: fastwin on June 21, 2010, 06:20:18 PM
Good guns, great feral hog guns!!! [thumbsup]
I was going to ask if it's a good hog gun. My brother has been hunting hogs for at least a year and I want to talk him into buying one of these so that I can steal it.
Quote from: duccarlos on June 22, 2010, 05:56:21 AM
I was going to ask if it's a good hog gun. My brother has been hunting hogs for at least a year and I want to talk him into buying one of these so that I can steal it.
It's a pretty heavy gun to lug around if you have a 20rnd mag in it.
Heavy being compared to a AR-15.
I need to call you to discuss hog hunting actually. Since my bro is in Southern Georgia, isn't that a hog hunting region?
I want to go down for a weekend and take him hunting. I've never been before, so I need to read up on the procedure, practice, etc etc.
My understanding is you just walk around on their "paths" and wait til one comes along and you pop it with a .357mag handgun or some sort of rifle.
Quote from: duccarlos on June 22, 2010, 05:56:21 AM
I was going to ask if it's a good hog gun. My brother has been hunting hogs for at least a year and I want to talk him into buying one of these so that I can steal it.
If you can find one an old Ruger semi-auto carbine in 44 magnum...cuts through the brush with minimal deflection and has the required raw stopping power
for when the hairy VW beetle with giant tusks comes crashing through the shrubs straight at you with bad intent
Quote from: cyrus buelton on June 22, 2010, 06:39:49 AM
It's a pretty heavy gun to lug around if you have a 20rnd mag in it.
Heavy being compared to a AR-15.
I need to call you to discuss hog hunting actually. Since my bro is in Southern Georgia, isn't that a hog hunting region?
I want to go down for a weekend and take him hunting. I've never been before, so I need to read up on the procedure, practice, etc etc.
My understanding is you just walk around on their "paths" and wait til one comes along and you pop it with a .357mag handgun or some sort of rifle.
Southern Georgia is big on hog hunting. I believe you need a license to hunt them. You also need to find a place where they allow it. My brother rents a cabin and he has a specific area where he can hunt. He can also bring in guests, but you can't get out of the area or it's considered poaching. I wouldn't recommend doing this since you're liable to get shot by the locals. I can get you in contact with my brother and his friend. They go up to the cabin very very regularly and probably now more since he's shipping off the kids. An AR works well and you'll also need a handgun with enough stoping power to take down a charging hog just in case. My brother prefers the .10 Glock. Don't ask me why he prefers it. I assume that your .45 would be best. Let me know and I'll get you in contact with him.
Quote from: duccarlos on June 22, 2010, 05:56:21 AM
I was going to ask if it's a good hog gun. My brother has been hunting hogs for at least a year and I want to talk him into buying one of these so that I can steal it.
More good thinking!! [thumbsup]
My older brother's rule of gift giving is always give something that you can borrow back and use yourself!! [clap] Sounds like you are on to something.
Quote from: fastwin on June 22, 2010, 07:44:51 AM
More good thinking!! [thumbsup]
My older brother's rule of gift giving is always give something that you can borrow back and use yourself!! [clap] Sounds like you are on to something.
Well, it doesn't make sense for me to buy one when I live in South Florida. I would only use it when visitng Georgia. Not sure how much effort it would take to convince him.
Is a .45 a large enough round to stop a charging hog?
How about a .357 sig?
I figured you'd need a permit.
I thought about going through an outfitter since they take you on the right path and have the knowledge.
but then again, sounds like your brother has the same knowledge base.
Is a .223 a large enough round to kill a hog or would it take multiple shots?
I hear they are tough make the beast with two backsers.
You'll need multiple shots and most likely it will take a few minutes of thrashing. The handgun is just a precaution and I would hope that it has enough stopping power.
My brother has been into hunting now for a few years. His buddy has done it for years and they'll keep you safe as long as you don't piss them off. Then you're on your own, but my brother is generally a cool enough guy.
If he is anything like you, then "cool" is not the word I would use.
more like douchebag
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
I'll give you a call when we are ready to possibly plan it. My bro needs to get into his routine down there and he isn't sure what the training schedule is like. He is coming up here on the 4th so by then we should have a good idea if it is a plausible idea.
Is there a specific season for these things or is it year round?
So basically you just unload a shit ton of rounds into them until they stop moving?
Id lug that Saiga out in search of hogs. A one shot kill is a beautiful thing!
The hog would need to be too close for comfort to take down with the Saiga. Hogs are a nuisance so they hunt them year around. Deer season starts closer to fall and I think it first opens for bow and arrow. I think he prefers his .223 for hogs because of the accurracy when you have to get multiple hits. They'll continue to fight for a while and then just fll over. Let me see if I can find the video of the guys that hunt them using thermal sights.
These guys get paid by farmers to hunt hogs that feed in their property at night:
http://www.youtube.com/user/JAGERPRO (http://www.youtube.com/user/JAGERPRO)
Watch some of the videos. It's impressive shooting.
Quote from: rgramjet on June 22, 2010, 10:18:55 AM
Id lug that Saiga out in search of hogs. A one shot kill is a beautiful thing!
It will shoot a 3" slug
I think a 10rnd Mag of slugs would do the trick considering it will fire as fast as an AR (maybe a little slower, but probably not much)
Quote from: duccarlos on June 22, 2010, 10:23:36 AM
The hog would need to be too close for comfort to take down with the Saiga. Hogs are a nuisance so they hunt them year around. Deer season starts closer to fall and I think it first opens for bow and arrow. I think he prefers his .223 for hogs because of the accurracy when you have to get multiple hits. They'll continue to fight for a while and then just fll over. Let me see if I can find the video of the guys that hunt them using thermal sights.
Hm, maybe slug-slug-00-00-dragonsbreath might be a good firing order.
Quote from: rgramjet on June 22, 2010, 10:38:37 AM
Hm, maybe slug-slug-00-00-dragonsbreath might be a good firing order.
:o
You might not make it to the 00 rounds. Those things are fast and they're not happy when you shoot them.
Anyone used the Hornady 12ga SST Slug?
Kick so hard it turns me on a little. [thumbsup]
We are wandering a little off topic but I have to tell this one. My brother has some property southeast of Dallas as does one of his good friends. They are always talking about their wild hog problems. My brother has said that his place at times looks like it has been carpet bombed due to the hogs rooting up everything.
Earlier this year several of the local farmers and ranchers pooled their money and hired a pro hog killer. Catch is this guy uses a helicopter! It's a father and son team. The Dad is an ex military chopper pilot and his son was maybe in his 30s. Dad flies over the thick brush and flushes out the groups of hogs and Junior sitting on the edge mows them down. I'm sure he's harnessed in for obvious safety reasons. My brother and his two boys were there to watch the festivities.
He told me the son had an AR-15 and a AK-47, both semi auto. And the fun part (besides tearing into a few hundred hogs!) was the guy had a small camera (like we use on our bikes) mounted to the forearms of the rifles and they were going to make a DVD of the "hunt" and sell them!
Total body count was over 300 hogs from giant boars all the way down to poodle size piglets. That put a damn good dent in the local population! But since they have no natural predators (expect armed people in choppers!) and that part of the state is ripe in Trinity River wetlands and thick brush they probably have already bred fast enough to replace the hogs that were shot!! Apparently there are so many hogs in the state it keeps these two guys constantly busy. I don't know what type of chopper it was but the Dad had two of them. Those can't be cheap!! I think they charged $300/hour and flew about 4-5 hours each day, a total of two days. Talk about a fun job!!! [thumbsup] [bacon]
22 hogs in a night barely make a dent. That's why hogs are hunted all year around. That's a lot of [bacon]
I've never gone with him on a hunt since he would take his gf and her kids along, but now that they are out of the picture I'll probably go with him and most likely use the .223. I might actually chip in to get the M1A1 if it comes to that.
Quote from: duccarlos on June 22, 2010, 11:09:43 AM
You might not make it to the 00 rounds. Those things are fast and they're not happy when you shoot them.
First shot placement is always critical. How far away are they shooting the hogs with the .223?
Is it typical to hunt off tree stands or do they walk alot?
Quote from: rgramjet on June 22, 2010, 11:58:36 AM
First shot placement is always critical. How far away are they shooting the hogs with the .223?
Is it typical to hunt off tree stands or do they walk alot?
Mostly walking. Tree stands are for pussies ;D
I would say that they were shooting around 50 yards. From what I understand, they generally don't charge unless they your blocking their escape, but I think it better for them not to see you.
4 words.
Benelli Super Black Eagle
Sows can get a little fussy when they have their kiddos with them. A couple a guys were doing barb wire fence work on my brother's place several years ago and they were rushed by a big sow. They boogied up a tree to stay away from her, they couldn't make it back to their truck since she was coming from that direction. They saw her come out of some nearby woods but made no threatening moves at all towards her. She just snorted and rushed them. Up in the tree they could see some piglets from where she had come from. Probably just trying to scare them away from the kiddos more than trying to do them any real physical harm. Still, I for sure would have been the first one up that tree!! [thumbsup]
Quote from: rgramjet on June 22, 2010, 10:38:37 AM
Hm, maybe slug-slug-00-00-dragonsbreath might be a good firing order.
I have 00-00-slug-slug-00-slug-00-slug-slug-00
That's my Saiga 10rnd mag order
Quote from: rgramjet on June 22, 2010, 10:38:37 AM
Hm, maybe slug-slug-00-00-dragonsbreath might be a good firing order.
I know that wild hogs are pretty fearless, but I would imagine the dragonsbreath would make one turn and run like hell. Have you ever seen one of those rounds go off? And if it stood its ground, you already have dinner cooked. [thumbsup]
Quote from: DRKWNG on June 22, 2010, 12:47:37 PMHave you ever seen one of those rounds go off? And if it stood its ground, you already have dinner cooked. [thumbsup]
DRAGON BREATH 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqqTlBplBPY#normal)
Quote from: DRKWNG on June 21, 2010, 05:52:40 PM
Also, M14s are only mil-spec and are select fire capable, so in fact different from an M1A.
My Polytech "M14" built by Walt Kuleck is semi auto
Quote from: cyrus buelton on June 22, 2010, 12:44:13 PM
I have 00-00-slug-slug-00-slug-00-slug-slug-00
That's my Saiga 10rnd mag order
Why the shorter range buckshot before the slugs?
In NH we kill pigs with a 22.
Granted it's not a 'hunting' situation...
but...
You guys need to spend more time at the range. [evil] [cheeky]
Quote from: rgramjet on June 22, 2010, 03:29:31 PM
Why the shorter range buckshot before the slugs?
In case they make it to their car and try to drive away. [laugh]
Quote from: rgramjet on June 22, 2010, 03:29:31 PM
Why the shorter range buckshot before the slugs?
Cyrus' middle name is 'tactical'
don't make the beast with two backs with him.
Wasnt make the beast with two backsing with him, just curious.
I have hunted deer, in thick brush, in bear country. I could see a justification for 00 first......a bit more forgiving with thin skinned animals that might charge you.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on June 22, 2010, 12:44:13 PM
I have 00-00-slug-slug-00-slug-00-slug-slug-00
That's my Saiga 10rnd mag order
No biggie and I won't re-hash all my reasoning from another post. But I taught a tactical shotgun class at a firearms academy for 11 years. And have taken multiple tact scattergun courses from Clint Smith (Thunder Ranch), Louis Awerbuck (Yavapai Firearms Academy), John Farnham (Defense Training International) and many others. Doesn't make me Mr. Know It All but I have never been a fan of "stacked" shotgun tubes (or mags in your case) and neither has any of those instructors. I'm talking personal self defense here not hog popping.
Just curious, why do you choose to stack your ammo that way? I have had many "interesting" answers from students over the years. And no, I'm not trying to be a smart ass/turd here. Just sincerely asking why the ammo mix? Obviously do what ever the hell you want, it's a free country. [thumbsup] For the time being. Just wondering is all. Please post up or PM if you want. Thanks!!
Home defense is all #2, all the time. What do the home defense experts recommend?
My deer hunting preference is a Brenneke sabot slug.....when I cant use a rifle.
Damn this thread.
I guess I need a shotgun now...
So that makes the current wish list-
1- Springfield xd45
2- scattergun
3- build ar
you guys gotta knock it off. My wallet can't take this.
[laugh]
Quote from: rgramjet on June 22, 2010, 04:26:51 PM
Home defense is all #2, all the time. What do the home defense experts recommend?
My deer hunting preference is a Brenneke sabot slug.....when I cant use a rifle.
Their slugs do kick ass! I love those. But I don't use the sabot, just straight up rifled 1 oz. Brenneke slugs. [thumbsup]
Ah... use what the hell you want. I'm not going there. So many opinions from so many people. Take your pick. Shit, what 12 gauge shotgun round wouldn't absolutely make the beast with two backs you up in home defense shooting distances? I'm sure an ER surgeon would just cover your face up with a sheet and walk away even when #7 birdshot was used! Try birdshot on a cardboard target at 5, 7 and 10 yards. Check out the spread. Even at 10 it's the size of a coffee cup saucer with a modified choke! Ouch!!
My cheap ass two cents advice is Estate low recoil tact 00 buck (9 pellets). Yeah, it's not made anymore and that's why I have so many cases of it!! ;D Out of my class III 14" Vang Comp barrels it's the best patterning 00 buck in the worldl!! Next is standard issue Federal low recoil tact 00 buck (9 pellet). I have many friends who like Federal's 8 pellet 0 tact buck. I think you should just find what patterns best out of your gun's barrel, practice like crazy and call it a day.
Hope you never have to fire a round in anger. [thumbsup]
Quote from: Statler on June 22, 2010, 03:52:03 PM
Cyrus' middle name is 'tactical'
don't make the beast with two backs with him.
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Quote from: fastwin on June 22, 2010, 04:09:39 PM
No biggie and I won't re-hash all my reasoning from another post. But I taught a tactical shotgun class at a firearms academy for 11 years. And have taken multiple tact scattergun courses from Clint Smith (Thunder Ranch), Louis Awerbuck (Yavapai Firearms Academy), John Farnham .....
John Farnham - You're The Voice Live - Arias 2003 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDI-f8NI1FE#normal)
Tough gun toting SOB that Johnny Farnham [laugh]
Wow! Farnham is much more talented than I ever knew... and better looking!! [laugh] [laugh]
Speaking of shotguns... we were, right?? I've noticed the SAS 12 getting some mileage in Hollyweird these days. It's in two trailers: one for Predators and in the one for The Expendables. At least someone is having some fun with it. [thumbsup]
'The Expendables' Trailer HD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6RU5y2fU6s#normal)
Predators Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u8vZwvP57Y#normal)
Quote from: Statler on June 22, 2010, 03:52:03 PM
Cyrus' middle name is 'tactical'
don't make the beast with two backs with him.
You are so funny.
Enjoy your 3,000$ overpriced .45
reasoning for staggering:
no idea.
figured the 00 buck will knock down the intruder and then finish em' off with a slug or 2.
That's a good enough answer. [cheeky] Like I said, anything coming out of the hot end of a 12 gauge is bad news.
Quote from: fastwin on June 23, 2010, 04:53:43 AM
Speaking of shotguns... we were, right?? I've noticed the SAS 12 getting some mileage in Hollyweird these days. It's in two trailers: one for Predators and in the one for The Expendables. At least someone is having some fun with it. [thumbsup]
'The Expendables' Trailer HD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6RU5y2fU6s#normal)
Predators Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u8vZwvP57Y#normal)
We were talking about these movies on another thread. Anyway, for home defense any 12 gauge will do, but I prefer the old school short shottie.
Quote from: fastwin on June 23, 2010, 06:04:28 AM
That's a good enough answer. [cheeky] Like I said, anything coming out of the hot end of a 12 gauge is bad news.
I read up on the "spray" of 00 buck and it is an effective pattern anywhere in my house, so that is why the first two rounds are 00.
Anywhere I would be located, the group of the pellets will hit the chest of an adult. I also tested this at the range on a target.
Quote from: fastwin on June 22, 2010, 04:09:39 PM
No biggie and I won't re-hash all my reasoning from another post. But I taught a tactical shotgun class at a firearms academy for 11 years. And have taken multiple tact scattergun courses from Clint Smith (Thunder Ranch), Louis Awerbuck (Yavapai Firearms Academy), John Farnham (Defense Training International) and many others. Doesn't make me Mr. Know It All but I have never been a fan of "stacked" shotgun tubes (or mags in your case) and neither has any of those instructors. I'm talking personal self defense here not hog popping.
Just curious, why do you choose to stack your ammo that way? I have had many "interesting" answers from students over the years. And no, I'm not trying to be a smart ass/turd here. Just sincerely asking why the ammo mix? Obviously do what ever the hell you want, it's a free country. [thumbsup] For the time being. Just wondering is all. Please post up or PM if you want. Thanks!!
I posted above my reasoning, which I have no idea if it is worthwhile or not, just sort of made sense to me.
So why do you recommend not staggering? Consistency of each round being the same?
No, that's a really good answer. Knowing how your shotgun patterns is very important. It was an important part of my class. We'd use fresh IPSC cardboard targets, take your favorite flavor of buckshot, then fire a round (center body mass) at 5 yards, make safe, sling your weapon, go downrange and mark the "outer" ring of pellet holes with a Marks-A-Lot. Connect a dot so to speak. Then repeat that drill at 7, 10, 15, 20 and 25 yards. You would mark the ring with the given distance you fired from. Obviously the drawn/connect a dot ring gets larger as you increase distance.
We'd loose the ability to keep all the pellets on target at around the 15-20 yard range. That's an average. Lots of factors involved. Obvious is shot placement but barrel length, type of choke and type/brand of shotshell are all involved. Typical Rem 870 pump with 18" barrel and modified choke would hang in there until about 20 yards using name brand 2.75" 00 buck. Once you loose the ability to keep all the pellets on target that's about the distance limit for your gun and buckshot. I stressed the accountablity of knowing where all those pellets are going. If half hit your target where are the other half going??? You are responsible for all those pellets when they are going downrange.
Most of my scatterguns have been modified and ported by Hans Vang (Vang Comp) and like I said I LOVE the now defunct Estate brand tactical 00 buckshot. Even out of my class III 14" Vang Comp barrels it would hold a smaller than dinner plate pattern way past 25 yards. Easy. Good stuff, tight patterns. [thumbsup]
It's funny sometimes we'd have shooters come to the class absolutely swearing by brand x buckshot only to find out during the pattern drills that their weapon actually liked brand z better. We'd even have two shooters side by side with the exact same shotguns and one gun would pattern well on brand x and the other gun would like brand z. It's worth the effort to try several brands and types to see what works best for you and your weapon. Then practice and learn that pattern at different distances that you might have to shoot from in your home.
That sort of answers why I am not a fan of "stacked/mixed" magazine tubes. I keep slugs on a side saddle shell holder mounted to the receiver if I ever need them. I keep a fanny pack with my spare buckshot, a carry pistol and a back up flashlight next to my home defense shotgun. That's my long winded two cents. But again, good for you for patterning your gun!
Quote from: cyrus buelton on June 23, 2010, 08:54:15 AM
So why do you recommend not staggering? Consistency of each round being the same?
I'll wait with everyone else for Good Word, but my assumption here would be that in an adrenaline-infused, possibly panicked situation (as most of us probably would be in, since the majority of us don't shoot at people on a regular basis) you don't need to further complicate your life by spraying all sorts of different ammunition around your home, or having to remember how many shots of
x you have before you have to plan to use
y.
(And this relates to absolutely nothing at all, but I just noticed we've been gifted a new smiley, for when we feel the need to drool profusely. [drool])
edit: Apparently the Good Word came before I got done typing.
Very true. I didn't include that topic in my long winded, novel length post. [bang] All the instructors I have taken courses from have said that exact same thing. During stressfire there is no way you are going to remember how many times you fired and cycled your shotgun... or any firearm. In the middle of an armed controntation there is no way you are going to know which round is chambered if you have them mixed up. How many times have you read about well trained, experienced police officers who thought they fired 3-4 times when they may have actually gone through two full magazines. If that happens to those good guys there is no damn way I'm going to keep up. :P
OK, end of giant thread jack! Back to pictures of guns!! [thumbsup]
Thanks for the great explanation [thumbsup]
I am going to take your advice and load one Saiga Mag with 00 and the other with strictly slug.
Then on my 870 pump home defense, I will fill with 00 and, like you have, fill my side holders with slugs.
Great info [thumbsup]
Went to the gun shop today, but didn't purchase anything. Nothing really struck my fancy.
They had a bunch of .357 Sig (I think the model is P226) police guns for sale. they wanted 500$ a piece for them.
They appeared to be in good shape, but not in need of another gun right now.
I still have yet to shoot my Saiga or my Glock 33 (.357 sig). [roll]
I am left eye dominate but right handed, so I am forced to shoot long guns off my left shoulder, which has had major surgeries done and I just got clearance from my doctor to start shooting again, so I hope to get out this weekend, but have some major home projects, so probably won't get out. Grrrrr.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on June 23, 2010, 02:31:05 PM
Went to the gun shop today, but didn't purchase anything. Nothing really struck my fancy.
They had a bunch of .357 Sig (I think the model is P226) police guns for sale. they wanted 500$ a piece for them.
F That!
For $100 more you can get the Sig 250. Interchangeable trigger group will fit frames ranging from sub-compact to full size plus you can drop the same trigger group into different caliber assemblies! My next handgun will be a 250.
Cyrus B,
I also need major reconstructive shoulder surgery on my shooting shoulder (hmmm, too many buckshot and slug rounds??? [laugh]). When I do a lot of rifle or shotgun shooting I have one of the slip on PAST brand shoulder pads in my shooting kit. Sort of slips over the shoulder and has a velcro strap adjustment to hold it in place. Actually not a real bother at all. It's not so thick that it throws off your cheek weld on the stock. Damn sure keeps my shoulder from killing me that night or the next day. [thumbsup]
Just do a google search for PAST shooting/shoulder pad if you don't know what I'm talking about.
Quote from: rgramjet on June 23, 2010, 03:16:38 PM
F That!
For $100 more you can get the Sig 250. Interchangeable trigger group will fit frames ranging from sub-compact to full size plus you can drop the same trigger group into different caliber assemblies! My next handgun will be a 250.
Wow, that sounds like a sweet gun. I'll have to check it out when I am in the market for my next gun.
I love HK's. My favorite gun outside my CZ 85 9mm; that thing is such a smooth gun and very accurate.
Quote from: fastwin on June 23, 2010, 05:37:50 PM
Cyrus B,
I also need major reconstructive shoulder surgery on my shooting shoulder (hmmm, too many buckshot and slug rounds??? [laugh]). When I do a lot of rifle or shotgun shooting I have one of the slip on PAST brand shoulder pads in my shooting kit. Sort of slips over the shoulder and has a velcro strap adjustment to hold it in place. Actually not a real bother at all. It's not so thick that it throws off your cheek weld on the stock. Damn sure keeps my shoulder from killing me that night or the next day. [thumbsup]
Just do a google search for PAST shooting/shoulder pad if you don't know what I'm talking about.
I'll check out the PAST shoulder pad. Thanks for the tip.
PM me about your shoulder. I've had a total of 4 surgeries on mine in 10 years. 2 being in the past year.
Finally am seeing a pain management doctor who rocks; he is not into opiate treatment which I don't want.
I have Voltarin Gel, lidoderm patches, and starting on some PT to work out the massive knot in my trap and getting fit for a TENS Unit (little pads and a controller that looks like a pacemaker to deliver the shock treatment).
PM me and I'll throw you my email so we can chat; I can offer some great advice as well as some shitty results from it.
From the OP.
"Pretty self explanatory, take pics of your guns and show us what you got!"
Quote from: fastwin on June 23, 2010, 09:45:45 AM
No, that's a really good answer. Knowing how your shotgun patterns is very important. It was an important part of my class. We'd use fresh IPSC cardboard targets, take your favorite flavor of buckshot, then fire a round (center body mass) at 5 yards, make safe, sling your weapon, go downrange and mark the "outer" ring of pellet holes with a Marks-A-Lot. Connect a dot so to speak. Then repeat that drill at 7, 10, 15, 20 and 25 yards. You would mark the ring with the given distance you fired from. Obviously the drawn/connect a dot ring gets larger as you increase distance.
Brilliant!! Doing this next time I go out to the range. My barebones Rem870 Express 18" is my absolute favorite gun to shoot, so I'm drooling over this drill. Thanks for posting it up!
Overhere in the Netherlands you can legally get drugs , go to hookers drink when you are 16 but guns are a nono
Only thing you can buy are Airguns
This is mine
(http://supertjeduc.zenfolio.com/img/s8/v9/p854153925-4.jpg)
It's a Edgun (Russian ;D) is a single shot 5.5mm PCP , enough air for about 40 shots
Quote from: kopfjäger on June 23, 2010, 08:17:09 PM
From the OP.
"Pretty self explanatory, take pics of your guns and show us what you got!"
How about some pics of yours?
Quote from: supertjeduc on June 24, 2010, 03:57:48 AM
Overhere in the Netherlands you can legally get drugs , go to hookers drink when you are 16 but guns are a nono
Only thing you can buy are Airguns
This is mine
(http://supertjeduc.zenfolio.com/img/s8/v9/p854153925-4.jpg)
It's a Edgun (Russian ;D) is a single shot 5.5mm PCP , enough air for about 40 shots
Very nice!! That's a really cool looking airgun. It's got the whole Steyr AUG thing going for it.
I'm shuting the hell up now so we can go back to gun pics!! [laugh] And no I don't have any pics of my own, or my bikes. :P
Is an Air Gun one of those Air Soft guns that shoot plastic BB's?
I saw some at Bass Pro Shop a few weeks ago........wow.........they look like real military style guns, but obviously plastic and with the orange tip on the end of the barrel.
I bet those suckers hurt like a mofo to get shot with.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on June 24, 2010, 05:54:40 AM
Is an Air Gun one of those Air Soft guns that shoot plastic BB's?
I saw some at Bass Pro Shop a few weeks ago........wow.........they look like real military style guns, but obviously plastic and with the orange tip on the end of the barrel.
I bet those suckers hurt like a mofo to get shot with.
They do. Not knowing anything about them I jokingly shot my wife's grandkid in the belly with his. I really just thought this thing was a toy. When he grumbled about that, I shot myself point blank in the palm to see if it really hurt. Stings like a mofo.
Yes I got yelled at for this and deserved it too. :P
My kid got grounded from his after he punched about 15 holes through the lamp shade in his room!! [bang] His classic dumb kid answer was "I didn't know they were going through it." :P End of Air Soft as he knows it. >:(
No it's not a softair gun
It's using lead pellets
presure is about 200 bar
Wow, catchy tune. ;D By the way, lock your doors and watch your "six"... PETA just dispatched a hit squad to your house. [laugh]
I just removed the vid (and not because of Peta , ill eat them a live [evil] [evil])
Quote from: kopfjäger on June 23, 2010, 08:17:09 PM
From the OP.
"Pretty self explanatory, take pics of your guns and show us what you got!"
Seriously. Let's get back to "Show Off Your Guns".
Cyrus we could give two shits what load staggering you are considering. Start a new thread about tactics and the finer points of condo protection and stop the thread jacking here.
I'm to blame for the threadjack BS not him. I've stopped. No problem. I agree... pics of guns! [thumbsup]
Ok, back on topic. ;)
This is from last Sunday in Wyoming with my dad and his 2 friends that are left out of the big group of hunters. About 10 of them used to take his motorhome (from Michigan), a keg and enough rounds of ammo that, well, you get the idea.
Now it's down to three of them (they're in their mid-70's at this point), a pick-up and a six pack and they can't hit the side of a mountain to save their lives. They were all in the Korean war and two of them were cops/detectives â€" sharpshooters no more. But they're so cool. I love them.
My dad in the foreground:
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1149/4731964622_19a81246a0.jpg)
Me w/an M45 carbine:
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1115/4731322029_96a17bcef4_b.jpg)
Me and my dinner. [roll] Hit by a farm truck not by any of us:
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1349/4731966102_7f24f3ab35.jpg)
Awesome Pics!
I think thats an M1 Carbine with a 30 round clip. One of my favorite plinking rifles!!
Could be! I'm going off my what my dad (w/fading memory) said it was. It was definitely fun to shoot!
Quote from: Stella on June 24, 2010, 05:36:14 PM
Could be! I'm going off my what my dad (w/fading memory) said it was. It was definitely fun to shoot!
Cherish every second of those times with Dad. Dammit, now I want to go where theres big sky like that!
Quote from: rgramjet on June 24, 2010, 05:42:05 PM
Cherish every second of those times with Dad.
Trust me I do! [thumbsup]
Quote from: supertjeduc on June 24, 2010, 03:57:48 AM
Overhere in the Netherlands you can legally get drugs , go to hookers drink when you are 16 but guns are a nono
Only thing you can buy are Airguns
wait.. so how did that whackjob murder Pym Fortuyn then??
Just filled out the paperwork on the Sig 250 Subcompact.......let the waiting period begin.
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs322.ash1/28255_406039071637_500031637_4842286_3190848_n.jpg)
Just how many Sig 226 variations and commemoratives are there, anyway?
(Nice pistol, though.)
Quote from: hbliam on June 24, 2010, 12:32:15 PM
Cyrus we could give two shits what load staggering you are considering. Start a new thread about tactics and the finer points of condo protection and stop the thread jacking here.
It's a gun thread.
All things gun related have been discussed for numerous pages.
How about posting up your guns? You love to throw out insults and other bullshit, so post up or stop posting in general.
Here is my new CW9 Kahr I picked up today. I also got a generic hogue grip to throw on it, but haven't had a chance yet. I pumped 250rnds through it tonight. Very smooth gun and is quite accurate. Also got a new carry holster as I am taking the 12hr CCW class Sunday so I can start carrying again. Also shot my Glock 33 for the first time. That .357sig on that little frame has a pop to it. It will be a while before I am comfortable carrying it as I need more practice with it.
Oh yeah.......also dumped 40 rounds through the Saiga for the first time. Didn't shoot any slugs, just 2 3/4 00 buck.
Boy, that make the beast with two backser packs a punch!
here is the Kahr:
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/jshoward11/DSCN6467.jpg)
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/jshoward11/DSCN6468.jpg)
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/jshoward11/DSCN6469.jpg)
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/jshoward11/DSCN6472.jpg)
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/jshoward11/DSCN6473.jpg)
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/jshoward11/DSCN6474.jpg)
Quote from: rgramjet on June 25, 2010, 02:01:44 PM
Just filled out the paperwork on the Sig 250 Subcompact.......let the waiting period begin.
[thumbsup] sig fan here, let me know what you think of it. Wouldn't mind a sub compact for camping.
For those Sig lovers, Tizzy sent me this link:
http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/handguns/sig-sauer/p/sig-p6-p225-9mm-caliber%2C-semi-auto-sig-sauer-pistol-very-good-condition-/cPath/16_234/products_id/1903 (http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/handguns/sig-sauer/p/sig-p6-p225-9mm-caliber%2C-semi-auto-sig-sauer-pistol-very-good-condition-/cPath/16_234/products_id/1903)
P225 P6
German Police Guns. Real Sigs. Not ones made in NH. Made in Germany.
I was going to buy one, but bought the Kahr instead. They looked about the same size, but based on price and getting my hands on it, buying the Kahr was easier than dicking around with having it shipped to an FFL, paying their outrageous fees, etc.
The gun shops around here charge you an insane amount if they "carry" that brand.
The P6 is definitely a sweet gun. Only 8 shots though. I likes a subcompact with 12.
I held a CW9 yesterday. Love the feel and how thin it is. Felt very tight. Same price as the Sig but couldnt get away from the versatility of the 250.
Looking for a nice SOB or MOB for it right now.
Quote from: rgramjet on June 26, 2010, 04:19:14 AM
The P6 is definitely a sweet gun. Only 8 shots though. I likes a subcompact with 12.
I held a CW9 yesterday. Love the feel and how thin it is. Felt very tight. Same price as the Sig but couldnt get away from the versatility of the 250.
The CW9 only holds 7 + 1.
I think 8 shots is enough. I also purchased a inside the pants holster than actually can fit the extra two mags, but just not sure 3 mags is worth carrying. Two is good....three might be a bit much and aids in the size.
The holster also fits my Glock 33, need to check to see if the USP 45 fits in.
I liked the feel of the CW9, but to keep up with all my other handguns, I put a hogue on it.
That way, all my handguns have the same grip feel, which I like.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on June 25, 2010, 07:45:56 PM
How about posting up your guns? You love to throw out insults and other bullshit, so post up or stop posting in general.
Check page 2. [thumbsup]
Hb, just checked out page 2. I'm surprised I missed the Emerson!! +1 to a fellow edge connoisseur!
I've got that same blade as well. Ain't it sweet? ;D
Quote from: DRKWNG on June 26, 2010, 03:11:57 PM
I've got that same blade as well. Ain't it sweet? ;D
www.crawfordknives.com (//http://)
www.polkowskiknives.com (//http://)
Damnit Darryl, stop that!
;D
not sure if I posted this in here or not...I know I posted it somewhere on the board.
(http://cz-usa.com/assets/product-images/330/main330_png_637x200_q85.png)
It's a CZ 527 FS. It's chambered as a .223
Mine has a Nikon scope.
you know how dog owners often look kind of like their pets?
If I had to pick a rifle for dp.....
it would have a wood stock....
and be bolt action.....
although I must admit if I had to guess, in my head it'd be a .30-06
I would not want to be a wabbit (or a whatever the mean aminals are in the woods up there) anywhere near the farmhouse.
Quote from: DRKWNG on June 26, 2010, 03:11:57 PM
I've got that same blade as well. Ain't it sweet? ;D
I like it for the Wave feature more than I like the Tanto style blade which was the only style available at the time.
Just went on Emerson's website and now they have the CQC-7AW-SFS! Just bought the plain edge drop point knife with Wave. Ive been waiting for this one!
Quote from: Statler on June 26, 2010, 04:13:01 PM
you know how dog owners often look kind of like their pets?
If I had to pick a rifle for dp.....
it would have a wood stock....
and be bolt action.....
although I must admit if I had to guess, in my head it'd be a .30-06
I would not want to be a wabbit (or a whatever the mean aminals are in the woods up there) anywhere near the farmhouse.
Wayy wayyy too modern.......the easy answer would be an ole, rusty flintlock!
[Starts running]
[evil]
Quote from: rgramjet on June 27, 2010, 11:17:37 AM
I like it for the Wave feature more than I like the Tanto style blade which was the only style available at the time.
Just went on Emerson's website and now they have the CQC-7AW-SFS! Just bought the plain edge drop point knife with Wave. Ive been waiting for this one!
Wayy wayyy too modern.......the easy answer would be an ole, rusty flintlock!
[Starts running]
[evil]
There's one of those too...
but it belongs to T. 8)
I'll ask her if I can post a pic of it.
Quote from: rgramjet on June 26, 2010, 01:57:03 PM
Hb, just checked out page 2. I'm surprised I missed the Emerson!! +1 to a fellow edge connoisseur!
Stock photo, not my blade. I carry benchmade exclusively. My current duty knife :
Benchmade Infidel OTF
(http://www.bladehq.com/images/knives/Benchmade/benchmadeinfidel3300bk.jpg)
Quote from: Statler on June 26, 2010, 04:13:01 PM
I would not want to be a wabbit (or a whatever the mean aminals are in the woods up there) anywhere near the farmhouse.
Behind the rabbit?
No-it is the rabbit!
Quote from: hbliam on June 26, 2010, 01:43:50 PM
Check page 2. [thumbsup]
pictures off the internet don't count [thumbsup]
Look above your post from my kitchen counter [thumbsup]
Quote from: rgramjet on June 27, 2010, 11:17:37 AM
I like it for the Wave feature more than I like the Tanto style blade which was the only style available at the time.
Just went on Emerson's website and now they have the CQC-7AW-SFS! Just bought the plain edge drop point knife with Wave. Ive been waiting for this one!
Just got an email from Emerson........CQC7's are backordered 4-5 MONTHS!!! Sucky!
.
You have nice taste!! [thumbsup] I have two of the Belgium Browning take down .22 autos that I have had since I was a kid. I love those guns!! Ah, I have a few others too... it would take up too much cyber space to start the list!! [laugh] Something about fire sticks and scooters just seem to go together so well! Don't get me started on 1911s and M4s! ;D Good luck with adding to your collection.
I love the Kahr [thumbsup]
Tizzy turned me on to this brand and model (I have a CW9) when I was looking for a good carry gun.
I primarily use this as my conceal gun based on the summer months and wearing a t-shirt and shorts.
My other primary is a Glock 19, but is a bit larger and with my bodies small frame, jeans and a fleece/hoodie is needed to reduce the "bulge" on my hip.
Love the collection above [thumbsup]
Where did you score the 9mm MP5? Is that a silencer on the front or just a "replica" to make it look that way?
.
Quote from: vincheung on August 04, 2010, 07:50:14 PM
I carry the K9 all day long in a belt holster comfy and easily concealable. Great little piece, 7+1 9mm +p, lightweight (lighter than g26). The p226 hangs out in my locker and comes out for guest appearances on holidays.
The hk94/mp5 has a 16 in barrel (extends about 4-5 inches from where the common mp5 barrel is), I purchased an aftermarket cover for it in the photo, it comes with a hk "barrel shroud" with a foregrip but it makes it look kinda funny IMO, the foregrip is useless too since there is virtually no recoil. A kid could empty a 30 rd mag in seconds and keep a tight group. Came across a great deal one day on her and I jumped right on it.
Im looking for a G19 too, 2 great pieces you have man!
Thanks for the info on the MP5!
The Kahr I have is also a 7+1 like yours. Nice small, slim frame gun easily concealable.
I just got my Glock 19 as a "congrats on receiving my CCW" even though I had no reason not to be approved as I have no record except for a fat 98 in a 65 on I-70 on my S4r in 2008. Good news is those points disappear off my record June 14 2011, bad news is my government incentive check or whatever it was called paid for my attorney and mine fine.
Glock 19 is a good gun. I have bashed glocks for a while, but Kopjager helped identify my issue with shooting them and since, I am throwing nice groups.
Also iit is nice to have 15+1 verse the 7+1 in the Kahr.
I choose my carry piece depending on what area of town I go to.
I have several other handguns, but those are my primaries right now.
Going to start shopping for a nice holster for my USP-45 Compact this weekend
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Quote from: cyrus buelton on August 04, 2010, 07:21:16 PM
I love the Kahr [thumbsup]
Tizzy turned me on to this brand and model (I have a CW9) when I was looking for a good carry gun.
I primarily use this as my conceal gun based on the summer months and wearing a t-shirt and shorts.
I found this pic of you -- how do you conceal it?
(http://cityrag.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/short_shorts_1.jpg)
Duh, in the Bud can!! [laugh] And under the hat!! [thumbsup]
Quote from: ducatiz on August 05, 2010, 04:09:11 AM
I found this pic of you -- how do you conceal it?
(http://cityrag.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/short_shorts_1.jpg)
I can't view the photo at work; email it to me.
Stop hitting on me or I'll send Tiff after you with her .45
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
I just cleaned it last night, so it is a well oiled machine. Not sure why I bother cleaning Glocks as I have heard people shoot 15,000 rounds through them, never cleaned them, and not one misfire.
However, knowing my luck, I'd have the misfire when I needed to use it.
I like to keep all my guns clean, oiled, etc.
I like to keep all my guns clean, oiled, etc.
More good thinking! [thumbsup]
Here are a few more of my collection.
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4095/4865728037_bd666fc9a5_z.jpg)
My pistols: Dan Wesson Razorback 1911 in 10mm, HK USP 45 Compact, Sig P220 SAO, Sig P228, Sig P6
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4121/4866346258_d7cdfd58b8_z.jpg)
Remington 700 LTR
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4119/4865728813_895e494a91_z.jpg)
And the newest addition, A DSA Stg-58 FAL.
I have a couple other bolt guns that I didn't feel like pulling out of the safe; a Sako 75 Hunter in .270 and a Browning A-Bolt II Varmint BOSS in .223
love the LTR, somewhat similar to the rifle I used in IDF, although ours were home built. barrel was 55 cm, same receiver and Elbit glass.
and the DSA's FALs are very nice too. Good choices.
Saaaaaweeeet! I love my FALs!! DSA makes a really good version. All mine are Belgian FNs and one Argentine that is actually really nice and a damn good shooter. My prize is a Belgian sear cut lightweight G-series! [thumbsup] Yes, it's legal, the serial # is on the ATF list.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on August 06, 2010, 06:13:56 AM
However, knowing my luck, I'd have the misfire when I needed to use it.
Tap/Rack drills. Dry fire them daily.
Quote from: kopfjäger on August 06, 2010, 08:06:15 AM
Tap/Rack drills. Dry fire them daily.
That's a good idea.
Need to develop that muscle memory.
Quote from: fastwin on August 04, 2010, 05:02:40 PM
You have nice taste!! [thumbsup] I have two of the Belgium Browning take down .22 autos that I have had since I was a kid. I love those guns!! Ah, I have a few others too... it would take up too much cyber space to start the list!! [laugh] Something about fire sticks and scooters just seem to go together so well! Don't get me started on 1911s and M4s! ;D Good luck with adding to your collection.
The Belgium Browning was what I first learned to shoot. Still have it. Wish I had that slick case!
Agreed, sweet little .22 auto. Had to train my step son on the "load from the end of the stock" technique. Didn't take long for him to get in groove. Just different from 10/22 Ruger and Winchester model 94 reloads!
My bestfriend is in town for the weekend and he is a big elk hunter.
I didn't think he had been for a few years, so I tried to buy his 270 win mag CZ rifle from him, but apparently that was a no go.
Unbeknown to me, he was out in Wyoming this past fall and bagged a nice Elk sow.
take home was 350lbs of meat
and the dick didn't have the common decency to bring me any....... >:(
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
That must have been a big ass Elk.
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d45/2rocky/Hunting/elkmeatyield.jpg (http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d45/2rocky/Hunting/elkmeatyield.jpg)
Quote from: kopfjäger on August 06, 2010, 07:18:04 PM
That must have been a big ass Elk.
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d45/2rocky/Hunting/elkmeatyield.jpg (http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d45/2rocky/Hunting/elkmeatyield.jpg)
All I can base it off of is what he told me.........but I agree........that is a lot of meat and I thought about it when he told me, but typically don't question him as he is not a bullshitter.
He said he had 500lbs in his freezer until everyone came by and picked up their share, so maybe he kept that much?
I have no idea, but he said it was a big female.......but on your chart.......that would have been a huge animal.
I just wish he brought me some!! The round steak is phenomenal and of course I am sure the back strap is excellent (based on how good venison strap is), but there is no way he'd give that away!
back to guns.......
any advice Kopj on shooting my Keltec 32 or Beretta Tomcat 32?
I am good at <5ft but anything over that, I spray rounds all over the place.
But the more I think about it.......that gun is probably suited for very close use verse longer distance, so is it even worth practicing longer shooting with it?
Quote from: fastwin on August 06, 2010, 07:06:20 PM
Agreed, sweet little .22 auto. Had to train my step son on the "load from the end of the stock" technique. Didn't take long for him to get in groove. Just different from 10/22 Ruger and Winchester model 94 reloads!
My first two guns were tube mags loaded from the butt. I had a friend with a tube mag 22 that loaded from the tube ala Marlin 60 and he had a round go off in the tube, setting off all the other rounds. His hand was on the barrel near the end of the mag and it took off a little of his index finger and most of his other three fingers above the first knuckle. Bad kaboom day.......
Wow! I have never heard of that happening. Over the years I have wondered about tube magazines with bullet tips pressing up against primers under spring pressure. I have the Browning autos with their load from the rear/stock tubes as well as several calibers of Winchester 94s. Guess I'm lucky that hasn't happened on my .30-.30 or .45 Long Colt!! :P
Quote from: fastwin on August 07, 2010, 05:23:08 AM
Wow! I have never heard of that happening. Over the years I have wondered about tube magazines with bullet tips pressing up against primers under spring pressure. I have the Browning autos with their load from the rear/stock tubes as well as several calibers of Winchester 94s. Guess I'm lucky that hasn't happened on my .30-.30 or .45 Long Colt!! :P
I think it is VERY rare. I wasn't there, so I can't say how it happened - I did see the carnage both to his hand and to the gun. I seem to recall he may have dropped it while or shortly after loading it. We were crazy kids then, I was 15 and he was 17 or 18. I shot with him and his brother all the time and we were a little nuts. I'd be in Gitmo if I was a kid today......
I'd love to have a 45 colt lever gun to go with my Vaquero. A friend is getting rid of a bunch of guns to fund the purchase of a cabin in the country. He's got 357 and a 44 mag lever guns for sale right now. I don't want to add another caliber, or I'd own one. As it is, I'm picking up a Rem 700 SPS in 308 from him for practically nothing.
Nice to have the .308 700 Remington going to a good home!
I have a couple of Colt 3rd generation Single Action Armys, one each in .357 mag and .45 Long Colt. That's the only reason I got the Winchester 94s in those calibers. The .30-.30 is an old one inherited from my late Dad and the other is a good old fashioned .22lr with about a million rounds shot through it! [laugh] Surprised there are any lands and grooves left in the barrel!! One of my all time favorite firearms. [thumbsup] Cheap and fun, can't beat it. Too bad the old Winchester Connecticut plant got shut down and the model 94s became extinct. Sad. I'm sure that made Marlin happy!!
Quote from: cyrus buelton on August 07, 2010, 03:44:00 AM
any advice Kopj on shooting my Keltec 32 or Beretta Tomcat 32?
I am good at <5ft but anything over that, I spray rounds all over the place.
But the more I think about it.......that gun is probably suited for very close use verse longer distance, so is it even worth practicing longer shooting with it?
Those little guns aren't really accurate past 10ft. I mean you can still hit a man size tgt out past that, but you have to really slow down and get on that front site.
Shoot slow aimed fire drills from position 3. Single shots working to controlled pairs, body armor drills etc. (dry fire and work on trigger control, concentrate on staging the trigger from 3 to 4)
These aren't tgt guns, so if you can put rounds center mass, (10-15ft and in) that's all you really need
Good advice. Better put your reading glasses on to find those front sights though!! [laugh] Both pistols have itty bitty front sights as you well know. I loved my little Kel-Tec as a mini carry gun. Shot a friend's Ruger LCP and liked it so much I picked up one of those too. Like kopfjager said, I never figured them to be good for anything more than an arms length to 10 foot distance. In a case like that I damn sure wouldn't worry about a tight group, I'd take any hit I get as long as it stops the trouble!
Quote from: fastwin on August 07, 2010, 08:22:14 AM
Good advice. Better put your reading glasses on to find those front sights though!! [laugh] Both pistols have itty bitty front sights as you well know.
You can put a little orange or white paint on that front site post to help you pick it up.
Quote from: kopfjäger on August 07, 2010, 08:25:00 AM
You can put a little orange or white paint on that front site post to help you pick it up.
That is how mine is set up. Gun was purchased from a friend who I am assuming did the orange paint work on it.
Sorry for the IZ quality photos, it was hard to get a decent photo, but at least you can see the sight set up with the orange. Also, I put a hidden little note in one the photos [thumbsup]
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/jshoward11/P8080016.jpg)
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/jshoward11/P8080018.jpg)
Quote from: fastwin on August 06, 2010, 08:02:51 AM
Saaaaaweeeet! I love my FALs!! DSA makes a really good version.
I finally got to shoot it today and I think I'm really gonna like this one. I just need to do something with the trigger. Holy shit, that thing is heavy! That's really the only problem I have with it.
Quote from: kopfjäger on August 06, 2010, 07:18:04 PM
That must have been a big ass Elk.
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d45/2rocky/Hunting/elkmeatyield.jpg (http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d45/2rocky/Hunting/elkmeatyield.jpg)
we talked about it yesterday and said it was 300lbs take home.
He said it was a huge cow. Said the meat wasn't as good as the last one he bagged, but I imgine, just like fish, younger ones tend to be better eating.
Quote from: Dannyboy on August 08, 2010, 12:35:09 PM
I finally got to shoot it today and I think I'm really gonna like this one. I just need to do something with the trigger. Holy shit, that thing is heavy! That's really the only problem I have with it.
What don't you like about the trigger?
(never shot a FAL)
I am sure you can put a lighter trigger in if that is the issue.
What's the weight difference on the FAL and the M1 Scout?
Like most military based rifles it's not going to have a "target trigger" as stock but I bet you will notice it improving the more you shoot it and it wears in some. My FN-FALs don't exactly have match grade triggers (no more than most stock AR platform rifles do) but they ceratinly have improved over time. I have a Springfield M1A National Match and it's had a little massaging done by a gunsmith and it helped with the creep and it's got a nice/decent crisp break. Not exactly like a thin glass rod snap but still OK. And yes, it is better than the FALs but that doesn't keep me from loving mine!! [thumbsup] Maybe DSA has a custom shop (like Kimber, etc.) that could offer up a little trigger work. Don't know myself but it might be worth looking into. ;D
Quote from: fastwin on August 08, 2010, 01:10:29 PM
Like most military based rifles it's not going to have a "target trigger" as stock but I bet you will notice it improving the more you shoot it and it wears in some. My FN-FALs don't exactly have match grade triggers (no more than most stock AR platform rifles do) but they ceratinly have improved over time. I have a Springfield M1A National Match and it's had a little massaging done by a gunsmith and it helped with the creep and it's got a nice/decent crisp break. Not exactly like a thin glass rod snap but still OK. And yes, it is better than the FALs but that doesn't keep me from loving mine!! [thumbsup] Maybe DSA has a custom shop (like Kimber, etc.) that could offer up a little trigger work. Don't know myself but it might be worth looking into. ;D
Yeah, I wasn't expecting a match trigger but this thing has got to be close 12 lbs. I've never seen anything like it. I'm gonna put a few rounds through it first but I don't think it'll do more than smooth it out a bit. I'll get around to getting it lightened up eventually. For now, though, I'm just gonna shoot it.
Sounds like a plan! Yep, just shoot it! I have never fired a DSA but I have heard and read many good things about them. Years ago I read (don't remember the mag) a story about one of those torture tests gun mags like to run. It was on DSA FAL and man I was really impressed at the punishment it took and kept on functioning. Damn, it was like an AK!! Mud, water, sand, virtually no cleaning and it ate mag after mag after mag!! Wore the damn testers out! Gotta love that! Bet that trigger was nicely worn in!! [laugh]
Damn, can't believe it, found the DSA test article first try on google!!
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQY/is_8_48/ai_87564352/pg_5/?tag=content;col1 (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQY/is_8_48/ai_87564352/pg_5/?tag=content;col1)
Dannyboy, you'll like this read!! [thumbsup]
Oops, sorry, I clicked on the link when I was on page 5 of the article. No biggie, just back it up to page one! ;D
Don't remember if this has been mentioned in any of our gun threads or not, but since the FAL has been brought up, you should check out 'Ol Dirty (http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?s=f84cb023e052a351d014f920793b9692&threadid=68486&pagenumber=1).
Quote from: zarn02 on August 08, 2010, 02:40:01 PM
Don't remember if this has been mentioned in any of our gun threads or not, but since the FAL has been brought up, you should check out 'Ol Dirty (http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?s=f84cb023e052a351d014f920793b9692&threadid=68486&pagenumber=1).
i posted that a while back, i love that thread.
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?s=f84cb023e052a351d014f920793b9692&threadid=68486&pagenumber=1 (http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?s=f84cb023e052a351d014f920793b9692&threadid=68486&pagenumber=1)
Sweet. Just supports my feelings and backs up the gun mag article. Good tough guns... everyone should have one! [thumbsup]
That's crazy!
Quote from: fastwin on August 08, 2010, 02:15:41 PM
Damn, can't believe it, found the DSA test article first try on google!!
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQY/is_8_48/ai_87564352/pg_5/?tag=content;col1 (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQY/is_8_48/ai_87564352/pg_5/?tag=content;col1)
Dannyboy, you'll like this read!! [thumbsup]
Oops, sorry, I clicked on the link when I was on page 5 of the article. No biggie, just back it up to page one! ;D
Definitely impressive.
Knew you'd love reading that! Feel better now about your purchase? [clap]
Quote from: Dannyboy on August 08, 2010, 01:38:29 PM
Yeah, I wasn't expecting a match trigger but this thing has got to be close 12 lbs. I've never seen anything like it. I'm gonna put a few rounds through it first but I don't think it'll do more than smooth it out a bit. I'll get around to getting it lightened up eventually. For now, though, I'm just gonna shoot it.
I'd PM Tizzy.
He has several FALS
Quote from: fastwin on August 08, 2010, 06:41:37 PM
Knew you'd love reading that! Feel better now about your purchase? [clap]
I felt good about it from the beginning. I've wanted a FAL for years but was in Jersey until 2008. Now that I'm making good money outside of the PRNJ, I could finally get one. I've been looking at DSA's for a while and was pretty much set on one, I just didn't know which one it would be. And, honestly, I didn't really even care. Hell, I just happened to see this one at the bottom of the wall behind the counter in the shop. I didn't even realize it was a DSA until I looked close.
Austria was one of the most recent users of the FAL, their infantry weapon was the STG-58. When they stopped using it, and sold off the surplus, DSA bought almost everything. They basically have a huge warehouse full of de-milled STG58s to draw parts from. They make their own receivers and imported the barrels before the barrel ban so they are the cheapest making "new" guns. I have never seen a bad STG58 from them.
^^ I wonder if all 3 of the troops they have in OEF are carrying them?
Quote from: fastwin on August 08, 2010, 05:20:02 PM
Sweet. Just supports my feelings and backs up the gun mag article. Good tough guns... everyone should have one! [thumbsup]
I am looking into a box mag semi-auto .308
I was leaning towards a Springfield M1, but is the FAL a better gun?
No. Just different. I luckily have both and both are great. Never had any chronic problems with either. That DSA torture test article is pretty damn impressive! Never read about a semi auto M1A going through anything like that. I'm sure there are some great stories out there about battle tested M14s but I personally don't know of any.
I'd probably just see what the going price is on which ever version of both you are interested in. I'm thinking you can't go wrong. I really don't know which ones I'd get rid of if I had to keep one. I suppose that's a good endorsement of both. [thumbsup] By the way, I assume you meant M1A not M1 Garand?
Thanks for the advice [thumbsup]
Yeah, I meant the M1A, no the M1 chambered in 30-06.
However.......my brother and I are about to each get one. I can't think of the organization, but they sell refurbished WWII ones. You just have to pay the 20$ fee to join the club, have some sort of "safety" form signed by a licensed or whatever they are trainer (I pass because I have my CCW and my brother will pass because he will be a Federal Law Enforcement Special Agent, so he just has to show his badge)
Prices range from 400-1300 based on condition.
Are you talking about CMP? Civilian Marksmenship Program? It's a gov't funded organization that rotates older military rifles (like M1 Garands) that have been reburbished into civilian hands to be used in Camp Perry type competitions. I didn't know that they offered semi auto M14s. I thought it was just .30-06 caliber NM Garands. Not sure of the price on the Garands but they always have ads in the NRA American Rifleman magazine.
Quote from: fastwin on August 09, 2010, 06:24:35 PM
Are you talking about CMP? Civilian Marksmenship Program? It's a gov't funded organization that rotates older military rifles (like M1 Garands) that have been reburbished into civilian hands to be used in Camp Perry type competitions. I didn't know that they offered semi auto M14s. I thought it was just .30-06 caliber NM Garands. Not sure of the price on the Garands but they always have ads in the NRA American Rifleman magazine.
They are here in town. I can stop in and find out.
Quote from: fastwin on August 09, 2010, 06:24:35 PM
Are you talking about CMP? Civilian Marksmenship Program? It's a gov't funded organization that rotates older military rifles (like M1 Garands) that have been reburbished into civilian hands to be used in Camp Perry type competitions. I didn't know that they offered semi auto M14s. I thought it was just .30-06 caliber NM Garands. Not sure of the price on the Garands but they always have ads in the NRA American Rifleman magazine.
That's it! That is the correct organization.
No, they only sell the M1 Garand chambered in 30-06, but maybe did they change it? Looks like Kopjager is going to do the legwork on that for us [thumbsup]
I believe the M14's are select fire verse a springfield M1A..........kopjager corrected me on that, didn't you?
That gun would be a mothermake the beast with two backser to shoot full auto unless you had a bipod.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on August 09, 2010, 07:30:36 PM
I believe the M14's are select fire verse a springfield M1A..........kopjager corrected me on that, didn't you?
It wasn't me, but that's correct.
Quote from: kopfjäger on August 09, 2010, 08:07:15 PM
It wasn't me, but that's correct.
I thought we did via PM?
who knows.
I could back through the thread and look where I was corrected, but don't care all that much.
the M14 is a tad heavier, but that doesn't affect use at all.
in their original setups, the FAL has a vertical pistol grip and the M14 has a traditional style rifle grip. There are aftermarket and issue stocks for the M14 that have a PG like the FAL. YMMV.
The M14 design is much older (some would argue the FAL's is just as old, based on the FN49) but I think it could be argued the weaknesses in the M14's design (external op rod, bolt impacts receiver) mean it is an entirely older design. The FAL's recoil spring is behind the bolt whereas the M14's is on the Op rod and indirectly acts on the bolt. This prevents the FAL bolt from impacting with full force. Moreover, one can put a recoil buffer in the FAL which protects the bolt and receiver (some would argue its unecessary on the FAL) such a buffer is not possible on the M14 except on the op rod (which can break, so not a bad idea imho) but how effective they are is unknown to me.
I like the M14 a lot, but shooting the FAL is a pleasure as well.
Quote from: ducatiz on August 10, 2010, 04:24:53 AM
the M14 is a tad heavier, but that doesn't affect use at all.
in their original setups, the FAL has a vertical pistol grip and the M14 has a traditional style rifle grip. There are aftermarket and issue stocks for the M14 that have a PG like the FAL. YMMV.
The M14 design is much older (some would argue the FAL's is just as old, based on the FN49) but I think it could be argued the weaknesses in the M14's design (external op rod, bolt impacts receiver) mean it is an entirely older design. The FAL's recoil spring is behind the bolt whereas the M14's is on the Op rod and indirectly acts on the bolt. This prevents the FAL bolt from impacting with full force. Moreover, one can put a recoil buffer in the FAL which protects the bolt and receiver (some would argue its unecessary on the FAL) such a buffer is not possible on the M14 except on the op rod (which can break, so not a bad idea imho) but how effective they are is unknown to me.
I like the M14 a lot, but shooting the FAL is a pleasure as well.
Yep, like I said both great guns. Can't go wrong with either one. They are just different animals that happen to do the same thing. ;D
I always assumed/thought that the M14 just sort of morphed from the M1 Garand design and became the "new" BAR for the US military. Their design and function are so similar.
I'm also lucky enough to own one of the folding para trooper style stocks for the M1As that features a pistol grip style stock. I have it on a 18" barreled M1A and no, it's not much fun to shoot so it's kinda a gun safe queen. I'd love to read a torture test comparo between the M1A and FAL. That would be interesting. I'm still impressed with the DSA gun report!
Quote from: DRKWNG on June 21, 2010, 05:52:40 PM
Nosir. It is in fact a scout model, which can be id'd by the shorter barrel and unique muzzle brake/compensator. You can also tell from the rail mount on the upper fore-end.
Also, M14s are only mil-spec and are select fire capable, so in fact different from an M1A.
cyrus/Judd,
Maybe this is the post you were thinking of?
Quote from: fastwin on August 10, 2010, 06:05:51 AM
Yep, like I said both great guns. Can't go wrong with either one. They are just different animals that happen to do the same thing. ;D
I always assumed/thought that the M14 just sort of morphed from the M1 Garand design and became the "new" BAR for the US military. Their design and function are so similar.
yup. the M14 is really just an updated, scaled down version of the M1. The Italians liked the M1's beefy receiver though and made the BM59 which is a friggin' awesome gun. Box mag 7.62.
QuoteI'm also lucky enough to own one of the folding para trooper style stocks for the M1As that features a pistol grip style stock. I have it on a 18" barreled M1A and no, it's not much fun to shoot so it's kinda a gun safe queen. I'd love to read a torture test comparo between the M1A and FAL. That would be interesting. I'm still impressed with the DSA gun report!
i have the folding stock, they were one of Choate's early contracts. I took it off, it was annoying, mine is a late Springfield Armory "bush" model with a short barrel.
Quote from: vincheung on August 11, 2010, 07:50:53 AM
sorry to break from the M1 and M14 convo. Some Kahr K9 pics from the NY Times back in 08,
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4134/4882771102_9b07645d05_z.jpg)
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4077/4882771132_4bc636be9b_z.jpg)
nypd approved the K9 for duty backup and concealed purposes
what story is that from?
Quote from: fastwin on August 11, 2010, 07:02:41 AM
cyrus/Judd,
Maybe this is the post you were thinking of?
That's it.
I knew it was someone that is serving in our Military that corrected me [thumbsup]
Quote from: ducatiz on August 11, 2010, 07:11:32 AM
yup. the M14 is really just an updated, scaled down version of the M1. The Italians liked the M1's beefy receiver though and made the BM59 which is a friggin' awesome gun. Box mag 7.62.
i have the folding stock, they were one of Choate's early contracts. I took it off, it was annoying, mine is a late Springfield Armory "bush" model with a short barrel.
The BM59s are cool guns. Never fired one and I haven't seen one in a long time.
I meant 16" barrel bush model like yours... typo'd when I wrote 18". [bang] Didn't know Choate made those and your'e right they aren't "comfy" to shoot. Looks cool but kinda sucky to actually shoot. This is what mine looks like:
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.specwargear.com/images/weapon-m14%2520stock%25201.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php%3F15537-Exotic-M14&h=280&w=700&sz=24&tbnid=nXC_bwWe6azPLM:&tbnh=56&tbnw=140&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dm1a%2Bfolding%2Bstocks&hl=en&usg=__7A5dWdNjIkPBVwjM-wjGtF5utFs=&sa=X&ei=yuxiTJywEcGclgeax6S2Dw&sqi=2&ved=0CDYQ9QEwBg (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.specwargear.com/images/weapon-m14%2520stock%25201.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php%3F15537-Exotic-M14&h=280&w=700&sz=24&tbnid=nXC_bwWe6azPLM:&tbnh=56&tbnw=140&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dm1a%2Bfolding%2Bstocks&hl=en&usg=__7A5dWdNjIkPBVwjM-wjGtF5utFs=&sa=X&ei=yuxiTJywEcGclgeax6S2Dw&sqi=2&ved=0CDYQ9QEwBg)
...hope the link works.
That thing looks like it only weighs a couple more lbs than my folding stocked m1 carbine.........with 4x the recoil!
Here is a shot with "my" Fal BM59 (Beretta Modification 1959) paratrooper version.
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v707/224/112/600300209/n600300209_1970259_5702.jpg)
Then replaced by the Beretta SCP 70/90 in 5.56
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v74/224/112/600300209/n600300209_54912_9498.jpg)
Quote from: fastwin on August 11, 2010, 09:40:02 AM
The BM59s are cool guns. Never fired one and I haven't seen one in a long time.
I meant 16" barrel bush model like yours... typo'd when I wrote 18". [bang] Didn't know Choate made those and your'e right they aren't "comfy" to shoot. Looks cool but kinda sucky to actually shoot. This is what mine looks like:
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.specwargear.com/images/weapon-m14%2520stock%25201.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php%3F15537-Exotic-M14&h=280&w=700&sz=24&tbnid=nXC_bwWe6azPLM:&tbnh=56&tbnw=140&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dm1a%2Bfolding%2Bstocks&hl=en&usg=__7A5dWdNjIkPBVwjM-wjGtF5utFs=&sa=X&ei=yuxiTJywEcGclgeax6S2Dw&sqi=2&ved=0CDYQ9QEwBg (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.specwargear.com/images/weapon-m14%2520stock%25201.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php%3F15537-Exotic-M14&h=280&w=700&sz=24&tbnid=nXC_bwWe6azPLM:&tbnh=56&tbnw=140&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dm1a%2Bfolding%2Bstocks&hl=en&usg=__7A5dWdNjIkPBVwjM-wjGtF5utFs=&sa=X&ei=yuxiTJywEcGclgeax6S2Dw&sqi=2&ved=0CDYQ9QEwBg)
...hope the link works.
That is not mine, mine is a plastic/nylon type like Choate's other stocks. They sell one now, but it looks nothing like the one I have.
Quote from: Grifo on August 11, 2010, 11:14:09 AM
Then replaced by the Beretta SCP 70/90 in 5.56
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v74/224/112/600300209/n600300209_54912_9498.jpg)
I have a parts kit for an AR70 and receiver ready to go, just need a long weekend to TIG it all together.
Quote from: Grifo on August 11, 2010, 11:14:09 AM
Here is a shot with "my" Fal BM59 (Beretta Modification 1959) paratrooper version.
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v707/224/112/600300209/n600300209_1970259_5702.jpg)
Then replaced by the Beretta SCP 70/90 in 5.56
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v74/224/112/600300209/n600300209_54912_9498.jpg)
are those from when you were deployed in Somalia in 93 with the UN?
post the pic of you smoking a cigarette with your gun; it is funny as hell.
you look like a little kid.
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
I need this, I want this, I deserve this, in fact I think I am entitled to have this
http://www.giraudtool.com/prod02.htm (http://www.giraudtool.com/prod02.htm)
Quote from: RAT900 on August 11, 2010, 06:16:55 PM
I need this, I want this, I deserve this, in fact I think I am entitled to have this
http://www.giraudtool.com/prod02.htm (http://www.giraudtool.com/prod02.htm)
Does it reload too or just fix the casing?
price isn't too bad
no it just trims the case to correct length and chamfers the mouth for seating the head
Case trimming is the most awful and time consuming aspect of reloading
and I run through a few thousand rounds a year of 308, .223 and 30-06 and generally will cycle my brass 4-5 times in auto-loading rifles
that is a nice tool
what do you reload with? tell me a dillon
Quote from: ducatiz on August 11, 2010, 06:38:26 PM
that is a nice tool
what do you reload with? tell me a dillon
no I am an absolute Luddite and still use a single stage RCBS.
I load for accuracy so I prep and sort cases, and hand-weigh each charge on the scale...
I throw a short charge and trickle feed it up to full weight into the scale pan
time consuming enough
but it eliminates ammo consistency as one of the variables in the accuracy equation
Quote from: RAT900 on August 11, 2010, 06:44:14 PM
no I am an absolute Luddite and still use a single stage RCBS.
I load for accuracy so I prep and sort cases, and hand-weigh each charge on the scale...
I throw a short charge and trickle feed it up to full weight into the scale pan
time consuming enough
but it eliminates ammo consistency as one of the variables in the accuracy equation
luddite? You're a make the beast with two backsing nut. :o hand weigh each charge? do you file the projectiles down to weigh the same too??
that being said, there is something about the super precision stuff that i just can't get into but appreciate. sort of like looking at supermodels. i'd make the beast with two backs it, but i wouldn't pursue it.
Well I use mostly Sierra Match King heads and will weight-sort them for some batches when I find a good load for a given tube
the other thing I like about the Giraud is that you can trim the meplats on the hollow points
yeah its a hobby that allows my obsessive-compulsive nature to take over
now if you want a real laugh...I shoot mostly rack grade USGI rifles that I will tweak and tune to get the best possible accuracy out of
If a barrel has a good throat, clean muzzle crown and the bore isn't coke-bottled I will eventually find the perfect round for it
It is kind of a hoot to show up at the line with a beater-looking Garand and out-shoot the scoped Fudd rifles on either side of my bench
suppose I should step in here as Spencer Pratt...er....Macon Sheriff Buelton spends the majority of his time and post my gun.
As I am sure he said, I learned to shoot from Dave Sevigny. For what it's worth, I have a much better shot than Jud hehe.
I used own a Para-Ordinance single stack 1911 and a USP Socom. I am a .45 fan. I won't own anything else. Therefore, for my 28th birthday, my interesting husban bought me this:
Glock Model 21 with trijicon night sights and a hogue grip. No what I envisioned as a present, but I love guns, was without one, so it fit nicely.
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/jshoward11/12Glock1.jpg)
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/jshoward11/13Glock2.jpg)
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/jshoward11/14Glock3.jpg)
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/jshoward11/15Glock4.jpg)
I am taking my CCW at the end of the month [thumbsup]
2 ;D
yes, i'm stalking you
Quote from: Raux on August 11, 2010, 10:02:32 PM
2 ;D
yes, i'm stalking you
hey now, she just went to bed.
Don't be stalking her!!!!
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
I found a good one [thumbsup]
well let's see.
she dropped everything moved to your state, throws barbs in each post and now has a gun AND a fast car.
are you suicidal ;)
Quote from: Raux on August 11, 2010, 10:09:05 PM
well let's see.
she dropped everything moved to your state, throws barbs in each post and now has a gun AND a fast car.
are you suicidal ;)
Nah, not at all.
That is our personalities; we make fun of each other.
We actually have a dry erase board in our kitchen that arguments on topics get taken to.
It is known as "do you want to take it to the board?"
basically when one thinks they are right and other thinks they are wrong, there is a mutual agreement to take it to the board........winner gets a hash mark.
I am down by one right now >:(
cool idea
but how do you know who wins? the one with the bigger gun?
in my house, my wife... no WAY i would give her lethal firepower.
our board would be- me always winning -followed by my death notice on here.
Quote from: Raux on August 11, 2010, 10:13:58 PM
cool idea
but how do you know who wins? the one with the bigger gun?
in my house, my wife... no WAY i would give her lethal firepower.
our board would be- me always winning -followed by my death notice on here.
You win as the topics are all intellectual and can be proven by research.
My wife and I never argue or fight.
A gun would never be an issue.
ahhh no kids yet huh
it'll change trust me ;)
he said he got clipped
no little juds
Quote from: Mother on August 11, 2010, 10:29:48 PM
he said he got clipped
no little juds
brilliant choice! love mine, but my last intellectual conversation happened before they came along.
Quote from: Mother on August 11, 2010, 10:29:48 PM
he said he got clipped
no little juds
that is correct.
got clipped in December
Kids are not for us. If we change our minds, we will adopt.
But I thought "why" was the foundation of an intellectual convo?
Quote from: Mother on August 11, 2010, 10:34:10 PM
But I thought "why" was the foundation of an intellectual convo?
depends on the conversation.
We are in the wrong thread for this.
meet you in the TOSAT
Rog pointed out to me the hogue is upside down on the wifey's glock.
when I bought it, the guy at the gun shop as a courtesy put it on while someone else was running my background check (mine takes a while for some reason.....I always have to provide my SSN.........I guess oddly someone has the same name as me and has a record; I have no record other than a speeding ticket)
I never really noticed and neither did Tiff.
I am not sure I am going to switch it back, just need to see how Tiff feels about it.
It is actually somewhat nice flipped upside down..........
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b398/00h22/glock/glock22.jpg)
you aren't the only one
I don't think it matters
so you get two fingers above the first grip nub?
hmm. mine is done correctly and i couldn't imagine that setup at all. the nubs are directional.
Quote from: Mother on August 12, 2010, 06:06:36 AM
I don't think it matters
It will slightly change your grip. Try it the other way and see how it feels. I have never used a Hogue
grip on my Glocks, nor do any of my guy's.
I would shoot it with and without (a lot). Then make the call.
Quote from: kopfjäger on August 12, 2010, 06:29:58 AM
It will slightly change your grip. Try it the other way and see how it feels. I have never used a Hogue
grip on my Glocks, nor do any of my guy's.
I would shoot it with and without (a lot). Then make the call.
I like the Hogue on target guns but not on a carry piece. It makes shooting much easier, but such contemplative shooting doesn't happen in real life.
We used friction tape on rifles in the field, but weren't trying to pull an M16 out of our waistbands to use it against OJ Simpson.
that's just a random google search
I shoot a 1st gen Sigma with a shot out barrel
I really don't have to worry about grip angles
or hitting anything for that matter
Quote from: ducatiz on August 12, 2010, 06:51:08 AM
I like the Hogue on target guns but not on a carry piece. It makes shooting much easier, but such contemplative shooting doesn't happen in real life.
That's why we don't use them. ;) I ground off the finger grooves on my newer frames. I don't like the grip telling me
where my fingers should go. I much prefer my older model 17 frames.
Quote from: kopfjäger on August 12, 2010, 06:56:20 AM
That's why we don't use them. ;) I ground off the finger grooves on my newer frames. I don't like the grip telling me
where my fingers should go. I much prefer my older model 17 frames.
friction tape?
we had this weird stuff that was like sandpaper but also gummy. it stuck to your hands a little. i forgot the name -- i want to say it was k'lay "×›×לעי"
Quote from: ducatiz on August 12, 2010, 07:00:02 AM
friction tape?
we had this weird stuff that was like sandpaper but also gummy. it stuck to your hands a little. i forgot the name -- i want to say it was k'lay "×›×לעי"
Some guys will use skateboard tape. Someone makes some that is the shape of the sides of the grip. I just don't like shit on my guns.
lol, we didn't have the resources to be so finicky.. it did make a different for me, sweat was everywhere and the stock just got slippery. plus we were constantly drinking and dumping water to stay cool and cheek weld was not a luxury item.
I also like the first gen/older Glocks w/out the finger grooves. I ended up with a new style G-19 with finger grooves and rail in a trade deal but I still like all my older groove-less Glocks better. Just personal preference. ;D
Jessie Abbatte stage 3 Handgun Nationals (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85SPto1SvK0#normal)
Now that I think about it.............I think I have put all my hogue grips on wrong too because I modeled them all after the Glock 21 because I liked the way it felt and I figured the guy at the gunshop would put it on correctly. Also when you buy them, don't they come in the package like how it is mounted on the Glock Tiff posted?
Now I feel like a jackmake the beast with two backs.
So maybe the upside down method works for me?
I think I'll take the advice above and remove one, flip it around and then see how it feels. I will take two guns to the range, one upside down, one right side up and then compare.
I am not gonna lie, though...........it is nice upside down.
Any tips for becoming a better shot with a 1911?
It's an old well used gun, so I think some of the accuracy bleeds off because of that.
The rest of the issue is me, Im sure.
It's nicer right side up. Pachmyer is kind enough to mold the logo onto the rubber band so you know what's what.
Quote from: Monsterlover on August 12, 2010, 01:03:30 PM
Any tips for becoming a better shot with a 1911?
It's an old well used gun, so I think some of the accuracy bleeds off because of that.
The rest of the issue is me, Im sure.
make sure the pistol is mechanically good. check throat and chamber erosion, check the linkage fit, and barrel lockup. barrel should not move much when in battery.
other than that, dry fire it a lot (get some duds or dry fire rounds)
also, pick up a ruger 22/45 to fire with 22 and get a better feel for a 1911's grip.
not sure what else. have you video'd yourself firing? try it.
I make the beast with two backsing love 1911s and Browning Hi Powers!!!! I won't even begin to suggest improvements to your shooting. I'll leave that to others. I was raised on them, my ideas probably just apply to me. Again, I'll leave decent advice to the pros. You want tact shotgun tips? Great, I can do that. But single action pistol shit is my home base but I'd prefer not to sound like a dick and tell you "how it's done". I also am not telling you advice from others is coming from a "dick"!! ;D Lots of good info from this group!!
You know, I really like the the Ruger .22 suggestion. Damn good idea. [thumbsup] Heck, if you can find a buddy with a 9mm Hi Power that would be a nice step up from the .22 Ruger. .22 to 9mm to .45acp. They all work the same. Good learning curve!! ;D Good luck with it all. Millions of 1911 lovers can't be wrong!! [laugh]
Quote from: rgramjet on August 12, 2010, 01:26:13 PM
It's nicer right side up. Pachmyer is kind enough to mold the logo onto the rubber band so you know what's what.
I thought I was installing them correctly, but again, my ignorance was based off the gun shop putting it on Tiff's gun as she like's a "fatter" grip as she has larger hands (she is 5' 10").
I'll have to check out my other pieces to see if I put them on right.
I feel like a make the beast with two backsing idiot for my error in installation, but then again, I am dumb a lot of the times.
Quote from: ducatiz on August 12, 2010, 02:25:13 PM
make sure the pistol is mechanically good. check throat and chamber erosion, check the linkage fit, and barrel lockup. barrel should not move much when in battery.
other than that, dry fire it a lot (get some duds or dry fire rounds)
also, pick up a ruger 22/45 to fire with 22 and get a better feel for a 1911's grip.
not sure what else. have you video'd yourself firing? try it.
great ideas!
I think the gun is ok but I'll look it over.
I think the other thing that would help me is more trigger time. I'm still new at this.
I shoot home loads if it matters.
Quote from: Monsterlover on August 12, 2010, 05:28:58 PM
great ideas!
I think the gun is ok but I'll look it over.
I think the other thing that would help me is more trigger time. I'm still new at this.
I shoot home loads if it matters.
I'd take it to a gunsmith if it is an older model.
but that is just my $0,02 if it is worth anything
Made with pride in '43 [thumbsup]
Quote from: Monsterlover on August 12, 2010, 05:45:13 PM
Made with pride in '43 [thumbsup]
who is the maker?
I have a Remington Rand that is a 1943 model as well, probably half a million made during that time by RR.
tell me you have an AFPG model
What's afpg?
Mine is an argentine made sistema .45acp
Quote from: Monsterlover on August 12, 2010, 05:57:44 PM
What's afpg?
Mine is an argentine made sistema .45acp
Ahhh
It's not a 1911 then, it's a Sistema that is based on the 1911.
My pop was USAAC during WW2 and it would have been cool to find an air force pistol. AFPG was the gunsmith marking for that version.
Bunch of companies made 1911s during ww2 -- Singer, USS, Remington-Rand, UMC, and so on.
I've got a really sweet Colt WWII 1911 that's stamped US property and in the #228812X serial # range. It was a Navy 1911. I forget all the other history but I am damn proud to own it! Totally stock with the original plastic grips. It's a keeper!! I love those guns!!!!! [thumbsup]
Due to my misunderstanding of installation of the grip........I flipped mine around on the USP-45.
I actually prefer the "incorrect" installation verse the correct one.
I guess it is personal preference.
However, I am going to take the advice and practice some tactical drills from my conceal holster with the grips installed the proper way to see if I like it better or worse.
I know Tizzy doesn't like the "feel" of a hogue on a concealed gun as it is a bit "sticky" when you draw, but every night, I practice for about 20mins in front of a mirror drawing and acquiring a target, which happens to be myself (gun is 100% unloaded and magazine is downstairs and not even remotely close to the firearm due to safety reasons. Same goes for magazine drops and reloads from my holster as I carry 2 Kahr mags when I chose to carry that and only one when I carry the Glock 19 due to the difference in capacity. If she can't get done in 22 rnds or 31rnds, you got major issues)
Quote from: ducatiz on August 12, 2010, 06:01:26 PM
Ahhh
It's not a 1911 then, it's a Sistema that is based on the 1911.
My pop was USAAC during WW2 and it would have been cool to find an air force pistol. AFPG was the gunsmith marking for that version.
Bunch of companies made 1911s during ww2 -- Singer, USS, Remington-Rand, UMC, and so on.
well, it is and it isn't. It was made by the Argentine military using dies, fixtures and methods direct from Colt, so it's really not based on the 1911. All the books I've read say they should be considered Colt 1911's and are valued equally.
Now the Ballister-Molina .45acp is based on the 1911, sharing the mags, barrel and (I think maybe) the slide.
Symantics...
man i need to start my collection.. i haven't shot anything in about 10 years.. but i was always top of the class.. my boy goes to a range i think up state or in PA, i'll be attending next session which i hope is soon.. this thread has tickled the gun bug again.. now only to get a license in ny (ugh).. rat, any idea how much they go for?
one of my ex fiance's worked for a gun shop in cali.. put me on to the HK's i think they are, with a lot of safety features on them.. liked the way it looked.. ahh soon..
Quote from: cyrus buelton on August 12, 2010, 06:39:45 PM
gun is 100% unloaded and magazine is downstairs and not even remotely close to the firearm due to safety reasons.
Is there any other way? Can they be, say 32% unloaded? :D
When you dry fire there is nothing wrong with having mags around. Just download them in the other room. You can't practice Tap-Rack, Reduced capacity, Emergency/Combat reloads without mags.
Quote from: kopfjäger on August 12, 2010, 07:43:17 PM
Is there any other way? Can they be, say 32% unloaded? :D
When you dry fire there is nothing wrong with having mags around. Just download them in the other room. You can't practice Tap-Rack, Reduced capacity, Emergency/Combat reloads without mags.
bwaaaaaa
I unload two mags and keep one loaded downstairs during my practice.
so yeah, you are right.
32% unloaded would be a bad idea for my bathroom mirror on a dry fire
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Quote from: cyrus buelton on August 12, 2010, 07:50:41 PM
bwaaaaaa
I unload two mags and keep one loaded downstairs during my practice.
so yeah, you are right.
32% unloaded would be a bad idea for my bathroom mirror on a dry fire
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
When I was training the Air Marshals, I used to preach dry fire training. After about 6 months the "powers that are" came to me and told me not to teach that anymore, because one of the Fams shot a whole through his hotel room wall.
I told them that he wasn't dry firing then, hence the term "dry fire." :D :D
Quote from: kopfjäger on August 12, 2010, 08:07:02 PM
When I was training the Air Marshals, I used to preach dry fire training. After about 6 months the "powers that are" came to me and told me not to teach that anymore, because one of the Fams shot a whole through his hotel room wall.
I told them that he wasn't dry firing then, hence the term "dry fire." :D :D
I've heard from a friend that has been in the Secret Service for many years and has upgraded to a level which I will not disclose publicly that air marshals are a bunch of under trained cowboys.
I can't confirm or deny that, just what he has said of them through his personal experience.
Acquired last night. Remington 700 SPS in 308. Got a screaming deal on a new-in-box rifle. It will be the base for a 1000 yard rifle. I know the SPS is the bottom of the Remington 700 line, but some have the same accuracy potential as the 5r or PSS with a bedded stock and a lighter trigger. I am totally stoked. I've got a guy lined up to teach me how to shoot out past 200yards and help me build this thing. I hope to be shooting 1000yd matches at Quantico in the next year or so.
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs251.snc4/39882_1524076632284_1545666740_1292352_7423808_n.jpg)
Pop that blister
Quote from: kopfjäger on August 13, 2010, 05:01:30 AM
Pop that blister
Ahhhhh come on......don't hate cause I got nice feet. Besides, what are you doing looking so closely at my feet?
Quote from: kopfjäger on August 12, 2010, 08:07:02 PM
When I was training the Air Marshals, I used to preach dry fire training. After about 6 months the "powers that are" came to me and told me not to teach that anymore, because one of the Fams shot a whole through his hotel room wall.
I told them that he wasn't dry firing then, hence the term "dry fire." :D :D
When I went to classes at Thunder Ranch Clint Smith always told us stories of students going back to their motel rooms in Kerrville at night and accidentally shooting the TVs in their room. Probably using the TV as a simulator and badly practicing dry fire drills. He said he knew the folks that ran the motel and if he heard about that happening you would be excused from the remainder of his course. How'd you like to be in the next room when that happens?? [bang]
Quote from: kopfjäger on August 13, 2010, 05:01:30 AM
Pop that blister
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Nice piece...Nice buy...
You can swap the stock and bed it and it will be as good as the PSS. Bedding a stock isn't that crazy hard and there are plenty of options around.
I have a little 788 in .308 that I got a hand made stock for, bedded it properly, then had the bolt handle properly welded and trigger job. I want to put a heavy barrel on it, but just have too many projects in the way. I have no problem hitting tennis balls at 300 yds with it, which is about what you'd expect from this rifle. It's not a precision gun, but I am happy with it. Glass is a Leupold 4x12-40 with modified factory rings.
What scope do you have on the 788?
I am thinking about selling my 870 shotgun.
Not sure I have a real need for it anymore.
I have my Benelli Supernova for sport shooting, deer hunting, bird hunting, etc.
I have my Saiga 12 for home-defense, so not sure what the need for my 870 is.
I just don't want to regret selling it! It's all geeked out too. decisions, decisions.
I would sell the Saiga and keep the 870.
Or convert the Saiga to an SBS and paint the 870 pink to match your Hello Kitty collection.
Quote from: ducatiz on August 21, 2010, 10:40:30 AM
Or convert the Saiga to an SBS and paint the 870 pink to match your Hello Kitty collection.
[laugh]
Quote from: ducatiz on August 21, 2010, 10:40:30 AM
I would sell the Saiga and keep the 870.
Or convert the Saiga to an SBS and paint the 870 pink to match your Hello Kitty collection.
I like the Saiga better for home defense.
what is an SBS?
very cute on the 870 joke.
send me some spray paint
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Quote from: ducatiz on August 21, 2010, 10:40:30 AM
I would sell the Saiga and keep the 870.
Or convert the Saiga to an SBS and paint the 870 pink to match your Hello Kitty collection.
[laugh] X 2!!!
I'm a huge 870 fan. It's classic, they always run if you do your part and they are bullet proof... pun intended. Have no mileage on the Saigas but have decades on the 870s. My 2 cents. :)
Quote from: cyrus buelton on August 21, 2010, 11:02:03 AM
what is an SBS?
Short barrel shotgun.
"...a barrel length less than 18 inches and an overall length less than 26 inches..."
Quote from: zarn02 on August 21, 2010, 12:46:59 PM
Short barrel shotgun.
"...a barrel length less than 18 inches and an overall length less than 26 inches..."
I need to measure the sucker out.
I have a M4 style stock on it, so I wonder what the overall length of it is.
I know the 870 is a classic, but I'd rather sell that to put the money towards a Remington 1100 for sport shooting. I really enjoyed it when I went with my brothers over the 4th, but think a semi-auto would be a better option.
My saiga is fine enough for home defense.
11 3" 00 buck shells is probably enough to get shit done; if that doesn't there are one of two problems:
1. I can't shoot for shit
2. I picked up the wrong gun
1100 Rems are really nice guns. I got one from my Dad on my 21st B-Day. Still have it 35 years later. [thumbsup]
Quote from: fastwin on August 21, 2010, 06:39:08 PM
1100 Rems are really nice guns. I got one from my Dad on my 21st B-Day. Still have it 35 years later. [thumbsup]
I'd rather sell my 870 locally to a friend and put that cash towards a 1100
My saiga is fine for home defense. I don't need anymore than that.
Headed to southern kentucky tomorrow.
That warrants carrying my CW9 Kahr on me and my Glock 19 with 3 extra mags in the glove box ;D
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e297/pennyrobber/misc/bad69059.jpg)
Springfield 40 cal and recently acquired FNH five-seven.
[thumbsup]
.
Nice purchase pennyrobber, the FiveseveN is a fun gun to shoot. The commercialy available rounds are dialed back quite a bit, check out www.eliteammunition.net (//http://) for some hotter reloads.
Quote from: vincheung on August 21, 2010, 07:18:54 PM
And if you leave that G19 in the glove box make sure you lock it up in there.
Only time it would stay in the glove box is if we stop at a rest stop, get something to eat, etc. Always locked too. Not that the lock would do shit, but unfortunately, there are restrictions where sometimes you have to leave your gun(s) behind and that is the most "secure" spot in the passenger cabin (obviously if I am at a place for an extended time, it will be put in the trunk, stashed away.
I'd like to explore options of somehow to mount a little safe in my lexus to put my gun in while going in to certain locations where I am not allowed to carry.
I do my best at all times to secure my firearms with the best means possible if I have to leave it in my car. It sucks, but just a reality of life.
Quote from: vincheung on August 21, 2010, 07:35:16 PM
Nice! hows the 57? Ive fired the ps90 and love it.
I haven't had a chance to fire it yet. I am planning on going to the range this week.
Quote from: caperix on August 22, 2010, 04:40:35 AM
Nice purchase pennyrobber, the FiveseveN is a fun gun to shoot. The commercialy available rounds are dialed back quite a bit, check out www.eliteammunition.net (//http://) (//http://) (//http://) for some hotter reloads.
Thanks for the heads up. I have a few boxes of the 197sr sport rounds but I will definitely check out this site.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on August 22, 2010, 05:17:10 AM
Only time it would stay in the glove box is if we stop at a rest stop, get something to eat, etc. Always locked too. Not that the lock would do shit, but unfortunately, there are restrictions where sometimes you have to leave your gun(s) behind and that is the most "secure" spot in the passenger cabin (obviously if I am at a place for an extended time, it will be put in the trunk, stashed away.
I'd like to explore options of somehow to mount a little safe in my lexus to put my gun in while going in to certain locations where I am not allowed to carry.
I do my best at all times to secure my firearms with the best means possible if I have to leave it in my car. It sucks, but just a reality of life.
This is the best solution for leaving a pistol in the car
www.center-of-mass.com/Store_InCarGunSafe.htm (//http://)
run the cable around the seat base. the box is steel. there are various versions of these, some with a key instead.
can't remove it unless you remove the seat. Cutting the cable is hard to do unless you remove the seat if you mount it right.
Quote from: vincheung on August 04, 2010, 04:44:46 PM
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4080/4861296691_97e459601d_z.jpg)
Walther PP West German Post-WWII .380 cal
That's a nice gun. My father-in-law offered to sell/give me his. He hates it. I thought I was going to love it. I can't get my hands around it. The gun is too darn small which is why he hates it. It looks great though.
My Walthers gave me a terrible case of hammer bite on the web of my hand. Sure, standard hammer 1911s and Hi-Powers will do the same but damn those little PPKs can bite!!
Quote from: ducatiz on August 22, 2010, 07:50:29 AM
This is the best solution for leaving a pistol in the car
www.center-of-mass.com/Store_InCarGunSafe.htm (//http://) (//http://) (//http://)
run the cable around the seat base. the box is steel. there are various versions of these, some with a key instead.
can't remove it unless you remove the seat. Cutting the cable is hard to do unless you remove the seat if you mount it right.
That is perfect.
I just need to check if that would be in accordance with state law. It is written kind of weird when it comes to a loaded gun/transport, even though I have a permit.
I can only carry it concealed on my body or in my glovebox/center console.
It is odd.
I'll email you.
Quote from: fastwin on August 22, 2010, 11:13:22 AM
My Walthers gave me a terrible case of hammer bite on the web of my hand. Sure, standard hammer 1911s and Hi-Powers will do the same but damn those little PPKs can bite!!
That sounds familiar. :(
Wonder how I'd do with a PP/PPK. My Makarov, which is roughly the same size and shape of a PP doesn't give me any particular problems. After a long shooting session it will rub off skin on the edge of the knuckle of my thumb, but I've never gotten hammer bite.
Now my Sistema 1911 with the spur hammer. I can hardly shoot that make the beast with two backser... :P
^^^ Gloves guys. ;)
Quote from: kopfjäger on August 23, 2010, 03:37:31 PM
^^^ Gloves guys. ;)
I suppose you advocate hearing and eye protection as well
[roll]
If it's for personal protection sometimes there's not a lot of time to glove up. ;D But then again, did you ever hear about WWI or WWII soldiers pregnant doging about hammer bite from 1911s in the heat of battle? Didn't think so. [laugh] Or even German soldiers with Walthers? It's only for us weenies at indoor air conditoned ranges!! [laugh] [laugh] Probably wouldn't even notice it if ever fired in anger. Ed Brown/Bill Wilson have made a lot of money selling Commander hammers all these years for a good reason. [thumbsup]
Quote from: Mother on August 23, 2010, 03:38:32 PM
I suppose you advocate hearing and eye protection as well
[roll]
Only if you like those body parts to work. :D
Although if you carry a firearm for protection, you need to shoot it now and again without those protective measures, so
the day it happens for real you don't shit your pant's. :D
I've fired the Makarov without any sort of ear protection. I wouldn't want to do a range session, but a magazine worth of ammo wasn't terrible.
Quote from: zarn02 on August 23, 2010, 02:54:16 PM
Wonder how I'd do with a PP/PPK. My Makarov, which is roughly the same size and shape of a PP doesn't give me any particular problems. After a long shooting session it will rub off skin on the edge of the knuckle of my thumb, but I've never gotten hammer bite.
Now my Sistema 1911 with the spur hammer. I can hardly shoot that make the beast with two backser... :P
is the hammer stock? I don't know all the different kinds of hammers there are but my sistema 1911 doesn't give me any problems with bite
Afaik it's all stock
Quote from: Monsterlover on August 23, 2010, 04:21:25 PM
is the hammer stock? I don't know all the different kinds of hammers there are but my sistema 1911 doesn't give me any problems with bite
Afaik it's all stock
To my knowledge it's stock.
It's probably just my hand, or how I hold the gun. I've got a buddy who also owns one, and he's never complained of hammer bite.
I tracked down a pretty crappy picture of it. If this hammer is stock, then it's stock.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/zarn02/1911.jpg)
Here's a shot of mine. It almost looks like the tang on the grip safety arcs back a little more but that could also be the lighting.
What's the story on that grip?
Those finger grooves look comfy.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/900rider/Sistema%201911/1911001.jpg)
Don't really know much about it. My roommate and I had gone to waste some time looking at guns at a Gander Mountain, and they had three rough-finish Sistemas for sale. The price wasn't bad, and we felt like our apartment needed more .45s, so we picked 'em up.
The finger grooves are pretty comfy. They were the work of some previous owner.
Finish is rough, and the fit is pretty loose in places, but it fires without incident. Don't shoot it much lately as I favor my Kimber.
That to me looks like a pretty standard 1911A1 design but with nice checkered double diamond wood grips (maybe cocobolo?) which is not military. Don't know if you changed it but I am also an arched mainspring housing shooter. Grew up that way and never liked the flat, standard pieces. Funny, I have small/medium hands so you'd think I'd lean toward the flat housings over arched. But every 1911 I have has the arched housing. Just what you grew up that way I guess. :) Sweet piece you have there for sure. Blue looks to be damn near brand new! [thumbsup] Nice!!
Mines similar. I thought it was pretty good until I picked up a friends Taurus 1911 and worked the slide back and forth. That gun was slick like butter [drool]
Quote from: fastwin on August 23, 2010, 05:17:38 PM
That to me looks like a pretty standard 1911A1 design but with nice checkered double diamond wood grips (maybe cocobolo?) which is not military. Don't know if you changed it but I am also an arched mainspring housing shooter. Grew up that way and never liked the flat, standard pieces. Funny, I have small/medium hands so you'd think I'd lean toward the flat housings over arched. But every 1911 I have has the arched housing. Just what you grew up that way I guess. :) Sweet piece you have there for sure. Blue looks to be damn near brand new! [thumbsup] Nice!!
I assume this was directed towards me because of the grip comment. They're not stock. I have those. Black plastic (Bakelite I assume) and worn smooth in some areas from use.
The finish on this gun really isn't bad. I though it was a good deal at $550 and it came with a complete single stage reloading setup. It's my first pistol and foray into reloading.
It's not the most accurate gun and I'm not the most accurate shooter but if someone came into my house and I had to, the job would get done.
This thing hits pretty hard too! Not sure how much of that is a function of the .45 caliber vs design but I have a healthy respect for it.
Try an 18lb recoil spring. I believe 16lb is standard and I switched all my 5" gov't models to 18s years ago. Twenty is a little too much for me with ball ammo but 18 is an improvement over stock 16s. Last I checked .45acp was supposed to hit pretty hard! [laugh] The spring swap is a cheap deal, give it a try. Can't hurt. [thumbsup]
Maybe have a local gunsmith fit up a National Match barrel bushing and possibly a little triger magic. 1911s respond real well to both of those tricks. If you don't won't to keep it bone stock Videcki lightweight triggers are a very common swap if you are considering the trigger work. Kind of like an Ohlins trigger upgrade!!
The previous owner did a trigger job on it, it's pretty smooth IMO.
Im trying to imagine what a heavier spring would do.. .
slow the slide down, right? What's the effect on recoil?
Quote from: zarn02 on August 23, 2010, 05:13:22 PM
Don't really know much about it. My roommate and I had gone to waste some time looking at guns at a Gander Mountain, and they had three rough-finish Sistemas for sale. The price wasn't bad, and we felt like our apartment needed more .45s, so we picked 'em up.
The finger grooves are pretty comfy. They were the work of some previous owner.
Finish is rough, and the fit is pretty loose in places, but it fires without incident. Don't shoot it much lately as I favor my Kimber.
I was going to ask when I read "Gander Mountain" on pricing.
The one around here is so overpriced, it isn't even funny!
Their Glock's are well over 100$ more than most shops!!!
However, they do have a Gunsmith that doesn't have a 3 month wait time!
Time to bring this back up to the front.
Anyone been buying anything recently?
I just modded up a Daisy Pump Action 650FPS BB/Pellet Gun with a 3x9 scope I had laying around
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Now to stalk that damn skunk outside my condo. He won't have a chance once I get that scope dialed in.
(this BB Gun is battle proven. Not getting into specifics and I was not the trigger person, but it has killed 3 cats during its lifetime with standard BB's)
I haven't bought anything, but the wife and are are considering CCW.
Seems the nice hood we live in is becoming the actual hood. I don't totally feel safe walking the dog at night anymore.
I also have 12 gauge itis. Not sure if ill look at semi auto or pump. But anyway, they make big boom. Want.
Also, I know you weren't the shooter but killing animals that you're not going to eat isn't something I'd like to see someone brag about.
Just sayin.
The major problem with killing skunks at BB gun effective ranges is the not insignificant possibility of simply pissing off skunks at BB gun effective ranges.
I've got a muzzle loader, cow elk tag for the unit near Williams Arizona that runs from next Friday (9/23) through the following Thursday. I'll be hunting with a friend who will be toting his favorite flintlock. I'll be hunting with one of these, and the other will be in camp as our backup gun:
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4130/4990984329_60c99f45cd_z.jpg)
The one on the bottom is a nice enough rifle -- .50 cal Green Mountain barrel, T/C lock & trigger set and a no-nonsense stock that's been stripped of most of the unnecessary brass & has notches cut in it (not mine) for six deer and four elk. It shoots both the T/C and Hornady sabotted bullets I've got with scary accuracy -- the very first time I tried it off a rest at 50 yards, working up the right loads, i fired three shots and couldn't find the last two with the spotting scope. When I retrieved the target, it was one hole with three slight lobes. That'll do.
The one on top, though, has me in a state of lust; it belongs to my flintlocking hunting buddy, who's made a couple of half-hearted attempts to sell it. It's a completely handmade gun, built around a 1950s .58 cal barrel by William Large, one of the founders of the National Muzzleloading Rifle Association, and a revered barrel maker from the mid 1930s until his death in the 1980s. The lock is crisp and tight, the main trigger makes the set trigger almost superfluous -- it's easily the smoothest trigger I've ever pulled, on of the finest pieces of hand work I've ever touched. The stock is a beautiful piece with flame figuring in the wood from muzzle to butt. It shoots VERY respectable roundball groups with 110 grains of powder and that big chunk of .58 cal lead.
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4104/4991597812_5012f59776_z.jpg)
I'm looking forward to a splendid week in the woods!
Quote from: rc51 on September 14, 2010, 02:00:10 PM
Don't get me started again on a shotgun/self defense rant! [laugh] Don't bring your 9mm to my shotgun fight! [bang] I don't like cats but I wouldn't shoot them... unless they came at me with a knife. [thumbsup]
well I can't exactly carry a scatter gun when I walk my dog ;D
but I'd like to hear your thoughts on it as a home defense piece.
Quote from: Monsterlowsider on September 14, 2010, 03:04:13 PM
well I can't exactly carry a scatter gun when I walk my dog ;D
You should move to the south. [evil]
[laugh]
I'd love to
wife needs to stick around here till her parents are gone.
One of these days...
Doood, just imagine what kind of redneck hooliganism you could get into with that SMR (and a mullet) down there...
Yeah
I know
I <3 southern roads
I changed it tonight.
I was screwing around in the grass and the rear end got away from me ;D
Quote from: rc51 on September 14, 2010, 05:28:08 PM
Oh, I could make all sorts of nasty references to that statement but out of respect I won't! [laugh]
That's exactly what I was thinking. ;)
You got me on that one
[laugh]
1. What happened to Fastwin?????
2. BB gun will take down the skunk with a headshot.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on September 14, 2010, 06:30:48 PM
2. BB gun will take down the skunk with a headshot.
Not necessarily. Let us know how it goes.
Make sure you're within 10 feet of the skunk......otherwise its inhumane.
[evil]
Quote from: kopfjäger on September 14, 2010, 07:13:29 PM
Not necessarily. Let us know how it goes.
10pumps from 30 feet instantly killed a cat.
Not sure of the "skin and fur" on a skunk but if it did that to a cat, I can't imagine the same wouldn't happen to a skunk.
I'd rather pop it with my .22 but city ordinance does not allow discharging of firearms within city limits.
I've heard of those white powder .22LR rounds that are supposedly a lot quieter (not that a .22 is loud, but will draw attention, but their effective range is only 25ft or something. I suppose if I took out one of my screen and took the shot from inside, the majority of the "bang" would resonate through my house then off the condos across the street.
make the beast with two backs humane with this make the beast with two backser. I have almost been sprayed 3-4 times by it.
Quote from: Monsterlowsider on September 14, 2010, 04:13:05 PM
Yeah
I know
I <3 southern roads
Just make sure you don't hunt while sitting in your truck. That's a big big no-no.
Quote from: duccarlos on September 15, 2010, 02:47:58 AM
Just make sure you don't hunt while sitting in your truck. That's a big big no-no.
It is in Indiana too.
A friend of mine got nailed by a sting for supposedly shooting at geese from a public road.
He was actually off the road, but still had to go to court and lost his shotgun for almost a year.
He was set up by the DNR with decoys.
Quote from: Monsterlowsider on September 14, 2010, 03:04:13 PM
well I can't exactly carry a scatter gun when I walk my dog ;D
why the hell not?
(http://www.kingdomarms.com/store/images/_products/Serbu-Super_Shorty_870.jpg)
:o
I bet that is pleasant to shoot with some 00 Buck
it's not terrible as you might think, it's the muzzle flash that's a pregnant dog
Quote from: ducatiz on September 15, 2010, 04:19:13 AM
it's not terrible as you might think, it's the muzzle flash that's a pregnant dog
ah, wait a second.
Is that a collapsible handle on the front?
Quote from: cyrus buelton on September 15, 2010, 04:26:11 AM
ah, wait a second.
Is that a collapsible handle on the front?
yes
That wouldn't be too bad.
Do you need a Class III to own that sucker?
Quote from: ducatiz on September 15, 2010, 03:34:32 AM
why the hell not?
(http://www.kingdomarms.com/store/images/_products/Serbu-Super_Shorty_870.jpg)
That thing is just Sweetness! How many 2-3/4"-ers does it hold? Will it cycle the 2"?
Quote from: cyrus buelton on September 15, 2010, 04:56:05 AM
That wouldn't be too bad.
Do you need a Class III to own that sucker?
If you mean an NFA stamp, yes, but it is an "AOW" stamp and it's only $5. Same paperwork as a machine gun, but the stamp is cheaper (as it's in law, just like the $200 stamp is)
Quote from: fastwin on August 13, 2010, 06:20:05 AM
When I went to classes at Thunder Ranch Clint Smith always told us stories of students going back to their motel rooms in Kerrville at night and accidentally shooting the TVs in their room. Probably using the TV as a simulator and badly practicing dry fire drills. He said he knew the folks that ran the motel and if he heard about that happening you would be excused from the remainder of his course. How'd you like to be in the next room when that happens?? [bang]
those are EXACTLY the types of people that should never own guns. EXTREMELY STUPID PEOPLE SHOULD NEVER HAVE ACCESS TO GUNS EVER.
Quote from: sbrguy on September 15, 2010, 05:20:06 AM
those are EXACTLY the types of people that should never own guns. EXTREMELY STUPID PEOPLE SHOULD NEVER HAVE ACCESS TO GUNS EVER.
i disagree.
extremely stupid people should be required to own guns, but must all live in the same neighborhood.
Quote from: ducatiz on September 15, 2010, 03:34:32 AM
why the hell not?
(http://www.kingdomarms.com/store/images/_products/Serbu-Super_Shorty_870.jpg)
That's pretty bad ass right there
So does anyone know what happened to Fastwin???
He pulled a Bert...waved his arms...
and disappeared.
Quote from: humorless dp on September 15, 2010, 06:25:32 AM
He pulled a Bert...waved his arms...
and disappeared.
Interesting.
We used to PM all the time. Hope he is well.
Dear bag,
Sorry you have to live life without me anymore.
Hope you feel better soon.
-Cat
Quote from: rc51 on September 15, 2010, 08:30:05 AM
Death threats, new identity, witness protection program. It's a long story. Don't tell anyone, OK? [laugh]
I'm fine, thanks for worrying. [beer]
I was wondering who this RC51 newbie in the gun thread was.
Suppose I should have investigated you a bit more
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Quote from: cyrus buelton on September 15, 2010, 09:16:11 AM
I was wondering who this RC51 newbie in the gun thread was.
Suppose I should have investigated you a bit more
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
probably changed his name cause he was tired of you showing up drunk wanting to blow him
Quote from: ducatiz on September 15, 2010, 12:30:29 PM
probably changed his name cause he was tired of you showing up drunk wanting to blow him
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Quote from: ducatiz on September 15, 2010, 12:30:29 PM
probably changed his name cause he was tired of you showing up drunk wanting to blow him
Ok, I'll give you this one.
That was funny as shit.
but
I have known your address for several years, invited you to my wedding which you couldn't even send the pre-paid postcard back (didn't even send a wedding gift you prick), but I haven't shown up to blow you yet...................
Just wait til I am in DC soon.
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
ok, fine..........let me grab the camera and take a photo of the scoped out BB gun
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
I was wrong.
It is a Daisy 750fps BB/Pellet gun. The piccany rail on the top fit an extra 3x9 Bushmaster scope I had.
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/jshoward11/P9150054.jpg)
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/jshoward11/P9150056.jpg)
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/jshoward11/P9150057.jpg)
Piccany?
Is that like the sauce from Pace?
;D
Quote from: rc51 on September 15, 2010, 06:30:24 PM
Is that the cat-terminator?
There is a story behind it, yes.
My junior year of college, we lived in the hood and our neighbor fed about 70 stray cats.
We called every organization possible to have them collected, but none of them wanted anything to do with them.
After numerous scratches to our vehicles and 1500$ damage to one of my roomies trucks due to a cat sleeping on a warm engine block, we had to take action.
Peg-a-Cat began.
It was a game of 5 pump body shots to teach them not to come in our yard.
It actually worked. Of course I won with 118 confirmed body shots (the best was when I popped one off the fence and the sucker seriously jumped about 5 feet higher than fence and ran off, but then there was the one money shot when I naied one on the neighbors roof)
I will say that I never killed one, but I can't say that for my roommates. I believe 3 in total were killed. 2 accidentally and one on purporse. Old Grey as we called him was a son of a pregnant dog. We caught him pissing on our front door, scratching the hoods of our cars (I had over $1,000 in scratch marks repaired).Anyway, one of my nameless roommates took down Old Grey one friday afternoon.
They say serial killers usually get their start doing that sort of thing
[roll]
Quote from: Monsterlowsider on September 15, 2010, 06:50:26 PM
They say serial killers usually get their start doing that sort of thing
[roll]
I never killed one.
I was sick of paying for damage to my vehicle.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on September 15, 2010, 06:15:49 PM
I was wrong.
It is a Daisy 750fps BB/Pellet gun. The piccany rail on the top fit an extra 3x9 Bushmaster scope I had.
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/jshoward11/P9150054.jpg)
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/jshoward11/P9150056.jpg)
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/jshoward11/P9150057.jpg)
I had a Crossman 760 when I was about 12.. I can't believe they still make it.
Quote from: ducatiz on September 16, 2010, 02:46:32 AM
I had a Crossman 760 when I was about 12.. I can't believe they still make it.
I was at Cock's a while ago (I mean Dick's) and was just wandering around and hit the BB Gun aisle.
WHOA.
Those things are like 350-400$ now!
Quote from: Monsterlowsider on September 15, 2010, 06:50:26 PM
They say serial killers usually get their start doing that sort of thing
[roll]
Dammit! You stole my line! lol
pictures dammit...
How is everyone gonna like it when I lock this because Jud and his girlfriends can't mouth up and post pictures?
Quote from: humorless dp on September 16, 2010, 07:05:45 AM
pictures dammit...
How is everyone gonna like it when I lock this because Jud and his girlfriends can't mouth up and post pictures?
Can we discuss guns or is this just a picture thread?
If we can discuss...........
I took Tizzy's advice and ordered up two gun safes for the car.
http://www.center-of-mass.com/Store_InCarGunSafe.htm (http://www.center-of-mass.com/Store_InCarGunSafe.htm)
I placed the order yesterday and it already shipped same day.
Can't say I can complain about the level of service with this manufacturer.
Not sure where I will be putting it in my car yet, but will figure that out when the time comes.
Thinking about mocking up a fabrication of the exact size so I can start brainstorming locations it will fit and ease of access.
I went with the 3 digit combo one verse the key.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on September 16, 2010, 08:11:37 AM
I went with the 3 digit combo one verse the key.
'
combo is better than key, but 3 digit is all?? not enough for me, i'd want at least 4
This is a picture thread.
There are about 11ty billion gun threads of all flavors around here....1911s airguns shotguns rifles...and just plain gun stuff.
Do a search and find one that fits your post.
Did someone mention Cats. ;D ;D ;)
Here's my little Pussy tickler Gun
A rather vintage Bentley m500 22Lr 10 shot repeater
With muzzle attachment ;D used with subsonic ammo is quieter and more lethal than my Gecardo air rifle. [evil]
The neighbours are none the wiser ;D
(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t70/robert3520/DSC02761.jpg?t=1284706061)
What's that thing clamped to the scope?
Quote from: humorless dp on September 16, 2010, 07:05:45 AM
pictures dammit...How is everyone gonna like it when I lock this because Jud and his girlfriends can't mouth up and post pictures?
I read that ^^ and thought of DP in the role of "Grumpiest Old Men". [laugh]
I don't think I've been on this thread more than once..since I don't own "ae" gun. I'm anticipating one from my dad though this Christmas. He's pretty excited that I've been showing an interest in them since he bought my sister one last Dec.
(http://www.f150online.com/forums/members/dkgreyf150-albums-new-glock-picture52971-glock-19-viridian-x5l.jpg)
Of course, it can't be
just a Glock. It'll be something like this ^^ with the laser/knife/holster/30 round clip/strobelight/night & thermal vision set up!! Obviously, an exaggeration but my dad is kind of crazy like that. [laugh]
Quote from: cyrus buelton on September 16, 2010, 08:11:37 AM
Can we discuss guns or is this just a picture thread?
I took Tizzy's advice and ordered up two gun safes for the car.
What do you need a car "safe" for? You live in the MidWest. Don't you people still use gun racks?! ;D
I'm sure one of these can be modified to fit nicely in the back of the Lexas. [cheeky]
(http://www.discountramps.com/images/seat-back-gun-rack-4.jpg)
(http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/attachments/new-ls1-owners-newbie-tech/149834d1223477749-gun-rack-camaro-b4c-1-.jpg)
Quote from: Monsterlowsider on September 17, 2010, 01:36:35 AM
What's that thing clamped to the scope?
Lazer sight. very handy at night ;)
Quote from: IZ on September 17, 2010, 02:22:17 AM
(http://www.f150online.com/forums/members/dkgreyf150-albums-new-glock-picture52971-glock-19-viridian-x5l.jpg)
Good lord, that thing is make the beast with two backsing huge.
You can get a 30rnd mag in that thing that doesn't extend below the handgrip?
I thought they were 17 or 18rnders?
Quote from: cyrus buelton on September 17, 2010, 03:46:48 AM
Good lord, that thing is make the beast with two backsing huge.
You can get a 30rnd mag in that thing that doesn't extend below the handgrip?
I thought they were 17 or 18rnders?
Like I said..
Quote from: IZ on September 17, 2010, 02:22:17 AM
Obviously, an exaggeration
16, 17 or 18 is more like it though.
Quote from: IZ on September 17, 2010, 02:22:17 AM
Obviously, an exaggeration but my dad is kind of crazy like that. [laugh]
this is what a G17 with a 30 rd mag looks like
(http://www.radioactive-software.com/images/Guns/11.jpg)
but I think this is more what you want, IZ
the RONI. Convert your glock to an SMG style weapon, legally.
(http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/190320000/190320841/pix225290312.jpg)
Quote from: ducatiz on September 17, 2010, 04:09:33 AM
this is what a G19 with a 30 rd mag looks like
(http://www.radioactive-software.com/images/Guns/11.jpg)
but I think this is more what you want, IZ
Whoa..they do have 30 round clips?! I was joking!
Cool setup btw but I'd just buy an AR if I want that look.
Quote from: IZ on September 17, 2010, 04:14:04 AM
Whoa..they do have 30 round clips?! I was joking!
Cool setup btw but I'd just buy an AR if I want that look.
of course. the full auto Glocks use them to good effect.
If you want something that can fit under your coat, you pick up something small, like a MicroUZI or a G18. Granted, they are rare as hen's teeth, but I think you can still find transferrable auto-sears for the G17/19.
You can also buy retractable butt stocks for the Glock as well as forward vertical grips. Sometimes, an AR is just too big. You have to register the weapon as an AOW though.
(http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/190486000/190486582/pix534760633.jpg)
Quote from: IZ on September 17, 2010, 04:14:04 AM
Cool setup btw but I'd just buy an AR if I want that look.
An AR and that set up have about as much in common as......well, nothing at all.
A Glock, a Mossberg 500 and a sniper rifle (I think I need one of these) ..the Stealth Recon Scout.
(http://www.tactical-life.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/desert-tactical.gif)
That looks like a good lineup but I am certainly no expert.
What's a good assortment if you only had 3 guns to choose from?!
What are your needs?
CCW, hunt, shoot for fun?
I'd say some sort of .22, a 12ga and some sort of .45
I don't think we even need a CCW here in AZ anymore?!
Mainly fun.
Also for when gov't fails and life as we know it ceases to exist. [cheeky]
Possibly for an airborn virus that turns people into zombies. [moto]
I just want to have some protection.
See my last post :)
I've posted a picture of this gun already, but I did modify it slightly during ten days out in the Arizona woods at the end of September.
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4109/5047933252_93b3c3cacd.jpg)
let's keep this to showing off the guns you already own.
K?
Quote from: Monsterlover on October 03, 2010, 09:00:05 AM
What are your needs?
CCW, hunt, shoot for fun?
I'd say some sort of .22, a 12ga and some sort of .45
Quote from: IZ on October 03, 2010, 09:04:46 AM
I don't think we even need a CCW here in AZ anymore?!
Mainly fun.
Also for when gov't fails and life as we know it ceases to exist. [cheeky]
Possibly for an airborn virus that turns people into zombies. [moto]
I just want to have some protection.
I have to go with a .22 rifle of some sort, preferable an autoloader. I have a 60's era Marlin 989 M2, which is patterned after an M1 rifle. Very nice. If I was buyign a new one, I'd get a Ruger 10/22 as there is a ton of parts for them.
marlin 989 M2
(http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/180510000/180510906/pix1651860765.jpg)
Pump shotgun, 12 ga of some sort. Preferably something common.
I have to disagree about the pistol. I prefer something with a common ammo and 9mm and 40 cal edge out 45 nowadays. You find more people with 9 or 40 ammo laying around, not to mention pretty much every PD uses 9/40/357sig now.
If you >have< to have only three, that's where I'd go, but I'd really hedge on the 22 rifle as I'd want something that can take game or targets at a much better distance. Probably at least at 223 or 308 (keeping to my "common ammo" ideal)
My line-up includes:
Mossberg 500 (5+1 capacity)18" barrel for home protection. It also came with a 28" barrel for clays/birds which is kinda nice.
Marlin 30-30 lever action (cowboy rifle, capacity 7+1?) which is the most natural for me b/c growing up I had a lever action BB gun with the exact same type of lever, so I literally have been cranking a new "round" in with the same motion since the age of 8.
Taurus PT709 Slim in 9mm, (capacity 7+1) its a nice little conceal carry piece, a bit bigger than a .380, but its a tradeoff for greater firepower. The new Slim model is only about 2 years old, but it comes in much smaller package than precious models, as the name implies it is rather narrow, and the egdes are mostly rounded or at least relieved so that is makes a nice carry piece without digging corners into your side or back or wherever you chose to carry it.
I've got a few other items in my small collection, but these are by far my favorites. I'd also like to eventually add an AR-15 in .223 with a 20" barrel for longer range shooting, but that won't be for a while.
The Doc
I updated my original AR with a couple small things.
Original:
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Bushy lower
DPMS LPK
Timney skeleton trigger
Magpul UBR stock
Rock River Dominator2 rear sight/EOTech mount
EOTech 55-something
Black Rock River grip
Updated:
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UTG 2-piece quad-rail handguard
Magpul ladder rail guards
Magpul AFG2
FDE ERGO grip
Paint filled SAFE and FIRE (I was bored)
QD sling swivel on the stock
I've also gotten a few things done to my newest lower.
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Rock River lower
Daniel Defense LPK
Rock River 2 stage match trigger
ERGO F93 stock (they bought the rights from Magpul)
The black Rock River grip from my other AR
Paint filled SAFE and FIRE (again, bored)
I just bought a new car so I think I might end up having to sit on this one for a little while. Still trying to figure out what want for an upper. I keep going from a LaRue Stealth 16" to a Spike's 16". It depends on my mood. I'll probably go with the Spike's because it's about 1/3 the price.
Nice! I just picked up two new lowers. One is going to end up a suppressed SBR. I'm not sure what I'm going to do with the other.
Man I need more money..
That's a big +1 to that!!
Quote from: Dannyboy on November 13, 2010, 08:50:36 AM
Updated:
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Nice! Daddy like the UBR. One thing though, try moving the AFG forward to the end of your rail. You'll get better extension, and subsequently more control out of it that way. [thumbsup]
I was going to the range out in PA with my boy Sunday.. bu wife got laid off so can't go spending too much.. really wanted to shoot my boys AK..
Quote from: DRKWNG on November 13, 2010, 12:07:40 PM
Nice! Daddy like the UBR. One thing though, try moving the AFG forward to the end of your rail. You'll get better extension, and subsequently more control out of it that way. [thumbsup]
I tried it out front like that but it didn't really work for me. Before the AFG, I used to shoot gripping the magwell. The AFG where it is right now is the most comfortable and controlling position. My left wrist is kinda screwed up (what can brown do for you?).
I'll tell you what, though. The AFG is the shizzy. It provides a much more natural position. Single best upgrade. Even over the trigger, which was a pretty phenomenal upgrade in itself.
The UBR is pretty badass. The stock on the other lower is pretty good too. It's actually about 1.5" longer than the UBR extended.
BTW, how are you liking that SR-15? Those things are pretty sweet.
Forgot to mention earlier that the upper is a Rock River 16" middy in 6.8.
Daewoo AR100 SBR
what happens when an AR and an AK make sweet love.
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My new toy fresh out of the box, Henry Big Boy .357/.38.
(http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo118/Speedbag/2010_1204Image0001.jpg)
Quote from: Speedbag on December 04, 2010, 04:09:41 PM
My new toy fresh out of the box, Henry Big Boy .357/.38.
(http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo118/Speedbag/2010_1204Image0001.jpg)
Very nice.
I should post up the pistol I got recently.
Yes
You should.
I may have one to post tomorrow as well ;D
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 04, 2010, 06:09:58 PM
Yes
You should.
I may have one to post tomorrow as well ;D
Did you buy that Savage/Stevens or the Remington?
Quote from: Speedbag on December 04, 2010, 04:09:41 PM
My new toy fresh out of the box, Henry Big Boy .357/.38.
Nice Henry. They are big with the Cowboy shooters. :D
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Quote from: humorless dp on December 04, 2010, 06:17:51 PM
Did you buy that Savage/Stevens or the Remington?
Neither. I have ruger-itis right now. Its slightly more severe than the 870-itis I was already suffering from.
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 04, 2010, 06:29:23 PM
Neither. I have ruger-itis right now. Its slightly more severe than the 870-itis I was already suffering from.
I want a 10-22 stainless as a barn gun.
For shooting barns?
Rabid barns?
;D
Couple nice stainless ones at the show today.
I did see a full auto as well
Not sure of the caliber but the tag had an 18 on it
And three zeros
No decimal point. Just a comma.
:o
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 04, 2010, 06:49:11 PM
For shooting barns?
Rabid barns?
;D
Couple nice stainless ones at the show today.
Mostly pigeons and raccoons...
well mostly raccoons.
I can use the single shot for pigeons...the blue pills won't cycle a 10-22 anyway
I just had an image of you picking off a pigeon and it falling somewhere where you can't get to it
And stinking the place up [laugh]
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 04, 2010, 06:59:42 PM
I just had an image of you picking off a pigeon and it falling somewhere where you can't get to it
And stinking the place up [laugh]
I only shoot pigeons if they decide to roost in the barn.
I've never had a problem finding one in there. ;D
Quote from: humorless dp on December 04, 2010, 07:02:00 PM
I only shoot pigeons if they decide to roost in the barn.
I've never had a problem finding one in there. ;D
Flying Rats. Filthy creatures.
No inaccessable high areas?
Work with me here man
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 04, 2010, 07:18:12 PM
No inaccessable high areas?
Work with me here man
Sorry to disappoint.
They usually fall from their perch to the floor.
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 04, 2010, 06:21:17 PM
Nice Henry. They are big with the Cowboy shooters. :D
Trouble is, there aren't many cowboys around here to shoot. ;)
[laugh]
Nice :)
I call BS
I'm thinking Mr Coon fell into the chimney very much alive
It takes more punishment than a a single round of .22LR
To bring peace to a creature as wicked and hate-filled as a Racoon
.22LR's can be fairly destructive
I shouldn't have to tell you that...
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 06, 2010, 03:14:05 AM
.22LR's can be fairly destructive
I shouldn't have to tell you that...
I've seen
(from the butt side of a pair of iron sights)
a Raccoon eat a dozen+ rounds of .22lr in rapid succession at pbr
After the bolt locked back
Magazine empty
Mr Rac C. Oon was still drawing breath into ventilated lungs
And
Expressing his dissatisfaction at my continued existence on the earth
Raccoons are devilspawn
Quote from: Mother on December 06, 2010, 05:30:50 AM
I've seen
(from the butt side of a pair of iron sights)
a Raccoon eat a dozen+ rounds of .22lr in rapid succession at pbr
After the bolt locked back
Magazine empty
Mr Rac C. Oon was still drawing breath into ventilated lungs
And
Expressing his dissatisfaction at my continued existence on the earth
Raccoons are devilspawn
You have
bad aim
one shot to
the head
would've fixed Mr Coon
Quote from: ducatiz on December 06, 2010, 05:32:57 AM
You have
bad aim
one shot to
the head
would've fixed Mr Coon
There are always unbelievers who do not realize the devil wears a black mask
Quote from: Mother on December 06, 2010, 05:36:05 AM
There are always unbelievers who do not realize the devil wears a black mask
nah. coons are just zombies. even a .17 will take one if you get them in the head.
I'm with mother. Coon's ain't like most animals. I think they are a result of fisher cat and zombie NYC rat breeding. Even if you shot them in the head you have to hit both lobes. They will function off only one brain side.
That's why you need these
(http://www.paraklesetechnologies.com/prodimages/SuperBuck.18.3.inch.magnum_1.JPG)
3" 00-Buck
2 or 3 should do, :)
[laugh]
Quote from: Mother on December 05, 2010, 11:58:37 PM
I call BS
I'm thinking Mr Coon fell into the chimney very much alive
It takes more punishment than a a single round of .22LR
To bring peace to a creature as wicked and hate-filled as a Racoon
Not to be argumentative...
all about shot placement
Quote from: ducatiz on December 06, 2010, 05:43:40 AM
nah. coons are just zombies. even a .17 will take one if you get them in the head.
+1
Quote from: Mother on December 05, 2010, 11:58:37 PM
To bring peace to a creature as wicked and hate-filled as a Racoon
how could you say such a thing??
(http://www.abc-machine-embroidery-designs.com/images/Little_Chummy_Critters/Rocky_Raccoon_b.jpg)
I think I might be an addict now :P
This weekends loot- ruger sr9c, eezox, spare gi 1911 mag & some brushes
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(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/900rider/Gun%20Stuff/2010-12-06_17-38-04_857.jpg)
And with the short carry mag
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I took the pics with a droid x. This gun does not seem to want to photograph well. Hopefully they came out ok since I don't have a monitor handy. . .
Your camera makes that pistol look like plastic. ;D
Told you it doesn't photo well ;D
Ooh, what's one of those run?
(even though I have zero room in the safe)
I paid $420
$398 online but I wanted to spend money locally and have local support.
I'll post one. Just give me
...like 6 months :D
Quote from: humorless dp on December 06, 2010, 01:46:27 PM
Not to be argumentative...
all about shot placement
not when you find yourself within claw reach
its about speed of delivery
and
not shooting yourself in the foot
;D
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 06, 2010, 03:09:36 PM
I paid $420
$398 online but I wanted to spend money locally and have local support.
Looks like a nice purchase! Ruger has a handgun assembly plant here in town. I'll tell my neighbor Angel that you like his work -- he's coming up on 20 years there. [thumbsup]
Quote from: Mother on December 07, 2010, 06:41:14 AM
not when you find yourself within claw reach
its about speed of delivery
and
not shooting yourself in the foot
;D
don't you have some good boots, boy?
kick the mother effer! they bounce, trust me.
Quote from: Mother on December 07, 2010, 06:41:14 AM
not when you find yourself within claw reach
its about speed of delivery
and
not shooting yourself in the foot
;D
That's right..
I forgot you're afraid of raccoons. ;D
I fear them :-[
ML this ones for you.
My 870, old reliable.
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5204/5242879536_c8ce1fb073.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/32381491@N07/5242879536/)
100_2766 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/32381491@N07/5242879536/#) by anzalone22 (http://www.flickr.com/people/32381491@N07/), on Flickr
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100_2765 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/32381491@N07/5242285893/#) by anzalone22 (http://www.flickr.com/people/32381491@N07/), on Flickr
Before this past Saturday I hadn't fired it in over 10 years. Went skeet shooting, I forgot how much fun it is.
[thumbsup]
:D
My new to me pistol
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(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5285/5242986288_35783cdca5_b.jpg)
[thumbsup]
Quote from: oldfastwin on December 07, 2010, 07:14:07 PM
I've got an old CZ75 with no import marks. Not sure how it got here. It was a gun show buy years ago. Damn nice pistol. Enjoy it!! [thumbsup] Are those stock adjustable rear sights?
Many of the pre-B's came over with soldiers returning.
This model has the LPA adjustable rear sight as stock from the factory.
The shop I got it from had a pre-B at the time. This one was in better shape and the prices were within a few bucks and this one came with 4 mags.
When my play money fund recovers I may just go see if it's still there.
excellent choice. i love the cz.
i have a model 85, not the B models, the original with the blued finish and no firing pin block and czech mil front site. very fun
Quote from: humorless dp on December 07, 2010, 06:56:59 PM
My new to me pistol
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 07, 2010, 06:14:54 PM
[thumbsup]
:D
Mine. Wilson Combat NFA 870.
It's good for concealed carry.
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/DML/101_0103.jpg)
Quote from: ducatiz on December 07, 2010, 07:29:37 PM
excellent choice. i love the cz.
i have a model 85, not the B models, the original with the blued finish and no firing pin block and czech mil front site. very fun
Mine also has no firing pin block even though it's styled like a B.
The 'Combat' model is sort of an entry level competition pistol and the block adds to trigger pull weight.
Quote from: oldfastwin on December 07, 2010, 07:38:20 PM
The back four rounds in the Side Saddle look like S&B 00 buck. Are the front two S&B slugs?
All Wolf not S&B. 2 slugs and 4 00 buck.
Those slugs are a pregnant dog out of a short barrel. Blow a hinge or handle right off.
Quote from: oldfastwin on December 07, 2010, 07:52:22 PM
... just keep it for whatever...
yep.. that about sums up why i keep mine.. [wine]
i was hoping to find a holster for it, dammit.
mine had the bantam stock as well but i put the "WP" birdhead on it. i should put the stock back on it, i think it's more usable, but it looks nastier this way.
I talked to a local smith about adding ghost sights, but that was a long while ago. It was around $75 + the cost of the kit which was about $80 at the time.
Mine was used when I got it, pretty beat up actually. I got the barrel recoated and receiver and planned to put a new trigger group in it. It's gone thru a few changes since I got hold of it. It had the +1 tube but I lost it :-[. I just put a regular cap on it. I am so glad I bought it before getting married tho.. [laugh]
Quote from: ducatiz on December 07, 2010, 07:34:56 PM
Mine. Wilson Combat NFA 870.
It's good for concealed carry.
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/DML/101_0103.jpg)
How comfortable is that thing to shoot?
Of course, looking at it, I get the feeling it's designed to solve problems with only one or two shots. . .
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 08, 2010, 06:57:54 AM
How comfortable is that thing to shoot?
Of course, looking at it, I get the feeling it's designed to solve problems with only one or two shots. . .
it's not bad at all, except that the muzzle is closer to your ears.
i've answered the door with it 2ce for problems and fired nary a shot. they just got wide eyed and stuttered a bit and left. no idea why.
the slugs are actually easier recoil-wise. i don't know why, i am sure there is some "physics explanation".. they just "poop!" right out..
2ce?
This is my latests, .38 special, Smith and Wesson Chiefs Special
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100_2758 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/32381491@N07/5244825025/#) by anzalone22 (http://www.flickr.com/people/32381491@N07/), on Flickr
I finally got to fire it. Anything further than 15 feet will almost impossible to hit.
I was a little surprised at how mush flash the muzzle has. ;D
Quote from: The Architect on December 08, 2010, 04:43:39 PM
I was a little surprised at how mush flash the muzzle has. ;D
the cartridge is almost as long as the barrel! of course it has flash!
i have a model 40, nearly perfect shape. can't bear to shoot it though. still has the old cockspur hammer too.
Quote from: oldfastwin on December 08, 2010, 06:53:40 PM
I love those little J frames! I've got some pretty trick ones worked over by Weigand and others. Ported, bobbed hammers and trigger jobs. They are actually one of my favorite carry guns. Yeah 5 rounds of hot .38 doesn't sound like much unless you are on the receiving end! [evil] They always work and never jam. In the winter I carry one in my right coat pocket. I'm right handed. Don't even need to pull it out. I'd have no hesitation shooting through my coat and trouble making duffus would never see it coming! [thumbsup]
lol, who doesn't like the J frames?
it's the best gun to have stashed around the house too. out of the reach of kids, of course, but always good to have one hidden in the kitchen, bathroom, bedroom, garage.. :D
Quote from: oldfastwin on December 08, 2010, 08:01:38 PM
Wow! I just pulled up Jack Weigand's website for fun and damn, he doesn't even do any of the gunsmith work he used to do. [bang] It's all handgun scope mount shit and that's it. I
probably got tired of the ffl paperwork hassles
^^^ Nice .38!
My first handgun, Buckmark 22. Wanted a Ruger but it was out of my financial reach at that time.
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100_2764 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/32381491@N07/5246559602/#) by anzalone22 (http://www.flickr.com/people/32381491@N07/), on Flickr
Later on in life I bought the Ruger.
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100_2759 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/32381491@N07/5245966993/#) by anzalone22 (http://www.flickr.com/people/32381491@N07/), on Flickr
Had to have the red dot scope.
As for entertainment, you can't beat the 22's. [thumbsup]
Quote from: oldfastwin on December 06, 2010, 03:35:52 PM
By the way, like the looks of that Ruger. We need a range report! [thumbsup]
Well, I finally fired it.
I was over at my friends place (my reloading and .45 mentor) and we ran some home loads through the SR9c at his bullet trap in the basement.
First of all, these rounds were cone points that he cast himself. They fed mostly ok. The round nose he had fed 100%.
The first 5 shots were in the black and touching at 11 yards. I got sloppy after that, but it was still not bad.
There was also an issue 2 times where I pulled the trigger and nothing happened. Pull the mag, clear the chamber. . .
the pin hit the primer but nada. I reloaded that round and it went off the second time.
The other time this happened it took 3 hits before it fired. It seems the firing pin wasn't impacting hard enough, or possibly the primers had a hard spot in them. I feel like it was probably the gun.
As is from the factory it's packed with grease like a wheel bearing and the parts aren't worn in (im guessing) If it still does this after a couple hundred more I'll be asking some questions at the shop I bought it from.
Recoil was manageable. Noticeably less than the .45 1911. There's not a lot of weight out front on this gun, its' all on top of your hand.
I figured I would be less accurate with it using the short mag, but found that was not the case. Using a separate target for the short mag showed more than a few shots touching each other in the black. I do like the long mag better as far as fit in my hand goes though.
I think it handles well. Im excited to see how it is after it loosens up.
[thumbsup]
I notice that Springfield is now advertising the XD or XDm pistols with a similar short and long mag setup.
Anyway, I like this gun a lot and am glad I bought it.
If you're thinking of getting one, Id say go for it. I don't think you can go wrong with it.
Most of the time, when a round doesn't fire and subsequently fires on a second hit, it is due to the primer not being seated completely at the bottom of the primer pocket. When this happens, the energy of the first firing pin hit is absorbed in moving the primer deeper into the primer pocket. Once the primer is bottomed out and the anvil of the primer is supported by the bottom of the primer pocket, the next hit crushes the priming compound between the anvil and the firing pin and things go bang.
When you run your finger over the bottom of the case after reloading, the surface of the primer should be a few .001 below the base of the case. If the primer is flush or slightly above the base of the case, you can experince misfires or other problems.
First thing to check before blaming the gun.
Quote from: oldfastwin on December 12, 2010, 07:22:04 AM
Nice to hear you like it! [thumbsup] I would reserve judgement on the pistol until you have run a good amount of factory loads through it. Certainly nothing against your friend or his reloading abilities. Just saying those specific handloads may have had the primers set in a way that your pistol's firing pin didn't like. Who knows. Obviously, if you have the same problem after 250 rounds of factory ammo then sure, have a gunsmith check it out.
I can't fault him. He's loaded for 70 years and never bought a factory round in his life. I think he should teach a class on reloading.
The way I see it, the primer is either all the way in, or it's not. If it wasn't set all the way in, I'd guess the slide might drive it home going into battery, but that's just a guess. I'm no expert.
QuoteOnce had a Seecamp that I never fired. New in the box. I've had others so that one was a "keeper". Last year a friend expressed interest in it and I was in the mood to sell it. Gave it to him with a box of Seecamp recommended .32 Win Silvertips. Told him to shoot it and if he liked it we'd work a deal. Long story short, his dog got attacked in their front yard by two wandering, pit bulls. It was bad. He couldn't break up the fight and his dog was loosing... who wants to get in the middle of that fight? He pulled out the loaded Seecamp to shoot the attacking dogs and pulled the trigger. Nothing. Racked out that round, chambered another. Again nothing. Repeated it three more times Same result.
He managed to kick and beat the pit bulls off his dog and had to take it to the vet for stitches. I demanded the gun back and sent it to Larry Seecamp after talking with him on the phone about it. After inspecting the pistol he called me and told me that the firing pin had been filed down to the point it would not strike a primer. He said (and I believed him!) no way that left their facility like that and someone else must have done that to it. He guessed it had been a gun show demo sometime during it's life before I got it and for "safety" reasons instead of removing the pin some dumbass filed the pin down to enable the pistol. WTF? Anyway, he kindly fixed it for free (nice guy!! [thumbsup]) and upon receiving it I personally tested it before handing back to my friend. Yep, it ran like a freight train! Lesson #1, don't EVER carry a gun for self protection if you haven't broken it in and tested it with your personal defense ammo! Chewed my friend's ass for not doing that and yes, he now owns the gun and it is well broken in. Just glad my friend didn't actually need that gun for his personal protection only to find out it didn't work!
Damn. I do intend to eventually carry this gun. I'll shoot my home loads out of it, but I wouldn't ever carry it with home loads. I'll run some Critical Defense through it to confirm functionality and carry those.
[thumbsup]
Quote from: WarrenJ on December 12, 2010, 07:31:16 AM
Most of the time, when a round doesn't fire and subsequently fires on a second hit, it is due to the primer not being seated completely at the bottom of the primer pocket. When this happens, the energy of the first firing pin hit is absorbed in moving the primer deeper into the primer pocket. Once the primer is bottomed out and the anvil of the primer is supported by the bottom of the primer pocket, the next hit crushes the priming compound between the anvil and the firing pin and things go bang.
When you run your finger over the bottom of the case after reloading, the surface of the primer should be a few .001 below the base of the case. If the primer is flush or slightly above the base of the case, you can experince misfires or other problems.
First thing to check before blaming the gun.
Great info there. If it ever happens again you bet that's what I'll look at.
That very well could have been it, hard to say.
None of the .45's ive loaded have ever failed to fire, but that's a different caliber, different loader, and different press so that may not count for much.
Makes me happy though :)
I found this out the hard way years ago. It cost me dearly at a regional IPSC champinship. The slide going into battery will have mimimal effect on this especially on a 45 as there is so little suface for the case to headspace on. Most of the time the case is held in position by the extractor more than anything else. Sometimes you can have slightly oversized primers, tight or dirty primer pockets, etc that can cause this situation.
When I gage my ammo after reloading, I run my finger over the base of the case as a quick check for primer height.
I was at Gander Mt this weekend and saw the Taurus 738 TCP and the new S&W Bodyguard 380 -- all in the same weight/size class as the KelTec P3AT that I love. I also compared them all side-by-side with the Ruger LCP.
Well, the Taurus beat the shit out of the others. The trigger on that gun is amazing -- smooth and light. I don't know if I'd buy another since I already have the KelTec, but for a mousegun it is pretty sharp.
Plus, for some reason, S&W priced theirs $200 MORE than the others. The Ruger, KT, and Taurus are all around $300 but the S&W is $529. WTF? It has a built-in laser, but so what. If you need a laser for that kind of gun, it's time to get an eye transplant -- and that's not worth $200 to me.
One interesting fact, the Taurus is made in USA. It's the first gun of theirs I've see with Made in USA on it. I bet it is the import points rules for small guns -- they probably do the metal bits in Brazil and the plastic frame in the US.
Thought this was interesting. . .
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I keyed in on the same ones.
#11 sxt is a renamed, I believe, black talon.
I looked up the specs on the S&W Bodyguard 380 and was a little shocked
They list the MSRP at $399, but Gander Mtn had it for $529..
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_765772_-1_757892_757752_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y (http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_765772_-1_757892_757752_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y)
Not everyone checks msrp
Sometimes makers enforce MAP (minimum advertised pricing) but there's nothing to stop them from selling at list or above it.
MSC is notorious for this. I've seen them sell Dynabrade tools at 10% off but what they do first is mark the list price up 10% before they discount.
Everyones in business to make money.
Your duty as a shopper is to be savvy.
I am just surprised because the S&W MSRP isn't THAT much more than the other models, I don't know why Gander would want to price it out of the picture for most people.
The Ruger was $329 and is functionally similar -- the S&W's laser sight might tip that extra $70 if they were selling at MSRP, but they were asking $529. Just not worth it,esp given the setup isn't THAT great. The difference in the trigger on the Taurus was phenomenal. I expect the KelTec to feel like a staplegun, but the S&W I'd expect to be perfect and it was no different.
Pulling the Taurus trigger was like slicing warm butter.
I see what you're saying.
Hard too say what goes on at GM in the decision making office.
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 14, 2010, 04:34:02 PM
I keyed in on the same ones.
#11 sxt is a renamed, I believe, black talon.
You are correct. It is what we are issued BTW.
That's probally good. They look destructive.
I can't tell you how many rounds I've put through this one.
Marlin Model 70, 22lr
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5204/5263791814_e4af31ae6d.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/32381491@N07/5263791814/)
100_2772 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/32381491@N07/5263791814/#) by anzalone22 (http://www.flickr.com/people/32381491@N07/), on Flickr
Quote from: The Architect on December 15, 2010, 07:20:36 AM
I can't tell you how many rounds I've put through this one.
is it a secret??
Quote from: ducatiz on December 15, 2010, 07:50:27 AM
is it a secret??
I don't remember. I know it's been a few bricks. And I haven't cleaned the gun in many years. :-\ Think that could be an issue? I'll clean it soon..............
Quote from: The Architect on December 15, 2010, 08:24:29 AM
I don't remember. I know it's been a few bricks. And I haven't cleaned the gun in many years. :-\ Think that could be an issue? I'll clean it soon..............
I doubt it
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=68486 (http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=68486)
yuck
Quote from: oldfastwin on December 15, 2010, 01:25:32 PM
Can you say surface rust? It's not horrible but has some pitting and a lot of it was removed with some 0000 steel wool. Thankfully it's seen a MAJOR cleaning and a generous amount of oil and TLC. [thumbsup] Everything Dad owned had a nice patina, it didn't matter what it was made of. [laugh] Thank God the .22 model 94 was somehow spared and looks pretty nice, of course it is a lot newer.
My pop didn't put his stuff in the back of a truck. he slathered 3 in 1 oil on everything and stuck it in the closet. Most of his guns were bring-backs from WW2 and Korea, a lot of fun stuff...
let's see some pics. ;D
can you post pics of the rifle, cant see it on other forum..
Quote from: cokey on December 15, 2010, 03:13:47 PM
can you post pics of the rifle, cant see it on other forum..
Do they let you look at pics of firearms in NYC?
[evil]
Quote from: cokey on December 15, 2010, 03:13:47 PM
can you post pics of the rifle, cant see it on other forum..
I actually joined up just so I could see the pics.
They're bad.
Bad, bad, bad.
legal guns.. na.. >;]
come on guys...
no gun law/politics.
Please.
Post a gun pic!
Get this thread back on track!
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_s2xVQH67xRI/TQoGbRn0ZSI/AAAAAAAAAxM/4miCke-Dh1I/s800/FN1300T_a.JPG)
FN1300 12 ga. with speed feed stock above.
How's a speed feed stock work?
If you look at the unmounted stock, you can see a cavity that holds extra shells in the stock. Shells are held in with spring tension.
That Winchester 1300 design is my favorite pump shotgun. I think I have over a half dozen of them. I can run them faster than any other pump shotgun. 1300's have won me a pile of shotgun combat matches, killed deer, ducks, geese, pheasants, grouse, woodcock, and especially ...wabbits! I think my fastest time at the 2nd Chance Combat Shoot on 8 bowling pins was 3.8 or 3.9 seconds - those guns are quick.
The only thing I don't like about their tactical model is the short corncob pump handle. I think it makes you extend your pump hand out too far for speed and comfort. I found a longer, synthetic pump handle and installed it. The only problem with that is it precludes using a sidesaddle for extra shells as the longer pump handle comes back around the sides of the receiver at the back of the pump stroke.
Another issue is using them in extremely cold weather. A couple of times hunting grouse in Northern Wisconsin between 20 to 30 below 0F, they would lock up hard. Of course the only time that will be an issue is if your are stupid enough to be trudging around in the snow in those kind of conditions.
Got a surprise new addition last night. I'll post a pic sometime this evening...if I ever get home, that is.
Quote from: rgramjet on December 16, 2010, 06:11:16 AM
If you look at the unmounted stock, you can see a cavity that holds extra shells in the stock. Shells are held in with spring tension.
I did see that.
What I was wondering is if it was just for storage.
Quote from: oldfastwin on December 16, 2010, 08:41:22 AM
I personally like Side Saddle carriers mounted on the receiver. Maintains the balance of the shotgun and if you are right handed it allows you to maintain a constant firing condition while your left hand draws the out the rounds for a tactical load.
Nice shotgun.
All the money made on people buying stuff for "tactical" reasons cracks me up.
The newest addition. An early Xmas present.
LMT MRP Defender 16"
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5049/5267306808_78ae1c0e34_b.jpg)
I guess it was originally just going to be the upper to go on the lower I already have but the price came out to be roughly the same after putting it together, so it turned into the whole rifle. I just need to change the stock and trigger.
I'm thinking this means my original lower is going to end up as an SBR.
Quote from: hbliam on December 16, 2010, 01:57:50 PM
Nice shotgun.
All the money made on people buying stuff for "tactical" reasons cracks me up.
I think most folks would probably never find themselves in a "tactical" situation anyhow
and if they did
I doubt their "tactical" gear would help them much
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 16, 2010, 02:26:06 PM
I think most folks would probably never find themselves in a "tactical" situation anyhow
and if they did
I doubt their "tactical" gear would help them much
Maybe true, maybe not. BUT, I will say that I have a light mounted to each weapon that I own that may ever be grabbed during a defensive situation.
you're not most folks. . .
more pictures...
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 16, 2010, 02:26:06 PM
I think most folks would probably never find themselves in a "tactical" situation anyhow
and if they did
I doubt their "tactical" gear would help them much
Exactly my point.
You can't have a pic only thread...
We don't do this with any other topic...
Some people like pic only threads and some don't care. Some will take the time to google pics if there's just discussion about a particular item.
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 16, 2010, 03:21:10 PM
You can't have a pic only thread...
We don't do this with any other topic...
We kind of do that with the Misc cool Eyetalian bikes. Sure there's the brief...I like that...or...that's [puke] discussion but it stays basically as a pic thread.
It's really about what the people that participate in/follow this thread want. You guys let me know. I'll pull the trigger. ;D
Well, this is Trey's thread, so I think he should have a say as to whether or not it gets merged...
Im happy to have both but I vote for merge
I think ill get in trouble less that way ;D
Cool wood grain [thumbsup]
It's sent many an unfortunate squirrel to that great oak tree in the sky.
Its an early Hatfield rifle, 36 cal flinter. 39" rust browned barrel and tiger stripe stock. When you come out of the woods with a limit of squirrels with a flinter, it feels like you accomplished something. Probably the prettiest rifle I own. Shoots a patched round ball with 20 grains of Swiss 3F black powder and 4F in the pan. 7/8" English gunflints when I can find them. I've also used some high end cut agate flints, which work real well also.
I'll have to post pics of T's rifle sometime
Use the panoramic mode
That thing is a mile long
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 16, 2010, 07:22:10 PM
Use the panoramic mode
That thing is a mile long
I forgot...
you've seen it....
mile long is a good description. [laugh]
Quote from: WarrenJ on December 16, 2010, 07:06:07 PM
When you come out of the woods with a limit of squirrels...
There's a limit!?
A limit is the number of squirrels I want to clean at one setting.
Quote from: WarrenJ on December 16, 2010, 08:50:07 PM
A limit is the number of squirrels I want to clean at one setting.
which for me would be -1
i'll clean a deer but cleaning skwerrals is just ridiculous.
They seem to be unreasonably attached to their skin.
[laugh]
So true
Quote from: WarrenJ on December 17, 2010, 05:49:00 AM
They seem to be unreasonably attached to their skin.
Plus, no one makes a "butt out" tool for skwerrals
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=546793 (http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=546793)
I love the hand-drawn diagram.
Well hell, guess I ought put up some pictures too...
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-ash1/v26/25/87/13735265/n13735265_31618699_7656.jpg)
Top is my pre-ban Colt AR-15 carbine. Had this thing since I was 8 (old man wanted to make sure me and my brother had good guns in case it came to be that we wouldn't be able to). Even with the scope mounted so high up and the 16" barrel, I've taken rabbits at 300 yards, and using the iron sights through the mount I picked one off on the run at about 15 yards.
Below it is my Kimber TLE/RL II 1911. More accurate than I am. Rabbits at 20 yds pretty easy.
Then, the old man's Grizzly Big Bore .50BMG. It's a single shot bullpup... you actually remove the but to put in a new round.
I got the parts from Blue Grouse Muzzleloaders. I do not think he is currently in business. He was getting the old Hopkins and Allen parts. They are super simple, the trigger guard is the mainspring. They have incredibly fast locktimes and at least the two I have, are pretty accurate. I've only shot two squirrels with this one. My flinter lays a big guilt trip on me if I don't take it. Using the underhammer is almost like cheating.
Nice LAR 50. A friend of mine built 50's for a few years and I did most of his demo and test shooting around the country. They are certainly interesting.
(https://lh5.ggpht.com/_om0JErZHvOU/TQvN8jQnj8I/AAAAAAAAR7A/TWbteccn_Us/s800/IMAG0637.jpg)
Sig 250 Subcompact in 9mm. Holds 12, nose heavy but nice to shoot, handle is small but it packs nicely. Im waiting for a better selection of MOB holsters. Still getting used to the DAO.
Quote from: rgramjet on December 17, 2010, 01:19:51 PM
handle is small but it packs nicely.
And how would a MoCo boy like you know such a thing? ;D
Quote from: DRKWNG on December 17, 2010, 02:07:47 PM
And how would a MoCo boy like you know such a thing? ;D
I try to spend as much time in VA as possible.....
Quote from: oldfastwin on December 17, 2010, 03:08:44 PM
Is that AR an old pre-ban Sporter Lightweight. Kinda looks like one. That's my behind the closet door farm gun with an original Surefire Millennium fore end. I'm thinking mine has a bayonet lug. Looks like yours doesn't. I've had mine a good long time but I was a little older than 8 when I got it! [laugh] Neat stuff you got there! [thumbsup]
edit: You know the more I think about it I don't believe mine has the lug either. I'll check it out next time I'm at the farm.
Yup, Sporter Lightweight. Brother got the HBAR 'cause he was older and could handle the weight better. [thumbsup]
Explain pre-ban for the noob please
Whats wrong with Grenade Launcher tabs??
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_om0JErZHvOU/TCeXhq5essI/AAAAAAAAR3Y/qI7GKhieGVM/s800/Picture%20004.jpg)
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 17, 2010, 08:59:04 PM
Explain pre-ban for the noob please
Pre-ban describes "assault weapons" manufactured before the 1994 Federal Assault Weapon Act. "Assault weapons" (not assault rifles, which are select-fire or simply full auto) were described as such:
QuoteSemi-automatic rifles able to accept detachable magazines and two or more of the following:
Folding or telescoping stock
Pistol grip
Bayonet mount
Flash suppressor, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one
Grenade launcher (more precisely, a muzzle device which enables the launching or firing of rifle grenades)
Semi-automatic pistols with detachable magazines and two or more of the following:
Magazine that attaches outside the pistol grip
Threaded barrel to attach barrel extender, flash suppressor, handgrip, or suppressor
Barrel shroud that can be used as a hand-hold
Unloaded weight of 50 oz (1.4 kg) or more
A semi-automatic version of an automatic firearm
Semi-automatic shotguns with two or more of the following:
Folding or telescoping stock
Pistol grip
Fixed capacity of more than 5 rounds
Detachable magazine
So, pretty much having two or more of anything that was cool was banned. For example, you could have an AR-15 (semi-auto with detachable mag and pistol grip) with a collapsing stock, or a flash suppressor, but not both. Putting an aftermarket collapsing stock on a gun with a flash suppressor would be illegal too, IFIRC.
Guns manufactured prior to the ban were grandfathered in, and remained legal. Thus, pre-ban guns and magazines were worth a SHIT TON more than post ban rifles until the act expired in 2004. Unfortunately, prices didn't drop... the manufacturers just realized they could charge that much and people would still buy. The term is kinda moot these days, since you can get all the goodies in most states no problem, but I'm still proud of having a pre-ban AR-15 by god.
Quote from: oldfastwin on December 17, 2010, 09:42:47 PM
Absolutely nothing! [thumbsup] I think we all need a M203 grenade launcher. It could very well cure a lot of our culture's ills. [thumbsup]
Nothing like a .223 and .308 platform. [thumbsup] Does the "biggin'" use M1A mags?
The Biggun is a Rock River LAR8. It uses metric and inch FAL mags. I found that to be a nice feature as they cost $5-$10 at gun shows.
I say no merge, since it's my thread.
Keep posting pics here, but let us divert the discussion of firearm awesomeness to the other thread.
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs484.ash1/26475_386148714039_500079039_3688642_5188882_n.jpg)
edit: Mossberg M500 on the left, M-14 with ACOG optics and A/N PEQ-15 on the right
Quote from: zzilla on December 18, 2010, 02:49:23 AM
I say no merge, since it's my thread.
Keep posting pics here, but let us divert the discussion of firearm awesomeness to the other thread.
<snip>
Then it's settled.
Quote from: oldfastwin on December 18, 2010, 07:32:16 AM
Dumbass report here! [bang] I have both FALs and M1As and know the damn difference in mags. [bang] I have no freaking idea why I typed M1A and not FAL. I type a lot of stupid shit. :P I have actually never shot a .308 AR. Don't know anyone who has one. Guess I need to make more friends!! [laugh]
Makes a nice big boom!
The AR10 magazine is based on M1A mags. Not sure if they are directly interchangeable.
Similar rifles, you werent too far off. [thumbsup]
It's a bit finnicky about which magazines will seat/drop free. I would say about 50% of the milsurp FAL mags I buy work like butter. 25% need a little tweaking and the final 25% are a lost cause. I have a box of rejects.
If I was smart, I'd lug the beast to the local gun show and test fit each mag before I buy.....too much like work.
M1A mags will not work in an AR-10. Magpul is now making AR-10 mags - if they are anything like most of their other products, they should be great.
Whew, glad someone posted a pic
For a second there I thought I was in the gun stuff thread
;D
Bring it!
;D
Quote from: rgramjet on December 17, 2010, 10:22:58 PM
It uses metric and inch FAL mags. I found that to be a nice feature as they cost $5-$10 at gun shows.
Where have you found $5-10 FAL mags? The cheapest I found at the last gun show in Chantilly was $15, and those were Korean mfg.
Quote from: Dannyboy on December 18, 2010, 07:34:57 PM
Where have you found $5-10 FAL mags? The cheapest I found at the last gun show in Chantilly was $15, and those were Korean mfg.
I think Midway or CDNN had them for $6 if you buy 10. Ill look.
Quote from: humorless dp on December 18, 2010, 06:44:13 AM
I like that idea.
Then when you make the beast with two backs up I can kill two threads. ;D
The grin does have a calming effect. :-*
You guys are coming very close to losing your gun threads.
The OP wants this as a pic thread...do that.
Notice...
no grin.
Some of my toys.
(http://catie.smugmug.com/Photo-Contest/Photo-Contest/pics-003/275660160_w4Qy6-M.jpg)
LRB M14sa, Big Red Birch Stock and all USGI S.A parts and barrel
(http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee91/visigoth9/BigRedWin002.jpg)
Old stick:
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z53/b_upton/Guns/DSC_0005-2.jpg)
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z53/b_upton/Guns/DSC_0006-2.jpg)
Newer stick:
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z53/b_upton/Guns/DSC_0020-1.jpg)
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z53/b_upton/Guns/DSC_0021-1.jpg)
Aimpoint is on the new stick now. :D
Quote from: AeroGeek on December 19, 2010, 08:27:12 AM
Some of my toys.
(http://catie.smugmug.com/Photo-Contest/Photo-Contest/pics-003/275660160_w4Qy6-M.jpg)
What's the one on the bottom?
GSG?
Ahh. Ok.
Happy switch?
Quote from: vincheung on December 19, 2010, 07:14:27 PM
Nice to see another mp5er! [thumbsup] Im not a cool kid with the K but im lucky enough to have the hk94 in New York.
Awesome!
Mine is an S&H sear in a converted SP89, so not a true K.
Quote from: oldfastwin on December 19, 2010, 07:30:15 PM
Mine is a legally converted 94 with the three lug barrel. Had it since summer 1989 and it's never jammed, burped or hiccuped! Not once. [thumbsup] And I've run everything through it. You name it: Blazer, Rem, Fed, S&B, Fiocchi, Norinco, corrosive surplus shit. Tough little guns. [bow_down] [bacon]
Mine will jam quickly with the aluminum Blazer. WWB is its favorite of the cheap stuff.
Here it is with the beta mag. Completely useless. You can't get a good grip on it at all.
(http://catie.smugmug.com/MP5K/MP5K/MP5K-012/242582053_a4j6w-M.jpg)
My AI .308 and a poser shot.
(http://catie.smugmug.com/photos/649280877_ToEie-M.jpg)
(http://catie.smugmug.com/photos/375830287_oyyA9-O.jpg)
Quote from: DRKWNG on December 19, 2010, 09:16:31 AM
Newer stick:
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z53/b_upton/Guns/DSC_0020-1.jpg)
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z53/b_upton/Guns/DSC_0021-1.jpg)
Aimpoint is on the new stick now. :D
I like your new stick. Even with your artsy furniture.
(http://www.arthurshall.com/images/custom_images/guns_girl.jpg)
Found you a new one ;D
Quote from: AeroGeek on December 19, 2010, 09:04:26 PM
My AI .308 and a poser shot.
(http://catie.smugmug.com/photos/375830287_oyyA9-O.jpg)
You took that beef-alo with an AI gun? I hope he was honored!
Where was this? That walking steak looks very shaggy.
Quote from: oldfastwin on December 20, 2010, 06:59:26 AM
DRKWNG, is that a Surefire Scout light on the new stick? Looks a little bit like one size-wise but the jagged bezel is throwing me off. Didn't think they offered that feature on the Scout. Nice new stick! [thumbsup]
It's an LED two cell Defender model, in a LaRue offset mount. I shoot long guns left-handed, and this mount puts the switch in the perfect spot for my right thumb. The rifle has different furniture on it at the moment, and I just took another pic, but I can't find the cable to pull the pic off the camera. lol
Quote from: zzilla on December 20, 2010, 01:19:47 AM
I like your new stick. Even with your artsy furniture.
The old one was "artsy" as well. Just had a mix of FDE and foliage panels where the new one is FDE and black.
But we all know you just like stick. ;D
Quote from: ducatiz on December 20, 2010, 04:40:48 AM
You took that beef-alo with an AI gun? I hope he was honored!
Where was this? That walking steak looks very shaggy.
North Morgan Creek Ranch outside Abilene, TX. The guide told me to be prepared for a long shot, so I brought the AI. I wasn't aware that his idea of a long shot was 150 yards [bang] [laugh] She was about 200 yards out, and my guide told me that I'd have to wait until she came closer. I laughed and dropped her.
Quote from: AeroGeek on December 20, 2010, 07:56:36 AM
North Morgan Creek Ranch outside Abilene, TX. The guide told me to be prepared for a long shot, so I brought the AI. I wasn't aware that his idea of a long shot was 150 yards [bang] [laugh] She was about 200 yards out, and my guide told me that I'd have to wait until she came closer. I laughed and dropped her.
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Found the cable.
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z53/b_upton/Guns/DSC00195.jpg)
Knight's Armament SR-15E3 w/stuff.
Quote from: oldfastwin on December 20, 2010, 08:41:42 AM
What's the Aimpoint mounted in?
LaRue's M68 mount. I like this piece a lot actually. It's quick detach capable, with exceptionally minimal shift in point of impact when re-installed. It places the optic at the perfect height for my field of view (the EoTech always felt too low) and still allows lower third co-witness of the irons. It also has a spare battery compartment in the base of the mount. [thumbsup]
http://stores.homestead.com/Laruetactical/catalog/P1011699.JPG (http://stores.homestead.com/Laruetactical/catalog/P1011699.JPG)
Quote from: oldfastwin on December 20, 2010, 08:41:42 AM
And if you're out of ammo and they rush you can chest poke 'em real hard with the flash hider. ;D
Still got about a hundred rounds left, so it's time to start shopping.
Saved ya.
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z53/b_upton/Guns/Kimber1.jpg)
[laugh]
It actually is a Kimber. Warrior model to be specific.
Was about to say... that thing screams kimber.
And here's my old 220. Had this thing for close to 20 years now...
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z53/b_upton/Guns/DSC_0022.jpg)
Quote from: DRKWNG on December 20, 2010, 12:02:56 PM
And here's my old 220. Had this thing for close to 20 years now...
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z53/b_upton/Guns/DSC_0022.jpg)
What caliber? I have that in .45. It's typically SIG nice, but it is jsut so damn big.
My Sig P250 in a TT Gunleather IWB w/Shark. My favorite carry piece and my favorite holster [thumbsup]
(http://catie.smugmug.com/MP5K/MP5K/Shark-013/312004932_EY2se-M.jpg)
2000 rounds in one week, with zero issues.
(http://catie.smugmug.com/Photo-Contest/Photo-Contest/pics-062/285222309_pF5uZ-M.jpg)
Quote from: ducatiz on December 20, 2010, 12:10:31 PM
What caliber? I have that in .45. It's typically SIG nice, but it is jsut so damn big.
Mine's a .45 as well. And you're right, it shoots really nice but is on the large size for a carry gun. Unless of course you're carrying on the outside.
Quote from: DRKWNG on December 20, 2010, 12:14:37 PM
Mine's a .45 as well. And you're right, it shoots really nice but is on the large size for a carry gun. Unless of course you're carrying on the outside.
Outside of a Buick maybe.
Quote from: oldfastwin on December 20, 2010, 03:54:04 PM
Finally got on Kimber's website and found your gun. Did you have the trigger changed? It looks Videcki-ish and their pics show a solid trigger. Damn those sights look like Novaks!
Other than the light, and the original recoil spring being replaced, mine's all stock. Looks like the one on their site to me.
http://www.kimberamerica.com/products/pistols/custom/warrior/ (http://www.kimberamerica.com/products/pistols/custom/warrior/)
Guess you need to get your prescription checked. ;D
Quote from: oldfastwin on December 20, 2010, 03:54:04 PM
I avoid most gun forums because of the ever present BS and mall ninjas. I'd rather chat about guns on the DMF.
JuDDddDDDDdDDD's gone man, no need to keep bringing him up. [evil]
Under my desk:
About 2000 rds of Hirtenberger, multiple spam cans of 8mm, 7.62x54 and 3 1/2 boxes of 7.5 swiss. Also a picture of me from a while back.
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/DMF/274a49ad.jpg)
Overflow drawer. Won't fit in the safe:
Clockwise from top right: Colt MkIV Officer's, Colt King Cobra, S&W M38, Glock 17, PAC 1911. I have a few of the snubbies hidden around the house.
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/DMF/11f9851a.jpg)
Ahhhh... Colt revolvers. I miss my old Anaconda.
Quote from: DRKWNG on December 20, 2010, 07:13:11 PM
Ahhhh... Colt revolvers. I miss my old Anaconda.
The Anaconda in 44mag, right? I had one and sold it to my friend. I also have a Cobra, and a Diamondback. I wanted to get the Python and have one of all the Colt snake guns, but I was single and thought I had alll the time in the world.. lol.. I gave that up and sold the Anaconda after being begged for it. Plus, I don't love shooting 44mag in a revolver...
Quote from: oldfastwin on December 20, 2010, 07:27:08 PM
I had a SIG AMT in .308 and a SIG PE57 in 7.5x55 Swiss a while back. Loved the AMT
egad, i would love a 57
Quote
You need to post a pic of whatever you have that shoots 7.5 Swiss!!! [thumbsup]
it's a K31. I like bolt guns. i bought a shitload of the ammo when it was still cheap. i say that a lot, i think. my wife doesn't understand why i "need" so much ammunition lying around..
I bought a pallet of Tokarev ammo -- I don't even have a gun to fire it. I am eyeballing a Glock 21 -- cut a new barrel. Of course, some guy is making AR15 blowback uppers that fire Tokarev ammo.. that would be fun -- get an 11" SBR using 7.62x25..
Quote from: ducatiz on December 20, 2010, 07:23:55 PM
The Anaconda in 44mag, right? I had one and sold it to my friend.
Mine was a 4" in .45 Colt. Also had a five-shot cylinder made for it to run HOT loads. Sold it years ago to a friend of my pops, and have been trying to get it back since.
Just ordered this:
(http://sgcusa.com/images/large/Remington_870_Home_Defense_A.jpg)
That'll do! [thumbsup] You'll love that 870.
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 06, 2010, 02:53:56 PM
I think I might be an addict now :P
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/900rider/Gun%20Stuff/2010-12-06_17-38-04_857.jpg)
Update.
I love this gun.
Love it.
Was at the range yesterday with my dad and a friend and put 100 or so though it.
It's better than I am. If I take my time and stick with the basics I can get a 1" group with it at 8 or 10 yards.
No FTE's with my load I came up with but did have a bunch of FTF's. WarranJ's right, if the primer isn't seated all the way it won't go bang.
I loaded brand new Starline brass and had more than a little trouble with primers. Some of my trouble was with press setup and after I got that solved they went in easier. I feel that because the brass is new the fit is a little tight. I think on loading #2 they'll be fine.
Anyway, this is a great gun. Fits my hand well (I have a big hand) and handles well.
[thumbsup]
I'm not a reloader but I'm sure you'll get it down. Will you reload your defense ammo or go store bought?
No way I'd load my own carry ammo!
I'll pickup some critical defense when the time comes.
[thumbsup]
Quote from: Monsterlover on January 03, 2011, 09:53:41 AM
No way I'd load my own carry ammo!
I'll pickup some critical defense when the time comes.
Good call. It's much easier to stay well clear of potential litigation by using commercially available ammo for that sort of purpose. [thumbsup]
Quote from: DRKWNG on January 03, 2011, 11:09:24 AM
Good call. It's much easier to stay well clear of potential litigation by using commercially available ammo for that sort of purpose. [thumbsup]
There's no known case of litigation over home-rolled ammo. I would add, the chances are fairly small too.
Quote from: ducatiz on January 03, 2011, 11:47:32 AM
There's no known case of litigation over home-rolled ammo. I would add, the chances are fairly small too.
Ok, maybe litigation wasn't the right word. Lots of LEOs will tell you though that it looks better if the shooter had used store bought ammo versus "roll your own".
pic thread.
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z53/b_upton/Guns/nerf-vulcan-blaster-0508-de.jpg)
/Threadjack
50s Kollmorgen scope and mounts in the "other stuff for sale" section
Threadjack/
Since I'm also posting pics I figured a shameless plug was ok :)
Springfield XD 9mm Compensated Barrel
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/Jervisaurus/DSCN1459.jpg)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/Jervisaurus/DSCN1461.jpg)
1950 Remington 722 Varmint
Well wouldn't you know Photobucket goes down the minute I try and get this stuff loaded. I'll check back later and see if they're available.
How's that xd with the porting compared to without?
My kid has that belt fed nerf gun. It was on the "I gotta have it" Xmas list last year. Kind of a nerf friendly M249. ;D
Quote from: Monsterlover on January 03, 2011, 05:25:54 PM
How's that xd with the porting compared to without?
In a word: Meh. It's showy and it sounds cool as hell, but I've shot an XDm and I think the match grade trigger makes more of a difference in the overall feel honestly.
Quote from: Jarvicious on January 03, 2011, 02:39:11 PM
/Threadjack
50s Kollmorgen scope and mounts in the "other stuff for sale" section
Threadjack/
Since I'm also posting pics I figured a shameless plug was ok :)
Springfield XD 9mm Compensated Barrel
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/Jervisaurus/DSCN1459.jpg)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/Jervisaurus/DSCN1461.jpg)
1950 Remington 722 Varmint
Well wouldn't you know Photobucket goes down the minute I try and get this stuff loaded. I'll check back later and see if they're available.
That has to be the worst Derby of all time.
You derbyed pics that YOU took!
[cheeky]
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=17338.msg306054#msg306054 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=17338.msg306054#msg306054)
(p.s. - I'd like some sort of award for remembering a thread from 2 years ago.)
Quote from: Rameses on January 03, 2011, 09:33:49 PM
(p.s. - I'd like some sort of award for remembering a thread from 2 years ago.)
(http://www.clipartguide.com/_named_clipart_images/0511-1001-2519-1742_Girl_Getting_a_Pat_on_the_Back_for_a_Job_Well_Done_clipart_image.jpg)
;D
Quote from: Rameses on January 03, 2011, 09:33:49 PM
That has to be the worst Derby of all time.
You derbyed pics that YOU took!
[cheeky]
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=17338.msg306054#msg306054 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=17338.msg306054#msg306054)
(p.s. - I'd like some sort of award for remembering a thread from 2 years ago.)
Ya know, I kinda remembered showing this thing off somewhere [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] Doesn't mean it's not fun to look at :) There ARE like 80 freakin pages of this thred.
Quote from: Jarvicious on January 04, 2011, 06:43:07 AM
Ya know, I kinda remembered showing this thing off somewhere [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] Doesn't mean it's not fun to look at :) There ARE like 80 freakin pages of this thred.
True. But you did post that in this thread.
You started a thread just for that gun. ;)
Quote from: The Architect on January 04, 2011, 05:30:29 AM
(http://www.clipartguide.com/_named_clipart_images/0511-1001-2519-1742_Girl_Getting_a_Pat_on_the_Back_for_a_Job_Well_Done_clipart_image.jpg)
;D
Nice!
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Quote from: vincheung on January 05, 2011, 09:45:04 PM
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5288/5328875241_cd01369401_z.jpg)
Added a High Standard K-1200 18-7 Riot Deluxe 12 Gauge to the collection. 1970-71 build.
Updated List - http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=25903.msg738559#msg738559 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=25903.msg738559#msg738559)
i love the jeweled bolts on the HS shotguns. so sexy.
Very nice scattergun indeed! Congrats on the addition. [thumbsup] [clap]
In addition to the Remington 870 I picked up last week, I've also got a really nice Colt officer's ACP:
(https://lh5.ggpht.com/_8C15Mi_ppXE/TTo_aZ_NG6I/AAAAAAAAAS8/UzEpvM5PHwk/s640/IMG_20110121_182118.jpg)
It's maybe had 200 rounds through it, but I'll be getting it dirty this weekend.
4 incher?
I like those grips...
The Officer's ACP is a 3.5" barrel. Thanks; I like those grips as well.
Hmmm..officers..
7 round mag?
You can get Officer mags with 7 rounds but that would be considered a +1 nag. Original standard capacity is 6. Or just slap a full size 10 round mag in there! Of course it would stick out like a telephone pole!! [laugh]
At long last...I finally got my Python. Behold
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5047/5378548972_a65d40d977_b.jpg)
Elation mixed with serious buyer's remorse. I told myself I wasn't buying anything else for a while. Alas, I saw it and I had to have it.
"Big bada boom"
Quote from: Dannyboy on January 22, 2011, 10:07:11 AM
At long last...I finally got my Python. Behold
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5047/5378548972_a65d40d977_b.jpg)
Elation mixed with serious buyer's remorse. I told myself I wasn't buying anything else for a while. Alas, I saw it and I had to have it.
NICE!!
No remorse should be felt at all. I told myself a long time ago that any anaconda i see will be bought on sight as long as it is in good shape. Great hand-guns that are more and more difficult to find.
I have three Pythons and I love them!! One is a Combat Python, it came from the factory with a 3" barrel. Don't see too many. All are that BEAUTIFUL mile deep Python blue. The other two are standard 4" barrel wheel guns. One of my favorite revolvers ever. [thumbsup] Hope you enjoy it! Wait. How could you not?? ;D
QuoteI told myself a long time ago that any anaconda i see will be bought on sight as long as it is in good shape.
That's exactly why I grabbed it. I've been looking for one for way too long. The remorse is mainly because I really couldn't afford it...oh well.
QuoteAll are that BEAUTIFUL mile deep Python blue.
I really wanted a blue one but I couldn't pass this up. The price, the condition, etc. but especially the price. It came in the original box with the manual and assorted other things, including a letter from the President of Colt.
Doesn't matter what you paid for it. It was a great buy. The Python revolvers are going through the roof! Especially if you got the matching serial # box and manual. My factory 3" Combat Python is worth a hell of a lot more than I ever paid for it. And it's going no where... regardless of price. They are awesome wheelguns and some gunsmiths have specialized in working on them. Their internal workings are really different than your basic S&W K frame. It takes someone who really knows what the hell they are doing to slick up the trigger and cylinder timing. My Pythons and my 3rd gen Colt SAAs are my most treasured wheel guns. [thumbsup] OK... that and my WWII Navy issue 1911 in stock condition. But it's not a revolver. Duh... [bang] [laugh] But it's a Colt!
Enjoy the snake gun. You'll get over the buyer's remorse in no time!! Meh... who cares if your credit card payment is late? You have a make the beast with two backsing Python!!!! [laugh] [popcorn] [bow_down]
Can I have one forr free... ;/
(http://i1234.photobucket.com/albums/ff406/DucatiRocket/Guns.jpg)
Yep, That is a black super redhawk. Robar did the Ruger and the Wilson pin slayer, I built the Springfield for my carry piece.
Nice trio of handguns. [thumbsup] What's the barrel comp on your pin gun?
Quote from: oldfastwin on January 23, 2011, 10:39:37 AM
Nice trio of handguns. [thumbsup] What's the barrel comp on your pin gun?
Wilson built it so I imagine it is his, It works very well. I shoot Corbon 230gr at pins and they will let you feel the power.
I'm a Corbon fan for personal defense ammo. [thumbsup]
How much difference does the compensator make?
Quote from: Dannyboy on January 22, 2011, 10:07:11 AM
At long last...I finally got my Python. Behold
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5047/5378548972_a65d40d977_b.jpg)
Elation mixed with serious buyer's remorse. I told myself I wasn't buying anything else for a while. Alas, I saw it and I had to have it.
I am the same way with my new dress......sorry about the threadjack , but hey our brains work alike. Gotta have it! [laugh]
Quote from: badgalbetty on January 24, 2011, 06:38:35 AM
I am the same way with my new dress......sorry about the threadjack , but hey our brains work alike. Gotta have it! [laugh]
Really?
Any misgivings I may have had disappeared as soon as I shot the damn thing. Holy sheepshaggers, this thing is incredibly accurate. By far, the most accurate pistol I own. And the trigger is awesome. Well, in single action, anyway.
QuoteYou'll get over the buyer's remorse in no time!! Meh... who cares if your credit card payment is late?
That's not exactly what I meant by not being able to afford it. I had the cash but now my 848 fund is significantly lower.
Quote from: Monsterlover on January 23, 2011, 08:33:28 PM
How much difference does the compensator make?
Having shot it with and without, it is a world of difference. Depending on the load it has 50% less jump. Not so much less recoil but it keeps everything level. I found the lighter and faster the rounds are the more it works.
Just like a Duc.... [laugh]
Quote from: Dannyboy on January 24, 2011, 05:13:53 PM
Any misgivings I may have had disappeared as soon as I shot the damn thing. Holy sheepshaggers, this thing is incredibly accurate. By far, the most accurate pistol I own. And the trigger is awesome. Well, in single action, anyway.
That's not exactly what I meant by not being able to afford it. I had the cash but now my 848 fund is significantly lower.
They are really special wheel guns. If you ever had the chance to shoot a Python that has been slicked up it would re-define butter for you. [laugh]
I have slicked up J, K/L and N framed S&W revolvers which are incredibly nice guns!! [thumbsup] But my Pythons are in a class by them selves. Just my personal opinion that really doesn't mean shit to others but it does to me. Twenty bucks says some Ruger wheel gun guys can say the same thing... actually I have a couple of Weigand SP-101 Rugers that kick ass!!! [thumbsup] Seriuosly, they are really nice.
What's always really cool is having a gun (wheel gun, auto pistol, rifle, lever action, etc.) that has issues and have a good smithy work it over and fix the issues and make it one of your favorites. I really think that is why folks that are into guns are also into scooters. It's a very similar world. [moto]
OK, more pics!
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 16, 2010, 07:22:10 PM
Use the panoramic mode
That thing is a mile long
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5214/5387840500_a9a2fb25a4_b.jpg)
Here's what I
think it is...
It's a 1777 model Charleville or pattern flintlock smoothbore musket that was converted to percussion cap. There is a date stamp on the lock plate of 1851.
The barrel is 42" long which would make it a cavalry model. The oal length without the bayonet is just over 57". It is a 69 caliber.
If anyone has any insight as to how to identify the manufacturer I'm all ears. I've scoured the web and really can't come up with any definitive answer on how to identify it.
That thing is cool
DP -- The National Muzzle Loading Rifle Assn. has a monthly column in their magazine Muzzle Blasts where folks send in photos & descriptions of the identifying marks of old guns. One of the nation's experts on antique arms gives her analysis of the piece and passes along any info she can find -- unfortunately, it doesn't appear that they put that column up online at http://www.nmlra.org/publication.asp (http://www.nmlra.org/publication.asp). If you're interested, I could pass along info to the NMLRA and get back to you any answer they offer.
Quote from: triangleforge on January 25, 2011, 08:37:59 AM
DP -- The National Muzzle Loading Rifle Assn. has a monthly column in their magazine Muzzle Blasts where folks send in photos & descriptions of the identifying marks of old guns. One of the nation's experts on antique arms gives her analysis of the piece and passes along any info she can find -- unfortunately, it doesn't appear that they put that column up online at http://www.nmlra.org/publication.asp (http://www.nmlra.org/publication.asp). If you're interested, I could pass along info to the NMLRA and get back to you any answer they offer.
Thanks! I'll pm you about details.
I need to take it apart to be able to see the important markings as they're hidden by the stock. I'm a little nervous about that. :P
The family story about the musket is it came over from Germany with GGF. This pattern was widely copied all over Europe and Russia, but I'm pretty sure it isn't Russian as there is no Imperial Eagle stamp anywhere it should appear.
All of the furniture on this one is steel which leads me to believe it's a pattern as opposed to a French musket. The confusing thing is the finger grooves behind the trigger guard.
That was one of the features of the 1777 model and wasn't usually copied on the patterns that I can find in any photos.
Nice one hdp! [thumbsup] I feel blessed to have my grandfather's Winchester model 12 in 12 gauge. I'd love to find out when it was made. Got its' "little sister" from Dad when he passed, a Win model 42. But that musket and the family history are really cool! Hope you and triangleforge get it figured out. Post up results if you do. [popcorn]
Just to be clear, the musket belongs to T.
Still cool! ;)
So I took the musket apart today and took some pics and new measurements after I saw something on the barrel. It's a 70 cal...and I think it's Russian despite what I thought before.
If you look at the markings on the barrel it looks like an Imperial Eagle is stamped along with some markings that don't look like English letters.
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5179/5401935013_0979ec7a5d_b.jpg)
If you look at the pic of the inside of the lock along with some numbers there is a marking near the front above the spring that looks like a pick. That marking also appears on the barrel.
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5215/5401810747_f2c278534a_b.jpg)
Anyway triangleforge has offered to submit the info to an expert on antique muskets to see if I can find out more about it.
Does it take 30 round magazines? [laugh] Went back to DP did you? Glad you relocated your humor! [thumbsup] I'd love to hear the story on this one. Post up what you guys (and the expert) turn up. [popcorn] Curious minds want to know.
+1
Did you buy it from Boris the Blade? http://sneakymake the beast with two backsingrussian.com/ (http://sneakymake%20the%20beast%20with%20two%20backsingrussian.com/)
Quote from: ducpainter on January 30, 2011, 03:41:38 PM
So I took the musket apart today and took some pics and new measurements after I saw something on the barrel. It's a 70 cal...and I think it's Russian despite what I thought before.
Anyway triangleforge has offered to submit the info to an expert on antique muskets to see if I can find out more about it.
Just send the pics to that gun expert on Pawn Stars.
Picked up a new backup/ccw...
Ruger LCP with the laser (when all your packing is a .380, the intimidation factor of the laser may come in handy)
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz56/hbliam/1297372675.jpg?t=1297372984)
For size comparison with a S&W 342PD j frame
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz56/hbliam/1297372654.jpg?t=1297373068)
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz56/hbliam/1297372723.jpg?t=1297373087)
And with a business card and extra mag
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz56/hbliam/1297372712.jpg?t=1297373107)
Nice piece. I see a lot of similarities to my Ruger SR9C.
what turns on the laser?
The toaster died by way of an LCP. [laugh]
Is that what that was?
You hooligan.
Quote from: Monsterlover on February 10, 2011, 01:43:32 PM
what turns on the laser?
The button on the grip. Squeeze it...
doh, I missed that.
That's pretty slick.
I've got an LCP. Nice little pocket pistol. Nice pairing to my Kel-Tec .32 and .380. Having a mouse gun is better than no gun at all... and harsh language! Plus I have a bad knee and I can't run away like I used to. [laugh]
Quote from: ducpainter on January 30, 2011, 03:41:38 PM
So I took the musket apart today and took some pics and new measurements after I saw something on the barrel. It's a 70 cal...and I think it's Russian despite what I thought before.
If you look at the markings on the barrel it looks like an Imperial Eagle is stamped along with some markings that don't look like English letters.
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5179/5401935013_0979ec7a5d_b.jpg)
If you look at the pic of the inside of the lock along with some numbers there is a marking near the front above the spring that looks like a pick. That marking also appears on the barrel.
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5215/5401810747_f2c278534a_b.jpg)
Anyway triangleforge has offered to submit the info to an expert on antique muskets to see if I can find out more about it.
OK, DP I've been waiting patiently since the end of January to hear or read something about your heirloom firestick. What did you and triangleforge find out about it? Did you get it put back together? Any parts left over? [laugh] Curious minds want to know. ;D
All back together...No parts left over. ;D
It's remarkably simple.
I haven't heard back yet. I did do some more on line investigation, and got even more confused.
It's possible what I thought was the imperial eagle is in fact the Austro-Hungarian crest...which makes sense. T's family on that side came from the Alsace region.
I guess we'll just have to wait.
The musket still hangs on the wall waiting to learn it's identity.
All good. Just waiting to hear about what it is, where it came from and maybe how her family ended up with it. Sounds like a good story in the making. Still nice to have it with the family and hanging on the wall! [thumbsup] Let us know what you ever find out. [popcorn]
Ruger Security Six .357 Magnum:
(http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn168/the_journeyman/Misc/DSC_0070-1024.jpg)
JM
Did you ever find out the history on your Security Six? Like how old it is? Looks they made them from 1971-1988. And they were Ruger's first venture into the double action revolver market. That box is looking pretty old. You ought to contact Ruger, I bet they can tell you it's birthdate. [thumbsup]
Never did. I might look into that. It was very likely bought in the 70's, but I can't be sure. I'll look around online.
Local shop has a Colt Cobra I may look into purchasing ~
JM
I've got a stainless 4" King Cobra. It's a really nice, stout, medium framed .357mag. It's no Python but still a damn nice revolver. Never fired a Cobra. Let's us know if you find out anything on the Security Six.
Quote from: fastwin on March 19, 2011, 03:38:10 PM
I've got a stainless 4" King Cobra. It's a really nice, stout, medium framed .357mag. It's no Python but still a damn nice revolver. Never fired a Cobra. Let's us know if you find out anything on the Security Six.
I have the same gun, very fine finish in old school nickel. I love a good 357 revolver.
Quote from: fastwin on March 18, 2011, 07:09:22 PM
All good. Just waiting to hear about what it is, where it came from and maybe how her family ended up with it. Sounds like a good story in the making. Still nice to have it with the family and hanging on the wall! [thumbsup] Let us know what you ever find out. [popcorn]
Seems this internet thing has turned you on to instant gratification, Fasttwin...
I sent the photos & description off to the historic gun columnist at the National Muzzleloading Rifle Assn's magazine Muzzle Blasts - her name is Sarah Rittgers and she's one of the two curators at the Smithsonian's weapons collection at the National Museum of American History. Their storerooms sound like a fun place to get lost for a few weeks: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/people-places/atm-199605.html (http://www.smithsonianmag.com/people-places/atm-199605.html)
Alas, it's an ink & dead tree monthly, and her column only runs quarterly to boot, so it may be a while. I'll post up if I hear anything.
Cool job. She's lucky. [thumbsup] Guess we'll wait for the reply.
This is a shotgun I bought about 10 years ago, during the ban.
Omega SPS-12 in 12ga
It is made by Norinco and came in several versions:
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/DMF/f27b8620.jpg)
i.e.:
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/DMF/a0621c07.jpg)
I've been trying to figure a way to modify a Choate Mark V stock to fit it. It has a funky square receiver butt piece which goes into the stock.
The finish is rough in places, but the receiver is forged and CNC cut, so it's indestructible. A lot of the parts show hand finish and tooling marks. The gas system is similar to a Mossberg 5500 or 9200 and it seems far happier with heavy loads. The receiver and barrel are both hard as hell. I can't imagine the Rockwell rating on the surface to be low, they seem VERY hard -- random scratches don't even appear after use.
The magazines function well, it came with two 5-rd mags. Apparently there have been 10rd mags floating around. It wouldn't be hard to modify Saiga mags for it, as someone has done it.
It was also sold under the Norinco name as the SAS-12.
I have mixed feelings about a shotgun with a box mag. I can see the usefulness of a box mag on a rifle, but the size of the 12ga cartridge means that the box mag is going to be heavy. Moreover, a tube mag allows you to top up while you're firing, a box mag means you have to unload the gun and put in a new mag.
Still, it is a fun idea.
I think I paid $250 for it. If I could put that Choate butt on it, I'd be happier with it.... You see them on Gunbroker for anywhere between 200 and 400 now.
I wouldn't buy one now, though. It's an orphan gun. No one has parts and if anything goes, you are stuck with it unless you have a buddy who can turn stuff for you.
Cool. [thumbsup] The magazine in your top pic looks longer than a 5 rounder. Or are the 5 rnd mags just that long? Yeah, good luck getting parts. Too bad. Sounds like a tough piece. I have an old Norinco 1911 .45acp when they could import them and it too is actually fairly well built and tough. Can't go wrong with a cheap, well built 1911 or 12 gauge scattergun! ;D
Quote from: fastwin on March 29, 2011, 09:19:56 AM
Cool. [thumbsup] The magazine in your top pic looks longer than a 5 rounder. Or are the 5 rnd mags just that long? Yeah, good luck getting parts. Too bad. Sounds like a tough piece. I have an old Norinco 1911 .45acp when they could import them and it too is actually fairly well built and tough. Can't go wrong with a cheap, well built 1911 or 12 gauge scattergun! ;D
they are that long. the damn follower is like 2" tall. It's a pretty standard 12ga box so if i got a hair in my ass to make bigger ones i could, but i don't often get such a sensation.
Quote from: triangleforge on March 21, 2011, 09:04:05 AM
Seems this internet thing has turned you on to instant gratification, Fasttwin...
I sent the photos & description off to the historic gun columnist at the National Muzzleloading Rifle Assn's magazine Muzzle Blasts - her name is Sarah Rittgers and she's one of the two curators at the Smithsonian's weapons collection at the National Museum of American History. Their storerooms sound like a fun place to get lost for a few weeks: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/people-places/atm-199605.html (http://www.smithsonianmag.com/people-places/atm-199605.html)
Alas, it's an ink & dead tree monthly, and her column only runs quarterly to boot, so it may be a while. I'll post up if I hear anything.
It seems that Ms. Rittgers is interested enough to request more/better pictures...
maybe I should hire IZ_ Pics Iz to take some. ;D
Stay tuned. ;D
How cool!! I have been waiting patiently for info on your rifle. Just didn't want to get smacked by triangleforge about the "instant gratification" thing again! [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] Spill the beans when you have some history on the old firestick! [thumbsup]
Quote from: fastwin on May 10, 2011, 06:33:31 PM
How cool!! I have been waiting patiently for info on your rifle. Just didn't want to get smacked by triangleforge about the "instant gratification" thing again! [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] Spill the beans when you have some history on the old firestick! [thumbsup]
He did have a point. ;D
It's very cool.
I may have to buy a better camera. [bang]
Is that the one where the barrel unscrews and stores in the stock? (Which the floats?)
.
Sweet little semi auto .22
[thumbsup]
Sweet. Can't go wrong with that! Just busted out my 2 old Browning take down auto .22s and gave then a good cleaning and oily wipe down. Of all the shit I have it's funny that those old .22 autos and my Win 94 .22LR are some of my favorite guns to shoot over all these decades of shooting. Trying to get my 14 year old step son to get his brain to wrap around the concept of never getting tired of shooting .22s no matter how old you are. [thumbsup] He seems to think it's a kid's gun. He's all about .223, .308, 9mm, .45acp, etc... All of which is cool but when I'm with my buddies at the ranch or a dove hunt inevitably out come the .22s and all hell breaks loose!! [laugh] A thousand rounds and several beers later we settle down and laugh about all the fun we just had. Damn hard to beat! [clap]
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Quote from: vincheung on June 06, 2011, 06:01:22 PM
Nice to see this thread back from the grave!
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Charter Arms AR-7 .22LR
Picked up an old Charter Arms AR-7 survival rifle today, nothing spectacular but it was in great condition and priced so low it was practically a gift. Looking at some stocks online to make the toy a little more fun to shoot.
Updated Family - http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=25903.msg738559#msg738559 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=25903.msg738559#msg738559)
those are pretty fun guns.. the 22 hornet round packs a lot more utility into the gun, but i imagine that round is pretty rare nowadays
New toy.
(http://images1.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp%3A%3C%3A%3Enu%3D336%3A%3E%3B7%3A%3E948%3EWSNRCG%3D3484%3A7546233%3Anu0mrj)
Almost as tall as I with bayonet attached. Matching numbers, made in 1943, Tula factory refurbish. 7.62x54R Great condition, just needs a little stockwork.
(http://images1.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp%3A%3C%3B%3Enu%3D336%3A%3E%3B7%3A%3E948%3EWSNRCG%3D3484%3A6%3C65933%3Anu0mrj)
I have a newfound respect and hatred for Cosmoline, though. Weapon was positively slathered in the stuff.
It's like 8 feet long :o
Nice [thumbsup]
Quote from: Monsterlover on June 12, 2011, 12:39:18 PM
It's like 8 feet long :o
Nice [thumbsup]
Thanks man!!
$100 ;D
Even Zombie Pip needs a zombie gun.
Good deal.
Save the cosmoline. You can probably use it to make a torch to burn zombies.
Been a long while since I've shot :(
What's keeping you from shooting?
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=46091.0 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=46091.0)
Quote from: The Zombie Pip on June 12, 2011, 12:37:22 PM
New toy.
(http://images1.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp%3A%3C%3A%3Enu%3D336%3A%3E%3B7%3A%3E948%3EWSNRCG%3D3484%3A7546233%3Anu0mrj)
Almost as tall as I with bayonet attached. Matching numbers, made in 1943, Tula factory refurbish. 7.62x54R Great condition, just needs a little stockwork.
(http://images1.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp%3A%3C%3B%3Enu%3D336%3A%3E%3B7%3A%3E948%3EWSNRCG%3D3484%3A6%3C65933%3Anu0mrj)
I have a newfound respect and hatred for Cosmoline, though. Weapon was positively slathered in the stuff.
Curious, where did you get it? You're right. That's one long ass rifle! Oh well, that cosmoline is what kept it rust free and in good shape. [thumbsup] Maybe I should wipe some on me now and then. [laugh]
Quote from: Monsterlover on June 12, 2011, 01:04:45 PM
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=46091.0 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=46091.0)
... excuses! ;)
Ill go dry fire my ruger a little.
Will that make you happy?
;D
Did you get that from AIM Pip?
Quote from: fastwin on June 12, 2011, 01:05:25 PM
Curious, where did you get it? You're right. That's one long ass rifle! Oh well, that cosmoline is what kept it rust free and in good shape. [thumbsup] Maybe I should wipe some on me now and then. [laugh]
Got it at a gunshow this weekend. Lots of fun stuff there. Almost picked up a NOS Romanian AK-47... Great shape, for $400
Quote from: Monsterlover on June 12, 2011, 01:19:19 PM
Ill go dry fire my ruger a little.
Will that make you happy?
;D
As long as it isn't rimfire, yes.
Quote from: ducpainter on June 12, 2011, 01:22:02 PM
Did you get that from AIM Pip?
AIM?
Quote from: The Zombie Pip on June 12, 2011, 01:53:20 PM
Got it at a gunshow this weekend. Lots of fun stuff there. Almost picked up a NOS Romanian AK-47... Great shape, for $400
[thumbsup]
Quote from: The Zombie Pip on June 12, 2011, 02:04:39 PM
AIM?
http://www.aimsurplus.com/ (http://www.aimsurplus.com/)
good place for surplus ammo too
Quote from: The Zombie Pip on June 12, 2011, 12:37:22 PM
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the later arsenal refurbish guns are very good shape. not collectible, but very usable.
very fun to go shooting at dusk so you can see the 3-5ft long flame coming out the end. most 7.62x54 ammo is actually MG ammo and is very very hot. no problem in the mosin receiver, but that powder burns bright.
also, 7.62x54 is the cheapest to shoot except for 22lr. buy milsurp cans of it, they aren't making any more.
And save the brass. . .
Quote from: Monsterlover on June 12, 2011, 07:01:44 PM
And save the brass. . .
all of the milsurp stuff is berdan primed and much is steel cased. not very easy to reload berdan and i don't know anyone who can reload steel (but it can be recycled...)
brass stuff can be, but you still have the issue of popping the old primers and making/buying a berdan capper.
plus, most of the com-bloc milsurp smells like rotten cat ass. i don't know what they use for powder or primer, but i would bet all of it is pretty nasty stuff, i.e. toxic.
I didn't think of that...
good point.
Even reloading the boxer stuff is chemical laden. ..
I wash my hands and face really well after I've been reloading or shooting.
Of course the guy that taught me to reload is in his 80's, never bought factory rounds for anything, cast his own since he was like 10, breathed all those fumes, shoots in his basement with crappy ventilation and he's not dead yet.
So what do I know?
;D
Quote from: ducpainter on June 12, 2011, 03:32:54 PM
http://www.aimsurplus.com/ (http://www.aimsurplus.com/)
good place for surplus ammo too
That place is awesome, Nate. Thanks for the heads up. [thumbsup]
-tiz
I'll put a scope in it (no drilling and tapping, just a easily removed weaver rail where the rear sight is) and go shoot the crap out of it. Needed a good bolt action, the thing is bulletproof and the price was right. We went out with my friends amd put holes in a manhole cover from 120yds out at our local state-provided outdoor range.
Kevin, All them chemicals is good for you, man. [thumbsup]
I may buy some of the S&B Match stuff that is brass cased and boxer primed... just so I don't worry about the corrosive crap.
Hoppes #9
bore cleaner and real man's aftershave
My modest collecton...
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Quote from: RAT900 on June 12, 2011, 11:56:21 PM
Hoppes #9
bore cleaner and real man's aftershave
Nothing smells quite like Hoppes. :)
Quote from: NorDog on July 09, 2011, 09:20:09 PM
My modest collecton...
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is that an original lugar?
Not original, if by original you mean WWII German.
It does say "Original Mauser" on the top side of the toggle.
My dad bought it new in the early 1970s. It was made by a company called interarms. I think it was called the "American Eagle" model due to the engraved eagle crest.
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I'm confusing you with someone else, I thought you were in Norway.. LOL
That S&W is a 39?
Quote from: ducatiz on July 10, 2011, 04:58:21 PM
I'm confusing you with someone else, I thought you were in Norway.. LOL
That S&W is a 39?
Yes. I know little about that model other than I've read that SEAL officers carried them in Vietnam and called the Hush Puppies (they were outfitted with silencers).
Quote from: NorDog on July 10, 2011, 07:20:23 PM
Yes. I know little about that model other than I've read that SEAL officers carried them in Vietnam and called the Hush Puppies (they were outfitted with silencers).
that's a customized version, the 39 is just a single stack 9 that S&W made.. BUNCH of people modded it, I've always wanted one just for S&G but (eek) I might just have too many to even remember if I have one or not.. LOL
I love J frame Smiths! They always work. I have a couple of hammerless model 640s with some trigger slick gunsmith work. They are my favorite winter jacket pocket gun. They will run in a jacket pocket when a small frame auto would possibly snag and jam. Don't even have to pull the J frame out of your coat pocket! Keep your hands in the pockets and the bad guy will be clueless. [thumbsup] [clap]
Quote from: NorDog on July 10, 2011, 01:45:52 PM
Not original, if by original you mean WWII German.
It does say "Original Mauser" on the top side of the toggle.
My dad bought it new in the early 1970s. It was made by a company called interarms. I think it was called the "American Eagle" model due to the engraved eagle crest.
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Beautiful piece, it was in fact Mauser production,
Interarms (International Armament Corp) was the Virginia-based small arms importing company,
it was run by an old ex-CIA employee/weapons specialist Sam Cummings
they also imported a Swiss Luger version.
Speaking of Luger-esque pistols, what's a nice Erma .22 worth these days?
I inherited one from my Dad, near mint. But I have a couple other .22s and have considered parting with it to put something larger in its place.
Picked this up today:
My wife picked it out since it will be her primary "protection" when I'm away. She shot my Dad's Security Six (did some excellent patterns, especially for a novice shooter) and wanted something similar.
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Approved by her cat too:
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JM
Those are very nice. I like their medium frame wheelguns better than the small framed SP101. I mean I like them in theory and then I handle it and something turns me off.
New resident gun nut checking in!
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:o
[thumbsup]
Whoa.
That's a lot of paperwork. [thumbsup]
Thanks, lol. Here are some more closeups. [beer]
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Top 20 on fbi watch?...
Nice, zombie ready...
^
no. lol
The ATF knows about my toys. I've paid $2,005 in taxes to own those. [roll] Bastards.
If you want to see the silencers in action just checkout my youtube channel in my sig. I can't wait to get the goproHD for xmas(thanks to my wife!) Ill be adding Ducati vids!
Just checked out the TiRant video
Awesome 8)
Thanks! [beer]
Those are some nice toys right dur...
How does one clean a silencer?
most suppressors can be disassembled and the wipes removed and replaced.
Just picked this up tonight.
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z53/b_upton/Guns/photo.jpg)
I see you made the decision for the safety as opposed to the decocker. [thumbsup]
Yea. That's the way I was leaning from the git-go; I just like condition one.
Funny thing is, I had no intention of buying a gun today. I had to go down to the PX on Ft Belvoir and as I was walking around, "oh look, a gun store in the PX". I was talking to the people behind the counter, asked if they ever had these in stock and the guy just grinned. Turns out they got some in this morning. Asked him the price ($50 cheaper than anywhere else in town) and pulled out the wallet when I remembered all sales were tax free. [thumbsup]
I think you'll like it.
Me too. Now I just need to find a holster for it.
Quote from: DRKWNG on November 25, 2011, 05:54:24 PM
Me too. Now I just need to find a holster for it.
If you can't find anything listed specifically for the SP-01...
Most holsters for the Beretta 92 will work.
Quote from: NorDog on November 25, 2011, 01:21:10 PM
How does one clean a silencer?
The older suppressors use wipes. The newer ones like I have all use a machined monocore or a set of interlocking baffles made out of Al, Ti, or SS. If the suppressor takes apart you just scrub it with gun cleaner. Rifle suppressors dont need to be cleaned, just the mount area. The only can that NEEDS to be cleaned are .22lr cans as the ammo is very dirty and clogs it up. Most if not all current 22 cans all take down for cleaning. [thumbsup]
What's a ball park price on a 9mm or .45 can?
Is there really much demand for these things?
Quote from: Monsterlover on November 26, 2011, 07:51:09 AM
What's a ball park price on a 9mm or .45 can?
Is there really much demand for these things?
M4 can!!
Gotta start my research somewhere.
I could turn out 100 of those things in a day :)
Quote from: Monsterlover on November 26, 2011, 09:06:46 AM
I could turn out 100 of those things in a day :)
I can't even describe how much win there is in that statement!
Quote from: Monsterlover on November 26, 2011, 07:51:09 AM
What's a ball park price on a 9mm or .45 can?
Is there really much demand for these things?
The market has really picked up as 38 states allow them and people are realizing the benefits and how easily they are obtained. A top of the line 9/45 can will run $700 at a dealer. But remember, buy once cry once. Its a lifetime purchase(no resale value) so don't cheat yourself. Might as well save up and buy the best.
Checkout my youtube channel, i have TONS of videos of them in action. Just search for my username on youtube. [thumbsup]
Think he was asking cause he can make them.
Quote from: DRKWNG on November 25, 2011, 05:24:50 PM
Just picked this up tonight.
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Oh you lucky dog. Well played. ;D
Quote from: DRKWNG on November 26, 2011, 08:47:42 AM
M4 can!!
7.62 can that you can also use on your 5.56! So nice!
Yeah some do that. I bought a dedicated 5.56 can cause my noveske is a 10.5"and sbr. Silencercos rifle cans should be out soon. ;)
I want a muffled .22lr... 10/22... maybe Ruger MKII?? Meh... probably just get me in trouble. Just can't stand all the fat (like over-stuffed pidgeons) white wing dove on my alley power lines! [bang] Yeah, I know the season is over but there is the late season January hunt! [thumbsup] I should stop thinking about this. ;D
Back to more gun pics.
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Im done. lol! [beer]
I own page 93. lololol
Quote from: Fireman1291 on November 28, 2011, 01:41:55 PM
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no suppressor on the serbu? cheap ass.
Quote from: ducatiz on November 28, 2011, 02:50:01 PM
no suppressor on the serbu? cheap ass.
Lol! [clap]
Well played sir
I'm reminded of the John Goodman line after he'd unloaded his duty sidearm and several backup guns, knives, blackjacks & brass knuckles in the movie The Big Easy "And if that don't work, I piss on 'em."
Quote from: DRKWNG on November 28, 2011, 02:18:30 PM
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Is it just me, or are the bullets in that magazine backward?
Quote from: ManaloEA on November 30, 2011, 12:12:47 PM
Is it just me, or are the bullets in that magazine backward?
it's just you. that model flips the round in the air before chambering it. amazing designers, those teutons.
Quote from: ducatiz on November 30, 2011, 12:20:42 PM
it's just you. that model flips the round in the air before chambering it. amazing designers, those teutons.
Ohhhh, I get it. It's the semi-auto version of this pistol:
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Quote from: ManaloEA on November 30, 2011, 12:26:47 PM
Ohhhh, I get it. It's the semi-auto version of this pistol:
if anyone remembers the old 60s spy spoof flick
The Silencers, there was a rear-firing pistol in it. The agent (who was a hot blonde) pretends to want to kill her self and shoots the bad guy with it.
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I like making fun of hk any chance I get.
:D
Just found this on a local TV station's website. Hohoho... Merry Christmas! [laugh]
http://www.wfaa.com/news/national/134779403.html (http://www.wfaa.com/news/national/134779403.html)
A purchase from a fellow DMF member! Thank you, you know who you are!
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9mm and well cared for!
JM
Quote from: the_Journeyman on November 30, 2011, 05:35:55 PM
A purchase from a fellow DMF member! Thank you, you know who you are!
9mm and well cared for!
JM
no secret! you're welcome!
already got the mags loaded to.go i see.
Quote from: ducatiz on November 30, 2011, 06:20:12 PM
no secret! you're welcome!
already got the mags loaded to.go i see.
That was definitely a no brainer.
Friend just bought a vgc 1930 Nagant Revolver. Silly little thing. Can't wait to shoot it.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/76238comparison.jpg/300px-76238comparison.jpg)
Love this design. It's a gentile round. No bris. [laugh]
Quote from: Some Kind of Pip on December 01, 2011, 08:06:37 AM
Friend just bought a vgc 1930 Nagant Revolver. Silly little thing. Can't wait to shoot it.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/76238comparison.jpg/300px-76238comparison.jpg)
Love this design. It's a gentile round. No bris. [laugh]
lol
Quote from: Some Kind of Pip on December 01, 2011, 08:06:37 AM
Friend just bought a vgc 1930 Nagant Revolver. Silly little thing. Can't wait to shoot it.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/76238comparison.jpg/300px-76238comparison.jpg)
Love this design. It's a gentile round. No bris. [laugh]
Its the ultimate hitmans gun. Its THE ONLY revolver you can suppress since the cartridge seals the cylinder gap when it expands thus not allowing any gas to escape and the silencer will trap it all. No noise and no casings left behind. ;)
The russians designed it this way not for suppressed use but thought it would increase accuracy.
Silenced 1895 Nagant revolver (NFA) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvF4yurWSc0#)
ugh
Dual Wielding USP45s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wly-qrRL6os#)
Wanna see more videos with suppressed weapons?
Visit my youtube channel
www.youtube.com/fireman1291 (//http://)
Quote from: ducatiz on December 02, 2011, 08:17:45 AM
ugh
Dual Wielding USP45s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wly-qrRL6os#)
wow....thats alotta man right there. [laugh]
Quote from: Fireman1291 on December 02, 2011, 08:24:50 AM
wow....thats alotta man right there. [laugh]
More to love :-X
Quote from: duccarlos on December 02, 2011, 11:21:37 AM
More to love :-X
turns out he rides too
Born 2 be Wild (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3AeRbqhi0I#)
Quote from: ducatiz on December 02, 2011, 11:30:45 AM
turns out he rides too
Born 2 be Wild (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3AeRbqhi0I#)
[laugh] [laugh]You owe me a computer screen. (Note to self: Dont drink beverages whilst reading a ducatiz post)
Quote from: Fireman1291 on December 02, 2011, 08:22:23 AM
Wanna see more videos with suppressed weapons?
Visit my youtube channel
www.youtube.com/fireman1291 (//http://) (//http://) (//http://)
Does your wife know you were taking a close up vid of her butt? [laugh] [laugh] Good one!! [thumbsup] ;) [popcorn]
Quote from: Fireman1291 on December 02, 2011, 11:53:06 AM
[laugh] [laugh]You owe me a computer screen. (Note to self: Dont drink beverages whilst reading a ducatiz post)
Fixed it for you. [thumbsup]
Quote from: fastwin on December 02, 2011, 12:52:10 PM
Does your wife know you were taking a close up vid of her butt? [laugh] [laugh] Good one!! [thumbsup] ;) [popcorn]
Yeah she watched it and called me a dork [laugh]
Quote from: Fireman1291 on December 02, 2011, 02:33:16 PM
Yeah she watched it and called me a dork [laugh]
she's gonna make a fine Zombie killer! [thumbsup]
With all due manly respect she has a nice rear end and likes to shoot... you are one very lucky man! [thumbsup] [laugh] [clap] 100 points for your team! ;) Please take no offense, only positive, friendly vibes here. ;D
my stash (more rifles hiding at my post zombie apocalypse hideout but I still want an AR 15) and my woman shooting the 92fs & 10-22
(http://i433.photobucket.com/albums/qq53/montey2005/43e61a60.jpg)
some practice - 92FS & 10-22 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq7FTKN5bjE#)
Quote from: fastwin on December 02, 2011, 07:21:34 PM
With all due manly respect she has a nice rear end and likes to shoot... you are one very lucky man! [thumbsup] [laugh] [clap] 100 points for your team! ;) Please take no offense, only positive, friendly vibes here. ;D
No offense taken brotha [beer]
For your enjoyment
9/11 Tribute Shoot (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFfhQZAETCg#)
Caddyshack remake (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zY9zXzhh1k#)
Lindsey shooting a silenced Glock19 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_PU6Jbpc3M#)
Many many more on my channel
The tribute rocks. [bow_down]
'skrat,
Nice Browning take down .22lr! [thumbsup] I have two of those that are probably older than you! LOVE those rifles. Hell, is there a bad .22? As a kid at our ranch my Dad would hand me a 50 rnd box or two and some form of .22 firearm and say "go away, don't come home until supper". Best damn days of my life. [beer]
Isn't it nice to have a muffled gun and be able to shoot in your backyard without bothering the neighbors? [thumbsup] I still want a silenced .22. We would have dove for dinner 2-3 nights a week! [laugh] They aren't in west TX at my friend's ranch. They all live safely in my Dallas neighborhood, eating off of everyone's bird feeders and roosting on the power lines in my alley! They are fat as pidgeons! Too bad my pellet gun is so damn loud. If you start seeing a Game Warden SUV in my part of town you'll know why. [thumbsup] [popcorn] ;)
Quote from: muskrat on December 03, 2011, 07:18:20 AM
The tribute rocks. [bow_down]
Thanks man! We are going to make it an annual thing. [thumbsup]
Quote from: muskrat on December 03, 2011, 07:18:20 AM
The tribute rocks. [bow_down]
Agreed.
AR rifles. . .
Once described to me as "Black Rifle Disease"
I am experiencing a flare up
;D
Quote from: fastwin on December 03, 2011, 09:18:05 AM
Isn't it nice to have a muffled gun and be able to shoot in your backyard without bothering the neighbors? [thumbsup] I still want a silenced .22. We would have dove for dinner 2-3 nights a week! [laugh] They aren't in west TX at my friend's ranch. They all live safely in my Dallas neighborhood, eating off of everyone's bird feeders and roosting on the power lines in my alley! They are fat as pidgeons! Too bad my pellet gun is so damn loud. If you start seeing a Game Warden SUV in my part of town you'll know why. [thumbsup] [popcorn] ;)
i'm still waiting for the perfect Ruger Mk2 to have modified for a can. I've seen bull barrel models with the barrel shortened and the muzzle turned down to a thread for a can and an integral suppressor for them as well.
i have about half a carton of 70something grain subsonic ammo. the projectile is about a cm long, looks like a huge projectile on a 22short case. i tried them in a regular Mk2 and it was noticeably different.
Quote from: ducatiz on December 03, 2011, 12:50:48 PM
i'm still waiting for the perfect Ruger Mk2 to have modified for a can. I've seen bull barrel models with the barrel shortened and the muzzle turned down to a thread for a can and an integral suppressor for them as well.
i have about half a carton of 70something grain subsonic ammo. the projectile is about a cm long, looks like a huge projectile on a 22short case. i tried them in a regular Mk2 and it was noticeably different.
You must have the augulia super sniper subsonics. I think they are 60grn.......;)
Quote from: Fireman1291 on December 03, 2011, 12:55:16 PM
You must have the augulia super sniper subsonics. I think they are 60grn.......;)
The 40s are nice even not suppressed.
They make a noise, but the crack is gone.
Quote from: Fireman1291 on December 03, 2011, 12:55:16 PM
You must have the augulia super sniper subsonics. I think they are 60grn.......;)
yeah, the SSS. i also have some dynamit subsonics too but i think those are 30-40gr
Fastwin,
I guess you missed the Belgium 16 guage. :'( :'(
That 22 is also older than I am by the way. Both from my Grandfather.
Btw AAC is releasing a very nice integral 22/45 ruger soon. They released it at SHOT
Last year but it should hit shelves soon.
More randomly picked videos from my channel [thumbsup]
Silencer sound comparison (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyjRpe_o_NI#)
Afternoon at Tony's (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-S6Fc_9cMs#)
Adam + Lindsey Range Day (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhaucgL2cWQ#)
More gun porn!! Yeah!! [thumbsup] [beer] [bow_down]
I see the woods past your fence. Please tell me there is nothing on the other side of the woods except more woods... like an elementary school. I know you are shooting at a downward angle and wouldn't do it if it wasn't safe. Just the grumpy old fart range officer coming out. ;D Please excuse.
Cool vids! Thanks for posting. [popcorn]
Quote from: Fireman1291 on December 05, 2011, 11:45:03 AM
More randomly picked videos from my channel [thumbsup]
Silencer sound comparison (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyjRpe_o_NI#)
Is it just me or is the first round always the loudest?
Quote from: fastwin on December 05, 2011, 11:51:41 AM
More gun porn!! Yeah!! [thumbsup] [beer] [bow_down]
I see the woods past your fence. Please tell me there is nothing on the other side of the woods except more woods... like an elementary school. I know you are shooting at a downward angle and wouldn't do it if it wasn't safe. Just the grumpy old fart range officer coming out. ;D Please excuse.
Cool vids! Thanks for posting. [popcorn]
There is roughly 6 miles of nothing behind my house. [beer]
Quote from: duccarlos on December 05, 2011, 01:14:46 PM
Is it just me or is the first round always the loudest?
I was wondering when someone would notice. Good ear. What you are hearing is the phenomenon called "First round pop" or FRP. This happens because the first shot through the suppressor is free burning or igniting the extra o2 inside the silencer. The subsequent shots are quieter as the o2 has been depleted. One way around this is to shoot the can(silencer) wet, by just adding 1-5cc of water you will stop this from happening. What happens is the heat turns the water into steam(water expands 1700 times its size) and the steam not only displaces the o2 but causes the heat to expend its energy through this process. When shooting a can wet you will get significantly quieter shots. Like 8-10db quieter for a mag or two. So the slower and cooler you make the gasses before they exit the silencer, the quieter they will be when they hit the atmosphere[thumbsup]
More random vids [beer]
If you like the video, leave a comment on youtube [thumbsup]
Steel Target 200 Meters (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n58uVVWf_78#)
Backyard shooting (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKta1Ny-vSA#)
Group Shoot Hernando Sportsmans Club (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R7Oh7rQJBQ#)
Dood...
we get it...
you make money off your youtube vids.
Enough with the schilling...
OK?
Quote from: ducpainter on December 05, 2011, 04:27:33 PM
Dood...
we get it...
you make money off your youtube vids.
Enough with the schilling...
OK?
lol, you dont like videos?
Ill stick to picture porn then. [beer]
O, and trust me....the youtube ads dont pay bills. lol its not like Im making a ton of money from them. Only the videos with ads make money and thats only if someone clicks the ad.
Quote from: Fireman1291 on December 05, 2011, 04:34:34 PM
lol, you dont like videos?
Ill stick to picture porn then. [beer]
O, and trust me....the youtube ads dont pay bills. lol its not like Im making a ton of money from them. Only the videos with ads make money and thats only if someone clicks the ad.
I don't have time to watch every vid posted here...
and I'll just have gun envy and want something I can't afford.
I get that...
no one is getting rich here.
It's like Billy Mayes has been reincarnated is all. ;D
Chill...
You need a [drink]
[laugh]
BTW, this is the only video out of the 89 I have that makes any money.
Suppressed beretta (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDHVvG6sg-s#)
I have no FRIGGIN clue why I get 14,000 views a day on it. I really dont. Out of 14-20K views a day I might get 20 ad clicks on it. So yeah, this isnt about making money. Its about sharing gun porn. [beer]
Sure do like tempting fate, don't you?
[popcorn]
Quote from: Fireman1291 on December 05, 2011, 04:43:48 PM
You need a [drink]
<snip>
You don't know me...
or my reputation.
It's almost 8:00.
The drinking commenced hours ago.
We know you have a youtube channel.
Chill.
Quote from: DRKWNG on December 05, 2011, 04:47:03 PM
Sure do like tempting fate, don't you?
Im not seeing where I was being mean. I'm guessing your a mod or owner and are thinking of banning me or am I mis-reading ya? Like I said I'm a friendly guy so I think you misunderstood my postings. In any case I thought this was a cool and laid back forum. I mean it is a "show off your guns" thread right [thumbsup](Friendly thumbs up, no sarcasm)
Quote from: Fireman1291 on December 05, 2011, 04:58:16 PM
Im not seeing where I was being mean. I'm guessing your a mod or owner and are thinking of banning me or am I mis-reading ya? Like I said I'm a friendly guy so I think you misunderstood my postings. In any case I thought this was a cool and laid back forum. I mean it is a "show off your guns" thread right [thumbsup](Friendly thumbs up, no sarcasm)
This is a cool and laid back forum.
It is, however, a motorcycle forum.
Here's the deal...
Out of your 39 posts here 33 have been in this thread schilling your youtube channel.
I don't really care how much you make/click.
You can post all vids you want.
I don't want to hear about your channel again...it's spam.
Wait until I buy my 796 in March. lol. Ill be slinging Ducati videos for your enjoyment. I just read all the posts and learn everyday as I research the hell out of something before I get into it. Right now Im saving up money for a down payment to keep the payments low. I already bought the helmet and jacket and Im just waiting until feb when my furniture and CC are paid off. So thats why you havent seen me contribute more towards posts pertaining to Ducatis. I know guns, more than most as I live and breathe them. But I'm learning about Duc's now and WILL contribute later. Sound good brotha?
Im also going to get a GoProHD for the Ducati. It should make for some interesting videos. I have some ideas already. [thumbsup]
And as stated, im truely not "pushing" my channel, Its just most dont get to see the types of guns I have in action often so I like to share. In any case....I switch to pics.
Side note.. i want tobe in a fire department but its too late for me in ny since my class was canceled... maybe if i can make it to tx before 35.. hows the fd life going for ya?
Quote from: cokey on December 05, 2011, 09:03:57 PM
Side note.. i want tobe in a fire department but its too late for me in ny since my class was canceled... maybe if i can make it to tx before 35.. hows the fd life going for ya?
Love it. We are Fire/EMS down here so I do both. We have been getting alot of fire due to the cold snaps and alot of suicides due to hoildays. We run 24 on 48 off and my station averages 16 calls a shift. [bang] Busy busy.
Just had this fire last week. Im in the video on the roof on the right.
http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_pasco/man-dies-in-two-alarm-fire-at-port-richey-apartment-complex (http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_pasco/man-dies-in-two-alarm-fire-at-port-richey-apartment-complex)
Not to venture too far off track and the tread topic but I know a guy who used to be a county constable deputy, got laid off due to budget cuts and went to work in a small town in the next county over. They are police officers, fire fighters and EMS techs! You work a different job every day. He's obviously a police officer already but he is now taking the fire fighter and EMS training. Interesting idea. The town gets all three in one hire! One day you are arresting someone, the next day you are putting out their house fire or taking them to the hospital. [popcorn]
OK... back to guns.
Quote from: Fireman1291 on November 25, 2011, 07:23:32 AM
(http://i1089.photobucket.com/albums/i356/Firefighter1291/taxstamps.jpg)
What's that in the middle? I need one of those [evil]
That's a lot of NFA tax stamps in that pic! [popcorn] Can't tell what the AR platform is. Fireman will have to kick in on that one. I've got several AR guns in different forms but they are built by everyone these days. No muffled guns for me, I'm a NFA shotgun guy. But I still want a muffled .22lr. Target fixation of the gun kind! [laugh] [thumbsup]
Quote from: Munch on December 06, 2011, 04:14:38 PM
What's that in the middle? I need one of those [evil]
looks like a either a 7 in barrel with a can or could be a 11 in barrel with a rebated can.
Looks like a Mk18 copy with a can to me. If that's the case, it's a 10.5 incher.
Quote from: DRKWNG on December 06, 2011, 06:14:06 PM
Looks like a Mk18 copy with a can to me. If that's the case, it's a 10.5 incher.
I saw a can in Finland (where you buy them over the counter in a sporting good store) for a CAR that went over the barrel about 4".. Put it on a 16" barrel and it looks like a 11-12 in barrel. It just made the length with the can shorter. Pretty slick, I forgot the name, something locally designed.. like Kulmaapppaaskay Oy or somesuch Finn nonesense
Quote from: DRKWNG on December 06, 2011, 06:14:06 PM
Looks like a Mk18 copy with a can to me. If that's the case, it's a 10.5 incher.
Winner winner chicken dinner. [thumbsup]
Its a 10.5" barrel Noveske SBR that I built to clone a MK18 MOD0. The muzzle brake suppressor mount throws one hell of a flame without the suppressor attached. I have a video of it where I have it hanging in the garage and i go over all the parts. But the video of it in action is way better, I posted a video on the last page "afternoon at Tony's" and it makes multiple apperences.
Here are some pics for your enjoyment.
(http://i1089.photobucket.com/albums/i356/Firefighter1291/DSC03752.jpg)
(http://i1089.photobucket.com/albums/i356/Firefighter1291/DSC03764.jpg)
(http://i1089.photobucket.com/albums/i356/Firefighter1291/DSC03765.jpg)
(http://i1089.photobucket.com/albums/i356/Firefighter1291/Video7200007-14.jpg)
(http://i1089.photobucket.com/albums/i356/Firefighter1291/Video7000012-04.jpg)
After 8 years of living in The People's Republik of Kalifornia, I'm back on the East Coast.
My Uncle has been keeping my 1884 Springfield Trapdoor safe for me in his, well... safe. ;)
I went over to his place today and we took the old girl out to look her over.
I snapped a few pics with my phone's crappy camera... I hope you enjoy them. [thumbsup]
1884 Springfield
(http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp231/tazios/photo-182.jpg)
(http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp231/tazios/photo-183.jpg)
(http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp231/tazios/photo-184.jpg)
(http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp231/tazios/photo-185.jpg)
(http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp231/tazios/photo-186.jpg)
(http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp231/tazios/photo-187.jpg)
In the last photo, the smallest round is a 9mm hollow point I included as reference. The next two are black powder .45-70 rounds with solid lead bullet and the last two have a soft point with a half jacket of copper... I don't know all the technical terms as I'm not very gun savvy... I know a little about the gun, but am trying to get more info on it. It's a friggin' riot to shoot, though! ;D [evil]
Thanks for looking...
[bacon]
[drool] [drool] [drool] [drool] [drool] [drool] [drool] [drool] [drool] [drool] [drool] [drool] [drool] [drool] [drool] [drool] [drool] [drool] [drool] [drool] [drool] [drool] [drool] [drool] [drool]
Wow...
you made 'tiz drool.
Nice work.
Very nice, TBJ!!
Definately worth all of Tiz's drool. [thumbsup]
Thank you, all... :)
I remember finding it at my grandparents' house one day in my uncle's room.
I had to be maybe 7 or 8, and I was bored and looked in his closet.
I flipped up the trapdoor and an empty shell casing came popping out! I almost jumped out of my skin! [laugh]
I dropped the gun, ran away, and hid in the garage. He found the gun laying on the floor and then found me in the garage... ;)
Apparently, the gun had belonged to my Papa and he had given it to my uncle when he was around 10 years old, but had taken the firing pin out first...
About 15 - 20 years later, my Uncle gave to gun to me. 8) I took it to a gunsmith who x-rayed it, cleaned it up and gave me a handful of "Cowboy Loads" he had laying around.
I took it to an outdoor range way up in the woods of Connecticut to test her out. I went waaay down to the last table on the right to be away from all the guys with their scoped assault rifles... Being the first time shooting something bigger than a bb gun, I was a little nervous, and intimidated. I slid the first round home, flipped down the trapdoor, pulled back the hammer, and pulled the trigger...
KA-BOOOM!!!
Holy CRAP!!! There must have been at least six feet of flame and smoke shooting out the end of the barrel! Stunned, I sat there for a moment before starting to giggle maniacally. I ejected the first shell casing, dropped another one in and did it again!
KA-BOOOM!!!
KA-BOOOM!!!
KA-BOOOM!!!
As I was reloading, still giggling, I slowly became aware that nobody else on the range was shooting anymore. I put the gun down (empty and open) and slowly turned around to see 10-15 guys just staring at me. Finally, an older gent came over and asked me about the gun. I told him what little I knew and asked him if would like to shoot it. He did. Now I'm surrounded by a bunch of guys all wanting to look at my gun. A couple of boxes of .45-70 mysteriously appeared on the table, and everyone wanted to take a turn to shoot it. I'm a friendly guy, and being a total n00b, I obliged and let everyone take a shot or two... It was a great way to get into shooting, IMHO... Shortly after that, I moved to CA and had to leave the gun with my Uncle. Now that I'm back, I'd like to pick up a nice .22 and maybe take a few shooting classes and learn about general gun safety/care/maintenance, etc... [thumbsup]
[bacon]
What does it cost a round to shoot?
not sure about now, but eight years ago a box of 20 was like $25.00...
It had to be a certain kind of low pressure load, IIRC...
[bacon]
Quote from: The Bacon Junkie on January 17, 2012, 03:40:28 PM
not sure about now, but eight years ago a box of 20 was like $25.00...
It had to be a certain kind of low pressure load, IIRC...
[bacon]
Save the brass...
just sayin'
Quote from: ducpainter on January 17, 2012, 02:59:29 PM
Wow...
you made 'tiz drool.
Nice work.
right!! & he wasn't even sarcastic in his drooling!! that's like some kind of honor.. i think he needs a plaque "on this, the 17th day of January in the year 2012, i, the bacon junkie, made ducatiz drool" ;)
;D [laugh]
It was this stuff... Cowboy Loads. Lower velocity.
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/100-rds-45-70-cowboy-action-405-gr-long-range-rifle-ammo.aspx?a=149168 (http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/100-rds-45-70-cowboy-action-405-gr-long-range-rifle-ammo.aspx?a=149168)
If I knew how to reload, or someone else who did, I'd save the brass...
I haven't shot the thing in 8 years... I'm kinda eager to, though... :D
@elyse... ;D
[bacon]
Quote from: The Bacon Junkie on January 17, 2012, 03:52:01 PM
It was this stuff... Cowboy Loads. Lower velocity.
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/100-rds-45-70-cowboy-action-405-gr-long-range-rifle-ammo.aspx?a=149168 (http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/100-rds-45-70-cowboy-action-405-gr-long-range-rifle-ammo.aspx?a=149168)
If I knew how to reload, or someone else who did, I'd save the brass...
I haven't shot the thing in 8 years... I'm kinda eager to, though... :D
@elyse... ;D
[bacon]
dood...
save the brass...
;)
i think what dp is trying to say is...you should save the brass :)
im sure someone around here can help you with the reloading or if you hang out at the range long enough you'll meet someone that knows how
Quote from: elyse on January 17, 2012, 03:58:53 PM
i think what dp is trying to say is...you should save the brass :)
im sure someone around here can help you with the reloading or if you hang out at the range long enough you'll meet someone that knows how
Tell him a couple more times... [roll] [roll] [roll] [laugh]
Okay, so the next time I get out to the range, I'll save the brass... ;)
Should I call you to come down and meet me, dp? ;D
[bacon]
Quote from: The Bacon Junkie on January 17, 2012, 04:01:52 PM
Okay, so the next time I get out to the range, I'll save the brass... ;)
Should I call you to come down and meet me, dp? ;D
[bacon]
We can talk...
do I need to help you bend over? [evil]
Oh...you want to let me shoot it... [laugh]
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Yes, to shoot it...
I can kneel down to pick up the brass on my own... :-*
[bacon]
i think what dp is trying to say is...you should save the brass Smiley
im sure someone around here can help you with the reloading or if you hang out at the range long enough you'll meet someone that knows how
.....dp told me to repeat myself ;)
Quote from: elyse on January 17, 2012, 04:29:26 PM
i think what dp is trying to say is...you should save the brass Smiley
im sure someone around here can help you with the reloading or if you hang out at the range long enough you'll meet someone that knows how
.....dp told me to repeat myself ;)
He isn't very bright... ;)
I think I can say that...
the feeling isn't on the east coast. ;D
I'm very smart...
Just kinda clueless, is all... ;)
I'm pretty sure the feeling is someplace much warmer... ;D
---edit---
Panama, maybe? :-*
[bacon]
back on topic...
great price on dies...bottom of the page.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B0013R88BC/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new (http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B0013R88BC/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new)
those look like sparkplugs...
What are they for?
I'm guessing it's somehow related to making your own bullets? ???
I'm such a n00b about this stuff... :P
[bacon]
Quote from: The Bacon Junkie on January 17, 2012, 04:51:12 PM
those look like sparkplugs...
What are they for?
I'm guessing it's somehow related to making your own bullets? ???
I'm such a n00b about this stuff... :P
[bacon]
That is what they're for.
You can save a ton of money by reloading.
The caveat is you need to shoot to save.
It becomes a vicious cycle. :P
Once I get settled into my work/school routine, I'll start shooting again...
And learn how to reload my own brass... :P
[bacon]
Dude... save the brass! [laugh]
Great story. Some firearms just have a way of making it into our lives and make for great stories down the road. Actually bikes do the same. Funny how that works. ;)
Reminds me of my late father's pre-'64 Winchester model 94 .30-.30 I mentioned in the Gun Stuff thread earlier today. That gun has been around most of my life, I remember the first time my Dad let me shoot it and now it's mine. As well as his Winchester model 42 .410 and my late Grandfather's Winchester model 12.
Good stuff! [thumbsup]
Quote from: fastwin on January 17, 2012, 05:32:01 PM
Dude... save the brass! [laugh]
Great story. Some firearms just have a way of making it into our lives and make for great stories down the road. Actually bikes do the same. Funny how that works. ;)
Reminds me of my late father's pre-'64 Winchester model 94 .30-.30 I mentioned in the Gun Stuff thread earlier today. That gun has been around most of my life, I remember the first time my Dad let me shoot it and now it's mine. As well as his Winchester model 42 .410 and my late Grandfather's Winchester model 12.
Good stuff! [thumbsup]
Thanks! [thumbsup]
It takes a little while to get through the thick skull, but I think I've got the whole brass saving thing locked into memory now... ;)
[beer]
[bacon]
sort of off topic but related..the winchester house in san jose is quite cool
Been there. The lady was way out there.
And well funded.
Quote from: elyse on January 17, 2012, 03:47:57 PM
right!! & he wasn't even sarcastic in his drooling!! that's like some kind of honor.. i think he needs a plaque "on this, the 17th day of January in the year 2012, i, the bacon junkie, made ducatiz drool" ;)
;D [laugh]
y'all need a new hobby.
that Springfield rifle is in astonishing shape and worthy of everyone's drool
Thanks, 'tiz... :)
Taking her out of my uncle's gun safe, after not seeing her for 8 years, made me giggle like a loon!
...and yes, I was drooling quite a bit, too... ;D
[bacon]
Quote from: The Bacon Junkie on January 18, 2012, 05:42:58 AM
Thanks, 'tiz... :)
Taking her out of my uncle's gun safe, after not seeing her for 8 years, made me giggle like a loon!
...and yes, I was drooling quite a bit, too... ;D
[bacon]
polish it with newspaper. just oil up some in a wad and rub it down hard. you will get a good bit of the surface corrosion off (even stuff you can't easily see) and a lot of the original finish out. even better, use a dry film lube like Eezox to rub it down. There is another good one whose name I can't remember right now, but I remember it smelllls gooooood.
Quote from: ducatiz on January 18, 2012, 06:24:18 AM
polish it with newspaper. just oil up some in a wad and rub it down hard. you will get a good bit of the surface corrosion off (even stuff you can't easily see) and a lot of the original finish out. even better, use a dry film lube like Eezox to rub it down. There is another good one whose name I can't remember right now, but I remember it smelllls gooooood.
Thanks for the tip. [thumbsup]
Are you talking about the stock, too, or just the metal bits?
When you say oil up some newspaper, you are talking about regular gun oil, right?
I don't want to mess this beauty up... :-\
[bacon]
Quote from: The Bacon Junkie on January 18, 2012, 06:30:03 AM
Thanks for the tip. [thumbsup]
Are you talking about the stock, too, or just the metal bits?
When you say oil up some newspaper, you are talking about regular gun oil, right?
I don't want to mess this beauty up... :-\
[bacon]
Metal.
You can use any kind of oil, there is no magic gun oil. We are just talking about rubbing it down. So called Gun Oil is just thin weight motor oil.
The point is to polish it. Using a thinner oil makes it easier. You can even use something like 3 in 1. I would use a dry film lube because it doesn't need to be wiped off, but if you use castrol 5w30 it will be fine.
Quote from: ducatiz on January 18, 2012, 06:36:55 AM
Metal.
You can use any kind of oil, there is no magic gun oil. We are just talking about rubbing it down. So called Gun Oil is just thin weight motor oil.
The point is to polish it. Using a thinner oil makes it easier. You can even use something like 3 in 1. I would use a dry film lube because it doesn't need to be wiped off, but if you use castrol 5w30 it will be fine.
Again, thank you for the info...
I'll probably stay away from the Castrol, though... ;)
Did ya happen to remember what the name of that gooooood smelling lube?
I've always loved the smell of grease and oil... When my uncle cleaned his carbines and pistols, I would watch and enjoy the smells. :)
[bacon]
Quote from: The Bacon Junkie on January 18, 2012, 06:53:00 AM
Again, thank you for the info...
I'll probably stay away from the Castrol, though... ;)
Did ya happen to remember what the name of that gooooood smelling lube?
I've always loved the smell of grease and oil... When my uncle cleaned his carbines and pistols, I would watch and enjoy the smells. :)
[bacon]
the stuff I was thinking of isn't a lube, it's a finish wipedown for storage. i just can't remember the name, but it might have been one of the birchwood casey oils. it came in an oldschool metal tin with a squeeze nozzle on top.
i would just use eezox. it is a wipedown but also a lube. it smells good too lol
Eezox is the shizzle!
Quote from: ducatiz on January 18, 2012, 07:56:52 AM
the stuff I was thinking of isn't a lube, it's a finish wipedown for storage. i just can't remember the name, but it might have been one of the birchwood casey oils. it came in an oldschool metal tin with a squeeze nozzle on top.
i would just use eezox. it is a wipedown but also a lube. it smells good too lol
Coolio... [thumbsup]
[bacon]
Quote from: The Bacon Junkie on January 18, 2012, 06:30:03 AM
Thanks for the tip. [thumbsup]
Are you talking about the stock, too, or just the metal bits?
When you say oil up some newspaper, you are talking about regular gun oil, right?
I don't want to mess this beauty up... :-\
[bacon]
Sell it to meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
Quote from: peeny on January 18, 2012, 01:52:27 PM
Sell it to meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
Alpaca hunting?
Or sharpshooting the zombies as the try to cross your moat?
;D
[bacon]
I'm still digging (no pun intended ;)) the whole moat idea. An idea that needs to be revised and discussed. [thumbsup] Zombies have serious troubles dealing with moats. It's a fact. ;D
OK... back to pics. I really need to get a camera some day to join the fun.
new mates I scored for a song (both of them). The one time I'm patient it pans out.
(http://i433.photobucket.com/albums/qq53/montey2005/0ba5e721.jpg)
(http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/268842000/268842440/pix093181923.jpg)
Quote from: vincheung on January 20, 2012, 12:18:33 PM
Picked up a H&K HK91 today for a steal, purchased in the late 70s and was NEVER fired. Im debating whether to take her out for a few rounds or keep it crispy and new...
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7163/6734814953_bf7102df5c_z.jpg)
Updated Family - http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=25903.msg738559#msg738559 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=25903.msg738559#msg738559)
LUST!!!
[drool]
Quote from: vincheung on January 20, 2012, 12:18:33 PM
Picked up a H&K HK91 today for a steal, purchased in the late 70s and was NEVER fired. Im debating whether to take her out for a few rounds or keep it crispy and new...
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7163/6734814953_bf7102df5c_z.jpg)
Updated Family - http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=25903.msg738559#msg738559 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=25903.msg738559#msg738559)
May I ask what you paid? Those real HK non PTR clones run real coin these days.
At rest
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nice stash Fireman. You have more money in suppressors than guns. ;D
Quote from: muskrat on January 21, 2012, 08:40:47 AM
nice stash Fireman. You have more money in suppressors than guns. ;D
lol, if it wasnt for the Noveske SBR and the HK's That would be true. They do add up. But hey, quality over quanity right. [Dolph]
Quote from: vincheung on January 20, 2012, 12:18:33 PM
Picked up a H&K HK91 today for a steal, purchased in the late 70s and was NEVER fired. Im debating whether to take her out for a few rounds or keep it crispy and new...
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7163/6734814953_bf7102df5c_z.jpg)
Updated Family - http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=25903.msg738559#msg738559 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=25903.msg738559#msg738559)
Nice score. Tip #1: Track down an A2 stock, the A3 collapsible will beat the shit out of you. It's tolerable on the .223 HK93 but the .308 HK91 is not so much fun. I have an A3 stock on the MP5 which looks all groovy and cool in it's little soft case but I still drag along the A2 stock when I actually want to shoot it. Even more true with the 91. Just saying...
Still, great find and I hope the price was just as great! [thumbsup] [bacon]
$450? No shit? You could have added $1,000 or $2,000 to that and I wouldn't have flinched. That's the deal of a freaking lifetime. What little old clueless grand mother did you scam to get that deal? [laugh]
Super Cobra gunship. 20mm, TOW, Hellfire, and Sidewinder missiles and Zuni rocket launchers, as needed.
(http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee478/superduc/AHSuperCobra.jpg)
^ That three-barreled gun is a 20mm, not a .50 cal.
That would make the perfect feral hog hunting helo platform. [thumbsup] Just sayin'. ;D
Quote from: DRKWNG on January 22, 2012, 04:45:08 AM
^ That three-barreled gun is a 20mm, not a .50 cal.
I stand corrected. 20mm.
seems a little weak after the Cobra but-
Kimber .45
(http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt315/hihhs/IMG_1074.jpg)
Nice piece!
Where did those Peace Sign grips come from? Doesn't seem like standard Kimber Custom Shop fare. Nice Commander size .45! [thumbsup]
Quote from: fastwin on January 24, 2012, 08:45:14 PM
Where did those Peace Sign grips come from? Doesn't seem like standard Kimber Custom Shop fare. Nice Commander size .45! [thumbsup]
Those are "American Chicken Footprint" grips, I forgot where they came from. John Masen?
It is a modern day "peacemaker", not unlike the old Colt single action revolvers.......
Quote from: fastwin on January 24, 2012, 08:45:14 PM
Where did those Peace Sign grips come from? Doesn't seem like standard Kimber Custom Shop fare. Nice Commander size .45! [thumbsup]
So many guys I know have sort of over-the-top, aggressive designs on their grips, or the second amendment, etc.
I wanted something completely different.
A great guy named Joe Sabine in San Angelo, TX made them custom for me. My wife actually came across Joe's work on a crafty website called Etsy. The wood is cocobolo and the inlay is silver.
I'd highly recommend Joe.
His site;
http://www.gripus.com/ (http://www.gripus.com/)
Cool. [thumbsup] [popcorn]
Quote from: hihhs on January 25, 2012, 03:54:47 PM
So many guys I know have sort of over-the-top, aggressive designs on their grips, or the second amendment, etc.
I wanted something completely different.
A great guy named Joe Sabine in San Angelo, TX made them custom for me. My wife actually came across Joe's work on a crafty website called Etsy. The wood is cocobolo and the inlay is silver.
I'd highly recommend Joe.
His site;
http://www.gripus.com/ (http://www.gripus.com/)
i used to have a set of cocobolo nunchucks when i was in 8th grade.
I'm a huge fan of double diamond cocobolo 1911 grips. It's one of the prettiest wood around. [thumbsup]
Ongoing Project #1
It will look a little different than this when finished. It will have a Noveske KX3 on the end. In the pic I just have a suppressor stuck in the forearm without a barrel to simulate what it will look like. It is a 7.5 in barrel. Hopefully a stamp will be here for it shortly so I can stick a stock on it.
The damn thing would have been finished months ago, but the flash suppressor was back ordered and I bought the wrong length gas tube [bang] The final parts are on the truck [clap]
(http://catie.smugmug.com/photos/i-cLVRpfr/1/M/i-cLVRpfr-M.jpg)
I originally registered my SBR lower with a 7.5 barrel and it was crap. that gas setup is so touchy, ammo variations would go all over the place.
I found 11'5 is about the shortest you can go with a good "all around" ammo eater. you still should register the lower with a 7.5 because then you can put any length on it -- registering it with a 11.5 means you can't put anything shorter, yadda yadda.
Who's handguard/forend is that?
Quote from: fastwin on January 27, 2012, 12:15:20 PM
Who's handguard/forend is that?
bunch of people make those, mine is made by Legion Arms
That is exactly why there is a 7.5 on it. A 10.5 is the shortest Surefire recommends for my 5.56 suppressor.
Handguard is a Yankee hill. I don't remember exactly which model. Cheaper than dirt had it on sale for a fantastic bargain.
Quote from: zach on January 27, 2012, 12:18:51 PM
That is exactly why there is a 7.5 on it. A 10.5 is the shortest Surefire recommends for my 5.56 suppressor.
Handguard is a Yankee hill. I don't remember exactly which model. Cheaper than dirt had it on sale for a fantastic bargain.
you don't have to actually put the 7.5 on the upper, just list it on the form 4.
It looked familiar but I would have never guessed who made it.
Form 1 for making the SBR. I was just going to list it but found the barrel for $60. Worth playin with for that amount.
I have the same neurosis... "It's cheap!" :-)
Can you firearms gurus please recommend a mid-priced, reliable, accurate-out-of-the-box 1911? That Kimber on the previous page is very nice...
Quote from: RC Fan on January 27, 2012, 01:36:33 PM
Can you firearms gurus please recommend a mid-priced, reliable, accurate-out-of-the-box 1911? That Kimber on the previous page is very nice...
Check out the Rock Island 1911s.
Whats the licensing requirements of guns like an AR-15, AR-10 or M4?
Not to get into local laws (since I don't know anything about specific Colorado gun laws) but AR-15s and AR-10s (since they are semi autos) shouldn't be bound by Federal NFA laws. Meaning since they are standard issue semi automatic, magazine fed rifles they are pretty much legal most places. For those that live in places where they are not legal please speak up... I don't go to places like that so I don't where they are. [laugh]
An M4 is a military issue AR platform gun that is fully automatic. THAT would fall under NFA laws. Lots of people (me included) have semi auto versions of the M4, which where I live is just as legal as a standard AR-15 or AR-10... or any other semi auto firearm.
I suppose you need to check on local Colorado semi auto, magazine fed rifle restrictions if such a thing exists. Probably any decent gun shop employee should be able to give you the full scoop.
Hope I didn't confuse you with my rambling.
Quote from: ducatiz on January 27, 2012, 01:49:16 PM
Check out the Rock Island 1911s.
The RI 1911s I have seen look very nice. I have one of their AR lowers and I love it. Extremely well made. [thumbsup] I think I heard once that the guys running Rock Island used to work for Les Baer. Anyone know if that's true?
I have a few Kimbers and my personal experience has been very positive. Springfield Armory has been cranking out nice, off the shelf 1911s for a long time. Check them all out.
QuoteQuote from: ducatiz on January 27, 2012, 01:49:16 PM
Check out the Rock Island 1911s.
Quote from: fastwin on January 27, 2012, 03:06:24 PM
The RI 1911s I have seen look very nice. I have one of their AR lowers and I love it. Extremely well made. [thumbsup] I think I heard once that the guys running Rock Island used to work for Les Baer. Anyone know if that's true?
I have a few Kimbers and my personal experience has been very positive. Springfield Armory has been cranking out nice, off the shelf 1911s for a long time. Check them all out.
Thanks! I have never heard of Rock Island...maybe they don't sell in Canada?
If they don't they should. [thumbsup]
if you're in Canada you can get a norinco 1911 at marstar. importers are different in the GWN.
hmm...and I thought this was the "Show Off Your Guns" thread. What guns? Silly me! [bang]
Quote from: supperduc on January 27, 2012, 05:19:27 PM
hmm...and I thought this was the "Show Off Your Guns" thread. What guns? Silly me! [bang]
you're right...
getting pretty wordy in here.
your pics are where?
page 101. Super Cobra. Thank you very much [roll]
Quote from: supperduc on January 27, 2012, 06:55:52 PM
page 101. Super Cobra. Thank you very much [roll]
Only it wasn't actually yours.
"know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss". Sun Tzu, The Art of War.
No can't do. Not my personal collection on a public website! I take home defense seriously.
[roll]
Quote from: supperduc on January 27, 2012, 09:12:55 PM
No can't do. Not my personal collection on a public website! I take home defense seriously.
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [roll]
enough talk.
this is a picture thread.
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The G26/27 are good carry guns. Hope you like it. [thumbsup]
My current holster and favorite.
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250? What caliber?
Yes it is, and it is a 9mm. I really like this pistol.
I have a subcompact 250 in 9mm. I thought Id love it but I dont. I also have a 228 and the difference dimensionally between the two is less than 1/2" in any direction.....thickness is just about the same.
Anybody want to buy a Sig 250?
Quote from: rgramjet on February 14, 2012, 12:56:24 PM
Anybody want to buy a Sig 250?
(http://instantfivedollars.com/New5$.jpg)
?
Quote from: DRKWNG on February 14, 2012, 01:08:33 PM
(http://instantfivedollars.com/New5$.jpg) ?
I'll raise him an Abe. ;D
Quote from: rgramjet on February 14, 2012, 12:56:24 PM
I have a subcompact 250 in 9mm. I thought Id love it but I dont. I also have a 228 and the difference dimensionally between the two is less than 1/2" in any direction.....thickness is just about the same.
Anybody want to buy a Sig 250?
That is the big flaw in the Sig design -- the width. Put the 250 against the Kahr P9 or any of the recent crop of single stack 9s and you see how they missed the boat. Mechanically perfect though.
Anyone have any opinions or FHE with the Ruger SR9 or SR40?
ok, I'll play too...
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/hundredpercentkill/Guns/DSCF1076.jpg)
Quote from: DarkStaR on March 06, 2012, 10:25:40 PM
ok, I'll play too...
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Kimber Stainless Pro TLE/RL II?
Quote from: duc750 on March 06, 2012, 09:53:58 PM
Anyone have any opinions or FHE with the Ruger SR9 or SR40?
I have the mini version of the SR9 (SR9c)
Fits my had well and goes bang when I pull the trigger.
Reliable 100% so far on a diet of hand loads with hard cast lead bullets.
Quote from: RC Fan on March 07, 2012, 05:36:45 AM
Kimber Stainless Pro TLE/RL II?
Custom SS TLE/RL II.
What he said! Nice indeed. [thumbsup]
Dan Wesson .357
(http://catie.smugmug.com/photos/i-SKRhN35/0/M/i-SKRhN35-M.jpg)
My King Cobra:
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My Austrian (not made in USA) Glock 19, Gen 3
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I do like the Glocks and actually own one,
but the thing is a basic self-defense "tool"
they have all the design allure to me
as I would hold for a shovel
Nice Colt wheelgun. I used to have an Anaconda many years ago; 4" in .45 Colt. Friend of mine did some work on the trigger job and really smoothed things out. Really regret letting that thing go, and have been trying to buy it back for the last ten or so years.
Sold my older Gen2 G19 to Roger a few months ago. It was a complete Austria gun, right down to the rollmarks on the slide and barrel.
Quote from: RAT900 on March 11, 2012, 12:27:38 AM
I do like the Glocks and actually own one,
but the thing is a basic self-defense "tool"
they have all the design allure to me
as I would hold for a shovel
This
Its kinda like driving a Toyota Corolla, you know its gonna last forever but it's never gonna win any awards in the looks department. :-\
Quote from: RAT900 on March 11, 2012, 12:27:38 AM
I do like the Glocks and actually own one,
but the thing is a basic self-defense "tool"
they have all the design allure to me
as I would hold for a shovel
None of you have a particularly keen eye.
Quote from: DRKWNG on March 11, 2012, 05:41:08 AM
Sold my older Gen2 G19 to Roger a few months ago. It was a complete Austria gun, right down to the rollmarks on the slide and barrel.
Where did you get it? None of the Gen2 or after were officially imported, all of them are stamped "SMYRNA, GA"..
Mine is a private import. I bought it from an estate.
I am curious about the back of the slide.
Quote from: ducatiz on March 11, 2012, 06:34:53 AM
None of you have a particularly keen eye.
I have a better looking rock. :-*
Quote from: zach on March 11, 2012, 06:44:46 AM
I am curious about the back of the slide.
Saw that too, but realized he was phishing for questions. ;D
Quote from: ducpainter on March 11, 2012, 06:47:43 AM
I have a better looking rock. :-*
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] That about sums up the "design aesthetics" of the Glock...it is an ergonomically, functionally and mechanically correct tool
one where I believe function has trumped form
Quote from: DRKWNG on March 11, 2012, 06:54:35 AM
Saw that too, but realized he was phishing for questions. ;D
:-)
it was a safety mechanism i designed which disables the sear.
i shopped it around some manufacturers, none were interested. everyone came back and said "it looks like an autoswitch"
i made two, one sent in to the tech branch and that one.
Glock = shovel. Good comparo. They do what they are supposed to do (if the operator does their part) and that's all they need to do. You can't make either one pretty. No point. Lipstick on a pig... same same. No harm in that. I love they way they work and fit my hand. If I want to look at something pretty I stare at my wife, go in the garage and look at my 916SPS and 996 or open the safe and look at Pythons, Colt SAAs, Les Baers 1911s, pre 64 Winchester model 94 30-30, etc. If I want to pick up something and know damn good and well it's going to work right now I pick up a Glock... or a shovel. [thumbsup] [popcorn] [bacon] That'll do pig. ;)
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My new Judge! Taking it to the range tomorrow to have a little fun. I traded in my 38 special for it... It's the Public Defense model with a polymer frame and a stainless steel cylinder. Very Happy!!! :)
I like.. how light is it with that frame?
Better that Judge than the one in your divorce... no offense, just saying from personal experience! [laugh]
Don't want/need one of those pistols but I'd love to shoot one. Just had my step son's Dad (who we get along with very well!) give me a box of .410 slugs he found at his Dad's house. His Dad is old and moved into his daughter's house. No one owned a .410 but me so I got 'em. Maybe I'll burn them on a feral hog at my buddy's ranch through my Browning Citori! [thumbsup] [popcorn] Mmmmmmm.... smoked pork tenderloin! [bacon] ;)
I have one Fastwin. Waiting on your call to shoot hogs at the ranch.
Man, I'd love to go to my buddy's west TX ranch and pop some hogs but we come up empty handed all the damn time! [bang] The kiddos (all post college age now/some married) are great hunters and much more industrious than the "old ones". They go out morning and evening every time we gather at the ranch and sit on the corn feeders and don't see shit. One of the boys popped one last December and we smoked that ham and tenderloin at the February meet up. But zero hog sign since then.
It's been about 4 years ago now but my friend caught 11 pigs in his big trap! I saw that herd when we were dove hunting that September and 2 months later he caught them. Not all of them but 11 of the dumb ones. All were about 60-75 lbs, no big ones or little ones. Perfect size!
It was actually quite a chore to off them and get them dressed out... and I don't mean for a prom dance! [bacon] [drool] Can't tell you how many great meals we had off of that for the next year or so. Smoked hams, tenderloin breakfast and dinner tacos, etc... Mmmmmmm!
But that's been it for massive hog sightings. I keep saying we must have trapped or shot all the dumb ones and the smart ones stay away. Same at my place in east Texas. Need to check with my brother. He has a place east of Ennis, TX with a lots of Trinity River wet land/bottom country and lots of hogs. His fields sometimes look like they have been carpet bombed by B-52s they are so torn up.
Would love to step off into a good hog hunt. [thumbsup] [bacon]
What sort of round will take down a hog cleanly? I know people that hunt in Georgia and they all use a rifle round.
Will the 410 shotgun shell take one down?
Quote from: Adamm0621 on April 06, 2012, 10:54:56 PM
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My new Judge! Taking it to the range tomorrow to have a little fun. I traded in my 38 special for it... It's the Public Defense model with a polymer frame and a stainless steel cylinder. Very Happy!!! :)
those grips from Taurus are awesome. I have the Tracker with that same grip and it's like firing a sauce gun.
that grip looks SMALL though, but I assume that's the scale of the gun.
Quote from: CayoHueso on April 09, 2012, 10:39:28 AM
What sort of round will take down a hog cleanly? I know people that hunt in Georgia and they all use a rifle round.
Will the 410 shotgun shell take one down?
Sure, a .410 slug would work. They are tough little suckers though. I'd stick to rifle rounds. Of course shot placement is always important on anything.
I pulled short straw several years ago at my friend's ranch when we trapped three 150+ lb hogs the day we were leaving for home. I was the only one with a pistol... 9mm Glock 19. I had to shoot the pigs and it took me damn near 10-15 minutes to do so. Of course the poor critters were going nuts in the steel trap so there was no such thing as a "sitting target" to shoot at. And of course after I dinged the first one between the eyes the other two went freaking nuts, literally bouncing off the top and sides of the trap and ramming the cage to get at me. I was scared shitless of missing and bouncing a 9mm round off the metal bars and having it hit me! Not good.
It eventually got done but I wouldn't want to do it again with a pistol. When my friend caught the 11 smaller pigs a few years ago we used a 28 gauge shotgun with birdshot. Still wasn't easy but felt a little safer.
Out in the open hunting off a feeder I think a hot .40S&W or .357mag minimum, maybe a .45acp or a .44mag in pistol would be OK. But personally, I'd go shotgun slug or any decent centerfire rifle round.
Ooops, back to pics... enough talk. Thought this was the Gun Stuff thread. [bang]
Quote from: fastwin on April 09, 2012, 12:09:53 PM
Out in the open hunting off a feeder I think a hot .40S&W or .357mag minimum, maybe a .45acp or a .44mag in pistol would be OK. But personally, I'd go shotgun slug or any decent centerfire rifle round.
.41 Mag
(http://www.gunblast.com/images/SHOT2003_Day3/DSC05739.jpg)
That'll work! [thumbsup]
I like ya beard tiz...
Quote from: cokey on April 09, 2012, 05:19:16 PM
I like ya beard tiz...
lol, do you think that's me? i'm nowhere near that purty
Some of my stuff.
Ruger mini-14, Mosburg 500, Stevens 20 ga sbs and Ruger P-89
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Ruger SP-101 327 Federal Magnum
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Browning Buckmark
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The hand cannon 50 cal.
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The new kid on the block S&W M&P 15-22
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[thumbsup]
Hooray for guns!
Rem 700p .308 and perty box to put it in.
the 9mm that I would not mind tossing/using as a hammer, whatever
DMPS M4 in 5.56
few funny pictures at work with guns
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Quote from: WarrenJ on April 12, 2012, 08:01:41 PM
Have you shot that 327 on the bags for accuracy or ran it across the chrono? I'm really interested in what it will do. I have a 10" Single Six in 32 H&R Mag that is an astounding little gun - the 327 should be even more so.
I did a crono shoot with Federal Hydoshock and Federal soft points. Both were between 1398 and 1420. I have not set any bags up yet, but with a SA shot it is dead on! I did not get any grouping data.
It will also shoot the 32 H&R mag and 32 S&W Long. It is fun to shoot the H&R Mag round with this gun. There is no real recoil to speak of.
The 327 is more gun than I thought it would be! ;D
Got this today:
(http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn168/the_journeyman/Misc/DSC_0161-1024.jpg)
JM
can't tell on my phone-- mossberg 500 ?
you'll put that rifle butt on and lose the PG pretty soon if you try it. the PG is fun but not too practical nor useful. can't aim and with the full length barrel its not concealable. pay the tax and get a 12" bbl and the PG has value.
Yes, it's a 500. I figured we'd play around with it in PG form then put the shoulder butt on. Now the tax & a 12" shorty sounds like a fun idea!
JM
Yes, ditch the pistol grip. They look cool in movies but are not so useful in real world applications. If you were in the military or on a SWAT team and just wanted to use it for door breaching rounds and need the compact feature then it would be perfect. Not so much for actual aimed, sighted fire. If you are into trench coats they are also good for robbing convenience stores! [laugh]
Quote from: WarrenJ on April 14, 2012, 06:40:38 AM
Out of the 10" barrel of the single six with 12 grains of LilGun powder and an 85 grain XTP, I'm getting 1550 with the 32 H&R. That long pipe makes a massive difference, but its awful cumbersome.
3 grains of Tightgroup and a 95 grain hollowbase wadcutter gave 1145 out of that long barrel - in a 4" gun it probably wouldn't make 900. I bet that 327 in a 10" would make 1750 - 1800fps. I think that little S&W Scandium revolver in 327 would make a tremendous lightweight carry gun. I wonder if Marlin will come out with a levergun for it like they did for the 32 H&R. One of them with a 16" tube would be a really zippy little carbine.
If anyone ever makes a 327 lever action carbine I will own one! [thumbsup]
This is my favorite 22. I have this rifle dialed in! It is a Talo Ruger 10-22 US shooting team target rifle.
(http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/ducrider45/100_0903.jpg)
(http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/ducrider45/100_0905.jpg)
(http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/ducrider45/100_0906.jpg)
Quote from: ducrider45 on April 15, 2012, 10:58:04 AM
If anyone ever makes a 327 lever action carbine I will own one! [thumbsup]
the .327 (fed mag) was designed as a smaller case round to mimic the .357 magnum, i believe and afaik they only make revolvers with it. given the cost of uncommon ammo, seems the .357 is the right choice for a lever for you if you like the .327 (unless you have a box of wheelguns in it?)
i love the .41 magnum, but it's pricey to shoot for fun.
Quote from: ducrider45 on April 15, 2012, 11:10:30 AM
This is my favorite 22. I have this rifle dialed in! It is a Talo Ruger 10-22 US shooting team target rifle.
(http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/ducrider45/100_0903.jpg)
(http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/ducrider45/100_0905.jpg)
(http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/ducrider45/100_0906.jpg)
WANT!!!!! [drool]
[bacon]
Sweet!! [thumbsup]
Quote from: fastwin on April 15, 2012, 08:23:44 AM
Yes, ditch the pistol grip. They look cool in movies but are not so useful in real world applications. If you were in the military or on a SWAT team and just wanted to use it for door breaching rounds and need the compact feature then it would be perfect. Not so much for actual aimed, sighted fire. If you are into trench coats they are also good for robbing convenience stores! [laugh]
3 words....Surbu Super Shorty...6.5". Technically an AOW, not SBS, so the transfer tax is $5.
(http://www.gunshowreview.com/SHOT2008/images/00-2-5-08-0125.jpg)
Quote from: stateprez on April 16, 2012, 05:43:45 PM
3 words....Surbu Super Shorty...6.5". Technically an AOW, not SBS, so the transfer tax is $5.
(http://www.gunshowreview.com/SHOT2008/images/00-2-5-08-0125.jpg)
You would be busier than a one armed paper hanger on a hit with that gun.
'bout as effective as a twin tube breakover, looks good in old western movies tho....
Yeah, but good for jacking up convenience stores! [thumbsup]
Quote from: WarrenJ on April 15, 2012, 12:38:29 PM
I'm wondering if the Marlin 32 H&R levergun could be converted to 327. The Marlins are usually very picky about round OAL so it may not work without a bunch of messing around. It would be real interesting to see if Ruger might make a 77 in it like the 77-44 and now the 77-357 - or the 96 lever in 327 would be a great gun too.
Maybe. The case is just a bit longer. you would need to lengthen the chamber and re-work the mag tube. If the round has clerance (front to back) in the action, it might work.
I would like the M 77-327 I think.
Quote from: kraptaker on April 16, 2012, 06:51:11 PM
You would be busier than a one armed paper hanger on a hit with that gun.
modify the feed ramp and use these.. get about 6-7 in that S
erbu.
i can load 12 of them into my Mossy 500.. (i think it's 12, it might be 10)
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/AguilaMiniSlug.jpg)
Quote from: ducatiz on April 17, 2012, 10:01:27 AM
modify the feed ramp and use these.. get about 6-7 in that Serbu.
i can load 12 of them into my Mossy 500.. (i think it's 12, it might be 10)
Do you know if they make a breaching round?
Found it, they have bird shot as well.
Quote from: kraptaker on April 17, 2012, 10:10:02 AM
Found it, they have bird shot as well.
bird shot, mixed buckshot and the slug.
no breaching round that i know of.
someone made a shotgun specifically for them a while back, but i haven't seen any lately.
here's one
http://www.securityarms.com/firearm/4543 (http://www.securityarms.com/firearm/4543)
and another one... tacticool and all.. pump entry gun (**correction, this one was designed for the 60mm 12 ga round, the Aquilas are 45mm)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9d/Mag7-sbs.PNG/800px-Mag7-sbs.PNG)
I need to get some of those to feed my 1300 [thumbsup]
Quote from: Grifo on April 17, 2012, 11:09:58 AM
I need to get some of those to feed my 1300 [thumbsup]
they won't work in every shotgun without mod. most need modification of the feed mechanism.
Ahhh... I'd just go old school and use a Rem 870 and 2.75" shells. Why mess with what works 24/7? ;)
Quote from: fastwin on April 17, 2012, 01:25:18 PM
Ahhh... I'd just go old school and use a Rem 870 and 2.75" shells. Why mess with what works 24/7? ;)
you can modify the 870's feed ramp to take the 1.75 shells. why mess with it? you get 12 shells in a tube. ;)
the modification doesn't stop you from using the 2.75 (or 3") shells. so you can put 2 minishells in front of a magnum. sort of a "knock knock BANG"
What's involved in the modification?
Yes, please do tell. ;D
Quote from: rgramjet on April 17, 2012, 02:57:01 PM
What's involved in the modification?
The elevator arms have to be bent some to keep the minishell from flipping.
With a longer shell, the elevator is nearly flat and the lenght of the shell keeps it from flipping in the loading bay. By bending the elevator slightly UP (into the receiver) the minishell is wedged slightly and that keeps it from flipping.
the flip happens right after the slide is moved back (and ejection is complete) when the new shell is released from the tube. if you look closely when working the slide you can see the new shell jumping some.
obviously not an issue on the ithacas and apparently not possible to modify them.
(http://www.freedomgunworks.com/gallery/php/photo/large/Guns/DSC_0414%20(Large).JPG)
Finally got my open gun from Freedom Gunworks. 7.5gr of Vihtavuori N350 under a 124gr CMJ at 1400fps and the dot never leaves the lens [thumbsup]
In case the photo doesn't show up, the link is http://freedomgunworks.com/gallery/php/photo/large/Guns/DSC_0414%20(Large).JPG (http://freedomgunworks.com/gallery/php/photo/large/Guns/DSC_0414%20(Large).JPG)
What's the point of the slots on the slide?
Coolness? Weight reduction?
I like the grips.
Not 45acp?
Quote from: Monsterlover on May 03, 2012, 07:27:15 AM
What's the point of the slots on the slide?
Coolness? Weight reduction?
I like the grips.
Cooling. Lightweight. Faster slide. etc. The grips are cool. Nice looking open gun.
Quote from: fastwin on May 03, 2012, 08:28:20 AM
Not many .45acps in open class IPSC.
Well who's fault is that?
;D
Chambered in regular old 9x19. The slots in the slide are mainly for weight reduction (lighter slide = less dot movement). The reason for no 45s in open division is the magazine restrictions. You are limited to 170mm of length. I can get 29 rounds in a magazine, where as you might only get 18-20 with a 45.
What he said. [thumbsup]
Like the hooker said in Full Metal Jacket... "not you, you too big!" [laugh] [laugh]
That is a 5.4" Schuemann Ultimatch barrel. I am loading the 9x19 at 1.165" with a Montana Gold 124 CMJ and a Federal small rifle primer. My velocity will vary between 1390 and 1415 for a 172-175 power factor. When loading 9-Major, you must throw all published load data out the window and cross your fingers. I worked all of my major loads up SLOWLY with a chronograph. I will sometimes start out using small pistol primers so I can tell when the pressure is getting high. It looks like you poured that primer into the pocket. With the small rifle, they have nice round edges and no flow [thumbsup]. I still want to experiment with some HS6 and 115gr JHPs. Now we are talking in the 1525fps range.
I haven't tried 3N37 yet, but I do have a pound. I have a 3N38 load of 8.9gr with the same specs as my N350 load. That was an absolute pregnant dog to get that bullet crushed down to 1.165 [bang] The case was flush to the top with powder
Quote from: WarrenJ on May 03, 2012, 07:53:20 PM- primer must have hit the ejector or some other point causing it to detonate.
that is pretty odd, how thick is the ejector on that gun? if the extractor is pulling correctly, it shouldn't have been open at any point to allow the ejector in.
hows the firing pin spring on that gun?
I have seen it happen on STI 2011s with long loaded .40 ammo. It seems that all of the planets have to be in alignment for this to happen, but it IS possible
Can we keep this thread for showing off guns instead of chatter?
Please?
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSBR_Ijpx9VCAqtNXGFJcljIsAKt4LpQW0BdQvoQATdETAoIC1AdnJggf6Gyg)
I wonder if on www.uziforum.il (http://www.uziforum.il) they have an "official show off your Ducati" thread...
Quote from: WarrenJ on May 03, 2012, 08:46:54 PM
Commander ejectors are considerably longer than standard ones. It may not have been the ejector - and I doubt it could have been the firing pin due to finding the bullet laying outside the gun. If it had been the firing pin, the bullet would in all likelihood made it into the chamber or bore. These types of issues have been documented before - they are rare but they do happen. I am very glad I did'nt have my fingers over the ejection port, I'd have probably lost a couple.
I had it happen ONCE on a Kimel AP9:
(http://www.imfdb.org/w/images/d/d5/AP9-Pistol.jpg)
The plastic receiver exploded. I can't explain what happened at all, it was so fast. The gun was a POS that I bought at a show for $150 and two coins, so it was a toy. No injury fortunately, the shattered receiver took all the blast. Blew the mag out the bottom. I may have the pieces somewhere.
I had a 45ACP round do this to me. I was shooting a rented Beretta Cougar. It was a FTF. I set the gun down facing down range for a good two mins. I went and got the range master and let him know of the FTF. He said clear it after one min. As I was racking the slide; BOOM! Slow cooker. I did not get hurt. It scared us all!
Same gun did the same thing twice more, only the round went off as I picked the gun up to clear it. I returned the gun and got all of my money back.
(http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac51/rllout/c64d6f22.jpg)
Those look like fun [thumbsup]
Quote from: Monsterlover on May 05, 2012, 09:47:58 AM
Those look like fun [thumbsup]
Yes they are. [thumbsup]
Quote from: DucNaked on May 05, 2012, 01:29:30 PM
Yes they are. [thumbsup]
When did you get the tacticool rifle? ;D
Quote from: ducpainter on May 05, 2012, 03:53:46 PM
When did you get the tacticool rifle? ;D
Last fall. It's a just a 22 plinker [thumbsup] Fun and cheap.
Quote from: DucNaked on May 05, 2012, 05:41:42 PM
Last fall. It's a just a 22 plinker [thumbsup] Fun and cheap.
22lr is the way to go. [thumbsup]
Quote from: ducpainter on May 05, 2012, 05:44:08 PM
22lr is the way to go. [thumbsup]
It keeps my yard free of unwanted critters. ;)
Quote from: DucNaked on May 05, 2012, 05:47:33 PM
It keeps my yard free of unwanted critters. ;)
Plenty of 'wanted critters' have met their demise from a 22lr... ;) ;D
Here's one of my 45s: Springfield Armory TRP.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7275/7123246081_bddc5827d5.jpg)
Quote from: Gadgetech on May 07, 2012, 03:33:52 PM
Here's one of my 45s: Springfield Armory TRP.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7275/7123246081_bddc5827d5.jpg)
Beautiful! I have a Loaded on order.
Got a new inside the belt holster for my subcompact 3" S&W 1911 Pro Series.
It fits SO much better than my old one. The only thing I don't like is the fact I can't carry an extra mag.
Any ideas?
(http://s13.postimage.org/or8qpyyfn/photo_1.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/or8qpyyfn/)
Quote from: CayoHueso on May 07, 2012, 08:16:10 PMThe only thing I don't like is the fact I can't carry an extra mag.
Why?
Quote from: kraptaker on May 07, 2012, 08:20:06 PM
Why?
I've just always had holsters with an extra mag and practice mag drops while at the range with my carry holster.
I suppose if eight Winchester SPX hollow points don't do the trick...I have a shitty shot, right?
Quote from: CayoHueso on May 07, 2012, 08:43:11 PM
I've just always had holsters with an extra mag and practice mag drops while at the range with my carry holster.
I suppose if eight Winchester SPX hollow points don't do the trick...I have a shitty shot, right?
Just get a single mag pouch that mounts on your belt.
Quote from: kraptaker on May 07, 2012, 08:56:14 PM
Just get a single mag pouch that mounts on your belt.
Yeah, I've thought about that but the area I live in is a little hyper sensitive and will call the police on you if you look different. I am not turning this in a cop bashing way at all.
I was at the grocery store last year and I was reaching for something and must have flashed my gun in my jeans.
I was met walking out of the store with three officers with their guns pointed at my head. They were just doing their job. All was fine, we had a great chat about overly sensitive people, etc. I bought them all a Starbucks and we went on our merry ways. I am still friends with one to this day.
Quote from: CayoHueso on May 07, 2012, 08:16:10 PM
...
The only thing I don't like is the fact I can't carry an extra mag.
Any ideas?
...
I ordered same-key safes from Center of Mass... they have in-pocket mag holders (wallets) for about $20 (http://www.center-of-mass.com/Store_Holsters.htm). They'll hide the outline of the mag if you're that concerned about it not being visible to the neighbors. These aren't really a tactical/speed option, but it would be better than not having a spare with you.
Last time...
this is a picture thread...
not a discussion thread.
There's a thread for that. [thumbsup] [bacon]
Quote from: ducpainter on May 08, 2012, 06:35:10 AM
Last time...
this is a picture thread...
not a discussion thread.
(http://s10.postimage.org/snyc6orw5/photo_6.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/snyc6orw5/)
My current Arsenal... 12ga Remington 887 NitroMag Tactical, Beretta PX4 Storm 40 S&W, Taurus Judge PD Poly 45LC & .410ga. : )
(http://i1173.photobucket.com/albums/r594/Adamm0621/Facebook/Guns/412072_3242281939991_114275154_o.jpg)
Just picked the shotgun up on Friday...
(http://i1173.photobucket.com/albums/r594/Adamm0621/Facebook/Guns/415237_3242280059944_1355109455_32417602_139127800_o.jpg)
Some fun at the range...
(http://i1173.photobucket.com/albums/r594/Adamm0621/Facebook/Guns/414244_3242241698985_16105413_o.jpg)
Birdshot at 25 yards.
(http://i1173.photobucket.com/albums/r594/Adamm0621/Facebook/Guns/416685_3242242819013_304910930_o.jpg)
00 Buckshot and Slugs at 25 yards.
After buying and shooting the shotgun on Friday, and taking my CCDW class on Saturday, this has been a good weekend so far. ;D
Put me down as a shotgun fan. ;) [thumbsup]
Quote from: fastwin on May 28, 2012, 11:29:14 AM
Put me down as a shotgun fan. ;) [thumbsup]
Me too. I hope to own a couple one of these days :)
Backyard fun
(http://i1089.photobucket.com/albums/i356/Firefighter1291/946719e6.jpg)
Sweet. That's got fun written all over it! Any squirrels survive the day? [laugh] [popcorn]
Quote from: Fireman1291 on June 14, 2012, 05:06:23 PM
Backyard fun
(http://i1089.photobucket.com/albums/i356/Firefighter1291/946719e6.jpg)
Nice!
What 1911 is that above your Springfield please?
I just heard back from Sarah Rittgers in regards to T's percussion smoothbore.
Here's what she said...
Thank you for your emails requesting information on your rifle in your possession.
After viewing the photos you sent, I believed the rifle in your possession was Austrian. I wasn't quite sure so I sent your photos to the firearms curator, Jonathan Ferguson, who works for the Royal Armouries which is the National Museum of Arms and Armour in the United Kingdom. He also came to the conclusion that it is Austrian. He wrote that based on the photos, it appears to be a Model 1842. Ferguson further writes that the Model 1842 retained the finger grooves of the French M1777/1822 series, the style of conversion is the same, and the double-eagle is pretty conclusive. This firearm could well have been brought over after being sold out of military service in Austria, or sold/transported to Prussia.
I hope this information helps!
I can't take a decent pic of it so here's a web image...
(http://psmilitaria.50megs.com/images/1605.jpg)
Thanks to Triangleforge for the referral to get it identified.
That's cool!
Quote from: Monsterlover on June 19, 2012, 04:06:56 PM
That's cool!
Now I need to figure out if one of T's relatives was in the Austrian army.
That would be cool.
Quote from: RC Fan on June 19, 2012, 01:30:31 PM
Nice!
What 1911 is that above your Springfield please?
Its a GSG1911 .22lr [thumbsup]
Thanks!
That rifle uses caps to light it up?
Quote from: cokey on June 19, 2012, 05:20:10 PM
That rifle uses caps to light it up?
Sort of...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percussion_cap (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percussion_cap)
Quote from: Fireman1291 on June 19, 2012, 04:16:50 PM
Its a GSG1911 .22lr [thumbsup]
Is that the faux suppressor version? Does the barrel come threaded 1/2x28?
Not guns, but gun related:
(http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn168/the_journeyman/Misc/DSC_0250-1200.jpg)
The Zombiemax (9mm) is just for S&G the Magtech (9mm) is for annoying paper, and the bottom one is for the Moss 12GA, so I can introduce it to my wife who has never fired a shotgun.
JM
After months of waiting for them to fill the container coming out of Romania....I fully stripped all the cosmoline and sanded/refinished the furniture on my new AK47. Finally got to shoot it this last Saturday....it is sooooo much fun and accurate which means I lucked out and didn't get canted sights [laugh]
(http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh634/bmillervw/IMG_1800.jpg)
(http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh634/bmillervw/5E804CF1-38CE-41EC-84CA-4206A4A7C069.jpg)
(http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh634/bmillervw/C9856F68-4D36-45C7-8ADD-1AC03DA8D1A7.jpg)
Quote from: BMiller on August 06, 2012, 06:14:51 AM
After months of waiting for them to fill the container coming out of Romania....I fully stripped all the cosmoline and sanded/refinished the furniture on my new AK47. Finally got to shoot it this last Saturday....it is sooooo much fun and accurate which means I lucked out and didn't get canted sights [laugh]
(http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh634/bmillervw/IMG_1800.jpg)
It can't have come directly from Romania, we can't get fully functional AK's imported (no receiver) and ATF banned the barrels from import in 2005 -- unless it was imported as a single-stack version and then hogged out to take a regular magazine...
It's a "new" 1986 WASR that Century Arms imported. I was "told" by the people at www.impactguns.com (http://www.impactguns.com) that the reason I was waiting was that Century Arms would not ship them in from Romania until they could fill a full container. I was under the impression the ban only covered post 1986 rifles. Either way, just glad I finally have it and I'm loving it [thumbsup]
When did we start doing gun law?
Quote from: ducatiz on August 06, 2012, 07:32:20 AM
What does the receiver say? Made in USA or made in Romania?
Made in Romania.
great thread, whats better then guns and ducati's? well maybe a few other things :D
well here they are I just threw the ka-bar in for good measure. A new one will hopefully be joining the crew here in the next few months...
(http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q568/captinrob/IMAG0066.jpg)
Quote from: ducpainter on August 06, 2012, 10:24:55 AM
When did we start doing gun law?
Vizualize a mental picture of a white flag being raised. Move along here people. Just firearm pics.
Quote from: BMiller on August 06, 2012, 10:29:57 AM
Made in Romania.
Im very interested in this gun........ did you get anything from CA regarding it? I have several Romie parts kits and have not seen any double stack WASR receivers for a long time.....
http://youtu.be/zKR_FF50RLA (http://youtu.be/zKR_FF50RLA)
My Ruger 10/22 build is almost finished....just need to put my scope and bipod on now:
(http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh634/bmillervw/IMG_9318.jpg)
[beer]
Not much wheel gun love in a while...
My new (to me) early model 28
(Crappy cell phone pic)
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y283/ouchmyhearthurts/IMAG0294.jpg)
I hate guns ! No gun here !
Quote from: ab on August 25, 2012, 11:14:11 AM
I hate guns ! No gun here !
Then you probably shouldn't post in this thread. [thumbsup]
First off, I love revolvers! They never go out of style and always work.
And yes, if you hate guns why are you even looking at this thread? ??? Do you hate chain saws, lawn mowers and knives and forks too? They are all just objects, metal things... what people do with them is a totally different story. Both good and bad.
For all the guns you don't have that means there are more for someone else to own. ;D
[laugh]
I love guns! lots of guns here!
Here is my new CCW (some more wheel gun love) It is a 6 shot Ruger SP 101 in 327 Fed Mag.
(http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/ducrider45/DSCF5611.jpg)
This is not my gun, but I did get to shoot it! (click on the image for the video clip)
(http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/ducrider45/th_IMG_0073.jpg) (http://s674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/ducrider45/?action=view¤t=IMG_0073.mp4)
HKS speedloaders?
I've got two of the early SP101 wheelguns in .357mag that were massaged by Jack Weigand and barrel ported by Mag-na-port. Glad I had them worked on long ago because it seems like Weigand only makes scope mounts these days. My SP101s are sweet and slick but they are only five shot revolvers. They are a nice twist on the S&W J frame guns.
Ha ha so easy to get you folks going!
Quote from: fastwin on August 25, 2012, 01:29:24 PM
First off, I love revolvers! They never go out of style and always work.
+11tb
I have equal love for single/double barrel shotguns and single shot rifles. They never fail and you better know what the make the beast with two backs you're doing since you only have so many chances. [thumbsup]
Quote from: ducrider45 on August 25, 2012, 02:19:39 PM
I love guns! lots of guns here!
Here is my new CCW (some more wheel gun love) It is a 6 shot Ruger SP 101 in 327 Fed Mag.
(http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/ducrider45/DSCF5611.jpg)
This is not my gun, but I did get to shoot it! (click on the image for the video clip)
(http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/ducrider45/th_IMG_0073.jpg) (http://s674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/ducrider45/?action=view¤t=IMG_0073.mp4)
I have to admit that I was never a wheel gun fan before the first time I saw a pic of this gun. For some reason the look of that thing is just cool.
Got my attention :D
New gun alert! Just came out! [beer]
Video review: AAC Handi-Rifle 300 blk out (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oNhJTQPGrU#)
My .45 Hawken, shot for the first time in 6 months today
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y283/ouchmyhearthurts/IMAG0318.jpg)
Quote from: Monsterlover on August 25, 2012, 07:17:48 PM
I have to admit that I was never a wheel gun fan before the first time I saw a pic of this gun. For some reason the look of that thing is just cool.
Got my attention :D
AWESOME! I'm glad I could help. I was not much of a fan until after I had shot one. Some randome dude let me shoot his 44 mag. It was a bit much at the time, but I hit a shot that I did not think that I could hit. I decided to get one for the collection. I picked up a S&W 686+ (7shot)357Mag. I fell in love with it. It's too big for a CCW. I had a compact 1911 as my carry gun for a while. It failed to fire once, so I switched to a wheel gun.
My all time favorite wheelguns are K frame Smiths. As I've said before, a good revolver ALWAYS works. And if you get your speedloader reloads down you can stay in any revolver vs semi auto fight... hopefully. ;D
One of my all time favorite shooting classes was a revolver only class. We shot 1,000-1,200 rounds over a Sat./Sun. weekend class. There were only 6 of us so we got to shoot like crazy all weekend!
Damn near wore out my HKS and Safariland speedloaders! [laugh] Used my S&W model 65 that has been slicked up by Jack Weigand. Shot mostly .38s but buzzed through my stash of .357mags too. More fun than you could imagine! Everything is all semi autos these days, but as much as I love the autos the wheelgun class kicked ass... tons of fun and learned a ton! Win-win. [thumbsup]
I am not really a big gun fan, but Jacksonville has some lousy areas that I have to drive through so I took a Saturday class at Shooters on University Blvd and got my permit to carry a concealed firearm. I wanted a little gun that I could easily conceal. I typically wear board shorts, so I needed one that would easily be concealed. After trying out several guns, I settled on the Ruger LC9.
It turned out to be a nice little carry gun and shoots very nice.
(http://s13.postimage.org/keowln3tf/photo.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/keowln3tf/)
^^^ 'Doood' nice little gun. "Surfing's the source man......I swear to God". ;)
Quote from: Cicero on August 26, 2012, 08:56:29 PM
My .45 Hawken, shot for the first time in 6 months today
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y283/ouchmyhearthurts/IMAG0318.jpg)
One of my all-time favorites. [thumbsup]
Quote from: JaxSurfer on August 27, 2012, 03:44:02 PM
I am not really a big gun fan, but Jacksonville has some lousy areas that I have to drive through so I took a Saturday class at Shooters on University Blvd and got my permit to carry a concealed firearm. I wanted a little gun that I could easily conceal. I typically wear board shorts, so I needed one that would easily be concealed. After trying out several guns, I settled on the Ruger LC9.
It turned out to be a nice little carry gun and shoots very nice.
(http://s13.postimage.org/keowln3tf/photo.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/keowln3tf/)
Good for you! [thumbsup] Practice, practice and then practice some more! Look into some tactical/self-defense handgun classes in your area. Maybe search out an IDPA outfit and shoot some of their courses of fire. Did I mention that you should practice? [laugh] [beer] Be safe out there.
Quote from: triangleforge on August 27, 2012, 04:00:50 PM
One of my all-time favorites. [thumbsup]
I would like to build a 40 to 48 inch flintlock next, some of the older guys I shoot against put up 4 inch groups shooting off hand @ 100 yards with them. :o
Quote from: JaxSurfer on August 27, 2012, 03:44:02 PM
I am not really a big gun fan, but Jacksonville has some lousy areas that I have to drive through so I took a Saturday class at Shooters on University Blvd and got my permit to carry a concealed firearm. I wanted a little gun that I could easily conceal. I typically wear board shorts, so I needed one that would easily be concealed. After trying out several guns, I settled on the Ruger LC9.
It turned out to be a nice little carry gun and shoots very nice.
(http://s13.postimage.org/keowln3tf/photo.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/keowln3tf/)
AWESOME! Thank you for taking on the responsibility! Get lots of practice. [thumbsup]
Thanks, guys. I will definitely look into a self defense class as I would like to feel more comfortable in a situation if I did need to draw. I know the laws on what I can and can't do, but would like to be prepared in the event it needs to be used. I have a very good friend who is a Secret Service Agent and he is going to the range with me when he is in town to teach me how to carry myself better, some shooting tips, and some defensive moves. It's definitely nice to have a friend like that!
Quote from: Fireman1291 on August 26, 2012, 03:51:38 AM
New gun alert! Just came out! [beer]
Video review: AAC Handi-Rifle 300 blk out (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oNhJTQPGrU#)
Is this your review/ you in the video? If so, I watch your youtube videos all of the time. These videos helped me make up my mind to get a suppressor. If it is you, Thanks! [thumbsup]
Not my gun but the one we were using stated in the other thread...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bse9MI0wEKg&feature=youtube_gdata_player (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bse9MI0wEKg&feature=youtube_gdata_player)
Quote from: JaxSurfer on August 27, 2012, 03:44:02 PM
I am not really a big gun fan, but Jacksonville has some lousy areas that I have to drive through so I took a Saturday class at Shooters on University Blvd and got my permit to carry a concealed firearm. I wanted a little gun that I could easily conceal. I typically wear board shorts, so I needed one that would easily be concealed. After trying out several guns, I settled on the Ruger LC9.
It turned out to be a nice little carry gun and shoots very nice.
(http://s13.postimage.org/keowln3tf/photo.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/keowln3tf/)
Im looking in to getting one as well. I wanted to rent one first. I cant find a rental.
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/28330536@N04/7980441465/)
Flickr changed and now I'm an idiot and can't post pictures. Anyway, here's my newest...FN SCAR 17. Traded a couple bolt guns that I don't really use for it.
Quote from: Dannyboy on September 13, 2012, 12:02:46 PM
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/28330536@N04/7980441465/)
Flickr changed and now I'm an idiot and can't post pictures. Anyway, here's my newest...FN SCAR 17. Traded a couple bolt guns that I don't really use for it.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8438/7980441465_1e6e5a1162_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28330536@N04/7980441465/)
iPhone pics (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28330536@N04/7980441465/#) by DannoNJ (http://www.flickr.com/people/28330536@N04/), on Flickr
Quote from: ducpainter on September 13, 2012, 12:06:43 PM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8438/7980441465_1e6e5a1162_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28330536@N04/7980441465/)
iPhone pics (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28330536@N04/7980441465/#) by DannoNJ (http://www.flickr.com/people/28330536@N04/), on Flickr
[thumbsup]
That SCAR is awesome! For some reason we cannot have those in Canada.
Thanks, DP.
Quote from: Dannyboy on September 13, 2012, 03:14:29 PM
Thanks, DP.
No problem...
did you figure out where you went wrong?
Nope. I looked at the link in your post and that was exactly what I had.
Quote from: Dannyboy on September 13, 2012, 05:26:31 PM
Nope. I looked at the link in your post and that was exactly what I had.
Actually...
they're different.
Yours is...(http://www.flickr.com/photos/28330536@N04/7980441465/)
Mine is...
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8438/7980441465_1e6e5a1162_c.jpg)
^^^ [thumbsup]
[drool]
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/DMF/77c74c75.jpg)
Quote from: ducatiz on September 14, 2012, 11:24:53 AM
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/DMF/77c74c75.jpg)
Coyote Tan....so hot right now.
...and + [drool] on the SCAR.
What caliber is that Ugh boot? [laugh]
[thumbsup] ;)
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h286/CPrezioso/photo_zpsc1b795c7.jpg)
InstaHipster pic with 33rd mag for hooligan effect. 17 rounders fit flush.
Quote from: duccarlos on September 13, 2012, 12:42:48 PM
[thumbsup]
I shot my buddies SCAR 17 last weekend.
I want one.........really, really really BAD !!!!! [bang]
I shot mine when it still belonged to my buddy but I haven't had the opportunity to shoot since it's been mine. I need to zero the scope I added.
Why favor the SCAR over an AR?
Where are the pics?
Pics?...What Pics......
Brought this home this evening. Spent the evening disassembling, removing cosmoline, and then reassembling.
(http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn168/the_journeyman/2012-10-04211730.jpg)
(http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn168/the_journeyman/2012-10-04211654.jpg)
JM
^^ [thumbsup]
Quote from: the_Journeyman on October 04, 2012, 06:18:46 PM
Brought this home this evening. Spent the evening disassembling, removing cosmoline, and then reassembling.
(http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn168/the_journeyman/2012-10-04211730.jpg)
(http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn168/the_journeyman/2012-10-04211654.jpg)
JM
You got a Yugo!
That's why it had so much friggin' cosmoline on it!
I'll post some pics of my SKS's later..
The >ONLY< downside of the Yugo SKS is the barrel is not chrome lined. The Yugoslavs didn't have any chromium, so that's the only SKS with no chrome lined barrel. That just means you have to be good about cleaning it and oiling it when you shoot, esp any milsurp which is often corrosive.
The Yugo 7.62x39 is some of the best AK/SKS ammo made.
I'm excited to give it a try! Assembly had plenty of oil, but I'll be sure to keep up maintenance!
JM
Quote from: the_Journeyman on October 04, 2012, 07:39:45 PM
I'm excited to give it a try! Assembly had plenty of oil, but I'll be sure to keep up maintenance!
JM
The SKS is about as easy as it comes with maintenance.
Damn, it looks like SurplusRifle.com is gone too. They used to have some really good stuff about the SKS as well as simonov.org. (also gone).
The Yugo had some small differences from the other models of SKS, but they are considered to be one of the better ones.
Is the muzzle device the original one? If it is, then you can use a NATO M1A2 grenade launcher with it
(http://dblomq.tripod.com/images/m1a2gren.jpg)
As promised. (click on pix for large version)
Top= standard SKS (Norinco, chinese)
Second = carbine SKS, 4" shorter barrel, aka "Paratrooper" (never actually used in any military)
Third = SKS "D" model -- takes AK mags
Fourth = Carbine model with a "monte carlo" stock.
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/th_100_1546_zpsd2403c92.jpg) (http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/100_1546_zpsd2403c92.jpg)
Closeup of the mag well on the D model -- that's a 20 round Hungarian AK mag. The D models were made to try to get around the AW ban in 1994 -- the bayonet lug is not usable and they used the thumbhole style stock to make it more like a hunting rifle.. no go.
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/th_100_1548_zps3e4d581d.jpg) (http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/100_1548_zps3e4d581d.jpg)
Carbine vs rifle versions
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/th_100_1550_zps2ef14d30.jpg) (http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/100_1550_zps2ef14d30.jpg)
And just for fun.
This is a Spanish Mauser, called the FR8, made at the La Coruna armory. It's a small ring mauser, originally in 7mm. They rearsenaled them in the late 1950s or so and rebarreled them with 7.62NATO. I cannot tell you how much fun it is to shoot. Notice the HK style sights and the CETME style birdcage and profile. I have a special "thing" for smallish bolt action rifles in .308 / 7.62..
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/th_100_1552_zpsae48f4de.jpg) (http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/100_1552_zpsae48f4de.jpg)(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/th_100_1553_zps3c5f003b.jpg) (http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/100_1553_zps3c5f003b.jpg)(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/th_100_1554_zps17b9abae.jpg) (http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/100_1554_zps17b9abae.jpg)
Nice collection!
JM
Quote from: the_Journeyman on October 05, 2012, 03:33:04 AM
Nice collection!
JM
That's actually just a sample of the SKSs that I have, I have 3 others.. They used to be DIRT cheap back in the day. You could get a Norinco SKS for around $200 and that usually came with 5-6 boxes of chinese SKS ammo. Good times!
They are not super accurate. I always snicker when I see one at the range kitted out to look like a "sniper" rifle. They are an infantry rifle only, and it's a joke to try to get more out of them than that. MAYBE if you could turn a new heavy barrel, but no one has every done that.
They are just fun as hell.
Sweet Ruger!!! My step son's Dad has his Dad's Ruger of that same vintage. I have jokingly told my step son I should "inherit" it before he does! [laugh]
Funny... I just gave junior my MKII stainless bull barrel Ruger. I have a blue bull barrel MKII that I will keep. Just thought junior needed a good .22lr pistol before he gets Grand Dad's gun. That is if I don't get it first! [laugh] [laugh]
I pickup up a new toy at the last gun show, Siaga .223. Of coarse after shooting it only once I could not resist converting it back to its former Russian glory. Here are the before & after pics.
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/bmeath/000_0001-1.jpg)
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/bmeath/000_0002-1.jpg)
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/bmeath/000_0003.jpg)
Quote from: caperix on October 13, 2012, 06:39:42 AM
I pickup up a new toy at the last gun show, Siaga .223. Of coarse after shooting it only once I could not resist converting it back to its former Russian glory. Here are the before & after pics.
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/bmeath/000_0003.jpg)
did you move the trigger or have someone do it?
I did it myself, it's pretty easy, only about 5 rivets to grind/drill out. The rifles have the hole for the pistol grip nuts in them unlike the shotguns so if your really wanted to you could reuse the trigger guard.
We had a fun shoot fest last weekend [evil]...........sorry bout the crappy cell phone pic. :(
(http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc308/hammerbone_photos/shooting9-23-11032.jpg)
Mmmmm... AUGs! [thumbsup] [bow_down]
Here's an early birthday present from my wife. [clap]
Picked it up yesterday. It was purchased 10 days prior to that, but, in its infinite wisdom and unbounded charity for my well being, the State of California had previously decreed that I must wait 10 days prior to taking delivery. [thumbsdown]
Mossberg 500 Tri-Rail 12 gauge, 20in barrel, holds 7+1 shells. [thumbsup]
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll176/nordog59/Mossberg500Tri-Rail.jpg)
Quote from: NorDog on October 24, 2012, 06:42:05 AM
Here's an early birthday present from my wife. [clap]
Picked it up yesterday. It was purchased 10 days prior to that, but, in its infinite wisdom and unbounded charity for my well being, the State of California had previously decreed that I must wait 10 days prior to taking delivery. [thumbsdown]
Mossberg 500 Tri-Rail 12 gauge, 20in barrel, holds 7+1 shells. [thumbsup]
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll176/nordog59/Mossberg500Tri-Rail.jpg)
Nice. They started making the 500s with a longer tube finally. You can't swap the barrel with most model 500s because the tube is shorter on most of them. Then again, you probably don't care.. :-).. Nice wifey!
Quote from: ducatiz on October 24, 2012, 07:12:36 AM
Nice. They started making the 500s with a longer tube finally. You can't swap the barrel with most model 500s because the tube is shorter on most of them. Then again, you probably don't care.. :-).. Nice wifey!
The 7 shell tube has always been around. Call Mossburg directly to order other barrels. It is generally cheaper to buy direct from them. Most gun stores only stock the barrels for the 5 shell tube.
Quote from: ducrider45 on October 24, 2012, 07:41:29 AM
The 7 shell tube has always been around. Call Mossburg directly to order other barrels. It is generally cheaper to buy direct from them. Most gun stores only stock the barrels for the 5 shell tube.
I have to say I am surprised as I've NEVER seen one until recently and they certainly weren't in their catalogue several (well, 10+ years ago)....
I have several Mossbergs... 18.5" barreled 500s that I added factory ghost ring sights to, a couple of 590A1s and even two Class III 14" scatterguns with factory ghost rings. Damn good reliable pump guns! I think the Marines use the 590s. And with nothing in the way they load faster than Remingtons or Benellis. Like a revolver the faster you shoot the quicker you have to reload. [thumbsup]
I still have dibs on that pair I hope....
Quote from: ducatiz on October 24, 2012, 07:43:30 AM
I have to say I am surprised as I've NEVER seen one until recently and they certainly weren't in their catalogue several (well, 10+ years ago)....
The "all weather" or "marine use" M-500 has had 7 shell tube for a long time. They had a home defence 9 shell tube gun back in the day. I thought that it was way too long and got the standard 18.5" slug gun. Here is what I built out of it. AKA "FUBAR Wrench"
(http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/ducrider45/000_0002.jpg)
Picked up a new old rifle...
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8238/8468877130_c9b94573d2_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/26408631@N02/8468877130/)
Mosin 002 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/26408631@N02/8468877130/#) by nh_painter (http://www.flickr.com/people/26408631@N02/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8525/8468876382_1430b0ecbf_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/26408631@N02/8468876382/)
Mosin 001 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/26408631@N02/8468876382/#) by nh_painter (http://www.flickr.com/people/26408631@N02/), on Flickr
1943 M38 Carbine
Hmm, is that possibly what Marines carried in WWII assaults?
JM
Quote from: the_Journeyman on February 12, 2013, 05:47:02 PM
Hmm, is that possibly what Marines carried in WWII assaults?
JM
Not unless they found one on the battlefield.
[drool]
Quote from: ducpainter on February 12, 2013, 03:09:42 PM
Picked up a new old rifle...
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8238/8468877130_c9b94573d2_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/26408631@N02/8468877130/)
Mosin 002 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/26408631@N02/8468877130/#) by nh_painter (http://www.flickr.com/people/26408631@N02/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8525/8468876382_1430b0ecbf_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/26408631@N02/8468876382/)
Mosin 001 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/26408631@N02/8468876382/#) by nh_painter (http://www.flickr.com/people/26408631@N02/), on Flickr
1943 M38 Carbine
Sweet! [thumbsup]
Quote from: the_Journeyman on February 12, 2013, 05:47:02 PM
Hmm, is that possibly what Marines carried in WWII assaults?
JM
They mostly carried this:
(http://www.capitanhipower.com/Photos/M1Rifle.jpg)
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=865012 (http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=865012)
plus this coupon:
SH755
is about 19c per round.
there are better coupons around.
I have about 10 of them in my garage, they'll last 100 years.
Quote from: ducpainter on February 12, 2013, 03:09:42 PM
Picked up a new old rifle...
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8238/8468877130_c9b94573d2_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/26408631@N02/8468877130/)
Mosin 002 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/26408631@N02/8468877130/#) by nh_painter (http://www.flickr.com/people/26408631@N02/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8525/8468876382_1430b0ecbf_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/26408631@N02/8468876382/)
Mosin 001 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/26408631@N02/8468876382/#) by nh_painter (http://www.flickr.com/people/26408631@N02/), on Flickr
1943 M38 Carbine
Quote from: DRKWNG on February 13, 2013, 02:00:08 PM
They mostly carried this:
(http://www.capitanhipower.com/Photos/M1Rifle.jpg)
Not sure of the numbers, but many infantry carried the M1903 and they continued making them thru the A3 and A4 models until the end of the war.
Quote from: ducatiz on February 13, 2013, 04:50:59 PM
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=865012 (http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=865012)
plus this coupon:
SH755
is about 19c per round.
there are better coupons around.
I have about 10 of them in my garage, they'll last 100 years.
10 M 38's or 10 spam cans?
One way...you have a problem...
the other...
you're prepared. ;D
Quote from: ducpainter on February 13, 2013, 05:34:05 PM
10 M 38's or 10 spam cans?
One way...you have a problem...
the other...
you're prepared. ;D
cases..2 spam cans each. i have a few mosins, i bought a few M44s when they were super cheap. i have a couple of Finn mosins too. I love Mosins.
i buy ammo when its cheap, whether or not i have a gun for it. i think i paid about 5c round for most of the mosin ammo i have when it first started showing up.
milsurp ammo always dries up and always goes up in value. i bought 5 pallets of the tokarev ammo for cheap. i sold a single spam can of it recently and that paid for the entire original purchase.
Quote from: ducatiz on February 13, 2013, 04:53:10 PM
Not sure of the numbers, but many infantry carried the M1903 and they continued making them thru the A3 and A4 models until the end of the war.
You're correct about the M1903 use and continued manufacture pretty much throughout WWII, didn't know that and thought the M1 had taken over by then.
Quoted from Wikipedia: "The M1903 and the M1903A3 rifle were used in combat alongside the M1 Garand by the U.S. military during World War II and saw extensive use and action in the hands of U.S. troops in Europe, North Africa, and the Pacific. The U.S. Marines were initially armed with M1903 rifles in early battles in the Pacific, such as the Battle of Guadalcanal, but the jungle battle environment generally favored self-loading rifles;[13] later Army units arriving to the island were armed with the M1 Garand.[14] The U.S. Army Rangers were also a major user of the M1903 and the M1903A3 during World War II with the Springfield being preferred over the M1 Garand for certain commando missions.
According to Bruce Canfield's encyclopedic U.S. Infantry Weapons of WW II, final variants of the M1903 (the A3 and A4) were delivered in February 1944. By then, most American combat troops had been re-equipped with the M1 Garand. However, some front-line infantry units in both the U.S. Army and Marine Corps retained M1903s as infantry rifles beyond that date and continued to use them alongside the M1 Garand until the end of the Second World War in 1945. The Springfield remained in service for snipers (using the M1903A4), grenadiers (using a spigot type rifle 22 mm grenade launcher) and Marine Scout Sniper units."
I'm partial to M14's and saw one for sale yesterday at the Reno Gun Show. It had a serial number about 5,000 and I could care less about serial numbers, also allegedly had some upgrades, match barrel, etc., guy was asking $3400. Aaaargh.
Shifting gears a bit.
Here's a shot of my Del-Ton Echo 316 M.O.E.
It came with a lot of Magpul stuff but I added a bit more such as the sling attachements, the rear sight, and the little lever thingie that allows you to lock/release the bolt with the right index finger (works great btw).
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll176/nordog59/Del-TonEcho316MOEOD_zps14726109.jpg)
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll176/nordog59/Del-TonEcho316MOEODa_zps94c724e5.jpg)
Sweet!! [thumbsup] [bacon]
Quote from: NorDog on February 17, 2013, 04:33:41 PM
Shifting gears a bit.
Here's a shot of my Del-Ton Echo 316 M.O.E.
It came with a lot of Magpul stuff but I added a bit more such as the sling attachements, the rear sight, and the little lever thingie that allows you to lock/release the bolt with the right index finger (works great btw).
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll176/nordog59/Del-TonEcho316MOEOD_zps14726109.jpg)
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll176/nordog59/Del-TonEcho316MOEODa_zps94c724e5.jpg)
You need to get a longer Troy rail on that gun and the bolt release thingie, you'll make that call a few hundred rounds in. ;)
http://troyind.com/rail-systemsaccessories/rails/ar15m16-rails (http://troyind.com/rail-systemsaccessories/rails/ar15m16-rails)
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/00_main/IMG_20130221_175453_zps8ed8f490.jpg)
Last of the $40 AR receivers from my last group buy.
This one will be a 5.45 dissipator type.
new family member
(http://i433.photobucket.com/albums/qq53/montey2005/F5FF261E-7E13-44F3-8205-9BE15DFCC110-3430-000001D972658BDC_zps96cbb1d9.jpg)
Quote from: muskrat on April 10, 2013, 05:02:07 PM
new family member
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91/30?
Nice
I bought an M38 a couple of months ago.
yes Sir. I got it for a dance with training ammo and 4 boxes of go-fast bullets. [evil]
Quote from: muskrat on April 10, 2013, 05:25:42 PM
yes Sir. I got it for a dance with training ammo and 4 boxes of go-fast bullets. [evil]
Is it counter bored?
Not that that's a bad thing.
I put a recoil pad on mine. Haven't had it out with it on there yet.
It is not. I plan on buying a pad for it, the 45-70 kicks enough so I couldn't bear shooting them both on the same day without.
Quote from: muskrat on April 10, 2013, 06:03:00 PM
It is not. I plan on buying a pad for it, the 45-70 kicks enough so I couldn't bear shooting them both on the same day without.
How's the crown? I got 24 rounds through the M38 before deciding 100 pound Russian women are more man than me. ;D
still hiding it from the wife so I can't pull it from the safe just yet.....need to figure out what to buy her to lessen the shock. :-\ she's not happy I'm stopping everywhere looking for ammo (good thing she has no idea what caliber this toy is).
I did inspect it and went with the owner shooting, it's shooting within a 2 inch group at 100 yards with iron sights.
Quote from: muskrat on April 10, 2013, 07:15:39 PM
still hiding it from the wife so I can't pull it from the safe just yet.....need to figure out what to buy her to lessen the shock. :-\ she's not happy I'm stopping everywhere looking for ammo (good thing she has no idea what caliber this toy is).
I did inspect it and went with the owner shooting, it's shooting within a 2 inch group at 100 yards with iron sights.
That's better than my m38 that has been crowned.
It's a refurb, and I thing they used the wrong front sight.
It isn't on paper @100
Classic Firearms has some with goodies for CHEAP. Hell for these prices you can try again.
A lot of the arsenal refurbed mosins showed up with canted front sights. Adjusting the sight fixes most. In some cases the while assembly has to be relocated.
They took barrels off and most did not go back on the same receiver. Hence the front sight being out of alignment.
In support of Magpul making a move I went out and got some new furniture! It's a full comfort upgrade for the S&W M&P 15-22.
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As posted in Gun Stuff, but with pics:
Just picked up some stuff I saw on the shelf! First I found a Keltec PMR-30(2nd Gen). Then I found a keltec Sub 2000 in 9mm Glock! As if these are not "Mythical" guns right now, I also found a Just right Carbine in 45ACP! I have been trying to get one since the election. All three came home with me. I still have no idea how I found a PMR-30 on the shelf in MD.
PMR-30 is a 30rd .22MAG semi-auto
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Just Right Carbine or JRC in .45ACP
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and the KelTec Sub-2000 in 9mm (glock)
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I mentioned in the Gun Stuff thread that I got my open gun back from my gunsmith with the Chameleon PVD finish. Hopefully this works....I haven't had the greatest luck posting pictures. I also had him add (2) 1/8" ports in the barrel. They made a HUGE difference in the way the gun tracks. The dot never leaves the lens of the c-more [thumbsup] The finish on the barrel, comp, and small parts is TiAlN.
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Very cool 2011! [drool]
Got my first 45! :D
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Got the GFA on the G17.
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