Thought I'd try a new thread so folks (like me [bang]) can have a place to post gun stuff without bogging down the gun pics thread. It's open to anything gun related. Hunting, target shooting, self defense, competition, military, gunsmithing, neat new stuff, historical stuff, technical problems, shooting problems, ammo, hand loading, cool stories, personal experience, guns you own, guns you want, guns you had once and are now kicking yourself for getting rid of it [bang], etc... You get the drift. Pictures are certainly welcome but I don't want to divert pics from the "Show Off Your Guns" thread.
Here's a cool story from the July 2010 NRA American Rifleman magazine:
A British sniper has established a new world record for the most distant confirmed kill in combat. Corporal of Horse Craig Harrison of the Household Calvary dispatched two Taliban machine gunners from a distance of 2,707 yards with an Accuracy International AWM (military designated L115A3) in .338 Lapua Magnum in November 2009. Harrison made the one and a half mile shots in the Helmand Province in southwestern Afghanistan in defense of an Afghani-British foot patrol at an elevation of approximately 3,400 feet. With "no wind, mild weather and clear visibility", as he put it, the sniper took the shots that beat the previous record held by Canadian sniper Rob Furlong, who killed a Taliban fighter at 2,657 yards in the Shah-i-Kot Valley of eastern Afghanistan in 2004 with a McMillan Tac-50.
Don't bother running, you'll just die tired! [thumbsup]
as this thread gets off the ground, please remember, everyone, that gun politics talk will get it locked or removed. Have fun...
Quote from: fastwin on June 26, 2010, 11:24:07 AM
Here's a cool story from the July 2010 NRA American Rifleman magazine:
A British sniper has established a new world record for the most distant confirmed kill in combat. Corporal of Horse Craig Harrison of the Household Calvary dispatched two Taliban machine gunners from a distance of 2,707 yards with an Accuracy International AWM (military designated L115A3) in .338 Lapua Magnum in November 2009. Harrison made the one and a half mile shots in the Helmand Province in southwestern Afghanistan in defense of an Afghani-British foot patrol at an elevation of approximately 3,400 feet. With "no wind, mild weather and clear visibility", as he put it, the sniper took the shots that beat the previous record held by Canadian sniper Rob Furlong, who killed a Taliban fighter at 2,657 yards in the Shah-i-Kot Valley of eastern Afghanistan in 2004 with a McMillan Tac-50.
I just did some ballistics reading on the .338 Lapua a few days ago as a friend of mine used to shoot that round.
The effective range of the .338 Lapua is around 1900 yards.
Just did some additional reading and I guess the British military doctors up these rounds with low drag bullets and a shorter length (about 2mm), along with the same as the standard load in the amount of powder.
Rather amazing taking some length of the total shell and using a low-drag bullet can add that much range to the round!
That is one hell of a shot.
I want a 50 cal sniper rifle. Where do I sign up....
Quote from: Speedbag on June 26, 2010, 01:15:31 PM
I want a 50 cal sniper rifle. Where do I sign up....
I'll give you the number of a gunshop here in Columbus that has one for sale.
Bring your checkbook.
I know a guy (licensed dealer) that had one a while back.
The checkbook would take a massive beating.
Had the chance to shoot one but passed on the offer. Now I wish I had given it a try. Can't remember the rifle brand but it was a bolt action single shot I think, it was a long time ago. I'm friends with the guy that owns it and he f#@king "owned" that gun. That range only went out to 800 yards and I swear he could hit a baseball at that distance all day long! Former Marine sharp shooter years ago. Pretty impressive!! [thumbsup] Maybe that's why he runs his own shooting academy now!!
My gun club doesnt allow .50 BMGs to be fired on the property. The neighbors already complain enough.
The bolt action single is the one I really want....
Quote from: cyrus buelton on June 26, 2010, 01:10:55 PM
Just did some additional reading and I guess the British military doctors up these rounds with low drag bullets and a shorter length (about 2mm), along with the same as the standard load in the amount of powder.
Post up a link to this "low drag bullet."
Quote from: kopfjäger on June 26, 2010, 02:13:51 PM
Post up a link to this "low drag bullet."
Read up about physics and then think about it.
It would be a more aerodynamic round, thus having less air resistance creating a further "flying" distance and a more accurate round. I am surprised a guru like yourself has never heard of low drag or ultra low drag bullets. I guess it takes a mall cop like me to know that.
I often have to take long shots from the food court all the way down to Macy's.
or
Do you want the links of where I found the info about the British shooter?
A link about the bullets, if you have it.
Quote from: Speedbag on June 26, 2010, 01:15:31 PM
I want a 50 cal sniper rifle. Where do I sign up....
At your friendly neighborhood recruiter office. [thumbsup]
Quote from: cyrus buelton on June 26, 2010, 02:34:22 PM
I am surprised a guru like yourself has never heard of low drag or ultra low drag bullets. I guess it takes a mall cop like me to know that.
There's most likely a pretty significant difference between not knowing anything about a topic, and knowing a fair amount but still wanting to check the facts behind a source that someone quoted. Just saying...
Quote from: Speedbag on June 26, 2010, 02:07:31 PM
The bolt action single is the one I really want....
A friend of mine during college borrowed one of his buddies bolt action rifles.
I believe it was a 270 Win Mag or something like that. All I know is the make the beast with two backsing thing was accurate as hell, the rounds were huge, and they weren't exactly cheap to buy.
We used to go to the grounds of Camp Atterbury Joint Maneuver Training Center (CAJMTC), which is maybe 30mi south of Indianapolis on I-74. They had a really nice free, public range outfit. I guess it was considered a state park as there were two range masters at all times checking people in and of course managing the outfit. They had a nice covered pistol range and a really really nice, long rifle range. Then on another section was a "throw it yourself" trap space. So in all, a make the beast with two backsing great place.
We were out one day with this basically unknown accurate bolt action rifle that was cool and there was this dude with one of the of those big ass .50 GMG's. Holy make the beast with two backs was that thing really really loud. The man was very nice and always would let the range know before he was firing, so he didn't scare anyone so they were preferred for the beast to fire.
Wow is all I got.
My mall patrol team (PT) could really use one.
My apologies to the OP for having to do this, but if Cyrus doesn't knock off the mall ninja bullshit...
he will go away.
I did this in public Jud because you're acting like a baby...and babies that act up in public...get spanked...in public.
[coffee]
what's people's experiences/recommendations for close in AND distance optics on an AR style rifle? acog with rmr on top of it as combo (isn't rmr then rather high)? something with a small reddot over on a 45 degree mount partly under to side of main optic? (warne mount). aimpoint with magnifyer that moves out of way? None of those?
no easy way to try different things cheaply to see...some friends at range, but most using iron sites so....
If it's a flat top receiver, I would go with an Eotech. Very user friendly for CQB and you can use it out to 400.
I'm an Aimpoint guy myself. Eotechs are nice, but the two that I have had ate through batteries rather quickly and ultimately had battery terminal failures rendering them nice paperweights.
You're welcome to check out my kit when it all arrives Chris. I'll let you take the SR-15 out some time to see how you like the M68.
and if it were a .308 with a 20 inch barrel and the close in stuff was highly secondary? ;D
drkwng, that'd be great. thx. [thumbsup]
Quote from: Statler on June 26, 2010, 04:17:22 PM
and if it were a .308 with a 20 inch barrel and the close in stuff was highly secondary? ;D
Move to Virginia so you can own an SBR. [evil]
Quote from: cyrus buelton on June 26, 2010, 02:58:01 PM
All I know is the make the beast with two backsing thing was accurate as hell, the rounds were huge.....
Which is why I want a bolt 50.
Not to brag (or seem like a wanker), but I rarely need more than one shot. Now that I think of it, there's only two long guns in my entire arsenal that are semi-auto....
Quote from: Statler on June 26, 2010, 04:17:22 PM
and if it were a .308 with a 20 inch barrel and the close in stuff was highly secondary? ;D
My brother just had a neato Panther Arms AR built in .308 cal.....I like it a
lot.
Quote from: Speedbag on June 26, 2010, 06:35:32 PM
Not to brag (or seem like a wanker), but I rarely need more than one shot. Now that I think of it, there's only two long guns
Ever shoot in a 25mph Full Value wind at 900m?
Quote from: DRKWNG on June 26, 2010, 04:16:03 PM
I'm an Aimpoint guy myself. Eotechs are nice, but the two that I have had ate through batteries rather quickly and ultimately had battery terminal failures rendering them nice paperweights.
You're welcome to check out my kit when it all arrives Chris. I'll let you take the SR-15 out some time to see how you like the M68.
Me too. Me likey Aimpoint. But I do have Trij Reflex on flat tops and love them too. Gotta like the no battery thing about the Reflex. Still, the Aimpoints kick ass and I have never had a battery failure when it was important. Of course being a civie I don't have many "important" moments... thankfully! Eothechs are nice. Don't have any but have many friends that are stoked on them. No "paperweight" issues but I am sure anything will make the beast with two backs up given a chance to do so. [bang]
Quote from: DRKWNG on June 26, 2010, 04:16:03 PMEotechs are nice, but the two that I have had ate through batteries rather quickly and ultimately had battery terminal failures rendering them nice paperweights.
Never seen that, but if it happened in a gunfight you can use the glass as a large rear aperture and align and center the front sight post in it. Works well. Give it a try fly boy. :D
Quote from: fastwin on June 26, 2010, 07:03:48 PM
Me too. Me likey Aimpoint. But I do have Trij Reflex on flat tops and love them too. Gotta like the no battery thing about the Reflex. Still, the Aimpoints kick ass and I have never had a battery failure when it was important. Of course being a civie I don't have many "important" moments... thankfully! Eothechs are nice. Don't have any but have many friends that are stoked on them. No "paperweight" issues but I am sure anything will make the beast with two backs up given a chance to do so. [bang]
Next time your shooting with your Aimpoint, I want you to try something. Put your front dust cover on. If you shoot
with both eyes open (which you should). Works well out to about 100.
I'm sorry, it's early and the coffee hasn't kicked in. I do shoot with both eyes open. I'm not following the dust cover suggestion. Please explain for the slow among us. ;D Thanks! [thumbsup]
Quote from: kopfjäger on June 26, 2010, 06:38:13 PM
Ever shoot in a 25mph Full Value wind at 900m?
what does full value mean?
Quote from: kopfjäger on June 26, 2010, 07:06:18 PM
Never seen that, but if it happened in a gunfight you can use the glass as a large rear aperture and align and center the front sight post in it. Works well. Give it a try fly boy. :D
ASS! :D
Quote from: Monsterlover on June 27, 2010, 02:42:49 AM
what does full value mean?
Big and blustery, just the way Darryl likes his women. ;D
Quote from: Monsterlover on June 27, 2010, 02:42:49 AM
what does full value mean?
(http://www.cybersniper.com/wind1.gif)
Quote from: DRKWNG on June 27, 2010, 03:07:52 AM
Big and blustery, just the way Darryl likes his women. ;D
[roll]
[laugh]
I googled it.
:)
Non-C.I.P. conforming British military issue overpressure .338 Lapua Magnum cartridges with a 91.4 mm (3.6 in) overall length, loaded with 16.2 g (250 gr) LockBase B408 very-low-drag bullets were used in November 2009 by British sniper Corporal of Horse (CoH) Craig Harrison to establish a new record for the longest confirmed sniper kill in combat, at a range of 2,475 m (2,707 yd).[4][5][6][7][8][9]
link to wiki piece: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.338_Lapua_Magnum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.338_Lapua_Magnum)
Thanks for that follow up. [thumbsup]
Mmmm, big and blustery women. Someone dating my ex? [laugh]
didnt think this would be good in the other post, but this thing was fun, and i figured some other people would dig it too. we ran into a few of these during my first deployment to iraq, this was the only one we were able to get back to our base. we would blast around our little fob on this death trap, it always felt like it was going to tip over, but that just made it a little more fun. we were able to take the bike back home with us, but customs said we couldnt bring the pea shooter back, even if we left the bolt behind.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v661/willz2155/100_0421-1.jpg)
this is what it looks like now
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v661/willz2155/l_c78c2444f78e81ad080befae824ded32.jpg)
Quote from: DRKWNG on June 27, 2010, 03:07:52 AM
Big and blustery, just the way Darryl likes his women. ;D
Hey...what the...son of a... :D
Quote from: fastwin on June 27, 2010, 02:26:32 AM
I'm sorry, it's early and the coffee hasn't kicked in. I do shoot with both eyes open. I'm not following the dust cover suggestion. Please explain for the slow among us. ;D Thanks! [thumbsup]
A lot of times in very bright light, the red dot can tend to "wash out" if you don't have it turned all the way up. (which you shouldn't) Keeping the front dust cover on will give the red dot a black background. Give it a try, let me know what you think.
Quote from: Statler on June 26, 2010, 04:17:22 PM
and if it were a .308 with a 20 inch barrel and the close in stuff was highly secondary? ;D
drkwng, that'd be great. thx. [thumbsup]
Quote from: Statler on June 26, 2010, 04:01:52 PM
what's people's experiences/recommendations for close in AND distance optics on an AR style rifle? acog with rmr on top of it as combo (isn't rmr then rather high)? something with a small reddot over on a 45 degree mount partly under to side of main optic? (warne mount). aimpoint with magnifyer that moves out of way? None of those?
no easy way to try different things cheaply to see...some friends at range, but most using iron sites so....
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_om0JErZHvOU/Sf9KQ8ir5mI/AAAAAAAAFyw/C7rV6lznpOI/s800/Picture%20004.jpg)
Im feeling your dilemma Chris.
Ive got a cheap but powerful scope on the LAR-8 which will do for now.
The AR has the BUIS. The gun is missing "something".
Went to my local gun shop. I held an Eotech 512, then I held the bullet drop compensating Leupold AR scope, then I held the Eotech, then the Leupold.........then I bought a Sig 250.
I am leaning towards a paperwei.....I mean Eotech 512.
Hey Drk.......wanna get rid of a paperweight? My dad was a TV repairman......he's got an awesome set of tools.......I can fix it!
Quote from: kopfjäger on June 27, 2010, 08:23:35 AM
A lot of times in very bright light, the red dot can tend to "wash out" if you don't have it turned all the way up. (which you shouldn't) Keeping the front dust cover on will give the red dot a black background. Give it a try, let me know what you think.
I got it. Yes, the dot can wash out, even on my Reflex sights. I'll play with that trick next time I'm plinking with the Aimpoint. Thanks for the tip. [thumbsup]
I recently got one of the Leupold AR scopes in 3x9 w/mil-dot reticle. Have it on a 16" flat top in ARMS mounts. I am very happy with it. Nice scope and typical clear Leupold optics. Just happened to get it doped in the fastest I ever have with any optic. Just lucky and good clean living! [laugh] If someone is looking for a scope for any .223 I think they are damn nice. Comes in 3x9 and 4x12. One inch tube but it seems to work fine, wasn't looking for 30mm bulk anyway. Opticsplanet.com had them on sale when I got mine.
What height rings are you using with the AR scope?
BTW, youre not making my decision any easier! :-)
Quote from: rgramjet on June 27, 2010, 09:24:59 AM
[Hey Drk.......wanna get rid of a paperweight?
Yep.
PM Inbound
Sorry, I'm often accused of causing needless trouble. [laugh]
I just checked the AR with the Leupold. I have an ARMS #19 quick release/throw lever base and the rings are also quick release/throw lever. I have had this stuff forever. I tried to look on line at ARMS stuff to get the number for the rings. The rings seem to be #22s but I can't find that ARMS still makes these in one inch. Everything I saw were #22s in 30mm. Did ARMS stop making those rings in one inch? Anyone know?
Anyway, comparing my set with ARMS on line pics mine seem to be "high" rings. So I have high rings on top of the #19 base. Sounds real tall but it doesn't look that way to me when it's mounted up. I'm an average size guy, 5'9" and 175lbs and that set up fits me perfect with my typical AR check weld on a standard non-collapsible stock. Had I not looked into it I would have guessed that they were medium height, but they are for sure the high rings.
Good luck with your optics hunt. Are you looking for red dot sights or for scope magnification?
Brother picked up an M&P 15-22 last week for $150 bucks. [evil]
Thing apparently runs like a top. Can't wait to run some rimfire through it.
Took my 12.5hr CCW Class yesterday.
Wow, what a long boring day of classroom work. It was mostly about parts of the gun, how to load, unload, etc etc.
The most interesting was when the attorney came in to talk about the legality of the law. It just so happened it was the attorney that the Attorney General goes to for law interpretation, so it was VERY informative. No more on the law, back to the class.
It was kind of scary some of the people in there and the guns they purchased as a first one.
Most of the women had little .380 Keltec's with Pink Frames or the equivalent in Ruger (can't think of the model). I have a Keltec .32...........I wouldn't call that a beginners guns, but to each their own.
The next best part was the shooting portion. We did some cool defensive shooting drills surrounded by the "Simon Says" principle. I really enjoyed that and think when I go to the range next, I will practice more shooting like this verse straight target shooting. It makes it a bit different when someone is trying to confuse and trick you. Makes you really think before you pull the trigger.......which is always good.
Anyway, I now have my certificate and will be calling later today to schedule my appointment to get finger printed and apply for my license. Ohio is a "shall issue" state, so there is no reason I'll be denied [thumbsup]
Then to figure out how to get the out of state FL permit so it adds a few states that I frequent which OH permits don't work.
I believe the Utah permit covers 32/50 states.
Quote from: rgramjet on June 28, 2010, 06:06:19 AM
I believe the Utah permit covers 32/50 states.
Let's keep these comments offline.
Statler's second post said something to do with gun laws and I am sure this probably falls under it, so we best stay away or better yet, I better.
Yeah, UT is another out of state one you can get. I just need to research. In no hurry.
so...on a different note/subject...I am moving in with my GF and her 11yo munchkin daughter in a month-ish here....I currently store my arms in the cases without a problem, but now I need to get a locker or something for them....I have 4 pistols, 1 shotgun, and 4 rifles( and I am not sure where I am going to stick my carrying cases if I take them all out-at least out of the hard ones anyways)....I looked at the lockers at Dick's Sporting goods and am considering purchasing there, but want a little input from you guys as to what brands are sufficient and better or worse and what not...and I am kind of on a budget here because of moving expenses...
Factual stuff about shall issue versus may issue versus good cause to issue are fine. As is reciprocity fact stuff. Just don't debate them. :)
Pm is always safer on a borderline topic.
Quote from: Statler on June 28, 2010, 06:35:52 AM
Factual stuff about shall issue versus may issue versus good cause to issue are fine. As is reciprocity fact stuff. Just don't debate them. :)
Pm is always safer on a borderline topic.
Thanks for the clarification, Chris.
Hard to debate that issue.....but attorney's can debate anything ;D
Quote from: Statler on June 28, 2010, 06:35:52 AM
Factual stuff about shall issue versus may issue versus good cause to issue are fine. As is reciprocity fact stuff. Just don't debate them. :)
Pm is always safer on a borderline topic.
Glad I saw this before I posted this link. No politics with this just Supreme Court law regarding gun owner rights. Hope this is OK by DMF rules. Just let me know if it isn't, I don't think so but the Admins are the boss on this stuff:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100628/ap_on_go_su_co/us_supreme_court_guns (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100628/ap_on_go_su_co/us_supreme_court_guns)
Quote from: zooom on June 28, 2010, 06:30:09 AM
so...on a different note/subject...I am moving in with my GF and her 11yo munchkin daughter in a month-ish here....I currently store my arms in the cases without a problem, but now I need to get a locker or something for them....I have 4 pistols, 1 shotgun, and 4 rifles( and I am not sure where I am going to stick my carrying cases if I take them all out-at least out of the hard ones anyways)....I looked at the lockers at Dick's Sporting goods and am considering purchasing there, but want a little input from you guys as to what brands are sufficient and better or worse and what not...and I am kind of on a budget here because of moving expenses...
I have big Browning gun safes. Too much and too expensive for your needs. What's the locker like at DSG? Is it a small normal stand up type gun safe. I know they sell those here in town at Academy Sporting Goods store. How big and heavy is it? What's your budget? House or apartment? I keep some gun related items stashed away in my house attic. Normal burglars don't waste time going through your attic. High speed low drag is what they are all about. Snatch and go.
Maybe I'll post up my half-assed defensive training target tonight, but then again, it makes me a target. I did hit 30 of the 35 market areas, and my five "flyiers" were still on the paper, just not exactly where they were supposed to go.
I'll explain the drill. I found it very useful and will probably incorporate this in to my training.
Quote from: fastwin on June 28, 2010, 09:32:40 AM
I have big Browning gun safes. Too much and too expensive for your needs. What's the locker like at DSG? Is it a small normal stand up type gun safe. I know they sell those here in town at Academy Sporting Goods store. How big and heavy is it? What's your budget? House or apartment? I keep some gun related items stashed away in my house attic. Normal burglars don't waste time going through your attic. High speed low drag is what they are all about. Snatch and go.
it was a 5foot tall by 2 foot by 2 foot with a circular style key...it was a Stack-On brand advertised as a 10 Gun Steel cabinet....seems not quite like I might need...but then again...I think the cabinet was labelled wrong and not sure what it was since they had no keys to any of them...I was hoping to be around $200 range....I know if I needed to, I could certainly build one with Plywood and make it pretty darned sturdy and keep the munchkin from having access...but I don't have the time right now...
Quote from: cyrus buelton on June 28, 2010, 09:46:02 AM
I'll explain the drill. I found it very useful and will probably incorporate this in to my training.
Please do. I am interested in hearing about this. [thumbsup]
I like anything that breaks the monotony of target shooting.
Well, short of targets that shoot back, that is.
Quote from: zooom on June 28, 2010, 10:56:37 AM
it was a 5foot tall by 2 foot by 2 foot with a circular style key...it was a Stack-On brand advertised as a 10 Gun Steel cabinet....seems not quite like I might need...but then again...I think the cabinet was labelled wrong and not sure what it was since they had no keys to any of them...I was hoping to be around $200 range....I know if I needed to, I could certainly build one with Plywood and make it pretty darned sturdy and keep the munchkin from having access...but I don't have the time right now...
Ive got one of those......it was my first gun cabinet. I bolted it to the framing in the back of my closet. Ill trade you 3 cases of Pilsner Urquell for it!
I live semi near Dietles.....you can pick it up tomorrow!
Quote from: rgramjet on June 28, 2010, 11:16:35 AM
Ive got one of those......it was my first gun cabinet. I bolted it to the framing in the back of my closet. Ill trade you 3 cases of Pilsner Urquell for it!
I live semi near Dietles.....you can pick it up tomorrow!
yeah...bring it to Dietles (or you can PM your addy and I'll swing by after work tommorrow) and lemmee look at it(if you don't mind)...I was looking online at this one...
http://stack-on.com/securityplus/gun_cabinets_and_pistol_boxes/gc-18c.html (http://stack-on.com/securityplus/gun_cabinets_and_pistol_boxes/gc-18c.html)
http://www.dickssportinggoods.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3748769&cp=2367438.2367824.2292572.2292624 (http://www.dickssportinggoods.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3748769&cp=2367438.2367824.2292572.2292624)
but once again...sometimes touching the product means more than specs on the screen...
http://stack-on.com/securityplus/gun_cabinets_and_pistol_boxes/gc-908-5.html (http://stack-on.com/securityplus/gun_cabinets_and_pistol_boxes/gc-908-5.html)
This is the one I have.
I'm watching the show "Obsessed" on A&E. Could having a gun in every single room of a house in a relatively safe area of town be considered obsessive behavior?
Quote from: duccarlos on June 28, 2010, 11:38:40 AM
I'm watching the show "Obsessed" on A&E. Could having a gun in every single room of a house in a relatively safe area of town be considered obsessive behavior?
yes
Quote from: duccarlos on June 28, 2010, 11:38:40 AM
I'm watching the show "Obsessed" on A&E. Could having a gun in every single room of a house in a relatively safe area of town be considered obsessive behavior?
No, makes sense to me. [laugh]
Quote from: duccarlos on June 28, 2010, 11:38:40 AM
I'm watching the show "Obsessed" on A&E. Could having a gun in every single room of a house in a relatively safe area of town be considered obsessive behavior?
I would say paranoia
and I clearly have that.
Paranoia is easily confused with being obsessed.
being paranoid in no way negates the possibility that people are out to get you.
Joseph Heller, the author of Catch 22, had a great quote along those lines: "Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you."
I suppose I am obsessed with buying firearms, but then again, who isn't?
I don't have any kids in my house, so I don't have to worry about protective safes, etc.
I suppose my paranoia is that I do have firearms scattered around my house just in case.
Now with my crazy sister in law in town.......heightened level of sense of security is a priority as we have had drug users to our house. And if you've ever been around them.......they can do crazy shit.
enough of my paranoia.
back to guns.
Quote from: fastwin on June 28, 2010, 07:40:53 AM
Glad I saw this before I posted this link. No politics with this just Supreme Court law regarding gun owner rights. Hope this is OK by DMF rules. Just let me know if it isn't, I don't think so but the Admins are the boss on this stuff:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100628/ap_on_go_su_co/us_supreme_court_guns (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100628/ap_on_go_su_co/us_supreme_court_guns)
Posting a link about the law is fine. Stating the law is fine.
If discussion is necessary we ask it to be off line.
Your opinion of said law is not welcome here. ;)
Quote from: fastwin on June 28, 2010, 01:11:13 PM
Joseph Heller, the authur of Catch 22, had a great quote along those lines: "Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you."
Awesome book. My quote was off and I couldn't remember where I'd read it!
I have a Crimson Trace laser on my Glock 27. I wonder what the professional gun guys (military/police) think of these lasers.
Anybody?
Quote from: hihhs on June 28, 2010, 01:42:12 PM
Awesome book. My quote was off and I couldn't remember where I'd read it!
It was close enough to make me remember his. [thumbsup] You're right, great book! I should take the time to read it again. Made a pretty damn good movie too.
Never used a Crimson Trace. Hey, if it works and helps you shoot better so much the better! Sometimes I think the more shit you add to a gun can be a problem just waiting to happen, but that isn't anywhere near being too much. That's just my opinion. And no I am not a professional. I'd be curious to see what others think.
Quote from: hihhs on June 28, 2010, 01:47:06 PM
I have a Crimson Trace laser on my Glock 27. I wonder what the professional gun guys (military/police) think of these lasers.
Anybody?
We don't use them. I have never shot with one. If I am chasing the laser around, I'm not using my sights. Are they a bad thing? I say yes, but if you like it and it works for you, have at it. ;)
I've got ghost ring sights on there also. I tend to use the laser to screw around and hard sights to shoot. Got the Crimson Trace about 15 years ago. Probably wouldn't bother now. It was useful in showing my wife how to use the gun.
I did discover that shining the laser on my wife's engagement ring (with the slide, barrell, and clip removed!) makes a hell of a light show.
I'm going to start shooting with my neighbor (former SEAL, former cop), I was just wondering how much crap he is going to give me about the laser. I had cop friends in Miami that thought it was "cute". :-\
Quote from: hihhs on June 28, 2010, 05:01:49 PM
I had cop friends in Miami that thought it was "cute". :-\
[laugh] [laugh]
I'm with Kopf on this one. Lasers (at least ones that are visible with the naked eye) aren't that terribly useful unless you're not willing to learn how to shoot properly.
Quote from: DRKWNG on June 28, 2010, 05:08:11 PM
[laugh] [laugh]
I'm with Kopf on this one. Lasers (at least ones that are visible with the naked eye) aren't that terribly useful unless you're not willing to learn how to shoot properly.
Yeah that was great. $400 bucks later and the pros laughed at it mercilessly. Hell, I'd take it off but I've no idea how.
So how do the pros feel about ghost rings? (cringe)
Quote from: hihhs on June 28, 2010, 05:01:49 PM
I'm going to start shooting with my neighbor (former SEAL, former cop),
Run...run like the wind. SQUEAL [roll]
Quote from: kopfjäger on June 28, 2010, 05:42:51 PM
Run...run like the wind. SQUEAL [roll]
He has an underground gun range on his property and invited me to shoot with him "anytime". I am a good with a pistol. A long time ago I thought I was very good. Then I shot with guys who were
very good. I learned I am
only good.
Quote from: hihhs on June 28, 2010, 05:55:53 PM
Then I shot with guys who were very good.
Could be good guys to learn from.
Quote from: DRKWNG on June 28, 2010, 05:58:31 PM
Could be good guys to learn from.
I learned a TON. I definitely improved simply by watching and listening to those guys.
I shoot purely for recreation (and missed it while in HI!). But anytime I can get info/tips form pros I'll take it.
Quote from: DRKWNG on June 28, 2010, 05:58:31 PM
Could be good guys to learn from.
For sure! Like riding with really good riders... same same. [thumbsup] [moto]
My brother who shot with his cousin-in-law (is that a word?) who is a Seal XX Team Sniper.
They did handgun training and some rifle.
He said his technique, stance, and overall shooting greatly improved with his 3 hours with this guy.
If you want to see some dudes that can shoot. Go to a 3 gun match. :)
US Army Shooting Team At Rocky Mountain 3-Gun 2007 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v350R55osNg#normal)
^^^^^^^^^^
Man! That looks like fun!
If you go shoot a match maybe Dave will be there. [evil]
Dave Sevigny 2009 USPSA Area 1 & 5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ni5QrKXonhc#normal)
Quote from: kopfjäger on June 28, 2010, 06:43:49 PM
If you go shoot a match maybe Dave will be there. [evil]
Dave Sevigny 2009 USPSA Area 1 & 5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ni5QrKXonhc#normal)
Why would I want to look even more inept than I already am? ;D
Quote from: ducpainter on June 28, 2010, 06:52:40 PM
Why would I want to look even more inept than I already am? ;D
[laugh] [drink]
One thing I want you guy's to notice. In the still shot of the vid I posted of Dave he is doing an emergency/combat reload. Even as incredibly fast as he is, notice his gun is canted over in the shooters box, and he is looking down at the mag well. Textbook. ;)
I have a question...
Not to demean Mr. Sevigny's talent...but...
how does he do if someone is shooting back?
Just a question mind you.
Quote from: ducpainter on June 28, 2010, 07:01:06 PM
I have a question...
Not to demean Mr. Sevigny's talent...but...
how does he do if someone is shooting back?
Just a question mind you.
Couldn't answer that as Dave has never been on a 2 way range, but given his talent I don't want to play that game with him. Tactical shooting is tactical shooting, these skills carry over to the battlefield. What one will do when their world comes crashing down around them can only be tested one way. ;)
I love three gun matches. OK, I haven't done one in a while but they are really cool. I refuse to say I competed in them, would rather say I "participated in them". In no way was I ever up for a trophy or prize or anything! Just good stuff and fun!
Quote from: fastwin on June 28, 2010, 07:22:06 PM
I love three gun matches. OK, I haven't done one in a while but they are really cool. I refuse to say I competed in them, would rather say I "participated in them". In no way was I ever up for a trophy or prize or anything! Just good stuff and fun!
That is what it's all about. Train hard, test your skills, get you ass handed to you, and train harder. ;)
If you don't want to play that game with him then I guess my question is answered.
What's more true than that? Train harder is the rule! [thumbsup] Expect shit to go wrong and base your training on that. No expert advice here, just dumb luck. Always train on what you are bad at. If you are bad at tactical mag reloading then practice that! And practice whatever makes you a more proficient shooter!
That's a mag in the gun before the other mag drops past his belt. [evil]
Travis Tomasie - The Perfect Reload (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hgdq1FBYTUE#normal)
Dave Sevigny F.A.S.T. Drill Record, 3.56 seconds (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU3jceN4JAc#normal)
Quote from: hihhs on June 28, 2010, 01:47:06 PM
I have a Crimson Trace laser on my Glock 27. I wonder what the professional gun guys (military/police) think of these lasers.
Anybody?
Lasers are more intimidation then anything. They are great on the taser as a suspect knows the wires are shortly to follow. Seems to make them take the funny looking taser a bit more seriously.
I carry a TLR2 (weaponlight with laser) on my duty weapon now simply because I got it super cheap. I have a Surefire X300 on my desk right now to replace it. The X400 has a laser but I opted not to get it because after carrying the TLR2 for a couple years I see no need for the laser.
So...no laser.
Quote from: kopfjäger on June 28, 2010, 07:56:31 PM
That's a mag in the gun before the other mag drops past his belt. [evil]
Travis Tomasie - The Perfect Reload (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hgdq1FBYTUE#normal)
DAMN that guy's quick! The gear helps. [thumbsup]
Quote from: DRKWNG on June 29, 2010, 03:59:03 AM
DAMN that guy's quick! The gear helps. [thumbsup]
+1
Id like to see how fast he reloads with a stock Glock or Sig. No mag funnel!
Sevigny can definitely shoot.
Next time he is in town doing a clinic / appearance at the big gun club, going to try to have my wife set up a private shooting lesson with him given the past relationship she had with his brother. She always said Dave was really cool.
He got into guns pretty much like all of us. He just liked shooting, shot a ton of rounds, and got good.
I am sure there was some instruction thrown in there somewhere.
My brother also "participated" in some 3 guns events. I highly respect anyone that can simply switch from different firearms in a split second. With my very limited experience with handguns/shotguns/AR's/bolt action I find it difficult just concentrating on just being accurate with one.
I did one of those Glock Shooting competitions when I was in college.
I am sure we've all heard of them. Glock Sport Shooting foundation maybe?
You pay your xx.xx and you shoot for two days and get scored.
I am pretty damn sure I finished dead last.
Doesn't matter. Did you have fun? Did you learn anything? There you go, that's what matters. [thumbsup] It's funny to see what a crowd watching you shoot and a PACT timer can do to your shooting ability. It adds that extra little bit of stress you can never get at the range. And that's a good thing as far as training goes. [thumbsup] Again, who cares if you finished beyond last place. In some shoots I felt like I should have timed with a calender (... like my riding! [laugh]) but I always had fun and enjoyed the like minded company and always appreciated the tips and advice. All good stuff.
Quote from: rgramjet on June 29, 2010, 04:12:44 AM
Id like to see how fast he reloads with a stock Glock or Sig. No mag funnel!
Fast guy's are just that. The kit he is using certainly helps, but with a stock gun he would
be faster than us on any given day. ;)
For example, here is Dave running basically a stock Glock (sights and trigger work) no large mag well. Wearing a cover garment. Like I said fast guys are just fast.
IDPA Drills (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkKc2w2sPxs#normal)
Sweet!! Funny... my model 34 doesn't shoot that fast. His must be special or something. [laugh]
When your good and fast you are usually good and fast with anything, big mag well or not. I love seeing guys shoot like that in person. Just awesome! Sort of like being at a race vs watching it on Speed.
Great videos! Thanks for posting them. I love to hear the sound of steel plates but I couldn't ring one that fast even if I was hitting it with a hammer! [laugh] I have a variety of Arntzen steel plates and collapsible stands. I love to bang those up. Cardboard IPSCs are OK but steel plates and Pepper poppers are a blast. [thumbsup]
Here is Randi and Jessie competing with Dave. Team Glock.
TEAM GLOCK Sevigny, Abbate and Rogers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKDvov35s3w#normal)
Very cool!! Damn, his double taps are so fast and smooth! That's some awesome trigger control. The girls weren't exactly dragging their ass either! [thumbsup] Good stuff.
^^ Yeah Jessie can shoot. ;)
Jessie Abbate talks about winning Steel Challenge (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTjmuaQlqRc#normal)
Next time I rob a stage coach I want her with me.
I think I further know why my wife can shoot so well.............
..........and why she always destroys me at the range.
and I shoot more than her.
and she only shoots a Glock 21
is it because she knows the secret to dave's powers?
Quote from: Monsterlover on June 29, 2010, 01:22:28 PM
is it because she knows the secret to dave's powers?
It's her ex brother-in-law.............
Quote from: Monsterlover on June 29, 2010, 01:22:28 PM
is it because she knows the secret to dave's powers?
[laugh] [drink]
Quote from: kopfjäger on June 29, 2010, 01:24:18 PM
[laugh] [drink]
hey now......leave my wife's past out of this [moto]
WOW! Look what Magpul might be getting into!!! [thumbsup] [moto]
http://www.cycleworld.com/article.asp?section_id=41&article_id=2191 (http://www.cycleworld.com/article.asp?section_id=41&article_id=2191)
Quote from: fastwin on June 30, 2010, 08:32:44 AM
WOW! Look what Magpul might be getting into!!! [thumbsup] [moto]
http://www.cycleworld.com/article.asp?section_id=41&article_id=2191 (http://www.cycleworld.com/article.asp?section_id=41&article_id=2191)
and next they'll offer a shotgun rack that attaches to that girder front end!!...LOL
Quote from: fastwin on June 30, 2010, 08:32:44 AM
WOW! Look what Magpul might be getting into!!! [thumbsup] [moto]
http://www.cycleworld.com/article.asp?section_id=41&article_id=2191 (http://www.cycleworld.com/article.asp?section_id=41&article_id=2191)
I'm not going to call Derby, but it's a Derby. ;DI take that back. Looks like the guy that posted it before only posted it up in Desmotropic. I thought it was in NMC.
That might possibly be the ugliest piece of shit I have ever seen.
I also lost respect for Magpul as they have "always been fans of buell"
seriously?
they should stick to what they do best...........make gun accessories.
Quote from: kopfjäger on June 29, 2010, 12:50:56 PM
^^ Yeah Jessie can shoot. ;)
Jessie Abbate talks about winning Steel Challenge (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTjmuaQlqRc#normal)
I think I'm in love.
Jessie talking about her shotgun reload technique. ;)
Jessie Abbate aka Jasmine Jessie's shotgun loading technique (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbCjcEO9z1A#normal)
Quote from: Speedbag on June 30, 2010, 12:14:41 PM
I think I'm in love.
Me too! Can she ride a motorcycle?
Neat shotgun reload technique. [thumbsup]
Quote from: fastwin on June 30, 2010, 01:01:07 PM
Me too! Can she ride a motorcycle?
<snip>
Who cares? ;)
Quote from: kopfjäger on June 28, 2010, 07:56:31 PM
That's a mag in the gun before the other mag drops past his belt. [evil]
Travis Tomasie - The Perfect Reload (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hgdq1FBYTUE#normal)
Holy crap. I've gotta practice more mag drops.....
Quote from: kopfjäger on June 28, 2010, 06:11:21 PM
If you want to see some dudes that can shoot. Go to a 3 gun match. :)
US Army Shooting Team At Rocky Mountain 3-Gun 2007 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v350R55osNg#normal)
I need to find some 3-gun around here. Those whirlygig targets are tough!
Quote from: angler on June 30, 2010, 06:49:33 PM
Holy crap. I've gotta practice more mag drops.....
Mag changes. [evil] Almost anyone can drop them. ;)
Never ever.. ever.. ever take training from a douchebag like this. He is clueless. Reminds me of someone.
Pistol Drills-Basic Tactical Shooting (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM0oEiisTTs#normal)
Quote from: kopfjäger on June 30, 2010, 11:23:32 PM
Never ever.. ever.. ever take training from a douchebag like this. He is clueless. Reminds me of someone.
Pistol Drills-Basic Tactical Shooting (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM0oEiisTTs#normal)
HEY!! I resent that comment.
ASS!
:P
Please explain why he is clueless?
Quote from: angler on June 30, 2010, 06:59:42 PM
I need to find some 3-gun around here. Those whirlygig targets are tough!
Gilbert Guns in Rockville was doing, and may still be doing, some IPDA stuff....but I'll never shoot there if I can help it...
Quote from: kopfjäger on June 30, 2010, 11:07:57 PM
Mag changes. [evil] Almost anyone can drop them. ;)
Yes, but you first have to drop one before you can put another in there. Baby steps. I try to keep my goals realistic.......... ;D
Quote from: zooom on July 01, 2010, 03:08:12 AM
Gilbert Guns in Rockville was doing, and may still be doing, some IPDA stuff....but I'll never shoot there if I can help it...
I don't shoot indoors. I'm a member up at AGC and, besides a bowling pin shoot, they don't offer much. That is supposed to change. They want to do some practical tactical stuff and maybe some other competitions. Currently they don't allow drawing from holsters, except at the bowling pin shoots, but nobody does around here. There is an outfit up in PA that runs 3 gun comps 4 or 5 times a year.
I also plan to take a week long tactical carbine course at Gunsite in AZ. They have a great class and facility. I think me and my bro-in-law that lives in AZ will sign up for one perhaps this fall.
Both my brother's are in town this weekend and we are going to go shoot some Trap/Skeet whatever you want to call it.
Converting my 870 Express back to a normal looking shotgun and I have my Benelli Supernova as well.
I also confirmed with the gun club that we can use the Saiga
[laugh] [laugh]
If anyone misses with that thing........they have problems.
I went to Wally World and priced out ammo. 23$ for 100rnds. Not bad.
the question:
Do you use 7 1/2 or 8 shot for clay pigeons?
Probably 8?
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 01, 2010, 05:48:07 AM
Both my brother's are in town this weekend and we are going to go shoot some Trap/Skeet whatever you want to call it.
Converting my 870 Express back to a normal looking shotgun and I have my Benelli Supernova as well.
I also confirmed with the gun club that we can use the Saiga
[laugh] [laugh]
If anyone misses with that thing........they have problems.
I went to Wally World and priced out ammo. 23$ for 100rnds. Not bad.
the question:
Do you use 7 1/2 or 8 shot for clay pigeons?
Probably 8?
Doesn't really matter on size IMHO. My range limits you to trap loads under 1200 FPS due to proximity to a roadway. That is pretty common. Might want to check with the range before you go buy a ton of fast wing shooting loads.
Angler,
Good for you on Gunsite! You'll have a blast and yes they do have a nice facility. I was going to go once when Col. Cooper was still alive but my business schedule messed up the whole deal. I did get to meet him years ago at a SHOT show. It was an honor.
I've had lots of friends over the years take Gunsite classes and loved it. Closest I've gotten to Gunsite since is classes with Clint Smith and Louis Awerbuck, both came from Gunsite. Enjoy the class, bet you learn a lot!
cb,
71/2 or 8 will work just fine on clays. Big difference between trap and skeet. I'm mediocre at both but both are fun. Sporting clays is the biggest hoot and yeah, I'm mediocre at that too! [laugh]
Quote from: angler on July 01, 2010, 06:07:24 AM
Doesn't really matter on size IMHO. My range limits you to trap loads under 1200 FPS due to proximity to a roadway. That is pretty common. Might want to check with the range before you go buy a ton of fast wing shooting loads.
I already checked on that [thumbsup]
This place is in the sticks and has nothing behind it but woods.
Wouldn't 8 shot be better as I get more pellets in there verse 7 1/2? I really have no idea about shotgun ammo outside of Slugs and 00 Buck.
Quote from: fastwin on July 01, 2010, 06:09:20 AM
Angler,
Good for you on Gunsite! You'll have a blast and yes they do have a nice facility. I was going to go once when Col. Cooper was still alive but my business schedule messed up the whole deal. I did get to meet him years ago at a SHOT show. It was an honor.
I've had lots of friends over the years take Gunsite classes and loved it. Closest I've gotten to Gunsite since is classes with Clint Smith and Louis Awerbuck, both came from Gunsite. Enjoy the class, bet you learn a lot!
cb,
71/2 or 8 will work just fine on clays. Big difference between trap and skeet. I'm mediocre at both but both are fun. Sporting clays is the biggest hoot and yeah, I'm mediocre at that too! [laugh]
I'm excited. I'd like to take their pistol course as well, but at $1500 for the class plus 1200 rounds rifle and 100 rounds pistol required, plus plane tickets (plus other gear like mags and pouches), I can only do this every so often. We haven't formalized plans yet, but all my family is in AZ and I get there a few times a year. It would be a good excuse to hang with my Prescott peeps and lay a lot of lead down range. My bro-in-law took a Front Sight week long tactical pistol class last year. They are in NV and give you a free XD45 with the course. He wants to try Gunsite this time. I'd also love to go to Thunder Ranch sometime, but AZ is a cheaper trip.
We are just doing the one where you yell pull and one pigeon goes flying.
I have done the "game" where you have 100 shots at different stations. The rolling pigeons, straight up in the air, etc etc. I think that is called Trap? or is that Sporting Clays?
I think I scored like 56 out of 100
I was pleased with that considering I rarely shoot.
Probably also helped I got to use a friends Semi-Auto Beretta 12gauge. That was a nice firearm.
Quote from: angler on July 01, 2010, 06:22:30 AM
I'm excited. I'd like to take their pistol course as well, but at $1500 for the class plus 1200 rounds rifle and 100 rounds pistol required, plus plane tickets (plus other gear like mags and pouches), I can only do this every so often. We haven't formalized plans yet, but all my family is in AZ and I get there a few times a year. It would be a good excuse to hang with my Prescott peeps and lay a lot of lead down range. My bro-in-law took a Front Sight week long tactical pistol class last year. They are in NV and give you a free XD45 with the course. He wants to try Gunsite this time. I'd also love to go to Thunder Ranch sometime, but AZ is a cheaper trip.
Yeah, doing those out of state classes can be a money pit. The logistics of getting all your kit, ammo and guns there can be tough/expensive. Luckily I live in TX and it was just a nice hill country drive to Thunder Ranch when it was based out of Mountain Home, TX near Kerrville. I wore that place out... and it wore me out too! [laugh] Never been to it's new home in Oregon. And Awerbuck has a traveling show so I always hit his classes here in town. Tac Pro Shooting Center (Bill Davison) is just west of where I live so I am lucky that I have had many opportunities to take courses so nearby.
Again, enjoy your time at Gunsite!!
Quote from: angler on July 01, 2010, 04:47:44 AM
I also plan to take a week long tactical carbine course at Gunsite in AZ. They have a great class and facility. I think me and my bro-in-law that lives in AZ will sign up for one perhaps this fall.
Right up the road from us! Do come calling when you're in the neighborhood.
Quote from: triangleforge on July 01, 2010, 07:14:06 AM
Right up the road from us! Do come calling when you're in the neighborhood.
Of course! Did I forget to mention that I'd invited us to stay at your place and we accepted? (just kidding!)
I talked to them and they have a course running Feb 22-26. I've got to be in Phoenix for work the 17 and 18th, so maybe I'll just stick around for some training......I wonder if this counts as "professional development" so I can write it off? [evil]
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 01, 2010, 06:40:24 AM
We are just doing the one where you yell pull and one pigeon goes flying.
I have done the "game" where you have 100 shots at different stations. The rolling pigeons, straight up in the air, etc etc. I think that is called Trap? or is that Sporting Clays?
I think I scored like 56 out of 100
You are talking Sporting Clays.
Trap clay pigeons come from a centrally located "house". There are 5 stations in a semi-circle with handicap positions radiating outward from each station. 5 shots per rotation, 25 shots total per round.
Quote from: rgramjet on July 01, 2010, 08:22:43 AM
You are talking Sporting Clays.
Trap clay pigeons come from a centrally located "house". There are 5 stations in a semi-circle with handicap positions radiating outward from each station. 5 shots per rotation, 25 shots total per round.
OK, we are doing your second paragraph. I know the rounds are 25 and I have watched people move from one concrete pad to another. And yes, the pigeons come out of one "house" as you called it.
Random question:
I am about to get my CCW (my app is being processed now) and Ohio Law on it is pretty odd. If a store puts up a sign that says no firearms allowed, you can't carry in there.
My question is...........since it is the summer, cars get hot, I won't leave a gun in plainsight, so it would be locked in my glovebox. Also when I go to work, it would be locked in my glovebox as well, so it would be hot in my car.
Is there an issue with heat and the ammunition? Last thing I want is my ammo exploding in my glovebox.
I would imagine there probably is.....?
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 01, 2010, 09:29:20 AM
OK, we are doing your second paragraph. I know the rounds are 25 and I have watched people move from one concrete pad to another. And yes, the pigeons come out of one "house" as you called it.
Random question:
I am about to get my CCW (my app is being processed now) and Ohio Law on it is pretty odd. If a store puts up a sign that says no firearms allowed, you can't carry in there.
My question is...........since it is the summer, cars get hot, I won't leave a gun in plainsight, so it would be locked in my glovebox. Also when I go to work, it would be locked in my glovebox as well, so it would be hot in my car.
Is there an issue with heat and the ammunition? Last thing I want is my ammo exploding in my glovebox.
I would imagine there probably is.....?
Here, let me google that for you http://tinyurl.com/35yek8p (http://tinyurl.com/35yek8p)
Short answer. No. I've heard of rounds cooking off in hot barrels, but that is at much higher temps.
I'd be more concerned about secure in car storage. Leaving my guns in the car always concerns me. They make secure boxes that bolt into consoles or under seats.
Quote from: angler on July 01, 2010, 10:21:45 AM
Here, let me google that for you http://tinyurl.com/35yek8p (http://tinyurl.com/35yek8p)
Short answer. No. I've heard of rounds cooking off in hot barrels, but that is at much higher temps.
I'd be more concerned about secure in car storage. Leaving my guns in the car always concerns me. They make secure boxes that bolt into consoles or under seats.
You do such good work! ;D
Id share the same security concerns......especially in Ohio! [evil]
I believe it is against the law to have a vault in ones vehicle......at least in some states.
Quote from: angler on July 01, 2010, 10:21:45 AM
Here, let me google that for you http://tinyurl.com/35yek8p (http://tinyurl.com/35yek8p)
Short answer. No. I've heard of rounds cooking off in hot barrels, but that is at much higher temps.
I'd be more concerned about secure in car storage. Leaving my guns in the car always concerns me. They make secure boxes that bolt into consoles or under seats.
I tried to google it, but all the websites at work are blocked that had the potential answer!
Thank you though. I will read those links when I get home.
I don't like the idea of storing the gun in my car either, which is why I probably won't carry to work, but if I have to lock it in my car if I go into the bank........then that is what I have to do.
Quote from: rgramjet on July 01, 2010, 10:35:47 AM
You do such good work! ;D
Id share the same security concerns......especially in Ohio! [evil]
I believe it is against the law to have a vault in ones vehicle......at least in some states.
I am a Hoosier.........I just live in Ohio.
Quote from: rgramjet on July 01, 2010, 10:35:47 AM
You do such good work! ;D
Id share the same security concerns......especially in Ohio! [evil]
I believe it is against the law to have a vault in ones vehicle......at least in some states.
In MD the firearm has to be in a locked container. Unloaded. No loaded magazines or ammo may be in the same box. It is also against the law to transport a firearm anywhere except to a range, hunting or gunsmith. Unless you have a CCW which are as scarce as hens teeth. No comment on any of this......
But it is perfectly legal to have a vault in the car, just so long as no ammo is in the vault.
I thought in most states the firearm is required to be in a locked container, or at least outside of reach, unless you have a CCW. I'm sure I am wrong........
Quote from: angler on July 01, 2010, 10:44:24 AM
I thought in most states the firearm is required to be in a locked container, or at least outside of reach, unless you have a CCW. I'm sure I am wrong........
I believe you are right with there having to a number of steps in order to get to said weapon...
Ah.... Texas. We can have loaded shotguns and rifles in racks hanging in the back window of our trucks! [thumbsup] Except that someone would steal them in about two minutes! [bang] TX allows a place of business to keep ccw out but they have to post a very specific sign plainly visible at the entrance. There are other taboo places too but they recently relaxed some of those restrictions.
I never have had a problem leaving a loaded firearm in a hot car. A small lock box under the seat is a nice idea. It's a compromise but mine is well hidden (no glovebox or console) but it's a little tougher to access in a hurry. Still, a trade off in case the truck gets broken into. Which happened last summer. :P Luckily the alarm scared them off and they left empty handed. A witness to it in the parking lot gave me the whole story. Too bad the security cameras were all pointing elsewhere. Cost me a $275 side window but nothing else.
You guys need to move further south. Open carry is legal here in Bama, unless you are in your car (that's not unusual), and it is only federal/state/municipal buildings you can't carry in.
Walked into Sherriffs office, plunked down $20, walked out with CCW. [evil]
Quote from: zooom on July 01, 2010, 11:12:33 AM
I believe you are right with there having to a number of steps in order to get to said weapon...
Ohio is a bit different.
In the trunk of my car I can have all my guns and boxes of ammo.
Illegal transport comes into play if you have any of the guns loaded or a magazine loaded. I could even go as far as to have one big box with everything in it, but the mags have to be empty.
So I guess that is a step process, but not one like you keep the ammo in the "cab" of the vehicle and the guns in the trunk or something of that nature.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 01, 2010, 10:43:05 AM
<snip>
I am a Hoser.........I just live in Ohio.
All fixed.
Quote from: angler on July 01, 2010, 10:44:24 AM
In MD ...... Unless you have a CCW which are as scarce as hens teeth.
you'd be surprised.
(it's all in the phrasing of the application).
and talk of 'better' ccw laws in different states is going to get this locked. It's a motorcycle forum. debate about gun laws can be found on lots of other forums all over the net.
So if the subject is what is legal or not, state a law, with a valid citation to it, and knock off the editorializing.
on a different note: Jesus, Cyrus, you ask the most newbie questions in some threads and act like rambo in others. Good to know that anyone who reads the forum knows where to steal a handgun in a month or so...from your glovebox. [roll]
Quote from: Monsterlover on July 01, 2010, 02:55:54 AM
Please explain why he is clueless?
There is so much I would need to talk to you in person. ;) Here are a couple.
His deliberate load sequence is terrible. Always mimick your emergency/combat reload. (Both of his suck, by the way)
In his draw steps, he doesn't have you put your finger on the trigger until full presentation. You should be staging the
trigger (removing slack) throughout the presentation.
etc.. etc
Quote from: kopfjäger on July 01, 2010, 01:27:32 PM
There is so much I would need to talk to you in person. ;) Here are a couple.
His deliberate load sequence is terrible. Always mimick your emergency/combat reload. (Both of his suck, by the way)
In his draw steps, he doesn't have you put your finger on the trigger until full presentation. You should be staging the
trigger (removing slack) throughout the presentation.
etc.. etc
I don't know enough either way to comment but...
Watching the vid I couldn't help the feeling that I was watching a mall ninja that got a hold of a video camera [laugh]
Quote from: Monsterlover on July 01, 2010, 06:24:44 PM
I don't know enough either way to comment but...
Watching the vid I couldn't help the feeling that I was watching a mall ninja that got a hold of a video camera [laugh]
Well, you know enough then. ;)
Quote from: Statler on July 01, 2010, 01:22:12 PM
and talk of 'better' ccw laws in different states is going to get this locked. It's a motorcycle forum. debate about gun laws can be found on lots of other forums all over the net.
I hope you didn't mistake fastwin or my posts for pointing out "better" CCW laws. Just explaining how it works in our states, down in the warmer, (more cowboy?) end of the US. 8) ;D
Quote from: The Happy Pip on July 01, 2010, 06:28:49 PM
I hope you didn't mistake fastwin or my posts for pointing out "better" CCW laws. Just explaining how it works in our states, down in the warmer, (more cowboy?) end of the US. 8) ;D
if it matters
that's how it read to me (an explanation I mean, not one state is better than another)
that being said
I'm off all week next week and plan to throw some lead down range :)
Yeah, I deleted a long post that dicussed laws in TX that seemed much more favorable than other states then deleted the shit out of it after I saw that post. Meant no harm whatsoever. Used what little sense I have left and thought better to delete it. Don't want to f#@k up a seemingly nice thread that I started over doing something that treads too close to violation. Minding my business here. [thumbsup] Shaking that bush boss. [laugh]
It's a motorcycle forum for sure but this is a no moto content section. Absolutely no dis-respect at all to the admins but sometimes we plebeians need your guidance to the rules. The warnings are good and appreciated but an explanation of what we did wrong would be a good thing. Some times I see it spelled out, some times not. If I'm into trout fishing and I discuss laws in other states on a trout fishing thread and disagree with them do I get in trouble over that? Just a rhetorical question. Just want to be heads up on not screwing up. Hope this is taken the right way. You guys rock. Just don't want to screw a thread by mistake. PM me if you feel that's appropriate. Thanks guys!! [thumbsup]
Quote from: fastwin on July 01, 2010, 06:49:01 PM
Yeah, I deleted a long post that dicussed laws in TX that seemed much more favorable than other states then deleted the shit out of it after I saw that post. Meant no harm whatsoever. Used what little sense I have left and thought better to delete it. Don't want to f#@k up a seemingly nice thread that I started over doing something that treads too close to violation. Minding my business here. [thumbsup] Shaking that bush boss. [laugh]
It's a motorcycle forum for sure but this is a no moto content section. Absolutely no dis-respect at all to the admins but sometimes we plebeians need your guidance to the rules. The warnings are good and appreciated but an explanation of what we did wrong would be a good thing. Some times I see it spelled out, some times not. If I'm into trout fishing and I discuss laws in other states on a trout fishing thread and disagree with them do I get in trouble over that? Just a rhetorical question. Just want to be heads up on not screwing up. Hope this is taken the right way. You guys rock. Just don't want to screw a thread by mistake. PM me if you feel that's appropriate. Thanks guys!! [thumbsup]
Here's my take on your question.
Laws are legislation. They are fact. We don't have a rule about stating fact.
They, however, are fabricated by politicians and discussion of the law is in effect discussion of politics.
We don't do politics...gun politics...fishing politics...doesn't matter.
Does that answer your question?
....unless DP lights one up!
fixed it for ya....
:-)
Crikey. I wrote a bunch of stuff then I deleted it for the sake of fastwin's thread.
I guess I'll PM Statler (the mod) about any further discussion about MD CCW. Just had some questions, but now I'm skeered. [thumbsup]
Quote from: ducpainter on July 01, 2010, 01:04:13 PM
All fixed.
So funny Nate.
Isn't name calling a board violation?
I believe it is, but I'll let it slide with you.
Quote from: Statler on July 01, 2010, 01:22:12 PM
on a different note: Jesus, Cyrus, you ask the most newbie questions in some threads and act like rambo in others. Good to know that anyone who reads the forum knows where to steal a handgun in a month or so...from your glovebox. [roll]
My posts are all done for self gratification and to fuel my ego. Remember, you diagnosed me with that.
Quote from: ducpainter on July 02, 2010, 01:25:04 AM
Here's my take on your question.
Laws are legislation. They are fact. We don't have a rule about stating fact.
They, however, are fabricated by politicians and discussion of the law is in effect discussion of politics.
We don't do politics...gun politics...fishing politics...doesn't matter.
Does that answer your question?
Yeah, I guess it's best just to always use the 10 foot pole rule. "I wouldn't touch that with a 10 ft pole" kinda thing. But sometimes an Admin says stating a law is OK and yet you are saying that is in effect inviting discussion of politics. I'm still going with the 10 ft pole thing. But hopefully you can see how it gets a little IZ_ if you mention a law and folks start talking about that law. So you shouldn't even mention that the law exists out of concerns it will be discussed?
Just trying to stay out of trouble on future threads. This will be the end of this for me, won't bring it up again in public.
Anyway, thank you for the answer. Appreciate it. [thumbsup] Back to gun stuff...
I'm trying to change the stock out on my Rem 870 express back to the stock one (for skeet shooting), but can't remember how I put the new one on!
I knocked out the two pins by the chamber, just need to figure out how to remove that piece.
I think I need to watch you tube again on disassembling the gun.
Quote from: ducpainter on July 02, 2010, 01:25:04 AM
We don't do politics...gun politics...fishing politics...doesn't matter.
Does that answer your question?
what about the politics of breast implants?...LOL...J/K
on a different note...to bridge the 2 discussions ( weapons and motorcycles, since it is a motorcycle forum).....if you were to mount a weapon on your moto, whether for defense or offense ( I guess you can think Mad Max/Road Warrior if you want ) what would you mount and how or why?
Don't know what you have on it now, but on the factory stock there are two phillips head screws "buried" in the cushion pad of the stock. One at the top and one at the bottom. You may have to look hard to see the hole marks on the cushion pad. Remove those to remove the pad. The stock is hollow inside and there is a slotted screw that needs to be loosened in order for the stock to be removed. Reverse order is how it installs.
I have no idea what's on it now. But the back of the receiver (where the stock fits) has a theaded nut attached. Whatever stock you are using (factory stock or not) attaches to that threaded nut. May be a bolt or a screw but it attaches the same way.
The two pins in the receiver shouldn't have anything to do with your stock. But then again I don't know what stock you have on it. Those hold in the trigger assembly. I remove those when cleaning the gun and they are replaced with long screws to hold on a Side Saddle receiver mounted shell holder.
Quote from: zooom on July 02, 2010, 05:53:21 AM
on a different note...to bridge the 2 discussions ( weapons and motorcycles, since it is a motorcycle forum).....if you were to mount a weapon on your moto, whether for defense or offense ( I guess you can think Mad Max/Road Warrior if you want ) what would you mount and how or why?
I'm thinking old west scabbard with a side by side "stage coach" shotgun. Maybe mounted along the forks. But I'm right handed so couldn't work the throttle and shoot at the same time. Guess I have to go weak hand. Either that or a Dillon Aero/M134 mini gun on the top triple clamps. I need to call Christian at SpeedyMoto and see if they can whip me up a mount for my bar risers! [evil] [laugh]
Quote from: fastwin on July 02, 2010, 06:01:56 AM
Don't know what you have on it now, but on the factory stock there are two phillips head screws "buried" in the cushion pad of the stock. One at the top and one at the bottom. You may have to look hard to see the hole marks on the cushion pad. Remove those to remove the pad. The stock is hollow inside and there is a slotted screw that needs to be loosened in order for the stock to be removed. Reverse order is how it installs.
I have no idea what's on it now. But the back of the receiver (where the stock fits) has a theaded nut attached. Whatever stock you are using (factory stock or not) attaches to that threaded nut. May be a bolt or a screw but it attaches the same way.
The two pins in the receiver shouldn't have anything to do with your stock. But then again I don't know what stock you have on it. Those hold in the trigger assembly. I remove those when cleaning the gun and they are replaced with long screws to hold on a Side Saddle receiver mounted shell holder.
Oh yeah, I know how the stock one installs. It has a big ass bolt with a hex head you screw into the gun. Got that covered. Then put the little pad back on and we are good to go.
I have an M4 retractable stock on it now, just need to remember how I installed the make the beast with two backsing thing!
Any pics of it? I know they exist, just don't have any on my scatterguns.
Quote from: fastwin on July 02, 2010, 06:24:27 AM
Any pics of it? I know they exist, just don't have any on my scatterguns.
I remember when I installed it I did have to disassemble the firearm as the stock slid into the receiver and it required a few screws to bolt it on.
I'll take some pics later of it.
I think I need to get the top "cover" off to access that area of the gun.
B,
Here's a close up picture of the shotgun's ass end. As I said above, want to get the M4 buttstock removed. Two back pins are already out.
Sorry for the shitty blackberry 3.2mp pictures, I can't find my digital camera. The wife hid it somewhere.
The buttstock is one complete unit.
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/jshoward11/IMG00014-20100702-1426.jpg)
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/jshoward11/IMG00015-20100702-1426.jpg)
Can't really see how it attaches in those pics other than it some how bolts/screws up to the back of the receiver in a similar fashion to the original stock. Do you remember it having any other attachment points other than that? I pulled up Cheaper Than Dirt's website and clicked on shotgun stocks and looked at what they had to offer. Read a few customer reviews of what they sell but none of them gave an exact description of install/removal. Although it's not the same brand as yours they either said it took 2 minutes to swap stocks/super easy or it was a total pain in the ass and they had to spend hours filing and grinding on it. It seemed to be a universal fit collapsable stock and mounted up fine on some brands but not so great on others. They also complained that the top of the stock blocked your ability to see the front bead sight. Not good. Yours doesn't look like it would interfere.
Anyway, none of that applies to yours. Let me know if it has another manner of attaching. Did you have to remove the two cross pins from the receiver? I can see better in the bottom pic and they look like they are not involved in the stock mount. I bet there is just some way to go through the ass of the stock and get to the retaining bolt/screw where it bolts up to the back of the receiver.
I think you are right on all points.
I can't remember if I attached the stock from inside the gun or a big hex bolt like stock.
I think there may be a back port of entry..........(leave the jokes out)
Picking up the Sig 250 tomorrow!!
Sweet. What caliber? P250s offer all sorts options, you can swap calibers and lower receiver/pistol grip size which is pretty neat. [thumbsup] Have fun with it... as if I have to tell you that. ;D
I got the Subcompact 9mm. Having a PIA trying to find a good holster......
Almost got a Glock 26 but I like the size, trigger, capacity and changability of the Sig.
For $285 I can get a mid or full size kit in .40 etc etc......love that!
And the kits aren't MD regulated firearms, so they are cash and carry.
Yes or mailorder.
If anyone cares, I got my M4 stock off and the original back on.
B was right, there was a hex head buried deep in the M$ stock. Had to remove rubber end and then use a really long hex head to unbolt it.
The only problem is I can't find the damn screws that hold that rubber end plate on [bang]
I have it stuck in there and used some black electrical tape until I can source some replacements at the local hardware store.
Some small self threading wood screws will work. The screws might still be stuck inside the cushion pad. The rubber pad will close back up when you pull the screwdriver out and will hold the screws hidden in the pad. Take a look. [thumbsup]
Glad you finally got that sucker off. Enjoy your clay shoot.
I've got a 26 and 27 but it's cool that the P250 allows you that flexibilty for less $$$. Where have you been looking for holsters? Some sort of concealed holster I assume? Good luck finding what you want.
Quote from: fastwin on July 02, 2010, 01:54:58 PM
Some small self threading wood screws will work. The screws might still be stuck inside the cushion pad. The rubber pad will close back up when you pull the screwdriver out and will hold the screws hidden in the pad. Take a look. [thumbsup]
Glad you finally got that sucker off. Enjoy your clay shoot.
Enjoy my awful clay shooting abilities!!!!
I can't find the screws, but I was trying to find some around the house as you mentioned to mount the pad, but don't have any quite long enough with a small enough head to fit inside the rubber pad.
I'll get some from the hardware store in the morning.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 02, 2010, 04:46:48 AM
So funny Nate.
Isn't name calling a board violation?
I believe it is, but I'll let it slide with you.
<snip>
Quote from: ducatiz on May 07, 2008, 07:47:36 AM
i can
6. Ballsniffer
7. Manlove212
8. RumpRangerJim
9. Senora Cinco Dolares
10. Madame Thumb
that was it, wasn't it?
;:|
So...
the man of your dreams can call you almost anything...
and you beg to blow him like the good little love slave you are...
but I call you hoser and you get all sensitive?
I think my feeling is hurt. [roll]
Quote from: ducpainter on July 03, 2010, 02:45:44 AM
So...
the man of your dreams can call you almost anything...
and you beg to blow him like the good little love slave you are...
but I call you hoser and you get all sensitive?
I think my feeling is hurt. [roll]
He's hurt because he loves you more.
He's got a mancrush
Quote from: ducpainter on July 03, 2010, 02:45:44 AM
So...
the man of your dreams can call you almost anything...
and you beg to blow him like the good little love slave you are...
but I call you hoser and you get all sensitive?
I think my feeling is hurt. [roll]
Damn man, it's going to take me ages to clean all the coffee off/out of my lap top!
>:(
[laugh]
Quote from: ducpainter on June 28, 2010, 07:01:06 PM
I have a question...
Not to demean Mr. Sevigny's talent...but...
how does he do if someone is shooting back?
Just a question mind you.
I like this simulation. Normal shooters, normal gun......its like amateur gun porn! Sure the pros are fun to watch.....their perfection gets boring.
High Speed Amatuer Pistol Shooting - Sig Sauer p220 .45 ACP (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWqQZOyd84o#normal)
Awerbuck has a life size torso and head target set up, sometimes two sometimes three targets, fully clothed in shirts and caps. One or two will be behind the "hostage" and the whole target set up is mounted on a table/stand that allows him to pull on ropes and make it turn and move. It's a hoot! Very life like. He'll sometimes make you work in a two man team and approach from both sides. First shooter with the best shot fires and can't put anything on the hostage. I've done it several times in his shotgun classes. Great drill!
Hope this link works: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.southernexposuretraining.com/gallery/main.php%3Fg2_view%3Dcore.DownloadItem%26g2_itemId%3D244%26g2_serialNumber%3D2&imgrefurl=http://www.southernexposuretraining.com/gallery/main.php%3Fg2_itemId%3D242&h=453&w=640&sz=59&tbnid=VuzkW1KVVLm1mM:&tbnh=97&tbnw=137&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dlouis%2Bawerbuck&hl=en&usg=__BF5cWEsb2bSGfKjbD1M0QCS8jsg=&sa=X&ei=nGQvTPXhKoGBlAfj_6HBCQ&ved=0CDEQ9QEwAw (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.southernexposuretraining.com/gallery/main.php%3Fg2_view%3Dcore.DownloadItem%26g2_itemId%3D244%26g2_serialNumber%3D2&imgrefurl=http://www.southernexposuretraining.com/gallery/main.php%3Fg2_itemId%3D242&h=453&w=640&sz=59&tbnid=VuzkW1KVVLm1mM:&tbnh=97&tbnw=137&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dlouis%2Bawerbuck&hl=en&usg=__BF5cWEsb2bSGfKjbD1M0QCS8jsg=&sa=X&ei=nGQvTPXhKoGBlAfj_6HBCQ&ved=0CDEQ9QEwAw)
Two vids. First one is Awerbuck, just a so so vid of him. He is a great instructor in person. One of my all time favorites. The second one is a good friend of mine T.J. Pilling. Tiger Valley is his school and it has classes in Dallas and Waco. He's a former Marine sniper and was head of Garland PD SWAT for years. He was their head marksman. Pretty slick with a scattergun too. [thumbsup] Sorry for all the wind noise.
The Combat Shotgun (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4objym5zh7c&NR=1#normal)
T.I.G.E.R. Valley combat shotgun reload (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrlsElWfnC0&feature=related#normal)
Quote from: rgramjet on July 03, 2010, 07:05:32 AMSure the pros are fun to watch.....their perfection gets boring.
What? [bang] I'd should motivate you to train harder.
I love watching the top guys and gals run and gun! Live or video. It's like watching Rossi, Spies, etc. They all just blow me away... bikes or guns. Perfection is one thing, awesomeness never gets boring to me. I train as hard as I can on my own, my motivation comes from just wanting to be better, safer and more proficient. Bikes or guns. Watching top guns and Rossi is just plain fun entertainment! [clap] [popcorn] [bow_down]
If's official:
My brother's and I suck and trap/skeet shooting.
Blackwing Shooting club in Delaware, Ohio rocks.
This guy named Bill took us out for our 2rnds a piece (25 per round, but he gave us much more) and pretty much taught us pigeon shooting. We have all been before, but only 2-3 times each and never really at a club. More of a backyard slinging type of deal.
He is a former military and was on some special hostage task force so Bill only shoots like 90 of out of a 100 on sporing clays, but will ring every target with a 9mm as he has shot thousands and thousands of rounds on triple taps. I wouldn't doubt this dude.
Anyway, by the end of our adventure, Bill taught all of us many lessons on pigeon shooting:
Most importantly, position your face on the stock so your line of sight is direct with the barrel. Never ever look at the sights on the gun or the barrel in general. Just watch the target and depending on the shot, Eye aim whatever space between the target and your spray.
Just never thought of it that way as the majority of my shooting has been handgun, rifle, and fixed target shotgun.
He says it is very similiar, all muscle reaction and memory.
Also..........as we passed each station and game, Bill had us hitting pigeons we were way off on.
The best part:
Based on our shooting, he picked all of our professions.
doctor
lawyer
business Accountant
He picked it all up by interacting us by watching us shoot.
I might get some lessons from Bill on pigeon shooting, as well as handgun as he knows his shit.
Glad you guys had fun and learned a few things! Can't beat that. [thumbsup]
Quote from: kopfjäger on July 03, 2010, 01:30:45 PM
What? [bang] I'd should motivate you to train harder.
Of course, and it does. But, I like to watch creative target shooting ie. a running deer or a sillouette coming at the shooter as well as a fixed course that the pro's practice on a thousand times. Mixes it up a little and shows what a normal guy can expect to shoot.
Quote from: rgramjet on July 03, 2010, 08:19:38 PMBut, I like to watch creative target shooting ie. a running deer
Shoot a lot of running deer with a handgun, do ya? :D
Actually yes.....and muzzle loader, shotgun and rifle. My range has a Running deer target. I bought a Colt Anaconda a few years ago to hunt deer. Havent connected yet but plan to. Need more practice!
Quote from: rgramjet on July 03, 2010, 08:33:13 PM
Actually yes.....and muzzle loader, shotgun and rifle. My range has a Running deer target. I bought a Colt Anaconda a few years ago to hunt deer. Havent connected yet but plan to. Need more practice!
Why wait till their running? Oh, and didn't you mean shoot "at" deer. :D
;D
More about the follow up shot in case my first doesnt drop them. Ill usually whistle or grunt to make them stop in their tracks before pulling the trigger the first time.
Quote from: rgramjet on July 03, 2010, 08:39:21 PM
;D
More about the follow up shot in case my first doesnt drop them. Ill usually whistle or grunt to make them stop in their tracks before pulling the trigger the first time.
Also, shooting an Anaconda at deer from a tree house, (probably from a rest) has absolutely nothing to do with tactical/combat shooting. Other than sight alignment and trigger control.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 03, 2010, 07:13:45 PM
He is a former military and was on some special hostage task force
I'm at a lose for words.
Quote from: rgramjet on July 03, 2010, 08:33:13 PM
I bought a Colt Anaconda a few years ago to hunt deer.
I used to have an Anaconda (in .45 Colt with a 4" barrel) years ago. Sold it like an idiot, and then Colt came out and announced that they would cease production. I'd do almost anything to get that thing back...
Quote from: kopfjäger on July 03, 2010, 10:35:13 PM
I'm at a lose for words.
Maybe if you spelled correctly you wouldn't be at a loss for words?
Quote from: ducpainter on July 03, 2010, 02:45:44 AM
but I call you hoser and you get all sensitive?
I think my feeling is hurt. [roll]
You obviously aren't too familiar with my sense of humor or my postings.
Most of it is bullshitting around.
I could careless if you call me a hoser; been called much worse and that didn't hurt my feelings either.
This is a gun thread, please stay on topic.
Quote from: kopfjäger on July 03, 2010, 09:02:38 PM
Also, shooting an Anaconda at deer from a tree house, (probably from a rest) has absolutely nothing to do with tactical/combat shooting. Other than sight alignment and trigger control.
It can get tough! Sometimes my "treehouse" heater will go out and it will drop down to 50 degrees......makes me shudder a little bit when I line up my easy shot on my rest when its That cold in there. [roll]
Other than sight alignment and trigger control, what else is there?
I guess there is stance, breathing and how fast one can drop and pop a polished, matched magazine into a magazine funnel (that they have practiced in the mirror 1 million times). Oh yeah, then theres the "tactical garment".....the vest! That is one real world piece of apparel!
My point is, those guys are in a controlled and practised environment with specialized and lightened equipment. I would like them to hit a moving target using guns like I have.
Ive never been in a real combat scenerio and I thank God for people that have on our behalf.
Im gonna go call my guide now. I want to see if he tracked the animal that Im going to shoot this year.....
Quote from: DRKWNG on July 04, 2010, 03:26:34 AM
I used to have an Anaconda (in .45 Colt with a 4" barrel) years ago. Sold it like an idiot, and then Colt came out and announced that they would cease production. I'd do almost anything to get that thing back...
Yeah, that was one of my suggested thread topics. Guns you foolishly let go and now you wished you had back. [bang] They stopped production, went up in value by ten times, you've never seen another one since, etc... Haven't we all done that at one time or another! I've done that with scooters too... ugh. Any other "whoa is me, why the make the beast with two backs did I sell that" stories out there? I've got a few but it just makes me pissed to think about 'em. >:(
By the way, Happy Fourth of July!!! Let's keep folks in our military, here and overseas, in our thoughts and prayers today! [clap] [bow_down] [beer] God bless them.
I wish I never would have sold my first gun, just a stainless Ruger P89 9mm.
Nothing special at all, but that is what got me in to guns (actually shooting my brother's Glock 21 was first and I bought my Ruger after. I was in college, didn't have a lot of money and it was the cheapest, good quality gun I could afford. Sure as hell wasn't going to buy a Hi-Point).
I wonder where that gun is now........I know who I sold it to, wonder if he still has it.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 04, 2010, 04:46:34 AM
You obviously aren't too familiar with my sense of humor or my postings.
Most of it is bullshitting around.
I could careless if you call me a hoser; been called much worse and that didn't hurt my feelings either.
This is a gun thread, please stay on topic.
Actually I'm very familiar with your posting. I've been reading your bullshit for years.
Your humor...I guess you could call it that.
You're telling me to stay on topic?
Jud, put the make the beast with two backsing pipe down.
Quote from: ducpainter on July 05, 2010, 12:41:43 PM
Actually I'm very familiar with your posting. I've been reading your bullshit for years.
Your humor...I guess you could call it that.
You're telling me to stay on topic?
Jud, put the make the beast with two backsing pipe down.
Why is it that every time I shoot a glock, from a Model 19, 21, 22, and my 33, I am shooting every round high left?
I don't have this issue with any of my other handguns.
Is it possibly trigger pull technique that is causing the gun to move?
Anticipating recoil, or not following through.
Quote from: kopfjäger on July 05, 2010, 06:25:17 PM
Anticipating recoil, or not following through.
I thought about both of those, but just can't figure out why it only happens with Glocks
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 05, 2010, 06:30:00 PM
I thought about both of those, but just can't figure out why it only happens with Glocks
Well, make sure that you are following through with each shot. Seeing the front sight jump, and return to the target for follow on shots, every time.
Quote from: kopfjäger on July 05, 2010, 06:41:14 PM
Well, make sure that you are following through with each shot. Seeing the front sight jump, and return to the target for follow on shots, every time.
I definitely do that, that is why I can't figure out why I am such an awful shot with any glock.
I don't have the anticipation or follow-through issues with any of my other guns, but I suppose it could be limited to the Glock. I am going shooting again in a week, so I'll pay attention to anticipation and of course making sure I follow-through and am back on target for every shot.
I guess a lesson is in order at the range to figure out and then correct my high left shooting issue.
The rounds are still landing center mass.......just not a straight group like I'd prefer.
I promise you, it's not the gun.
Quote from: kopfjäger on July 06, 2010, 09:54:58 PM
I promise you, it's not the gun.
Oh yeah, it's no doubt the gun, it's my inability to properly shoot that gun.
I think it has to do with my trigger pull.
^^^
probably not the best grammar in the first sentence.
It isn't the guns fault.
Here are a few videos of my my co-worker.
Glock reload.wmv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY1gaqq5fIg#normal)
wotg-2.wmv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHcNlDkX__4#normal)
^ My brother's girlfriend's neighbor's cousin (twice removed) is a hell of a lot faster than that!!
Quote from: DRKWNG on July 09, 2010, 01:11:59 PM
^ My brother's girlfriend's neighbor's cousin (twice removed) is a hell of a lot faster than that!!
[laugh] :D
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 05, 2010, 06:19:14 PM
Is it possibly trigger pull technique that is causing the gun to move?
Get a range buddy to prep the gun for you, with a loaded mag but either a round in the chamber or not, without you knowing which. Then fire normally. For the "fakes", see if you flinch or jerk at all. Correct that, and repeat, until there's no flinch or jerk for either the fakes or the full chamber shots.
This sort of safe "Russian roulette" can work wonders. Just remember, the gun is always loaded. Don't let this sort of goal-oriented self-trickery end up horribly wrong because you thought that it was empty.
^^ Ball & Dummy Drill. You can do this yourself if you don't have someone at the range with you.
Just mix some dummy rounds in with live rounds.
Fast Revolver Shooting (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3fgduPdH_Y&feature=related#normal)
Quote from: DRKWNG on July 09, 2010, 01:11:59 PM
^ My brother's girlfriend's neighbor's cousin (twice removed) is a hell of a lot faster than that!!
That may be the funniest thing I've heard here in a while. [thumbsup]
Quote from: kopfjäger on July 09, 2010, 01:16:44 PM
[laugh] :D
Took you a second, didn't it? ;)
Quote from: ducpainter on July 09, 2010, 05:25:46 PM
That may be the funniest thing I've heard here in a while. [thumbsup]
I live to serve. [thumbsup]
Quote from: muskrat on July 09, 2010, 04:54:59 PM
Fast Revolver Shooting (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3fgduPdH_Y&feature=related#normal)
Jerry Miculek is the man, but this dude ain't too shabby.
Fastest gun in the west (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9AJzv8gb2A#normal)
Then you have Bob Munden.
Fastest shooter in the world. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS9uGktUCrY#normal)
Quote from: trenner on July 09, 2010, 02:34:28 PM
Get a range buddy to prep the gun for you, with a loaded mag but either a round in the chamber or not, without you knowing which. Then fire normally. For the "fakes", see if you flinch or jerk at all. Correct that, and repeat, until there's no flinch or jerk for either the fakes or the full chamber shots.
This sort of safe "Russian roulette" can work wonders. Just remember, the gun is always loaded. Don't let this sort of goal-oriented self-trickery end up horribly wrong because you thought that it was empty.
I've done this with a revolver. Mix and match spent cases, .38 special, and .357 magnum to see just how badly you're flinching. [laugh]
(http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo118/Speedbag/2010_0709Image0001.jpg)
(http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo118/Speedbag/2010_0709Image0002.jpg)
It's pretty and all
but
it reminds me of the first time I heard a hit with an aluminum bat
Quote from: Mother on July 10, 2010, 03:09:31 AM
It's pretty and all
but
it reminds me of the first time I heard a hit with an aluminum bat
Guns have been plastic for a while though.
that's kinda cool.
Quote from: ducpainter on July 10, 2010, 03:21:26 AM
Guns have been plastic for a while though.
that's kinda cool.
I am not sure if this is when they started making Polymer guns stocks, grips, etc, but during the early phases of the Vietnam War, the M14's had wood stocks and they didn't fair too well in the jungle for obvious reasons. Therefore, the gubment contractors started making fiberglass stocks for them to alleviate this problem.
I dig that gun, I bet it is super light.
Probably really nice for a long day of clay shooting.
Must resist...
Does anyone carry Hornaday Critical Defense rounds in their service/duty/ccw firearm?
thoughts on them?
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 10, 2010, 09:43:15 AM
Does anyone carry Hornaday Critical Defense rounds in their service/duty/ccw firearm?
thoughts on them?
I have 3 13rd mags packed with 'em for my XD45... can't tell ya much though, as I haven't had to use them yet.
Quote from: Rev. Millertime on July 10, 2010, 09:50:06 AM
I have 3 13rd mags packed with 'em for my XD45... can't tell ya much though, as I haven't had to use them yet.
You've cycled some through your gun before carrying them, right?
I carry hornady critical defense in my SR9 and XDm-9. They cycle perfectly through both guns. Then again...I've never had a FTF with any ammunition in either gun. I dug one out of a hillside just to see how it expanded (I know it's not realistic, but I was curious). It was about 1.5 times larger in diameter and in a star shape...reminded me of the old ads for black talon ammo.
Quote from: Snake on July 12, 2010, 04:22:13 AM
I carry hornady critical defense in my SR9 and XDm-9. They cycle perfectly through both guns. Then again...I've never had a FTF with any ammunition in either gun. I dug one out of a hillside just to see how it expanded (I know it's not realistic, but I was curious). It was about 1.5 times larger in diameter and in a star shape...reminded me of the old ads for black talon ammo.
Grazi.
Just wanted to see what you thought of them and how they cycled through your guns.
I am going to the range tomorrow, so I'll take one god damn expensive set of cartridges to make sure they feed properly.
I've already manually cycled them several times without incident, but need to waste a few at the range in a real environment.
FWIW I think you need to run hundreds of the round before you call it reliable.
Quote from: avizpls on July 12, 2010, 04:53:01 AM
FWIW I think you need to run hundreds of the round before you call it reliable.
Most likely but at almost a dollar a round.......that is pricey.
Quote from: Snake on July 12, 2010, 04:22:13 AM
I carry hornady critical defense in my SR9 and XDm-9. They cycle perfectly through both guns. Then again...I've never had a FTF with any ammunition in either gun. I dug one out of a hillside just to see how it expanded (I know it's not realistic, but I was curious). It was about 1.5 times larger in diameter and in a star shape...reminded me of the old ads for black talon ammo.
I've got a pile of the old Black Talon in stock before it was classified "cop killer" by folks we know. [roll] Always been fond of Cor-Bon. But I also have never dug a round out of flesh. Hell... ball ammo seems to have served the purpose for a few years. ;D As long as it runs, you can hit with it and doesn't jam it will do by me.
Glad to be back amongst the living and "adults". ;) Just got back from the family vacation late last night. A 650 mile drive with two 13.5 year old boys bouncing off the f#@king car roof the whole trip could make anyone want to veer into the oncoming lane!! Went to the family cabin in NE New Mexico for a week and for the 100th time NO TROUT! They just won't listen to the old man, still clueless about trout fishing to this day! [bang] But, the boys (step son and buddy) wore out the pellet guns off the front porch. I'm surprised there is any foliage on the trees and bushes down range! They had a great shooting gallery of 20+ cans hanging from tree limbs and bushes across the driveway. When we cleaned it all up before we left you couldn't tell what brand of drink the cans were because they were so riddled with holes! A couple of times my wife said "Damn, are they ever going to stop shooting?" Good times, good memories for the boys. No fish but lots of chewed up cans! [thumbsup] They had a blast.
Reminds me of growing up.....
My eldest brother had a Daisy Pump Action BB/Pellet gun.
We used to sit on my parents deck and try to hit this bird feeder pole (it was maybe 1/2 - 3/4 in diameter) from about, I don't know, 40 feet away.
Of course you always knew you hit it because it made a familiar "dingggggggggggg" noise.
You used to have duck behind the guard rail on the deck to prevent being hit by the odd ricochet.
then there were the neighbors about 500 yards away who claimed we put a BB through their huge bay window.
Odd the BB's we were shooting were silver in color but yet the BB she gave the police was copper in color.
There is no way in hell a make the beast with two backsing BB can penetrate and shatter a glass window at 500yrds. I think we maybe max pumped that gun 4-8 times during our contests.
Sounds like you were being set up and framed by grouchy neighbors. 500 yards my ass! Super Magnum BB!! [laugh]
Reminds me of a local news story a few years ago when a home owner in a newly built housing development in neighboring Plano, TX got the TV news crews out to their house to do a story on the "dangerous gun range" off in the distance. First off, who the hell builds a housing development next to a gun range that's been there for decades? Gun ranges and airports have the same problem with these yahoo home owners. [bang]
Anyway, as "proof" of the dangerous shooting going on at the range the home owner held up "spent rounds" that have ricocheted into his back yard where his children play. You guessed it... he was holding up shell casings, not bullets. [roll] He probably drove to the range and secretly snatched up a couple of shell casings for his 15 minutes of fame on TV news. Obviously it worked because there he was on TV complaining about his kids safety. :P And yes, the range is still there! [thumbsup]
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
I've often known shell casing to travel along with the bullet.........if you throw it with your hand or punt one....
That is hilarious.
The sucky thing is we ended up having to pay for that make the beast with two backsing piece of glass because a window was cheaper than an attorney.............
The funny thing also is (was at this present time....thanks AEP) there is a HUGE row of pine trees. So how the hell did this BB go all the way through my backyard and then four houses north of the house behind ours?
No make the beast with two backsing way.
The kicker of the story is.................there was an infant playing the same room and could have killed her according to this lady's filing with the police report.
It was a total sham for a new window.
Cyrus, I like your sig.
1999 M750 (joint ownership)
2004 S4r (mineeee)
2008 KLR650 (wifey's bike, but I steal it)
It sounds like my house. Ours (which means mine) MINE, and hers, but I maintain so I HAVE to ride it every now and then....
one way or another, they are all yours hahaha
Quote from: avizpls on July 12, 2010, 10:14:53 AM
Cyrus, I like your sig.
1999 M750 (joint ownership)
2004 S4r (mineeee)
2008 KLR650 (wifey's bike, but I steal it)
It sounds like my house. Ours (which means mine) MINE, and hers, but I maintain so I HAVE to ride it every now and then....
one way or another, they are all yours hahaha
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
If you really want to get technical, they are all mine because the titles are all in my name, but sit in our joint safety deposit box. AND......they are all registered to me.
but she did pay for the bike.........so on that side it is technically hers, I just did the inspection, test ride, and overall general ruling if it was a good buy or not.
[thumbsup]
Quote from: fastwin on July 12, 2010, 05:10:01 AM
I've got a pile of the old Black Talon in stock before it was classified "cop killer" by folks we know. [roll] Always been fond of Cor-Bon. But I also have never dug a round out of flesh. Hell... ball ammo seems to have served the purpose for a few years. ;D As long as it runs, you can hit with it and doesn't jam it will do by me.
Any chance you might still have a box of Black Talon 9mm that you would be willing to part with? I would love to add a box to the collection ;D
As far as testing ammo for reliability, I try to get it done with as few rounds as possible since some of the new defense ammo can be upwards of $1/round. I'll load a mag to capacity and shoot 3 rounds, reload with a magazine that only has 3 rounds in it and shoot those. This way i know it will feed no matter how compressed the mag spring is. Then I'll shoot 3 rounds while "limp wristing" the gun. I figure no matter how much you practice, if you actually need to use the gun in a defense situation you might not have a chance to get a solid grip.
As a birthday present to myself last weekend, I traded in my Glock 33 for a Glock 19.
I am trying to consolidate my guns based on caliber and the .357 Sig really didn't fit it in nor is it a very cost effective gun to shoot. So out it went. I did not get the Gen 4 model 19. I didn't think an ambi mag release or some clip on grip extension to be worth the extra money. I am sure the ambi mag release would have been nice for my wife who is left handed, but all our other guns are standard left side release, so I didn't see the point in a gun that is different then our others; She agreed.
Anyway.........
After trading some PM's with Kopjager and advice on here, I figured out my mysterious glock shooting issue: trigger pull.
Kopjager put it best "Don't think of it as pulling the trigger, rather think of it as pressing the trigger"
a little correction in that aspect of my shooting and no more high left rounds.
Thanks dude for the advice [thumbsup]
[clap]
It's nice when solutions are free, innit?
Quote from: The Happy Pip on July 14, 2010, 03:52:19 AM
[clap]
It's nice when solutions are free, innit?
I am sure at one day I will pay up with some beers per usual around these parts [thumbsup]
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 14, 2010, 04:08:29 AM
I am sure at one day I will pay up with some beers per usual around these parts [thumbsup]
Note to self... Help JuddDdDDdd. He pays in beer.
Quote from: The Happy Pip on July 14, 2010, 04:15:30 AM
Note to self... Help JuddDdDDdd. He pays in beer.
That seems to be the universal payment........beer or liquor..........or in Zltful's case.........throw in a cheeseburger and fries on the tab [roll]
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Quote from: Snake on July 13, 2010, 03:53:24 AM
Any chance you might still have a box of Black Talon 9mm that you would be willing to part with? I would love to add a box to the collection ;D
As far as testing ammo for reliability, I try to get it done with as few rounds as possible since some of the new defense ammo can be upwards of $1/round. I'll load a mag to capacity and shoot 3 rounds, reload with a magazine that only has 3 rounds in it and shoot those. This way i know it will feed no matter how compressed the mag spring is. Then I'll shoot 3 rounds while "limp wristing" the gun. I figure no matter how much you practice, if you actually need to use the gun in a defense situation you might not have a chance to get a solid grip.
You know, I'm not sure. I tended to be a .45acp guy around the time of the evil, murderous Talon Noir. I'm betting most of it is .45. I'll take a look in the bowels of my ammo stash and let you know. I moved toward Cor-Bon years ago and now pretty much any carry or home defense handgun I have packs that. Both 9mm or .45acp.
CB... I love my Glock 19s, they are my favorite Glock. As much as I am a 1911 fan Glocks run #2 on the list. They just seem to function well, aren't brutally expensive but most of all they just work for me. I was excited when the 21 came out years ago being a .45acp nut. But damn, it was big in the grip... at least for me. I have medium size hands at best. It all came full circle when the 36 came out. Glock goodness in an Officers frame size. Neat little gun in my fav caliber. Still digging the 19 the most... especially as cheap as surplus 9mm is to shoot in this day and time.
Great pro advice on the trigger work. Took me a while before a local IDPA hotshot beat that "press don't pull" trick into my head. Good stuff! [thumbsup]
Quote from: fastwin on July 14, 2010, 05:45:54 AM
You know, I'm not sure. I tended to be a .45acp guy around the time of the evil, murderous Talon Noir. I'm betting most of it is .45. I'll take a look in the bowels of my ammo stash and let you know. I moved toward Cor-Bon years ago and now pretty much any carry or home defense handgun I have packs that. Both 9mm or .45acp.
CB... I love my Glock 19s, they are my favorite Glock. As much as I am a 1911 fan Glocks run #2 on the list. They just seem to function well, aren't brutally expensive but most of all they just work for me. I was excited when the 21 came out years ago being a .45acp nut. But damn, it was big in the grip... at least for me. I have medium size hands at best. It all came full circle when the 36 came out. Glock goodness in an Officers frame size. Neat little gun in my fav caliber. Still digging the 19 the most... especially as cheap as surplus 9mm is to shoot in this day and time.
Great pro advice on the trigger work. Took me a while before a local IDPA hotshot beat that "press don't pull" trick into my head. Good stuff! [thumbsup]
Are these Talons you keep referring to the Teflon Coated infamous "cop killers?"
Glocks don't run the highest on my list, but I took a liking to my wife's Glock 21, got myself the 33 and figured it was a bad buy on my part based on ammo prices in general. However, I like this 19. It is a nice gun. A little lengthier than my Kahr, but not too bad. Also, you get 15 + 1 instead of 7 + 1 in the Kahr.
I've never gotten into 1911's. Never seemed functional to me unless you are open hip carrying which isn't really recommended in Ohio. Sure, it is technically allowed, but the harassment that will follow and subsequent tickets (heard someone got one for "insighting panic" or something like that) is not worth it. I have shot a few of them and thought it was a nice gun; shot a Kimber and a good old Colt.
Overall........I am a HK guy, but they have gotten ridiculously expensive.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 14, 2010, 05:55:21 AM
Are these Talons you keep referring to the Teflon Coated infamous "cop killers?"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Talon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Talon)
no teflon coating. it's an oxide (rust) process that gives the color. No ability to penetrate kevlar either due to mega high expansion rates
The best part is the irony of the phrase "cop killer". They were just a good self defense round that expanded into a pointed star shape. I guess a few nut-jobs decided it would be their ammo of choice when going on a shooting rampage...I think a cop may have been killed in the process. After the media blamed the entire incident on the black talons, they were pulled from the shelves. Supposedly, someone makes a round very similar to the talons..I want to say Ranger SXT? I remember looking into it and you have to be LEO to purchase them >:(
Read the wiki link, same mfgr makes the SXT (street slang + Same eXact Thing)
It's the old "blame the matches for starting the forest fire" thing. :P Especially those "forest killer" matches... they need to go. [bang] [laugh]
[laugh]
I didn't know anything about BT's until you guys started talking about them. I have to say, great design if your intent is to stop someone in their tracks.
Just looking at the tip you can see they're meant to basically triple in size on impact.
Not what I would want to be shot with if I had a choice.
Apparently the "petals" were very sharp, and a couple of doctors were nicked while removing them from wounds and bodies.
I think the intent of any security bullet is to stop someone in their tracks.............
Those suckers are expensive. I don't want to spend more than I have to on them to stop a scumbag.
Quote from: The Happy Pip on July 14, 2010, 06:57:20 AM
Apparently the "petals" were very sharp, and a couple of doctors were nicked while removing them from wounds and bodies.
Wiki says that's only rumored. No actual cases reported.
Don't doctors normally use a tool to grab a bullet and not fingers?
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 14, 2010, 07:05:56 AM
I think the intent of any security bullet is to stop someone in their tracks.............
Those suckers are expensive. I don't want to spend more than I have to on them to stop a scumbag.
dewd seriously?
you find yourself in a life and death situation where the only option left to you is to kill someone or die
and
you are worried about the financial end of that equation?
Quote from: Monsterlover on July 14, 2010, 07:11:45 AM
Wiki says that's only rumored. No actual cases reported.
Don't doctors normally use a tool to grab a bullet and not fingers?
that and has anyone ever seen a jacket that got tore up on
any hollow point that wasn't sharp and jagged?
I think that is the point
Absolutely, it is the point. [thumbsup]
I remember the doctors and their cut digits BS back in the day of the media anti-BT blitz. Yeah, what are they doing digging around with their hands looking for sharp metal objects? Aren't there perfectly good surgical instruments for that? A doc doing that would be the last doc I'd want working on me. :P Maybe emergency battlefield treatment but in a hospital? Total BS. Then and now.
Quote from: Mother on July 14, 2010, 07:16:13 AM
dewd seriously?
you find yourself in a life and death situation where the only option left to you is to kill someone or die
and
you are worried about the financial end of that equation?
that and has anyone ever seen a jacket that got tore up on any hollow point that wasn't sharp and jagged?
I think that is the point
You probably overlooked the sarcasm in that post. [thumbsup]
Yes, they have surgical instruments for probing around in soft tissue.
Also, the doc already knows where the bullet is because of x-rays taken before surgery.........that is if that facility is available to them.
Quote from: The Happy Pip on July 14, 2010, 06:57:20 AM
Apparently the "petals" were very sharp, and a couple of doctors were nicked while removing them from wounds and bodies.
;D [thumbsup]
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 14, 2010, 04:38:15 AM
That seems to be the universal payment........beer or liquor..........or in Zltful's case.........throw in a cheeseburger and fries on the tab [roll]
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Doood...
He was hungry. [thumbsup]
Quote from: ducpainter on July 14, 2010, 12:00:37 PM
Doood...
He was hungry. [thumbsup]
I bet the geeky IT make the beast with two backser had a per diem allowance, so he got to pocket his dinner ration for that night!
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
You just sucked down vodka and grapefruit juice like it was going out of style [thumbsup]
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 14, 2010, 12:05:39 PM
I bet the geeky IT make the beast with two backser had a per diem allowance, so he got to pocket his dinner ration for that night!
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
You just sucked down vodka and grapefruit juice like it was going out of style [thumbsup]
I'll bet he managed to eat his whole per diem before he headed home. He's an Iowa farm boy, and not a small one. ;)
I wouldn't have had to drink so many if they put any vodka in them.
Quote from: ducpainter on July 14, 2010, 12:15:47 PM
I'll bet he managed to eat his whole per diem before he headed home. He's an Iowa farm boy, and not a small one. ;)
I wouldn't have had to drink so many if they put any vodka in them.
He might not have eaten too much after the crazy night in Boston with Charlief. Let's just say charlie spit a bunch of saki all over our farm boy at a sushi joint at 1 in the morning. That night is a little hazy.
That's a good point, they were shitty pours. I remember they were in little make the beast with two backsing rocks glasses and weren't cheap either ;D
Quote from: muskrat on July 09, 2010, 04:54:59 PM
Fast Revolver Shooting (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3fgduPdH_Y&feature=related#normal)
I never grow tired of watching those fast revolver videos [thumbsup]
mitt
Me neither!
Fast Revolver Shooting (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3fgduPdH_Y#normal)
Sorry, not a derby, just worth posting again!! [beer] [thumbsup] [bow_down]
We need to somehow plan some meet up, centrally located, everyone bring out their guns, I am sure a few people have some pigeon throwers, and have a great weekend shooting shit up.
Anyone have an old car to donate?
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 15, 2010, 06:06:11 AM
We need to somehow plan some meet up, centrally located, everyone bring out their guns, I am sure a few people have some pigeon throwers, and have a great weekend shooting shit up.
That's a damned good idea, man.
Quote from: The Happy Pip on July 15, 2010, 06:54:10 AM
That's a damned good idea, man.
No shit it is ;D
We just need someone with property so we can shoot at whatever we want and not piss off neighbors.
Probably could scrounge up some old bowling pins and have some games like that.
also, people that would attend probably all have different firearms, so it'd be cool to shoot some guns we've never had a chance to before.
might not want to invite Millertime..............he'll bring tracer rounds.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 15, 2010, 07:04:26 AM
No shit it is ;D
[laugh] You ass. Humble much? :P
Y'all should come down here. Drive 20 minutes from my house in any direction but north and you run into miles and miles of unincorporated land. Plenty of room for shooting to be done.
Quote from: The Happy Pip on July 15, 2010, 07:10:57 AM
[laugh] You ass. Humble much? :P
Y'all should come down here. Drive 20 minutes from my house in any direction but north and you run into miles and miles of unincorporated land. Plenty of room for shooting to be done.
You fell into my trap. [laugh] [laugh]
That's perfect, just some open land that is legal to shoot on and there is zero chance of a .308 hitting anything worthwhile.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 15, 2010, 07:13:19 AM
That's perfect, just some open land that is legal to shoot on and there is zero chance of a .308 hitting anything worthwhile.
It's Alabama, buddy. Nothing worthwhile in the whole state.
Actually, I love this place.
My brother rents a cabin in Georgia where he hunts. I doubt anyone would care if you guys shot up a few cans.
That is a great idea [thumbsup]. A couple of years ago, me and a buddy spent an afternoon shooting up his old derby car with an AK. It is amazing how satisfying that can be [evil]
Quote from: The Happy Pip on July 15, 2010, 07:18:51 AM
It's Alabama, buddy. Nothing worthwhile in the whole state.
Actually, I love this place.
Is it Alabama or Georgia that has the annual full-auto meet up where these guys sit up on a bluff and just unload all sorts of lead on gas tanks, cars, or whatever else that goes bang?
Quote from: duccarlos on July 15, 2010, 07:33:06 AM
My brother rents a cabin in Georgia where he hunts. I doubt anyone would care if you guys shot up a few cans.
hahaha, "a few cans......."
I wonder if a friend of mine would let me borrow his WWII era Browning 50cal that sits on a tripod.
Unfortunately, I am not paying for the ammo if I get it ;D
Quote from: Snake on July 15, 2010, 07:40:50 AM
That is a great idea [thumbsup]. A couple of years ago, me and a buddy spent an afternoon shooting up his old derby car with an AK. It is amazing how satisfying that can be [evil]
I had a friend do this a while back.........he said the same thing.
Took the Sig 250 to the range yesterday. Shot a magazine of JHPs. Took me two shots to get a proper sight picture. Next ten knocked down the six inch steel plates at 30 feet. NICE!
Then I switched to cheapie S&B FMJs. Holy shit, they were all over place. Think I hit 10 out of 50. The DAO trigger is going to take some serious practice to get used to.
I need to get it on paper, I know. There was some old guy on the paper side of the pistol range taking his sweet time. I had the wife and hound in the car with the engine running.
What range did you go to?
Fairfax Rod and Gun Club in Manassas.
Tico's guard the petrol stations with rusted out Mossberg's
I wonder if they still fire?
No, I won't do an experiment and find out.
Have fun discussing all things gun related.
sac
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For a midwestern boy, I am surprised you are such a wimp when it comes to guns.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 26, 2010, 12:13:11 PM
For a midwestern boy, I am surprised you are such a wimp when it comes to guns.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/zarn02/fight.jpg)
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 26, 2010, 12:13:11 PM
For a midwestern boy, I am surprised you are such a wimp when it comes to guns.
Not all of us are afraid of their sister in law.
:o
Quote from: MrIncredible on July 26, 2010, 02:22:54 PM
Not all of us are afraid of their sister in law.
Sorry my friend, I have owned guns long before I met my wife and even longer before that specimen spent a brief time in my home.
try again [thumbsup]
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 26, 2010, 12:13:11 PM
For a midwestern boy, I am surprised you are such a wimp when it comes to guns.
I like guns. What I hate is big bad macho man attitude that so many gun enthusiasts have. It makes them sound retarded when they just go on and on and on even though no one cares. Thanks for not breaking any stereotypes with that wimp comment. Well done.
sac
Quote from: SacDuc on July 26, 2010, 04:29:03 PM
I like guns. What I hate is big bad macho man attitude that so many gun enthusiasts have. It makes them sound retarded when they just go on and on and on even though no one cares. Thanks for not breaking any stereotypes with that wimp comment. Well done.
sac
Glad I can fit your stereotype [thumbsup]
Guns serve a purpose.
They can be seen and not heard ...............or if provoked they can be quite nasty.
Dolph :)
Quote from: DoubleEagle on July 26, 2010, 05:53:21 PM
Guns serve a purpose.
They can be seen and not heard ...............or if provoked they can be quite nasty.
Dolph :)
That makes too much sense
I think we need to have a Chainsaw thread ....a special place where we can dissect every aspect of
Chainsaw type and chainsaw usage,
Chainsaw competitions,
Chainsaw accuracy...
which Chain types are best for the saws...
which Chainsaws are best for which type of circumstances and trees
ideal bar lengths for specific applications
PPC chainsaws (practical pruning combat) and competition
The best type of CQB room-clearing chainsaws
Laser sighting for chainsaws
How different historical battle outcomes would have occurred if the armies had been equipped with chainsaws
Secret development of laser pulse-beam chainsaws by DARPA currently being tested at Aberdeen
have I missed anything?
why yes friend..........
Dont forget chainsaw usage as a lip gloss applicator.
I am a girl.........what else would you expect from me? [laugh]
Quote from: RAT900 on July 26, 2010, 08:40:49 PM
I think we need to have a Chainsaw thread ....a special place where we can dissect every aspect of
Chainsaw type and chainsaw usage,
Chainsaw competitions,
Chainsaw accuracy...
which Chain types are best for the saws...
which Chainsaws are best for which type of circumstances and trees
ideal bar lengths for specific applications
PPC chainsaws (practical pruning combat) and competition
The best type of CQB room-clearing chainsaws
Laser sighting for chainsaws
How different historical battle outcomes would have occurred if the armies had been equipped with chainsaws
Secret development of laser pulse-beam chainsaws by DARPA currently being tested at Aberdeen
have I missed anything?
You forget the part where we explain to non chainsaw owners how they need one in case a tree ever falls on the house.
excellent point...preparedness in the event of the deadly menace of intruder trees cannot be overlooked !!
also should a chainsaw be kept in the house fully gassed and oiled, especially if children are around
How could you forget chainsaw use as pertaining to zombie attack??
Quote from: Speedbag on July 27, 2010, 02:28:42 AM
How could you forget chainsaw use as pertaining to zombie attack??
good one...also
Is bar oil necessary when using a chainsaw against humans or other deadly wild game?
In a SHTF scenario what chainsaw would you choose?
Gas vs. Electric powered chainsaws
Cast vs. forged and machined engine casings?
Compression ratios for optimal performance
Gas or electric pole-saws for perimeter defense?
Tactical slings and load-bearing carry gear for chainsaws
You guys missed the point
here you go Sac, I found a good one for you..
(http://i30.tinypic.com/30ixquf.jpg)
Quote from: badgalbetty on July 26, 2010, 09:09:41 PM
why yes friend..........
Dont forget chainsaw usage as a lip gloss applicator.
I am a girl.........what else would you expect from me? [laugh]
double jointed in every joint, full body muscle control, no gag reflex..
Shall I go on??
>oink oink<
Quote from: MrIncredible on July 26, 2010, 02:22:54 PM
Not all of us are afraid of their sister in law.
you should see her, she could lick the chrome off a bumper
Quote from: ducatiz on July 27, 2010, 03:55:06 AM
you should see her, she could lick the chrome off a bumper
corrosive saliva?
I have a pair of Husqvarna's - a 357XP and a 365 - both with 20" bars - I run .375" X .50 72 link semi chisel tooth chain and dino chain oil. Slings and carrying equipment just get tangled up in CQB. I also run Husqvarna chaps and combo helmet,faceguard and ear protectors - remember ATGATT (Husqvarna is the Ducati of the Chainsaw world)
I process about 14 full cords of firewood a year for my place and my folks. I have a wood gassification system with a 1000 gallon heat storage unit - so I am totally justified to have that much firepower at my disposal.
In the event that I run out of fuel, I have a great supply of axes, and a large collection of crosscut saws. (which when I set them up cut amazingly well)
ZOMBIES? - BRING EM!!!!
(http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz306/LooseCannon_10/Logging14.jpg)
I used to be scared of my mother in law.......when I used to go visit I would wear a necklace of garlic and had silver crosses on chains, in my pockets ,attached to clothing , 17 bibles in the car for emergency use and..........3 paid on full retainer Bishops that were experts in exorcism. My mother in law's head use to spin thru 360 while vomiting some green stuff.........it was later identified as chain bar oil mixed with Stihl 2 stoke oil and Jagermeister!
Quote from: badgalbetty on July 27, 2010, 04:38:26 AM
I used to be scared of my mother in law.......when I used to go visit I would wear a necklace of garlic and had silver crosses on chains, in my pockets ,attached to clothing , 17 bibles in the car for emergency use and..........3 paid on full retainer Bishops that were experts in exorcism. My mother in law's head use to spin thru 360 while vomiting some green stuff.........it was later identified as chain bar oil mixed with Stihl 2 stoke oil and Jagermeister!
that... doesn't sound tasty
oh and as far as guns go, I have no use for them.Having had a rather nasty experience with one in my mouth in Iran in 1983 I really don't need to be around them ever again.......but happy that you guys are happy with them. I prefer to spend my Saturdays at the nail salon and shopping for cute clothes rather than ammo or a new trigger lock.
Which reminds me.......If you have minors in the house please lock everything up and use trigger locks. Too many kids are accidently killed every year because they found a way to access something they should NEVER get to.
Thanks!
BGB.
Quote from: lethe on July 27, 2010, 04:39:49 AM
that... doesn't sound tasty
you never met her! [laugh] wish I hadn't!
Quote from: badgalbetty on July 27, 2010, 04:44:07 AM
oh and as far as guns go, I have no use for them.Having had a rather nasty experience with one in my mouth in Iran in 1983 I really don't need to be around them ever again.......but happy that you guys are happy with them. I prefer to spend my Saturdays at the nail salon and shopping for cute clothes rather than ammo or a new trigger lock.
Which reminds me.......If you have minors in the house please lock everything up and use trigger locks. Too many kids are accidently killed every year because they found a way to access something they should NEVER get to.
Thanks!
BGB.
American guns taste better than Iranian ones. Better cleaning and maintenance intervals.
Quote from: WarrenJ on July 27, 2010, 04:00:37 AM
I have a pair of Husqvarna's - a 357XP and a 365 - both with 20" bars - I run .375" X .50 72 link semi chisel tooth chain and dino chain oil. Slings and carrying equipment just get tangled up in CQB. I also run Husqvarna chaps and combo helmet,faceguard and ear protectors - remember ATGATT (Husqvarna is the Ducati of the Chainsaw world)
I process about 14 full cords of firewood a year for my place and my folks. I have a wood gassification system with a 1000 gallon heat storage unit - so I am totally justified to have that much firepower at my disposal.
In the event that I run out of fuel, I have a great supply of axes, and a large collection of crosscut saws. (which when I set them up cut amazingly well)
ZOMBIES? - BRING EM!!!!
(http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz306/LooseCannon_10/Logging14.jpg)
Now
THIS is the shit!!!!!!!...the man is prepared
That crosscut is actually pretty amazing. It is crescent ground, meaning that the steel tapers - thicker at the teeth and thinner at the back of the saw. This allows the teeth to have very little set and still not bind in the cut. Two motivated people can blow through a 12" red oak log in less than 30 seconds.
Quote from: badgalbetty on July 27, 2010, 04:44:07 AM
Which reminds me.......If you have minors in the house please lock everything up and use trigger locks.
Definitely not the trigger locks that are required to come with the gun.
Some are nice, some are make the beast with two backsing junk.
I think I broke my Glock one off with my hand once to see if it could be done.
I believe lots on here with kids have gun safes for their large guns and a quick finger print one for a handgun located near their bed.
Quote from: ducatiz on July 27, 2010, 04:46:30 AM
American guns taste better than Iranian ones. Better cleaning and maintenance intervals.
Aren't they all Russian crap anyway?
Quote from: WarrenJ on July 27, 2010, 05:44:32 AM
That crosscut is actually pretty amazing. It is crescent ground, meaning that the steel tapers - thicker at the teeth and thinner at the back of the saw. This allows the teeth to have very little set and still not bind in the cut. Two motivated BIGASS people can blow through a 12" red oak log in less than 30 seconds.
fixed
Quote from: RAT900 on July 27, 2010, 02:58:31 AM
good one...also
Is bar oil necessary when using a chainsaw against humans or other deadly wild game?
<snip>
No...
nor for halving a pig. [thumbsup]
I usually use a sawzall with a long wood blade for hogs.
They make special mods to saws here for cutting holes in the ice for sturgeon spearing. They use a greasegun mounted to the side to pump the clutch bearing area full of grease to displace the water after the cut. They sell more 42" bars here for cutting ice than trees.
Quote from: WarrenJ on July 27, 2010, 06:12:35 PM
I usually use a sawzall with a long wood blade for hogs.
They make special mods to saws here for cutting holes in the ice for sturgeon spearing. They use a greasegun mounted to the side to pump the clutch bearing area full of grease to displace the water after the cut. They sell more 42" bars here for cutting ice than trees.
True,
But a chainsaw works if the sawzall blade is rusty, or there's no power. :P
I am sure people have, but wanted to check.....
Anyone dropped the trigger pull on a Glock?
I believe my glock 19 stands at 6.5lbs and would like to drop it lower.
Are there several weight options out there or only one?
Easy install or a gunsmithing job?
Pretty sure there are several options out there for glock triggers. The job just consists of changing the trigger bar. I bought one for my ruger sr9 from Ghost Inc. They make several different versions for glocks.
Quote from: Snake on July 28, 2010, 08:23:38 AM
Pretty sure there are several options out there for glock triggers. The job just consists of changing the trigger bar. I bought one for my ruger sr9 from Ghost Inc. They make several different versions for glocks.
what exactly is the advantage of dropping the weight?
Shorter pull of the trigger or just a lighter pull?
or a combination?
I've never fired a gun that has had trigger work done, but a lot seem to do it, so inquiring as to the main advantages verse disadvantages.
(note: I don't have trouble pulling the trigger due to weight)
One of the major reasons to leave the Glock trigger stock, is, if it is your social gun and you have to use it for self defense, prosecutors use that modification to try to sell juries that you modified the gun to be more lethal or that you purposely defeated the "safety" of the firearm to demonstrate to the jury that you are not a good guy.
If the gun is for fun or competition only, there are a number of options for trigger pull modification on the Glocks.
Quote from: WarrenJ on July 28, 2010, 09:45:05 AM
One of the major reasons to leave the Glock trigger stock, is, if it is your social gun and you have to use it for self defense, prosecutors use that modification to try to sell juries that you modified the gun to be more lethal or that you purposely defeated the "safety" of the firearm to demonstrate to the jury that you are not a good guy.
If the gun is for fun or competition only, there are a number of options for trigger pull modification on the Glocks.
Does that include a drop in full auto sear?
[evil]
I'v had the opportunity to shoot a Glock 18, 3 shot burst gun. Pretty darn fun!
Quote from: WarrenJ on July 28, 2010, 09:45:05 AM
One of the major reasons to leave the Glock trigger stock, is, if it is your social gun and you have to use it for self defense, prosecutors use that modification to try to sell juries that you modified the gun to be more lethal or that you purposely defeated the "safety" of the firearm to demonstrate to the jury that you are not a good guy.
any case citation to get this one out of the urban legend in the gun community please. Otherwise just some law student's 'what if' academic hypothetical. If you're justified in lethal force criminally, the argument stops there.
I just did the trigger on my XDm with a kit from powder river precision. The pull is about 3lbs now and there is less pre-travel and almost no overtravel. The whole point of dropping the pull weight is so you have less opportunity to move the gun while pulling the trigger. You would be amazed at how much my groups tightened up after changing the trigger on both guns.
Quote from: Statler on July 28, 2010, 09:56:32 AM
any case citation to get this one out of the urban legend in the gun community please. Otherwise just some law student's 'what if' academic hypothetical. If you're justified in lethal force criminally, the argument stops there.
I agree with you in general but any lever you can take from a prosecutor is a good thing. This was stressed in our LFI-1 course with Massad Ayoob, who has went through a great many courtroom defenses on these issues as an expert witness.
Local attorneys and law enforcement that attend the class confirmed a definite bias against "tricked out" weapons being used in self defense. If you were completely in the right, had good witnesses, conducted yourself properly before, during and after the confrontation, have good representation, a fair prosecutor and intelligent jury, a modified gun is certainly not a show stopper.
I have many highly modified guns for competition, etc but my social guns are bone stock or close to it. You are certainly free to use whatever you want, but I will keep mine stock. No sense making an incredibly traumatic post shooting situation any harder than it has to be for little or no gain.
Quote from: Statler on July 28, 2010, 09:56:32 AM
any case citation to get this one out of the urban legend in the gun community please. Otherwise just some law student's 'what if' academic hypothetical. If you're justified in lethal force criminally, the argument stops there.
I was wondering that.
If someone breaks into my residence with a firearm and I put them down, I was legally justified due to the castle doctrine (at least that is what the lawyer in the CCW class said. I could very well be wrong). Therefore, I wouldn't even have to go to court.......if the DA determined it was justified self defense.
therefore, why would it matter if I dropped the trigger pull weight?
God, if that is the case with trigger pull weight and I mow down an intruder with Saiga.........I'd really be make the beast with two backsed.
Quote from: WarrenJ on July 28, 2010, 09:45:05 AM
One of the major reasons to leave the Glock trigger stock, is, if it is your social gun and you have to use it for self defense, prosecutors use that modification to try to sell juries that you modified the gun to be more lethal or that you purposely defeated the "safety" of the firearm to demonstrate to the jury that you are not a good guy.
If the gun is for fun or competition only, there are a number of options for trigger pull modification on the Glocks.
Glock 19 is one of my carry guns. The others are a Kahr CW9 and a USP-45 Compact. Also have 2 small .32's, but have yet to carry those as I have not shot them enough to feel comfortable carrying one or the other.
Quote from: Snake on July 28, 2010, 10:18:16 AM
I just did the trigger on my XDm with a kit from powder river precision. The pull is about 3lbs now and there is less pre-travel and almost no overtravel. The whole point of dropping the pull weight is so you have less opportunity to move the gun while pulling the trigger. You would be amazed at how much my groups tightened up after changing the trigger on both guns.
that's the answer I was looking for.
I don't like the groups on my Glock 19. Sure, I keep them all center mass, but the group isn't as tight as some of my other guns and I don't particular like it.
I talked to Kopjager quite a bit through PM about my inability to shoot Glocks and he diagnosed me with a bad pull, so I took his advice and started to actually get some better grouping out of it and not spray them all high left.
Quote from: Statler on July 28, 2010, 09:56:32 AM
any case citation to get this one out of the urban legend in the gun community please. Otherwise just some law student's 'what if' academic hypothetical. If you're justified in lethal force criminally, the argument stops there.
i track prosecutions for this stuff, and to my knowledge it's not been used.
changing a trigger weight is subtle. unless the investigators know to look for it, they won't care what the trigger weight is. simple as that. if the firearm was set up as a booby-trap, they might disassemble it OR if the firearms was suspected of being an illegally converted machine gun, but in the 10 years of cases I've looked at, never once.
the #1 thing homeowner's are gotten on is "lying in wait." even in Maryland, which is a "retreat first" state, prosecutions against homeowners who shoot an intruder (where there is some evidence of lethal intent ) are extremely rare.
Anything on the civil side, 'tiz?
Quote from: ducatiz on July 28, 2010, 11:40:46 AM
i track prosecutions for this stuff, and to my knowledge it's not been used.
changing a trigger weight is subtle. unless the investigators know to look for it, they won't care what the trigger weight is. simple as that. if the firearm was set up as a booby-trap, they might disassemble it OR if the firearms was suspected of being an illegally converted machine gun, but in the 10 years of cases I've looked at, never once.
the #1 thing homeowner's are gotten on is "lying in wait." even in Maryland, which is a "retreat first" state, prosecutions against homeowners who shoot an intruder (where there is some evidence of lethal intent ) are extremely rare.
Whatever happened to that kid who hacked up the robber with the medieval sword?
Quote from: Statler on July 28, 2010, 11:43:25 AM
Anything on the civil side, 'tiz?
If Castle Doctrine is in place, wouldn't that protect the homeowner if you are within your "4 walls of living" space?
for us non law guys can someone sum up "lying in wait" and "retreat first state?"
edit- never mind. . .reading wiki now
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 28, 2010, 10:57:18 AM
If someone breaks into my residence with a firearm and I put them down, I was legally justified due to the castle doctrine (at least that is what the lawyer in the CCW class said. I could very well be wrong). Therefore, I wouldn't even have to go to court.......if the DA determined it was justified self defense.
In Ohio this may be the case. It certainly isn't true everywhere.
Wikipedia has breakdown of which states have what sort of Castle laws here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine).
Also, Wikipedia's list is a couple years old. No guarantee things haven't changed, so you may want to check the local laws.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 28, 2010, 08:03:04 AM
I am sure people have, but wanted to check.....
Anyone dropped the trigger pull on a Glock?
I believe my glock 19 stands at 6.5lbs and would like to drop it lower.
Are there several weight options out there or only one?
Easy install or a gunsmithing job?
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 28, 2010, 08:30:31 AM
what exactly is the advantage of dropping the weight?
Shorter pull of the trigger or just a lighter pull?
or a combination?
I've never fired a gun that has had trigger work done, but a lot seem to do it, so inquiring as to the main advantages verse disadvantages.
(note: I don't have trouble pulling the trigger due to weight)
Wait a sec, you wanted to do a mod to your weapon even though you didn't have a clear idea what the end result would be?
Quote from: Monsterlover on July 28, 2010, 11:46:37 AM
for us non law guys can someone sum up "lying in wait" and "retreat first state?"
In Ohio, "retreat first" means that if you have the opportunity to avoid lethal force and "retreat" or "move to a safe area" that is your option.
for example, someone comes up to your car, with your window down and pulls a knife and demands your money.
do you draw and shoot them?
or
do you drive away?
It also applies to simply drawing your weapon as when you do that, lethal force has been introduced.
So if I see someone breaking into my car with a hammer outside my house and I confront them, and they turn to me......
I could run back inside and lock my door
or
do I shoot them?
roll the dice.
I am sure Izaak and Chris will be able to provide you a more thorough answer since I am not an attorney, that is just what my notes say from my class during the legal portion.
Quote from: zarn02 on July 28, 2010, 11:50:16 AM
In Ohio this may be the case. It certainly isn't true everywhere.
That is how it was legally defined to me
Quote from: DRKWNG on July 28, 2010, 11:57:02 AM
Wait a sec, you wanted to do a mod to your weapon even though you didn't have a clear idea what the end result would be?
I had an assumption of what it would do. That is why I asked the question.
Monsterlover and Zarn
http://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/getattachment/6cbc82c0-21e6-4db1-b6e0-545e3970ee03/2009-Concealed-Carry-Laws-Booklet.aspx (http://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/getattachment/6cbc82c0-21e6-4db1-b6e0-545e3970ee03/2009-Concealed-Carry-Laws-Booklet.aspx)
Start on page 26 if you have any interest in the Three Conditions in Ohio, definition of retreat and Ohio's Castle Doctrine.
Posted purely for info to back my posting above. In no way, shape, or form was it meant to be political.
My Glock 34 and 35 have factory 3-3.5lb triggers and are very nice indeed... at least for a trigger pull on a Glock. But I don't think I would do a trigger bar swap on my 19 as a carry gun. I'm fine with it as is. That being said I am a 1911 guy at heart and many of mine have had some aftermarket gunsmithing work or came straight from Les Baer or Wilson with "light" triggers. Still, I wouldn't hesitate to use one in self defense and certainly wouldn't be concerned about what some Asst. DA would try to do to me in court. I just tend to use the cheap stock Glock 19 more... for carry use that is.
Quote from: Statler on July 28, 2010, 11:43:25 AM
Anything on the civil side, 'tiz?
Far more difficult to search that, Shepherd's only tracks statutory and case cite.
The same sort of problems exist for a civil suit, though, even more so. Given that the P's attorney would have to somehow have access to the firearm, pay an expert to examine it, etc.
If someone subpoenaed a firearm for evidence, I would be very surprised if it didn't show up pristine and just as it came from the factory.
Aside from the legal merits or issues of lightening a trigger for self defense, when you are in the middle of an adrenalin dump,tunnel vision, and chaos, your fine motor control skills go away. Having a gun go off at an inopportune time is not a good thing, especially while holding someone at gunpoint. That takes you from a justified shooting to being charged with manslaughter or worse. Even shooting a stressful IPSC match or high dollar pin shoot can cause you get a little aggressive on the trigger and cause an oops. I know its happened to me at matches a time or two - with some of my slicked up 1911's. I had Jimmy Clark build my wife a 9mm Commander and the trigger is exquisite, but too lite for social work. I set up another Commander frame with a standard trigger for carry for her.
I am a big fan of excellent, light triggers on most of my competition guns, (My smallbore rifle is around 2.5 oz) but social stuff should be a little heavier IMHO.
Really good point. Well said WarrenJ.
I love my groovy high speed low drag 1911s for sure and would be happy to use them as carry guns (and I have done that many times) but the cheap reliable stock G-19 will "get er dun" just fine. Remember, if use a firearm in self defense you will loose it for a while to the police first then the DA's office if charges are filed. You will only get it back if charges are dropped, you are no-billed/not indicted by a Grand Jury or found not guilty in a trial before a Judge or jury. And you have to go through a nice hassle to get it back. Oh, you'll get it. They'll just make it some what difficult.
My theory is to have two of whatever it is a use for self defense. You get into an altercation and have your weapon seized then you always have it's twin to use in the interim. That's my "excuse" for having extra guns and my wife believes it!! [laugh]
even more than that, fastwin, I'd expect to be arrested, jailed, potentially fight a criminal charge, definitely fight a civil suit later, go broke on legal defense, need counseling and therapy, have marital problems....
but be alive.
last resort.
Quote from: Statler on July 28, 2010, 03:12:36 PM
even more than that, fastwin, I'd expect to be arrested, jailed, potentially fight a criminal charge, definitely fight a civil suit later, go broke on legal defense, need counseling and therapy, have marital problems....
but be alive.
last resort.
You forgot to mention the need to hire a high-rolling attorney. One who happens to think that froo-froo white is actually fast. ;)
the only rolling I do is into gravel traps.
^
bad place to look for clients ;)
Quote from: Monsterlover on July 28, 2010, 03:46:32 PM
^
bad place to look for clients ;)
best place to chase an ambulance is from inside
[laugh]
Quote from: Statler on July 28, 2010, 03:30:34 PM
the only rolling I do is into gravel traps.
Better than a lowside, right?
(note: I am too much of a wimp to track my bike(s))
Question for the lawyers:
Obviously state law differs and not asking for legal advice as I wouldn't open carry because I don't have the training to protect my weapon in a confrontation.
I can conceal carry a gun with my permit. Open carry does not fall under this and is legal without a permit.
But yet.......open carry is not advisable as you can be arrested/ticketed for this under certain laws as "insighting panic" etc.
Is that common in most states or is Ohio backwards?
the NRA has pretty good info on different states. Anyone here would just be copying info from there so it's a good place to start looking at differences.
Years ago I got stopped by a New Mexico State Trooper for speeding on a small two lane road heading to my family's cabin outside Cimarron, NM. I had an IPSC sticker on the rear window of my Suburban and actually had an IPSC t-shirt on at the time. I noticed the trooper had a cocked and locked 1911 as his sidearm and said to him that I didn't think many law enforcement agencies allowed that due to liability issues (ie: lack of single action auto training).
He saw the IPSC sticker and t-shirt and asked if I had competed in the recent IPSC Regional event at the NRA Whittington Center in nearby Raton, NM. I hadn't but knew about it. We shot the shit for awhile about shooting and I asked him about the carry license situation in NM. It was new in TX at the time and I wasn't sure about NM. In fact I hid my carry gun, unloaded in the back of my car out of concern. That's when he told me about the NM open carry law and that NM considers your vehicle part of your "home" and allows you to carry concealed in your vehicle. I think since then they have passed a comprehensive carry bill. First time I have ever been in a state with open carry. He said it was law but rarely no one did it. I certainly wasn't going to test the waters!
Long story short... yeah I got the damn ticket! I was sure he would let me go after the bonding gun talk but his damn rookie training officer got out of their car and walked up probably wondering why we were talking so long. Out came the ticket book to make her happy!! [bang] Bingo, big buck speeding ticket when I was sure I was on easy street with this trooper!! Oh well...
Quote from: WarrenJ on July 28, 2010, 01:18:23 PM
Aside from the legal merits or issues of lightening a trigger for self defense, when you are in the middle of an adrenalin dump,tunnel vision, and chaos, your fine motor control skills go away. Having a gun go off at an inopportune time is not a good thing, especially while holding someone at gunpoint. That takes you from a justified shooting to being charged with manslaughter or worse. Even shooting a stressful IPSC match or high dollar pin shoot can cause you get a little aggressive on the trigger and cause an oops. I know its happened to me at matches a time or two - with some of my slicked up 1911's. I had Jimmy Clark build my wife a 9mm Commander and the trigger is exquisite, but too lite for social work. I set up another Commander frame with a standard trigger for carry for her.
I am a big fan of excellent, light triggers on most of my competition guns, (My smallbore rifle is around 2.5 oz) but social stuff should be a little heavier IMHO.
Ah, there is NOTHING like a true single action trigger. I have been wanting to build a 1911 in 38 super for years now, but they are just so damn expensive. Any chance you could post some pics of the rifle you use for smallbore?
Quote from: Statler on July 28, 2010, 03:30:34 PM
the only rolling I do is into gravel traps.
Quote from: Monsterlover on July 28, 2010, 03:46:32 PM
^
bad place to look for clients ;)
He found me....
of course I stiffed him on the fee. ;)
Quote from: Snake on July 29, 2010, 01:51:20 AM
Ah, there is NOTHING like a true single action trigger. I have been wanting to build a 1911 in 38 super for years now, but they are just so damn expensive. Any chance you could post some pics of the rifle you use for smallbore?
Its on page 6 of the "Show us your Guns" thread
Feinwerkbau 2600
I just sold my Walther GX-1 :'(
Just got off the phone with my brother, he is in GA training to work for a division of homeland security.
He just qualified expert with a Sig 229 40 DAK.
Lucky make the beast with two backser gets to shoot all the time.
I still find it interesting their duty weapon is a single action only firearm.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 30, 2010, 07:08:04 AM
I still find it interesting their duty weapon is a single action only firearm.
Is the weapon that he just qualled expert with going to be his duty weapon? If so, it's double action only.
Why would it matter?
Quote from: DRKWNG on July 30, 2010, 07:31:27 AM
Is the weapon that he just qualled expert with going to be his duty weapon? If so, it's double action only.
Yeah yeah, sorry, typo.
double action only.
It's actually interesting. That is the divisions duty weapon they use, however, it seems the local office head where you are based out of can actually allow you to carry a different firearm as your main weapon (not back up), but of course you have to buy it with your own money (and of course your back-up comes out of your own pocket too). One of them is a Glock 22, can't recall the others.
Quote from: Monsterlover on July 30, 2010, 07:37:20 AM
Why would it matter?
Double-Action only fire-arms always put the hammer back in a "down" position.
Therefore, you always have a long trigger pull.
If you had a single/double action, after each round is fired, the hammer stays back, shortening the trigger pull.
I guess the "why would it matter" is the length of the trigger pull.
Shortened trigger pull answer is correct. On a standard double action semi auto (not double action only) the first round is fired with a long double action trigger pull and each subsequent round fired would be in "single action" trigger pull. The hammer would already be back in locked position awaiting the pull of the shorter "single action" trigger. Firing a standard double action semi auto pistol requires you to master two different trigger pulls every time you present the weapon. Double action only means you have the same "longer" trigger pull with each and every shot fired. No transition between the two different trigger pulls. Both trigger styles dictate their own specific method/technique. Is one better than the other? Not really, just different. Same goes for single action/1911/P-35 style handguns. What ever spins your prop. [thumbsup]
A little bit old but:
In another dramatic victory for firearm owners, the Supreme Court has ruled unconstitutional Chicago, Illinois' 28-year-old strict ban on handgun ownership, a potentially far-reaching case over the ability of state and local governments to enforce limits on weapons.
A conservative majority of justices on Monday reiterated its two-year-old conclusion the Constitution gives individuals equal or greater power than states on the issue of possession of certain firearms for self-protection.
The court, however, said local jurisdictions still retain the flexibility to preserve some "reasonable" gun control measures currently in place nationwide.
[thumbsup]
Careful now...
Not the P word......just pure plain fact.
Quote from: rgramjet on July 30, 2010, 10:59:25 AM
Not the P word......just pure plain fact.
SHHH!!! You almost said it!
I have a lot of friends that live in Chicago and they are in a huge panic over it.
I am not exactly sure why.
The criminals still have guns.
Law abiding citizens still had/have their long-guns (if you have your state firearms license and register it with the closest local police precinct).
You still can't conceal carry anywhere in the state or open carry.
So what has changed?
You break into a house now and instead of getting whacked with some nice 00 Buck, you get a few 9mm hollow points?
No "P" word here or intended. I have just always had concerns with the word "reasonable" and government being used in the same sentence. Regardless of the issue. Just saying... over and out. ;D
I am not even sure an attorney/lawyer can define what "reasonable" is when it comes to a law.
Such a subjective word.
Vague, subjective wording lends itself nicely to broad interpretation and "mission creep." This is why it is preferred. [coffee]
Quote from: zarn02 on July 30, 2010, 12:23:53 PM
Vague, subjective wording lends itself nicely to broad interpretation and "mission creep." This is why it is preferred. [coffee]
Exactly.
God forbid something be straightforward
There is a plethora of cases explaining what "reasonable" is.
Quote from: ducatiz on July 30, 2010, 01:28:22 PM
There is a plethora of cases explaining what "reasonable" is.
Well yeah, I understand that, but then the next jury can decide a different interpretation of what reasonable is.
correct?
I also imagine "reasonable" in regards to law of any kind varies state by state by case law.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 30, 2010, 04:07:05 PM
Well yeah, I understand that, but then the next jury can decide a different interpretation of what reasonable is.
correct?
no.
Quote
I also imagine "reasonable" in regards to law of any kind varies state by state by case law.
not much. it is a primary legal concept in american law.
the definition doesn't vary but hte application does depending on the subject matter.
You guys are dancing on the edge of gun law discussion.
Why not get off that and back on whatever topic this is about?
I finally found a gun range in the area where it is 25$ a year for unlimited shooting.
Outdoor too.
No more paying 15$ for an indoor lane and then after shooting for 45mins, they ask you to leave because they have formed a que.
I think I'm going to take out all the guns today, even might drop some coin on some .308 and shoot the M1A Scout.
Taking DP's wishes and moving my topic.
the picture is deceiving on the website.
one has 3 digit combo, other has 4.
I ordered the large.........so maybe it has 4?
a 3 digit combo has 1000 possibilities.
a 4 digit has 10,000 possibilities.
Are you talking about a gun safe? Oops, never mind, I just your post on the gun pic thread. ;D
Quote from: rc51 on September 16, 2010, 11:40:39 AM
Are you talking about a gun safe? Oops, never mind, I just your post on the gun pic thread. ;D
I forgot that was a picture only thread and gun discussions related to pictures and not gun discussion in general from photos to whatever.
Yeah, it is an in-car gun safe that you can either bolt down or use a very thick cable to secure it to your seat.
I went with the first one featured:
http://www.center-of-mass.com/Store_InCarGunSafe.htm (http://www.center-of-mass.com/Store_InCarGunSafe.htm)
The one on the right looks to have 3 numbers and the one on the left has 4 or more numbers.
I picked up the 2 combo pack, one for my car and one for my wife's.
Not a bad idea. [thumbsup] Nothing worse than having a gun stolen. [bang]
Quote from: rc51 on September 16, 2010, 02:46:33 PM
Not a bad idea. [thumbsup] Nothing worse than having a gun stolen. [bang]
Dude, I flip if I had one stolen, especially out of my vehicle based on the pure fact I couldn't care my weapon into a location that is illegal (yes, I understand schools, federal buildings, hospitals, etc etc).
I had to take out additional insurance on my condo (condo insurance is more like "renters insurance" as you own the drywall in and nothing else. Anyway, I had a rider that covered what I thought my content insurance was until the cool gal at my local state farm office and I started talking guns and it came out that out of my xx,xxx policy I own, only 2,000k of that is guns!!!! Needless to say, owning xx firearms well exceeds that. I added more dollars to my rider, but I still think I am underinsured on guns.)
ah hell, one more thing to deal with.
http://www.center-of-mass.com/Store_InCarGunSafe.htm (http://www.center-of-mass.com/Store_InCarGunSafe.htm)
Just got them in the mail today. Super fast shipping. I think I ordered them on Wednesday or Thursday. They came priority mail from the manufacturer in Minnesota, so not too far from Ohio, but nonetheless, give the owner credit for his fast shipping.
Well built product for what it is and the price. It is a 3 number combination locking system, 1000 possible combinations, so not sure I am too considered with the security aspect. It locks to your car via a very thick braided cable, but I think any bolt clippers could cut it, but it will deter the average thief from snatching it. It is secured inside the "safe" by one part of the cable and is wrapped around my drivers side seat mount. The metal is rather thin and not sure of how easy it would be to pry open, but still think it is more secure than a glove box which can be opened by jamming a screw driver in there and turning, snapping the locking mechanism. Not a long-term storage option, just one for when I go into a location where firearms are not permitted, I can lock my gun safely.
Other major downside which is a bit of a disappointment is I can't fit my conceal holster and gun in it. I now just have to get in the habit of removing my firearm, locking it in the safe and putting the holster and extra mag(s) in the glovebox locked up. I'd rather have a 35$ holster and a few mags stolen then my gun.
Also, the size fits both my wife and my guns, so that was a huge plus and it fits very well in both are vehicles; more so mine then hers as mine is much more accessible when having to remove and store it. I haven't fitted one in the Jetta yet, but will suspect it will have to be secured to the seat post as well and either kept on the floor behind the drivers seat underneath it or in the seat back.
Here is the set up in my vehicle and our 4 primary carry arms.
In plain view without the center console extended, which it usually is not. I have secured it down with 3M double stick tape just so it doesn't slide around, but fits nicely in the spot provided:
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/jshoward11/Locked1.jpg)
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/jshoward11/Locked2.jpg)
Typical set up of my vehicle with the console slid out, concealing the safe:
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/jshoward11/StandardCar.jpg)
Kahr CW9 fitted:
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/jshoward11/KarhCW9.jpg)
Kahr CW9 and Keltec 32 fitted:
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/jshoward11/KarhCW9andKeltec32.jpg)
Glock 19 (mine) fitted:
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/jshoward11/Glock17.jpg)
Glock 21 (wife's) fitted:
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/jshoward11/Glock21.jpg)
I recommend this product to anyone looking for an inexpensive safer way to store their firearm in their car for short periods of time when guns are not permitted where you are going by law.
Funny, those Glocks look an aweful lot like a Kahr and a Keltec.
Quote from: Rameses on September 18, 2010, 08:37:52 PM
Funny, those Glocks look an aweful lot like a Kahr and a Keltec.
Those didn't post right from photobucket..................?
Apparently my right "control" button is not working right.
Nice!! [evil]
BTW..riding the Monster today. Chopper pulls up next to me with rider brandishing a handgun.
I think I need a 1911!! ;)
Quote from: IZ on September 18, 2010, 09:10:03 PM
I think I need a 1911!! ;)
'Tis the only way for an iz to go... ;D
Quote from: cyrus buelton on September 18, 2010, 06:55:51 PM
....snip....
I recommend this product to anyone looking for an inexpensive safer way to store their firearm in their car for short periods of time when guns are not permitted where you are going by law.
If one is worried about having guns stolen, why post to the world how and where they are kept? It's a detail nobody needs.
Quote from: Statler on September 19, 2010, 04:28:49 AM
If one is worried about having guns stolen, why post to the world how and where they are kept? It's a detail nobody needs.
I am not worried about it being stolen, it is protecting yourself against it getting stolen.
The gun never sits in my car 95% of the time, it is just for that 5% it has to.
I can't even drive to work with my gun as my company policy states no firearms on the property.......even though we lease office space.
If I go to a place I know I can't carry.......gun stays at home.
If I went into a gun owners house, I could find probably every gun within about 20 minutes; It's not that hard. Everyone puts them in the same spots.
I move mine weekly.
It's not like we even know what car you own or where you live in your hometown. I like the idea of a lock box for the carry piece in the car/truck. Came damn close to having mine stolen last year in an Academy Sporting Goods parking lot. It was mid-afternoon on a weekday and I went inside for maybe 5-10 minutes max. Probably more like 5 since they didn't have what I needed and I walked right back out. My truck was parked in the shade of a tree on the edge on their lot... it was a 105 degrees after all!
Driver's side passenger door window was smashed in (it's a crew cab pick up) and I saw the dash glove box was open. I ran to the passenger side and opened the front door. Nothing in the glove box but oil change receipts. Then it hit me. Oh shit, the Glock in the center console!! Opened it up and it was still there!! Whew... I have it wrapped in a bandanna so even if you opened the console and looked you wouldn't directly know you were looking at a pistol.
About that time a delivery truck driver walked up and asked if there was a problem. He had been sitting in the lot filling out paperwork and watched the car burglary go down. He thought the guys who pulled up in a Suburban and went to my truck owned it and were just getting in the truck. The sound of the factory alarm sent them running but one took the time to open the glove box to look for quick snatch goodies. Not enough time to get inside and open the center console box or look around. The truck driver couldn't get a license plate number and the store security video showed nothing. Their outdoor cameras all point at the entrance of the store not the lot.
The police detective who took my report by phone said that lot and the adjacent Home Depot lot are the hottest car theft and car burglary lots in my part of town. He had seven more reports on his desk from that lot over the weekend!
Ahhhh... wouldn't it be nice if Academy and Home Depot hired some lot security or maybe the local police put one of those tinted window/elevated watch towers in the lot??? Ya think???
Long winded story (as usual [bang]) but a good warning to folks that leave lap tops or guns in their cars. I rarely go back to that Academy but the couple of times I have gone back I carried my pistol in my waistband and when I go to the front doors of the store I will turn and stand there for several minutes and watch my truck to see if anyone approaches it. Nothing wrong with being paranoid if you have a good reason! Damn sure don't park the truck off by itself anymore no matter how hot it is! ;D
Quote from: rc51 on September 19, 2010, 08:27:51 AM
It's not like we even know what car you own or where you live in your hometown.
Most people know what town I live in. Most people know what vehicle I drive. Nobody knows where I live unless you did a look up on the web, but even then, I am not sure I come up.
however, the vehicle I drive are a dime a dozen around here.
That answer was too obvious to give statler.
Damn dude, your story is crazy about your Glock!!!!!
I just wish with my safe I didn't have to unholster it to throw it in there.
Quote from: Statler on September 19, 2010, 04:28:49 AM
If one is worried about having guns stolen, why post to the world how and where they are kept? It's a detail nobody needs.
Your post has been eating at me all day and after several members PM's to me, I feel a need to respond:
If you don't like my postings, then why do you respond? Do you like flirting with Rule 2.7? How does your wife feel about that? Being married and flirting really isn't a good idea. That's my piece of advice to you.
Also, another rules exists:
2.4. Members will not post people's personal information.
Therefore, if people know where I live, work, frequent, etc, that was posted on my own free will, not by anyone else.
I wrote up a nice review of an in-car gun safe that will mitigate the theft of a firearm.
Who cares about the pictures of where it sits?
People already know I have firearms, so if I am not in my car where I can't carry, just go to my glove box. Now, I have made it a bit more difficult to steal my gun if I am not carrying it in my vehicle.
I guess your Wilson Combat probably sits in your nightstand or in some safe. I don't care nor do I really care.
I believe you live in Maryland and if so..........hope you passed all the "rules to even get a permit. It is pretty difficult there, however, based on your occupation, I am sure it fell under one of their many exceptions.
Anyway.
I bought an in car gun safe.
I posted pictures of it to show actually the size of it in a vehicle verse website photos.
If you would please stop responding to my postings, that would be fantastic. You never have anything positive to say and other members have noticed this, just not my thread on your secret moderator forum where you can bash me.
Thanks,
Gun owning Cyrus Buelton who has a gun safe in his SUV.
Does every post have to be a make the beast with two backsing diatribe?
You want a link to the definition?
He doesn't like you
It's no secret......but he can get his point across in less than 50 words.
I'm feeling the same way lately because of your verbal diarrhea and you screaming look at me constantly with your posting.
Quit quoting the make the beast with two backsing rules...we can read...actually we wrote them...remember?
He doesn't have to stop...he's not breaking any rules.
Get over yourself dude.
It's just the internet. [roll]
Oh jesus, here we go again...
meant to be posted before Nate laid it down...
you know what?
I wrote a response to Nate's little admin response from Statler and really have no reason to post it as it is not worth it.
It wasn't breaking any rules, just not what this thread is about.
It gets tiresome being shit on for every make the beast with two backsing post I type. I am not the only one that notices it.
Just read my PM's Nate, I know you can because SMF Software allows that.
Quote from: Julie on September 19, 2010, 05:23:21 PM
Oh jesus, here we go again...
meant to be posted before Nate laid it down...
Got a gun question?
Damn folks, can't we just get along via Rodney King rules? We have a common love of scooters (Ducatis in particular) and doesn't that settle most issues? I'm the leading, rookie dumbass here but damn!! Guess I just need to go on a ride! Don't we all?
Quote from: cyrus buelton on September 19, 2010, 05:33:31 PM
you know what?
I wrote a response to Nate's little admin response from Statler and really have no reason to post it as it is not worth it.
It wasn't breaking any rules, just not what this thread is about.
It gets tiresome being shit on for every make the beast with two backsing post I type. I am not the only one that notices it.
Just read my PM's Nate, I know you can because SMF Software allows that.
Got a gun question?
I'm not petty enough to give a make the beast with two backs what smoke people blow up your ass Jud.
You want to talk about tiresome?
You've jacked another thread sufficiently to get it locked...which I'm not going to do...but more importantly...
pissed me off hard enough to earn your perma-ban...you are truly not worth the time.
Go visit Greg wherever he hangs these days.
I truly hope you'll be man enough to go away with as much dignity as he did contrary to your previous history.
I love watching a Dutch router in action!
Quote from: ducatiz on September 19, 2010, 05:57:42 PM
I love watching a Dutch router in action!
Doood, you shouldn't feel comfortable with yourself knowing some of these things...
Some things you just can't un-google
gun stuff.
also one of these:
FND BAR Testing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v68fBWTRu7A#normal)
What's the benefit to being able to adjust the rate of fire?
(http://www.frontierfirearms.ca/images/gbn.jpg)
My co-worker just bought one of these this past week. She wants to have the holes in the heat shield done in red.
Quote from: Monsterlover on September 19, 2010, 06:29:36 PM
What's the benefit to being able to adjust the rate of fire?
There're people here that definitely know better than I, but I'd guess it's to control how fast your ammo gets used up and how well you're able to aim.
Quote from: IZ on September 19, 2010, 07:23:04 PM
(http://www.frontierfirearms.ca/images/gbn.jpg)
My co-worker just bought one of these this past week. She wants to have the holes in the heat shield done in red.
Jesus, is that a door breach on the front? That thing has got to be nose heavy.
Quote from: psycledelic on September 19, 2010, 08:26:10 PM
Jesus, is that a door breach on the front? That thing has got to be nose heavy.
Appears to be a compensator.
Quote from: kopfjäger on September 19, 2010, 08:29:53 PM
Appears to be a compensator.
To each his own I guess. I prefer everything out of my shotgun barrel move in the same direction; away!
Quote from: Monsterlover on September 19, 2010, 06:29:36 PM
What's the benefit to being able to adjust the rate of fire?
Quote from: Rameses on September 19, 2010, 07:57:45 PM
There're people here that definitely know better than I, but I'd guess it's to control how fast your ammo gets used up and how well you're able to aim.
pretty much it
muzzle rise, adjust for firing position, tactical choice.
rate of fire has always been an issue. part of the choice to move to 3-rd burst on the M16 series was to reduce waste and maintain accuracy, not to mention a full auto for a single infantryman is not that useful most of the time, and squads have a man often equipped with a SAW for when that kind of fire is necessary.
the old-school machine guns often had small magazines by today's standards. the FND had a 20 rd mag and the BAR as well (30-06 is fairly long but the same diameter as 7.62/308) so you didn't have a huge reserve to draw from. these designs were trying to bridge the gap between a belt fed or gatling type mg and an infantry rifle.
an FND unloaded is about 9 lbs. they are heavy. same basic design as a BAR except it has a QC barrel and improvements in the design (i.e. rate of fire). plus, they are just pretty to me.
we had them for some training in israel, they were left over from '48 and '56. a big advantage of the FND was the ability to swap caliber among 7mm, 8mm, 30-06 and 308 with small changes to the mag and extractor. you could do it on the fly with 30-06 and 308. all the examples we had were 7.62/308 and used FAL mags.
(http://www.galatiinternational.com/frankmachinegunday/48-FNFNDflat.jpg)
Quote from: IZ on September 19, 2010, 07:23:04 PM
(http://www.frontierfirearms.ca/images/gbn.jpg)
My co-worker just bought one of these this past week. She wants to have the holes in the heat shield done in red.
I can't say that setup appeals to me. I love the mossbergs but that comp is too much. you are redirecting the blast to your sides which means lots of blowby on anyone near you.
I fired a Weatherby TRR in .30-378 that had a similar looking compensator. Felt like a 243, sounded like a .50. People at the range complained after the first shot.
Babies...
Damn, that shotgun comp looks like it came off a .50 cal Barrett... only bored out to .72 cal for 12 gauge! Don't need that, just get the barrel Vang Comped and ported! [thumbsup] All my Mossberg and Remington barrels are. Tight groups from the back boring and actually the barrel porting has been proven to reduce muzzle flash in the dark. ;D Plus it needs a real stock. Pistol grip scatterguns are for movie props and jacking up 7-11s. Trust me.
Sounds like you've put some time in jackin 7-11's?
;D
Quote from: rc51 on September 20, 2010, 05:50:27 AM
Plus it needs a real stock. Pistol grip scatterguns are for movie props and jacking up 7-11s. Trust me.
I sort of agree. PG shotguns are good for concealment, which is about the only purpose imho. With an 18" barrel, it defeats the purpose and with a 4-5" WIDE comp, it obliterates the purpose.
For instance, why would you put a rifle stock on this:
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/DML/101_0103.jpg)
Anything under 14" and it is silly to have a rifle stock.
And I assume you mean a pg only -- not a pg with stock. I have a Mossy 9200A1 "jungle gun" with a Choate Mark V and it is perfect.
why have a stock on that? So you can aim it. PG only shotguns are nearly useless. Short shotguns with a stock offer maneuverability in side buildings.
Quote from: avizpls on September 20, 2010, 07:43:20 AM
why have a stock on that? So you can aim it. PG only shotguns are nearly useless. Short shotguns with a stock offer maneuverability in side buildings.
my point was that a pistol grip only makes sense on a short barrel. a stocked short barrel has a purpose too, but a pg on a 18"+ barrel is kind of pointless imho. I know some PDs have this setup for their car shotgun, but most don't, preferring to use a 14" barrel SG with a rifle stock.
there are circumstances where aiming is not
primary (corrected myself). under 15-20 feet or so. a 12-14" cylinder choke barrel with buckshot has about a 12" spread -- like i said, the only issue for a pg shotgun is concealment tho, if you really want a shotgun that is.
To each their own, no one is 100% right or wrong here. Whatever works for you. I just like to aim at things and full stocks help in that. I have several Class III shotguns (14" barrels) and all have full stocks shortened to "youth" length in pull. No pistol grips only and no pistol grip full length stocks. Just "shorty" full stocks. I like that therefore that's what I have. When someone brought a pistol grip only stocked shotgun to my classes they didn't last long before they wanted to borrow one of my full stocked loaners.
I will agree that the pistol grip only is great for concealment. No one in those 7-11s ever saw it coming. Oops!! I didn't mean to say that!! [bang] [laugh]
On a serious note I will say a shotgun with a full length stock that has a pistol grip (especially if it's semi auto) has it's advantages for one handed/wounded shooter drills. Strong or weak side. I still like my set up on my scatterguns, just saying each stock type has it's advantages under certain situations. I like my stock set up because they are versatile in all conditions whether it's slugs at 100+ meters or shotshells at handshake distance. If something different rings your bell and works for you then cool. [thumbsup]
Do what I did and everyone can be happy. ATI collapsible stock with homemade pull pin that replaced the mounting pin for the butt stock. So now I can have a stock or pistol grip. Looking at both, I probably prefer the collapsed stock as opposed to a pistol grip. With a single point sling, mine is still manageable and a lot more stable when shooting. But as RC said, to each his own. In a pinch, I would grab my glock anyway. It is much more accessible in a hurry.
My Remington, Mossberg and Benellis have GG&G single point sling attachments and I like them. [thumbsup]
http://www.gggaz.com/index.php?cat=61&parents=60 (http://www.gggaz.com/index.php?cat=61&parents=60)
Quote from: rc51 on September 20, 2010, 06:09:42 PM
My Remington, Mossberg and Benellis have GG&G single point sling attachments and I like them. [thumbsup]
http://www.gggaz.com/index.php?cat=61&parents=60 (http://www.gggaz.com/index.php?cat=61&parents=60)
Yep, I have the ambidextrous GG&G on my "in the house" gun. Works great with the VTAC sling.
Any tips for the shotgun noob?
Looking for an all arounder to shoot/home defense.
MB 500 seems pretty popular
Quote from: psycledelic on September 20, 2010, 05:55:17 PM
Do what I did and everyone can be happy. ATI collapsible stock with homemade pull pin that replaced the mounting pin for the butt stock. So now I can have a stock or pistol grip. Looking at both, I probably prefer the collapsed stock as opposed to a pistol grip. With a single point sling, mine is still manageable and a lot more stable when shooting. But as RC said, to each his own. In a pinch, I would grab my glock anyway. It is much more accessible in a hurry.
I haven't found many of the ATI products to be good quality. I have an ATI stock on an SKS but the finish leaves a lot to be desired. The Choate stuff is far better IMHO as they are an OEM for several companies (I know Mossberg and Beretta, not sure about the others).
Quote from: Monsterlover on September 21, 2010, 03:01:20 AM
Any tips for the shotgun noob?
Looking for an all arounder to shoot/home defense.
MB 500 seems pretty popular
And for good reason. Two of my Class III scatterguns are Mossberg 590A1s (14" barrel) with factory ghost ring sights. I have no "true favorite", I like my Rem 870s and Police 1187s, the Mossbergs and the Benellis. The Mossbergs are very sturdy and reliable. My "loaners" in my classes were 18" 500s with g/s sights.
I like the fact that there is no spring loaded ramp or anything else in the way of the loading port. It is the fastest/easiest shotgun I have to reload. Shotguns are like revolvers. No sooner than you start shooting you are out of ammo. Many of the drills I ran in my courses had to do with reloading. Shoot one, load one. Shoot two, load two. Repeat. Repeat again. I'd run man on man shoot/load drills to add to the pressure to expose any problems. After a two day weekend class I think everyone walked away being able to reload as fast as they shot. Clint Smith (Thunder Ranch) has a "Rolling Thunder" drill that is an awesome tool for shooting/reloading skills. I ran it in my classes (giving full credit of course to Clint) and the students loved it. They often wanted to run it again at the end of the day. [thumbsup]
Just my two cents. ;D
Thanks.
What are your thoughts on pump vs semi auto?
I have both and like both. Again, no real single favorite. With pump action I like the Mossberg 500/590 line and Remington 870s are the Chevy small block V-8 of the shotgun world. [thumbsup] In autos I really like the Benelli M1 Super 90 and the Remington 1100/1187 line up. Are we talking home/self defense or hunting or both? My comments lean toward home defense.
If you want an affordable, reliable all around shotgun look at the Rem 870 pump. With one gun and two barrels you have everything. Slap on a 26" or 28" barrel with screw in chokes and bingo you have a great bird hunting scattergun. Get home, take off that barrel and slide in a 18" barrel (cylinder bore) with bead or rifle sight and you have a great home defense shotgun.
Picking the right shotgun is no easier than picking the right handgun or rifle. Lots and lots of good options. Ask 20 folks on this thread and you'll get 20 different answers. Decide what you want to do with it and then set your budget. More of my devalued two cents. ;D
Quote from: Monsterlover on September 21, 2010, 03:01:20 AM
Any tips for the shotgun noob?
Looking for an all arounder to shoot/home defense.
MB 500 seems pretty popular
The main difference in the 500 and 590 are the trigger group material and the tube length. 500 has a plastic trigger group body and the tube length is capped at 12", which means 4 2.75 shells max. The 590 has a metal trigger group (most do) and the tube mag can be extended to the length of the barrel with any one of several cap extensions. Functionally, they are identical otherwise.
I am partial to the mossy 590 or the Remington 870, mainly because they are so ridiculously common. Go to Gunbroker.com and search in the Shotgun accessories section and type "870" see how many listings come up. Then type mossberg 500 or 590 and see. Then try Ithaca 37 and see, and go on down the list.
I like having plenty of options. The Ithaca is a great design -- uses bottom eject instead of side eject, but there simply aren't as many options available for it. Likewise the other fine shotguns (i.e. High Standard, Winchester 1300).. THey are great guns, but not as many gun-nerds decided to make stuff for them.
That translates into cheaper maintenance, cheaper mods, and easier to fix when something breaks.
Quote from: Monsterlover on September 21, 2010, 04:31:16 AM
Thanks.
What are your thoughts on pump vs semi auto?
What do you eat a steak with? A spoon or a fork? If you say spoon, you are nuts.
What do you eat soup with? A spoon or a fork? if you say fork, you are crazy.
Point is, every tool has a job specific to its design. There is a lot of crossover between pump and semi shotguns, but I would say to look at your personal use and how you would maintain. Semis have gas systems which need to be cleaned and maintained, and pumps pretty much just need to be lubed.
Good advice and comments. [thumbsup] I've got one old Ithaca 37 and they too are very fast loaders like the Mossbergs. Rem 870s and Mossberg 500/590s are like Monsters, built to be modded. ;D ducatiz is right, there are tons of accessories for both models. The list gets real short when you start looking at other brands.
Yeah, look at the offerings that companies like Wilson Combat has (for their custom shotguns). It is pretty much Remington 870 first, then Mossberg 590, then other models like the Benelli M4.
My Class III 870 is a Wilson Combat and most of my other 18" barrel 870s are the old Scattergun Technolgies models (prior to Bill Wilson buying them out). I'm still liking the versitility of the 870 depending on Monsterlover's needs/wants.
Mine is a Wilson setup as well. I really like the Wilson stuff now though, they have a great vision: great finishes and fit, and fairly conservative accessory platforms.
I'd push the 870 as well. Building one isn't hard either, I built a setup using a Magnum receiver and my own finished furniture. That's just me tho.
Plenty of used 870s on gunbroker too.
Agreed. Can't go wrong with that. [thumbsup] I'm interested in Monsterlover's thoughts.
Good info all around.
I like low maintenance that leans me more toward a pump gun.
Parts availability is also a + so I'll likely look at the Mossbergs and Remingtons
I love the look of the pistol grip with the telescoping stock, but Im not sure it would be as comfotable in the hand as a regular stock. . .
Quote from: Monsterlover on September 21, 2010, 07:56:31 AM
Good info all around.
I like low maintenance that leans me more toward a pump gun.
Parts availability is also a + so I'll likely look at the Mossbergs and Remingtons
I love the look of the pistol grip with the telescoping stock, but Im not sure it would be as comfotable in the hand as a regular stock. . .
Depending on your use, I have never seen a rational reason for a telescoping stock on a shotgun. I can see it on an assault rifle, such as an M4 when the thickness of gear and firing position for a soldier can change rapidly, but shotguns are used differently. A pistol grip + rifle stock (like the Choate Mark V) is a good example because it gives you the vertical pg and a rifle stock. I can also see a good use for a foldign stock (not telescoping) because it makes carry easier. Telescoping stock just goes short to long pull. Urban SWAT teams like the short pull because it accounts for gear and makes them somewhat more compact.
I never understood the fascination with a telescoping M4 style stock except on an M4 or even another rifle of that type.
Like this one in the background?
(http://www.sjgunrefinishing.com/Gallery/NewGalleryPicx/both%20Remington%20870%20After2.jpg)
Quote from: Monsterlover on September 21, 2010, 08:17:03 AM
Like this one in the background?
(http://www.sjgunrefinishing.com/Gallery/NewGalleryPicx/both%20Remington%20870%20After2.jpg)
yeah, that's an ATI stock though, you can tell by the uber-thin portion right behind the pistol grip.
Here is a folder from Choate: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=191766502#PIC (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=191766502#PIC)
(http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/191766000/191766502/pix082255350.jpg)
and a fixed Mark V setup: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=191485997 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=191485997)
(http://photos.imageevent.com/blinde/firearmspartsgear/websize/DSC07228.JPG)
Im feeling that something like this (http://www.impactguns.com/store/047700250779.html) could be a good place to start.
Price is reasonable as well, IMO
Quote from: Monsterlover on September 21, 2010, 08:25:01 AM
Im feeling that something like this (http://www.impactguns.com/store/047700250779.html) could be a good place to start.
Price is reasonable as well, IMO
Any 12 ga 870 is going to be good. You have more options if you get one with a magnum receiver, they are heavier. There are several different receivers over the lifetime of the model (70 years? I forget) but the internals are essentially unchanged.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=190846363#PIC (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=190846363#PIC)
$250. Swap the barrel with a shorter one, add a tube extender and you are good to go.
What's the difference between a magnum receiver and non?
When my Dad passed my brother and I divvied up his gun safe. He had a great old 870 Wingmaster that I sure would like to have. Lots of wear on the blue but it's still a beauty and buttery smooth. Not a speck of rust! Unusual for my Dad's guns! [laugh] I let my older brother have it since he used to shoot it as a kid. I got my Dad's Winchester model 42 and my Grandfather's model 12, Beretta 20g Silver Snipe and his Pre-'64 Winchester model 94 in 30-30. Love the stuff I have but I'd also love that old Wingmaster!! My brother got the rest so we came out even. At least he's got two boys to pass it on to. Not sure my step son would appreciate any of it. :P Maybe I'll leave the family guns to my brother's kids too.
The 870s were introduced in 1950. Sixty years of one of the best firearms ever. [thumbsup]
Quote from: Monsterlover on September 21, 2010, 08:28:09 AM
What's the difference between a magnum receiver and non?
The mag receivers can handle 3.5" 12 gauge ammunition, non-mag can take up to 3" rounds. Three and a half inch shotshells are very popular in goose hunting. Makes my shoulder hurt just typing those words! [laugh]
Quote from: rc51 on September 21, 2010, 10:01:13 AM
When my Dad passed my brother and I divvied up his gun safe.
same story when my pop passed, but I'm an only child -- so i got everything. he was in WW2 and in Korea and brought back almost a dozen guns, which he could do as a marine quartermaster.. almost everything was legit, even after the 1986 amnesty... >sigh<.. if we hadn't had to get probate involved, well.. it would have been an unenumerated collection...
Nice! [thumbsup]
Quote from: ducatiz on September 21, 2010, 03:01:42 AM
I haven't found many of the ATI products to be good quality. I have an ATI stock on an SKS but the finish leaves a lot to be desired. The Choate stuff is far better IMHO as they are an OEM for several companies (I know Mossberg and Beretta, not sure about the others).
I have read a lot of good and bad about ATI stuff, but from a first hand account, the collapsing stock on my shotguns and the folding stock on my 10/22 both look, fit, and function just fine. With that being said, none of those guns are show pieces, so I may not be as picky.
Quote from: ducatiz on September 21, 2010, 08:06:40 AM
Depending on your use, I have never seen a rational reason for a telescoping stock on a shotgun. I can see it on an assault rifle, such as an M4 when the thickness of gear and firing position for a soldier can change rapidly, but shotguns are used differently. A pistol grip + rifle stock (like the Choate Mark V) is a good example because it gives you the vertical pg and a rifle stock. I can also see a good use for a foldign stock (not telescoping) because it makes carry easier. Telescoping stock just goes short to long pull. Urban SWAT teams like the short pull because it accounts for gear and makes them somewhat more compact.
I never understood the fascination with a telescoping M4 style stock except on an M4 or even another rifle of that type.
I like the collapsible stock on my 835 because of some of the terrain we muddle through turkey hunting. Shorter gun makes life a little bit easier. +1 on the pg. Takes a lot of the pop out of 3.5" shells. I like it on my defense gun because the butt sits lower when using a single point sling. I agree with you that a folding would probably work better for compactness, but the collapsing still gives you a butt plate for firing without having to unfold. I am thinking in the terms of a 2am, cross-eyed, in my underewear, situation in my house. It would be one less thing to think about doing. There again, personal preference.
Quote from: Monsterlover on September 21, 2010, 03:01:20 AM
Any tips for the shotgun noob?
Looking for an all arounder to shoot/home defense.
MB 500 seems pretty popular
I have to at least mention the Mossberg 835. Inexpensive, reliable, and pretty versatile. Mine eats 2 3/4", 3", and 3 1/2" without a hiccup. I have used it for hunting deer, duck, dove, & turkey. I even shoot skeet with it when I don't want to dirty up my Browning. I have dropped in mud, a lake (damn duck), and had it in rain numerous times. Just clean it, oil it, and use it next time. One of my cheapest and one of my favorites.
Quote from: ducatiz on September 19, 2010, 06:08:42 PM
WANT:
Lahti M39. 20mm anti-tank gun. It's about 7 ft long.
(http://www.mhgunsmithing.com/Images/lahtiLeft.jpg)
Sorry, but I'm gonna have to put my 2c in.
Why the make the beast with two backs would you want one of these? You have a tank problem in your neighbourhood?
Or a quick way to chop trees down? [evil]
Never understood guns, never will. Call me a tree huggin, pacifist leftie. Don't need a gun, I kill my food with my bare hands. Now, where's my packet of Doritos. ;D
[roll]
Heeeeere we go.....
Quote from: rgramjet on September 24, 2010, 04:06:00 PM
[roll]
Heeeeere we go.....
What do you mean?
My post is partly a joke, don't read too much into it. ;)
I live on the other side of the world, so trying to understand how and where you live is a fascination of mine.
I'm a shit stirrer, that's all. ;D
I have trouble concentrating on your posts anyway... can't stop watching Wonder Woman in your avatar. [drool] [bang] Did you say something about guns? [cheeky] The Lahti would help with neighborhood tank problems or you could just get Wonder Woman to help out. Damn sure be more entertaining! [thumbsup]
It is a bit hypnotising. :D
Anyway, where was I....
BOOBIES! [drool]
Quote from: Stinky Wizzleteats on September 24, 2010, 03:48:00 PM
Sorry, but I'm gonna have to put my 2c in.
Why the make the beast with two backs would you want one of these? You have a tank problem in your neighbourhood?
Or a quick way to chop trees down? [evil]
Never understood guns, never will. Call me a tree huggin, pacifist leftie. Don't need a gun, I kill my food with my bare hands. Now, where's my packet of Doritos. ;D
I can't explain it. My family (people with my surname) has about 40 people in it. Prior to 1940, we probably had 2000. It is weird to have family members with actual tattooed serial numbers in their arms, which they received in a work camp. I know you can't understand how this makes one feel. I grew up with a 12 ga shotgun in my closet that my dad kept there. He escaped from Soviet Russia with his parents as a child and never forgot the fear his family had of the criminal authorities.
Of course, your life is much happier and more tranquil. You probably don't ever give a single thought to these things happening in your life. No one ever does.
As far as the M39, it would just be a vanity purchase. I'd take it to the Knob Creek shoot every year but mostly just gloat over it. But also, there is something to knowing that you can take out a tank. I am not saying I expect a tank on my street -- I absolutely don't -- but I'd rather have it and not need it than the opposite.
But as I said, I would probably just gloat over it. My pop would say it was nuts too -- he thought having a shotgun and a submachine in the house was sufficient. Granted, the SMG wasn't legal after the laws changed, but we didn't know that. He brought it back from Korea, having served in the Marines during WW2 and then getting a commission for Korea.
I watched Red Dawn as a child
I know they are coming
I need an RPG
Z Day is coming...
I like the direction this is going. [laugh] But no politics!! >:(... [laugh]
Quote from: Stinky Wizzleteats on September 24, 2010, 03:48:00 PM
Never understood guns, never will. Call me a tree huggin, pacifist leftie. Don't need a gun, I kill my food with my bare hands. Now, where's my packet of Doritos. ;D
For me, guns are just another hobby. Something to do. I like to shoot stuff. I like to hunt. It is nice to get out in the quiet, without phones, text, twitters, facebooks, myspaces, and wuphfs. I'll hug a tree if it needs it. I have no fetish for violence. Guns are something to enjoy, I guess. One of the perks is that there is a good chance that I better armed then the misguided soul that attempts to come in my house and take my stuff, possibly at the expense of my family. Those are the people I don't understand.
We are not so different StinkyW, cause like you, I will hunt down and kill a bag of Doritos's without remorse!
Gun lust. I haz it.
Went into a local shop yesterday at the tail end of my ride. On the wall was what I thought was an FN bolt gun. Turns out it was a custom job built by a local guy in Manassas. Surgeon action and bottom metal w/AI magazine, MacMillan stock w/adjustable cheekpiece, threaded barrel, KMW bolt knob. I don't rmember what the finish was but it was a dark grey and pretty slick. The bolt was so smooth. They had the test target on the wall next to it. First test group was.418' w/168 gr Black Hills Match Hollowpoints. Except for the stock, it was pretty much the exact thing I wanted to build for myself.
If it wouldn't have broken my bank account and the fact that I really don't have anywhere to put a rifle like that to good use, I would have bought it. Instead I walked out with a stripped Rock River lower. Now I just need to figure out what I'm gonna do with it.
I had an AR lower on my desk at work for years. It wasn't finished. Got lots of comments
Look for a "group buy" on a complete parts kit. I picked up a parts kit with flattop receiver, that included everything needed to shoot, for $499........just add stripped lower.
I think it was an ar15.com group buy.....
Assembling the rifle was very cool! Good luck on your build!
Quote from: rgramjet on September 26, 2010, 05:50:42 AM
Look for a "group buy" on a complete parts kit. I picked up a parts kit with flattop receiver, that included everything needed to shoot, for $499........just add stripped lower.
I think it was an ar15.com group buy.....
Assembling the rifle was very cool! Good luck on your build!
Have you gotten around to looking at the Eotech yet?
Quote from: DRKWNG on September 26, 2010, 06:33:01 AM
Have you gotten around to looking at the Eotech yet?
Mounted and shot with it last weekend. Didn't have a chance to "dial it in" yet. It didn't cut out on me but only shot about 90 rounds while taking a break from building a 22' tall deer stand!
Quote from: rgramjet on September 26, 2010, 06:45:13 AM
Mounted and shot with it last weekend. Didn't have a chance to "dial it in" yet. It didn't cut out on me but only shot about 90 rounds while taking a break from building a 22' tall deer stand!
Cool. Now gimme some foooking money now would ya? ;D
Quote from: DRKWNG on September 26, 2010, 06:49:42 AM
Cool. Now gimme some foooking money now would ya? ;D
DPMS parts kit for $439 just add receiver:http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=697504 (http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=697504)
correction, that is for the barreled upper. complete parts kit from them is $600
Quote from: ducatiz on September 24, 2010, 05:12:48 PM
<snip>
No worries Ducatiz, they are the sort of stories that make me go :o then :'(
I wasn't trying to be Buzz Killington, just wanted to know what the fuss was all about.
I know when I was a kid, my Dad did take me shooting a couple of times with his mates, mainly rabbit or duck shooting. We couldn't hit a bull in the arse with a handful of M&M's pretty much summed up how bad we were. He had an old piece of shit Anschutz? 22 cal bolt action rifle. It was always sitting in the shed, wrapped in a rag. I found the box of ammo for it one day and was just about to put a bullet in a vise and hit it with a hammer to see what would happen. I had second thoughts and put it back.
Anyway, about 15 years back there was a gun buy back scheme and he thought he could get some money for it, they were mainly after autos and semi autos. He took it down to the Police Station and the coppers laughed at him. [laugh]
Quote from: Stinky Wizzleteats on September 26, 2010, 09:01:17 PMAnyway, about 15 years back there was a gun buy back scheme and he thought he could get some money for it, they were mainly after autos and semi autos. He took it down to the Police Station and the coppers laughed at him. [laugh]
it was probably worth far more than $100!
Damn. Homes had a bad day.
Quote from: DRKWNG on October 03, 2010, 03:01:07 PM
Damn. Homes had a bad day.
Just a bit :o
Sure took a lot of shots to stop twitching
Damn, that sucked to watch. Definitely not the right firearm for the task at hand.
Another vid like that and every gun thread will be removed.
No discussion.
Wtf?
Yall gettin nate's bra in a bunch! Cut it out!
Quote from: ducatiz on October 03, 2010, 04:23:56 PM
Wtf?
Yall gettin nate's bra in a bunch! Cut it out!
Bite me. >:(
Bring it back on topic.
I'm done make the beast with two backsin' around.
I am trading for yet another ruger mk2, this time the target model. I have my pop's 1950 original standard model in the box. Prob hasa only a few hundred rounds. Can't part w it can't shoot it
Quote from: ducatiz on October 03, 2010, 04:37:28 PM
I am trading for yet another ruger mk2, this time the target model. I have my pop's 1950 original standard model in the box. Prob hasa only a few hundred rounds. Can't part w it can't shoot it
I can understand not parting with it, but it was built and bought to be used.
Original box, papers, finish, and even has the receipt from Ace Hardware showing he paid $15 cash for it.
Quote from: ducatiz on October 03, 2010, 05:19:04 PM
Original box, papers, finish, and even has the receipt from Ace Hardware showing he paid $15 cash for it.
Yea, I'd keep it.
Quote from: ducatiz on October 03, 2010, 05:19:04 PM
Original box, papers, finish, and even has the receipt from Ace Hardware showing he paid $15 cash for it.
Has it been fired?
Quote from: humorless dp on October 03, 2010, 05:29:03 PM
Has it been fired?
yeah, but not much. he bought it to harass the squirrels in the yard. the neighbors were a bit far off when he got it.
Quote from: DRKWNG on October 03, 2010, 05:24:14 PM
Yea, I'd keep it.
oh, i'm keeping it..
Quote from: ducatiz on October 03, 2010, 05:19:04 PM
Original box, papers, finish, and even has the receipt from Ace Hardware showing he paid $15 cash for it.
see there its a 15$ gun, shoot the shit out of it
Quote from: Mother on October 03, 2010, 09:39:33 PM
see there its a 15$ gun, shoot the shit out of it
lol...
Quote from: humorless dp on October 03, 2010, 03:14:16 PM
Another vid like that and every gun thread will be removed.
No discussion.
I've been gone for few days. I don't see a video link in a post that would be upsetting. Did the poster delete it? Just curious is all, not stirring the pot here. [thumbsup]
Speaking of on topic stuff, went dove hunting in west TX at a friend's ranch (don't ask OK, there were no freaking dove!!! [bang]). Anyway, a bunch of guys brought dirt bikes, beer, food and guns so who gave a shit about dove. There were several semi to heavy modded 10/22 Rugers and they got a good thrashing. It was amazing what a heavy barreled 10/22 with an aftermarket trigger could do at a 100 yards. We had a couple sets of steel spinners that were 1" round set at 100 yrds. It was a semi drunken contest (no, we weren't that drunk shooting guns! A beer or 2) of who could ring all 10 spinners in a row. Damn good fun! Several 10/22 configurations were capable with the right ammo... shooting off the roof of an old Nissan pick up. The favorite ammo that was eaten was an Aguila sub-sonic .22LR... can't remember the name on the box. [bang] Lots of good cheap fun. Took lots of other fire sticks and shot them but the .22 stuff was the most fun. ;D
[popcorn]
pm sent
Quote from: rc51 on October 04, 2010, 05:15:09 PM
I've been gone for few days. I don't see a video link in a post that would be upsetting. Did the poster delete it? Just curious is all, not stirring the pot here. [thumbsup]
Speaking of on topic stuff, went dove hunting in west TX at a friend's ranch (don't ask OK, there were no freaking dove!!! [bang]). Anyway, a bunch of guys brought dirt bikes, beer, food and guns so who gave a shit about dove. There were several semi to heavy modded 10/22 Rugers and they got a good thrashing. It was amazing what a heavy barreled 10/22 with an aftermarket trigger could do at a 100 yards. We had a couple sets of steel spinners that were 1" round set at 100 yrds. It was a semi drunken contest (no, we weren't that drunk shooting guns! A beer or 2) of who could ring all 10 spinners in a row. Damn good fun! Several 10/22 configurations were capable with the right ammo... shooting off the roof of an old Nissan pick up. The favorite ammo that was eaten was an Aguila sub-sonic .22LR... can't remember the name on the box. [bang] Lots of good cheap fun. Took lots of other fire sticks and shot them but the .22 stuff was the most fun. ;D
I also said "no discussion".
I shoot the Aguila sub-sonic. It's good stuff, pretty quiet, and still packs a punch.
Agreed, no board discussion. Wasn't looking to re-flame an issue. [thumbsup] Peace. Out.
Tell me about aguila sub sonic...
I have two types, one has 30gr bullet w a regular case and the other has a 70 gr bullet with a short case but oal is the same. Both are low powder.
I'm using a 40gr (I think)
The subsonic just takes the 'crack' out of the report because it's sub-sonic. ;D
Sounds more like a pellet rifle.
Aguila also makes a round that uses something other than gunpowder. They call it the 'Super Colibri' and I'm told it's even quieter. The bullets are typically light.
Keep in mind low powered rounds sometimes won't cycle the action of a semi auto, although I hear the sub-sonic works in many. My 22 is a single shot so it's no issue.
I use it because I like to shoot out the back of the barn and it doesn't seem to bother the neighbors.
That is a primer only round. It is great for indoor shooting, which is what it is designed for.
Quote from: ducatiz on October 05, 2010, 04:20:10 AM
That is a primer only round. It is great for indoor shooting, which is what it is designed for.
Have you used them?
Quote from: humorless dp on October 05, 2010, 04:22:33 AM
Have you used them?
yes. i had this grand idea to set up a target in my manhattan apartment. lol
i made a trap, it worked. they are too expensive to use for me. i mean, i don't need them.
i woudn't use them for anything else, they are too low power. the subsonic type with the heavy projectile are the best imho for pests. the weight of the bullet makes up for the lower velocity. they will not cycle an action though.
Quote from: ducatiz on October 05, 2010, 04:30:59 AM
yes. i had this grand idea to set up a target in my manhattan apartment. lol
i made a trap, it worked. they are too expensive to use for me. i mean, i don't need them.
i woudn't use them for anything else, they are too low power. the subsonic type with the heavy projectile are the best imho for pests. the weight of the bullet makes up for the lower velocity. they will not cycle an action though.
I've seen them with a 60 gr projectile, but never 70.
I know my 223 doesn't like a heavy projectile because of rate of twist, and the reviews I've read of the 60 gr are the same in barrels with similar twist rates.
Of course I don't know what the twist rate is on the old single shot I have, but I have no problems with a 40 gr round for pests.
Aguila calls their 60gr short the Sniper Subsonic (or SSS for short).
I've read that you need a barrel with twist tighter than 1:16 to stabilize the bullet enough to make it accurate.
Aguila claims they'll cycle any semi-auto action, but I guess that's marketing for ya.
Don't quote me on those weights. I think it may have been 35 and 65 or ? I know they were heavier than ytpical 22lr
Quote from: Rameses on October 05, 2010, 04:47:20 AM
Aguila calls their 60gr short the Sniper Subsonic (or SSS for short).
I've read that you need a barrel with twist tighter than 1:16 to stabilize the bullet enough to make it accurate.
Aguila claims they'll cycle any semi-auto action, but I guess that's marketing for ya.
The reviews I've read are mixed on the cycling. Some people have had good results and others not.
I put one of these (http://www.impactguns.com/store/047700250779.html) on my xmas list :D
I don't need one, but I need one
Never owned a shot gun before, are there any differences in brands of shells? They all work fine?
This would be for home defense, maybe short range small game type stuff.
Maybe shoot some water mellons.
;D
Quote from: Monsterlover on October 20, 2010, 10:15:36 AM
I put one of these (http://www.impactguns.com/store/047700250779.html) on my xmas list :D
I don't need one, but I need one
Never owned a shot gun before, are there any differences in brands of shells? They all work fine?
This would be for home defense, maybe short range small game type stuff.
Maybe shoot some water mellons.
;D
there is quite an array of shells for 12ga. everything from size to recoil to load. that 870 has an extended tube for 7 rounds, which is measured by using 2 3/4" shells which are standard. If that has a magnum receiver, you can use 3.5" shells which kick a bit more. or if you are feeling stupid, get the ramp modified and use 1" shells and put 20 in that tube.
buckshot, birdshit, defense balls, slugs, rifled slugs, firebombs, epsom salt loads, and on and on.
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot33.htm (http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot33.htm)
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot5_3.htm (http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot5_3.htm)
I'll read those later. . .
what's a "firebomb"
im intrigued. . .
Quote from: Monsterlover on October 20, 2010, 11:02:49 AM
I'll read those later. . .
what's a "firebomb"
im intrigued. . .
start watching at about 0:55 unless you like the music..
Dragon&#39;s Breath (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzCYFg-gYUk#normal)
here is a good survey of "specialty" rounds... the flechettes are the WORST
Exotic Shotgun Ammunition Tests (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paPJqUA86jw&feature=related#normal)
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Im bringing Dragon's Breath to the next DIMBY :D
My two cents is for home defense you really don't need the 3"-3.5" rounds. 2 3/4" shotshells are perfectly acceptable. Three inch 00 buck is just overkill... pun intended! No full size human is going to fare very well against any standard 2 3/4" shotshell if the shot is placed correctly. Do you live in an apartment, condo, etc. where you share walls with neighbors? Is there more than yourself and SO/wife in your home? As in kiddos, mother in law (OK... you don't have to answer that one! [laugh]), etc. The reason I ask is regarding over penetration of hollow core doors and sheetrock walls. Might want to keep that issue in mind regarding the shotshells you deploy.
I'm a fan of 2 3/4" Federal low recoil tactical nine pellet 00 buck (H132). Very effective, patterns well, runs in all my scatterguns, readily available all over the place, easy to control and easy on my bad shoulder. ;D I'm sure you'll get lots of good opinions and advice on this thread. Heck... you should see how effective good old #8 dove and quail hunting loads are within typical room distances! Ouch! The ER doc takes one look at that wound and says f#@k it, can't dig all that lead out! [bang]
Doood
stop changing your name [laugh]
We have a house, and it's just my wife and I + 1 dog and 3 cats.
It's doubtful anyone will ever come in here while we're home, but that doesn't mean I won't have firearms ready to go.
Someone apparently stole my fastwin name while I was "gone"... since I had no copy rights. And rc51 just didn't seem right on a Duc board. ;D
Well if it's just you two and critters you don't have the over penetration concerns that apartment and condo dwellers have. How do you know that no one will ever come while you're at home? That's a huge tactical error. Just because you're watching the ball game on a sunny Sunday afternoon on TV doesn't mean some dirtbag won't kick in your back door looking for trouble. Get over that real quick!
I left our house just the other week and my wife was on the couch with her lap top and my step son was on the computer doing homework in our spare bedroom. A minute after I left to run an errand a blue Ford Taurus pulled in our front circular drive and a guy got out of the front passenger seat and went to our front door. My step son saw all of this because our dog was going nuts barking inside the house. The dude went to our front door and knocked in a friendly "hey, I'm you neighbor" kind of way. Didn't ring the doorbell, he knocked in the "neighborly kind of way". Thankfully our dog nearly ripped the make the beast with two backsing front door off to get him and he got scared and bolted for the car as quick as he could and the driver punched it out of our driveway burning rubber down the street. Gee, think they wanted to sell us frozen steaks or sell Boy Scout popcorn??? Our mutt saved the day. [thumbsup] She packs a hell of a punch when it comes to door bell ringing or door knocks! She hates UPS/FedEx and USPS folks!
Don't ever take the seemingly common, normal occurrence for what it is. Those guys were up to no good for sure. I never saw them when I left but I'm damn sure they saw me and were hoping they could drive up and kick in my front or back door and clean house. My goofy but bad ass sounding dog stopped that. If I'd been home the next thing they would have seen is the barrel of my shotgun! But I wasn't there. My wife and kiddo were. Only my pooch stopped what ever they were planning to do. Don't ever assume some piece of shit won't come into your home to cause trouble and horror just because you might be there... or not. OK, my two cents over and out. By the way, I am still pissed as hell about what happened and I wasn't there to prevent it. You can't be there 24/7!! [bang] Thankfully my dog took charge! [thumbsup] She's worth at least two shotguns when it comes to deterrent!!
I still prefer my AR for home defense. I am very small in stature, and shotguns are too punishing for me. I also feel safer with the 5.56 round. Plenty of tests, including FBI, show that it is one of the safer indoor rounds.
Here is just an example from Olympic...
http://www.olyarms.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=15&Itemid=27 (http://www.olyarms.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=15&Itemid=27)
Quote from: oldfastwin on October 20, 2010, 08:53:36 PM
Someone apparently stole my fastwin name while I was "gone"... since I had no copy rights. And rc51 just didn't seem right on a Duc board. ;D
[laugh]
Unfortunately it appears that rc51/oldfastwin was registered a day before the new fastwin came on board, so it was still available when you reregistered.
Quote from: Rhubarb on October 21, 2010, 07:12:40 AM
I still prefer my AR for home defense. I am very small in stature, and shotguns are too punishing for me. I also feel safer with the 5.56 round. Plenty of tests, including FBI, show that it is one of the safer indoor rounds.
Use low impulse 12 ga, bird shot, or even a 20 ga for better control if you use a shotgun.
Given that a 5.56 FMJ will go thru a padlock, I don't trust it. I know there have been studies showing SOME forms of 5.56 ammo won't over penetrate. However, the list that you provided on the OlyArms site also used FMJ pistol rounds. Who uses FMJ for home defense? Not anyone I know.
Quote from: oldfastwin on October 20, 2010, 08:53:36 PM
Someone apparently stole my fastwin name while I was "gone"... since I had no copy rights. And rc51 just didn't seem right on a Duc board. ;D
Well if it's just you two and critters you don't have the over penetration concerns that apartment and condo dwellers have. How do you know that no one will ever come while you're at home? That's a huge tactical error. Just because you're watching the ball game on a sunny Sunday afternoon on TV doesn't mean some dirtbag won't kick in your back door looking for trouble. Get over that real quick!
I left our house just the other week and my wife was on the couch with her lap top and my step son was on the computer doing homework in our spare bedroom. A minute after I left to run an errand a blue Ford Taurus pulled in our front circular drive and a guy got out of the front passenger seat and went to our front door. My step son saw all of this because our dog was going nuts barking inside the house. The dude went to our front door and knocked in a friendly "hey, I'm you neighbor" kind of way. Didn't ring the doorbell, he knocked in the "neighborly kind of way". Thankfully our dog nearly ripped the make the beast with two backsing front door off to get him and he got scared and bolted for the car as quick as he could and the driver punched it out of our driveway burning rubber down the street. Gee, think they wanted to sell us frozen steaks or sell Boy Scout popcorn??? Our mutt saved the day. [thumbsup] She packs a hell of a punch when it comes to door bell ringing or door knocks! She hates UPS/FedEx and USPS folks!
Don't ever take the seemingly common, normal occurrence for what it is. Those guys were up to no good for sure. I never saw them when I left but I'm damn sure they saw me and were hoping they could drive up and kick in my front or back door and clean house. My goofy but bad ass sounding dog stopped that. If I'd been home the next thing they would have seen is the barrel of my shotgun! But I wasn't there. My wife and kiddo were. Only my pooch stopped what ever they were planning to do. Don't ever assume some piece of shit won't come into your home to cause trouble and horror just because you might be there... or not. OK, my two cents over and out. By the way, I am still pissed as hell about what happened and I wasn't there to prevent it. You can't be there 24/7!! [bang] Thankfully my dog took charge! [thumbsup] She's worth at least two shotguns when it comes to deterrent!!
you make a great point.
However, note I didn't say I *know* nothing will happen when were home, just that it's unlikely. I'm playing the odds but I know there's still a chance.
It's why I post questions here and put 870's on my Xmas list ;)
You can't go wrong with an 870, or any of the older shotgun models from mossaberg, winchester etc. High standard, ithaca and browning also make mature designs. The 870 gets an edge because of its ubiquity. I just wish it had bottom eject like the ithaca m37.
Why's that?
Quote from: Monsterlover on October 21, 2010, 02:08:49 PM
Why's that?
i just like it. on a high-ROF rifle, it makes a huge difference, but it's a design problem given you have the guts of hte rifle and magazine there. I forget which system has it -- P90? -- but it drops the empties right at your feet instead of in the face of your buddy to your right. i spent a year in lebanon having brass lobbed at me from the gunner. i would have loved him to have bottom eject.
that all being said, bottom eject on a shotgun is just the cherry on the cherry for a good setup like an 870.
Gotcha
sounds like a personal preference issue
I haven't looked but can I change out the barrel on that 870 for a longer one?
Should I ever want to hunt or shoot skeet/trap.
I have an 870. Excellent choice! [thumbsup]
Quote from: Monsterlover on October 22, 2010, 03:47:31 AM
Gotcha
sounds like a personal preference issue
I haven't looked but can I change out the barrel on that 870 for a longer one?
Should I ever want to hunt or shoot skeet/trap.
yes.
takes about 20 seconds if you have one hand and are drunk.
http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/products_id/4709 (http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/products_id/4709)
Very good condition 1187s for $439! Plus FFL fees.
Unfortunately it appears that rc51/oldfastwin was registered a day before the new fastwin came on board, so it was still available when you reregistered.
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No it wasn't it. Nate told me that. And AR rounds do over penetrate. You wanna argue with Clint Smith? Remind me to stay out of your sheetrock housing. :P
Quote from: oldfastwin on October 22, 2010, 07:50:32 PM
Unfortunately it appears that rc51/oldfastwin was registered a day before the new fastwin came on board, so it was still available when you reregistered.
No it wasn't it. Nate told me that. And AR rounds do over penetrate. You wanna argue with Clint Smith? Remind me to stay out of your sheetrock housing. :P
I dunno who this clint smith guy is
but
a make the beast with two backsing BB will "over penetrate" a sheetrock wall
When the bullet penetrates the body and starts to slow, as it is punching through flesh and bone, it won't over penetrate the wall behind the person you just burned down. I promise. Learn how to shoot.
I know how to shoot. I'm talking a missed shot going through sheetrock. Not a hit. Google Clint Smith/Thunder Ranch. Not you Kopf but Mother. I know you know who he is. [thumbsup] ;D
Quote from: kopfjäger on October 22, 2010, 08:10:21 PM
When the bullet penetrates the body and starts to slow, as it is punching through flesh and bone, it won't over penetrate the wall behind the person you just burned down. I promise. Learn how to shoot.
well given my experience shooting humans with rifle calibers inside buildings...
This actually suprises me
I figured a .223 would clear a person and a wall without much effort
Quote from: Mother on October 22, 2010, 09:49:24 PM
well given my experience shooting humans with rifle calibers inside buildings...
This actually suprises me
I figured a .223 would clear a person and a wall without much effort
This would depend on the 223 round. http://www.6mmbr.com/223Rem.html (http://www.6mmbr.com/223Rem.html)
Oh, and I would never (personally) use .223 as a home defense weapon. ;)
as to this Wylde chamber .223 vs. 5.56 throat issue
is it purely a consideration in the AR configuration of rifle
or
is it also an issue in say a bolt action?
Quote from: Mother on October 22, 2010, 10:16:23 PM
as to this Wylde chamber .223/5.56
is it purely a consideration in the AR configuration of rifle
or
is it also an issue in say a bolt action?
Barrel length type of round all has an effect. If I was using 223, it would be for reaching out (unless I was doing CQB). Home defense would always be a shotgun, unless you do a lot of pistol training.
The key is that I am hitting what I am shooting at.
When the the 357 SIG round was going to be used by the FAM's everyone thought about over penetration in the aircraft. After a lot of testing, it proved to not be an issue.
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Quote from: vincheung on October 23, 2010, 12:24:46 AM
Empty out the shotgun shells and throw in some rock salt, keep an extra 00 buckshot in the shell holder to "finish" the job afterwards.
isn't that a little like digging a hole with a shovel while standing next to a backhoe?
[laugh]
great analogy
Box of Truth tested the rock salt load. Ineffective past 10 ft
#4 is a good compromise if you're worried about 00 buck, etc. I know several folks who like #4 for home defense in their scatterguns.
Quote from: vincheung on October 23, 2010, 07:43:11 AM
Ah, that sucks, i was going to test it out this winter on some pumpkins but 10 feet is no fun. Back to home defense, I keep #4 Buckshot in my mossbergs but im not sure about the sheetrock penetration with #4
unless you have some weird real estate, 10-20 feet is going to be the maximum indoor range you need to worry about. rock salt will barely wound someone at 10 ' but you can imagine it will scare the shit out of them. also, there is practically >>no<< recoil from it since it weighs nothing.
i wouldn't discount it completely, but i would not rely on it.
bird shot is good too at short range. at 20 ft with cyl choke, it isn't going to spread more than 6-8 inches. imagine being hit with about 40 bbs flying at 900 fps.
fixing bb sized holes in sheet rock is easy.
Clint Smith (who runs Thunder Ranch) had a neat sheetrock penetration display at the Mountain Home, TX location. He used it in the classroom part of his courses. It was two pieces of 1/2" sheetrock fixed in a "V" imitating the corner of a room. It was on casters and could be rolled around. Several rounds (pistol, rifle and shotgun) in different calibers/shot size were fired from varying distances with each penetration marked and identified as to caliber and distance fired. Damn near everything went through both "walls". Some to much greater effect than others. It was an eye opener for sure. In his normal, matter of fact manner of speech he said if you're worried about spent rounds going through the walls just make sure you hit the guy you're shooting at! ;D
Quote from: oldfastwin on October 23, 2010, 12:34:08 PM
In his normal, matter of fact manner of speech he said if you're worried about spent rounds going through the walls just make sure you hit the guy you're shooting at! ;D
or hire this guy to hang out at your house
(http://www.pmcaregivers.com/images/Thorazine.jpg)
J&G has police trade-in 870 shotguns for cheap
http://www.jgsales.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=870+35 (http://www.jgsales.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=870+35)
Express model takes magnum shells -- $279 for "vg plus" condition.
None are new, but all of the police armory guns I've seen in my lifetime were excellent mechanically.
Ask me about the Austrian police Glock I picked up ages ago -- clockwork.
Looking for a decent AR15 at a reasonable price. Saw some at the local gun show yesterday but couldn't find anything below $825. One of the Academy stores here has these Bushmaster ORC carbines (MSRP $1,120) for only $699. Anyone got any better deals out there than that?
(http://i354.photobucket.com/albums/r438/SA_S2R/BushmasterORC.jpg)
Quote from: vincheung on November 08, 2010, 06:34:59 PM
$699 is pretty good, where did you see that price?
Quote from: SA_S2R on November 08, 2010, 05:32:32 PM
Looking for a decent AR15 at a reasonable price. Saw some at the local gun show yesterday but couldn't find anything below $825. One of the Academy stores here has these Bushmaster ORC carbines (MSRP $1,120) for only $699. Anyone got any better deals out there than that?
(http://i354.photobucket.com/albums/r438/SA_S2R/BushmasterORC.jpg)
Thought id mention JG has police trade in Glocks in .45 and .40
http://www.jgsales.com/index.php/cPath/16_150_497 (http://www.jgsales.com/index.php/cPath/16_150_497)
Also, I discovered a small amount of rust on my 1911's slide.
It got a quick wipe down last time I cleaned it and its been sitting out in the open on my dressor for probably 6 months at least.
This is not a high dollar gun so its not breaking my heart but id still like some tips on how to clean it up and keep this from happening again.
The gun is just pissed off at you for leaving it on the dresser instead of taking it to the range. :D
Light coat of CLP or other gun oil will keep that from happenig, but if it sits out you need to reapply some on occasion.
[laugh]
I know. I haven't been to the range in months.
Im getting back into it. I ordered some bullets and plan to buy more primers and powder tomorrow so I can load up some more.
I've had a gunsmith I trust recommend birchwood casey synthetic gun oil.
Any fhe with that?
Can't hurt to give it a try
0000 steel wool is very good at taking light surface rust off and not hurting the bluing or parkerizing. Won't do anything with deep pitting though. Just be gentle with it and follow with a good coating of Rem oil or anything that prohibits rust. It happens to the best of us. [thumbsup] Just have to stay vigilant. Rust never sleeps. ;D
[thumbsup]
Noted
One thing that works good for firearm exteriors for rust and fingerprint protection is Birchwood Casey Gunstock Wax. Its basically car wax for your gun. I use it on my nicer rifles and shotguns, it works well and provides longer protection against surface rust than regular gun oil.
For a general purpose gun cleaner/light preservative do a google search for "Eds Red" it is a gun cleaner you mix yourself from hardware store chemicals. It works excellent and is super cheap. You probably have most of the components already in your garage. I mix it by the quart and it works better than any commercial standard gun cleaner I have used.
Quote from: kopfjäger on November 22, 2010, 08:05:11 PM
Can't hurt to give it a try
Unless you splash it in your eye. ;D
Before you try any wool, try newspaper.
Spray the spot with a little oil of any kind and then crumple up newspaper and rub it gently. Work up from there.
Newspaper can't do anything bad and provides just enough friction. 0000 steel wool will polish the surface and can make it look different.
Quote from: oldfastwin on November 22, 2010, 08:39:02 PM
0000 steel wool is very good at taking light surface rust off and not hurting the bluing or parkerizing. Won't do anything with deep pitting though. Just be gentle with it and follow with a good coating of Rem oil or anything that prohibits rust. It happens to the best of us. [thumbsup] Just have to stay vigilant. Rust never sleeps. ;D
I'll try the newspaper, thanks.
Sure, try the newspaper first, why not. [thumbsup] Again, 0000 steel wool does work well just be very gentle with it. If you klutz it and rub too hard it will surely damage the bluing. But I've used it dozens of times over the years to good effect. Lots of good surface preservatives out there but you have to use them first! I've had good luck with Rem oil, nothing special just readily available. The main thing is the way you handle them before you put them up. Don't leave your paw print all over the barrel as you put it back in the safe. Oiled up or not fingerprints will do damage over the long term. I've also had good luck putting my long guns in Allen brand silicone treated gun socks after cleaning and oiling right before they are put away.
The odd thing is that i've handled this pistol a few times since it's been out (in the last 6 months)
The rust is not where my fingers would leave prints. The worst of it is on the side of the slide, right at the muzzle. The gun was laying on a fiber mat, and this area of the slide is what contacted the mat. I suspect trapped humidity.
There are a couple other small spots on the same side of the slide, but the worst is where it touched the mat.
Live n learn.
Quote from: Monsterlover on November 23, 2010, 07:18:05 AM
The odd thing is that i've handled this pistol a few times since it's been out (in the last 6 months)
The rust is not where my fingers would leave prints. The worst of it is on the side of the slide, right at the muzzle. The gun was laying on a fiber mat, and this area of the slide is what contacted the mat. I suspect trapped humidity.
If you want to see what is best for preventing rust, check this out:
http://www.6mmbr.com/corrosiontest.html (http://www.6mmbr.com/corrosiontest.html)
I will use almost anything to clean, but once I'm finished I use Eezox to lube. It dries into a film and protects metal better than anything short of dunking it in cosmo.
Bear in mind those tests are with a SALT spray, so corrosion is accelerated. The 11 week test is the best.
Damn.
Looks like that stuff works pretty well.
Quote from: Monsterlover on November 23, 2010, 07:57:18 AM
Damn.
Looks like that stuff works pretty well.
it's like magic. like i said, i use anything to clean but when it comes time to lube and store, eezox all the way.
Quote from: Monsterlover on November 22, 2010, 07:23:23 PM
Thought id mention JG has police trade in Glocks in .45 and .40
http://www.jgsales.com/index.php/cPath/16_150_497 (http://www.jgsales.com/index.php/cPath/16_150_497)
FWIW, J&G is about five blocks from my house here in Prescott, if anyone wants a second opinion on anything they're considering...
Quote from: triangleforge on November 23, 2010, 08:15:02 AM
FWIW, J&G is about five blocks from my house here in Prescott, if anyone wants a second opinion on anything they're considering...
yes please:
Link: JG Sales (http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/machine-guns-class-iii/transferable/p/alltech-ar15-a1-style-223-class-3-transferable-machine-gun-very-good-condition-/cPath/175_696/products_id/4271?osCsid=7dd20621cb11cb9ab5a8d0cdfcd8df81)
Quote from: ducatiz on November 23, 2010, 08:16:22 AM
yes please:
Link: JG Sales (http://"http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/machine-guns-class-iii/transferable/p/alltech-ar15-a1-style-223-class-3-transferable-machine-gun-very-good-condition-/cPath/175_696/products_id/4271?osCsid=7dd20621cb11cb9ab5a8d0cdfcd8df81")
got it. At that price, you might want to come use our guest room and take a look yourself. ;D PM me if you're so inclined.
Quote from: ducatiz on November 23, 2010, 08:16:22 AM
yes please:
Link: JG Sales (http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/machine-guns-class-iii/transferable/p/alltech-ar15-a1-style-223-class-3-transferable-machine-gun-very-good-condition-/cPath/175_696/products_id/4271?osCsid=7dd20621cb11cb9ab5a8d0cdfcd8df81")
Fixed link
Quote from: triangleforge on November 23, 2010, 08:24:09 AM
got it. At that price, you might want to come use our guest room and take a look yourself. ;D PM me if you're so inclined.
hmmm.. an invitation is always appreciated. let me finish this project i am working on..
I stop in at J&G every couple of months. I can't afford the modern guns that interest me, but they do a lot of estate purchases and so get in some interesting muzzleloaders on occasion -- which they apparently find really embarrassing, so they tuck them way, way in the back and sell them for scandalously low prices.
Seriously, you've got a place to stay if you find yourself out here -- after I moved from the DC area to the AZ Highlands three years ago, I can say with some authority that we've got better gun stores and motorcycle roads here than in the Mid-Atlantic.
I used to stay in Scottsdale for 1-2 weeks for training every year, before I became an attorney. Golf and bullshit for a week and then horse riding and shooting the rest of the time. I usually flew home with a box of a couple of long guns. I would move to AZ in a minute, my wife isn't so hot on the idea.... :-\
In college, I used to go camping outside of Prescott with an ex-gf's dad. He thought I was his long-lost son. He lived in Prescott -- we'd hike all around Jerome and the valley there bow hunting elk.
That's part of what my wife doesn't like about it. Plus the fact that ex gf never got over me.. Whatever... [laugh]
I took my 1911 to the range Thanksgiving day and had a lot of fun :)
I only went through about 100 rounds but managed a couple targets with 2" groups (at 7yds) and that's the best i've done with this gun, so I was happy.
Got some hammer bite too. Not bad, but after probably 500-600 rounds through this gun this is the first time I've experienced it.
Anyway, I came to realize that gun does not fit well in my hand. I have big hand and can easily put the first joint of my index finger past the trigger.
I thought to myself that maybe I needed to check out something with a double stack magazine. This would also be an excuse to purchase another firearm :D
My wife and I stopped at the gun shop to fondle pistols yesterday.
Im wanting her to find something she's comfortable handling.
She ended up liking a S&W M&P compact 9mm the best -
(http://i41.tinypic.com/vo8s20.jpg)
Im really digging the Ruger SR9c compact 9mm. Great fit in my hand and it comes with a longer mag that allows a lot more grip as well as a shorter mag that's geared for carry.
(http://www.ammoland.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Ruger-SR9c-Compact-Pistol-brushed-stainless-11.jpg)
(http://www.gunreports.com/media/newspics/selector/Ruger-SR9C-KSR9C-3313-9mm-1right.jpg)
Does anyone have any experience with either of these? Im guessing they're quality brands as they're both major players in the firearms market but I've never owned anything from either of them.
Thoughts?
I've handled and fired the new M&P and like it. They did their homework.
Haven't handled the Ruger but have heard good things.
Zero mileage on either but I am sure they are both good. S&W and Ruger make some good quality stuff. All my Smith guns have worked great but they are all wheel guns and the only Rugers I have are .22s and my step son's Model 77 .223. My guess is you'd have to work hard to find someone who says they both make shitty guns. [bang]
Is your 1911 "stock"? As in no beavertail grip safety. I assume it is if you got bit. Stock 1911s, Hi-Powers and Walther ppk/ppks pistols are famous for the "bite". The 1911 is the easiest to cure with a beavertail grip safety. Saves the web of your hand and lets you grip higher for more control.
Yeah it's stock. I thought it strange after all those rounds that it starts biting me now [laugh]
I don't think my grip can get much higher.
Quote from: Monsterlover on November 27, 2010, 06:41:35 AM
I took my 1911 to the range Thanksgiving day
I bet the rust is gone. :D
It isn't.
It will be today when I clean it ;D
Quote from: Monsterlover on November 27, 2010, 06:41:35 AM
I took my 1911 to the range Thanksgiving day and had a lot of fun :)
I only went through about 100 rounds but managed a couple targets with 2" groups (at 7yds) and that's the best i've done with this gun, so I was happy.
Got some hammer bite too. Not bad, but after probably 500-600 rounds through this gun this is the first time I've experienced it.
Anyway, I came to realize that gun does not fit well in my hand. I have big hand and can easily put the first joint of my index finger past the trigger.
I thought to myself that maybe I needed to check out something with a double stack magazine. This would also be an excuse to purchase another firearm :D
My wife and I stopped at the gun shop to fondle pistols yesterday.
Im wanting her to find something she's comfortable handling.
She ended up liking a S&W M&P compact 9mm the best -
(http://i41.tinypic.com/vo8s20.jpg)
Im really digging the Ruger SR9c compact 9mm. Great fit in my hand and it comes with a longer mag that allows a lot more grip as well as a shorter mag that's geared for carry.
(http://www.ammoland.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Ruger-SR9c-Compact-Pistol-brushed-stainless-11.jpg)
(http://www.gunreports.com/media/newspics/selector/Ruger-SR9C-KSR9C-3313-9mm-1right.jpg)
Does anyone have any experience with either of these? Im guessing they're quality brands as they're both major players in the firearms market but I've never owned anything from either of them.
Thoughts?
I fondled the Ruger before buying the Sig 250. Felt similar in heft and quality to the Sig. The thing that turned me off is the "Glock-like" trigger "safety".
See if you can get some range time on a DAO pistol. They take a lot of getting used to after shooting the Sig 228 and Glock 17. Probably would not have bought it had I tried it first.
Can you elaborate? You didn't buy the ruger and did buy the sig but had you tried the sig first you wouldn't have?
I just read up on DAO and im not sure the ruger fits that description.
Wikipedia says the trigger pull cocks and releases the firing pin each time.
The ruger is cocked when the slide is racked. You cab see the pin at the back of the slide.
Im not an expert though so im not certain on my description...
The Ruger has a similar action to the Kahr. Slide partial cocks the pin, trigger does the rest.
The slide partially cocks the pin and the trigger finishes cocking the pin? Or the slide does it all and the trigger just releases it?
Trigger finishes a full cock and then releases
Gotcha.
What's bad about that?
Nothin'. I have two Kahrs and love them
[thumbsup]
Quote from: Monsterlover on November 27, 2010, 10:54:18 AM
Can you elaborate? You didn't buy the ruger and did buy the sig but had you tried the sig first you wouldn't have?
I just read up on DAO and im not sure the ruger fits that description.
Wikipedia says the trigger pull cocks and releases the firing pin each time.
The ruger is cocked when the slide is racked. You cab see the pin at the back of the slide.
Im not an expert though so im not certain on my description...
It's been several months since I purchased the 250. I checked out the Ruger briefly before plunging down the $$ on the Sig.
I recall the trigger pull feeling hideous, assumed it was a dao but now realize its a striker system. Did a little research afterward and found that the mag has to be in the pistol in order to feel the actual travel/pull.
The Sig is at least consistent in its mile long travel. Need to practice a lot more with it......or sell it and be happy with my 228.
I see what you're saying now. Any pics of the sigs?
Quote from: ducatiz on November 23, 2010, 08:14:39 AM
it's like magic. like i said, i use anything to clean but when it comes time to lube and store, eezox all the way.
I ordered up a 4oz bottle of this stuff and some cleaning patches this morning.
[thumbsup]
I picked up a S&W M&P 9 compact last week from the local gun store. One thing I cannot recommend enough is getting a trigger kit from Apex Tactical. They have two kits: one for a sub 3lb pull and a 5lb pull for carry. Also, you can get grip extensions and use the 17-rd magazines from the full size m&p. I forget the name right now, I'll have to look when I get home.
As for the ruger sr9, it is probably one of the best values for a striker-fired pistol out there right now. I have the full size version, but both can be had in the $400-$425 range brand new. Look into Ghost Triggers for a new trigger bar to remove some over-travel and reduce pull weight.
I have yet to experience any sort of malfunction with either pistol. I have used basically every kind of ammo you can imagine including military surplus and reloads without fail.
Glenn
Cool!
Quote from: Snake on November 29, 2010, 04:12:13 AM
I have yet to experience any sort of malfunction with either pistol. I have used basically every kind of ammo you can imagine including military surplus and reloads without fail.
That's sort of my gold standard for how good a pistol is. I like the idea of glocks, but kaboom after kaboom has made me shy away from them.
Kaboom?
Quote from: Monsterlover on November 29, 2010, 05:11:23 AM
Kaboom?
A new phrase for your shooting vocabulary: "Glock Kaboom"
I had an AP9 kaboom on me, but fortunately I was wearing gloves and goggles and I had bought it at a gun show for 100 bucks. I still have the top end (metal) but the grip, etc disintegrated
Click here IF YOU DARE (http://www.google.com/images?q=glock+kaboom&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=sqrzTLe2BIT6lwf01oDQDA&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=4&ved=0CDsQsAQwAw&biw=1136&bih=725)
HO
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Shit balls!
I knew Glocks didn't like home loads but damn!
yeah, old Gaston Glock, being the Teutonic perfectionist, designed the chamber so that it isn't supported in the rear bottom. Reloads can be slightly problematic as they can stretch a bit making the wall thinner. Almost all guns have a fully supported chamber so it's not an issue for them. Just the Glocks (and I think the Springfield XD guns too, but I haven't looked closely).
It's an issue for any gun that fires out of battery as well.
I blew up a glock 21sf two years ago. If you are going to shoot a 45 glock, make sure you are using +P brass. The glock 45 has a huge unsupported area at the base of the case. When mine blew, the gun stayed locked up - it blew a semi-circle out of the unsupported area of the case, blew out the trigger, side of the frame and wrecked the mag. Exciting.
I was shooting new Starline brass and a hotter load that I had been shooting in my 1911's with no issues. I have had several failures with Starline brass so that may be part of the problem. Using brass with a heavier base construction may help.
Allow me to brag on myself a bit. I used to do a lot of long range rifle shooting. I co-authored a book on the topic and have an NRA Long Range Expert rating. I haven't been doing much shooting for the last few years due to time constraints, finances and a new hobby (Ducatis) I was down in West Texas a couple of weeks ago for work and took a couple days to go up and visit friends of mine that run a shooting school and range in Eastern New Mexico. I had one of my 300 Win sporters with me. One of my friend's ranges has steel targets from 400 to 1000 yards. I set up, dialed in my data and put a first round hit on a steel IPSC sized target at 1000 yards. Woohoo! I can still do it!
Alright - I'm done bragging now.
Quote from: ducatiz on November 29, 2010, 06:18:59 AM
Almost all guns have a fully supported chamber so it's not an issue for them. Just the Glocks (and I think the Springfield XD guns too, but I haven't looked closely).
I just took my XD apart and looked at it.
The underside of the chamber isn't
fully supported, but both the front and rear of it are.
Quote from: WarrenJ on November 29, 2010, 06:34:53 AM
Allow me to brag on myself a bit. I used to do a lot of long range rifle shooting. I co-authored a book on the topic and have an NRA Long Range Expert rating. I haven't been doing much shooting for the last few years due to time constraints, finances and a new hobby (Ducatis) I was down in West Texas a couple of weeks ago for work and took a couple days to go up and visit friends of mine that run a shooting school and range in Eastern New Mexico. I had one of my 300 Win sporters with me. One of my friend's ranges has steel targets from 400 to 1000 yards. I set up, dialed in my data and put a first round hit on a steel IPSC sized target at 1000 yards. Woohoo! I can still do it!
Alright - I'm done bragging now.
Whittington? Or elsewhere?
Nice shot! It's OK to brag on that one. [thumbsup]
Its a private school, straight West of Amarillo, out in the boonie rimrock country at the back of a dead end dirt road - nice!
In that direction from Amarillo they could put in a 10,000 yard range and still not bother anyone! [thumbsup] [popcorn] Nice to have lots of empty space. Good for gun ranges and race tracks. Think anyone around Miller in Utah is gonna complain about noise on raceday? [laugh]
Hope you had fun at your bud's place. Nothing like ringing steel! [thumbsup] Didn't you say you were friends with the Arntzen folks? Love their stuff. Wish I had more!!
Here's a cheap plug: http://www.arntzentargets.com/ (http://www.arntzentargets.com/)
They make nice stuff. My wife and I shot with Rob A. in the late '80s when they were first making targets. I have been shooting Biathlon with his brother the last couple of years. Good people. I think they made the biathlon target sets for us too.
I assume that's Robert in the website videos?
The last batch I got were the T520/AR500 steel targets and they are holding up much better than the AR400 targets I had in the past. Of course there is a good reason the older ones didn't "hold up" too well. The yahoos who ran the school I used to teach tactical/defense shotgun at would snatch my IPSC and Pepper Popper targets when I wasn't around and drag them over to the long gun ranges and tear them up with rifle rounds. I told the owner to leave my damn targets alone and don't let assholes shoot them with rifles. They were fine for pistol and shotgun only. Well, he just kept doing it anyway and the plates ended up with holes punched in them! Can you say f#@ked up targets? Can you also guess why I walked away and never went back? Bozos...
OK... back to gun stuff. ;D
Sorry to bust in off topic, but has anyone had any dealings with TriStar shotguns. I have a chance at a really good deal on an O/U Mag Hunter. It would be cool to have an over/under that would chamber 3 1/2's, but didn't want to drop $1300 on the Browning.
Quote from: psycledelic on December 01, 2010, 02:06:23 AM
Sorry to bust in off topic, but has anyone had any dealings with TriStar shotguns. I have a chance at a really good deal on an O/U Mag Hunter. It would be cool to have an over/under that would chamber 3 1/2's, but didn't want to drop $1300 on the Browning.
TriStar's OU shotguns are made by Huglu of Turkey and are a very good deal. The Turks have a LONG history of weapon/gun design and manufacture. You can go to gun shops in Istanbul and see stuff that never makes it over here -- they make some very fine looking weapons.
Century Arms used to import the Huglu shotguns and I handled one at a range that a friend brought. It functioned very well and the finish was excellent. They are not as ornate as the similar offerings from Beretta or Browning, but that's part of what you pay for. I would buy one.
There is also an official importer, HugluUSA. here is a review of a SxS shotgun
http://www.gunblast.com/HugluUSA.htm (http://www.gunblast.com/HugluUSA.htm)
***edit, Tristar sells shotguns from Turkey AND SPAIN. I am not familiar with the Spanish guns, but Spain also has a weapon tradition, although not as nice as Belgium's or Germany's. I would ask them where it's made. I would buy the Turk gun, but I'd want to look at the Spanish gun first. I have antique Spanish stuff that is awesome, but the modern stuff is so-so (Llama pistol anyone?)
I'd love to check those out. Never handled one before but you've peaked my interest. I'm a big o/u fan. Have several Winchester 101s and a few s/s Win 23s. Love them both. [thumbsup]
Most if not all of the shotguns marketed by CZ are made by Huglu also. They look pretty good. They are not a Beretta 686 but they don't cost like one either. I sort of like their lightweight over under - they are reasonably priced and handle good.
That is the main issue with shotguns - fit and feel is everything. Even if it is an off brand cheapy, but is reliable and fits the individual - its the tool for the job.
Quote from: WarrenJ on December 01, 2010, 11:17:03 AM
That is the main issue with shotguns - fit and feel is everything. Even if it is an off brand cheapy, but is reliable and fits the individual - its the tool for the job.
Exactly. Well said. [thumbsup]
What's the value of a Winchester 1866 Centennial 30-30? Absolutely perfect in every way, never been fired.
Quote from: Speedbag on December 04, 2010, 08:53:51 AM
What's the value of a Winchester 1866 Centennial 30-30? Absolutely perfect in every way, never been fired.
Book says about $800-850
At a gun show now
Anyone know about a stevens 350 12 gauge pump?
There's a new one here for 279 but I can't find this exact gun on the net. It looks well made but I didn't buy because I don't know anything about them.
There's a couple ruger sr9c's here [drool]
Should have mentioned this is a pump action, 18" barrel, 5+1, and I believe its a bead front sight only.
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 04, 2010, 10:52:58 AM
Should have mentioned this is a pump action, 18" barrel, 5+1, and I believe its a bead front sight only.
they are decent guns. no expandable tube, considered a budget gun, but still reliable.
Would I be right in feeling like for 280 & tax I could have an 870 for only another $50 or so?
And that would be better...
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 04, 2010, 11:03:28 AM
Would I be right in feeling like for 280 & tax I could have an 870 for only another $50 or so?
And that would be better...
870 has more aftermarket options available. it would be worth it to me. they are equally good shotguns out of the box, but the 870 has FAR more options available.
Just got a Henry Big Boy .357 lever today. Merry Christmas to me! :)
Quote from: Speedbag on December 04, 2010, 03:55:44 PM
Just got a Henry Big Boy .357 lever today. Merry Christmas to me! :)
Pics?
in the show off your guns thread of course.
These threads could merge...
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 04, 2010, 05:58:35 PM
These threads could merge...
Not really. [evil]
Once you buy that 870 you can post pics in the Show off thread.
Uh huh.
You have the power.
Abuse it.
Push the red button. You know you wanna.
Im right on the verge of talking myself into that ruger sr9c
I can't find anything bad about it online, it looks badass and fits my hand pretty well...
Don't do it. There, that's something bad.
I've also been told 9mm isn't enough to carry.
That it lacks stopping power.
I heard this from a 1911 lover. The guy that sold me mine and taught me to reload for it. I respect his knowledge of firearms quite a bit.
Im not sure about this though.
I know *I* wouldn't ever want to be hit with a 9mm
Im guessing most people would agree....
9mm will do the trick.
I figured
Quote from: humorless dp on December 04, 2010, 06:37:22 PM
Shot placement...right? ;D
Ding..Ding..make the beast with two backsing ding. ;)
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 04, 2010, 06:38:33 PM
Ding..Ding..make the beast with two backsing ding. ;)
I'm with Kev...
I'll fall down if you shoot me with one. ;D
Its not a popular caliber for no reason. I get that.
It would be cheaper if I stuck with .45 as I already load for that but I haven't come across any .45's I like
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 04, 2010, 06:46:28 PM
Its not a popular caliber for no reason. I get that.
It would be cheaper if I stuck with .45 as I already load for that but I haven't come across any .45's I like
www.stiguns.com (//http://)
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 04, 2010, 06:46:28 PM
Its not a popular caliber for no reason. I get that.
It would be cheaper if I stuck with .45 as I already load for that but I haven't come across any .45's I like
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 04, 2010, 06:48:52 PM
www.stiguns.com (//http://) (//http://) (//http://)
I'm feeling a nibble... [evil]
That's a lot of cheese for a pistol that can't give a blow job
Nice gun though
I just couldn't justify the cost
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 04, 2010, 06:56:52 PM
That's a lot of cheese for a pistol that can't give a blow job
Nice gun though
I just couldn't justify the cost
Which one there is about 30 of them. You get what you pay for, but then I guess if it spends 6 months
at a time sitting on the dresser, it really doesn't matter. :D
zing.... :P
No zing. He's right.
Im cool with it.
Im on my phone and im guessing that page didn't load right.
All that came up was a massive .45 for more than $2000
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 04, 2010, 07:07:18 PM
No zing. He's right.
Im cool with it.
Im on my phone and im guessing that page didn't load right.
All that came up was a massive .45 for more than $2000
When you get some time, even if your not in the market for an STI, check
all their stuff out. It's gun porn at it's finest. ;)
I found more...
Porn indeed
Those are *very* nice
I know you get what you pay for but is a $2000 pistol five times better than a $400 pistol (sti vs ruger for example)
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 04, 2010, 07:14:45 PM
I found more...
Porn indeed
Those are *very* nice
I know you get what you pay for but is a $2000 pistol five times better than a $400 pistol (sti vs ruger for example)
There are plenty of guns on that site (well not plenty) for under $2k. Yes of course they are that nice. If
you are at the Range and you spot someone shooting one, go ask him/her about it. I'm sure they would be
happy to let you shoot it.
Oh and please don't mention that other brand in the same sentence as STI. :D
What's wrong with R**er?
It brings STI down a level doesn't it?
:)
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 04, 2010, 07:32:09 PM
What's wrong with R**er?
It brings STI down a level doesn't it?
:)
:D
Wait...
Maybe STI brings Ruger *up* a level
:D
Quote from: Speedbag on December 04, 2010, 08:53:51 AM
What's the value of a Winchester 1866 Centennial 30-30? Absolutely perfect in every way, never been fired.
Ah, I have a '66 Centennial 30-30 Winchester new in the box, unfired with the octagonal barrel and gold accents but it's a 1966 gun not a 1866 gun. My Dad gave it to me in 1966. I have never fired it and have taken it out of the original sleeve maybe 8-10 times since 1966 to make sure it was OK and wipe it down with an oiled rag. As cool as it is it's not worth very much. It is to me since my late Dad gave it to me. That's worth more than money. My kid will get it next.
My buddy shoots an Sti, .45. The action is buttery teflon smooth. He has had some spring issues.....not sure which one.
It's sweet, but high maintenance. Kind of like the sbk of .45s.
With all the myths floating around about handgun "Stopping Power", I would recommend looking up a copy of Evan Marshall's book, "Handgun Stopping Power"
Mr. Marshall, a police officer, researched thousands of shootings, attended inquests and collated a vast amount of data from real world performance and developed a pretty good body of information on effectiveness on many calibers, bullet types and loads from actual shootings. He also compared his real world data with a number of common "stopping power" predictive models used by police and military agencys.
The information is quite illuminating and dispells a lot of myths. Worth reading.
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 04, 2010, 07:14:45 PM
I found more...
Porn indeed
Those are *very* nice
I know you get what you pay for but is a $2000 pistol five times better than a $400 pistol (sti vs ruger for example)
I think a lot depends on your intended use.
Guns can be likened to tools.
If you use a torque wrench one every 6 months in your garage it's difficult to justify getting a top of the line Snappy. If you use it every day to make your living it becomes much easier.
If you go to the range a few times a year your $400 pistol will probably suit you just fine if it eats and spits out everything you feed it. If you depend on a pistol for more it would be easy to justify the added cost.
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 04, 2010, 07:07:18 PM
No zing. He's right.
Im cool with it.
Im on my phone and im guessing that page didn't load right.
All that came up was a massive .45 for more than $2000
STI make awesome guns
I have a phillipino made 1911 imported in the 90s by PAC that I've run about a jillion rounds thru. it has a GI finish -- not a looker.
but it works flawlessly.
spent $225 for it.. in 1995
Theres a reason the 1911 design is still around
It works pretty well
I love my sistema. Its probably a 7 or 8/10ths gun on the outside. With a good mag it feeds my home loads quite well.
Not the most accurate gun ever. My best group is probably 3"
On the other hand, being a military gun, its had more than a few rounds through it since it was born in the early 40's
The fun thing about 1911's is that they are so easy to work on. They do need maintenance and new parts from time to time but parts are easy to come by and reasonably priced. There is such a body of knowledge out there on any issue of 1911 performance that any problem can be diagnosed rapidly and usually fixed. Keep them lubed and replace the recoil springs every 2000 rounds or so, keep an eye on barrel bushing wear and fit and they just keep working.
My main 1911 I got probably 4th hand. I shot IPSC, Second Chance, IDPA, 3-Gun and carried it with me on a daily basis for the last 22 years. The blue is completely worn off, its went through 2 barrels, innumerable recoil springs, a couple of extractors, a mainspring, a couple sets of grips and North of a quarter of a million rounds of 45 ACP. My hands know that pistol like my toungue knows the back of my teeth.
That being said, I think there are better guns out there for casual users or people not interested in understanding how their gun works. I typically steer new shooters to the 9mm glock due to their extreme reliability, simplicity and tolerance of abuse. (plus they don't blow up as often as the 45 glocks do)
Monsterlover check out the Auto Ordnance 1911s. I think their "GI" model comes in around 600. AO is owned by Kahr and they use the same CNC machines to cut the components and then are hand fitted. Very high quality but not in the same class as a Kimber, Wilson or the aforementioned STI.
Good post WarrenJ. Glocks are a favorite of mine but my love is 1911s. I have more than I deserve. I have a couple of STIs, one .40 one .45acp. Wilsons, Baers, Kimbers, gunsmith tuned Springfields and Colts (model 70s and 80s). Commander length, Officer length and lots of 5" Govt. models. Even a couple of Colt 9mm Commanders. I was raised on them as a kid (along with Hi-Powers) so single action pistols are second nature to me. They certainly are not for everyone and every circumstance but thankfully there are tons of other well made pistols in many calibers out there to check out.
The Marshall book on stopping power is a good one. [thumbsup] We could have a 20+ page thread about that subject. My only comment would regard shot placement. That would be #1 in my book of self defense. Caliber/stopping power an obvious close #2. But then again... I'm a shotgun kind of guy anyway. ;D A scattergun does kind of limit you to just home/business defense.
Half the fun of trying to find that perfect carry/defense pistol is in the search! [laugh] [popcorn] [bacon]
In reference to glocks and custom 1911's - glocks are tools whereas a custom 1911 is a piece of personal weaponry - its like having a soulless Universal Japanese Motorcycle for transportation or having a wonderful, thundering, fit-like-a-glove, Ducati.
Good analogy.
I have Jap sbks that I really like to ride. They are 100% reliable, need little to no maintenance and all they want is gas, oil, tires and insurance. But they are not Ducatis, Aprillas or MV Agustas. Sure they are fun, affordable, etc. but they are very Honda lawn mower-like. That being said, I love my Honda lawn mower too but it's doesn't make me love doing yard work and I damn sure don't spend hours staring at it in the garage or detailing it after I have used it. [laugh] That's reserved for the Ducs. [thumbsup] [moto] [beer]
I enjoy shooting my Glocks but I love shooting a favorite 1911. ;D
Recoil springs only last 2000 rounds? ???
Hot .45s can be hard on stock 16lb. recoil springs. (I think stock is 16??? [bang]) Eighteen or 20lb. springs hold up very well to stock ball/defense loads and can last a good while. I've had no problems with 20 pounders regarding cycling, recoil and longevity. Changing recoil springs on auto pistols is just a way of life. No biggie. [thumbsup]
What's the advantage to a heavier spring?
Less recoil?
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 05, 2010, 06:42:03 PM
Yes
Wouldn't it also cause the slide to slam back to battery?
Quote from: humorless dp on December 05, 2010, 06:45:40 PM
Wouldn't it also cause the slide to slam back to battery?
It will. It slows the slide up during recoil as well. You can go with too strong of a spring, so
you need to find what works best.
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 05, 2010, 06:48:59 PM
It will. It slows the slide up during recoil as well. You can go with too strong of a spring, so
you need to find what works best.
That was my point.
The recoil spring needs to be matched to the load/pistol, not necessarily the shooters preference.
Quote from: humorless dp on December 05, 2010, 06:52:20 PM
That was my point.
The recoil spring needs to be matched to the load/pistol, not necessarily the shooters preference.
Correct. I have a tackle box full of those make the beast with two backsers. ;)
Yep, kopf's right. [thumbsup] You can go over board (on 1911s and other autos) and use higher rated springs that would only be good for damn hot plus p hand loads. Which would be overkill on normal loads. In my world the 20lb. spring upgrade over stock on most 1911s has handled every common load I have thrown at it. Commercial ball loads as well as old school Hydra-Shok and Corbon defense loads. Choosing the right recoil spring on any auto is just part of "tuning" the gun based on what ammo is fired.
When we shot the 2nd Chance bowling pin shoot, I usually ran a real heavy 22-24 lb spring. We were shooting 255 grain bullets with LOTS of Unique. My standard, major powerfactor IPSC loads with 200grain HG 68's ran well with 20 lb springs. I always felt that the heavier spring also helped a lumpy reload get into battery once in a while.
There you go. [thumbsup] Matching spring weight to ammo proof. No different than than matching the springs on your front and rear scooter boingers for your weight and riding style. Same same. ;D
Quote from: WarrenJ on December 05, 2010, 07:16:08 PM
When we shot the 2nd Chance bowling pin shoot, I usually ran a real heavy 22-24 lb spring. We were shooting 255 grain bullets with LOTS of Unique. My standard, major powerfactor IPSC loads with 200grain HG 68's ran well with 20 lb springs. I always felt that the heavier spring also helped a lumpy reload get into battery once in a while.
Whats a lumpy reload?
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 05, 2010, 08:47:34 PM
Whats a lumpy reload?
Most likely he is talking about a round with a low powder count. The worst case being a squib round.
January Steel Squib round (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fccZymHoWmw#normal)
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 05, 2010, 08:58:38 PM
Most likely he is talking about a round with a low powder count. The worst case being a squib round.
Or one where the brass has been reloaded so many times that it is a touch out of shape, and requires a stronger spring to drive it home, and into battery. Scary though, as that case is not longer within spec, and should not be used any longer.
How does that happen?
I load .45acp and the dies bring the brass back into shape. Case failure normally is at the mouth where it splits. Work hardening over time from the crimp.
All the bad brass I have, other than that, is from ejection issues.
Just from cases being overused, re-loaded too many times. I used to only re-use a case once (twice if I was loading them light) back in the day when I re-loaded.
Huh.
Im of the opinion that straight wall cases last almot forever.
Till they split from the crimp at least.
Quote from: WarrenJ on December 05, 2010, 08:35:02 AM
In reference to glocks and custom 1911's - glocks are tools whereas a custom 1911 is a piece of personal weaponry - its like having a soulless Universal Japanese Motorcycle for transportation or having a wonderful, thundering, fit-like-a-glove, Ducati.
In the, save my ass category, I will take the one that cranks all the time.
Soulless can be a good charactaristic for a gun at times.
Quote from: psycledelic on December 06, 2010, 04:28:11 AM
In the, save my ass category, I will take the one that cranks all the time.
Soulless can be a good charactaristic for a gun at times.
Never a problem for a good 1911
Kaboom!
(http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/attachments/powder-keg/7889d1205106870-glock-kaboom-glock03.jpg)
(http://www.pishtov.com/Glock/PicG-g22boom.jpg)
(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm286/pocock25/05-22-08_1409.jpg)
Knock on wood, thankfully I have never had that happen to any hand gun or been around when it happened to someone else. [thumbsup] Reason #1 to always wear safety glasses when shooting! That dude's hand will heal but losing an eye to flying Glock parts would suck big time. :P
Fortunately when my glock blew, the barrel and slide stayed locked up. It blew the right side of the frame out and blew out the trigger and trashed the mag. The side of my right index finger was numb for a couple of days but it didn't break the skin. Pretty lucky.
As far as lumpy reloads - when loading cast bullets, you can get a little rim of bullet lube or sliver of lead on the edge of the casemouth that can cause problems. Semi auto pistol brass can also get lumpy at the web of the case where the resizing die does not get to. This can happen with well used brass and/or with +p loads. After learning the hard way 20+ years ago about 45 Auto reloading snags, I gage every round that is to be used for match shooting and relegate the fails to the practice bucket. This gives you some good, real world practice at clearing jams. I usually load 1000 - 2000 rounds at a crack, so gaging each individual round is a significant time committment.
Damn, those pictures suck. That guy is lucky his finger is still attached.
Quote from: ducatiz on December 06, 2010, 05:12:26 AM
Never a problem for a good 1911
I know.
I usually shoot with my father-in-law, who is a diehard .45acp & 1911 loyalist. Since I am partial to Glocks and 10mm, we always end up talking shit to each other before the day is done. Good for the relationship. I like shooting his Kimbers, but I'm sure not gonna let him know it. I might make him proud one day. A Delta Elite is on my short list.
I've seen 2 1911's have power disassemblies. Both of them from firing out of battery. This can happen if dirt or something makes the disconnector stick or if you are just having a bad day. In the one instance, it blew the grips off, blew the mag out of the gun and pushed the bullets into the case of the top three rounds in the mag, bulged both sides of the slide. The base of the case blew off and came back and hit me in the middle of the chest, leaving a nice round welt and burn. I was about 10 feet behind and slightly to the right of the shooter. His hands were all black and very sore but he wasn't bleeding.
1911's are great, but they are not magical. They are mechanical devices and they will occasionally fail.
Of course!
But those stories are few and far between compared to glocks and the metal frame means lower incidence of injury.
That being said, I have a 3rd gen G17 but only use factory ammo and no +P
Someone just gave me a big pile of 9mm range brass - mostly once fired. As I was sorting through it, I found a nice 9mm case with the characteristic rectangular glock firing pin hit with a blown out sidewall. I have no way of knowing if it was a reload or +p but it still doesn't give me a warm IZ_ feeling. I really like my 19 but after seeing that case and having my 21 come apart, I am not as comfortable as I would like to be with it.
All I know is that I have dumped a lot of shit through my 9mm Glocks over the years and can't even remember a jam or stove pipe. That's Norinco, Blazer, Euro surplus corrosive shit, Fed, Win, Rem, Cor-Bon and maybe a big double handful of my brother's re-loads. Anything can happen to anyone at any time no matter what it is you are doing. That's a fact. Doo doo happens. Even though I am a dyed in the wool 1911 .45acp kind of guy I still have plenty of faith in grabbing my Glock in time of need or just screwing around at the range.
... now watch the SOB explode on me next time I fire it! [laugh]
Post pics ;D
Quote from: WarrenJ on December 07, 2010, 01:13:10 PM
(http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz306/LooseCannon_10/Glock21.jpg)
Here is an all-in-one photo - aforementioned glock 21, blown 9mm brass and blown 45 acp brass.
unsupported cartridge-itis. youch.
Damn! :o
My Remington 597, in .17 HMR, went Kaboom on me a couple years ago.
I was shooting with my 6 year old son, he handed me the rifle after emptying a magazine. I loaded a fresh mag. The second shot exploded driving the magazine down onto my palm and blew the bolt off.......I never found the bolt.
Shortly thereafter the rifles were recalled for similar malfuntions.
Damn
And its not like remington is an off brand either...
Anyone see the report on the Remington 700 series regarding the rifle firing by touching the safety?
Seriously?
700's have been around a while too
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 07, 2010, 04:25:53 PM
Seriously?
700's have been around a while too
Been a problem since the first ones. There was/is a fix too, but Remmington has never implemented it. Lawsuit-ville time cause there have been deaths and serious injuries from it.
mitt
Quote from: humorless dp on December 07, 2010, 04:24:14 PM
Anyone see the report on the Remington 700 series regarding the rifle firing by touching the safety?
Never seen that and I have been shooting them since
The early 80's. Easy fix though. No reason to carry a bolt gun on safe, just do a bolt over ride.
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 07, 2010, 06:53:36 PM
Never seen that and I have been shooting them since
The early 80's. Easy fix though. No reason to carry a bolt gun on safe, just do a bolt over ride.
¿Qué?
I also have similar Rem 700 issues. I have a Rem 700 PSS in .223. I loaned it to my brother last year and he and his boys went to our family cabin near Cimarron, NM to go shooting at the NRA Whittington Center in Raton, NM. My brother said the boys were complaining about how light the trigger was and how it would seem to go off by just thinking about it. My stupid brother didn't check it out and just blew off the boys comments.
I asked to get it back and before he returned it my brother checked it out to make sure it was cleaned and safe. He told me how he discovered that the boys were right and the trigger seemed to be set at one ounce and the firing pin would fall by just working the safety or the bolt! Huh?? WTF?? It never ever did that the whole time I have owned it!
I got it back and no shit it was all true! You could breath on the trigger and it would snap. Working the safety to retract the bolt it would snap! Hell working the bolt into or out of battery would also make it snap! I can't believe his kids didn't have an AD just unloading/loading the gun. Holy shit! Couldn't get it into the hands of my gunsmith fast enough. He told me all about the Rem 700 horror stories and I had no idea. It's been going on for decades and obviously Remington has kept it quiet. A google search told me all I needed to know. Ugh... [bang]
It seems to be fine now but I will never loan it out again to family or friends. And I will always be extra careful every time I handle or shoot it. Scary shit!
Quote from: humorless dp on December 07, 2010, 07:01:05 PM
¿Qué?
Push the bullets down in the mag and run the bolt forward
Running the bolt forward or retracting it would set off the sear and it would snap. Rounds in the chamber or not... the gun didn't care. Of course I would never try it with a round chambered anyway. I watched the gunsmith go throught the same drills in front of me with a couple of gun shop customers and it did it every time. Even working the safety snapped the sear. Again, I can now see where all the damn lawsuits against Remington are coming from. Why the hell these problems have existed for decades is beyond me. Stupid shit and scary shit. :o
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 07, 2010, 07:03:43 PM
Push the bullets down in the mag and run the bolt forward
OK...you could also insert the mag with the bolt closed I suppose.
but the general public doesn't know that there are issues with the rifle, and remington has kept it quiet since before the gun went into production.
They had an interview with the designer of the rifle that figured out that poor manufacturing tolerances could cause issues and re-designed it. Remington said no because of cost considerations. At the time it was 5 cents per unit.
I forget how many people have died because of AD's
Not an inserted mag on the 700
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 07, 2010, 07:17:19 PM
Not an inserted mag on the 700
You should know by now I'm stoopit. ;D
Ah... too damn many have died or been injured. That's for sure! I love the rifle and never had these problems before and I know my brother and his sons didn't do anything to cause this. They know their gun shit. It just happened on their watch. I'm just glad my brother and nephews didn't get shot while loading or unloading the rifle. Although I also know it would have been pointed in a safe direction. Still... [roll]
My PSS is in .308. Haven't had any issues but will check it out thoroughly.
I like the 3 position safety that's on my Model 70. Superior product imo.
Ok, how the make the beast with two backs are people getting killed. That would mean
The gun was pointed at someone, why in gods name is that happening. [bang]
Remington has recently offered another safety option that I believe incorporates a firing pin block.
They still offer the original design also.
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 07, 2010, 07:25:27 PM
Ok, how the make the beast with two backs are people getting killed. That would mean
The gun was pointed at someone, why in gods name is that happening. [bang]
You're not wrong D
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 07, 2010, 07:25:27 PM
Ok, how the make the beast with two backs are people getting killed. That would mean
The gun was pointed at someone, why in gods name is that happening. [bang]
Yeah, there is a mechanical problem but I have to agree with you. WTF? That's why I know my rifle was not being pointed in an unsafe direction with my brother around. His boys damn sure know better because of him and me! But you also know that even if some duffus caps a round into friend or family member and they find out there is a potential gun problem they will always sue the maker. "Yeah sure, I was pointing at my buddy in the blind but it just went off. Wasn't my fault!" Can't cure stupid. But still, why has the problem even existed this long. Why has Remington even given yahoos a chance to AD a 700 all these years?
The first words out of my mouth when I give my range safety brief are...
Know the condition of your weapon at all times, and
Never let your weapon point at anything you are not willing to destroy
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 07, 2010, 07:41:23 PM
The first words out of my mouth when I give my range safety brief are...
Know the condition of your weapon at all times, and
Never let your weapon point at anything you are not willing to destroy
QuoteHomer: It's a handgun! Isn't it great? This is the trigger, and this is the thing you point at whatever you want to die.
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 07, 2010, 07:41:23 PM
The first words out of my mouth when I give my range safety brief are...
Know the condition of your weapon at all times, and
Never let your weapon point at anything you are not willing to destroy
No shit brother!! [thumbsup]
[evil]
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 07, 2010, 07:17:19 PM
Not an inserted mag on the 700
What's this for?
http://www.cdnninvestments.com/re70027demag.html (http://www.cdnninvestments.com/re70027demag.html)
[evil]
Quote from: rgramjet on December 07, 2010, 08:07:20 PM
[evil]
What's this for?
http://www.cdnninvestments.com/re70027demag.html (http://www.cdnninvestments.com/re70027demag.html)
[evil]
Well I have only ever used the internal mag built into the gun. I don't know why you would need anything else
Me neither. Of course my only Rem 700s were a .308 PSS that I sold to a friend and the current .223 PSS. No detachable magazines on my rifles. Maybe that's why it says .270 and .30-06. And the only .30-06 I have is a Garand and my Dad's pre-64 Winchester model 70... no detachable mag either.
I know Charlie at cdnn in Abilene, maybe I'll call him and ask.
I guess it's possible that it is the internal mag, to be used for damage repair. (?)
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 07, 2010, 08:19:16 PM
Well I have only ever used the internal mag built into the gun. I don't know why you would need anything else
5 or 10 rounds vs 3 (308). Easier reloading.
http://www.surgeonrifles.com/products/accessories/?module=products&product_id=154 (http://www.surgeonrifles.com/products/accessories/?module=products&product_id=154)
If you need more than 3 with that style of rifle, then you need to find another job.
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 07, 2010, 08:44:33 PM
I guess it's possible that it is the internal mag, to be used for damage repair. (?)
Remington offers a DM (detachable magazine) series. I like the concept, easy and quick loading/unloading while hunting.
Wow, I didn't know that about the model 700. Haven't they been making it since the early 60's?
In college I picked up a Remington Sportsman 78 in 30.06. It's the no frills version of the 700. It does have the 700 internals but the stock is very simple. On a college income it was perfect.
I wanted to get a Marlin 30.30. The guys at the gun store talked me into the 30.06. It was the round to have back then. Of course I needed the 3x9 scope. And to top it off they recommended the 240 grain bullets. All this for 80 lbs. deer hunting in the dense woods of the Catskills.
Every deer I ever saw or shot was within 40 yards. And I had a 200 yard gun. When the deer were hit the bullet never got a chance to do it's intended task (but it did get the job done.) I eventually stepped down to a 140 grain round. It helped.
I've always hated the round. If you go to the range don't expect to shot boxes of rounds. Your shoulder will hate you. When you shot it everyone knows your shooting.
I should have gotten a shotgun with a rifled barrel. You live and you learn.
Quote from: ducatiz on December 08, 2010, 04:19:53 AM
If you need more than 3 with that style of rifle, then you need to find another job.
Guess it all depends on what you're hunting...and where.
I looked it up and the 700 series has been made since 1962. It was patterned after the 721/722 and they were made in 1948. I thought the 700 started after WWII but it was the 721/722 series. If I remember right I believe I read where those earlier rifles had similar problems that continue to this day. WTF?
Quote from: Dannyboy on December 08, 2010, 07:18:43 AM
Guess it all depends on what you're hunting...and where.
maybe. but it's a bolt rifle. followup shots aren't as quick and if you have correct ammo and proper glass, then it's all operator.
if you need more than one shot, then you may need a different rifle.
Quote from: ducatiz on December 08, 2010, 08:28:30 AM
maybe. but it's a bolt rifle. followup shots aren't as quick and if you have correct ammo and proper glass, then it's all operator.
if you need more than one shot, then you may need a different rifle.
I get ya. I'm just referring to military use.
Look at AI, Sako, even Remington with the new M24/XM2010. They're all box mags.
Accuracy Int'l. makes some really nice shit! [thumbsup] If I was into long range stuff I'd find a way to afford one.
Quote from: Dannyboy on December 08, 2010, 08:44:42 AM
I get ya. I'm just referring to military use.
Look at AI, Sako, even Remington with the new M24/XM2010. They're all box mags.
same here.
Quote from: oldfastwin on December 08, 2010, 08:48:56 AM
Accuracy Int'l. makes some really nice shit! [thumbsup] If I was into long range stuff I'd find a way to afford one.
Check out the current Savage 110BA. Has a lot of the features of the AI guns and comes in a LOT cheaper.
A shooting buddy told me recently that Savage has really stepped it up. I'll have to check one out. At least it wouldn't have the Rem 700 issues. [bang] ;D
The same is true of my 1911s. I have some basically stock Kimbers that shoot just as well as my Les Baers, at least in my hands. The Baers are great guns, very well made and worth the asking price but I personally can't shoot any better with them. I just wanted to own them... and shoot them! ;D
Long range shooting is just like riding motorcycles. You're right, it's about the person and their ability. Sure some bikes, rifles and pistols are better than others but it always comes down to the human involved. Rossi would lap me even if he was on a Vespa! [laugh]
Driving to the range in your vehicle and unloading all your kit, to set up and shoot a match, is totally
different than doing a drop off, or leave behind mission. Where you may be on glass for several days
to weeks. Eating, sleeping, shitting etc. in some type of a hide site.
The longest leave behind I had was 2 days and that was enough. It was 99 in the shade. I drank about a gallon an hour an would piss a teacup once every 12 hours.
That's a long time ago.
Put some reloading goodies on my Christmas list
RCBS taper crimp carbide die set, 9mm x 19
Shell holder
Brass
bullets
Partridge
Pear tree
(well, not those last two, but I will need something to shoot at :D )
All gun BS goes here! [laugh]
Ill never comply!!
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] I probably won't either but I'll try. ;D
I think you're both full of shit. ;D
Of course we are, duh!!! Haven't I said that already? Pretty obvious. ;D Hey, but I'm trying. [roll]
Im not trying
;D
My old Stevens Model 94 finally failed to kick off a shell the other day
she's old
I thought early 70's but the knowledge of the internet says that model was produced between 1926 and 1945
(I hesitate to believe that)
I'm going to have to look into this new fangled round you youngsters always talk about
the 12g?
Its what all the cool kids have now
;D
This is a hook from the "show your guns" thread. Anyone want to go off on the old AR platform vs the M4 that everyone wants to have? I have both so I have little to say other than I like all of them. Is there a bad AR gun? Like is there a bad FAL? Say your peace... ;D
I own neither.
Unfortunately.
Ill be in the other thread.
Merge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No merge!!! One humorless mod having a bad day, one off color comment and all gun content is GONE! F that!
Long live the two gun threads!!
edit: Forgot the ;D. It has a calming effect Ive found.....
;D
Quote from: oldfastwin on December 17, 2010, 09:03:08 PM
This is a hook from the "show your guns" thread. Anyone want to go off on the old AR platform vs the M4 that everyone wants to have? I have both so I have little to say other than I like all of them. Is there a bad AR gun? Like is there a bad FAL? Say your peace... ;D
Yes. There is a really make the beast with two backsing stupid AR type gun... the ones with 11" barrels, but to comply with the NFA they WELD on a 5.5" "flash suppressor" so the barrel is legally 16.5 inches... totally negating the purpose (and a very limited one that it is) of having an 11" barrel on an AR. Want a short-barreled AR? Don't wanna play with the NFA taxes on SBR's? Get an AR based pistol.
Kinda like this FN [bang]
(https://lh5.ggpht.com/_om0JErZHvOU/SYj44p2eGXI/AAAAAAAABbE/DYrf82s7rgk/s800/PS90.jpg)
No need to worry about having a short barreled AR.
But the FN F2000 isn't a bad piece of kit...
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/96/FN_F2000_S.jpg/800px-FN_F2000_S.jpg)
SBR length, with full barrel accuracy. Mmmmmm
I have yet to shoot one. It is a funky looking creature!
Quote from: rgramjet on December 17, 2010, 09:27:40 PM
No merge!!! One humorless mod having a bad day, one off color comment and all gun content is GONE! F that!
Long live the two gun threads!!
edit: Forgot the ;D. It has a calming effect Ive found.....
;D
I like that idea.
Then when you make the beast with two backs up I can kill two threads. ;D
The grin does have a calming effect. :-*
[laugh]
Quote from: Punx Clever on December 17, 2010, 10:17:27 PM
Yes. There is a really make the beast with two backsing stupid AR type gun... the ones with 11" barrels, but to comply with the NFA they WELD on a 5.5" "flash suppressor" so the barrel is legally 16.5 inches... totally negating the purpose (and a very limited one that it is) of having an 11" barrel on an AR. Want a short-barreled AR? Don't wanna play with the NFA taxes on SBR's? Get an AR based pistol.
You're right. I have never figured that one out. Why bother? I suppose some douche might figure a way to get the brazed on suppressor off the barrel and be all macho and shit with his illegal SBR. But why? What does 11" do that 16" can't? Wait for it..... wait.... that's what she said!! [laugh] Couldn't pass that up. [laugh]
Anyone can legally buy a 10-11-12 inch barreled upper with no required paperwork. No brazing needed.
If you mount it onto an unregistered lower though, its a felony.
Sure. But why does a manufacturer even offer a 10", 11", etc. barrelled AR if it just has to have a long un-removeable flash suppressor to make it a legal 16" rifle? What's the point? That would be like Remington making an 870 with a 14" barrel and sticking an un-removeable 4" extended choke tube on it so they could sell it to anyone. Me no understand. [bang]
Quote from: oldfastwin on December 18, 2010, 09:26:36 AM
Sure. But why does a manufacturer even offer a 10", 11", etc. barrelled AR if it just has to have a long un-removeable flash suppressor to make it a legal 16" rifle? What's the point? That would be like Remington making an 870 with a 14" barrel and sticking an un-removeable 4" extended choke tube on it so they could sell it to anyone. Me no understand. [bang]
I can't explain that. People buy whatever tickles their tickler.
I have seen shotguns with a breaching type muzzle device that is essentially a barrel extension. You can keep the legal 18" length and have a device on the end. I dunno
Me neither. Of course I don't know anyone who owns an 11" AR with the required brazed on muzzle break/flash hider so I have no one to ask why they got it. ??? I'd like to hear their answer if I ever have the chance to ask. Not that owning one makes you stupid or something but I'd like to know what spun their prop about it to go that route over a standard 16" or 20". Just wondering.
You guys know as well as I do that sometimes the price is just too good to let it go...
That's one explanation at least.
As good as any other. [thumbsup]
Like tizz said, you can buy any barrel length you want. Iiiegal (?) who gives a shit, no one will know, or care for that matter.
several people I know have them
the ranges of reasons include:
"the recent election sent the AR's up to 1500+, this one was 850"
"It's a home defense gun so no reason to engage anyone out at 300+yrds"
"this one had the standard sight post and handle"
in this area its more about whats available on the shelf
Quote from: Mother on December 18, 2010, 10:59:44 AM
"the recent election sent the AR's up to 1500+, this one was 850"
I can understand this reasoning, but then it's not looking for the 11" barrel. It's looking for a deal.
Quote
"It's a home defense gun so no reason to engage anyone out at 300+yrds"
Doesn't make sense... in terms of a LEGAL gun, it would still have the extra length, so any advantages that the 11" would have on size are lost, plus less accuracy, plus a more troublesome gas system.
Quote
"this one had the standard sight post and handle"
Is it really that hard to find an A2 spec'd AR-15 where you are?
The 11 inch barrel will easily reach out to 400yds. Much further if you train a lot.
The lower cost makes sense I suppose.
Quote from: Punx Clever on December 18, 2010, 11:05:32 AM
Doesn't make sense... in terms of a LEGAL gun, it would still have the extra length, so any advantages that the 11" would have on size are lost, plus less accuracy, plus a more troublesome gas system.
the comment is in regards to the fact that the gun would be used for short range so the lack of 5 inches of rifling was no big loss
also
the gas system is of no issue as it wont be used to fire several thousands of rounds, maybe 200-300 a year
Quote from: Punx Clever on December 18, 2010, 11:05:32 AM
Is it really that hard to find an A2 spec'd AR-15 where you are?
yep, if you are looking to get a gun off the rack it is
most of them are flat tops
finding a carbine length A2 with a non-tele stock is a rare find
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 18, 2010, 11:11:19 AM
The 11 inch barrel will easily reach out to 400yds. Much further if you train a lot.
so will my .22 but hitting anything at that range without real training, constant practice, and a scope isn't going to happen for the average citizen
^^ well why have it if your not gonna train. My point really was that the short barrel will work easily from 300 and in, without a scope. Eotech, Aimpoint etc will work just fine at those distances.
I've never bought more than a barreled upper off the shelf. ARs are too easy to build.
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 18, 2010, 11:36:18 AM
^^ well why have it if your not gonna train. My point really was that the short barrel will work easily from 300 and in, without a scope. Eotech, Aimpoint etc will work just fine at those distances.
Time, money, range availability, and lack of a trainer/knowledge are the reasons most folk I know don't "train"
they just go shoot potatoes in the pit that is roughly 90yrds
but
they all have AR's/M-14's/G3's that they own "in case"
same way they all have lifted trucks and mud tires that only see the highway
Guess it's been a long time since I've been looking for AR stuff then. I remember as a kid just itching for the money to get a flattop upper receiver for my fixed stock 16" lightweight. Oh how the times have changed.
Quote from: Mother on December 18, 2010, 12:05:28 PM
Time, money, range availability, and lack of a trainer/knowledge are the reasons most folk I know don't "train"
they just go shoot potatoes in the pit that is roughly 90yrds
Not having these things is not a reason to waste the time available shooting at potatoes. With limited range time, you need to make the most of it. [thumbsup]
Quote from: Punx Clever on December 18, 2010, 12:25:31 PM
Guess it's been a long time since I've been looking for AR stuff then. I remember as a kid just itching for the money to get a flattop upper receiver for my fixed stock 16" lightweight. Oh how the times have changed.
I've never been a big fan of the collapsible stock. I really like the way the 16" barreled ARs handle but most of mine have fixed stocks. I only have one with a collapsible stock. I've thought about swapping it for a fixed but have just been too lazy. It's not that I hate shooting it, it's a great shooter! I just don't have a need to shorten the length for storage and I don't wear a thick bullet proof vest so there's no reason to adjust stock length. The rifle just came that way. It was a good price at the time and I figured I would swap it out some day or trade it to a friend for their fixed stock. Oh well, still might happen some day.
That little Sporter Lightweight steered me away from my 20" barrel H-bars all those years ago.
Quote from: Punx Clever on December 17, 2010, 10:17:27 PM
Yes. There is a really make the beast with two backsing stupid AR type gun... the ones with 11" barrels, but to comply with the NFA they WELD on a 5.5" "flash suppressor" so the barrel is legally 16.5 inches... totally negating the purpose (and a very limited one that it is) of having an 11" barrel on an AR. Want a short-barreled AR? Don't wanna play with the NFA taxes on SBR's? Get an AR based pistol.
Who actually sells these? I've seen plenty of 14.5" bbls with pinned flash suppressors, to make them legal, but none like you describe.
I've seen them in ahotgun news. Not many. Usually just as a barreled upper and as "NFA only".
I knew I had seen em. Thanks for the bushy link.
Slag here,
The shorter uppers are also compatible with with the AR pistols. If you have a 10" upper and a pistol lower than you are good. It is not advisable to have an upper less than 16" without having an AR pistol or an SBR stamp. Just because it isn't built doesn't mean you are legal.
On a side note, why does old fastwin post so so much in the pic thread, but has never posted a pic? AeroGeek likes these threads, and does not want to see them go.
You'd need a camera to post a pic. I don't do cameras. I, like others, need to keep our BS over here. We're trying. [thumbsup]
One could post pics here though. Right?
Absolutely! There's no reason you can't put pics on this thread. Just don't steal good pics from zzilla's thread. Post 'em on both and BS about 'em over here. I'm sure some folks would rather just see the pics and not wade through the discussions.
Just my 2 cents.
Id rather see a discussion about every gun pic.. but that's just me.. I like to learn about everything I could. That way when I start my gun collection ill be more knowledgeable.
I could not have said it better myself!!
Quote from: cokey on December 19, 2010, 10:46:46 AM
Id rather see a discussion about every gun pic.. but that's just me.. I like to learn about everything I could. That way when I start my gun collection ill be more knowledgeable.
No one said you couldn't discuss a pic. You can fawn all over someone's gun if you must.
The idea is to keep irrelevant chatter out of the pic thread.
Say someone posts a pic...there's no reason not to ask questions/comment, but....
general discussion about tactical lights or skwerrals shouldn't be there.
The problem is that discussion always devolves.
I call this forum wide phenomenon "DP's Razor"
;D
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 19, 2010, 11:38:30 AM
The problem is that discussion always devolves.
I call this forum wide phenomenon "DP's Razor"
;D
Actually you call it...
IB4TL. :-*
There's no reason that the discussion needs to devolve.
Even you kids have
some self control.
Call it as in lock or not?
Of course don't.
On a gun related note I saw some new CZ pistols at a gun show yesterday. Not bad looking. I've never seen any other that older models before. The gun mags must not like them.
All I bought was a brick of 500 22lr for $15 which I didn't think was a bad deal.
I'm playing to a certain extent...what extent depends on you guys.
I think that's a decent price. What brand?
I've been using Aguila 40gr subsonics out of my single shot.
They're twice that.
Too many people have glock fever. ;)
Quote from: humorless dp on December 19, 2010, 12:21:49 PM
Too many people have glock fever. ;)
Meh. I've got an older model 19 that I'd be happy to sell you. ;)
Quote from: DRKWNG on December 19, 2010, 12:25:49 PM
Meh. I've got an older model 19 that I'd be happy to sell you. ;)
Thanks...I'll pass. I'm a dinosaur, and believe a firearm should be steel.
You don't happen to have a cz 82 or DUO by chance? ;D
Blazer 40 grain
id say they'd normally be about $20 at the at a store
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 19, 2010, 12:08:47 PM
On a gun related note I saw some new CZ pistols at a gun show yesterday. Not bad looking. I've never seen any other that older models before. The gun mags must not like them.
I have a CZ 85, which is an ambidextrous model 75, and a model 97 which is the same basic setup in 45.
They are top notch pistols. Gun mags have written about them for years, but there isn't much to say, they are an old design which is well proven. I believe a domestic company started selling a version of them, it was in one of the NRA mags. Jeff Cooper was convinced the CZ75 was the best combat pistol. I like mine a lot, but it's not my carry piece.
During the great ammo shortage of a year or two ago I had trouble even finding normal, name brand .22LR ammo in town. I looked at two or three different sporting goods stores where you'd notmally find plenty and I found zip, nothing. Empty spots on the shelves where it should been. Maybe a box of two but no bricks. Couldn't believe it! Forget .380, everyone knew that was extinct (at least for a while) but I'm talking about normal Federal or Winchester high velocity stuff.
Went to my farm in east Texas soon afterwards and stopped at the giant Wal-Mart in Mineola. Walked by the gun/sporting goods area and screeched to a halt. Hmmm, maybe they have some .22 ammo. No kidding, there were probably 300 bricks of Federal high velocity stacked up behind the counter! 550 round bricks, not the normal 500 count. Something like $12-$13.00 a brick. Can't remember exactly. I bought eight bricks and got a warm IZ_ happy feeling. [laugh] Almost forgot why I even went in the store in the first place! Told the guy at the counter about the lack of .22 ammo in Dallas and all he said was "no problem out here in the country". Yep, he's right. [thumbsup]
Quote from: oldfastwin on December 19, 2010, 01:00:54 PM
During the great ammo shortage of a year or two ago I had trouble even finding normal, name brand .22LR ammo in town. I looked at two or three different sporting goods stores where you'd notmally find plenty and I found zip, nothing. Empty spots on the shelves where it should been. Maybe a box of two but no bricks. Couldn't believe it! Forget .380, everyone knew that was extinct (at least for a while) but I'm talking about normal Federal or Winchester high velocity stuff.
My wife said I was nuts for buying pallets of 7.62nato and 7.62 russian when it was selling for around 10-12 cents/round. I picked up a buttload of Wolf 7.62 russian from TAPCO of all places -- they had it for $75 for 1000 rds. I sold off one box of each recently and that paid for the whole pallet that's left... :D
Who was looking for a good 1911?
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Rock Island uses the Armscor frames from Phillipines. They are not tack drivers, but they are pretty decent. Can't beat the price either $349.
Sarco used to have tons of great stuff, they still get neat deals now and then. I still don't know what to do with the two FND parts kits I bought on a whim... They used to have Citadel M14 barrels on an Armscor receiver for $400 total, and XM21 marked dual lug barreled receivers for about $100 more. I wish I'd bought all of them....
Quote from: ducatiz on December 19, 2010, 01:11:28 PM
My wife said I was nuts for buying pallets of 7.62nato and 7.62 russian when it was selling for around 10-12 cents/round. I picked up a buttload of Wolf 7.62 russian from TAPCO of all places -- they had it for $75 for 1000 rds. I sold off one box of each recently and that paid for the whole pallet that's left... :D
Everyone thought I was nuts buying all the cheap Norinco ammo when Micheal Tinney was the importer years ago. He's the guy who used to own Gun List, sold it and started Cheaper Than Dirt with some other folks. Who knows if he still has anything to do with it. In between Gun List and CTD he was the Norinco guy. I still have cases of Chinese 9mm, .45, .223, .308 and 7.62x39. Should have sold a bunch of it during the ammo crunch and bought a new Duc with the proceeds! [laugh]
I remember the good old gun show days (late 80s early 90s) when Tinney would set up his "all things Norinco" booth. You could buy a Norinco SKS and a 1200 rnd case of 7.62x39 ammo for $200!!!! There's no telling how many of those $200 package deals he sold at every show. There would be a parade of empty two wheel hand trucks going in and just as many fully loaded heading back out!
I even bough one of the Norinco 1911s they made. Not the prettiest pistol around but my gunsmith dropped in a Videcki trigger, cleaned up the action, fitted a NM bushing and did a little polish work on the ramp and voila! Pretty decent, cheap as shit, hard working 1911! Who'd a thought? [thumbsup]
Is it cheaper to buy our make your own ammo? Any near have a chane to teach me? If not ill wait till the texas move in a few years
Sounds like there are some reloaders on this forum. I think WarrenJ mentioned it. I don't reload. My brother used to reload a lot. Not so much anymore. See if you can get some folks to PM you with ideas and tips on getting started. During the previously mentioned ammo crunch I heard that primers were impossible to come by. There was a huge "gold rush" on reloading components. I'm sure it's settled down by now... I think?
I roll my own.....
45acp and 9mm pretty soon.
I use all used but good quality equipment. A good single stage press, scale, die set and powder charger and you're pretty well in business.
Last I checked i was down to between 9-15 cents per round of 45acp.
I bought 1000 pcs of once fired brass and load that with 5 grains of bullseye and hard cast lead RN 200 grain bullets with CCI large pistol primers.
I have not had any problems with finding supplies until recently. 1lb bottles of bullseye have not been available so I had to get a 4lb jug.
ML, is there still a shortage of primers? I never heard there was as big a problem with brass and bullets as there was with primers. That was the word on the street.
Do you run those round nose .45s through an auto or a revolver like a 625 Smith? I assume if it's an auto you aren't having any problems with the lead round nose bullets loading/chambering? I only shoot jacketed rounds, I've heard the lead bullets can foul up a barrel pretty quick and be harder to clean. True... yes/no? Maybe that's the way it used to be. I can only imagine things have improved. [thumbsup]
From what I read hard cast doesn't foul like cowboy lead.
I'm going to start reloading 9mm and .223 at some point. I'll probably use Berry hard cast for the 9 and jacketed varmint type for the rifle.
Quote from: oldfastwin on December 19, 2010, 02:52:37 PM
ML, is there still a shortage of primers? I never heard there was as big a problem with brass and bullets as there was with primers. That was the word on the street.
I buy primers in bricks of 1000. No problems for me yet with large pistol. When I stopped the other day for small pistol primers they only had 400. I think they were just out though.
QuoteDo you run those round nose .45s through an auto or a revolver like a 625 Smith? I assume if it's an auto you aren't having any problems with the lead round nose bullets loading/chambering? I only shoot jacketed rounds, I've heard the lead bullets can foul up a barrel pretty quick and be harder to clean. True... yes/no? Maybe that's the way it used to be. I can only imagine things have improved. [thumbsup]
I shoot a 1911 in .45 acp. Its an argentine sistema made in the early 40s. I ran 500 semi wad cutters through it in hard cast lead. They fed 100% with a high end mag like wilson combat. With the original mag I had some occasional feed issues. .45acp headspaces on the mouth of the case. Never a problem chambering the round so long as it got past the feed ramp.
This time around I loaded hard cast lead round nose in the hopes they feed better. They better, I have 400 ready to go ;)
I also plan to buy some nice mags for it as well. The one I have is a little mangled at the top where the crimp that holds the case is.
Zero issues with lead. Id run a couple hundred rounds through it and the extent of my cleaning would be with a brass brush.
Providing the gun isn't a glock with polygonal rifling the major contributor to leading in the barrel is how hot a load it is.
My range wants 850fps or less. With 5 grains of bullseye I should be around 800 or so. 5.5 grains is about the max. I see no point in loading the maximum. Not loading the max is easier on the gun. I am just putting holes in paper after all.
Too hot a load will create enough heat/friction/pressure that the od of the bullet liquifies and leaves a little behind. Really, this happens anyway to an extent but its not as bad.
I've always been able to get the bore brand new clean with just a brush. Ill run some solvent through it just because I feel like I should.
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 19, 2010, 05:52:17 PM
I buy primers in bricks of 1000. No problems for me yet with large pistol. When I stopped the other day for small pistol primers they only had 400. I think they were just out though. :D
I shoot a 1911 in .45 acp. Its an argentine sistema made in the early 40s. I ran 500 semi wad cutters through it better, I have 400 ready to
At the rate you shoot that rusty .45, they must last forever. :D
zing... [laugh]
;D
The more I learn about firearms the more I want and the more I want to shoot.
I am planning to spend more time at the range ;)
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 19, 2010, 06:45:27 PM
At the rate you shoot that rusty .45, they must last forever. :D
Funny shit! A kick right in the shorts! [laugh] Ten bonus points for kopf!
ML, did your new cleaning gear you bought handle that surface rust on the 1911? Did you figure out what caused it? Did you ever try the newspaper trick or the 0000 steel wool? I got plenty of practice on my Dad's nasty Win. model 94. [bang] Seeing it beforehand would have made you cry.
It was laying on a mat that trapped moisture
At least I think that was it.
Newspaper helped some but I think it needs the wool which I haven't tried yet.
And while im thinking of it--
-how often do you all go to the range
-average number of rounds fired
-number of guns you take to the range compared to the number you own.
I only have a few so I could shoot them all a lot. You all seem to own 30 plus. How often do they get a workout?
Anyone can answer but kopf must answer ;D
I am at the range almost everyday. I teach for a living.
Your own guns?
I own property in east Texas and my brother and I jointly own 365 acres northwest of Dallas near Muenster. My best friend has a ranch in west Texas north of Brownwood that we dove and hog hunt on. I probably shoot more at my buddy's place than I do at mine. I have too much work to do at my place which kills my shooting time there. I certainly help out at my friend's ranch but screw off a majority of the time there with other friends who are shooters. It's always a guy's escape from the house/wife/kids mancation! I don't spend a lot of time at ranges any more. I have portable Arntzen steel targets and steel stands for IPSC cardboard targets that I take with me.
I always drag too much stuff every time I go. I've said it in other posts but I swear I end up shooting the shit out of my .22s more than anything. When I was at my bud's place in October there were zero dove to hunt. I have no idea where they went. So we drank and ate like kings. But there were like 5 hopped up 10/22 Rugers between us all and damn I have no idea how many rounds we shot! We'd have "here, top this shot" sessions that were funny as shit. Lots of laughing our asses off and a damn good time. Some pretty awesome shots were made that we could never duplicate. [laugh] But we acted like we could. ;D
Always work out the 1911s and 9mm Glocks. An AR platform gun or two always goes along and gets used by me and others. Hopefully on a feral hog! The MP5 sometimes goes and any full auto virgins always have to shoot it. [thumbsup] My step son's Ruger model 77 .223 that I gave him last year for Christmas has gotten a lot of break in time this year. Knocked down his first buck with it hunting with his Dad after Thanksgiving! ;D However much we shoot at my place or my friend's it is never enough.
If I could ride a motorcycle and shoot a gun at the same time I would think I'd died and gone to heaven! [laugh]
Quote from: Monsterlover link=topic=39943.
msg814813#msg814813 date=1292818941
Your own guns?
Mine, Uncle Sugars etc.
[laugh] @ fastwin riding and shooting.
Hey, it's not like walking and chewing gum at the same time! If I was a better weak hand shooter it could happen. ;D [moto] [thumbsup]
You certainly have the room to try it...
I'll get to work on it. [cheeky]
fastwin.. next time we're in tx or when we finally move out there we gotta hang out..
Where you moving to? Damn big jump from NY to these parts. You speak Texan right? [laugh]
austin.. not so much like the rest of tx... been out there a few times.. tired of ny.. the wife wants to leave too so it's a plus.. just waiting till my step sons 18.. he'll be going military..
Lived in Austin all during the early 70s to 1980. Moved back home to Big D. Austin is a rocking town for sure but it has grown and morphed so much in that time it's hard for me to recognize it anymore. There is a kick ass hill country DMF board down there that I'm sure you probably know about. The roads down there stomp our weak ass north TX roads but we are that much closer to Arkansas which has killer roads! At least for this part of the 50 states. Everything is relative. ;D But I would still rather head to AR than fight the traffic of the hill country. It's not the laid back 70s anymore down there. But still a pretty damn cool place to live! [thumbsup] Hope you get there soon! [moto]
Quote from: oldfastwin on December 19, 2010, 01:40:13 PM
Everyone thought I was nuts buying all the cheap Norinco ammo when Micheal Tinney was the importer years ago. He's the guy who used to own Gun List, sold it and started Cheaper Than Dirt with some other folks. Who knows if he still has anything to do with it. In between Gun List and CTD he was the Norinco guy. I still have cases of Chinese 9mm, .45, .223, .308 and 7.62x39. Should have sold a bunch of it during the ammo crunch and bought a new Duc with the proceeds! [laugh]
I remember the good old gun show days (late 80s early 90s) when Tinney would set up his "all things Norinco" booth. You could buy a Norinco SKS and a 1200 rnd case of 7.62x39 ammo for $200!!!! There's no telling how many of those $200 package deals he sold at every show. There would be a parade of empty two wheel hand trucks going in and just as many fully loaded heading back out!
I even bough one of the Norinco 1911s they made. Not the prettiest pistol around but my gunsmith dropped in a Videcki trigger, cleaned up the action, fitted a NM bushing and did a little polish work on the ramp and voila! Pretty decent, cheap as shit, hard working 1911! Who'd a thought? [thumbsup]
I bought a few cans of the Norinco 7.62 russian and someone told me to put a magnet on the projectiles and sure enough, its all steel core. I don't know if it's mild steel or what but it had no problem penetrating a car door and exiting the opposite car door. That was from a short barreled SKS too.
Tinney moved on because the laws changed and Norinco got banned from importing any firearms. I bought two of their 1911s for $150 each (!!) and would do it again. I cleaned up and shot one and the other is still in the box, but I gave the used one to a friend. I like it just because it's hand fit and surprisingly tight. Little things are shitty on them, but they fire well. I don't like the steel in the barrel, so that gets swapped but the slide and frame are hammer forged and hard as hell.
"Cheaper than Dirt" is anything but. Nice place to shop to see whats around, but I have no problem getting far cheaper prices. I guess his dirt is some of that super-duper potting soil that comes in 2 lb bags?
The days of the $200 sks + ammo are long gone. :-/
$25 off $99 purchase or free shipping
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/main/splash.aspx?key=DO&ecid=E50XA (http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/main/splash.aspx?key=DO&ecid=E50XA)
I don't buy much from CTD because I end up paying for FedEx and state taxes. I will say that if and when I do order from them it is here the very next day. They have kick ass customer service! [thumbsup] What's the point when you can order on line somewhere else and avoid the taxes. Too lazy to drive to the other side of the metroplex and pick it up in person. I'd rather play soccer in a minefield in Iraq!! Don't get me started on DFW drivers and traffic. [bang]
Yeah, I knew about the Norinco getting squeezed out of the US part. He didn't make a bad move starting CTD. [laugh] Do you have any idea how much money they made because of Y2K? They could have bank rolled the government on what they made off of Army cots, blankets, canteens, MREs and ammo!!! [laugh]
Those Norinco 1911s were kinda sweet weren't they. Quite a pleasant surprise. [thumbsup]
Quote from: ducatiz on December 20, 2010, 05:07:16 AM
$25 off $99 purchase or free shipping
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/main/splash.aspx?key=DO&ecid=E50XA (http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/main/splash.aspx?key=DO&ecid=E50XA)
Might be time to get me some more XM193...
Quote from: DRKWNG on December 20, 2010, 07:34:59 AM
Might be time to get me some more XM193...
i don't know if that excludes ammo purchases, i know they treat them differently for discounts.
Quote from: ducatiz on December 20, 2010, 07:41:16 AM
i don't know if that excludes ammo purchases, i know they treat them differently for discounts.
[thumbsdown]
Hmmm... Thoughts on Federal vs American Eagle 193? Looks like the AE is manufactured by Federal, using the same Lake City brass, same bullet traveling at the same velocities and delivering the same terminal performance...
Quote from: DRKWNG on December 20, 2010, 07:53:30 AM
Hmmm... Thoughts on Federal vs American Eagle 193? Looks like the AE is manufactured by Federal, using the same Lake City brass, same bullet traveling at the same velocities and delivering the same terminal performance...
i would doubt there is a difference in performance characteristics.. are you looking on the SPG website? don't trust their info, they are often wrong.
However, the AE stuff has been very good in my experience. Some of the LC-brassed stuff is actually XM193 (well, I should say was cause there are probably no overruns nowadays...)
Yea, SPG.
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/400-rds-american-eagle-55-gr-223-556-fmj-ammo.aspx?a=520201 (http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/400-rds-american-eagle-55-gr-223-556-fmj-ammo.aspx?a=520201)
Quote from: DRKWNG on December 20, 2010, 08:03:31 AM
Yea, SPG.
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/400-rds-american-eagle-55-gr-223-556-fmj-ammo.aspx?a=520201 (http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/400-rds-american-eagle-55-gr-223-556-fmj-ammo.aspx?a=520201)
it's xm193. i wouldn't have any expectation it is different from the federal. all made under DoD contract and are overruns or 2nds..
Natchez Shooters Supplies has on occasion in the recent past had Lake City XM193 and American Eagle (Fed) .223 on good sales. They sell it by the individual box up to 1000 rnd bulk boxes. I get email notices from them all the time. Last XM193 sales notice I got was late November and it was $299 for a 1000 rnd bulk box. I buy and shoot both out of ARs and bolt guns. Never noticed any difference except the AE .223 is cheaper. [thumbsup]
http://www.natchezss.com/Ammo.cfm?contentID=productDetail&brand=FA&prodID=FAXM193BK&prodTitle=Federal (http://www.natchezss.com/Ammo.cfm?contentID=productDetail&brand=FA&prodID=FAXM193BK&prodTitle=Federal) Nato 5.56 55gr XM193 FMJ 1000/box
Anyone shoot 50 cal rifles?
I have a Hawken .54 cal I shoot now and then...
:->
They all have a big kick or no?
I want one.. gonna start my collection come spring time.. want to get a hand gun, maybe a kimber and a 12g for that (wtf was tht sound lets get out of here) good home defense and a sniper rifle.. .22 would prob be better to start off but ever since I've shot my first 50 back in 03', i want..
Quote from: cokey on December 20, 2010, 11:32:54 AM
They all have a big kick or no?
I want one.. gonna start my collection come spring time.. want to get a hand gun, maybe a kimber and a 12g for that (wtf was tht sound lets get out of here) good home defense and a sniper rifle.. .22 would prob be better to start off but ever since I've shot my first 50 back in 03', i want..
"Kick" is relative. I fired an Anzio Ironworks 50BMG with a proprietary muzzle device and it didn't feel worse than a 12ga. That's a bolt gun.
Shot a Smith .500 yesterday. Damn that thing is nasty. The grips aren't great unless you have gloves. The slightest bit of sweaty palm and that thing'll come back hard.
Quote from: Danny3.msg815107#msg815107 date=1292875755. The slightest bit of sweaty palm and that thing'll come back hard.
That's what she said
Well played!! [laugh] [laugh] Timing is everything... and having your mind in the gutter! [thumbsup]
Old twin and I were talking about optic mounts in the pic thread, and I mentioned that I was partial to LaRue's gear. Here is a good example of why.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=2&f=219&t=171278 (http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=2&f=219&t=171278)
Nice read. Like I said, they make good stuff. [thumbsup]
picked up an XD9 this weekend, my second Springfield (bought an XD40 in '03)
Nice. Pic?
Im going to the range tomorrow :D
Quote from: gh0stie on December 21, 2010, 06:24:54 PM
picked up an XD9 this weekend, my second Springfield (bought an XD40 in '03)
Fullsize?
Been thinking about replacing my old Glock 19 with a S&W MP...
They are nice guns. When my wife and I went and looked at pistols it was her first choice and my second. We looked at the mpc.
I felt the ruger fit my hand a little better though. It was also $110 less so that sealed the deal for me.
After we recover from the ruger purchase that's what we'll be looking at next.
A couple shots of the bore after 63 rounds of hard cast lead. The last shot is of all the goodies the brass brush pushed out.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/900rider/Gun%20Stuff/2010-12-22_15-40-12_148.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/900rider/Gun%20Stuff/2010-12-22_15-41-03_571.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/900rider/Gun%20Stuff/2010-12-22_15-46-08_406.jpg)
Doesn't look like enough to worry about.
I read somewhere that if you continue using lead, as opposed to jacketed, it will never be an issue.
Where'd you read that? I can't see why it would make any difference switching back and forth.
Im no expert though.
it makes no difference at all as long as you clean your weapon
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 22, 2010, 02:35:04 PM
Where'd you read that? I can't see why it would make any difference switching back and forth.
Im no expert though.
http://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=53 (http://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=53)
Quote from: Mother on December 22, 2010, 02:43:32 PM
it makes no difference at all as long as you clean your weapon
Not everyone does I guess.
Guilty. The old AR lives a hard life
Quote from: Punx Clever on December 22, 2010, 03:57:21 PM
Guilty. The old AR lives a hard life
I guess if you use non-corrosive ammo and jacketed bullets many guns get cleaned more frequently than necessary.
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 22, 2010, 02:10:29 PM
A couple shots of the bore after 63 rounds of hard cast lead. The last shot is of all the goodies the brass brush pushed out.
wear gloves when you clean?
you ought to.
i know it's all macho not to and a lot of guys while "pffft" it, but there are tons of toxins in that stuff, esp if you shoot chicom and soviet milsurp like i do. i bought a box of nitrile gloves from harbor freight and i use them now for damn near everything. keeps your purty nails clean too.
if you got that much debris out, i would also recommend a lead remover like sweet's or lewis. i have read about using a 1:1 solution of vinegar and hydrogen peroxide, but i don't know if it works -- it would be a lot cheaper if it does.
H2O2 and Vinegar work great as a lead remover but it will etch the tar out of everything else it touches. I tested it by mixing some up in a jar and dropping in a 50 cal lead ball and let it sit overnight. It completely dissolved the ball by morning. Works!
Quote from: ducatiz on December 22, 2010, 05:08:17 PM
wear gloves when you clean?
you ought to.
I don't. I know I should though.
I even have the gloves so I really have no excuse.
My indoor range has so-so ventilation and after 50-75 rounds of .45acp I can taste gun powder/smoke.
After I get home and clean my guns ill wash my face and hands. Then ill rinse my sinuses out with the neti pot.
Looks scarier than it is and it works very well.
Quote from: ducatiz on December 22, 2010, 05:08:17 PM
wear gloves when you clean?
you ought to.
i know it's all macho not to and a lot of guys while "pffft" it, but there are tons of toxins in that stuff, esp if you shoot chicom and soviet milsurp like i do. i bought a box of nitrile gloves from harbor freight and i use them now for damn near everything. keeps your purty nails clean too.
if you got that much debris out, i would also recommend a lead remover like sweet's or lewis. i have read about using a 1:1 solution of vinegar and hydrogen peroxide, but i don't know if it works -- it would be a lot cheaper if it does.
I damn sure do. Wear my shooting glasses too. Probably why I've lived so long! [laugh]
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 22, 2010, 07:17:59 PM
I don't. I know I should though.
I even have the gloves so I really have no excuse.
My indoor range has so-so ventilation and after 50-75 rounds of .45acp I can taste gun powder/smoke.
After I get home and clean my guns ill wash my face and hands. Then ill rinse my sinuses out with the neti pot.
Looks scarier than it is and it works very well.
I used to shoot so much indoors (practice, IDPA, etc...) that my ex-wife forced me to go have my blood tested for lead content years ago. She heard or read a story about the possible build up caused by indoor conditions and got all freaked out. Given how our relationship ended I'm surprised she ever really cared! [laugh] You'd think she would have encouraged me to do it more!! ;D Anyway, it came out perfectly fine. Actually I wouldn't have been shocked to see it slightly elevated but it wasn't. I know what you mean about the taste in the air. I used to take a good long shower after a match or practice. I'm sure that helps too.
Just watched CNBC's report on the Remington 700 safety not working correctly.
Ho-lee-crap!!
I've been lusting over an 870 pump but im not sure I feel right about supporting Remington anymore. :(
Mossberg 500 persuader looking better and better.
Don't blame the 870 on some goofy corporate/legal counselor decisions. It's a poor innocent shotgun who has no vote in the board room. [laugh] I like the 500/590 series 'bergs too. You can't go wrong with either shotgun. I actually can load faster with the 500s since they have a nice big open well on the bottom of the receiver with nothing in the way. The 870s have a spring loaded shell carrier that extends from the trigger plate assembly and blocks the well of the receiver. You must push the spring loaded shell carrier up and out of the way with your shell before pushing it forward into the magazine tube. No big deal once you get the hang of it but it's nice not having that extra move on the Mossbergs. [thumbsup]
I've seen guys in classes screw up the Rem load and end up with double feeds in the receiver. The newer 870s have a cut in the extended shell carrier that allows you clear a double feed without field stripping the gun. Easier to show than explain in a post.
There is an article about the Rem 700 "issue" and the TV coverage of it in the new NRA American Rifleman. Now, if I can just figure out where junior put it! [bang] Little fart runs off with every American Rifleman and Bass Pro/Cabellas catalog before I ever get to turn a page! >:(
So in other words he takes after pa?
I have nothing against the 870, I'm just not sure how I feel about supporting remington.
I always kinda wanted a 700 as well
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 24, 2010, 09:05:41 AM
Just watched CNBC's report on the Remington 700 safety not working correctly.
Ho-lee-crap!!
I've been lusting over an 870 pump but im not sure I feel right about supporting Remington anymore. :(
Mossberg 500 persuader looking better and better.
Just read hte NRA article with the list of frauds that CNBC has perpetuated over guns. Every time they can, they latch onto a gun issue and show it in the worst possible light with all the fraud possible.
They did a story on "assault weapons" and kept saying how "powerful" they were, without any shooting professionals commenting on the various calibers vs other guns. Further, they kept showing FULLY AUTO versions which had nothing at all to do with the issue. Pure fraud.
I get that its the media. Grain of salt taken but it doesn't seem remington has done much to take care of the problem.
Where would I go for the whole truth?
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 24, 2010, 10:50:57 AM
Where would I go for the whole truth?
On the Gun Stuff thread of course! [laugh]
I heard if you make a tinfoil cover for your 700 it makes the safety work right ;D
Forget the safety, all foil is going towards my 10 gal cowboy hat. This is TX and Area 51 is not that far away. No orbiting aliens gonna be messing with my head with that tinfoil cowboy hat on! ;D Although the voices in my head do seem to be snoring. [bang]
Mossberg 500.. I'm deff picking one of these up..
Check out the persuader
Its got a fitting name
500 is a great sg but the tube is not expandable. 590 has expansion cap as does rem 870.
Wat would I need tht for?
You can't increase the magazine capacity beyond the stock capacity. It's fixed on the 500 Mossbergs. The Rem 870 for instance has a threaded cap on the end of the magazine tube. You can remove the cap and screw on extensions that make the magazine tube longer. Meaning it can hold more ammunition. The longer extension tubes come with a longer magazine spring to compensate for the extra length. They come in 1, 2, 3+ round extensions. You could theoretically have the mag tube sticking out several inches beyond the muzzle. Actually that's a pretty common practice in tactical shotgun competition or 3 gun matches.
http://shopwilsoncombat.com/Magazine-Extension-Tubes-Followers-Springs/products/163/ (http://shopwilsoncombat.com/Magazine-Extension-Tubes-Followers-Springs/products/163/)
http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=4203/Product/SHOTGUN_MAGAZINE_EXTENSION (http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=4203/Product/SHOTGUN_MAGAZINE_EXTENSION)
I think the 500 breacher has the threaded cap on the mag tube. Though it does seam to be the only 500 model with it. It only comes in a pistol grip though and has the take it or leave it breacher barrel.
Yeah, the 500 "special purpose" models seem to have an open-ended mag like the 590, or maybe it is just that they offer the model with different sized magazines (based on their website, Ican't tell).
I don't see the purpose in offering both 500 and 590 in similar setups. Unless the 590 has better components overall. I know the regular 500 has a plastic trigger guard, maybe the 590s have only metal?
Yessir. The 590s have an all metal trigger group.
Doh. I meant to say maybe the 500 sp has a metal trigger guard like the 590
On their site it show 6-9 shot variants. I like the pistolg grip design but wont know if its useful to me til I shoot both..
Santa (wife) brought me everything to reload 9x19 :D
I also really like the Mossberg factory ghost ring sights. They are very durable and the sight picture is excellent. I have them on all my 'bergs including my class III shorties 'bergs. [thumbsup] I've seen other (not Wilson/Scattergun Tech) aftermarket ghost rings come apart during classes. Some are just way too delicate for their intended use. No problems with Benelli m1/super 90 g/r sights either.
I noticed some of the 870s only come with a front bead sight...
Possible to add a ghost ring setup to those or would I be better off starting with a different 870 if I even go the 870 route?
Quote from: cokey on December 25, 2010, 08:44:36 AM
On their site it show 6-9 shot variants. I like the pistolg grip design but wont know if its useful to me til I shoot both..
It won't take you long to figure out the pistol grip only style scattergun only look good on TV/movies or for jacking up convenience stores. A full stock is really the only way to go in the real world. A pistol grip full stock is fine (still not for me) but why would you need the shortened length of just having a pistol grip? Try making some precise aimed shots with that. And the "I'll just shoot from the hip" statement is BS. Again, they might look cool to some... great, knock yourself out. What do I care? But in real world, self defense deployment a full stock just makes too damn much sense. Imagine a rifle or carbine set up that way. How useful would that be? Talk amongst yourselves... ;D
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 25, 2010, 08:55:06 AM
I noticed some of the 870s only come with a front bead sight...
Possible to add a ghost ring setup to those or would I be better off starting with a different 870 if I even go the 870 route?
You can get 18" barreled 870s with rifle sights from the factory. My personal favorite on my 870s and Police 1187s are Wilson ghost rings.
http://shopwilsoncombat.com/Trak-Lock-Sights/products/166/ (http://shopwilsoncombat.com/Trak-Lock-Sights/products/166/)
They are the original Scattergun Technology sights that have worked awesome since day one. Long before Bill Wilson bought the company.
Ahhh... got up, opened the presents, walked the dog (in the cold!!!), had some coffee and a bagel and posted some on line BS about tactical shotgun shit. What a great country!!! [laugh] Merry Christmas to all. [thumbsup] [wine] [bacon]
1000pcs of 115gr lead round nose showed up today in 9mm.
I better get to work :D
I got an email today stating that the ammo I ordered near the end of last week was actually back ordered. So I had to order some from a different supplier today.
What were you trying to get?
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 27, 2010, 01:57:16 PM
What were you trying to get?
.45 FMJ and some XM193. Getting the .45 just for "plinking", and the 5.56 for plinking and hoarding. :D
mmmmm. . . .
hording
:D
I like whore-ding much better!
[evil]
Different tools for different jobs
;)
Quote from: DRKWNG on December 27, 2010, 01:37:05 PM
I got an email today stating that the ammo I ordered near the end of last week was actually back ordered. So I had to order some from a different supplier today.
what caliber?
Every question and answer on a gun forum (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evr_tP9cJWY#normal)
Any one get into shooting bowling pins, I love killing pins. I used to attend the "Second Chance" pin shoot here in Michigan. It was a ten day blast event. Then they away do to insurance issues, darn it!
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 27, 2010, 03:01:59 PM
Every question and answer on a gun forum (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evr_tP9cJWY#normal)
That's funny as shit!! [laugh] [laugh] I love the part about glocktalk and AR15.com!! Sounds like what I used to tell my friends about Y2K when they asked me if I was stocking up on gas, water, food, guns/ammo, generators, etc. I said no, if I needed something I'd just come over to their house and take all their shit! [laugh]
Quote from: BoDiddley on December 27, 2010, 03:39:56 PM
Any one get into shooting bowling pins, I love killing pins. I used to attend the "Second Chance" pin shoot here in Michigan. It was a ten day blast event. Then they away do to insurance issues, darn it!
No bowling pins just steel. Pins never did anything bad enough to me to make me want to shoot them. [laugh] Does look like a hell of a lot of fun. [thumbsup]
Quote from: ducatiz on December 27, 2010, 02:52:56 PM
what caliber?
Uhm...
Quote from: DRKWNG on December 27, 2010, 01:58:58 PM
.45 FMJ and some XM193. Getting the .45 just for "plinking", and the 5.56 for plinking and hoarding. :D
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 27, 2010, 03:01:59 PM
Every question and answer on a gun forum (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evr_tP9cJWY#normal)
[evil]
But seriously, what's wrong with Beta-mags and brand new multi-cam?
[laugh]
Beta-mags are the shit. But they are hard on class III barrels. You just don't want to let off the trigger! [laugh]
Second Chance!!! My wife and I shot that for 9 years! We probably know each other. There was nothing like Second Chance and there will never be again. What an awesome, awesome shoot!
Tried three different loads in the SR9c tonight.
Im kind of making this up as I go as I couldn't find my exact bullet and powder combo.
Not to mention the OAL had to change from what I found on the net (9mm = 1.169 max) I would be crimping in the grease groove if I set it up like that. Bullseye website wanted OAL at 1.125 (and a Hornady load book I have wan'ts 1.040"!!)
I ended up at 1.100" and felt ok trying that as I'm way on the low side with the powder charge. I was reasonably sure I'd go home with all my fingers.
I tried 10 rounds, 3 different charges with the same oal.
115gr LRN at 1.100 oal, bullseye powder
3.6gr, 3.8gr and 4.0gr.
3.8 and 4.0 worked fine. 3.6 would not rack the slide enough to eject the spent case. It would always fail to open up enough and then stove pipe the spent round.
Even though 3.8gr worked ok, I think Im going to go with 4.0 to ensure the gun will cycle correctly. Even 4.0 grains is like the extreme low. My range wants 850fps or less and Im probably over that. I did check the plate backstop tonight and there wasn't any damage so I think I'm good to go.
[thumbsup]
Time to get loadin'
My New Years' resolution is to shoot more and ride more. How simple is that? [thumbsup] [moto] [bacon] That's a good start to 2011. ;D
Quote from: oldfastwin on December 28, 2010, 08:49:33 PM
My New Years' resolution is to shoot more and ride more. How simple is that? [thumbsup] [moto] [bacon] That's a good start to 2011. ;D
Take up bank robbery! You can do both!
[laugh]
Quote from: ducatiz on December 29, 2010, 04:01:44 AM
Take up bank robbery! You can do both!
And actually be able to afford all of it. :D
ive been rolling this around in my head for a few months now and i just wanna see what you guys have to say.
on the one hand i can buy an ar15. or on the other i can buy a mini 14 at less cost for the rifle and with about the same amount of money i can accessorize it to look like an ar15 or however i want.
is there really any advantages either way?
all i really want it for is to plink at the range, maybe hunt it a little, and basically something to unload quite a few rounds off with a big bang, lighter recoil, and relativly inexpensive to shoot compaired to my other rifles.
input please.
I'll stick my $.02 in - The Mini-14 is a robust, reliable and relatively inexpensive firearm with a great deal of accessories available. The only downside I can come up with for the Mini is that they are "typically" not as accurate as a properly set up AR. If you like them, they will work - there are things that can be done to help the accuracy issues. As long as the equipment is adequate for what you want to do, and reliable, the operator is far more important.
WJ sums up my feelings as well. Mini 14s are good, inexpensive plinkers. Hunt with them? Sure. Drive tacks at 200+ meters? No. Have a hell of a lot of fun with them for less $$$ than a tricked out AR platform? Sure. I have never fired a Mini 30 but it doesn't matter, you were asking about 14s. I used to have a stainless 14 years ago as a farm/plink rifle and it worked fine for that. Sold it, but it wasn't because I hated it or it didn't work right. It was fine for what I bought it for. Get one, burn up ammo, have fun, peace, love, Woodstock, etc... [thumbsup]
You can have more options with the AR platform, across the board. Easier to swap barrels, more choices for glass/mounts and just a more durable weapon.
The Mini14 isn't bad, but it's not the AC556.
Yeah, I agree with you too but it sounds like all the AR options/accessories may not be that big of a thing to tcspeedfreak. Saving money on the gun end in order to spend more on the ammo side might be the deciding factor. Or, he could shop for a good clean pre-loved AR at around the same price point as the Ruger.
unrelated tangent
youtube search of the ac556 led me to this guy
:-\
Burning AK47 - 300 Rounds &amp; on Fire (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNAohtjG14c&feature=related#normal)
I like his comment at the end..."Too hot!"
Didn't he think is was too hot when it started flaming about 100 rounds into the exercise?
Quote from: Mother on December 31, 2010, 11:25:35 AM
unrelated tangent
youtube search of the ac556 led me to this guy
i would lay money that's an illegally converted romanian gun. the wood furniture is impregnated with cosmoline, which will ignite if heated up enough. that's why it's burning like a candle.
Not arguing the fact of its easier to be accurate with a fullstock 12 gauge but like everything.. practise makes perfect..
Mossberg 500 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtube_gdata_player&v=tUHAEvbf_I4#normal)
I made it to about the 30 second mark so he may answer this question
but
why did the action move when he fired it?
Recoil will make the fore end retract slightly if your weakhand is not securing it in a normal two hand stance.
Is it just me or did the flaming AK47 guy seem a little drunk? First off, it's kind of a good drunk idea to do what he did. Second, it's nice to have a equally drunk friend handy to film your handywork for posterity. Third, he seemed to be stumbling around a bit more than the normal full auto AK recoil would cause. Fourth, that last 100 round drum mag just didn't seem to want to seat very well did it? Seemed to be having a little trouble with that one... while stumbling around. ;D Oh well, fun to watch and I didn't have to pay for the burnt out barrel, the ammo or the fire extinguisher! [thumbsup] [laugh]
He's a pro too... no plugs or muffs and no eye protection. Huh... whad you say?? [roll]
Quote from: oldfastwin on December 31, 2010, 11:23:53 AM
Yeah, I agree with you too but it sounds like all the AR options/accessories may not be that big of a thing to tcspeedfreak. Saving money on the gun end in order to spend more on the ammo side might be the deciding factor. Or, he could shop for a good clean pre-loved AR at around the same price point as the Ruger.
your right having the gun doesnt do any good if you dont have the ammo to play with it. but on the other hand i do want to accessorize a little bit pistol grip stock ect. where im at you cant find an AR platform in reasonable condition for under $800. and ive heard that the mini platforms are less prone to jamming after a few hundred rounds without cleaning is there any truth to that???
I don't know of any particular "jamming" problem with either weapon after a few hundred rounds. I shot my Mini-14 a lot without any troubles. And have put untold thousands of rounds through ARs over the years without cause for concern. The only real problem that has ever reared it's ugly head with ARs has been at two urban rifle classes I took and both were without a doubt caused by ammo. One was a Thunder Ranch class with Sellier and Bellot ball ammo that I brought with me and one was a Tiger Valley class where we HAD to use HP ammo due to range rules. The instructor had Wolf HP ammo available for dirt cheap that the students could buy. Which I did. And I couldn't make either of the 3 ARs I brought run through one complete mag the entire 2 day course. :P
No previous problems with S&B and I had never used Wolf. I got really really really good at clearing jams and mag changes. [bang]
Quote from: oldfastwin on January 01, 2011, 08:23:41 AM
No previous problems with S&B and I had never used Wolf. I got really really really good at clearing jams and mag changes. [bang]
I've shot a ton of Wolf and I can tell you it can be dirty compared to commercial ammo.
I did have some failure to extract problems with one of my ARs but that was after about 5000 rounds with no cleaning.
So yes, you will find some issues with the ARs [evil]
Quote from: tcspeedfreak on January 01, 2011, 07:30:08 AM
your right having the gun doesnt do any good if you dont have the ammo to play with it. but on the other hand i do want to accessorize a little bit pistol grip stock ect. where im at you cant find an AR platform in reasonable condition for under $800.
If you are patient and diligent, you can find parts kits and assemble one in that range. That's the bare bones rifle though, no glass or other gadgets.
Here is an AR parts kit for $550 http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=669147 (http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=669147)
You just need your own lower receiver. Here is a stripped lower for $60
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=208372602 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=208372602)
I think I'm going to buy a dozen of those lowers.. they have the correct rear geometry...
There you go. $600 not including shipping.
It's funny, my bad experience with Wolf .223 hp in that class was the only problem child. All the other student's ARs ran fine. [bang] I had a Colt, a DPMS and a Bushmaster lower/built upper gun. All three had previously run like freight trains in courses and 3 gun shoots. And all three had the same feed problem with the same group of magazines. :P Weird. All 3 wigged out on Wolf and none of the other students had trouble. The instructor even let me run 2-3 mags of my ball ammo as a test and the 2 guns I used worked perfectly as always. Puzzling evidence. [roll] Damn sure burned me on Wolf. Glad it works for others but I won't ever bother again.
Went to the range today...it was close to 50.
The paper died, but damn I suck with a pistol.
Shots all over the target so I can't blame the sights. :P
Came home and was shooting the 22 out the back of the barn. I'm better with a rifle.
Paper killer! [laugh] What did you shoot? The CZ?
Hey, great way to start the new year! [thumbsup] Ride your scooter too? [moto] Wish I had. Too busy cooking black eye peas and cleaning the house for junior's birthday party tomorrow. Jalapeno cornbread is in the oven and the BEPs are ready. [bacon] [drool] All I need is a bike ride and a shoot-n-fest and my year will be properly started! Oh and a good cigar! ;D
Quote from: oldfastwin on January 01, 2011, 04:00:32 PM
Paper killer! [laugh] What did you shoot? The CZ?
Hey, great way to start the new year! [thumbsup] Ride your scooter too? [moto] Wish I had. Too busy cooking black eye peas and cleaning the house for junior's birthday party tomorrow. Jalapeno cornbread is in the oven and the BEPs are ready. [bacon] [drool] All I need is a bike ride and a shoot-n-fest and my year will be properly started! Oh and a good cigar! ;D
Yup...200 rounds all over the place. Mostly on the 8.5x11 paper. I wouldn't mind if there was some consistency in placement, but alas.
It was warm enough to ride today, but the range is on a dirt road, and if you've ever been on a thawing dirt road...
you'd take the truck too. ;)
In the spring you'd throw in 4 wheel. ;D
Meh, you haven't had it that long. Give it some time and burn through some more cheap 9mm. You'll get there. Those are damn nice 9mm pistols. I have rifles and pistols that didn't make me look too good at first. Then again I never look too good. ;D But I do enjoy shooting them regardless of how I look. [thumbsup] Makes me want to bust out my old CZ75 and waste some ammo! [laugh]
Quote from: oldfastwin on January 01, 2011, 04:15:52 PM
Meh, you haven't had it that long. Give it some time and burn through some more cheap 9mm. You'll get there. Those are damn nice 9mm pistols. I have rifles and pistols that didn't make me look too good at first. Then again I never look too good. ;D But I do enjoy shooting them regardless of how I look. [thumbsup] Makes me want to bust out my old CZ75 and waste some ammo! [laugh]
I bought 1K rounds for just over $0.20 per round shipped. Not too horrible at today's prices...and I picked up all my brass. I see re-loading in my future.
Today was a $45 day. ;D
Last time I went I shot 100 9mm and 70 .223.
Shooting is 'spensive. :P
Reloading can cut costs big time.
I just started loading 9mm and im at about $.20 per for the first time around.
The second time around ill figure the brass at half the cost. After that I probably wont bother. Half of why I load is because I find it relaxing and its fun.
My costs are also higher because im starting with new starline brass. Once fired would be 2/3 the price.
Casting your own bullits really cuts costs but its more equipment and time. Not to mention fumes.
I have my .45 acp down to about .09-.10 cents a round. I don't cast my own.
Also, when you're at the range don't forget to pick up brass others have left. [thumbsup]
Quote from: Monsterlover on January 01, 2011, 04:57:16 PM
Reloading can cut costs big time.
I just started loading 9mm and im at about $.20 per for the first time around.
The second time around ill figure the brass at half the cost. After that I probably wont bother. Half of why I load is because I find it relaxing and its fun.
My costs are also higher because im starting with new starline brass. Once fired would be 2/3 the price.
Casting your own bullits really cuts costs but its more equipment and time. Not to mention fumes.
I have my .45 acp down to about .09-.10 cents a round. I don't cast my own.
Also, when you're at the range don't forget to pick up brass others have left. [thumbsup]
I ended up with a handful of stuff that wasn't mine. ;)
I didn't pick the trash can. :P
I've shot thousands of rounds through an old dirty M-16A2 with not a single hiccup
But
had a shiny new RRA AR15 jam every other round while shooting reloads
Point being
There are a ridiculous amount of variables that need to take place before a broad spectrum generalization like that can be justified
There was supposed to be a quote up there, damned iphone
Quote from: ducatiz on January 01, 2011, 11:29:39 AMHere is an AR parts kit for $550 http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=669147 (http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=669147)
You just need your own lower receiver. Here is a stripped lower for $60
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=208372602 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=208372602)
I think I'm going to buy a dozen of those lowers.. they have the correct rear geometry...
There you go. $600 not including shipping.
Here is a rifle kit even cheaper- $465
http://www.del-ton.com/AR_15_Rifle_Kits_16_s/57.htm (http://www.del-ton.com/AR_15_Rifle_Kits_16_s/57.htm)
Quote from: ducatiz on January 01, 2011, 11:29:39 AM
Here is an AR parts kit for $550 http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=669147 (http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=669147)
DPMS stuff is junk.
Quote from: Mother on January 07, 2011, 10:11:19 PM
why?
When I worked ATAP, we had an arms room full of their M-16 A4 knock offs. We had nothing but problems with them. Broken
trigger parts, front sight post's breaking, odds and ends failing. They did not stand up against daily use.
Yeah but most people don't subject their AR's to daily use. For casual use, the cheaper stuff is fine, now if you make your living on a SWAT team then buy the best.
Quote from: SA_S2R on January 08, 2011, 04:46:39 AM
Yeah but most people don't subject their AR's to daily use.
Still, why take the chance? I would want complete confidence that any weapon I have will work if/when it comes down to needing it.
Quote from: DRKWNG on January 08, 2011, 06:22:51 AM
Still, why take the chance? I would want complete confidence that any weapon I have will work if/when it comes down to needing it.
The key words there are "needing it"
Again if your life might depend on it then spend the extra, but if you are buying for casual plinking, which is what I thought he wanted, then save the cash. For plinking, I'd rather buy a $600 AR15 and maybe have to replace a trigger part oo front sight for $50 than spend $1000 on a decent AR, or $2000 for a top of the line gun.
Looking for a new toy and was thinking a 40 or 45. Any experience with different brands would be appreciated. Currently have a Smith & Wesson 9 which is reliable as hell and also a Taurus 357 so I'm familiar with those brands.
Thanks.
1911?
The cost of ammo cured my want for a .45. Ill stick to my 9's for now and practice twice as much.
Quote from: rgramjet on January 08, 2011, 07:09:43 AM
The cost of ammo cured my want for a .45. Ill stick to my 9's for now and practice twice as much.
The cost of ammo seems to be getting a little better, but unfortunately commodities seem poised to sky rocket again over the next couple of years. Reloading is starting to look better and better, not to mention .22's ;D
Ive got a Ceiner .22 conversion kit for my Glock 17. Not a single ftf so far. Money well spent.
Quote from: SA_S2R on January 08, 2011, 08:03:40 AM
The cost of ammo seems to be getting a little better, but unfortunately commodities seem poised to sky rocket again over the next couple of years. Reloading is starting to look better and better, not to mention .22's ;D
I recently ordered a tokorev upper for my AR. 7.62x25 ammo is running around 7-9 c per round these days. It isn't as powerful as 5.56 or 7.62x39, but it hits very hard out of a 10" barrel (AR pistol).
The kit runs about $1000 for the upper, mag well adapter and converted magazines. They have a very good rep, and I need something to shoot all this Tok ammo I bought.
It would be awesome if someone could make a Glock conversion for tok ammo.
Quote from: ducatiz on January 08, 2011, 09:42:56 AM
I recently ordered a tokorev upper for my AR. 7.62x25 ammo is running around 7-9 c per round these days. It isn't as powerful as 5.56 or 7.62x39, but it hits very hard out of a 10" barrel (AR pistol).
The kit runs about $1000 for the upper, mag well adapter and converted magazines. They have a very good rep, and I need something to shoot all this Tok ammo I bought.
It would be awesome if someone could make a Glock conversion for tok ammo.
I just bought a .22 upper for mine ;D
I'll take some pics later on and post them
Quote from: SA_S2R on January 08, 2011, 11:33:04 AM
I just bought a .22 upper for mine ;D
I'll take some pics later on and post them
the 22 upper conversion is a great idea, but it's a huge step down in ballistics.
the tokarev setup isn't a confversion, you have to use a totally separate upper and barrel.
makes a good pistol caliber version. if you've ever used a 9mm AR you'll understand what I mean.
5.56 nato, SS109:
62 gr SS109 FMJBT 3,100 ft/s 1,303 ft·lbf
Tokarev (Romanian load):
85 gr FMJ
1,720 ft/s 560 ft·lbf
9mm (typical)
140 gr FMJ 1,000 ft/s 309 ft·lbf
22LR (typical 40gr)
40 gr 1,080 ft/s 104 ft·lbf
It hits with a lot less energy than a 5.56 round, but almost 90% harder than a typical 9mm round.
Took the 1911 shooting yesterday and it liked the Russian Tula brand ammo well enough. May buy a bunch of that for the .45 just for range shooting. I was a bit concerned as I'd heard whispers here and there of it being shoddy, and people finding squibs in it, but it worked well enough for me.
And amen to needing a .22 something-or-another...
Used to shoot a Makarov a lot, but 9x18 has gotten just about as expensive as anything else. :-\
Considering picking up a CZ-52 and using it as my range plinking pistol, given how cheap 7.62x25 is (right now).
Quote from: zarn02 on January 08, 2011, 03:32:07 PM
Took the 1911 shooting yesterday and it liked the Russian Tula brand ammo well enough. May buy a bunch of that for the .45 just for range shooting. I was a bit concerned as I'd heard whispers here and there of it being shoddy, and people finding squibs in it, but it worked well enough for me.
And amen to needing a .22 something-or-another...
Used to shoot a Makarov a lot, but 9x18 has gotten just about as expensive as anything else. :-\
Considering picking up a CZ-52 and using it as my range plinking pistol, given how cheap 7.62x25 is (right now).
CZ 70's are a bit cheaper right now.
Also, you might consider a 9mm. The price of 32/7.65 and 9mm are pretty much the same.
I'm thinking about a new AR upper.
5.45x39 or 7.62x39? Colt and S&W make them. Is there an obvious forerunner?
I still like looking at the stacks of cases of Norinco ammo I have. ;D Cheap as hell Y2K purchases that run in everything I have. I've bought plenty of "name brand" since but when it comes to massive plink and practice outings I still bust out the non-corrosive Chinese junk. And to think my ex-wife used to think I was crazy for buying all those cases of ammo from Michael Tinney. [bang] [laugh] During the recent ammo shortage I could have bought a new 1098R from the profits made from selling my stash. But I'd rather still have the ammo! [thumbsup]
Happy shooting... and riding! [moto]
Quote from: rgramjet on January 08, 2011, 03:57:30 PM
I'm thinking about a new AR upper.
5.45x39 or 7.62x39? Colt and S&W make them. Is there an obvious forerunner?
7.62 is really cheap right now
Quote from: SA_S2R on January 08, 2011, 06:29:40 AM
The key words there are "needing it"
Again if your life might depend on it then spend the extra, but if you are buying for casual plinking, which is what I thought he wanted, then save the cash. For plinking, I'd rather buy a $600 AR15 and maybe have to replace a trigger part oo front sight for $50 than spend $1000 on a decent AR, or $2000 for a top of the line gun.
Also think of resale. You won't get shit for a DPMS Pos, but if you were selling a Colt, Les Baer, etc. you would get some
of your money back.
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 09, 2011, 12:27:53 AM
Also think of resale. You won't get shit for a DPMS Pos, but if you were selling a Colt, Les Baer, etc. you would get some
of your money back.
I've sold a few pistols, since I mainly only keep them for personal protection or curiosities. They are tools. But rifles? I have sold one in my lifetime and I still regret it. I don't think I'll ever sell any more longarms.
As long as we are on AR uppers any one have any experiance with the 5.7 x 28 uppers? I know the rounds not dirt cheap to shoot, mainly because there are no manufactures for it, but I allready have the Five seveN pistol and have been thinking of getting a rifle to go along with it. The AR57 upper is alot cheaper than a PS90 and in my opinion better looking.
I hadn't even seen that upper yet, wow. Talk about proprietary mags -- the PS90 mags always crack me up.
It's interesting if it's a pistol or SBR, but in a long barrel? Anything over 10 inches and you're going to get projectile drag. All of those 5.7 rounds are fast burning powders.
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 09, 2011, 12:27:53 AM
Also think of resale. You won't get shit for a DPMS Pos, but if you were selling a Colt, Les Baer, etc. you would get some
of your money back.
Maybe the markets are different where you are at, but here if I put together an AR for $550, I'm not going to have much trouble selling it for $500 a year later, and if I looked around I could probably get the whole $550 back.
The Les Baer stuff is gorgeous, almost picked up one myself, but decided to build an AR instead. Once you get a good barrel, trigger and free floating forearm, the accuracy is pretty much taken care of, and the rest of the bits can be cheaper stuff.
Quote from: humorless dp on January 08, 2011, 03:49:13 PM
CZ 70's are a bit cheaper right now.
Also, you might consider a 9mm. The price of 32/7.65 and 9mm are pretty much the same.
7.62x25 is not .32, the CZ-52 shoots Tokarev (7.62) ammo.
I can find it as cheap as 7c/rd plus ship, whereas 9mm runs 16c/rd plus ship (in quantity)
I can't stand the CZ52, it's like shooting a zipgun.
I've talked to a couple of smiths about cutting a barrel and modifying a magazine for a Glock 21. The problem with the Tokarev round is that it is so LONG, it won't fit into a 9mm frame at all, almost 5mm longer.
The only other option I can think of would be to convert a 5.7x28 pistol, but I wonder if there would be a thick enough barrel without modifying the slide... :-/
Shame, all that cheap cheap ammo.
My mistake...
I do think the 70 is a better pistol
Quote from: humorless dp on January 09, 2011, 11:00:49 AM
My mistake...
I do think the 70 is a better pistol
it's about 30 years newer design and made for the commercial market, so i'd have to agree. but totally different question.
i wouldn't bother with a .32 unless it's a superduper compact like the old keltec p32, i.e. 6oz unloaded. it's not an effective round in general.
I thought we were talking about plinking?
Quote from: humorless dp on January 09, 2011, 11:47:40 AM
I thought we were talking about plinking?
nope, talking about alternative rounds... like tokarev... [thumbsup]
Quote from: zarn02 on January 08, 2011, 03:32:07 PM
Took the 1911 shooting yesterday and it liked the Russian Tula brand ammo well enough. May buy a bunch of that for the .45 just for range shooting. I was a bit concerned as I'd heard whispers here and there of it being shoddy, and people finding squibs in it, but it worked well enough for me.
And amen to needing a .22 something-or-another...
Used to shoot a Makarov a lot, but 9x18 has gotten just about as expensive as anything else. :-\
Considering picking up a CZ-52 and using it as my range plinking pistol, given how cheap 7.62x25 is (right now).
Quote from: humorless dp on January 09, 2011, 11:47:40 AM
I thought we were talking about plinking?
Quote from: ducatiz on January 09, 2011, 11:56:20 AM
nope, talking about alternative rounds... like tokarev... [thumbsup]
cool hand luke (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fuDDqU6n4o#normal)
;D
Quote from: ducatiz on January 08, 2011, 09:42:56 AM
I recently ordered a tokorev upper for my AR. 7.62x25 ammo is running around 7-9 c per round these days. It isn't as powerful as 5.56 or 7.62x39, but it hits very hard out of a 10" barrel (AR pistol).
The kit runs about $1000 for the upper, mag well adapter and converted magazines. They have a very good rep, and I need something to shoot all this Tok ammo I bought.
It would be awesome if someone could make a Glock conversion for tok ammo.
Gramps, you forgot this one, which is what prompted the talk of 7.62x25..
But I'll fergiv ya
Quote from: ducatiz on January 09, 2011, 12:38:40 PM
Gramps, you forgot this one, which is what prompted the talk of 7.62x25..
But I'll fergiv ya
I'm not talking to you any more. :-*
Quote from: humorless dp on January 09, 2011, 12:41:47 PM
I'm not talking to you any more. :-*
i know you'll forget that too later... :-)
Good thing for you. [laugh]
[laugh]
With all due respect to all our folks in the military, my brother told me yesterday (when he told me about the shooting of the Congresswoman in AZ) that the nut case at Ft. Hood that shot all those soldiers last year fired like 140 rounds from his FN 5.7 pistol. Is that true? Holy shit, how many magazines did that idiot have with him? Thank God he did not hit and injure/kill more than he did. I had no idea he expended that many rounds. Too bad that women security officer didn't ventilate his sorry ass better than she did. Much like the nut case in AZ. [bang] Both should be pushing up daisys.
^^^^
"An investigator later testified that 146 spent shell casings were recovered inside the building.[20] Another 68 were collected outside, for a total of 214.[20] A medic who treated Hasan said his pockets were full of pistol magazines.[25] When the shooting ended, he was still carrying 177 rounds of unfired ammunition in his pockets, contained in both 20- and 30-round magazines.[20] The incident, which lasted about 10 minutes,[26] resulted in 30 people wounded, and 13 killed â€" 12 soldiers and one civilian; 11 died at the scene, and two died later in a hospital."
Damn. Thank God he didn't hit any more than he did. I had no idea he shot that many times. Guess we should be glad he was a poor marksman. Either that or he put that many 5.7 rounds into those he shot. Unbelievably make the beast with two backsing sad either way. I feel bad about even bringing this up. Enough already. :P Let's move on...
I'm teaching a class all this coming week. 10hr range days, with white light night shoot on wed., and LA5 on thur night. We will run through about 135k of 5.56 and 100k of 9mm. ;)
I'll take anything you have left over. ;D
Quote from: humorless dp on January 09, 2011, 07:42:00 PM
I'll take anything you have left over. ;D
Come down any time bro. When I'm running a long gun course, I can let you plink some steel out to 1,000. ;)
Quote from: oldfastwin on January 09, 2011, 07:01:10 PM
Too bad that women security officer didn't ventilate his sorry ass better than she did.
Since you brought it up, he shot and wounded her. Another male officer is the one that put him down.
Didn't know that for sure. Going on ancient memory stick here. I remember a female security officer getting into a shootfest with him and he went down. So I thought. She was former military and went private security on base. Yes? No? Exact detail fails me these days. In years to come you will be able to relate grasshopper. [laugh] [laugh] [beer] More importantly, I'm just glad doofus didn't knock down more soldiers. So make the beast with two backsing sad. :P
Quote from: oldfastwin on January 09, 2011, 08:08:20 PM
Didn't know that for sure. Going on ancient memory stick here. I remember a female security officer getting into a shootfest with him and he went down. So I thought. She was former military and went private security on base. Yes? No? Exact detail fails me these days. In years to come you will be able to relate grasshopper. [laugh] [laugh] [beer] More importantly, I'm just glad doofus didn't knock down more soldiers. So make the beast with two backsing sad. :P
Dude I''m 56. ;) Kimberly may or may not have shot "at" him. He hit her twice then walked over and kicked her gun out of reach. He ran into the other security officer after that.
Kids... :P
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 09, 2011, 07:45:03 PM
Come down any time bro. When I'm running a long gun course, I can let you plink some steel out to 1,000. ;)
I'll bring vodka. ;D
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 09, 2011, 07:45:03 PM
Come down any time bro. When I'm running a long gun course, I can let you plink some steel out to 1,000. ;)
What/where do you teach? Id love to come out and learn a thing or three.
DMF range days anyone?
We could meet at fastwins ranch and leave a crater behind :D
You're not gonna crash this time are you? [laugh] [laugh]
Quote from: Monsterlover on January 09, 2011, 08:38:46 PM
What/where do you teach? Id love to come out and learn a thing or three.
20th SFG SOTD in AL.
Quote from: Monsterlover on January 09, 2011, 08:38:46 PM
What/where do you teach? Id love to come out and learn a thing or three.
Here is a very early vid from our course.
20th Special Forces Group (Airborne) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXhJl4bXLQQ#normal)
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 09, 2011, 08:11:54 PM
Dude I''m 56. ;) Kimberly may or may not have shot "at" him. He hit her twice then walked over and kicked her gun out of reach. He ran into the other security officer after that.
Hey, were the same age! Therefore we know it all! [laugh] [bang] It's kinda like being 18 all over again! [clap] OK, too bad the other officer didn't ventilate the shit out of him. >:( Why stop shooting? In my tact shotgun class I told folks to stop shooting until the yahoo stopped doing what ever it was that made you want to shoot them in the first place. Not my idea, but a damn good one from Clint Smith.
Heard that heavy thump of a twin rotor Chinook over my house the other day. Don't hear that very often in town.
Quote from: oldfastwin on January 09, 2011, 08:51:34 PM
Hey, were the same age! Therefore we know it all! [laugh] [bang] It's kinda like being 18 all over again! [clap] OK, too bad the other officer didn't ventilate the shit out of him. >:( Why stop shooting? In my tact shotgun class I told folks to stop shooting until the yahoo stopped doing what ever it was that made you want to shoot them in the first place. Not my idea, but a damn good one from Clint Smith.
He put him down with a few shots, one was in the spine. He is paralyzed from the chest down, so I guess he shot till he
went down? Dunno, wasn't there.
Now, I'm all jacked the make the beast with two backs up. I need a bourbon.
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 09, 2011, 08:56:30 PM
Now, I'm all jacked the make the beast with two backs up. I need a bourbon.
Calm down bro... ;)
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 09, 2011, 08:56:30 PM
Now, I'm all jacked the make the beast with two backs up. I need a bourbon.
I'll meet you half way with some tequila! [thumbsup] Peace out. [drink]
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 09, 2011, 08:49:35 PM
Here is a very early vid from our course.
20th Special Forces Group (Airborne) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXhJl4bXLQQ#normal)
Looks like a good time [thumbsup]
Doesn't look like the sort of class for people like me though
Quote from: oldfastwin on January 09, 2011, 09:00:16 PM
I'll meet you half way with some tequila! [thumbsup] Peace out. [drink]
[thumbsup] [drink]
Quote from: Monsterlover on January 09, 2011, 09:00:43 PM
Looks like a good time [thumbsup]
Doesn't look like the sort of class for people like me though
Just sign right here. :D
Pretty long lights hanging off the end of them M9s. [evil]
Quote from: Rameses on January 09, 2011, 10:56:53 PM
I would if they'd take me.
They won't take me either. ;D
Vodka doesn't come in MREs you know
Modified short-stroke piston AR chambered for Tokarev ammo.
Watch the whole video, but the fun part starts when he uses his custom loads (200gr subsonics!!!) at 2:00 with a can.
7.62x25tok.mpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hitKrIXOnLY#normal)
Quote from: Monsterlover on January 10, 2011, 04:54:55 AM
Vodka doesn't come in MREs you know
Neither does insulin. :-\
Quote from: Monsterlover on January 10, 2011, 04:54:55 AM
Vodka doesn't come in MREs you know
Maybe it should. ;D [thumbsup]
Quote from: ducatiz on January 10, 2011, 06:37:05 AM
Modified short-stroke piston AR chambered for Tokarev ammo.
Watch the whole video, but the fun part starts when he uses his custom loads (200gr subsonics!!!) at 2:00 with a can.
7.62x25tok.mpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hitKrIXOnLY#normal)
Very nice!! I wonder what the terminal energy of those sub rounds would be... [evil]
I can't believe how quiet that was
Quote from: DRKWNG on January 10, 2011, 01:14:18 PM
Very nice!! I wonder what the terminal energy of those sub rounds would be... [evil]
good question, but hard to do. 200 gr projectiles and how much powder... he doesn't post the muzzle velocity, which you can use to calculate the energy at the muzzle...
Quote from: Monsterlover on January 10, 2011, 02:09:15 PM
I can't believe how quiet that was
yeah, tell me about it. tic tic tic tic tic
Quote from: ducatiz on January 10, 2011, 02:30:04 PM
good question, but hard to do. 200 gr projectiles and how much powder... he doesn't post the muzzle velocity, which you can use to calculate the energy at the muzzle...
Exactly. Still though, one could pull of some serious back porch shenanigans with that thing... ;)
Quote from: DRKWNG on January 10, 2011, 03:14:29 PM
Exactly. Still though, one could pull of some serious back porch shenanigans with that thing... ;)
Back porch shenanigans. . .
ML approves of this term [thumbsup]
I'm almost tempted to explore copying that setup just so I can shoot a rifle and only hear the bolt clicking [laugh]
^ Try to get your hands on an MP5SD. Run some 147gr subsonic rounds through though and you'll :o ;D [evil]
I've got a MP5 with a three lug barrel. I have thought many times of going through the hassle and expense to get a can. The rare moment of common sense and the constant temptation of DRKWNG's "back porch shenanigans" have kept me from it. ;D I'd rather have a "muffled" 10/22 Ruger for those hi-jinks. I have friends that have silenced .22s and they are unbelievably fun! Same thing... tic, tic, tic of the bolt and then ding, ding, ding off the steel target. Damn cheap to shoot too. Aguila sub sonic .22 ammo is awesome in those guns.
If any of you go to Finland, you can buy cans over the counter in any hunting store. They consider it a normal part of shooting. Why wear ear plugs and annoy your neighbors when you can buy a $30-50 piece of hardware and make everyone happy?
Quote from: DRKWNG on January 10, 2011, 03:37:28 PM
^ Try to get your hands on an MP5SD. Run some 147gr subsonic rounds through though and you'll :o ;D [evil]
I googled "MP5SD" and found this
(http://www.hk94.com/images/gold-mp5sd.jpg)
Quote from: DRKWNG on January 10, 2011, 03:06:39 AM
Pretty long lights hanging off the end of them M9s. [evil]
Yeah, that was back in 01. All the kit has changed big time in the past 10yrs.
The Finns don't take shit off of anyone. Ask the Russians. The Winter War between Finland and Russia began Nov. 30, 1939 and ended in mutual truce on March 12, 1940. The Russians took one hell of a beating. They lost 25% of their air force, hundreds of thousands of causalities and wounded and probably regretted ever picking on the Finns. I can see them thinking silencers are no big deal. They like to shoot. [popcorn]
There was a great article that someone posted I think on the Gun Pic thread (maybe???) about a Finnish sniper in that war that just kicked ass on the Russians. Anyone remember that story? If anyone finds it re-post it here please. It's a good one!
Cans are illegal in most states correct?
Quote from: Monsterlover on January 10, 2011, 04:09:29 PM
I googled "MP5SD" and found this
(http://www.hk94.com/images/gold-mp5sd.jpg)
Try again. The SD has a big, non removeable can. It is non removeable, right? I think it is. I've only shot MP5s with cans on 3 lug barrels. HK94s are the normal, 16" barrel, semi auto version of the MP5s.
Quote from: cokey on January 10, 2011, 04:16:58 PM
Cans are illegal in most states correct?
Have to pay the Fed tax.
not sure about individual states.
Quote from: cokey on January 10, 2011, 04:16:58 PM
Cans are illegal in most states correct?
I fairly certain they are only illegal in 11 states (of course I don't know which ones)
but they need the magic 200 dollar stamp
$200 bucks huh. . .
well, I can justify that in ear plug savings.
It will take time, but dammit, there will be a savings :D
Quote from: oldfastwin on January 10, 2011, 04:18:36 PM
Try again. The SD has a big, non removeable can. It is non removeable, right? I think it is. I've only shot MP5s with cans on 3 lug barrels. HK94s are the normal, 16" barrel, semi auto version of the MP5s.
I noticed it said HK94. . .
I just thought it was amusing with the gold and all
On another note, anyone use one of these?
http://shopruger.com/The-UpLULA-9mm-Mag-Loader/productinfo/12031/ (http://shopruger.com/The-UpLULA-9mm-Mag-Loader/productinfo/12031/)
granted I've never had a magazine with a capacity above 15rnds and I only have 5
but
I've never understood the need for one of those
I'm I missing something?
Quote from: oldfastwin on January 10, 2011, 04:15:16 PM
The Finns don't take shit off of anyone. Ask the Russians. The Winter War between Finland and Russia began Nov. 30, 1939 and ended in mutual truce on March 12, 1940. The Russians took one hell of a beating. They lost 25% of their air force, hundreds of thousands of causalities and wounded and probably regretted ever picking on the Finns. I can see them thinking silencers are no big deal. They like to shoot. [popcorn]
There was a great article that someone posted I think on the Gun Pic thread (maybe???) about a Finnish sniper in that war that just kicked ass on the Russians. Anyone remember that story? If anyone finds it re-post it here please. It's a good one!
His name is Simo Haya, nicknamed "White Death" by the Soviets. He used an UNscoped mosin nagant rifle.
Quote from: humorless dp on January 10, 2011, 04:19:26 PM
Have to pay the Fed tax.
not sure about individual states.
same as machine guns except cans can be new manufacture. states that disallow mgs also disallow cans (and sbrs and aows). cans and mgs are on the same form.
Quote from: Mother on January 10, 2011, 04:32:54 PM
granted I've never had a magazine with a capacity above 15rnds and I only have 5
but
I've never understood the need for one of those
I'm I missing something?
one day you'll bust a thumb on a mag lip and change your mind.. its a convenience thing
Quote from: Mother on January 10, 2011, 04:32:54 PM
granted I've never had a magazine with a capacity above 15rnds and I only have 5
but
I've never understood the need for one of those
I'm I missing something?
Not really. Unless you are loading 4-500 rds on a cold day. Like you said not really necessary.
Quote from: cokey on January 10, 2011, 04:16:58 PM
Cans are illegal in most states correct?
I doubt any state laws would trump federal laws. But I am no lawyer. The deal with any Class III weapon (or silencer, etc.) transfer is getting the proper official in your county/parrish/province to sign the ATF paperwork for you. Commonly it's the Chief of Police, The District Attorney, the Sheriff or a State District Judge that hears felony criminal cases. Not a misdemeanor criminal court judge, Justice of the Peace, or a civil/municipal court judge. Then you would have to submit that to the ATF for a complete ATF and FBI background check, along with your $200 cashiers check for the tax stamp. The law was passed in 1934 when you could buy a Thompson machine gun at your local hardware store. No shit! I don't believe it's really been messed with or modified much since then. Maybe ducatiz can chime in about that legal part. ;D
The other way to do it is to form a corporation and have the weapon, etc. transferred into the corp.'s name. It's all very legal and people do it all the time. Not me... just saying. I'm sure all of this info is available on line at the ATF's website.
Cokey, you should check with your local authorities for their spin on this. Or wait to you move to Texas!! [laugh]
On the other hand these are money.
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ARR603-7.html (http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ARR603-7.html)
Quote from: Mother on January 10, 2011, 04:32:54 PM
granted I've never had a magazine with a capacity above 15rnds and I only have 5
but
I've never understood the need for one of those
I'm I missing something?
My ruger came with a stamped steel mag loader and it works *ok*
After using the thing all day and seeing the video of the uplula in use
well, I don't like my stamped steel one so much now :P
Never needed a loader. Figured that's why the good Lord gave me thumbs! [laugh] I have thumbs of steel. [cheeky]
Quote from: oldfastwin on January 10, 2011, 04:44:58 PM
Never needed a loader. Figured that's why the good Lord gave me thumbs! [laugh] I have thumbs of steel. [cheeky]
Well, some guys don't want to ruin their manicure. ;)
Yea ill wait..
Thanks ducatiz!! That's the Finn I was talking about. I just need to find that story link and re-post it. Great read. The Russkies finally shot him in the face but he survived. Not many Russians did when they crossed his path. I think they even had a bounty on him. Not so much a $$ reward but just a "kill that guy" order. Kind of like the Viet Cong had on Whitefeather.
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 10, 2011, 04:46:23 PM
Well, some guys don't want to ruin their manicure. ;)
Raises hand. ;D
I have an Uplula loader. I can load 90 rounds in my 9mm in about 3 minutes.
Call me Sally if you must. ;D
Quote from: humorless dp on January 10, 2011, 05:18:53 PM
Call me Sally if you must. ;D
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z53/b_upton/facepalm/sally-fergie-400a319.jpg)
;D
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [drink]
Quote from: DRKWNG on January 10, 2011, 05:30:12 PM
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z53/b_upton/facepalm/sally-fergie-400a319.jpg)
;D
Ask Kopf if you need to...
us old guys just get even. :-*
Quote from: humorless dp on January 10, 2011, 05:32:26 PM
Ask Kopf if you need to...
us old guys just get even. :-*
What was your buddies quote....."Bring a chair." :D
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 10, 2011, 05:34:41 PM
What was your buddies quote....."Bring a chair." :D
[laugh]
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 10, 2011, 05:34:41 PM
What was your buddies quote....."Bring a chair." :D
...and they say the memory fades. ;)
Jim is quite a cat. [thumbsup] [laugh]
Quote from: ducatiz on January 10, 2011, 04:34:03 PM
His name is Simo Haya, nicknamed "White Death" by the Soviets. He used an UNscoped mosin nagant rifle.
Yep.
Hayha claims that a majority of his 505 kills were without glass at over 400 yards.
And the guy that shot him in the face... he picked his rifle up and killed him.
http://mosinnagant.net/finland/simohayha.asp (http://mosinnagant.net/finland/simohayha.asp)
I just picked up a MN a little over a week ago.
Don't know why, but I've always had a thing for them.
Just ordered a mag loader
http://trophysoutdoors.com/node/8629 (http://trophysoutdoors.com/node/8629)
$32 shipped. I didn't think that was too bad.
Besides, there will be a cost savings from having my nails done less often ;D
I might as well ask you all about my scope that's wacked. . .
I have a 6x Bushnell sportsman scope on my .22 Marlin bolt rifle. I bought it for like $40 at a gun show 15 years ago at least.
It's always been good, and the gun has been pretty accurate with it.
Recently I noticed that I had trouble focusing on the target and the cross hairs at the same time. The horizontal cross hair is out of focus (the vertical one is fine)
At first I thought it was me needing to get my eyes looked at (its been a while and I'm sure they'll want me to start wearing glasses for distance) but my dad gave it a look and he confirmed it to be off.
Bushnell wants me to send this thing in for repair at unknown cost. Should I bother or just buy something else?
I'd just pick up a new one.
I bought a BSA scope for my 22 for cheap off Midway.
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/default.aspx?productNumber=711209 (http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/default.aspx?productNumber=711209)
Im looking there now. . .
why are centerfire optics more than rimfire? Shock resistance?
Looks like I can get something nice for under a hundred bucks.
[thumbsup]
Quote from: Monsterlover on January 11, 2011, 01:29:56 PM
Im looking there now. . .
why are centerfire optics more than rimfire? Shock resistance?
Looks like I can get something nice for under a hundred bucks.
[thumbsup]
I think that's it.
There are several nice ones for under a hundred.
It is only a 22 though, and that BSA scope for 20 bucks works just fine.
Yep.
Looking at this guy ---> http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/default.aspx?productNumber=614092 (http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/default.aspx?productNumber=614092)
Quote from: Monsterlover on January 11, 2011, 01:46:54 PM
Yep.
Looking at this guy ---> http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/default.aspx?productNumber=614092 (http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/default.aspx?productNumber=614092)
If it's a bolt action you
may have trouble removing the bolt.
When I bought my 22 it has a scope on it and I bought the small BSA specifically to remedy the problem of not being able to remove the bolt.
Higher rings would solve that, but IMO 22's look stupid with a giant scope. You're only shooting 100'. :P
Why trouble with the bolt? That scope is about the same size as what's on there.
I've never worked another bolt action gun in person, but on this one you just keep the trigger pulled as you open the bolt and pull it back. It slides straight out the back of the gun.
Quote from: Monsterlover on January 11, 2011, 01:55:03 PM
Why trouble with the bolt? That scope is about the same size as what's on there.
I've never worked another bolt action gun in person, but on this one you just keep the trigger pulled as you open the bolt and pull it back. It slides straight out the back of the gun.
Mines removes the same way. It's a rifle made by Marlin.
On mine the handle wouldn't clear the bell when it was raised up.
What model marlin? Mines a Glenfield model 20 made for sears back in the day.
I'll take measurements before I buy anything. . .
Quote from: Monsterlover on January 11, 2011, 02:00:10 PM
What model marlin? Mines a Glenfield model 20 made for sears back in the day.
I'll take measurements before I buy anything. . .
Mines a JC Higgins model 103.xxx (I forget) made for Sears.
I was just googling that model 103 (pretty close to mine btw) and what do I find?
This tomfoolery
http://dailygunpictures.blogspot.com/2010/03/homemade-remington-1740-12-gauge-double.html (http://dailygunpictures.blogspot.com/2010/03/homemade-remington-1740-12-gauge-double.html)
Quote from: Monsterlover on January 11, 2011, 02:21:01 PM
I was just googling that model 103 (pretty close to mine btw) and what do I find?
This tomfoolery
http://dailygunpictures.blogspot.com/2010/03/homemade-remington-1740-12-gauge-double.html (http://dailygunpictures.blogspot.com/2010/03/homemade-remington-1740-12-gauge-double.html)
That's nuts...I like it. [laugh]
I bought this 22 because it was just like the very first rifle I ever fired.
It works great for it's intended purpose and was cheap.
Yep, it's one step up from putting a round in a pipe and setting it off with a rock [laugh]
Now that's a shotgun! ;D Couldn't get the video in the link to work. Too bad, I wanted to see that! :o
Clear your mind and imagine. . .
Big boom.
:D
Anyone own or have experience with hi-point carbines in .45acp or 9mm?
I almost bought one in 9mm at a gun show yesterday.
(http://www.hi-pointfirearms.com/images/tsLG.gif)
http://www.hi-pointfirearms.com/carbines/carbines_9mm.html (http://www.hi-pointfirearms.com/carbines/carbines_9mm.html)
Nope. But they have been around a while so I would assume if they ever had quality/function problems they would have been worked out by now. Can't remember how long they've been in my cranium data base but it's been a good while. And I don't notice their spare magazines for sale in catalogs but then again I'm not looking for them. Not much help... situation pretty much normal. ;D
OK, I just looked in my latest Cheaper Than Dirt mega catalog that arrived a couple of days ago and in the magazine section it only listed Hi-Point mags in .380, .40S&W and .45ACP. And those were 9 and 10 rnd capacity. I'm betting those are pistol mags that also fit the carbines. CTD did not list any 9mm magazines... weird. Hi-Point's website show the capacity for the 9mm carbine as 10 rnds. No indication that anyone makes higher cap mags for the carbines.
Yeah I think 10 rounds is all they make.
Looks like it could be fun.
SPG has higher capacity mags (15 I think) and ATI makes a repl stock for them. They are fun. Nothing you'd get excellent accuracy but the action is surprisingly robust for pot metal. I bought one years ago but sold it to a friend. I wanted a pistol cal carbine but wanted more capacity.
If you like the pistol cal carbines check out the Ruger PC9 and 40 rifles. They use the ruger pistol mags so are easier to equip.
Just picked up a Remington 742 Woodsmaster in .308. The guy bought it new in 1974 and it has less than 50 rounds though it. Has a "Mauser" 3-9x40 scope......anyone know about Mauser scopes?
Looking forward to giving it a shot!
I'm also interested in scopes. Debating a long rifle to round out my firearms and I'm a bit stumped. I probably won't do any hunting with it and, unless I find a place other than the range, I'll likely only take it out about 10 times a year.
Any suggestions? Strongly leaning towards a Remington 700 in .308 but I can be persuaded.
Quote from: sugarcrook on January 30, 2011, 07:09:58 PM
I'm also interested in scopes. Debating a long rifle to round out my firearms and I'm a bit stumped. I probably won't do any hunting with it and, unless I find a place other than the range, I'll likely only take it out about 10 times a year.
Any suggestions? Strongly leaning towards a Remington 700 in .308 but I can be persuaded.
I've got a Remington PSS with a Vari X 2, 3-9x50 scope and QD mounts that Ive been thinking about selling.....
I'm not sure how I'd get it here.... I'm in CA and you're just outside of Hollywood for Ugly People.
Quote from: sugarcrook on January 30, 2011, 08:19:19 PM
I'm not sure how I'd get it here.... I'm in CA and you're just outside of Hollywood for Ugly People.
bolt rifles in any caliber except 50 bmg are still legal across the board in CA...
http://ddupleks.lv/EN/ddupleks_products/show/Hexolit32 (http://ddupleks.lv/EN/ddupleks_products/show/Hexolit32)
(http://ddupleks.lv/data/Image/hexolit32mazs.gif)
"The overall slug impact effect was instant â€" there was no agony."
[roll]
Quote from: Mother on February 01, 2011, 07:00:07 AM
"The overall slug impact effect was instant â€" there was no agony."
[roll]
Except for the person who had to fish out the pieces..............
Yowzer! That hurt to even look at that link! :o Made me remember a video my brother sent me a couple of years ago about a hunting arrow tip that popped open in a similar fashion and spun like a saw blade. The company's videos showed bow hunters shooting their arrows at wild turkeys and their spinning saw blade like arrows were decapitating turkeys left and right! Anyone seen that one?
Quote from: oldfastwin on February 01, 2011, 09:26:22 AM
Yowzer! That hurt to even look at that link! :o
no
they are agonyless
website said so
Quote from: oldfastwin on February 01, 2011, 09:26:22 AM
Made me remember a video my brother sent me a couple of years ago about a hunting arrow tip that popped open in a similar fashion and spun like a saw blade. The company's videos showed bow hunters shooting their arrows at wild turkeys and their spinning saw blade like arrows were decapitating turkeys left and right! Anyone seen that one?
I've shot those
I don't remeber them spinning like a sawblade or decapitating turkeys
but
I know what you are talking about
good broadheads
link or pic?
Quote from: Monsterlover on February 01, 2011, 10:44:07 AM
link or pic?
Google
G5-T3
Rage 2
Wasp Jackhammer
Bloodrunner 2
they are all similar
I looked back in my emails and I must have deleted it. It was a while back. No way I'll remember the name of the arrow or the company's name. But they were loping off turkey heads like it was going out of style in the video. They would abviously aim at the turkey's neck and these razor like blades would extend from the head under centrifical force once the arrow was released. It was pretty wicked. I'll try to find it somewhere.
Edit:
I think it was something like this. This looks real familiar but even if it's not the same vid it shows the same type of arrow head and the damage.
Turkey Guillotine Arrows (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMALbjYnNNQ&feature=related#normal)
Extended version of video.
Gobbler Guillotine (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkMabADoA1s&feature=related#normal)
...<speechless> :o
that's pretty cool [thumbsup]
now someone get to work on extendable bladed bullets
or
the new RPG can be a Rocket Propelled Guillotine
I think I was wrong about the arrow tip. I thought they opened up like that shotgun slug. The quick view they give of the arrow head in the video shows the blades already extended. Maybe they are fixed. My post about them opening up was based on memory from a video attachment in an old email. I've slept since then. ;D Regardless whether they open or are fixed they seem to be very effective. The only thing missing was Sarah Palin doing an interview on live TV in front of the turkey getting whacked!!! [laugh] [laugh]
[laugh]
that is just f**cking unreal.
hunt, slaughter and butcher all in one!
It's a package deal. ;)
Quote from: oldfastwin on February 02, 2011, 09:51:15 AM
I think I was wrong about the arrow tip. I thought they opened up like that shotgun slug. The quick view they give of the arrow head in the video shows the blades already extended. Maybe they are fixed. My post about them opening up was based on memory from a video attachment in an old email. I've slept since then. ;D Regardless whether they open or are fixed they seem to be very effective. The only thing missing was Sarah Palin doing an interview on live TV in front of the turkey getting whacked!!! [laugh] [laugh]
They don't fold up, they are fixed. I think Cabelas, Bass Pro and Academy usually carry them
I didn't realize you could set up an ar to shoot .45 acp or 9x19
Is this a reasonable setup for this rifle?
Thinking of this as an option over a hi-point or ruger rifle in either of those calibers. More versatile that way.
Thoughts?
Get a Five seveN and then get the 5.7x28 upper for the AR
Quote from: Monsterlover on February 02, 2011, 08:54:02 PM
I didn't realize you could set up an ar to shoot .45 acp or 9x19
Is this a reasonable setup for this rifle?
Thinking of this as an option over a hi-point or ruger rifle in either of those calibers. More versatile that way.
Thoughts?
9mm ARs have been around for a long time. Colt converted one a long while ago, put a 10" barrel on it and set it up for blowback. They just call it the Colt SMG. http://www.colt.com/mil/SMG.asp (http://www.colt.com/mil/SMG.asp)
(http://www.colt.com/mil/images/SMG.jpg)
Reasonable? Hell yeah. That's why I wanted the AR in the Tokarev load -- CHEAP ammo!
You can chamber an AR in practically anything that is shorter than an AR magazine, which means a lot of loads can be used. 45? I don't think I've seen it, but I've seen lots based on the 5.56 case (i.e. Grendel, 6.8SPC) and a special 50 cal load, 9mm, Tokarev, 22 and others.
Quote from: Monsterlover on February 02, 2011, 08:54:02 PM
I didn't realize you could set up an ar to shoot .45 acp or 9x19
Is this a reasonable setup for this rifle?
Thinking of this as an option over a hi-point or ruger rifle in either of those calibers. More versatile that way.
Thoughts?
Rock River makes a couple. One in .40 and one in 9mm.
(http://www.rockriverarms.com/images/products/pu40car.gif)
If I built something like that I would just have to swap out the upper and mag to shoot a different caliber. Correct?
The bolt and extractor and adjustinj the gas port
There is always just a bit more to it than meets the eye. RRA I think recommends a special hammer, etc so you end up having a dedicated lower for your pistol caliber carbine. Not bad, just not quite as flexible as one would like. The AR pistol caliber carbines are a far more usable and reliable weapon than a Hi-Point. They are cheap and they will go bang but using a Hi-Point is like having a garage full of wonderful Italian motorcycles and riding some North Korean motorized bicycle around.
Quote from: ducatiz on February 02, 2011, 10:03:02 PM
9mm ARs have been around for a long time. Colt converted one a long while ago, put a 10" barrel on it and set it up for blowback. They just call it the Colt SMG. http://www.colt.com/mil/SMG.asp (http://www.colt.com/mil/SMG.asp)
(http://www.colt.com/mil/images/SMG.jpg)
Reasonable? Hell yeah. That's why I wanted the AR in the Tokarev load -- CHEAP ammo!
You can chamber an AR in practically anything that is shorter than an AR magazine, which means a lot of loads can be used. 45? I don't think I've seen it, but I've seen lots based on the 5.56 case (i.e. Grendel, 6.8SPC) and a special 50 cal load, 9mm, Tokarev, 22 and others.
I believe Colt built that 9mm AR machine gun for the DEA several years ago. I remember pics of DEA agents all geared up for entry and they had cans on their 9mm Colts. Afterward I saw them at gun shows in semi auto. Never considered one because at the time I had a good ole UZI and a HK94 as my 9mm carbines.
Quote from: Dannyboy on February 03, 2011, 03:59:57 AM
Rock River makes a couple. One in .40 and one in 9mm.
(http://www.rockriverarms.com/images/products/pu40car.gif)
I have a Rock River built lower with a GG&G 16" quad rail upper and I am very impressed with RR quality. Good stuff! [thumbsup] Their 1911s are damn nice looking too. Never fired one but they also look very well made. I think I remember reading or hearing that the RR founders came from Les Baer. Anyone else hear that? Just curios.
Quote from: oldfastwin on February 03, 2011, 08:02:11 AM
I have a Rock River built lower with a GG&G 16" quad rail upper and I am very impressed with RR quality. Good stuff! [thumbsup] Their 1911s are damn nice looking too. Never fired one but they also look very well made. I think I remember reading or hearing that the RR founders came from Les Baer. Anyone else hear that? Just curios.
Not sure where the founders came from but, unless I missed an announcement, they aren't making 1911's anymore. I was bummed out when I read that. I really wanted one.
My 6.8 upper is an RRA and it's great. I have a lower that I'm eventually gonna register and make an SBR. Just no time soon, unfortunately.
Had no idea they dropped 1911s. :o Wow! Wonder if the market if just flooded with too many 1911 manufacturers right now? You'd think that would be the same problem for AR platforms... if that's even the case with the 1911s. Not that I need another 1911 but the Rock River .45s I have seen were very nice. Bet you can still find one. It's not like they are treasured collectors items yet. Just a damn well made auto pistol.
The only AR-15/M-16 I've ever seen fail/Jam/Break was a RRA, they don't seem to like reloads
Quote from: Mother on February 03, 2011, 09:20:59 AM
The only AR-15/M-16 I've ever seen fail/Jam/Break was a RRA, they don't seem to like reloads
OAL comes in to play on many bramds chambers.
Generally the more precise the parts the less variation from spec they'll work with.
If Glock made it it would chamber the wrong caliber. (flame suit on)
I don't think you can necessarily blame the weapon without having some details.
Anyway, the chamber on that rifle is at the back end of a GG&G upper. I don't reload so what I shoot is factory fresh. I'm just saying the RR lower is tight and well made. One of my friend's buddies that joins us for dove hunts and mancations at his west TX ranch has a complete RR AR and he really likes it. I've shot his and he's shot mine. They do what they're supposed to. [thumbsup] But again, that's factory ammo... mostly semi-cheap Federal American Eagle 55grn/fmj plinking shit. Your mileage may vary. ;D
Quote from: ducpainter on February 03, 2011, 09:23:56 AM
OAL comes in to play on many bramds chambers.
Generally the more precise the parts the less variation from spec they'll work with.
If Glock made it it would chamber the wrong caliber. (flame suit on)
I don't think you can necessarily blame the weapon without having some details.
one would assume that if the round fits in the mag the oal is fine and the rifle should chamber it and fire it
especially since it had thier wylde chamber
but
I'm no expert, it's just what I experienced
that and the bolt catch breaking
and it failing to strip rounds from magazines
and the bolt locking forward and having to beat on the charging handle to get the round out
<me, not a RRA fan>
Quote from: Mother on February 03, 2011, 10:04:02 AM
one would assume that if the round fits in the mag the oal is fine and the rifle should chamber it and fire it
especially since it had thier wylde chamber
but
I'm no expert, it's just what I experienced
that and the bolt catch breaking
and it failing to strip rounds from magazines
and the bolt locking forward and having to beat on the charging handle to get the round out
<me, not a RRA fan>
I'm no expert either, but there is more to it than just OAL.
Bullet shape can cause issues, hollow points especially, and just because it will fit in the mag doesn't mean all that much.
You can put .380 and 9x18 in the same mag. Doesn't mean it's gonna work well in the wrong chamber.
My point wasn't to assert that RRA was good or bad...that type of weapon isn't my thing.
Just that not all reloads are created equal.
Quote from: oldfastwin on February 03, 2011, 09:01:41 AM
Had no idea they dropped 1911s. :o Wow! Wonder if the market if just flooded with too many 1911 manufacturers right now? You'd think that would be the same problem for AR platforms... if that's even the case with the 1911s. Not that I need another 1911 but the Rock River .45s I have seen were very nice. Bet you can still find one. It's not like they are treasured collectors items yet. Just a damn well made auto pistol.
I think they just got so overwhelmed with people wanting AR's when whatshisname was coming into office that they pretty much just started concentrating on those. They od still make pistol parts but not complete ones.
Maybe when the dust settles over the AR excitement they will come back to square one and start making 1911s again. Hey, I hope they make a ton of $$$ on AR sales if it's more profitable than 1911s. Good for them! Everyone and the horse they rode in on seems to be making AR type rifles these days. It's hard to keep up with the Joneses! [laugh]
One thing that helps when reloading for semi-autos is to use a "small base" resizing die. A conventional reloading die does not return the case all the way back to factory specs. If you are reloading for a bolt action rifle and using the fired brass in the same rifle, it is not necessary to resize the case all the way back to factory - in fact it typically improves accuracy to minimally resize the case, providing a tight fit in the chamber. (keep an eye on case length though)
In semi-autos, a small base die will take the case nearly all the way back to factory specs. This makes for far better reliability in semi-autos but reduces case life by work hardening the brass more.
In personal experience, I have not had an issue using standard dies for 223 but have found it to be a serious problem in 308 and 30-06 in the M1A and Garand respectively.
The main issue I have found with 223 reload reliability is case length. The AR system can stretch cases badly and if they are not trimmed back nearly every reload, you will get chambering issues and high pressures due to interference with the bullet leaving the case as the longer case neck is jammed into the throat of the barrel.
Getting a case gage is good insurance for checking reloads for reliability. I've probably reloaded about 15,000 rnds of 223 in the last year or so.
When I bought my 1911 based Premier II from Les Baer, I was also looking at the Rock River Arms pistols. As I recall, from about 10 or 12 years ago, it was common knowledge that RR's founders came from Baer's shop.
I also think I remember RR's 1911s were not "certified" for sale in California.
...a word of caution about keeping your guns safe...
Two years ago I was burglarized. The crooks cut through my safe with a torch and emptied it of 22 firearms. There were some real gems in there, and I hated to lose them.
The police put on a bit of a show but ultimately did nothing.
The point is this: Although I had a quality safe, my guns were still vulnerable. I now rely on concealment as well the safe. They first have to find the safe; they then have to get into it.
Sorry if this type of thing has already been covered...
Eric M.
Was it a cheaper model, or are most all vulnerable to torches?
FWIR, Colt's no longer sells to the public at all except for the Cowboy action revolvers.
Quote from: Radar on February 03, 2011, 04:03:27 PM
When I bought my 1911 based Premier II from Les Baer, I was also looking at the Rock River Arms pistols. As I recall, from about 10 or 12 years ago, it was common knowledge that RR's founders came from Baer's shop.
I also think I remember RR's 1911s were not "certified" for sale in California.
...a word of caution about keeping your guns safe...
Two years ago I was burglarized. The crooks cut through my safe with a torch and emptied it of 22 firearms. There were some real gems in there, and I hated to lose them.
The police put on a bit of a show but ultimately did nothing.
The point is this: Although I had a quality safe, my guns were still vulnerable. I now rely on concealment as well the safe. They first have to find the safe; they then have to get into it.
Sorry if this type of thing has already been covered...
Eric M.
Damn, my worse make the beast with two backsing nightmare, them coming after all my bikes would be second. Screw the TV and my wife's jewelry!! Man, they must have known about your safe and maybe your guns. Normal house burglars don't bring a torch along. My wife and I worked in our county's criminal courthouse for years and dealt with nothing but felony crooks and their cases every day. At least a 1,000 a year. We have also both served on several state felony grand juries in our county. We have seen it all and then some and we both think like crooks because of it. It's not a bad thing. Our radar is up 24/7/365! We live in a damn Fort Knox and still worry. Even then they can still get to your stuff and that's what drives us crazy! I make the beast with two backsing hate thieves and would gladly shoot every one I could! >:(
Sorry you lost your firearms. The bikes are one thing but the guns will be sold and used on the black market for criminal use. It would kill me to know one of my stolen guns was used in a crime where someone was killed or hurt. Damn bastards!
Yeah...
The safe was of very high quality. I kept my safe in my shop. But it was in a solid concrete cinder block room blocked off from the rest of the building. They cut through my fence, broke into my shop, broke into the cinder-block room inside my shop and used MY tanks to attach THEIR cutting tip.
I had all my cutting tools locked inside the safe, along with my photography gear and guns. They had obviously broken in and scoped out the situation. They came back with their own cutting tip and went to town.
They beat up my dog, too.
During certain times of the year, I don't get out to the shop much...
If the crooks want what you have, they will get it. I'm out in the country, and I live alone, so I'm pretty vulnerable. But there's nothing I can do about it.
...except, get out of California... I've grown to hate it here.
May you never experience such heartache.
Alluding to my earlier post, hide your safe. Build something around it, bury it or camouflage it. Do what ever you can to hide it.
Eric M.
Oh, and if by some miracle I'd have caught them in action, or if I somehow ever found out who was involved, I would kill them.
My only concern would be how hard it would be to dig the hole deep enough that the cadaver dogs wouldn't notice...
...after all, they beat up my dog...
...nuff said...
Eric M.
A friend of mine laminated the door to his safe room with some foam type insulation that gave off some pretty nasty, semi toxic, smoky fumes to make the burning process a bit more unpleasant than usual.
Dude. I hate to hear this story. I have heard so much heart ache at the courthouse for so many years. I feel your pain and all of theirs. Nothing worse than working so hard to earn the money to buy your stuff then having some no good SOB asshole come and take it. They deserve the worst you or I could ever deal them... and then some!
With every theft case my wife and I dealt with our knowledge grew. We learned their tricks and ID theft BS first hand. It was like going to crook school every day. Do this, don't do that and be sure to tell all your friends and family so they don't become victims!
I always said if the dumbass crooks ever used their street smarts for a legitimate, legal venture they would become very successful business men and women! They were far from dumb, just hung a hard left instead of a right... no political bias here. Just saying. They just went the wrong way. It's not like TV crime shows. The pain and misery is off the chart and there is no fixing it. Regardless of convictions and sentences. The damage has been done to the victim and the rest of their life is one filled with paranoia and loss and a feeling that the system failed them. Glad we both don't work down there any more. Sucked the life right out of the both of us.
Just be prepared. You are the first line of defense, not the police. Just try and be smarter than them and make them hit the next darkened house on your block and not yours. Feel sorry for your neighbors loss and just be glad it wasn't you! That's a win!!!
What a world we live in! Hopefully it will get better for our kids. Hopefully. :P
Fastwin,
I agree with much of what you say, but I feel my neighbor's pain, and "them instead of me" leaves me cold.
I'm no more worthy of favor than my neighbor unless they're assholes, liars or thieves.
I say hold the piece-of-shit crooks accountable the first time they stray from decency, and they won't graduate to bigger crimes.
But it appears that's not our "collective" style. We throw money at a problem rather than address the actual issue.
Our community's leaders, no matter where in the country, simply turn a blind eye and a deaf ear to the larger issue.
It seems we are circling the drain these days...
Sorry- I guess I haven't thought about this stuff for a while; it brings back bad memories. Not only was my collection stolen, but my father's collection was stolen as well. When he passed, his collection became a part of mine. I feel like I let him down.
This post has been fueled by 5 ounces of Johnny Walker Red Label.
Eric M.
Damn. Sure didn't want to drudge up bad memories. I inherited several of my father's guns and my grandfather's guns and would be crushed by their loss. I am sorry for your loss and if nothing else it teaches us all a leason that our stuff is not as safe as we think it is. Lots of bad folks out there with nothing better to do but to find a way around our best defense. Game on. I've been hit but luckily my defense paid off. They left with nothing because they couldn't physically take anything. I stumped them cold in their tracks. I upped the ante after that and just made it worse for them. Hope you did too. [thumbsup] Again, sorry to bring up a bad time for you. Use your loss to your advantage! Screw 'em!! [popcorn]
Reminds me to evaluate my insurance.
Don't get me started regarding insurance... A 100% replacement policy is NOT a 100% replacement payment.
I figure my insurance paid far less than half the value even though I had been paying an extra premium.
The big print gives and and the small print takes away. (Please take that to heart)
Think about "pieces" that are no longer manufactured or otherwise available, let alone the "personal, sentimental" value. Many of those firearms cannot possibly be replaced. They were mine, and they were perfect. I worked to buy what I wanted, and they were simply taken. And my father's guns are simply impossible to replace, of course.
...and they beat up my dog...
...dead in a ditch... ...that's what they deserve... But they won't get it. They'll get a 27th chance.
Officially tired,
Eric M.
Personally I wouldn't care about the loss of the guns
They are just things
Beating up my dog however
Unacceptable
Yeah, getting the guns should put them in prison.. but beating up the poor dog? That should get them put elsewhere.
What kind of rat make the beast with two backs bastards hurt a dog? Sorry you didn't catch them in the act Radar. ;D [thumbsup]
Quote from: oldfastwin on February 04, 2011, 09:49:49 AM
What kind of rat make the beast with two backs bastards hurt a dog? Sorry you didn't catch them in the act Radar. ;D [thumbsup]
it probably says more about my skewed personal priorities
but
out of all the make the beast with two backsed up news that has been reported in the last decade and all the awful things we do to one another
nothing has upset me as badly as the story of those mother make the beast with two backsers that killed marcus luttrell's dog
Quote from: Mother on February 04, 2011, 01:15:36 PM
it probably says more about my skewed personal priorities
but
out of all the make the beast with two backsed up news that has been reported in the last decade and all the awful things we do to one another
nothing has upset me as badly as the story of those mother make the beast with two backsers that killed marcus luttrell's dog
I feel the exact same way about Cheye Calvos dogs.....
had he returned fire
I wouldn't fault him
that's a make the beast with two backsed situation
No way to win that one....
Quote from: Mother on February 04, 2011, 01:15:36 PM
it probably says more about my skewed personal priorities
but
out of all the make the beast with two backsed up news that has been reported in the last decade and all the awful things we do to one another
nothing has upset me as badly as the story of those mother make the beast with two backsers that killed marcus luttrell's dog
Just googled luttrell.
Rat make the beast with two backs sons a pregnant doges. I have no place in my heart for those folks that hit a woman or an animal.
Or shoot one.
That is just make the beast with two backsed up.
I think I'd have gunned them all down.
Scumbags is scumbags.
It's a shame they're protected to a greater extent than decent folks minding their own business.
There's still a chance I'll find out who broke in. This is a small town.
Anyone who hurts a dog deserves the worst punishment.
Anyone who hurts MY dog deserves a severe beating as they're on their way to jail.
...nothing better than a good dog...
Eric M.
Luttrell... wow...
Animal endangerment... He'll probably get a good talking to...
We don't do politics.
Yeah, we all agree. Let's cool it. Guns and dogs are great. No question. Let's stick with guns on this thread. In your possession or stolen... but guns. It's a given, dogs are a blessing. Their good people. [thumbsup]
Gun stuff... ;D
Thanks!
OK-
One that didn't get taken is a 50s K-frame S&W 38. For a short time, Dad was in law enforcement. The Smith was his service revolver. It has genuine stag grips. It's not perfect, as it was used, but it sure is pretty.
I'll try to take a pic... you'll like it-
<looks left>
<looks right>
polyticks?
Very shortly I'm going to arm the wife with a P99
any arguments for or against? (the gun, not arming the wife)
P99?
I assume it's the Walther. Ya can't go wrong with a Walther...
.40 is a kicker, though-
Is your wife a shooter?
For home defense? I'd favor the simplest thing you can find, like a stainless steel hammerless .38.
she's a better pistol shot than I am
Doesn't like my .40 though, it kicks a bit too much
I figure the Walther in 9mm will be just fine and she like the grip
Also I believe I read somewhere that the P99 isn't offered in .40
only the SW99 but I don't know who is manufacturing what in that marriage
I remember that the S&W glock knockoff didn't go so well legally so I imagine the S&W/Walther is a bit more organized
Quote from: sugarcrook on February 04, 2011, 08:36:08 PM
For home defense? I'd favor the simplest thing you can find, like a stainless steel hammerless .38.
Home/personal/plinking
have access to a Ti lady smith and neither of us like it
its got some cool factor but I hate shooting it
If you're interested in selling it, send me some details and I'll discuss it with the chica. What don't you like about it?
Oh, I thought the p99 was .40 these days... ...and .40 is a kicker...
9mm is an excellent personal protection round. It's easy to control, and mag capacity is good.
I'll offer this:
Heavy firearms recoil less and are far more "sure" in the hand.
Mag capacity is a powerful thing to have on your side.
My current wife doesn't even want to see or touch a gun. [bang] My ex-wife liked the idea of having one in her night stand for when I was gone. We went through some trials with different small framed autos in .380 and 9mm (she was only 5' 2" at the most and had small hands) to no avail. She could never get the hang of magazine changes, racking the slide, clearing jams, etc. All the stuff I would HAVE to know she could handle at 3:00AM in the dark while in a sleepy/startled state of mind.
So I dropped back and punted. I let her try my Weigand slicked up S&W K frame, round butt, .357mag model 65 with 3" barrel. It was the old FBI carry piece in the good old wheel gun days. Simple, stainless, medium length barrel and fixed sights. Mine was made magical by Weigand. It had a trigger that redefined melted butter, bobbed and polished hammer for double action only, chamfered cylinder, crane lock and standard Hogue grips. Bingo! She loved it!!
Well I loved it too. It was (and still is!... that and my Pythons)) one of my all time favorite wheel guns. She couldn't have mine but with all the law enforcement trade ins (everyone going hi-cap 9mm at the time) it was super easy to find dozens of rebuilt 65s everywhere. I got to choose from the pick of the litter and had the local S&W warranty dealership go through it, bob the hammer, slick it a little and check the timing. Basic stuff. It turned out great!! Put the same Hogues on it and she was a happy camper.
It lived happily ever after in her night stand loaded with Corbon .38spl+P along with a Surfire and 2 HKS speed loaders. Probably still does... I hope. Just lucky she didn't use it on me during our divorce. [laugh] I had dummy snap caps and would test her occasionally and would drag her along to the range for some live fire.
Don't ever think a well armed revolver shooter who knows their gun can't handle a confrontation. You don't always NEED a hi-cap auto, 99.9% of the time a good wheel gun and a well trained shooter are just fine. [thumbsup] Keep it simple. ;D
I have a S&W M13 which is the blued version of the 65. 3" round butt. Its my favorite wheelgun - everything you need and nothing you don't.
Agreed. [thumbsup] I have two model 19s, a 4" and a 2.5". Not as groovy as my 65, both are stock. Square 4", round 2.5". Wonderful medium size wheel guns indeed. ;) Since I was a kid my Dad kept his 2.5" 19 in the glove box of every car/truck he owned and drove. My older brother wanted it when Dad passed. I'm sure one of his boys will get it some day.
I have half a dozen j frames stashed around. Mrs ducatizzy is only comfortable with a wheelgun and keeping the same load and setup will reduce confusion later.
More good thinking. [thumbsup] Why reload? Just pick up another loaded J frame!! ;D Simple works damn near every time.
Quote from: Mother on February 04, 2011, 08:10:12 PM
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Very shortly I'm going to arm the wife with a P99
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Thank you for a wonderful valentine's day gift.
Nice!!! [thumbsup] Go practice. ;)
Just finished a Range week Fri., I had 45 students. 143k of 5.56 and 112k of 9mm. The weather was the suck. [bang]
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 05, 2011, 10:48:13 PM
Just finished a Range week Fri., I had 45 students. 143k of 5.56 and 112k of 9mm. The weather was the suck. [bang]
Got any leftover brass?
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 05, 2011, 10:48:13 PM
Just finished a Range week Fri., I had 45 students. 143k of 5.56 and 112k of 9mm. The weather was the suck. [bang]
Want to meet me up at Bragg in the middle of March?
Quote from: rgramjet on February 06, 2011, 04:42:24 AM
Got any leftover brass?
I keep asking him if he has any left over 9mm ammo, :P
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 05, 2011, 10:48:13 PM
Just finished a Range week Fri., I had 45 students. 143k of 5.56 and 112k of 9mm. The weather was the suck. [bang]
That much shooting makes for one long ass brass detail!! [bang] Clint Smith at Thunder Ranch/TX always made the students run brass detail at the end of every day on every range... I am sure he still does. ;D The pregnant dog was any pistol class. All his open square ranges were covered in crushed granite-type rock with the gravel being about half size dime pieces. Made picking up thousands of spent 9mm and .45acp cases zero fun when your ass is already dragging at the end of the day. He and the range officers would scan behind you like damn CSI investigators looking for any missed brass! [bang] Made me appreciate the shotgun classes even more!! [laugh]
Bring a vacuum cleaner!
Make that a Shop-Vac! ;D
Kopf,
What does happen to all that spent brass? And no, I'm not gonna ask for it! [thumbsup]
Quote from: oldfastwin on February 06, 2011, 11:07:35 AM
What does happen to all that spent brass? And no, I'm not gonna ask for it! [thumbsup]
It is all weighed, then turned in.
our most recent acquisitions, although one is for my brother.
SW M&P15-22
Browning gold 12G
SW 357 7 rd
SW 357 8 rd
SW 357 8 rd
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x218/kahokulani50/2011-02-06_12-03-30_24-1-1.jpg)
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 06, 2011, 09:18:32 PM
It is all weighed, then turned in.
Is it recycled, reloaded or sold?
As far as I know, most of it is auctioned off in large lots. Some buyers get it at a good enough price for recycling and some buy it for resale. The availability of the auctions where the brass isn't demilled (crushed, partially melted, etc) seems to depend on the administration. I know a couple of outfits that buy container size lots of brass - its usually mixed and dirty so it has to be sorted, cleaned, and processed before sale. Military brass typically has a crimped in primer - after the case is deprimed, the material left from the crimp needs to be removed either by swaging or reaming, or it can interfere with seating the new primer. Machinegun brass is usually pretty banged up, stretched and seriously expanded and requires some extra work to get it back to reloading shape.
Guess that's where all that "once used military" brass comes from.
Yeah, yeah... everyone on this thread knows I have a thing for self defense scatterguns. [roll] I rattle on about them all the time. Zzzzzzz. BUT, check out this new Kel-Tec shotgun!!!
http://www.keltecweapons.com/news/preview-kel-tec-shotgun-ksg/ (http://www.keltecweapons.com/news/preview-kel-tec-shotgun-ksg/)
Holy shit! 26.1" oal, 18.5" barrel and TWO 7 rnd mag tubes for 14+1 capacity, spits out empties downward like an Ithaca 37, Picatinny rail w/removable flip up sights all for a MSRP of around $800!!!! Oh yeah! Daddy's getting one of those!!!! ;D [thumbsup] [popcorn] You can even have one tube loaded differently from the other and manually switch which tube to feed from!! Hubba hubba!
Dammit Fastwin........you just got my new gun juices flowing......
If you back up to their home page there is a little video at the lower right of it going boom! ;D After re-reading for the 14th time I now get the impression that it may not come with the sights in the pic. No biggie I have spare flip ups and a Trijicon Reflex II looking for a Pic rail!! [thumbsup] Yeah, I know it's plastic but so are my .32 & .380 Kel Tecs and the littler buggers run like freight trains! I like the twin tube idea. Gives you the option of 00 buck in one and thermal nuclear Daisycutter Bouncing Bettys in the other!! [laugh] [laugh]
Quote from: oldfastwin on February 07, 2011, 03:08:11 PMand thermal nuclear Daisycutter Bouncing Bettys in the other!! [laugh] [laugh]
Or maybe another tube of 00. ;D
Holy crap!
Want!!
Quote from: oldfastwin on February 07, 2011, 03:08:11 PM
If you back up to their home page there is a little video at the lower right of it going boom! ;D After re-reading for the 14th time I now get the impression that it may not come with the sights in the pic. No biggie I have spare flip ups and a Trijicon Reflex II looking for a Pic rail!! [thumbsup] Yeah, I know it's plastic but so are my .32 & .380 Kel Tecs and the littler buggers run like freight trains! I like the twin tube idea. Gives you the option of 00 buck in one and thermal nuclear Daisycutter Bouncing Bettys in the other!! [laugh] [laugh]
the ksg and the rfb both look pretty cool
Yeah, just being funny. Well... at least my sorry ass attempt at it. I'm a straight up low recoil Federal tact 00 buck with a few slugs in the Side Saddle kinda guy. But hey, some people are mixers! [bang] I remember Cyrus going on about a mixed load tube and all my "don't do that" replies. [roll]
don't they make anything out of wood and steel anymore? [roll]
Rocking chairs
Ouch!!! [laugh]
I'm going to trade/sell my 9mm Jennings Jams-a-lot in favor of a nice .357 Mag or some other wheel gun. C and I went shooting at my parent's place and we shot Jams-a-lot and put several rounds through a .22 and .357 both with 6" barrel. I'm WAY better with the revolvers than the 9mm. A quality autoloader might change my mind though. I'd likely go with a 4" barrel for a slightly more compact rig.
We were running .38s in the .357 and C did pretty well considering it was the first time she'd ever fired a gun. She'd be comfortable with the .357 but would probably prefer to keep .38s in it.
I'd like to give a .44 mag a try and see if I can manage to recoil & muzzle blast.
JM
Check out the sr9c
I love mine.
Looks good, I'd have to fire one to see if I liked it or not. I need to hit a range up that rents various stuff, but we don't have any locally, or even semi locally.
JM
I don't have any experience with the Jennings, but they get pretty lousy press.
There are lots of good semi auto pistols. Going to a range and renting is a great idea.
Quote from: ducpainter on February 07, 2011, 05:03:37 PM
I don't have any experience with the Jennings, but they get pretty lousy press.
There are lots of good semi auto pistols. Going to a range and renting is a great idea.
I'm lucky to get two shots before it jams. It's terrible. It's cheap to buy, but if you don't keep a round chambered, you might as well throw it at the assailant.
JM
Hey JM,
Check out my wheel gun post a page or so back. I love 'em all (read: gun nut [laugh]) but if a revolver spins your prop then why the hell not? My story about my ex-wife says it all. After all the trials of finding her the right auto she went ape shit over my S&W model 65 wheel gun. I'd take that sucker and some HKS speed loaders into any gun fight. I love that gun. Would it be my personal first choice of all time? No. Refer to scattergun posts. ;D But I know it well, trust it, am trained and practiced on it so if you tossed it to me when shit hits the fan I could run with it! And I practice all the time with .38spl in my .357 mag guns. I don't mind saving money. [thumbsup] My ex didn't like the hot .357s but was happy and accurate with .38spl+p rounds.
I have a S&W model 29, blue w/ 6" barrel and I'm not sure why I have it. [bang] It was one of "those" buys. :P I would never use it for self defense and I don't hunt with it. I should probably sell it to my brother who goes salmon fishing in Alaska and has to contend with Grizzlies. Maybe he could get Sarah P to ride back up? [thumbsup]
Again, I love my K frame Smiths and Ruger makes some darn nice revolvers too. Heck, so does Taurus! One nice thing about revolvers is they tend to never jam. Never seen a stove pipe jam or failure to feed on a wheel gun! [laugh] [thumbsup]
I only recently found out that the ATF has issued a guideline regarding pistol-gripped shotguns. It was a shock to me, anyone else?
QuoteCertain commercially produced firearms do not fall within the definition of shotgun under the GCA even though they utilize a shotgun shell for ammunition. For example, firearms that come equipped with a pistol grip in place of the buttstock are not shotguns as defined by the GCA.
http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-national/atf-position-on-pistol-grip-shotguns-creates-new-danger (http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-national/atf-position-on-pistol-grip-shotguns-creates-new-danger)
EDIT:
So I read the ATF's bulletin.. They have basically reclassified pistol grip shotguns as handguns for the purpose of sale. This means sgs like this:
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not like this:
(http://home.insightbb.com/~random-bs/500%20n%20xd.jpg)
Quote
Pistol Grips and Shotguns
Firearms with pistol grips attached:
The definition of a shotgun under the GCA, 18 U.S.C.
§ 921(a)(5), is “a weapon designed or redesigned, made or
remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed
or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of
an explosives to fire through a smooth bore either a number
of ball shot or single projectile for each single pull of the trigger.
Under the GCA, 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(29)(A), handgun
means “a firearm which has a short stock and is designed to
be held and fired by the use of a single hand.” Federal law
provides under 18 U.S.C. 922(b)(1), that if the firearm to be
transferred is “other than a rifle or shotgun,” the purchaser
must be 21 years of age or older.
Certain commercially produced firearms do not fall within
the definition of shotgun under the GCA even though
they utilize a shotgun shell for ammunition. For example,
firearms that come equipped with a pistol grip in place of
the buttstock are not shotguns as defined by the GCA.
A firearm with a pistol grip in lieu of the shoulder stock is
not designed to be fired from the shoulder and, therefore,
is not a shotgun. Since it is a firearm “other than a rifle or
shotgun,” the purchaser must be 21 years of age or older.
Additionally, interstate controls apply. The licensee and
transferee must be residents of the same State.
Other questions raised pertain to entries made in the
licensee’s required records with respect to firearm “type.”
These entries should indicate the firearm type as “pistol grip
firearm.”
Quote from: ducpainter on February 07, 2011, 04:08:08 PM
Sounds like you have experience.
i am a keen observer, so sayeth the judge in anne arundel county.
<edit> jebus i need to learn to type faster on this thing
I had read somewhere online a copy of a (ill call it a proposal) to review the nature and intended use of shotguns.
The aim was to decide if certain styles of gun and accessories fell under the nature of sporting or hunting.
The article wanted to focus on things like:
Folding and or collapsible stocks
Pistol grips
Pic mounting rails anywhere other than the top of the gun (ie to mount sights)
The weight of the gun
The width and or thickness of the receiver
Ability to mount grenade launchers
No pistol grip fore end
Limit on mag caoacity. They specifically wrote that drum mags were for leo/mil only.
That's all I can remember. I felt ok about most if it. I do think pic rails are a good thing for mounting light/lasers, collapsible stocks are good for fitting the gun to your body as is the pistol grip.
This was the actual proposal drafted and I can't remember who wrote it, who was supposed to read it or where I found out about it.
I think its a slippery slope grey area and probably nothing will come of it.
That is, unless your link is about something else. It won't open on a phone.
It's a lot of nonsense, but that's all I'll say.
Edit2.0
What tiz posted is the first part of what I read. They did talk about pistol grip vs pg stock.
Taurus makes that "Judge" pistol thing that will shoot .45 Long Colt and .410 shotshells. Wonder what the ATF thinks of that? ??? I just don't see how after all these years they can claim that a shotgun is no longer a shotgun just because it has a pistol grip and not a full stock. It still shoots a shotshell or slug. Does trimming the tail feathers off a duck no longer make it a duck? It still quacks like a duck! Puzzling evidence. And what even initiated this action? They are a goofy group at times. :P
We aren't gonna do gun law kids.
Trust me on that. :)
Nope! [thumbsup]
I can't stop thinking about that Damn kel-tec shotgun. Its all sorts of awesome.
However I think for half the money I can get me an 870 with an 18" barrel and longer mag tube and have a lot left over for shells.
Personally I have no interest in a pistol grip. Seems less mamagable to me. No fhe though. Never fired a sg before.
No need for pistol grips on a shotgun. ;)
Beretta Xtrema2 Demonstration (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6bKbqSdNEc#normal)
I've seen that before.
Pretty bad ass.
Quote from: Monsterlover on February 08, 2011, 08:25:44 PM
I can't stop thinking about that Damn kel-tec shotgun. Its all sorts of awesome.
However I think for half the money I can get me an 870 with an 18" barrel and longer mag tube and have a lot left over for shells.
Personally I have no interest in a pistol grip. Seems less mamagable to me. No fhe though. Never fired a sg before.
10/4 on all of that. Yep, the Kel Tec is cool new stuff. But if you already don't have scatterguns out the wazoo then go 870 and dude it up as you see fit. Lots of great, quality add ons for the 870s if you feel the need. The Kel Tec is just something different and new. An 870 with a mag tube extension and maybe some ghost ring sights is as good as it gets. Hell, a good inexpensive 870 with only the mag extension is king. I have seen dozens of shooters in my classes and other classes I've been in that kicked ass with just a bead sight. Even on the slug range at 50-100 yards! It's the Chevy 350 small block V8 of shotguns. [thumbsup] [bow_down] [bacon] It's a great gun and an American classic. A hundred years from now people will still be praising it!
OK... I'm done. ;D
I've had my 870 to the indoor range once so far. What's the process of installing ghost ring sights? I'm guessing I'll need to take it to somebody.
Wilson Combat. They bought out Scattergun Technologies several years ago. I dealt with ST for years with great results. Other than big price increases nothing has changed with Wilson. Of course nothing at Wilson Combat is cheap. [bang] But it is good stuff and they never messed with Scattergun's proven products. In my shotgun opinion their ghost ring sights are the best around because they offer a great sight picture and are very robust. I have seen several other GR sights come apart during my classes because they were too delicate and weak. Strong, tough and simple always rules and that's the way I see Wilson's sights. I have several old Scattergun Tech 870s and 1187s that have had the living shit kicked out of them and I would take any of them to an end of the world gun fight! [thumbsup] That's the best endorsement I can give.
Google Wilson Combat and give them a call and see what they say. Their shit kicks ass. [bow_down]
Thanks!
How does the GR mount at the rear if the gun? Most that I've seen have no provision to mount a sight.
In my mind that leaves drill and tap or mill a dovetail slot.
Quote from: Monsterlover on February 09, 2011, 04:49:38 AM
How does the GR mount at the rear if the gun? Most that I've seen have no provision to mount a sight.
In my mind that leaves drill and tap or mill a dovetail slot.
you got it. usually drill and tap. rear sight is usually 2-3 pieces with one based piece that attaches to the receiver, then the ring attaches to the base.
That's easy enough. Cool.
Quote from: Monsterlover on February 08, 2011, 08:25:44 PM
I can't stop thinking about that Damn kel-tec shotgun. Its all sorts of awesome.
However I think for half the money I can get me an 870 with an 18" barrel and longer mag tube and have a lot left over for shells.
Personally I have no interest in a pistol grip. Seems less mamagable to me. No fhe though. Never fired a sg before.
Kellgren has made a lot of interesting designs. I can see why people would be jacked about this new s/g but franking it does nothing for me.
His RFB is an interesting concept but perhaps a solution in search of a problem.. the KG9 was another interesting piece, but probably suffered due to it's timing and relative fragility
Quote from: ducatiz on February 09, 2011, 04:57:50 AM
you got it. usually drill and tap. rear sight is usually 2-3 pieces with one based piece that attaches to the receiver, then the ring attaches to the base.
'tiz is 100% right. [thumbsup] I can't remember who offered it (Scattergun, Wilson or someone else), but there was a kit available in the past for do it yourself installation of the ST (now Wilson) ghost rings. There was a patterned jig you would line up on the rear of the receiver that would allow proper placement of the two holes you needed to drill. I believe it also came with the proper tap for threading the holes. The front sight is mounted using a space age adhesive and it mounts on top of the stock bead sight. Or at least that's the way they used to be mounted. One thing is for sure I have never ever had the front or rear sight loosen or fall off.
I just checked Wilson's website and I didn't see any listing for the install kit. Maybe I'm just dreaming in colors again. ;D Maybe it's in Brownell's catalog. I'll look later.
Quote from: oldfastwin on February 09, 2011, 08:29:26 AM
The front sight is mounted using a space age adhesive and it mounts on top of the stock bead sight. Or at least that's the way they used to be mounted. One thing is for sure I have never ever had the front or rear sight loosen or fall off.
i.e. "JB Weld"
look on Midway USA, but I think there is no jig available with it.
JB rocks! That's what I would personally use but I don't know for a fact if that's Wilson's magic juju. Whatever it is it works just fine. We are socked in by ice again here in DFW so I will waste time online later looking for the jig kit... if it still even exists.
I got an email from Midway about a sale on Hornady Critical Defense ammo.
I was reading the "reviews" (really just folks talking about how their gun had no malfunctions or it did) and came across the following. WTF is he talking about "shake your ammo" and why change it out once a month? It's not like it goes bad.
Please educate me.
"Hornady makes the best bullet in the industry (not the same as cartridge). I have heard a lot about primers in this cartridge. I say look at your handgun manual and see how often you should replace your firing pin, firing pin spring and ejector spring(s) [my Kel-Tec has two]. In my Kimber replacement is VERY often (1500-2000 rounds) and this makes a huge difference. Also check the specs on your firing pin and measure it with your digital caliper. I find that 99.9% of FTF is because of worn firing pins or weak springs. This ammo is 100% if your handgun is 100%. Last but not least SHAKE your ammo before you use it and make sure you change out your Self-Def ammo each month. After all it is YOUR life!"
In theory, if you have ammunition in the car or in something where it will be constantly agitated for long periods of time, it may cause the powder to mechanically break down into smaller pieces or generate "dust". One of the major determining factors of a powder's burning rate is the shape, size and surface area of the grain. If the surface area per volume increases, it can cause higher pressures in the cartridge.
All that being said, I have never experienced a problem with this across hundreds of thousands of rounds of ammo I have used, carried, reloaded, fired, etc.
As far as "shaking" your ammunition, The only thing I can think of that is being referred to is the theory of having the powder in a consistant position in the case. The only time tihis is really a factor with most modern powders is when you are running at a very low loading density (not much powder in relation to the case volume) This is almost never a problem with factory loaded ammunition as they use powders manufactured specifically for the case volumes they are loading for.
I think if you have your defense ammo in a gun that is going through a lot of thermal cycling and bumpy conditions for long peroids of time, it may be pruduent to change it out every year or so - the rest of the stuff in the article seems pretty silly to me.
I've never seen any reason to worry about the condition of the powder in a commercially-produced round.
Some com-bloc milsurp can be spotty. I had some Albanian nagant ammo that smelled like a dead cat when you fired it and one round would give a huge plume of flame out the muzzle and the next would be a squib. But that stuff was also 30 years old.
One of the gun mags did a test a long while ago -- they got Wolf 7.62x39 and buried it at the beach in sandy salty water for a month or so. Dug it out, dried it all off and everything fired just fine.
YMMV
I like Warren's line about "being constantly agitated for long periods of time". Sounds like life at my house. [laugh]
I too have never had a problem of that nature with any new, commercially made ammo. I've still got pre Y2K Norinco ammo in different calibers and it all still fires fine. It's not being shaken up like it was strapped to a MX bike but it does live in the original wooden cases in a metal storage building that goes through major temp swings throughout the year.
As far as cycling defense ammo I just take my pistol or shotgun to the range or farm and fire off the ammo for practice, field clean and reload with fresh defense ammo. No set specific time frame, just when I think about it. Again, not a case of shaken ammo syndrome. [thumbsup]
shaken ammo syndrome
[laugh]
When 38 Spl revolvers ruled the NRA Bullseye competitions, powder position was very critical to accuracy. They were typically running 2.7 grains of Bullseye in a 38 Special Case with a 148 grain hollowbase wadcutter. That load uses up about 10% of the volume of the case. In the slowfire strings, shooters would tip the barrel up to vertical to place the powder charge against the flashhole in the case and to make the "shape" of the propellant mass consistent from shot to shot. Some powders are more position sensitive than others. Hogdons Tightgroup was made specifically to be very position insensitive for use in low loading density situations.
I've been heavily involved in the shooting scene for 30 years and the "shaking your shells" procedure is a new one on me. Thank goodness for the Internet or I would have never known what I was missing!
[laugh]
When I was at my local Kawi/Suzook shop getting an inspection sticker I was chatting up a friend in the parts dept. who's a big shooter and fellow gun nut. He's the one who told me about the Kel-Tec shotgun. He has a personal friend who is a local police officer and FFL holder. He'll be getting one of the first Kel-Tec shotguns in a few weeks. Told my buddy to call me when it comes in. You know... just so I can look at it. ;D [popcorn]
Post pics when you get one.
You know, someday I need to learn how to do that. My wife gave me a Nikon Coolpix digital camera (I had to go look at it because I didn't know what it was) a couple of years ago for Christmas and I think I've taken about 25 pics of the snow last year here and at my farm. That's it. I completely forget I even have a camera. I haven't had one in 25+ years. Not a picture taking person.
My wife borrows it because she says it takes better pictures than hers. And junior borrows it on class trips and when he went to Scout Jamboree this last summer. Can't believe it came back in one piece! :o They just pop in their own picture chip thingy and put mine back when they're finished. Maybe this year I will become an advanced new age kinda person and figure out how to post pics on the internet. Don't start holding your breath yet... ;D Dammit, where's my cane?
you're kinda young to be so feeble ya know.
The turkey attack took it's toll on my youth. ;D
Quote from: oldfastwin on February 14, 2011, 05:06:07 PM
The turkey attack took it's toll on my youth. ;D
ancient history... :P
My youth was ancient history? Sometimes it feels that way. [laugh]
Stay on topic Geezers
It's my thread. I can talk about my lost youth... and the shooting I used to do! [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Quote from: oldfastwin on February 14, 2011, 08:51:36 PM
It's my thread. I can talk about my lost youth... and the shooting I used to do! [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
<what I heard>
"get off my lawn wippersnapper"
Its spelt "whippersnapper"
Hmmmph
Quote from: Mother on February 15, 2011, 12:26:14 AM
<what I heard>
"get off my lawn wippersnapper"
That's not quite what I heard.
Quote from: ducpainter on February 15, 2011, 04:38:10 AM
That's not quite what I heard.
(http://www.clivir.com/pictures/hearing_aid/styles2.jpg)
I think I need one of these.
(http://www.tucsonguns.com/pic/2008-11/00-11-23-08-0009.jpg)
Anyone put a suppressor on a 22 pistol.
http://suppressorbuyersguide.com/Articles.php?action=detail&g=content1227603306 (http://suppressorbuyersguide.com/Articles.php?action=detail&g=content1227603306)
No I'm not a hit man.
I do have a few chipmunks I'd like to get rid of without the neighbors calling homeland security.
I have a few friends with "muffled" .22s, they are cool as hell. With sub-sonic ammo all you hear is the clank of the bolt.
My cousin worked on his Dad's vegetable farm that was adjacent to a series of big water filled gravel pits. Looked like a bunch of rectangle lakes in rows but they were abandoned gravel pits. Anyway, there were lots of nutria (giant water rats) that would come up out of the pits and wreak havoc on the vegi crops. They shot and trapped all they could. Problem was the farm was within the city limits of Irving, TX and discharging a firearm was against the law. And air rifles just didn't have the stopping power to roll 'em over dead.
My cousin and I had a mutual friend and that guy and his Dad owned a gun store. The friend was also into Class III goodies including silenced .22s. A five minute discussion over a cold beer and the deal was made. Come to the farm, day or night, and shoot every damn nutria you can! Our friend probably wore out the barrel of his muffled 10/22 Ruger. He and my cousin would even spot light them after dark and no one was the wiser. [thumbsup] Fun stuff and the crops were saved. [clap] [popcorn] [bacon]
I'd love to have one but don't want to go through the hassles again. Have you tried a good air rifle like a Feinwerkbau? I have one of their sporter type rifles and it runs around 1,000 FPS in .177 caliber. Good enough for squirrels and chipmunks. Check 'em out.
http://www.beeman.com/ (http://www.beeman.com/)
tic... tic... tic... tic... tic... tic... tictictictictictictic... [thumbsup]
7.62x25 M16.mpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALkP0dKBGgc#normal)
Quote from: The Architect on February 15, 2011, 11:59:44 AM
I think I need one of these.
(http://www.tucsonguns.com/pic/2008-11/00-11-23-08-0009.jpg)
Anyone put a suppressor on a 22 pistol.
http://suppressorbuyersguide.com/Articles.php?action=detail&g=content1227603306 (http://suppressorbuyersguide.com/Articles.php?action=detail&g=content1227603306)
No I'm not a hit man.
I do have a few chipmunks I'd like to get rid of without the neighbors calling homeland security.
A CO
2 pistol is legal and plenty for chip....
you really want to go through the hassle of the permit?
You can't even
legally discharge a firearm at your house I don't think.
Quote from: ducpainter on February 15, 2011, 01:33:40 PM
You can't even legally discharge a firearm at your house I don't think.
I'll need to verify that again. :P
I did get an air gun, crossman 2100. 750 fps. But who wants to pump the thing or deal with co2 cartridges.
Spring Piston and PCA guns will give you plenty of velocity with no pumping* or CO2. The spring piston guns are simple and the new models will exceed 1000 fps with the right pellets. The larger caliber airguns may not have the super high velocity but the heavier pellets make up for some of that.
PCA guns use compressed air from SCUBA tanks at 2000 - 3000 psi. The Feinwerkbau and Walther target guns I used would shoot several hundred shots from one fill. (this is at 10 Meter target velocities - about 575 fps) The higher velocity guns get 30 - 50 shots per fill typically.
The nice thing about the PCA guns is that they have nearly no recoil and can mount conventional scopes without destroying them as on spring piston guns. Spring Piston guns will rapidly destroy any riflescope that is not made to handle the vibrations of the spring piston firing. The upside of the spring piston guns is they do not require scuba tanks or hand pumps to charge the cylinders.
Do a search for Barnes Airguns to see some of the wildest, most artistic large caliber airguns made.
Quote from: The Architect on February 15, 2011, 01:45:28 PM
I'll need to verify that again. :P
I did get an air gun, crossman 2100. 750 fps. But who wants to pump the thing or deal with co2 cartridges.
You should probably move out of the woods if you don't like chip. :P
Come on...
it will be fun hunting them. You can wear your Davey Crockett hat. [laugh]
Quote from: Mother on February 15, 2011, 10:42:27 AM
(http://www.clivir.com/pictures/hearing_aid/styles2.jpg)
I heard clearly...pretty sure he told you, in a nice way, something I'd yell at him for if he was blunt.
You need to read more between the lines. ;)
Quote from: ducpainter on February 15, 2011, 02:42:06 PM
I heard clearly...pretty sure he told you, in a nice way, something I'd yell at him for if he was blunt.
You need to read more between the lines. ;)
make the beast with two backs
I forgot these
;D ;D ;D
yeesh, old people
dammit I forgot them again
;D
Quote from: Mother on February 15, 2011, 04:46:13 PM
make the beast with two backs
I forgot these
;D ;D ;D
yeesh, old people
dammit I forgot them again
;D
ya...
right.
I know it was a test to see if I was still...
lucid.
Quote from: ducpainter on February 15, 2011, 01:33:40 PM
A CO2 pistol is legal and plenty for chip....
you really want to go through the hassle of the permit?
You can't even legally discharge a firearm at your house I don't think.
double check. some places allow firearm use if it's for pest control and under certain caliber. around here, you may shoot even the deer if it is for pest control.
Quote from: ducatiz on February 15, 2011, 06:32:53 PM
double check. some places allow firearm use if it's for pest control and under certain caliber. around here, you may shoot even the deer if it is for pest control.
It's more the distance between dwellings...
and firearm discharge.
Truth is is that shooting on my property isn't technically legal...
my neighbors aren't concerned.
If Frank is concerned about Homeland security he probably has an inkling that one of his neighbors likes chipmunks...
more that him. ;D
Quote from: ducpainter on February 15, 2011, 01:33:40 PM
You can't even legally discharge a firearm at your house I don't think.
The squirrel was breaking into the house and posed a lethal threat.
It was self defense.
Quote from: Bick on February 15, 2011, 06:47:04 PM
The squirrel was breaking into the house and posed a lethal threat.
It was self defense.
It was a chipmunk...
you'd make a lousy witness. ;D
OK. The RODENT.
I normally don't click on this thread since I'm not a firearm enthusiast, not that there is anything wrong with them.
It was worth it, starting with
Quote from: Bick on February 15, 2011, 06:47:04 PM
The squirrel was breaking into the house and posed a lethal threat.
It was self defense.
[coffee]
[laugh]
http://www.glbarnes.com/index10.html (http://www.glbarnes.com/index10.html)
Link to Barnes Air guns - the site is spread out and disorganized but the work this guy does is unbeliveable.
First thought: Who in their right mind would put that kind of work into an air gun?!?
Second thought: That's awesome [thumbsup]
Anything that can put 500 grain bullets inside of 2" at 100 yards is worth looking at. Plus the fact they are utter works of art. I am always blown away by that guys work.
500 grain?!?!
I thought air guns shot those tiny pellets?
Quote from: Monsterlover on February 16, 2011, 09:31:54 AM
500 grain?!?!
I thought air guns shot those tiny pellets?
Generally, but it's hardly a requirement.
From teh wikipediaz:
"In the 17th century, air guns, in calibers .30â€".51, were used to hunt big game deer and wild boar. These air rifles were charged using a pump to fill an air reservoir and gave velocities from 650â€"1,000 feet per second. They were also used in warfare; the most famous example is the Girandoni Air Rifle."
Also, those Barnes air guns are badass. [thumbsup]
Quote from: WarrenJ on February 16, 2011, 09:25:47 AM
I am always blown away by that guys work.
is that from being down barrel of one?
I used to snipe the shit out of pigeons in my backyard with my pellet rifle at my old house when they discovered the bird feeders and bird bath. They would tell all their friends and run off all the songbirds... Cardinals, etc. Then the nasty Starlings would follow in. They got so sharp/paranoid that every time I would go outside with my pellet rifle concealed at my side they would all fly off. I took to cracking open the back door, staying inside hiding behind the door so they wouldn't see me and would shoot through the crack in the door on the hinged side. All they would see was a barrel sticking out. I had a scope so I could off the ones on the backyard power lines too. It was a daily challenge but someone had to do it! [laugh]
sounds like fun..
It was. ;D Problem was when I would wound one it would always fly into my neighbors yard over their 8' fence. I couldn't get to them to finish them off! I always wondered what my neighbor thought about all these mortally wounded flying rats in his backyard. He probably thought it was a sign of the apocalypse!! [laugh] Felt bad about the bad shots but always cracked up at what the hell my neighbor was thinking was going on. And no, I am not a sadistic SOB. Just saying... :)
i think some one mentioned it before.. the show sons of guns.. just watched it.. kinda like it so far. modified tomy gun 780 rpm
My step son got me to TIVO Top Shot. Just watched the second show this season last night. I think it shows on Sunday evenings. A little made for TV/reality show BS but still they actually have to shoot and hit. Some of it bores me but I can fast forward through it and get to the shooting.
I applied for season 2 but didn't get selected. Just as well - I have a face for radio.
Wasn't quite sure if this should go here or racing/trackdays.
Here's our favorite gun toting MotoGP racer having fun in Argentina. My brother and two of my friends have all gone down there and completely worn their shoulders out shooting dove. My brother said the last day was just a half day morning hunt and no one really wanted to shoot anymore but no one wanted to look like a weenie and back out. Later they all admitted to the same thing and only shot because everyone else was going to shoot! Looks like some kind of fun!
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2011/Feb/110218ce2argentina.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2011/Feb/110218ce2argentina.htm)
My brother and both friends said after a while you only start working on your worst shots. Whether the bird is coming at you, going away, etc. You constantly get so many shots of all kinds you just pick and choose which ones you want to work on. And they all said they lost count of the accidental doubles and triples. The flocks coming at you were so dense you shoot at one bird and one or two extras also go down!
My brother said it was really cool to watch all the raptors swoop down on the wounded birds on the ground. They could have cared less about the shooting and all the movement going on. They were just trained to take advantage of the free buffet table!!
Just got back from the range.
Should have taken more ammo. Wasn't there long.
Re-stock and drive back!! [thumbsup] ;D ... or get a trailer!! [laugh]
I just processed all the cases from today. And the last time i was out.
Im out of lead and can't load anymore.
Feels wrong to have unfinished rounds.
Quote from: Monsterlover on February 19, 2011, 03:55:05 PM
I just processed all the cases from today. And the last time i was out.
Im out of lead and can't load anymore.
Feels wrong to have unfinished rounds.
What are you using for bullets Kev?
Just hard cast lead from whoever has a decent price and stock.
I've ordered from dardas and seminole brass and bullet and found their quality to be ok. Wife bought me 1000 115gr lrn 9mm for xmas and those were good too but i don't know where she got them. 1 bullet out of the 1000 was missing its grease.
Quote from: Monsterlover on February 19, 2011, 04:25:53 PM
Just hard cast lead from whoever has a decent price and stock.
I've ordered from dardas and seminole brass and bullet and found their quality to be ok. Wife bought me 1000 115gr lrn 9mm for xmas and those were good too but i don't know where she got them. 1 bullet out of the 1000 was missing its grease.
Were you shooting 9mm or .45?
http://czcustom.com/Zero-Bullets.aspx (http://czcustom.com/Zero-Bullets.aspx)
Prices include shipping and from what I've read it's good stuff.
The guy that runs the outfit is one of the top guys in the world and it's what he uses and they have stock on most items.
I haven't shot .45 in a while.
Those are pretty good prices for jacketed bullets (which i can't shoot at my clubs indoor range)
As i recall the last time i got lead .45 round nose it was about $50 for 500 usps to me.
Link saved.
Quote from: Monsterlover on February 19, 2011, 05:45:54 PM
I haven't shot .45 in a while.
Those are pretty good prices for jacketed bullets (which i can't shoot at my clubs indoor range)
As i recall the last time i got lead .45 round nose it was about $50 for 500 usps to me.
Link saved.
check this place out then. ;)
http://www.berrysmfg.com/ (http://www.berrysmfg.com/)
That's good stuff too [thumbsup]
when things settle down here... [laugh]
I need to get set up to reload.
Talk to me when you're ready. I have lots of insight for you.
As far as cast bullets go, if you sniff around at local gunshows, etc you can usually find someone who casts decent bullets locally. Typically they are cheaper than the majors and you can save on shipping. When it comes to lead, shipping is significant. Once I shipped 500 special 480 grain swaged paper patched bullets I made to a customer in Switzerland - the shipping was about as much as the bullets at the time.
If you can put together some group buys, I have a Class 6 Ammunition Mfgrs License and can typically find some good prices on large lots.
Noted, thanks.
ML, your indoor range won't let you shoot jacketed bullets? Really? I have had a some what similar issue at an outdoor range where I took a tact urban rifle class and the instructor (cop friend who runs TIGER Valley) got a killer deal on Wolf .223 HP ammo for the students since that range wouldn't let you shoot ball. Too bad I couldn't run a full 30 rnd mag in any of the four ARs I took!! [bang] Burned me on Wolf forever. :P Why won't they let you shoot jacketed ammo? I'm guessing some sort of ricochet concern and liability. That was the anti FMJ issue at the outdoor range I mentioned.
They want lead only and 850fps or less.
They're worried about the back stop. Its just a steel plate at a 45* angle.
Im pretty sure my 9mm loads are near 1000fps. I checked the back stop as i worked up the load and there wasn't any damage.
That being said i have looked at the plate and found copper jacketing down in the dust pile.
Somebody is cheating. ;D
The instructor at that rifle class kept a watchful eye on me and my mags making sure I didn't sneak some FMJ in the mix. If I ever did manage to complete the runs without an immediate action drill he'd joke that I must have run than one on ball!! It would get a good laugh out of the class but I knew he wasn't kidding about it. Funny, I was the only shooter that had trouble with the Wolf JHP. A few others had burps and hiccups but nothing like the trouble I had. [bang] I swapped lowers and uppers around, used different mags (some new, some old) but never found the magic solution. Got real good at tap, rack, bang and mag changes though. [thumbsup]
With hand guns: both eyes open or just the dominant eye on the sights?
both eyes unless you have vision issue
Quote from: ducatiz on February 20, 2011, 11:44:46 AM
both eyes unless you have vision issue
+1
It's always good to check to see which eye is dominant too.
My third eye is dominant
I've been keeping both open. Right eye and handed.
I find it hard sometimes to focus on bithe sights and target all at once. Usually i fcus on the target and the front sight is sort of IZ_ while the rear is a lot IZ_.
Normal?
Quote from: Monsterlover on February 20, 2011, 12:39:36 PM
I've been keeping both open. Right eye and handed.
I find it hard sometimes to focus on bithe sights and target all at once. Usually i fcus on the target and the front sight is sort of IZ_ while the rear is a lot IZ_.
Normal?
Focus on the front sight.
edit...yes it's normal not to be able to focus on all three.
Front sight.... :P
Quote from: ducpainter on February 20, 2011, 12:42:48 PM
Focus on the front sight.
Yup, that's exactly how gunny taught us as mids to shoot pistols. Worked for him in the shit, works for me having fun.
Good advice. [thumbsup] Line up your sights, shift your focus to the target, set your aim then shift your focus back to the front sight and keep your focus there. Had many course instructors that would constantly repeat "front sight, front sight" for 2-3 straight days like a mantra. Kinda gave you the impression it was important. ;D
this is nice ...
IPSC (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8a_n3phvb4#normal)
I'm checking around, going to get my CCW. I had it years ago, but let it expire.
My dilemma: Show up with my .357 mag and .38 shells (so I can target practice for cheap) and hope the instructor will let me use it like that or grab the small, less accurate .38 with a much shorter barrel?
I wouldn't be concerned, but all the local people are noting "Bullet caliber and gun must exactly match" and "We don't allow students to certify with a .22 caliber pistol because we feel that is inadequate for home defense"
JM
Quote from: the_Journeyman on February 24, 2011, 04:35:35 PM
I'm checking around, going to get my CCW. I had it years ago, but let it expire.
My dilemma: Show up with my .357 mag and .38 shells (so I can target practice for cheap) and hope the instructor will let me use it like that or grab the small, less accurate .38 with a much shorter barrel?
I wouldn't be concerned, but all the local people are noting "Bullet caliber and gun must exactly match" and "We don't allow students to certify with a .22 caliber pistol because we feel that is inadequate for home defense"
JM
i use my .40S&W SigSauer P229 for both carry and personal defense ... the Tanfoglio Force 99R in same caliber for competition ...
Quote from: the_Journeyman on February 24, 2011, 04:35:35 PM
I'm checking around, going to get my CCW. I had it years ago, but let it expire.
My dilemma: Show up with my .357 mag and .38 shells (so I can target practice for cheap) and hope the instructor will let me use it like that or grab the small, less accurate .38 with a much shorter barrel?
I wouldn't be concerned, but all the local people are noting "Bullet caliber and gun must exactly match" and "We don't allow students to certify with a .22 caliber pistol because we feel that is inadequate for home defense"
JM
Put a .22 between their eyes.
That will quiet them. :P
I hope you realize I'm kidding...however shot placement is supreme IMO.
Quote from: ducpainter on February 24, 2011, 04:41:47 PM
Put a .22 between their eyes.
That will quiet them. :P
I hope you realize I'm kidding...however shot placement is supreme IMO.
That's just it. With that antique .22 revolver, I can hit a really nasty patter and 10 yards, much less the 5 and 7.5 NC uses. Same with the .357 loaded with .38s. Both are 6" barrel and older than I am by far, maybe even older than Lethe...
JM
Quote from: Darkmonster620 on February 24, 2011, 04:30:33 PM
this is nice ...
IPSC (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8a_n3phvb4#normal)
I'm an old IPSC guy. And not a very good one. It just got way too racy for me as far as equipment goes. That's probably why IDPA came to life and became so popular. Same sort of shooting (sort of) but IDPA just put the "practical" back in tactical shooting. 20-30 round stages are just goofy. And race guns are just that... race guns. They are nothing the average person would ever use for self defense at home or on their person. Given that, it's still off the damn chart to watch a world class tact shooter run a stage. Blows me away every time I see it. [thumbsup] [clap] [bacon]
In Texas if you qualify with a revolver that is all you are allowed to carry. If you qualify with any semi auto then you can carry anything... wheel gun or auto. Honestly I can't remember if there is a minimum caliber standard. I'm sure there is but that has never been a concern for me and I have never seen anyone show up with a .22 for a certification class.
Quote from: oldfastwin on February 24, 2011, 07:45:05 PM
I'm an old IPSC guy. And not a very good one. It just got way too racy for me as far as equipment goes. That's probably why IDPA came to life and became so popular. Same sort of shooting (sort of) but IDPA just put the "practical" back in tactical shooting. 20-30 round stages are just goofy. And race guns are just that... race guns. They are nothing the average person would ever use for self defense at home or on their person. Given that, it's still off the damn chart to watch a world class tact shooter run a stage. Blows me away every time I see it. [thumbsup] [clap] [bacon]
i was national champ, production class c in 2008 here in Panama and this running around really takes my stress out the system ... that's one of the reasons i started shooting about 4 years ago ...
Evening. I decided to re-acquire my CCW permit today. Class is in three weeks. I either need to buy a quality autoloader or practice with the old (probably older than I am) .357 Mag (loaded with .38s) that I recently was shooting nice patterns at 10 yards with. Since I'm taking it with a bunch of LEOs, I need to at least look decent.
JM
JM, Are your CCW rules in NC any different than here in TX? Like my previous post stated, qualy with wheel gun that's all you can legally carry. Auto qualy covers everything. Just wondering. ;D
Not stipulation on wheel v. semi-auto in NC. You get the permit, you carry what you wish regardless of what was used to certify ~
JM
Same in pa.
The bigger focus of the classes in NC are the legal issues that come with shooting someone. The performance thing is simple. 3.5, 5, and 7.5 yards in the paper and you're good to go.
JM
Shooting qualy sounds the same as TX. 50 rounds spread over those same distances in a set period of time. And yes, lots of class time on the criminal laws regarding shooting someone is self defense. As a former instructor (not CCW) I think Texas has a good program and the CCW instructors I have dealt with have been OK by me. [thumbsup]
Too bad a lot of the students in the renewal classes are complete yahoos who shouldn't even own a gun!! [bang] Scary stuff for sure! :P
Quote from: oldfastwin on February 25, 2011, 08:33:28 PM
Too bad a lot of the students in the renewal classes are complete yahoos who shouldn't even own a gun!! [bang] Scary stuff for sure! :P
Okay okay. We'll get off your lawn.
Here in Panama, the permit you get is a CCW, whichever gun is registered in teh permit you can carry ... New law wants to issue a "carry permit and an ownership permit" ... either way, I only carry my P229 since the Tanfoglio is full size pistol.
Quote from: Darkmonster620 on February 26, 2011, 06:01:04 AM
Here in Panama, the permit you get is a CCW, whichever gun is registered in teh permit you can carry ... New law wants to issue a "carry permit and an ownership permit" ... either way, I only carry my P229 since the Tanfoglio is full size pistol.
What Tanfoglio do you have?
Quote from: Darkmonster620 on February 24, 2011, 04:39:55 PM
i use my .40S&W SigSauer P229 for both carry and personal defense ... the Tanfoglio Force 99R in same caliber for competition ...
...
Quote from: ducpainter on February 26, 2011, 06:26:24 AM
What Tanfoglio do you have?
...
So still a CZ clone.
Tanfoglio has added some nice features to the design. I was looking at them when I got my CZ.
Too bad the importer here has a bad rep.
Well, mine's polimer frame, steel slide ... light and manuverable, I actually wanted a CZ 75 or a CP-01 but, due to US telling weapon manufacturers whom to not to sell to ... unless DOS and DOD says it's ok to sell some guns to latinamerican countries as well as ammo ... we might get lucky and get some ... had to sell my SA XD40 due to cash issues when I was in between jobs 2 years ago ... miss it ...
Quote from: Darkmonster620 on February 26, 2011, 06:47:39 AM
Well, mine's polimer frame, steel slide ... light and manuverable, I actually wanted a CZ 75 or a CP-01 but, due to US telling weapon manufacturers whom to not to sell to ... unless DOS and DOD says it's ok to sell some guns to latinamerican countries as well as ammo ... we might get lucky and get some ... had to sell my SA XD40 due to cash issues when I was in between jobs 2 years ago ... miss it ...
pm sent
Quote from: Darkmonster620 on February 26, 2011, 09:30:37 AM
the trigger finger ???
funny how that finger works for both. :P
Quote from: ducpainter on February 26, 2011, 10:24:26 AM
funny how that finger works for both. :P
now, that's another subject for another thread ...
Quote from: Darkmonster620 on February 26, 2011, 10:33:46 AM
now, that's another subject for another thread ...
get your mind out of the gutter...
I meant pointing and shooting. ;D
Quote from: ducpainter on February 26, 2011, 10:36:55 AM
get your mind out of the gutter...
I meant pointing and shooting. ;D
ok ... was just saying ...
M134 [drool]
This event looks like fun
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=OQnU1t7UzgM# (http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=OQnU1t7UzgM#)
Like this one...
mail call at knob creek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIZpCLvXsoM#normal)
Awesome :D
Used to be a machine gun shoot right outside the city limits of Hot Springs, Arkansas back in the 90s that me and my first wife would ride our scooter to. Didn't take any class III stuff cause all my class III dealer buddies were always there and we could shoot their guns. [thumbsup] Used to have some great pics of the ex shooting a M60. She was a wee bit of a thing but she toughed it out for several nice long bursts. Yes, she pregnant doged about her shoulder the next day. We all had a ton of fun. Right at dusk everyone who had them ran tracers. Cool stuff. Lots of dead boats, cars, household appliances, etc to shoot at. Good times for sure and the ride through twisty AR roads wasn't shabby either! ;D
Ar roads are fun, we took the long way back from Austin driving the neon back to ny.. fun roads.. I wanna shoot that terminator fun..
You know, I have to say, that last video with 20 minutes of full auto firing really does not help me not want to buy more guns.
I don't know how but in the past year I went from not caring about them much to loving them!
I read about them.
I watch videos about them.
I shoot the ones I have
I love reloading
I want more!!!
AR
870
wheel gun
semi auto sg
another 1911 to trick out and not molest the original one I have now
and the list goes on.
after watching those 2 videos I can't help but wonder how hard it is to get the slip that lets you have full auto stuff and cans.
It just seems like such a good idea :D
Even the wife is getting into it. We were looking at Ruger LCR's the other day in .380. Way cool. I didn't think I'd like it much, but we both decided we did. A little small for my paw but I could shoot it. Perfect for her.
The LCR is a sweet little mouse gun! I've had Seecamps and I have a .32 & .380 Kel-Tec but I still liked the Ruger enough to get one too. Did I need it? Hell no. No more than I need all my scooters. It's not supposed to make sense. Never has never will. [thumbsup]
Getting signed off for class III stuff is the big hurdle. Some places are much easier than others. I had connections with the local sheriff's office and I worked for State District felony criminal court judges that also were personal friends of mine since childhood. A civil or family law district judge would not be able to sign off... just a criminal court judge. Or your Sheriff or someone with the authority to do so in the Sheriff's office, District Attorney or the Chief of Police in your city/county. Passing the ATF and FBI screens are the easy part. If you had a criminal/troubled past you wouldn't even try to get past their screenings. [bang] And the $200 tax stamp hasn't changed since the 1934 NFA law was passed. Most Sheriffs and Police Chiefs are hesitant these days to have their signature on any paperwork that would allow someone in their jurisdiction to own a machine gun or silencer. You can forget DAs! Get it signed by the right person and the rest is easy. Just costs $200 and takes a few months.
There is also the corporation route. It takes the personal part out of it. If you owned a corporation the gun or silencer could be transferred into the corporation's name and it would be owned by the corporation and not by an individual. If you were an official officer of the corporation (CEO, Vice President, etc) you would have the right to use the registered gun or silencer. I had friends that were lawyers at the courthouse that did this and were big fans of this method. I am no expert on all the legal details but I am sure a look at the ATF's website would tell you all you need to know. Going the corp. route avoids having to get someone to sign off on your application. Check it out. [thumbsup]
;D
Quote from: BoDiddley on March 06, 2011, 02:06:27 PM
I have a bunch (cases and different qtys.) of Black Hills .223 I need to get rid of, less than dealer cost. Red and Blue box. PM for info.......
Is this permitted? I will find out in a minute I bet.........
First of all...
This should go in the classifieds....
I have some concern about board liability if you break the law about where it's shipped and how
Quote from: ducpainter on March 06, 2011, 02:09:33 PM
First of all...
This should go in the classifieds....
I have some concern about board liability if you break the law about where it's shipped and how
Board isn't liable unless the items themselves are illegal, which ammo is not regardless of where you live. There might be licensing reqs for places like LA or NYC, but that doesn't affect the board since the items themselves are still not contraband.
If the items were themselves contraband (such as pharms or illegal drugs), which are not legal to possess NOR to sell, then the board could be liable for something if the posting wasn't removed.
But ammo isn't contraband by itself. It's no different from a seller on Gunbroker.com selling ammo. Seller has to make sure he's obeying the law and if not, gunbroker.com doesn't acquire liability.
Quote from: ducatiz on March 06, 2011, 02:22:25 PM
Board isn't liable unless the items themselves are illegal, which ammo is not regardless of where you live. There might be licensing reqs for places like LA or NYC, but that doesn't affect the board since the items themselves are still not contraband.
If the items were themselves contraband (such as pharms or illegal drugs), which are not legal to possess NOR to sell, then the board could be liable for something if the posting wasn't removed.
But ammo isn't contraband by itself. It's no different from a seller on Gunbroker.com selling ammo. Seller has to make sure he's obeying the law and if not, gunbroker.com doesn't acquire liability.
I'm pretty sure some states require ammo be shipped to an FFL, but your explanation makes sense.
Post up your for sale in the Miscellaneous forum of the classifieds Bo...
No state requires it but several cities do. Ill requires the recipient to have an FOID, but that's the only STATE I know of with an unusual requirement.
Cities: NYC, LA, certain counties in northern CA, Chicago all require ammo to be shipped to an FFL.
My question is why sell it? Just go shoot it!! [laugh] [thumbsup]
That's kinda what I was thinking
Ammo needs to be shipped by UPS or Fedex or similar - not legal through USPS
Quote from: fastwin on March 06, 2011, 04:46:49 PM
My question is why sell it? Just go shoot it!! [laugh] [thumbsup]
I have plenty for the rest of my life, and my barrel twists do not like the heavy stuff. Sorry about the trouble I pulled it, And moved to the classifieds.
Quote from: BoDiddley on March 06, 2011, 08:06:25 PM
I have plenty for the rest of my life, and my barrel twists do not like the heavy stuff. Sorry about the trouble I pulled.
No trouble at all.
If you ever get any extra in 40/45 grain let me know. ;D
Quote from: ducpainter on March 06, 2011, 08:07:55 PM
No trouble at all.
If you ever get any extra in 40/45 grain let me know. ;D
One case of 52gr is the lightest, blue box........Are you talking bout the Flea/Market miscellaneous. Slim chances over thier I think?
No big deal, not really trying to sell that hard. I have many cases left over from being a dealer, and stockpiling for the war!!! [bang]
Do you have 1 in 7 or 1 in 9 twists? I'm familiar with Black Hills just not the red box, blue box difference. I'm kind of a Federal Lake City kind of guy. Care to explain? Thanks! [thumbsup]
Red is new...
blue is used brass.
The Black Hills stuff is reputed to be good stuff.
Quote from: BoDiddley on March 06, 2011, 08:10:06 PM
One case of 52gr is the lightest, blue box........Are you talking bout the Flea/Market miscellaneous. Slim chances over thier I think?
No big deal, not really trying to sell that hard. I have many cases left over from being a dealer, and stockpiling for the war!!! [bang]
Yeah...but that's where stuff is sold here.
Just keep it to pm's without a bunch of 'pitching' here.
Sound OK?
My brother is looking to buy a progressive loader for hand gun calibers. What is your favorites for ease of loading? My old Hornady has to be ancient by now.
Id recommend any brand that has a good following and die/part availability.
Rcbs, Dillon, hornady all will make usable ammo
Quote from: fastwin on March 06, 2011, 08:24:50 PM
Do you have 1 in 7 or 1 in 9 twists? I'm familiar with Black Hills just not the red box, blue box difference. I'm kind of a Federal Lake City kind of guy. Care to explain? Thanks! [thumbsup]
I used to have 1/7 for 68gr .223 that I used for long distance plate shooting, that is why I am trying to sell the heavy stuff as I got rid of those guns. (no pitching just a fact DP). I have tried the heavy stuff in my military guns and got perfect keyholes everytime. I think all new military is 1 in 7 now, (used to be 1 in 9) as they work better with the standard 62gr. ss109. But I can shoot the 109 in all my guns no matter what the twist. Must be a happy medium with that weight.
I could never tell any difference between the red and blue.......
Spent a little time this morning looking at 9mm carbines that aren't hi-point.
Anyone know anything about the Beretta CX4 storm?
Seems better made than the hi-point rifle and uses the mags from the 92.
Isn't anything better that a Hi-Point?
Probably. There are a lot of them out there with happy owners though.
You know better than to buy just a price...
it has to have value...
a deal as it were. ;D
The quality is what has me looking at the Beretta
As far as progressive reloaders go, I'd probably stick with Dillon. Their equipment is probably the best thought out and their customer service is pretty good. I have a 650 and a Square Deal B. The 650 is a great press, but it is complex and requires some finesse. You cannot expect to bolt it down and start loading 1000 rnds per hour with it. Once you understand it though, its a pretty fine machine. Mine has loaded and processed hundreds of thousands of rounds of ammo. Currently I'm using it to trim 4000 LC 308 brass using the power case trimmer - just finished loading 3000 rnds of 45 ACP on it.
The 650 is probably the most versatile of the high speed progressive machines. It can load everything from 32 ACP to 300 Win etc. Changeovers are time consuming and require a pretty good attention to detail especially if switching between large and small primer sizes. You need to have a good volume of reloading to do of a specific load to make the setup worth while - if you just need to load 100 of something or another it probably isn't the best press but if you need to crank out several thousand of something, it works pretty good. When I was shooting Second Chance and IPSC back in the day, I left it set up for 45 ACP as my wife and I were burning 1000+ per month - that press has went through mountains of Unique and HG68's. Counting shotgun presses, there are 9 set up in the reloading room right now.
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How's the change over on the sdb?
I saw some vids on youtube of a 650 with auto case feeder and fell in love. I load everything now on a single stage.
I have never changed the SDB. I picked it up used set up in 9mm and I just have it dedicated for that. It works pretty well for what it is but it is not nearly the press that the 650 is.
Im really starting to get into 9mm. If i add a progressive press id mainly be looking for volume to make it easier to shoot more.
I've shot the Beretta Storm Carbine in 45 ACP and was quite impressed. It's handy, and suprisingly accurate for a pistol caliber carbine. The only downside of the 45's is the 8 round mags. The 9mm using the high cap Beretta mags would be a nice rig. 50X the gun the Highpoint is IMHO.
If you could find a used 1050 Dillon.... That is an awesome pistol caliber, high volume reloader. Another one that can pop up once in a while on the used market is a Star progressive reloader. They have been out of production for some time, but are incredibly well made and designed. I used to have a C&H Autochamp but it was a real challenge.
It's nice having a dedicated progressive machine set up for a caliber you like to shoot a lot. You just sit down and roll out an ammo can full in a short amount of time and head to the range!
I had the hipoint for years and it was great. The price is unbeatable.. ATI makes a nicer stock for it and extended 9mm mags are cheap.
The Beretta is a gr8 gun too and quality is much better but don't knock the hiPoint. Gun Tests gave it a best buy and passed on the Beretta.
Found these:
http://www.gun-tests.com/issues/18_5/features/5332-1.html (http://www.gun-tests.com/issues/18_5/features/5332-1.html)
Hi-Point 995 Carbine 9mm and ATI Stock Review (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghhZTMbH8Pk#normal)
You can get an AR in 9mm too.
Huh. Interesting. The Beretta is about a $700 gun.
Highpoint in the $250 range with that stock.
I don't know much about AR's. What's a ballpark to build one in 9mm that's decent quality?
Quote from: Monsterlover on March 09, 2011, 04:25:47 AM
Huh. Interesting. The Beretta is about a $700 gun.
Highpoint in the $250 range with that stock.
I don't know much about AR's. What's a ballpark to build one in 9mm that's decent quality?
You can find the 9mm ARs on the high end of the price range for ARs. I think the cheapest setup I've seen runs about $800. They're more expensive because you need either a mag well adapter or a custom lower for the shorter mags, a 9mm barrel, and a 9mm bolt. Other than those parts, they are almost 100% identical to other ARs.
You can find the lowers for 100-150 retail.
Definitely higher priced than the HiPoint, but you get a real platform. Not that the HiPoint is a waste. I liked mine just fine, and it never had a single problem. Disassembly was easy. I just didn't need a pc carbine.
Quote from: WarrenJ on March 08, 2011, 08:39:23 PM
If you could find a used 1050 Dillon.... That is an awesome pistol caliber, high volume reloader. Another one that can pop up once in a while on the used market is a Star progressive reloader. They have been out of production for some time, but are incredibly well made and designed. I used to have a C&H Autochamp but it was a real challenge.
It's nice having a dedicated progressive machine set up for a caliber you like to shoot a lot. You just sit down and roll out an ammo can full in a short amount of time and head to the range!
Thanks : I am going to see if I can find a used dillon on Ebay, The 650 sounds like my Ponsness Warren hydraulic, it took some doing but once I got it dialed in with all the bugs out of it is a great loader. Sometimes I think it is a game trying to get them to work as the factory should deliver them. My wife and I used to shoot 30 thousand trap birds (clay) a year and could not have afforded it without the PW. Anybody shoot trap or sporting clays?
I don't but it looks like fun. I may give it a try if i find a semi auto sg in my posession ever.
Quote from: Monsterlover on March 09, 2011, 02:11:17 PM
I don't but it looks like fun. I may give it a try if i find a semi auto sg in my posession ever.
Sporting clays is a blast, worth getting into for the fun of it..........
Better to buy and inexpensive O/U would cover everything you need for both sports....
I sort of burned out on trap, but I like skeet and sporting clays. I take pistol and rifle real serious and shoot sporting and skeet for recreation. My wife and I like to shoot sporting at several of the clubs around the state. I started working at a trap club when I was about 15 - spent a lot of time sitting in a trap house setting birds on the arm and trying to keep my fingers.
O/U would only be two shots though, right?
Quote from: BoDiddley on March 09, 2011, 02:04:46 PM
Thanks : I am going to see if I can find a used dillon on Ebay, The 650 sounds like my Ponsness Warren hydraulic, it took some doing but once I got it dialed in with all the bugs out of it is a great loader. Sometimes I think it is a game trying to get them to work as the factory should deliver them. My wife and I used to shoot 30 thousand trap birds (clay) a year and could not have afforded it without the PW. Anybody shoot trap or sporting clays?
I love to shoot Trap. Sporting Clays is a humbling experience when tried with a pump. My trap gun is a Winchester Model 12 Trap. Fell into it for a song and it fits me like a glove.
Quote from: Monsterlover on March 09, 2011, 02:41:36 PM
O/U would only be two shots though, right?
You need more? ;D
Accuracy by volume ;D
Trap, skeet and sporting clays are two shots max anyway, except for flurries. Pump guns are fine for sporting clays but a trap M-12 with a full choke will definately give you some problems on most sporting courses. I usually run Improved Cylinder or Skeet for most sporting courses unless they have some longer shots.
Depending on how its set up, 5 Stand is a real fun shotgun game - very fast paced with a huge variety of shots and angles.
Quote from: Monsterlover on March 09, 2011, 02:47:47 PM
Accuracy by volume ;D
Sounds good but unless your shooting doubles in trap it is a single, and no more than two for S/C. Although if you get to no the guy who is running the range you can have a lot of fun with an 8 shot Benelli shooting rabbits.....
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I sort of burned out on trap, but I like skeet and sporting clays. I take pistol and rifle real serious and shoot sporting and skeet for recreation. My wife and I like to shoot sporting at several of the clubs around the state. I started working at a trap club when I was about 15 - spent a lot of time sitting in a trap house setting birds on the arm and trying to keep my fingers. [/color]
Man yea that brings back a few memories of sitting in the trap house all day for the privilage of shooting a free round.
Trap burned us out all together, we were getting close to beating the big dogs and winning enough to pay for our shooting but that turned it into work. And work sucked the fun out of it. Even with an all american for a couch (Kay Ohye) we could not make it work. But it was fun while it lasted.......
Quote from: rgramjet on March 09, 2011, 02:46:17 PM
I love to shoot Trap. Sporting Clays is a humbling experience when tried with a pump. My trap gun is a Winchester Model 12 Trap. Fell into it for a song and it fits me like a glove.
Nothing more fun that sporting clays and a pump gun, It makes you screw in and usually you end up shooting better. My favorite for fun is a model 42 Winchester. You are either on or off, no in between.
In Wisconsin, shooting trap is just another excuse to drink beer. My local gunclub sells more beer on league night than all the taverns in town put together. (if you understand the number of taverns per capita in WI, this is an accomplishment)
Pretty much why I don't shoot trap anymore.
Sporting Clays with a pump 410 will really separate the men from the boys - thats tough!
One of my sporting guns is a Beretta 686 Silver Pigeon in 28 ga. It breaks birds like a 12 but its super pleasant to shoot. I usually shoot my Merkel side by each.
Quote from: WarrenJ on March 09, 2011, 03:09:02 PM
Sporting Clays with a pump 410 will really separate the men from the boys - thats tough!
One of my sporting guns is a Beretta 686 Silver Pigeon in 28 ga. It breaks birds like a 12 but its super pleasant to shoot. I usually shoot my Merkel side by each.
That for some reason is something that I could never do well, shoot a two side. The 686 I know well in 12Ga. I like small bores, makes it fun. My 42 has a full chock and I load my own, I got 1/2 oz of no. 8's doing 1500 FPS. It sometimes seperates the brase from the case though.
Quote from: WarrenJ on March 09, 2011, 03:09:02 PM
Sporting Clays with a pump 410 will really separate the men from the boys - thats tough!
bah! try clays with 22 shotshells!
Quote from: ducatiz on March 09, 2011, 03:17:27 PM
bah! try clays with 22 shotshells!
Yah got me thier................But I will try anything with a trigger.
Warren, what are your thoughts on the Dillon 550 vs 650?
Im looking in the Blue Press book i got the other day and they seem pretty simiar. I like the auto case feed option.
Quote from: ducatiz on March 09, 2011, 03:17:27 PM
bah! try clays with 22 shotshells!
I don't think those things would touch a clay past 10 ft... [laugh]
I broke a couple skeet targets from station 1 with a 45 auto and shot cartridges. Ballistic Products has some real cool wads and data for the small gauges. They have a spreader/brush wad and some for heavier than standard loads for the 28 ga that I really like. They also have a round ball wad and load that uses a .490 round ball in the 28 that is amazingly accurate for what it is. (hit a coffee can at 50+ yards with a vent rib and bead sight)
The 550 is a good machine. It will handle rifle or pistol, but from what I remember, they are a manually indexing unit. Not a real big deal, but not quite as fast as a 650. The upside is they are way less complex and far easier to change calibers on. You give up a bit of raw speed but gain a bunch of versatility.
Yep. That's how they're different. They still claim 500-600 rounds an hour with the 550
I was just watching some vids of the Dillon loaders. I like the 650 better i think.
I ran across this as well. Thought it was neat. Watch the bolt bounce on the rifle.
Slow motion: firearms cycling[/urlvi (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtube_gdata_player&v=l5PHkv3f-9U#normal)
Quote from: Monsterlover on March 09, 2011, 03:59:08 PM
I was just watching some bids of the Dillon loaders. I like the 650 better i think.
I ran across this as well. Thought it was neat. Watch the bolt bounce on the rifle.
Slow motion: firearms cycling (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtube_gdata_player&v=l5PHkv3f-9U#normal)
Ahhhh : Poetry in motion........You can really tell why the 911 is either working well or jammin. Close timing!
I can't tell if that is a ramped barrell?
The pistol was pretty scary, they had half the locking lug recess cut away in the top of the slide to show lockup.
Quote from: BoDiddley on March 09, 2011, 03:16:04 PM
That for some reason is something that I could never do well, shoot a two side. The 686 I know well in 12Ga. I like small bores, makes it fun. My 42 has a full chock and I load my own, I got 1/2 oz of no. 8's doing 1500 FPS. It sometimes seperates the brase from the case though.
My bird guns are Winchester 101s and 23s, two each in 12 and 20. I love shooting the side by sides. They're fun in an old school kind of way. But I'm better with the o/u 101s. I ended up with my Dad's prestine Win 42 when he passed away. It's damn fun too. My brother is a Zen master with a .410! I had a 101 and a 23 in .410 but I sold them to him a while back. He was much more deserving of them. I just looked plain bad when I dove hunted with them. :P
The difference between 410 and 28 ga is astounding. You really have to have your poop in one sock shooting a 410 but a 28 ga lets you be almost as sloppy as you can be with a 12. I have a lot of respect for anyone that can hit consistantly with the 410.
Quote from: WarrenJ on March 09, 2011, 08:33:09 PM
The difference between 410 and 28 ga is astounding. You really have to have your poop in one sock shooting a 410 but a 28 ga lets you be almost as sloppy as you can be with a 12. I have a lot of respect for anyone that can hit consistantly with the 410.
I shot a squrrel w, a 410 from about 20 feet ...and the damn thing just laughed at me !
Dolph ;D
Quote from: DoubleEagle on March 09, 2011, 11:54:20 PM
I shot a squrrel w, a 410 from about 20 feet ...and the damn thing just laughed at me !
Dolph ;D
Yep, Thats what a .410 will do. Either a hit or a miss, but you should have taken his head off at that range.
Quote from: BoDiddley on March 10, 2011, 09:13:53 AM
Yep, Thats what a .410 will do. Either a hit or a miss, but you should have taken his head off at that range.
must have been rock salt. i think you can pack 2-3 pieces in a 410
Picked this up today. Was actually looking for a Glock 17, but came across this instead. Have never owned a Ruger before or a 9mm. This just felt really good and I really couldn't find anything I didn't like about it and the price was good I thought.
(http://www.dgmphotography.net/forumpost/March2011/RugerSR9s.jpg)
Sr9?
Yes, SR9.
Good to buy American. [thumbsup] I bet you'll like it. Don't have one but does Ruger make a "bad" gun?? Sure, some folks may not like Rugers but I have never had a bad one and I don't know anyone who has.
People will pregnant dog about 9mm but it's cheaper to shoot (these days and before) than .45acp or .40S&W and it gets 'er done. OK, let the debate and disagreements begin! [laugh]
I have the sr9c and absolutely love it. Its got a shorter barrel than the SR9 and come with a 10 round mag to make it compact (the C in the name) it also come with the 17rd mag the sr9 uses.
I thought id like the big mag better (big hands here) but it turned out i was just as handy with either.
Good choice, you'll like it.
9mm is plenty especially with reasonable shot placement.
I certainly would not want to be hit with one.
Quote from: Monsterlover on March 10, 2011, 04:52:17 PM
9mm is plenty especially with reasonable shot placement.
I certainly would not want to be hit with one.
+1 on that one, Corbon 9mm 115gr travels along at 1350fps. That gives it a wound cavity real close to a .357 125gr. But something about a .45 230gr flying ashtray bestows confidence. Nice Ruger.....
Looks a bit top heavy, does it feel that way?
so, the time has come and I'm looking to get my concealed carry and my first gun. I need something small that I'll feel comfortable carrying on the bike (my every day work commuter) and a trigger I can pull easily with my itty bitty little girl hands.
I've been around guns my whole life, but always the big hunting guns of family so I really have no idea what I should be looking for here. oh, and also, budget is tight.
Just for some background, I was assaulted last year and ever since then I've been thinking I need to invest in some additional protection. I'm a pretty petite girl, so there's not too much I can really do to protect myself and with the late nights I have to put in at work in sketchy downtown Houston, I would feel much better having a gun that I feel comfortable with...and so would my mom, who is buying this baby as a birthday present for me (she has one of these: http://www.the-m-factor.com/ (http://www.the-m-factor.com/))
all suggestions and feedback are appreciated!
Quote from: DesmoLu on March 10, 2011, 06:57:54 PM
so, the time has come and I'm looking to get my concealed carry and my first gun. I need something small that I'll feel comfortable carrying on the bike (my every day work commuter) and a trigger I can pull easily with my itty bitty little girl hands.
I've been around guns my whole life, but always the big hunting guns of family so I really have no idea what I should be looking for here. oh, and also, budget is tight.
Just for some background, I was assaulted last year and ever since then I've been thinking I need to invest in some additional protection. I'm a pretty petite girl, so there's not too much I can really do to protect myself and with the late nights I have to put in at work in sketchy downtown Houston, I would feel much better having a gun that I feel comfortable with...and so would my mom, who is buying this baby as a birthday present for me (she has one of these: http://www.the-m-factor.com/ (http://www.the-m-factor.com/))
all suggestions and feedback are appreciated!
Go to a range that rents different guns and find one that you feel good handling and get that.
We can suggest guns, but what fits us or someone we know might not feel comfortable to you.
what he said
The biggest factor is does it feel comfortable in your hand and pulling the trigger?
I would suggest something like a ruger lcr or smith and wesson body guard (both are .380) the reason i suggest these is that they are geared for smaller hands. As they are revolvers they wont jam or fail to extract ever. Basically point and shoot. Not really anything to go wrong with the gun.
But the number one is does it feel comfortable in your hand. After you find something you think feels good, go shoot it. Either find someone who will let you try theirs or hit a range that will rent out guns.
The last thing is to keep in touch with this thread.
Quote from: ducpainter on March 10, 2011, 07:04:30 PM
Go to a range that rents different guns and find one that you feel good handling and get that.
We can suggest guns, but what fits us or someone we know might not feel comfortable to you.
+1 on that, remember to try a small wheel gun. Can't beat them for reliable and small. I have a 9mm S&W five shot (moon clips) that I like alot. And don't let them sell you something you do not really like or can handle. Most dealers are good but a few will do that.
The most important thing you can invest in is GOOD training. The training should be in two tiers. The first should be in basic marksmanship and handling of your gun until you have solid competence with the mechanics of shooting. Then you should take in a good self defense program such as LFI-1 (Lethal Force Institute). My friend Massad Ayoob runs his classes all over the country. About 40% of the class is shooting technique, the rest of the class gives you a firm understanding about the legal use of deadly force and how to survive the legal, physiological and emotional aftermath. I cannot recommend this enough.
I wish you were closer, I'm an NRA Certified Instructor and my wife and I sort of specialize in teaching women to shoot. Teaching someone to become a recreational or competition shooter is a little different than teaching someone directly for self defense. Its important to build the proper habits early instead of having to unlearn something.
I always say if you feel pressured or rushed into buying something like this, then you probably are, and need to take a little break. Just get away from the salesman/woman and take a breather, or even go somewhere else to shop, any store in almost any town in the conutry can order any gun you want. YOUR job (not their's) is to find the one that works for YOU. I know a tiny lady who carries a 44 mag revolver because she can shoot and carry it really well, she wants that much firepower, and she is comfortable with it. Don't let anyone talk you out of trying out a 'bigger' gun oif you want to give it a go, you might like the fact that larger framed guns can often absorb the 'kick' better than a smaller gun, and also give you a bit more to hang onto. On the other hand some women want a smaller gun, guve that a go too.
Try revolvers and semiautomatics, usually I suggest you find a lot of friends (who you feel comfortable with) who own different guns and go shoot a bunch of them (the guns, not your friends) just for fun. You get to have fun shooting (usually most guys will provide the ammo for you which = free shooting for you) and you get to really try out a lot of different guns at wonce and compare them.
The Doc
All good advice gal! Find what works for you. Great idea to go to a good local range and play dumb. Excuse me... Lord knows you're not dumb by any means [bang]... but be a blank canvas. That's better said. Let a (hopefully) good range hand/sales associate steer you in the right direction.
I've posted before about my ex-wife never finding an auto that she could handle and work. She ended up loving my hopped up Smith & Wesson model 65 revolver. And I found her a really nice police dept. trade in and had some custom, slick up work done to it. She rocked with that wheel gun! Don't discount small framed wheel guns either. I love them and I have all sorts of guns. Look into the J frame Smith and Wesson revolvers. You may find what you are looking for in their line up. Just saying... they work 100% of the time and they can get the "job" done! ;D
We just set up a friends wife with two revolvers. A 2" Smith 22 J-Frame and a Matching 38 Ladysmith J Both guns are identical in size and the 22 has been great for learning the basics with minimal recoil and she has easliy graduated to the Ladysmith. She was a non-shooter and has very small hands.
Another gun or two to consider is the Smith 22 Mag revolver with the Scandium frame. Its super lightweight, low recoil, easy to shoot and suprisingly effective. The other is the new Smith in 327 Mag. for the same reasons. It is actually every bit as effective as a 9mm.
My wife carries either a Kahr 9mm or a Colt Commander 9mm.
Unfortunately all this is meaningless without having some direct contact.
Quote from: Monsterlover on March 10, 2011, 07:19:29 PM
what he said
The biggest factor is does it feel comfortable in your hand and pulling the trigger?
i would say the biggest factor is how are you going to conceal it?
i have a beautiful HK USP that feels awesome, but I might as well try to stuff a toaster into my pants. it's huge.
^ also needs conidering. Not only does it need to be comfy in the hand, you need to be able to hide it.
Quote from: BoDiddley on March 10, 2011, 06:53:18 PM
+1 on that one, Corbon 9mm 115gr travels along at 1350fps. That gives it a wound cavity real close to a .357 125gr. But something about a .45 230gr flying ashtray bestows confidence. Nice Ruger.....
Looks a bit top heavy, does it feel that way?
It might feel a little top heavy, but not bad, and I really don't have much to compare it to. I'm excited to get it to the range and really start playing with it/learning it.
It should balance out nicely with a full mag
You'll like it. Give us an after action report when you get back from the range. [thumbsup]
Quote from: ducatiz on March 11, 2011, 04:59:23 AM
i would say the biggest factor is how are you going to conceal it?
It will stay in the riding jacket at all times (or truck consul if in truck).
As a disclaimer, I *do* know how to shoot - I've shot a lot of target, a deer, bunnies, even a tasty cow (mmm, beef)... not a whole lot else to do growing up in rural New Mexico. I've just only interacted with large guns, mainly hunting rifles. As for the note above, not too familiar with something that will sit nicely in the leathers. However, I do plan to spend plenty of time at the range to get well acquainted with the new friend even after taking the concealed carry class (involves a few hours shooting, at least locally).
Quote from: DesmoLu on March 11, 2011, 10:06:37 PM
As a disclaimer, I *do* know how to shoot - I've shot a lot of target, a deer, bunnies, even a tasty cow (mmm, beef)... not a whole lot else to do growing up in rural New Mexico. I've just only interacted with large guns, mainly hunting rifles. As for the note above, not too familiar with something that will sit nicely in the leathers. However, I do plan to spend plenty of time at the range to get well acquainted with the new friend even after taking the concealed carry class (involves a few hours shooting, at least locally).
longarm shooting and pistol shooting (under pressure) are really very different.
the best way to learn to shoot defensive pistol is to drink a shitload of espresso -- enough that you're shaking -- and then try. its not a perfect analogy for being hopped up on adrenalin but its close enough.
I may be being over cautious but carrying on the bike makes me more selective on the gun. Personaly I do not trust the glock style saftey system for riding. I like a da/sa with a decocking lever or a dao trigger system for the peace of mind that if I do happen to go down the chances of a discharge when that happens are almost imposible.
Quote from: fastwin on March 11, 2011, 12:35:19 PM
You'll like it. Give us an after action report when you get back from the range. [thumbsup]
Will do! If the weather is nice enough (outdoor range) I plan to go shoot it a bit on Monday.
Quote from: ducatiz on March 12, 2011, 12:02:39 AM
the best way to learn to shoot defensive pistol is to drink a shitload of espresso -- enough that you're shaking -- and then try. its not a perfect analogy for being hopped up on adrenalin but its close enough.
if only caffeine effected me in the slightest... but that's a good suggestion!
Quote from: DesmoLu on March 12, 2011, 11:08:59 AM
if only caffeine effected me in the slightest... but that's a good suggestion!
any stimulant can do the trick, just most people are more comfortable with caffeine. not enough to impair you, just enough to give you a shake. it's pretty amazing how different one's performance is, even for very experienced shooters. most people have done their training in comfortable circumstances, or just off a bench.
stress shooting is a whole different animal.
Taking a good self defense style course is always a good idea. It may not be "competition" but shooting solo drills in front of the rest of the class and the instructor standing behind you with a PACT timer is nice and stressful. ;D I've had many students perform well in the class only to have the wheels come off when shooting a solo drill when I hit the start buzzer on the PACT. Something about having all those eyes on you and the thought that your run is going to be timed and compared to the rest of the class. And of course I did kind of go out of the way to continuely talk about how nerve raking it is. [laugh] Wasn't being a jerk, just trying to add a little extra pressure. Like doing a "Rossi" and try to get in their heads and mess with them. Still, that's only a tiny percent of the real pressure you would experience in a real life, armed confrontation. It's good practice to go through that pressure and perform well. IPSC or IDPA shoots are good for "pressure practice" too. [thumbsup]
Went shooting today:
My best - 2nd time shooting this particular gun:
(http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn168/the_journeyman/Misc/DSC_0065-1024.jpg)
Wife's - New shooter only 2nd time shooting at all, same gun I was using:
(http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn168/the_journeyman/Misc/DSC_0066-1024.jpg)
JM
Picked this up today to certify with:
(http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn168/the_journeyman/Misc/DSC_0074-1024-1.jpg)
Check out the wadcutters & rat shot in the corner of the box:
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Detail of grip:
(http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn168/the_journeyman/Misc/DSC_0071-1024.jpg)
Closer shot of the rat shot (left) & wadcuters (right) that have been in the box for who knows how long:
(http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn168/the_journeyman/Misc/DSC_0068-1024.jpg)
Label:
(http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn168/the_journeyman/Misc/DSC_0072-1024.jpg)
JM
Quote from: fastwin on March 12, 2011, 11:45:33 AM
Taking a good self defense style course is always a good idea. It may not be "competition" but shooting solo drills in front of the rest of the class and the instructor standing behind you with a PACT timer is nice and stressful. ;D I've had many students perform well in the class only to have the wheels come off when shooting a solo drill when I hit the start buzzer on the PACT. Something about having all those eyes on you and the thought that your run is going to be timed and compared to the rest of the class. And of course I did kind of go out of the way to continuely talk about how nerve raking it is. [thumbsup]
Massad Ayoob
If he does a course in your area it is the ultimate, even if you have to drive for hours to get to it. I have taken all of his courses 1 11 and 111 and have shot with him in competition, massad is the man. He as they say writes the book. He will teach you things that you cannot comprehend and that is the best way to learn as you cannot actually comprehend the worst.
http://massadayoobgroup.com/ (http://massadayoobgroup.com/)
http://www.personaldefensesolutions.net/MassadAyoobTeaches.pdf (http://www.personaldefensesolutions.net/MassadAyoobTeaches.pdf)
Is that what you and the wife shot the targets with? Sweet old Security Six. [thumbsup] It's been around for a while! Everyone gets all wrapped up around the axle with all the new cool autos and good old wheelguns get forgotten and collect dust in the back of gun safes. Sad.
Taking the family to my farm for a few days since it's Spring Break and junior is all excited about the guns were going to shoot. Funny, he seems most amped up about my S&W model 65 revolver I posted about earlier. Writing those posts made me want to shoot it again! [thumbsup] I'll let him get a little wheelgun time on it. He wants to shoot a 1911 real bad so I'm taking a Springfield with a Wilson .22 top end so he can learn the gun. And I'm bringing a 5" Les Baer if he passes the .22 1911 test. No PACT timers on him... he doesn't need that stress right now. ;D
Nice score on the Ruger!! [clap]
Quote from: BoDiddley on March 12, 2011, 05:08:14 PM
Massad Ayoob
If he does a course in your area it is the ultimate, even if you have to drive for hours to get to it. I have taken all of his courses 1 11 and 111 and have shot with him in competition, massad is the man. He as they say writes the book. He will teach you things that you cannot comprehend and that is the best way to learn as you cannot actually comprehend the worst.
http://www.ayoob.com/ (http://www.ayoob.com/)http://massadayoobgroup.com/ (http://massadayoobgroup.com/)
http://www.personaldefensesolutions.net/MassadAyoobTeaches.pdf (http://www.personaldefensesolutions.net/MassadAyoobTeaches.pdf)
I have never taken a course from him but you are right... he is the MAN!! I know friends that have taken his courses and they raved. It's my understanding that if you have been a student of his and you get into a self defense shooting scenario and some how get criminally charged or sued in a civil court he will (at no charge) testify on your behalf as an expert witness. Is that right?
My personal version of him is Louis Awerbuck. He too is awesome!!
http://www.yfainc.com/ (http://www.yfainc.com/)
If you are an LFI grad, Mas will represent you as an expert witness. Part of the course sets up the groundwork for an affirmative defense using what was taught, etc. Absolutely well worth the time and money to take his courses. My wife and I shot with Mas and his daughter at 2nd Chance, we both went through LFI-1 with him and were guest instructors at a class he held in our area a few years ago. His classes start off where his books end. I figured I would just sort of snooze through the lectures - I was completely stunned at all the critical things I either didn't know or had an incorrect understanding of. If you are thinking about taking more personal responsibility for your self defense, taking LFI or a similar course, such as Thunder Ranch or Gunsite is incredibly important.
Quote from: fastwin on March 12, 2011, 05:24:18 PM
I have never taken a course from him but you are right... he is the MAN!! I know friends that have taken his courses and they raved. It's my understanding that if you have been a student of his and you get into a self defense shooting scenario and some how get criminally charged or sued in a civil court he will (at no charge) testify on your behalf as an expert witness. Is that right?
My personal version of him is Louis Awerbuck. He too is awesome!!
http://www.yfainc.com/ (http://www.yfainc.com/)
Yes : He has testified for many of his students to the abilities of what that the student was trained in..........He also has a number of attorneys that work with him across the country. That is something that he drills into you that it is just as much a legal action as it is a lethal one. That is a cloud that seems to hang over lethal defense.
Im seriously considering selling my 1911. How would i accurately value it? Best place to market it? Gunbroker?
Its an Argentine made Sistema 1911, all original barrel-slide-frame. Serial number puts dates of manufacture in 1943 i believe.
I have 400+ rounds for it as well. Should i include them with the gun or sell seperate? Are there any liability issues i should worry about since i loaded those myself?
My Ruger 9mm has pretty much taken over my range time. I just like it a lot and im pretty accurate with it (usually)
The .45 is fun to shoot, don't get me wrong, but its very hard to be accurate with it. I figure to bring it up to snuff it would need all new sights and probably a barrel/ bushing. Maybe just a refit to a new bushing. Not sure.
I don't feel right about messing with an all original firearm that's almost 70 years old. You know?
The other thing is im looking at moving up to a progressive loading setup in 9mm to support the Ruger and possibly a CX4 Storm 9mm down the road. Got this one on the brain pretty bad. Its one less reason (two?) to load .45
Thoughts?
Am i nuts for thinking of selling?
Quote from: Monsterlover on March 12, 2011, 05:40:38 PM
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I don't feel right about messing with an all original firearm that's almost 70 years old. You know?
The other thing is im looking at moving up to a progressive loading setup in 9mm to support the Ruger and possibly a CX4 Storm 9mm down the road. Got this one on the brain pretty bad. Its one less reason (two?) to load .45
Thoughts?
Am i nuts for thinking of selling?
I have always been sorry for every gun I have ever sold.......If you can live without selling it you will be glad you kept it in the future........ ;D
It is also fun and rewarding to work on your weapon, call it a learning experience!
Yeah, i thought of that. I don't *need* to sell it. Its just a case of replacing something i don't shoot with something i would.
Quote from: Monsterlover on March 12, 2011, 05:54:36 PM
Yeah, i thought of that. I don't *need* to sell it. Its just a case of replacing something i don't shoot with something i would.
Yea : That works to........If you are going to get more shooting out of the deal that is a plus!
Some background: the 1911 was my first hand gun and the guy i bought it from is a friends dad (ok he's my friend too) and he taught me how to reload too. This gun got me into shooting and firearms. It was the gateway gun for me.
I have a .22 bolt rifle and a 30-30 winchestor to hunt with but don't hunt anymore and even when i did it got shot 3 times a year. Sight in.
For whatever reason i am now a firearm addict. Guns i don't have but want are a daily thought.
Beretta Cx4
rem 870
Rem 700
Ruger lcr 380
maybe a bigger wheel gun
ar
kel-tec ksg
A friend has a 454 casull i can't wait to shoot. (Hope i spelled casull right, im half in the bag)
The list goes on...
Quote from: fastwin on March 12, 2011, 05:17:30 PM
Is that what you and the wife shot the targets with? Sweet old Security Six. [thumbsup] It's been around for a while! Everyone gets all wrapped up around the axle with all the new cool autos and good old wheelguns get forgotten and collect dust in the back of gun safes. Sad.
Yup, that was the hole puncher! It really is an incredible shooting revolver. If you cock the hammer and fire it single action, there is maybe 1/8th inch of trigger movement, if that much and it is really light. Even shooting double action with the longer trigger pull I was still shooting a nice group.
We'll not shoot this one much, as it's such a nice piece, it's not even had 100 rounds through it. It is fun to shoot though. It belonged to my late grandfather and he only fired it one time, putting the hole in the corner of the box.
JM
Quote from: Monsterlover on March 12, 2011, 06:07:17 PM
A friend has a 454 casull i can't wait to shoot. (Hope i spelled casull right, im half in the bag)
You're gonna be smiling after shooting that 8)
JM
Quote from: Monsterlover on March 12, 2011, 06:07:17 PM
kel-tec ksg
A friend has a 454 casull i can't wait to shoot. (Hope i spelled casull right, im half in the bag)
The list goes on...
Don't forget about a long barrel Ruger red or black in 44 mag. A 300gr 44 will be close to a 454 (all be it not that big a diameter) but the ammo will be a lot cheaper to buy.
Btw nice piece JM
I don't worry too much about ammo prices. I roll my own and cal it a day ;D
Quote from: Monsterlover on March 12, 2011, 07:03:32 PM
Btw nice piece JM
Thanks! It is a nice shooting revolver. Gonna certify for my CCW with it next weekend.
JM
Good luck.
In pa you just fill out some paperwork and pay $25 and you're in.
Quote from: BoDiddley on March 12, 2011, 05:47:20 PM
I have always been sorry for every gun I have ever sold.......If you can live without selling it you will be glad you kept it in the future........ ;D
It is also fun and rewarding to work on your weapon, call it a learning experience!
I'm with Bo-D! [thumbsup] With the personal connection and the fact that you "really" don't HAVE to sell it I'd hang onto it. Why the hell not? Can't tell you how many firesticks I have in the safes that I haven't shot in a while. It's kind of like rediscovering them after a few years. It's like "Wow, I forgot about this one!!" Had that same moment a few months ago with a FN FAL G-series sear cut lightweight. Too nice and expensive to wear out so it sees limited use. Sweet ass rifle! [thumbsup] That one won't be sold. I'll lose my house first! [laugh]
I've been struggling with something for a while now that perhaps you experts can help with. I struggle with how to store my personal protection pistols, especially in the home. How, where, with what safety precautions, etc? The struggle is between wanting to store safely, especially with children in the home, while maintaining the ability to grab and use in an excited rush if that need should ever arise. Any insights appreciated.
I've been thinking about this exact same thing lately except we don't have kids.
How to make weapons accessible on short notice and at the same time keep them out of an intruders hands.
Wear it.
Quote from: ducatiz on March 13, 2011, 07:54:14 AM
Wear it.
Horrible milling accident with ML's new equipment turns into opportunity
Gun Arm (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvUPYNC-hDc#normal)
Quote from: ducatiz on March 13, 2011, 07:54:14 AM
Wear it.
the wife objects when I wear just my holster and gun to bed unfortunately.
Quote from: dgm on March 13, 2011, 07:44:15 AM
I've been struggling with something for a while now that perhaps you experts can help with. I struggle with how to store my personal protection pistols, especially in the home. How, where, with what safety precautions, etc? The struggle is between wanting to store safely, especially with children in the home, while maintaining the ability to grab and use in an excited rush if that need should ever arise. Any insights appreciated.
http://www.gunsafes.com/GunVault-Micro-Vault-MVB500.html (http://www.gunsafes.com/GunVault-Micro-Vault-MVB500.html)
There are larger models.
Just lube it up more.
or get a thumbprint safe that you bolt tp a nightstand
Quote from: ducpainter on March 13, 2011, 08:12:25 AM
http://www.gunsafes.com/GunVault-Micro-Vault-MVB500.html (http://www.gunsafes.com/GunVault-Micro-Vault-MVB500.html)
There are larger models.
that's cool. short of lubing more and wearing it to bed, I think this might be my answer. thanks!
Quote from: dgm on March 13, 2011, 08:22:55 AM
that's cool. short of lubing more and wearing it to bed, I think this might be my answer. thanks!
There is usually someone selling them at gunshows for prices
close to what you can find online.
You can check the different models and save shipping.
Good luck.
My wifely unit is neither a gun or motorcycle person. Yeah, I know... why in the hell did she marry me? Good question? [laugh] Certainly wasn't for my charm and good looks. :P Anyway, she watches several young kiddos of friends (2-5 year olds) and I have had to strip down my normal 10-20 guns in every room to just a couple in the house. That's sort of a joke...
I told her for Christmas she should get me a small gun safe for under the bed. I found one I liked at Cabela's on line. It was a GunVault brand, mini deluxe/GV1000 model. Google Cabela's and search for gun safes. I'm too lazy to find the link right now. [laugh] If you get some kind of small gun safe remember to either order the locking security cable or figure out your own security method... ie. bolting it to the wall, etc. Half the problem is making it safe from small fry the other half is to keep some burglar from walking away with it and cracking it open later.
Interesting points.
I don't have kids so I don't have to worry about that. A small gun vault isn't a bad idea.
Im thinking more along the lines of where do you stash a shotgun or other hand guns downstairs (ie not in the bedroom) so you have something close at hand at times when you're not in bed?
Bolt a holster under a table?
That still leaves where to stick a sg so that it's ready when you want it, but when you're not near it an intruder won't grab it to use against you.
something to keep in mind are child protection laws that many states have and enforce regarding firearms....even if you don't have kids yourself, if there's ever a chance that kids could come into your home, it's worth checking into.
Kids are not coming into my home.
If they do they're there to rob me and they're getting shot at
;D
Quote from: Monsterlover on March 13, 2011, 09:08:43 AM
Kids are not coming into my home.
If they do they're there to rob me and they're getting shot at
;D
They might be armed...
careful. :P
Never know I suppose.
Probably should assume they are.
Doubt it would ever happen though.
Holster under every sink, and under table or behind furniture in other rooms..
Quote from: ducpainter on March 13, 2011, 08:12:25 AM
http://www.gunsafes.com/GunVault-Micro-Vault-MVB500.html (http://www.gunsafes.com/GunVault-Micro-Vault-MVB500.html)
There are larger models.
I've seen mixed reviews about these types of gun safes. I was at a gunshop and a guy was asking about a model the shop was selling. The sales guy tried 3 times before the safe actually opened. Granted this was about 3 years ago so I hope that they've gotten better and if that's the case then I might be able to finally convince the wife that it's time to keep a firearm at home.
Quote from: cokey on March 13, 2011, 03:02:07 PM
Holster under every sink, and under table or behind furniture in other rooms..
you going to beat them to death with leather?
Quote from: Mother on March 14, 2011, 12:46:35 PM
you going to beat them to death with leather?
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lol... it'll have a gun in it..
Quote from: duccarlos on March 14, 2011, 11:50:18 AM
I've seen mixed reviews about these types of gun safes. I was at a gunshop and a guy was asking about a model the shop was selling. The sales guy tried 3 times before the safe actually opened. Granted this was about 3 years ago so I hope that they've gotten better and if that's the case then I might be able to finally convince the wife that it's time to keep a firearm at home.
I watched both the bio-metric and the combination one opened at a show with no trouble.
Maybe it was smoke and mirrors.
Quote from: ducatiz on March 14, 2011, 01:06:04 PM
(http://bryanreesman.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/smelltheglove1-300x292.jpg)
Classic.
I ordered the biometric one for $165 and free shipping. Will let you know what I think when it arrives.
Quote from: dgm on March 14, 2011, 03:51:43 PM
I ordered the biometric one for $165 and free shipping. Will let you know what I think when it arrives.
That sounds like a good price...
link?
just ordered from Amazon. no special secrets, sorry! http://www.amazon.com/Gunvault-MVB500-Microvault-Biometric-Pistol/dp/B001UAMZD4 (http://www.amazon.com/Gunvault-MVB500-Microvault-Biometric-Pistol/dp/B001UAMZD4)
Quote from: dgm on March 14, 2011, 04:53:47 PM
just ordered from Amazon. no special secrets, sorry! http://www.amazon.com/Gunvault-MVB500-Microvault-Biometric-Pistol/dp/B001UAMZD4 (http://www.amazon.com/Gunvault-MVB500-Microvault-Biometric-Pistol/dp/B001UAMZD4)
How boring... :P
THis is mine. bolted to the bed frame.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300532895785 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300532895785)
A bit smaller, but cheaper too.
Quote from: dgm on March 13, 2011, 09:07:27 AM
something to keep in mind are child protection laws that many states have and enforce regarding firearms....even if you don't have kids yourself, if there's ever a chance that kids could come into your home, it's worth checking into.
It is a Federal law passed about 93, you are criminally and financially responsible for "anything" that happens with a gun that an underage (18) person acquires from your premises that was not confined in a safe. Words are not right but it was passed in the first year of /Mr. Clinton. I remember they were trying to slip it through stating any age, which would have been disastrous except for the attorneys union.
Let's please be careful with talk that borders on political discussion, shall we?
I love the fact the kids are growing up. ;D
[laugh]
Quote from: BoDiddley on March 15, 2011, 04:28:24 PM
It is a Federal law passed about 93, you are criminally and financially responsible for "anything" that happens with a gun that an underage (18) person acquires from your premises that was not confined in a safe. Words are not right but it was passed in the first year of /Mr. Clinton. I remember they were trying to slip it through stating any age, which would have been disastrous except for the attorneys union.
Could you PM me a link to this legislation? Sounds like hooey to me.
Federal lawsuits generally are not private party (i.e. individual) defendants.
Quote from: DRKWNG on March 15, 2011, 04:40:38 PM
Let's please be careful with talk that borders on political discussion, shall we?
No discussion, just a fact unless it was repealed. Not even politics just a law. I will do a search for more info and try to make it less political ???
Quote from: BoDiddley on March 15, 2011, 07:24:04 PM
No discussion, just a fact unless it was repealed. Not even politics just a law. I will do a search for more info and try to make it less political ???
Just so you know...
we don't do gun law...period. It will get this locked and you a day off.
Talk about guns all you want.
Quote from: ducpainter on March 15, 2011, 07:34:04 PM
Just so you know...
we don't do gun law...period. It will get this locked and you a day off.
Talk about guns all you want.
Sorry news to me, I was responding to a law question.............
Just let it go bro
Its a lot safer to talk law via pm
;)
Quote from: Monsterlover on March 15, 2011, 08:53:22 PM
Just let it go bro
Its a lot safer to talk law via pm
;)
I was trying to say "I am sorry" not "sorry news". I must be having "one of those nights", Left out one stroke of one key and the whole world comes crashing down. ;D
Just to end all of this nonsense, on top of it, it is Michigan not Federal. I quit
So...
Anybody interested in a .45?
Quote from: Monsterlover on March 16, 2011, 05:02:50 AM
So...
Anybody interested in a .45?
yeah, keep it. you'll regret selling it later.
if you HAVE to sell it, then gunbroker is your best bet.
I say keep it as well.
Wait. I thought I told you to keep it a couple of pages ago! Listen to your elders! [laugh]
And hey people, don't get my thread locked! ;D
This is by far my FAVORITE thread so far ever!!! Please do not get it locked. I have learned a lot about firearms from this thread, and also respect the opinions, reviews of firearms, and information here more than anywhere else on the internet. You ask why. Perhaps it is because I know that all of you have an afinity for fine working machinery. Perhaps it is because I am of the opinion that the majority of the people on this forum are here to help others, to contribute, and to come together as an online family of sorts. Okay, now I'm getting sappy. Let's talk about guns.
I'm looking at a Taurus model 617ti 7-shot 357 magnum revolver w/a 2" barrel for concealed carry; has anybody had personal experience with them? What do you think, and is $425 (plus tax) a good price in the Portland Oregon metro area? How much should I try to talk them down, it is at at a pawnshop here in town so I know they will haggle on the price but I don't know where to start. I was thinking about starting at $400 out the door, which makes it about $370 plus tax at 8.3% = $400.71. There is no fee for a background check here in Washington (I know I said Portland area, but we are on the other side of the river and I live in WA = buying a handgun in the state I LIVE in).
Oh, and I currently CC a Taurus 709slim in 9mm, and often wear bootcut jeans, so concealability is not a big problem with a gun of that size.
The Doc
Taurus makes some fine handguns, that's for sure. As for whether or not that price is a good deal: look around on gunbroaker and see what you find in comparison. You might want to look through the equip exchange portion of AR15.com, as you can sometimes find good deals there as well.
One thing to keep in mind though, as far as CC goes, is that you might actually find it easier to keep a slim 9mm concealed than a wheel gun. Not saying anything bad about revolvers, but they can be more likely to print, depending on your carry rig.
Quote from: Doctor Woodrow on March 17, 2011, 08:37:10 PM
I'm looking at a Taurus model 617ti 7-shot 357 magnum revolver w/a 2" barrel for concealed carry; has anybody had personal experience with them? What do you think, and is $425 (plus tax) a good price in the Portland Oregon metro area? How much should I try to talk them down, it is at at a pawnshop here in town so I know they will haggle on the price but I don't know where to start. I was thinking about starting at $400 out the door, which makes it about $370 plus tax at 8.3% = $400.71. There is no fee for a background check here in Washington (I know I said Portland area, but we are on the other side of the river and I live in WA = buying a handgun in the state I LIVE in).
I have the Tracker in .357 with a stainless frame -- it's the same as the 617's frame with some differences in the barrel, grip and sights.
I did NOT want the Ti version. I held it and something about a 14 oz .357 revolver put me off. I don't mind a superlight autoloader as the bulk of the muzzle blast is taken up by the slide, but on a revolver, it's going to be all in the wrist and forearm.
I believe you'll see a bigger energy:weight ratio on the Ti framed 357 than on a 44mag anaconda.
Quote from: dgm on March 12, 2011, 06:00:44 AM
Will do! If the weather is nice enough (outdoor range) I plan to go shoot it a bit on Monday.
(http://www.dgmphotography.net/forumpost/March2011/RugerSR9s.jpg)
Well, I went and shot about 100 rounds through the SR9 yesterday afternoon. Being pretty novice with guns, I'm not sure how helpful my review will be, but here's my thoughts. First 100 rounds of Winchester FMJ and not a single jam. It didn't feel top heavy at all while shooting. It was a terribly windy day and I had a little trouble even standing steady in the wind, but it seemed to shoot very accurately. One thing that threw me off a bit was the trigger pull. It seemed a bit heavy/long. I'm just comparing it to my Bersa 380, which seems very light. I think I can get used to the SR9 trigger, but it was different than I was expecting. It was a lot of fun to shoot and I went through 100 rounds very quickly! The sights seemed easy to use and the gun just felt really nice in my hands. No discomfort at all while shooting it.
I shot a Ruger a few weeks ago. The trigger pull was really light. My buddy said that he had not done any trigger work on it.
Quote from: DRKWNG on March 18, 2011, 03:39:14 AM
Taurus makes some fine handguns, that's for sure. As for whether or not that price is a good deal: look around on gunbroaker and see what you find in comparison. You might want to look through the equip exchange portion of AR15.com, as you can sometimes find good deals there as well.
One thing to keep in mind though, as far as CC goes, is that you might actually find it easier to keep a slim 9mm concealed than a wheel gun. Not saying anything bad about revolvers, but they can be more likely to print, depending on your carry rig.
Like he said! [thumbsup] Taurus does make some very nice firearms. I remember a few decades ago folks wouldn't say that but they sure say it now. I might get whooped up on for mentioning this but I think they compare nicely to Smith & Wessons. And I'm a huge Smith revolver fan. Not familiar with that specific Taurus wheelgun but it sounds like a K frame (maybe an L frame) Smith size wise being a 7 shot .357. And a K is a lot easier to conceal than an L frame... by a little bit. Do some on line digging for prices. But I have to agree a slim 9mm would be easier to conceal than a full size revolver.
Let us know what you decide! ;D
Quote from: dgm on March 18, 2011, 09:33:04 AM
(http://www.dgmphotography.net/forumpost/March2011/RugerSR9s.jpg)
Well, I went and shot about 100 rounds through the SR9 yesterday afternoon. Being pretty novice with guns, I'm not sure how helpful my review will be, but here's my thoughts. First 100 rounds of Winchester FMJ and not a single jam. It didn't feel top heavy at all while shooting. It was a terribly windy day and I had a little trouble even standing steady in the wind, but it seemed to shoot very accurately. One thing that threw me off a bit was the trigger pull. It seemed a bit heavy/long. I'm just comparing it to my Bersa 380, which seems very light. I think I can get used to the SR9 trigger, but it was different than I was expecting. It was a lot of fun to shoot and I went through 100 rounds very quickly! The sights seemed easy to use and the gun just felt really nice in my hands. No discomfort at all while shooting it.
Sounds like a winner! [thumbsup] Those "Glock style" DOA triggers can be an acquired taste. But it seems like you are well on your way to being happy with it. Looks like a good first date to me! [laugh]
Is it truely a dao? I still get confused on that. That should be tha same as my sr9c which is striker fired. The motion of the slide puts it half cocked so to speak. Pulling the trigger finishes that and releases the firing pin to do it's job.
Quote from: Monsterlover on March 18, 2011, 01:27:33 PM
Is it truely a dao? I still get confused on that. That should be tha same as my sr9c which is striker fired. The motion of the slide puts it half cocked so to speak. Pulling the trigger finishes that and releases the firing pin to do it's job.
same as the glock, you are correct. not exactly DAO
Quote from: dgm on March 18, 2011, 09:33:04 AM
(http://www.dgmphotography.net/forumpost/March2011/RugerSR9s.jpg)
Well, I went and shot about 100 rounds through the SR9 yesterday afternoon. Being pretty novice with guns, I'm not sure how helpful my review will be, but here's my thoughts. First 100 rounds of Winchester FMJ and not a single jam. It didn't feel top heavy at all while shooting. It was a terribly windy day and I had a little trouble even standing steady in the wind, but it seemed to shoot very accurately. One thing that threw me off a bit was the trigger pull. It seemed a bit heavy/long. I'm just comparing it to my Bersa 380, which seems very light. I think I can get used to the SR9 trigger, but it was different than I was expecting. It was a lot of fun to shoot and I went through 100 rounds very quickly! The sights seemed easy to use and the gun just felt really nice in my hands. No discomfort at all while shooting it.
And don't forget to post your shootin' iron pictures in the "show off your guns" thread. Folks like to look at that thread when they don't want to read through all our BS on this thread. [thumbsup]
Passed my CCW
(http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn168/the_journeyman/Misc/CCWTest-1024.jpg)
Not bad, three outliers, but still in the highest scoring area for the CCW class. 30 Rounds.
JM
Quote from: the_Journeyman on March 19, 2011, 12:53:14 PM
Passed my CCW
(http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn168/the_journeyman/Misc/CCWTest-1024.jpg)
Not bad, three outliers, but still in the highest scoring area for the CCW class. 30 Rounds.
JM
any time limit?
distance?
No real limit, distance was only 3, 5, and 7 yards. Two of the outliers were me a result of shooting double action instead of single action. Not overly impressive, but not bad considering I don't have much practice (about 50-60 rounds worth) of practice.
JM
not bad at all.
pretty sure that paper isn't getting up. ;D
Quote from: ducpainter on March 19, 2011, 01:11:08 PM
not bad at all.
pretty sure that paper isn't getting up. ;D
Texas has a 50 round qualifier. 5, 7 and 15 yards. Limited number of rounds fired per string of fire and set times.
Congrats on the score! [thumbsup] I hate the renewal classes. It's frightening to see how poorly a lot of folks shoot and they already have a CCW license! Jeez, come on. Do you only fire your gun at renewal classes once every five years?? [bang] A lot of them sure make it look that way. :P Sad and scary. [roll]
In NC, we don't have to do anything to re-certify aside from setting up an appointment with the Sheriff's office for a new background check every 5 years.
Yea, I saw some scary shooting. Some were using the ENTIRE silhouette... I was unhappy I got the three outliers in the "8" ring.
Something I thought unusual - we had 32 people in the class. Only 1 Glock in the entire class.
JM
OK, this is about a week and a half early but it's been on my mind. On Tuesday March 29th we will be celebrating the 100th anniversary of the 1911 .45acp pistol being adopted by the US military!! [clap] [bow_down] A hundred years old and still kicking butt in the market place with untold numbers of current manufacturers. You know you've got it going on when even Smith & Wesson makes one! [laugh] I bet John Browning is up there with a big shit eating grin on his face. And he deserves it!! ;D
May just have to go to the range that Tuesday and bust a few .45s to celebrate. [thumbsup] [beer]
Speaking of 1911's, does anyone know who makes good 10mm 1911 mags? I took my Razorback out today and after finally getting the extraction/ejection issues sorted, I'm still having feeding issues.
Shooting round nose bullets?
Wilson Combat or Chip McCormic make nice mags
What's the issue?
Have you tried spring r&r?
Quote from: Monsterlover on March 20, 2011, 10:09:55 AM
Wilson Combat or Chip McCormic make nice mags
http://www.cmcmags.com/othermags.html (http://www.cmcmags.com/othermags.html)
http://shopwilsoncombat.com/10mm/products/367/ (http://shopwilsoncombat.com/10mm/products/367/)
Questions:
How long have you had the Dan Wesson? Is it new or did you get it used?
Are you using the original mags or aftermarket?
Is the FTF problem a new one or one that's been around a while?
Have you switched ammo lately? Are you shooting what you normally shoot? What brand and type?
Have you made the appropriate animal sacrifices? ;D
Has it had any massage work by a competent gunsmith? It might need some. Just saying.
FYI I have a Colt Officer's ACP MK IV that I am going to sell if anyone is interested.
Original box, papers, 2 mags, everything. Excellent ++ condition. PM me if you are interested.
I bought it new and it came with a few issues. Sent it back once and then took it to a local guy. It had serious extraction/ejection issues. Case mouths being crimped from the top, lots of stovepipes. Today was the first time I've shot it in a while and I don't really remember too many feeding issues, except with a few HP rounds. I was only putting DoubleTap 180 gr FMJ Match rounds through it but I bought a cheap (relatively) box of Blazer just to put something through it today. The magazines are the originals that came with it, I think they're Chip McCormicks but I'm not sure. Guy I work with recommended these http://www.trippresearch.com/store/store_1911.html (http://www.trippresearch.com/store/store_1911.html) and offered to let me try his out. Gonna do that this coming weekend and see what happens.
Try swapping the extractor. I've foudn that most problems DO come from the mags, but often it's the spring with either too little (typically) or too much pressure (rare). When you load a mag do you tap them regularly?
Sure, borrow your buddy's 10mm mag and see if it helps. Why not? 1911s can sometimes be a little finicky in regards to magazines. But I've had virtually no problem with Wilson or Chip mags over all the years. I had a Delta Elite years ago with some mild 'smitty work. Videcki trigger, beavertail, extended safety, night sights, port/polish, etc. and it worked fine. Traded it to a 10mm fanatic guy I knew. No personal experience with the Dan Wesson 10s. Not sure about the stock mag maker either. Let us know if your friend's mags help with the FTF. Did either Wesson or the local guy do any massage work on the feed ramp? Did their work solve the extraction issues?
Quote from: ducatiz on March 20, 2011, 01:29:47 PM
FYI I have a Colt Officer's ACP MK IV that I am going to sell if anyone is interested.
Original box, papers, 2 mags, everything. Excellent ++ condition. PM me if you are interested.
Let me know if you ever want to sell your CZ-52
No 52. I have a CZ85 one of the old models.
The only Tok I have is an AR upper on order.
Quote from: ducatiz on January 09, 2011, 09:19:48 AM
7.62x25 is not .32, the CZ-52 shoots Tokarev (7.62) ammo.
I can find it as cheap as 7c/rd plus ship, whereas 9mm runs 16c/rd plus ship (in quantity)
I can't stand the CZ52, it's like shooting a zipgun.
I've talked to a couple of smiths about cutting a barrel and modifying a magazine for a Glock 21. The problem with the Tokarev round is that it is so LONG, it won't fit into a 9mm frame at all, almost 5mm longer.
The only other option I can think of would be to convert a 5.7x28 pistol, but I wonder if there would be a thick enough barrel without modifying the slide... :-/
Shame, all that cheap cheap ammo.
Quote from: ducatiz on March 20, 2011, 04:37:21 PM
No 52. I have a CZ85 one of the old models.
The only Tok I have is an AR upper on order.
I guess I thought you had one based on that.
Nope. I borrowed one at a range. Very unpleasant to shoot.
Do you (or he) have a NRA condition rating on the Python. I guess by your immaculate claim it's ANIB? So, call it 98% or better? I also assume it's a blue, 6" barrel. How long ago did he buy it and is he the only owner?
An actual pic and and number of rounds fired down the barrel would be helpful.
Finally shot a (.44) desert eagle today.
Thing is gigantic.
Surprisingly light recoil, though. The gas system, and the million billion pounds of weight really soak up the kick.
The Desert Beagles I have shot have been very pleasant on the recoil and extremely accurate for a large caliber handgun, they just need to have wheels on them. They are incredibly unergonomic (if thats a word) and are extremely difficult to shoot well offhand.
I have a couple Thompson Center Contenders that are the same way. Very accurate but difficult to shoot well in field conditions. Excellent off a rest though. I turned one of them into a carbine in 218 Bee - my Wifes favorite praire poodle asassinator.
I can agree with the ergonomics complaint. The grip made it feel a bit like I was trying to hang onto a 2x4.
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Great wheelguns for sure! [thumbsup]
(http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd110/grumpylawyer/gun.jpg?t=1301086837)
1st time post-shoulder surgery.
15 yards. one magazine (7 rds). about 4 inches. at 7 yards I got a few groups touching. at 25...well...I'm getting older... but the paper died regardless.
Quote from: Statler on March 25, 2011, 02:07:49 PM
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1st time post-shoulder surgery.
15 yards. one magazine (7 rds). about 4 inches. at 7 yards I got a few groups touching. at 25...well...I'm getting older... but the paper died regardless.
this belongs in the gun pics thread.. [roll]
[thumbsup]
Quote from: ducatiz on March 25, 2011, 02:11:23 PM
this belongs in the gun pics thread.. [roll]
[thumbsup]
my bad. ;D think Nate will mind if there are 2 gun threads at the top of NMC?
Going to a local indoor range tomorrow. Wife wants to play with revolvers, I want to play with semi-autos. She really liked firing the Ruger Security Six with .38 rounds in it. I want a decently concealable 9mm or similar power semi. I'm hoping the range has a Glock, Sig, H&K, and Beretta in 9mm.
Anything else I should check on renting to fire with?
JM
Quote from: the_Journeyman on March 25, 2011, 04:49:58 PM
Anything else I should check on renting to fire with?
JM
S&W M&P 9
Added to list.
I have no idea what they have to rent, but if they do, I'll try it.
JM
Quote from: the_Journeyman on March 25, 2011, 04:49:58 PM
Going to a local indoor range tomorrow. Wife wants to play with revolvers, I want to play with semi-autos. She really liked firing the Ruger Security Six with .38 rounds in it. I want a decently concealable 9mm or similar power semi. I'm hoping the range has a Glock, Sig, H&K, and Beretta in 9mm.
Anything else I should check on renting to fire with?
JM
i lovvvvvvvvvve my glock 26 because it's small & light & i have tiny hands.. & my ex loves his sig & beretta & prefers them to my glock, but would use my glock for conceal carry because of the size... all good choices though i think :)
Quote from: the_Journeyman on March 25, 2011, 04:49:58 PM
Going to a local indoor range tomorrow. Wife wants to play with revolvers, I want to play with semi-autos. She really liked firing the Ruger Security Six with .38 rounds in it. I want a decently concealable 9mm or similar power semi. I'm hoping the range has a Glock, Sig, H&K, and Beretta in 9mm.
Anything else I should check on renting to fire with?
JM
kahr pm9 is my next.
Ruger sr9c
Quote from: Statler on March 25, 2011, 05:03:20 PM
kahr pm9 is my next.
it's like firing a staple gun with howitzer shells. it's just too small for my taste.
i have a first gen E9 and a P9 and love them both. The older E9's like mine are stainless framed with the fancy trigger job.
I don't think you can find a better all around carry gun (except maybe the new Ruger LC9?). I am going to check out the LC9 soon, and I'm afraid of liking it.
Quote from: FUNF 21 on March 25, 2011, 04:58:40 PM
i lovvvvvvvvvve my glock 26 because it's small & light & i have tiny hands.. & my ex loves his sig & beretta & prefers them to my glock, but would use my glock for conceal carry because of the size... all good choices though i think :)
You and me both! My fav is the Glock 19 but I really like the 26 too. I'm a medium size guy with small/medium size hands and I really like the 26/27 size frame with a finger extention butt plate on the mags. Nice to conceal and packs a decent punch. Prefer the 15 rnd capacity of the 19 but hey, if it can't be done with 10 then you're screwed anyway. [bang]
I had the opportunity to handle the new Kimber Solo 9mm last weekend. I have a Kahr PM-9 and I really liked the feel of the Kimber - especially with the jillions of rounds I have fired through 1911's as the controls and angles are similar. The gun is small, slim and relatively light but felt more comfortable in the hand than the Kahr. The big advantage of the Kahr PM is its extremely small size and light weight. The most super powerful, accurate, comfortable hand cannon you own will not save you in a gunfight if you left it home 'cause it was too heavy.
The Kimber is worth looking at. I'd surely like to burn a couple hundred rounds through one to see how it runs. Not quite as small as the Kahr, but more comfortable and the price wasn't that bad (on par with the Kahr)
I've read about the new 9mm Kimber and was wondering about it. Nice to hear good things about it. Not that I need one but other folks might. [thumbsup]
I saw an ad for the new Kimber. I am glad they are trying something other than the 1911 platform.
It seems there are a bunch of sub-compact 9mms out lately:
Ruger LC9
Kimber Solo
Diamondback DB9
The Kahr PM9 is really a "micro" compact now as these guns fit the space between the current single-stack 9mm guns and the super compact size of the PM9 type.
Not to mention the original, the KelTec PF9, which I still think wins on price alone.
Does anyone here subscribe to GunTests? I hope they do a round-up of all these sub-mid-compacts sometime soon.
All these micro 9mms are putting the hurt on my mouse gun .380s and .32s! ;D Between those and the Glock 26 I'm more than covered. [thumbsup] Still, nice they are out there for those that may need/want them.
Quote from: fastwin on March 25, 2011, 08:06:41 PM
All these micro 9mms are putting the hurt on my mouse gun .380s and .32s! ;D Between those and the Glock 26 I'm more than covered. [thumbsup] Still, nice they are out there for those that may need/want them.
I carried the Keltec P32 for a long time, when the P3AT came out, got one of those.
I've never liked anything less than 9mm for much more than backscratching, but the .380 was sufficient with Corbon rounds. I am seriously looking at upgrading to one of those 9mm compacts though.
I have a Kahr P9, but it is substantially bigger than the P3AT whereas the PF9 or the new Ruger LC9 is just a tiny bit longer and only a mm or so wider.
It's absurd that such metrics even matter, but I change what I am carrying depending on where I am going and what I'm wearing.
Quote from: ducatiz on March 25, 2011, 08:26:17 PM
I carried the Keltec P32 for a long time, when the P3AT came out, got one of those.
I've never liked anything less than 9mm for much more than backscratching, but the .380 was sufficient with Corbon rounds. I am seriously looking at upgrading to one of those 9mm compacts though.
I have a Kahr P9, but it is substantially bigger than the P3AT whereas the PF9 or the new Ruger LC9 is just a tiny bit longer and only a mm or so wider.
It's absurd that such metrics even matter, but I change what I am carrying depending on where I am going and what I'm wearing.
learn how to shoot and carry a 25 [evil]
disclaimer...joking.
carry whatever the make the beast with two backs you want.
this is America...and bigger is always better.[laugh]
i usually only carry my p229 in .40 with a mix of 185gr jhp and 155gr jhp ...
Quote from: ducpainter on March 25, 2011, 08:39:17 PM
learn how to shoot and carry a 25 [evil]
a 25? ???
Quotedisclaimer...joking.
carry whatever the make the beast with two backs you want.
this is America...and bigger is always better.[laugh]
yes and no. when it comes to caliber, having bigger is better, but the platform, one's ability to conceal it and shoot it are probably more important.
I'm fortunate.
There is no one worth shooting here.
I don't need to carry. [thumbsup]
Quote from: ducpainter on March 25, 2011, 09:03:41 PM
I'm fortunate.
There is no one worth shooting here.
I don't need to carry. [thumbsup]
not even me? ;)
what about sac? :-*
I keed, Ikeed... feelin' feisty tonight. Don't shoot (or ban) me! ;D
[bacon]
Quote from: fastwin on March 25, 2011, 06:53:59 PM
You and me both! My fav is the Glock 19 but I really like the 26 too. I'm a medium size guy with small/medium size hands and I really like the 26/27 size frame with a finger extention butt plate on the mags. Nice to conceal and packs a decent punch. Prefer the 15 rnd capacity of the 19 but hey, if it can't be done with 10 then you're screwed anyway. [bang]
i have the finger extension on the mag too. & as far as the rnd capacity, i'm in cali, i can only legally use a 10rnd capacity.. like those 5 extra rounds are going to make that much of a difference but whatevs, the law's the law :)
So, my general impressions from the range:
Glock (can't remember what number, compact 9mm) Didn't care for it. Fired fine, but didn't like how it felt in my hand. Felt kind of blocky in my hand.
Sig 226: Really liked this one. Smoother trigger, very light recoil. Too big for a conceal carry weapon, but if that is a general impression of how all Sigs fire, I may wind up with one of those.
Didn't get to fire, but liked the feel of (new guns in the showcases:
Kahr P9 - Nice and thin, fit my hand very well.
H&K P30 - Great fill, a bit big for concealed carry though.
JM
Quote from: the_Journeyman on March 26, 2011, 01:15:01 PM
So, my general impressions from the range:
Glock (can't remember what number, compact 9mm) Didn't care for it. Fired fine, but didn't like how it felt in my hand. Felt kind of blocky in my hand.
Sig 226: Really liked this one. Smoother trigger, very light recoil. Too big for a conceal carry weapon, but if that is a general impression of how all Sigs fire, I may wind up with one of those.
Didn't get to fire, but liked the feel of (new guns in the showcases:
Kahr P9 - Nice and thin, fit my hand very well.
H&K P30 - Great fill, a bit big for concealed carry though.
JM
All of the standard model SIGs are basically identical except for some dimensions and weight -- i.e. 9mm/40sw vs 45.
I'm surprised you liked the Kahr because I've thought it was a learned taste. I love the Kahrs but it took me a few months before I was really comfortable -- ah, but you didn't fire it. The weight is deceptive...
Tell me more about the Kahr, it felt really nice in my hand. What did you mean about the weight? Muzzle flip from being lighter?
JM
I hated the p40. too uncomfortable to shoot which means I wouldn't use it often enough.
The 9 was fine. Sure it's a tiny little thing but that's the point. It's not something I'd shoot a few hundred rounds through at the range for fun like the 1911, but 100 through a friend's felt ok. 50 for a quick range trip would be fine.
The 40 jumped like mad. The 9 snapped but was ok for me.
Quote from: the_Journeyman on March 26, 2011, 02:03:12 PM
Tell me more about the Kahr, it felt really nice in my hand. What did you mean about the weight? Muzzle flip from being lighter?
JM
what he said.
it takes some practice because it's a very light gun. most people are going to limpwrist the P40 and many will the P9. what was the clint eastwood film where he had the girl doing wrist exercises?
it's a very light gun and unless you practice and get good wrist control, you will have a hard time being accurate with it, plus limpwristing it will cause stovepipes.
other than that, it is an A+ gun and I highly recommend Kahrs.
You should check out the Ruger LC9, Kimber SOLO, and the other new compact 9s that have just come out lately. Gun makers have a habit of "borrowing and improving" designs on each other and I like the LC9's slide profile -- rounded and tapered rather than square (like a Kahr or Glock) which makes it easier to draw from inside your clothes.
Just got back from the range. Rented an MP-5, and a Kriss Super V.
The MP-5 was a real hoot. Extremely controllable if you kept your bursts short, and I felt quite at home with it.
The Kriss was alright, but felt a bit awkward and the 13 round magazine meant that while the good times rolled, they didn't do so for terribly long.
So if anybody out there needs another idea of how to both have a blast and lighten your wallet substantially, consider the above. I am talking to Ducati people, after all. [laugh]
Just sayin'. 100 years and still the gold standard. Good job J.M. Browning. [bow_down]
Quote from: zarn02 on March 28, 2011, 02:42:37 PM
Just got back from the range. Rented an MP-5, and a Kriss Super V.
The MP-5 was a real hoot. Extremely controllable if you kept your bursts short, and I felt quite at home with it.
The Kriss was alright, but felt a bit awkward and the 13 round magazine meant that while the good times rolled, they didn't do so for terribly long.
So if anybody out there needs another idea of how to both have a blast and lighten your wallet substantially, consider the above. I am talking to Ducati people, after all. [laugh]
I've had my MP5 since 1989 and it has never burped, jammed or bobbled in any way! It runs better than my Honda lawnmower! [laugh] And it's the only investment I have ever made that actually has increased in value!!! [thumbsup] [clap]
And yes, happy 100th anniversary to the 1911. [beer] [drink] [bow_down] I really need to go to the range today and pop a few rounds in celebration. It's an important day for sure. Next one for me is in 2035 for the Hi-Power... if I make it that long. :P
Just posted a red dot in the classifieds...
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=47773.0 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=47773.0)
Sorry. Wish it was an Aimpoint or a Trijicon Reflex II. [bang]
Jeeez, you stop paying attention to this thread for a week or two and you whipper snappers just take things in a different direction.
Anyone thinking about a Kahr vs a Glock/M&P/Sig should fire one first. Motorcycles are one thing. You can always buy new pegs/bars/saddles/tanks/etc, but a gun is extraordinarily limited in its customization (I know there's a lot to be done with guns, but we're talking by comparison). Having mediumish hands for a guy my size, the Kahr FELT fantastic, but shot terribly. The recoil wasn't necessarily more or less than any other subcompact 9, but the trigger pull was enough to put me off. First shot out of the Kahr:
Squeeze....
Squeeze........
Squeeze...........
*is this make the beast with two backser going to fire?*
Squeeze................
Sque- BANG
I understand the concept of a surprise trigger break, but that thing is just weird. If you can get over the trigger, it's a pretty good rig.
As much as I like shooting a 26, it just felt (as someone already said) like a big turd in my hands, not to mention it doesn't conceal well. I know several people who carry Glocks regularly, but they still seem way too fat for my tastes.
A buddy's Sig p228 (229? Their 4" 9mm rig) once and it was by far the smoothest shooting pistol I've ever shot. Impressive save the fact that it actually felt fatter than the glock. They are, however, coming out with the P290 which I am exceedingly excited about. I don't think I'll buy it any time soon (pricing looks to be $700ish) but it should be a pretty rad piece, nonetheless.
Ah... a Glock 26 doesn't conceal well? Really? Hmmm... really, a big turd in your hands. I'd love to know what that 26 thought of you shooting it. ;D
Lol
My first Glock was a 27. The gun shot well, was reliable but I wasn't comfortable with it and trying to carry it in an inside-the-pants holster was uncomfortable to me. It went down the road. Just couldn't love it.
If you are looking for a fun to shoot 9mm, the Kahr is certainly not it. BUT! It is one of the slimmest, lightest, easiest to carry and conceal 9mms out there. Everything is a trade off. Gunfighting Rule #1 - Have a gun! Your 40+ oz super 1911 combat pistol may shoot like a dream and work wonderfully but if you leave it home because you can't carry it comfortably or conceal it with what you are wearing, it won't do you a darn bit of good. That is where the Kahr shines. Its super lignt, super slim and its odd trigger, while off-putting to start with can be managed. One of the reasons the trigger performs as it does is to reduce the likelihood of an accidental discharge under stress. Accidentally putting a hole in someone you are holding at gunpoint because you are carrying your 2.5lb match trigger 1911 lands you in jail. I've had a couple accidental discharges during the stress of an IPSC match and have seen many more with 1911's - enough to make me switch my carry guns to Glocks and Kahrs and the odd CZ-75 or two, J&K frame Smiths and admittedly a 1911 45 Colt Defender with a heavier trigger
All joking around aside, we are all incredibly lucky to have so many flavors and sizes of handguns to choose from. Every year there are more and more. So much better than fewer and fewer. [thumbsup] Don't like the Glock 26/27? Big deal. Who cares if Glock takes you off their Christmas card list and stops returning your calls? Everyone has the same firearm goal in life... find a gun you like, that feels good in your hand, that you can shoot well, that is concealable (if that matters to you) and that you can afford to shoot. Heck, some folks buy a firearm just because of the way it looks! In fact those same people buy motorcycles and marry people for the same reasons!! [laugh]
I'm just thankful we have so many rifles and handguns to choose from. There are dozens out there for every taste imaginable. [thumbsup] More goodness. ;D [popcorn]
Just cause I'm opinionated on firearms does not mean that I haven't bought or swapped for way more guns than I can even remember. I tried to love them all and have refined it down to what works for me through one heck of a lot of practice, competition, testing, carrying, hunting and fun blasting. With a very few exceptions - they are all fun.
Fastwin is right - its just like motorcycles, significant others, cars, computers, stereo equipment, knives etc, etc. Its great that there is such a variety to mess around with.
Quote from: WarrenJ on April 04, 2011, 06:51:18 AM
My first Glock was a 27. The gun shot well, was reliable but I wasn't comfortable with it and trying to carry it in an inside-the-pants holster was uncomfortable to me. It went down the road. Just couldn't love it.
If you are looking for a fun to shoot 9mm, the Kahr is certainly not it. BUT! It is one of the slimmest, lightest, easiest to carry and conceal 9mms out there.
It's an interesting comment, I have a Kahr E9 and a P9 and love shooting both of them. The E9 is easier as it's a steel frame but for carry, nothing beats the P9 for me, although I am looking at the new LC9 from Ruger...
Take a look at the Kimber Solo 9 also. I handled one a couple of weeks ago and if it shoots as good as it feels, it is a contender in the category of slim, light 9mm's. The Kahrs we have are the PM-9's. Its tough to beat for a drop in the pocket gun. Its a little mite of a gun but with practice, its a pretty solid performer.
PM9? No wonder you don't like shooting it!
It's not as fun to shoot as my CZ-75 or my wife's Clark Custom 9mm Commander but I get a great deal of satisfaction of burning a jagged hole in the "B" zone of an IPSC target with it at 7 yards. Little guns can be nearly as accurate as big ones, they just take a different level of committment to getting proficient.
Quote from: ducatiz on April 04, 2011, 09:27:13 AM
It's an interesting comment, I have a Kahr E9 and a P9 and love shooting both of them. The E9 is easier as it's a steel frame but for carry, nothing beats the P9 for me, although I am looking at the new LC9 from Ruger...
I ran across this and remembered you were looking at them. . .
Ruger LC9 (Close Up) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_xNxUMHnj4&feature=relmfu#normal)
hickok45 is the only youtube user I subscribe to. He shoots and reviews TONS of firearms. TONS. I don't know all the background on him but from what I gather he has a bunch of land in the south and a small 80-100 yard range to play at. Firearm manufacturers have sent him guns to review so not all the weapons he's shooting are his.
Ruger LC9 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeLxP6Kywzk#normal)
Home channel-
http://www.youtube.com/user/hickok45#p/u (http://www.youtube.com/user/hickok45#p/u)
Some good info/history on the 1911
He has a "gong" out at 80 yards and (I believe it's this vid) he takes shots at it and you can actually see the bullet fly downrange and drop down and hit it.
1911 Anniversary (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX1F_0B41vA#normal)
I like the cigar ammo box! Nothing looks better than a bunch of .45acp in a Romeo & Julieta box. [thumbsup] Two of my favs, .45s and R&J #2s. ;D
Quote from: Monsterlover on April 10, 2011, 08:40:50 AM
I ran across this and remembered you were looking at them. . .
If I was George Kellgren, I would be PISSED.
It is hard NOT to see how much the Ruger guns (LCP and LC9) "borrow" from the Kel-Tec P3AT. I mean, even down to the slide shape, hammer style and how the 2-part frame is constructed.
Butg I have to say, it looks like Ruger did a one-up on them. THey are much better finished.
Just got a 19, but live in the great state of CA so only a 10rd mag. Now looking for a shotgun to shoot slugs and bird/buck. 26" 870 express or something.
Quote from: ducatiz on April 10, 2011, 09:55:54 AM
If I was George Kellgren, I would be PISSED.
It is hard NOT to see how much the Ruger guns (LCP and LC9) "borrow" from the Kel-Tec P3AT. I mean, even down to the slide shape, hammer style and how the 2-part frame is constructed.
Butg I have to say, it looks like Ruger did a one-up on them. THey are much better finished.
You are exactly right about the Ruger one-uping Kel Tec in regards to the finished product. I have a P3AT and my Dad has the LCP. No comparison in finish quality. I don't really think Kel Tec really cares too much about how the finished product looks, as long as they work. Both guns function flawlessly. Kel Tec is a little cheaper.
Quote from: psycledelic on April 13, 2011, 10:11:47 PM
You are exactly right about the Ruger one-uping Kel Tec in regards to the finished product. I have a P3AT and my Dad has the LCP. No comparison in finish quality. I don't really think Kel Tec really cares too much about how the finished product looks, as long as they work. Both guns function flawlessly. Kel Tec is a little cheaper.
I have both and they run like Swiss watches. They are guns that I couldn't care what they hell they looked like. I just want them to always work. [thumbsup] It's not like I was expecting a Colt Python finish on either one. They're tools.
Scotzman, you can never go wrong with a 870. Never. Or for that matter a G-19. My favorite Glock and shotgun. [thumbsup] Screw the Cali law. I'll send you a 15 rnder! [laugh] Better judged by 12 than carried by 6. ;D
Anyone here an expert in valuing historic firearms? I have a WWII peice I'd like to insure but I don't have a contact who can give me an educated opinion. All I'm looking for is a rough +/- 25% value. As I live in Canada I'd rather provide the details over PM as to not bring any additional attention to myself and my firearms, I do have the approprite licenses to possess and purchase but still a knock at the door to see my gun safe is a PITA.
[beer]
Mike
Quote from: Ontario_Monster on April 15, 2011, 06:18:50 AM
Anyone here an expert in valuing historic firearms? I have a WWII peice I'd like to insure but I don't have a contact who can give me an educated opinion. All I'm looking for is a rough +/- 25% value. As I live in Canada I'd rather provide the details over PM as to not bring any additional attention to myself and my firearms, I do have the approprite licenses to possess and purchase but still a knock at the door to see my gun safe is a PITA.
[beer]
Mike
Because the market in firearms is limited to borders, anyone with a US valuation would be worthless to you. There are several guides on firearm values (i.e. GunDigest and the Blue Book) but I don't think they offer any clue as to the value in the Canadian market.
For example, in the US, Norinco guns were banned from import due to Norinco's ownership by the PLA. Values for Norinco rifles have gone up significantly as they are fairly good quality. However, if I look on Marstar's website, you Kanucks can still buy Norinco pistols and rifles for CHEEEEAP.
Good point. Try to find someone in your area. If there is anyone. :P I assume you have checked your local gunshops... right?
Quote from: fastwin on April 14, 2011, 07:19:47 AM
I have both and they run like Swiss watches. They are guns that I couldn't care what they hell they looked like. I just want them to always work. [thumbsup] It's not like I was expecting a Colt Python finish on either one. They're tools.
You have both? Makes sense. I would love to see the robber's eyes as you throw down on him,two fisted from your front pockets.
Have you ever tried shooting two 1911's ala Bruce Willis Last Man Standing? It looks pretty easy with blanks but wow do you have a tiger by the tail shooting full house 45 ACP. It sets you right back on your heels. Fun though! Sounds and looks real cool but hitting anything except the ground is a difficulty.
Quote from: WarrenJ on April 16, 2011, 06:28:49 AM
Have you ever tried shooting two 1911's ala Bruce Willis Last Man Standing? It looks pretty easy with blanks but wow do you have a tiger by the tail shooting full house 45 ACP. It sets you right back on your heels. Fun though! Sounds and looks real cool but hitting anything except the ground is a difficulty.
Not with .45's, but I have had the pleasure of hard charging a silhouette with my Glock 10mm in one hand 9mm in the other. It was a sparse volley of fire in which only a few mistakenly found the target. Unfortunately, I just couldn't produce the goods when it came to tackling the silhouette and stabbing it with my Spiderco. It is a long story, but the point of it is, if a couple of guys you barely know from work invite you go shot at their "buddy's" house, beware, you may be unintentionally auditioning for an up and coming wannabe militia. Luckily, they weren't impressed.
To quote Bill Jordan "Speeds fine but accuracy is final"
+1! [thumbsup] Or "you can't miss fast enough to win". ;D
Top Ten Reasons Why Men Prefer Guns Over Women
#10 - You can trade an old 44 for a new 22.
#9 - You can keep one gun at home and have another for when you're on the road.
#8 - If you admire a friend's gun and tell him so, he will probably let you try it out a few times.
#7 - Your primary gun doesn't mind if you keep another gun for a backup.
#6 - Your gun will stay with you even if you run out of ammo.
#5 - A gun doesn't take up a lot of closet space.
#4 - Guns function normally every day of the month.
#3 - A gun doesn't ask , "Do these new grips make me look fat?"
#2 - A gun doesn't mind if you go to sleep after you use it.
And the Number One reason
Why Men Prefer Guns over women.....
#1 - You can buy a silencer for a gun
[laugh]
Quote from: r_ciao on April 22, 2011, 09:49:47 AM
Top Ten Reasons Why Men Prefer Guns Over Women
#10 - You can trade an old 44 for a new 22.
#9 - You can keep one gun at home and have another for when you're on the road.
#8 - If you admire a friend's gun and tell him so, he will probably let you try it out a few times.
#7 - Your primary gun doesn't mind if you keep another gun for a backup.
#6 - Your gun will stay with you even if you run out of ammo.
#5 - A gun doesn't take up a lot of closet space.
#4 - Guns function normally every day of the month.
#3 - A gun doesn't ask , "Do these new grips make me look fat?"
#2 - A gun doesn't mind if you go to sleep after you use it.
And the Number One reason
Why Men Prefer Guns over women.....
#1 - You can buy a silencer for a gun
you double poster you...
it isn't
that good... ;D
Humor is in the eye of the beholder.
:-)
I thought it was funny. [thumbsup] But I don't think I'll be showing it to the wifely unit. ;)
Quote from: fastwin on April 23, 2011, 09:25:58 AM
I thought it was funny. [thumbsup] But I don't think I'll be showing it to the wifely unit. ;)
I just read it to my wife. [evil]
You are obviously a thrill seeker who likes living a dangerous life style. [laugh]
Just showed it to mine as well :)
Quote from: fastwin on April 23, 2011, 06:44:10 PM
You are obviously a thrill seeker who likes living a dangerous life style. [laugh]
I also use expired condoms...just ask my kids.
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
If things go according to plan, I'll be getting to know this gun pretty well:
(http://www.eransworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/glock231.jpg)
and some range time with this one:
(http://www.justguns.com/images/stories/Sub-Machine-Guns/24-Heckler%20&%20Koch%20MP5A3-1.jpg)
Quote from: Monster Dave on May 11, 2011, 09:10:25 AM
and some range time with this one:
(http://www.justguns.com/images/stories/Sub-Machine-Guns/24-Heckler%20&%20Koch%20MP5A3-1.jpg)
Shooting an MP-5 is all sorts of good times. [thumbsup]
I'm looking forward to it!! [evil]
It's ok for the first few magazines.. if you're loading them that is..
After that, your thumbs start to hurt..!
Is there a speed loader for it?
Quote from: Monster Dave on May 11, 2011, 04:29:50 PM
Is there a speed loader for it?
I'm a walking speed loader. Thumbs like steel. [thumbsup]
Wish my old MP5 had the 3 shot lower. Still one of the most reliable firearms I have ever owned. Since 1989 it has consumed untold thousands of rounds from every known maker of 9mm... Norinco, S&B, Rem, Win, Fiocchi, etc. without a single burp or hiccup. Wish everything else I owned was as fool proof and reliable.
G-23s and 19s are my favorite Glocks. [thumbsup]
Quote from: Monster Dave on May 11, 2011, 04:29:50 PM
Is there a speed loader for it?
there are generic 9mm speedloaders which work fine. it's not a big deal,really.. :-)
Quote from: Monster Dave on May 11, 2011, 09:10:25 AM
If things go according to plan, I'll be getting to know this gun pretty well:
(http://www.eransworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/glock231.jpg)
and some range time with this one:
(http://www.justguns.com/images/stories/Sub-Machine-Guns/24-Heckler%20&%20Koch%20MP5A3-1.jpg)
Do you own these guns?
Lets just say that if all things go according to plan I will.
Quote from: Monster Dave on May 12, 2011, 06:06:51 AM
Lets just say that if all things go according to plan I will.
Hooray for paperwork!
or
Hooray for visiting the sketchy Russian on the docks!
Quote from: Monster Dave on May 11, 2011, 09:10:25 AM
If things go according to plan, I'll be getting to know this gun pretty well:
(http://www.eransworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/glock231.jpg)
and some range time with this one:
(http://www.justguns.com/images/stories/Sub-Machine-Guns/24-Heckler%20&%20Koch%20MP5A3-1.jpg)
those two got married and had this:
(http://images.wikia.com/armyoftwo/images/a/a8/800px-Glock18c_01-1-.jpg)
Quote from: zarn02 on May 12, 2011, 10:29:00 AM
Hooray for paperwork!
or
Hooray for visiting the sketchy Russian on the docks!
[laugh]
Quote from: ducatiz on May 12, 2011, 10:41:00 AM
those two got married and had this:
(http://images.wikia.com/armyoftwo/images/a/a8/800px-Glock18c_01-1-.jpg)
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] Good one!! [thumbsup]
Quote from: Monster Dave on May 12, 2011, 06:06:51 AM
Lets just say that if all things go according to plan I will.
This is one instance where even with pics it hasn't happened.
Quote from: ducpainter on May 12, 2011, 06:38:14 PM
This is one instance where even with pics it hasn't happened.
Well, for now, we'll have to just leave it at that.
Good enough! [thumbsup]
Quote from: fastwin on May 12, 2011, 02:45:44 PM
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] Good one!! [thumbsup]
Fastwin : What is that doohickey on the slide that looks like a decock?
Thats the switch that increases your ammo consumption and decreases your hits. I've never fired an 18 but I've seen them shot. They actually worked pretty well compared to most full auto (3 shot burst) pistols I've shot or seen.
Yeppers, he's right. I've shot one and as fun as it was I'd take my old MP5 any day over the G-18. It's the selector switch that turns the G-18 into full auto. That's one hard gun to control in full auto. Maybe it's just me but I've had the same problems with .380 cal Mac-10s. The rate of fire was off the charts!! Look up buzz gun in the dictionary and there was a pic of the Mac!! [bang] ;D
OK back to gun pics. The rest of this can go to the gun stuff thread. ;D
Glock 18 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsXMb0GtS44#normal)
Beretta M93R (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7X5NQGUcCeg&feature=related#normal)
The grip fasteners are loose on the Beretta
I want..
Holy Crap, 15 rounds per second is crazy. +1 Want.
the porn music and the closeup-slomo of the slide at :17 in the beretta video was very thrilling
Quote from: rgramjet on May 14, 2011, 09:24:08 AM
Holy Crap, 15 rounds per second is crazy. +1 Want.
Pick up one of these:
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/randomstuff/th_DSCF1181.jpg) (http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/randomstuff/DSCF1181.jpg)
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/randomstuff/th_DSCF1183.jpg) (http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/randomstuff/DSCF1183.jpg)
Oh, that's right. You can't.... :-)
Quote from: Statler on June 26, 2010, 12:36:55 PM
as this thread gets off the ground, please remember, everyone, that gun politics talk will get it locked or removed. Have fun...
Great thread!
I'm a military guy and run a website about firearms and all kinds of other related stuff with a buddy of mine. No threads get locked unless someone starts to be an asshole. We've got a bunch of good regular members on there. If you're a firearm nut like me then you may get some use out of the place. I'm "acclude" on the site. Maybe I'll see a few of you on there -
http://www.weaponscache.com (http://www.weaponscache.com)
Quote from: accludetuner on May 14, 2011, 10:57:35 AM
Great thread!
I'm a military guy and run a website about firearms and all kinds of other related stuff with a buddy of mine. No threads get locked unless someone starts to be an asshole. We've got a bunch of good regular members on there. If you're a firearm nut like me then you may get some use out of the place. I'm "acclude" on the site. Maybe I'll see a few of you on there -
http://www.weaponscache.com (http://www.weaponscache.com)
Got tired of the noise at falfiles.com? :-)
Quote from: Jacob on May 13, 2011, 09:10:04 PM
The grip fasteners are loose on the Beretta
that's crazy. you can clearly see the screw head turn at :57-1:00 !!!
The only fully auto Glocks I've seen were converted by IMI for diplomatic detail. They had a rear selector switch like the image I posted above, but also had a foregrip and a skeleton butt that could be snapped on and off quickly.
Slap a Trijicon Reflex on that rail! Can't go wrong with those. Sweet little red dot sight and no batteries! [thumbsup] I've had some on AR platfroms for years with zero trouble. And I mean ZERO!! Pun intended. Also an Aimpoint fan. [thumbsup]
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Hey guys, I have a Para 1911 hi cap and would like a wheel gun for my next purchase.
What's your take on Taurus revolvers. I'm looking at the Tracker 627 4 inch model....but...the judge looks pretty cool with its .410.
bump
I got my first gun today (issued to me in Afghanistan)! Sig P229 9mm. Too bad I live in DC, I could see myself becoming a gun guy.
Quote from: bulldogs2k on May 25, 2011, 09:16:57 PM
Hey guys, I have a Para 1911 hi cap and would like a wheel gun for my next purchase.
What's your take on Taurus revolvers. I'm looking at the Tracker 627 4 inch model....but...the judge looks pretty cool with its .410.
I have an original stainless Tracker in .357 and love it. I'd love the .41 as well, but it is kind of a niche round and more expensive to shoot.
Check out the version in Titanium as well, it will blow your mind how light it is. They created a special grip for the tracker which is my most favorite grip on a revolver, I wish I could put it on all my guns.
Personally, I think the Judge and other .410 revolvers are novelty guns. You will enjoy shooting it at the range now and then, but I bet it will sit in your drawer.
After 20 years of shooting, I mainly stick to 22 and 9mm in pistols.
Quote from: ducatiz on May 26, 2011, 06:28:16 AM
I have an original stainless Tracker in .357 and love it. I'd love the .41 as well, but it is kind of a niche round and more expensive to shoot.
Check out the version in Titanium as well, it will blow your mind how light it is. They created a special grip for the tracker which is my most favorite grip on a revolver, I wish I could put it on all my guns.
Personally, I think the Judge and other .410 revolvers are novelty guns. You will enjoy shooting it at the range now and then, but I bet it will sit in your drawer.
After 20 years of shooting, I mainly stick to 22 and 9mm in pistols.
Oh man, I will check the Ti version out. I remember browsing through all the revolvers and saw the tracker, it immediately captured my "have to have it" after seeing the barrel shroud. It reminds me of Hell boys revolver or something. Plus, .38 rounds seem to be cheap as hell.
Speaking of novelty guns, do you have any single action guns? I'm a big western movie fan and love the way they look.
the only sa revolver i have is a Pietro black powder in .44. i like shooting black powder stuff, but don't do it often enough.
i assume you meant revolver. the 1911 is a single action gun.
Quote from: Dragsterhund on May 26, 2011, 05:45:43 AM
I got my first gun today (issued to me in Afghanistan)! Sig P229 9mm. Too bad I live in DC, I could see myself becoming a gun guy.
In case you didn't hear, you can get and keep one inside the district now. Just have to wait until someone gets set up with their FFL.
Quote from: Dragsterhund on May 26, 2011, 05:45:43 AM
I got my first gun today (issued to me in Afghanistan)! Sig P229 9mm. Too bad I live in DC, I could see myself becoming a gun guy.
You're lucky! Who are you with?
The sig P226/229 are excellent sidearms. They are the most reliable and solid built sidearms available. More so than the famed glock.
What model? If it's an E2 you are a lucky man. If not, you must have big hands, cause those suckers have fat grips.
Quote from: ducatiz on May 26, 2011, 07:58:32 AM
the only sa revolver i have is a Pietro black powder in .44. i like shooting black powder stuff, but don't do it often enough.
i assume you meant revolver. the 1911 is a single action gun.
haha yes, i meant revolver. I dont why, but something about wheel guns that gets to me. It's elegant, kind of like a sword...If that makes sense.
Your daily dose of gun porn:
(http://www.patrickscomputer.com/images/weapons/DSC01036.JPG)
You're welcome ;)
Quote from: accludetuner on May 27, 2011, 09:47:10 AM
Your daily dose of gun porn:
(http://www.patrickscomputer.com/images/weapons/DSC01036.JPG)
You're welcome ;)
You're doing it wrong.
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=25903.0 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=25903.0)
Quote from: accludetuner on May 27, 2011, 09:47:10 AM
Your daily dose of gun porn:
(http://www.patrickscomputer.com/images/weapons/DSC01036.JPG)
You're welcome ;)
That is VERY VERY eerily similar to what I own.
Quote from: Rameses on May 27, 2011, 08:14:35 PM
That is VERY VERY eerily similar to what I own.
don't feel special now...
do ya? ;D
lol
It's a good variety. It's actually my friend's collection (which has grown since that pic), but it's basically what I go out and shoot with whenever I make the trip down to VA.
I love it on the TV news when they report a big bust at a drug house, etc. and speak of the "arsenal of weapons" found by police and they show a table with maybe half as many guns as in accludetuner's pic! That's usually about the time my wife turns to me and says "if that's an arsenal then what the hell do you have?" [laugh]
Quote from: fastwin on May 28, 2011, 07:56:13 AM
I love it on the TV news when they report a big bust at a drug house, etc. and speak of the "arsenal of weapons" found by police and they show a table with maybe half as many guns as in accludetuner's pic! That's usually about the time my wife turns to me and says "if that's an arsenal then what the hell do you have?" [laugh]
I get the exact same comment! Can't buy any more guns because the safe is full! Probably a good thing......
Quote from: rgramjet on May 28, 2011, 01:45:23 PM
Can't buy any more guns because the safe is full! Probably a good thing......
HERESY!!!!
Quote from: ducpainter on May 27, 2011, 08:17:54 PM
don't feel special now...
do ya? ;D
Back when I was in school I was in the "special" class.
Does that count for anything?
Quote from: DRKWNG on May 28, 2011, 02:27:03 PM
HERESY!!!!
Wished I could have that many guns !!!
legally
Quote from: rgramjet on May 28, 2011, 01:45:23 PM
I get the exact same comment! Can't buy any more guns because the safe is full! Probably a good thing......
Damn dude, get another safe!! [bang] [laugh]
Quote from: fastwin on May 30, 2011, 05:06:53 PM
Damn dude, get another safe!! [bang] [laugh]
One of these days.....
Well, you know what they say about "How many guns is the right amount?"
"Just one more."
Raven Concealment [thumbsup] or [thumbsdown]
Anyone use their Phantom LC holstering system? Seems like a cool setup. Modular system with the add-ons & attachments at a reasonable price. I ordered one, but they have a 16 to 18 week production time. So, either they are really busy, or really slow. Either way, just curious if there were any opinions.
Seems promising, but being a left handed shooter looking for a holster that will accomidate my 10mm Glock with extended barrel and laser/light, I have stopped being too picky.
www.ravenconcealmentsystems.com (//http://)
(http://oi56.tinypic.com/2lasrkn.jpg)
I've got one of their rigs for my 5" .45, with light. Really impressed with it and it actually does a pretty good job at hiding the gun, which is no easy feat considering the size of a Gov model.
I have heard nightmares about the wait time. I got mine before all the Magpul fanboys jumped on the bandwagon though, so it only took about three weeks. Regardless, nice piece of kit.
Quote from: DRKWNG on June 06, 2011, 03:24:47 AM
I've got one of their rigs for my 5" .45, with light. Really impressed with it and it actually does a pretty good job at hiding the gun, which is no easy feat considering the size of a Gov model.
I have heard nightmares about the wait time. I got mine before all the Magpul fanboys jumped on the bandwagon though, so it only took about three weeks. Regardless, nice piece of kit.
Cool, that is good to hear. Is there any gun retention with the light not attached? I figure there isn't.
Magpul endorsement had to be good for business. Just bad for my delivery time.
Quote from: psycledelic on June 06, 2011, 03:51:04 AM
Is there any gun retention with the light not attached?
Can't really say, as the light is always on the gun.
So today I played hookie. Shot a couple rounds of trap then did some long distance (200 meters) shooting with my M4. Took a little while to dial in the eotech. Was happy to consistently ding a 6" steel disc.
Then I saw something move towards the target.
Looked through a scope and couldn't believe my eyes. 4 coyote pups walked out and started playing directly under the target.....as in within 2' of the plate!
The adhesive gave out on my shoot n see and it fell off the steel. The little make the beast with two backsers started playing tug of war and shredded the sticker!
I walked up and snapped a few pics. Too funny.
Quote from: DRKWNG on June 06, 2011, 03:54:17 AM
Can't really say, as the light is always on the gun.
[roll]
Quote from: DRKWNG on June 06, 2011, 03:54:17 AM
Can't really say, as the light is always on the gun.
Ah well, I was hoping it would hold without the light, so that I could use my 10mm at a couple of the IDPA shoots, but looking into the rulebook, my gun is illegal anyway. Guess I will keep slinging the baby Glock around.
Quote from: kopfjäger on June 13, 2011, 09:57:18 PM
[roll]
(http://serve.mysmiley.net/mad/mad0074.gif) (http://www.mysmiley.net)
You two crack me up! [laugh]
Quote from: ducatiz on May 26, 2011, 06:28:16 AM
Personally, I think the Judge and other .410 revolvers are novelty guns. You will enjoy shooting it at the range now and then, but I bet it will sit in your drawer.
Well, I sorta need something nifty to go between the .38 and .45 pistolas.
And I have a nice old .410 bolt action single shot also. Bonus, ammo that fits multiple guns! ;D
That's enough justification for me :D
12 Gauge Dragons Breath (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP4FjODPDFA&feature=relmfu#normal)
Sneaky make the beast with two backsing Russian...
That was cool... :)
I think the funniest part for me was at the very end.
As he's saying "Have a nice day" with the burning mannequin behind him, I notice over to the left, one of the hay bales was on fire too! [laugh]
I dunno, it just seemed funny to me... :D
[bacon]
I'm not digging the blue and red scattergun. :P
That dragons breath round looks painful.
JM
Screw that. Just use a real flamethrower. [laugh] It's my second favorite ultimate zombie defense tool. [thumbsup]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon%27s_Breath (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon%27s_Breath)
I was wondering about the legality of the dragons breath, seems some states don't like it.
JM
Sold my Tanfoglio Force 99R in .40S&W ... My competition gun ... now I'm left with my P229 in .40S&W
Ah, you are still in great shape. [thumbsup] Why did you dump the T gun?
Quote from: fastwin on June 27, 2011, 06:56:14 PM
Ah, you are still in great shape. [thumbsup] Why did you dump the T gun?
$$$ issues ...
Boy do I understand that. [bang]
2 yrs ago sold my XD in same caliber ... just love the .40
Have a couple of .40S&W pistols but never fully jumped on board. Granted, it's a great round between 9mm and .45ACP. But I'm happy living with those and not going knee deep in .40. Same for the .357SIG. Great rounds but I'm happy with my auto and wheel gun rounds.
Sold one of my Glock 22s to a friends grown son and he loves it. Died in the wool .40 fan. He's shot 9s and 45s but was all over the .40. More power to him. [thumbsup] And I was happy to sell him a gun he loves that I wasn't shooting much. [beer] Win win.
I'm really partial to a .357 Mag wheel gun. I'm also a decent shot with it too. I like 9mm for my semi auto use.
JM
I'm sure with a little digging that info is out there. I am only familiar with conversions to .22LR on 1911 platforms. I have no knowledge of any SIG conversions. To any other caliber. But I bet others might know. [thumbsup]
Quote from: vincheung on June 27, 2011, 08:11:37 PM
Reading about the 357 sig just reminded me about some conversion kits for the sig sauer. I have a p226 9mm, does anyone know if the .40cal or 357 sig conversion kit is available for it? I took a quick look online but only read about the kits to convert .22lr p226 to .40 and 357 sig.
YOu can't easily go
from 9mm to 40 or .357s. The case length of the .40 is too long and the .357 is just a necked-down .40 case.
40 and 357sig are the same case from the point of view of the gun. Same mags, extractor, etc. Only the barrel is different.
I have seen .40 guns that have a 9mm option but not the reverse. Easy to go down in case length, not up.
I have a Jericho 941 with barrels and magazines for both 40 and 9 but it is sold as a .40. Also came with .41AE barrels and mags, but... that caliber went pfffft
the 40 is a great round, as is the 357, but i've been a 9/45 guy forever. if you are building your collection and don't mind toting 800 lbs of ammo to the range, buy everything, but once you build a collection you start figuring out ways to economize on space and weight.. lol..
i sold off several .40 guns a while back just to cut down the redundancy.
at the end of the day, your round is like your wife. you like her and she does the job. someone else might like her, someone else might not, but the only important thing is that you like her (ladies, substitute husband... or S/O..whatever..)
Quote from: vincheung on June 27, 2011, 08:11:37 PM
Reading about the 357 sig just reminded me about some conversion kits for the sig sauer. I have a p226 9mm, does anyone know if the .40cal or 357 sig conversion kit is available for it? I took a quick look online but only read about the kits to convert .22lr p226 to .40 and 357 sig.
Check out the Sig 250. Same trigger group, interchangeable barrels, frames.
I second ducatiz comments about dumbing things down caliber-wise over time. I too am a 9/45 guy and the usual revolver rounds... .38/.357, .45 Long Colt. And of course a shit load of .22s. [thumbsup] I just got tired of trying to keep up with all the new rounds. He's right about dragging a shitload of different ammo to the range. I sold my Glock 22s and 35s to cut back. Yeah, I still have a 10mm and a couple .40S&W pistols. The 10mm is just a fun oddball now a days and the .40s are Glock 23s for concealed carry. They match my G-19s that I love to carry.
In the grand scheme of things I still shoot my .22s (pistols and rifles) and .223 AR platforms more than anything with 9mm and .45ACP (pistols) a close second and .38 wheelguns bringing up the rear. And an occasional practice with a .380 carry gun to stay sharp.
I think eventually everyone falls back to their favorites whether it's an custom handload bench round or just the basic everyday stuff. It's all good! [thumbsup] I need to go shooting! Too damn hot to ride scooters.
I really like a good .357 revolver. Might like to have a .44 Mag just for fun.
JM
Re: laser sights and their use as a "deterrent"
I've read the argument that it's good to have a laser sight as just the look of it will make a confronter think twice.
If it were dark, how would they ever know you had one? Besides looking down to see the dot, or a red flash in their eye perhaps.
If it were me, I'd think the sound of a pump action shot gun going into battery would certainly stop me in my tracks if I were breaking and entering. Not sure I'd notice a little red dot.
Thoughts?
I'm going with the clank of a pump scattergun over a red dot. Never been a laser fan but I am sure there are plenty out there. I won't bore y'all anymore with my "I love shotguns because..." BS. [laugh]
+1 for racking a pump shotgun!
JM
Technically the thing should already have a shell in the chamber before someone comes into the house, right...
Lasers are an excellent deterrent if you keep the fog machines going...
^^
exactly
Quote from: Monsterlover on June 28, 2011, 08:57:01 AM
Re: laser sights and their use as a "deterrent"
I've read the argument that it's good to have a laser sight as just the look of it will make a confronter think twice.
If it were dark, how would they ever know you had one? Besides looking down to see the dot, or a red flash in their eye perhaps.
If it were me, I'd think the sound of a pump action shot gun going into battery would certainly stop me in my tracks if I were breaking and entering. Not sure I'd notice a little red dot.
Thoughts?
Ive seen this scenario first hand and heard similar stories
cops are ordering a guy to the ground with an array of guns pointed at him
guy is all bluster and make the beast with two backs you's
then someone gets his attention with a laser
and he becomes compliant
don't know the psychology behind it but seems to work sometimes
cops with an array of guns aren't enough of an incentive to start up the yes-sir no-sirs?
Looking at some of my 7th graders, nope. They'll just point theirs back at the cops.
JM
On another note, as I own a company now. . .
full auto stuff might be fun.
Right?
Quote from: Monsterlover on June 28, 2011, 11:17:49 AM
On another note, as I own a company now. . .
full auto stuff might be fun.
Right?
Yes. They are. ;D ML, pm me about class III stuff if you want.
Also, some folks keep their weapons (pistol/rifle/scattergun... not revolvers) with an empty chamber, loaded magazine. Obviously needing to rack a slide, work a bolt, etc to chamber a round and make ready. This is commonly known as Condition 3. Empty chamber, hammer down, full magazine. Personally, to make my wife happy (kiddos in the house and all...) I down loaded the chambers in my home defense weapons to give me that tiny bit of extra safety if, God forbid, a little one finds one of my secured weapons. They would have to first find it and then somehow operate it and chamber a round to make it dangerous. I seriously doubt a small child (or even most adults!) could find any of my secured guns but that little bit of extra security made my wife happy about the guns being around. She's not a gun or scooter person... yeah, why did she marry me?? [laugh] I have no problem cycling the weapon to make ready. I know it's condition and have trained accordingly.
Google firearms condition one, two, etc and read about it. I've bored you enough already. [roll] [coffee]
Quote from: Monsterlover on June 28, 2011, 11:17:49 AM
On another note, as I own a company now. . .
full auto stuff might be fun.
Right?
I believe owning a corp is not enough. You still need to establish an NFA firearm trust. Cost is around $400 and allows you to purchase NFA restricted firearms. Cost is $200 per NFA item and 3-6 months for the tax stamp.
Totally worth it [evil]
nope any corporation can. A "firearm trust" is just a fancy name for a single purpose Corp.
Quote from: vincheung on June 27, 2011, 08:11:37 PM
Reading about the 357 sig just reminded me about some conversion kits for the sig sauer. I have a p226 9mm, does anyone know if the .40cal or 357 sig conversion kit is available for it? I took a quick look online but only read about the kits to convert .22lr p226 to .40 and 357 sig.
If the p226 is like my p229 then no kit is needed to convert from .40 to .357 is the barrel. I have found a 9mm barrel that fits the .40 frame as sig sauer does not sell one.
Cartridge length is one issue for pistol conversion but the big issue is base diameter due to the position of the extractor and ejector. The 9mm has a smaller base than the larger cartridges, the 40 Short and Weak and the 357 Sig have the same base diameter which is why conversions are common and available as the extractor and ejector are in the same positional relationship.
As far as lasers go, take a look at "Wicked Lasers" on the net, specifically at the Arctic blue laser - it is a 1 Watt laser that nearly makes the transition from a pointer to an actual offensive tool. Burns paper, cuts film, leaves nasty welts on people at close ranges.
I used to convert my Tanfoglio to 9mm on tournaments were having the .40 would have given me a penalty ... Thus this barrel since it was 'match grade and not registered' was destroyed and the mags were sold to someone for bout $150 ... you can't purchase this type of gun accesories without a good reason to have more than the 2 allowed by law !!!
We don't discuss gun law. :-*
Quote from: ducpainter on June 28, 2011, 04:54:41 PM
We don't discuss gun law. :-*
OK ... didn't know ... plus I'm here and you're there ...
Quote from: Darkmonster620 on June 28, 2011, 04:56:34 PM
OK ... didn't know ... plus I'm here and you're there ...
You didn't know? ???
Don't make me pull this car over. ;D
Quote from: ducpainter on June 28, 2011, 05:02:27 PM
You didn't know? ???
Don't make me pull this car over. ;D
No I didn't ... let's leave it as is... no foul done ...
Especially not turkey!
JM
We don't discuss turkeys either. ;D
Quote from: fastwin on June 28, 2011, 05:24:02 PM
We don't discuss turkeys either. ;D
Unless it's November.
Dont you mean no Fowl done?
[evil]
Please refer to the no turkey discussion post. [laugh] Don't make me bring Nate in on this!! [cheeky]
Quote from: fastwin on June 28, 2011, 06:47:29 PM
Please refer to the no turkey discussion post. [laugh] Don't make me bring Nate in on this!! [cheeky]
What, the Big Turkey himself? ;D :-*
Quote from: ducatiz on June 28, 2011, 04:59:53 AM
40 and 357sig are the same case from the point of view of the gun. Same mags, extractor, etc. Only the barrel is different.
As well as the 10mm & 9x25 Dillon - as long as the gun in question is a 10mm platform.
Quote from: psycledelic on June 28, 2011, 10:51:28 PM
As well as the 10mm & 9x25 Dillon - as long as the gun in question is a 10mm platform.
To clarify, 40sw is a cut down 10mm case, but you can't use 10mm rounds in a 40sw magazine.
9x25 Dillon is so rare as not to even merit discussion.
But yes, if you were nutty enough to carry around a 10mm hog, you could pick up barrels for 9x25, 40, and 357sig and they'd all function. I wonder how the 357 would load though given the huge distance there'd be in the magazine and the breech?
Had my eye on the Colt 1911, and the HK USP.
I've shot the 1911 and I like it, but I'd have to get an extended slide stop as it's a bit awkward with the stock piece.
If I remember correctly, I've shot a Glock long ago, and didn't like it much...but I don't ever recall shooting a USP.
Any pros/cons or opinions regarding the 1911 vs the USP?
Your question fits in this thread just fine.
Two gun threads is plenty for a moto forum.
Quote from: DarkStaR on July 03, 2011, 11:04:54 AM
If I remember correctly, I've shot a Glock long ago, and didn't like it much...but I don't ever recall shooting a USP.
I didn't like the Glock when I tried it. I was impressed with the Sig P229, and have been itching to give an H&K a try too. 1911s are almost too big for my hands.
JM
Quote from: ducpainter on July 03, 2011, 11:10:14 AM
Your question fits in this thread just fine.
Two gun threads is plenty for a moto forum.
+1 Heck, I even managed to squeeze in a Dyson vacuum thread! [laugh]
What's wrong with a stock 1911 slide release? Millions of owners want to know? ;D And there are aftermarket extended ones if needed.
Quote from: the_Journeyman on July 03, 2011, 11:54:50 AM
I didn't like the Glock when I tried it. I was impressed with the Sig P229, and have been itching to give an H&K a try too. 1911s are almost too big for my hands.
JM
H&K very nice and good piece ... I've fired the USP in .40S&W and 9mm .... great guns !!! But still like the .40S&W more
Quote from: fastwin on July 03, 2011, 05:36:16 PM
+1 Heck, I even managed to squeeze in a Dyson vacuum thread! [laugh]
What's wrong with a stock 1911 slide release? Millions of owners want to know? ;D And there are aftermarket extended ones if needed.
I can't reach the slide release without altering my grip. It's just not ideal for all people if you know what I mean. Almost makes it a 2 hang operation.
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=127496 (http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=127496)
If I went 1911, the extended piece would be a must.
(http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/HKbulletsBackwards.jpg)
;D
Quote from: DarkStaR on July 03, 2011, 06:34:57 PM
I can't reach the slide release with altering my grip. It's just not ideal for all people if you know what I mean. Almost makes it a 2 hang operation.
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=127496 (http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=127496)
If I went 1911, the extended piece would be a must.
If you are right handed and can switch your gun to a left handed slide drop try it. I am right handed and have all my guns with a left handed drop that way I can us my right middle finger for a drop and not shift my grip "at all". Probably will not work with all size hands but give it a try if your gun is made to switch. My 911's took a bit of work but Brownells sells a supposedly drop in kit.
Yeah, just not getting the 1911 slide release problem. Although I certainly believe there is one for DarkStar. But I've got small/medium size hands at best and I'm right handed and I just don't have a problem at all hitting the slide release with my right thumb. And no, I don't shift my grip. Of course you could also try inserting a fresh magazine and with your left hand just pull back and release the slide and let it go into battery. I often use this technique on my Glocks. They even have a smaller release (except the 34/35s) than the 1911. But then again, if an extended release would work better for you then so be it! [thumbsup] No biggie. 1911s are great pistols, there is no end of goodies out there to make it exactly what you want. Well worth the effort in the end.
Quote from: fastwin on July 04, 2011, 09:31:42 AM
... 1911s are great pistols, there is no end of goodies out there to make it exactly what you want...
That's one thing I'm kind or afraid of....just 1 more thing to mod. :P
Drkwng,
you mean the wrongly loaded mag? ...
Quote from: Darkmonster620 on July 04, 2011, 11:33:07 AM
Drkwng,
you mean the wrongly loaded mag? ...
And the simple irony that the picture was from an add that HK ran a while back.
Quote from: DRKWNG on July 04, 2011, 11:40:42 AM
And the simple irony that the picture was from an add that HK ran a while back.
Yes I saw that, but, at the time my caffeine-less mind knew there was something wrong but couldn't name it ...
I see those guns everytime I get to Miami International and must say they shoot real nice, yes, with the bullets loaded the right way
On another note, just spent two days at my property in east TX. Got back last night. Junior was driving me crazy to bust some caps. But it was 102 degrees, not a cloud in the sky and no breeze. [bang] I've got a big dirt pile as a berm between the barns (a safe distance from the house) with an array of three .22 caliber spinning targets and a couple of Arntzen free standing steel IPSC plates, 1 regular and 1 half size. Well we just backed up our set up spot about 10-15 yards to get under some tree shade and had at it.
He had his choice of his 10/22 or Henry lever action .22 rifles. For handguns it was SA 1911 with a Wilson Combat .22 conversion, Ruger MkII bull barrel, Ruger Bearcat, S&W Model 34 kit gun/4", my .357 mag slicked up S&W Model 65 (shootin' .38s) and one of my 5" Les Baer .45acp 1911s. He wouldn't go near the Les Baer. [laugh] A bit too much for him I guess. But I put 50-75 rounds through it between his reloads and breaks.
Yeah, it was hotter than hell but he had a great time. He's only 14 but he's a darn good shot, takes it very seriously and is safer than most adults that have gone through my old classes or folks in CHL renewal classes I have attended. Good times! [thumbsup] Nice way for him to celebrate the 4th! Like he said, this is better than fireworks. ;D
Quote from: DRKWNG on July 04, 2011, 10:53:43 AM
Glad someone else got it. [thumbsup]
Wrong way peach fuzz. [cheeky]
Quote from: Darkmonster620 on July 04, 2011, 11:49:54 AM
I see those guns everytime I get to Miami International and must say they shoot real nice, yes, with the bullets loaded the right way
HK makes some decent stuff, but I hate the triggers on their handguns. I'd take an older Sig over an HK any day.
that's why I'm keeping my P229 ... in .40 .... just need to replace grips screws ...
would you recommend to replace the 'green' sights to orange/red or should I keep the OEM ones for better sighting in the dark?
Are they green tritium/night sights now?
yes ...
No they haven't started to fade, but since this will become my personal defense/competition gun... I was asking ...
It's impossible for anyone other than yourself to say what you should go with. Figure out which sights you can get on target with quickly and reliably, in a high-stress environment, and stick with those.
that's the thing, I've tried a P228 with orange/red sight during competition and regular use at the range and found targets easier but at low light/night situations ... red front sight sort of 'mixed' with streets lights ... and wouldn't glow for long ... my guns sleeps right by my side, bullet loaded
I'm teaching a women and junior beginner rifle class next weekend - one of my all-time favorite things to do. Can't wait!
Quote from: WarrenJ on July 04, 2011, 05:02:06 PM
I'm teaching a women and junior beginner rifle class next weekend - one of my all-time favorite things to do. Can't wait!
small caliber or shoot what you want?
Everyone is different and I try to keep my class sizes down to 4 or 5 so my wife and I can work with them as individuals instead of a one size fits all program.
If I have people that are pretty intimidated, I have an H&R M12 Target 22 I bought from the CMP at Camp Perry a couple of years ago. It weighs about 12 lbs and has a 28" wedding prick barrel. I have an old Unertl 15X 2" Ultra Varmint Scope on it so it weighs about 16 lbs. I put it on a secure rest and position a seat at the right height and position so they can easliy access the controls and put them on a big target at 50 or 100 yards. I use subsonic ammo, so the noise out of that long tube is really not at all threatening. That 15X Unertl at 100 yards allows you to see the bullet climb up through your line of sight and drop down into the target. The gun is foolishly accurate and nearly shoots itself. Once they have some confidence and success with that, I transition them to the larger, noisier stuff. Its a great way to set people up for success and then build on it.
I think one of the psychological things about that big 22 is that it looks enormous and threatening and once they realize that they can work with it, other different guns are no longer a big deal mentally and the transitions come a lot smoother.
The shot gun for home defense convo has come up a few time.. I was wondering if anyone uses or thinks loading the first 2-3 with non lethal bean bags is a good idea? For safety of your family members on the other side of the wall..
Quote from: cokey on July 04, 2011, 10:51:57 PM
The shot gun for home defense convo has come up a few time.. I was wondering if anyone uses or thinks loading the first 2-3 with non lethal bean bags is a good idea? For safety of your family members on the other side of the wall..
the way I figure it
bean bags defeat the reason for using a shotgun
and
you run the risk of leaving the bad guy alive
which defeats the reason for shooting him
over penetration issues would be better served with something like mag safe ammo in a pistol
imo
I run the top two rounds with Winchester Heavy Sporting Clays 1 1/8 of 7 1/2's then I go to 3" Magnum Heavishot Dead Coyote. I don't have any kids and the nearest neighbor is over a quarter mile away.
The Sporting Clays loads will not overpenetrate excessively and if they don't handle the problem, if I'm still alive, that Dead Coyote is some ugly stuff out to 80 or 90 yards if necessary. Slugs are on the sidesaddle.
Quote from: fastwin on July 05, 2011, 06:52:45 AM
But then again, this is a Ducati motorcycle forum so you can do whatever you want with your shotgun. ;D
I put carbon fibre handgrips and a Termi muzzle device on my 870.
[evil]
Quote from: cokey on July 04, 2011, 10:51:57 PM
The shot gun for home defense convo has come up a few time.. I was wondering if anyone uses or thinks loading the first 2-3 with non lethal bean bags is a good idea? For safety of your family members on the other side of the wall..
absolute nonsense.
if you're concerned about overpenetration, use bird shot. will not go thru a sheetrock wall, and cleanup is easier. ricochet is a problem if you have brick around.
Got ya..
I need a shotgun.
All this talk. . .
made me remember that.
I like the Kel-Tec shooter.
JM
The simpler and more natural pointing the better - bullpups and extra gadgets detract from the immediate usefullness of a shotgun. That Keltek sure looks cool though.
One of my little theorys is that if you can't hit skeet or sporting clays targets with your defensive shotgun, you probably need to rethink your choice. If you can flip your gun up and crush a clay whipping through the trees on a sporting course, an intruder in the house is in big trouble.
it's interesting how natural and agile the feel of a standard shotgun is when the trigger hand position seems so unnatural
pistol grips make them feel clumsy and top heavy
Quote from: Jacob on July 05, 2011, 08:13:14 PM
it's interesting how natural and agile the feel of a standard shotgun is when the trigger hand position seems so unnatural
pistol grips make them feel clumsy and top heavy
it depends on how you are shooting it for me. a pistol grip with a rifle butt works very well. the wrist angle when at chin level is much more naturally in the pistol position rather than the rifle style.
firing lower than chin level or offhand, i agree 100%
Quote from: fastwin on July 05, 2011, 07:52:35 AM
People completely overlook #7-#8 birdshot as a defense round. In a typical apartment or house environment and given the room size and hallway length your shots will not be very long.
By the way, birdshot will go through sheetrock. Just not with as much horsepower as buck or slugs.
Remember the reason you are shooting your attacker. To put him down so he will not attack you. Bird shot is for birds and has no place in self defense at all, you might upset the surgeon who has to take the time to pick out all the #8. But as far as reaching a vital organ to stop the flow of blood to the brain in most cases bird shot will not. Especially if it is winter and he has a normal or heavy jacket on. You cannot even bring down a goose if you shoot him square in the chest with 7 or 8's. Buck is the only stopping load, IMHO of course. I bet this argument has gone round and round many times before but it drives me nuts to think someone is using number 8's for defense. In my humble opinion of course. [popcorn]
Quote from: BoDiddley on July 06, 2011, 06:38:22 AM
Remember the reason you are shooting your attacker. To put him down so he will not attack you. Bird shot is for birds and has no place in self defense at all, you might upset the surgeon who has to take the time to pick out all the #8. But as far as reaching a vital organ to stop the flow of blood to the brain in most cases bird shot will not. Especially if it is winter and he has a normal or heavy jacket on. You cannot even bring down a goose if you shoot him square in the chest with 7 or 8's. Buck is the only stopping load, IMHO of course. I bet this argument has gone round and round many times before but it drives me nuts to think someone is using number 8's for defense. In my humble opinion of course. [popcorn]
it's a matter of training. some people train for center mass, i train for head shots. you can have all the heavy jacket on you want, but a face full of bird shot at "social work" distances is going to take you down.
Quote from: ducatiz on July 06, 2011, 07:55:56 AM
it's a matter of training. some people train for center mass, i train for head shots. you can have all the heavy jacket on you want, but a face full of bird shot at "social work" distances is going to take you down.
That is good! But we can train 24/7 for ten years and run through every situational scenario possible and the one you face will never be the one thought of. Head shots? Hmmmmm, that is another can of worms? I like to look at it as you would be taking a shot in a game, any game. The one you want to use is the highest percentage shot and forget all the rest. Boy, one could ramble on about the obvious for hours.
Here is to never running into the wrong scenario! [beer]
Quote from: BoDiddley on July 06, 2011, 09:17:58 AM
That is good! But we can train 24/7 for ten years and run through every situational scenario possible and the one you face will never be the one thought of. Head shots? Hmmmmm, that is another can of worms? I like to look at it as you would be taking a shot in a game, any game. The one you want to use is the highest percentage shot and forget all the rest. Boy, one could ramble on about the obvious for hours.
Here is to never running into the wrong scenario! [beer]
I understand that, which is why it's good practice to keep multiple "options" at hand. Those fingerprint safes are great for mounting in a hidden place such as a bathroom closet, above the door or in a kitchen cabinet.
I train for headshots because those are the ones that I did the best with -- as far as dropping the target. At least, with the hez'b'allah folks...
:-X
in recent years we've had a number of armed break-ins on medical marijuana distributors (imagine that)
Break in #1:
3 attackers with 2 shotguns and a pistol
1 defender with a shotgun
all 3 attackers are walking down a hallway to the base of a set of stairs
defender gets off 2 shots from elevated position at the top of the stair
takes the hand off of attacker #1 and hits attacker #2 in the (L) thigh
speculation is that the defender was aiming at attacker #1 while he was going down and missed hitting attacker #2
Attacker #3 gets off 5 rounds and runs
3 rounds hit attacker #2 in the back killing him
1 round hits attacker #1 in the neck/jaw
1 round hits the defender in the chest killing him
Break in #2
2 attackers 2 shotguns
1 defender with a shotgun
1 bystander
2 attackers are roughing up bystander at the bottom of a stairwell
defender fires 5 rounds at close range while coming down the stairs
hitting attacker #1 in the in the chest
hitting attacker #2 in the stomach
hitting the bystander in the hand
no one was killed
stairwells always figure into your drama?
:)
Quote from: ducatiz on July 06, 2011, 11:55:14 AM
stairwells always figure into your drama?
:)
What I found interesting was the consistency of somebody getting hit in the hands
I heard an observation once that the purpose of a handgun is to get you to your long guns.
Quote from: Jacob on July 06, 2011, 02:48:55 PM
What I found interesting was the consistency of somebody getting hit in the hands
The gun is in the hands, people fixate on the gun, the hands get shot.
Quote from: kopfjäger on July 06, 2011, 02:58:47 PM
The gun is in the hands, people fixate on the gun, the hands get shot.
Its still interesting
I also find it interesting that no one was killed from the shotguns
Which leads to a load debate I suppose
Quote from: Jacob on July 06, 2011, 03:08:00 PM
Its still interesting
I also find it interesting that no one was killed from the shotguns
Which leads to a load debate I suppose
Not really interesting, just piss poor marksmanship. ;)
In the first break in the home owner shot twice and hit one bad guy in the hand and a second bad guy in the leg
The third bad guy shot back with a pistol five times and hit his buddy 3 times, his other buddy once and the home owner
It's the best part of the story
The home owner opens up
A bad guy opens up
And the two poor bastards in the middle catch hell
It's just a bummer that the home owner took one
But
As I understand no one in that situation was a peach
Well, that for certain, at least one of the bad guys won't be a repeat offender.
JM
Damn this thread.
....off to look at 870's
Quote from: kopfjäger on July 06, 2011, 02:58:47 PM
The gun is in the hands, people fixate on the gun, the hands get shot.
So target fixation is real? ;D
Only if you're aiming for a target.
JM
Proper home defense by trained shooter.
http://regspace.net/dailygas/blog1.php/2009/03/10/11-year-old-girl-shoots-and-kill-2-illeg (http://regspace.net/dailygas/blog1.php/2009/03/10/11-year-old-girl-shoots-and-kill-2-illeg)
Talk about swimming in shark infested waters...
Quote from: kopfjäger on July 06, 2011, 06:09:55 PM
Proper home defense by trained shooter.
http://regspace.net/dailygas/blog1.php/2009/03/10/11-year-old-girl-shoots-and-kill-2-illeg (http://regspace.net/dailygas/blog1.php/2009/03/10/11-year-old-girl-shoots-and-kill-2-illeg)
Interesting.
A good story, based on the facts of the matter. I have nothing to add concerning the writer and/or site's politics. *cough*
Quote from: Monsterlover on July 06, 2011, 06:19:08 PM
Talk about swimming in shark infested waters...
Mhmm.
Quote from: fastwin on July 06, 2011, 06:47:28 PM
Yep, target fixation is as real for riding as well as shooting. The mind takes over and does what it does. Whether it's driving a car, a bike, a lawn mower or a gun. Massad Ayoob's "Stress Fire" book and concept really speak about this. Worth checking out. [thumbsup]
Pretty sure I was being a little 'tongue in cheek'. ;)
Quote from: fastwin link=topic=39943.msg926154#msg926154 date=a lawn mower
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:D
Quote from: kopfjäger on July 06, 2011, 06:09:55 PM
Proper home defense by trained shooter.
http://regspace.net/dailygas/blog1.php/2009/03/10/11-year-old-girl-shoots-and-kill-2-illeg (http://regspace.net/dailygas/blog1.php/2009/03/10/11-year-old-girl-shoots-and-kill-2-illeg)
I wonder what came first
The shotgun
or
The stairway
However, I do know the last thoughts of the intruders...
Thug 1 to Thug 2: "How cute, a little girl with a shotgun, she thinks she's gonna defend the............."
BLAM
BLAM
Thug 1: "oh shit. I'm dead."
Thug 2: "Dammit, I'm dead too."
JM
Quote from: Jacob on July 06, 2011, 07:47:05 PM
I wonder what came first
The shotgun
or
The stairway
Daaaaagggnabbbit!
it's like a D&D scene...
you begin to ascend the stairs.. you hear the bolt of a shotgun click loudly.. what do you do?
The simple solution is to break into houses without stairs
Quote from: Jacob on July 06, 2011, 10:36:08 PM
The simple solution is to break into houses without stairs
Or into a house with an 11 year old clay pigeon shooting champion with a shot gun in hand. :P
Quote from: Jacob on July 06, 2011, 10:36:08 PM
The simple solution is to break into houses without stairs
shhhhhh
Quote from: kopfjäger on July 06, 2011, 06:09:55 PM
Proper home defense by trained shooter.
http://regspace.net/dailygas/blog1.php/2009/03/10/11-year-old-girl-shoots-and-kill-2-illeg (http://regspace.net/dailygas/blog1.php/2009/03/10/11-year-old-girl-shoots-and-kill-2-illeg)
Too good to be true:
http://www.mtstandard.com/news/local/article_bc1ff1a9-cbe1-5f34-a63e-9e90b5530103.html (http://www.mtstandard.com/news/local/article_bc1ff1a9-cbe1-5f34-a63e-9e90b5530103.html)
Quote from: DarkStaR on July 08, 2011, 10:51:36 AM
Too good to be true:
http://www.mtstandard.com/news/local/article_bc1ff1a9-cbe1-5f34-a63e-9e90b5530103.html (http://www.mtstandard.com/news/local/article_bc1ff1a9-cbe1-5f34-a63e-9e90b5530103.html)
But
How do we know that the story identifying the story as fake isn't also fake?
Quote from: Jacob on July 08, 2011, 04:41:15 PM
But
How do we know that the story identifying the story as fake isn't also fake?
(http://newsimg.ngfiles.com/228000/228909_Is_this_real_life.jpg)
Speaking of real life, it's time for me to brave the oven that's disguising itself as my garage and clean all the hardware that junior shot last weekend at the farm. It was 106 degrees yesterday and the garage still feels like it this morning! [bang] They all got a good wipe down with Rem oil when I bagged them but they need the Hoppes clean inside and out. When I was single I'd just do it at the kitchen table if it was this hot. The wifely unit just wouldn't understand. :P But hey, folks work on their scooters inside. What's the dif with guns?? Wish me luck with that one. [roll]
I rebuilt a TS185 in my dining room. Surely you can clean a gun inside!
JM
Maybe I should move in with you. We think alike! [laugh]
I had a press and a riviter in my downstairs for a while. I made some AK receivers and and built up a whole gun using milsurp parts.
Quote from: ducatiz on July 09, 2011, 09:21:45 AM
I had a press and a riviter in my downstairs for a while. I made some AK receivers and and built up a whole gun using milsurp parts.
That'd be handy.
I have an AK kit that I've been sitting on for an embarrassing number of years. :P
Quote from: zarn02 on July 09, 2011, 10:35:38 AM
That'd be handy.
I have an AK kit that I've been sitting on for an embarrassing number of years. :P
with or without a receiver? you can find serial numbered FFL receivers for around 34-40 nowadays.
i was pressing receiver flats for a while, but found the quality sucked. i had better success with a pre-bent flat that I drilled out on a template, then dremeled the rails to finish and used tempil to harden the holes with a torch, worked much better than the flats.
No receiver at the moment. It's an AMD-65 kit, so whatever I get I'll most likely have to cut for the side fold stock, or just put a standard stock on it.
I've thought about the flats, or pre-bent "80%" (or whatever they are/used to be called) receivers, but have usually found myself lacking in confidence to do bending and/or torch work.
Quote from: DarkStaR on July 08, 2011, 10:51:36 AM
Too good to be true:
http://www.mtstandard.com/news/local/article_bc1ff1a9-cbe1-5f34-a63e-9e90b5530103.html (http://www.mtstandard.com/news/local/article_bc1ff1a9-cbe1-5f34-a63e-9e90b5530103.html)
Bummer, oh well my bad.
Ended up going for the Kimber 1911 Custom II Stainless TLE/RL II.
Not a bad choice. I've really enjoyed my Kimber.
Quote from: DarkStaR on July 09, 2011, 08:41:04 PM
Ended up going for the Kimber 1911 Custom II Stainless TLE/RL II.
Good choice [thumbsup]
Quote from: zarn02 on July 09, 2011, 01:59:47 PM
No receiver at the moment. It's an AMD-65 kit, so whatever I get I'll most likely have to cut for the side fold stock, or just put a standard stock on it.
I've thought about the flats, or pre-bent "80%" (or whatever they are/used to be called) receivers, but have usually found myself lacking in confidence to do bending and/or torch work.
the pre-bent are easy to work with. you need a drill press. you can pick up a small one for abut $70 which work fine. some have done the drilling by hand but i don't recommend it.
tempering the holes is easy if you use the tempil stick. it's basically a grease pencil but doesn't melt until you hit the right temp
Quote from: flare_late on July 10, 2011, 01:25:56 AM
Good choice [thumbsup]
+2!! Kimber's rock. Got lots of $$ tied up in 1911s. Les Baers, Wilsons, Springfield Armorys, custom gunsmith numbers, etc. But I shoot every bit as well with my Kimbers as I do with any of the other more expensive ones. Maybe out of a Ransom Rest some will group tighter @ 25 yards but I don't care. I personally can't shoot one that much better than the others. I just love shooting them all but I do appreciate the hand built feel of the high end 1911s.
Kimber changed the industry forever with factory "custom" features on their standard models and put the hurt on gunsmiths everywhere. They forced the other manufacturers into including the previous custom gunsmith features on their over the counter 1911s. I'm sure they are now on Ed Brown's personal hate mail list!! [laugh]
What are everyones reconmendations on $300 - $400 .22 pistols? I love the hours of fun for little money I can have with my 10/22 & would like to get a pistol also. Many of the .22 pistols I have shot like the walther P22 & the ruger mark III just feel a little to small in my hands to get used to. Then theres also the part of me that wants to get the gsg 522 pk just for the cool factor, any one have any experiance with these?
The womans rifle class I taught yesterday went real well. I had two groups of 10 women and my class was rated the highest of all the classes offered at the outdoor event. Pretty fun!
This was the first womens event ran at this gunclub and they had 60 participants. They had hands on instruction on rifle shooting, sporting clays with a top instuctor, Trap instruction by a former Olympic womens trap champion, sausage making, chainsawing, dutch oven cooking, trailer backing, ATV riding, etc.
I brought out a variety of guns from 22's to 416 Taylor. Believe it or not, they shot up all my Taylor ammo.
Its raining today, so I'm scrubbing guns, the 22's and the 223's really took a pounding yesterday.
=
Quote from: caperix on July 10, 2011, 09:19:52 AM
What are everyones reconmendations on $300 - $400 .22 pistols? I love the hours of fun for little money I can have with my 10/22 & would like to get a pistol also. Many of the .22 pistols I have shot like the walther P22 & the ruger mark III just feel a little to small in my hands to get used to. Then theres also the part of me that wants to get the gsg 522 pk just for the cool factor, any one have any experiance with these?
I really can't suggest anything better than the Ruger Standard or Mark series. I have an ancient Standard Model that was my pop's from 1959 and a Mark II slabside Target model, both are amazing. Maybe pick up some thicker grips for them?
There are some nice revolvers in 22 as well, Taurus Tracker in 22 is not bad -- 9 shot cylinder, and very well made.
Does anyone know if this case is real?
What's it worth?
It's for an MK23 (SOCOM).
I purchased it years ago at a gun show thinking it was fake, and just bought it because it looked nice.
Over the years I've been reading that some (non-american, maybe european) MK23s came with a case similar to this, and earlier models with a similar case, but with gold trim.
I don't frequent gun forums at all, so TIA. All the links I do find keep switch over to porn... :o
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/hundredpercentkill/dmf/ee7829b1.jpg)
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/hundredpercentkill/dmf/e2a5f0f9.jpg)
Sorry, no help on the case. It looks very nice and looks authentic. I'd recommend you buy an auto that fits it and put it to good use! [laugh] No. Seriously! [thumbsup]
As far as the .22 pistol question, I'm going with ducatiz. I've had my Ruger MK IIs for so long I have no idea what I paid for them or what they go for now. GREAT .22 pistols. Both of mine are bull barrels, one stainless and one blue. I had a Browning Buckmark which was nice but it didn't keep me from swapping it to my brother for one of his boys to have. I also have a couple of Colt Woodsman Match Target .22s that I grew up with. One 4" and one 6". I'll never get rid of those! They go to the grave with me... along with a couple of my bikes! ;D
But you are right. Some of the most fun you can have is spending an afternoon with a .22, a brick of ammo and a couple of cold beers! I grew up as a kid doing the same thing (minus the beer [drink]) at my Dad's ranch near Hamilton and almost a half century later I still love it! Can't beat it. I loved it when my Dad sent me on a "mission" to shoot a bunch of big ass bullfrogs so he could cook up a frog leg dinner. There were seriously some HUGE ones at the stock tanks and I can still hear him saying "don't come back until you fill this bucket with frogs". Of course there was the inevitable mission creep. [laugh] But hey, I was a kid and there was a lot of stuff that needed shooting! [thumbsup]
Quote from: fastwin on July 10, 2011, 10:58:14 AM
Sorry, no help on the case. It looks very nice and looks authentic. I'd recommend you buy an auto that fits it and put it to good use! [laugh] No. Seriously! [thumbsup]
Maybe I should of got the USP then. Wasn't thinking of the case when I got the 1911... :P
You deserve to feel bad. The only way to fix it now is to go out and get a USP. Only then will eternal happiness return. Trust me. [laugh]
Did some shooting a couple weeks ago, but haven't had much time to post.
My wife's best friend was visiting her dad and wife wanted to go see her since it was only an hr drive (vs 7 to friends house)
I was on the fence about going or working at the shop. Wife said "her dad says bring guns and you guys can shoot in the back yard all afternoon."
Sold.
The reason I'm posting about this is because this guy was really neat. Retired cutter grinder for Cummins Engine in NY. His basement was full of smaller machinery that was all belt driven, and all restored by him to the point that they looked new.
I'm kicking myself for not taking a camera.
He has a passion for .22 rifles, and buys em at the shows and restores them. His work is amazing. I really can't find better words than that.
He relines his own barrels, cuts his own stocks, makes missing parts etc all on these ancient machines (from the 20's and 30's) holding tenth's (four decimal places)
Missing a tiny, minuscule (almost invisible) screw? He fills the threads with solder so he has something to measure then turns a new screw on the lathe, threads it, and slots the head on a tiny horizontal mill.
He made a flint lock pistol. Made the barrel from scratch. Rifled it in a way that blew me away. He's not a machinist. All self taught. I don't know that I would have ever thought of his rifling method.
He set the barrel up in his lathe. Created a stick with a slot in the end that was the same size as the bore. Wanting a 1:22 twist, he made a wheel with a 22" circumference and mounted that on his lathe.
A wire was ran from the back of the machine, to the wheel, around the wheel an bunch of times and over to the other side on the front of the machine (some pulleys involved here) He locked the chuck so I would not rotate.
The stick was mounted in the wheel. As the lathe's carriage moved 22" it would turn the wheel, and the stick, one time. He made a cutter to fit the end of the stick and ran it in and out until it wouldn't cut anymore.
Then he shimmed the cutter with paper and repeated the process until he had the groove depth he wanted and did it all for 8 grooves.
But anyway, we ended up shooting a Ballard .22 single shot target rifle with a drop block action and a set trigger. The scope was from the 30's.
It had a cheek piece and butt plate very similar to this
(http://www.cgm-gunstockcheckering.com/images/photos/c2-a.jpg)
And the controls looked preeeety much exactly like this
(http://picturearchive.auctionarms.com/1615152751/8051692/3fe975b22c2b659b8f69243dcf89c59e.jpg)
The thing had a 1-1/4 stainless barrel that he machined the chamber on. When you put a round in and closed it all up, the fit was amazing. I could feel the precision. It was as if everything was just .001" shy of not working.
And the set trigger. . . omg. Talk about no trigger pull. 1/2-1 pound I'd guess.
We had a blast shooting the shit and putting holes in pie plates at 50 yards all afternoon. Easy to shoot groups the size of a quarter.
Then we got out .45's and my 9mm and knocked down fire wood we setup out in the yard.
God damn, what a make the beast with two backsing awesome afternoon.
Sounds like a kick ass good time! I wouldn't have wanted to go either until the magic words were spoken. ;D People with that kind of talent and skill just blow me away. I can't do shit so anyone like that just impresses the hell out of me. What a great way to burn off an afternoon and see some really cool old stuff... oh yeah, and the shooting is good too. [thumbsup]
Quote from: caperix on July 10, 2011, 09:19:52 AM
What are everyones reconmendations on $300 - $400 .22 pistols? I love the hours of fun for little money I can have with my 10/22 & would like to get a pistol also. Many of the .22 pistols I have shot like the walther P22 & the ruger mark III just feel a little to small in my hands to get used to. Then theres also the part of me that wants to get the gsg 522 pk just for the cool factor, any one have any experiance with these?
I love my MK2 Target in SS. Ive got a red dot scope on it.....clunky, but dead on and great for shooting falling plates.
Just as fun and surprisingly accurate and reliable is my Ceiner .22 conversion kit for the Glock 17. Great way to introduce the kiddos and the wife to the 17 without the bark. Switches out in seconds.....
I have considered a .22 conversion kit. I have a Sig 229 that a .22 kit is available for, but for the $300 I would spend on it I could buy a whole .22.
I actually have a Ceiner .22 conversion for my Glock 19/23s but I have never used it. Don't want to get rid of it just would rather shoot my standard .22s. Although I have enjoyed the Wilson Combat 1911 conversion set up I have on a slicked up full size receiver. It's been a great tool for teaching my step son how to properly handle and use the 1911 without the .45acp influence. I have a couple of Colt Commanders in 9mm, one steel the other a lightweight but he still isn't comfy with any 9mm auto yet. Don't need to push it. The Wilson conversion gun is accomplishing the goal just fine.
If you have room in the gun safe and are going to spend the money one way or the other I'd just pick up a nice .22 auto or revolver that fits your hand and needs. There is no end in sight to the options out there. Is that a great dilema or what? [thumbsup] ;D
Quote from: caperix on July 10, 2011, 04:19:38 PM
I have considered a .22 conversion kit. I have a Sig 229 that a .22 kit is available for, but for the $300 I would spend on it I could buy a whole .22.
I thought they were more like $200. I paid $175 for mine with two extra mags off Gunbroker.
Quote from: caperix on July 10, 2011, 09:19:52 AM
What are everyones reconmendations on $300 - $400 .22 pistols? I love the hours of fun for little money I can have with my 10/22 & would like to get a pistol also. Many of the .22 pistols I have shot like the walther P22 & the ruger mark III just feel a little to small in my hands to get used to. Then theres also the part of me that wants to get the gsg 522 pk just for the cool factor, any one have any experiance with these?
Not sure about the price, but the Sig Mosquito looks pretty cool. Supposedly 10% smaller than the 226.
Probably not what you are after, but I love my Ruger Charger. Knoxx synthetic stock w/ single point sling and a 2x red dot will jazz it up a little.
(http://www.gunownerstv.com/8gafbb.jpg)
A falling block slug gun - Interesting!
For the record this is not my project. . . but here's another pic to [drool] over
(http://www.gunownerstv.com/1212.jpg)
"we made case by putting 12ga size rim on bmg brass"
"To put rim on cases we turn off old rim to bottom of extractor groove, and thread stub 5/8 x 24
for premade rim that screws on with locktite.
Here is picture of cases with threaded stub
and premade rims along with 3
different slugs in other cases"
(http://www.gunownerstv.com/sht.jpg)
Quote from: Monsterlover on July 12, 2011, 12:34:55 PM
For the record this is not my project. . . but here's another pic to [drool] over
(http://www.gunownerstv.com/1212.jpg)
nice. that's just nuts.
Big boom.
One has to ask why? I guess to say that it can be done? Kind of like mountain climbing. No offense to mountain climbers but I have never gotten the "we do it so we can say it can be done" thing. I know that's all personal stuff, etc. but I don't get the gun. And I'm a gun guy. ???
To make very big holes?
Quote from: fastwin on July 12, 2011, 04:40:36 PM
One has to ask why? I guess to say that it can be done? Kind of like mountain climbing. No offense to mountain climbers but I have never gotten the "we do it so we can say it can be done" thing. I know that's all personal stuff, etc. but I don't get the gun. And I'm a gun guy. ???
moto racing, bullfighting and mountain climbing....
Quote from: ducatiz on July 12, 2011, 05:12:33 PM
moto racing, bullfighting and mountain climbing....
The three Real Sports!
Isn't that a Hemingway quote? Or is it a ducatiz quote!! [laugh] [wine]
Finally pick up the 1911 yesterday. Haven't shot a real gun in years, was a bit nervous, and was still able to get prety damn good groups with a few on the center @ 10yds with the first mag.
Shot my buddies new Springfield XD45...for some reason we were all over the place with that thing. Starting to confirm that plastic guns are not for me.
1911s! Still kicking butt 100 years later. [thumbsup] [bacon]
and it can still crush a skull when the magazine is empty
old slab-sides is right up there with the hammer as a tool invention
Going back to large calibers for a second, my buddy just got an A-Square rifle in .577 Tyrannasaur. It's HUGE! The round and the rifle. Hopefully, I'll get to put my one obligatory round downrange soon.
????
(http://www.doublegunhq.com/bouchet_files/image002.jpg)
Speaking of crushing skulls [bang]... OK, I'm bored. The Tour is over for me. The wifely unit is baby sitting her 7 month old nephew for the weekend. Lots of crying and diapers. :P Too hot to ride (103+). Again, just looking to kill some time before we try going to a restaurant for lunch with a baby. Wish us luck!
Sooooo, how about ideas on your personal/fantasy firearm collection. Or what you think everyone should have in theirs. The unobtainables all the way down to the absolute basics. Your list, your call. Throw it out there! [popcorn]
My list: First off .22s. I lean toward auto pistols, Ruger Mk II etc over revolvers. Then either a 10/22 Ruger or a lever action (Henry, Marlin, Win 94 if you can afford one now days). 10/22s are the Duc Monsters of the .22 auto rifle world. More mods and accessories than you can possibly imagine.
Next, shotgun. Basic stuff here. A good pump in 20 or 12 gauge. Nothing weird, no 16s or 28s. Having something you can swap barrels on is nice. Maybe a bead sight 18" for home defense, then a 26-28" with screw in chokes for bird hunting. I lean toward over/unders for bird hunting but that's just me. If I had only one shotgun it would be a pump. Not even going to mention a brand... just a good solid pump.
Gotta have a good size revolver. I like S&W K and L frames, 4-6" barrel. Probably in .357mag so you can plink with cheaper .38spl. But I would also need to have a J frame snubby. Something like a hammerless 642 stainless or 442 blue in .38spl +p. Great self defense pocket guns... in fact you can even shoot them through a jacket pocket if you have to. Nothing to snag. [thumbsup]
Lastly, rifles. There are times I think I could live with a lever action. I've got three Win 94s in 357 mag, 45 long Colt and a classic pre '64 in .30-.30 (inherited from my Dad). I love them but... the cold reality is I would lean toward a classic bolt gun over a lever action or a semi auto AR platform. Not that I don't LOVE my ARs but I'm thinking of this list being a "just the basics" collection. It's a little boring but a Rem 700 rifle would be great, probably in a standard caliber like .308 and topped with a Leupold 3-9/4-12 scope. Again, nothing Earth shattering or too controversial. A bolt rifle like that would get 'r dun 99% of the time! ;D
There you go, that's my list. I'm more hungry than bored now so off to the restaurant we go. Looking forward to seeing some list posts. And the opinions that go with them. I'll check in later after we eat and the baby takes his nap. [thumbsup] [drink]
Ooh, fantasy firearm collection....
This could get very long, very quickly. And it might will require revising as I think of others...
So a partial list, to be edited and revised when the fancy strikes me.
Rifles
Ruger 10/22 with a bull barrel and decent optics
Mosin Nagant 1891 (I have a 91/30, which are common. Good shape 1891s are a bit harder to find.)
Mauser
Springfield 1903
AR-15
AK-47
FN-FAL
SVT-40
Dragunov
Romanian PSL
Handguns
1911
Para-Ordnance 14-45 (in single action, please)
Cz-52
Cz-75
Sig P229
Makarov
H&K Mk 23
High Standard HD-Military
S&W 686
S&W "Chief special"
Shotguns
Mossberg 590
Winchester model 12/1912
SPAS-12
A beautifully crafted Italian over-under
"Other"
MP-5
Browning M2 (What am I going to do with a heavy machine gun? Who cares, it'd be neat to own.)
Ah, everyone needs a Ma Deuce!
Love - Ma Deuce Style (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKxtVfnrQQg#normal)
Your list is more interesting than mine. I was keeping my 14 yo kid in mind for mine. Something to build on. [thumbsup]
When my pop died, I inherited his collection of guns. He was in WW2 and in Korea and apparently back then, marines and soldiers could bring back stuff much easier than nowadays. He brought back various french and german guns, and a handfull of polish nagants. From Korea he brought back a few Russian pistols and one SKS and one Japanese gun called a Shiki something. One of the guns in his collection was a funky thing called a Chauchat, which turned out to be a machine gun. Since it was an historical collection, the attorney in probate required everything to be listed and values estimated. Unfortunately the Chaucat and the Shiki were determined to be an MG and we had to surrender them. No telling what they were worth, but the field office said they would likely be bandsawed. :-/
Quote from: ducatiz on July 23, 2011, 07:04:20 PM
When my pop died, I inherited his collection of guns. He was in WW2 and in Korea and apparently back then, marines and soldiers could bring back stuff much easier than nowadays. He brought back various french and german guns, and a handfull of polish nagants. From Korea he brought back a few Russian pistols and one SKS and one Japanese gun called a Shiki something. One of the guns in his collection was a funky thing called a Chauchat, which turned out to be a machine gun. Since it was an historical collection, the attorney in probate required everything to be listed and values estimated. Unfortunately the Chaucat and the Shiki were determined to be an MG and we had to surrender them. No telling what they were worth, but the field office said they would likely be bandsawed. :-/
make the beast with two backsing lawyers :P
You are allowed to own machine guns. ;)
I do. ;D
But I can see problems with leftover war "souvenirs" that meet Class III regs that have no traceable "ownership" and NFA paper trail. The question is who did they get turned over to and who alledgedly bandsawed them up? ATF? The Boy Scouts? The PTA? [bang] Curious minds want to know. My wife has asked what happens to my stuff if I die in a car wreck tomorrow? All I can tell her is there will be a line outside our door that wraps around the block! [laugh]
If the souvenirs didn't meet the class III regs, then they would be tucked away. ;)
As they should be! ;D
Off to the range this a.m.
Fitted a Huber Concepts Match Trigger in my S-Corona 03A3 target rifle...set for 1 1/2 lbs break
peened the Lyman aperture gallows-arm to get rid of the slop
Whipped up a batch of 100 30-06 match rounds...
Lapua brass, 45 grs of IMR4064, CCI BR2 primers and Nosler Ballistic tip 168 gr heads
this make the beast with two backser better shoot right now on the bags :)
...and here I was thinking they only made typewriters. :-\
Quote from: kopfjäger on July 23, 2011, 07:12:42 PM
You are allowed to own machine guns. ;)
Of course. But there was no registration amnesty available. They had never been registered.
Quote from: fastwin on July 23, 2011, 07:37:25 PM
I do. ;D
But I can see problems with leftover war "souvenirs" that meet Class III regs that have no traceable "ownership" and NFA paper trail. The question is who did they get turned over to and who alledgedly bandsawed them up? ATF? The Boy Scouts? The PTA? [bang] Curious minds want to know. My wife has asked what happens to my stuff if I die in a car wreck tomorrow? All I can tell her is there will be a line outside our door that wraps around the block! [laugh]
My uncle surrendered them to the ATF field office. He asked if they could do something with them like sell them to a museum and was told they "would be bandsawed."
Quote from: ducatiz on July 23, 2011, 07:04:20 PM
When my pop died, I inherited his collection of guns. He was in WW2 and in Korea and apparently back then, marines and soldiers could bring back stuff much easier than nowadays. He brought back various french and german guns, and a handfull of polish nagants. From Korea he brought back a few Russian pistols and one SKS and one Japanese gun called a Shiki something. One of the guns in his collection was a funky thing called a Chauchat, which turned out to be a machine gun. Since it was an historical collection, the attorney in probate required everything to be listed and values estimated. Unfortunately the Chaucat and the Shiki were determined to be an MG and we had to surrender them. No telling what they were worth, but the field office said they would likely be bandsawed. :-/
You are glad they band-sawed the Chauchat....they were legendary pieces of shit machine-guns developed by committee in Fraunce by Fraunchmen....
they disassembled themselves between jammings if they were able to cycle long enough
The WW1 doughboys had them dumped on them by the Fraunch in mandatory exchange for the viable ordnance the Yanks brought over from the States
After armistice the Fraunch unloaded them on other unsuspecting nations...
probably ones that ultimately became Eastern European Com Bloc nations after WW2...
who promptly discovered what incredible pieces of shit they were and unloaded them on the ChiComs or N. Koreans as assistance
It would have been nice to keep it even as a dewat. My pop had disassembled it and mailed it back. It was just a connection with his life. I am sure it was in some weird caliber anyhow, like 7.2344mm Poodle or ?
Quote from: ducpainter on July 24, 2011, 04:24:29 AM
...and here I was thinking they only made typewriters. :-\
No they actually made some very high quality 03A3's....not a lot of them....the earliest ones of their 2 year production run had 6 groove barrels produced by Hi-Standard....(makers of some of the best GI M1911 barrels back when)
Quote from: ducatiz on July 24, 2011, 04:28:45 AM
It would have been nice to keep it even as a dewat. My pop had disassembled it and mailed it back. It was just a connection with his life. I am sure it was in some weird caliber anyhow, like 7.2344mm Poodle or ?
yes correct...the rimmed round necessitated a magazine that was almost a full circular shape
Quote from: ducpainter on July 24, 2011, 04:24:29 AM
...and here I was thinking they only made typewriters. :-\
My uncle has a Smith Corona AND an IBM!
Quote from: RAT900 on July 24, 2011, 04:31:13 AM
yes correct...the rimmed round necessitated a magazine that was almost a full circular shape
Russians didn't have that problem, but then again I don't know that box magazines were invented at that point.
Should of hid them..
Long story, but I was not around to be involved and mom wasn't in a mood to deal with a store of guns (he had about 200 total).. She had a guy from a gun shop inventory them.
Pop had progressively gone through each one and documented them in a folder, which they didn't find, apparently he had a lot of others that he had traded away or sold. Someone somewhere has a bunch of fun pieces, albeit massively illegal. Pop had no idea they were illegal though. He brought them over and it never occurred to him to ask, I guess. He didn't fire any of the war trophies to my knowledge, he just like shooting skeet.
I bet that happened a lot. Especially WWII and Korean vets. Maybe a few Viet Nam era AKs for good measure. Stuff it in your duffle or mail it home in pieces. I've heard stories (as most of you have) about German Lugers, Japanese swords, etc. making it home. Why wouldn't a few burp guns make it back too? I'd damn sure try just for the heck of it. ;D Remember, up until the 1934 NFA law was passed you could legally buy a Thompson machine gun at your local hardware store... along with a box of nails, some .45acp ammo and rat poison. Opps, sorry RAT. No offense. [laugh]
Ah the good old day.. would mind being alive then..
Quote from: cokey on July 24, 2011, 10:02:48 AM
Ah the good old day.. would mind being alive then..
it was terrible.. drug gangs were rampant, school shootings in the news..wait.. ...
Lol.. eh, back when most disputes were delt with fist then a handshake wasn't bad..
Quote from: ducatiz on July 24, 2011, 06:27:14 AM
My uncle has a Smith Corona AND an IBM!
yes S-C, Remington and IBM all made typewriters...and rifles
which I suppose, in the greater world of writing utensils
did not support the notion that the "pen" is mightier than the sword
Quote from: RAT900 on July 24, 2011, 12:30:27 PM
yes S-C, Remington and IBM all made typewriters...and rifles
which I suppose, in the greater world of writing utensils
did not support the notion that the "pen" is mightier than the sword
How did the range session go?
Quote from: ducpainter on July 24, 2011, 12:44:18 PM
How did the range session go?
Curious minds want to know.
I shot a friend's 1903A3 several years ago and it was a damn good shooter. I'll never remember who the manufacturer was. I recall we were shooting ball reloads that he had worked up. It had me jonesin' for one for awhile but I fought it off. I only have two .30-06 rifles, a Garand and a Model 70 and I don't need another one. I know... blasphemy! [laugh]
Quote from: ducpainter on July 24, 2011, 12:44:18 PM
How did the range session go?
Actually pretty well,,,,I managed 45 rounds down-range wearing a t-shirt for protection...
so my shoulder took a bit of a pounding
shot @ 100 yards at 6 inch shoot-n-see's from the bench on the bags
3 sight-ins and it was dialed into the black and stayed there
no clover leafing or sub-moa groups...about a 4 inch spread
Trigger feels like 2-3 lbs not 1 1/2 so I am going to tweak the grub screw adjusters this week
always feels light enough until you're actually shouldering the rifle and staring down the barrel with a round chambered
only then do you really know if you have the pull where you want it
probably would have grouped better if I had a winter jacket on ....
after 12 rounds I was pulling my shots a little in anticipation of the punch
I'm a wimp...
I shoot .223. ;)
I've got a wickedly bad shoulder that needs a lot of surgical attention. Even long sessions with a .223 made me head for the Advil and flexible cold pack out of the freezer. I now keep a PAST slip on shoulder pad in one of my rifle/shotgun gear range bags. [thumbsup] It put a dent in Advil's profits last year! [laugh]
Glad the session went well. With some shoulder padding and a massaged trigger bet those groups shrink.
Quote from: fastwin on July 24, 2011, 01:02:30 PM
Curious minds want to know.
I shot a friend's 1903A3 several years ago and it was a damn good shooter. I'll never remember who the manufacturer was. I recall we were shooting ball reloads that he had worked up. It had me jonesin' for one for awhile but I fought it off. I only have two .30-06 rifles, a Garand and a Model 70 and I don't need another one. I know... blasphemy! [laugh]
I have always liked the 03A3's more than the pre-WW2 versions...the aperture sight on the receiver bridge was always better than the ladder sight on the barrel...
the one I have has a Lyman 48 rear sight and a Globe front that takes inserts...I call them winter guns since they kick like mules and I always do better with them with a layer or 2 of outerwear on
Right now I am down to one WW2 Garand...I sold off 2 others to fund an LRB M14SA build....
I'll get another CMP beater Garand as a winter project...probably a post war....found a site on the web where they are selling new 1952 Springfield Garand barrels in cosmoline and wrapped so I'll build up another crack shooter
Quote from: ducpainter on July 24, 2011, 01:29:57 PM
I'm a wimp...
I shoot .223. ;)
I do as well....old Colt AR from the late 70's and currently a lego-special I put together using an LRB lower, someone's flat top upper, RRA trigger and Armalite Barrel, bolt and carrier. Scoped that one with the Leupold Mark AR
I swear by the Armalite standard M15A2 barrels 1:9 twists and have used them for a few I assembled always with outstanding results
I have found that the best heads for .223 are the Sierra 60 grain hollow point varminters and damn near any type of powder behind the load...outshoots their match heads of any weight 7 days a week
Quote from: fastwin on July 24, 2011, 01:33:30 PM
I've got a wickedly bad shoulder that needs a lot of surgical attention. Even long sessions with a .223 made me head for the Advil and flexible cold pack out of the freezer. I now keep a PAST slip on shoulder pad in one of my rifle/shotgun gear range bags. [thumbsup] It put a dent in Advil's profits last year! [laugh]
Glad the session went well. With some shoulder padding and a massaged trigger bet those groups shrink.
Oh I have a crunchy shoulder too but it isn't arthritic yet so I get a little sore but no deep-aches yet....I hate the idea of age putting an end to my shooting large calibers....my eyes are a big enough problem as it is and I hate the idea of moving to scopes full time...I have always been a die-hard iron sight type
I damn near cried when I had to move from 3 inch shoot-n-c's to 6 inchers
Quote from: RAT900 on July 24, 2011, 01:46:54 PM
I do as well....old Colt AR from the late 70's and currently a lego-special I put together using an LRB lower, someone's flat top upper, RRA trigger and Armalite Barrel, bolt and carrier. Scoped that one with the Leupold Mark AR
I swear by the Armalite standard M15A2 barrels 1:9 twists and have used them for a few I assembled always with outstanding results
I have found that the best heads for .223 are the Sierra 60 grain hollow point varminters and damn near any type of powder behind the load...outshoots their match heads of any weight 7 days a week
I have a CZ 527 FS with a 1:12 barrel. It likes much lighter projectiles than a 1:9. Does really well with a 40-45 gr ballistic tip
I could still hit you at 300 yards with irons but I'd need glasses to read your drivers license! [laugh] Old age sucks. It's even shortened my rides! [bang] Where does this shit end? Oh yeah, I forgot! :o
I like those Leupold Mark AR bdc scopes. Put a 3x9 with ARMS quick release rings on a built up AR flat top last year and really like it. So much so I bought the 4x12 version for my .223 Remington 700 PSS. Haven't mounted it yet but I know I'll like the results.
Quote from: ducpainter on July 24, 2011, 03:21:16 PM
I have a CZ 527 FS with a 1:12 barrel. It likes much lighter projectiles than a 1:9. Does really well with a 40-45 gr ballistic tip
The CZ's are outstanding rifles...literally the best bang for your buck in the market
the slower 1:12 twist would definitely do better with the lighter heads
my range pal has the 527 he loves it and with good reason....I went for the CZ in .22WMR when all those nifty ballistic tipped rimfire rounds came out
I always had a sweet spot for the 22 magnums...did some of my finest ground-hogging with one as a kid
this one shoots like the dickens all day long
I just turned in my form 4's to the MD State Police. It will be on its way to the ATF any day. Some very quiet Class III goodness is heading my way soon!
Stopped at the local shooter shop. They were closed but I grabbed a shot of their sign [laugh]
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/900rider/Misc/2011-07-25_09-39-19_494.jpg?t=1311709534)
That sign could really use more punctuation than the one exclamation mark at the end.
"Get some navy Islamic terrorists are like king salmon life is great til the seals show up!"
So are these terrorists part of a terrorist navy? And why do I want to get some of them? I'd have little use for an Islamic terrorist navy in Kansas, and I can't imagine they'd manage much terrorizing on the Arkansas river. Maybe a very small amount of terror if they tried to share any fish they'd caught.
Quote from: ducrider45 on July 26, 2011, 10:22:33 AM
I just turned in my form 4's to the MD State Police. It will be on its way to the ATF any day. Some very quiet Class III goodness is heading my way soon!
Sweeet. [thumbsup] What are you putting the muffler on? Just wonderin'. ;D [popcorn]
This is what the can is for:
(http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/ducrider45/22.jpg?t=1311729678)
I cant wait! But the MSP and ATF say that I have to.
I believe the FBI has an interest too.
Does it have a threaded barrel? It's hard for me to tell if the barrel comp is threaded on or not. If I ever got a muffled gun it would be a .22. [thumbsup] Probably a 10/22. Using sub sonic rounds all you hear is the bolt slapping. My MP5 has a 3 lug barrel but I'd still make the effort to go the .22 route.
Yes it is a threaded barrel 1/2-28. It is a Browning Buckmark 22LR with a Tactical Solutions threaded fluted barrel, comp and top rail. I bought a Silencerco "Sparrow" for it. MSP only run the criminal check through the MD department of corrections and the FBI. The FBI has no other involvement.
Quote from: fastwin on July 26, 2011, 06:28:25 PM
I believe the FBI has an interest too.
Does it have a threaded barrel? It's hard for me to tell if the barrel comp is threaded on or not. If I ever got a muffled gun it would be a .22. [thumbsup] Probably a 10/22. Using sub sonic rounds all you hear is the bolt slapping. My MP5 has a 3 lug barrel but I'd still make the effort to go the .22 route.
The can I bought is rated for full auto as well. I see a full auto 10/22 build comming up!
I've been jonesin' for a muffled 10/22 for years. Don't care if it's auto, just want one that's hushed. I've got a couple of friends with muffled 10/22s and .22 auto pistols with cans and they are fun times 10!! [thumbsup] Hope yours goes through easy and fast. [wine] Over the years mine have taken 3-6 months. I have always envisioned my paperwork stacked up on someones desk for months collecting dust until they snap to and grind through the stack. Hurry up and wait! [laugh]
I just got a letter from the state saying that my criminal history check has been completed ;D. No history was found [evil]
Quote from: ducrider45 on July 27, 2011, 03:02:31 PM
I just got a letter from the state saying that my criminal history check has been completed ;D. No history was found [evil]
Is that a reflection of you or the laziness of the stereotypical gov't worker doing the checks? [evil]
;D
But [thumbsup]
[laugh] [laugh] Hey, I was a gov't worker once! >:( If I cleared anybody can!! ;D ;)
Quote from: Bick on July 27, 2011, 03:13:23 PM
Is that a reflection of you or the laziness of the stereotypical gov't worker doing the checks? [evil]
;D
But [thumbsup]
No comment [evil]
[thumbsup]
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011/07/28/cremated-ashes-as-ammunition/ (http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011/07/28/cremated-ashes-as-ammunition/)
The comments section has what I'd consider an unlikely number of people who seem to think this is all kinds of awesome.
Takes all kinds, right? [coffee]
1250.00 to drop some of grandma into 250 shotgun shells
I'm no expert but 1250.00 should get you fairly well equipped in the reloading game and you could load as much of granny as you wanted
Quote from: zarn02 on July 28, 2011, 10:43:02 PM
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011/07/28/cremated-ashes-as-ammunition/ (http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011/07/28/cremated-ashes-as-ammunition/)
The comments section has what I'd consider an unlikely number of people who seem to think this is all kinds of awesome.
Takes all kinds, right? [coffee]
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/apr/04/drugsandalcohol.musicnews (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/apr/04/drugsandalcohol.musicnews)
I swage custom jacketed rifle bullets and I considered offering that as a service - I could swage some ashes between two layers of lead inside the bullet jacket. Thought it might be a profitable service for gangland revenge bullets or something.
Quote from: WarrenJ on July 29, 2011, 05:52:24 AM
I swage custom jacketed rifle bullets and I considered offering that as a service - I could swage some ashes between two layers of lead inside the bullet jacket. Thought it might be a profitable service for gangland revenge bullets or something.
get a contract with the DoD for swaging some pork rinds into the bullet jacket...
lol, that's funny.
I remember a youtube vid of some guys in the sandbox dipping bullets into canned ham.
http://beta.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=443992 (http://beta.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=443992)
In case you run out of pork flavored bullets....
Well that's... special.
Makes a great stocking stuffer!
Well just saw this topic, okay I have just recently started reading the no moto. :) for myself, I own a Norinco M-305 aka M-14S, CZ-858 aka CZ 58 with FAB stock, SKS Russian Model with Tapco stock plus other goodies, surprisingly accurate for a cheap old rifle! No hand guns, but I shoot them lots, looking into a Sig Sauer P226, my favourite so far and I have shot others!
Soon. [evil]
(http://www.jallenenterprises.com/images/jae100g3_overview.jpg)
Quote from: Duc796canada on August 03, 2011, 10:13:25 PM
Well just saw this topic, okay I have just recently started reading the no moto. :) for myself, I own a Norinco M-305 aka M-14S, CZ-858 aka CZ 58 with FAB stock, SKS Russian Model with Tapco stock plus other goodies, surprisingly accurate for a cheap old rifle! No hand guns, but I shoot them lots, looking into a Sig Sauer P226, my favourite so far and I have shot others!
yeah, our lucky bastard neighbors up north still get the Norinco stuff.. www.marstar.ca (//http://)
all of the fun Norinco stuff stopped in either 89 or 94. I used to have a Norinco M14, and sold it to Walk Kuleck, of all people..
Those JAE/LRB combos have had my attention for some time. Want!
Quote from: ducatiz on August 04, 2011, 05:00:01 AM
yeah, our lucky bastard neighbors up north still get the Norinco stuff.. www.marstar.ca (//http://) (//http://) (//http://)
all of the fun Norinco stuff stopped in either 89 or 94. I used to have a Norinco M14, and sold it to Walk Kuleck, of all people..
I hear Kuleck severed his relationship with Clint over at Fulton Armory....must have been taking a beating pimping and shilling for him
No! Really? What was the complaint abt Clint?
Soft bolts and brittle receivers
Quote from: RAT900 on August 04, 2011, 06:35:51 AM
Soft bolts and brittle receivers
That's ridiculous. Those receivers were investment cast and should absolutely not be brittle unless the hardening process wasn't done correctly -- they don't do those in-house either.
Springfields current M1A receivers are investment cast in the same way, as are ALL of Ruger's guns now. They need to have a chat with their QA.
The bolts are another issue. There is a history of soft bolts on a variety of makes. The biggest complaint about the Polytech/Norinco M14s was soft bolts. Their receivers though -- wow. Probably the best made except for the original US armory stuff.
Wen to range today. Shot some200 round of 22s and 100 of each 9 and 40snw.. first time shooting 40, was a berreta.. had some kick to it.. fun times..
Quote from: ducatiz on August 04, 2011, 07:19:16 AM
That's ridiculous. Those receivers were investment cast and should absolutely not be brittle unless the hardening process wasn't done correctly -- they don't do those in-house either.
Springfields current M1A receivers are investment cast in the same way, as are ALL of Ruger's guns now. They need to have a chat with their QA.
The bolts are another issue. There is a history of soft bolts on a variety of makes. The biggest complaint about the Polytech/Norinco M14s was soft bolts. Their receivers though -- wow. Probably the best made except for the original US armory stuff.
I think he may have been having some QC issues with whomever he is using for Heat-Treat/ Case Hardening....brittle is over-cooking and soft well as you know under-cooking...
but the receiver complaint could also have been due to a bad pour...like there was a graining in the alloy and the leg snapped along the grain when the guy dropped it onto his work bench
IIRC mil-spec case hardening for bolts and receivers was .0012-.0018
it was beaten thoroughly over on the TFL M14 site
I am about a 15 minute drive over to LRB so all my receiver purchases are hammer-forged....and done right
it is nice when personal quality principles and convenience intersect
I love the LRB receivers but $$$$ wow..
I have a complete USGI parts kit -- NIW. I just need a barreled receiver for it. Sarco had some a while back (ohhhh,, like 5 years?).... and I want a double lugged model so I am in line for $$$$$$.some day..
Don't bother with a double-lug...the rear lug only is fine....
when you add the front lug it becomes a tuning nightmare getting the pressure right between the fore-lug and the rear....
the rear lug alone will get you extra life and match time out of your bedding job
anyway the whole key to accuracy with those confounding rifles is a stable receiver bedding, a good barrel
with a flawless relationship established between the front band's lip and the stock ferule
with the right amount of pressure/tension on the barrel
only other trick worth trying is playing with (shortening) the length of the gas piston stem
to increase the dwell/delay time before the piston hits the op-rod face
there's a lot of moving junk hung on those barrels, the longer you can keep it quiet/or still,,,, the better the bullet launch :)
Nice iron here
SOCOM 16 M1-A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6ybkiUl30Q&feature=digest#)
I've always liked those...
I love mine.
I have an old Springfield "Bush" rifle..Probably 1970-75 or so. They came with a funky folding stock, I have never seen another one like it. The muzzle device is different from the M1A.
I'll post pics, to this day, only a dozen people have even heard of them. They were a one year deal. Springfield INC has made a sort of tribute to them with the "Socom" model, but mine doesn't have the scope mount or the whiz-bang muzzle device. But it does have that weirdo folding stock. I think they were copied by Choate later on.
Quote from: ducatiz on August 07, 2011, 05:50:59 AM
I have an old Springfield "Bush" rifle..Probably 1970-75 or so. They came with a funky folding stock, I have never seen another one like it. The muzzle device is different from the M1A.
I'll post pics, to this day, only a dozen people have even heard of them. They were a one year deal. Springfield INC has made a sort of tribute to them with the "Socom" model, but mine doesn't have the scope mount or the whiz-bang muzzle device. But it does have that weirdo folding stock. I think they were copied by Choate later on.
do post some photos...is it a pre-Geneseo rifle?
Exactly. they commissioned a folder stock and used the short barrel. I think the only other differences are the NM sights and the short muzzle device.
Quote from: ducatiz on August 07, 2011, 11:01:25 AM
Exactly. they commissioned a folder stock and used the short barrel. I think the only other differences are the NM sights and the short muzzle device.
Is it a Devine Tx. marked barrel or Radium Tx?....that is indeed a pretty rare specimen esp so if it is Devine marked...or even Radium marked
PICTURES!!
I had a friend years ago that had one of the best shooting M1As (that wasn't a massaged NM gun) I have ever shot. It was a Devine, TX rifle and I even had a chance to buy it long ago. I have make the beast with two backsed up worse since then but not buying that rifle still ranks high on my personal make the beast with two backs up list. [bang] :P
I have a semi modern (80s) "bush" rifle. It came with a factory woodland camo fiberglass stock. Fun shooting rifle. I also grabbed one of those metal folding stocks at a gun show years ago. Haven't seen one since. Not sure why I got it. Bought it for the "bush" rifle but never put the two together. Honestly don't think shooting a .308 with it would be any fun. Damn sure wasn't with my H&K 91A3. [roll]
Quote from: RAT900 on August 07, 2011, 11:57:39 AM
Is it a Devine Tx. marked barrel or Radium Tx?....that is indeed a pretty rare specimen esp so if it is Devine marked...or even Radium marked
PICTURES!!
So I have it right here, can't find the camera.
It's not a pre Geneseo gun -- It's an early one with a Geneseo receiver but all USGI parts -- almost all TRW and H&R marked that I can see.
I knew it was an early one, but I should have realized anything after 68 is going to be Geneseo. It came with two stocks, the folder and a plastic/steel one. Both have the same black crinkle finish and the folder is market "CMT" -- Choate Machine & Tool.
Barrel is marked H&R. The serial number "003xxx" puts it in the Valley Ordnance range.
Sorry to get your wood up.
Quote from: fastwin on August 07, 2011, 01:36:17 PM
I had a friend years ago that had one of the best shooting M1As (that wasn't a massaged NM gun) I have ever shot. It was a Devine, TX rifle and I even had a chance to buy it long ago. I have make the beast with two backsed up worse since then but not buying that rifle still ranks high on my personal make the beast with two backs up list. [bang] :P
I have a semi modern (80s) "bush" rifle. It came with a factory woodland camo fiberglass stock. Fun shooting rifle. I also grabbed one of those metal folding stocks at a gun show years ago. Haven't seen one since. Not sure why I got it. Bought it for the "bush" rifle but never put the two together. Honestly don't think shooting a .308 with it would be any fun. Damn sure wasn't with my H&K 91A3. [roll]
yeah I hear ya....my 2 greatest moments of ordnance material stupidity were when I sold my 2 SIG AMT rifles
I had a SIG AMT too and a PE57. Sold both to pay for other toys. Try finding PE57 ammo in a hurry when you need it! [bang] The fact I had collected and hoarded surplus ammo for it helped with the sale.
As a confession and a "don't do as I did" example, my only AD I have ever had was with my AMT in my garage. Thought the mag I had inserted was empty before I dry fired the rifle... it wasn't. [roll] It had one round in it. At least I followed other safety rules. I aimed the rifle at my Browning Pro-Steel safe across the garage when it went bang. Ever wonder how loud a .308 is in a garage without ear protection? You don't wanna know. >:( That dent on my safe's door is a constant reminder to try and not make the beast with two backs up again. End of lesson.
Quote from: fastwin on July 03, 2011, 05:36:16 PM
What's wrong with a stock 1911 slide release? Millions of owners want to know? ;D And there are aftermarket extended ones if needed.
Quote from: fastwin on July 04, 2011, 09:31:42 AM
Yeah, just not getting the 1911 slide release problem. Although I certainly believe there is one for DarkStar. But I've got small/medium size hands at best and I'm right handed and I just don't have a problem at all hitting the slide release with my right thumb. And no, I don't shift my grip. Of course you could also try inserting a fresh magazine and with your left hand just pull back and release the slide and let it go into battery. I often use this technique on my Glocks. They even have a smaller release (except the 34/35s) than the 1911. But then again, if an extended release would work better for you then so be it! [thumbsup] No biggie. 1911s are great pistols, there is no end of goodies out there to make it exactly what you want. Well worth the effort in the end.
FYI: You were right. It's not an issue. I now just find myself racking the slide back by hand rather than using the slide release. [thumbsup]
Quote from: Monsterlover on August 06, 2011, 09:45:46 AM
Nice iron here
SOCOM 16 M1-A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6ybkiUl30Q&feature=digest#)
I can't wait till I can pick mine up. Stupid 10 day waiting period. [bang]
Sweetness!! Glad you found a way to make the 1911 slide thing work for you! [thumbsup] [beer] Whatever works for you and makes the gun your friend is all good. Everyone is different and what works for me may not work for you. Scooters are the same. [Dolph] Some folks never get the 1911 or Hi-Power gig. For those that do it's kind of an epiphany in the world of shooting. Still no big deal if you never get it. So many choices out there and so little time. ;D
Update on NFA/ class III purchase. I just got my form 4's back from the state police. I'm on my way to the dealer now to drop them off and pay for the tax stamp. It will only be a few weeks now before Ill have my suppressor on the range.
Mossy 500 with a chainsaw grip.. [roll]
Mossberg 500 Chainsaw Zombie Killer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jyTh4fPCDfI#)
Quote from: ducrider45 on August 10, 2011, 11:06:38 AM
Update on NFA/ class III purchase. I just got my form 4's back from the state police. I'm on my way to the dealer now to drop them off and pay for the tax stamp. It will only be a few weeks now before Ill have my suppressor on the range.
Some form 4's are taking 6 months to turn around. My last stamp took 67 days. They took 3 full weeks to cash the check [bang]
Quote from: zach on August 10, 2011, 11:35:28 AM
Some form 4's are taking 6 months to turn around. My last stamp took 67 days. They took 3 full weeks to cash the check [bang]
Treasury must not need the money...
Quote from: ducatiz on August 10, 2011, 11:22:15 AM
Mossy 500 with a chainsaw grip.. [roll]
Mossberg 500 Chainsaw Zombie Killer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jyTh4fPCDfI#)
That looks fun, but not useful.
Yeah, I don't really get the Mossberg "chainsaw." A cheesy way to address a problem that's already been solved for hundreds of years.
If you find the weapon uncontrollable, or can't hit shit shooting from the hip, maybe you should put a stock on it and aim. [roll]
[laugh]
that makes too much sense
Every so often I would have a student show up to my old defensive/offensive shotgun class with a pistol grip only scattergun. We would have a little discussion and fellowship regarding the use of a full stock shotgun vs pistol grip only. Most of the time they would park their shotgun and use one of my full stock loaners. Sometimes they would insist on using their version. Usually about one or two drills into it they'd be hitting me up for a loaner. They would often return for day two with a brand new shiny full stock on their shotgun. That whole aiming the weapon at your target thing took on a new meaning. Hip shooting looks good in the movies. ;D
Here is my home defence. Notice the Mossburg 500 [thumbsup]
(http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/ducrider45/000_0002.jpg)
The target acquisition time was awesome! He had to look around his hand for each shot [clap] [laugh]
Quote from: ducrider45 on August 11, 2011, 12:48:58 PM
The target acquisition time was awesome! He had to look around his hand for each shot [clap] [laugh]
It might've been better if he weren't so drunk.
Quote from: ducrider45 on August 11, 2011, 12:44:31 PM
Here is my home defence. Notice the Mossburg 500 [thumbsup]
(http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/ducrider45/000_0002.jpg)
you've got a nice setup there. i love the mini, i should get one someday.
is that a P94? I like that stock on the 500. I rarely see them with a wood stock anymore. I have the same sidesaddle setup on mine.
Quote from: ducatiz on August 11, 2011, 12:50:35 PM
you've got a nice setup there. i love the mini, i should get one someday.
is that a P94? I like that stock on the 500. I rarely see them with a wood stock anymore. I have the same sidesaddle setup on mine.
It is a P89. That was my first pistol. I have several now. The mini was dirt cheap. I got it for less than $400. They are very fun. The side by side was taken from a bum in DC. Poor guy should have never pulled it out. But I do enjoy free guns!
^
gonna need to hear that back story. . .
PM read.
Jebus dude!
Close one.
I take it the gentleman gave ducrider45 the side by side out of kindness and good spirit. ;D
Man your gonna have to pm everybody now lol
Quote from: cokey on August 12, 2011, 01:57:34 PM
Man your gonna have to pm everybody now lol
No shit.
(http://todayscliche.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Picture-54.png)
Lets just say a hammer was taken to a gun fight and it won.
Yup, thats what happened.
Quote from: fastwin on August 12, 2011, 01:44:30 PM
I take it the gentleman gave ducrider45 the side by side out of kindness and good spirit. ;D
Thats what I remember [cheeky]
Quote from: cokey on August 12, 2011, 01:57:34 PM
Man your gonna have to pm everybody now lol
PM's sent
That was one bad ass hammer. Gotta get me one of those full auto assault hammers. ;D
Want.
AA-12 Fully Automatic Shotgun!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOoUVeyaY_8#)
Might want to invest in a shot shell reloading setup ;)
Quote from: rgramjet on August 17, 2011, 06:19:33 AM
Want.
AA-12 Fully Automatic Shotgun!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOoUVeyaY_8#)
If you gave me a choice, I'd want the USAS12 over the AA12 any day.
Watch this big old boy bounce with the shots
USAS-12 Shotgun (At the Range) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HbyPBKGVaM#)
Good read.. http://www.chuckhawks.com/ammo_by_anonymous.htm (http://www.chuckhawks.com/ammo_by_anonymous.htm)
Quote from: cokey on August 17, 2011, 08:25:26 AM
Good read.. http://www.chuckhawks.com/ammo_by_anonymous.htm (http://www.chuckhawks.com/ammo_by_anonymous.htm)
"Lastly, your attacker is safer because he is far less likely to die from one or two hollowpoint bullets than the five or six round-nose slugs you would have had to fire to put him down. Most gunshot deaths occur from shock and loss of blood, and ball rounds tend to make entry and exit wounds, whereas hollowpoints go in and stay put. An attacker shot twice with ball ammo will probably have four holes in him rather than two, and is thus in far greater danger of death from blood loss. If you can avoid killing your attacker you should, for both moral and legal reasons"you have got to be shitting me
Quote from: Jacob on August 17, 2011, 09:17:19 AM
"Lastly, your attacker is safer because he is far less likely to die from one or two hollowpoint bullets than the five or six round-nose slugs you would have had to fire to put him down. Most gunshot deaths occur from shock and loss of blood, and ball rounds tend to make entry and exit wounds, whereas hollowpoints go in and stay put. An attacker shot twice with ball ammo will probably have four holes in him rather than two, and is thus in far greater danger of death from blood loss. If you can avoid killing your attacker you should, for both moral and legal reasons"
you have got to be shitting me
yeah, that's a weird statement. for legal reasons, you want him dead. dead men tell no tales.
and the "hollowpoints don't make exit holes" claim is garbage. they can exit and do make holes, and when they do, they are usually a little bigger than the entry hole and that's after making a huge cavity inside and pushing all the innards around rudely, especially when firing at "social work" ranges.
Yea that's another reason I posted it.. some of it sounded fishy..
I don't hunt deer anymore but from all the ones I have shot over the years (with .223, .308 and .30-06 hollow points) all of them had nice small entry wounds and many of them had gaping exit wounds. Proper shoulder shots to hit the heart/lung area did not create huge exit wounds since a full size white tail or mule deer is pretty thick in that area but they still were impressive. But the few I shot though and through in the neck were just plain ugly.
Like ducks (no pun intended ;D) I'd rather look at deer now days rather than hunt them. Dove and quail are another story. [evil] But to say all hollow points go in and stay put is a little hard to swallow. With either bullet type some nasty shit is going on inside. [puke] Thank you but I'd rather not be hit with either one. ;)
Quote from: fastwin on August 17, 2011, 03:02:22 PM
I don't hunt deer anymore but from all the ones I have shot over the years (with .223, .308 and .30-06 hollow points) all of them had nice small entry wounds and many of them had gaping exit wounds.
+1
Could it be the lower grain ammo or less volicity which wouldn't exit? My guess is placement.. chest cavity is a lot harder then shoulder..
I've only seen 2 gsw's that didn't produce an exit
a .22 to the chest - point blank
and
a 9mm to the tricep - 30+meters
Man shoots self while driving on interstate in Tennessee (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44183219/ns/us_news-weird_news/) [coffee]
Quote from: zarn02 on August 19, 2011, 01:41:42 PM
Man shoots self while driving on interstate in Tennessee (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44183219/ns/us_news-weird_news/) [coffee]
so the dumbass out-dumbassed himself.
Wow. Shot himself in BOTH legs and gets busted for drugs. [bang] This puts him in secure running for one of those Darwin awards! [laugh] [thumbsup]
On a more positive note, just got one of my heavy barrel ARs and my Rem 700 PSS (both in .223) bore sighted. Did some scope moving on one and changed scopes on the other. They'll be going on my dove hunt week after next. I'm going several days before opening day so I'll have plenty of time to get them doped in.
The weather has been so hot and dry in west TX I am assuming the dove hunting will be slim to none. Soooo... we'll be baiting the hog traps and deer feeders with corn to see if we can rustle up some feral hog action. Three years ago my friend who owns the ranch caught 11 hogs at one time in the big trap!!! Eleven!!! All were in the 50-75 lb range. Good eating size. [thumbsup] You want to try something really hard. Try shooting 11 wild hogs in a steel re-bar trap sometime. They are literally bouncing off the top of the trap and over each other before you ever pull the trigger on the first one! [bang] Then all hell breaks loose!
I got stuck doing the pig shooting a few years earlier when he caught three at one time in the same big trap. They were in the 150+ lb range. I had a Glock 23 with me so I got voted pig killer. It took me 10 minutes to get off those three head shots! I was scared they would zig or zag the second I pulled the trigger and I would bounce a .40S&W hollow point off the steel cage! I got it done but when he trapped 11 smaller ones I said I'm passing on this job. Had all the fun I wanted last time. :P More fun/sporting at 100 yds. with a scoped rifle. [thumbsup]
Thinking about putting a can on the SR-15.
Cans are good clean fun. [thumbsup] I don't have one but I have LEO friends that have them. My MP5 has a 3 lug barrel but I have never gone to the trouble to snuff it. I have always had an interest in a muffled .22. Those are way fun! ;D
wow http://jalopnik.com/5836525/this-is-what-its-like-to-be-shot-at-with-an-ak+47 (http://jalopnik.com/5836525/this-is-what-its-like-to-be-shot-at-with-an-ak+47)
Damn!!! He barely even flinched.
I don't care how many times I saw the glass stop a bullet I'm not sure I'd ever volunteer to stand behind the glass like that.
:o
whoa
AK full auto conversion - DIAS/LL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMIIC_MIxMA#)
not sure that's the best thing to post...
under the new realm of liberties granted to the Gov't under Homeland Security
at the expense of the citizenry's civil liberties
It's on Youtube -- a guy in germany. If you watch the video, he states (and the receivers shows) it's a bona fide AK-47 with the happy switch.
He apparently has a license to have full auto (in Germany)
Quote from: ducatiz on September 02, 2011, 12:16:29 PM
He apparently has a license to have full auto (in Germany)
That's no easy feat.
Quote from: RAT900 on September 02, 2011, 11:30:51 AM
not sure that's the best thing to post...
under the new realm of liberties granted to the Gov't under Homeland Security
at the expense of the citizenry's civil liberties
Please don't get my thread locked. OK? [thumbsup]
+11tyb
I'm pretty sure explaining how a mechanism works is still okay.
And with that in mind...
How does bursting work? It has to be some sort of ratchet or cam or something, right? Anybody know well enough to explain, or have some interwebs I can look at?
Quote from: zarn02 on September 02, 2011, 08:34:36 PM
I'm pretty sure explaining how a mechanism works is still okay.
And with that in mind...
How does bursting work? It has to be some sort of ratchet or cam or something, right? Anybody know well enough to explain, or have some interwebs I can look at?
All of the 3-round burst setups use a spring loaded rotary cam which has 3 detents or teeth. When you select burst, it moves the sear disconnect so that the burst cam interferes, but each time the sear resets, the cam turns, just like a clock gear.
When it gets past the last tooth, there is nothing holding the sear, so it doesn't reset and the hammer is held back as in semi auto mode.
When you take your finger off the trigger, the cam spins back to the start.
I think only the Hungarians figured out how to use that setup in an AK.
Just saying....we had a couple of legitimate Gun Shop dealers here on Lawng Islant busted by the DA
for explaining to undercover customers how they could remove the pins on collapsing stock AR's
and how to replace the rest of the evil black gun features...NY still being a 1994 ban at the state level
JUST EXPLAINING to them
But that's explaining how to illegally modify a weapon.
This gentleman seemed to be simply explaining how a legal weapon functioned.
Also, thanks ducatiz for the burst explanation. [thumbsup]
Well I would agree except that one could assume the customer was moving to a no-ban state
and was curious about putting the rifle back to normal config
Almost done...Haven't even fired it yet though. :-\
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/hundredpercentkill/Guns/538ca710.jpg)
Love those M1As. [thumbsup] My buggered up shoulder likes .223 better than .308 these days but I still dig the M1A rifles! Can't make out details in the pic, what did you use for a mount and scope?
Quote from: fastwin on September 03, 2011, 08:55:53 AM
Love those M1As. [thumbsup] My buggered up shoulder likes .223 better than .308 these days but I still dig the M1A rifles! Can't make out details in the pic, what did you use for a mount and scope?
Mount is a SWAN or a copy of one
I'm thinking about rounding out my collection with a varmint rifle. Leaning toward a Remington 700 in .308, but there are too many models to choose from. If you were picking a rifle to take out to the range a few times a year and possibly do some hunting in the future, what would you go with? Granted, a scope would have to be part of the package.
Ultimately, I'd really prefer an AR-15 but I'm not willing to make the concessions that CA requires.
Quote from: sugarcrook on September 03, 2011, 08:25:50 PM
I'm thinking about rounding out my collection with a varmint rifle. Leaning toward a Remington 700 in .308, but there are too many models to choose from. If you were picking a rifle to take out to the range a few times a year and possibly do some hunting in the future, what would you go with? Granted, a scope would have to be part of the package.
Ultimately, I'd really prefer an AR-15 but I'm not willing to make the concessions that CA requires.
I did a "Lego" project starting with a nib Remington 700 SPS Tactical short barrel in .308.
Jewell Trigger
HS Precision Pol/Snip Aluminum bed bloc stock
HS Precision 10 Round Mag and floor plate
20 MOA Picatinny Rail
Leupold Mark4 4.5x14 Tac Scope
Harris Bipod
with hand loads the thing is scarier better than I am,
at minimum out to 500 yards
at 100-200 yards it is boring.... popping sub-moa clusters all day
I have been thinking of building up a companion SPS shorty in .223
Best heads ever for .223 that I have tried in my AR (with an Armalite tube) are the Sierra 60 grain varmint heads
better than anything in their entire SMK line-up
Quote from: sugarcrook on September 03, 2011, 08:25:50 PM
I'm thinking about rounding out my collection with a varmint rifle. Leaning toward a Remington 700 in .308, but there are too many models to choose from. If you were picking a rifle to take out to the range a few times a year and possibly do some hunting in the future, what would you go with? Granted, a scope would have to be part of the package.
Ultimately, I'd really prefer an AR-15 but I'm not willing to make the concessions that CA requires.
Cz 550 varmint in .308
Quote from: ducpainter on September 04, 2011, 04:19:57 AM
Cz 550 varmint in .308
Wanting to make sure those prairie dogs stay down are you? :D
Quote from: DRKWNG on September 04, 2011, 04:26:27 AM
Wanting to make sure those prairie dogs stay down are you? :D
The op wants .308 :-\
I'd choose .223 in the faster twist so you could use heavier projectiles
Quote from: ducpainter on September 04, 2011, 04:30:01 AM
The op wants .308 :-\
Just busting your chops a bit.
Quote from: ducpainter on September 04, 2011, 04:30:01 AM
I'd choose .223 in the faster twist so you could use heavier projectiles
Or something in .25-06 if you really want to reach out there.
Quote from: DRKWNG on September 04, 2011, 04:37:30 AM
Just busting your chops a bit.
Or something in .25-06 if you really want to reach out there.
I'd need both pairs of glasses and the best scope...
And still couldn't see 'out there'.
Remington PSS in .308 if you don't mind HEAVY.
Might be selling mine.
I would stick with 5.56 or similar for a varmint rifle. 308 is just too much. People use .17hmr for prairie dogs.
My long prairie dog shot was 820 with a 30-06. We just got back from Wyoming a couple of weeks ago. My wife shot two consecutively at 550 with her Rem VTR in 308. I've shot them with everything from 22 short, 17 HMR to 50 BMG.
Day in, day out though a fast twist 223 is a darn good dog gun.
Even if you don't have a bad shoulder an afternoon of .308 will keep Advil's profits in the black. ;) Sold my .308 Rem 700 PSS years ago but kept the .223 version. I have never regretted it since I'm not a long range shooter nor do I deer hunt anymore. I have an older Steyr SSG and a couple of M1As if I absolutely have to shoot a .308.
rgramjet, good luck with the .308 700 PSS if you decide to sell it. Those are still very popular rifles. [thumbsup]
I hadn't considered the .223 but it makes sense. Thanks for the input.
Most 223's with a 1 in 9 twist barrel will stabilize up to a 75 grain bullet (depending on actual bullet length, velocity, etc)
The 75 grain Hornady A-Max is a decent long range 223 bullet that won't break the bank. The 75 Grain Swift Sirocco is virtually the same bullet ballistically but it will actually work ok on deer size game with good shot placement. I've shot 10" groups at 1000 with a 1 in 7" twist rifle shooting 80 grain low drag bullets I made. They have very little energy at that distance but if conditions are not too extreme, they will get there.
On the lighter end of the spectrum, I have loaded and shot thousands of the Hornady 55 grain soft point bullets with the cannalure. I get them bulk by the 1000. Out to 300 (or out to 500 or so in ideal conditions) these bullets are great. Very accurate and good varmint performance. They also cost about a third of the premium bullets.
A fast twist 223 with good low drag bullets can get hits way out there. It is astounding how many people have went to the 223 for Hi-Power Across the Course competition where you shoot at 200, 300 and 600. The 223 makes the 2 and 300 yard rapid fire strings so much easier.
I still shoot my 30-06 for Hi-Power but it is pretty much a dinosaur, although I still have my NRA Expert Rating with it.
Quote from: ducatiz on September 04, 2011, 09:35:02 AM
People use .17hmr for prairie dogs.
Most folks I know use that or a .22mag
youz guyz is crazy
Quote from: WarrenJ on September 04, 2011, 10:47:34 AM
My long prairie dog shot was 820 with a 30-06. We just got back from Wyoming a couple of weeks ago. My wife shot two consecutively at 550 with her Rem VTR in 308. I've shot them with everything from 22 short, 17 HMR to 50 BMG.
Day in, day out though a fast twist 223 is a darn good dog gun.
Tell me more about when a prairie dog meets a 50bmg. . .
Just freshly plowed dirt with some "stuff" in and around it. Breaks them down into their basic amino acids.
A friend of mine used to build 50s and I did most of the demo shooting for him. I really don't care to shoot them much as the shockwave off the muzzlebrakes makes me nauseaus and gives me headaches after a short while. One private match we used to shoot was fired from inside a barn haymow where the benches were set up. Every time someone would shoot, the old hay chaff that had settled between the floorboards would fly up about 3". The noise and shockwave confined in the building was intense.
50's are not to be taken lightly. The power and range of those rifles is so far beyond normal smallarms that most public ranges cannot safely handle them and people shooting them outside purpose built ranges at least East of the Mississippi are courting disaster. If you have a 50, you better really understand what you are doing if you intend to be at all safe.
I had a guy on the bench next to me yesterday shooting 300win magnum
He had a side-venting muzzle brake
I thought my retinas were going to detach
I had to move to a different bench during target check cease fire
I never found myself wanting a .50....
I figured if I was headed in that direction I would skip a level;
and move to a more advanced sporting weapon like a GE Mini-gun or Phalanx CIWS system
My buddy that built the 50's made some reloading presses and dies for some people that were wildcatting the 20mm down to 50 cal. I have no idea how it worked but - WOW!
Had a chance to shoot a .50bmg single shot rifle that an instructor had. He was running a long range rifle class when I was running a shotgun class on the other side of the range. I passed. Still don't regret it. Impressive stuff though. That rifle range went to 800 yards and the instructor made it seem like he was shooting a .223 at 200 yards. Always nice to watch someone who knows what they're doing... shooting, welding, cooking, etc. [thumbsup]
I want to shot again.. ny so expensive though ($ tight), az was so cheap it was crazy.. lot of places charge per bullet out here..
Ranges charge per bullet fired? That's crazy! [bang] The indoor and outdoor ranges where I occasionally shoot just charge a range fee (there's a charge for their paper targets) and you could stay there all day and shoot as much ammo as you can carry. That's why I like shooting at my farm and my buddy's ranch in west TX. It's very reasonably priced. ;D
Yea, they charge to use their ammo.. in the city itself I believe you can't shoot u less licensed. Going out though you can.. even a spot vin PA charged per bullet.. I need to get my damn license all ready but the pistol one is too much right now.. 150$ for the shotgun/rifle one is decent so ill be going that route till I'm out of ny..
Quote from: DarkStaR on September 02, 2011, 11:09:21 PM
Almost done...Haven't even fired it yet though. :-\
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/hundredpercentkill/Guns/538ca710.jpg)
Quote from: fastwin on September 03, 2011, 08:55:53 AM
Love those M1As. [thumbsup] My buggered up shoulder likes .223 better than .308 these days but I still dig the M1A rifles! Can't make out details in the pic, what did you use for a mount and scope?
Quote from: ducatiz on September 03, 2011, 02:17:31 PM
Mount is a SWAN or a copy of one
Sorry pic is shitty. Need to find the charger to the GF's camera. :P
So far:
SAI Standard 22" M1A
Sadlak Spring Guide
Sadlak Mag Release
Sadlak Airborne Scope Mount
Leupold Rings
Leupold VX-R 4-12x40 Scope
Next mod is going to be the JAE-100 Stock. [thumbsup]
It's heavy already, and will just get heavier... :-\
(like my opinion matters)
that rifle looks awesome as is, that JAE-100 strap-on ninja stock will ruin it
(I like wood)
Quote from: cokey on September 05, 2011, 11:35:02 AM
Yea, they charge to use their ammo.. in the city itself I believe you can't shoot u less licensed. Going out though you can.. even a spot vin PA charged per bullet.. I need to get my damn license all ready but the pistol one is too much right now.. 150$ for the shotgun/rifle one is decent so ill be going that route till I'm out of ny..
Move to Texas! [thumbsup] [laugh]
Quote from: Jacob on September 06, 2011, 03:13:33 AM
(like my opinion matters)
that rifle looks awesome as is, that JAE-100 strap-on ninja stock will ruin it
(I like wood)
Yeah, I'm 50-50 so far. I'm going to see if I can get some add-ons to help get a better cheak weld before i go that route, chin weld doesnt seem to consistant.
That is certainly one of the main problems with hanging a scope on an M1A. The ergos just go right out the window. I put a scout scope and a cheekpiece on my Socom to check accuracy but it detracted from the handiness of the rifle so much I went back to irons. I can consistently hit a 10" plate at 300 with the Socom and irons sitting with cross sticks. In my book, that fulfulls the mission of that particular rifle.
I was toying around with the idea of building a JAE/LRB rifle that could have good ergos with optics and a far more sound scope mounting system than most standard M1A's. The problem is if the weight gets out of hand, the only real utility it has is to show off at the range.
Never have scoped my M1As or my FALs. Wanted to, but just never did.
I forgot to add my FALs to the .308 list in my earlier post. FALs and M1As are very different animals but equals in a weird sort of way... at least to me. Iron sighted, big bore, battle rifles in a Garand kind of way. Too bad the right shoulder is toast. They'd get more playing time otherwise. [thumbsup]
Learn to shoot lefty...
Quote from: fastwin on September 06, 2011, 03:23:28 PM
Never have scoped my M1As or my FALs. Wanted to, but just never did.
I forgot to add my FALs to the .308 list in my earlier post. FALs and M1As are very different animals but equals in a weird sort of way... at least to me. Iron sighted, big bore, battle rifles in a Garand kind of way. Too bad the right shoulder is toast. They'd get more playing time otherwise. [thumbsup]
If that ends up being the case, one of these will be in its future.
(http://www.jprifles.com/cart_pix/ph/1098.jpg)
Some users are reporting recoil reduction down to .223 range.
Can they make one twice that big? [laugh] Beats major shoulder surgery! ;D
Quote from: fastwin on September 06, 2011, 08:15:27 PM
Can they make one twice that big? [laugh] Beats major shoulder surgery! ;D
yup...well close to 2x as big in the large profile version. :P
http://www.jprifles.com/1.4.3_tre.php (http://www.jprifles.com/1.4.3_tre.php)
and these too.
http://www.jprifles.com/1.4.2_re.php (http://www.jprifles.com/1.4.2_re.php)
I have a custom mauser in 416 Taylor (458 Win necked down to 416) with a brake - its about like shooting a sporter weight 30-06. Real noisy but pretty pleasant for such a heavy hitter. (400 grains at 2400 fps)
I don't know if Bruce McCarther still makes brakes in Michigan, but they were the best I've ever used. My wife and I both shot a 14 lb bullpup 50 BMG with his brake and it was about like shooting a 12 Ga slug. It kicked but a can't imagine shooting that rifle without it.
His brakes were pretty complex with several chambers and in inverted cone inside that stripped off the expanding gasses.
His 375 H&H kicked a little less than a 308.
There are a couple brakes out there that claim to redirect the noise forward which helps keep the greatly increased muzzle signature down. I don't have any personal experience with them but they are the VAIS brake and the ANSWER brake. Worth looking into. IIRC, VAIS is in Texas and they install their brakes pretty reasonably.
If you're just benching the M1a, between a heavy barrel, muzzle brake, lead shot in the stock holes and a scope you can turn it into a dead weight with pretty nominal recoil...more weight, more inertia
May need a cart or an assistant to get it from the car to the bench tho [cheeky]
Recently picked up a stainless Walther PPK/S. Fun little pistol.
Quote from: sugarcrook on September 08, 2011, 01:58:49 PM
Recently picked up a stainless Walther PPK/S. Fun little pistol.
.32 or .380?
.380
Kiss the web of your shooting hand goodbye. [roll] PPKs, PPK/S, stock, full spurred hammer 1911s and Hi-Powers are the kings of the universe when it come to hammer bite. [bang] They punish you for getting a proper full, high grip on the pistol. Don't ask me how I know. At the range wear a tactical shooting glove or tape up the web of your hand with athletic tape before you bust caps. Trust me, I'm not with the government and I'm here to help. ;D
Quite.
My Sistema 1911 with the spur hammer is zero fun to shoot without gloves, as it makes me bleed.
Hasn't been a problem yet. The PPK/S seems to have a longer tang than the PPK.
Good luck to you. [thumbsup] I've got every pistol I mentioned and they all have taken good bites out of me. Don't really even shoot the Walther's any more because of it. Sad but true. Maybe you use a bite proof hold. :D
I had bigger issues with "slide bite" on the Walthers that I had shot. Great little pistol though, assuming you can overlook the hamburger mess it makes of your hand.
Quote from: zarn02 on September 08, 2011, 03:06:56 PM
Quite.
My Sistema 1911 with the spur hammer is zero fun to shoot without gloves, as it makes me bleed.
+1
Quote from: DRKWNG on September 08, 2011, 03:47:24 PM
I had bigger issues with "slide bite" on the Walthers that I had shot. Great little pistol though, assuming you can overlook the hamburger mess it makes of your hand.
You know, you're right. It was slide bite on the Walthers. Hammer bite on the Hi-Powers and 1911s. I stand corrected. That's how long it's been since I shot my Walthers. [bang] The effect is sort of the same. Shooting rifles/shotguns that make your shoulder sore is one thing but shooting pistols that hurt and make you bleed is just bad juju.
1911s and Hi-Powers are semi easily fixed. Commander style hammers and beaver tail grip safety (for the 1911) solve their problems but the only "fix" for the Walthers is a lower grip. I just bucked up and kept the higher grip and wore a tact glove or taped the web of my hand at the range. If sugercrook is OK with it then so be it. More sugary goodness for him!! [laugh] [thumbsup]
3-shot burst setup for the AK
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The FBI and ATF want to know your address Counselor. [laugh]
Quote from: fastwin on September 08, 2011, 07:55:43 PM
The FBI and ATF want to know your address Counselor. [laugh]
Oh they have it. On the back of my form 4
Here is the AR type burst parts.
You can see the sear cam at #2
(http://www.brownells.com/userdocs/schematics/colt-lowerrec-burst.gif)
Looking at a Keltec P32. $225 NIB with extra mag and clips. Thoughts?
Quote from: rgramjet on September 09, 2011, 10:03:54 AM
Looking at a Keltec P32. $225 NIB with extra mag and clips. Thoughts?
Get the P3AT instead. Same basic size and better cartridge. I don't even know why they still make the P32 as the round simply isn't worth the effort unless you have nothing better. I carried the P32 for years and when they came out with the P3AT, bought it and sold the P32 ASAP.
There are plenty of small 9mm guns around now too, which are only marginally larger than the P32/P3AT.
I bought the Sig 250 thinking it would be pocket gun coolness. Turns out its only about 1/2" shorter and actually thicker than my 228. The 250s novelty has worn off.....
Quote from: rgramjet on September 09, 2011, 10:19:47 AM
I bought the Sig 250 thinking it would be pocket gun coolness. Turns out its only about 1/2" shorter and actually thicker than my 228. The 250s novelty has worn off.....
The SIG frames are too wide, unless it's the P290.
The Ruger LC9 which is a copy of the KelTec PF9 is a much better choice though. They did a great job improving on the KT design.
The P290 is the only hammer-fired mini that I know off, all the others are striker.
Just pick up a Ruger 22/45 for a guest gun. Not too impressed, feels kinda cheap, and field stripping the thing is a PITA. :-\
Thinking maybe I should of got the Browning Buckmark.
Have I just been spoiled?!?!?
Quote from: DarkStaR on September 10, 2011, 08:27:50 AM
Just pick up a Ruger 22/45 for a guest gun. Not too impressed, feels kinda cheap, and field stripping the thing is a PITA. :-\
Thinking maybe I should of got the Browning Buckmark.
Have I just been spoiled?!?!?
Got one on Friday with non-adjust sights and threaded end and just got back from the range...I am happy with it
stripping is like a Japanese Puzzle Box..well reassembly is.
Ordered a set of wood target grips for it to offset the plastic feel of the frame
It will be useful
Quote from: DarkStaR on September 10, 2011, 08:27:50 AM
Just pick up a Ruger 22/45 for a guest gun. Not too impressed, feels kinda cheap, and field stripping the thing is a PITA. :-\
Thinking maybe I should of got the Browning Buckmark.
Have I just been spoiled?!?!?
Stripping it is an art. Try holding it at different angles to keep the hammer from moving.
I have two and it took me a few months to get it right.
It's a wonderful little gun. You don't need to strip it that often, just keep the barrel clean. Strip and clean when it starts misfeeding.
Realized I got the cheap-o one with non-replaceable grips on accident.
Friends got me a gift certificate for my b-day, and I ordered without seeing it first. :(
I thought the price was too good from all the others I've seen... [bang]
At least it's just the guest gun, and not really for ME...but still. :(
Quote from: DarkStaR on September 10, 2011, 10:37:37 AM
Realized I got the cheap-o one with non-replaceable grips on accident.
Friends got me a gift certificate for my b-day, and I ordered without seeing it first. :(
I thought the price was too good from all the others I've seen... [bang]
At least it's just the guest gun, and not really for ME...but still. :(
Folks are doing mods to the non Replaceable ones and a guy Tech-Custom. com I believe is making grips that go over the factory molded ones
here is his video
Ruger MKIII 22 45 Aftermarket Grips (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRkiSlXdrKM#)
I am pissed that Ruger made the adjustable sights and the fixed sights NON-interchangeable....dipshits....
was thinking I could use a Laserlyte on mine until I discovered that little problem with the rear sight dove tail
Quote from: RAT900 on September 10, 2011, 12:15:00 PM
Folks are doing mods to the non Replaceable ones and a guy Tech-Custom. com I believe is making grips that go over the factory molded ones
here is his video
Ruger MKIII 22 45 Aftermarket Grips (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRkiSlXdrKM#)
I am pissed that Ruger made the adjustable sights and the fixed sights NON-interchangeable....dipshits....
was thinking I could use a Laserlyte on mine until I discovered that little problem with the rear sight dove tail
Thanks! I'll keep that in mind if I decide to keep it.
I've got a couple of MKIIs, both bull barrels, and I love them. They too are tricky to take apart/reassemble. Like ducatiz said, just keep the barrel scrubbed and clean. I haven't taken mine apart in years. They run like freight trains and a Swiss watch combined. One of my all time favorite .22 pistols. [thumbsup] I have the Colt Woodsman Match Target pistols my Dad gave me when I was a kid. LOVE those too. But they are too $$$ and sentimental to me for heavy field work and goofing around. Not sure if a gunsmith can even find replacement parts for them in this day and age. Don't want to find out. So the MKIIs get all the heavy plinking work... which is fine by me. ;)
I had a Browning Buckmark several years ago. My brother got it from me in a trade. I really liked it and had zero trouble. Nice piece. Just like the Rugers mo' better. ;D Maybe it's the grip angle... not sure. But both brand pistols take me to my happy place. [thumbsup]
I'm considering picking up a handgun and haven't shot that much. I had a HK usp in 9mm about 8 years ago and only put about 100 rounds through it. I see that there isn't a difference in price between the 9 and 40 cal. Is one any better than the other? Is a 9 a lot cheaper to shoot than a 40? What are the pros and cons of each?
Quote from: DucNaked on September 11, 2011, 02:44:16 PM
I'm considering picking up a handgun and haven't shot that much. I had a HK usp in 9mm about 8 years ago and only put about 100 rounds through it. I see that there isn't a difference in price between the 9 and 40 cal. Is one any better than the other? Is a 9 a lot cheaper to shoot than a 40? What are the pros and cons of each?
40 ammo is about 30% more expensive.
If you buy a polymer framed gun you may feel the recoil more than a 9. Steel will hide it better.
Just picked up a super clean Woodchucker .22 for the boys. Cool little rifle much higher quality than the Crickets that I've shot.
Just ran across some information on a new Beretta - the Nano Its a competitor for the Kahr - I'd like to shoot one and see how they compare. Anybody have any knowledge or experince with this newcomer?
It uses a similar serialized chassis as the Sig 250 and Beretta is threatening to come out with conversions, etc for it.
I'm in trouble. After shooting an MP-5 a few months back, I can no longer look at one on TV without thinking "Damn but I want one of those!"
Automatic weapons... like I need more expensive hobbies. [laugh]
Quote from: WarrenJ on September 11, 2011, 05:22:45 PM
Just ran across some information on a new Beretta - the Nano Its a competitor for the Kahr - I'd like to shoot one and see how they compare. Anybody have any knowledge or experince with this newcomer?
It uses a similar serialized chassis as the Sig 250 and Beretta is threatening to come out with conversions, etc for it.
It looks very awkward to me. Beretta has a history with mouseguns -- I used to have a Tomcat in 32 which handled nicely but was very wide.
The new Ruger LC9 looks more comfortable to me. I have a Kahr E9 and a P9 and like both of them, but the new ones are smaller -- shorter mostly.
I currently have 3 pistols, but I'm always looking for the right deal on something new to come along to put myself further in debt ;)
Walther P22 - FUN little gun! Easy to shoot, easy to work the slide/trigger/safety, and easy to teach someone else with. Every time I take a new person to the range with me, that's the one I start them off with so that they can get a feel for everything and work work on their aim without feeling overwhelmed. The downside is that it can be frustrating to reassemble after cleaning, and it is VERY fussy about ammo. High Velocity ammo only or it will misfeed like crazy. I've gotten the best results with CCI High Velocity. Remington Golden Bullet is "meh" at best, and so dirty that you'll need to clean the gun after every trip to the range to keep it from having issues.
S&W M&P 9c - eh. It's a decent 9mm that is dead simple to use and to take apart and put back together. Personally I find it a little bulky when carrying in an IWB holster, but not terribly so. It's light, so it can be a bit poppy.
S&W Bodyguard 380 - my newest one. love it as a carry gun! very light and easily fits in a pocket. it's easy to be accurate with, but definitely makes my hand sore faster than the others when getting a bit of practice in at the range. The built in laser is a cool feature, but I've found that I do better when focusing on the whole technique of shooting than when I try to hold the red dot steady on the bulls eye.
Solid fundamental skills always trump gadgets especially under stress. Thats a solid set of handguns.
Anyone have a lead on a good smith for trigger work on a sig 1911 Target?
I've been out of the loop for a little while but when I was shooting heavy, I got real frustrated with gunsmiths. I learned to do most of the work myself - if it didn't work, I only had one person to blame. If I have something I can't handle, I send it to Clark Custom Guns in Louisiana or Cylinder and Slide out of Nebraska. Neither one is cheap or fast but the work will be done right and you will not be disappointed.
Yost.
They changed their company name a few years ago to Heirloom Precision.
http://www.heirloomprecision.com/index2.shtml (http://www.heirloomprecision.com/index2.shtml)
I too have used C&S years ago on some S&W revolvers. I also have used Jack Weigand @ Weigand Combat Handguns and he did some GREAT work. Again on wheelguns not autos. He doesn't seem to do the gun slick work he used to. Now he seems focused just on scope mounts for handguns. Shame. My S&W and Ruger revolvers he touched are some of my favorites. Again, I'm also out of the current loop on 1911 'smiths these days. Wayne Novak did a couple of custom Hi-Powers for me which kick ass. But the last one took well over a year to get it back. And that was in the mid to late 90s!
My 1911 gunsmiths are now all out of the business. I guess Kimber, Les Baer, Wilson Combat, Springfield Armory, etc. put them 6 feet under when they came out with off the shelf 1911s with all the bells and whistles that had nice triggers, were accurate and reliable. I suppose Ed Brown still does 1911 work but prepare to get a second mortgage on the house and plan to leave it to your kids in the will because you'll be dead by the time it's finished. [laugh]
Quote from: gage on September 13, 2011, 11:12:31 AM
Anyone have a lead on a good smith for trigger work on a sig 1911 Target?
I know a good gun wrench locally that told me once that usually all he did when doing a trigger job is buffing everything smooth with a buffer attachment on a dramel tool. And of course ever since then that is what I did to my own guns. Very seldom did I have to take off any material on the shears and you want to stay away from that anyhooo. So the price of a dramel and buffing tools is a lot less than a trigger job especially if you have a couple to work on. It is pretty straight forward simple and if you use common sense on what to buff you can greatly improve the smoothness of your trigger. Especially revolvers. The compounds can be bought at most industrial supply shops and you only need a small tin of fine/med/course compounds. Use a marker on the sheers to let you know what to buff. Another thing you will need is something to magnify your work and 3.50 power cheap Wallmart reading glasses work great. The only down side is as soon as your friends and brothers shoot your guns they all want you to do theirs. If only the factories would take the time!
So finally threw about 200 rounds out of the 22/45 with my son and a friend. About 2 duds from the CCI ammo, about 2 times the pin didn't string the round for some reason, and about 2-4 failure to feeds. Accurate, cheap, fun enough, and a great warm up.
Noticed I did better right off the bat with the 1911, after playing with the 22/45 first. But, maybe that's also because i was pretty tired, and a lot more relaxed than usual. idk
Still a pain in the ass to field strip, but I think i got it figured out. The hammer HAS to be in the correct position at specific step, and the manual doesn't seem the point that out very well, if at all.
Quote from: DarkStaR on September 18, 2011, 09:53:12 PM
Still a pain in the ass to field strip, but I think i got it figured out. The hammer HAS to be in the correct position at specific step, and the manual doesn't seem the point that out very well, if at all.
It takes practice. I have found holding it upside down does the trick for me.
Had the opportunity to put on a private handgun class for a couple of women over the weekend. Went real well and had good results. Spending a day teaching people that want to learn, to shoot, is a pretty good day for me.
The handful of women that took my classes were great. No typical guy BS. No pre-conceived ideas of "I know how to shoot a gun, what can you possibly teach me" nonsense. None of the "Daddy taught me to do it this way, how could he be wrong". And this wasn't even a pistol class. It was a tactical shotgun class! Even when couples showed up I always had to break them up and stick hubby at one end of the line and the wifely unit at the other end. The husbands kept trying to tell the gals how to do everything, when in reality the women were doing fine and the husbands had it ass backwards! It always made my day (and the ladies!!) when I did one on one shoot offs at the end of the weekend and the gal put hubby on the trailer!! [laugh] [thumbsup] [beer] [popcorn] Bet it made for an interesting car ride home. ;)
Quote from: fastwin on September 19, 2011, 06:42:48 AM
The husbands kept trying to tell the gals how to do everything, when in reality the women were doing fine and the husbands had it ass backwards! It always made my day (and the ladies!!) when I did one on one shoot offs at the end of the weekend and the gal put hubby on the trailer!! [laugh] [thumbsup] [beer] [popcorn] Bet it made for an interesting car ride home. ;)
there is a lot to be said for learning to shoot right the first time. i can't tell you how many guys i know who can't shoot worth a damn, and have developed the worst habits as a result of improper training. basic things like breathing, trigger operation, grip, sighting. i always flinch when i see someone squeeze an eye shut and jerk a pistol like it's a latch on a door to fire it. duh.
I wouldn't mind taking some classes...too nad you guys are in different states
There are so many good operators out there. I'm sure you could find some top quality schools/instructors in your area. Never hurts to travel either. But when it comes to plane travel the pain in the ass factor goes WAY up. The bulk ammo issue is a killer when traveling by plane. Much less the gun(s) issue in this post 9/11 era. The furthest anyone came to one of my classes was from Colorado. He made ammo arrangements with the owner of the range.
Funny, that class was held during a terrible winter blast in March. Air temp was 11 degrees, sleet and 40 mph winds the first day. Everyone showed and there was also a long range rifle class that same weekend on the other end of the range and they all showed too. I've never seen that much shotgun ammo fumbled to the ground by cold, gloved hands... me included. [bang] We did all our cold range gun handling/prep work in a heated mobile home on site then would run out the door for live fire exercises. Standing next to 55 gallon drums with lit fire wood for warmth between shoots like a group of homeless folks. I'll never forget that class. :P Best part was the guy from CO pregnant doged the most about the weather!!! [laugh] I was younger back then. Today I wouldn't have showed!! ;)
Finally when to take the m1a out for its first shots. Had previously laser bore sighted it at some unknown distance behind my house. It was about 8" right at 100yrds, but I was glad I was at least on the paper.
After about about 30 rounds, everything seems to be settling in, I was able dial in the scope some, and at least keep the groups in the black.
Now I just need a couple more sessions to dial me in...first rifle and all.
The kick is not that bad for me after all...so far...maybe it's the california muzzle brake...idk.
I was really nervous at first because that was the first time I've been at a range with range officers and range commands.
No f'ups on my part, and one of the RO recomended I sign up to volunteer to be a RO also. 1/4 price membership fee, no daily fees, and get to shoot non-public hours (the range is under the sherifs direction and run by the members/volunteers)...hell yeah.
Very nice. Glad you had a good first date with the M1A. [thumbsup] Heck yes, sign up as a RO if you have the time. Save $$$, extra range time, might even pick up some helpful tips from others. What's to loose?
Took a buddy to shoot MY M1A, and he did better with it than I did, and that was the first time he shot a high power rifle.
Out of 2 rounds of 5 shots each,
I was just able to just keep it in the black at 100yds.
He was able to get 2-3 Xs per round with better groups.
:-\
Pure luck. ;D
Quote from: fastwin on September 20, 2011, 06:51:09 AM
Very nice. Glad you had a good first date with the M1A. [thumbsup] Heck yes, sign up as a RO if you have the time. Save $$$, extra range time, might even pick up some helpful tips from others. What's to loose?
Sign up as an RO AFTER the annual Elmer Fudds have invaded and left,
they terrify the regulars with bad gun handling and a general lack of basic gun safety during their annual sight-in (blasting practice)
before they head out into the woods on opening day
all excited and jittery with adrenaline they are dangerous....I avoid the range from mid-October to Opening Day weekend
"Ooops, Sorry" just doesn't mean much with loaded weapons
Quote from: fastwin on September 22, 2011, 02:52:00 PM
Pure luck. ;D
I think I just need to relax out there.
Tomorrow is pistols, so it's game on!
Quote from: DarkStaR on September 22, 2011, 11:25:58 PM
I think I just need to relax out there.
Tomorrow is pistols, so it's game on!
at the shooting ranges in Switzerland, it's common for the old guys to have a (single) tipple of schnapps before going to the range. and by single i mean people were pretty strict about not overdoing it, but it really seems to make them better shooters.
I'm always better at everything after a shot or two. [thumbsup] [drink] [laugh]
RAT's right. Wait until the carnage and danger lightens up at the range before signing up to be a RO. The same thing happens every time I have to qualify when I renew my carry license. I never worry about my score, I worry about all the yahoos up and down the line! I've seen some super scary shit during the qualy shoots. It's like DAMN people, do you ever bother to practice your shooting and gun handling skills between the 5 year renewals?? [bang] [thumbsdown] [roll] I wish the certified instructors had the right to deny shooters their license renewals based on dangerous/stupid behavior while on the firing line. Most of those shooters barely qualify anyway but forget their score. Wielding the barrel of your loaded handgun around like it's a ball point pen should be grounds for license revocation.
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Quote from: fastwin on September 23, 2011, 08:30:29 AM
I'm always better at everything after a shot or two. [thumbsup] [drink] [laugh]
<snip>
I'm the funniest guy on the planet after a couple...
just ask me. ;D
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011/09/23/extreme-polymer-researchs-polymer-handgun-cartridge-cases/ (http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011/09/23/extreme-polymer-researchs-polymer-handgun-cartridge-cases/)
Interesting.
PCA is very interesting for some uses but the big problem for me is that they are not reloadable which means they are junk. Even berdan steel case stuff is spellable for scrap.
I wonder what the weight is compared to brass
The 5.56 PCA is about half the weight of brass. Definitely an advantage for the soldier.
Not to mention shipping skids of the stuff to the field.
And hot on the heels of the pistol cases...
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011/09/26/pcp-polymer-cased-rifle-ammunition/ (http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011/09/26/pcp-polymer-cased-rifle-ammunition/)
Quote from: zarn02 on September 25, 2011, 11:27:26 PM
And hot on the heels of the pistol cases...
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011/09/26/pcp-polymer-cased-rifle-ammunition/ (http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011/09/26/pcp-polymer-cased-rifle-ammunition/)
PCA has been around for about 16years, I am not sure why this is new news. DoD was testing 5.56 PCA when I was in Israel
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Here is a pic of a Voere 22 cal caseless cartridge out of my collection. Performance is supposed to be about like a 223. It is electrically primed and the primer is consumed during firing.
Voere made a bolt action rifle for this round. H&K experimented with a caseless military rifle and round for a while that fed like the FN 90 but with no ejection worries.
The major problem with these rounds is that they are a bit fragile.
Quote from: WarrenJ on September 26, 2011, 06:05:37 AM
(http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz306/LooseCannon_10/Caseless.jpg)
The major problem with these rounds is that they are a bit fragile.
fragile..
susceptible to moisture..
lower resistance to spontaneous combustion...
it's an interesting concept, but not one i'd like to carry around in a pocket
iirc, these were supposed to be able to handle a week of water immersion. Of course that does not take into consideration agitation or abrasion, etc. Interesting concept but not ready for prime time.
Quote from: WarrenJ on September 26, 2011, 06:18:40 AM
iirc, these were supposed to be able to handle a week of water immersion. Of course that does not take into consideration agitation or abrasion, etc. Interesting concept but not ready for prime time.
how would that translate into exposure to humidity + abuse etc. brass or polymer cased can stand far more than a week. definitely not ready for prime time or ever in my book.
plus, what happens when your battery dies? too many variables. maybe they can put a dyno crank on the rifle, like on those radios. lol
Quote from: ducatiz on September 26, 2011, 06:20:43 AM
plus, what happens when your battery dies? too many variables. maybe they can put a dyno crank on the rifle, like on those radios. lol
Hammer could strike a piezo electric crystal, no need for batteries then.
Quote from: Punx Clever on September 26, 2011, 07:02:36 PM
Hammer could strike a piezo electric crystal, no need for batteries then.
hmmm.. and then you could use it on the barbecue too... lol
This gun ran on two 15 or 18 volt (conflicting data) batteries in the pistol grip. They were good for a minimum of 5000 rounds.
The other major issue H&K had with their assult rifle using caseless ammo was cooking off during full auto firing.
Cooking off rounds is never good. :P
Anyone interested in a LNIB SIG P220 in .45?
Pref local sales only.
I bought it years ago and it's been very neglected (i.e. unused in my gun safe, pristine condition). Comes with 3 mags, original box + docs. I used to be obsessed with SIGs but have moved away from them. Excellent gun, I just haven't used it and am clearing out space. I also have a leather bikini holster and a mag pouch for it (somewhere, don't hold me to that). They are unused.
(http://www.norsearmory.net/images/P220LS.jpg)
Interested? Yes.
Broke right now? Also yes. :P
Quote from: ducatiz on September 27, 2011, 01:03:44 PM
Anyone interested in a LNIB SIG P220 in .45?
Pref local sales only.
I bought it years ago and it's been very neglected (i.e. unused in my gun safe, pristine condition). Comes with 3 mags, original box + docs. I used to be obsessed with SIGs but have moved away from them. Excellent gun, I just haven't used it and am clearing out space. I also have a leather bikini holster and a mag pouch for it (somewhere, don't hold me to that). They are unused.
(http://www.norsearmory.net/images/P220LS.jpg)
Had one...after around 100 rounds my wrist started aching like a 15 year-old's
Great piece though, is that an old Alexandria Va. import?
Quote from: RAT900 on September 27, 2011, 01:14:41 PM
Had one...after around 100 rounds my wrist started aching like a 15 year-old's
Great piece though, is that an old Alexandria Va. import?
Nope, Exeter. Probably one of the first ones out of there I remember when they moved.
I don't remember it doing anything funny to my wrist.. Maybe you need to do some more exercises? :-)
Quote from: ducatiz on September 27, 2011, 01:18:02 PM
Nope, Exeter. Probably one of the first ones out of there I remember when they moved.
I don't remember it doing anything funny to my wrist.. Maybe you need to do some more exercises? :-)
that or I developed carpal tunnel early-on
I have a pristine lnib Interarms P226 that gathers dust
past couple/5 years or more I have been just about rifles
don't even know why
maybe that will change with that little Ruger 22/45
Funny (and sad) my SIGs get little use these days also. I too have an old 220 in .45acp. Used to love shooting it but went back to my first love, 1911s. I have an older 228 and 226. Also great guns but eventually went back to Hi-Powers (single action fetish [laugh]) and then Glocks.
Even have one of the weird S&W 1076 10mm pistols. Single stack like a 220 or 1911 and a de-cocker like a SIG. It was the FBI pistol for a very short while. Talk about a gun I haven't shot in years!! [bang] [roll] Can't remember the last time I even saw any 10mm ammo for sale in a store. The .40S&W put that round 6 feet under. :P
Quote from: RAT900 on September 27, 2011, 01:22:36 PM
that or I developed carpal tunnel early-on
I have a pristine lnib Interarms P226 that gathers dust
past couple/5 years or more I have been just about rifles
don't even know why
maybe that will change with that little Ruger 22/45
Interarms imported some really good stuff over the years. I have an Interarms-imported Glock 19 that was a police trade-in. Maintained by the Glock factory. they had to put adjustable target sights on it to make the points for import, but they included the fixed sight, just tapped it out and put them in. I like showing it off, it says MADE IN AUSTRIA and has the austrian eagle proof all over it.
Quote from: fastwin on September 27, 2011, 01:56:32 PM
Even have one of the weird S&W 1076 10mm pistols. Single stack like a 220 or 1911 and a de-cocker like a SIG. It was the FBI pistol for a very short while. Talk about a gun I haven't shot in years!! [bang] [roll] Can't remember the last time I even saw any 10mm ammo for sale in a store. The .40S&W put that round 6 feet under. :P
My brother owned a 10mm Glock. He got rid of it once he realized how much money he was wasting in rounds.
Quote from: ducatiz on September 27, 2011, 01:57:52 PM
Interarms imported some really good stuff over the years. I have an Interarms-imported Glock 19 that was a police trade-in. Maintained by the Glock factory. they had to put adjustable target sights on it to make the points for import, but they included the fixed sight, just tapped it out and put them in. I like showing it off, it says MADE IN AUSTRIA and has the austrian eagle proof all over it.
They did indeed import some gems over the years, the old PPK's, they did a limited run of Swiss Luger re-issues, Mauser Banner Lugers etc etc
As for the 10MM I think the FBI ditched that round after some tragic shoot-out in Florida IIRC where it proved highly ineffective as a stopping round
Quote from: RAT900 on September 27, 2011, 03:12:53 PM
They did indeed import some gems over the years, the old PPK's, they did a limited run of Swiss Luger re-issues, Mauser Banner Lugers etc etc
As for the 10MM I think the FBI ditched that round after some tragic shoot-out in Florida IIRC where it proved highly ineffective as a stopping round once again it doesn't matter what caliber you use if you can't place a shot.
fixed
Quote from: RAT900 on September 27, 2011, 03:12:53 PM
As for the 10MM I think the FBI ditched that round after some tragic shoot-out in Florida IIRC where it proved highly ineffective as a stopping round
No, that was the tragic 1986 Miami, Florida shoot out when they used Federal 115grn 9mm hollow points and they failed to penetrate the auto body and glass of the bank robber's vehicle effectively. The bad guys guys had Ruger Mini-14s if I remember right and successfully used their vehicle as hard cover against incoming fire. The Feds had 9mm autos, maybe a snub wheelgun and possibly a 12 gauge shotgun. They got shot up rather badly.
That shoot out made the FBI re-think their sidearms and the caliber they fired. That led to the development of the 10mm S&W 1076 that I own. It's a huge chuck of stainless steel. Any normal sized male (or female) agent would have to lug around that heavy hand cannon and it made under cover work a pain in the ass. It accomplished their ballistic goals but the size and handling of the weapon was very unpopular with agents.
In the meantime S&W was deveoping the .40S&W round in the background. It fit in a standard 9mm frame/magazine and produced ballistics very similar to the 10mm. It did everything the FBI wanted. 10mm horsepower for punching holes in car doors and windows... and bad guys!! [thumbsup] All the while fitting into the popular sized 9mm handguns. Case closed, the rest is history. ;D
Stupid made for TV movie about it but it actually portrays the shoot out pretty well.
The 1986 Miami FBI Shootout (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBGfKtuo2AM#)
I can't imagine why anyone would ever think a hand gun could do it all.
Thanks for clearing up my clouded memory...86 was a strange year for me :)
I had serious trouble with '76. [laugh]
Quote from: fastwin on September 27, 2011, 03:51:20 PM
I had serious trouble with '76. [laugh]
[laugh] [laugh] I'm pretty sure 1976 wasn't a keeper for me either,
but I would have to confirm that with people who probably are just as happy to not hear from me
Quote from: fastwin on September 27, 2011, 03:40:54 PM
No, that was the tragic 1986 Miami, Florida shoot out when they used Federal 115grn 9mm hollow points and they failed to penetrate the auto body and glass of the bank robber's vehicle effectively.
QuoteAgents:
Richard Manauzzi: lost control of weapon in the initial vehicle collision, no shots fired. Minor injuries from shotgun pellets.[7]
Gordon McNeill: S&W M19-3 .357 Magnum revolver, six rounds .38 Special +P fired. Seriously injured by .223 gunshot wounds to the right hand and neck.
Edmundo Mireles: Remington M870 12-gauge shotgun, five rounds 00 buckshot fired, .357 Magnum revolver (S&W, records show that it was a Smith & Wesson Model 686 despite not being FBI issue), six rounds .38 Special +P fired. Seriously injured by a .223 gunshot wound to the left forearm.
Gilbert Orrantia: S&W (model unknown) .357 Magnum revolver, 12 rounds .38 Special +P fired. Injured by shrapnel and debris produced by a .223 bullet near miss.
John Hanlon: S&W M36 .38 Special revolver, 2-inch barrel, five rounds .38 Special +P fired. Seriously injured by .223 gunshot wounds to the right hand and groin.
Benjamin Grogan: S&W M459 9mm pistol, nine rounds fired. Killed by a .223 gunshot wound to the chest.
Jerry Dove: S&W M459 9mm pistol, 20 rounds fired. Killed by two .223 gunshot wounds to the head.
Ronald Risner: S&W M459 9mm pistol, 13â€"14 rounds fired, S&W (model unknown) .38 Special revolver, one round .38 Special +P fired. Uninjured.
A bunch of them were not using 9mm. And there are plenty of hot 9mm rounds which could have been used but they weren't using them.
By that count there were at least three. Whatever the 9mm count it went down as a flaming defeat for many reasons and very sadly so. Tactically and also as far as round ballistics and firearms. It forced the FBI to totally overhaul their handgun program. For the better. [thumbsup]
Quote from: fastwin on September 27, 2011, 05:24:25 PM
By that count there were at least three. Whatever the 9mm count it went down as a flaming defeat for many reasons and very sadly so. Tactically and also as far as round ballistics and firearms. It forced the FBI to totally overhaul their handgun program. For the better. [thumbsup]
Oh, I agree, I just don't think it was 9mm that was the problem. It doesn't say anything about the rounds the 9mm guns had. What was the weight? load? projectile type?
Seems to me they could have found a better load and taught their guys to shoot better. A 459 has a double stack magazine for 15 or 17 rounds. With some +P or +P+ rounds they could have easily penetrated that car, at least I can with my G19 and +P+ Rangers.
I think the move to 10 and then 40 was trying to get some of the large round performance of the 45 -- i.e. more damage per single hit. You figure you fire 10 times at a target you might hit twice when under stress.
Quote from: ducatiz on September 27, 2011, 05:39:16 PM
Oh, I agree, I just don't think it was 9mm that was the problem. It doesn't say anything about the rounds the 9mm guns had. What was the weight? load? projectile type?
Seems to me they could have found a better load and taught their guys to shoot better. A 459 has a double stack magazine for 15 or 17 rounds. With some +P or +P+ rounds they could have easily penetrated that car, at least I can with my G19 and +P+ Rangers.
I think the move to 10 and then 40 was trying to get some of the large round performance of the 45 -- i.e. more damage per single hit. You figure you fire 10 times at a target you might hit twice when under stress.
or they simply could have used .357 mag rounds in thier 357's and it wouldn't have been an issue
Here is my applicable 9mm story
A buddy had his 76 toyota corolla stolen in 2001 or so
the thief was confronted in the vehicle by Portland PD on foot
the officer approached the vehicle from the passenger front
the thief attempted to run down the officer
The officer emptied his 9mm Glock 17 into the windshield producing a pattern about 5"w x7"h from 30ish feet
(personal opinion: not bad for rapid-fire-holy-shit-this-make the beast with two backser-is-trying-to-kill-me-with-a-car shooting)the majority of the rounds deflected off the glass
5 penetrated striking the man in the chest, neck, and head with bullet fragments
all non-lethal and non-incapacitating
Portland PD was authorized to use the Glock 21's but after a pair of them exploded on the range they dumped them for the 17's
Quote from: Jacob on September 27, 2011, 07:00:25 PM
the majority of the rounds deflected off the glass
laminated glass is tough, plus the angle. you don't need much hardness to deflect a projectile.
we used to go to an old junk yard in Mississippi to shoot cars, owner was father of my friend. we found out pretty quickly that shooting some windshields produced deflections (post 1980s cars) and others just exploded (pre laminated glass)
Picked up a Sig516 today. Looking forward to taking it to the range after the 10-day waiting period is over.
Put 12 rounds through the .300 today
really easy recoil
suprising
The trigger on this mauser is beautiful
makes me wonder if it has had trigger work done or if they are all like this
Anybody want to edumacate me on .22 Win Mags?
I was talking with a buddy and he's looking to get rid of his, just cuz he doesn't really shoot it anymore.
I'm not too gun savvy, but I can hit what I'm aiming at for the most part.
I don't know all the abbreviations (why is that such a long word?) or technospeak.
Just looking for what to look for, or run away from.
I think he said it was a Ruger? He also said something about 10 22 and WMR? ???
Thanks.
[bacon]
Quote from: The Bacon Junkie on September 28, 2011, 11:51:38 PM
He also said something about 10 22
The Ruger 10/22 is pretty much the default, standard, tried-and-true semi-auto .22 rifle. Everybody makes everything for them, and they're a fantastic platform to do whatever you could ever want to do.
Or just to plink with.
Sure wish I still had my 10/22, and will someday have to pick up another.
.22 WMR (Winchester Magnum Rimfire) is now a great round since CCI and Hornady have been making highly accurate ballistic tip ammo for it
Traditionally accurate ammo for it (WMR) was real hit or miss (literally)
Is is a rimfire round but is NOT interchangeable with rifles chambered for .22 Long Rifle
The ammo is more expensive than .22LR but if you are looking for longer reach and higher velocities
or are varminting the .22WMR is a great way to go if a .17HMR is not your cup of tea
If I had a choice of 1 caliber for a SHTF scenario it would likely be .22wmr, more rounds per lbs. and well-placed shots can take a wide range of game
and carrying potable water is heavy enough....lugging centerfire ammo would be counter-productive from a survival migration perspective
Rimfire is a joy to shoot now days, much more consistant ammo
no more Bang Bang Bang click Bang Bang click Bang Bang Bang Bang PffOP Bang click
I used to shoot .22LR for the rifle team at my high school (they ended up taking the rifles and replacing them with pellet guns during my sophomore year)... 22's are fun little guns with all kinds of uses. Not a bad idea/way to get yourself into shooting rifles. I consider it on par with buying a beater bike to learn how to ride. They're relatively inexpensive, have minimal kick, and are fun to shoot.
Ryan, one thing to keep in mind is that 10/22s are/were almost eclusively chambered in .22LR. Did Ruger ever produce in in .22WMR?
Yep
.22 wmr and .17hmr
My new 22lr!
The poor mans MP5 :D
(http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac51/rllout/1f4d51c7.jpg)
GSG?
cool.
:)
cheep to shoot :D
.22 mag is a great little round but it is expensive for what it is. My friend has a bolt action rifle chambered in .22 mag (a CZ I think??) and that is his turkey gun. Head shots work great. [thumbsup] I have a Win 94 chambered in .22 mag and a bolt action/mag fed Anchutz I got from my Dad. Haven't fired either in years. Just too $$$ for what it does. If it was half the price I'd shoot the shit out of it! ;D
.22mag ammo runs 10-12 bucks for 50
Shooting one for a day is cheaper than dinner and a movie
This is my CZ452 in 22WMR it is is deadly accurate with Hornady rounds
and yes the scope clears the sight by about 1/32 of an inch
(http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee91/visigoth9/CZ452001.jpg)
Thanks for all the great feedback and photos! [thumbsup]
$12 for a box of 50?! :o I remember when I took the Springfield (that I found) to the range, a box of 20 .45-70 was like $25. :P That was in '03 if I remember right.
So, should I get my friend's Ruger? What should I expect to pay? We didn't talk $$$, he was just mentioning he wanted to sell it...
Are there better .22 WMR's out there, deal wise?
Thanks again...
[bacon]
this is just me talking
most folks here will have a different POV
if you want the gun
buy the gun
buy it to use it
how much it costs initially
and
how much it costs to run it
is the price for enjoying it
if you are getting it because it is a deal and you want the deal more than you want the gun
dont buy it
Word
I have yet to see a CZ rifle that isn't ridiculously accurate - they are great guns and a tremendous value.
Quote from: WarrenJ on September 30, 2011, 05:53:12 AM
I have yet to see a CZ rifle that isn't ridiculously accurate - they are great guns and a tremendous value.
yeah, i second that. those are very well made receivers and barrels.
someone was selling barreled receivers from CZ a while back, maybe Dan Wesson? I am not sure. I wanted to get one in 762x39 as I had a pallet full of it... that was before i went to knob creek though... :-/
I'm not a big game/safari person but my brother is. A few years ago he went to Africa (can't remember where [bang]) and one of his jumbo caliber big game rifles was a CZ. It was a beautifully made piece. Not in a "grade 6 wood/$20,000" way, but in a well made/fitted field gun kind of way. Like you would expect of a big bore safari gun. I was impressed with it. My only other CZ experience is 1970 era moto-cross bikes, CZ-75 9mm pistols and my buddy's .22 mag rifle. All are very postive experiences. [thumbsup]
Quote from: Jacob on September 30, 2011, 12:14:57 AM
this is just me talking
most folks here will have a different POV
if you want the gun
buy the gun
buy it to use it
how much it costs initially
and
how much it costs to run it
is the price for enjoying it
if you are getting it because it is a deal and you want the deal more than you want the gun
dont buy it
I've been wanting to get back into shooting for awhile now. Before I moved cross country in '04 I had to sell one rifle, and my uncle has the Springfield in his safe back in CT.
My buddy telling me about his Ruger kind of was like the catalyst for starting to actually look for a rifle again.
I love the skill involved and even if I don't shoot anything but paper, I'd like to become proficient. I was asking about price from a "I have no idea" standpoint. If there's a better gun out there, I'd be interested if the price was right. If the Ruger is as good as you're all saying, then if my buddy was serious about selling, I'd probably get that.
Thanks again, Homies. 8)
[bacon]
As far as I know, Ruger only made the 22 mag and 17HMR in the 10-22 for a very short time. They no longer catalog either of the long rimfires in the 10-22. They currently make them only in the 77-22 bolt action. They also made the 22 mag in the 96-22 - a lever gun - for several years.
Volquartson makes 10-22 style rifles in 22 mag but they are very pricey.
I have a pair of the 10-22T models in 22 lr that I really like. Very accurate for a semi-auto 22. With good ammo, the gun will shoot about 3/8" at 50 yards if I am doing my job.
You absolutely, positively cannot go wrong with a Ruger 10/22. I have three and have shot a bazillion rounds out of them in .22LR and they all run like Swiss watches. [thumbsup] [bow_down] There are even more goodies for them than there are goodies for Monsters. What does that tell you? ;D Yeah, .22 mag is more expensive than .22LR but that's an apples and oranges comparison. EVERYTHING looks expensive compared to .22LR! Hell, it's damn near free it's so cheap. But .22 mag is a great little cartridge, you can't go wrong. I'm not really sure about 10/22 .22 mag magazine availability. I'm sure they are out there. 10/22 magazines in .22LR are everywhere, I'm surprised Hallmark card shops don't carry them! [laugh] I just haven't ever needed to look for 10/22 .22WMR magazines.
Good luck with it! If the price is right then get it and shoot the hell out of it! [bacon]
Quote from: fastwin on September 30, 2011, 09:00:08 AM
I'm not a big game/safari person but my brother is. A few years ago he went to Africa (can't remember where [bang]) and one of his jumbo caliber big game rifles was a CZ. It was a beautifully made piece. Not in a "grade 6 wood/$20,000" way, but in a well made/fitted field gun kind of way. Like you would expect of a big bore safari gun. I was impressed with it. My only other CZ experience is 1970 era moto-cross bikes, CZ-75 9mm pistols and my buddy's .22 mag rifle. All are very postive experiences. [thumbsup]
Wifey and I had dinner with a good client of hers and his wife. Afterwards went back to their place for drinks and pool. On the countertop of his man cave bar, was two boxes each of .378 and .416 Weatherby. Impressive rounds they are. Then I looked at a recoil chart......I just want to see someone shoot either one. Ouch.
I'll stick with my 30-.06 featherweight.
Yeah, I'm not into handgun or rifle cannons. Nothing I shoot at needs either one. If it needs more than .30-06 or 12 gauge I probably shouldn't be shooting at it anyway. [laugh]
There was a legit reason for my brother's big bore CZ. Dangerous game deserves big bore rifles. I'm just not that mad at anything to travel that far and spend that kind of money. Just thinking about those kind of rifles makes my shoulder hurt.
Quote from: WarrenJ on September 30, 2011, 05:53:12 AM
I have yet to see a CZ rifle that isn't ridiculously accurate - they are great guns and a tremendous value.
I love my 527 FS in .223
I've got a 527 FS that had the stock replaced with a standard length forend. It shoots as well has my heavy barrel varminters as long as I use light bullets. Once I swaged some real short 22 bullets that were 73 grains that shot real well but they had a large meplat and no boattail to work in the 1 in 12 twist. I need to squish up some more of them for coyotes this winter. I love that little handy rifle for coyote calling.
mine likes light bullets too.
Quote from: ducpainter on October 01, 2011, 04:01:03 AM
mine likes light bullets too.
Makes sense with the pistol powder they use.
Its really a bit of a misnomer that slow rifling twists require light bullets. The real determining factor is bullet length. The longer the bullet is, the faster it has to be spun to stabilize it in flight. I've experimented with powdered tungstun cores in bullets and you can make a real heavy short bullet that will stabilize in slow twists.
One bullet that really suprised me with this was the Barnes 165 grain .308 solid. It shoots fantastically in my 30-06's and 300 Win's with 1 in 10 twists, but when shot from a 1 in 12 twist 308, it shot over 12" at 100, with oblong holes in the target. The bullet, because it was less dense than lead (bronze) was longer than the 1 in 12 could stabilize. Standard lead core 165's shoot great in that rifle.
You can make up for a little bit of twist by pushing the bullet faster also.
Interesting comment/observation regarding the bullet length vs barrel twist. Makes sense. I always thought of it as a weight issue. Not being a hand loader (my brother has that role in the family [thumbsup]) I had never looked at it in the way you mentioned. Thanks W for the inside tip. [popcorn]
Quote from: WarrenJ on October 01, 2011, 07:52:25 AM
Its really a bit of a misnomer that slow rifling twists require light bullets. The real determining factor is bullet length. The longer the bullet is, the faster it has to be spun to stabilize it in flight. I've experimented with powdered tungstun cores in bullets and you can make a real heavy short bullet that will stabilize in slow twists.
One bullet that really suprised me with this was the Barnes 165 grain .308 solid. It shoots fantastically in my 30-06's and 300 Win's with 1 in 10 twists, but when shot from a 1 in 12 twist 308, it shot over 12" at 100, with oblong holes in the target. The bullet, because it was less dense than lead (bronze) was longer than the 1 in 12 could stabilize. Standard lead core 165's shoot great in that rifle.
You can make up for a little bit of twist by pushing the bullet faster also.
Have you determined a max length that will work in a 1:12?
does anyone have any experience fitting one of these to a Taurus Judge? http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/default.aspx?productNumber=880874 (http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/default.aspx?productNumber=880874)
Nope. Have you checked on Hogue's website to see if they make a mono grip specifically for the Judge?
nope but will check
Was asked to be a range officer for a Batchelor Party shooting event. It was on a private farm and went real well. Lots of fun especially since we had 50 lbs of Tannerite! 2 lbs of tannerite combined with any large household appliance results in a pretty awesome scrap pile. I didn't realize that washing machine tops could fly 100 yards. When I get the videos uploaded, I'll include a link. BOOOOMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!
http://kwk.us/twist.html
(http://kwk.us/twist.html)
This is a link to a bullet length/twist calculator.
Quote from: WarrenJ on October 01, 2011, 10:18:40 PM
http://kwk.us/twist.html
(http://kwk.us/twist.html)
This is a link to a bullet length/twist calculator.
I'll need another cup of coffee to get through that. ;D
Quote from: ducpainter on October 02, 2011, 04:11:12 AM
I'll need another cup of coffee to get through that. ;D
I'll get a pot started for you.
Quote from: DRKWNG on October 02, 2011, 04:50:13 AM
I'll get a pot started for you.
Hey, this isn't tosat. Keep that coffee making crap over there!
;D
Quote from: WarrenJ on October 01, 2011, 10:13:52 PM
Was asked to be a range officer for a Batchelor Party shooting event. It was on a private farm and went real well. Lots of fun especially since we had 50 lbs of Tannerite! 2 lbs of tannerite combined with any large household appliance results in a pretty awesome scrap pile. I didn't realize that washing machine tops could fly 100 yards. When I get the videos uploaded, I'll include a link. BOOOOMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!
How much is that stuff?
Quote from: WarrenJ on October 01, 2011, 07:52:25 AM
Its really a bit of a misnomer that slow rifling twists require light bullets. The real determining factor is bullet length. The longer the bullet is, the faster it has to be spun to stabilize it in flight. I've experimented with powdered tungstun cores in bullets and you can make a real heavy short bullet that will stabilize in slow twists.
One bullet that really suprised me with this was the Barnes 165 grain .308 solid. It shoots fantastically in my 30-06's and 300 Win's with 1 in 10 twists, but when shot from a 1 in 12 twist 308, it shot over 12" at 100, with oblong holes in the target. The bullet, because it was less dense than lead (bronze) was longer than the 1 in 12 could stabilize. Standard lead core 165's shoot great in that rifle.
You can make up for a little bit of twist by pushing the bullet faster also.
My understanding of all the 22 WMR I've used is that it is made with a fast-burning pistol barrel powder. A heavier projectile will do well with that in a short barrel, but in a rifle barrel, the fast burning powder will not let the heavy projectile accelerate for the full length of the barrel, thus a lighter projectile will move quicker out the barrel.
A slower burning powder would expand for the length of the barrel and a heavier projectile would perform better.
You are right as far as propellant burning rate vs bore volume vs resistance of the projectile is concerned. The 527's we were talking about is in 223 Rem though, which has way greater case capacity and strength over the WMR to handle the higher pressures. (sorry we got sidetracked)
One of the other interesting relationships (to me anyway) is the issue of resistance of the projectile going down the barrel vs actual bullet weight. Loading information is almost always based on bullet weight, when in reality the issue is really the amount of resistance. Somkeless powder burns progressively which means that the more pressure that is on it, the "harder" it burns. A bullet with a long bearing surface, or a bullet which is harder, will be more difficult to push down the bore, causing the powder to burn "harder" causing more pressure.
Sometimes, if you like to disregard maximum pressure warnings in reloading manuals, you can run higher powder charges with bullets that have shorter bearing surfaces for their lenght than other bullets without developing excessive pressure. ( Dont try this at home kids) We ran some ridiculous loads in the 243 with the Hornady 58 grain V-Max bullets as they have a miniscule bearing surface. 4000 fps in a 243 and 4140 fps in my 243 Ackley Improved. Hard on both barrel life and varmints - broke them down into their basic amino acids!
Quote from: WarrenJ on October 02, 2011, 10:56:21 AM
You are right as far as propellant burning rate vs bore volume vs resistance of the projectile is concerned. The 527's we were talking about is in 223 Rem though, which has way greater case capacity and strength over the WMR to handle the higher pressures. (sorry we got sidetracked)
One of the other interesting relationships (to me anyway) is the issue of resistance of the projectile going down the barrel vs actual bullet weight. Loading information is almost always based on bullet weight, when in reality the issue is really the amount of resistance. Somkeless powder burns progressively which means that the more pressure that is on it, the "harder" it burns. A bullet with a long bearing surface, or a bullet which is harder, will be more difficult to push down the bore, causing the powder to burn "harder" causing more pressure.
Not just friction, but also the material of the projectile. By itself, lead forms well to the barrel grooves and pretty much any jacket is harder and requires more energy spent to form to the grooves.
What do you think about the shape of the frustrum, i.e. SPBT vs flat regarding acceleration and ogive shape? We were taught that secant ogives were better for velocity but tangent ogive better for accuracy -- minute differences of course.
My friend decided to to give the Ruger to his kid brother...
Just as well, I guess... :-\
[bacon]
I think there are so many other variables to accuracy, the ogive shape is of secondary importance. Obviously the "slipperier" the shape is, the less it will slow down per unit of time. I've shot great groups with secant and tangent bullets. The bullets I make are mostly secant ogives. I make both flat base bullets and rebated boattails. Flat base bullets will typically shoot better than standard boattails, especially at closer ranges (out to 300 or so). After that, the higher retained velocity of the boattails will start cancelling out some of the effects of wind and other variables which give the boattail a practical, but not necessarliy intrinsic increase in accuracy at longer ranges.
It seems that once a bullet gets beyond a certain length in relation to its diameter, the boattail has less and less effect.
My favorite 30 cal bullet is a 205 grain flat base low drag secant ogive bullet. I've shot NRA master class scores with those bullets at 600 and 1000 with my 30-06 target rifle and customers of mine have killed deer with the bullets in 300 Win at over 1000. Its a neat bullet in that it is target accurate, flat shooting and very destructive on meat.
Another effect is the relationship between the bullet base shape and the crown of the rifle barrel. A flat crown will typically shoot better with a flat base bullet and various angled crowns seem to work better with boattail bullets.
Tannerite or some of its competitors runs about $150 for 50 lbs in bulk. Smaller units are obviously more.
SOCOM 16 Chapter 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owqfEdj-WeE&feature=digest_refresh_sat#)
Took all the toys to the range today. Blew about $100 in ammo, but good fun. Need to start working on accurizing the M1A (standard 22"), and testing out better ammo. This Winchester white box Nato stuff sucks.
big bullets = FUN!
"I usually hit what I'm shooting at with the exception of two issues: windage and elevation..."
[laugh] [laugh]
Quote from: DRKWNG on October 09, 2011, 03:49:49 AM
"I usually hit what I'm shooting at with the exception of two issues: windage and elevation..."
[laugh] [laugh]
That one got me laughing too [laugh]
+2 Funny. I seem to have the same problem. [laugh]
The only people that never miss are the ones that never shoot.
I really enjoy my Socom 16 - its plenty accurate, handy and ok on power. The thing I like the best about it is that it is quick handling and really fast on target. 10" targets at 300 yards, sitting with cross sticks or something are real easy with the iron sights. Adding scopes or other optics just makes the gun slower on target and less handy.
Everyone seems agog about the power of the 308. Its certainly more than the 223 but especially out of the short barrel of the Socom, is definitely not a cannon.
I'm working on a magazine article about 308 short barrel ballistics. The chronograph really de-myths a lot of preconceptions.
I have an older 16" M1A in a factory fiberglass woodland camo stock. I think they stuck some stupid "jungle rifle" name on it back then. Anyway, it's a great, handy little rifle with some horsepower. No optics on any M1A that I have or have ever owned. Thought about it many times but never followed through. The ARMS mount is all I ever considered but in this day and time I am sure there are many others out there.
Also, anyone ever used the 25 rnd Check-Mate brand M1A magazines that Dillon Precision offers for sale? They claim to be the same mags that are sold to the US military. I could use a few extra M1A mags and was considering giving them a try.
Love the M1As but the worse my shoulder gets the less .308 I shoot. Still wouldn't mind running into a big pack of feral hogs with an M1A. Just saying... [evil] [popcorn] ;)
25 or 20 round? That seems like a load to have on an autoloader in that caliber.
I prefer the taiwanese 10rd mags i found a few years back (spg?) .. they are great for the range.
They (Dillon) offer that brand of mag in 5, 20 & 25 round capacity. They claim in their catalog that the maker sells the 25 rnd mags to our military. Dillon doesn't offer crappy stuff so I assume it's good quality. Just didn't know if any DMFers have used them. It's not like I lug around a lot of 7.62 mags all day so the 25 rnd count doesn't scare me. ;D Besides I'm old and slow and have a 15 year old step son to haul all the heavy stuff for me. [laugh]
When I was in Texas last October, my partner was supposed to have some hogs lined up for me so I had the Socom, the 45-70 and the 300 Win (in case I had to shoot any in the next zip code) packed and he had nothing actually lined up. So I went to a buddys place in New Mexico and did some 1000 yard shooting and some blasting on his 1000 acre shooting facility.
Lighting up a pack of hogs with the Socom seems like it would be way too much fun.
Quote from: fastwin on October 09, 2011, 12:49:24 PM
They (Dillon) offer that brand of mag in 5, 20 & 25 round capacity. They claim in their catalog that the maker sells the 25 rnd mags to our military. Dillon doesn't offer crappy stuff so I assume it's good quality. Just didn't know if any DMFers have used them. It's not like I lug around a lot of 7.62 mags all day so the 25 rnd count doesn't scare me. ;D Besides I'm old and slow and have a 15 year old step son to haul all the heavy stuff for me. [laugh]
Best Prices for them www.44mag.com (//http://) (//http://)
CMI/Checkmate Industries are current prime supplier of M14 Mags to the military
Long Island NY based company. By all accounts as good as the original ones made by BRW/Win/Westinghouse/KMT etc etc during the active production/use years of the M14
Thanks! [thumbsup]
Yeppers WJ, hogs + M1A/SOCOMs would make for a hell of a party! ;D
My family has a cabin outside of Cimarron, NM and my brother and his boys love to drive up to Raton/NRA Whittington Center for long range action. Beautiful backdrop of mountains as you shoot. Hard to beat that combo!
My vision sucks too much to shoot iron sights at 100yds. :-\
Yeah, my standard comment is maybe I could hit your ass at 500 yards (based on nothing but good luck) but I couldn't read your driver license when I got to you. [laugh] Got cheap reading glasses everywhere! ;D Screw it, at least I can still shoot and ride! [beer]
Vision is a constant problem. I run 3 different sets of glasses. My standard lineless bifocals for computer work, in the house and for seeing the front sight of a pistol. My standard lined bifocals for rifle shooting, motorcycling, outdoor work and special glasses with an adjustable lens for apeture sight target shooting.
Iron sight shooting makes your eyes work very hard to maintain the proper focus. Its like working a muscle - the more you work it, the easier it gets. When I'm shooting smallbore hard, 3 hours a day, 3 days a week, the focus gets lots easier - It would probably take me 2 months to get my eyes back into condition for that right now.
Picked it up on Sunday:
(http://bit.ly/oQcGts)
[thumbsup] what did it set you back?
Sig piston set up?
Does anyone not make an AR platform rifle these days? I knew about the SIG but every day I see or hear about a new one, gas, piston, etc... at least they all take the same magazine. ;D Pretty amazing considering how they started out.
Quote from: fastwin on October 11, 2011, 06:33:39 AM
Does anyone not make an AR platform rifle these days? I knew about the SIG but every day I see or hear about a new one, gas, piston, etc... at least they all take the same magazine. ;D Pretty amazing considering how they started out.
Dan Wesson/CZ don't..
[evil]
They will probably come out with a line this afternoon. ;D
The SIG516 is gas-piston and cost around *mumble mumble mumble* :P
Now I need a small portable gun safe. I move pretty frequently, so a safe that can take some abuse is ideal. Any suggestions?
Quote from: sugarcrook on October 11, 2011, 10:09:23 PM
The SIG516 is gas-piston and cost around *mumble mumble mumble* :P
Now I need a small portable gun safe. I move pretty frequently, so a safe that can take some abuse is ideal. Any suggestions?
portable?
small yes, but the two fingerprint safes I have are bolted to the wall.
I've got a couple of stand up gun safes. One big (VERY un-portable!) and one much smaller. Both are Browning Pro-Steel safes. The smaller one can be handled by just me and a good two wheel hand cart. I can (with minor difficulty) flip it up in and out of bed of my pick up. After my wife and I split years ago the small one served me well in the walk in closet of my condo. And yes, it was on the first floor! I've seen lots of safes that size made by other manufacturers.
I hate how safe companies say they can fit X amount of rifles in their safe, but only fit about X/2 in the real world. >:(
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011/10/14/hornady-zombie-max/ (http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011/10/14/hornady-zombie-max/)
(http://cdn5.thefirearmsblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/zombie_max_sell_sheet-tm-tfb.jpg)
Quote from: DarkStaR on October 12, 2011, 07:58:40 PM
I hate how safe companies say they can fit X amount of rifles in their safe, but only fit about X/2 in the real world. >:(
that's the truth. same problem here. I want a walk-in safe one day.
Quote from: zarn02 on October 13, 2011, 10:13:38 PM
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011/10/14/hornady-zombie-max/ (http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011/10/14/hornady-zombie-max/)
(http://cdn5.thefirearmsblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/zombie_max_sell_sheet-tm-tfb.jpg)
make the beast with two backsing awesome!! I'm ordering a pallet of this stuff!! [laugh]
An M1A, an M1, a pair of 30-30s, a 30-06, a .41 mag, a bunch of 12g, a 20g, a .45acp, a .45 Long, a .38 special, a .32, a bunch of 22s, lots a holes in things, and a bunch of busted clay discs. Today was a good day. ;D
Kinda hurts a little though. :-\
Wow. That's a great collection of ammo and the guns that shoot them. Only thing that would make that day better is shooting all that hardware while you were riding your bike!! [laugh] Hurt? Yeah but it's a good hurt. [thumbsup] [beer] Take two Advil and repeat the day. ;)
Budsgunshop.com Slide Fire Solutions SSAR-15 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TN2vXc-YfbI&feature=youtube_gdata_player#)
Just received this, since I was a Tanfoglio owner,
"SINCE 1999 ERIC GRAUFFEL WITH TANFOGLIO GOLD CUSTOM MODEL IS I.P.S.C. OPEN CLASS WORLD CHAMPION. DURING XVI I.P.S.C. WORLD SHOOTING CHAMPIONSHIP, IN RHODES, GREECE, ON OCTOBER THE 9TH, ERIC HAS BEEN PROCLAIMED WORLD CHAMPION FOR 5 FIVE TIME IN A ROW: A GREAT AND UNIQUE RECORD! WE ARE PROUD OF THIS PRESTIGIOUS RESULT, WHICH CONFIRMS THE QUALITY OF OUR PRODUCTS! WE THANK TO ERIC FOR HIS GREAT COMMITMENT, THE TALENT AND HIS GREAT COOPERATION."
5 years in a row, that is quite an accomplishment I'd say ...
When you're good, you're good.
I was Class C Production Champion in 2008, with a Tanfoglio Force 99R, .40S&W ... the only one competing with a .40 ... my yearly avg was 60.754pts per round if I had had 61 or more would have been a Cat B and no trophy !!
As an asshole said it, "you're the best of the worst" ... But I beat the spi guys, equivalent of secret service here ... by a good margin ...[yes the folks who protect our inept president]
You should apply for spi..
Quote from: cokey on October 20, 2011, 07:52:55 AM
You should apply for spi..
I ain't policeman ... those guys are supposed to be the best of the police ....
Figured it's 10/22 today, so I went out and got me a standard 10/22 in wood.
Haven't really been a fan of wood, but the hell...I'll give it a shot.
Ordered a Hogue Overmold stock because I didn't like the standard synthetic stock's feel (also because I'm too lazy to tap the wood for a sling), and also got Sight-Tech sights for it.
Got till mid December to get it all ready for Appleseed.
10/22s rock the planet!! I've got a couple of standards in wood (one with scope, one without) and they didn't need anything for a sling. They were good to go. ??? Also have a heavy barrel stainless 10/22 in a Hogue stock with a Leupold rimfire scope. Love that rifle. One of my all time favs for plinking. If I had every single gun taken away from me and I was left with just one it might be that stainless 10/22. It's not the best for hunting or self defense but it does everything well. [thumbsup]
No swivels on the one I got. Some of the more expensive ones had 'em, but some didn't have iron sights, some had the bull barrel, some were stainless, etc. etc.. I'm ok with the bull barrel and SS, but just don't want to pay for it for this project.
(http://www.impactguns.com/data/default/images/catalog/535/ruger_1022rb.jpg)
I'm just trying to make this a good, cheap to fire training rifle. 7.62x51 is too expensive for what I want to do.
http://appleseedproject.blogspot.com/2008/02/liberty-training-rifle.html (http://appleseedproject.blogspot.com/2008/02/liberty-training-rifle.html)
Includes ammo..
(http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/site/images/splash/spg_october_21st_free_shipping_splash.jpg)
Quote from: ducatiz on October 22, 2011, 09:17:32 PM
Includes ammo..
(http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/site/images/splash/spg_october_21st_free_shipping_splash.jpg)
What sight?
Based on the URL of the image, guessing
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/Main.aspx? (http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/Main.aspx?)
Did somebody say 10/22? I got a "free" one a few years ago. Friend of mine was cleaning out apartments for his landlord and somebody left one behind. I already had a Savage MkII BTVS with Brunton scope, but my buddy knew I was thinking of getting a 10/22 to customize so he said have at it! Serial number ID showed it as having been made in 1977 and it was in good shape other than really dirty inside. Stripped it, cleaned it, then spent $300 on a barrel, trigger/hammer set, Hogue stock and a cheap Tasco 24X zoom scope. It was as accurate as the Savage (with me doing the shooting) and more fun to shoot (perfect for 22 caliber golf!), so I swapped scopes and sold the BTVS. Encouraged by the crazy amount of options for 10/22s (like Harleys, you can build one without using any OEM parts!), I designed my own billet aluminum stock...lost interest in it but the 3D files and drawings are machine-program ready.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v48/orangelion03/10-22tascoscope.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v48/orangelion03/solidstock.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v48/orangelion03/au-002_x.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v48/orangelion03/SavageMkIIBTVS2sml.jpg)
Did someone say .22 golf??? ;D My dove hunting friends love to "play" when the hunt is slow or in between morning and afternoon shooting. We even hit up all our golf playing friends for old, dead practice or play balls. Hell, we ended up with a 5 gallon Home Depot orange bucket 3/4s full. It'll last a lifetime!! [laugh] We just kind of make up the rules as we go. Fun stuff. My "club" of choice is either the ss/bull barrel 10/22 or the trusty model 94 Winchester. [thumbsup] Great fun goofin' with friends. [popcorn] [beer]
Quote from: fastwin on October 23, 2011, 09:19:26 AM
Did someone say .22 golf??? ;D
Great fun goofin' with friends. [popcorn] [beer]
Agreed! We also like to bust clays...set clays at 100 yards and see how small a piece you can hit with 10 rounds.
so this is going to be a new world for me... i've shot a few guns in the past, and have always loved them... but never owned any. we've recently decided to move my grandpa into an "assisted living community"... and through this I have acquired a bit of an early inheritance... which includes:
Marlin 336C 30-30 Lever Action Rifle
Marlin 336C .35 Remington Lever Action Rifle
â€" these two are the real centerpieces of the collection, both scoped and sighted in very well, one with a look-through sight mount allowing me to still use the rather crude iron sights on the gun... both very well taken care of as well.
Also included...
An old Savage Arms Co. 820B Pump Action 12-Gauge... nothing fancy, but looks to get the job done for home defense and water-fowl.
And a rather interesting Harrington and Richardson Arms Co. Single-Barrel Breach loading 12 gauge that is dating in at around 110 years old...
Anyone with any thoughts on these guns? I've been contemplating turning one of the lever-actions into a more a tactical piece, like so...
(http://i856.photobucket.com/albums/ab122/mkm1911/guns/nana/SSPX0777b.jpg)
The longest drive I ever hit with a golfball was with a 575 grain bullet out of an 58 Cal Enfield musket. That golfball went right out of sight. Hard to hit with the front loader but it was impressive when I finally did connect.
Quote from: WarrenJ on October 23, 2011, 01:57:00 PM
The longest drive I ever hit with a golfball was with a 575 grain bullet out of an 58 Cal Enfield musket. That golfball went right out of sight. Hard to hit with the front loader but it was impressive when I finally did connect.
the only time i fired a large bore black powder was a 4 bore and we did it with golf balls. took me four times to hit it but on the fourth time the ball was obliterated -- just pieces of it everywhere.
Quote from: corey on October 23, 2011, 01:54:17 PM
so this is going to be a new world for me... i've shot a few guns in the past, and have always loved them... but never owned any. we've recently decided to move my grandpa into an "assisted living community"... and through this I have acquired a bit of an early inheritance... which includes:
Marlin 336C 30-30 Lever Action Rifle
Marlin 336C .35 Remington Lever Action Rifle
â€" these two are the real centerpieces of the collection, both scoped and sighted in very well, one with a look-through sight mount allowing me to still use the rather crude iron sights on the gun... both very well taken care of as well.
Also included...
An old Savage Arms Co. 820B Pump Action 12-Gauge... nothing fancy, but looks to get the job done for home defense and water-fowl.
And a rather interesting Harrington and Richardson Arms Co. Single-Barrel Breach loading 12 gauge that is dating in at around 110 years old...
Anyone with any thoughts on these guns? I've been contemplating turning one of the lever-actions into a more a tactical piece, like so...
(http://i856.photobucket.com/albums/ab122/mkm1911/guns/nana/SSPX0777b.jpg)
That's a cool idea and all but I think I would just leave Grandpa's guns as is and go a different tactical gun route. Just my 2 cents. I wouldn't want to mess with any of my late father's guns that I have and one is a pre-64 Winchester 94 in .30-.30. I'd keep them as is and maybe look into an AR platform gun, tactical shotgun or maybe a Scout rifle. Depending on what you really want it for... home defense, tactical competition shooting or just plinking around. So many forks in that road that go to so many places. Lots of options. [thumbsup] Maybe just pick up another inexpensive lever action and mod the heck out of that. I'd take my old model 94 to a gun fight. ;D
Quote from: fastwin on October 23, 2011, 02:38:41 PM
That's a cool idea and all but I think I would just leave Grandpa's guns as is and go a different tactical gun route. Just my 2 cents. I wouldn't want to mess with any of my late father's guns that I have and one is a pre-64 Winchester 94 in .30-.30. I'd keep them as is and maybe look into an AR platform gun, tactical shotgun or maybe a Scout rifle. Depending on what you really want it for... home defense, tactical competition shooting or just plinking around. So many forks in that road that go to so many places. Lots of options. [thumbsup] Maybe just pick up another inexpensive lever action and mod the heck out of that. I'd take my old model 94 to a gun fight. ;D
i think i'm going to follow your advice. i'd hate to screw any of them up. I'll probably invest in some better long-range optics for one, and some short-range optics for the other, and leave them as is. They seem like very capable and reliable firearms as-is from what I've read today on the interwebz.
Dont be too quick to ignore the benefits of iron sights. Adding scopes and accessories to rifles intended to be used inside of a couple of hundred yards is typically counter productive. Marlin and many other lever actions major benefit is their quick handling at closer ranges - if you have a rifle like this, learn to use the irons. I have a pile of very accurate, scope sighted rifles for long range shooting but when I'm hunting in the woods, I carry my Marlin 1895 45-70 with peep sights. Its fast and plenty accurate for game out to a couple of hundred yards.
What he said! [thumbsup]
Quote from: WarrenJ on October 23, 2011, 04:58:38 PM
Dont be too quick to ignore the benefits of iron sights. Adding scopes and accessories to rifles intended to be used inside of a couple of hundred yards is typically counter productive. Marlin and many other lever actions major benefit is their quick handling at closer ranges - if you have a rifle like this, learn to use the irons. I have a pile of very accurate, scope sighted rifles for long range shooting but when I'm hunting in the woods, I carry my Marlin 1895 45-70 with peep sights. Its fast and plenty accurate for game out to a couple of hundred yards.
i was planning on upgrading the irons to something a bit better. the current "bullhorn"-esque ironsights seem okay, but I seem to be having trouble focusing with them. thanks for the advice, I definitely agree. any recco's on a good peep site?
y'all are not appropriately impressed.
this is a 4-bore black powder shell compared with some other rounds:
(http://operatorchan.org/k/arch/src/k90251_4%20bore%20vs%20700%20nitro.jpg)
I've handled a few 4 bores, both cartridge and muzzleloader but I've never had the opportunity to shoot one. Physics says its going to suck. There are a couple of outfits that make some interesting 4 bore muzzleloaders. I've been sort of intrigued by them. A 4 oz round ball is a pretty serious projectile even if you drop it on your foot.
As far as peep sights go - there are several good options
XS Sights
Lyman
Williams
Skinner
All make good functional sights that are purpose built for the Marlins. There are probably some others, but these are the ones I've used with good results.
Quote from: WarrenJ on October 24, 2011, 05:48:08 AM
I've handled a few 4 bores, both cartridge and muzzleloader but I've never had the opportunity to shoot one. Physics says its going to suck. There are a couple of outfits that make some interesting 4 bore muzzleloaders. I've been sort of intrigued by them. A 4 oz round ball is a pretty serious projectile even if you drop it on your foot.
it's not as bad as one might thing given it's black powder, but that only cuts maybe 20% off the blast.
the one I shot had 2000 gr projectiles. It looked like the size of a can of red bull.
Quote from: ducatiz on October 24, 2011, 06:05:30 AM
it's not as bad as one might thing given it's black powder, but that only cuts maybe 20% off the blast.
the one I shot had 2000 gr projectiles. It looked like the size of a can of red bull.
So at what point do you wind up adding wheels & a caisson?
What's the point of a 4 bore?
Novelty or mini artillery?
Seriously.
Quote from: Monsterlover on October 24, 2011, 08:53:00 AM
What's the point of a 4 bore?
Novelty or mini artillery?
Seriously.
old school big game cartridge
black powder guns were much lower power than modern powders. if you wanted to hunt large animals, a .54 caliber ball would have gotten you killed if you shot an elefant with it. it would have just pissed him off.
Quote from: triangleforge on October 24, 2011, 08:35:47 AM
So at what point do you wind up adding wheels & a caisson?
Arnold Schwarzenegger carried a Minigun. It depends on the user. [thumbsup]
(http://becauseitreallyispersonal.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/arnold.jpg)
(http://cdn5.thefirearmsblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/gadaffi_pistol-tm-tfb.jpg)
Allegedly, this is Gadaffi's Hi-Power.
I suppose this isn't quite as tacky as Saddam's gold plated AK-47s, but what is it about dictators as gaudy, bad-taste accessorizing?
And if you're going to get it gold plated and engraved, why not get some nicer grips?
Quote from: zarn02 on October 24, 2011, 11:07:51 AM
(http://cdn5.thefirearmsblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/gadaffi_pistol-tm-tfb.jpg)
Allegedly, this is Gadaffi's Hi-Power.
I suppose this isn't quite as tacky as Saddam's gold plated AK-47s, but what is it about dictators as gaudy, bad-taste accessorizing?
And if you're going to get it gold plated and engraved, why not get some nicer grips?
I bet if he asked anyone about them, they likely agreed that they were indeed the nicest grips they'd ever seen...
Bet he never fired it. If he did that hammer would have bitten the shit out of the web of his hand. Classic Hi-Power/1911 hand bite-itess. [bang] Of course had it done that he would had a village of innocents slaughtered to get back at the Hi-Power. :P [thumbsdown] [roll] Good riddance. [thumbsup]
Quote from: ducatiz on October 24, 2011, 09:17:05 AM
old school big game cartridge
black powder guns were much lower power than modern powders. if you wanted to hunt large animals, a .54 caliber ball would have gotten you killed if you shot an elefant with it. it would have just pissed him off.
That makes sense.
Still.
Damn.
Quote from: Monsterlover on October 24, 2011, 11:50:13 AM
That makes sense.
Still.
Damn.
i know, right? [evil]
i fielded an 8 bore shotgun once too.. muzzle loader. my first shot was low because the barrel was so heavy -- it scarred the ground about 30 feet from us -- it looked like someone took a blow torch and scorched the ground in a fan shape..
Quote from: ducatiz on October 24, 2011, 01:20:28 PM
i know, right? [evil]
i fielded an 8 bore shotgun once too.. muzzle loader. my first shot was low because the barrel was so heavy -- it scarred the ground about 30 feet from us -- it looked like someone took a blow torch and scorched the ground in a fan shape..
4 bore = killing elephants
8 bore = ?
rabid zombie elephants?
Quote from: lethe on October 24, 2011, 01:29:07 PM
4 bore = killing elephants
8 bore = ?
rabid zombie elephants?
4 is bigger than 8. the smaller numbers are like wire gage.
2 bore is absurd.
this are 2 bore shells compared to a 9mm round:
(http://cdn5.thefirearmsblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/825-img-0906-1-1-tm.jpg)
Quote from: lethe on October 24, 2011, 01:29:07 PM
4 bore = killing elephants
8 bore = ?
rabid zombie elephants?
Was the 8 bore a commercial duck gun from the 19th/early 20th centuries? I'd be more impressed, Z, if you'd fired an actual punt gun. ;D (Now that I think about it, that could make a decent fundraising idea for Ducks Unlimited or Chesapeake Bay Foundation - without actual ducks in the way of course, and loading with gravel or something instead of a pound of pure lead...)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punt_gun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punt_gun)
Quote from: triangleforge on October 24, 2011, 01:41:24 PM
Was the 8 bore a commercial duck gun from the 19th/early 20th centuries? I'd be more impressed, Z, if you'd fired an actual punt gun. ;D (Now that I think about it, that could make a decent fundraising idea for Ducks Unlimited or Chesapeake Bay Foundation - without actual ducks in the way of course, and loading with gravel or something instead of a pound of pure lead...)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punt_gun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punt_gun)
lol no, no punt guns. i forget the name, it was a repro of an old make with a real Damascus barrel and everything.
i can't imagine using one of those punt guns. that's just ridiculous. you aren't hunting, you're doing pest control with those.
Quote from: ducatiz on October 24, 2011, 01:37:20 PM
4 is bigger than 8. the smaller numbers are like wire gage.
2 bore is absurd.
this are 2 bore shells compared to a 9mm round:
(http://cdn5.thefirearmsblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/825-img-0906-1-1-tm.jpg)
ok so like wiring sizes (you have to excuse me, I'm pretty much gun dumb but like reading these threads)
that 2 bore looks like it's make a bit of a hole in things [thumbsup]
OK. Next logical question is when is Dillion going to make an Aero mini-gun in 2 bore and 4 bore? [laugh] I'm thinking scorched Earth here. ;D
Do you use the 9mm as a primer to get those other shells going? looks like it would almost fit
Quote from: ducatiz on October 24, 2011, 01:37:20 PM
(http://cdn5.thefirearmsblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/825-img-0906-1-1-tm.jpg)
I think I'm in love.
Size Queen!
;D. ;D. ;D
Shooting Times test-fires a two-bore rifle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXoa5zNn0TU&feature=youtube_gdata_player#)
Yeppers, I'm thinking a PAST recoil pad is appropriate here! ;D
Didn't seem like it was that big of a deal. I've seen 12 gauge slugs that seemed to have more recoil than that. Maybe I'm missing the point. ???
Quote from: cokey on October 24, 2011, 05:54:46 PM
Shooting Times test-fires a two-bore rifle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXoa5zNn0TU&feature=youtube_gdata_player#)
nice..
2500 gr projectile = ~6 ounces, over 1/3 lb of lead.
compare that to a 110 grain 9mm round or a 200 gr 45 round. lol
Quote from: fastwin on October 24, 2011, 06:19:31 PM
Yeppers, I'm thinking a PAST recoil pad is appropriate here! ;D
Didn't seem like it was that big of a deal. I've seen 12 gauge slugs that seemed to have more recoil than that. Maybe I'm missing the point. ???
Heavier the gun less recoil correct? did you see how thick that was.. Guys hand barely fit around it...
Quote from: cokey on October 24, 2011, 08:37:14 PM
Heavier the gun less recoil correct? did you see how thick that was.. Guys hand barely fit around it...
exactly
the video said the gun weight 26 lbs.
that's a single shot break action rifle. 26 friggin lbs.
my mausers all weigh 9-11 lbs unloaded.
Is there a belt-fed version? :)
(http://www.pocketartillery.com/images/pic3.jpg)
http://www.pocketartillery.com/ (http://www.pocketartillery.com/)
I'll take eight.
I'm thinking Christmas presents! Those are cool!
"You'll shoot your eye out!"
Quote from: WarrenJ on October 25, 2011, 05:14:16 PM
I'm thinking Christmas presents! Those are cool!
Great stocking stuffers!! [thumbsup] ;D
Quote from: Punx Clever on October 25, 2011, 09:41:31 PM
"You'll shoot your eye out!"
no shit... [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [clap] [clap] [clap]
I'm thinking of picking up a Kimber Custom II + .22LR conversion kit for myself for a first pistol. Primarily for target range & home defense.
Seems the lower end Kimber at ~ 650-700 isn't all that more than a plastic glock/hk/etc for a better spec/reputation/etc. Picking up the conversion so I can get used to handling it and shooting cheaply before "upgrading" it back to original .45.
Thoughts?
I stopped in at the local "good" gun shop in town. I wrapped my hands around a Ruger 9mm. Thoughts?
Going back Wednesday to get rid of my Jennings Jams-a-Lot as a trade in. When I go back are some other similar 9mm to check out? I'm pretty happy with 9mm from a cost stand point.
JM
Quote from: sqweak on October 31, 2011, 02:00:09 PM
I'm thinking of picking up a Kimber Custom II + .22LR conversion kit for myself for a first pistol. Primarily for target range & home defense.
Seems the lower end Kimber at ~ 650-700 isn't all that more than a plastic glock/hk/etc for a better spec/reputation/etc. Picking up the conversion so I can get used to handling it and shooting cheaply before "upgrading" it back to original .45.
Thoughts?
Do it!! Kimbers are very nice. I have a load of 1911s and several are Kimbers. Never a problem. Ever. I have a "massaged" Springfield Armory .45acp 1911 that I put a Wilson Combat .22lr conversion on. I love it! My 14 year old son loves it! It's been on the pistol for years. I don't even know where the .45 slide/barrel is! What does that tell you? Never a problem with it either. Cheap fun 1911 practice. All good. [thumbsup]
Quote from: the_Journeyman on October 31, 2011, 02:05:48 PM
I stopped in at the local "good" gun shop in town. I wrapped my hands around a Ruger 9mm. Thoughts?
Going back Wednesday to get rid of my Jennings Jams-a-Lot as a trade in. When I go back are some other similar 9mm to check out? I'm pretty happy with 9mm from a cost stand point.
JM
What model?
Quote from: sqweak on October 31, 2011, 02:00:09 PM
I'm thinking of picking up a Kimber Custom II + .22LR conversion kit for myself for a first pistol. Primarily for target range & home defense.
Seems the lower end Kimber at ~ 650-700 isn't all that more than a plastic glock/hk/etc for a better spec/reputation/etc. Picking up the conversion so I can get used to handling it and shooting cheaply before "upgrading" it back to original .45.
Thoughts?
Quote from: fastwin on October 31, 2011, 03:32:27 PM
Do it!!
And, you'll quickly find out that a $700 Kimber is a couple hundred less than an HK.
Thanks Fastwin & Drkwng!
I've mostly shot HK USP, but last winter I shot my brother-in-law's Kimber and liked it quite a bit. He's got one of the fancy custom shop Grand Raptor IIs. Aesthetically, I dig the Eclipse series but it feels like the responsible decision would be to get the most entry level one and spend some time putting some .22 and .45 through before splurging for $1k+ gun that is mostly aesthetic bling additions.
Is it worth springing for the "Target" variant to get the adjustable sights? or if sticking with fixed, for the TLE to get night sights?
Quote from: the_Journeyman on October 31, 2011, 02:05:48 PM
I stopped in at the local "good" gun shop in town. I wrapped my hands around a Ruger 9mm. Thoughts?
Going back Wednesday to get rid of my Jennings Jams-a-Lot as a trade in. When I go back are some other similar 9mm to check out? I'm pretty happy with 9mm from a cost stand point.
JM
I own a Ruger SR9c, what do you want to know?
Quote from: Monsterlover on October 31, 2011, 04:12:18 PM
I own a Ruger SR9c, what do you want to know?
Maybe he's talking LC-9
It's the P-series 9mm. I'm looking for a nice, not too expensive 9mm that is reliable. Is it reliable?
1. 9mm is cheap to shoot and most likely has plenty of self defense power. If I am wrong, point toward a more appropriate caliber, but give reasons.
2. I have a top budget of about $500. Feel free to recommend others in that price range. As much as I would like a Sig or H&K, they're out of range for my budget.
I like the feel of the P-Series 9mm. I can't remember the exact model number. I'm open to other brands too.
JM
Are you stuck on alloy/composite frame?
Is the price for a new pistol?
Quote from: sqweak on October 31, 2011, 03:57:39 PM
Thanks Fastwin & Drkwng!
I've mostly shot HK USP, but last winter I shot my brother-in-law's Kimber and liked it quite a bit. He's got one of the fancy custom shop Grand Raptor IIs. Aesthetically, I dig the Eclipse series but it feels like the responsible decision would be to get the most entry level one and spend some time putting some .22 and .45 through before splurging for $1k+ gun that is mostly aesthetic bling additions.
Is it worth springing for the "Target" variant to get the adjustable sights? or if sticking with fixed, for the TLE to get night sights?
I'd lean toward fixed night sights. I have adjustable sights (old series 70 Colt Gold Cups) on very few of my 1911s. The gunsmith customs have Novaks, Meprolight or Trijicon night sights. As well as more modern off the shelf Kimbers, etc. My 2 cents. ;)
Quote from: the_Journeyman on October 31, 2011, 04:21:41 PM
It's the P-series 9mm. I'm looking for a nice, not too expensive 9mm that is reliable. Is it reliable?
1. 9mm is cheap to shoot and most likely has plenty of self defense power. If I am wrong, point toward a more appropriate caliber, but give reasons.
2. I have a top budget of about $500. Feel free to recommend others in that price range. As much as I would like a Sig or H&K, they're out of range for my budget.
I like the feel of the P-Series 9mm. I can't remember the exact model number. I'm open to other brands too.
JM
I'd also take a look at the S&W M&P series. They've got really nice ergos (for me anyhow), are rugged and if you look around hard/long enough, you can find them new for right about $400.
Quote from: the_Journeyman on October 31, 2011, 04:21:41 PM
It's the P-series 9mm. I'm looking for a nice, not too expensive 9mm that is reliable. Is it reliable?
1. 9mm is cheap to shoot and most likely has plenty of self defense power. If I am wrong, point toward a more appropriate caliber, but give reasons.
2. I have a top budget of about $500. Feel free to recommend others in that price range. As much as I would like a Sig or H&K, they're out of range for my budget.
I like the feel of the P-Series 9mm. I can't remember the exact model number. I'm open to other brands too.
JM
Its reliable. Never had it malfunction in probably 1000 rounds. The SR9c is cool because its a compact but can have a full sized grip if you run the big mag (takes the same mags as the SR9.)
Best thing to do is handle a few guns and see which feels best.
Quote from: the_Journeyman on October 31, 2011, 04:21:41 PM
It's the P-series 9mm. I'm looking for a nice, not too expensive 9mm that is reliable. Is it reliable?
1. 9mm is cheap to shoot and most likely has plenty of self defense power. If I am wrong, point toward a more appropriate caliber, but give reasons.
2. I have a top budget of about $500. Feel free to recommend others in that price range. As much as I would like a Sig or H&K, they're out of range for my budget.
I like the feel of the P-Series 9mm. I can't remember the exact model number. I'm open to other brands too.
JM
Most of the P series is fairly similar. They are rock solid guns. None of them will win beauty contests, but they perform excellently. Massad Ayoob raved about them when they came out, he called them "the Brick"..
I have a P94 in 9mm I'm selling if you're interested. I have like 6 mags with it too. I make you a deal.
Quote from: ducpainter on October 31, 2011, 04:43:11 PM
Are you stuck on alloy/composite frame?
Is the price for a new pistol?
New or good condition used is ok. If it's been properly taken care of.
Not stuck on anything particular honestly. I don't want *too* small though. I handled a Taurus that was really thin, but I didn't like it. I've had my hands on several. I like how Sig feels, the Ruger feels good too. I didn't like Glock as much in my hand. Haven't had my hands on a Beretta or Springfield yet.
Ducatiz - Drop me a PM when you get time with what you're talking about.
Quote from: DRKWNG on October 31, 2011, 06:30:01 PM
He'll also love you long time.
:D
JM
Quote from: DRKWNG on October 31, 2011, 06:30:01 PM
He'll also love you long time.
No, I'll just romance you all night and leave empty beer cans in your fridge in the morning.
Check out CZ's
Quote from: ducatiz on October 31, 2011, 06:36:28 PM
No, I'll just romance you all night and leave empty beer cans in your fridge in the morning.
Calm down counselor. [roll]
Quote from: ducatiz on October 31, 2011, 06:36:28 PM
No, I'll just make the beast with two backs you in the ass and leave empty beer cans in your fridge.
That's make the beast with two backsed up....
He doesn't drink canned beer!
;D
Quote from: rgramjet on October 31, 2011, 06:41:49 PM
That's make the beast with two backsed up....
He doesn't drink canned beer!
;D
I only drink whisky, I was going to find some in the trash and put them there... lol
Quote from: ducatiz on October 31, 2011, 06:41:30 PM
[puke]
Calm down...or grow the make the beast with two backs up.
I'm not make the beast with two backsing around.
Quote from: ducpainter on October 31, 2011, 06:44:06 PM
Calm down...or grow the make the beast with two backs up.
I'm not make the beast with two backsing around.
:)
Quote from: ducpainter on October 31, 2011, 06:38:06 PM
Check out CZ's
This. CZ75. Quite possibly the most ergonomic handgun ever.
Dead nuts reliable to boot.
Little bit of Browning Hi-Power in them if I'm not mistaken.
[drool] [bow_down]
Quote from: The Zombie Pip on October 31, 2011, 09:58:41 PM
This. CZ75. Quite possibly the most ergonomic handgun ever.
Dead nuts reliable to boot.
Little bit of Browning Hi-Power in them if I'm not mistaken.
[drool] [bow_down]
Browning linkless system, as used by almost all semi-autos, and the safety are about it.
Quote from: ducatiz on October 31, 2011, 10:07:01 PM
Browning linkless system, as used by almost all semi-autos, and the safety are about it.
Well shit. I wasn't mistaken, but it was a smaller amount than I remembered. ;) Oh well.
Still a fabulous firearm.
I lust powerfully after a CZ-75.
Quote from: The Zombie Pip on October 31, 2011, 09:58:41 PM
This. CZ75. Quite possibly the most ergonomic handgun ever.
Dead nuts reliable to boot.
Little bit of Browning Hi-Power in them if I'm not mistaken.
[drool] [bow_down]
The 75 was an adaptation of the Hi-Power.
Since then the CZ 75 has probably been the most cloned pistol.
They come in all flavors...alloy/polymer/all steel
Compact/fullsize 9mm and 40S&W
They even have a 45acp
I have an 85 which is an ambi version.
The only downside is they can be particular about hollow point ammo as they were designed for round nose.
My wife has had a CZ 75 for years. She went through LFI-1 with it and did well. Very reliable, ergonomic and reasonably priced.
Quote from: ducpainter on November 01, 2011, 04:04:18 AM
The 75 was an adaptation of the Hi-Power.
I'd have to say I disagree with that. With the exception of the linkless Browning cam, and the safety, that's really about it. Maybe you could say the box mag design is similar, but the angle of feed is different as are the followers and everyone and their mother uses the linkless Browning system unless it's a blowback pistol. Slide lock systems are different too -- I always was ambivalent about that long-ass slide lock on the HP.
The original HiPower was a single action gun, it had a full length recoil system, 13 rounds (CZ has 15), traditional internal slide rails.
The CZ was designed from the ground up to be a double action, has a short recoil system, 15 rounds and innovative external slide rails.
The grips are similar (ergos and look) but that's more a function of the European style than anything else. European guns have always had a similar grip feel, compare them to the 1911, which many people here prefer.
That's exactly what I'd consider that an adaptation.
I suppose it's semantics.
I don't feel that CZ cloned the Hi-Power.
I gotcha, but using that reasoning, then every tilt-barrel pistol since 1930 is an adaptation.
What has always intrigued me is that no one has come up with anything since then.
All pistols are either blowback fixed barrels or Browning linkless cammed tilting barrels.
Talk about being before your time.
Quote from: ducatiz on November 01, 2011, 06:26:53 AM
I gotcha, but using that reasoning, then every tilt-barrel pistol since 1930 is an adaptation.
What has always intrigued me is that no one has come up with anything since then.
All pistols are either blowback fixed barrels or Browning linkless cammed tilting barrels.
Talk about being before your time.
I think all of that is accurate.
The slide rails on the CZ are (at least to me) the most innovative part of the pistol. One of the CZ75s I have doesn't even have any import marks on it! No way I can remember where I got it. Been too long. Wish I had a dollar for every IPSC gun built up on this design. Tangfolio's bank account is fat.
You want a good reliable 9mm... look no further.
Quote from: fastwin on November 01, 2011, 07:03:47 AM
The slide rails on the CZ are (at least to me) the most innovative part of the pistol. One of the CZ75s I have doesn't even have any import marks on it! No way I can remember where I got it. Been too long. Wish I had a dollar for every IPSC gun built up on this design. Tangfolio's bank account is fat.
You want a good reliable 9mm... look no further.
I have one of the old Action Arms CZ85 models with the forged frame and no pin safety -- pre "B". I love it, I barely use it because I love it so much -- I should buy a later model that I would be willing to slag up a bit.
All this gun talk is giving me the shakes. [laugh] I am heading to my buddy's ranch in west Texas Thursday for several days for some serious make the beast with two backs off time with the guys. [thumbsup] Cooking steaks on the grill, drinking many cold adult beverages, smoking cigars, massive bullshit sessions, did I mention lots of eating and drinking, maybe some sleep, possible feral hog shooting (if one wanders into my scope's path!) and more make the beast with two backsing off. ;D
One of the guy's college age sons will be joining us. He's got a bad ass Rem 700 in .308 he's built up and needs to be doped in. Another friend and I have ARs that need the same. Buddy's son has been emailing me about pistols. He wants an auto, has several wheel guns, but doesn't know which way to go. Brand, model, 9mm, .45acp, etc??
I am going to let him test drive a wide variety of my stuff. CZ75, Hi-Power, SIG 220 (.45), 228, 226, Beretta 92FS, HK USP, Glock 26,19,17,34 and several .45acp 1911s. Told him to bring some ammo, ear muffs and Advil. Taking plenty of ISPC cardboard and some extra Artzen steel targets and stands. My old Suburban's trailer hitch will be throwing sparks it will be so loaded down! [laugh] But it will be much lighter on the return run!! [thumbsup] [beer] [popcorn] Can't wait, weather is going to be great!! About damn time. >:(
That sounds like an insanely good time, man. [bow_down]
Quote from: The Zombie Pip on November 01, 2011, 01:54:15 PM
That sounds like an insanely good time, man. [bow_down]
+1,000,000,000,000,000
Quote from: The Zombie Pip on November 01, 2011, 01:54:15 PM
That sounds like an insanely good time, man. [bow_down]
You know, it does doesn't it! ;) [beer] No kid, no wife, no dog (OK, I'll miss the dog! [laugh]) and the best part?? Bad cell phone service and no hard line!!! [cheeky] [clap] [bow_down] [popcorn]
Bring the dog. Problem solved. ;)
Quote from: fastwin on November 01, 2011, 02:01:22 PM
You know, it does doesn't it! ;) [beer] No kid, no wife, no dog (OK, I'll miss the dog! [laugh]) and the best part?? Bad cell phone service and no hard line!!! [cheeky] [clap] [bow_down] [popcorn]
Sounds exactly like my hunt camp in the mountains of SW VA. Used to love that I had zero cell coverage.....had to go to the local gas station to check in at home via pay phone. Nowadays the phones ring away in the cabin.
Sometimes technology sucks....
Quote from: ducatiz on November 01, 2011, 07:37:35 AM
I have one of the old Action Arms CZ85 models with the forged frame and no pin safety -- pre "B". I love it, I barely use it because I love it so much -- I should buy a later model that I would be willing to slag up a bit.
Buy an 85 Combat.
No FPB and adjustable rear sight
Quote from: rgramjet on November 01, 2011, 02:13:29 PM
Sounds exactly like my hunt camp in the mountains of SW VA. Used to love that I had zero cell coverage.....had to go to the local gas station to check in at home via pay phone. Nowadays the phones ring away in the cabin.
Sometimes technology sucks....
Yeah, you don't hear us complain much about the shitty service. [laugh] And the dog is a weird city dog. I think the wide open spaces, no paved sidewalks and potential wildlife encounters freak her out. Too bad.
As far as your friends 308 goes - I just worked up a great load in my wifes 700 VTR in 308 using BLC-2 and a Berger 155 low drag. It shot .450" ctc @ 100 and she clipped two prairie dogs in two consecutive shots in Wyoming with it at about 550 yards. Great load, about as flat a long range load as a 308 can shoot, with a bullet that is super accurate and actually works pretty good on meat. She'll carry it hunting the open fields here for deer and her 35 Whelen in the woods.
Quote from: fastwin on November 01, 2011, 02:01:22 PM
You know, it does doesn't it! ;) [beer] No kid, no wife, no dog (OK, I'll miss the dog! [laugh]) and the best part?? Bad cell phone service and no hard line!!! [cheeky] [clap] [bow_down] [popcorn]
I think I'm flying down to help. Sounds like a killer weekend.
Quote from: ducpainter on November 01, 2011, 02:34:56 PM
Buy an 85 Combat.
No FPB and adjustable rear sight
I haven't seen that one yet -- but it's still cast not forged like the old ones.. :-)
Quote from: Monsterlover on November 01, 2011, 05:52:45 PM
I think I'm flying down to help. Sounds like a killer weekend.
Damn, how could it not be? What's not to like? One of the guys has a wife with hard core Italian heritage and she makes her Mom's pasta sauce that's to die for. Steaks one night from the owner of the property who used to be the sous chef at one of the most classic high end restaurants in town. He could grill a damn tennis shoe that would melt in your mouth! [drool] And for fun he and I will do chili dogs one night. I'll cook the Wick Fowlers 2 Alarm chili, he'll do the dogs. The rest we will just handle on the fly between Bloody Marys, beer and margaritas. Breakfast tacos, deli sandwiches for lunch, brats/hot links on the grill. And I forget, did I mention drinking and cigar smoking after shooting? Sounds like a DIMBY with guns instead of bikes!! We might even set something on fire to make the get together complete! [laugh] [cheeky] [popcorn]
Actually, now that I think about it, the owner set the old, piece of shit mobile home we used to stay in on fire spring of 2010. He had a real house built (very nice!) and the mobile home was falling apart and critter infested. We drug it off with the tractor to the far end of the ranch. About 3/4s the way home he calls me and says he wants to burn it... do I want to come back for the fun. Shit I'm 150 miles down the road!! Couldn't go back.
Some friends come up from Austin, get drunk, call the Sheriff, volunteer fire dept. and neighbors to warn them and torch it! [thumbsup] The pictures were awesome! Flames were shooting out of one end like a space shuttle launch! The fire was so damn hot it warped the two main steel frame rails. They were twisted big time! On a later trip we used the bucket on his Case tractor to dig a big ass hole and buried the remains. Damn I wish I had been there. [bang] Nothing more fun than burning stuff or blowing it up! I obviously have my Dad's genes. [laugh] ;)
Tannerite!
Quote from: ducatiz on November 01, 2011, 06:23:33 PM
I haven't seen that one yet -- but it's still cast not forged like the old ones.. :-)
Shoot a new one before you go getting all elitist. :-*
Quote from: WarrenJ on November 01, 2011, 08:31:55 PM
Tannerite!
+11tb [evil]
Friend of a friend's place a while back:
Tannerite VR IceCream Truck (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuDDbm4vIVM#)
Quote from: ducpainter on November 02, 2011, 03:59:11 AM
Shoot a new one before you go getting all elitist. :-*
Nah, that's not what I was feeling, I am sure the new ones are fine.
Casting has come a long way -- all of Ruger's receivers -- rifles and pistols -- are investment cast and have proven to be excellent. Most M14 receivers made today are also investment cast, in fact I believe most of them are made by Ruger's subsidiary, Pinetree Casting -- which also makes a huge number of appliance and automotive castings.
Quote from: ducatiz on November 02, 2011, 05:45:21 AM
Nah, that's not what I was feeling, I am sure the new ones are fine.
Casting has come a long way -- all of Ruger's receivers -- rifles and pistols -- are investment cast and have proven to be excellent. Most M14 receivers made today are also investment cast, in fact I believe most of them are made by Ruger's subsidiary, Pinetree Casting -- which also makes a huge number of appliance and automotive castings.
IMO, CZ's in general are a great buy...both pistols and rifles. High quality and reasonably priced. I guess there are some issues with the Huglu shotguns, but CZ seems to be standing behind them from what I hear.
The prices on the pre-b models are starting to climb though.
I know where there is a pre-b 75 that will be mine if it's still there after the house is finished.
Quote from: ducpainter on November 02, 2011, 06:01:17 AM
IMO, CZ's in general are a great buy...both pistols and rifles. High quality and reasonably priced. I guess there are some issues with the Huglu shotguns, but CZ seems to be standing behind them from what I hear.
Yep, I have seen the same thing -- the cz stuff is excellent.
What have you hard about Huglu? I thought they were pretty good. Turkey has a big firearm industry and we see so few of them here. I was shocked how many gun shops there are in Istanbul.
Quote
The prices on the pre-b models are starting to climb though.
I know where there is a pre-b 75 that will be mine if it's still there after the house is finished.
nope, already picked it up.
Quote from: ducatiz on November 02, 2011, 06:11:48 AM
Yep, I have seen the same thing -- the cz stuff is excellent.
What have you hard about Huglu? I thought they were pretty good. Turkey has a big firearm industry and we see so few of them here. I was shocked how many gun shops there are in Istanbul.
nope, already picked it up.
I guess there have been some firing pin issues with the new semi and general quality issues. Nothing that warranty hasn't taken care of. You understand how all the happy people shut up and use their purchase and the unhappy ones spout on the net. ;)
I was there yesterday...nice try. :-*
Quote from: ducpainter on November 02, 2011, 06:31:10 AM
I was there yesterday...nice try. :-*
internet purchases are great... !
Quote from: ducatiz on November 02, 2011, 08:03:12 AM
internet purchases are great... !
The internet stops 1 house north of me.
The gun shop is 3 houses north. ;)
Quote from: ducpainter on November 02, 2011, 03:28:27 PM
The internet stops 1 house north of me.
The gun shop is 3 houses north. ;)
If this was a high math problem that would mean: Nate goes to the gun shop everytime he posts on the DMF.
Quote from: ducpainter on November 02, 2011, 03:28:27 PM
The internet stops 1 house north of me.
The gun shop is 3 houses north. ;)
So when someone asks them to check something online, do they say "The Intahnet cahn't get heah from theah" or is that just across the border in Maine?
Quote from: triangleforge on November 03, 2011, 03:05:02 PM
So when someone asks them to check something online, do they say "The Intahnet cahn't get heah from theah" or is that just across the border in Maine?
yes [cheeky]
Took the new .357 out for some range time today! It feels great with either .38 or .357 Mag in it. The sights seem a bit off, so we're going to take it to an indoor range soon and do some sight-in work with it.
On the other hand, C is a novice with guns and she did really well. We were shooting at 20 yards and she kept all but 2 shots on the small 11x14 target. I also showed her how to clean a gun properly today.
JM
For the CZ fans
CZ 75 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgDhURHa0OQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player#)
Quote from: Monsterlover on November 06, 2011, 05:32:27 AM
For the CZ fans
CZ 75 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgDhURHa0OQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player#)
They're better with 124 gr.
Pressing on the primer to remove the slide lock pin.
Brilliant.
Anyone have experience with the .300 AAC Blackout? .223 case pushing a .30 bullet. The AR looks like a great platform for a supressor. Also uses standard 5.56 mags.
Thoughts?
Quote from: rgramjet on November 06, 2011, 06:58:24 AM
Anyone have experience with the .300 AAC Blackout? .223 case pushing a .30 bullet. The AR looks like a great platform for a supressor. Also uses standard 5.56 mags.
Thoughts?
I just started a build. Midway USA has decently priced barrels. I may convert my AR pistol as well.
Quote from: zach on November 06, 2011, 07:13:14 AM
I just started a build. Midway USA has decently priced barrels. I may convert my AR pistol as well.
Details Man, I need details!
Quote from: rgramjet on November 06, 2011, 04:12:39 PM
Details Man, I need details!
I guess I was a little vague ;D
Suppressed 300 Blackout
YHM upper and lower
Delton Parts kit
geissele trigger
Wilson Combat 16" barrel
Undetermined free float forearm
Undetermined stock
Magpul BUIS
This will be my pig gun. Currently using a suppressed 5.56, but rather have something a little quieter. The 5.56 still has the supersonic crack.
Sweeet. Mmmmmm... pig gun! [thumbsup] [popcorn] [bacon]
Mmmmmm...pig
:D
What twist are you using in the 30-221? I made a couple guys some custom bullets for bolt action suppressed 300 Whispers - IIRC they were 230 - 240 grains with a large lead tip and a rebated boattail. The guy was using them for harvesting deer on a deer farm while making a minimum of noise. I shot the bolt action Whisper and all you heard was the firing pin falling and the action tightening up and the bullet hitting the target, there was virtually no muzzle signature at all.
It had a 20 or 22 inch barrel and a large custom built brake and it completely ate up that little powder charge.
1 in 8" twist. I'm planning on starting with a 220gr Sierra Match King for my subsonic round.
Not wanting to rub it in but my goof off/shooting festival trip to my friend's west TX ranch was kick ass! Booze, cigars, GREAT food, some sleep here and there and shooting all day Friday and Saturday!! [thumbsup] [popcorn] My buddy and another friend built an awesome dirt berm for rifle shooting right before the opening of dove season. They cleaned out his drought ravaged stock tank (it's a big one!) with a rented dozer and his Case with a front end loader and box blade. Did a real nice job and used the excess dirt for the berm. New neighbor built a house on his property since last dove season. It's out of sight but right in line with our line of fire. The new, tall berm was really needed for safety reasons.
We dumped an untold amount of lead down range. Which is nice. ;D Had a couple of close range 1/2 size ISPC steel targets on stands (thank you very much Arntzen Steel Targets!) for pistol work, and a 6" and 10" steel circle targets on stands at about 140-150 yards on the big berm. Had two stands for cardboard IPSCs with Shoot-N-C stickers at 50 and 100 for scope sighting along with my spoting scope.
We got several scoped rifles doped in and had 4-6 of us shooting in non stop rotation. If you weren't busting caps you were either reloading or spray painting the steel for the next guy. Nice to see the Arntzen T500 steel targets handle the .223s and .308s so well. Hadn't used a .308 on them yet and you really couldn't tell the difference in the smalll dings between the calibers. They'll last for years! [thumbsup]
A friend's grown son has been trying to decide on an auto pistol so I took a wide variety of stuff for him to play with. He fell in love with my Glock 34 with aftermarket sights. I figured he would lean the .45acp 1911 way but I guessed wrong. Oh well, the 34 is a great pistol. He liked the longer barrel and sight radius over the 19 and 17. The 3.5 lb trigger was a plus too. I had to make sure it was still in my range bag when I left... he liked it that much!! [laugh]
Good times with good friends and lots of good BS, laughing and shooting. Hard to beat! It was nice to enjoy some cool fall weather for a change. The younger guys went hunting for deer and hogs but saw nothing. Lots of sign around the feeders but that was all.
Oh well, looking forward to the next repeat performance! [beer] Excuse me, but I have a few guns to go clean. ;)
http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=441 (http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=441)
So nice!
Quote from: fastwin on November 08, 2011, 03:23:28 PM
Not wanting to rub it in but my goof off/shooting festival trip to my friend's west TX ranch was kick ass! Booze, cigars, GREAT food, some sleep here and there and shooting all day Friday and Saturday!! [thumbsup] [popcorn] My buddy and another friend built an awesome dirt berm for rifle shooting right before the opening of dove season. They cleaned out his drought ravaged stock tank (it's a big one!) with a rented dozer and his Case with a front end loader and box blade. Did a real nice job and used the excess dirt for the berm. New neighbor built a house on his property since last dove season. It's out of sight but right in line with our line of fire. The new, tall berm was really needed for safety reasons.
We dumped an untold amount of lead down range. Which is nice. ;D Had a couple of close range 1/2 size ISPC steel targets on stands (thank you very much Arntzen Steel Targets!) for pistol work, and a 6" and 10" steel circle targets on stands at about 140-150 yards on the big berm. Had two stands for cardboard IPSCs with Shoot-N-C stickers at 50 and 100 for scope sighting along with my spoting scope.
We got several scoped rifles doped in and had 4-6 of us shooting in non stop rotation. If you weren't busting caps you were either reloading or spray painting the steel for the next guy. Nice to see the Arntzen T500 steel targets handle the .223s and .308s so well. Hadn't used a .308 on them yet and you really couldn't tell the difference in the smalll dings between the calibers. They'll last for years! [thumbsup]
A friend's grown son has been trying to decide on an auto pistol so I took a wide variety of stuff for him to play with. He fell in love with my Glock 34 with aftermarket sights. I figured he would lean the .45acp 1911 way but I guessed wrong. Oh well, the 34 is a great pistol. He liked the longer barrel and sight radius over the 19 and 17. The 3.5 lb trigger was a plus too. I had to make sure it was still in my range bag when I left... he liked it that much!! [laugh]
Good times with good friends and lots of good BS, laughing and shooting. Hard to beat! It was nice to enjoy some cool fall weather for a change. The younger guys went hunting for deer and hogs but saw nothing. Lots of sign around the feeders but that was all.
Oh well, looking forward to the next repeat performance! [beer] Excuse me, but I have a few guns to go clean. ;)
What? No Oil Drums of Tannerite?
Quote from: rgramjet on November 16, 2011, 06:21:46 AM
http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=441 (http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=441)
So nice!
I like the carbine setup better. The main problem I have with the AR is the recoil system, prohibiting a proper folding stock. they came up with that goofy ass telescoping stock for the M4 which most people Set and Forget. A folding stock has far more use.
One of the reasons I love the Daewoo AR100 and the original AR180.
Quote from: ducatiz on November 16, 2011, 07:41:04 AM
I like the carbine setup better. The main problem I have with the AR is the recoil system, prohibiting a proper folding stock. they came up with that goofy ass telescoping stock for the M4 which most people Set and Forget. A folding stock has far more use.
One of the reasons I love the Daewoo AR100 and the original AR180.
I her ya re the folding stock. The lower pistol has a rear rail........I wonder if there is a folding stock setup that will work.
Years ago I had a SIG 500 and a 551. I really liked the folding stock on those rifles. Damn, what was I thinking when I sold them? [bang] :P I liked the way the mags link together too... wish AR mags did that.
Quote from: rgramjet on November 16, 2011, 08:29:59 AM
I her ya re the folding stock. The lower pistol has a rear rail........I wonder if there is a folding stock setup that will work.
sure, if you pay the $200 tax.. :-)
Quote from: fastwin on November 16, 2011, 09:18:06 AM
Years ago I had a SIG 500 and a 551. I really liked the folding stock on those rifles. Damn, what was I thinking when I sold them? [bang] :P I liked the way the mags link together too... wish AR mags did that.
where the hell did you pick up a SIG 500??
Ooops! Typo!! 500???? [roll] It was a 550 and a 551. The 551 being the shorter version of the 550. My bad. Neat guns. No telling what those would go for now. Actually I don't want to know. [bang] Only semi auto I have now worth anything is a sear cut, G series lightweight FAL. And I don't even want to know what it's worth.
There was a time when I had 2 SIG AMT's :-\
One was Sarco marked, the other was SIG Virginia marked
I had a SIG AMT and a PE57 at one time too. Loved the AMT so much I had a AD in my garage with it! [bang] Nothing like capping off a .308 inside your garage! [roll] Yes, major dumbass move. Lesson learned. Always check you mags before you dry fire. At least it was pointed in a safe direction. Pay attention people... don't do what I did! >:( PE57 ammo was damn hard to find. Neat rifle but didn't mind seeing it go to someone else.
Yes the Swiss ammo price and availability always kept me away from the PE57 tho I think that was the nicer looking rifle over the AMT....
I paid around 2200 for them each back in the early 1990's....they were sold off to pay toward college tuition bills for the kids
Had an AD at the range this year....my first ever.....M14SA convinced myself I had fired my last round, dropped the magazine, left the rifle on the bench
got the gun case put it on the bench, picked up the rifle pointing it down range,
not realizing the action was in battery with a round....I wrongfully assumed/thought/imagined I had sent the bolt home after I dropped the mag
pulled the trigger to release the hammer
on what I thought was an empty chamber before casing the rifle...
bang
that really rattled my safe weapons handling self-confidence...big time
My AMT experience exactly. Thought the mag was dry... and it was considering the last round got stripped off into the chamber. Ahhh, chamber check??? [bang] Pulled the trigger to drop the hammer before going into the safe. SURPRISE!! :o Always pointed out an open garage window straight into the middle of my backyard to dry fire. No harm done on the receiving end. But still feel like a complete dumbass 20 years later. Don't mind talking about it because it reminds me of the lesson learned and hopefully it strikes a note with others. [thumbsup]
I had a PE57 too, but I bought into the ammo when the Schmidt Rubens first came over. I bought 6 of those cardboard cases for $90 each, I think they are around 300 each now.. I sold the PE and still have the SR, I like bolt rifles a lot.
My rule now is whenever there is cheap ammo, I buy it whether or not I have a gun for it.
I bought a pallet of Tokarev ammo at 8c/rd and just this week got around to ordering an AR upper in Tok. I'll pick it up in a few weeks.
i also bought a shitload of 5.45 when it was still 10c/rd. I don't know if I'll get an AR upper or an AK74. I don't have to, maybe I'll wait until the prices go up and people start dumping them due to ammo cost.
Ammo is always a winning investment esp milsurp ammo. When you see some cheap stuff, buy as much as you can afford. it will always end up running out and you can sell it for more.
Let me tell you about the pallet of Hirt 7.62 I got almost 10 years ago....
That's why I still have un-opened cases of Norinco ammo that I got in the early 90s. Dirt cheap. As a matter of fact the guy I got it from, Michael Tenny, was one of the founders of Cheaper Than Dirt. He parlayed all that cheap Norinco ammo/SKS sales profits into CTD then cashed in again on the Y2K craziness!! Wonder how many trailer loads of MREs he sold in 1999? [laugh] Nothing wrong with buying cheap ammo. It always goes up, never down. And they don't run without gas! ;)
Quote from: fastwin on November 16, 2011, 11:49:47 AM
My AMT experience exactly. Thought the mag was dry... and it was considering the last round got stripped off into the chamber. Ahhh, chamber check??? [bang] Pulled the trigger to drop the hammer before going into the safe. SURPRISE!! :o Always pointed out an open garage window straight into the middle of my backyard to dry fire. No harm done on the receiving end. But still feel like a complete dumbass 20 years later. Don't mind talking about it because it reminds me of the lesson learned and hopefully it strikes a note with others. [thumbsup]
Yup, mine really shook me up.....more because I have 50 plus years of safe gun handling and never had a f-up on my part
hope this isn't a trend starting
good reminder that no matter how sharp I think I am
my inner-idiot can and will launch successful surprise attacks
and these days I am hyper-vigilant about pulling old-age shit
Quote from: ducatiz on November 16, 2011, 12:04:59 PM
Let me tell you about the pallet of Hirt 7.62 I got almost 10 years ago....
I hate you
Quote from: RAT900 on November 16, 2011, 12:15:56 PM
Yup, mine really shook me up.....more because I have 50 plus years of safe gun handling and never had a f-up on my part
hope this isn't a trend starting
good reminder that no matter how sharp I think I am
my inner-idiot can and will launch successful surprise attacks
and these days I am hyper-vigilant about pulling old-age shit
Right there with you brother! [thumbsup] Like motorcycle riders and the "those that have crashed and those that will crash" saying, accidental discharges are just part of a life long gun handling experience. You spend your whole life trying to not crash or have an AD but somehow they sneak up on you and happen. I tell my 14+ year old step son all the time that he will screw up sooner or later. Just make sure you follow all the other safety rules. The "always point it in a safe direction" rule saved my ass. Not proud of it but I'm also not ashamed to talk about it. Kind of leaves a lasting impression on you. Hopefully it has that effect on others.
Quote from: RAT900 on November 16, 2011, 12:15:56 PM
Yup, mine really shook me up.....more because I have 50 plus years of safe gun handling and never had a f-up on my part
hope this isn't a trend starting
good reminder that no matter how sharp I think I am
my inner-idiot can and will launch successful surprise attacks
and these days I am hyper-vigilant about pulling old-age shit
I had an AD about 15 or 20 years ago. Loading up the 30-30 win in the parking lot to go hunting with my dad. I pushed the first round in, worked the lever to chamber the round and as I was moving the hammer to the safe position it slipped out from under my thumb (wearing winter gloves) and it went off.
Muzzle was pointed at the ground and it rained dirt for a few seconds. Left a really nice crater.
I load up with bare hands now.
Also, whatever I'm shooting I don't go down range, put it in the car, or lock it up without a mag AND a chamber check. Well, more specifically (at the range) I don't go down range without locking the action open on whatever I'm shooting. Since I mostly shoot pistols these days, that comes with dropping the mag out as well.
More good thinking. [thumbsup]
First time for everything ;D
Quote from: RAT900 on November 16, 2011, 12:16:54 PM
I hate you
[evil]
I have a bunch of Port 7.62 and the hot Aussie L4 stuff too. It's not as good as the Hirt, but damn haven't 7.62 prices gone thru the make the beast with two backsin roof?
Just do what I do. Tell your wife it's an investment. "Look at what Wolf 7.62x39 was selling for in 2001 and look it's selling for now!" Especially the milsurp stuff -- do you think they are going to clear out those store houses of 7.62x54r soon ? probably not, but they will one day and they sure won't be making more of it. Some of it is real shit, but if you have Mosins, they eat it up. (Try the Albanian stuff, it smells like a dead cat, ugh!!)..
Buy a pallet of it. or two. When it runs dry, and doubles in price, sell off half- - voila, free ammo.
8mm mauser anyone? All that Turk and Romanian stuff that came in for a while? All gone, it was literally 5c/round when they started dumping it. Some of the Turk stuff had verdigris on it -- put it in a shell tumbler with corn husk and it polished it right off.
I remember years ago a Class III buddy had a Browning 1919 .30 cal machine gun. No way could you afford .30-06 ammo in bulk even back then so he (and other 1919 owners) got barrels chambered in 8mm. His was some middle eastern stuff but it was dirt cheap by the case and ran like a freight train! Loaded right up in the cotton ammo belts and fed/extracted fine. Don't recall if it was boxer or berdan primed, might have even been corrosive. Didn't matter. We always stripped it down and cleaned her over beers before we left the range. Good times. [thumbsup]
I really thought we were going to see a bonanza of Russian caliber stuff when Iraq went under...we might yet.....
I have been reloading .223, 30-06 and .308 for years to offset match ammo prices
but that economic window has been closing with the cost of primers and powder lately >:(
All my re-loading friends have been pregnant doging the last couple of years. Seems like something set it all in motion and NO, I'm not going political here!! You don't either! >:( Things just went crazy as far as re-loading components went. Ammo and primers were like kryptonite. Seems to have calmed down a bit. [thumbsup]
Quote from: fastwin on November 16, 2011, 03:53:57 PM
All my re-loading friends have been pregnant doging the last couple of years. Seems like something set it all in motion and NO, I'm not going political here!! You don't either! >:( Things just went crazy as far as re-loading components went. Ammo and primers were like kryptonite. Seems to have calmed down a bit. [thumbsup]
The price of everything is insane.
Go buy building materials. [bang] [bang] [bang]
Quote from: fastwin on November 16, 2011, 03:53:57 PM
All my re-loading friends have been pregnant doging the last couple of years. Seems like something set it all in motion and NO, I'm not going political here!! You don't either! >:( Things just went crazy as far as re-loading components went. Ammo and primers were like kryptonite. Seems to have calmed down a bit. [thumbsup]
Once all this kerfluffle burns out we'll get plenty. The port and hirt was from the vietnam and rhodesian conflicts.
I picked up some Lithuanian 7.62 ball with a GGG headstamp - its probably the best 308 ball I've ever shot - if you see some, grab it - you won't be disappointed.
shit, new and used guns are practically the same price not to mention reloads too. the last gun show I attended made me think twice about purchasing used again......for now until that 50 cal shows up. :o
CZ75 SP01. Discuss.
CZ75s rock. Tanfoglio re-wrote IPSC history with their high quality CZ knock offs. [thumbsup]
http://www.tanfoglio.it/ (http://www.tanfoglio.it/)
The 75s are rock solid 9mm pistols.
http://www.cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-75-sp-01/ (http://www.cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-75-sp-01/)
Quote from: DRKWNG on November 22, 2011, 04:03:32 PM
CZ75 SP01. Discuss.
I have to admit I'm a fan.
I like the beaver tail on the SP.
I'll take it. ;)
I was betting you'd chime in about CZs! [beer]
I was hoping he would. I fondled one for the first time over the weekend and really liked the way it felt. Now trying to decide if I'd rather have the SP-01 or deal with the decocker only format of the P-01.
Quote from: fastwin on November 22, 2011, 04:28:08 PM
I was betting you'd chime in about CZs! [beer]
If you're into steel or alloy pistols, I think they're a great choice at the price.
Some of the special models are pricey.
My understanding is their tupperware models have had some issues.
Quote from: DRKWNG on November 22, 2011, 04:38:29 PM
I was hoping he would. I fondled one for the first time over the weekend and really liked the way it felt. Now trying to decide if I'd rather have the SP-01 or deal with the decocker only format of the P-01.
Do you want a full size or an alloy compact?
Do you want the upswept beavertail or the standard dropped beavertail? They're really different pistols.
The P-01 and SP-01 are pretty similar in regards to the rear of the frame. The "P" is a touch shorter though, and has slightly less capacity in the magazine.
This will be replacing an old Glock 19 that I've had for the last twenty-ish years, and I'm not really committed to either "size", as they're both smaller than my 1911s or 220. I almost think I'd like the smaller length of of the P, but don't like the fact that it's decock only. The CZ custom shop makes a special one that has a dual trigger/safety set up, but it uses a few of the plastic parts of the Duty series, and won't allow the installation of the "custom" trigger/hammer combo.
Quote from: DRKWNG on November 22, 2011, 04:48:55 PM
The P-01 and SP-01 are pretty similar in regards to the rear of the frame. The "P" is a touch shorter though, and has slightly less capacity in the magazine.
This will be replacing an old Glock 19 that I've had for the last twenty-ish years, and I'm not really committed to either "size", as they're both smaller than my 1911s or 220. I almost think I'd like the smaller length of of the P, but don't like the fact that it's decock only. The CZ custom shop makes a special one that has a dual trigger/safety set up, but it uses a few of the plastic parts of the Duty series, and won't allow the installation of the "custom" trigger/hammer combo.
There are gunsmiths out there that make some really nice trigger/hammer parts for the decocker models
Check out www.cajungunworks.com (//http://)
Cool, thanks. I still like the "safety" model better, as I like to carry in C&L.
That 1911/Hi-Power cocked and locked feature is nice. One of the things that made me like the CZ75 years ago.
Quote from: DRKWNG on November 22, 2011, 04:57:12 PM
Cool, thanks. I still like the "safety" model better, as I like to carry in C&L.
Sounds like you want an SP.
Another CZ 'quirk' is a really long DA reach.
That guy also has a reach reduction kit that I may add to mine.
I'd disagree about the beaver tails being similar on the P and SP models.
The SP and SA models have a beavertail like a 1911.
The other CZ models have a flatter angle.
Quote from: ducpainter on November 22, 2011, 05:08:28 PM
I'd disagree about the beaver tails being similar on the P and SP models.
I said pretty similar. ;D
I agree. They do have a long DA trigger pull. Nothing you can't get over. That's why the cocked and lock feature is a plus.
Quote from: DRKWNG on November 22, 2011, 05:11:32 PM
I said pretty similar. ;D
At the price point they are all good choices IMO.
Another consideration is ammo.
CZ's have a very short leade to the rifling and some hp or fp ammo won't function correctly.
AH! The rifling/ammo bit is news to me. What sort of rounds have you had success with through your CZ? Do you mostly run FMJ trough it?
Quote from: DRKWNG on November 22, 2011, 05:24:02 PM
AH! The rifling/ammo bit is news to me. What sort of rounds have you had success with through your CZ? Do you mostly run FMJ trough it?
Yes...
I run fmj or plated Berry's RN.
I don't carry, but the word is Speer GDHP work well as do several others including Federal Hydra Shock.
It's really an ogive/bullet shape thing.
The Czechs don't use HP ammo so almost all RN will chamber and function at Saami max.
Any HP without a sharp ogive should work too
I run 99% ball through my CZ75s. No issues. I am a fan of Hydra Shock in all calibers. My CZs are plinkers not carry guns but I have run Hydra Shocks and Cor-Bons through mine without issue.
CorBon rounds have a perfect bullet for guns that have problems feeding HP rounds.
Quote from: ducatiz on November 22, 2011, 06:33:38 PM
CorBon rounds have a perfect bullet for guns that have problems feeding HP rounds.
Either The CorBon Pow'R'Ball (polymer tipped hollow point) or Glaser Safety Slug (polymer tipped frangible round)...
I carried the Pow'R'Ball in 9mm and .380 for a long time, and will go back once I get rid of these free Hornadys I got. Great, great little round.
Quote from: ducatiz on November 22, 2011, 06:33:38 PM
CorBon rounds have a perfect bullet for guns that have problems feeding HP rounds.
It isn't always a feed problem.
Depending on bullet shape, sometimes they'll feed, but the pistol won't go into battery.
I've been eyeing a Husqvarna 3100 Crown Grade in my local shop. It is a 30.06 in really quite nice condition for its age. I'd love to take it home with me, but will just have to wait and see if the price drops a bit more. Very nice classic rifle with a silky smooth (Mauser based) action. I'm certain that it has many more hunts left in it if I can just convince the CFO that it needs to come to our house. Each time I go and look at a new rifle in that price range, it just doesn't do it for me. Sure, a $1-2k rifle would, but this thing just feels solid and is much cheaper.
Do it. [popcorn]
Quote from: DW on November 23, 2011, 04:17:03 PM
I've been eyeing a Husqvarna 3100 Crown Grade in my local shop. It is a 30.06 in really quite nice condition for its age. I'd love to take it home with me, but will just have to wait and see if the price drops a bit more. Very nice classic rifle with a silky smooth (Mauser based) action. I'm certain that it has many more hunts left in it if I can just convince the CFO that it needs to come to our house. Each time I go and look at a new rifle in that price range, it just doesn't do it for me. Sure, a $1-2k rifle would, but this thing just feels solid and is much cheaper.
The first rifle I hunted with was a borrowed Husky .270. It belonged to my friends grandfather. I've offered to buy it from him countless times.......he will never sell it at any cost.
Make sure you post a pic when you pick it up!
[thumbsup] [beer] [popcorn] [bacon]
Bunch of enablers we are. [laugh]
We'll duh
;D
Well, at least there is a consensus. Now, who wants to be my negotiator? I'm working the finances, but had just purchased a Glock recently and that makes it a bit hard to sell to the Mrs. We'll see how things work out. The guy is asking $600 for it, which seems to be on the high side. It has a scope and a sling, but both are extremely old. It is in pretty good shape though...
Any thoughts on a good price? If it were closer to $500 it would probably already be in my cabinet.
Don't worry about the wife. I'll talk to her. With all my motorcycles and guns I must have some sort of talent for it. [laugh] [laugh]
Quote from: fastwin on November 24, 2011, 10:56:01 AM
Don't worry about the wife. I'll talk to her. With all my motorcycles and guns I must have some sort of talent for it. [laugh] [laugh]
PLEASE record this conversation and post it here!!! Your method should be shared for the betterment of all mankind [beer]
Sometimes it pays to be full of BS! [laugh] Everyone has to be good at something. Maybe I should make a DVD!! ;D [thumbsup]
Z, How's the AR platform "pig gun" build going? [popcorn] [bacon] [thumbsup]
The last of the parts are trickling in [thumbsup] Waiting on a Gemtech threaded rear mount to convert my Raptor II from 3 lug to screw on. I've had issues with the spring/plunger assembly on the suppressor, and will be leaving it on the rifle full time. Might as well skip the 3 lug.
Its a well known fact that most women cannot count past 7 guns. Getting up to the 7 mark is the hard part, but once past 7 its just many and another one will probably slip by unnoticed.
My wife is an active shooter, hunter and competitor so I just have to convince her she needs it, then I get to use it.
QED
Quote from: WarrenJ on November 24, 2011, 02:41:54 PM
Its a well known fact that most women cannot count past 7 guns. Getting up to the 7 mark is the hard part, but once past 7 its just many and another one will probably slip by unnoticed.
This. ^
Once there's enough guns in the safe, another will not be noticed. This only changes if you need to buy a bigger safe, then they become wary.
Yeah, it helps when they all look alike to her. A SIG looks no different than a 1911. Ignorance is bliss! [laugh] [thumbsup] She once asked me how many guns and motorcycles I have and I said "I'm not sure". She just shook her head and walked away. ;) [laugh]
You can do it montage. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZ2HcRl4wSk#)
Do it! Do it! Do it! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoqDYcCDOTg#)
Happy Festivus to me!
Quote from: Monsterlover on November 25, 2011, 05:16:05 PM
Because.....?
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z53/b_upton/Guns/photo.jpg)
[thumbsup]
Just saw one on the MD Craigslist for $500....
Quote from: rgramjet on November 25, 2011, 07:34:06 PM
Just saw one on the MD Craigslist for $500....
That's a P01. Different gun. It's smaller, has an alloy frame and is over all much shitier. ;D
When are we going shootn?
I don't think you can go wrong with that SP-01 - Congrats!!!
Quote from: WarrenJ on November 26, 2011, 06:03:40 AM
I don't think you can go wrong with that SP-01 - Congrats!!!
I like it so far, and hope to shoot it today. Damn thing is heavy, but that'll just keep the 9mm rounds on target.
So it only has one safety? No grip safety or useless little trigger nipple?? All you have to do is move "this" lever and its ready to go BOOM?? I dig it!
Might have to check out a CZ.......
Quote from: DRKWNG on November 26, 2011, 06:08:16 AM
I like it so far, and hope to shoot it today. Damn thing is heavy, but that'll just keep the 9mm rounds on target.
Get some 124 gr ammo. ;)
Quote from: ducpainter on November 26, 2011, 06:19:13 AM
Get some 124 gr ammo. ;)
I was thinking 124+P or 147. Regardless, I'm going to go through as many sorts as I can find to see which this pistol likes best. Anyone know if the all steel CZs are rated to handle +P+ loads?
Quote from: DRKWNG on November 26, 2011, 07:25:05 AM
I was thinking 124+P or 147. Regardless, I'm going to go through as many sorts as I can find to see which this pistol likes best. Anyone know if the all steel CZs are rated to handle +P+ loads?
CZ's are rated to use all SAAMI rated ammo.
+P+ is not a SAAMI recognized load.
Short answer is no.
Practice so you can hit your target... ;D
It will be fine.
Hitting the target isn't so much of a concern. The pistols I'm used to only carry eight rounds, so accuracy is more of a premium.
Ass.
;D
9mm is a pretty hot round as is. a +P ranger sxt is about as hot and lethal as one will ever need. if you need more than the flying ashtray, carry a rifle(legal in VA)
Quote from: DRKWNG on November 26, 2011, 09:29:25 PM
Hitting the target isn't so much of a concern. The pistols I'm used to only carry eight rounds, so accuracy is more of a premium.
Ass.
;D
:-*
A school of though on defensive handgun purpose is to get you to your long gun. If you know you are getting into trouble, long guns are what you need. In the couple of minor incidents I have experienced, people do not like shotguns pointed at them and will usually cease and desist pretty quickly, handguns not so much. YMMV. Having a handgun is far better than nothing at all, as I found out once in New Mexico. That is a cold, scary feeling, when you walk into a situation you are totally unprepared for. That was a major learning experience and a motivation to keep up the skills and way more importantly, to stay mentally aware of whats going on around at all times.
thank you Jeff Cooper.
keep a cz75 and an m14 and you're done
I had the honor of meeting Jeff a couple of times and we did some correspondence. Interesting guy.
RIP Colonel Cooper! [thumbsup] Missed him at a SHOT show years ago in Dallas and still regret it. [bang]
The line I used in my classes (which I openly stole from Clint Smith) was "I'll use my handgun to fight my way to my rifle/shotgun and then the real fight will start!". Don't bring your handgun to my shotgun fight. ;)
Hey, by the way D-wing, nice score on the CZ! [thumbsup] [clap]
Where/who has the best buy on a beretta 8000 cougar?
Quote from: muskrat on November 28, 2011, 07:24:45 PM
Where/who has the best buy on a beretta 8000 cougar?
Stoeger imported these before Berretta officially did. check around for a Stoeger Cougar.
$400
If anyone feels like giving me the best gift ever, here it is:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=262172500 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=262172500)
(http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/262172000/262172500/pix393982802.jpg)
Quote from: ducatiz on November 28, 2011, 07:49:03 PM
Stoeger imported these before Berretta officially did. check around for a Stoeger Cougar.
$400
Thanks. Next question: what's great semi 357?
Quote from: muskrat on November 28, 2011, 09:04:12 PM
Thanks. Next question: what's great semi 357?
Deagle. ;D
In the market for a compact 9mm for concealed carry. Will let y'all know what follows me home.
Quote from: muskrat on November 28, 2011, 09:04:12 PM
Thanks. Next question: what's great semi 357?
I love my Sig P250. There are plenty of quality weapons chambered in 357 Sig. If you did mean .357 mag, then the Deagle it is! If you have not shot one, do! They are a riot! They are as heavy as a VW bus, and the grip feels like it is as thick as a tree trunk!
Quote from: ducatiz on November 28, 2011, 08:00:05 PM
If anyone feels like giving me the best gift ever, here it is:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=262172500 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=262172500)
(http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/262172000/262172500/pix393982802.jpg)
I was thinking the fore grip is non-GI spec as is the vented heat shield and a few other tidbits
then saw it is Chilean issue,,,interesting piece
I had the opportunity to shoot a similar FN-D (I think) once - fun piece of artillery! I shot the BAR and it actually moved around quite a bit more than I anticipated. My Dad was a BARman in the Marines and he said when they shot them offhand, they unhooked the rear of the sling, dropped it down and stood on it to keep the muzzle in the general direction.
One of the most accurate, easy to shoot and control guns I shot in a similar design was the BREN. Sort of goofy with the top mag and offset sights but man, could you lay in the hits.
Quote from: Some Kind of Pip on November 28, 2011, 09:51:54 PM
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In the market for a compact 9mm for concealed carry. Will let y'all know what follows me home.
Hey, me too... please let me know what you come up with and how you reached your decision.
I scaned the prior pages and didn't see anything about the FNP series... does anyone have any experience with these? It may be slightly large for a ccw, but it's not that much larger than the Bersas and Kahrs that the local shop owner is advocating...
Any assistance appreciated, thx in advance.
Quote from: RAT900 on November 29, 2011, 02:17:41 AM
I was thinking the fore grip is non-GI spec as is the vented heat shield and a few other tidbits
then saw it is Chilean issue,,,interesting piece
I've been wanting an FN-D for years now.
I fielded one in Israel, we had them in training. IDF converted the Belgian models to 7.62 and to use FAL mags in the 50s. Heavy as hell, but sweet guns. The barrel is field removable, so swapping caliber is pretty easy.
there are no semi-auto models available, the last one I saw was at a gun show locally -- fully auto, form 4 transferrable, but it was $45k!!
Quote from: muskrat on November 28, 2011, 09:04:12 PM
Thanks. Next question: what's great semi 357?
Sig invented the cartridge, so I'd start there.
Only recent guns can be found in that round. Pretty much all of the pistols in .40s&w have a version in 357 sig as well -- same case, necked down.
Quote from: dropstharockalot on November 29, 2011, 06:30:15 AM
Hey, me too... please let me know what you come up with and how you reached your decision.
I scaned the prior pages and didn't see anything about the FNP series... does anyone have any experience with these? It may be slightly large for a ccw, but it's not that much larger than the Bersas and Kahrs that the local shop owner is advocating...
My friend bought an FNP9 for his first weapon. He loves it. Hell, we all love it. Solid piece of machinery, and more accurate than any of us are to boot. It is a little large to carry though.
I'm looking towards M&P9c, or old Smith & Wesson 3913/3914
I am not looking for a pistol at all, but the Steyr M9/M40 guns are amazing.
Look how low the barrel sits in the frame
(http://lh5.googleusercontent.com/public/KBYNUNaEhzx_3DZV5zRqeKHqJYbQOm27GL1WtXp1jkRUfOKsLOJ18CjFeRTyUU-xsxwKxj-7XaxqMOCeSswfwymTCUM0RhvETN4J__nWLzr0op7ncEAmAolN2zf5WB8bwRA5V2k-LRZeZDn5WBE-LXavW-xN22qhAEK9LKBW1-5yZ8lAWw)
Quote from: ducatiz on November 29, 2011, 07:49:58 AM
I am not looking for a pistol at all, but the Steyr M9/M40 guns are amazing.
Look how low the barrel sits in the frame
(http://lh5.googleusercontent.com/public/KBYNUNaEhzx_3DZV5zRqeKHqJYbQOm27GL1WtXp1jkRUfOKsLOJ18CjFeRTyUU-xsxwKxj-7XaxqMOCeSswfwymTCUM0RhvETN4J__nWLzr0op7ncEAmAolN2zf5WB8bwRA5V2k-LRZeZDn5WBE-LXavW-xN22qhAEK9LKBW1-5yZ8lAWw)
That's a nice piece of iron right there. Never knew about them before now (just read the wiki page)
I guess i need more guns
:D
Quote from: Monsterlover on November 29, 2011, 08:28:38 AM
That's a nice piece of iron plastic and steel right there. Never knew about them before now (just read the wiki page)
I guess i need more guns
:D
Fixed it for you. ;)
Quote from: ducatiz on November 29, 2011, 07:49:58 AM
I am not looking for a pistol at all, but the Steyr M9/M40 guns are amazing.
I've fired a friend's M9... I liked it very much, but I'd consider it too large for daily carry. Steyr does make a 10rd compact version that interests me... I have yet to see one for less than $450+.
all good advice but costly shit too. :P
I do love the eagle but I'm going to the range this weekend to try some out first. Then I'll decide how to hide it from the spousal cop that inhabits these dwellings. [evil]
Suggestions on who has the best price on beretta sub compact px4? I'm already aware of cheaper than dirt, just looking for the 400 mark on a new one. I know it might be a dream of course.
gunbroker.com
yeah, been looking but with shipping and FFL transfer fees it's basically buying a new gun.
Quote from: muskrat on December 01, 2011, 10:07:08 PM
yeah, been looking but with shipping and FFL transfer fees it's basically buying a new gun.
can't get around that. try limiting your gunbroker search to your local area.
what state are you in? most states permit private sales without an FFL involved. Both of you have to be residents of the same state.
in TX. At the prices of a used gun I'll fork over the new sales price and since the wife decided she needed additional shoes her penalty will be to buy me that freaking gun for Christmas.
If you're still looking for a small(ish) 9mm and can swing a touch more money, I'd really suggest looking at one of the compact CZs. I'm really impressed with the SP-01 that I picked up last week.
http://www.cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-75-compact/ (http://www.cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-75-compact/)
another convert... ;D
never shot a CZ, maybe I'll go this weekend and try one out but I'm looking for a 40 cal. I already have a Beretta 92FS in 9 mm though.
Quote from: muskrat on December 02, 2011, 06:08:29 AM
never shot a CZ, maybe I'll go this weekend and try one out but I'm looking for a 40 cal. I already have a Beretta 92FS in 9 mm though.
i'm not a fan of the 92. i like other Berettas but just never got excited about the 92 series.
...with the sole exception of the 93R. give me one of those and I won't complain.
Quote from: muskrat on December 02, 2011, 06:08:29 AM
never shot a CZ, maybe I'll go this weekend and try one out but I'm looking for a 40 cal. I already have a Beretta 92FS in 9 mm though.
They make .40's
http://www.cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-75-b/ (http://www.cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-75-b/) check the drop down for finish options.
They also used to make a compact .40 but it's been discontinued. They show up on gunbroker occasionally.
I love my 92FS.
Looks like the CZ has good prices but I must have a sub compact.
'skrat,
Want a very, very slightly used Glock 27? You know my bikes so then you know my guns. No 4473 form, no tax, I have no idea of price but it would be much better than what I would sell it to my brother in law for. [laugh] Buddy to buddy legal Texas sale. [thumbsup] PM me if you're interested. I believe the mags have a few Pearce finger groove extensions... I think.
fastwin
PS I'm just getting out of .40S&W. Sold my 22 to a friend's grown son. Don't use the 27. But I'm keeping the 23.
We do have a classifieds. http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?board=13.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?board=13.0)
Please take your transactions there or to pm please.
Thanks.
Got it. Sorry. Just sort of blurted out that post. We're PMing.
Quote from: muskrat on December 02, 2011, 09:28:19 AM
I love my 92FS.
Looks like the CZ has good prices but I must have a sub compact.
They make those too...
http://www.cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-2075-rami/ (http://www.cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-2075-rami/)
Quote from: ducpainter on December 02, 2011, 03:05:45 PM
They make those too...
http://www.cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-2075-rami/ (http://www.cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-2075-rami/)
No, the one you really want is the CZ-G 2000
(http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/images/handguns/czechoslovakia/1287753846.jpg)
Quote from: ducatiz on December 02, 2011, 04:14:26 PM
No, the one you really want is the CZ-G 2000
(http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/images/handguns/czechoslovakia/1287753846.jpg)
No...
what I really want is this... http://www.czub.cz/en/catalog/79-pistols-cz/PS/CZ_92.aspx (http://www.czub.cz/en/catalog/79-pistols-cz/PS/CZ_92.aspx)
in 9 or 380
well, some pregnant dog followed me home tonight. 8)
(http://i433.photobucket.com/albums/qq53/montey2005/ffcc999d.jpg)
(http://i433.photobucket.com/albums/qq53/montey2005/7b642373.jpg)
that was quick!
I'm impatient and compulsive. :P
Quote from: muskrat on December 02, 2011, 06:49:06 PM
I'm impatient and compulsive. :P
dude, come look at my garage and gun safe
deal. next time I'm in the NE I'll let you know but please have safety deposit box I can lock up my cash and cards in before seeing your stash.
Guess I don't need to dig out the 27. [thumbsup] [popcorn]
maybe you still do. ;D
Quote from: muskrat on December 02, 2011, 06:45:58 PM
well, some pregnant dog followed me home tonight. 8)
(http://i433.photobucket.com/albums/qq53/montey2005/ffcc999d.jpg)
I got to fondle one of those at the local shop the other day... I liked where all the controls fell and how the grip felt, but I thought it might be a bit bulky for everyday wear. I have to keep everything tucked in at work and that really isn't a pocket gun...
How are you liking the little flip-out mag extender?
Got a range report yet?
That is a little big for a pocket gun. I sure do like my Ruger LPC and Kel-Tec .380s for that. And with the cold weather here I also really like my S&W 640. Makes for a great winter coat pocket gun that you actually shoot from inside the pocket. I can always buy another coat. ;D
I'm not a fan of the double action only semi-auto pistols. That's what revolvers are for.
This is odd and interesting - I'm not sure what problem it solves, but..................
http://www.compbullet.com/indexeng.html (http://www.compbullet.com/indexeng.html)
Quote from: WarrenJ on December 07, 2011, 02:43:20 PM
This is odd and interesting - I'm not sure what problem it solves, but..................
http://www.compbullet.com/indexeng.html (http://www.compbullet.com/indexeng.html)
So, it's a muzzle brake built into the bullet (i.e., disposable).
http://gizmodo.com/5865769/the-compbullet-reduces-recoil-with-rocket-vents (http://gizmodo.com/5865769/the-compbullet-reduces-recoil-with-rocket-vents)
(http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2011/12/73b7616ae4d25a52cea6fd8e8e55814b.jpg)
Pass. I'd rather get a traditional muzzle brake, and use what ever bullet i want.
Full brass with the cutouts are probably going to be too light anyway.
How the fulk can that possibly wok? ???
Looks dumb
[bacon]
Spent last Saturday at the gun show at the PHX fairgrounds with my dad. 3 years in a row now. I guess it's becoming a family tradition. I go for the knives, WWII memorabilia and the people watching. Ahh..the sites you see at the gun show. Doesn't seem too much different from the crowds at the Mesa swap meet or Daytona bike week. :P
They obviously frown on pics being taken so I can't post one of the cowboy wearing three revolvers around his waist. Can't say this is anything new since I've seen it many times here in the desert (mostly it's HD riders wearing their glocks). Curious to know though..is this legal in other states?
I saw a thing on The Firearm Blog (http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/) about those vented bullets. I'm not sure I really get it, but I'm curious to see some actual testing.
Quote from: IZ on December 07, 2011, 10:52:00 PM
They obviously frown on pics being taken so I can't post one of the cowboy wearing three revolvers around his waist. Can't say this is anything new since I've seen it many times here in the desert (mostly it's HD riders wearing their glocks). Curious to know though..is this legal in other states?
Legal in Indiana- no distinction between open carry and concealed carry. If you have an IN concealed carry permit, you can carry displayed anywhere you can legally carry concealed. I'd say I've seen an instance of this at every gun show I've been to... often, it's somewhat promotional ("Crazy Jerry's Quick Draw Cowboy Holsters! Come visit our booth!"). Promotions aside, I think there is a small population of gunowners throughout the state carry displayed as their routine.
Every now and then, I'll see some guy wearing on the outside of his clothes just randomly, like in a McDonald's along the highway or something.
It was (and to my knowledge still is) legal to carry openly in Kansas.
Though apart from "protest carries" that crop up now and again, I can't really recall the last time I saw someone exercising the right (outside of a gun show).
(Probably because, legal or not, somebody would call the police...)
bump...
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/hundredpercentkill/Guns/139ea7da.jpg)
Nice! - Absolutely everything you need and nothing you don't!
[drool]
Quote from: WarrenJ on December 11, 2011, 07:06:57 PM
Nice! - Absolutely everything you need and nothing you don't!
There's always more need...
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/hundredpercentkill/Guns/cb484ac8.jpg)
Ignore the mag not being lock in all the way... : P
Sadlak Airborne scope mount? ^^^^
Quote from: DarkStaR on December 11, 2011, 07:19:11 PM
There's always more need...
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/hundredpercentkill/Guns/cb484ac8.jpg)
Ignore the mag not being lock in all the way... : P
I always preferred the shorter mags on the M14 for some reason. Just easier all around.
Love the look of it. I have a full parts kit -- all new in wrap USGI parts from 68-72 -- and someday I'll pick up a lugged receiver and build it. The parts cost me a whopping $500 when I bought them lol
Dont reply cuz its bording line political.. was changing in the lockerroom at my job a news channel was on in the background. Someone was talking about how guns should only be owned by police in the US.. just venting..
Quote from: cokey on December 12, 2011, 06:24:10 AM
Dont reply cuz its bording line political.. was changing in the lockerroom at my job a news channel was on in the background. Someone was talking about how guns should only be owned by police in the US.. just venting..
That's not politics at all. Guns were only owned by the police in Zimbabwe since 1980, in Germany between 1935 and 1946... What could go wrong with that?
Quote from: ducatiz on December 12, 2011, 07:24:00 AM
That's not politics at all. Guns were only owned by the police in Zimbabwe since 1980, in Germany between 1935 and 1946... What could go wrong with that?
Overruled counselor.
We're not going there. ;D
Well where I went to school, History and Political Science were separate majors! ;D
Quote from: ducatiz on December 12, 2011, 12:43:36 PM
Well where I went to school, History and Political Science were separate majors! ;D
Still are.
We're still not going there.
:-*
Quote from: ducpainter on December 12, 2011, 12:49:36 PM
Still are.
We're still not going there.
:-*
oh all right uncle fester
Quote from: ducpainter on December 12, 2011, 12:34:04 PM
Overruled counselor.
We're not going there. ;D
Funny how he's always
right there.
;D
Don't get my thread locked. ;) I'd have to go to the trouble of starting another one. And you're right... he is always right there. [laugh] [popcorn] Boogey man/admin! [cheeky]
Quote from: fastwin on December 12, 2011, 03:26:11 PM
Don't get my thread locked. ;) I'd have to go to the trouble of starting another one. And you're right... he is always right there. [laugh] [popcorn] Boogey man/admin! [cheeky]
6.3 Members will not start a thread with the intent of continuing the topic of a thread that was closed or removed.
;D
Roger that. ;) That's reason #1 I don't want this one screwed down. [thumbsup]
Move along, nothing to see here. Back to gun stuff. ;D
Quote from: fastwin on December 12, 2011, 03:53:35 PM
Roger that. ;) That's reason #1 I don't want this one screwed down. [thumbsup]
Move along, nothing to see here. Back to gun stuff. ;D
I'm just playin' B. ;)
[thumbsup]
Quote from: DarkStaR on December 11, 2011, 06:44:37 PM
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/hundredpercentkill/Guns/139ea7da.jpg)
That is outstanding. Congrats!
Kimber makes a good 1911. [thumbsup]
Quote from: fastwin on December 13, 2011, 07:08:22 AM
Kimber makes a good 1911. [thumbsup]
For some reason there are a lot of complaints out there, but mine has been perfect w/ over +1000 rounds of just cheap ball ammo, and Kimber mags.
oh yeah, and very acccurate. So accurate, it pisses my shooting buddies off.
My bad experience with Kimber was an Ultra CDP II. I had constant FTF. Kimber suggested that I was limp wristing. I had a few other people shoot it (people unlikely to limp wrist,) and they had the same issue.
Quote from: zach on December 13, 2011, 11:56:48 AM
My bad experience with Kimber was an Ultra CDP II. I had constant FTF. Kimber suggested that I was limp wristing. I had a few other people shoot it (people unlikely to limp wrist,) and they had the same issue.
Put it in a bench rest and see if it does it.
I had a Keltec P40 that would stovepipe horribly with limpwristed shooters. I had to show a friend how to benchrest his to prove it wasn't the gun.
A lot of people limpwrist some and don't know it.
My 1911 has done that for my wife, but not consistently. Once I figured out what was up I got her to put a more serious hold on it and the stovepipes and fail to feeds went away and were replaced with holes in the target.
Explain stovepipe to a gun noob?
Quote from: cokey on December 13, 2011, 01:56:19 PM
Explain stovepipe to a gun noob?
It's when the spent cartridge fails to fully eject & jams like this:
(http://4photos.net/photosv2/130428_glock_23_stovepipe.jpg)
or like this:
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT536cPJfNiP_ub-sgbfQtFf4vnSHMljKtAfxQ0tML_oGD02X13N__9sNBxtA)
And here's how you clear it:
Tap Rack Bang (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJaQvV6q-D8&feature=endscreen&NR=1#)
Ty.. awesome vid.
That's why tap, rack, bang is in my avatar. [thumbsup] [popcorn]
Quote from: cokey on December 13, 2011, 02:28:36 PM
Ty.. awesome vid.
+3 Quite possibly one of the most useful videos I've seen. Every time we would stand around trying to figure out what went wrong instead of just clearing and continuing.
I love Clint Smith. Great guy! Great instructor! I couldn't stop going to Thunder Ranch when it was near Mountain Home, TX. I could have lived there on the range! ;) Spent a shit load of $$ on classes and a whole lot of time but f#@king loved every minute of it.
Stayed in Kerrville and it was damn near a 100 mile round trip from the hotel to TR and back to the hotel every day. Most classes were 5 days and that was 500 miles of driving just to shoot. Had to watch out for all those big ass Hill Country deer on the sides of the road in the morning and at night. :o Had several late night shoots and driving back to the hotel sleepy at 2:00AM with all those deer was a trip!
The place was clean as an operating room. The brass detail at the end of every day made it that way. Shotgun and rifle empties were easy pick up compared to pistol cases in the gravel. [bang] That was a pain in the ass. The Terminator indoor shoot "house" was the coolest ever. So was the Thunderville town/street simulator section. I miss it. [popcorn] [bacon] [bow_down]
I've been wanting to go up to Oregon to the new school and take the team tactics class with my wife. I drove through Lakeview, Or a couple of years ago - its pretty much out in the boonies even by my standard. We drove the 250 miles from Lakeview to Winnemucca, NV and saw 7 cars. No place to have a breakdown.
It's nice that they still have some classes at the Texas range the first couple of months every year.
http://www.thunderranchinc.com/2007schedule.html (http://www.thunderranchinc.com/2007schedule.html)
But I thought they dismantled the TX ranges and auctioned off the targets, etc. when they shut it down for the Oregon move? Still nice that the TX classes are not shot with politically correct ammo. [thumbsup] ;) A Thunder Ranch class would make a nice Christmas present. [clap] [popcorn] [bacon] Need to forward this to the wifely unit.
Can't make up my mind?
OEM rubberized grips?
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/hundredpercentkill/Guns/DSCF1005.jpg)
pachmayr wood/rubber grips?
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/hundredpercentkill/Guns/DSCF1009.jpg)
My favorite 1911 grips are the Hogue Panel grips - they are real cheap but have great texture and just a little palm swell - I haven't found anything my hands like better. These are not the wrap around grips, they are just simple panels, I think the cost about $10.00. I've probably shot half a million rounds out of 1911's with those grips.
Double diamond cocobolo wood grips are the only thing classy enough to go on a 1911. Gorgeous wood! [thumbsup]
Scroll down the grip page on the Eb Brown link and there is a pic of some nice cocobolo panels.
http://www.edbrown.com/gripscrews.htm (http://www.edbrown.com/gripscrews.htm)
Has anyone purchased on-line? How was your experience?
As much as I'd like to build a relationship with the local dealers, I'm seeing the same items (identical, new-in-box) for substantially less even once shipping is factored in.
Just curious.
Thx!
Don't forget ffl costs. I've been quoted $50-$75 per gun.
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 19, 2011, 08:19:03 AM
Don't forget ffl costs. I've been quoted $50-$75 per gun.
Right, even with that. I've had a couple opportunities where FFL $ + S&H still equalled $125 or more less than local retail.
I guess, while I'm on the subject... how much haggling is typical in an over-the-counter transaction with a storefront merchant?
It varies store to store. Ask if there's any room on the price.
I was flat out told no and was ok with that as they were selling well below list already, so it was a good price for me.
Guess that depends on the store. I have friends at some gun shops that will cut me some slack but I am sure I could never haggle my way down at a big box store... Cabelas, Bass Pro, etc. Never tried but I'm just guessing.
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 19, 2011, 08:19:03 AM
Don't forget ffl costs. I've been quoted $50-$75 per gun.
F me, I pay $20 at my FFL.
That's hiway robbery for nothing more than 10 minutes of paperwork.
Gunbroker has a list on their site with prices stated. Shop around. You might have to drive further but for 30-50$ less it would be worth it.
If you can get a really good on line price then the added transfer fee and the longer drive still might beat the regular, local store price. It's sort of similar to the local bike shop vs the big mail order/on line scooter stores... Dennis Kirk, Comp Access, etc. I like to support the local gun and bike shops but I tend to lean towards the ones that "help" me out a little. That's natural. But there are times they don't carry what I want and the on line outfits are just too hard to pass up with the better prices and availability.
Anyone interested in Glock 21, Gen 2? $400.
PM me.
I'm looking for a 21 Frame to replace the one I blew up.
I've ordered from buds guns they list FFls near your location. Found one ten minutes from my house that charged $15 per gun. [thumbsup]
New (old) gun in the house, that may yet get some use on my 2011 hunting license:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-xp6a9QnLtAg/TvEO3RtIsTI/AAAAAAAAAWo/eqvjWgYyvYo/s720/PC200042.JPG)
It's a Stevens 311D 12ga. side-by-side; a good field gun & I'm looking forward to getting a chance to put some shells through it.
Which occasions a question - without a choke gauge, I need help deciphering the stamps on the barrels. I'd assume it's an full/modified pair, but I would imagine these mean something:
The left barrel is stamped 20V
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-M8eaCRX1XJ4/TvEU8vR3FsI/AAAAAAAAAbk/Fa_if2jd9_U/s720/PC200039.JPG)
The right barrel is stamped (I think) 28V
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-wzEPkOBmGNo/TvEO80-mBKI/AAAAAAAAAW4/4QpY4wOHFUs/s720/PC200040.JPG)
Any ideas?
Some info here...
http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/showthread.php?t=57743 (http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/showthread.php?t=57743)
dunno if it's correct.
This is kind of stone axe technology here (what would you expect from me?) but you could try and just pattern the gun at XX distance using the shells you might hunt with. Don't know whether you plan on hunting with dove/quail loads or duck/geese rounds.
My friend had a dead mobile home on his ranch (he set it on fire and the pics were awesome! [thumbsup], we dug a hole with his front end loader and buried the carcass) and I actually used the sides of it to shoot my shotguns and see how they patterned. It was very useful. I already knew what the choke tubes were but seeing how they patterned at varying distances was good intel.
You could use some plywood or maybe large sheets of cardboard. May not tell you exactly how the barrels are choked but it will certainly tell you which side is tighter and how the barrels pattern.
This is worth a look:
http://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/nj603/can_anybody_tell_me_anything_about_this_strange/c39jv9v (http://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/nj603/can_anybody_tell_me_anything_about_this_strange/c39jv9v)
Quote from: fastwin on December 20, 2011, 04:10:11 PM
This is kind of stone axe technology here (what would you expect from me?) but you could try and just pattern the gun at XX distance using the shells you might hunt with. Don't know whether you plan on hunting with dove/quail loads or duck/geese rounds.
My friend had a dead mobile home on his ranch (he set it on fire and the pics were awesome! [thumbsup], we dug a hole with his front end loader and buried the carcass) and I actually used the sides of it to shoot my shotguns and see how they patterned. It was very useful. I already knew what the choke tubes were but seeing how they patterned at varying distances was good intel.
You could use some plywood or maybe large sheets of cardboard. May not tell you exactly how the barrels are choked but it will certainly tell you which side is tighter and how the barrels pattern.
that's exactly how to do it.
set up two targets at 25' and 100'. the difference in spread is calculable using that.
Quote from: ducatiz on December 21, 2011, 06:03:07 AM
that's exactly how to do it.
set up two targets at 25' and 100'. the difference in spread is calculable using that.
Thanks; in the meantime, I'll just keep pulling the trigger for the fatter choke at close birds, and the tighter one at birds further out.
That, and I'll keep missing 'em the vast majority of the time. ;D
woooooooooo
http://www.guns.com/safe-harbors-new-kompact-entry-guns-video.html (http://www.guns.com/safe-harbors-new-kompact-entry-guns-video.html)
Those are cool
I have a thing for Class III scatterguns... which I am sure everyone is sick of hearing! [laugh] I think my 14" barrel guns with bantam length stocks and ghost ring sights are more "useful" in a real world way but those pistol grip shorties are pretty damn cool. [thumbsup] The .410 version is neat. [popcorn]
i told my wife after my son was born that my Wilson with the 12" barrel and short stock was child sized LOl
i like that 410 as well. if they made 2" shells in 410 it would be prfect
Nice.. for the shorter one, are the shells shorter as well?
Quote from: ducatiz on December 21, 2011, 09:59:18 AM
woooooooooo
http://www.guns.com/safe-harbors-new-kompact-entry-guns-video.html (http://www.guns.com/safe-harbors-new-kompact-entry-guns-video.html)
We had one of those in each door pocket in our trucks in Afghanistan. They were the "back of hajji" persuader.
Quote from: cokey on December 21, 2011, 04:27:36 PM
Nice.. for the shorter one, are the shells shorter as well?
no regular shells. there are short shells available from Aquila and Centurion but the shotguns feed ramp has to be modified to use them. they increase capacity though!
Quote from: DRKWNG on December 21, 2011, 05:14:49 PM
We had one of those in each door pocket in our trucks in Afghanistan. They were the "back of hajji" persuader.
More good thinking! [thumbsup]
Quote from: cokey on December 21, 2011, 04:27:36 PM
Nice.. for the shorter one, are the shells shorter as well?
We ran 2 & 3/4" 00 in our shorties.
That'll do. [thumbsup] 00 buck solves all sorts of problems. ;D And you really don't need 3" magnum shells. Probably does as much harm to the shooter as those that are being shot at. [laugh] And eats up magazine space.
Quote from: DRKWNG on December 21, 2011, 06:01:27 PM
We ran 2 & 3/4" 00 in our shorties.
This is what you could have had:
(http://lh5.googleusercontent.com/public/zTekMkZDp95mGy0oYQbfWxB9fmdEu8FJm3-orU86G03EYhqSEOAh4GOpsnkrKFefOBZPeTwItzK7LDVQWqBoEmaddZqFKZkomb1njP9ETfxFos5ti2YGgZQZ4zdxsm549Dmo-UjoJ9uDJOolHFTvXFYew4sZqE4GRG2T5Vl8)
1.75" shells. Slugs or double aught. you can pack 8 or 9 into a 14" tube instead of 4 or 5
Yea, but you can find good old fashioned 00 all over the place, to include each and every armory in the sandbox. Besides, those nine pellets do a great job of displacing the contents of Hajji's head when delivered just under the chin at about seven inches.
that's a very good point. there is somethign to be said for toting common loads.
Repeat after me: 00 buck solves all sorts of problems. [thumbsup] [laugh] Nothing like nine .32 caliber rounds coming at you at the same time. [popcorn] [bacon]
Quote from: fastwin on December 21, 2011, 07:35:46 PM
Repeat after me: 00 buck solves all sorts of problems. [thumbsup] [laugh] Nothing like nine .32 caliber rounds coming at you at the same time. [popcorn] [bacon]
What about 32 of them coming at you in a line?
(http://lh6.googleusercontent.com/public/XFoZ7Alh2D41x9L4VWLIQwOIwhwBdxYQlS9yzPRzxrU-aPGhwa_UALIBZSQetmSIMU7hacGgi4je77zXbZ-hphclcx9WrAKoFvLjmVLEmeqwRmI2r6AdOpall4ta1LbOrw-BG2cxkFx1xymPSaqSutQ7riH18a_LHpi2mQ)
Even better! [thumbsup] [popcorn]
I thought some of guys might find this link useful http://www.stevespages.com/page7b.htm (http://www.stevespages.com/page7b.htm)
Lots of manuals for just about every firearm. [thumbsup]
I'm thinking about building a 1/3 scale .22 caliber Gatling gun.
We've also discussed scaling it up to accept .410 shot shells.
Discuss.
Discuss what? Do it..
Just Do It, Do It!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmUZGdi7Ty4&feature=youtube_gdata_player#)
One issue with .410 gatling would be extraction. There is a lot of drag with the expanded plastic hull sliding out of the chamber. I did a bit of messing around with a Taurus Judge and was suprised how hard extraction was. But, as with most things, I'm sure some smart, creative people can overcome little problems like that.
Once, at the Second Chance combat shoot in Michigan a guy showed up with two gatlings, one in 45-70 and the other in 9mm. He had big fiber drums full of surplus Egyptian 9mm and burned it up by the 5 gallon bucket.
Colt is currently making a limited run of 45-70 Gatlings - they are utterly beautiful. Dealer price is $39500.
If I do it I'd start with the .22 version to get my feet wet and keep costs down.
After I get a handle on it we can scale up to .410
Or 50bmg [laugh]
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 23, 2011, 06:54:00 AM
If I do it I'd start with the .22 version to get my feet wet and keep costs down.
After I get a handle on it we can scale up to .410
Or 50bmg [laugh]
You'd go poor throwing those rounds downrange.
Hence the [laugh]
No real desire to do anything with a 50.
I would like to build an ar one day though. At least I can shoot that around here.
I did the demo shooting for a friend of mine that made 50BMG rifles. Once, I put a hit on a 55 gallon drum at 2000 yards for some prospective clients. About a 7 second flight time and if you missed reading the wind, you missed by 20 yards. Fun and interesting. The only thing he didn't machine was the barrel rifling. They were beautiful rifles. Shooting the 50s with the big muzzle brakes usually gives me a massive headache and nausea from the shockwave - its interesting but I pay for it.
The guy that had the two gatlings at Second Chance also had a crank fired 37mm Hochkiss cannon that he brought to Knob Creek. Big Fun!
Big boom!
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 23, 2011, 07:02:01 AM
Hence the [laugh]
I would like to build an ar one day though. At least I can shoot that around here.
Until the grip/fore-end gets too chilly......... You'll need a tactical cozy!!
;D ;D ;D
[laugh]
Quote from: rgramjet on December 23, 2011, 08:24:09 AM
Until the grip/fore-end gets too chilly......... You'll need a tactical cozy!!
;D ;D ;D
(http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/knifitti-2.jpg)
might as well put a giant wet sponge on them all day
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 22, 2011, 07:15:00 PM
I'm thinking about building a 1/3 scale .22 caliber Gatling gun.
We've also discussed scaling it up to accept .410 shot shells.
Discuss.
22 is cheapest.
there is still plenty of cheap tokarev ammo around now
545x39 is still cheapish too
A machinist friend of mine machines matched AR style uppers and lowers. Makes some with threaded barrel setups. Nice looking and darn accurate. (not that you can't get some pretty plain jane AR parts together to shoot excellently)
Quote from: WarrenJ on December 23, 2011, 10:00:39 AM
A machinist friend of mine machines matched AR style uppers and lowers. Makes some with threaded barrel setups. Nice looking and darn accurate. (not that you can't get some pretty plain jane AR parts together to shoot excellently)
what is a "threaded barrel" setup, do you mean the muzzle or chamber end?
muzzles are threaded by norm, but i'd assume you knew that.
i'll post pics of my Tokarev AR SBR when its finished.
He built some receivers that took threaded barrel shanks instead of nut and shoulder arrangement of a typical AR - really expands your options as far as barrels - both in configuration and quality. Most of his guns are set up for long range varmints and target shooting, with long, heavy profile barrels.
Quote from: WarrenJ on December 23, 2011, 12:29:16 PM
He built some receivers that took threaded barrel shanks instead of nut and shoulder arrangement of a typical AR - really expands your options as far as barrels - both in configuration and quality. Most of his guns are set up for long range varmints and target shooting, with long, heavy profile barrels.
that's pretty slick
what i'd really want is a QC barrel setup like the FND or some other bigger mg. I think rifle designs suffer from not having that as it would make assembly and field service much much easier without much overhead in the design.
the Daewoo AR has close to a QC barrel design, with just a single pin holding it -- the barrel is indexed against the receiver and since the bolt locks onto the barrel like an AR15, there isn't much issue with headspacing. that's my biggest pregnant dog about the FAL, headspacing a build and indexing the barrel.
Quote from: WarrenJ on December 23, 2011, 06:30:33 AM
One issue with .410 gatling would be extraction. There is a lot of drag with the expanded plastic hull sliding out of the chamber. I did a bit of messing around with a Taurus Judge and was suprised how hard extraction was. But, as with most things, I'm sure some smart, creative people can overcome little problems like that.
Once, at the Second Chance combat shoot in Michigan a guy showed up with two gatlings, one in 45-70 and the other in 9mm. He had big fiber drums full of surplus Egyptian 9mm and burned it up by the 5 gallon bucket.
Colt is currently making a limited run of 45-70 Gatlings - they are utterly beautiful. Dealer price is $39500.
Perhaps a fluted chamber would aid extraction, that is what hk did with the p7 series pistol!
And the MP5. HK spent brass is easy to ID.
Quote from: fastwin on December 23, 2011, 04:32:03 PM
And the MP5. HK spent brass is easy to ID.
Especially when they put it in the magazine backwards.
That's a dead giveaway
Quote from: DRKWNG on December 23, 2011, 07:12:05 PM
Especially when they put it in the magazine backwards.
That is an awfully embarrassing picture. :P [roll]
For those that don't what what's going on here...
(http://operatorchan.org/k/arch/src/k83727_1229359422201.jpg)
DO NOT KVESTION ZEE GERMANS!
Still my favorite LRB M14sa..
All new/as new USGI Springfield Arsenal marked parts including the NM2A rear sight base
1963 USGI Springfield Arsenal NM Barrel (try finding one of those)
Sykes SA Contract Walnut Stock flawless
Les Tam match sling
(http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee91/visigoth9/USGISANM002.jpg)
original sight-in paper...made me giggle like a little girl when I printed this first time out
(http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee91/visigoth9/USGISANM001.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5ALp8-d3dQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5ALp8-d3dQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player)
Quote from: RAT900 on December 24, 2011, 12:51:09 AM
Still my favorite LRB M14sa..
All new/as new USGI Springfield Arsenal marked parts including the NM2A rear sight base
1963 USGI Springfield Arsenal NM Barrel (try finding one of those)
Sykes SA Contract Walnut Stock flawless
Les Tam match sling
(http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee91/visigoth9/USGISANM002.jpg)
original sight-in paper...made me giggle like a little girl when I printed this first time out
(http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee91/visigoth9/USGISANM001.jpg)
Hubba hubba!! That's awesome!! [thumbsup] [bacon]
definitely not a cook
Quote from: RAT900 on December 24, 2011, 12:51:09 AM
Still my favorite LRB M14sa..
(http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee91/visigoth9/USGISANM001.jpg)
Quote from: RAT900 on December 24, 2011, 12:51:09 AM
(http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee91/visigoth9/USGISANM002.jpg)
LRB [drool]
Damn. This sounds like the perfect place for a shooting range! Hell, makes me want to join the FBI!! Venison anyone? [laugh]
http://www.wfaa.com/news/entertainment/pets/FBI-shooting-range-is-popular-deer-hangout-136237268.html (http://www.wfaa.com/news/entertainment/pets/FBI-shooting-range-is-popular-deer-hangout-136237268.html)
That's just down the road from me. You wouldn't believe the number of deer that are wandering around in this area.
Ok, seeing Rat's post got me thinking. Let's say that you're in the market to pick up a new(ish) M1A. Which one would you go with and why if your choices were a SOCOM-16, an M1A Scout or a NM?
Just bought a muzzleloader.
TC Triumph Bone Collector. This gun has almost no kick!
Might trade my rifle for this during the regular season.
Quote from: DRKWNG on December 26, 2011, 06:37:41 PM
Ok, seeing Rat's post got me thinking. Let's say that you're in the market to pick up a new(ish) M1A. Which one would you go with and why if your choices were a SOCOM-16, an M1A Scout or a NM?
I'd love a SOCOM but just can't rationalize it (gee, imagine that comment coming from me! [bang] [popcorn] [bacon]) money-wise since I already have an older 16" barrel "Jungle rifle" with factory camo fiberglass stock and a couple of NM M1As that are great shooters. If I had the $$ I'd love to add a SOCOM with an Aimpoint to the list. [thumbsup] Why? Ahhhh... why not? ;D
Quote from: Got Duc on December 26, 2011, 06:39:17 PM
Just bought a muzzleloader.
TC Triumph Bone Collector. This gun has almost no kick!
Might trade my rifle for this during the regular season.
I like Thompson Centers but can't stand the "bone collector" ad campaign......reminds me too much of the paulie jr Coleman grills. Post up a review after you shoot it! Do you use pellets or loose powder? 100 grains?
I have an old, blued Knight that shoots very consistently. Love to get a new style, break action in stainless but cant justify it yet. The Savage smokeless powder muzzle loader is awesome!
Quote from: DRKWNG on December 26, 2011, 06:37:41 PM
Ok, seeing Rat's post got me thinking. Let's say that you're in the market to pick up a new(ish) M1A. Which one would you go with and why if your choices were a SOCOM-16, an M1A Scout or a NM?
build your own with an lrb receiver and barrel.
i want to build an xm21 based on that
Quote from: ducatiz on December 26, 2011, 10:41:45 PM
build your own with an lrb receiver and barrel.
i want to build an xm21 based on that
Best way to go especially if you are on a budget...get the basic barreled and head-spaced action/receiver from LRB
and then add the rest of your parts as time and budget and search allow...
you may pay more overall doing it piece meal
but you will spread out the wallet-shock over a more accommodating period of time
LRB is about 20 minutes from my NY house so I drop in on them at least once a month or so if I'm here
I still chew on getting a muzzle loader...if/when I do it will be a Whitworth sniper repro...the one that shoots octagonal bolts
forget which maker's version is the better of the choices but here's an example
http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?products_id=922&osCsid=d1e3f5456be70b2a521533e64c3d509d (http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?products_id=922&osCsid=d1e3f5456be70b2a521533e64c3d509d)
How is the bore hexagonal?
The bullets or "bolts" are 6 sided as is the bore (my mistake on octagonal) so ...the hexagonal bore twists and the complimenting hexagonal bullet gets its spin as it travels down the tube
Thats make the beast with two backsin badass
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 27, 2011, 04:57:04 AM
Thats make the beast with two backsin badass
It worked remarkably well and was remarkably accurate at a distance beyond anything else in use during the Civil War period
remarkable
remarkably remarkable!!!! I might remark....stop picking on me I drove 12 hours back to hell yesterday and got maybe 4 hours sleep [cheeky]
A 580 grain bullet, propelled by 60 grains of black powder? At 1,000 yards that must be mortarlike.
Quote from: rgramjet on December 27, 2011, 05:28:11 AM
A 580 grain bullet, propelled by 60 grains of black powder? At 1,000 yards that must be mortarlike.
my favorite Whitworth story:
According to popular accounts, on May 9, 1864, during the Battle of Spotsylvania Courthouse, Union General John Sedgwick was chiding some of his troops for lying down in a ditch to avoid Confederate sharpshooters at a range of around 800 to 1000 yards. Shots from Confederate Whitworth rifles, easily identifiable due to the shrill whistling noises their hexagonal bullets made in flight, caused members of his staff and artillerymen to duck for cover. Sedgwick strode around in the open and was quoted as saying, "What? Men dodging this way for single bullets? What will you do when they open fire along the whole line? I am ashamed of you. They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance." Although ashamed, his men continued to flinch and he repeated, "I'm ashamed of you, dodging that way. They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance." Just seconds later he fell forward with a bullet hole below his left eye. At least five confederate soldiers would later claim that they had fired the fatal shot.
Earlier during the war, the Whitworth was responsible for another high-ranking death. On Sept 19, 1863, at the Battle of Chickamauga, an unnamed Confederate sharpshooter mortally wounded Union General William Lytle, who was leading a charge at the time.
Quote from: rgramjet on December 27, 2011, 05:28:11 AM
A 580 grain bullet, propelled by 60 grains of black powder? At 1,000 yards that must be mortarlike.
i missed something, where was the weight posted? .58 caliber yes, 580 grain? that's about 1.5 oz of lead, about 3x the size of a 45ACP. not crazy huge -- about the size of a 12ga slug.
typical 50bmg weight is about 2200gr, right at about 5oz.
if you go to the link I posted..... below the rifle listing there are 580 grain bullets for sale
Quote from: RAT900 on December 27, 2011, 05:56:12 AM
if you go to the link I posted..... below the rifle listing there are 580 grain bullets for sale
i did, i didn't see those. .451 cal and 580grains? That's about a 1.5-2" long projectile.. lol..
I'm guessing the General looked up for a second and the bullet landed on him! lol
Quote from: ducatiz on December 27, 2011, 05:59:14 AM
i did, i didn't see those. .451 cal and 580grains? That's about a 1.5-2" long projectile.. lol..
If I ever make the plunge into black powder that is the rifle I would go for...the Gibbs Rifle/Parker-Hale one is a few hundred more than the Dixie one and is rumored to be of better finish and quality
accurate weapons are interesting from any era
I have one black powder rifle and one pistol, I barely use both, but I enjoy them and given the cost of shooting it might be a good option since they slow you down a bit.. lol
The rifle is a Traditions Kentucky rifle in .50 cal and the pistol is one of the Navy repros done by Sampietro. Both are in the back of the safe right now, languishing...
One of the locals here - and a neighbor of a close friend & hunting/shooting buddy - is a retired military marksman and active competitor in long range matches who regularly beats cartridge shooters with a muzzleloader. He's got a knack for engineering and developed a number of specialized tools and techniques for the process, including a nifty grip that fits over the end of a ramrod and can be set to click like a torque wrench when a designated pressure is achieved on the bullet. Just like a cartridge shooter who does precision handloading, he's got an amazing amount of control over every variable in the process.
Another Prescott AZ local - this time a historical one, with a larger than life bronze mounted statue on our court house square - met a similar end to Gen. Sedgwick, just few decades later. A key member of Teddy Roosevelt's officer corps in the Rough Riders and moments before the famous charge up Kettle Hill, Buckey O'Neill was exhorting his men not to take cover in the face of withering Mauser fire by Spanish troops. Standing up & smoking a cigarette, his last words to a sergeant who was urging him to take cover were "Sergeant, the Spanish bullet isn't made that will kill me!"
Quote from: triangleforge on December 27, 2011, 08:57:45 AM
snipped...."Sergeant, the Spanish bullet isn't made that will kill me!"
But those German ones that probably were shipped with the Mausers sure did the job [clap]
As for the Muzzle loader I absolutely believe you can get outstanding accuracy with black powder
some of the guys shooting the old Winchester 1885 falling block High Wall match rifles will precision seat (with a tool) the bullet head into the lands and grooves at the throat of their barrels....then charge the case and insert it open-mouthed into the chamber...not even assembling the cartridge...that way the bullet head is fully aligned and on the same concentric axis or something with the bore...watched a guy playing with one at the 200 yard line...he was doing more than fine with it
spent a bloody fortune on the rifle and accompanying accuracy tools
The American Civil War saw very high mortality for generals & the officer corps, since the only way to know what was going on at the front was to be within rifle or artillery range of it. I used to co-lead tours of the battlefield of Second Manassas, where we tried to get across to students the idea expanded on by many Civil War historians, that tactics often lagged significantly behind technology, with rifles that could kill at three or four times the effective range of the older weapons on which the close-order, massed-fire battle tactics of the day were based.
Those tactics had changed quite a bit by the time of the Spanish-American war, but not enough to save poor ol' Buckey. I came across Teddy Roosevelt's own account of the incident, which notes: "He had a theory that an officer ought never to take cover - a theory which was, of course, wrong, though in a volunteer organization the officers should certainly expose themselves very fully, simply for the effect on the men; our regimental toast on the transport running, 'The officers; may the war last until each is killed, wounded, or promoted.'"
While I admire the idea that Sedgwick & O'Neill had of showing indifference to enemy fire "simply for the effect on the men," I have to think the way it worked out for them had rather the opposite effect of that intended upon their troops' state of mind.
Quote from: triangleforge on December 27, 2011, 08:57:45 AM
One of the locals here - and a neighbor of a close friend & hunting/shooting buddy - is a retired military marksman and active competitor in long range matches who regularly beats cartridge shooters with a muzzleloader. He's got a knack for engineering and developed a number of specialized tools and techniques for the process, including a nifty grip that fits over the end of a ramrod and can be set to click like a torque wrench when a designated pressure is achieved on the bullet. Just like a cartridge shooter who does precision handloading, he's got an amazing amount of control over every variable in the process.
A couple of 50 grain 777 pellets, a 300 grain XTP and Im good to go. Inch groups at 100. I havent tried more than 100 grains, yet.
Quote from: RAT900 on December 27, 2011, 05:49:34 AM
my favorite Whitworth story:
According to popular accounts, on May 9, 1864, during the Battle of Spotsylvania Courthouse, Union General John Sedgwick was chiding some of his troops for lying down in a ditch to avoid Confederate sharpshooters at a range of around 800 to 1000 yards. Shots from Confederate Whitworth rifles, easily identifiable due to the shrill whistling noises their hexagonal bullets made in flight, caused members of his staff and artillerymen to duck for cover. Sedgwick strode around in the open and was quoted as saying, "What? Men dodging this way for single bullets? What will you do when they open fire along the whole line? I am ashamed of you. They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance." Although ashamed, his men continued to flinch and he repeated, "I'm ashamed of you, dodging that way. They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance." Just seconds later he fell forward with a bullet hole below his left eye. At least five confederate soldiers would later claim that they had fired the fatal shot.
Earlier during the war, the Whitworth was responsible for another high-ranking death. On Sept 19, 1863, at the Battle of Chickamauga, an unnamed Confederate sharpshooter mortally wounded Union General William Lytle, who was leading a charge at the time.
Regardless of the war or confrontation I love those stories that start with "Ahhh, there is no way they could hit us from there!" [popcorn] [roll] It's probably lost deep in this thread and I'm damn sure too lazy to look for it but I love the story about the Finn sharp shooter who took out hundreds of Russian soldiers during the little short lived skirmish decades ago between those two countries. He kicked their ass. Another "He can't hit us from there" story! [laugh] [beer]
Quote from: rgramjet on December 26, 2011, 08:05:40 PM
I like Thompson Centers but can't stand the "bone collector" ad campaign......reminds me too much of the paulie jr Coleman grills. Post up a review after you shoot it! Do you use pellets or loose powder? 100 grains?
I have an old, blued Knight that shoots very consistently. Love to get a new style, break action in stainless but cant justify it yet. The Savage smokeless powder muzzle loader is awesome!
I did not want the Bone Collector per se. I just wanted the triumph but paid cost so really couldn't complain. I wanted the gun because of the design to limit kick. Bleeding and bruising are not safe for me so this was the deciding factor in the gun.
I added a Nikon 3x9 to complete the package.
I shoot 100 grains of pyrodex or two pellets with a 240 grain sabot. The gun has almost no kick at all. I was shocked.
It is extremely accurate. I sighted in 2 inches high at 100 yards. So i should be good out to 150 yards. The one thing that is weird is that once the gun is fired the sabots go in harder and harder. Something I will get used to. I bought a bore snake to make field cleaning a little easier.
Cleaning couldn't be easier as this is a soap and water gun. The in lines are a dream to clean. The breach comes out by hand. There is a knob on the end of the trigger assembly to make the barrel break away similar to how the encore breaks open.
Couldn't ask for more in a muzzleloader.
Quote from: fastwin on December 27, 2011, 05:39:15 PM
Regardless of the war or confrontation I love those stories that start with "Ahhh, there is no way they could hit us from there!" [popcorn] [roll] It's probably lost deep in this thread and I'm damn sure too lazy to look for it but I love the story about the Finn sharp shooter who took out hundreds of Russian soldiers during the little short lived skirmish decades ago between those two countries. He kicked their ass. Another "He can't hit us from there" story! [laugh] [beer]
there is a Simo Hayha aka "white death" shooting competition in Finland now.
Quote from: ducatiz on December 27, 2011, 10:43:03 PM
there is a Simo Hayha aka "white death" shooting competition in Finland now.
do they use Russians for targets?
Quote from: RAT900 on December 28, 2011, 04:47:26 AM
do they use Russians for targets?
lol i doubt it.
i have a Finn "Skye" Mosin, it's easily the best Mosin I've seen. They have a long history of using Russian designed weapons, but improving them.
They took the original M39 and put a sharp-shooter quality barrel on it and headspaced them perfectly and made their own 762x54r loads which put the russian stuff to shame. Even the Russian "snaypersky" stuff isn't as good.
Look what they did with the AK platform -- created the far superior Valmet AKs. I have an M76 and it's by far a superior rifle in every aspect -- they chose to use NATO rounds as well for their military versions and redesigned them to support a smaller load (except for the 7.62 models).
I also have a Valmet Hunter which I wanted to convert to a Galil someday (but that was when you couldn't get galils cheap...) now cia sells them for $500
I recall when Valmets were the closest you could get to an AK...always wanted one but did not want to shell out the bucks
then the early Clayco AKs appeared then the flood of Norincos and Poly's, Kassnar's etc...
I scratched my AK itch on all of them and today have none of them
I've never seen a Kassnar AK.
I have a NIB Clayco Polytech if you want to scratch that itch again... complete except for the happy switch.
I love my Norinco MAK. I have it (legally) converted to an E. German style and its absurdly accurate within 200 yd or so -- within a 12" plate, I'm deadly. Those chinese receivers are thicker and much better than the russian stuff.
Quote from: ducatiz on December 28, 2011, 05:51:20 AM
I've never seen a Kassnar AK.
I have a NIB Clayco Polytech if you want to scratch that itch again... complete except for the happy switch.
I love my Norinco MAK. I have it (legally) converted to an E. German style and its absurdly accurate within 200 yd or so -- within a 12" plate, I'm deadly. Those chinese receivers are thicker and much better than the russian stuff.
They (Kassnar) were the importers of the blond wood FEG Hungarians....hmmmm is the Clayco the one with the nasty black plastic furniture and the crapo parkerizing/bluing(?) I love the look of that rifle
Quote from: RAT900 on December 28, 2011, 06:38:58 AM
They (Kassnar) were the importers of the blond wood FEG Hungarians....hmmmm is the Clayco the one with the nasty black plastic furniture and the crapo parkerizing/bluing(?) I love the look of that rifle
AHHH I forgot about the old FEG guns.. those were nice. I have a later Hungarian and I picked up a milsurp parts kit which I'll someday mate with the receiver I have... sigh. time..
No, Clayco and KFI imported some beautiful polytechs -- solid maple furniture and beautiful bluing. Most of the polytechs are machined receivers but these were stamped 1.8mm sheet metal. They are absurdly rigid compared to the russian 1mm receivers.
I would take the old crap looking one in a heartbeat...they are bringing in some dollars these days
Quote from: RAT900 on December 28, 2011, 06:50:30 AM
I would take the old crap looking one in a heartbeat...they are bringing in some dollars these days
I had a Maadi that was like that. Looked like crap but shot like crazy. Nearly had to turn it in because they sort of forgot to weld over the happy switch holes... lol
I've got an old British Martini Henry 577-450 - I swage and paper patch a 480 grain bullet and load it with 105 grains of 1F, felt wad and lube cookie. I have put hits on a 12" steel plate at 600 yards with it. You need to be 72" high at 100 to be on at 600. Pretty fun.
I also built a 45 caliber fast twist underhammer muzzleloader that takes the same bullet and 120 grains of 2F - its basically a Sharps that loads from the front.
I made some swaged paper patch bullets for a guy in Switzerland that built exquisite Billinghurst style underhammers - they shot them at 1000 yards there with good results.
I have to finish some paper patch bullets for a local guy here that is building Peabody Martini target rifles - if they work well, I'll probably be his demo shooter in BPCR competitions.
That sounds like some crazy fun!
Santa brought me a ruger mini 14 for Christmas :)
Anybody have experience with this particular gun?
Looking at changing out the stock and a few other bits. Suggestions?
Will primarily be a fun range/plunking gun.
Quote from: minnesotamonster on December 28, 2011, 11:26:46 AM
Santa brought me a ruger mini 14 for Christmas :)
Anybody have experience with this particular gun?
Looking at changing out the stock and a few other bits. Suggestions?
Will primarily be a fun range/plunking gun.
If santa is handing out guns, I might have christmas next year.. lol
what do you want to know? they are fun and very versatile. plenty of mods availabel for them.
Lol no kidding.
Haven't looked too hard yet but just looking at stocks, there seems to be wide range in price. Wondering what brands to stay away from, stuff like that. I'd like to get a tactical type stock with a pistol grip. Couple of extended mags (the 5 round stocker seems to empty a little too quick :) )
Quote from: ducatiz on December 28, 2011, 11:38:12 AM
If santa is handing out guns, I might have christmas next year.. lol
what do you want to know? they are fun and very versatile. plenty of mods availabel for them.
traitor... :P
My buddy is thinking about selling his Savage 10MLSS. It's a muzzleloader that shoots smokeless powder.
I'll be hunting with it Friday. He has it sighted in 1" high at 100 yards, dead on at 200. Shooting a 240 grain XTP. Can't wait to see what it will do.
I made some jacketed 295 grain hollowpoints for the Savage front stuffers - they are decidedly grim on meat - the only tracking you need to do is the couple feet straight down. They work exceptionally well in most sabot muzzleloaders as well as in the 44 magnum. One of my customers shot a variety of African game with them with good success.
'tiz mentioned Galil earlier so I sent him a link.
He says it's a deal...
http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=44298.msg254000#msg254000 (http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=44298.msg254000#msg254000)
The seller seems to be a straight up guy from his forum presence.
Quote from: minnesotamonster on December 28, 2011, 11:26:46 AM
Santa brought me a ruger mini 14 for Christmas :)
Anybody have experience with this particular gun?
Looking at changing out the stock and a few other bits. Suggestions?
Will primarily be a fun range/plunking gun.
From what I've been reading, this gives the most bang for the buck in regards to accuracy for the mini 14:
http://accu-strut.com/ (http://accu-strut.com/)
(http://accu-strut.com/gallery/ASRM2-BTBC_closeup02.jpg)
Really seems like a gimmick, but apparently works.
Quote from: ducpainter on December 28, 2011, 03:24:42 PM
'tiz mentioned Galil earlier so I sent him a link.
He says it's a deal...
http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=44298.msg254000#msg254000 (http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=44298.msg254000#msg254000)
The seller seems to be a straight up guy from his forum presence.
That's a really neat rifle. Never heard of Galil until now. I just got done reading the wiki. Seems like a tough and reliable firearm [thumbsup]
OK guys I have two guns I'm thinking of bidding on. The first is a Romanian High-Capacity AK-47 WASR10 7.62x39 Rifle and the second is a Beretta CX4 in a 9mm configuration. They are both very different and I have shit tons of Beretta 9mm and 40 clips so the latter I thought would be fun. I've never owned an AK style gun but for the price of this baby, under 500, I thought why not try it. Any experience out there?
Are you going to make a move on the Galil Nate?
Quote from: muskrat on December 28, 2011, 09:11:37 PM
OK guys I have two guns I'm thinking of bidding on. The first is a Romanian High-Capacity AK-47 WASR10 7.62x39 Rifle and the second is a Beretta CX4 in a 9mm configuration. They are both very different and I have shit tons of Beretta 9mm and 40 clips so the latter I thought would be fun. I've never owned an AK style gun but for the price of this baby, under 500, I thought why not try it. Any experience out there?
I had the early Roms in 762x39 and the 5.45x39 both had trigger lash-back which does not feel good after a few pulls
your index finger will start complaining quickly if you have one that hasn't had the action cleaned up
IIRC the gas piston extension was either soldered or epoxied to the bolt carrier unit.
Insanely drunk or Fume-happy Salvation Army members must have done the varnish work on the furniture
The paint finish (I think calling it phosphating would be an exaggeration) was sketchy
But they are fun guns and they do work to a nominal level of man-kill accuracy
Quote from: DRKWNG on December 29, 2011, 03:20:09 AM
Are you going to make a move on the Galil Nate?
Nah...
I like steel pistols, and rifles with wooden furniture...not the tactical stuff.
I thought someone might be interested.
Quote from: muskrat on December 28, 2011, 09:11:37 PM
OK guys I have two guns I'm thinking of bidding on. The first is a Romanian High-Capacity AK-47 WASR10 7.62x39 Rifle and the second is a Beretta CX4 in a 9mm configuration. They are both very different and I have shit tons of Beretta 9mm and 40 clips so the latter I thought would be fun. I've never owned an AK style gun but for the price of this baby, under 500, I thought why not try it. Any experience out there?
Ive never handled one but the cx4 is on my want list.
I've shot several Beretta Storm Carbines in 45 ACP and 9mm. Both guns were very reliable and way more than adequately accurate for what they are. They are also relatively handy and seem pretty rugged. I wouldn't feel at all bad owning one.
For me it started when I was interested in a Hipoint .45. They are a cheap gun (mostly stamped construction i think) but people seemed to love them.
Then I found the CX4. Better build, uses mags from the 92 so they're common, can be broken down and switched to LH shooter pretty easily (wife is left handed) Lots more money though.
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 28, 2011, 08:19:21 PM
That's a really neat rifle. Never heard of Galil until now. I just got done reading the wiki. Seems like a tough and reliable firearm [thumbsup]
They are awesome. Best of the best of the AK design, including the toolless 1-piece gas tube setup and the right-side selector. Biggest gripe on the AK design is the 19-century selector.
Quote from: muskrat on December 28, 2011, 09:11:37 PM
OK guys I have two guns I'm thinking of bidding on. The first is a Romanian High-Capacity AK-47 WASR10 7.62x39 Rifle and the second is a Beretta CX4 in a 9mm configuration. They are both very different and I have shit tons of Beretta 9mm and 40 clips so the latter I thought would be fun. I've never owned an AK style gun but for the price of this baby, under 500, I thought why not try it. Any experience out there?
The WASR-10 is a converted low-capacity AK.
Pre-2004, they were being imported with the mag wells not cut out. CIA or Century or whomever they call themselves created a single-stack magazine design and only sold 10-rd mags so they could be sold in places like CA and NY.
When the AWB expired, they took all the mag-less bodies they had and re-cut them to use regular magazines.
There is no functional difference in them and other Romanian/Cugir-made AKs.
They are called "single hook" trigger AKs because the trigger has only one sear hook and are known for trigger slap -- against the back of your finger when firing. There are mods to fix that.
They came in several finishes, the most common was a painted on style.
Not a fan of the CX4 but they are decent I have heard. I like the Cougar, but that's about the only Berretta I like nowadays.
Its like buying a Chinese Harbor Freight tabletop lathe or a Mazak CNC Turning Center. If you care about the quality and quality of your work and the longevity of your equipment, not to mention pride and confidence in your tools, you know what you will choose.
Quote from: WarrenJ on December 29, 2011, 06:20:39 AM
Its like buying a Chinese Harbor Freight tabletop lathe or a Mazak CNC Turning Center. If you care about the quality and quality of your work and the longevity of your equipment, not to mention pride and confidence in your tools, you know what you will choose.
On the other hand, it's an AK. It's designed to be built by uneducated communist workers who didn't give a shit, and given to infantry guys who needed their COs behind them with a machine gun pointed at them to stay on the line, and to operate half-assembled with dirt in the action.
AK: When you absolutely, positively need to shoot someone.
I think he was referring to the Hi-Point/Beretta scenario. :-\
Thanks RAT.
Ducatiz, this is the quote from the website selling the AK "These are not the neutered AK's you'll find elsewhere; these are top of the line, true to military configuration semi-auto AK47's."
I guess I'll be calling them today when they open. It's Military Gun Supply in Fort Worth that's selling it. The other consideration is a Russian Saiga AK 47 Rifle IZ 132
Monsterlover, I wont be paying full price because I'm looking at used ones but a dealer nearby did quote me $708. ;D
The ones I had were the original SAR's....they came with the scope mount assembly pinned on, no threading on the muzzle and no bayonet lug on the front sight assembly
and they did take a double stack mag...although supplied with only a 10 rounder for NYS
Just had to post this one [laugh]
(http://media1.keepbusy.net/pics/pic-dump-100-79.jpg)
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 29, 2011, 09:45:10 AM
Just had to post this one [laugh]
(http://media1.keepbusy.net/pics/pic-dump-100-79.jpg)
[laugh] [clap] [laugh] [clap] [laugh]
[beer]
I approve of this sign. ;D
[bacon]
Quote from: The Bacon Junkie on December 29, 2011, 11:31:19 AM
I approve of this sign. ;D
[bacon]
Did you see the house number? ;D
Quote from: instigator on December 29, 2011, 12:16:32 PM
Did you see the house number? ;D
Yes!!!
The [laugh] and [clap] was for the sign.
The [beer] was for the house number... 8)
[bacon]
That's about as smart as someone placing a sign outside saying, "My neighbor wants to ban all 62" plasma TV's and surround sound systems! Their house only has BOOKS inside! Out of respect for thier opinions I promise NOT to let them watch movies on MY Magnolia home theater system!"
Hmm. Gee. Which house case then rob while they're not there. That's a tough one. Nope, I'll go rob the house that only has books. [roll]
During the hurricane Ike aftermath my dad thought it was cute and that he was deterring something by spray painting shotgun security across a plywood board and putting it in his front yard. His house was flooded out, so they had to move into an apartment down the road and they still had somethings in the house that were salvageable (not guns). They were stolen . . . wait for it . . . when he wasn't there! OMG what a concept.
As a Libertarian I get and support the 2nd ammendment rights side of it, but advertising what you have inside your house is make the beast with two backsing dumber than a armadillo wearing a pink g-string.
Pretty sure that pic was done as a joke. Let's please keep things in line and not tread into dangerous ground.
Quote from: DRKWNG on December 29, 2011, 04:30:27 PM
Pretty sure that pic was done as a joke. Let's please keep things in line and not tread into dangerous ground.
I'm pretty sure it a p-chop.
Sense of humor required.
Quote from: ducpainter on December 29, 2011, 04:35:11 PM
I'm pretty sure it a p-chop.
Sense of humor required.
That's my point.
Got to shoot my buddy's Mac-10 yesterday. I have to say, happiness is full auto. Then as we were getting ready to leave, we started talking to the guy next to us about some of his guns, one of which was a WW2 Thompson. He let us each put a mag through it. Man, that thing was a tank but there was no recoil and muzzle rise was minimal. Really fun to shoot.
Here's something you don't see all the time...
(http://i499.photobucket.com/albums/rr360/Obiefox/RV85.jpg)
http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=44381.msg254566#msg254566 (http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=44381.msg254566#msg254566)
Get 'em while they're hot....
F!! That's not a bad price on those bad boys.
Quote from: DRKWNG on December 31, 2011, 08:39:59 AM
F!! That's not a bad price on those bad boys.
So many toys...
so little money. :-\
That looks like something I could easily get in trouble with! If I have a small windfall, I might have to acquire one of them!!!!!
You can pick up a 37mm version of an M203 which is a smoothbore plastic barrel launcher without a DD tax. You can reload the shells with black powder for a low pressure shell.
I think that as it stands doesn't need the DD tax.
I might be wrong.
Quote from: ducpainter on December 31, 2011, 11:16:38 AM
I think that as it stands doesn't need the DD tax.
I might be wrong.
Smoothbore 25-26.5mm flares do not.
Once the barrel is steel, they look closer.
The 26.5 flare size has only ever had flares made for it, never high-enery projectiles or grenades. You >could< make grenades with it, but not easily. Same rules apply to rare-cartridge sizes above 0.50 caliber. If the ammo is common-ish, then it's a DD, but if it's something you cooked up in your basement and that's the only source for the ammo, then it's not a DD.
For smoothbores, if it's above 0.50" then the question is what ammo is available.
That's why you see rifled slug guns in 12ga but nothing bigger.
a 40mm M203 is a DD because there is plenty of 40 mm shells which are grenade type. You can reload the shells. Flares are available, but so are grenades.
Contemplating a 22lr AR15. Anyone have any preferences- I was looking at the Sig and the HK? Anything else I should look at?
Quote from: Dannyboy on December 30, 2011, 04:23:45 PM
Got to shoot my buddy's Mac-10 yesterday. I have to say, happiness is full auto. Then as we were getting ready to leave, we started talking to the guy next to us about some of his guns, one of which was a WW2 Thompson. He let us each put a mag through it. Man, that thing was a tank but there was no recoil and muzzle rise was minimal. Really fun to shoot.
Last summer I was hanging out with some Class III buddies at a shoot and one had a Mac-11 .380acp and oh my God was the rate of fire off the chart!! I think it's rated at around 1,250 rpm but damn, it seemed faster than that! :o And at the cost of .380acp ammo I bet it's not getting a lot of playing time! Still, major fun to shoot. Glad I got to borrow it and not own it. [thumbsup]
My brother owns a Class III .45acp Thompson. You're right, it does rock! [thumbsup] [popcorn] [bacon]
As far as 22LR AR-15's, - I have a CMMG conversion kit that I really like(when its in my possession as my brother usually ends up with it). Its very reliable and very accurate with certain types of ammo. Accuracy varies from 12" @ 50 yards to less than a half inch at that range depending on the ammo. My rig shows an extreme preference for Wolf Match Target. It jams occasionally with the Wolf as it is a subsonic match round but it is by far the most accurate in my rig. I've swapped the kit into other AR's and the ammo preferences change drastically. My brothers AR shoots CCI MiniMag real well. If you get a rimfire AR, (or any 22 for that matter) collect up a wide variety of ammo and spend a few hours at the range, benching it to see what it likes. The difference the right ammo makes can be dramatic.
One thing with testing a variety of rimfire ammo, when you switch from one brand to another, make sure to shoot 5-10 rounds of it before getting serious about grouping with it as it will take a few shots for the bore condition to adjust to the different lube/powder fouling characteristics of each individual ammo. The difference getting to a consistent bore condition makes is very noticeable in an accurate rifle.
Typically with the AR 22's, you will find a high reliability ammo with adequate accuracy for blasting and probably a subsonic round that will be more accurate, but may jam a bit.
True that about .22lr ammo. [thumbsup] No .22lr AR platform experience but even my step son's Ruger Bearcat (a modern version not an oldie like I had as a kid) is very picky about .22lr ammo. Of course it has basic SAA type sights... "ditch" on the receiver and tall blade front sight, so maybe "target" type sights would help in that part of accuracy. But that's the way the gun is, "old west" sights. But even with that rudimentary sight set up you can clearly see it has a preference in ammo. I don't see .22lr AR platforms being much different.
I read somewhere that you can swap a .223 upper on to the factory CMMG .22lr- that would probably seal the deal for me.
Thanks for the recco.
www.christensenarms.com/tactical/ca-15-recon (//http://)
Quote from: stateprez on January 01, 2012, 03:32:49 PM
I read somewhere that you can swap a .223 upper on to the factory CMMG .22lr- that would probably seal the deal for me.
Thanks for the recco.
the lowers are all identical, they use a mag well adapter for the 22 mag.
i have a registered lower, and i swap it between the 5.56 M4 upper and the new 7.62 tokarev SBR upper.
Quote from: DRKWNG on January 01, 2012, 06:26:49 PM
As in happy switch?
no, it's just a registered SBR. saving up for a can and a happy switch lower..
Thinking about getting an SBR upper as well. Wish I had the cash for a happy switch of my own, but those are only for work...
Quote from: DRKWNG on January 01, 2012, 06:29:48 PM
Thinking about getting an SBR upper as well. Wish I had the cash for a happy switch or my own, but those are only for work...
you mean lower? or do you already have a registered lower?
once you register the lower you can use it with any upper, sbr or not. i used to have a 7" upper but it was just a waste. i registered mine so I could swap between a carbine upper and that 7" thinking i would use it, but it isn't worth it. all of the 5.56 loads need at least 12-14" of barrel to get to speed. i sold it after i picked up an M4 barreled upper. the tokarev upper has a 11" barrel and makes a lot better sense as almost all of the ammo is pistol and uses the shorter barrel much better.
in truth, i don't know i'll ever get the full auto, it's fun for sure, but i come from a sharpshooter background so dumping brass is not my thing. the can, however.. that's just common sense.
I'm planning to get my SR-15 lower registered then be able to swap out between its upper and a .300 Black Out SBR upper, which will also take a can.
Nice thing about happy switches: that little stamp trumps all and it doesn't matter what length the barrel is, as there is no barrel length requirements for "machine guns".
Quote from: DRKWNG on January 01, 2012, 06:37:06 PM
I'm planning to get my SR-15 lower registered then be able to swap out between its upper and a .300 Black Out SBR upper, which will also take a can.
Nice thing about happy switches: that little stamp trumps all and it doesn't matter what length the barrel is, as there is no barrel length requirements for "machine guns".
it's true, but it's a shitload more money involved and you can't cut your own, you have to take what's out there as opposed to just buying a $60 lower plus the $200 versus $10-15-20K for a full auto on a form 4.
and in the OFF chance they repeal the bad parts of FOPA, that $15k rifle you bought is now worth about 90% less!
Never said anything about it being cost effective, just nice. :D
Full auto on an assault rifle is a waste.
Quote from: DRKWNG on January 01, 2012, 06:43:33 PM
Never said anything about it being cost effective, just nice. :D
Sure, and throw in an automatic sack scratcher, wouldja? I'll take 2.
Quote from: cupcake on January 01, 2012, 06:44:08 PM
Full auto on an assault rifle is a waste.
You probably know it just comes from the realization that they can't teach everyone to be a sharpshooter. Give them a 3 rd burst and they might hit something... mag dumping full auto is definitely a questionably feature though, unless it's belt fed whatever it is.
While we are on the subject, I have seriously been thinking about dumping my Steyr AUG full auto. I've had it since 1989 and it's probably stupid money now. It's too damn expensive to shoot a lot in these times. Don't know if that will hurt it's value, but I assume most folks who can afford a .223 full auto can also afford the ammo.
I'll hang onto the MP-5 forever. I've got surplus 9mm out the kazoo. Also had it since 1989 and have never had to replace anything... nada, zip, nothing. [thumbsup] Been gentle on the barrel so it's even still in great shape.
Probably the two best "investments" I have ever made. [popcorn]
Quote from: fastwin on January 01, 2012, 06:49:55 PM
Probably the two best "investments" I have ever made. [popcorn]
Because selling the AUG will fund the Panigale.
Quote from: fastwin on January 01, 2012, 06:49:55 PM
While we are on the subject, I have seriously been thinking about dumping my Steyr AUG full auto. I've had it since 1989 and it's probably stupid money now. It's too damn expensive to shoot a lot in these times. Don't know if that will hurt it's value, but I assume most folks who can afford a .223 full auto can also afford the ammo.
If you've had it since 89 then you are definitely going to make money off that. Those original AUGs are pretty rare, but I don't know that they sell for a huge premium. M16s will sell for 15-20 easily, but I've seen AUGs go for 12-15 max.
FYI the AUG has the same polyamide nylon stock as in our problematic gas tanks... they treated it though to prevent water absorption...
Ben, one tip, when you register the lower as an SBR, you should put the SHORTEST barrel you can think of in the form. You'll never be hassled for putting on a longer barrel. I registered mine with the 7" and don't even own the 7" pos anymore. You have to state the caliber too but there isn't any issue with swapping caliber later.
Quote from: DRKWNG on January 01, 2012, 06:51:18 PM
Because selling the AUG will fund the Panigale.
I paid like $2,000 for it in 1989. Less for the MP-5. Again, good investment! [popcorn]
Damn, I didn't know rifles were so expensive
Quote from: cokey on January 01, 2012, 08:58:09 PM
Damn, I didn't know rifles were so expensive
full auto firearms are expensive because they can no longer be made for civilian use, so the only ones available are 1986 and older.
you can convert a regular rifle to a short-barrel legally if you register it, but you cannot convert it to full auto.
Full auto stuff is a lot of fun to play with, but I found that at least for myself, I can engage more targets faster with a handgun or shotgun. I've had the opportunity to go through some timed field shooting courses with pistol/shotgun, then with subguns so I do have some empirical data at least for myself. An acquaintance of mine was the head of one of the Chicago Tactical Police teams. His group had the choice of MP-5's or 12" Entry Benelli 12 ga shotguns. They never used the MP-5's.
You can't miss fast enough to make up for not hitting your target. Only hits count.
Thats not to say the MP-5 isnt a fine gun. Its probably the most controllable, easy to hit with subgun I have ever used.
At one point, HK was looking at sponsoring my wife and we got to play with a wide variety of their toys and spend some time with their trainers. I think the one I liked the best was a 10" barreled, collapsible stocked, select fire 223. WOW was that an amazing gun.
This got my attention..
Ruger SR22
http://www.ruger.com/products/sr22Pistol/index.html (http://www.ruger.com/products/sr22Pistol/index.html)
Yeppers, love my MP-5. You're right, it is very controllable and very reliable. I've run every possible make of 9mm through it I could find. Blazer, Win, Rem, S&B, Norinco, Euro military surplus, etc. Ate and spit out every round. I cannot remember it ever jamming. Just good basic maintenance and post shoot cleaning... that's it. It's like owning a bike that never breaks, runs forever and all you do is ride it and give it a post ride wash. [thumbsup] [Dolph] What's not to like?
^^^
agreed
Quote from: Monsterlover on January 02, 2012, 08:54:20 AM
This got my attention..
Ruger SR22
http://www.ruger.com/products/sr22Pistol/index.html (http://www.ruger.com/products/sr22Pistol/index.html)
I also love my two MKII Rugers! Both bull barrel, one blue and one stainless. Two of the best pistols I have ever owned. Not sure if I will ever need to buy another .22 handgun.
Got to shoot my friend's old High Standard HD Military .22 at his ranch in November. That too was one fine shooting old .22. [thumbsup]
Question: are there general rules for how long ammo is safe and effective? For instance, I have a 4 yr old case of shotgun shells. Some of my pistol ammo is older than that. Can I rely on that stuff?
The question reoccured to me when ML mentioned stocking up on shotgun shells in prep for the zombiepocalypse ;D
we just shot reloads over Christmas that were more than 10 years old. Stored inside the house of course but they worked perfectly. Was that just stupid of us? :-\
Quote from: muskrat on January 02, 2012, 10:14:52 AM
we just shot reloads over Christmas that were more than 10 years old. Stored inside the house of course but they worked perfectly. Was that just stupid of us? :-\
did you have any squibs or blow off a cheek?
Quote from: swampduc on January 02, 2012, 10:08:12 AM
Question: are there general rules for how long ammo is safe and effective? For instance, I have a 4 yr old case of shotgun shells. Some of my pistol ammo is older than that. Can I rely on that stuff?
The question reoccured to me when ML mentioned stocking up on shotgun shells in prep for the zombiepocalypse ;D
My opinion (not fact) and experience is that if it is kept indoors (clean and dry) that it should last a very long time. I have heard that exposure to extreme heat (like some of mine that I keep in a rented metal storage unit) can have a negative effect on the powder charge over a long period of time. But I have never had a problem with any of my long term storage ammo. But then again it's kept in the orginal boxes/cases or in sealed US military metal ammo cans and it is clean and dry.
Who knows? The next time I shoot any of it they could all be duds! :P That whole zombie thing is enough for me to stock pile ammo. [thumbsup] ;) I'm watching all the re-runs of Walking Dead to pick up any zombie tips.
As long as ammo is stored even remotely propery, it will last for decades or longer. One of the exceptions to this rule is some of the "Lead Free" primers mandated by some police departments and some military organizations - the priming compound can break down faster than conventional primers and it has been noted to be more temperature sensitive that lead stymphnate (sp), resulting in reliability issues in cold weather.
I shot a couple grouse two weeks ago with paper shotgun shells that were probably 60 years old. With the foolishly high modern ammo costs, I found its cheaper to shoot up some of the old collecter stuff I have that is worth less than new ammo - and in many cases it performs better.
I just bought a bunch of powder that was in sealed containers from the '50's and '60's and it is working great - in a couple of instances, giving me better accuracy than I have gotten from new lots of the same powder.
paper wrapped shells allow more expansion so might get a little more pressure initially.
that's pretty bad about the cost of new vs collector stufff
Quote from: fastwin on January 01, 2012, 06:49:55 PM
While we are on the subject, I have seriously been thinking about dumping my Steyr AUG full auto. I've had it since 1989 and it's probably stupid money now. It's too damn expensive to shoot a lot in these times. Don't know if that will hurt it's value, but I assume most folks who can afford a .223 full auto can also afford the ammo.
I'll hang onto the MP-5 forever. I've got surplus 9mm out the kazoo. Also had it since 1989 and have never had to replace anything... nada, zip, nothing. [thumbsup] Been gentle on the barrel so it's even still in great shape.
Probably the two best "investments" I have ever made. [popcorn]
I keep meaning to post on this and finally remembered ...
Post a pic of the AUG :D
Believe it or not I don't own a camera. And my cell phone is so old it is nothing but a cell phone. No camera, no video.
The full auto AUGs look no different than a semi. I switched mine out to a black stock set from the standard green set. I have all the barrels. 14", 16", 20" and 24" heavy machine gun barrel. It's the standard receiver but I do have a semi with a "special" receiver for STANAG scope mount set up.
The new AUGs and knock offs have Picatinny rails. Wish my old school AUGs had that.
Quote from: ducatiz on January 02, 2012, 10:34:47 AM
did you have any squibs or blow off a cheek?
nope. we did shoot some paper shells so I'm betting that box was well over 20 years old and we survived.
The new SBR tok upper on my registered lower.. As it turns out, the bolt and carrier are all 5.56 type. The only unique bits to the TOkarev round are the barrel and the mag adapter.
The gas port is about 2" in front of the chamber.
I just noticed I took pics and cut off the muzzle so you can't see how short it is...
that sight block is a fake gas block.. parts from the "dissipator" style of carbine.
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oh yeah, this came in the post too:
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Quote from: fastwin on January 02, 2012, 09:05:23 AM
I also love my two MKII Rugers! Both bull barrel, one blue and one stainless. Two of the best pistols I have ever owned. Not sure if I will ever need to buy another .22 handgun.
Got to shoot my friend's old High Standard HD Military .22 at his ranch in November. That too was one fine shooting old .22. [thumbsup]
One of the best little hand guns I've shot. Cheap and lethal if needs be.
LA
Would a .22 really be enough?
Quote from: Monsterlover on January 03, 2012, 08:03:46 PM
Would a .22 really be enough?
if you have perfect aim, a spitball is enough
That's what I figured.
For home defense I think a good scatter gun would be the way to go.
Point and click affair.
Of course, if all I had was a pencil on hand, that's what I'd be using ;D
calling the Judge to Monsterlover's house.....unless you're in Cali. 8)
Quote from: Monsterlover on January 03, 2012, 08:11:19 PM
That's what I figured.
For home defense I think a good scatter gun would be the way to go.
Point and click affair.
Of course, if all I had was a pencil on hand, that's what I'd be using ;D
it really depends on a lot of things.. your skill at shooting, what your walls are made of, etc..
a typical home with plaster/wood walls makes it unsafe to use rifle rounds.. they penetrate and go thru and you can endanger your family.
bird shot in a shotgun will mess someone up from short range, but will not penetrate. you will just have 30-40 bb sized holes in the wall.
all that being said, if your security plan allows someone into your home, then it's a shitty plan. it should be somehting like this:
automatic lights > high quality locks/windows > alarm system > interior automatic lights or manually controlled from your bedroom > weapon of choice
the best plan is one that prevents them from even trying or deters them from trying. most breakins could have been stopped by merely locking all the doors and windows.
Agreed on the above.
I have a bunch of Vector security stickers up at the shop. I was considering putting some on windows and doors here even if its just for appearances. I figure the sticker alone may deter someone.
A pair of good, loyal Dogs works wonders also, We prefer the Bully breeds. After that the aforementioned is also good deterrent. Ammo to work with Your building construction is mandatory, many LE options to choose from out there, things that don't go through Your walls or the Neighbors. Other than that a good amount of training is priceless...
Quote from: KRJ on January 03, 2012, 08:47:45 PM
A pair of good, loyal Dogs works wonders also, We prefer the Bully breeds. After that the aforementioned is also good deterrent. Ammo to work with Your building construction is mandatory, many LE options to choose from out there, things that don't go through Your walls or the Neighbors. Other than that a good amount of training is priceless...
i think using dogs is situational, and most people don't want the family pet on the front line of defense. dogs frequently get poisoned or shot if it's a planned breakin.
dog should be a noisemaker only, and only after they have gotten beyond the door/window threshold.
Sorry if its a derby...but OUCH!! squib in the barrel seems to me
If you pull the trigger and it doesn't go "boom"...be safe....never assume
M1 Garand.AVI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn0KBzK2Kho&feature=player_embedded#)
Wow :o
I've only ever shot hand loads in my pistols. If anything at all seems out of the ordinary I pull the magazine, clear the chamber and make sure everything's is ok.
I only ever had a squib once but I caught it.
Quote from: Monsterlover on January 04, 2012, 04:38:07 AM
Wow :o
I've only ever shot hand loads in my pistols. If anything at all seems out of the ordinary I pull the magazine, clear the chamber and make sure everything's is ok.
I only ever had a squib once but I caught it.
It looks like she fired a dud... possibly it was an uncharged case and the primer was sufficient to start the bullet head deep enough into the barrel allowing her to cycle a fresh round behind it
That's often the case. I think that's what happened to me.
I weigh each charge on the balance scale individually before closing up a round...
tedious, but accurate since it adds a deliberate manual step to the final assembly sequence
and it also avoids powder bridging issues that can occur since I use extruded IMR's for the rifles
haven't had a surprise load yet in close to 40 years of loading...but never say never
Interesting the woman it happened to posted up on youtube that she had a 7th round stoppage and chambered a fresh round
seems to think it was an OOB which would indicate some severe deficiency in the safety bridge geometry
Quote from: RAT900 on January 04, 2012, 08:03:03 AM
Interesting the woman it happened to posted up on youtube that she had a 7th round stoppage and chambered a fresh round
seems to think it was an OOB which would indicate some severe deficiency in the safety bridge geometry
If you look at her stance, you can tell she doesn't know how to shoot properly. She is rocking back on her heels with each shot.
If I saw that at a range, I would just move down a ways. I just don't trust people who don't know basic stance, it tells me they haven't been taught correctly.
Quote from: RAT900 on January 04, 2012, 08:03:03 AM
Interesting the woman it happened to posted up on youtube that she had a 7th round stoppage and chambered a fresh round
seems to think it was an OOB which would indicate some severe deficiency in the safety bridge geometry
What's OOB?
Quote from: ducatiz on January 04, 2012, 08:06:47 AM
If you look at her stance, you can tell she doesn't know how to shoot properly. She is rocking back on her heels with each shot.
If I saw that at a range, I would just move down a ways. I just don't trust people who don't know basic stance, it tells me they haven't been taught correctly.
I noticed that too. It's like she's trying to keep her face as far away from the action as possible
out of battery
Quote from: Monsterlover on January 04, 2012, 09:08:39 AM
What's OOB?
I noticed that too. It's like she's trying to keep her face as far away from the action as possible
no, not just that. her upper body is back, she is bent the wrong way at the hips. your knees should be bent and your shoulders over your knees. putting your weight forward allows you to absorb the recoil without rocking.
Quote from: ducatiz on January 04, 2012, 09:28:25 AM
no, not just that. her upper body is back, she is bent the wrong way at the hips. your knees should be bent and your shoulders over your knees. putting your weight forward allows you to absorb the recoil without rocking.
That's what I was getting at.
Poor rifle.
OOB= out of battery
Quote from: Monsterlover on January 04, 2012, 09:44:06 AM
That's what I was getting at.
Poor rifle.
it's a garand. probably just bent the op rod. replace that and a new stock and it's probably good to go.
i'd worry more about her face and the 9,928 splinters that shot into it.
A 10 lb Garand is a big awkward rifle for a small woman who has obviously been thrown into the deep end of the pool without lessons. Gun fit is far more important for women and juniors than average or larger adult males, not just for performance, but for safety.
I'm trying to find the link for an excellent article on loading for the M1A and Garand. Feeding these two rifles is far more complex than loading for a bolt gun. A high primer, a case thats a bit long, fat or lumpy or a primer that is more sensitive than the milspec ones has some serious consequences. A lot of high performance powders for the 308 and '06 have a far too slow burning rate for these gas guns and can cause a lot of excessive wear and damage also.
Article was by Glen Zideker - if anyone is interested in it, PM me and I'll send you the PDF.
You are absolutely right about loading for gas driven autoloaders
Setting the shoulder on the cases, case OAL, Primer seating and hardness, and gas pressure
all play into making a reasonably safe hand-loaded round
not to mention functional safety bridge in the rifle and proper headspace
Got a lead on an DPMS panther AR-15 in a 223/556 configuration. It's relatively cheap, never shot and a friend's. I wanted a bigger bore but I've been reading about a 300 blackout mod by ACC. What do you "experienced" guys think? I'd be into this gun for $1k tops.
Quote from: muskrat on January 05, 2012, 09:14:46 PM
Got a lead on an DPMS panther AR-15 in a 223/556 configuration. It's relatively cheap, never shot and a friend's. I wanted a bigger bore but I've been reading about a 300 blackout mod by ACC. What do you "experienced" guys think? I'd be into this gun for $1k tops.
think about what? you can spend $700 on a DPMS panther AR or $2000. What's it got? Barrel type, length, upper type, glass, butt type, etc...
The nice thing about ARs is that you can swap uppers pretty quickly. All you need is a fingernail and an IQ over 80.
DPMS are decent ARs overall, but there are just so friggin many around that brand name means little for the vast majority of them. S&W makes an AR now (!).
As far as putting a 300aac upper on, you just have to buy it and the mags.
I googled randomly and found CMMG sells one for about $500
http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=300+aac+ar+upper&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=10829745950898859934&sa=X&ei=qoQGT6KTAcHl0QHv3oCZAg&ved=0CDsQ8wIwAg (http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=300+aac+ar+upper&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=10829745950898859934&sa=X&ei=qoQGT6KTAcHl0QHv3oCZAg&ved=0CDsQ8wIwAg)
there are others.
swapping a barreled upper on an AR is 1st grade level. You don't have to match brands, they are all identical inside, 100%.
I built both of my ARs from the ground up. AR receivers can be bought for as little as about $60 up to !!!!. you just make it with the parts you want/have.
But for me, I can't see the reason to pick up a non-standard AR unless the ammo is cheap. I bought a 5.45x39 upper when they came out because that ammo is dirt cheap and now I got a Tokarev upper for the same reason (and I bought 2 pallets of it for 8c/round). 300AAC is selling around $1.25 per round so unless you're loading your own, suck it up.
I used a remington 338 in the field, but i wouldn't bother with that round if i had to buy it. expensive as hell to shoot and i rarely need to touch anyone 1000 m away anymore.
16" chrome-moly with the M203 "cut out", A3 upper receiver.
I have considered ammo and the 300 conversion would be for pigs and big game, mostly pigs.
I have looked at so many my mind spins but the S & W felt cheap to me.
The 300 Blackout and its variants work real well for their intended purpose - subsonic suppressed work in an AR platform. Its not exceptionally powerful - somewhere around 7.62 x 39 Russian. The heavy bullet loads are real quiet when suppressed but really don't have any great power. I'd want something far more substantial for hogs and other game. It will work, but not nearly as well as other things.
If the 223 is loaded correctly with the right bullets, its amazingly effective on thin skinned game. The 75 grain Swift Scirocco bullets work very well on deer, etc as long as shot placement is good.
The Barnes bullets are an excellent choice also, if your gun shoots them well enough. Guns seem to either shoot them into a ragged hole or pattern like a shotgun with them.
If you want something more substantial on hogs and other game at reasonable ranges on an AR platform, I think the 450 Bushmaster has quite a bit going for it. A 250grain bullet at 2000 fps + will be far more decisive on game. Ammo cost is similar to the 300 Blackout, but its far more real world effective on meat.
I'm considering a 450 Bushmaster upper addition to my battery. My main hunting rifle in woods and ranges out to 250 or so is a Marlin 45-70. Big bullets at moderate velocity always work, especially if you are hunting in brush or hunting game that might bite back.
Quote from: ducatiz on January 05, 2012, 09:22:48 PM
As far as putting a 300aac upper on, you just have to buy it and the mags.
Regular AF mags will work just fine for the 300 Blackout round, as it's just a 5.56 that's been cut down, and then flared to accept the 7.62 bullet. All you really need is a barrel swap to go between calibers; bolt and all that jazz are the same.
she came home tonight.
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Sweet! [thumbsup] Get an Aimpoint or Trijicon Reflex II red dot. Either one will rock your world. Consider some extra mil spec mags too. I'm digging the new 60 round Surefire mags I got. They even offer 100 rnd mags. But I have Beta C-mags for that round count. Bring on the zombie nonsense!! [laugh]
my head is spinning........too many freaking options but if you buy lunch I'll show up with pen and paper.
Went to the local gun show on Saturday. There were some OK deals IMO - I was mainly looking at a glock 26s for carry - almost bought one, but decided it is too close to my 19.
Anyone with good IWB and OWB 19 holster advice? Right now I am leaning toward a comp tac Minotaur MTAC. I am a little paranoid about hiding it well on my body. I would start with a IWB, and then maybe buy a OWB down the road for winter jacket wear and or being out in the woods or on a farm.
mitt
I really like the Comp-Tac paddle holsters - I think I have about 6 of them. Easy on, easy off, secure, very very fast and they ride pretty close - not as concealable as some, but very easy to live with.
As far as IWB, I like the Blocker LFI rig. My Colt Defender rides in there real well and its pretty concealable depending on what you are wearing.
Quote from: muskrat on January 10, 2012, 07:24:20 PM
my head is spinning........too many freaking options but if you buy lunch I'll show up with pen and paper.
Before you go spend jillions of dollars on optics, spend some time seeing what you can do with the iron sights. Irons are very fast and with a bit of practice, very accurate and far more reliable than optics.
The ACOG is a wonderful scope and I like the Trijicon Reflex II with the triangle reticle pretty well. I just can't get excited about using sights that run on batteries for serious business though. They are fine for games and at the range, but I prefer something with less potential for failure for hunting or serious business.
Oh I'll be running a few hundred through before any scopes. I do love the red dot though. [evil]. The fun is just beginning.
I did look at these tonight at Cabelas though http://www.opticsplanet.com/reviews/reviews-truglo-open-red-dot-sight-red-green-illuminated-multi-reticle-matte-black-tg8360b.html (http://www.opticsplanet.com/reviews/reviews-truglo-open-red-dot-sight-red-green-illuminated-multi-reticle-matte-black-tg8360b.html)
http://www.opticsplanet.com/reviews/reviews-truglo-tru-tg8030dcr-red-dot-scope-30mm-irm-camo-black.html (http://www.opticsplanet.com/reviews/reviews-truglo-tru-tg8030dcr-red-dot-scope-30mm-irm-camo-black.html)
Quote from: mitt on January 10, 2012, 07:33:07 PM
Went to the local gun show on Saturday. There were some OK deals IMO - I was mainly looking at a glock 26s for carry - almost bought one, but decided it is too close to my 19.
Anyone with good IWB and OWB 19 holster advice? Right now I am leaning toward a comp tac Minotaur MTAC. I am a little paranoid about hiding it well on my body. I would start with a IWB, and then maybe buy a OWB down the road for winter jacket wear and or being out in the woods or on a farm.
mitt
I too am a huge fan of the 19 although I also have a 26. I am also a fan of Blade-Tech kydex holsters. But not IWB holsters, mine is a regular belt holster with a slight forward cant to it. I hide mine under a coat during this time of year.
Optics Planet are good people. I have bought several sights and scopes from them over the years. There website is jammed with goodies and is a good place to research your options.
Quote from: fastwin on January 11, 2012, 04:28:30 AM
Optics Planet are good people. I have bought several sights and scopes from them over the years. There website is jammed with goodies and is a good place to research your options.
I have swam in the optics planet website too - lots of ideas. I am hoping to support a local shop since it is nice to touch and try on holsters. One shop here carries the comp tac stuff, so I am leaning that way. So far I like there design over crossbreeds. I will check out the blade-techs.
mitt
That part of my post was pointed at muskrat's red dot/Optics Planet post but I guess it applies to your holster question too since they also handle carry gear and tact gear. [thumbsup]
Be aware that when you start buying carry holsters, you probably won't get it right the first try. Most people that do a lot of pistol carry end up with a big box full of holsters that just aren't quite right for them. Its a subtle deal finding the exact holster that works for you.
I am looking to purchase my first pistol but don't know where to start. I figure this is a good place to start and get some unfiltered opinions.
First off, I do have some experience with pistols and rifles. Mostly from shooting my friends' guns in the middle of nowhere and rentals at the range. I have never owned a gun but I want to get one for home protection. And it would be fun to have one to take out to the range. But with so many makes and models out there, choosing one is confusing, to say the least. As a person who likes to compare and over-analyze, I need some input on what to look for, pro/cons, features, etc. As of now, I am looking for a 9mm or a .40.
So for all your gun enthusiasts out there, what's your favorites and why?
So far this is what I've tried:
Glock 9mm Standard â€" simple; compact; from talking with the guy at the range, it's reliable and it just works. Hammerless? Feel weird not having a hammer. What do you do if you want to uncock it?
Beretta 9mm â€" it felt heavy in my hand, off balanced; big recoil. Didn't like it at all
Kimber 45 â€" my buddy had me tried it. Felt exceptionally balanced and recoil wasn't nearly as big as I had expected from a 45. The safety is actually on the handle grip so every you hold the gun, the safety is off… I don't know if I would feel comfortable with that.
Warren, have you been looking in my garage again? [laugh] How did you know I have a box (OK... boxes [bang]) of holsters? ;) I could start a Galco shoulder holster museum! ;D
But he is right. It's very rare you find, buy and keep the first holster you buy. Somebody always uses something more interesting and convinces you to buy one or a new one that seems better hits the market. I don't play golf (thank God!! [roll]) but I have lots of friends that do and they claim to have the same problem... make that disease. Golf game sucks = buy new clubs, balls, carry bag, etc...
Goat Herder,
Great question and good place to post. That's what this thread is about. [thumbsup]
I'll tell you my stuff then leave it to the rest. Home protection, right? So no carry. That helps. For the 1,000th time I will pitch the shotgun idea. But I won't bore you and everyone else with that... again! [laugh] You said pistol so I'll stick with that. You like the Glock. Go with that. Either caliber will do. I have had several .40S&W handguns but I am now down to just one. A Glock 23. I just wanted to shrink my ammo stash to .22lr, 9mm and .45acp for auto pistols. Wheelguns, rifles and scatterguns are a different story.
Just sold my #2 Glock 34 to my best friend's grown son and he is CRAZY over it!! Again, no carry for him. Just home defense. Some folks don't like Glocks. I like them. Pretty? No. Do they work, easy to use and easy to care for? Yes.
Let the hoopla begin! [laugh] But a Glock in any caliber would make a great first auto pistol. There is a damn good reason why so many law enforcement agencies went to them when the tidal wave of revolvers to autos change came many years ago.
Personally, I am a huge 1911 .45acp guy but I do like my Glocks. I will also use my pistols to fight my way to my 12 gauge shotgun... then the real fight will begin! ;)
Quote from: Goat_Herder on January 11, 2012, 12:03:45 PM
I am looking to purchase my first pistol but don't know where to start. I figure this is a good place to start and get some unfiltered opinions.
Buy a 22 revolver or a Ruger Standard (also 22) and learn to shoot with it. That's the best advice you'll ever get.
Quote from: fastwin on January 11, 2012, 12:05:08 PM
Warren, have you been looking in my garage again? [laugh] How did you know I have a box (OK... boxes [bang]) of holsters? ;) I could start a Galco shoulder holster museum! ;D
But he is right. It's very rare you find, buy and keep the first holster you buy. Somebody always uses something more interesting and convinces you to buy one or a new one that seems better hits the market. I don't play golf (thank God!! [roll]) but I have lots of friends that do and they claim to have the same problem... make that disease. Golf game sucks = buy new clubs, balls, carry bag, etc...
Anything for a beretta 92 FS you want to part with?.
They're supposed to fit CZ's
22 is fine but he said "home defense" therefore between his 9 & 40 preferences I'd say a 40 but it's pricey at the range compared to the 9.
Look at Bersa, Ruger, Taurus and Stoeger for reasonable prices. If u want something more expensive look for Khar, CZ and such. Khar has a nice 45 compact that feels like a full size, sounds weird but Cabelas carries one and I was surprised.
I get shit for my Bersa all the time until people shoot it.
It's a first gun. Foolish to start with the most complex device available.
For home defense, buy a side by side shotgun, esp if you have never owned a firearm.
Pistols are somewhat complex pieces of machinery compared to a "Coach gun"
I have an old coach gun in 12 ga and it's the only "home defense" gun I've ever fired inside my home.
I fired it once. That's all that was needed. I think they got 1-2 pellets of bird shot in their ass or legs. They didn't come back.
He did mention he's fired a variety of guns before so while it may be the 1st he's owned he's not a gun noob.
The Glocks are always a great simple gun. Can't go wrong with one IMO
I have seen a lot of studs at the range that can't even hit the paper shooting .40's. IMO, 9mm is a great choice for accuracy and price. Also IMO, Glocks are accurate, inexpensive, and so simple, lots of accessories, made in Austria, etc., you can't go wrong.
I agree with duactiz though, I started with a medium frame .22 revolver, then moved to a .38/.357 in the same frame, then a walther p22 semi auto, and then a defense gun, glock 19. You can learn all the important stuff with a .22, and not feel bad for shooting 500 rounds in one setting.
mitt
Without some training, a pistol is a crappy home defense weapon. Even with training, I would still regard it as a "last resort" weapon. It's very hard to be accurate with a short barreled firearm while under stress. Try it sometime: drink -7 espressos, wait 30 minutes and then try to be accurate with your handgun at 7-10 feet. 80% of your shots will miss unless you practice in that state.
if you're using a handgun past 7-10 ft, then forget it esp if you're freaked up on adrenalin which most people if they are having their home broken into/invaded.
a shotgun is easier to operate, easier to secure and more forgiving. and they are much bigger which has a psychological advantage for the shooter and against the criminal.
I've actually shot people and I will choose a shotgun any day over a pistol for home defense.
Range is a different matter of course.
thanks guys. Perhaps I am being too modest and didn't give myself enough credit in the "experience" department. I do have experience with guns and been around guns all my life. I am fairly comfortable around them. However, I have never owned a handgun. Never had the responsibility of maintaining it and keeping it.
A 22 is fun to play around and the ammos are cheap. I am looking for something a bigger but don't know where to start. I guess from what you'd suggested, a Glock is a good start point - cheap, reliable. It's the Kia for a new driver?
WIth Bersa, Ruger, Taurus and Stoeger, what and how are they different from each other. What would make you choose one over another? Is it simply look and feel? Or does the "brand" play a part in that (Ford vs. Chevy type of thing)?
Quote from: Goat_Herder on January 11, 2012, 02:35:39 PM
thanks guys. Perhaps I am being too modest and didn't give myself enough credit in the "experience" department. I do have experience with guns and been around guns all my life. I am fairly comfortable around them. However, I have never owned a handgun. Never had the responsibility of maintaining it and keeping it.
A 22 is fun to play around and the ammos are cheap. I am looking for something a bigger but don't know where to start. I guess from what you'd suggested, a Glock is a good start point - cheap, reliable. It's the Kia for a new driver?
WIth Bersa, Ruger, Taurus and Stoeger, what and how are they different from each other. What would make you choose one over another? Is it simply look and feel? Or does the "brand" play a part in that (Ford vs. Chevy type of thing)?
Well there you go.
I like Taurus revolvers a lot. I have not liked their autoloaders as much. They always seem to have a "crunchy" trigger.
Bersa are decent and will go bang with every pull. They are not beauty queens. They are functional guns with better than average designs. The Thunder Pro models are very well done for the price.
Ruger autoloaders are very good. They have a great track record for reliability but not for looks. THey are functional guns. Massad Ayoob is a fan of the "9mm brick". They have some new offerings which are going over well, the SR series.
Stoeger is just an importer name, they don't make any of their own guns. Some of their shotguns are made by Rossi of Brazil and are very good quality. The Stoeger Cougar is the Beretta Cougar made under license.
I still think a shotgun is a better choice for your home defense plans though. Handgun is to get you to a long gun.
Another alternative would be to buy a Glock and the appropriate 22 conversion kit. Or the CZ-75 and the Kadet kit... Either one would be hard to beat.
Quote from: WarrenJ on January 11, 2012, 06:26:58 PM
Another alternative would be to buy a Glock and the appropriate 22 conversion kit. Or the CZ-75 and the Kadet kit... Either one would be hard to beat.
That's a good suggestion if you like the Glock. I am a big CZ fan and that didn't even occur to me. Of course, a cheaper gun means you can buy a separate 22 for almost the same budget....
Quote from: ducatiz on January 11, 2012, 02:01:55 PM
a shotgun is easier to operate, easier to secure and more forgiving. and they are much bigger which has a psychological advantage for the shooter and against the criminal.
I've actually shot people and I will choose a shotgun any day over a pistol for home defense.
Had my home defense 12ga at the range today...had a little BHO issue, but I think I got it corrected with some safety wire:
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h286/CPrezioso/saiga-1.jpg)
Need to get a light, rail, and foregrip eventually, just still chewing on the CMMG .22.
You could go with the Judge or Governor. [thumbsup]
Quote from: stateprez on January 11, 2012, 07:26:06 PM
Had my home defense 12ga at the range today...had a little BHO issue, but I think I got it corrected with some safety wire:
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h286/CPrezioso/saiga-1.jpg)
Need to get a light, rail, and foregrip eventually, just still chewing on the CMMG .22.
Is that a Tony Rumore build?
He cut a bunch of AK 5.56 mags for my Valmet but he won't do it anymore.. dammit..
No, did it myself. Although I'd love to get Tony to hack the barrel when I get my trust done. Pretty sure he's not taking on anymore builds until June though.
Ace folder, Tapco trigger, Promag 10 round. Would love a Chaos Titan rail with full upper, HK iron sights....have been backordered for a while:
(http://www.chaosus.com/PDGImages/TITAN_QUAD_RAIL.jpg)
i.e.
(http://www.tromix.com/images/S178inchLrg3w.jpg)
StatePrez, who are you using for your trust? I got a quote for $550 and nearly fell out of my chair.
Quote from: ducatiz on January 11, 2012, 08:42:13 PM
i.e.
(http://www.tromix.com/images/S178inchLrg3w.jpg)
Yup.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_7tKAG3h7w&feature=related
Quote from: muskrat on January 11, 2012, 09:09:42 PM
StatePrez, who are you using for your trust? I got a quote for $550 and nearly fell out of my chair.
A local guy that sells NFA has been helping me out with where to get templates that work, etc. Since it can be considered unlicensed practice, I'm kind of on my own putting it together. I've had a couple of lawyer buddies look it over and they don't see any problems.
The AR guy at my local shop used Quicken Willmaker for his- has had 2 SBR's and a suppressor ATF approved with it.
My CLO won't sign, so it's the only way.
Quicken willmaker huh....
Quote from: Goat_Herder on January 11, 2012, 02:35:39 PMWIth Bersa, Ruger, Taurus and Stoeger, what and how are they different from each other. What would make you choose one over another? Is it simply look and feel? Or does the "brand" play a part in that (Ford vs. Chevy type of thing)?
Goat_Herder, I'm kinda in the same boat as you... I'm shopping for my second handgun (sold the first one almost eight years ago), but I'm focusing on a concealled carry weapon instead of a stay-at-home weapon. I've been at it for a couple months now... this thread, browsing boards, talking to salesmen at local stores, talking to LEOs, etc...
The best advice I've received so far was "go shoot some guns." Either rental at the range or from buddies that own something you're interested it - you should really try to fire the weapon you are considering, or something very similar. All of the things you mentioned above - manufacturer, features, etc.. come together to result in unique machines with different upside and downside. Actually firing a couple was key to me narrowing the field.
One of the few guns that I have tried that actually make the cut for easy, truly concealed carry, that is still accurate and reliable, is the Kahr PM-9. Its slim, light, easy to use and accurate. Shooting small light handguns well takes a bit more dedication in purposeful practice but the Kahr still has the intrinsic accuracy once you master it as opposed to some other entries in the field. At 7 yards, standing unsupported, I can keep all my shots in about 2" if I do my job - a lot of sub compacts won't do that.
I had the 45 ACP Kahr and it did not shoot well. It would put 3 real close and then throw one out about 8" - not acceptable accuracy IMHO. I was very disappointed that it did not work - I liked every other thing about it.
Quote from: muskrat on January 11, 2012, 10:13:49 PM
Quicken willmaker huh....
It works. I went the LLC route. Come over sometime and we will discuss.
will do [thumbsup]
Goat Herder, pay attention to ducatiz' comments about shotguns. ;) And he's right about stress fire issues... scattergun, pistol, AR platform, etc. Get a Glock (and a shotgun [thumbsup]) for home defense then take all the training classes you can throw money at. I have posted many times about the scary shit I see at CHL renewal classes when it comes to qualifying on the range. If you can't shoot a decent score at 5, 7 and 15 yards in an indoor range under calm, restricted conditions then what the hell are they going to do in a dark parking lot walking to their car or inside their house at 3:00AM when they wake up to breaking glass?
I don't care if you buy a $300 aluminum baseball bat. Practice, train, practice, train then repeat some more. If your good at something great... practice what you are not good at. Weak hand, wounded shooter drills might some day save your life. Put night sights on everything... including the bat! [laugh] Learn how to low light/no light shoot with a Surefire flashlight. Weapons mounted lights are great. Until you go to Thunder Ranch and Clint Smith makes you disable them and work with handheld illumination.
Shit doesn't normally hit the fan on a sunny Saturday afternoon when you are watching football on TV. How you can perform at 3:00AM when you wake up from a dead sleep, tired, groggy and maybe even a little hung over is what counts. Bone up on anything Massad Ayoob has ever written or said about stress fire. Google him. If you ever get the chance to take a course from Louis Awerbuck go to it. Sell the house, the car, the honey badger... whatever it takes. He is awesome. Just like Ayoob and Clint Smith. Take courses from them all. It's worth it. [thumbsup]
http://www.yfainc.com/ (http://www.yfainc.com/)
ABSOLUTELY!!!!!!! There is no substitute for top notch instruction and frequent practice with a purpose. At least for myself, handgun competence is a perishable skill. I need to shoot once a week at least to keep at a good level of competence. Just going and shooting does not really help that much. Ayoob referrs to it as ballistic masturbation. You need to practice with a purpose - figure out what you are going to work on and measure your performance. Keep a shooting log and track your performance. Set goals and achieve them. Pick up a shooting timer and quantify your ability. Shoot with something on the line. Add stress. Shoot IPSC or IDPA where you have the stress of having to perform. Its not the same stress as an actual situation but it helps.
Great feedback, guys! Yes, I would agree that nothing beats a shotgun in home defense. The mere sound of cocking the gun would strike fear in anybody. [laugh] A 9mm would be a good ballance between having protection, fun at the range, and compact in size (relatively to a rifle/shotgun) that the Wife would not be freakin' out about.
@dropstharockalot: I have shot a few at the local range and am planning on trying out a few more, based on availability and recommendation from the guy behind the counter. I think it's just like motorcycles - they may appear similar on paper, but you won't know what it feels like when you actually try them out and get a feel for it.
@fastwin: very good point. Having some training would be benefitial. I am a pretty good shot and have a pretty tight grouping at 10-15 yrds. But that's under calm and controlled environment. I will look into some additional gun training (world is ending in 11 months so that might come in handy [laugh]).
I also will take a safety class. Learn things the proper way and get in good habits. As for conceal weapon permit for carrying... Is that necessary? the gun shop guy recommended getting one, just to have it. It would come in handy later? Thoughts?
Good stuff Goat Herder! [thumbsup] I don't care who you are or how good you are (or think you are) professional training and purposeful practice helps everyone! No offense at all but you may indeed be a good shot but you might have some bad habits that could potentially get you in trouble. A good instructor can spot those areas and clean up your act. Immediate action drills are very important to learn and practice. As long as you learn and practice the proper technique. Tactical magazine changes, clearing stove pipe jams, double feed jams, etc... in the dark. [evil] Correct, safe and legal use of a firearm for home defense is more complicated than most people think.
Also, a good instructor will teach you how to plan out a defense strategy for your home or work place. Similar to a safety plan in case of fire. Where does everyone go? Do they stay in their rooms or go to a central safe zone? Do you live in a stand alone house or an apartment with neighbors on the other side of that 1/2" sheet rock wall? You have to consider over penetration as a safety issue. The list goes on forever. Have a pro help through all of it. Being a good shot is just tip of the iceberg.
Sorry for the novel length post. Not trying to sound like Mr. Know It All here. But it's just a lot to consider and think about and way too many people think just buying a gun and some ammo and watching Top Shot on TV makes them good to go. If you are going to do it then do it right. [thumbsup] [beer]
OK, you're right. Never sell the dog. [thumbsup] ;) But you have to agree from a pro's point of view that proper training from a good instructor helps everyone... even the dog! [laugh] I went back and took selling the dog out! [laugh]
Quote from: fastwin on January 12, 2012, 03:24:41 PM
proper training from a good instructor helps everyone...
Word!
Just don't sell the dog.
Yeah, I changed it to honey badger. [laugh]
Quote from: Goat_Herder on January 12, 2012, 10:54:09 AM@dropstharockalot: I have shot a few at the local range and am planning on trying out a few more, based on availability and recommendation from the guy behind the counter. I think it's just like motorcycles - they may appear similar on paper, but you won't know what it feels like when you actually try them out and get a feel for it.
Exactly. I was able to rule out a couple more today... they looked like they fit the bill sitting there in the cabinet, but when I fired them I had a much better idea of whether I'd have a prayer of operating it under pressure.
A 9mm I saw recently impressed me a bit. It was a Zastava EZ9 - basically a Sig 226 clone with a light rail. EAA was importing them but has discontinued them in their line. They are still being manufactured by Zastava in Serbia and they are looking for a new importer. The gun is like a Sig made in a tractor factory. It is very solid and well built, a little bulky but at one dealer I was at, they were selling for $339 new in the box. I thought it was a darn good value for a heavy duty 9mm. It wouldn't be ideal for concealed carry, but for a house gun or fun gun it looked pretty good. The reviews seem pretty positive on them also.
I haven't heard of those. I'll have to keep an eye out for one. Not that I need one but looking at guns is still free and always interesting.
Quote from: WarrenJ on January 12, 2012, 08:33:54 PM
A 9mm I saw recently impressed me a bit. It was a Zastava EZ9 - basically a Sig 226 clone with a light rail. EAA was importing them but has discontinued them in their line. They are still being manufactured by Zastava in Serbia and they are looking for a new importer. The gun is like a Sig made in a tractor factory. It is very solid and well built, a little bulky but at one dealer I was at, they were selling for $339 new in the box. I thought it was a darn good value for a heavy duty 9mm. It wouldn't be ideal for concealed carry, but for a house gun or fun gun it looked pretty good. The reviews seem pretty positive on them also.
Yugo/Serbian guns are all like that. They made that M76 rifle that I want so badly (and I have a buttload of 8mm in cans...).. they make a lot of CZ clones under license. it would be great if they got an importer.
years ago Sarco had a Zastava "Manda" which was a 50 BMG "sniper" rifle.. it was basically a piece of polished sewer pipe and a pistol grip.
I had an importer license for a while - what a PITA!
Quote from: WarrenJ on January 13, 2012, 11:11:45 AM
I had an importer license for a while - what a PITA!
Regular firearms or anything more interesting?
I'd love to do that, but to make it work you have to really be in the business rather than a side deal.
I set up a deal with Kynoch in England to import their brass cases for the antique Blackpowder cartridges like the 577-450 Martini Henry and the 577 Snider. The permit I had to get would have allowed me to import anything up to attack helicopters and non-nuclear submarines.
I got one order in, sold them all right away, was putting together the second order when a US company said they were going to be producing that brass and all my orders were cancelled overnight.
Another one of life's little learning experiences.
Quote from: WarrenJ on January 13, 2012, 05:28:26 PM
I set up a deal with Kynoch in England to import their brass cases for the antique Blackpowder cartridges like the 577-450 Martini Henry and the 577 Snider. The permit I had to get would have allowed me to import anything up to attack helicopters and non-nuclear submarines.
I got one order in, sold them all right away, was putting together the second order when a US company said they were going to be producing that brass and all my orders were cancelled overnight.
Another one of life's little learning experiences.
Well, that was a tiny niche product you know.
There are plenty of funky little gun companies overseas that would love to sell in the US. Turkey and Italy have dozens of companies that don't have official reps here. Sphinx in Switzerland still doesn't.... Korth of Germany... Breda is represented by the Beretta importer but they don't bring any good stuff here.
Thanks all for your suggestions on what to look for in my first handgun (9mm). I did some more research on Friday, with the aid of a friend. I narrowed my list down to 4 guns, due to review and price point (I was forced to throw in an odd one) and we went out to the range on Saturday. Between the 2 of us, we went thru 300 rounds. Needless to say, fun was had by all.
1. first up was the Glock 19. Since everyone suggested Glock as a first gun, I picked it to be the benchmark that all others will be compared to. It's light in my hand (too light, in fact) and felt really "blocky". The trigger is a bit weird... I would pull half way and feel some resistance. Had to squeeze a bit to fire. That had me anticipate the recoil and threw off my aim a bit. I was not as accurate as I liked. Recoil was a bit harsh... oh and the magazine is plastic, too? It's as if I am holding a bb gun.
2. Switched to a FNP-9. It has a polymer main part with a metal slider. It feels good in my hand but feel top heavy. A bit awkward. I really want to like this guy but the trigger pull and the way it's balanced in my hand had all the shots off target, on the low side. Grouping is tighter than the Glock but I am consistently shot low. A bit disappointing.
3. Sig P250 was supposed to be next (for price reason) but was veto'ed for a P229. My buddy didn't like the P250 for some reason. Plus P229 is the gun Jason Bourne uses so it must be good??? Anyway, the gun feels great in my hand and fires well. I think I like the extra weight of an all-steel gun. With a little more mass in my hand, my aim is more steady and less muzzel lift. Cool extra feature like the lever to uncock the hammer. Very good grouping with my shots.
4. CZ75b is the last one up, due to the suggestion from this board. My buddy didn't know too much about it but we chose it over the HK for the price. What the heck, it wouldn't hurt to try. It's the heaviest of all the gun we tried - all steel + full size. I really like how it feels in my hand. I don't know what's with this gun, I am deadly accruate with it. at 30 feet, 10 shots are within the size of a credit card. My buddy also had better results with it. I would contribute some to its easy trigger pull. Perhaps being the longest of all the guns...
In the end, the dark horse came in to surprise us. I think I am liking the CZ75 more and more as I continue to read reviews on various guns. What are your thoughts? Are my feedback in line with your experience?
One more point - toward the end, I hypothesized that my shooting improvements might be the result of more practice, and not of the guns. So to test it, we went and got a few more guns to try out. This time, 45's. We again got the Glock as the benchmark - G37. I did not enjoy that gun one little bit. I was all over the place and actually stopped half way thru the magazine. Surprised at how differently one need to get used to a particular gun. We switched to a Kimber 45 and that was like HEAVEN.
You won't be disappointed with the CZ
Yeah, you won't be unhappy with it.
Your accuracy may have been partly the weight -- it absorbs more recoil.
I have two CZ guns, an 85 and a 97 and I keep coming back to them too. Nate is right, you won't be unhappy with it.
I was going to say it's a well worn design, but now that I think about it the Glock is getting long in the tooth too now.
well, considering your price range you might consider the Beretta series 92FS. I also love my PX4 series. Go test them out, the balance and trigger pull is nice IMO.
Quote from: Goat_Herder on January 15, 2012, 12:35:00 AM
3. Sig P250 was supposed to be next (for price reason) but was veto'ed for a P229. My buddy didn't like the P250 for some reason.
The trigger takes some getting used to, but it is a fantastic pistol. I carry mine daily in a TT Gunleather IWB holster. The pistol was flawless in two Defensive Pistol classes at Tac Pro, and through 5k rounds while going through the police academy. I'm on my second barrel for it, and probably 25k rounds through it.
Soooo...
what makes this...http://www.berettausa.com/products/imperial-montecarlo/ (http://www.berettausa.com/products/imperial-montecarlo/)
worth that kind of cake?
SIGs and CZs are great pistols. So is the Glock but the trigger does take some time to master and feel comfortable. I have seen some amazingly accurate shooting with Glocks of all calibers. Don't worry about their plastic magazines. They seem to have a pretty good track record. ;)
Of course the Kimber is too die for. You can't really compare a good single action 1911 trigger with a long double action pull. Apples and oranges. Though my CZ75s can go cocked and locked like a 1911 or hammer down double action first shot. Which is nice. [popcorn]
If you go with Glock, make sure you get "drop free" magazines.
Pmags are plastic. Just sayin...
Quote from: fastwin on January 15, 2012, 08:03:36 AM
SIGs and CZs are great pistols. So is the Glock but the trigger does take some time to master and feel comfortable. I have seen some amazingly accurate shooting with Glocks of all calibers. Don't worry about their plastic magazines. They seem to have a pretty good track record. ;)
Of course the Kimber is too die for. You can't really compare a good single action 1911 trigger with a long double action pull. Apples and oranges. Though my CZ75s can go cocked and locked like a 1911 or hammer down double action first shot. Which is nice. [popcorn]
Kimber may have so QA issues
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/02/07/2039969/costly-ale-guns-fail-get-traded.html#ixzz1DIlLplMb (http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/02/07/2039969/costly-ale-guns-fail-get-traded.html#ixzz1DIlLplMb)
Quote from: ducpainter on January 15, 2012, 07:59:55 AM
Soooo...
what makes this...http://www.berettausa.com/products/imperial-montecarlo/ (http://www.berettausa.com/products/imperial-montecarlo/)
worth that kind of cake?
The intaglio on the receiver is done by Sicilian virgins. With their underwear.
Quote from: ducatiz on January 15, 2012, 12:33:37 PM
Kimber may have so QA issues
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/02/07/2039969/costly-ale-guns-fail-get-traded.html#ixzz1DIlLplMb (http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/02/07/2039969/costly-ale-guns-fail-get-traded.html#ixzz1DIlLplMb)
No such troubles with any of my Kimbers. I'm thinking the engraved grips made them jam. ;D Wonder if it was the recoil spring they swapped out?
make the beast with two backsing PX4 doesn't like Blazers but she loves Winchester.
Quote from: muskrat on January 15, 2012, 04:06:13 PM
make the beast with two backsing PX4 doesn't like Blazers but she loves Winchester.
aluminum case?
Passed up a EAA Witness Carry yesterday at the show... the steel framed model with the rubber grips, great shape. The stopper was that it was in 10mm. I'm holding it, and thinking "Bang... three dollars. Bang... three dollars. Bang... three dollars..."
Soooo, still looking for that first CCW.
Does anyone have any FHE with the Walther PK380? Handling a couple yesterday led me to think that it would make a viable EDC, but I have heard mixed reviews about the .380 cartridge. Not the whole "stopping power vs. capacity debate," but stuff along the lines of .380 semi autos just being inherently pre-disposed to ejection problems... something about the lightness of the load vs. the weight of the slide... has anyone heard anything to that effect?
Damn 3 bucks a round?
Quote from: dropstharockalot on January 15, 2012, 08:21:47 PM
Passed up a EAA Witness Carry yesterday at the show... the steel framed model with the rubber grips, great shape. The stopper was that it was in 10mm. I'm holding it, and thinking "Bang... three dollars. Bang... three dollars. Bang... three dollars..."
Soooo, still looking for that first CCW.
Does anyone have any FHE with the Walther PK380? Handling a couple yesterday led me to think that it would make a viable EDC, but I have heard mixed reviews about the .380 cartridge. Not the whole "stopping power vs. capacity debate," but stuff along the lines of .380 semi autos just being inherently pre-disposed to ejection problems... something about the lightness of the load vs. the weight of the slide... has anyone heard anything to that effect?
A buddy keeps an LCP in his pocket and it works fine. I haven't heard about any inherent issues.
Quote from: ducpainter on January 16, 2012, 04:38:59 AM
A buddy keeps an LCP in his pocket and it works fine. I haven't heard about any inherent issues.
Plenty of carry options in .380 as of late. The LCP is a copy of the KelTec 3AT, and a much nicer execution in some ways. Not much to go wrong on those guns and plenty of people have them.
You won't find any deals on the LCP because they sell as many as they make. The KelTec has been around for a lot longer and sells for much cheaper. Both do the same thing (click bang) and are good for short range social work.
I have been looking lustily at the LC9 lately. I like the idea of a mini9 that I can get my hands around. The Kahr PM9 would be great if it was a little bigger, it's just TOO small for me.
Ruger hit a homerun with those LC models though.
another buddy is pocket carrying the LC9.
A friend of mine carries a KelTec P-11 as his "pocket gun" when circumstances won't allow a larger-framed weapon (like, tucked shirt events). It's pretty much invisible when inside an in-the-pocket holster, so it's perfect in that regard. However, when he let me fire it, the light weight and tiny grip made it feel like it was trying to escape my hand with every shot.
My experiences shooting this thing ruled it out of my current CCW search pretty early. Maybe if I reach a point where I'm working with different weapons for different situations, I'd consider adding this to the stable. Since I'm just starting out and I'll be only working with one weapon for a while, well... I mean, c'mon, I've gotta have something that's at least a little fun at the range...
I found the same thing with the LCP.
Lot's of recoil and not much fun to shoot.
Quote from: ducpainter on January 16, 2012, 07:36:27 AM
I found the same thing with the LCP.
Lot's of recoil and not much fun to shoot.
It's a concealed carry piece, not a range piece.
It won't be much fun to shoot ANYTHING when you're pulling it on another human being.
Quote from: ducatiz on January 16, 2012, 07:43:52 AM
It's a concealed carry piece, not a range piece.
It won't be much fun to shoot ANYTHING when you're pulling it on another human being.
agreed.
The size and weight made it difficult to shoot...better?
I have an LCP and Kel-Tec .380. Both are great for what they are. Small carry guns... that's it. Both have functioned 100%, never a bobble out of either one. I even have one of the early .32acp Kel-Tecs, still have it but "replaced it" when the .380 version came out. I'll grab either .380 in a pinch. [thumbsup]
I have a stainless Walther PPK that makes a great paperweight. [bang] Hold it with a decent grip and the slide will chew up the web of your hand. It's buried in dust somewhere in my safe. [roll]
I mentioned this a few pages ago but it's worth repeating. This time of year (coat weather) I am fond of my slicked up S&W model 642 .38spl for carry duty. Nothing wrong with a hot .38spl round and I like the fact that it can be fired from inside a coat pocket without snagging/hanging up if you absolutely have to. Granted, not a perfect/preferred scenario but it does work. I've tried it several times wearing an old beat up winter coat that was headed for Goodwill. Somebody somewhere is wondering what happened to the pocket of their charity jacket. [laugh]
Quote from: ducpainter on January 16, 2012, 07:48:20 AM
agreed.
The size and weight made it difficult to shoot...better?
as long as you can hit a man-sized target at 7-10 feet two or three times without much problem, i doubt anyone will care that their hand hurts. i think that's the tradeoff for the portability and ability to conceal.
i fire my KelTec once a year -- I run a box of rounds thru it and waste the corbons that are in the magazine. I don't like firing it at ALL, but it's my go-anywhere pistol (well, except court, I have to check it)
Same-same for me and my Kel-Tec and LCP. Maybe once or twice a year I'll run a box or two of ball and the two magazines of Corbons I carry through it. Always good to reacquaint myself with it's point of aim at 5-10 yards. Spend the ball re-learning it's aim vs hit point and then make sure it's running 100% on the carry ammo once I'm dialed in.
The KelTec is far more expensive than an LCP. I looked at many and for a conceal the LCP is perfect price IMO. The 40 that rides in my truck and bike will be enough if I anticipate anything. [evil]
Quote from: ducatiz on January 15, 2012, 12:34:33 PM
The intaglio on the receiver is done by Sicilian virgins. With their underwear.
Only the unicorn is a more mythical creature than the Sicilian virgin.
Quote from: ducatiz on January 15, 2012, 12:33:37 PM
Kimber may have so QA issues
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/02/07/2039969/costly-ale-guns-fail-get-traded.html#ixzz1DIlLplMb (http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/02/07/2039969/costly-ale-guns-fail-get-traded.html#ixzz1DIlLplMb)
The Raleigh ALE officer I had the displeasure of meeting had a nickel USP Compact 45- thought I'd get some leniency being a USP owner...not.
I had a Kimber Ultra Tactical II that I loved. Sold it and bought a 3AT- not really a replacement but much easier to conceal and much less fun to shoot.
Quote from: sugarcrook on January 16, 2012, 04:04:10 PM
Only the unicorn is a more mythical creature than the Sicilian virgin.
Still...
not worth that kind of money. ;D
Quote from: muskrat on January 16, 2012, 02:46:47 PM
The KelTec is far more expensive than an LCP. I looked at many and for a conceal the LCP is perfect price IMO. The 40 that rides in my truck and bike will be enough if I anticipate anything. [evil]
MSRP on the Keltec P3AT is $325, and street price is about $250. The Ruger LCP MSRP is $380 and street price is about $325.
I see new Keltecs for under $250
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=269085077 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=269085077)
They are cheaper. The Rugers are selling for much more.
That being said I think the Rugers are nicer. I believe they have a slide stop which was deleted on the P3AT, and the Ruger's finish is clearly nicer.
** prices corrected, I just checked on galleryofguns.com for the MSRPs
There's a 150 dollar difference in these parts. I just cruised 2000 tables at the show Saturday too
Well, I finally gave in and ordered an open gun from Bobby Keigans at Freedom Gunworks. Going to be a full size (5.4") KKM bull barrel, STI frame and slide, Dawson DP2 comp, and sideways C-More mount. I'll post up pics when it is finished...this is going to be the longest 3 months ever [drool]
So I've decided to jump into the world of gun ownership. I've shot plenty throughout my life. Handguns, rifles, tactical but never owned one.
I really only want to buy one gun and get good at shooting it and try not to get addicted to them. So after looking around and doing some research I've decided on a lever action in a pistol size like .357-.38 or .457- .44. I know it's not "the best" for home defense but can do the trick if needed (I have plenty of other weapons for that anyways), is fun to shoot, and in case something really does happen (say a Katrina situation or worse) I'll have a gun that is easy to use, relieable and takes the same bullet as handguns.
I'm looking at Marlin 1894's in .44 right now but am open to suggestions. Anyone have any thoughts on buying a lever action or any thoughts on other types of guns that will give me the same use?
Quote from: muskrat on January 16, 2012, 07:07:51 PM
There's a 150 dollar difference in these parts. I just cruised 2000 tables at the show Saturday too
you're saying you saw the Keltec P3AT for $150 more than the Ruger LCP???
Quote from: metallimonster on January 17, 2012, 05:49:30 AM
So I've decided to jump into the world of gun ownership. I've shot plenty throughout my life. Handguns, rifles, tactical but never owned one.
I really only want to buy one gun and get good at shooting it and try not to get addicted to them. So after looking around and doing some research I've decided on a lever action in a pistol size like .357-.38 or .457- .44. I know it's not "the best" for home defense but can do the trick if needed (I have plenty of other weapons for that anyways), is fun to shoot, and in case something really does happen (say a Katrina situation or worse) I'll have a gun that is easy to use, relieable and takes the same bullet as handguns.
I'm looking at Marlin 1894's in .44 right now but am open to suggestions. Anyone have any thoughts on buying a lever action or any thoughts on other types of guns that will give me the same use?
That's actually a good choice if you really must share calibers. I would get the .357 version if it were me, shooting the 44 mag is a bear for most people. A 357 pistol has more than enough oomph to get you thru the night.
Sharing calibers is not really important. I just wanted something that is fun to shoot, relatively cheap to shoot, and can be used in emergency/survival situations.
I'll take your advice on the 38 I think I'll probably try both and see wht I'm like. I've shot a .44 revolver and it wasn't so bad. I watched a few videos on youtube and thought the rifle length really makes shooting the .44 not so bad but please correct me if I'm wrong. I'm trying to do this the right way so I only have to buy one gun.
Any suggestions on where to find a good used gun? What auction sites have you guys used?
Quote from: metallimonster on January 17, 2012, 06:41:54 AM
Sharing calibers is not really important. I just wanted something that is fun to shoot, relatively cheap to shoot, and can be used in emergency/survival situations.
I'll take your advice on the 38 I think I'll probably try both and see wht I'm like. I've shot a .44 revolver and it wasn't so bad. I watched a few videos on youtube and thought the rifle length really makes shooting the .44 not so bad but please correct me if I'm wrong. I'm trying to do this the right way so I only have to buy one gun.
Any suggestions on where to find a good used gun? What auction sites have you guys used?
44 in a lever rifle is fine for me, but i don't enjoy shooting a 44 revolver. that's just me, and i'm not a small guy.
gunbroker.com. poke around on it and search a lot. don't buy the first deal you see, because a better one will come along tomorrow.
so that is exactly what I'm thinking. I don't ever plan on using a revolver but the option would be there if TSHTF.
I'm sure I'll fall in love with guns just like I do with everything else and get a nice 9mm handgun too. ;D
I'm not in a hurry so it looks like I'll be watching gunbroker.com a lot in the next months until I find the one I want.
How successful could I be by just going and checking out pawn shops?
you never know what you can find in a pawn shop, and you might just get a deal.
Do your research on gunbroker to determine values.
Quote from: ducpainter on January 16, 2012, 06:50:16 PM
Still...
not worth that kind of money. ;D
Unless you need to tell everyone you know "Look, I own a $130K shotgun!"
Then it's worth every penny.
Quote from: triangleforge on January 17, 2012, 08:00:57 AM
Unless you need to tell everyone you know "Look, I own a $130K shotgun!"
Then it's worth every penny.
I suppose they sell really well on Long Island's north shore. ;D
Quote from: metallimonster on January 17, 2012, 06:57:18 AM
so that is exactly what I'm thinking. I don't ever plan on using a revolver but the option would be there if TSHTF.
I'm sure I'll fall in love with guns just like I do with everything else and get a nice 9mm handgun too. ;D
I'm not in a hurry so it looks like I'll be watching gunbroker.com a lot in the next months until I find the one I want.
How successful could I be by just going and checking out pawn shops?
pawn shops are hit and miss. i have never seen a very nice gun in a pawn shop in the last few years though -- the owners will keep them for themselves. it makes a difference where you are though. if you're in Arizona, you'll probably see a much better selection.
for a SHTF gun, you wants something in a commonly issued caliber.. that means 12ga, 9mm,40sw,5.56 or 7.62nato. other calibers less so, but those are the ones most issued by LE and the militaries of the world.
I like revolver caliber lever actions. I'm blessed with some Winchester 94s in .22lr, .22mag, .357mag (obviously it will handle .38spl too [thumbsup]), .45LC and one .30-.30 that belonged to my Dad... yeah, I know it's not a revolver round.
Marlins are great rifles. Too bad they stopped making the Win 94 line. All that did was jack up the prices to the crazy level. Look for a Marlin in .357mag. Great kick ass self defense round and you can plink with cheaper .38spl ball ammo to your heart's content. [popcorn]
Quote from: fastwin on January 17, 2012, 08:17:16 AM
I like revolver caliber lever actions. I'm blessed with some Winchester 94s in .22lr, .22mag, .357mag (obviously it will handle .38spl too [thumbsup]), .45LC and one .30-.30 that belonged to my Dad... yeah, I know it's not a revolver round.
Marlins are great rifles. Too bad they stopped making the Win 94 line. All that did was jack up the prices to the crazy level. Look for a Marlin in .357mag. Great kick ass self defense round and you can plink with cheaper .38spl ball ammo to your heart's content. [popcorn]
+1
Love my Henry .357
I'll just leave this here... ;)
(http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp231/tazios/photo-187.jpg)
[evil]
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=25903.msg1015005#msg1015005 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=25903.msg1015005#msg1015005)
[bacon]
Quote from: Speedbag on January 17, 2012, 03:32:24 PM
+1
Love my Henry .357
When time came to get junior a lever action .22lr the Win 94s were long gone. And he's not getting mine while I'm still alive! >:( [laugh] My older brother said go Henry. He got his two boys Henry .22s. I looked into them and they were as nice as the 94s. Good price, made in the USA and had a great warranty/factory service. What's not to like? Junior got one and is working hard to wear it out! The Marlin version was just a little too big for him. I think he likes the Henry more than his 10/22 Ruger!
They make a damn fine lever action for the $$$!
357! You can plink cheap ammo and use the magnum rounds for some extra kick.
Gunbroker.com is awesome! I just landed a beretta cx4 -45 caliber with full rails, 4 clips, fake suppressor and forward handle with carry case for 585 two days ago.
Quote from: muskrat on January 17, 2012, 05:28:13 PM
Gunbroker.com is awesome! I just landed a beretta cx4 -45 caliber with full rails, 4 clips, fake suppressor and forward handle with carry case for 585 two days ago.
I don't know what that is, but congrats! [beer]
[bacon]
Quote from: The Bacon Junkie on January 17, 2012, 03:37:12 PM
I'll just leave this here... ;)
(http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp231/tazios/photo-187.jpg)
Save the brass.
Quote from: DRKWNG on January 17, 2012, 05:52:04 PM
Save the brass.
[laugh]
Okay, I think that has to go in my sig line somewhere... Right next to the 999... ;D
[bacon]
Quote from: The Bacon Junkie on January 17, 2012, 05:54:21 PM
[laugh]
Okay, I think that has to go in my sig line somewhere... Right next to the 999... ;D
[bacon]
;D
Quote from: The Bacon Junkie on January 17, 2012, 05:39:32 PM
I don't know what that is, but congrats! [beer]
[bacon]
Thanks. It's this http://www.berettausa.com/products/cx4-storm/ (http://www.berettausa.com/products/cx4-storm/)
Quote from: muskrat on January 17, 2012, 05:58:15 PM
Thanks. It's this http://www.berettausa.com/products/cx4-storm/ (http://www.berettausa.com/products/cx4-storm/)
That's kinda sexy in a futuristic kind of way... [thumbsup]
[bacon]
Quote from: muskrat on January 17, 2012, 05:28:13 PM
Gunbroker.com is awesome! I just landed a beretta cx4 -45 caliber with full rails, 4 clips, fake suppressor and forward handle with carry case for 585 two days ago.
<--------- super jealous
Great buy!
Did we mention save the brass? [laugh]
Quote from: fastwin on January 17, 2012, 06:11:07 PM
Did we mention save the brass? [laugh]
;D
Did I mention I got a 999?
Because I did!!! [cheeky]
[bacon]
Quote from: The Bacon Junkie on January 17, 2012, 06:03:16 PM
That's kinda sexy in a futuristic kind of way... [thumbsup]
[bacon]
That's what she said. ;)
Pork fan,
Nice pic in your avatar. That's a really cool rifle and story. Never shot one like that. Old guns and bikes kick butt. [thumbsup] Cars and planes too! ;)
It's so much fun to shoot....
The only thing I hit my first time out with her was the big dirt berm behind the target... [laugh]
[bacon]
45-70 is a hoot to shoot; big bang, lots of smoke, and enough time between shots to savor the experience. My hunting buddy (a flintlock fanatic) has a trapdoor Sharps that we probably shouldn't be shooting, but do, and a modern, break-action 45-70 keeps finding its way into my gun locker as part of the rotating cast of loaners from my father-in-law.
And as for the brass, well, it's not made of solid gold like some here would have you think, but at $20-35 for a reloading kit for 45-70, yes, you should save the brass:
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/224711/lee-classic-loader-45-70-government?cm_mmc=Froogle-_-Reloading+-+Metallic+Reloading+Equipment+(Not+Presses)-_-PriceCompListing-_-224711 (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/224711/lee-classic-loader-45-70-government?cm_mmc=Froogle-_-Reloading+-+Metallic+Reloading+Equipment+(Not+Presses)-_-PriceCompListing-_-224711)
only if he wants to shoot it.
Quote from: Monsterlover on January 17, 2012, 06:07:30 PM
<--------- super jealous
Great buy!
I've been searching for a while. Lucky me ;)
Midway rocks. As does Dillon Precision. My older brother was the re-loader in my family. Sadly he has given it up. Hopefully his boys will pick up the habit. I've got lots of brass they need to re-load. ;) ;D
Quote from: triangleforge on January 17, 2012, 06:25:34 PM
45-70 is a hoot to shoot; big bang, lots of smoke, and enough time between shots to savor the experience. My hunting buddy (a flintlock fanatic) has a trapdoor Sharps that we probably shouldn't be shooting, but do, and a modern, break-action 45-70 keeps finding its way into my gun locker as part of the rotating cast of loaners from my father-in-law.
And as for the brass, well, it's not made of solid gold like some here would have you think, but at $20-35 for a reloading kit for 45-70, yes, you should save the brass:
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/224711/lee-classic-loader-45-70-government?cm_mmc=Froogle-_-Reloading+-+Metallic+Reloading+Equipment+(Not+Presses)-_-PriceCompListing-_-224711 (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/224711/lee-classic-loader-45-70-government?cm_mmc=Froogle-_-Reloading+-+Metallic+Reloading+Equipment+(Not+Presses)-_-PriceCompListing-_-224711)
Thanks for the link... [thumbsup]
I read the reviews and they mention needing extra tools for lead rounds? ???
Either way, I have loads of research to do.... :-\
Hey, what the..? Who put "Save The Brass..." in my sig line??!!!
I put it under my avatar, but...
[bacon]
Quote from: triangleforge on January 17, 2012, 06:25:34 PM
And as for the brass, well, it's not made of solid gold like some here would have you think,
Don't listen to him!!!
Quote from: triangleforge on January 17, 2012, 06:25:34 PM
yes, you should save the brass:
Ahhhh... Redemption.
Save the brass
[laugh]
Edward Wilks - Daughter Miriam: Reverse Evolution of a Shooter (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l89yZZ06i8U&feature=youtube_gdata_player#)
Quote from: ducpainter on January 17, 2012, 06:27:02 PM
only if he wants to shoot it.
Actually, most of the gun shops near me carry commercially loaded .45-70 (smokeless powder), and at least one has big bags of .45-70 brass on their reloading rack. With an old rifle like that one, I'd be strongly inclined to handload with lower pressure blackpowder or pyrodex and toward the lighter end of scale; it'll still give a very satisfying boom, and kick all you could want.
It is a bit expensive to buy commercially - I looked and it's $35-ish for a box of 20, so reloading is definitely the way to go. I've probably reloaded (and shot) only 50 rounds or so of .45-70 with a kit like the one I linked to, and they all went bang and hit what I'd pointed at.
So yes, save the brass because it'll save you money, because you can load a cartridge that is way more appropriate (from a safety & aesthetics perspective) for your venerable old gun, and because it's just way more fun to shoot something that you've "built."
Or, because it's made of solid gold and sprinkled with unicorn pee, I'll happily sell you as much .45-70 brass as you want for the low, low price of $10 each. Shipping included. Wait, for you, $5. ;D
Thanks T-forge...
I remember the gunsmith telling me I needed to shoot lower pressure stuff. I thought that's what the "Cowboy Loads" were...
I only have the shells that are in the pic I posted, so either way, I'll have to buy ammo so I have brass to reload, right?
This is all still pretty new to me, so I really appreciate all the info everyone has been posting. [beer]
[bacon]
What i know about .45-70 comes from shooting a few dozen low-powered blackpowder handloads & one long conversation in a local gunshop with a guy who REALLY wanted to sell me a new lever action Marlin in that caliber. One thing I remember from that conversation is that there were three general ranges of pressures loaded in that caliber - low pressure rounds for antiques like yours and reproductions, "Marlin" rounds at medium pressures, and hot rounds for the Ruger No. 1.
I've seen 325 grain rounds and 405 grain "Cowboy Loads"
I always thought the "Cowboy Loads" were a lower pressure, but the numbers seem higher...
Is there something I'm misinterpreting?
I think I'm just confused...
Is "Smokeless" powder a higher pressure than black powder? Or is black powder more potent, so there's more powder used in a smokeless cartridge? etc...
[bacon]
Quote from: The Bacon Junkie on January 17, 2012, 08:01:44 PM
Is "Smokeless" powder a higher pressure than black powder? Or is black powder more potent, so there's more powder used in a smokeless cartridge? etc...
Smokeless powder is significantly more potent than black powder.
Quote from: The Bacon Junkie on January 17, 2012, 07:11:17 PM
Thanks T-forge...
I remember the gunsmith telling me I needed to shoot lower pressure stuff. I thought that's what the "Cowboy Loads" were...
I only have the shells that are in the pic I posted, so either way, I'll have to buy ammo so I have brass to reload, right?
This is all still pretty new to me, so I really appreciate all the info everyone has been posting. [beer]
[bacon]
The old trapdoor models have their own set of reloading data with reduced pressures.
In the AA manual pressures are kept below 18K psi.
I would be careful with any factory ammo. Know the pressure.
Quote from: zarn02 on January 17, 2012, 08:03:22 PM
Smokeless powder is significantly more potent than black powder.
Okay, I know I'm showing my ignorance here, but does that mean a 405 grain black powder load is less powerful than a 325 grain smokeless load?
My learning curve is near vertical, it seems... [laugh]
Quote from: ducpainter on January 18, 2012, 04:46:35 AM
The old trapdoor models have their own set of reloading data with reduced pressures.
In the AA manual pressures are kept below 18K psi.
I would be careful with any factory ammo. Know the pressure.
Okay, so... Save the brass? ;D
[bacon]
Quote from: cupcake on January 17, 2012, 06:48:42 PM
Edward Wilks - Daughter Miriam: Reverse Evolution of a Shooter (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l89yZZ06i8U&feature=youtube_gdata_player#)
Good God, he's creating a killing machine!
[thumbsup]
Quote from: The Bacon Junkie on January 18, 2012, 04:48:41 AM
Okay, I know I'm showing my ignorance here, but does that mean a 405 grain black powder load is less powerful than a 325 grain smokeless load?
My learning curve is near vertical, it seems... [laugh]
Okay, so... Save the brass? ;D
[bacon]
not necessarily.
you have to look at the data.
just save the brass. ;)
Quote from: ducpainter on January 18, 2012, 05:47:09 AM
not necessarily.
you have to look at the data.
just save the brass. ;)
btw...
You wouldn't have
any idea who may have put "Save The Brass" in my sig line, would you? ;)
[bacon]
who...
me?
That's awesome. I could only hope my daughter is level headed enough to do that.. I just need more training my self first..
On another note, never seen a keltec pistol before.. was watching hickock45 and a pmr30.. damn thing looks like a toy.. with a 30 round capacity and basicly no recoil seems quite usable. Any thoughts on the. 22 magnum rounds?
Seems like it would be good for my wife just would like to know if that round you think has enough stopping power..
Quote from: cokey on January 18, 2012, 06:50:42 AM
On another note, never seen a keltec pistol before.. was watching hickock45 and a pmr30.. damn thing looks like a toy.. with a 30 round capacity and basicly no recoil seems quite usable. Any thoughts on the. 22 magnum rounds?
Seems like it would be good for my wife just would like to know if that round you think has enough stopping power..
KelTecs are decently designed pistols using "frugal" components. They are not high end guns, but they have proven to be reliable despite being inexpensive.
The PMR30 is kind of a toy. 22magnum is not a cheap caliber. I would not buy any 22mag pistol unless it had a 22LR conversion kit included. I think they were supposed to offer one for the PMR30, but I don't know if they have made it yet. 30 round 22LR pistol? Very cool.
22mag as a defense round? I'd have to say only if that's the biggest you can handle. Even with hollow points you are talking about a 35-45 grain projectile. 35 grains is a little more than 2 grams, and for comparison, a typical paperclip weighs about 1.5 grams, so you are talking about lobbing a little less than 2 paperclips.
Quote from: The Bacon Junkie on January 18, 2012, 04:48:41 AM
Okay, I know I'm showing my ignorance here, but does that mean a 405 grain black powder load is less powerful than a 325 grain smokeless load?
My learning curve is near vertical, it seems... [laugh]
Okay, so... Save the brass? ;D
[bacon]
One point of clarification - "grains" are used as a measure of weight for both powder AND for bullet, and the above weights you list simply have to be bullet weights, not powder weights - if'n you're going to put 400 grains of powder in the case, make sure I'm standing a county or two away before you pull the trigger. :o
Here's a good site with lots of numbers about the .45-70 round, which happily confirmed my dodgy memory about the three general "ranges" of case pressures for different types of guns:
http://www.chuckhawks.com/45-70Govt (http://www.chuckhawks.com/45-70Govt)
And another with a good description of the cartridge in the days when your rifle was the tool of choice for market hunters looking to stack up as many buffalo hides as possible; note that he says the standard charge was 70 grains of
blackpowder behind a 405 grain bullet:
http://www.chuckhawks.com/buffalo_cartridges.htm (http://www.chuckhawks.com/buffalo_cartridges.htm)
Another site with reloading data for the cartridge, along with recommendations about what type of gun to use with what - but note that the powder measures he gives are for
smokeless powder and so are much smaller than the 70 grains of blackpowder listed above:
http://www.reloadammo.com/4570load.htm (http://www.reloadammo.com/4570load.htm)
Finally, here's a company that might be worth a phone call; they stock .45-70 loaded with GOEX blackpowder and probably could offer some good advice about what would work with your rifle:
http://www.trackofthewolf.com/categories/partList.aspx?catID=2&subID=190&styleID=922 (http://www.trackofthewolf.com/categories/partList.aspx?catID=2&subID=190&styleID=922)
For comparison, for hunting loads in a .50 cal blackpowder rifle (that's where
most all of my very limited experience lies) I use mostly 385 grain conical bullets and shoot a lot in the off season to figure out the powder charge that gives me the best grouping at the distances I expect to shoot, usually using 100 grains of blackpowder or pyrodex as a starting point and fiddling in a range of plus or minus ten grains in order to get the gun to group nicely.
As for "cowboy" rounds, a quick perusal would indicate that they tend to be lower-pressure cartridges, but I wouldn't trust it as a guarantee of that fact - it's worth asking first about how they're loaded - blackpowder vs. smokeless, how much pressure, etc.
One question for those who know more than me: I realize it's way more complicated than this, but can muzzle velocity (which is almost always listed for commercial ammo) be used as very rough analog for case pressure (which almost never is)? Maybe if you compare them for identical bullet weights?
Finally, the case-crimping tool mentioned in the reviews of the Lee reloading kit probably isn't necessary with your single-shot rifle - it's needed for guns like the Marlin lever actions that have a tubular magazine that line up cartridges nose to tail under spring pressure. Without crimping, I'd imagine you run the risk of pushing the bullet deeper in the case, but that's not an issue for you. You would want to add some of the other tools mentioned there, especially cleaning tools if you're loading blackpowder which burns dirty. You might want a case-flaring tool, but I don't know - if you're not crimping the cases, do you need to flare them?
(Disclosure: I started to send this as a PM, but realized that ignorance and misinformation on my part - which I have in apparently limitless supply - could be dangerous, so this was better exposed to light & any necessary criticism.)
.22mag is a good little round but expensive for what it is. I'd say no to self defense. But plinking is just as fun and a lot cheaper with regular .22lr.
My friend has a nice bolt rifle in .22mag (maybe a CZ??, can't remember) that he uses for wild turkey hunting and general varmit stuff. It's scoped and he just pops the gobblers in the head. DRT. Dead Right There. And no carcass damage. [thumbsup]
Yea it wouldn't be for me but the wife.. she has hand/wrist problems and with the lighter but larger round guns, I see they recoil a lot..
T-Forge...
That's a lot of great info. Thanks! [beer]
[bacon]
Quote from: cupcake on January 17, 2012, 06:48:42 PM
Edward Wilks - Daughter Miriam: Reverse Evolution of a Shooter (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l89yZZ06i8U&feature=youtube_gdata_player#)
[thumbsup]
Quote from: cokey on January 18, 2012, 09:41:00 AM
Yea it wouldn't be for me but the wife.. she has hand/wrist problems and with the lighter but larger round guns, I see they recoil a lot..
Maybe get a pistol you want but make sure someone makes a .22lr conversion for it. I would like to convince my wife to try that. Why she married me I will never know... she is scared of motorcycles and guns. [laugh] Anyway, it would be a nice way to teach her (your wife and mine) how to safely handle a pistol like a Glock or 1911 without the big bang and recoil. I'm still working on my wife. Actually even my step son is working to get his Mom to try it. Maybe he'll have better luck. [popcorn]
Quote from: triangleforge on January 18, 2012, 09:06:54 AM
<snip>
(Disclosure: I started to send this as a PM, but realized that ignorance and misinformation on my part - which I have in apparently limitless supply - could be dangerous, so this was better exposed to light & any necessary criticism.)
Nothing you offered was 'misinformation' IMO.
You may be disagreed with on some points by some reloaders...but there are probably as many opinions as reloaders... ;D
Excellent explanation.
I'm lucky. Mine likes both! ;D
Both of what? That leaves a lot of questions unanswered. [laugh] [laugh]
ok all three.......I think.
As far as the 45-70 goes, most data is broken down into three categories. The lowest pressure loads are for the Springfield trapdoor and other similar guns, the second tier being for Winchester 96 and others and the highest pressure loads for the Ruger single shots and at the lower end of this range, the Marlin lever guns.
I have loaded thousands of 45-70's at all the different pressure levels. The Trapdoor should be kept at the low end of the pressure ranges. Bullet weight, in and of itself has little to do with pressure. Lead bullets will typically generate less pressure than a similar weight jacketed bullet as it engraves in the rifling easier.
I make and use swaged lead bullets that are "Paper Patched" which functionally means that the projectile has a paper jacket that protects the bullet as it goes down the bore. Most early black powder cartridges used paper patch bullets. It provides great accuracy and reduced pressure. As no lead comes in contact with the bore, there is no leading issues even using very soft bullets. The patch shreds as soon as it leaves the bore. I've killed several deer with the 45-70 and paper patch bullets in Marlin lever actions and have used the paper patch bullets in my 577-450 Martini Henry to put hits on a 12" Plate at 600 yards. They work very well.
The 45-70 can be loaded with black powder or black powder substitutes but I would leave that until you get some solid experience loading first. There are some safety and technical aspects of loading with black powder that need to be understood. There are a number of good smokeless powder loads that will work well for the Trapdoor 45-70. PM me if you want some details.
Thanks for all the info, WarrenJ.
I've heard of "Paper Patched" bullets, but only because I've watched Quigley Down Under a million times! ;D
Since I haven't shot the gun in 8 years or so, I'm thinking about taking it to a gun shop to make sure it's still okay to fire.
I would love to know more, so I will be sending you a pm soon. [thumbsup]
Thanks again! [beer]
-Ryan [bacon]
Yeah, this isn't the movie thread but I'm for sure going to see this one! [thumbsup] Lots of guns and shit blows up. ;)
http://www.actofvalor.com/#/TRAILER (http://www.actofvalor.com/#/TRAILER)
Quote from: fastwin on January 22, 2012, 02:59:58 PM
Yeah, this isn't the movie thread but I'm for sure going to see this one! [thumbsup] Lots of guns and shit blows up. ;)
http://www.actofvalor.com/#/TRAILER (http://www.actofvalor.com/#/TRAILER)
I really hope they play it down here.
It's interesting that Mike "Mouse" McCoy is the director/producer of Act of Valor. McCoy was featured in Dana Brown's documentary of the Baja 1000 called Dust to Glory. Mouse McCoy was an off road motorcycle racer that raced the entire Baja 1000 all by himself... no co-riders. It is a great movie. I highly recommend it! [thumbsup]
Dana Brown is the son of Bruce Brown who directed On Any Sunday. Guess I don't need to tell you guys about that movie! ;) [popcorn] [bow_down]
Quote from: fastwin on January 23, 2012, 12:32:23 PM
It's interesting that Mike "Mouse" McCoy is the director/producer of Act of Valor. McCoy was featured in Dana Brown's documentary of the Baja 1000 called Dust to Glory. Mouse McCoy was an off road motorcycle racer that raced the entire Baja 1000 all by himself... no co-riders. It is a great movie. I highly recommend it!
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Ah, that's where I knew that name from! His P.O.V. nighttime crash in that film is freakin' absurd.
That, and the full-speed nighttime oncoming fly-by from the open-class trucks... those made me pee a little.
The trailer for Act of Valor was shown with Haywire...which featured Gina Carano in a wetsuit, and occasionally shooting stuff. Best. Movie. EVAR!
There, brought the thread back to gun stuff.
Great action footage in Dust to Glory for sure. My 15 year old step son freaking LOVES that show. Whenever Mom is out with the girls seeing a chick movie he always asks "Can we get a pizza and watch Dust to Glory?" #2 fav is LeMans with Steve McQueen. He's a McQueen junkie!! Magnificent 7 is #3. ;)
Here's a little gun news that's pretty cool. Got $210K laying around?? [laugh]
http://www.wfaa.com/news/national/137878538.html (http://www.wfaa.com/news/national/137878538.html)
Detail stripped my SA 1911 GI model for the first time ever tonight. REALLY enjoyed it. Found out I can do alot of the parts work I have planned myself, and pay the smithy for the heavy stuff later. This is a good revelation. [thumbsup]
1911's are pretty easy to work on and since they have been around for a century, there is no end of good information on doing it. One real good basic book on the topic is "Hallock's .45 Auto Handbook". Its all pretty straightforward and easy to understand and it takes you through all the basic things you can do and some of the more complex ones also.
I actually met Ken Hallock when he was doing a gunshow up here while doing some geneological (sp) research while in the area, so I got an autographed copy. Its pretty dogeared and fingerprinted up now but I have used the book a lot, especially when I was learning how to make 1911's run.
Thanks for the book recommendation! I'll be looking for that one straight away.
Warren's right. Hallock's book is a great place to start. [thumbsup] No shortage of info, parts or accessories for those old war horses.
I worked a booth for a shooting academy years ago at a gun show. The gentleman in the booth next to us was a 1911 collector/trader. It was a slow show and he was a very nice and friendly guy. We talked 1911s all day... or rather I listened to him talk. He had forgotten more than I will ever know. He was into collectable WWII models. If fact he had served in WWII so he damn sure knew what he was talking about. Nothing like first hand knowledge I suppose.
We hit it off and at the end of the show he made me a great deal on one I had been eyeing. It was nothing off the charts special or valuable. Just good basic era correct 1911. He told me that it had been issued to the Navy but that's all I remember. Haven't shot it in a while but I just love holding it and looking at it... kind of like sitting in your garage and staring at your Duc! ;) I'm sure it has some good stories to tell. [thumbsup] It has a great hard earned patina to it's finish. I guess it's a little like me. ;D
And yes, it shoots just fine. Just writing this makes me want to bust it out and run a couple of magazines through it. Proper 7 rounders... no Wilson 8 rounders. [laugh]
Quote from: fastwin on January 24, 2012, 08:12:39 AM
And yes, it shoots just fine. Just writing this makes me want to bust it out and run a couple of magazines through it. Proper 7 rounders... no Wilson 8 rounders. [laugh]
Yeah man! JMB intended for 7, that's how I like to shoot it. I'd like to pick up his other masterpiece (the Hi-Power), but that'll be a ways in the future.
I just realized I haven't pulled a trigger in 8 months :'(
For shame, Kevin. Find the nearest Super Soaker and go to town!
Quote from: The Married Pip on January 24, 2012, 01:44:30 PM
Yeah man! JMB intended for 7, that's how I like to shoot it. I'd like to pick up his other masterpiece (the Hi-Power), but that'll be a ways in the future.
Don't start me on Hi-Powers. I've had a mad on for Belgium Hi-Powers for years. My wife asks me how many guns I have and I just mumble and leave the room. [laugh] Hi, my name is fastwin and I am a gun-a-holic".
I had Wayne Novak build me up three Belgium Hi-Powers long ago. They used to be the FBI Hostage Rescue team sidearm. The first one took 6 months, the second was over a year and the last one took over a year and a half! Still wouldn't trade any of them for anything. PM me when you want a P-35. ;)
Quote from: The Married Pip on January 24, 2012, 01:54:34 PM
For shame, Kevin. Find the nearest Super Soaker and go to town!
What he said. You are wasting too much time at the shop. Now what would be cool would be to ride and shoot at the same time! Kind of a Cowboy Action Shoot but on scooters. Of course all the lefties would have an advantage. ;D That way you could get in some riding time and range time. [Dolph] [popcorn] [bacon]
I dug out my old WWII 1911A1 this afternoon and it is a Colt manufactured pistol. It has United States Property stamped on the right hand of the receiver and in front of that is stamped 1911A1 US Army. I distinctly remembering him tell me that he had researched the serial number and traced it to a 1911 issued to the Navy. Are there any historical 1911 buffs out there that know if all 1911A1s were stamped US Army whether they went to another branch or not?
http://smallestminority.blogspot.com/2012/01/thats-not-recoil-this-is-recoil.html (http://smallestminority.blogspot.com/2012/01/thats-not-recoil-this-is-recoil.html)
[laugh] [laugh]
I love the look on the fat guy's face after he shot it.
It doesn't look fun to shoot.
Id still give it a whirl though :)
I've seen safari/big game gun vids like that. My older brother did an African safari hunt a few years ago and had a CZ "howitzer" caliber rifle along with normal big game rifles. I never shot them nor did I ever want to. Passed on a few chances at .50BMG sniper rifles too in the past. I ain't dumb! [thumbsup] [beer]
Just picked up a new Kimber Eclipse Custom II 1911. What a fun gun!!! It is tack accurate!
Any other 1911 lovers out here?
Quote from: ducducgooseme on January 27, 2012, 07:30:30 AM
Any other 1911 lovers out here?
I doubt it. ;D
(sorry, just had to chime in before fastwin checked the thread)
My newest 1911. It may need a little work ;D
(http://catie.smugmug.com/photos/i-ZsR4sqS/0/M/i-ZsR4sqS-M.jpg)
Quote from: triangleforge on January 27, 2012, 07:37:03 AM
I doubt it. ;D
(sorry, just had to chime in before fastwin checked the thread)
[laugh] [laugh]
Sweet one Zach! [thumbsup] That's the firearm version of an artist's blank canvas. [popcorn] [bacon] ;) Those mags in the background look a little big for that frame. [laugh]
Lighter than a Glock!!
Quote from: fastwin on January 27, 2012, 07:50:41 AM
Those mags in the background look a little big for that frame. [laugh]
We could always go Beta Mag [evil]
(http://catie.smugmug.com/photos/i-TbTJqLB/0/M/i-TbTJqLB-M.jpg)
Quote from: ducducgooseme on January 27, 2012, 07:54:53 AM
Lighter than a Glock!!
Brilliant! We can market it as the new ultralight 1911* ;D
*some assembly required.
Hmmm... Beta Mags for 1911s? I think you are on to something! Quick call a patent attorney!
What frame is that and whatcha' thinking about doing? [popcorn] I can vicariously enjoy the build. [beer]
promag made a drum for the 1911 and I think there was a "snail" mag ages ago.
Hey I'm curious what y'all use for bore cleaning and lubrication. (sounds kinky).
I've been using just plain ole Hoppe's 9 for bore cleaning. Anything better out there?
Also, any good places to buy ammo online? The cost of the .45ACP is going to kill me....maybe its time to get into reloading.
Quote from: ducducgooseme on January 27, 2012, 08:51:05 AM
Hey I'm curious what y'all use for bore cleaning and lubrication. (sounds kinky).
I've been using just plain ole Hoppe's 9 for bore cleaning. Anything better out there?
Also, any good places to buy ammo online? The cost of the .45ACP is going to kill me....maybe its time to get into reloading.
Hoppe's Elite for cleaning and then Eezox for everything else. Hoppes 9 is the old standard and it's toxic as hell.
Hoppe's Elite is non-toxic and water soluble and works well, and actually works very well with corrosive ammo residue.
Eezox resists corrosion and lubes with a dry film. And it smells gooooood.
Look at the corrosion testing with various products -- salt spray testing.
http://www.6mmbr.com/corrosiontest.html (http://www.6mmbr.com/corrosiontest.html)
(http://www.6mmbr.citymaker.com/i//Test2_43hoursWEB500.jpg)
Spray a gun down with Eezox and it won't rust. Ever.
Wow, cool stuff ducatiz. Thanks!
out of curiosity, what type of cleaning kit do you have? Otis, etc?
It is a Caspian commander Basic in titanium. The plan is a no frills carry piece for my wife. I'm still working out the details. I need to finish my 2 AR-15 pistols before I tackle this.
The beta mag was used on my MP5 once and I hated it. It has been in the safe ever since.
Quote from: ducducgooseme on January 27, 2012, 08:57:36 AM
Wow, cool stuff ducatiz. Thanks!
out of curiosity, what type of cleaning kit do you have? Otis, etc?
a bunch of shit that i have collected over the years.
what you clean with isn't as important as how much etc.
I think I've cleaned my Glock 19 about twice in 9 years. I mean other than wiping it down and lubing it. Modern guns with modern ammo don't need cleaning, they really just "need" lube. Cleaning just makes them pretty.
Older guns or using corrosive ammo, it's a necessity to prevent rust and corrosion in the barrel.
However, many com-bloc guns with chromium-lined barrels will never have any rust in the barrel (never = in your lifetime) regardless what ammo you use. But you still need to worry about the gas system as particulates end up there.
If you like the Otis, buy it. if you like the Hoppes kit, buy it. I have a few different jibes that I've used. Try different ones and see which one makes you weak in the knees.
Here is another pic of a test of various gun products on bare metal:
I have used eezox for years now and until something better comes along, i'm sold.
(http://www.6mmbr.com/i/Reader%20Photos/Rust_Test_LongTerm_640.jpg)
Quote from: zach on January 27, 2012, 08:57:45 AM
It is a Caspian commander Basic in titanium. The plan is a no frills carry piece for my wife. I'm still working out the details. I need to finish my 2 AR-15 pistols before I tackle this.
The beta mag was used on my MP5 once and I hated it. It has been in the safe ever since.
I have an un-used Beta Mag for my MP5 too. When it came out I jumped on it and was all excited then had buyer's remorse. Seriously, a 100 rnd. mag for the MP5? [bang] That's just a recipe for a burned out three lug barrel. I keep it around to remind me to not buy stupid shit I don't really need. [laugh] Hasn't completely worked but it has been helpful on occasion. [thumbsup]
Going with a Commander barrel and slide length on the Caspian? .45acp? Post up some pics here or on the gun pic thread once you get around to the build. Sounds like a cool piece in the making. [thumbsup]
I checked an on line website for Eezox and they listed a few Eezox dealers in my state but none were close to me. I have heard of it but don't personally know anyone who has used it... except ducatiz. ;) I think I'm going to order some on line and give it a try. I have read good stuff about it before. My cleaning/oiling/storing program has worked well over the years but it can always stand to be improved!
Another question for ya...what do you recommend for gun safes?
Get one. ;)
Seriously, there are a lot of good ones out there. Even having a semi funky one is better that not having one at all.
Mine are Browning Pro Steel safes. One is an original Pro Steel before Browning bought them. Ordered direct from the plant in Utah. Not sure if they are still there or not.
I'm sure other DMFers will chime in.
PS Here's a few! [thumbsup]
http://www.gunsafesuperstore.com/index.php?main_page=index&manufacturers_id=1 (http://www.gunsafesuperstore.com/index.php?main_page=index&manufacturers_id=1)
Quote from: ducducgooseme on January 27, 2012, 11:44:50 AM
Another question for ya...what do you recommend for gun safes?
if you have kids, get one of these:
http://www.buyasafe.net/Grizzly-Biometrics-Pistol-Safe-Box/M/B004QYRHF2.htm (http://www.buyasafe.net/Grizzly-Biometrics-Pistol-Safe-Box/M/B004QYRHF2.htm)
they work very well
Quote from: ducatiz on January 27, 2012, 11:52:49 AM
if you have kids, get one of these:
http://www.buyasafe.net/Grizzly-Biometrics-Pistol-Safe-Box/M/B004QYRHF2.htm (http://www.buyasafe.net/Grizzly-Biometrics-Pistol-Safe-Box/M/B004QYRHF2.htm)
they work very well
I might get it even without a handgun.
Quote from: ducducgooseme on January 27, 2012, 11:44:50 AM
Another question for ya...what do you recommend for gun safes?
Do you mean a large, stand up type gun safe or a smaller one for one or two handguns? Probably should have asked you that in the first place.
Quote from: duccarlos on January 27, 2012, 12:05:09 PM
I might get it even without a handgun.
mine works very well. i have it bolted to the wall next to the bed. fingerprint recognition takes about 3-5 seconds.
its hard cuz I DO have 5 long guns...but they are put away except for hunting. It would be nice to have a big safe for them too...but the cost and size is pretty high. Might just do the biometric route for the hand guns
Quote from: ducatiz on January 27, 2012, 12:07:58 PM
mine works very well. i have it bolted to the wall next to the bed. fingerprint recognition takes about 3-5 seconds.
Says in description less then a second to recognize, you have a different one or false advertising on their part?
Quote from: cokey on January 27, 2012, 02:34:40 PM
Says in description less then a second to recognize, you have a different one or false advertising on their part?
under ideal conditions sure. mine is upside down and i have to reach for it. if you pit it flat on the kitchen table maybe.
I like the idea of this better:
http://www.gunvault.com/speedvault-biometric-svb500.html (http://www.gunvault.com/speedvault-biometric-svb500.html)
(http://www.gunvault.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/s/p/speedvaultbio-2.png)
But it doesn't seem like you see them or can buy them anywhere?
Quote from: mitt on January 27, 2012, 07:58:37 PM
I like the idea of this better:
http://www.gunvault.com/speedvault-biometric-svb500.html (http://www.gunvault.com/speedvault-biometric-svb500.html)
(http://www.gunvault.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/s/p/speedvaultbio-2.png)
But it doesn't seem like you see them or can buy them anywhere?
theyre around, cheaper too:
http://www.inventorycheap.com/gunvault-svb500-speedvault-bio.html (http://www.inventorycheap.com/gunvault-svb500-speedvault-bio.html)
Quote from: ducatiz on January 27, 2012, 04:51:17 PM
under ideal conditions sure. mine is upside down and i have to reach for it. if you pit it flat on the kitchen table maybe.
Does it beep at all while opening?
Wow, I keep My sidearm with Me all day, at night I stuff it between the mattress and boxspring under My head. We don't have kids around, so no worries there, just wondering how You handle waking up to an intruder standing over You with a knife, ect. and get Your firearm to action with a 3-4 second wait to unlock the "safe"...After They have killed the Dogs, ect....
They usually don't make it past the moat.
If they do, the alarm system gives me at least 10-15 seconds before they get to my bedroom.
Quote from: KRJ on January 27, 2012, 10:45:25 PM
Wow, I keep My sidearm with Me all day, at night I stuff it between the mattress and boxspring under My head. We don't have kids around, so no worries there, just wondering how You handle waking up to an intruder standing over You with a knife, ect. and get Your firearm to action with a 3-4 second wait to unlock the "safe"...After They have killed the Dogs, ect....
Here's my question; where do you live? I'd strongly consider moving if I was
that concerned...
Quote from: rgramjet on January 27, 2012, 08:52:29 PM
Does it beep at all while opening?
no just a click
Quote from: KRJ on January 27, 2012, 10:45:25 PM
Wow, I keep My sidearm with Me all day, at night I stuff it between the mattress and boxspring under My head. We don't have kids around, so no worries there, just wondering how You handle waking up to an intruder standing over You with a knife, ect. and get Your firearm to action with a 3-4 second wait to unlock the "safe"...After They have killed the Dogs, ect....
the risk of ninja attack is low. perhaps you need to move.
Quote from: KRJ on January 27, 2012, 10:45:25 PM
Wow, I keep My sidearm with Me all day, at night I stuff it between the mattress and boxspring under My head. We don't have kids around, so no worries there, just wondering how You handle waking up to an intruder standing over You with a knife, ect. and get Your firearm to action with a 3-4 second wait to unlock the "safe"...After They have killed the Dogs, ect....
A bedside holster would be faster and more secure. I bet it takes you longer than 3 seconds to go from dead asleep to finding that pistol under the mattress. I like nightstand drawers.
Theres a 100+ ways to skin the Cat, just a matter of what You are comfortable with. And it doesn't really matter where You live, the threat is everywhere. I might be a bit paranoid, but it has kept Me alive in some very bad environments. Interesting to hear Everyones ideas tho'... Perhaps some day We won't have to worry about this stuff at all..
Quote from: rgramjet on January 27, 2012, 08:52:29 PM
Does it beep at all while opening?
All the safe I've messed with, the beeps can be turned off.
Having no kiddos around makes a huge difference. We have a very good, safe, smart 15 year old. He knows if he does something stupid with a gun either at home, farm or the range his gun days will be toast. I'm his step Dad and both me and his Dad are on the same page and will put up with zero nonsense.
Problem is my wife takes care of several little ones here at our house. One year old (nephew), 14 month old and four year old (kiddos of good friends)... so our gun rules have changed considerably. As they should under those circumstances.
In my world I'd have a loaded gun in every room. Maybe two or three in the bedroom, kitchen and garage! [laugh] But I have been restricted to one pistol and shotgun. Both with empty chambers and the pistol has the magazine in a different spot. The shotgun is totally inaccessible to the kids. They would have to be adult height and also know where it is to reach it. Same for the pistol and magazine. And yes, I have practiced getting to both in the dark and with my eyes closed a hundred times. It's as good as I can make it without "cheating" and hiding other loaded guns. I've made the promise to my wife so I won't do that. :P
We've got a great dog who seems to be alert and on guard 24/7. She's the best alarm system I have ever had. Guns are nice and all but having a good dog that's protective of "the pack" and turf is worth it's weight in gold. All the companion stuff is a given. My dog is not a biter and is not mean at all, she is just very protective and has a great bark. That's a win-win. She scares the shit out of the UPS drivers and the USPS letter carriers. That just confirms to me that she's doing a good job. [thumbsup] [popcorn] If you came to our door with no good intentions I am sure she would make you think twice and you would go hit my neighbor's home instead. ;) Of course they have a 150 lb Great Dane! [laugh]
Hidden gun in every room is every gun nuts dream I think..
Hidden gun on my side at all times is mine! I gotta move to VA......
Quote from: WarrenJ on January 23, 2012, 10:08:07 PM
1911's are pretty easy to work on and since they have been around for a century, there is no end of good information on doing it. One real good basic book on the topic is "Hallock's .45 Auto Handbook". Its all pretty straightforward and easy to understand and it takes you through all the basic things you can do and some of the more complex ones also.
I actually met Ken Hallock when he was doing a gunshow up here while doing some geneological (sp) research while in the area, so I got an autographed copy. Its pretty dogeared and fingerprinted up now but I have used the book a lot, especially when I was learning how to make 1911's run.
As the Hallock's 1911 book is out of print, are there any others you can recommend?
Quote from: DarkStaR on January 29, 2012, 02:13:00 PM
As the Hallock's 1911 book is out of print, are there any others you can recommend?
Walt Kuleck's 1911 book should be in print. He's very thorough, sort of the chief scientist at Fulton Armory (if he's still there)
We shot a new video of my buddy Frank.
Way Of The Gun 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8qH9jOZxTc&sns=em#)
Wow. Great form and super fast mag changes. [thumbsup] That's the way to do it! [clap] [bow_down]
Quote from: cupcake on January 29, 2012, 03:24:29 PM
We shot a new video of my buddy Frank.
Way Of The Gun 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8qH9jOZxTc&sns=em#)
You have friends? :-*
Awesome video, that guy's a monster with those magazine changes.
[bow_down]
Great video. What kind of hand gun is he shooting?
mitt
Quote from: mitt on January 29, 2012, 07:04:41 PM
Great video. What kind of hand gun is he shooting?
mitt
Smith&Wesson M&P 9mm for the pistol. Hot rod M-4 for the long gun.
Quote from: Monsterlover on January 29, 2012, 07:03:36 PM
Awesome video, that guy's a monster with those magazine changes.
[bow_down]
We have been working really hard on long gun mag changes for several years now. They will make a believer out you once you start getting smooth with them.
Just watched some videos on youtube of bad range behavior. Reminds me why I don't go to ranges often, especially public ones.
mitt
I did find this gem though which is worth sharing:
1 million fps Slow Motion video of bullet impacts made by Werner Mehl from Kurzzeit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfDoQwIAaXg#)
1 million FPS bullet impact collection
That may be IS the coolest youtube video i've ever seen.
It's mesmerizing.
Like watching volcanic eruptions on an alien world, or solar flares coming off the sun.
Quote from: cupcake on January 29, 2012, 07:07:41 PM
Smith&Wesson M&P 9mm for the pistol. Hot rod M-4 for the long gun.
Recoil seemed non existent.. awesome skills
Quote from: mitt on January 29, 2012, 08:35:22 PM
Just watched some videos on youtube of bad range behavior. Reminds me why I don't go to ranges often, especially public ones.
mitt
Yeah, wish I had videoed some of the CHL renewal class range qualifying sessions I have attended. [roll] [bang] :P Some seriously scary shit. And these folks are licensed to carry? WTF? [thumbsdown]
I was nearly shot in basic training by someone while participating in a live fire exercise during FTX. The object was to bound forward and shoot a target. She ran with the weapon pointed to the inside of the lane (toward me,) and accidentally pulled the trigger. It likely missed me by 20 feet, but that was close enough.
Wow. What happened to always point it in a safe direction (down range), finger off the trigger and that whole the weapon is always loaded thing? [bang] Tell us she got chewed out real good! [popcorn]
The entire platoon was ass chewed and smoked until we couldn't moved. The same person had previously taken 10 tries to qualify, and shot a 4 out of 40 on the first attempt. She was a flute player and was already being paid at an E-6 rate. Hopefully she never had to pick up a weapon again and just matched in the army band.
My dad played in the national Guard marching band for many years. I hope he never had to pick up a weapon. I would never want to see him even attempt to shoot.
Quote from: cupcake on January 29, 2012, 07:10:28 PM
We have been working really hard on long gun mag changes for several years now. They will make a believer out you once you start getting smooth with them.
I've never liked that grip for the rifles. I've seen all the videos and heard all the reaso why it's used, but it simply does not feel natural.
Quote from: duccarlos on January 30, 2012, 11:24:25 AM
I've never liked that grip for the rifles. I've seen all the videos and heard all the reaso why it's used, but it simply does not feel natural.
It is extremely effective. If you run several thousand rounds through your gun using that technique, you'll never go back. It's all about leverage bro.
Aren't most things ;D
After we trained the Team guys today, I shot another video of my boy. This time with a Glock 19, some of the drills were from concealed carry.
WOTG Glock 19 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaFNkKyD-bI&sns=em#)
Uh oh. Nate's changing things...
;D
Nice double tap runs... and some triples on the solo target. [thumbsup]
Quote from: fastwin on January 30, 2012, 04:41:21 PM
Nice double tap runs... and some triples on the solo target. [thumbsup]
The three tgt double taps were, 2.1sec
Quote from: DRKWNG on January 30, 2012, 04:12:46 PM
Uh oh. Nate's changing things...
;D
I'll stop when 'tiz grows the make the beast with two backs up.
The other alternative is to lock the thing and make you all hate me a bit more. :-*
Quote from: ducpainter on January 30, 2012, 04:53:01 PM
I'll stop when 'tiz grows the make the beast with two backs up.
The other alternative is to lock the thing and make you all hate me a bit more. :-*
They'll be putting my wrinkly, crusty, dead ass in the ground and I'll have paid off the coroner to have put some hydraulic in me so I sit up and wig everyone out.
u luv me, u know it.
I've thought about funeral antics too! [laugh] Go out with a laugh or at least scare the shit out of your friends. ;D [beer] [popcorn] My wife wouldn't approve. :P
Opinions on STI 1911 slides? I was planning on using a caspian slide, but found the STIs for $100.
Quote from: zach on January 30, 2012, 06:57:43 PM
Opinions on STI 1911 slides? I was planning on using a caspian slide, but found the STIs for $100.
STI gun parts are top notch.
Thanks! I'm going to pick it up his week.
I've got a couple of SVI guns that I've had for years out of Grand Prairie, TX. I think the STI guns are out of Georgetown, TX... yes? I'll need to check. I may have it ass backwards. Best I remember both are top notch gun and parts suppliers. Seems like they both leaned towards racy 1911 guns. May be wrong in this day and time. My two SVI 1911s are more standard tact 1911s. One .40S&W and one .45acp double stacks. Had to stock up on mag parts back in the day of the Clinton hi-cap mag ban. That says how long I've had those SVI 1911s. [roll]
Quote from: cupcake on January 30, 2012, 04:12:06 PM
After we trained the Team guys today, I shot another video of my boy. This time with a Glock 19, some of the drills were from concealed carry.
WOTG Glock 19 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaFNkKyD-bI&sns=em#)
what is he using for holsters for the 19?
mitt
Well, enjoy marksmanship meaning something while it lasts, 'cause pretty soon everybody'll hit everything all the time.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012/01/31/the-first-self-guided-bullet/ (http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012/01/31/the-first-self-guided-bullet/)
. . . .
*cough*
[roll]
Interesting story. But I don't see one in anyones gun safe any time soon. I think it's safe to say we can all carry on missing our targets. ;D
Quote from: zarn02 on January 30, 2012, 09:05:45 PM
Well, enjoy marksmanship meaning something while it lasts, 'cause pretty soon everybody'll hit everything all the time.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012/01/31/the-first-self-guided-bullet/ (http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012/01/31/the-first-self-guided-bullet/)
People still do archery you know.. Bow hunting season is pretty active around me.
I need to learn archery.. only tried it once.. I get the concept but I'm horrible at it..
I'm not good either. Got junior a kiddo bow/arrow set and foam target block years ago when he was a youngster. He would kick my ass in a shoot off. Yeah, it was only a kid bow but having a $1,000 compound still wouldn't have helped me. [laugh]
I remember going to the SHOT Show years ago when it was in Dallas and was blown away by all the archery stuff. And that was back in the 90s! Just walking through the achery section at Bass Pro blows me away. I'd love to get involved in the sport but what I don't need is another expensive sport/hobby. If I get the desire to fling arrows I just go in the garage and look at my MP5 Beta Mag. [laugh]
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=39943.msg1014011#msg1014011 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=39943.msg1014011#msg1014011)
Just an update to the 9mm recommendation question I asked earlier and some field test feedback. All in all, I've tried out 7 different 9mm (Glock 17, FNP-9, SIG P226/229, CZ 75B, Beretta 92FS, HK P30, and S&W MP9) over 2 outings. There are probably others that I have over looked. But I feel that I've tried a good mixture of pistols with different type/style/material. In the end, I've decided on the CZ.
The CZ, IMO, is the best of overall for me. I like the heavier all-steel feel to the gun. Ergonomics is excellent. It's highly accurate with below average recoil and muzzle lift. Solid reputation and reliability. It's probably the worst kept secrete in the 9mm world. I highly recommend it. The Sig and HK are both high on my list but the price point scared me away.
I ordered the CZ online and should be here in 7-10 business days. I will make sure to post a few pics when I finally get my hands on it. Thanks guys for your suggestions and feedback. [thumbsup]
Quote from: Goat_Herder on January 31, 2012, 11:11:57 AM
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=39943.msg1014011#msg1014011 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=39943.msg1014011#msg1014011)
Just an update to the 9mm recommendation question I asked earlier and some field test feedback. All in all, I've tried out 7 different 9mm (Glock 17, FNP-9, SIG P226/229, CZ 75B, Beretta 92FS, HK P30, and S&W MP9) over 2 outings. There are probably others that I have over looked. But I feel that I've tried a good mixture of pistols with different type/style/material. In the end, I've decided on the CZ.
The CZ, IMO, is the best of overall for me. I like the heavier all-steel feel to the gun. Ergonomics is excellent. It's highly accurate with below average recoil and muzzle lift. Solid reputation and reliability. It's probably the worst kept secrete in the 9mm world. I highly recommend it. The Sig and HK are both high on my list but the price point scared me away.
I ordered the CZ online and should be here in 7-10 business days. I will make sure to post a few pics when I finally get my hands on it. Thanks guys for your suggestions and feedback. [thumbsup]
You won't be disappointed. [clap] [clap] [clap]
The B models can have gritty triggers when new, and all of them have some hammer camming.
Most people either dry fire the snot out of them or do a trigger job.
There are all kinds of parts available.
This guy makes some DIY kits that have great reviews on a forum I frequent
www.cajungunworks.com (//http://)
Enjoy it.
You won't be disappointed. Something to look for would be a Kadet conversion kit for it. I don't have any personal experience with them, but from what I've read, they are quite reliable and accurate. With the kit, you can do vastly more shooting for your dollar with the same grip and trigger.
Quote from: cupcake on January 30, 2012, 04:12:06 PM
After we trained the Team guys today, I shot another video of my boy. This time with a Glock 19, some of the drills were from concealed carry.
....
Please excuse the ignorance - what's the real-world application of the drill where he advances, draws, and continues to advance while firing?
In my no-defensive-firearms-training-yet mind, all I can think is "If the threat is enough for you to draw and fire, why the hell would you get closer?"
@ DucPainter - some have mentioned the gritty trigger in reviews. I am planning on disassmble the gun and doing a poor man's trigger job - few hundred dry fires and light sanding of the trigger moving parts to rid of rough edges and imperfections.
@ WarrenJ - That's definitely a possibility. I am sure the Wife would want to try it out with a .22, once she warms up to the idea of having a gun. :)
The Kadet adapters aren't cheap, but there's one on my list.
Quote from: Goat_Herder on January 31, 2012, 11:59:23 AM
@ DucPainter - some have mentioned the gritty trigger in reviews. I am planning on disassmble the gun and doing a poor man's trigger job - few hundred dry fires and light sanding of the trigger moving parts to rid of rough edges and imperfections.
@ WarrenJ - That's definitely a possibility. I am sure the Wife would want to try it out with a .22, once she warms up to the idea of having a gun. :)
No offense but be careful messing with the sear and other trigger parts if this is a first time effort for you. I'm no rookie but I tend to leave that work to the experts. You obviously don't want to make the weapon unsafe and on a carry gun you really don't want a real light trigger. Clean, smooth and un-gritty? Sure.
Your described "clean up" is fine. Just saying be conservative in your removal of metal. Dry fire the shit out of it with some snap caps. That and live fire usually gives you a nice trigger job.
Good choice on the handgun. I have a couple of older CZ75s and I love them. [thumbsup] [bacon] Let us know how you like it once you it get some serious range time on it. [popcorn]
Quote from: fastwin on January 31, 2012, 01:28:29 PM
No offense but be careful messing with the sear and other trigger parts if this is a first time effort for you. I'm no rookie but I tend to leave that work to the experts. You obviously don't want to make the weapon unsafe and on a carry gun you really don't want a real light trigger. Clean, smooth and un-gritty? Sure.
Your described "clean up" is fine. Just saying be conservative in your removal of metal. Dry fire the shit out of it with some snap caps. That and live fire usually gives you a nice trigger job.
Good choice on the handgun. I have a couple of older CZ75s and I love them. [thumbsup] [bacon] Let us know how you like it once you it get some serious range time on it. [popcorn]
by no means I will be doing any modification to the trigger. Cleaning up is the extend of my so-called "trigger job". the intend is to make it smoother. From what I've read, it will probably require nothing more than just dry firing or a few hundred rounds at the range. Also some had suggested applying pressure with your thumb to the hammer while pulling the trigger in DA (with an unloaded gun, of course).
Quote from: ducpainter on January 31, 2012, 12:14:42 PM
The Kadet adapters aren't cheap, but there's one on my list.
They pay for themselves with use. I have been shooting a LOT more 22 lately..
Quote from: Goat_Herder on January 31, 2012, 01:42:34 PM
by no means I will be doing any modification to the trigger. Cleaning up is the extend of my so-called "trigger job". the intend is to make it smoother. From what I've read, it will probably require nothing more than just dry firing or a few hundred rounds at the range. Also some had suggested applying pressure with your thumb to the hammer while pulling the trigger in DA (with an unloaded gun, of course).
Cool. Again, didn't mean sound out of line. Sounds like a great plan. Have fun breaking it in! [thumbsup] You'll love it. By your description it seems to fill all your needs. Buy ammo, maybe a holster and just shoot it!! [popcorn] [beer]
Thanks for looking out for me, fastwin. [thumbsup]
Cool. Roger that. I think you made a good choice with the CZ. There is a damn good reason that Tanfoglio in Italy have duped the CZ pistol design. Something about imitation being the sincerest form of flattery... that's the case here. How many IPSC race guns built on Tanfoglio frames and slides do you need to prove that CZs are the cat's meow!! [thumbsup] [popcorn] [bacon] [bow_down]
CCW permit arrived via mail yesterday... time to go shopping.
Sweet!!! Congrats on earning the privilege. [thumbsup] [clap]
What are you thinking about? Inquiring (read: nosey [laugh]) minds want to know. [popcorn]
Quote from: fastwin on February 04, 2012, 01:45:48 PM
Sweet!!! Congrats on exercising your right. [thumbsup] [clap]
What are you thinking about? Inquiring (read: nosey [laugh]) minds want to know. [popcorn]
Fixed it for ya!
[thumbsup]
Indeed! Thanks. [thumbsup] [beer]
Quote from: fastwin on February 04, 2012, 01:45:48 PM
Sweet!!! Congrats on earning the privilege. [thumbsup] [clap]
What are you thinking about? Inquiring (read: nosey [laugh]) minds want to know. [popcorn]
Quote from: rgramjet on February 04, 2012, 01:59:53 PM
Fixed it for ya!
[thumbsup]
Quote from: fastwin on February 04, 2012, 02:02:08 PM
Indeed! Thanks. [thumbsup] [beer]
I just came in from building some test loads with a new powder...
so I'm not anti gun.
I am tired of baby games from supposed adults.
We don't do gun law...
or the constitution...
and you both know that.
Quote from: fastwin on February 04, 2012, 01:45:48 PM
What are you thinking about? Inquiring (read: nosey [laugh]) minds want to know. [popcorn]
For now, a sub-compact DA with a slim frame and a decent capacity. Glock 27, Ruger SR9c, etc... I'm in a postion where I can conceal under a light jacket or a sportcoat on the job, so other than an a full-size or a wide, hi-capacity compact I'm probably OK.
I ruled out 1911-style action because I don't trust myself to manipulate the controls properly in a pressure situation without first undergoing substantial training. I'll get there eventually, but I'm not there yet.
I also ruled out the pocket gun "carry a lot, shoot a little" crowd - Ruger P3AT / PF9, LCP380 because none of them really felt controlable during firing... the small size and lack of weight had follow-up shots flying all over the paper. I think this would be overcome with practice and training as well, but, again, I'm not there yet.
Good thinking! [thumbsup]
Quote from: dropstharockalot on February 06, 2012, 06:08:07 AM
For now, a sub-compact DA with a slim frame and a decent capacity. Glock 27, Ruger SR9c, etc... I'm in a postion where I can conceal under a light jacket or a sportcoat on the job, so other than an a full-size or a wide, hi-capacity compact I'm probably OK.
I ruled out 1911-style action because I don't trust myself to manipulate the controls properly in a pressure situation without first undergoing substantial training. I'll get there eventually, but I'm not there yet.
I also ruled out the pocket gun "carry a lot, shoot a little" crowd - Ruger P3AT / PF9, LCP380 because none of them really felt controlable during firing... the small size and lack of weight had follow-up shots flying all over the paper. I think this would be overcome with practice and training as well, but, again, I'm not there yet.
I've got an SR9c and really like it.
I plan to carry it (paperwork is filled out, just haven't had time to take it in)
It's reasonable from a weight and size standpoint, the small mag holds 10 and the large one holds 17. I think you could carry it with either mag and conceal it well enough.
I had it out last night just to fondle it. I really need to get some range time in :P
Quote from: Monsterlover on February 06, 2012, 08:18:40 AM
I've got an SR9c and really like it.
I plan to carry it (paperwork is filled out, just haven't had time to take it in)
It's reasonable from a weight and size standpoint, the small mag holds 10 and the large one holds 17. I think you could carry it with either mag and conceal it well enough.
I had it out last night just to fondle it. I really need to get some range time in :P
May I ask what you paid?
Most of the shops around here have them stickered just under $400, and I've seen these
not selling for $350 NIB on auction sites... after shipping, tax and FFLs that's basically four bills.
Quote from: dropstharockalot on February 06, 2012, 08:26:20 AM
May I ask what you paid?
Most of the shops around here have them stickered just under $400, and I've seen these not selling for $350 NIB on auction sites... after shipping, tax and FFLs that's basically four bills.
Boy, I can't remember. More than that. I checked the website and they list the MSRP as $529. I think I paid $450 or so.
Great gun for $400, sounds like a deal.
Don't have a Ruger SR9c (but I do have a Ruger LCP "mouse gun" [thumbsup]) but I bet it's a good one! ML can vouch for them. The Glock 26/27s are great too. A little thick but not too much so. I've got medium size hands so fat boys like Glock 20/21s are a handful (yes, pun intended! [laugh]) but they are too big to hide in carry mode anyway on an average sized person. But the 26/27 class pistols are fine. If you seriously consider a 26/27 Glock go with the magazine "finger lip" extensions offered by aftermarket folks. So equipped the pistols are easier to control when shooting and they take nothing away in concealability. I also have the factory "finger lip" magazines for the little LCP and it makes a big difference in fire control.
Good luck with the pistol hunt! [popcorn]
Any suggestions for removing the anodizing from a stripped AR lower? I need to take it back to bare aluminum. I have read that Easy Off oven cleaner works, but that was from a guy on a bike forum removing decorative anodizing, not hard anodizing. Has anyone successfully done this?
Sorry Z, no help. Just curious, why are you taking it down to the metal? [popcorn]
Quote from: fastwin on February 06, 2012, 06:48:32 PM
Sorry Z, no help. Just curious, why are you taking it down to the metal? [popcorn]
+1
Anodizing is part of the surface so you actually remove metal to do it.
A guy on another Duc board built a home anodizing kit, and my wife wants a rather colorful AR. I was hoping I could use one of my lowers instead of trying to find one in the white. She likes the metallic look of anodized more than the duracoat look.
Update on the 1911 project. The slide has shipped, and the parts list is being put together. Looking at doing an Ed Brown bobtail.
Quote from: zach on February 06, 2012, 07:15:09 PM
A guy on another Duc board built a home anodizing kit, and my wife wants a rather colorful AR. I was hoping I could use one of my lowers instead of trying to find one in the white. She likes the metallic look of anodized more than the duracoat look.
Your local anodizer can strip it and re-anodize it for you.
Quote from: zach on February 06, 2012, 07:15:09 PM
...and my wife wants a rather colorful AR...
She saw Sons of Guns, didn't she? ;)
Quote from: DRKWNG on February 07, 2012, 02:43:27 AM
She saw Sons of Guns, didn't she? ;)
I'm pretty sure that she would be offended by the suggestion ;D No, the idea came from Vader Spade on AR-15.com
Here is a pic of his work.
(http://catie.smugmug.com/photos/i-sD4dVng/0/L/i-sD4dVng-L.jpg)
Can't see pic just a ?
Quote from: cokey on February 07, 2012, 06:13:23 AM
Can't see pic just a ?
Thanks [thumbsup] It should be fixed. I am a dunce this morning [bang]
i wouldn't strip the gun to do that. look into a baked on coating like Lauers Duracoat. plenty of colors too. it is absurdly durable.
I've used it to coat heads and cylinders on Ducatis with great success.
I called an anodizer and asked what to do. They use Sodium Hydroxide to strip mistakes off, and that just happens to be what Easy Off is. He recommended soaking it in liquid drano which is apparently the same stuff.
This was after spraying it down, waiting 5 minutes, then wiping off.
(http://catie.smugmug.com/photos/i-Qv8ThvF/0/O/i-Qv8ThvF.jpg)
AR: Cool. Guess that's why that stuff kicks ass on oven grunge! [thumbsup] What color does she want?
1911: Never shot one of the Ed Brown Bobtails. Should be an interesting project. Did I ever ask the caliber question?
The 1911 will be .45. I have no idea what color the AR will end up being. We will experiment on bar stock first. Then it will be engraved, anodized, and a form 1 sent in.
I wouldn't have bothered removing the anodized layer. Duracoat is far superior in every way to anodizing and all you'd need to do is scuff it a little with 0000
Quote from: ducatiz on February 07, 2012, 01:49:33 PM
I wouldn't have bothered removing the anodized layer. Duracoat is far superior in every way to anodizing and all you'd need to do is scuff it a little with 0000
You can do a lot with ano. Maybe he wants to something funky.
I'll agree that Duracoat is more durable, but you can do some amazing stuff with ano.
Here are two paintball guns I had anoed over ten years ago. They still look like new and haven't faded one bit. Ano that has faded is bad ano. High quality stuff wont.
(http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac51/rllout/rolloutvikings/rolloutvikings001.jpg)
dam you Zach. Now get to anodizing so I can come over and do mine.
Quote from: DucNaked on February 07, 2012, 03:41:18 PM
You can do a lot with ano. Maybe he wants to something funky.
I'll agree that Duracoat is more durable, but you can do some amazing stuff with ano.
Here are two paintball guns I had anoed over ten years ago. They still look like new and haven't faded one bit. Ano that has faded is bad ano. High quality stuff wont.
those look pretty cool. Duracoat is easier to work with. No chemical baths and no special setup, apply like paint and bake it on.
(http://www.riflemanconsulting.com/files/CA-_Eastern_Predator_Dura_Coat.jpg)
(http://gunholsters.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/duracoat-pink-camo.jpg)
If duracoat came in metallic then I would have used it [thumbsup] Sometimes the easiest path in life is to just give your wife something shiny.
Quote from: zach on February 08, 2012, 05:55:58 AM
If duracoat came in metallic then I would have used it [thumbsup] Sometimes the easiest path in life is to just give your wife something shiny.
Yeah, limited options there. I've used Aluma-Hyde for that.
Quote from: zach on February 08, 2012, 05:55:58 AM
Sometimes the easiest path in life is to just give your wife something shiny.
Well said. [thumbsup] But I have managed to even fail with that simple truism in the past. I'm obviously doing it wrong. [laugh]
Quote from: fastwin on February 08, 2012, 08:00:28 AM
Well said. [thumbsup] But I have managed to even fail with that simple truism in the past. I'm obviously doing it wrong. [laugh]
use more lube
...figuratively speaking of course.
Slide arrived [thumbsup]
(http://catie.smugmug.com/photos/i-7Jcpx9x/0/M/i-7Jcpx9x-M.jpg)
Hey guys, totally off track of what's being talked about over the past couple pages but.....
I'm in the market for a handgun for home defense/zombie deterrence, I feel like I've narrowed my choices down to either a Sig Pro 2022 or an FNP, both chambered in 9mm. Both of these have been chosen due to price, hand feel, and aesthetics. I had the chance to shoot a few sigs (239, 226, 229) and love them. I haven't had the chance to shoot an FNP though. They both seem comparable in weight and both feel pretty damn good in my hand so...
Thoughts on these two pistols?
Or other recommendations (I'd like to stay at a price point of $500 or lower)?
I'm sure Nate will chime in on this, but figured I'd neat him to the punch. CZ-75. Go hold one and you'll understand.
Quote from: DRKWNG on February 10, 2012, 03:16:13 AM
I'm sure Nate will chime in on this, but figured I'd neat him to the punch. CZ-75. Go hold one and you'll understand.
...and he can find a used one for well under his price point. ;D
New will be somewhat more.
Quote from: ducpainter on February 10, 2012, 03:56:21 AM
...and he can find a used one for well under his price point. ;D
New will be somewhat more.
Nobody around here (that I know of) sells CZs. You're gonna have to introduce me to yours at the next Dimby
Quote from: DRKWNG on February 10, 2012, 03:16:13 AM
I'm sure Nate will chime in on this, but figured I'd neat him to the punch. CZ-75. Go hold one and you'll understand.
He's in Cali and has to buy a gun off the approved list, so fewer CZs around..
Yeah, I'm in Cali and really the only CZ on the "list" is the CZ 75 and I gotta say, it's not grabbing my eye like the other 2 I mentioned.
:-\
FNP- 45 Tactical (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf1Sbzomgo4#)
I liked the old FN forty-nine despite the heavy trigger... early attempt to cash in on the glock popularity
And now for something completely different: Bug Out Bags
I don't mean to get all Y2K weird/survivalist/live in a cave BS on this thread, but my friends and I were talking over beers (naturally! [thumbsup] [beer]) recently and the topic of shit hitting the fan came up. Pick your own personal version of shit hitting the fan. [popcorn] It was just a nice, semi drunk, mental exercise in "what would you do". On a more serious, sober note I was wondering if any of you had such a kit bag/pack, what's in it and what would you like to have in it if you were putting one together? I'd love to hear what the pros/military/LE folks have to say.
I'm thinking 3-5 day bug out pack. Naturally there is the gun/self defense issue. Rifle, shotgun, pistol, magazines, ammo, basic cleaning/repair kit, mag pouches... What guns, what calibers, etc.?
Water bottles or hydration pack set up. High energy food, flashlights, 2 way radios?, cell phone?, fire starter/lighters, space blanket, sleeping bag, rain suit, small tarp, basic medical supplies, extra clothes... ah, the list could go on forever. Shit, forget the pack! I'll need my Suburban!! [laugh] [laugh] And a trailer!! [thumbsup]
And what would you carry it all in? I've looked at Blackhawk, Cheaper than Dirt, etc. and there are many good and not so good options out there.
Just wondering and thought this was a good place to ask. [popcorn]
North Face internal frame backpack. Carries very well and just looks like camping gear, not survival gear.
Quote from: duc750 on February 10, 2012, 12:29:23 PM
Yeah, I'm in Cali and really the only CZ on the "list" is the CZ 75 and I gotta say, it's not grabbing my eye like the other 2 I mentioned.
:-\
Get what you like.
I like the all steel CZ 75 platform.
Sigs are great guns from what owners I know tell me. That is of course allowing for the occasional person that won't ever be happy. ;)
Quote from: duc750 on February 10, 2012, 12:10:49 AM
Hey guys, totally off track of what's being talked about over the past couple pages but.....
I'm in the market for a handgun for home defense/zombie deterrence, I feel like I've narrowed my choices down to either a Sig Pro 2022 or an FNP, both chambered in 9mm. Both of these have been chosen due to price, hand feel, and aesthetics. I had the chance to shoot a few sigs (239, 226, 229) and love them. I haven't had the chance to shoot an FNP though. They both seem comparable in weight and both feel pretty damn good in my hand so...
Thoughts on these two pistols?
Or other recommendations (I'd like to stay at a price point of $500 or lower)?
Hi duc750. I was in the exact same place you are. I asked the same question and posted some of my experience on this thread just a few pages back. The FNP-9 and Sig P226/229 was on my list of guns to try out.
I didn't particularly like the polymer frame/steel slide combo like the 2 on your list. It just feels awkward in my hand. It's top heavy like I am handing a hammer. I love the feel of all steel gun so if I had a choice, I would choose the P226/229 over the 2.
I also wanted to stay within the $500 budget so I reludently crossed off the P226 off my list and went with the CZ 75B. Of all the 9mm I've tried, it's the most accurate and ergonomic for me. It looks fantastic (to me at least) and very reasonably priced. It's the best kept secrete of the 9mm world.
Quote from: ducpainter on February 10, 2012, 03:40:46 PM
Get what you like.
I like the all steel CZ 75 platform.
Sigs are great guns from what owners I know tell me. That is of course allowing for the occasional person that won't ever be happy. ;)
Quote from: Goat_Herder on February 10, 2012, 04:05:40 PM
Hi duc750. I was in the exact same place you are. I asked the same question and posted some of my experience on this thread just a few pages back. The FNP-9 and Sig P226/229 was on my list of guns to try out.
I didn't particularly like the polymer frame/steel slide combo like the 2 on your list. It just feels awkward in my hand. It's top heavy like I am handing a hammer. I love the feel of all steel gun so if I had a choice, I would choose the P226/229 over the 2.
I also wanted to stay within the $500 budget so I reludently crossed off the P226 off my list and went with the CZ 75B. Of all the 9mm I've tried, it's the most accurate and ergonomic for me. It looks fantastic (to me at least) and very reasonably priced. It's the best kept secrete of the 9mm world.
I like the idea of an all steel platform as well, only thing is there's really only one dealer that's relatively close to me. They don't carry CZ's and most, if not all, of the guns in my price range and 'legal' in CA seem to be polymer framed. There was a pawn shop I went to a year or so ago that had quite a bit of random used handguns, maybe I can check them out again.
My sister has a 229 .40 and I love the hell outta that gun, it's just a bit out of my price range right now.
I was kinda set on getting a .40 but the dealer said a plus P or plus P plus for the 9mm would be relatively close in stopping power?
Quote from: duc750 on February 10, 2012, 05:35:47 PM
I like the idea of an all steel platform as well, only thing is there's really only one dealer that's relatively close to me. They don't carry CZ's and most, if not all, of the guns in my price range and 'legal' in CA seem to be polymer framed. There was a pawn shop I went to a year or so ago that had quite a bit of random used handguns, maybe I can check them out again.
My sister has a 229 .40 and I love the hell outta that gun, it's just a bit out of my price range right now.
I was kinda set on getting a .40 but the dealer said a plus P or plus P plus for the 9mm would be relatively close in stopping power?
The whole debate on a 9's stopping power has been beaten to death.
Most guns can handle any SAMMI rated load.
Most guns wouldn't like a steady diet of +P+.
If you are just carrying the heavy loads...almost any gun will throw a few. ;)
Quote from: duc750 on February 10, 2012, 05:35:47 PM
I was kinda set on getting a .40 but the dealer said a plus P or plus P plus for the 9mm would be relatively close in stopping power?
my opinion is that if you're capacity-limited *cough*california*cough*, then you might as well carry a bigger round.
i have an old p226 in 9mm and i've been looking at replacing it with a p229 in 40sw (with the option to swap barrels out for 357sig).
nice thing about the p-series sigs is you can also get a 22lr kit (barrel, slide, spring, mag) for plinking... it'll pay for itself within a year of going to the range.
...admitting to not having read all posts I tend to agree with a couple of opinions:
Go with .40 S&W for stopping power
Buy used if you can and hold out for a good deal.
Bought a used Glock 23 for $400 incl. a safe and lots of ammo...
No regrets
Quote from: fastwin on February 10, 2012, 02:23:02 PM
And now for something completely different: Bug Out Bags
I joined homeprepping.com forums to learn.. watching vids on canning, dehydrating foods, etc... if the shtf while still in nyc thgh, its going to be rough..
Quote from: cokey on February 10, 2012, 07:56:11 PM
if the shtf while still in nyc thgh, its going to be rough..
My sister used to live in Hell's Kitchen.
She asked me what she should do in case of a zombie apocalypse.
My advice was to head to the nearest Duane Reade for some condoms.
Ha...
Quote from: cokey on February 10, 2012, 07:56:11 PM
I joined homeprepping.com forums to learn.. watching vids on canning, dehydrating foods, etc... if the shtf while still in nyc thgh, its going to be rough..
Most of what we eat, we grew, raised, caught or hunted. Its just good to know where your food came from. We can about 400 pints of stuff a year and dehydrate and freeze quite a bit too. We had a bumper crop of peaches this year so we dehydrated a bunch of them - good stuff! Made chili today with venison burger, canned and dehydrated tomatoes, onions, home canned chili beans, frozen peppers and a cube of homemade pesto with homemade cornbread made from leftover dehydrated sweetcorn ground into meal. All out of the garden (including the deer)
Tasty!
If you carry a .45 instead of a 9mm you need to be about .2 inches less accurate to deliver a fatal shot. Good luck with that, go with what you can shoot accurately and quickly.
When You are looking for a pistol that You are considering to be a self defense tool,find one that You can repeatedly shoot and hit Your target.Looks ,brands, calibre, ect. should all fit into that criteria,what works for someone else might not work for You. as far as stopping power, if You can't hit them You won't stop them. Hell, a .22 has stopped more problems then One might think. Until You have put several hundred rounds through a pistol, in many different materials and situations, You will not actually know what You want in a handgun. Most of Us, from what I'v read, have owned or shot dozens of pistols and found what We like. Start somewhere and find what You can work with, if You don't like it, change. As for Me, I enjoy a well built 1911 in .45, other than that the Sig .357 is nice also.....Works for Me. [thumbsup]
By far the most important part of the defensive handgun equation is YOU! You are the weapon, the gun is one of your tools. Find a reliable gun that you like and spend the time on practice with a purpose. You will then be far better off than someone with the best defensive handgun that money can buy that isn't confident or competent with it.
At least for me, competent pistol shooting is a very perishable skill. If I'm not practicing with a purpose at least weekly, I'm not as competent as I would like to be. People that shoot a little bit at the range a couple of times and then think they are good to go are dangerously fooling themselves. I try to shoot once a week and dryfire, practice drawing from concealment, mag changes, etc a couple times a week. YMMV.
If all you are currently comfortable with is a 22, it will work but practicing with it will make it easier to step up to more effective handguns. Practice,tactics,confidence and competence can make up for the tradeoffs in stopping power, carrying convenience, etc.
I approve of these last two posts. [thumbsup] ;)
The purpose of this thread is just what we've been talking about. You can call it "beating a dead horse" but the self defense caliber (9mm vs .45acp vs Louisville Slugger...) debate will rage long after we're all gone... by then it will be which particle disintegrator blaster is the best. [laugh] But the ever present truth is find what works for you, is reliable, fits your needs, you can afford it and practice with it, did I mention practice?, take some shooting courses you can afford from qualified instructors and did I mention practice?
Yes the caliber is important but you the shooter is the most important X factor. I'd take my Ruger MKII .22 to a gun fight if the other guy sucks. I don't care if he has a SAW, 1911 or 12 gauge scattergun. As John Wayne would say "bold talk pilgrim" but the point is you and your actions will always be the most important element in case shit hits the fan.
I have several flavors of handguns, rifles and shotguns. OK... I have some minor gun/ammo hoarding issues. I consider it a blessing and one of my best qualities. ;D But having lots of hardware means squat if you don't practice, stay efficient and have the right mindset. That's not me talking, that same sentiment comes from every professional instructor I have ever met and taken classes from. I'm just repeating what they have said for years. I believe DRKWNG would back me up on that. [popcorn]
Lastly and more importantly I can now not stop thinking about Warren's chili!! [bang] It's cold outside and the thought of chili will not go away! Damn you. [bacon] [laugh]
Who?
Live fire vehicle bailout drills.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/718f81e3.mp4 (http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/718f81e3.mp4)
Don't know if I'd want to be falling back from down range during a live fire drill unless I was working with pros. Not that I am a pro by any means... I'd just want everone else on the range to be. ;D No offense to the shooters in the vid and I certainly saw nothing wrong. In an exercise I'd just want that cover fire to commence after I passed by. That's the civilian in me talking. [popcorn] ;)
I've done lots of room/house clearing drills but only did one vehicle exit drill years ago at Thunder Ranch. It was fun, useful and gave you a whole hell of a lot to think about. Not something you ever really get to practice. My neighbors would be concerned if they saw me working on this in the driveway. [laugh]
No worries, my young pipe hitters.are well trained by me. Cover fire is used when your back is to the threat, it's useless to wait for the other shooter to get to you before you start engaging.
[thumbsup] Understood. Just thinking drill vs real thing makes a difference. But if everyone is well known on the team and trains together on a regular basis then it's completely different than being in a typical weekend tact class and thrown together with a group of unknown shooters. Been in that scenario at classes. Great sometimes, scary in others. Good to shoot with a class for a couple of days before you get in a live shoot and move drill. You know what I'm saying.
Still, the vehicle exit drill is one not covered often enough. Standard issue civilians (like me)rarely even think about that possibility. Again, hard to find a range or facility set up for that drill and a staff/owner willing to do it. Hey... mind if we borrow your car for a few minutes? [laugh] [popcorn]
CQB run from Friday
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/07e5da3b.mp4 (http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/07e5da3b.mp4)
Reminds me of the original Terminator indoor shoot house at Thunder Ranch. There was an overhead catwalk where instructors could follow you or teams through the facility and observe or video. Neat stuff. [thumbsup]
What's used in the shorty shotgun on the door breachings? Bird? Buck? Something else?
Hatton rounds
Quote from: cupcake on February 11, 2012, 02:45:33 PM
CQB run from Friday
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/07e5da3b.mp4 (http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/07e5da3b.mp4)
Looks like some Batt boys
Quote from: cupcake on February 11, 2012, 03:02:20 PM
Hatton rounds
Heard of them but I've never used them. [thumbsup] I usually have my keys on me! [laugh]
Quote from: fastwin on February 11, 2012, 03:52:14 PM
Heard of them but I've never used them. [thumbsup] I usually have my keys on me! [laugh]
They will defeat 'most' IDL's on the first shot.
Odd discussion today at the local shop...
Three months ago when I was first starting my CCW search, every store I visited had everything I could have possibly considered owning. Over the past two to three weeks, I have noticed far fewer options on the shelves... and questions about when they could possibly be adding to their inventory are usually met with an explanation about how much difficulty the store is having in acquiring replacements. Today, one shopkeep actually used the word "shortage."
is this a normal, post-holiday thing? Do the manufacturers tend to cycle down production during the months when most people are staying in and paying of Xmas bills?
Anyone else noticing this in their area?
Quote from: dropstharockalot on February 11, 2012, 04:03:38 PM
Odd discussion today at the local shop...
Three months ago when I was first starting my CCW search, every store I visited had everything I could have possibly considered owning. Over the past two to three weeks, I have noticed far fewer options on the shelves... and questions about when they could possibly be adding to their inventory are usually met with an explanation about how much difficulty the store is having in acquiring replacements. Today, one shopkeep actually used the word "shortage."
is this a normal, post-holiday thing? Do the manufacturers tend to cycle down production during the months when most people are staying in and paying of Xmas bills?
Anyone else noticing this in their area?
Big time with ammo, ar's and hi cap magazines about 4 years ago......
Quote from: dropstharockalot on February 11, 2012, 04:03:38 PM
Odd discussion today at the local shop...
Three months ago when I was first starting my CCW search, every store I visited had everything I could have possibly considered owning. Over the past two to three weeks, I have noticed far fewer options on the shelves... and questions about when they could possibly be adding to their inventory are usually met with an explanation about how much difficulty the store is having in acquiring replacements. Today, one shopkeep actually used the word "shortage."
is this a normal, post-holiday thing? Do the manufacturers tend to cycle down production during the months when most people are staying in and paying of Xmas bills?
Anyone else noticing this in their area?
SHOT Show just ended. Most related companies have to get back into the swing of things after.
While out and about yesterday took a look at the Ruger SR 556. (Ruger's version of a flat top ar)
Anyone have one? How do you like it?
Quote from: duc750 on February 10, 2012, 05:35:47 PM
I was kinda set on getting a .40 but the dealer said a plus P or plus P plus for the 9mm would be relatively close in stopping power?
Practice and perfect head shots and use a 22 or pretty much anything.
Just finished my form 4 for my first suppressor yesterday- got to shoot a couple also. Pretty cool.
I'm thinking about dumping my P22 for a G17 and a .22 conversion kit. A buddy that's an instructor has an Advantage Arms kit that he recommends, but does anyone have any experience with the TSG conversion?
The Advantage kit needs a threaded barrel upgrade for $100 or so, where the TSG comes threaded (for suppressor use).
I have heard great things about AA. [thumbsup] I inherited a .22 conversion Ciener kit for G19/23s... long story. Still haven't used it yet. But when I looked into Ciener on the internet to get an idea of it's value everyone and their uncle did nothing but pregnant dog about what a total asshole he is and everyone associated with his company. Lots of problems on every front. One guy even drove to their offices (he lived semi-nearby) because he had a problem that they would not even attempt to solve and they tried to lock him out and they all got into a verbal pissing match. Not good business practice. Makes me feel funny even owning the kit. :P
But, on the positive side of that was all the good stuff everyone said about Advantage Arms. Personally, I have heard of Ciener (conversions and suppressors) for years but not AA. If I had to spend my $$ today and didn't have the Ciener I'd spring for the AA kit. [popcorn] [bacon]
On a side note, how the hell does anyone stay in business when they act like Ciener and have the reputation they have? In this day of the world wide web that kind of nonsense spreads well, world wide in a matter of minutes. Knowing now what I read about Ciener I would have never bought their kit. I ended up with it but didn't actually pay for it with my own money. Now I feel weird even calling to order an extra magazine. [roll] Am I the next guy on their list to make the beast with two backs over?
Adcor 10.5" piston upper. Discuss...
Cool beans!
http://www.adcorindustries.com/wordpress/ (http://www.adcorindustries.com/wordpress/)
Never shot a gas piston AR platform weapon. Advantages over old school ARs?
Quote from: fastwin on February 12, 2012, 11:08:45 AM
Cool beans!
http://www.adcorindustries.com/wordpress/ (http://www.adcorindustries.com/wordpress/)
Never shot a gas piston AR platform weapon. Advantages over old school ARs?
no crap being dumped into your receiver and therefore wider cleaning intervals and less wear on the bolt carrier
adjustable rate of fire (depending on the adjustment available)
It depends on the design. The FAL style have adjustable gas settings, but the Daewoo style don't, just on and off.
The direct impingement gas setup in the AR is the biggest flaw in the design though.
That's what I thought but wasn't sure. Have too much $$$ in old school ARs but I would consider a piston gun if I needed a new one.
Well considering Eugene Stoner went to work for ArmaLite in the mid 50s and started the AR10, etc. designs at that time he might as well as designed me too given my age. [laugh] I probably should stick with what I know and stay with the original AR platform guns. [popcorn] We are, after all, the same age. [laugh]
So Zach just thought he was going to build a 1911. I have now taken over the project and decided it will be my new gun :-* I just had to promise to not paint it pink.
We hand lapped the slide to the frame yesterday.
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Now it is time to order the barrel. I can't decide if I want to go with the traditional bushing design or go with a bushingless bull barrel.
Sweeeet!
Zach in time out over the 1911 build. [laugh]
I've got a couple of bull barrel 1911s. One an "Officers" length the other a 5" full size Gov't. I'm an old fart/old school so I tend to lean toward the traditional set up. But I honestly have never had any complaints over the 2 bull barrel pistols I have.
Screw it... paint it pink! The bad guy will think you're kidding when you pull it on him and that will be his last thought! [laugh]
Blast'm while he distracted laughing. What's the window for?
Quote from: cokey on February 12, 2012, 07:36:44 PM
What's the window for?
In the grip area?
Weight savings for the user.
Money savings for the manufacturer.
That's what I figured. Thanks.. surprise I don't see it on more firearms
Quote from: cokey on February 13, 2012, 05:52:51 AM
That's what I figured. Thanks.. surprise I don't see it on more firearms
take the grips off and you will.. [thumbsup]
Interesting...
Yes, the wife gently talked me out of this particular project [laugh] I'm now looking at a 1911 in 460 Rowland.
10 bonus points for your team. ;D My wife has yet to learn the "gentle" method of talking me out of anything. [laugh] [laugh]
Hmmmm... .460 Rowland 1911. Sounds interesting. [popcorn] Just don't let the wifely unit find about the new project. ;D
http://www.clarkcustomguns.com/rowland.htm (http://www.clarkcustomguns.com/rowland.htm)
I usually carry a .44mag while offroading in CO, but really wanted something easier to conceal. 10mm was my first choice, then I found the 460 [evil]
Quote from: zach on February 13, 2012, 09:34:56 AM
Yes, the wife gently talked me out of this particular project [laugh] I'm now looking at a 1911 in 460 Rowland.
25# recoil spring, lol.. no thanks.. if i needed something like that, i'd just take a hammer to my hand...
Some of us either live or play in areas where the beasties require serious firearms.
I've had a brown bear in our yard more than once. (found tracks and scat)
Quote from: sno_duc on February 13, 2012, 11:19:32 AM
Some of us either live or play in areas where the beasties require serious firearms.
I've had a brown bear in our yard more than once. (found tracks and scat)
if you have a bear in your back yard, you need more than a pistol.
I've got a 460 Rowland kit. I worked with Mr. Rowland and Jimmy Clark on some light bullet loads. I swaged a special polymer tipped 125 grain 45 bullet we got right at 2000 fps with. I don't really like pushing that much pressure in typical semi-auto handguns - eventually something will let go no matter what kind of gimmick we use to make it seem like a good idea. I've had a couple power disassemblies of firearms - they are expensive and they hurt.
The Rowland/Clark conversion with the comp really doesn't kick that bad. Certainly nothing like a 44 or even a hot 10mm without a comp. The 125 grain loads I came up with had virtually no muzzle lift at all (go figure). Noisy!
I'll see if I have some of the bullets laying around yet and post a pic.
Quote from: sno_duc on February 13, 2012, 11:19:32 AM
Some of us either live or play in areas where the beasties require serious firearms.
I've had a brown bear in our yard more than once. (found tracks and scat)
We get lots of black bear around my family's cabin near Cimarron, NM. Had them on the front porch a few times and have had to drive them away from the Suburban by banging on a cooking pot with a metal spoon so we could leave.
The wifely unit and junior are kind of scared of them but are also drawn to them because they are really cool critters. They mean no harm, just looking for picnic baskets like Yogi the bear. ;D She insists I carry when we are out and about trout fishing. I tote my G23, they aren't that big so that's plenty of gun. I also make her and the kiddos carry those small, compressed air horns that folks use at sporting events. That way they can alert me if I don't have them in sight and it would probably scare the bear aware too.
My brother fly fishes in the back country of Alaska and he totes a .44mag on his hip. Of course he's worried about grizzlies not smaller black bears.
True Alaskas gun laws are basically nill?
Posting anything with the word "law" in it is generally a bad idea.
Someone may answer via pm, but (i hope) probably not in the thread itself.
I like the unlocked version of this thread better than the locked, worthless unusable version. . .
Quote from: Monsterlover on February 13, 2012, 03:53:30 PM
I like the unlocked version of this thread better than the locked, worthless unusable version. . .
This.
Been there, accidentally done that. Lesson learned. [thumbsup] [beer] Let's move on. No "L" word OK? Back to bears and guns. ;)
We go to Ouray Colorado every year, and I always bring a rifle and a revolver. There is a lot of bear activity there. A woman was mauled a few miles from us in 2010. Unfortunately I cannot always have a rifle at the ready while I am there, hence the need for a high power pistol. The 44 is pretty damn cumbersome, and the 460 looks like it might fill the niche that I need it to.
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A pic of some of the 125 grain bullets I made for Mr. Rowland. We did achieve 2000 fps with them. I've shot the Rowland a bit and IMHO it makes the gun work too hard with any weight bullet . The 1911 was designed around a fairly low pressure round and cheating the system with an extremely heavy recoil spring, comp and heavy wall cases just to squeak inside safe pressures is sort of spooky. You really feel the gun slamming when shooting it . Makes me nervous - and I've done some pretty extreme things with guns and reloading - maybe I'm just getting cautious in my old age.
A 4" 44 loaded with 300 - 320 hard cast bullets and a ripping load of H110 or LilGun is a far better piece of equipment for big critters you need to stop.
The one thing 200 - 230 grain 45 bullets are really bad at is penetration on game. I've killed a deer and some other critters with a 45 ACP and penetration is suprisingly shallow. Sectional density (bullets long in relation to their diameter) is what you need when shooting dangerous game. This is especially true when you don't have a lot of velocity (kinetic energy) to play with. Long heavy bullets, even at relatively low velocities will penetrate and bust bones far better than a shorter, lighter bullet at higher velocity.
So what I'm reading here is there's no replacement for displacement.
:)
44 magnums with long heavy bullets get the job done pretty well. The factory 240's are marginal in my opinion. I make a 295 grain jacketed hollowpoint that has worked well for people even on some medium African game. The 300 - 320 grain hard cast gas check bullets with a big wide blunt nose profile are what you want for larger dangerous critters. They don't stop, don't come apart and make good leaks on both sides and bust anything in between. You cannot rely on a lighter, shorter, expanding bullet at pistol velocities to get the job done. People stopping is one thing, but larger, dangerous game is quite another.
If weight is a problem, the Smith 329 Scandium frame 44 might be an option. They are very light and pretty accurate, but with any full load they are quite punishing. I came up with a load pushing a LBT 320 grain bullet at about 1000 out of it. It was just on the ragged edge of painful but still gave great penetration. 16" lever action 44 carbines are also pretty nice for that job. They are very light, handy and easier to shoot under stress - just not quite as convenient as a revolver on your hip.
Ah yes forgot boot the L word...
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Yep, if memory serves correctly, the best way to drop said bear is to take out the shoulder blades, as that will reduce their "go" by 50% and all of their steerage. No point going for a head shot, unless you're packing a 20mm anti-material weapon, as the round will likely deflect off the skull.
I shot mine through both front shoulders - it went 18" straight down. Breaking important bones is the best way to deal with larger or dangerous game. 10 yards with a 250 grain 35 Whelen.
I wouldn't have a lot of qualms about head pounding a bear if it was close as long as I had a heavy bullet with good sectional density. You do have to remember to aim a bit lower, like on the tip of the nose because a bear's skull is so flat on top.
Thanks for the inside scoop on the 460 [thumbsup] Looks like I should reconsider. Are there any alternate calibers that you would recommend for the 1911? My first choice was 10mm.
AM & I spent the weekend at a backcountry yurt a few miles walk (when we booked it in September it was supposed to be ski/snowshoe trip, but the snow had other plans) into the San Francisco Peaks near Flagstaff.
A bit after we'd gone to sleep Friday night, we were both awakened by the sound of handgun fire off in the distance -- seven shots in rapid succession, a couple of minutes pause, then another seven as fast as the shooter could pull the trigger. Most any fire ring within walking distance of a dirt road around here is surrounded with a carpet of spent brass, shotgun hulls and broken liquor bottles, so it was pretty easy to picture what was going on.
She was unnerved and wanted to call someone, but the sound was was pretty far away; I rolled over half asleep and told her "honey, seven shots means it's probably a 1911. With the price of .45 ACP, there's no way he can afford to keep that up for long." Sure enough, the night got quiet about ten minutes later.
I tried a huge variety of options trying to make my 1911 into an effective field pistol. They are a solid self defense handgun and a great competition pistol but I could find very little that gave adequate penetration with a heavy enough bullet to be effective as a short range medium game gun. I can't say how many possums and woodchucks I shot with 230 grain Federal Hydrashocks that required several shots to seal the deal - much less a bear.
I used to shoot 255 grain hardcast for bowling pins in the 1911 but you need to run heavy springs and have to do a bit if fiddling around to get them to feed properly. The main problem with the 1911 as a field gun is that you are limited in overall length by the magazine from using a long enough bullet to give effective penetration on game.
The 10mm is a fantastic cartridge held back by a lack of semi auto pistols that can handle the battering. The best to my understanding (no first hand experience) is the 10mm Witness Hunter. Perhaps a Glock with a high quality aftermarket barrel with a minimum feed ramp would be good. A couple of outfits make high quality 6" 10mm barrels for Glocks. Load the Speer 180 or 200 TMJ bullets. In testing we have done with 40 cal bullets at 10mm velocities, the 180 and 200 grain fmj bullets gave great penetration compared to other typical semi-auto compatible pistol bullets.
Set up some empirical testing on your own and get some first hand knowledge on what these cartridges and loads will actually do in your guns and senarios. A simple test is to line up water filled milk jugs and see how many your load will penetrate. Another test I do for comparison purposes is to use 1/2" MDF boards in a holder 1" apart and check penetration. It's tough to draw comparisons between mdf and tissue but at least you can get an apples to apples comparison between loads. The best media I have used is bentonite squished into a 5 gallon bucket. It works well but is REAL messy. Paper ballistics will only tell you so much - go shoot some stuff and get a real feel for what is happening. Remember "Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics"
Quote from: zach on February 14, 2012, 07:58:17 AM
Thanks for the inside scoop on the 460 [thumbsup] Looks like I should reconsider. Are there any alternate calibers that you would recommend for the 1911? My first choice was 10mm.
I've got an old Delta Elite 1911 and a G20. Don't shoot either that much these days. The 10mm was/is still a hell of a round. Don't see it sitting around gun store shelves these days. Kinda got pushed to the side by the .40S&W... as you well know. Definitely ups the horsepower over standard .45acp.
This may seem ridiculous, but I'm trying to build or buy something that I already have a holster for. It is far easier to find a gun than it is a holster [bang]
I'm currently using a TT Gunleather IWB that I really like. I like it even better than my Milt Sparks VMII.
Quote from: zach on February 14, 2012, 12:21:22 PM
This may seem ridiculous, but I'm trying to build or buy something that I already have a holster for. It is far easier to find a gun than it is a holster [bang]
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
I was just saying this the other day! LOL
just shot the Beretta CX4.....loved it! now converting my AR to a 300 from 223.
Oh, here's a shot of my 8 year old nephew with a Bersa 380 at about 35 feet. He's freakin good already.
http://s433.photobucket.com/albums/qq53/montey2005/?action=view¤t=bf4a8842.mp4 (http://s433.photobucket.com/albums/qq53/montey2005/?action=view¤t=bf4a8842.mp4)
Someone on here mentioned Beretta Cougars the other day... I just fondled one while browsing the local shop, and it seemed like a solid option. It was a .40 cal version, had a small 'carry' clip and an extended second clip... stickered for $479, but the local guy has a reputation for making decent deals if you'll pay cash.
Does anyone have any FHE they'd like to share?
///edit...
I think it was the "D" model, the 'mini' Cougar.
Quote from: muskrat on February 18, 2012, 02:49:47 PM
just shot the Beretta CX4.....loved it! now converting my AR to a 300 from 223.
Oh, here's a shot of my 8 year old nephew with a Bersa 380 at about 35 feet. He's freakin good already.
http://s433.photobucket.com/albums/qq53/montey2005/?action=view¤t=bf4a8842.mp4 (http://s433.photobucket.com/albums/qq53/montey2005/?action=view¤t=bf4a8842.mp4)
I was wondering how that cx4 was for you.
That ones high on my list.
Quote from: muskrat on February 18, 2012, 02:49:47 PM
just shot the Beretta CX4.....loved it! now converting my AR to a 300 from 223.
Oh, here's a shot of my 8 year old nephew with a Bersa 380 at about 35 feet. He's freakin good already.
http://s433.photobucket.com/albums/qq53/montey2005/?action=view¤t=bf4a8842.mp4 (http://s433.photobucket.com/albums/qq53/montey2005/?action=view¤t=bf4a8842.mp4)
8yo with a Bersa 380-- 25-30 feet?
Those guns are really underrated for the price point.
Quote from: Monsterlover on February 18, 2012, 04:49:17 PM
I was wondering how that cx4 was for you.
That ones high on my list.
LOVE IT!!!!!!!! Smooth trigger and easy to take down and clean, almost childish.
Quote from: ducatiz on February 18, 2012, 05:41:34 PM
8yo with a Bersa 380-- 25-30 feet?
Those guns are really underrated for the price point.
I couldn't agree more. To me it's a cheaper Beretta. I bought the Thunder 380 to carry in the truck at all times and for the price I wont cry if I drop it or it gets scratched.
Anyone reload for .223?
If so do you have any info on Hornady 60 gr HP.
I'm looking for bullet length.
Actual bullet length or overall loaded cartridge length, or length from cartridge base to bullet ogive?
Quote from: WarrenJ on February 20, 2012, 10:37:22 AM
Actual bullet length or overall loaded cartridge length, or length from cartridge base to bullet ogive?
Actual bullet length Warren.
I'm wanting to load some Nosler 60 gr Partitions, and I have data for Hornady V-Max and HP for two different powders I want to use (read already own).
I'd feel better being able to compare bullet length so seating depth would be the same.
I can't find any oal data on the 60 grain Hornady and I don't have any on the shelf. I have the 60 grain partitions and part boxes of every other 224 bullet imaginable but no Hornady hollowpoints.
Quote from: WarrenJ on February 20, 2012, 01:29:26 PM
I can't find any oal data on the 60 grain Hornady and I don't have any on the shelf. I have the 60 grain partitions and part boxes of every other 224 bullet imaginable but no Hornady hollowpoints.
Figures. [laugh]
I can't find data on the Hornady either.
Thanks for looking.
Holy S! 3 pin punches, a maple cutting board and a nail set destroyed trying to get the tapered pins out of the front sight on my AR. Eventually drove the thing over to my local gun smith and handed it over in defeat.
Five more minutes and Im sure i would have done irreversible harm to the barrell, sight or both. I realize Brownells has the cut out hockey puck dohicky.....just didnt have one handy.
Quote from: rgramjet on February 21, 2012, 05:50:12 AM
Holy S! 3 pin punches, a maple cutting board and a nail set destroyed trying to get the tapered pins out of the front sight on my AR. Eventually drove the thing over to my local gun smith and handed it over in defeat.
Five more minutes and Im sure i would have done irreversible harm to the barrell, sight or both. I realize Brownells has the cut out hockey puck dohicky.....just didnt have one handy.
were you using brass punches by any chance?
Did you heat them?
My guess is the mag-oxide coating was applied after assembly and glued them in place somewhat.
Quote from: rgramjet on February 21, 2012, 05:50:12 AM
Holy S! 3 pin punches, a maple cutting board and a nail set destroyed trying to get the tapered pins out of the front sight on my AR. Eventually drove the thing over to my local gun smith and handed it over in defeat.
Is it a S&W M&P? A friend had to use a shop press to get some out for a customer.
Quote from: ducatiz on February 21, 2012, 05:59:18 AM
were you using brass punches by any chance?
Did you heat them?
My guess is the mag-oxide coating was applied after assembly and glued them in place somewhat.
There's no way a brass punch could have held up to the kind of mojo I was hitting the things with. Hardened starter punch, deformed. Pin punches broke. Nail set, broke. My wife is pissed because there is an fsb imprint on a nice cutting board. Tacticool ain't easy sometimes!
I thought about heat but thought sheer brute force would do it.....alas.
The pins matched the rest of the coating perfectly so I think you are correct.
It's a Stag Arms upper.
Quote from: rgramjet on February 21, 2012, 07:59:49 AM
There's no way a brass punch could have held up to the kind of mojo I was hitting the things with. Hardened starter punch, deformed. Pin punches broke. Nail set, broke. My wife is pissed because there is an fsb imprint on a nice cutting board. Tacticool ain't easy sometimes!
I thought about heat but thought sheer brute force would do it.....alas.
The pins matched the rest of the coating perfectly so I think you are correct.
It's a Stag Arms upper.
Some of those pins are heat set. The part is warmed up and then a cold pin driven in. That combined with the coating means they don't come out easily. I've had one do the same thing, I ended up drilling a pilot in the middle with a tiny bit. This relieved enough pressure on the outside so that it collapsed some and came out. It took work.
Some things shouldn't be so damn hard. Whether it's guns, scooters, fishing or life. [bang] [roll] [bacon] Tip: get the wifely unit a new cutting board. New cutting board = bonus kitchen points! [thumbsup] [beer]
Quote from: WarrenJ on February 20, 2012, 01:29:26 PM
I can't find any oal data on the 60 grain Hornady and I don't have any on the shelf. I have the 60 grain partitions and part boxes of every other 224 bullet imaginable but no Hornady hollowpoints.
FYI...got an answer from someone that had some... .807
Finally took the plunge... NIB Kahr CW9, $380 from the local store guys who were ultra-patient with my n00b questions. After the amount of time they spent with me, I couldn't go internet auction site just to undercut them by fifteen bucks. With the ITWB holster and rounds I was out the door for around $430. I've also got keyed lockboxes on the way for the cars, desk, and nightstand, so that was about another hundo. I also need a cleaning kit, but that's incidental.
No pics yet, but I'm guessing most er'ryone here has seen the Kahrs. Hopefully I can find some range time this weekend.
Does anyone have new weapon break-in knowledge to share?
Quote from: dropstharockalot on February 22, 2012, 06:26:05 PM
Finally took the plunge... NIB Kahr CW9, $380 from the local store guys who were ultra-patient with my n00b questions. After the amount of time they spent with me, I couldn't go internet auction site just to undercut them by fifteen bucks. With the ITWB holster and rounds I was out the door for around $430. I've also got keyed lockboxes on the way for the cars, desk, and nightstand, so that was about another hundo. I also need a cleaning kit, but that's incidental.
Kahr recommends shooting the gun a lot to break it in, but I haven't found that to be vital. if you can run thru a box with no jam or stovepipes then it's ready to go. I have the same gun and I love it. I also have the older E9 which used to be their "economical" version of their K9 steel frame 9. They cut some corners with the CW9 but I think those corners were fine to cut -- the polygonal barrel isn't necessary in that type of gun, you lose 0.001% of accuracy and the cuts on the slide are fine with me with the roll marked logo instead of a laser cut one. It's the gun they should have made in the first place and that price is excellent, you got a deal.
I shot a few rounds out of one of mine, stripped it and found a number of small plastic burrs on some of the parts. I carefully removed them and the gun ran flawlessly from then on. The other ones I had worked great right out of the box. Burn at least 250 rounds through it before being at all concerned if it hiccups.
Do a fair amount of dry firing to get used to that trigger. Pick an aiming point and keep the front sight on the target all the way through the trigger stroke. If your sights are wavering on the target, the bullet is going to waver worse. Practice with a purpose.
You have a great pistol - don't get discouraged if your accuracy isn't were you think it needs to be right away. Shooting small, light handguns takes a bit more dedicated practice to master. Spend your resources on ammunition, instruction and practice time, not on additional gadgets. A good holster you are comfortable with, some extra mags, maybe a mag pouch, a small high quality flashlight and a positive mental attitude and you should be good to go!
Congrats! Great advice in the last two posts. I have nothing more to offer. Have fun with it! [thumbsup]
Thx all.
Formal instruction looks like it is on hold until summer when the local Conservation Club opens back up... the indoor ranges around here don't offer anything. I've gotten in touch with a local certified instructor, but our schedules don't match up until spring.
In the interim, I'm browsing YouTube for instructional vids... I'm also very open to reading more about shooting basics/form/techniques, CC practices, safety etc if anyone wants to recommend titles.
Thanks again.
Quote from: dropstharockalot on February 23, 2012, 08:15:50 AM
Thx all.
Formal instruction looks like it is on hold until summer when the local Conservation Club opens back up... the indoor ranges around here don't offer anything. I've gotten in touch with a local certified instructor, but our schedules don't match up until spring.
In the interim, I'm browsing YouTube for instructional vids... I'm also very open to reading more about shooting basics/form/techniques, CC practices, safety etc if anyone wants to recommend titles.
Thanks again.
pick up some snap caps and practice dry firing, Elvis style.
You can practice your grip, sighting and trigger that way.
Watch all of hickok45 vids on youtube.. a lot of good info plus fun..
Scootch00 channel is also good. Plus in the related vid section you'll find more..
On line goodies are everywhere. Just start with a google search for "thunder ranch videos". Clint Smith is a great no bullshit instructor and he offers some DVDs on concealed carry, defensive handgun, etc.
http://www.thunderranchinc.com/store.html (http://www.thunderranchinc.com/store.html)
All the DVDs in the world can never make up for live fire instruction from a good, qualified instructor... but you already know that! [thumbsup] Save up your money and do some research on who teaches in your area. Lots of good instructors don't have a permanent, fixed location range... like Louis Awerbuck/Yavapai Firearms Academy.
http://www.yfainc.com/ (http://www.yfainc.com/)
I have been lucky that Awerbuck has come through the Dallas/Ft. Worth many times in the past but I also have had to travel to his and other instructor's schools. Yeah, it costs some coin but it was always worth it!
Picked up an Accu-Match Stainless Steel Match grade barrel in .400 CorBon for my 5" SA 1911GI... Can't wait to shoot it.
The 400 Corbon is a pretty neat cartridge. As long as you stay with the lighter 10mm bullets, you can meet 10mm performance without beating up your gun. I did a lot of ballistic testing and bullet expansion testing with bullets in that range and the Speer 155 Golddot really performed exceptionally well. Great accuracy and tremendous terminal performance without coming apart.
AR Barrel, Bent.
[bang] [bang]
[bang]
Quote from: WarrenJ on February 23, 2012, 11:32:15 AM
The 400 Corbon is a pretty neat cartridge. As long as you stay with the lighter 10mm bullets, you can meet 10mm performance without beating up your gun. I did a lot of ballistic testing and bullet expansion testing with bullets in that range and the Speer 155 Golddot really performed exceptionally well. Great accuracy and tremendous terminal performance without coming apart.
Excellent! Thank you for this. i'm going to start rolling my own since commercial loads are so bloody expensive, and this is just the kind of stuff I need. anymore wisdom you can impart on this load?
Quote from: rgramjet on February 23, 2012, 11:48:05 AM
AR Barrel, Bent.
[bang] [bang]
[bang]
How'd you do that?
Over the years having a bent barrel has never been viewed as a positive occurrence. [bang]
Weren't you just trying to get the front sight assembly off and threw in the towel and handed it over to a 'smith? Did they bend it or are they saying you did during the cutting board destruction session? Not trying to be funny here, just wondering. Either way, I'm really sorry. :P
[popcorn]
Quote from: rgramjet on February 23, 2012, 11:48:05 AM
AR Barrel, Bent.
[bang] [bang]
[bang]
Bent where?
SBR time?
I might be able to see you a moderately used 16" KAC barrel. Only catch is, you'll have to guy the BCG as well.
He asked me how big a hammer I used........16oz framing hammer. I didn't realize how malleable a hammer forged barrel is.......wtf.
I'm smelling sketchiness........will report back after I meet with him tomorrow. Grrrrrr.
Again, sorry for the bad news. IF you screwed it up and not them it's always hard to take. I feel your pain. I hate it when I screw stuff up... and it does happen. Often. [bang] [bang] Just ask my wife. ;) [laugh]
I am looking for a nice, custom, small shop 1911. I know several manufacturers make custom gun models, etc. Many that want to buy a "tricked out" 1911 buy a Wilson Combat gun. I've shot several. Just another modified 1911 gun.
Does anyone have any first hand experience with Predator Tactical? I am a contributing member of the Loan Survivor Foundation which is where I came across this small shop outfit.
Here is the gun I am looking at:
http://www.predatortactical.com/Night-Shrike-p304.html (http://www.predatortactical.com/Night-Shrike-p304.html)
I am (and never have been) interested in full-size firearms. The element of concealment far supersedes that of "showing" you have a gun.
I've always felt that open carry is for those that need protection and need to flaunt a gun. <sight>
http://www.cylinder-slide.com/index.php?app=ccp0&ns=prodshow&ref=CS00053&sid=0u30720a86pdlm7604d2bxg0q5m15kh8 (http://www.cylinder-slide.com/index.php?app=ccp0&ns=prodshow&ref=CS00053&sid=0u30720a86pdlm7604d2bxg0q5m15kh8)
Cylinder and Slide makes the Adventurer compact 1911's - Bill and Chris do a great job.
School me. What makes these 1911's worth or cost so much? I'm a noob in the gun world. I realize the 1911 was a innovated game changer, but that was a hundred years ago. Again I'm not trying to start anything I just would like to know what draws people to this type of 1911 costing upwards of $3000.
Quote from: DucNaked on February 24, 2012, 12:21:32 PM
School me. What makes these 1911's worth or cost so much? I'm a noob in the gun world. I realize the 1911 was a innovated game changer, but that was a hundred years ago. Again I'm not trying to start anything I just would like to know what draws people to this type of 1911 costing upwards of $3000.
I was wondering the same thing. Seems a bit high to me too
I wouldn 't buy one either. I have a pile of 1911's and I don't think I paid any more than $600 for any of them. I have done some of my own work on them and had some custom work done but I would never drop that kind of money on one. I started shooting IPSC when the 1911 was the only game in town. I've wore out several barrels and have probably shot several hundred thousand rounds through them.
I tell new shooters that want to get involved with "combat" handguns to get a Glock. It is probably one of the easiest, most reliable, functional, affordable handguns available. Us old farts that have worked with 1911's for ever have the experience and muscle memory working for us. The 1911 can be set up with an exquisite trigger pull that just isn't possible with most other modern semi-auto pistols. Once they are set up correctly they are very solid and reliable. I think the great triggers that can be set up on a 1911 is why it has such a great reputation as a target pistol. Its legendary superior performance as a combat handgun is probably somewhat more legend than most people would like to admit.
I run 1911's because I have a vast amount of personal experience, confidence and muscle memory with them but I have taught myself to run a variety of other handguns just as competently. The Glock 19 weighs about half of a full size 1911 and carries twice the ammo. It doesn't pull your pants down on one side when you try to carry it either.
I love 1911's because I have a long history with them. Its like having a Ducati when a Suzuki makes far more sense.
Quote from: MikeZ on February 24, 2012, 12:42:17 PM
I was wondering the same thing. Seems a bit high to me too
;D
I think it might be the Grand Master Predator Tactical Technician........as soon as you see "Grand Master", double the price. That and the lifetime guarantee.
The 1911 trigger system is very simple (especialy 70 series w/o the firing pin block) so a good gunsmith can achieve 2 to 3 lb trigger pulls without any creep.
If the gunsmith takes his/her time fitting the slide, barrrel, and barrel bushing it is capable of 1" groups at 50yds.
All this takes time and gunsmith time isn't cheap.
My wifes .45 is a para framed Les Baer, 11/2 lb trigger and if you do your part it will shoot 1" groups (ragged hole) at 50yds.
+1 on Cylinder and Slide, I've got their ultra light weight hammer and sear in my Goldcup. No fitting was required and never had any problems in 10,000+ rds.
1" group at 50 yards or 50 feet? If its yards, I Want One!
The gun may be capable of that kind of accuracy but the nut holding onto the grips has to be pretty exceptional to extract that kind of functional accuracy from a handgun.
Clark Guns set up a 9mm Commander for my wife that is a tack driver also.
Quote from: rgramjet on February 24, 2012, 02:03:13 PM
1" group at 50 yards or 50 feet? If its yards, I Want One!
50 yards off a bench using sandbags, a tad bit bigger offhand. ;)
When we practice, are you familar with the USPSA cardboard targets? Sharon (Mrs. sno_duc) usually turns the upper "A" zone into a ragged hole at 20 to 25 yds. (forget taping it there's not enough cardboard left after a couple of 15 rnd magazines)
Quote from: sno_duc on February 24, 2012, 02:18:45 PM
50 yards off a bench using sandbags, a tad bit bigger
Why [bang] and no shit, most of the mag would be misses. ;)
Ran the first 100rds through the new CW9 today, and it's working as advertised... no fuss, no muss, goes bang every time, winds up within a very reasonable distance of where I'm pointing (given my inexperience, inconsistent stance and grip, and general lack of a clue, I can say this thing shoots way better out-of-the-box than I have any reasonable expectation of)... so, no complaints so far. For those of you that have a Kahr, are you using some kind of an aftermarket grip, like a Hogue slip-on or some of that sticky-side tape? My only minor gripe after two boxes is that the grip felt a tad bit thin - and when I say 'minor gripe,' that's all it is. Somewhere around 75 or 80 rounds in, I thought, "If this thing was just a teensy bit wider in my hand, it'd be awesome..."
Both of those options are pretty inexpensive and neither one is permanent, so I'll probably test one or the other out at some point. I'm just curious as to other people's experiences.
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Being a total n00b with this whole CCW thing (except for a brief and very limited period during college, so, like 200-something years ago...), it's kinda heavy on my mind. I'm either hyper-conscious of every aspect of it to the point of panic (OMG, did I just sweep the muzzle across that lady's concrete lawn goose when I re-holstered? OMG! OMG!) or I return to a normal state of mind for a brief moment and then the fact that I'm carrying a loaded firearm in a Sam's Club rushes into my head with this insane enormity (OMG! OMG! I'm carrying in f#ckin' Sam's Club! OMG!).
How long until that wears off?
I have a generic rubber slip-on hogue grip on my CW9. I felt the same way about the grip feeling "thin"
Question from a gun noob...
I have a nice AR-15 that was given to me. Trouble is, it's some match-special thing with a long stainless fluted barrel, no top rail (so the optics get in the way of pulling the slide back) and whomever built it did it in such a way it blows powder back in my face each time I fire.
What I'd like to do is to get a different upper for it. What I'd like to do even more is get a different upper that is chambered in something else.
Can I use the lower that is chambered for .223 with an upper that uses, say...7.62?
Move the optics forward on the rail.
Quote from: dropstharockalot on February 25, 2012, 04:34:06 PM
Being a total n00b with this whole CCW thing (except for a brief and very limited period during college, so, like 200-something years ago...), it's kinda heavy on my mind. I'm either hyper-conscious of every aspect of it to the point of panic (OMG, did I just sweep the muzzle across that lady's concrete lawn goose when I re-holstered? OMG! OMG!) or I return to a normal state of mind for a brief moment and then the fact that I'm carrying a loaded firearm in a Sam's Club rushes into my head with this insane enormity (OMG! OMG! I'm carrying in f#ckin' Sam's Club! OMG!).
How long until that wears off?
Just out of curiosity, and I'm not trying to be an ass, but why would you concealed carry to some place like Sam's Club?
Quote from: duc750 on February 25, 2012, 06:50:19 PM
Just out of curiosity, and I'm not trying to be an ass, but why would you concealed carry to some place like Sam's Club?
why not? Are there only certain stores/areas where a crime could occur?
Quote from: duc750 on February 25, 2012, 06:50:19 PM
Just out of curiosity, and I'm not trying to be an ass, but why would you concealed carry to some place like Sam's Club?
It's carried everywhere it can legally. (and everywhere else ;))
Quote from: TAftonomos on February 25, 2012, 06:01:48 PM
Can I use the lower that is chambered for .223 with an upper that uses, say...7.62?
you can use that lower for any round you can find an upper for and can fit the may into the lowers may well.
7.62x25 yes
7.62 x39 yes
7.62x51 no
Quote from: TAftonomos on February 25, 2012, 06:01:48 PM
Question from a gun noob...
I have a nice AR-15 that was given to me. Trouble is, it's some match-special thing with a long stainless fluted barrel, no top rail (so the optics get in the way of pulling the slide back) and whomever built it did it in such a way it blows powder back in my face each time I fire.
What I'd like to do is to get a different upper for it. What I'd like to do even more is get a different upper that is chambered in something else.
Can I use the lower that is chambered for .223 with an upper that uses, say...7.62?
Does it have a rail at all? If not, where is the optic mounted? To the "carry handle"? If so, can't really see how that would get in the way of the charging handle.
But as far as the gas blowback issue goes, give this a try:
http://www.laruetactical.com/gas-buster-charging-handle-big-latch (http://www.laruetactical.com/gas-buster-charging-handle-big-latch)
Quote from: cupcake on February 25, 2012, 06:58:15 PM
It's carried everywhere it can legally. (and everywhere else ;))
amen to that
Quote from: CayoHueso on February 25, 2012, 06:53:58 PM
why not? Are there only certain stores/areas where a crime could occur?
I dunno, but I would assume there are certain areas where it's less likely.
I'm actually looking to purchase a handgun now and if LA county offered CCWs without all the hassle I would probably have one of those also, mostly just because I could. However, I don't know that I would carry everywhere I went. I love guns and I love that we are allowed to carry I just don't know that's it's completely necessary to have a gun handy when I go for a couple rolls of toilet paper.
I guess I go back and forth with this in my head all the time. Obviously there isn't a right or wrong answer, just personal opinion and preference.
Quote from: duc750 on February 25, 2012, 08:06:12 PM
I dunno, but I would assume there are certain areas where it's less likely.
I'm actually looking to purchase a handgun now and if LA county offered CCWs without all the hassle I would probably have one of those also, mostly just because I could. However, I don't know that I would carry everywhere I went. I love guns and I love that we are allowed to carry I just don't know that's it's completely necessary to have a gun handy when I go for a couple rolls of toilet paper.
I guess I go back and forth with this in my head all the time. Obviously there isn't a right or wrong answer, just personal opinion and preference.
So, in your opinion there is a right and wrong place to carry?
Quote from: cupcake on February 25, 2012, 08:20:26 PM
So, in your opinion there is a right and wrong place to carry?
I don't know.
I guess for me, there is. I'm certainly not the guy who says "it'll never happen to me" but my odds have been good so far. Maybe it depends on risk factor? Maybe I wouldn't venture into a heavily gang populated area without a gun but I doubt I would venture into a heavily gang populated area anyway.
If someone were robbing the store you were in would you pull your gun and try to deescalate situation? And who's to say it wouldn't turn into a shoot out? Does you carrying a gun inherently make things safer or crime less likely to happen? I guess you can argue preparation but it doesn't make it less likely. I'm not too familiar with gun laws yet so I don't know what the ramifications are if your gun is fired at someone trying to rob someone else.
You/I can train ourselves on the proper usage of our gun/s but how would you train for what the other person is going, or willing, to do? I'm not convinced that even the police or military or anyone else trained in combat/enforcement can predict what someone else will do.
Again, I plan on exercising my right to purchase a handgun in the very near future so by no means am I trying to be a martyr.
Quote from: duc750 on February 25, 2012, 08:45:09 PM
I don't know.
I guess for me, there is. I'm certainly not the guy who says "it'll never happen to me" but my odds have been good so far. Maybe it depends on risk factor? Maybe I wouldn't venture into a heavily gang populated area without a gun but I doubt I would venture into a heavily gang populated area anyway.
If someone were robbing the store you were in would you pull your gun and try to deescalate situation? And who's to say it wouldn't turn into a shoot out? Does you carrying a gun inherently make things safer or crime less likely to happen? I guess you can argue preparation but it doesn't make it less likely. I'm not too familiar with gun laws yet so I don't know what the ramifications are if your gun is fired at someone trying to rob someone else.
You/I can train ourselves on the proper usage of our gun/s but how would you train for what the other person is going, or willing, to do? I'm not convinced that even the police or military or anyone else trained in combat/enforcement can predict what someone else will do.
Again, I plan on exercising my right to purchase a handgun in the very near future so by no means am I trying to be a martyr.
Smoke a bowl bro.
This is just my 2¢. If anybody thinks I've completely missed the mark on anything, feel free to call me out on it. Discussion is healthy.
Quote from: duc750 on February 25, 2012, 08:45:09 PM
I guess for me, there is. I'm certainly not the guy who says "it'll never happen to me" but my odds have been good so far. Maybe it depends on risk factor? Maybe I wouldn't venture into a heavily gang populated area without a gun but I doubt I would venture into a heavily gang populated area anyway.
If you're going to be carrying a weapon, you need to be comfortable carrying it anywhere you might go. The whole point is being prepared for a lethal force situation, and if you pair "I'll only carry when I go dangerous places" with "I don't really go dangerous places" then it seems that you'll arrive eventually at "I don't carry."
Quote from: duc750 on February 25, 2012, 08:45:09 PM
If someone were robbing the store you were in would you pull your gun and try to deescalate situation?
I don't really think you can deescalate a situation by pulling a gun. At the point you point a loaded gun at someone, deescalation has failed and you've moved on to "change the balance of power in my favor." Threatening someone with lethal force
should imply a willingness to use that force, and killing someone is about as "escalated" as it gets.
Quote from: duc750 on February 25, 2012, 08:45:09 PM
You/I can train ourselves on the proper usage of our gun/s but how would you train for what the other person is going, or willing, to do? I'm not convinced that even the police or military or anyone else trained in combat/enforcement can predict what someone else will do.
You can't predict with total certainly what another person will do, no. But I think that misses the point.
You can make judgments regarding the apparent likelihood of another person doing a given thing, and you can make judgments regarding the consequences of that thing.
But before you find yourself in such a situation, you must have mental policies in place about these things, informed by moral and legal considerations. "I will only brandish my weapon if [blank]," "I will only shoot another person, potentially killing them, if [blank]," etc.
^^^ [thumbsup]
Zarn brought up many good points.
Something else to consider, many parts of the US have a huge meth problem.
The person(s) that you may have "social" encounters with where a firearm is needed may be strung out on meth or jones'in for more meth.
Did not assume they are capable of rational thought or feel pain. To them it may be some weird video game.
Best policy is to stay alert and avoid setting yourself up. If the voice is in back of your head says " Danger!", listen, and back pedal.
True enough.
Situational awareness is key
Quote from: zarn02 on February 25, 2012, 10:35:44 PM
This is just my 2¢. If anybody thinks I've completely missed the mark on anything, feel free to call me out on it. Discussion is healthy.
If you're going to be carrying a weapon, you need to be comfortable carrying it anywhere you might go. The whole point is being prepared for a lethal force situation, and if you pair "I'll only carry when I go dangerous places" with "I don't really go dangerous places" then it seems that you'll arrive eventually at "I don't carry."
I don't really think you can deescalate a situation by pulling a gun. At the point you point a loaded gun at someone, deescalation has failed and you've moved on to "change the balance of power in my favor." Threatening someone with lethal force should imply a willingness to use that force, and killing someone is about as "escalated" as it gets.
You can't predict with total certainly what another person will do, no. But I think that misses the point.
You can make judgments regarding the apparent likelihood of another person doing a given thing, and you can make judgments regarding the consequences of that thing.
But before you find yourself in such a situation, you must have mental policies in place about these things, informed by moral and legal considerations. "I will only brandish my weapon if [blank]," "I will only shoot another person, potentially killing them, if [blank]," etc.
Great points, very much appreciated! Thanks Zarn! [thumbsup]
Quote from: sno_duc on February 25, 2012, 11:32:14 PM
Zarn brought up many good points.
Something else to consider, many parts of the US have a huge meth problem.
The person(s) that you may have "social" encounters with where a firearm is needed may be strung out on meth or jones'in for more meth.
Did not assume they are capable of rational thought or feel pain. To them it may be some weird video game.
Best policy is to stay alert and avoid setting yourself up. If the voice is in back of your head says " Danger!", listen, and back pedal.
Quote from: Monsterlover on February 25, 2012, 11:39:51 PM
True enough.
Situational awareness is key
I completely agree. I feel I'm usually thoroughly aware of what's going on around me, in fact I often stress this to my GF. It seems like she's not so quick to notice things, good or bad, going on around her.
Again, I'm not completely opposed to concealed carry. I'm legitimately wondering what people think.
Quote from: cupcake on February 25, 2012, 08:52:35 PM
Smoke a bowl bro.
Although I live in LA, I don't partake in the reefer.
I'll hug the hell out of a tree though. ;)
carrying is a fire insurance policy. it's not a perfect analogy but just like insurance it is useless unless you're covered at all times.
Just familiarize your self with your state laws.. if I remember correctly, in ny you can't shoot some one breaking into your property in the back.. true?
Quote from: cokey on February 26, 2012, 09:15:22 AM
Just familiarize your self with your state laws.. if I remember correctly, in ny you can't shoot some one breaking into your property in the back.. true?
Last warning...it's your second...
we don't do gun law.
Understand?
Quote from: cokey on February 26, 2012, 09:15:22 AM
Just familiarize your self with your state laws.. if I remember correctly, in ny you can't shoot some one breaking into your property in the back.. true?
Allow myself to quote...myself
Quote from: Monsterlover on February 13, 2012, 03:53:30 PM
Posting anything with the word "law" in it is generally a bad idea.
Someone may answer via pm, but (i hope) probably not in the thread itself.
I like the unlocked version of this thread better than the locked, worthless unusable version. . .
Lol keep forgetting how sensitive the subject is
Quote from: ducatiz on February 26, 2012, 05:55:37 AM
carrying is a fire insurance policy. it's not a perfect analogy but just like insurance it is useless unless you're covered at all times.
This.
I didn't feel any specific need to be armed because of that particular Sam's Club on that particular day... however, my decision to not be helpless in the event of an armed confrontation wasn't made with the aid of a map of potential danger spots (otherwise, I'd just not go there. Duh.). It was made with the understanding that my background in martial arts and tactical folding knife come out on the losing end of an "active shooter" scenario at the government office that I work in, or at pick-up time at my kids' school, or when the latest domestic disturbance goes bad in the checkout line or parking lot at the local (insert location here).
There's no hero in me... I am realistic enough to know that I'm never quick-drawing and plugging the bad guy and saving the day. I'm also not some 'roided up kid in an Affliction t-shirt that leaves the house looking for a bar fight. I'm a 35 year-old married father of two that has no interest in hurting anyone, ever. I'm not carrying in Sam's Club so that I can puff up and regulate when the lady handing out the samples shorts me on my chicken quesidilla nibblers, or so that I can get in someone's face when they cut in front of me in line. I'm carrying due to the great cosmic "What if?" If "What if?" never happens, then I've wasted around $400 and created a bunch of unnecessary headache for myself and I couldn't be happier about it. If "What If?" does happen, I like the odds of me and my family surviving a hell of a lot more than if I don't have $400 worth of headache in my pocket.
Quote from: cokey on February 26, 2012, 10:16:25 AM
Lol keep forgetting how sensitive the subject is
You should stop forgetting.
Seriously.
Predator Tactical does make some awfully nice 1911s and 2011s. Matt Burkett does a lot for the sport and his guns are very popular in the USPSA scene out west. I know it is hard to justify the $2500+ pricetag on custom 1911s....but I can offer one piece of advice. Find someone with a 2011 Open Gun and try it out - within 24 hours you will be contemplating if you actually need to eat 3 meals a day, or if you really need both kidneys. Hopefully, my open gun from Freedom Gunworks will be here next month. If you are interested in having a custom 1911 built, also consider Cheely Custom Gunworks, Bedell Custom, Millenium Custom, SVI, Gan's Guns, and Limcat. You WILL understand where the extra money went when you shoot one for the first time.
Having said that, there are plenty of very nice off-the-shelf 1911s out there. It all depends on what you are going to do with the gun.....and if you can survive your wife finding out you just spent $3k on a gun [popcorn]
Walked into Atlantic Guns in Rockville. everytime i go in there I ask myself why go anywhere else. customer service is spot on.
"Mark", the guy behind the counter, took time out from the huge Glock Sale they were having, to hear about my current AR woes. He gathered opinions from the three others behind the counter and they all called BS. Cant wait to see what they find after checking it out.
Quote from: Snake on February 27, 2012, 05:33:02 AM
Predator Tactical does make some awfully nice 1911s and 2011s. Matt Burkett does a lot for the sport and his guns are very popular in the USPSA scene out west. I know it is hard to justify the $2500+ pricetag on custom 1911s....but I can offer one piece of advice. Find someone with a 2011 Open Gun and try it out - within 24 hours you will be contemplating if you actually need to eat 3 meals a day, or if you really need both kidneys. Hopefully, my open gun from Freedom Gunworks will be here next month. If you are interested in having a custom 1911 built, also consider Cheely Custom Gunworks, Bedell Custom, Millenium Custom, SVI, Gan's Guns, and Limcat. You WILL understand where the extra money went when you shoot one for the first time.
Having said that, there are plenty of very nice off-the-shelf 1911s out there. It all depends on what you are going to do with the gun.....and if you can survive your wife finding out you just spent $3k on a gun [popcorn]
Thanks for the advice, snake. The gun is beautiful to look at and I could only imagine how it shoots. I've read plenty about them and seem to be regarded as a very nice gun. I am not sure I want to shoot one...then I will have to wait a few months for it to arrive, LOL. I will check out those other manufacturers you mentioned. Much appreciated.
i just bought my wife a new car....so I think she should spend too much money on a gun for me. Fair trade?
So I have been wanting to put together a nice M4 for a while now...
And after speaking with a buddy of mine who has a tactical supply shop that pretty much all of the local SWAT/Sheriff guys swear by, I discovered that my ONE complaint about the M16/AR15/M4 has been resolved. Having rounds discharge across my line of sight. Being left handed, this has always been the bane of my shooting existence.
Stag Arms makes a plethora of M4/AR left hand uppers. And now I am piecing together my new matte OD firearm.
I have never really been a handgun guy. Sort of a last resort weapon to me. I prefer to end the threat from a distance. ;D
I am now debating on which one I want to base it off of.
My 3 personal choices would be:
1. http://www.stagarms.com/product_info.php?cPath=14_23&products_id=398 (http://www.stagarms.com/product_info.php?cPath=14_23&products_id=398)
2. http://www.stagarms.com/product_info.php?cPath=14_23&products_id=221 (http://www.stagarms.com/product_info.php?cPath=14_23&products_id=221)
3. http://www.stagarms.com/product_info.php?cPath=14_23&products_id=308 (http://www.stagarms.com/product_info.php?cPath=14_23&products_id=308)
With this and number 3 being almost a toss-up...
http://www.stagarms.com/product_info.php?cPath=14_23&products_id=317 (http://www.stagarms.com/product_info.php?cPath=14_23&products_id=317)
My goal will ultimately be distance shooting. 300m+. But I also like the idea of a short "urban" combat weapon. I may end up just doing both but I want the first one to be my distance shooter.
.223 isn't the best choice for a distance rifle...is it?
Quote from: ducpainter on February 27, 2012, 09:35:05 AM
.223 isn't the best choice for a distance rifle...is it?
depends on the round and the barrel
1:7 twist with some of the 77gr loads are accurate to 600yds (0 bullet drop) but by the time you get to 800yds, the drop is about 100 inches.
none of the guys i trained with used it for anything outside of 300m though, either 7.62 or .338LM (which was brand new at the time)
I can hit 300-500 with .223 all day long. Not ideal of course and won't have the stopping power of an M82A2 at that range [laugh] but then you don't really need stopping power for paper targets.
I like a challenge. Having optics the size of a 2 million candle power spotlight and 7.65/.338/.50 rounds to shoot is the weiner's way out! [cheeky]
Quote from: ZLTFUL on February 27, 2012, 10:09:30 AM
I can hit 300-500 with .223 all day long. Not ideal of course and won't have the stopping power of an M82A2 at that range [laugh] but then you don't really need stopping power for paper targets.
I like a challenge. Having optics the size of a 2 million candle power spotlight and 7.65/.338/.50 rounds to shoot is the weiner's way out! [cheeky]
You forgot .300 Win Mag ;D
Quote from: Zaster on February 27, 2012, 11:57:31 AM
You forgot .300 Win Mag ;D
Nope...because that's with a lever and iron sights. 8) I watch the Facebook gun posts.
Quote from: ZLTFUL on February 27, 2012, 10:09:30 AM
I can hit 300-500 with .223 all day long. Not ideal of course and won't have the stopping power of an M82A2 at that range [laugh] but then you don't really need stopping power for paper targets.
I like a challenge. Having optics the size of a 2 million candle power spotlight and 7.65/.338/.50 rounds to shoot is the weiner's way out! [cheeky]
I can't
see 300 yds...with a scope. [bang] [bang] [bang]
Just got back from a long weekend at my friend's ranch in west Texas. Lots of drinking, eating stuff grilled over mesquite wood, bullshiting and a shit load of shooting! [thumbsup] There were 12 of us and 10 of us did 99% of the shooting. Had a kick ass good time. My Suburban got great gas mileage on the way home with the lighter ammo load! [laugh] ARs, MP5, Rem 700s, Glocks, 1911s, S&W model 29 and 686, High Standard, 10/22s, etc. You wouldn't believe the brass clean up! [bang] ;) Damn good fun. [bacon] [bow_down] Can't wait to do it again.
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Say what ???
Quote from: cupcake on February 27, 2012, 05:24:14 PM
Say what ???
lol should have said "70 bullet drop"
Federal Gold Medal 5.56
(http://www.federalpremium.com/products/GraphPages/BallisticGraphs/LongTrajectoryGraph.aspx)
Quote from: ducpainter on February 27, 2012, 02:45:07 PM
I can't see 300 yds...with a scope. [bang] [bang] [bang]
what scope? you don't think those guys are using one of those 4x bb scopes do you?
Quote from: ducatiz on February 27, 2012, 05:37:01 PM
what scope? you don't think those guys are using one of those 4x bb scopes do you?
Nikon 3-9
I used to be able to do it with iron. ;)
Quote from: ducpainter on February 27, 2012, 05:44:42 PM
Nikon 3-9
I used to be able to do it with iron. ;)
Drink more carrot juice. Seriously. I'm the only person in my family who doesn't wear glasses. As child, I ate about a lb of carrots a day and now I drink about 2lbs a day with the juicer.
You cannot OD on vitamin C or carotene. Best antioxidants ever.
I have a 8-25x Leupold and you can't do much better (well, you can but I can't afford it).
I can do 300 with iron sights. Pretty easily actually. You just lead the plastic Russian pop-up a bit more. [laugh]
I qualified 40/40 and did almost every year following. When I did miss, it was at 50...not at 300.
Last few times out to Camp Dodge, I was able to repeat but I also was using a far better weapon than the M16A1 they stuck me with in basic. It wasn't a bad weapon but everytime we played with MILES gear, the blanks would just cause constant jams.
And of course, during any live fire, I always had to deal with cartridges being ejected across the bridge of my nose.
Quote from: ducatiz on February 27, 2012, 06:01:34 PM
Drink more carrot juice. Seriously. I'm the only person in my family who doesn't wear glasses. As child, I ate about a lb of carrots a day and now I drink about 2lbs a day with the juicer.
You cannot OD on vitamin C or carotene. Best antioxidants ever.
I have a 8-25x Leupold and you can't do much better (well, you can but I can't afford it).
Is that scope for target shooting only? The reason I'm asking is that I'm shopping for a scope I can use for hunting and long range target practice ( 300 -500 feet)
without making it too hard to acquire the deer or elk in the scope in a speedy fashion. I'm currently using a 3-9x Leupold and my eyes have the Nate syndrome ;D
I am curious if anyone on here owns or has shot the FN Five-Seven.
I know it is a rather ridiculous gun designed by FN for NATO to basically penetrate soft body armor as its only purpose. Also, the 5.7mm round is rare and expensive.
I follow FPS Russia on YouTube and he shot one and the accuracy at distance was pretty amazing out of a handgun, but I suppose it isn't much difference than iron sights on rifle considering it shoots a necked down rifle round.
Quote from: Zaster on February 27, 2012, 06:27:54 PM
Is that scope for target shooting only? The reason I'm asking is that I'm shopping for a scope I can use for hunting and long range target practice ( 300 -500 feet)
without making it too hard to acquire the deer or elk in the scope in a speedy fashion. I'm currently using a 3-9x Leupold and my eyes have the Nate syndrome ;D
A scope is "for" whatever you use it for provided it's designed for the caliber and conditions. The VX-3 scopes are primarily hunting scopes and long range target shooting. I'd want something a little lower power for deer/elk. You get into some legal issues taking very long range shots when hunting.
Quote from: ducatiz on February 27, 2012, 06:30:45 PM
A scope is "for" whatever you use it for provided it's designed for the caliber and conditions. The VX-3 scopes are primarily hunting scopes and long range target shooting. I'd want something a little lower power for deer/elk. You get into some legal issues taking very long range shots when hunting.
You seem to be pretty knowledgable on scopes.
What do you recommend for a .300 win mag. Gun will be used for large game (i.e. Elk, Moose) and want the ability for long distance shooting (for fun). So I guess a scope that will do it all!
Quote from: CayoHueso on February 27, 2012, 06:44:03 PM
You seem to be pretty knowledgable on scopes.
What do you recommend for a .300 win mag. Gun will be used for large game (i.e. Elk, Moose) and want the ability for long distance shooting (for fun). So I guess a scope that will do it all!
A good quality 3-9x scope.. the bigger the objective the better and more $$$. I won't use anything less than a 30mm lens. the difference is huge. I am partial to Leupold.
Check out Horus.
Quote from: ducatiz on February 27, 2012, 07:22:14 PM
A good quality 3-9x scope.. the bigger the objective the better and more $$$. I won't use anything less than a 30mm lens. the difference is huge. I am partial to Leupold.
I do quite a bit of reading and it seems like military snipers use Schmidt and Bender scopes that are 16x50. Does that mean the "zoom" is a lot better on one of these? I can't ever see spending 4g on a scope, but it is nice to look!
Quote from: CayoHueso on February 27, 2012, 07:26:40 PM
I do quite a bit of reading and it seems like military snipers use Schmidt and Bender scopes that are 16x50. Does that mean the "zoom" is a lot better on one of these? I can't ever see spending 4g on a scope, but it is nice to look!
those have very heavy duty housings and a 50mm objective. anything that big is going to run you bills. I got my Leopold used and it was still a grand.
I have a vari-x II 3-9x50 on my 700 PSS. The reticle is way too thick, it covers the bullseye at 100. Drives me nuts. Go for a fine plex.
Quote from: CayoHueso on February 27, 2012, 07:26:40 PM
I do quite a bit of reading and it seems like military snipers use Schmidt and Bender scopes that are 16x50. Does that mean the "zoom" is a lot better on one of these? I can't ever see spending 4g on a scope, but it is nice to look!
We (SOF) use Leupold and Horus.
Got any used ones you want to get rid of?
Quote from: rgramjet on February 27, 2012, 07:36:00 PM
Got any used ones you want to get rid of?
The only used ones I have are cheap, never fired and only dropped once though. ;)
Quote from: rgramjet on February 27, 2012, 07:32:36 PM
I have a vari-x II 3-9x50 on my 700 PSS. The reticle is way too thick, it covers the bullseye at 100. Drives me nuts. Go for a fine plex.
So the 3-9x50..
3-9 is the optical focus? 50 is the reticle size?
I got a Leupold VX-R in a 4-12x40, and I kinda wish I bought something more.
Leupold is good and all, but there are still better scopes for the money.
I wouldn't mind any of the following...to name just a few:
US Optics
Trijicon
Nightforce
Vortex
Nikon
Quote from: CayoHueso on February 27, 2012, 07:48:25 PM
So the 3-9x50..
3-9 is the optical focus? 50 is the reticle size?
3-9 is the magnification
50 is the objective size
Any opinions on Millet scopes?
Quote from: DarkStaR on February 27, 2012, 07:53:49 PM
I got a Leupold VX-R in a 4-12x40, and I kinda wish I bought something more.
Leupold is good and all, but there are still better scopes for the money.
I wouldn't mind any of the following...to name just a few:
US Optics
Trijicon
Nightforce
Vortex
Nikon
I heard a lot of good things about the Vortex. I'm seriously looking at a 4-12X40 for my .300 Win Mag
Quote from: rgramjet on February 27, 2012, 08:04:00 PM
Any opinions on Millet scopes?
got one on my 17, stays at zero that's all I can say
Quote from: DarkStaR on February 27, 2012, 07:53:49 PM
Leupold is good and all, but there are still better scopes for the money.
:-\
It might be 'cause they are local
but
up here they are the standard
I went with Leupold, because from my research, they're one of the "better" "big name" scope manufactures out there, and most importantly, have a lifetime transferable warranty. But, some of your money will be paying for their name.
Not too sure about that Redfield purchase though... :-\
On a large caliber rifle, just make sure you buy a scope with a lifetime warranty.
My scope sustains 3 significant shock waves with every round fired, so the lifetime warranty was a must.
Leupold is as sure thing, but with enough research, there are others out there that are just as good, if not better for the same money
oh yeah, if anything, look for "Made in USA"!!! [thumbsup]
Quote from: DarkStaR on February 28, 2012, 12:03:53 AM
I went with Leupold, because from my research, they're one of the "better" "big name" scope manufactures out there, and most importantly, have a lifetime transferable warranty. But, some of your money will be paying for their name.
Not too sure about that Redfield purchase though... :-\
On a large caliber rifle, just make sure you buy a scope with a lifetime warranty.
My scope sustains 3 significant shock waves with every round fired, so the lifetime warranty was a must.
Leupold is as sure thing, but with enough research, there are others out there that are just as good, if not better for the same money
oh yeah, if anything, look for "Made in USA"!!! [thumbsup]
3 shock waves?
Can you elaborate for me? This is not something I know much about.
I have a S&B on my AI .308. It is an amazing scope, but I wouldn't spend that type of $$ again. Looking through the F-Class results, lots of people are using Sightron scopes. Optics planet has them for great prices. You can get a 10-50x60 for less than $1000 :o They do have one major downside; no zero stop. You will just have to remember how many rotations you turned that elevation knob [thumbsup]
I'm planning on picking one up soon for a .338 build.
That being said, buy a Schmidt & Bender or US Optics if the price doesn't scare you off.
My AI
(http://catie.smugmug.com/photos/649280877_ToEie-M.jpg)
Quote from: Monsterlover on February 28, 2012, 12:48:03 AM
3 shock waves?
Can you elaborate for me? This is not something I know much about.
1. bang
2. bolt hits rear of receiver
3. bolt hits barrel face/front of receiver.
on large bores, that bolt is a big chunk of metal.
Quote from: zach on February 28, 2012, 06:42:15 AM
I'm planning on picking one up soon for a .338 build.
AI.. so nice.. it's funny that they can't even sell them where they are made.. lol
what is going into the .338 build? let me guess, macmillan stock... remington receiver?
I'm actually going with an XLR Industries stock. No bedding to deal with ;D A remmington receiver is likely. I need a rifle with more balls than a .308. I have killed a buffalo with the .308, but I felt like it was just enough.
Quote from: zach on February 28, 2012, 06:53:26 AM
I'm actually going with an XLR Industries stock. No bedding to deal with ;D A remmington receiver is likely. I need a rifle with more balls than a .308. I have killed a buffalo with the .308, but I felt like it was just enough.
Buffalo or bison?
Yeah, that's a huge jump in projectile weight and power.
Bison should be easily taken with pretty much anything in the 308 range or 7mm magnum.. If you're talking about a cape buffalo, you'll need something 338 or 375 range for a quick kill.
Sorry, bison. I would want a .50bmg for cape buffalo [laugh]
Quote from: zach on February 28, 2012, 07:36:41 AM
Sorry, bison. I would want a .50bmg for cape buffalo [laugh]
depending on the distance of your shot, 308 should be ok but I might want something with a flatter trajectory. 7 mag or 300 win mag for instance, preferably with a 200-220 gr projectile for bison. 7 mag might be too light though, i think that tops out at about 180 gr.
Quote from: Monsterlover on February 28, 2012, 12:48:03 AM
3 shock waves?
Can you elaborate for me? This is not something I know much about.
Quote from: ducatiz on February 28, 2012, 06:45:07 AM
1. bang
2. bolt hits rear of receiver
3. bolt hits barrel face/front of receiver.
on large bores, that bolt is a big chunk of metal.
^^^ [thumbsup]
For quality scopes at a decent price try the Zeiss Conquest models. American made with German glass. I have a 3-9x40 on my LTR and it's great.
Quote from: DRKWNG on February 25, 2012, 07:13:34 PM
Does it have a rail at all? If not, where is the optic mounted? To the "carry handle"? If so, can't really see how that would get in the way of the charging handle.
But as far as the gas blowback issue goes, give this a try:
http://www.laruetactical.com/gas-buster-charging-handle-big-latch (http://www.laruetactical.com/gas-buster-charging-handle-big-latch)
Wrong terminology (mine)....it has the rail no handle. Cupcake said the obvious thing, just move the damn thing forward. I'll check out the charge handle, hopefully that will improve the blow-back issue.
Thanks!
Here is a much cheaper alternative than buying a $90 charging handle. I use this DIY method on my suppressed AR's, and it works great [thumbsup]
http://www.03designgroup.com/technotes/do-it-yourself-gas-buster-charging-handle (http://www.03designgroup.com/technotes/do-it-yourself-gas-buster-charging-handle)
Is the problem the mating surface between the gas tube and the gas key?
Seems you could fix it by tweaking the gas key or reswaging the gas tube
Mmmmm... rail guns. Wonder when they will make a carry model? [popcorn] [laugh]
http://news.yahoo.com/navy-railgun-tests-leading-ship-superweapon-2020-201003095.html (http://news.yahoo.com/navy-railgun-tests-leading-ship-superweapon-2020-201003095.html)
Quote from: fastwin on February 29, 2012, 07:47:29 AM
Mmmmm... rail guns. Wonder when they will make a carry model? [popcorn] [laugh]
http://news.yahoo.com/navy-railgun-tests-leading-ship-superweapon-2020-201003095.html (http://news.yahoo.com/navy-railgun-tests-leading-ship-superweapon-2020-201003095.html)
here you go...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHoIMBXKSos
Meeh... too hard to conceal. [laugh] [laugh]
This hasn't been discussed in a while. But I have several rifles and pistols that badly need cleaning from last weekends shootin'-fest at my friend's west TX ranch. If not today then for sure over this weekend... it needs to get done.
Just wondering what everyones favorite gun cleaning "stuff" is... bore cleaner, lube, etc.?
I'm an old died in the wool Hoppes #9 guy, Dewey rods, assorted brand cotton patches and brass brushes, Breakfree, Remington Rem oil spray, Birchwood Casey Gun Scrubber spray to finish it all off, even have some Wilson Combat heavy lube in a "syringe type" applicator I like to use on slide rails.
I recently bought a can of Gunslick Pro foaming bore cleaner. Haven't tried it yet but I have read reports on similar bore foam products. You spray it down the bore, it foams up, works on the powder/copper grunge, wait 15 minutes and swab it out. I'll try it on a couple of guns and compare it to my old Hoppes #9 technique. Anyone else use this type of foaming bore cleaner? Comments, thoughts? [popcorn] [bacon]
PS Anyone have the new Surefire high-cap AR magazines? I shot two of my 60 rounders this last weekend and they ran like a freight train! [thumbsup] The 100 rnd mags are just too long for me. The 60s aren't so bad. No worse than regular 30s or maybe a Beta C-mag... at least in hang down length. That's what she said! [laugh] [laugh]
I use Rem-Oil, Montana Extreme bore/copper cleaner, and Mobil One to lube.
I think it's all weasel piss anyway. ;D
I make my own general cleaner - just do a search for "Eds Red". It is a great general gun cleaner. You probably have all the ingredients in the garage. Its cheap and very effective. For some heavily carbon fouling - carb cleaner works pretty good.
For copper removal, I have found that KG-12 Big Bore cleaner is far and away the best copper solvent I have tested - I have tested a LOT of copper solvents. I use regular Hoppes #9 for bore flushing after copper removal or after using some of the abrasive type bore cleaners for extremely fouled bores.
Quote from: WarrenJ on March 02, 2012, 09:10:49 AM
I make my own general cleaner - just do a search for "Eds Red". It is a great general gun cleaner. You probably have all the ingredients in the garage. Its cheap and very effective. For some heavily carbon fouling - carb cleaner works pretty good.
For copper removal, I have found that KG-12 Big Bore cleaner is far and away the best copper solvent I have tested - I have tested a LOT of copper solvents. I use regular Hoppes #9 for bore flushing after copper removal or after using some of the abrasive type bore cleaners for extremely fouled bores.
Ed's Red is an interesting one, I have made it and used it, but too much effort for me nowadays.
Hoppe's Elite is a non toxic cleaner, water soluble and not too expensive. Eezox will lift most crap and float it off.
KG12 is the shit for copper fouling.
I am old school when it comes to cleaning and maintenance.
I use your general nitro solvent (Hoppes #9) and standard gun oil (Remington). I clean my guns every time I shoot or once a month. I enjoy breaking them down and getting to know them better. Sort of a escape for me.
Me too. I plan on having many zen like moments tonight and this weekend "bonding" with my guns and getting them squeaky clean and oiled. They need it as well as I. [thumbsup] [beer]
Live fire vehicle interdiction from a Helo tues night. I'll try and get some pics.
Quote from: cupcake on March 02, 2012, 06:39:29 PM
Live fire vehicle interdiction from a Helo tues night. I'll try and get some pics.
Jealous. Next to the 30 gunner slicing shit up from the side of a Blackhawk, watching live A-10 gun runs were my 2 favorite spectator sports when I was active.
Quote from: ZLTFUL on March 02, 2012, 08:12:05 PM
Jealous. Next to the 30 gunner slicing shit up from the side of a Blackhawk, watching live A-10 gun runs were my 2 favorite spectator sports when I was active.
This will be a single long gun shooter, taking out the driver, on NODS.
[popcorn] [bacon] [bow_down]
Fastwin. 20 years using this stuff and NO rust http://prostores3.carrierzone.com/servlet/rusteprufe_com/-strse-9/applicator%2C-preventer%2C-application%2C-gun/Detail (http://prostores3.carrierzone.com/servlet/rusteprufe_com/-strse-9/applicator%2C-preventer%2C-application%2C-gun/Detail)
Thanks D! I've seen that stuff before but have never used it. I'd like to give it a try, might order some today. Does anyone in the DFW area carry it or is it an on line order deal? [popcorn]
Hey, are you old enough to have been using anything for 20 years? [laugh] [beer]
Quote from: muskrat on March 03, 2012, 08:08:18 AM
Fastwin. 20 years using this stuff and NO rust http://prostores3.carrierzone.com/servlet/rusteprufe_com/-strse-9/applicator%2C-preventer%2C-application%2C-gun/Detail (http://prostores3.carrierzone.com/servlet/rusteprufe_com/-strse-9/applicator%2C-preventer%2C-application%2C-gun/Detail)
I wonder how it would perform in actual testing.
http://www.6mmbr.com/corrosiontest.html (http://www.6mmbr.com/corrosiontest.html)
I'm still sold on eezox
Good article! I've used Bore-Store bags for years and all of my gun safes have a Goldenrod in them. I'd like to try the Eezox product too. I looked at their website and there was no one in my area that carried it... another on line order goodie.
The DFW area isn't as bad as the gulf coast (ie. Houston, etc) for humidity but it is bad when it gets warm/hot. My main concern is making sure I never touch any metal on the gun before putting it away. I had a Browning Buckmark that had my big ass paw print on the barrel years ago and I've never forgotten it! [bang] [laugh]
I just got my new Edgun , waited for 10 month , but happy with it
(http://supertjeduc.zenfolio.com/img/s11/v35/p538221814-4.jpg)
(http://supertjeduc.zenfolio.com/img/s11/v37/p609365723-4.jpg)
It's a pcp single shot about 40 shots with one filling 5.5 mm from Rusia
That is damn cool [thumbsup]
no one local, only a long time ago. sometimes you find it at gun shows.
Quote from: supertjeduc on March 03, 2012, 09:33:03 AM
I just got my new Edgun , waited for 10 month , but happy with it
(http://supertjeduc.zenfolio.com/img/s11/v35/p538221814-4.jpg)
(http://supertjeduc.zenfolio.com/img/s11/v37/p609365723-4.jpg)
It's a pcp single shot about 40 shots with one filling 5.5 mm from Rusia
What's a pcp single shot? I know nothing about these and have never seen one.
What's the gauge for? It's not air powered is it?
<edit> Googled it. Nevermind
http://www.sigsauer.de/englisch/mastershop/prestige/viking.html (http://www.sigsauer.de/englisch/mastershop/prestige/viking.html)
I really am at a loss for words to adequately describe how I feel
not sure if I want to laugh, sneer, vomit or just shudder with revulsion
Quote from: RAT900 on March 04, 2012, 02:45:34 AM
http://www.sigsauer.de/englisch/mastershop/prestige/viking.html (http://www.sigsauer.de/englisch/mastershop/prestige/viking.html)
I really am at a loss for words to adequately describe how I feel
not sure if I want to laugh, sneer, vomit or just shudder with revulsion
What, you didn't know the Vikings used guns?
mammoth tusk???
why use something like that? couldn't get tyrannosaur bones?
Quote from: ducatiz on March 04, 2012, 04:58:39 AM
mammoth tusk???
why use something like that? couldn't get tyrannosaur bones?
I stuff my pillows at home with archeopteryx feathers.
[puke] [bow_down]
Quote from: RAT900 on March 04, 2012, 02:45:34 AM
http://www.sigsauer.de/englisch/mastershop/prestige/viking.html (http://www.sigsauer.de/englisch/mastershop/prestige/viking.html)
I really am at a loss for words to adequately describe how I feel
not sure if I want to laugh, sneer, vomit or just shudder with revulsion
That 226 just inspired the Hayabusa project I've been meaning to start!
That gun reminds me of those "fantasy sword" ads you see in Sky Mall Magazine while in flight.
Why would anyone (with a lick of sense and a semi rational mind) do that to a perfectly good SIG 226? [bang] [puke] [bang] [puke] ??? [thumbsdown]
Quote from: fastwin on March 04, 2012, 07:39:09 AM
Why would anyone (with a lick of sense and a semi rational mind) do that to a perfectly good SIG 226? [bang] [puke] [bang] [puke] ??? [thumbsdown]
SIG lost theirs. I love the older SIGs, but they've been pretty much dead to me for a while now...
Yep, all my SIGs are older, late 80s early 90s. 220, 228, 226, 230... had a 210 long ago but it was worth so much money I just had to sell it. One of the best full size non-double stack mag 9mms ever! [thumbsup]
Quote from: CayoHueso on March 04, 2012, 06:01:14 AM
That gun reminds me of those "fantasy sword" ads you see in Sky Mall Magazine while in flight.
Or junk in those Compendium-of-Crap stores that used to fill Times Square...
windows filled with dungeons and dragons knives and swords, goth medieval-esque shit
festooned with spikes and studs along with all the tin ninja junk
this pistol rates as "sub-pimp" grade....junior high school kid doodle kewl
Quote from: DRKWNG on March 04, 2012, 09:13:11 AM
SIG lost theirs. I love the older SIGs, but they've been pretty much dead to me for a while now...
i'd never buy anything out of the "mastershop" side of the business... then again, high "bling" customizations to firearms have never been my thing.
Not my taste either. But I have to say I have seen a couple of blued Pythons come out of the Colt custom shop that were engraved by a pro and were just awesome to behold! I'd give someone elses left nut for one of those! But again, they weren't gaudy and over the top... they were just simply gorgeous firearms. [thumbsup]
I was at the Patton museum last week.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/5031dc38.jpg)
That isn't ugly like the SIG
[laugh]
indeed not
Quote from: ducpainter on March 04, 2012, 04:33:33 PM
That isn't ugly like the SIG
George would own that SIG, if he were alive.
Quote from: ducpainter on March 04, 2012, 05:01:53 PM
Maybe
No doubt. Think of the era he carried the other.
Quote from: cupcake on March 04, 2012, 05:12:25 PM
No doubt. Think of the era he carried the other.
It was more him than the time I think.
[threadjack]
B has a couple guns he wants to sell.
Anyone with info on private gun sales laws in NYS please PM me.
He's not finding much info via interwebs.
[/treadjack]
Quote from: ducpainter on March 04, 2012, 05:21:32 PM
It was more him than the time I think.
That's what I meant. ;)
Quote from: supertjeduc on March 03, 2012, 09:33:03 AM
(http://supertjeduc.zenfolio.com/img/s11/v37/p609365723-4.jpg)
Is it me or does the position of this gauge go against just about everything you were ever taught about gun safety? ???
Quote from: gage on March 05, 2012, 09:59:40 AM
Is it me or does the position of this gauge go against just about everything you were ever taught about gun safety? ???
Designed by Russians.
Yep, best way to check if it's loaded is looking down the barrel. [laugh] [laugh]
Quote from: gage on March 05, 2012, 09:59:40 AM
Is it me or does the position of this gauge go against just about everything you were ever taught about gun safety? ???
[roll] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Quote from: gage on March 05, 2012, 09:59:40 AM
Is it me or does the position of this gauge go against just about everything you were ever taught about gun safety? ???
[laugh] [laugh] [clap] [clap]
http://www.edgun.ru/en/ (http://www.edgun.ru/en/)
.ru = Russia.
It's their ploy to take us out one capitalist pig-dog at a time.
And yes, I get the joke you were trying to make.
"I know what you're thinking: 'Does he have 200 psi or 20 psi?' Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I've kinda lost track myself. Oh, it's 33 psi? Um, thanks, punk."
(and for the record, I think it's a pretty cool piece!)
Quote from: triangleforge on March 05, 2012, 03:30:59 PM
(and for the record, I think it's a pretty cool piece!)
I definately think its cool too
Quote from: triangleforge on March 05, 2012, 03:30:59 PM
"I know what you're thinking: 'Does he have 200 psi or 20 psi?' Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I've kinda lost track myself. Oh, it's 33 psi? Um, thanks, punk."
[clap] [laugh] [clap] [laugh] [clap]
Yeah, I like that one too! [laugh]
Quote from: cyrus buelton on June 26, 2010, 01:44:22 PM
I'll give you the number of a gunshop here in Columbus that has one for sale.
Bring your checkbook.
Last one I saw sold at Sportman's Warehouse for $4,200. Pretty penny for a somewhat useless gun.
Quote from: thurmanjr7 on March 06, 2012, 09:30:00 AM
QuoteQuote from: cyrus buelton on 26 June 2010, 15:44:22
I'll give you the number of a gunshop here in Columbus that has one for sale.
Bring your checkbook.
Last one I saw sold at Sportman's Warehouse for $4,200. Pretty penny for a somewhat useless gun.
read old posts much? :-)
This is pretty nuts
.950 JDJ - Largest Centerfire Rifle Ever Made (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rKHXTsDcco#)
Quote from: thurmanjr7 on March 06, 2012, 11:31:31 AM
This is pretty nuts
.950 JDJ - Largest Centerfire Rifle Ever Made (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rKHXTsDcco#)
That's crazy stupid. Is that just so the manufacturer can say "we made one?"
I was at the local range over the weekend. As I was concentrating at shooting my target, I was blinded by a huge flash and a shock wave that nearly knocked me off my feet. As I recover from my blindness and confusion, I walked to the next stall. I found this dude with a S&W .460. Giant of a gun...
My new work toy, thanks Sam.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/fef9bb42.jpg)
OBR?
Quote from: DRKWNG on March 07, 2012, 06:48:38 PM
OBR?
Yep and it's make the beast with two backsing sweet. 18in barrel and we were banging steel at a click.
I was thinking of replacing the SR-15 with an OBR lite but I really like the KAC rail and the wait time on the LaRue put me off.
Quote from: DRKWNG on March 07, 2012, 07:02:31 PM
I was thinking of replacing the SR-15 with an OBR lite but I really like the KAC rail and the wait time on the LaRue put me off.
If you let em know you're in the Club, it'll come sooner. ;)
Yeah, I've talked with Mark a couple of times over the phone. Think I'm just going to send my SR back to Knight's to cut the barrel to 14.5" and have the lightened, rifle lenth rail slapped on. Kevin (their .mil rep) quoted me a STOOPID price on it.
Quote from: DRKWNG on March 07, 2012, 07:08:52 PM
Yeah, I've talked with Mark a couple of times over the phone. Think I'm just going to send my SR back to Knight's to cut the barrel to 14.5" and have the lightened, rifle lenth rail slapped on. Kevin (their .mil rep) quoted me a STOOPID price on it.
That'll work, but shoot the OBR if you can.
Quote from: cupcake on March 07, 2012, 07:11:45 PM
That'll work, but shoot the OBR if you can.
What's an OBR?
Old Boy's Rifle? [evil]
Quote from: cupcake on March 07, 2012, 07:11:45 PM
That'll work, but shoot the OBR if you can.
I'd love to. Why don't you bring it up this way? :D
Quote from: ducpainter on March 07, 2012, 07:12:36 PM
What's an OBR?
Old Boy's Rifle? [evil]
http://www.laruetactical.com/larue-tactical-obr-optimized-battle-rifle-complete-762-rifle-18-barrel (http://www.laruetactical.com/larue-tactical-obr-optimized-battle-rifle-complete-762-rifle-18-barrel)
Quote from: DRKWNG on March 07, 2012, 07:13:53 PM
I'd love to. Why don't you bring it up this way? :D
I can do it if you have a range worthy of it.
I personally don't, but just might be able to drum up access to the FBI range on Quantico. Barring that, Roger's club has a 500m range.
What glass are you running?
Quote from: DRKWNG on March 07, 2012, 07:18:03 PM
I personally don't, but just might be able to drum up access to the FBI range on Quantico. Barring that, Roger's club has a 500m range.
What glass are you running?
Bushnell 3.5-21x50 with a Horus reticle.
Thought I said class the first time, eh? ;D
Quote from: cupcake on March 07, 2012, 06:59:32 PM
OBR counsellor [roll]
IIRC, it was to be called an OSR until Dick Swan sued LaRue over the (trademarked) term "OSR"
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/22/larue-tactical-osr-optimized-sniper-rifle/ (http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/22/larue-tactical-osr-optimized-sniper-rifle/)
and then
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/09/larue-osr-now-called-obr-optimized-battle-rifle/ (http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/09/larue-osr-now-called-obr-optimized-battle-rifle/)
Quote from: ducatiz on March 07, 2012, 07:27:49 PM
IIRC, it was to be called an OSR until Dick Swan sued LaRue over the (trademarked) term "OSR"
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/22/larue-tactical-osr-optimized-sniper-rifle/ (http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/22/larue-tactical-osr-optimized-sniper-rifle/)
and then
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/09/larue-osr-now-called-obr-optimized-battle-rifle/ (http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/09/larue-osr-now-called-obr-optimized-battle-rifle/)
Well it's OBR
Quote from: DRKWNG on March 07, 2012, 07:24:08 PM
Thought I said class the first time, eh? ;D
Ha, yeah. My bad
Quote from: cupcake on March 07, 2012, 08:06:03 PM
Ha, yeah. My bad
It's all good. Everyone knows you Army types were taught to leave technical things, like spelling, to us. ;D
Quote from: DRKWNG on March 07, 2012, 08:21:07 PM
It's all good. Everyone knows you Army types were taught to leave technical things, like spelling, to us. ;D
Like ayrplain :D
Quote from: DRKWNG on March 07, 2012, 07:13:53 PM
<snip>
http://www.laruetactical.com/larue-tactical-obr-optimized-battle-rifle-complete-762-rifle-18-barrel (http://www.laruetactical.com/larue-tactical-obr-optimized-battle-rifle-complete-762-rifle-18-barrel)
You military types are soooo serious. ;D
Hey, I've got a buddy with an AR who's looking for some 30 rnd. mags. I've told him to look for standard 30 rnd. mil-spec mags with the current green shell follower. It's been a long time ago but I sent him a link to Cheaper Than Dirt when they had a great sale on mil-spec mags via an email ad. He didn't follow through on it and his current stash of really old mags are giving him some reliability issues.
Shot with him at my friend's ranch a couple of weeks ago and saw his problem first hand. Let him use a couple of my fresh, green follower mags and bingo! ran like a Swiss watch.
Anyway, to save me and him time looking all over the internet does anyone know of any good sales going on (from a reliable source) right now for standard mil-spec, green follower, 30 rnd mags?
Thanks ahead of time! [thumbsup]
Aim Surplus has some Troy Industry mags at 13.95
Thanks! I'll check them out.
Gonna spend some of your tax money tonight. 2 Ch-47's, 2 Super Huey's and 2 hour window with an AC-130 doing live fire. [evil]
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/4ad50ff5.jpg)
Quote from: fastwin on March 08, 2012, 01:22:30 PM
Hey, I've got a buddy with an AR who's looking for some 30 rnd. mags. I've told him to look for standard 30 rnd. mil-spec mags with the current green shell follower. It's been a long time ago but I sent him a link to Cheaper Than Dirt when they had a great sale on mil-spec mags via an email ad. He didn't follow through on it and his current stash of really old mags are giving him some reliability issues.
Shot with him at my friend's ranch a couple of weeks ago and saw his problem first hand. Let him use a couple of my fresh, green follower mags and bingo! ran like a Swiss watch.
Anyway, to save me and him time looking all over the internet does anyone know of any good sales going on (from a reliable source) right now for standard mil-spec, green follower, 30 rnd mags?
Thanks ahead of time! [thumbsup]
The last gun show in VA had window P-mags for $15 each!
Quote from: cupcake on March 08, 2012, 03:34:38 PM
Gonna spend some of your tax money tonight. 2 Ch-47's, 2 Super Huey's and 2 hour window with an AC-130 doing live fire. [evil]
Do you get to shoot down anything in the air? [laugh]
Quote from: cupcake on March 08, 2012, 03:34:38 PM
Gonna spend some of your tax money tonight. 2 Ch-47's, 2 Super Huey's and 2 hour window with an AC-130 doing live fire. [evil]
TTIWWP... ;)
;D
[bacon]
Quote from: cupcake on March 08, 2012, 07:00:52 PM
The whole thread? I don't ha an NV camera.
Oops...! ;)
I guess I shoulda typed TPIWWP? ;D
I just wanna see some helicopters and planes and big-ass guns blowing some shit up! :D [evil]
[bacon]
Hmm.. AR with HB.. big deal...
(http://www.cactustactical.com/osc/images/akdal.jpg)
wait.. that magazine and carry handle looks funny...
that is one big magazine.. whoa, look at that muzzle.. wtf?
(http://www.slickguns.com/sites/default/files/OnRockWall2Da_0_0.jpg)
http://www.slickguns.com/product/preorder-mka-1919-12ga-semi-auto-shotgun-black-stock-69999-free-shipping (http://www.slickguns.com/product/preorder-mka-1919-12ga-semi-auto-shotgun-black-stock-69999-free-shipping)
hmmmmm
tactical
Quote from: ducatiz on March 08, 2012, 07:26:55 PM
Hmm.. AR with HB.. big deal...
(http://www.cactustactical.com/osc/images/akdal.jpg)
wait.. that magazine and carry handle looks funny...
that is one big magazine.. whoa, look at that muzzle.. wtf?
(http://www.slickguns.com/sites/default/files/OnRockWall2Da_0_0.jpg)
http://www.slickguns.com/product/preorder-mka-1919-12ga-semi-auto-shotgun-black-stock-69999-free-shipping (http://www.slickguns.com/product/preorder-mka-1919-12ga-semi-auto-shotgun-black-stock-69999-free-shipping)
hmmmmm
Your girlfriend Cyrus will love that. :D
Y'all seen the aa 12s right?
Think it was posted in the thread before..
(http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Dual-AA-12-Shotguns-FPSRussia.jpg)
AA-12 Fully Automatic Shotgun!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOoUVeyaY_8&feature=youtube_gdata_player#)
That dude is funny. He started off making Call of Duty vids. Now he fakes a Russian accent and gets paid to shoot other people's guns.
Quote from: DucNaked on March 09, 2012, 04:41:26 AM
That dude is funny. He started off making Call of Duty vids. Now he fakes a Russian accent and gets paid to shoot other people's guns.
I can think of worse ways to make money.
Quote from: DucNaked on March 09, 2012, 04:41:26 AM
That dude is funny. He started off making Call of Duty vids. Now he fakes a Russian accent and gets paid to shoot other people's guns.
What a gig!!!
"...and as always..." [laugh]
Quote from: ducatiz on March 09, 2012, 04:58:35 AM
What a gig!!!
I know, right.
I want one of his t-shirts. "Proffesional Russian" Totaly true. [cheeky]
Quote from: ducpainter on March 09, 2012, 05:00:27 AM
"...and as always..." [laugh]
+1
The fake accent is a riot.
Quote from: ducpainter on March 09, 2012, 05:00:27 AM
"...and as always..." [laugh]
....have nice day!
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
I think I am going to try to copy his success but do it with a fake generic Asian accent, ala Jerry Lewis.
Lol.. yea I love his channel just cause its fun and he does get to shoot guns a lot don't.
I thought his one video on the SA-80 was pretty cool. I've read about it being the main gun of the British Military, but never seen one on a video before (or maybe didn't look hard enough). It does seem like a pain in the ass to switch mags in it or grab the charging handle. Or...he just was doing it wrong.
Regardless, love the videos as he owns guns I never will.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/b8ecb2e2.jpg)
Quote from: cupcake on March 09, 2012, 11:05:38 PM
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/b8ecb2e2.jpg)
nice.. is that glass original or a remake?
i love those D models. i hesitate to ask if it's an original issue, but i doubt it given the condition..
Now THAT'S a rifle! [thumbsup] [popcorn] [bow_down]
any recommendations and experiences with this type of gun?
Sorry, what type of gun? Are you referring to cupcake's M1 Garand?
Quote from: fastwin on March 10, 2012, 09:06:43 AM
Sorry, what type of gun? Are you referring to cupcake's M1 Garand?
It's in my 'Subject' line ;)
Oops, missed that.
I like a S&W model 19 for a medium K frame and the 686 for the slightly larger L frame model. Taurus makes some damn fine wheelguns too. Don't own a Taurus but have shot a lot that belong to friends. Even have a couple of older tricked out (Weigand) Ruger SP101s but they are 5 shot models (like a S&W J frame) not the normal 6+ modern .357 revolvers.
Probably my all time favorite is my model 65 Smith. Stainless K round butt frame, 3" barrel, fixed sights. It was the old standard FBI issue wheelgun. But I also had this one slicked up by Weigand. Bobbed/polished hammer so it's DA only, the action is like melted butter!!, polished trigger, chamfered cylinder, ball crane lock, barrel ported by Mag-na-port (http://www.magnaport.com/ (http://www.magnaport.com/)) and fitted with Hogue rubber grips. [thumbsup] It's awesome! [bacon]
Just a huge fan of the K frame Smiths. They always work and are small enough to carry concealed if needed... especially the 2.5" snub models.
That's my affordable offering. Don't get me started on my Pythons! [evil]
Thanks for the info. [thumbsup] Any experience with the Ruger GP100?
Quote from: fastwin on March 10, 2012, 10:05:37 AM
That's my affordable offering. Don't get me started on my Pythons! [evil]
This might [evil]
Can you even still get one without sacrificing an arm, leg and your first born ;D
Quote from: Zaster on March 10, 2012, 10:27:14 AM
Thanks for the info. [thumbsup] Any experience with the Ruger GP100?
Yes. I have a friend that owns one and it's also a damn fine wheelgun. He loves it... hell, I love it but don't need one. Like Taurus, Ruger makes some great revolvers! [thumbsup] And the GP100 is a very nice, well made, accurate medium frame size gun. I think it compares very favorably with a S&W L frame revolver like the 686. And I bet they are cheaper. Lots of aftermarket grips if you want, speedloaders out the kazoo and lots of holster options.
No way you could go wrong with a SP100. Do it. [popcorn]
Quote from: Zaster on March 10, 2012, 10:36:52 AM
This might [evil]
Can you even still get one without sacrificing an arm, leg and your first born ;D
No. And like my 916SPS, my Pythons are being buried with me! [laugh]
If you are willing to look at the Taurus guns, check out the Tracker in 357. I have one of the originals and it's probably the best 357 medium frame I've handled. It's a 7 shot as well. I have nothing bad to say about it.
THe original Trackers came only in 357 and 41mag and both came in stainless OR titanium alloy frames. The titanium framed models are absurdly light and I did not enjoy shooting it at all (and it was the 41mag version so add that to the mix).
They've expanded the "Tracker" line to have a bunch of calibers, but the 357 is the best of the lot.
I also have a King Cobra and various J-frame class guns and like all of them, but the Tracker is the one I take out on dates.
Oooh, I forgot I also have a stainless 4" King Cobra. Also a very nice wheelgun. Python? ... no, but very much in line with Ruger or Taurus revolvers of the kind. Damn, I need to drag out my revolvers and get them dirty! I've been all hung up on Glocks, Hi-Powers and 1911s for way too long. Nothing says fun and 100% reliable like a good revolver.
I even busted out my old blued Colt Diamondback 4" .22LR at my friend's ranch two weeks ago. Haven't shot it in ages. It's just a mini Python and a hell of a little wheelgun. [thumbsup]
How much does that hold ^^
Standard 6 rnd wheelgun. It's an oldie but goodie. It seriously looks like a down sized blue Python. Great little shooter... I forgot how much fun it is and lots of folks at my friend's ranch had never seen one. So it got lots of action and TLC. [thumbsup]
edit: Oops, I was referring to the Diamondback but the same thing applies to the King Cobra except my KC is stainless.
Quote from: fastwin on March 10, 2012, 12:25:12 PM
I even busted out my old blued Colt Diamondback 4" .22LR at my friend's ranch two weeks ago. Haven't shot it in ages. It's just a mini Python and a hell of a little wheelgun. [thumbsup]
I'm having fun with my H&R 999 as well, that's the main reason I started to shop for another revolver.
Thanks for all the recommendations guys. [thumbsup]
[thumbsup] [beer]
I have a Dan Wesson .357 revolver. It is a great gun for the money. I'll try to get pics up tonight.
I used to have a Dan Wesson .44 mag with the 2 barrel factory kit. That was one sweet revolver, very accurate. Should never have traded it.
Is Dan Wesson still selling revolvers?
I remember seeing those, they were handsome guns
I believe he just does 1911s now.
bah... so does my grandmother...
Quote from: ducatiz on March 10, 2012, 03:08:39 PM
Is Dan Wesson still selling revolvers?
I remember seeing those, they were handsome guns
Dan Wesson is owned by cz USA now.
There was talk of them bringing back the revolver line.
They should. [thumbsup]
I love my Dan Wesson. I posted a pic in the picture thread. It is a 6" and shoots very well. The trigger is fantastic.
Them's damn good wheelguns. [thumbsup] [clap] Hopefully they will be more available under the new ownership. Don't see good revolvers like that going the way of the buggy whip any time soon. [popcorn]
I have no idea how any of us 1911 nuts can possibly exist without owning one of these!!!!
http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/2012/03/10/double-barrel-1911/ (http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/2012/03/10/double-barrel-1911/)
Quote from: WarrenJ on March 11, 2012, 04:36:26 PM
I have no idea how any of us 1911 nuts can possibly exist without owning one of these!!!!
http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/2012/03/10/double-barrel-1911/ (http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/2012/03/10/double-barrel-1911/)
All right, id run that. Couldn't find a price though. Mfgr's web site doest play nice on my phone.
Quote from: WarrenJ on March 11, 2012, 04:36:26 PM
I have no idea how any of us 1911 nuts can possibly exist without owning one of these!!!!
http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/2012/03/10/double-barrel-1911/ (http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/2012/03/10/double-barrel-1911/)
very cool in the neat shit sense...but...
double stack, even wider, 45 doesn't make things very ergonomic... :-\
Quote from: Monsterlover on March 11, 2012, 05:01:15 PM
All right, id run that. Couldn't find a price though. Mfgr's web site doest play nice on my phone.
They want you to contact...I can't find a price on the desktop either.
Quote from: ducpainter on March 11, 2012, 05:27:37 PM
very cool in the neat shit sense...but...
double stack, even wider, 45 doesn't make things very ergonomic... :-\They want you to contact...I can't find a price on the desktop either.
That grip would probably fit my hand well. I have a big paw and a normal 1911 is tiny in my hand.
I can't remember the last time I shot mine.
Quote from: Monsterlover on March 11, 2012, 06:16:47 PM
I can't remember the last time I shot mine.
Shame on you! >:( Twenty point deduction for your team. [laugh]
Quote from: ducpainter on March 11, 2012, 05:27:37 PM
very cool in the neat shit sense...but...
double stack, even wider, 45 doesn't make things very ergonomic... :-\They want you to contact...I can't find
The Para Ordnance 1911s were double stack. People were ok with them, unless you mean double as in two 1911 mags?
Quote from: ducatiz on March 12, 2012, 05:37:31 AM
The Para Ordnance 1911s were double stack. People were ok with them, unless you mean double as in two 1911 mags?
Yeah...that looked like two separate mags siamesed together.
I realize pics can be deceiving, but that grip looked huge to me.
Quote from: ducpainter on March 12, 2012, 05:39:18 AM
Yeah...that looked like two separate mags siamesed together.
I realize pics can be deceiving, but that grip looked huge to me.
He's going to sell a few dozen.
and those will rarely be shot.
It's a gimmick. Zero usability.
If you watch the video, the magazine is out at one point, it is two mags siamesed.
I've never seen an Italian Bubba until now.
Its obviously an awkward and highly impractical weapon, but it is an interesting bit if design and would be a fun toy to play with.
Quote from: WarrenJ on March 12, 2012, 06:23:38 AM
Its obviously an awkward and highly impractical weapon, but it is an interesting bit if design and would be a fun toy to play with.
Exactly, and given the fact they won't publish a price, my guess is that they don't know what it will cost to produce or that it's so high they don't want to automatically push people away.
Their only market is the US as well, excluding a few buyers like the house of Saud and some random super-rich around the world.
A few dozen - - 3-4 dozen.
From the doublestack 1911, I click wandered over to this page:
(http://gearsofguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/IMG_2148.jpg)
Shouldn't this be FAQ #1, not #9?
Quote
9. Is there any way I can avoid the ATF Short Barreled Rifle (SBR) law?
Yes. If you have a 16" (or longer) barrel for your Glock.
Quote from: stateprez on March 12, 2012, 07:28:17 AM
From the doublestack 1911, I click wandered over to this page:
(http://gearsofguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/IMG_2148.jpg)
Shouldn't this be FAQ #1, not #9?
yes, well, then no one would buy one.. lol
Quote from: ducatiz on March 12, 2012, 05:48:37 AM
He's going to sell a few dozen.
and those will rarely be shot.
It's a gimmick. Zero usability.
Not if they make an ankle holster for it. [cheeky]
Grumble grumble Don Hume IWB w/ thumb snap 16 weeks to make and deliver grumble grumble...
Any other options for IWB with a thumb snap that you have experience with / would recommend? I started w/ Don Hume 'cuz the counter guy at the local shop let me try his out and I really liked it.
Thx!
All the good holster makers have pretty long wait times.
Quote from: dropstharockalot on March 13, 2012, 10:00:25 AM
Grumble grumble Don Hume IWB w/ thumb snap 16 weeks to make and deliver grumble grumble...
Any other options for IWB with a thumb snap that you have experience with / would recommend? I started w/ Don Hume 'cuz the counter guy at the local shop let me try his out and I really liked it.
Thx!
http://www.ttgunleather.com (http://www.ttgunleather.com)
I started using these guys after I became frustrated with the wait for Milt Sparks. I'm very happy with the one I have.
Quote from: Goat_Herder on March 06, 2012, 01:03:00 PM
That's crazy stupid. Is that just so the manufacturer can say "we made one?"
I was at the local range over the weekend. As I was concentrating at shooting my target, I was blinded by a huge flash and a shock wave that nearly knocked me off my feet. As I recover from my blindness and confusion, I walked to the next stall. I found this dude with a S&W .460. Giant of a gun...
Yeah there is no other use for this other that to say that you can, in another video I watched the guy picked it up like it weighed 50 lbs. Not a practical hunting rifle.
Quote from: stateprez on March 12, 2012, 07:28:17 AM
From the doublestack 1911, I click wandered over to this page:
(http://gearsofguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/IMG_2148.jpg)
Shouldn't this be FAQ #1, not #9?
I was wondering the same thing. I had a 65 year old co-worker who mail ordered one of these for his glock, he asked a gun smith how to take the existing grip off, then mysteriously got a call from the ATF the next day. He was completely clueless about the law, and they let him go with a reminder not to install it.
Quote from: mitt on March 13, 2012, 01:01:59 PM
I was wondering the same thing. I had a 65 year old co-worker who mail ordered one of these for his glock, he asked a gun smith how to take the existing grip off, then mysteriously got a call from the ATF the next day. He was completely clueless about the law, and they let him go with a reminder not to install it.
they called his house or dropped by?
i've had an unofficial visit before. nice fellows, they helped me with my form 4 paperwork.
I only want 4 guns. (Like everyone else it'll problem double n triple lol).. in a few weeks I'm going to put in the paper work for the shotgun/rifle permit here in ny.. the pistol perm is just too expensive..
So 1st I'll try n get a Mossberg 590a.
2 bolt action rifle, was thinking 308 but not sure if reloading for those are sufficient
Both to be used as cc
3 revolver in 357 mag
4 semi auto pistol in 9 mm
Not in any specific order
Recommendations? Yes I know I need to shoot all types to find what's right for me.. strong hands and wrist but have small hands..
One thing you should add to your list is a good, reliable, accurate 22 rifle. Ammo is effective for what it is, inexpensive, accurate within its window. It provides a pile of enjoyment, excellent practice on all the fundamentals and is an excellent low profile foraging gun. Ruger 10-22, Savage bolt actions, the CZ bolt 22's are exquisite. You will shoot that more than all your other long guns combined (or should). If cost is an issue, one of the inexpensive Savage bolt 22's are a great value. They are a little rougher in finish, but I have seen them outshoot guns costing several times more. It should probably be your first rifle.
Quote from: WarrenJ on March 13, 2012, 05:17:24 PM
One thing you should add to your list is a good, reliable, accurate 22 rifle. Ammo is effective for what it is, inexpensive, accurate within its window. It provides a pile of enjoyment, excellent practice on all the fundamentals and is an excellent low profile foraging gun. Ruger 10-22, Savage bolt actions, the CZ bolt 22's are exquisite. You will shoot that more than all your other long guns combined (or should). If cost is an issue, one of the inexpensive Savage bolt 22's are a great value. They are a little rougher in finish, but I have seen them outshoot guns costing several times more. It should probably be your first rifle.
I'd like to add a 10/22 and a CZ 452 to my collection.
The JC Higgins (Marlin) single shot I have is a nice little rifle. [thumbsup]
I've been dreaming of a suppressed 10/22 for a while. Toss in some subsonic rounds, and the turkey vultures around here wouldn't stand a chance.
I've got a 452 trainer with the Mauser style sights & 24" tube. Its a great slim elegant little rifle. I leave it with the iron sights for practice and I probably shoot it more than any rifle I have. I've given some silhouette shooters a drubbing with it against their scopes a couple of times. My wife and I have his and hers 10-22T rifles. They are pretty fun and accurate. With Lapua subsonic hollowpoints, the squirrels have a very bad day. There is probably close to 20 22's of various configurations floating around here somewhere.
Quote from: ducpainter on March 13, 2012, 05:20:52 PM
I'd like to add a 10/22 and a CZ 452 to my collection.
The JC Higgins (Marlin) single shot I have is a nice little rifle. [thumbsup]
I have a Marlin 989 that I cannot part with. They made it a somewhat copy of the M1. Very heavy barrel though and easy, solid action.
If you can fine one, pick it up, they stopped making them 20 years ago. Not as extensible as a Ruger 10/22, but very fine rifle in 22.
The second year we shot Second Chance in Michigan, my wife won a walnut stocked 100 shot Calico 22 in the Three Person Team Event. Its not a tack driver but if you miss with the first one "HEY!!" I got 99 more to miss with too! Interesting device.
I shot a Bizon remake that used a Calico 9mm drum -- they couldnt' get a real Bizon drum so they modified the design to feed using the Calico. PRetty slick little smg
Ah yes.. the inevitable 22.. ok 5 guns.. will deff get a 22 rifle in the mix.. thanks for the reminder..
Quote from: cokey on March 13, 2012, 08:38:37 PM
Ah yes.. the inevitable 22.. ok 5 guns.. will deff get a 22 rifle in the mix.. thanks for the reminder..
I have a bunch of guns, so I'm probably not the guy to give advice about models and calibers -- I love all of them. I also have a bunch of oddball calibers lyign around which is a huge PIA when I go to the range.. 7.5 french, 6.8 carcano, 7.5 swiss, 7.57 on and on.
But if you "put a gun to my head" i'd want common calibers for everythign.
22 target pistol or rifle. Even a good 22 pistol is good for small game or defense if needed. a Ruger Mark II with a bull barrel is easily accurate to 50-100 feet with the iron sights.
9mm pistol. Glock 19. It's not pretty, it's not going to sing you to sleep at night, but it holds 17 rounds and you can poop in it and it will still work.
357 wheelgun -- I would definitely pick the Taurus Tracker. 7 rounds of love.
308 -- anything with a remington action and a heavy barrel 20-22". you can put that action/barrel into a crap stock and still get good performance with good ammo.
shotgun? any that you can get lots of replacement parts for (not "tactical" shit, stuff that's actually useful like a trigger group, firing pin, etc) your mossy 590 is going to be nearly indestructible. pick up a spare trigger group, bolt, pin, and stick them in a baggy in your closet or where you can get them. if something goes, it's cheap insurance.
Quote from: zach on March 13, 2012, 11:24:24 AM
http://www.ttgunleather.com (http://www.ttgunleather.com)
I started using these guys after I became frustrated with the wait for Milt Sparks. I'm very happy with the one I have.
Those look fine... I just didn't see an IWB with a thumb snap among their offerings.
Quote from: ducatiz on March 14, 2012, 06:09:55 AM
It's not pretty, it's not going to sing you to sleep at night, but it holds 17 rounds and you can poop in it and it will still work.
Strangest mental image I've had in quite some time [laugh]
Quote from: dropstharockalot on March 14, 2012, 06:15:08 AM
Those look fine... I just didn't see an IWB with a thumb snap among their offerings.
Oops! Looks like they don't do one offs anymore. Sorry about that.
,,,
Quote from: ducatiz on March 14, 2012, 06:09:55 AM
I have a bunch of guns, so I'm probably not the guy to give advice about models and calibers -- I love all of them. I also have a bunch of oddball calibers lyign around which is a huge PIA when I go to the range.. 7.5 french, 6.8 carcano, 7.5 swiss, 7.57 on and on.
But if you "put a gun to my head" i'd want common calibers for everythign.
22 target pistol or rifle. Even a good 22 pistol is good for small game or defense if needed. a Ruger Mark II with a bull barrel is easily accurate to 50-100 feet with the iron sights.
9mm pistol. Glock 19. It's not pretty, it's not going to sing you to sleep at night, but it holds 17 rounds and you can poop in it and it will still work.
357 wheelgun -- I would definitely pick the Taurus Tracker. 7 rounds of love.
308 -- anything with a remington action and a heavy barrel 20-22". you can put that action/barrel into a crap stock and still get good performance with good ammo.
shotgun? any that you can get lots of replacement parts for (not "tactical" shit, stuff that's actually useful like a trigger group, firing pin, etc) your mossy 590 is going to be nearly indestructible. pick up a spare trigger group, bolt, pin, and stick them in a baggy in your closet or where you can get them. if something goes, it's cheap insurance.
Everything that he just said! [thumbsup]
The most important thing you can acquire is genuine competence with what you have. Spend the time and money on purposeful practice and ammunition instead of that cool looking extra gadget. Identify measurable goals of competence i.e. keeping ten shots in a row in a paper plate at 7 yards in 10 seconds with a pistol or being able to load a magazine in the dark in X amount of time, just so you can measure your improvements and quantify your competence.
You don't need fancy equipment, you need solidly reliable equipment, simpler the better and true competence with what you have. The weapon is you, these gadgets are just your end effectors.
A competent, confident person with a 22 will beat a wannabe with his double throwdown, lazer sighted, extended mag, supergun just about every time.
Everything he just said too! [thumbsup]
This is an interesting thought but it will never happen. As usual WFAA/Channel 8 (local ABC TV) completely leaves out the whole Class III mess and bother to say nothing of the expense of a good can. [bang] :P Besides, if the hunter in the story has hearing problems why not just buy a pair of muffs or foam ear plugs? Duh??
http://www.wfaa.com/news/texas-news/Texas-considering-sound-suppressors-on-hunting-rifles-142577465.html (http://www.wfaa.com/news/texas-news/Texas-considering-sound-suppressors-on-hunting-rifles-142577465.html)
Don't go "gun law" on this topic... please!! >:( It's just a suppresor/hunting thing being considered by TX Parks & Wildlife. Although I don't even know why they are even considering it? [roll]
Quote from: fastwin on March 14, 2012, 08:38:44 AM
This is an interesting thought but it will never happen. As usual WFAA/Channel 8 (local ABC TV) completely leaves out the whole Class III mess and bother to say nothing of the expense of a good can. [bang] :P Besides, if the hunter in the story has hearing problems why not just buy a pair of muffs or foam ear plugs? Duh??
http://www.wfaa.com/news/texas-news/Texas-considering-sound-suppressors-on-hunting-rifles-142577465.html (http://www.wfaa.com/news/texas-news/Texas-considering-sound-suppressors-on-hunting-rifles-142577465.html)
Don't go "gun law" on this topic... please!! >:( It's just a suppresor/hunting thing being considered by TX Parks & Wildlife. Although I don't even know why they are even considering it? [roll]
In Finland, cans are available over the counter like cleaning supplies.
Plenty of shooters and hunters there and no one would think of hunting without one -- it's considered ungentlemanlike to make that much noise.
I saw a deal about stag hunting in Scotland, where their equivalent to OSHA required the use of suppressors when hunting to protect the hearing of guides.
I kinda like the noise. ;D But I also wear electronic muffs and foam plugs to save what is left of my already bad hearing. Won't even take an intown scooter ride without ear plugs. [Dolph]
I've heard that Finland/can comment before but didn't know for sure if it was fact. The last Finn friend I had was on my infamous turkey attack/neck breaking ride to Arkansas in '07 and he left for home shortly thereafter. The subject of suppresors in his homeland never came up.
Quote from: fastwin on March 14, 2012, 09:16:14 AM
I kinda like the noise. ;D But I also wear electronic muffs and foam plugs to save what is left of my already bad hearing. Won't even take an intown scooter ride without ear plugs. [Dolph]
I've heard that Finland/can comment before but didn't know for sure if it was fact. The last Finn friend I had was on my infamous turkey attack/neck breaking ride to Arkansas in '07 and he left for home shortly thereafter. The subject of suppresors in his homeland never came up.
http://guns.connect.fi/rs/general.html (http://guns.connect.fi/rs/general.html)
The Reflex brand is one of the better ones. The AR suppressor was â,¬30 when I was there in 2004.
Quote from: zach on March 14, 2012, 07:17:44 AM
Oops! Looks like they don't do one offs anymore. Sorry about that.
No worries, thanks for the link.
Quote from: ducatiz on March 14, 2012, 06:09:55 AM
I have a bunch of guns, so I'm probably not the guy to give advice about models and calibers -- I love all of them. I also have a bunch of oddball calibers lyign around which is a huge PIA when I go to the range.. 7.5 french, 6.8 carcano, 7.5 swiss, 7.57 on and on.
But if you "put a gun to my head" i'd want common calibers for everythign.
22 target pistol or rifle. Even a good 22 pistol is good for small game or defense if needed. a Ruger Mark II with a bull barrel is easily accurate to 50-100 feet with the iron sights.
9mm pistol. Glock 19. It's not pretty, it's not going to sing you to sleep at night, but it holds 17 rounds and you can poop in it and it will still work.
357 wheelgun -- I would definitely pick the Taurus Tracker. 7 rounds of love.
308 -- anything with a remington action and a heavy barrel 20-22". you can put that action/barrel into a crap stock and still get good performance with good ammo.
shotgun? any that you can get lots of replacement parts for (not "tactical" shit, stuff that's actually useful like a trigger group, firing pin, etc) your mossy 590 is going to be nearly indestructible. pick up a spare trigger group, bolt, pin, and stick them in a baggy in your closet or where you can get them. if something goes, it's cheap insurance.
You pretty much just described my closet:
22 target pistol AND rifle. - check and check, 10/22 and taurus tracker 22 and walther p22
9mm pistol. Glock 19. - check, gen 3
357 wheelgun --I would definitely pick the Taurus Tracker. - check, 6" barrel tracker .357
308 - I do not have this yet.
shotgun - check, cheap remmington 870 express
Definitely going to a few shotgun classes after I acquire one. Thanks for the tips.. will run many night drills.. use to waking up middle of night being alert while groggy with the 2 lil ones..
Quote from: cokey on March 14, 2012, 02:36:26 PM
Definitely going to a few shotgun classes after I acquire one. Thanks for the tips.. will run many night drills.. use to waking up middle of night being alert while groggy with the 2 lil ones..
Huge fan of shotgun classes... hmmmm, maybe thats why I ran one for 11 years and took as many as I could from great instructors! [thumbsup] The ultimate weapon and the ultimate misunderstood weapon all in one.
If you are thinking Mossberg 500/590 you cannot go wrong. It's one of many I brands I love. The loading port is cavernous and has nothing in the way ala Remington, Benelli, etc.
Shotguns are like revolvers... they are instantly empty and need reloading. Shooting fast and getting hits is great... as always. But reloading fast is just as important. And without 3 gun competition fast load tube set ups I can reload my Mossbergs faster than any other scattergun by hand. The Ithaca 37 is real close for the same reason.
Clint Smith at Thunder Ranch loved sticking me with hot shots running Benelli M1 Super 90s. I ran my Mossberg Class III 14.5" barrel ghost ring sight 590. I was better and younger back then but I could shoot and hit as fast as them but could load faster with the 590 and would always time them out. The win was for re-loading not shooting. Like baseball you have to be a complete player... catch, throw and hit... shoot, hit and re-load. ;)
Jessie Abbate aka Jasmine Jessie's shotgun loading technique (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbCjcEO9z1A&feature=youtube_gdata_player#)
Um... I'll be in my bunk.
That girl's dangerous.
Awesome
I've seen that clip before. Still amazing to watch. I've seen some three gunners handle four shells in one hand and do something similar. Damn cool to see in person. I can't do it... hands aren't big enough. I could safely handle 2 and get it right most of the time.
But she proves my earlier point. Re-loading anything is just as important as hits.
Nice opportunity to dip ones toe into the CZ well, for cheap! Any reviews on the 82?
http://www.jgsales.com/-p-6779.html (http://www.jgsales.com/-p-6779.html)
Only thing is my local FFL charges a hundy to handle the transfer......
Quote from: rgramjet on March 15, 2012, 02:47:55 PM
Nice opportunity to dip ones toe into the CZ well, for cheap! Any reviews on the 82?
http://www.jgsales.com/-p-6779.html (http://www.jgsales.com/-p-6779.html)
Only thing is my local FFL charges a hundy to handle the transfer......
My buddy has 2 of them...I'd get one, but I'm gonna get the 22 adapter for my 85 first.
They're good solid pistols. Compact and all steel. They should fire any ammo, but keep in mind Euro pistols were not designed for hollow points.
$100 is robbery for a transfer IMO. Does he use your gun to steal from you?
Interesting, what do they do with hollow points? Unreliable or wont feed at all?
For $229, I was going to buy two! Until I saw the fee to tranfer. I really need to move to a different
state......
Or find a different FFL holder.
Quote from: rgramjet on March 15, 2012, 03:20:05 PM
Interesting, what do they do with hollow points? Unreliable or wont feed at all?
For $229, I was going to buy two! Until I saw the fee to tranfer. I really need to move to a different
state......
Some people report feeding issues. Some have no problem.
It's hard telling on the net. The ones that have trouble might have trouble with an AK.
IMO $329+ shipping is too much for a $250 + shipping gun
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/c0e9b99a.jpg)
How far D?
Quote from: ducpainter on March 15, 2012, 04:09:18 PM
How far D?
Their first day shooting UKD, so we had steel out from 450-850. We set one out at 1,550 for us to play with.
Quote from: rgramjet on March 15, 2012, 02:47:55 PM
Nice opportunity to dip ones toe into the CZ well, for cheap! Any reviews on the 82?
http://www.jgsales.com/-p-6779.html (http://www.jgsales.com/-p-6779.html)
Only thing is my local FFL charges a hundy to handle the transfer......
I picked up a Bulgarian Mak a while back and have shot it only once. It's a mixed bag. The makarov round is actually pretty decent for the size, but the old school guns weigh a ton and ammo isn't cheap. It's not a good carry gun, even though people do carry them. There are plenty of better (i.e. smaller, lighter, cheaper, better performance etc) options out there.
Of course, if you just want the thrill of shooting a ComBloc pistol, they are fine.
My Bulgy Mak came in a pair -- the serial numbers have a Cyrillic two-letter prefix. One is "AH" which of course is "AN" in Roman letters, but the other was "AЖ" which the FFL transposed as "AX"... They were imported before the party favors guys got wind of them being sold with non-standard serials. Effectively untraceable.
Quote from: kupcaker on March 15, 2012, 04:13:56 PM
Their first day shooting UKD, so we had steel out from 450-850. We set one out at 1,550 for us to play with.
I haven't had the opportunity to air anything out long range since last summer. Analyzing a shot, making your adjustments and landing a first round hit is a great feeling. Several years ago, I had the opportunity to demo my friend's 50 Cal bolt rifles he was making. A customer wanted to see it shot at 2000 yards. We screwed the barrel into the action the night before and I had done some calculations about how much elevation we needed. We had to machine a special base that had .200" taper in 8" to have enough elevation in the scope. I boresighted it, dialed in my caluclated data and we drove out to the guys ranch. He had a white 55 gallon drum out in a freshly plowed black field that was closer to a mile than 2000. I set up, made my adjustments for wind and the different elevation and touched off a tracer. It went about 6 feet from the barrel. The customers were real impressed that the first round was that close and I made a grand explanation about how we calculated and machined everything and such accuracy was completely normal. Inside, I'm like "WHEW - WERE WE LUCKY" I was happy we hit the hill! They bought 4 rifles, so it was a worthwhile trip. I really miss doing that stuff. Once you get past a half mile, things start getting interesting.
Cool story. [thumbsup] I'm for shit at long range shooting. Probably why I have always taken urban rifle classes where the shoot out was 100-200 meters max. ;D I'm more better at hand shake and entry room distance. [laugh]
We were working on the 1,550 tgt with a KAC M110. We will have the Barrett's out next week.
Nice.. % of hits? Or ya didn't count due to having fun?
Quote from: cokey on March 15, 2012, 05:44:17 PM
Nice.. % of hits? Or ya didn't count due to having fun?
Just the Instructors were shooting at it, 5 rds only. I hit it twice.
Quote from: kupcaker on March 15, 2012, 05:30:46 PM
KAC M110.
So, how would you rate the Knights when compared to your new toy? And now that I think about it, I can't recall if yours was the "lite" or not...
Quote from: DRKWNG on March 15, 2012, 06:02:06 PM
So, how would you rate the Knights when compared to your new toy? And now that I think about it, I can't recall if yours was the "lite" or not...
The KAC is an ok gun, but it doesn't come close to the OBR. Mines an 18in 7.62
I've heard that from a few other people as well. Funny how the LaRue stuff is also a good bit more affordable. Shame they don't make a full ambi lower...
Quote from: DRKWNG on March 15, 2012, 06:41:01 PM
I've heard that from a few other people as well. Funny how the LaRue stuff is also a good bit more affordable. Shame they don't make a full ambi lower...
Devil Handed eh?
I'm right handed, just left eye dominant and don't really feel like combating the fact that I've hardwired myself to operate long arms as a south paw.
You'll live ;)
Quote from: DRKWNG on March 15, 2012, 06:48:53 PM
I'm right handed, just left eye dominant and don't really feel like combating the fact that I've hardwired myself to operate long arms as a south paw.
I am also right handed, left eye dominate. I shoot long guns off my left side, but shoot handguns right handed. It gets rather annoying having shells fly across your face <sigh>
It should be easy enough to make an ambi version just for the lower, unless you're talking about more than the release and selector.
Who was it making LH uppers? ANyone have one of those?
Quote from: ducatiz on March 15, 2012, 07:12:50 PM
It should be easy enough to make an ambi version just for the lower, unless you're talking about more than the release and selector.
Who was it making LH uppers? ANyone have one of those?
There are several out there, but he was talking about a LaRue
Not all that concerned about the upper, as I got used to the brass in front of my face long ago; I just like ambi controls. My SR lower is full ambi, which is nice, but the jury is still out on the integrated swivel mounts. I'd like to slap a Noveske barrel on the thing, but the E3 bolt rules that out. Guess it's time for a new BCG as well. [roll]
I just saw this, hope you all didn't.
When one is not enough.
http://youtu.be/BM-DGaNmtA0 (http://youtu.be/BM-DGaNmtA0)
How about 2 .45's in one.
Quote from: spolic on March 16, 2012, 08:45:11 AM
I just saw this, hope you all didn't.
When one is not enough.
http://youtu.be/BM-DGaNmtA0 (http://youtu.be/BM-DGaNmtA0)
How about 2 .45's in one.
derby
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=39943.msg1034881#msg1034881 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=39943.msg1034881#msg1034881)
Tell me again, how many points are deducted for that?
[cheeky]
Quote from: spolic on March 16, 2012, 10:00:52 AM
Tell me again, how many points are deducted for that?
[cheeky]
11tybillion points...
;D
[bacon]
Quote from: spolic on March 16, 2012, 10:00:52 AM
Tell me again, how many points are deducted for that?
[cheeky]
Your avatar is limited to a goofy, disembodied profile image of you with a mouthful of bird poop.
oh, wait..
hehe
No poop. That picture was taken after a 200+ mile ride NW of Napa a few days before the Laguna Moto GP Race. I was beat down.
After spending a bit of time researching and trying out some semi auto pistols I have narrowed the search down to 2. I have been going back and forth between the Springfield XD 9mm (4 inch) and the Ruger sr9. I fired both guns back to back yesterday and am leaning towards the XD. The pistol will be used for HD and possibly CCW down the line. I did not shoot the compact version of either one..because i'm a newb to handguns and felt that full size pistol would be better to start with. Any of you experts/enthusiast have any experience with either? The only reason why I haven't completely ruled out the Ruger is the 1911 style thumb safety. I have 2 young kids in the house, and while i would never leave a handgun in any state that they could even breath on it, the extra safety makes me feel a little better. The other side to this argument is the extra step of the safety in a high stress situation. What say you, gun yodas of the DMF?
Quote from: brix821 on March 22, 2012, 10:34:09 AM
Any of you experts/enthusiast have any experience with either? The only reason why I haven't completely ruled out the Ruger is the 1911 style thumb safety. I have 2 young kids in the house, and while i would never leave a handgun in any state that they could even breath on it, the extra safety makes me feel a little better. The other side to this argument is the extra step of the safety in a high stress situation. What say you, gun yodas of the DMF?
I look at it this way.
Pretend the gun is a vat of acid and you have kids around. Safety? My ass.
I don't care what the gun has on it, I don't want my kid to have access to it. If it is out, then its on my body. If it is put away, then it's in a fingerprint-access save bolted to the wall next to my bed.
Do not let the false security of a gun safety make you feel one iota safer with your kids.
My son (4) was fiddling with the safe. It's a slim box on the wall in our bedroom. He was trying to open it and Mrs Ducatiz asked him what he wanted and he said "i want to shoot daddy's gun".. I made a sweep of the house to make sure everything was secure again and that both of the home defense devices were inaccessible. I have a shotgun I need to secure too and that will be difficult to keep it quickly accessible.
If you have young kids, I recommend a fingerprint safe. Takes about 2 seconds to open. Mall mount it so the finger sensor is up top and it flops open.. very fast
http://www.ankaka.com/fingerprint-access-safe-executive-biometric-security-box-stores-multiple-users-fingerprints_p1193.html (http://www.ankaka.com/fingerprint-access-safe-executive-biometric-security-box-stores-multiple-users-fingerprints_p1193.html)
a biometric safe will be purchased along side the pistol. I suppose that a safety is pointless if a gun is properly stored and handled, which it will be.
ahootting and learning more about firearms has been enjoyable. Especially the 10mm MP5!
Quote from: brix821 on March 22, 2012, 10:52:59 AM
a biometric safe will be purchased along side the pistol. I suppose that a safety is pointless if a gun is properly stored and handled, which it will be.
yes, it's pointless. it's a good discussion though, because it's called a "safety" so we're inclined to think it's safer.
unsupervised kids and guns are just bad news.
Get some vids of that 10mm..
pics in a bit.
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thank the anticipation for the goofy face!
Quote from: ducatiz on March 22, 2012, 10:47:32 AM
I look at it this way.
Pretend the gun is a vat of acid and you have kids around. Safety? My ass.
I don't care what the gun has on it, I don't want my kid to have access to it. If it is out, then its on my body. If it is put away, then it's in a fingerprint-access save bolted to the wall next to my bed.
Do not let the false security of a gun safety make you feel one iota safer with your kids.
My son (4) was fiddling with the safe. It's a slim box on the wall in our bedroom. He was trying to open it and Mrs Ducatiz asked him what he wanted and he said "i want to shoot daddy's gun".. I made a sweep of the house to make sure everything was secure again and that both of the home defense devices were inaccessible. I have a shotgun I need to secure too and that will be difficult to keep it quickly accessible.
If you have young kids, I recommend a fingerprint safe. Takes about 2 seconds to open. Mall mount it so the finger sensor is up top and it flops open.. very fast
http://www.ankaka.com/fingerprint-access-safe-executive-biometric-security-box-stores-multiple-users-fingerprints_p1193.html (http://www.ankaka.com/fingerprint-access-safe-executive-biometric-security-box-stores-multiple-users-fingerprints_p1193.html)
What he said! [thumbsup]
Quote from: brix821 on March 22, 2012, 01:54:27 PM
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thank the anticipation for the goofy face!
your facial expression is like a commercial for something like processed cheese or "I can't believe it's not butter"
i was about to let the words " Lets try full auto" out of my mouth
Picked up Springfield XD 9mm today. I have to wait 24 hours because some fool somewhere did something dirty with my good name.
now to pick out a biometric safe...
Nice [thumbsup]
Quote from: brix821 on March 23, 2012, 02:02:28 PM
Picked up Springfield XD 9mm today. I have to wait 24 hours because some fool somewhere did something dirty with my good name.
now to pick out a biometric safe...
that link i posted above is about the best price i've seen. that's the one i have, biobox
I picked up my FN Five-Seven yesterday.
Got to shoot it today.
LOVE IT!!!!!!
Pics ...
FN 5-7!! [thumbsup]
And I like the fact this is page 223 of this thread! [laugh]
I have to post on page 223!
UPDATE!!!!
My class III tax stamp came in!!!!! I picked up my first suppressor. I bought a Silenserco Sparrow 22 for my Browning Buckmark .22. Here are a few pics.
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So far it has been great! I can shoot this thing anywhere without anyone knowing. It is awesome!
PS: it is approved for the FN 5-7 round as well!
That's awesome- I looked at the Sparrow. I really liked the multi part takedown system. I wanted a K-baffle for less FRP, so I went with the Genesis.
Doing a form 4 for a Thomson Machine Isis 9mm this week for my SBR/G17.
How long did your stamp take?
Quote from: Monsterlover on March 25, 2012, 05:18:03 PM
Pics ...
Sorry, I don't post pictures of my guns on the net.
It is a handgun that shoots a 5.7x28mm rifle round
Here is a link to the wikipedia article. Lots of controversy surrounding this gun as FN developed it for NATO and then hit the civilian market. It will penetrate soft body armor which makes it a target of anti-gun people as the only purpose is to kill police officers, etc. I will stop there. Plenty on the net to read about the issues surrounding this gun.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_Five-seven (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_Five-seven)
Kind of expensive to shoot, but well worth it
[thumbsup] [thumbsup]
My stamp took just over 6 months.
For a 22 you almost need to be able to service the can yourself. The lead build up is crazy! If you are shooting jacketed rounds then it is not a big deal. It is hard to find subsonic or even standard velocity rounds that are jacketed. that is why I went with the sparrow. This is the new all stainless steel design. It is rated for up to full auto.
I'm looking to fill out my next form 4 for a 9mm AR SBR that is integrally suppressed. ;D
As this is page 223, I've only tried one .223, but it is a keeper...IWI Tavor Tar 21.
Quote from: ducrider45 on March 26, 2012, 11:14:37 AM
My stamp took just over 6 months.
For a 22 you almost need to be able to service the can yourself. The lead build up is crazy! If you are shooting jacketed rounds then it is not a big deal. It is hard to find subsonic or even standard velocity rounds that are jacketed. that is why I went with the sparrow. This is the new all stainless steel design. It is rated for up to full auto.
I'm looking to fill out my next form 4 for a 9mm AR SBR that is integrally suppressed. ;D
I think I'm looking at July on my current form 4. Supposedly there are some electronic improvements coming...probably just in time for NFA 2013.
Mine has removable baffles. Seems like everyone has a different opinion on cleaning, solvents, etc.
I'm going to try and get my new CMMG 9mm lower engraved this week so I can send my Form 1 in.
Alternate shooting positions and shooting through a loophole.
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some other new items that i have picked up in the last few weeks.include a 1969 colt single action 22/ 22 mag. This gun looks like it is new. From what I can tell the original owner never used it. he shot it a few times when he bought it and then it sat. I have also just bought a new carry gun. It is a Ruger SP101 in 327 Federal Magnum. It is a six shot revolver that I have outfited with CT laser grips. Here they are:
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That Ruger's a nice machine!
Purdy ... that's a good carry..
That 327 is an interesting little cartridge. I have a 32 H&R Mag in a 10" Ruger Single Six. With the 10" already making the gun unwieldy I threw a pistol scope on it too. On a good day, I've shot 85 grain XTP's into sub 1.5" groups at 100 yards. That little cartridge is also pretty violent on critters and stuff. I'd like to mess with the 327, its even more so. A Contender carbine barrel in that caliber would be real interesting.
Anybody heard of these?
http://stickyholsters.com/ (http://stickyholsters.com/)
Coworker claims it is awesome. I'm more than a bit skeptical. Anybody with FHE?
Quote from: cokey on March 27, 2012, 09:00:04 AM
Purdy ... that's a good carry..
it is usual accompanied by a Kimber compact stainless as well.
(http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/ducrider45/DSCF5615.jpg)
Quote from: WarrenJ on March 27, 2012, 10:10:57 AM
That 327 is an interesting little cartridge. I have a 32 H&R Mag in a 10" Ruger Single Six. With the 10" already making the gun unwieldy I threw a pistol scope on it too. On a good day, I've shot 85 grain XTP's into sub 1.5" groups at 100 yards. That little cartridge is also pretty violent on critters and stuff. I'd like to mess with the 327, its even more so. A Contender carbine barrel in that caliber would be real interesting.
Agreed! I think that this may be in the works. I have seen a lot of talk about this round being used in a rifle. it has been suggested that this may prove to be a great hunting round.
Just looked at the sticky holster website. I am not super impressed with the holster. I think it would be fine for sedentary activities, but I'd be afraid if I had to run or move violently for any period of time. I did like their mag pouches though. I think they would stay in place well enough and I like that they can accomodate a variety of things such as lights and different size mags in the same pouch. Might give the magpouch a try.
Quote from: WarrenJ on March 27, 2012, 10:50:18 AM
Just looked at the sticky holster website. I am not super impressed with the holster. I think it would be fine for sedentary activities, but I'd be afraid if I had to run or move violently for any period of time. I did like their mag pouches though. I think they would stay in place well enough and I like that they can accomodate a variety of things such as lights and different size mags in the same pouch. Might give the magpouch a try.
It looks nice for the pocket. Im not too sure about inside the waist though.
Looking to by a 22 bolt action rifle. I think that I have it narrowed down to the Savage Mark II FV-SR. Anyone know anything about this rifle? Any reason not to buy it?
I had been looking at the Ruger 77/22, but there was just too much negative feedback online. It is also $500 more than the Savage. The Savage has many more options as well. Great trigger, scope rail, 3 position safety, factory bull barrel and a threaded muzzle [bacon].
Savage has a current history of making great bolt action rifles. It wouldn't surprise me one bit that their line of .22s also rock!
Actually a bolt action .22lr is one of the guns I don't own but would like to. [popcorn] A good friend has a CZ bolt action .22mag and it's a damn tack driver! [thumbsup] Different round of course but I love shooting his CZ. It is what he uses for spring turkey hunting. I bet he has head shot two dozen plus turkeys over the years with that plinker and supplied me and the guys with untold delicious lunches and dinners! [bow_down] [drool]
Love my 10/22 Rugers and old take down Brownings but one of these days I need to look into a good bolt action .22. Funny... the older I get the more I love shooting .22s. Guess the circle is getting complete. You end where you start. ;) ;D
As far as bolt action 22's go, the Savage is probably one of the most accurate for the dollar. I have a CZ 22 lr that is a great gun also. More money, but better fit and finish.
My plan is to customize it. Something like this http://rifle-stocks.com/silhouette.htm
(http://rifle-stocks.com/silhouette.htm). I can get this stock for the CZ or the Savage. Key items that I will need are a great trigger and a threaded barrel. I will have a scope on the rifle as well.
I have a 10/22 and I love it. It is a bit too nice to take out to the field with me. It is the USA Shooting Team edition. It has the broad stripe Red, White & Blue Barracuda stock on it. It is a 9lb gun and needs a bench.
I own a Savage MKIIFV .22lr, aside from the stock being very light in balance too the barrel, the only problem was feeding the last round when the gun was new. After a little feedramp contouring with a stone, and a couple hundred rounds have had no problems. The model I have was made in Canada, shoots very well, likes a good variety of ammo. I added some weight to the stock, mounted a cheap 3x9 tasco Pronghorn scope and have fun. The trigger pull was not bad, a little heavy but short and clean. works for what I am doing, the Accutrigger might be better, don't know. I feel this rifle is a very good deal for the money and has potential as a starting point for a nice build... [thumbsup]
The 22lr I've long wanted to own is true biathlon rifle like this:
(http://www.championshooters.com/images/ansguns/1827-Fortner-big.JPG)
Alas, $2,000+ for a used gun that I don't have dependable enough snow to use properly seems a bit silly. There are some conversion kits for Marlin & Savage rifles that would reduce that toll by half or more, but it's still not cheap. I've fantasized a bit about trying to organize some sort of Mountain Bike Biathlon around here...
Well then I have made up my mind. Savage it is. This will be a build and will happen after I fix up my Monster a bit. She needs a valve adjustment, belts, chain, rear sprocket and new tires. I am looking for the base gun now though. They are hard to find.
Now to decide on a color for the stock. My options are here:http://rifle-stocks.com/laminated_woods.htm (http://rifle-stocks.com/laminated_woods.htm)
I like the apache gold, the electric blue, yellowjacket and black widow.
I forgot to add my lever action Winchester 94s to the list. Love those guns too. [thumbsup] But a good, accurate bolt action .22lr just has an appeal that's hard to ignore. Something that's fun to shoot, accurate and cheap to shoot just makes a lot of sense in this day.
As far as Biathlon rifles go, the Russian ones are pretty decent if you set them up rignt. You can get the good ones for $1000 - $1400 new. I have been thinking about building a biathlon gun using a Ruger 96/22 action, adding a match barrel, sights and a modified stock. I think that would be a ripping Biathlon gun. The accuracy for Biathlon is not that demanding. Prone is easy even if you are pretty darn winded if you have the slightest clue about how to shoot smallbore. Offhand is tough at the best of times - the human error there far exceeds the variation from raw rifle accuracy. I've shot several matches and was usually one of the top shooters. My speed, on the other hand was another story. I've been a classic X-C skiier since the mid '70's and I just cannot make the transition to skate skiing. I just end up laying in the snow for no apparent reason. [bang] Some of the skaters can miss every target and still beat me with their blazing fast times.
Quote from: fastwin on March 29, 2012, 10:12:16 AM
I forgot to add my lever action Winchester 94s to the list. Love those guns too. [thumbsup] But a good, accurate bolt action .22lr just has an appeal that's hard to ignore. Something that's fun to shoot, accurate and cheap to shoot just makes a lot of sense in this day.
I have a few Marlin lever rifles and one 94.....the 9417. Sweet little rifle!
Check out the Ruger 77/17. They are more expensive to shoot than a .22 lr but its fun to reach out to 200 with reasonable accuracy.
Quote from: rgramjet on March 29, 2012, 10:49:11 AM
I have a few Marlin lever rifles and one 94.....the 9417. Sweet little rifle!
Check out the Ruger 77/17. They are more expensive to shoot than a .22 lr but its fun to reach out to 200 with reasonable accuracy.
I have a Rossi Puma 94 SRC which is a copy of a Marlin 94. It weighs about 2 lbs (feels like it).. Only downside for me is the caliber in 45LC. I'd prefer it in 357, but I love that little rifle, it's a hoot to shoot.
I'm blessed with Win 94s in .22lr, .22mag, .357mag. 45LC and a pre '64 .30-.30 my late Dad owned. Now that they are long gone I wouldn't trade anything for them. A few years ago my now teenage step son wanted a lever action .22lr to go with his Ruger .22lr SA Bearcat... old west stuff turns him on! Couldn't find a Win 94 anywhere for a decent price and my older brother pushed me toward the Henry. He bought them for his 2 boys. Great push! Damn nice lever action .22lr for a great price. [thumbsup]
I also love my model 94 in .357mag. It will eat .38spl. ball ammo all day and is as much fun or more than the .22lr model 94! Great rifles. Sorry to see them go extinct. Bad on you FN! >:( But there are lots of good lever actions out there to take their place. [bacon] [bow_down]
Not that the models are the same or caliber....but
I have a Savage 110 BA Long Action chambered in 300 winmag. It's niceeeeee. I love the accutrigger system. Overall, it is a VERY well built firearm.
I think Savage makes a very good gun. I have been nothing but pleased with my purchase.
As I said, Savage currently makes some damn nice off the shelf bolt action rifles. I don't think that was appreciated or known in the past but it is now. About time! [thumbsup] [popcorn]
Had the MK13's out today, M107 tomorrow.
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Sorry, stupid question... but are those Accuracy Intl. based rifles?
Quote from: fastwin on March 30, 2012, 08:28:46 AM
Sorry, stupid question... but are those Accuracy Intl. based rifles?
Yes
[thumbsup]
Pics from today with the M107
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[bow_down]
[drool]
How far out are you shooting?
I shot my .50 today too!
my .50 cal is a little bit smaller than your M107 though.
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Quote from: ducrider45 on March 30, 2012, 06:58:38 PM
[bow_down]
[drool]
How far out are you shooting?
We had tgts from 1-2,000yds
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Here are a few pictures of my Savage 110BA chambered in 300 WinMag
(http://s14.postimage.org/wdlxp0blp/P3300007.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/wdlxp0blp/)
(http://s17.postimage.org/lenpa444b/P3300008.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/lenpa444b/)
(http://s16.postimage.org/r6a1c19sh/P3300009.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/r6a1c19sh/)
(I knew my wife's yoga mat would be good for something, LOL)
Nice Savage! [thumbsup]
I'll have to squish up some of my 205 grain low drags for you to try. We've killed deer with them over the 4 digit mark.
Anyone reloading ammo for a Glock 23? If so, your recommendations and cautions.
I know about the 'no lead' bullets and no hot loads in used brass.
I love the 19/23 size Glocks but I do not reload. Sorry... no help there. Got rid of my G22s and am down to a 23 and a 27 in .40S&W. Not the world's biggest fan of the 40s, just like the size pistols Glock offers them in. More of a 9mm and .45acp guy. Hope you get some reload feedback. [thumbsup]
I use-
Starline brass for cases.
I shoot lead but you can also get plated bullets from the same places. I've used Seminole brass and bullet and the bullet works (both online) and have had good quality and delivery from both places. These are lead round nose that I've been buying and the come sized, lubed and ready to drop in a case.
I use bullseye powder only because its worked well for me. I done care to experiment much with loads once I find one that cycles the gun well and just seems to "work" ok.
Warrenj is the one to ask about this. He's the resident reloading mad scientist.
I used to be a mad scientist about reloading, but I've gotten a bit more cautious in my old age. I've had a couple "powered disassemblies" They are expensive and they hurt.
I haven't loaded 40 in a while. I used to have a Glock 27. One thing I have had a problem with is Starline Brass. I had one let go in a 21 Glock. The gun stayed locked up and it blew a section of the case out where it is unsupported by the feed ramp. It blew out the side of the frame, blew out the trigger, destroyed the mag and blew it out of the gun. My hand got a little sandblasted, but it could have been a lot worse. These were new Starline cases and an admittedly experimental hot load but the 1911's, XD's and Beretta Storms we shot them through had no problem while I was using +P brass. I loaded the same in the new Starlines and it let loose. Maybe I had a bad case, but I think it was a combination of the unnecessarily large unsupported chamber mouth on the Glock and the Starline cases.
That being said, my recommendation would be to keep the loads in the middle of the road and use solid +P brass if you can find it. The Speer Gold Dot bullets perform exceptionally. We diid a big bullet performance test in bentonite and penetration through MDF boards and they gave exceptional, consistent results.
For general blasting bullets, some of the restrike plated bullets by Barrys or Ranier would probably work well. Montana golden bullet also makes bulk jacketed bullets at a fairly reasonable price.
The 40 is a pretty high pressure cartridge and the Glock has a lot of unsupported area. An aftermarket barrel by Barstow or KKJ reduces the size of the unsupported area and is conventionally rifled, allowing you to shoot cast bullets also. Something to think about.
Also wouldn't hurt to pick up a loaded round gage. Dillon and Midway have them. I gage all my semi auto pistol ammo and segregate the ones that don't pass for practice clearing jams and other types of malfunctions.
Wow, great info. I'm not familiar with the term "+P brass".
Please explain.
Quote from: Zaster on March 31, 2012, 05:58:28 PM
Wow, great info. I'm not familiar with the term "+P brass".
Please explain.
Higher internal pressure than standard ammo
Re the mad scientist comment- I just meant you had done a lot more experimentation with bullets and loads than me, not that you did crazy stuff (which I'm sure you've done) ;)
I still think starline is a good make. I specifically nixed glock from my shopping list when I was in the market because of the way the case is left partially unsupported. Add in a +p or +p+ load like Warren did and you have the potential for trouble.
When I worked a load for my 9mm ruger I did a lot of reading and came to the conclusion that 3.6 grains to 4 grains would work for me.
I loaded 10 rounds each of 3.6, 3.8 and 4.0
They all fired ok but 3.6 wouldn't cycle the gun. The slide would only blow back about half way because it wouldn't even extract the spent case.
3.8 and 4.0 cycled fine. I settled on 4 and have run that since that day.
I am by no means toward the high end of what I could run. I just found that this combo cycles reliably, groups as well as I'm capable of, doesn't beat the gun up and still leaves a margin of safety in case (somehow) extra powder makes its way into the case.
Google glock kaboom. Sobering.
Definitely look into one of the better barrels Warren mentioned. The ability to shoot hard cast lead is nice as well.
The partially unsupported chamber is the Achilles heel of the Glock.
Quote from: ducpainter on March 31, 2012, 07:53:13 PM
The partially unsupported chamber is the Achilles heel of the Glock.
Own 5, wouldn't want anything else. Well maybe a Ruger 380.
Quote from: ducpainter on March 31, 2012, 07:53:13 PM
The partially unsupported chamber is the Achilles heel of the Glock.
Thanks Nate [thumbsup]
Quote from: kraptaker on March 31, 2012, 08:00:37 PM
Own 5, wouldn't want anything else. Well maybe a Ruger 380.
...and it's ugly too. :-*
[popcorn]
[popcorn] [popcorn]
Quote from: ducpainter on March 31, 2012, 07:53:13 PM
The partially unsupported chamber is the Achilles heel of the Glock.
If you don't bother loading your own ammo and purchase ammo that is rated to cycle through the firearm, then what is the problem? Guns are designed cycling a certain type of ammunition so they, well, consistently fire. They aren't designed so every person loading their own special loads playing with different cases, bullets, and amount of powder can have consistent firing without incident.
Plenty of reading on the net about glocks letting loose on factory loads.
Quote from: CayoHueso on March 30, 2012, 10:05:16 PM
Here are a few pictures of my Savage 110BA chambered in 300 WinMag
(http://s14.postimage.org/wdlxp0blp/P3300007.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/wdlxp0blp/)
(http://s17.postimage.org/lenpa444b/P3300008.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/lenpa444b/)
(http://s16.postimage.org/r6a1c19sh/P3300009.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/r6a1c19sh/)
(I knew my wife's yoga mat would be good for something, LOL)
Ahem...
Quote from: CayoHueso on March 26, 2012, 11:04:51 AM
Sorry, I don't post pictures of my guns on the net.
Quote from: DRKWNG on March 31, 2012, 09:03:47 PM
Ahem...
I remembered that too bit didn't feel like being the one to bring it up ;D
Quote from: CayoHueso on March 31, 2012, 08:59:23 PM
If you don't bother loading your own ammo and purchase ammo that is rated to cycle through the firearm, then what is the problem? Guns are designed cycling a certain type of ammunition so they, well, consistently fire. They aren't designed so every person loading their own special loads playing with different cases, bullets, and amount of powder can have consistent firing without incident.
Maybe...
but many people believe that more is always better.
higher charges, +p...+p+...
9mm major...
fact is the unsupported chamber isn't always a good feature
Quote from: DRKWNG on March 31, 2012, 09:03:47 PM
Ahem...
Quote from: Monsterlover on March 31, 2012, 09:05:46 PM
I remembered that too bit didn't feel like being the one to bring it up ;D
you guys don't want to know what I think...
Quote from: Monsterlover on March 31, 2012, 09:05:46 PM
I remembered that too bit didn't feel like being the one to bring it up ;D
13 years of military service has given me the expert badge in asshole.
;D
Quote from: Monsterlover on March 31, 2012, 09:02:47 PM
Plenty of reading on the net about glocks letting loose on factory loads.
I have put thousands of rounds through my Glocks, 36, 18, 23, 17. Never an issue with any of them.
Quote from: kraptaker on March 31, 2012, 09:13:30 PM
I have put thousands of rounds through my Glocks, 36, 18, 23, 17. Never an issue with any of them.
How long have you had that?
Quote from: kraptaker on March 31, 2012, 09:13:30 PM
I have put thousands of rounds through my Glocks, 36, 18, 23, 17. Never an issue with any of them.
I didn't say they all did it. I know that most of them function without issue.
I just didn't want to gamble. Also, I thought the grip angle felt un-natural in my hand.
Quote from: Monsterlover on March 31, 2012, 09:16:43 PM
Also, I thought the grip angle felt un-natural in my hand.
That's my only real gripe with Glocks. They're great tool box guns, but they just don't point well for me.
Quote from: kraptaker on March 31, 2012, 09:13:30 PM
I have put thousands of rounds through my Glocks, 36, 18, 23, 17. Never an issue with any of them.
All AMU loads probably... [evil]
Quote from: DRKWNG on March 31, 2012, 09:18:14 PM
That's my only real gripe with Glocks. They're great tool box guns, but they just don't point well for me.
You just can't shoot. Glock 19
WOTG Glock 19 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaFNkKyD-bI&sns=em#)
Quote from: kraptaker on March 31, 2012, 09:23:22 PM
You just can't shoot. Glock 19
Bite me JuDdDDdd. I'm used to the grip angle of a 1911, and the Glock points like shit comparatively.
Quote from: DRKWNG on March 31, 2012, 09:27:36 PM
Bite me JuDdDDdd. I'm used to the grip angle of a 1911, and the Glock points like shit comparatively.
A guns a gun, the shooter is responsible. 1911, Glock, whatever. :-* Oh and you point the gun
Quote from: kraptaker on March 31, 2012, 09:30:32 PM
A guns a gun, the shooter is responsible. 1911, Glock, whatever. :-*
lol Whatever. You of all people should know that it's hard to do away with years of programing when going from one tool to another. Bottom line, for me the Glock just points high. Other than that, it's a great weapon, especially if it's got that little switch on the side.
:D
Quote from: DRKWNG on March 31, 2012, 09:34:21 PM
lol Whatever. You of all people should know that it's hard to do away with years of programing when going from one tool to another. Bottom line, for me the Glock just points high. Other than that, it's a great weapon, especially if it's got that little switch on the side.
:D
Then aim low :D
After two or three rounds you just adjust your aim. 1911, Glock, Sig, XD, 686, whatever.
Quote from: hbliam on March 31, 2012, 11:27:28 PM
After two or three rounds you just adjust your aim. 1911, Glock, Sig, XD, 686, whatever.
+1
I think Glocks have a great deal going for them. I have owned 5 of them and currently own two, not counting the barrel and slide left over from the 21 that let loose on me. It is arguably the best, most reliable fighting handgun out there, all things considered. They do have some issues, especially if you reload, that you need to keep in mind. That being said, I am personally a little leary of the larger caliber glocks as they seem to have a larger unsupported area than necessary. The 9mm's don't seem to have as much of an issue.
I'm thinking about picking up a 10mm Glock again. The 45 and 10mm uses the same frame so I would be able to utilize my 45 frame and barrel. I'd eventually have Barstow barrels fitted to both slides to make them a bit safer, more versatile and more accurate.
I recommend new pistol shooters learn on Glocks, if they fit their hand. Some people with smaller hands and most of the women I have taught have an issue with the grip size. I put about a half million rounds through 1911's in practice and competition before I started messing with glocks and I had a very hard time making the transition. I bought and sold several of them as I was having trouble working with the trigger, grip angle etc. I finally picked up a Glock 19 and have been shooting the tar out of it and am finally happy with how I can run it. The fault isn't with the gun, its with the shooter adapting to it, especially when I had such a huge amount of muscle memory built up with 1911's. I still get in trouble in an IPSC match. I'm so used to 1911's,once in a while I'll shoot 4 double taps and automatically drop the mag to reload , realizing just as I hit the mag release, that my glock mag is still half full.
Quote from: Zaster on March 31, 2012, 05:58:28 PM
Wow, great info. I'm not familiar with the term "+P brass".
Please explain.
SAAMI defines safe maximums for average firearms for each caliber. They ahve also designated a "+P" pressure load for many calibers which should only be used in guns that can handle the higher pressure. The +P designation is the safe upper limit of pressure the case can handle in a properly designed chamber.
Some +P brass also is a bit thicker in the web area, where catastrophic failures occur. One gross way to check is to weigh the cases - heavier cases usually = thicker and maybe stronger brass.
The flip side of this is the heavier cases will have less volume so a given charge of powder will generate more pressure, everything else being equal.
The 460 Rowland is an extreme example of this. They built the web of the case extremely thick to try and absorb some of the pressure to attempt to take a bit of the load off the gun.
Quote from: DRKWNG on March 31, 2012, 09:03:47 PM
Ahem...
I suppose changing ones mind is a terrible thing to do. My apologies to a super member who disagreed with a statement and my decision to reverse it. I will contact you next time prior to doing so. Sorry to ruffle your feathers.
Apologies Again,
Brian R.
Quote from: ducpainter on March 31, 2012, 09:06:45 PM
Maybe...
but many people believe that more is always better.
higher charges, +p...+p+...
9mm major...
fact is the unsupported chamber isn't always a good feature
you guys don't want to know what I think...
Right, I understand what you are saying about the +p, +p+ round, etc. However, if that is something the user is interested, why not purchase a firearm that is designed for it? That's what I've never understood about gun owners. Each gun is designed to shoot certain calibers and rounds. If you want something different, buy a different gun.
As for your second comment, I am not really sure what you mean?
It's a gun thread, this should be fun [evil]
- Brian R.
Quote from: CayoHueso on April 04, 2012, 05:55:44 AM
I suppose changing ones mind is a terrible thing to do. My apologies to a super member who disagreed with a statement and my decision to reverse it. I will contact you next time prior to doing so. Sorry to ruffle your feathers.
Apologies Again,
Brian R.
Ballbreaking, accomplished!
;D
OK. No ruffled feathers and no ball breaking on my thread. You can talk about hunting and maybe drinking [beer] [drink] but the rest is nothing but gun shit. Got some cool gun pics... sweet, post them here but don't neglect the gun pic thread. This isn't a replacement for that. If I had a camera and was smart enough to post pics I would do so on that thread. I've got some cool guns I'd like to take a pic of. The word "fail" follows me everywhere. [laugh] Sucks being a hi-tech goofball. ;)
:o
http://www.policemag.com/Blog/Firearms-And-Tactics/Photos/1217/Arsenal-s-AF2011-A1-Double-Barrel-1911/526.aspx (http://www.policemag.com/Blog/Firearms-And-Tactics/Photos/1217/Arsenal-s-AF2011-A1-Double-Barrel-1911/526.aspx)
Quote from: muskrat on April 04, 2012, 09:15:12 AM
:o
http://www.policemag.com/Blog/Firearms-And-Tactics/Photos/1217/Arsenal-s-AF2011-A1-Double-Barrel-1911/526.aspx (http://www.policemag.com/Blog/Firearms-And-Tactics/Photos/1217/Arsenal-s-AF2011-A1-Double-Barrel-1911/526.aspx)
a triple derby in the same thread!
It only can happen here! Where's the trophy? [popcorn] [bacon] [bow_down]
Quote from: rgramjet on April 04, 2012, 07:18:57 AM
Ballbreaking, accomplished!
;D
I should have known better......this is a motorcycle forum afterall and then throw in a gun thread = lots of ball busting.
Can we now have a debate on what caliber is supreme?
Quote from: ducatiz on April 04, 2012, 09:17:54 AM
a triple derby in the same thread!
[bang] [bang] [bang]
my bad, it's hard to keep up with 100+ pages
No worries on ball busting or derbys on this thread... after all I started it, what do you expect? [laugh] [bang] [popcorn]
Gun stuff, right? [laugh] ;)
Quote from: CayoHueso on April 04, 2012, 09:24:15 AM
I should have known better......this is a motorcycle forum afterall and then throw in a gun thread = lots of ball busting.
Can we now have a debate on what caliber is supreme?
There is no debate...
it's the one you can hit what you're aiming at with. ;D
Quote from: ducpainter on April 04, 2012, 01:23:50 PM
There is no debate...
it's the one you can hit what you're aiming at with. ;D
If you hit it, but the target shrugs it off then it's not supreme.
Quote from: hbliam on April 04, 2012, 04:01:25 PM
If you hit it, but the target shrugs it off then it's not supreme.
Kinda like real estate...
location...location...location. [thumbsup]
[laugh]
Quote from: ducpainter on April 04, 2012, 04:02:26 PM
Kinda like real estate...
location...location...location. [thumbsup]
Watched too many movies if you think your well placed .22 round is gonna drop someone every time.
Quote from: hbliam on April 04, 2012, 06:22:08 PM
Watched too many movies if you think your well placed .22 round is gonna drop someone every time.
Who's said anything about a 22...or every time?
I was more thinking the 9 vs 45 thing.
The whole thing was meant to play on this...
Quote from: CayoHueso on April 04, 2012, 09:24:15 AM
I should have known better......this is a motorcycle forum afterall and then throw in a gun thread = lots of ball busting.
Can we now have a debate on what caliber is supreme?
Lighten up.
That said...
I'd hate to get shot in the head with a 22...
I've seen lots of critters bigger, and smaller, than you or I go down and out from just that 22 you're poo pooing...
and that's a fact.
A .22 will do the deed, I promise. ;)
ok ok, I will lighten up.
I personally don't want to get shot with anything. I think a .22 would hurt pretty bad, but a .45 would hurt more. With that said, I think a well placed round with any caliber would probably do the deed. However, if we are talking about body armor I definitely think round would matter. I am pretty sure the FN Five-Seven would go right through it, but a 9mm wouldn't.
Check out this video of a guy who truly stands by his companies product......
6" from a .40 S&W round. I guess discreet body armor works.....
Discreet Body Armor: Live Fire Demonstration - DBA Computer Case (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDRRJZ6rJBY&feature=related#)
Hell, for that matter I can make someone wish they were dead with a 1250fps .177 pellet rifle. :D
A knife will go through soft armor, highend plates will stop 7.62.
Quote from: kraptaker on April 04, 2012, 06:44:05 PM
Hell, for that matter I can make someone wish they were dead with a 1250fps .177 pellet rifle. :D
http://youtu.be/TPg_fj_SK_E?t=3m1s (http://youtu.be/TPg_fj_SK_E?t=3m1s)
Quote from: CayoHueso on April 04, 2012, 06:43:37 PM
ok ok, I will lighten up.
I personally don't want to get shot with anything. I think a .22 would hurt pretty bad, but a .45 would hurt more. With that said, I think a well placed round with any caliber would probably do the deed. However, if we are talking about body armor I definitely think round would matter. I am pretty sure the FN Five-Seven would go right through it, but a 9mm wouldn't.
Check out this video of a guy who truly stands by his companies product......
6" from a .40 S&W round. I guess discreet body armor works.....
Discreet Body Armor: Live Fire Demonstration - DBA Computer Case (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDRRJZ6rJBY&feature=related#)
a 22 between your eyes and you won't feel a thing....
a 45 will work the same.
Quote from: ducpainter on April 04, 2012, 06:49:12 PM
a 22 between your eyes and you won't feel a thing....
a 45 will work the same.
Funny you say that, just got done talking to my wife about that very concept while discussing getting her a handgun.
Quote from: ducpainter on April 04, 2012, 06:49:12 PM
a 22 between your eyes and you won't feel a thing....
a 45 will work the same.
what about the +p+? ;D
Weren't most of the old west guns 22s or close?
Quote from: cokey on April 04, 2012, 07:15:22 PM
Weren't most of the old west guns 22s or close?
nope
30 Cal 45 54 .. all black powder.
Google Colt Army
Quote from: cokey on April 04, 2012, 07:15:22 PM
Weren't most of the old west guns 22s or close?
Nope
Ah ok..
Quote from: ducpainter on April 04, 2012, 06:49:12 PM
a 22 between your eyes and you won't feel a thing....
a 45 will work the same.
I've seen a bunch of shootings where the 22 in the head failed to kill. Conversely, I've seen a few where a 22 under the armpit or wherever did kill. I've yet to see a 45 to the head come out good.
Last time the range master was asking our team what calibers he needed to take down to the range for quals:
Officer 1: forty
Officer 2: forty
Officer 3: nine
Officer 4: nine
Me: Men's
Range master laughed. Officers carrying 9mms didn't. Babies.
[roll]
Quote from: kraptaker on April 04, 2012, 08:43:24 PM
[roll]
Sorry, I'll tell it slower so you can get it.
Quote from: hbliam on April 04, 2012, 08:53:00 PM
Sorry, I'll tell it slower so you can get it.
Please do Mr. Wizard [laugh] [laugh]
Quote from: kraptaker on April 04, 2012, 09:02:32 PM
Please do Mr. Wizard [laugh] [laugh]
Mr. Wizard? I'm not the one that thinks everyone's opinion on this subject is inferior to mine. We get it, you have experience with weapons. I can respect that. I can also respect the opinion of many of the other posters here.
Quote from: hbliam on April 04, 2012, 09:11:02 PM
Mr. Wizard? I'm not the one that thinks everyone's opinion on this subject is inferior to mine. We get it, you have experience with weapons. I can respect that. I can also respect the opinion of many of the other posters here.
[laugh] [laugh]
Quote from: ducrider45 on March 29, 2012, 10:02:31 AM
Well then I have made up my mind. Savage it is. This will be a build and will happen after I fix up my Monster a bit. She needs a valve adjustment, belts, chain, rear sprocket and new tires. I am looking for the base gun now though. They are hard to find.
Now to decide on a color for the stock. My options are here:http://rifle-stocks.com/laminated_woods.htm (http://rifle-stocks.com/laminated_woods.htm)
I like the apache gold, the electric blue, yellowjacket and black widow.
I can't find this gun (Savage Mark II FV-SR) anywhere. I saw it on the web for double MSRP! I can find better rifles in that price range.
That sucks, I was wanting to follow Your build. I really like the FV but the -SR looked very cool...
Instead of cleaning Rem 700s, MP5, 1911s and a Glock 34 today from shooting at my buddy's west TX ranch I have to help clean house for Easter Sunday/in-laws lunch at our house!! [bang] Someone needs to check my marriage contract!! [laugh] [laugh] There has got to be a hidden clause that exempts me from this! ;) [popcorn]
http://videos2view.net/texas-light.htm#.TpjYMP3QiMM.aolmail (http://videos2view.net/texas-light.htm#.TpjYMP3QiMM.aolmail)
I've seen that video before. That's some neat shit right there! [thumbsup] Makes me want to take my dog on more walks! [laugh] [popcorn] I see more of that "transformer" type stuff in the fututre.
I think I remember that from Sons O guns
Quote from: Monsterlover on April 09, 2012, 09:57:15 AM
I think I remember that from Sons O guns
Will Hayden is a joke. He can't even hold a FFL. It was held by Vince, but when he left....why do you think he was freaking out so much on camera?? I believe Joe now holds the license which is why a few episodes back Will named him "Chief Operating Officer."Edited to comply with board rules
Quote from: CayoHueso on April 09, 2012, 10:36:58 AM
Will Hayden is a joke. He can't even hold a FFL.
why?
Quote from: ducatiz on April 09, 2012, 10:40:17 AM
why?
There was an
unannounced routine visit from the ATF and they couldn't account for 10-12 Class III firearms. They cut a deal with the ATF on their punishment. Let me find the link.
edit:
He
re is the wikipedia legal issue:
According to TMZ.com, during a routine inspection by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) in 2009, Red Jacket could not account for ten registered guns. In a settlement, William Hayden and Stephanie Hayden surrendered their gun-making licenses and were allowed to choose a licensed individual to control Red Jacket. Initially, that person was Vincent Buckles, but Buckles has left the company and now two other individuals control the company.[9]
In a WBRZ article, Attorney Craig Davidson, Jr., said that 10 guns did not go missing from the shop. Instead, one or two guns were stolen during 2001â€"2008. Davidson claimed the rest of the missing guns were receivers that were thrown away or destroyed when gunsmiths made mistakes. Although Davidson characterized the lost weapons as "simple bookkeeping errors", the ATF requires serial numbered parts to be tracked. Will and Stephanie Hayden did not keep track, so, according to Davidson, Hayden and the ATF mutually agreed to shut down Red Jacket, Inc. The WBRZ article is silent about Will and Stephanie Hayden surrendering any federal firearms licenses.[10]
Davidson further stated that at that time, Hayden was already in discussions with the Discovery Channel about the show and had plans to start another business, Red Jacket Firearms, L.L.C.[11] Will Hayden is not an officer of Red Jacket Firearms, L.L.C. When Davidson was asked why Hayden was not an officer, Davidson stated the reason was a "confidential business decision".[10]
Several "Red Jacket" entities are registered in Louisiana. The first is Red Jacket, Inc. (filed April 6, 1999).[12] The officer is William M. Hayden, but the corporation is not in good standing because it failed to file an annual report. The second is Red Jacket Firearms, L.L.C. (filed May 7, 2010).[13] As of January 7, 2012, the listed officers of the LLC are Joseph Whitney Meaux, Vincent Gordon Buckles, and Charles Riley Watson; neither Will Hayden nor Stephanie Hayden are listed as officers; records show that the listed officers were amended on 7/30/2010 and 6/8/2011.[13] A third entity is Red Jacket International, L.L.C. (filed April 6, 2011).[14] The officer is William M. Hayden. Other "Red Jacket" entities appear to be unrelated.
ATF has issued a federal firearms license (FFL) to Red Jacket Firearms, L.L.CEdited
I found it.
Woww.
I guess they don't like guns walking off...
...unless they are sending them to Mexico themselves...
It was a simple "bookkeeping error"
come on now.
EDITED FOR REMOVAL
Quote from: CayoHueso on April 09, 2012, 10:42:45 AM
There was an unannounced routine visit from the ATF and they couldn't account for 10-12 Class III firearms. They cut a deal with the ATF on their punishment. Let me find the link.
edit:
Here is the wikipedia legal issue:
According to TMZ.com, during a routine inspection by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) in 2009, Red Jacket could not account for ten registered guns. In a settlement, William Hayden and Stephanie Hayden surrendered their gun-making licenses and were allowed to choose a licensed individual to control Red Jacket. Initially, that person was Vincent Buckles, but Buckles has left the company and now two other individuals control the company.[9]
In a WBRZ article, Attorney Craig Davidson, Jr., said that 10 guns did not go missing from the shop. Instead, one or two guns were stolen during 2001â€"2008. Davidson claimed the rest of the missing guns were receivers that were thrown away or destroyed when gunsmiths made mistakes. Although Davidson characterized the lost weapons as "simple bookkeeping errors", the ATF requires serial numbered parts to be tracked. Will and Stephanie Hayden did not keep track, so, according to Davidson, Hayden and the ATF mutually agreed to shut down Red Jacket, Inc. The WBRZ article is silent about Will and Stephanie Hayden surrendering any federal firearms licenses.[10]
Davidson further stated that at that time, Hayden was already in discussions with the Discovery Channel about the show and had plans to start another business, Red Jacket Firearms, L.L.C.[11] Will Hayden is not an officer of Red Jacket Firearms, L.L.C. When Davidson was asked why Hayden was not an officer, Davidson stated the reason was a "confidential business decision".[10]
Several "Red Jacket" entities are registered in Louisiana. The first is Red Jacket, Inc. (filed April 6, 1999).[12] The officer is William M. Hayden, but the corporation is not in good standing because it failed to file an annual report. The second is Red Jacket Firearms, L.L.C. (filed May 7, 2010).[13] As of January 7, 2012, the listed officers of the LLC are Joseph Whitney Meaux, Vincent Gordon Buckles, and Charles Riley Watson; neither Will Hayden nor Stephanie Hayden are listed as officers; records show that the listed officers were amended on 7/30/2010 and 6/8/2011.[13] A third entity is Red Jacket International, L.L.C. (filed April 6, 2011).[14] The officer is William M. Hayden. Other "Red Jacket" entities appear to be unrelated.
ATF has issued a federal firearms license (FFL) to Red Jacket Firearms, L.L.C
Quote from: ducatiz on April 09, 2012, 10:45:55 AM
I found it.
Woww.
I guess they don't like guns walking off...
...unless they are sending them to Mexico themselves...
We won't go there...
K?
Thanks.
...and Jud...
that's once. ;)
Keep it clean people. Thanks! [thumbsup]
what did i miss???
Quote from: KRJ on April 06, 2012, 09:46:25 PM
That sucks, I was wanting to follow Your build. I really like the FV but the -SR looked very cool...
I may switch up projects for the sort term. Im looking for a S&W M&P 15-22. They are in every store. The trick is that I have a Kimber Compact II Stainless that I would like to trade/ sell.
Quote from: ducatiz on April 09, 2012, 12:38:40 PM
what did i miss???
SOP for this thread. . .
;)
Anyhow, I can't stop thinking about that .44 mag picture posted.
I never figured Id need a revolver.
But I do.
;D
Quote from: Monsterlover on April 09, 2012, 12:47:56 PM
SOP for this thread. . .
;)
Anyhow, I can't stop thinking about that .44 mag picture posted.
I never figured Id need a revolver.
But I do.
;D
Check out the Taurus 41 mag. It flies 1400-1900 fps with up to a 240 gr ( i think that's the limit), around 1500 with the 240gr. ammo is probably the same range as 44 mag, maybe a little less but you can use a medium frame with it instead of the Hugh Jass frame needed for the 44.
Quote from: ducpainter on April 09, 2012, 12:24:11 PM
We won't go there...
K?
Thanks.
...and Jud...
that's once. ;)
(http://headbandsandheartbreak.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/yellow-card1.jpg)
I was waiting for that to show up.
[laugh]
Quote from: DRKWNG on April 09, 2012, 01:04:12 PM
(http://headbandsandheartbreak.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/yellow-card1.jpg)
I was waiting for that to show up.
Powerade soccer commercial with Deion Sanders (1994) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJNTSZcneVA#)
Quote from: ducpainter on April 09, 2012, 12:24:11 PM
We won't go there...
K?
Thanks.
...and Jud...
that's once. ;)
Who is Jud? Why do people keep referring to me as this person. I have no idea who he is.
Quote from: DRKWNG on April 09, 2012, 01:04:12 PM
(http://headbandsandheartbreak.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/yellow-card1.jpg)
I was waiting for that to show up.
You guys are clearly confusing me with another person. No idea what prompted this, but I am a bit confused. Is this some sort of closed group of the same posters that like to make jokes that new members are supposed to understand?
[popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn]
[bacon]
Just curious - is it possible to discuss the ATF in the "Gun Stuff" thread without crossing the line into politics?
Backstory - the Will Hayden FFL story jogged my memory... one of the first zoning hearings I ever participated in involved a couple that conducted FFL transfers from their residence. They recently made the news for alleged transgressions.
I'd appreciate the perspective of this thread's participants whom are knowledgable in these matters as it's relevant to my profession, but I'll refrain from posting the link if it will only drag the discussion off topic.
Thx,
DTRAL
Quote from: dropstharockalot on April 09, 2012, 10:43:06 PM
Just curious - is it possible to discuss the ATF in the "Gun Stuff" thread without crossing the line into politics?
Backstory - the Will Hayden FFL story jogged my memory... one of the first zoning hearings I ever participated in involved a couple that conducted FFL transfers from their residence. They recently made the news for alleged transgressions.
I'd appreciate the perspective of this thread's participants whom are knowledgable in these matters as it's relevant to my profession, but I'll refrain from posting the link if it will only drag the discussion off topic.
Thx,
DTRAL
It would be best to leave BATFE out of it.
With all that is going on in the news I don't see how politics can be avoided.
Thanks.
Quote from: ducpainter on April 10, 2012, 03:25:44 AM
It would be best to leave BATFE out of it.
With all that is going on in the news I don't see how politics can be avoided.
Thanks.
Rookie mistake. I was just trying to be informative of the current situation with RJF and their operations. I do see how this is boarderline crossing politics and since I got a yellow card, I won't discuss anymore.
I appreciate the heads up.
- Brian R.
Is there also a Bull Shit Flag that is thrown?
(http://i852.photobucket.com/albums/ab88/hicap9/bullshitflaggreenfield.jpg)
There probably was but it got worn out.
Quote from: WarrenJ on April 10, 2012, 06:14:13 AM
There probably was but it got worn out.
[laugh] true that!
Quote from: ducrider45 on April 09, 2012, 12:46:10 PM
I may switch up projects for the sort term. Im looking for a S&W M&P 15-22. They are in every store. The trick is that I have a Kimber Compact II Stainless that I would like to trade/ sell.
Ok, back on topic then.
I found a great shop in my area that took the trade. I got my S&W M&P 15-22! This will be a fun rifle. Ill get pics up ASAP. I still need to break it down and go over the rifle. After that I will clean it and make any changes that it may need and I will get it out on the range/ woods near my house.
the plan is to outfit this with minimal furniture. Keep it light and fun.
Quote from: ducpainter on April 09, 2012, 12:24:11 PM
We won't go there...
K?
Thanks.
...and Jud...
that's once. ;)
Who is Jud?
JudDDddDd...?
;)
[bacon]
It could have been JuDddDDdD.
Quote from: The Bacon Junkie on April 10, 2012, 05:15:47 PM
JudDDddDd...?
;)
[bacon]
Quote from: DRKWNG on April 10, 2012, 05:21:57 PM
It could have been JuDddDDdD.
You're right...
Possibly even JudDdDdDDDDddD....
Not likely, though... ;)
[bacon]
Was it facing to the left, or the right?
I don't remember, but it looked kinda like an Eagle...
...on a conveyor belt.
...holding a gun. ('cause it's a gun thread...)
[bacon]
Can I be educated on who this "judddDDDDD" person is?
Quote from: CayoHueso on April 10, 2012, 07:46:13 PM
Can I be educated on who this "judddDDDDD" person is?
'cyrus buelton'
A former member 'round these parts.
I'm not sure looking into his posts would really be "educational," but there ya go...
Quote from: zarn02 on April 10, 2012, 09:32:54 PM
'cyrus buelton'
A former member 'round these parts.
I'm not sure looking into his posts would really be "educational," but there ya go...
hey you're being JuddDDgemental cuz he got punted into the banned column [laugh]
Quote from: RAT900 on April 11, 2012, 12:21:41 AM
hey you're being JuddDDgemental cuz he got punted into the banned column [laugh]
in the 4th of July fireworks kinda of way...
Gun stuff people.... ;) Just saying. [thumbsup]
My boys new promo video.
Way Of The Gun Frank Proctor Rifle Pistol (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4GQ6kugJ3M&feature=youtube_gdata_player#)
I love that there is a wasp crawling on the spent brass at the end. Very cool video. [thumbsup]
I got some pics of the new addition! S&W M&P 15-22
(http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/ducrider45/IMG-20120412-00084.jpg)
I would have got a better pic with the suppressor on, but I can not get the flash hider off. I took it back to the shop and they are going to get it off for me.
(http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/ducrider45/IMG-20120412-000911.jpg)
(http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/ducrider45/IMG-20120412-00085.jpg)
We've had a pair of high school exchange students from Germany staying with us for the past two and a half weeks, and in their short time here we've tried to cram a lot of US/Arizona experiences in that they can't get back home - the Grand Canyon, Sedona, high pines mountain bike rides, really good southwestern food, moto rides through the desert to small town diners, etc.
Yesterday, my friend George and I took them out shooting.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-uJDKmL4h7sU/T4hGVTDsNpI/AAAAAAAAAmQ/3vdwrnki3-s/s640/IMG_20120412_164323.jpg)
They started out with the 10/22, and got to play with George's .223, a .22 mag Ruger single action pistol (a favorite of both, in part because of the manageable size and in part because of the cowboy look), a Hawken replica blackpowder rifle (.50 cal, loaded light), and a 12 ga. pump.
They were both a little intimidated at first, started to have a lot of fun, and then were done after one round each with the shotgun.
Awesome! Good for you to let them experience a little bit of Americana and some western shooting/eating/MTN bike riding culture. Heck... some people that live here never get to do that! Welcome to America!! I hope they had a great time. [thumbsup] Again, thanks for sharing some of what we are. We need more of that. ;) America gets a bad rap and experiences like this hopefully can change a few minds.
Quote from: ducrider45 on April 12, 2012, 06:30:18 PM
I got some pics of the new addition! S&W M&P 15-22
I would have got a better pic with the suppressor on, but I can not get the flash hider off. I took it back to the shop and they are going to get it off for me.
I believe that S&W pins their flash hiders, and they are destroyed in the removal process. You will likely need a new flash hider for the gun.
This is entirely based on one experience with an M&P in 5.56
If you were looking to buy your first 9mm handgun, what would you buy and why?
Quote from: Zaster on April 13, 2012, 06:06:14 PM
If you were looking to buy your first 9mm handgun, what would you buy and why?
A Glock 19 or 17. One of the nicest out of the box guns, period. The new S&W would be my 2nd choice.
it depends.
i think I'd advise a full size framed gun. steel or polymer frame is irrelevant and a matter of taste. you can learn any gun. im partial to the cz guns but i also have many others. i like the kahr or keltec for carry.
I just went through the process of choosing my 1st pistol, also in 9mm. I went to my local range and tried out all the guns on my "maybe" list. I fired a Glock 17, A ruger sr9 and a Springfield xd 9. I ended up with the gun that fit my hand the best and fired the best. The SA xd9 has been great for me, all 3 were nice guns for different reasons.
Any opinions on this one: http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/p226-combat.aspx (http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/p226-combat.aspx)
Quote from: Zaster on April 13, 2012, 06:39:23 PM
Any opinions on this one: http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/p226-combat.aspx (http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/p226-combat.aspx)
I don't like Sigs, trigger travel sucks, but can be modded.
Quote from: kraptaker on April 13, 2012, 06:41:58 PM
I don't like Sigs, trigger travel sucks, but can be modded.
How about Browning HP?
If you want to spend a little more, go for a Sig P210
Quote from: Zaster on April 13, 2012, 06:44:49 PM
How about Browning HP?
When it came out, there was nothing like it.
I've been thinking about the Walther PPQ a lot.
brix suggestion is best, go to a range that has a lot of different guns and make your choice based off what 'you' like best.
One of the other big upsides of Glocks is the universal availability of parts and mags. Factory Glock parts are unbelievably inexpensive and can be found all over. A number of people here really like the CZ-75's and they are great guns - Finding parts and mags is not quite as easy. The Sig 226 - 228 might be another good option. They are a bit heavy and expensive, but are solidly built and very reliable.
I'm currently doing a large study of 9mm guns, ammunition and reloads for a magazine article I'm putting together. I'm using 9 different handguns and a wide variety of ammunition, shooting from bags at 50' for accuracy and running the chronograph for velocity. Pretty interesting. The Glocks ( a 19 and a 34) have both been solid performers with the exception of some plated hollowpoints. The CZ has turned in the best average accuracy across all the loads tested. The best group was shot with my wifes Clark Custom 9mm Commander, but the gun is very finicky on what it likes to shoot. The highest velocity so far has been out of the Glock 34 with a near max load of Vit 3N37 and a 115 Hornady XTP.
Fiochii loads a "Defensive" load with the Hornady 115 XTP bullet. It has been the most consistently accurate load through all guns. It also has the lowest velocity of any load shot so far. In the Kahr PM-9 it is actually under 1000 fps. I have a pile of combinations to test yet - probably take me most of the summer. So far the most accurate reload across all the guns has been a 115 Nosler hollowpoint loaded with Longshot. The most feeding issues has been with two 1911 style 9mm's in the test. Interesting stuff.
How have you found the CZ's accuracy compares between 115 gr rounds and say 124?
Quote from: kraptaker on April 13, 2012, 06:58:50 PM
brix suggestion is best, go to a range that has a lot of different guns and make your choice based off what 'you' like best.
Was thinking the same thing after reading all the responses [thumbsup]
I've shot sub inch groups at 50' with both bullet weights. So far my testing has been mostly with 115 grain bullets, the heavier bullets will be tested once I'm done with the 115's and change the powder charges. I did shoot some reloads with a 124 Hornady FMJ, loaded with Longshot, and it shot excellently. Best group so far in the CZ has been with the 115 Hollopoints by Hornady and Nosler. I shot some old 124 Federal Nyclad ammunition in the CZ and turned in the worst group with that gun - 2"@50' - still fine accuracy for a defensive handgun. If the gun is reliable and adequately accurate, getting wound up about the last little quarter inch of accuracy is pretty moot. I'm trying to come up with a load that gives great terminal performance, high velocity and energy, reliability and accuracy in a wide variety of guns. It's an interesting exercise and there likely won't be one good answer. It is a good way to develop a good baseline for performance of a bunch of my pistols in the process.
It's like a motorcycle - if you sit on it and you don't like how it feels, try things until you are happy. I run a private class for people new to shooting, recently it is mostly women who want to get a defensive handgun. I set them down and give a talk about the basic types, advantages and disadvantages and then let them handle about 20 different handguns until they find a couple that they think they like. I go through those guns in detail with them and get them shooting, then they can compare and contrast what they like and don't like. They they at least have some personal experience on which to base their decision on what type of gun suits them, instead of relying on what some knucklehead in a gunshop, or magazine article telling them what they need.
Its YOUR personal weapon - It needs to work for YOU!
Quote from: WarrenJ on April 13, 2012, 07:20:45 PM
It's like a motorcycle - if you sit on it and you don't like how it feels, try things until you are happy.
[thumbsup]
The MOE is 1/2-28 threaded. It is just on there real tight. I took it back to the shop and they are working on it. Thanks for the heads up though.
Another video of my boy.
WOTG Carbine and Pistol Drills (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKeJf8dlfCY&sns=em#)
Quote from: Zaster on April 13, 2012, 07:09:55 PM
Was thinking the same thing after reading all the responses [thumbsup]
Yes. Do that. Go "test ride" as many as you can. Borrow some from friends if you have friends that shoot. I, like K-taker, am partial to G-19s and 17s. In my soul I'm really a 1911 .45acp guy but 9mm is semi cheap these days and all the good things that have been said here about Glocks is true. They ain't pretty but they work, parts are everywhere and they are very reasonably priced. But I love my Wayne Novak Browning HPs, my CZ-75s, my SIG 228 & 226, etc... Point is, go shoot all that you can. Then get what you want/like/can afford. Period. [thumbsup]
Quote from: kraptaker on April 13, 2012, 09:03:41 PM
Another video of my boy.
WOTG Carbine and Pistol Drills (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKeJf8dlfCY&sns=em#)
Besides the sound of a Duc with good pipes or my RC-51 with Satos or an American V-8 with a good exhaust there is nothing like the sound of fast track ringing steel! [thumbsup] [popcorn] [bacon] Love it!
... that and a low fly over by a P-51!
PS is that a PACT timer... sounds like one.
Quote from: Zaster on April 13, 2012, 07:09:55 PM
Was thinking the same thing after reading all the responses [thumbsup]
This is what I did, and it was hugely beneficial. Even after the advice I got from the guys in this thread, shooting before you buy is the only way.
My $0.02 - since I was going to carry for personal defense and didn't want to break the bank, I wound up with a Kahr CW-9. If I'd had another $120-$150, I'd have gone with the Glock - it really is everything everyone in the thread says it is.
Enjoy your search, and let us know what you wind up with.
Quote from: CayoHueso on April 09, 2012, 06:32:37 PM
Who is Jud? Why do people keep referring to me as this person. I have no idea who he is.
Ya know...the similarities are amazing...
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=25074.msg1047789#msg1047789 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=25074.msg1047789#msg1047789)
Jud had an S4R too.
make the beast with two backsing amazing I tell ya.
What's the matter....
didn't that c/f swingarm deal work out?
I think in a weird scheme to make money, Ducati made more than one S4r. I could be wrong, though.
Warren - Thanks for the info on guns and loads. That's all very interesting. Can't wait to see your final article.
Brian R.
Quote from: fastwin on April 14, 2012, 09:11:56 AM
Yes. Do that. Go "test ride" as many as you can. Borrow some from friends if you have friends that shoot....
Point is, go shoot all that you can. Then get what you want/like/can afford. Period. [thumbsup]
+1. All pistols are similar on paper with few differences. You can research all you want and read reviews from fanboys and haters of every handguns out here. But unless you actually put one in your hand, you don't know what it's like. After trying a few, you will get a pretty good idea what you like and dislike.
The downside of trying them all is - you realize that you "need" more than just one. I've been quietly and quickly adding a small collection to my first CZ 75B. I added a CZ P-01, M&P9, and a Sig P6(W. German). I am sure there are more in my future. Sigh....
The magic number for firearms is 7. Most significant others cannot discern the addition of another gun past 7. 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 - many. Spouse-"I don't remember seeing that gun before" You - "You know Dear, one of the first signs of aging and dementia is the loss of memory." at which point, they will be mad enough to forget completely about the "imagined" increase to the firearms battery. You may have to sleep on the couch for a while, but your new gun is safely in the fold. A small price to pay.
Quote from: WarrenJ on April 15, 2012, 12:48:58 PM
The magic number for firearms is 7. Most significant others cannot discern the addition of another gun past 7. 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 - many. Spouse-"I don't remember seeing that gun before" You - "You know Dear, one of the first signs of aging and dementia is the loss of memory." at which point, they will be mad enough to forget completely about the "imagined" increase to the firearms battery. You may have to sleep on the couch for a while, but your new gun is safely in the fold. A small price to pay.
I know exactly what you mean.
Luckily I got my wife interested in shooting and need to find some good handguns for her too ;D
Also submitted her application for deer and elk hunts. Darn...we might even have to look for a hunting rifle for her now [laugh]
See how that works ;)
All my 1911s kinda look alike, all my AR platform guns kinda look alike, all my hunting shotguns are over and unders, again they look alike, all my tactical shotguns sort of look alike, all bolt action rifles sort of look alike... seeing a pattern here? My "non gun savvy" wife would never know if I showed up with 20 new ones tomorrow! And 20 more the day after! [laugh] Just sayin'. ;)
Not that I really need anymore. [bacon] [evil]
It doesn't work for me a bit. My wife probably has 30 guns of her own - she was the top woman combat shotgun shooter in North America for a few years, USPSA Range Officer, shoots bigger deer than I do, on the cover of Woman and Guns Magazine, written up in Precision Rifle, American Handgunner and Tactical Shooter, LFI grad, HI Power and Smallbore Competitor, owns and shoots a 375 H&H and likes it, etc, etc. The guys where she works come to her when they start arguing about guns. I can't get away with nuthin! I can usually convince her that she needs something, and I get to use it - so it still works out.
Quote from: WarrenJ on April 15, 2012, 07:30:11 PM
It doesn't work for me a bit. My wife probably has 30 guns of her own - she was the top woman combat shotgun shooter in North America for a few years, USPSA Range Officer, shoots bigger deer than I do, on the cover of Woman and Guns Magazine, written up in Precision Rifle, American Handgunner and Tactical Shooter, LFI grad, HI Power and Smallbore Competitor, owns and shoots a 375 H&H and likes it, etc, etc. The guys where she works come to her when they start arguing about guns. I can't get away with nuthin! I can usually convince her that she needs something, and I get to use it - so it still works out.
Now that's my kind of woman...congrats!
Quote from: WarrenJ on April 15, 2012, 07:30:11 PM
It doesn't work for me a bit. My wife probably has 30 guns of her own - she was the top woman combat shotgun shooter in North America for a few years, USPSA Range Officer, shoots bigger deer than I do, on the cover of Woman and Guns Magazine, written up in Precision Rifle, American Handgunner and Tactical Shooter, LFI grad, HI Power and Smallbore Competitor, owns and shoots a 375 H&H and likes it, etc, etc. The guys where she works come to her when they start arguing about guns. I can't get away with nuthin! I can usually convince her that she needs something, and I get to use it - so it still works out.
Would you say that your wife is the one "wearing the holster" in your household? [cheeky]
I trained her, so we are both pretty comfortable with holsters.
That's some funny stuff! [laugh]
Of course my same story also goes for scooters. I could show up with a Desmoseidci all she would say "if it's red it must be one of his Ducatis". [laugh]
What is the deal with asking Your Wife for permission, I have never understood why. Is there a real reason why a Man can't do something witrhout asking the Wife for approval....
Quote from: KRJ on April 16, 2012, 11:34:55 PM
What is the deal with asking Your Wife for permission, I have never understood why. Is there a real reason why a Man can't do something witrhout asking the Wife for approval....
Intercourse etc. ?
[laugh]
Quote from: KRJ on April 16, 2012, 11:34:55 PM
What is the deal with asking Your Wife for permission, I have never understood why. Is there a real reason why a Man can't do something witrhout asking the Wife for approval....
You aren't married, I take it....
Quote from: RAT900 on April 17, 2012, 12:46:00 AM
Intercourse etc. ?
yep... RAT is in the "club"
Quote from: KRJ on April 16, 2012, 11:34:55 PM
What is the deal with asking Your Wife for permission, I have never understood why. Is there a real reason why a Man can't do something witrhout asking the Wife for approval....
You obviously have no idea what's going on. Hope you keep up the good work! [laugh] [laugh] ;)
I have been married for 22yrs, have an excellent relationship with My Wife. We both have good jobs and make money, share the bills ect. If My wife wants to spend $5000.00 on shoes, thats Her business, who am I to tell her no?, and if I want to buy a new gun, toy ect. then I am going to do it. As long as the bills are paid, agreed expenses covered, We both want each other to have what makes them happy. Yes I do understand whats going on,I just don't understand why? Anyway, back to Gun Stuff...
Quote from: KRJ on April 17, 2012, 09:20:46 AM
I have been married for 22yrs, have an excellent relationship with My Wife. We both have good jobs and make money, share the bills ect. If My wife wants to spend $5000.00 on shoes, thats Her business, who am I to tell her no?, and if I want to buy a new gun, toy ect. then I am going to do it. As long as the bills are paid, agreed expenses covered, We both want each other to have what makes them happy. Yes I do understand whats going on,I just don't understand why? Anyway, back to Gun Stuff...
As long as you understand that you don't understand. ;D
After thinking about it a bit, sometimes I get too serious about things I shouldn't worry about. No disrespect to Anyone, I am glad I don't understand cause We are happy. [cheeky] Beautiful day here, going to pound a few rounds thru the FAL, a bit of 1911, then stuck with yardwork. Have a good day All...
Quote from: KRJ on April 16, 2012, 11:34:55 PM
What is the deal with asking Your Wife for permission, I have never understood why. Is there a real reason why a Man can't do something witrhout asking the Wife for approval....
My husband doesn't have to ask permission, but he does realize his wife appreciates the occasional 1911 for her collection ;)
Ok, I got out last night and shot the new rifle (S&W M&P 15-22). I shot a Winchester tactical AR-22 round and some CCI sub-sonic. The Winchester was supper-sonic and was too loud for our shooting location.
We were shooting from a slightly elevated position down to our paper targets 100 yards away. The CCI sub-sonic cycled very well and the gun was dead on left to right. No adjustment needed. The rounds were all hitting about 8-10 inches low at 100 yards. I did not bring the sight adjustment tool, so we just aimed a little high. We both were able to get a 2" group of 5 shots (open sights from bench rest).
Being able to shoot with the suppressor was great! I do have two small complaints though. The bolt slap was quite loud as compared to other semi-auto 22's. You definitely need a spacer for the threads when you install the suppressor. Both are very minor issues though.
All things considered, this is a very fun rifle to shoot. It was a great buy!
(http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/ducrider45/IMG-20120412-00084.jpg)
Quote from: KRJ on April 18, 2012, 08:19:52 AM
After thinking about it a bit, sometimes I get too serious about things I shouldn't worry about. No disrespect to Anyone, I am glad I don't understand cause We are happy. [cheeky] Beautiful day here, going to pound a few rounds thru the FAL, a bit of 1911, then stuck with yardwork. Have a good day All...
Hey, no harm no foul here. Just joking around. Sometimes not understanding is a blessing and all that is important is happiness. Not enough of that in our world. That and scooter riding, shooting guns, etc.... [thumbsup] [Dolph] [beer] [bacon]
8" low at 100 yards is right on with a 50 yard zero. At 200, you are looking at about 48" of drop. 22s are a great way to learn to shoot long range without the long range. Wind doping and range estimation are super critical for real accurate work. See if you can find some Wolf Match Target ammunition to try. Its probably the most accurate,"reasonably" priced 22 match ammo out there. Subsonic also. If price isn't an object, the most accurate 22 ammo I have shot is Lapua Center-X. Probably not at all necessary for a semi-auto fun gun. CCI Blaser is probably the best cheap 22 ammo out there. I used to buy it for $8.00 a brick. It shoots real well for the price - supersonic though.
Yeah, I really need to re-dope my bull barrel, Hogue stock 10/22. Last trip to my friend's west TX ranch we were dinging steel plates at 140-150 yards. I was arching in .22 high velocity rounds like it was a mortar! [laugh] Need to get it back on paper at 50-75 yards. It only needs to be a 50-100 yard rifle... max. [thumbsup] It's a tack driver at 50-75 yards.
Quote from: KRJ on April 18, 2012, 08:19:52 AM
After thinking about it a bit, sometimes I get too serious about things I shouldn't worry about. No disrespect to Anyone, I am glad I don't understand cause We are happy. [cheeky] Beautiful day here, going to pound a few rounds thru the FAL, a bit of 1911, then stuck with yardwork. Have a good day All...
T told me tonight...
"you're correct...
but you're still wrong"
Damn I love this woman. ;)
Quote from: ducpainter on April 18, 2012, 05:13:36 PM
"you're correct...
but you're still wrong"
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Quote from: WarrenJ on April 18, 2012, 12:10:42 PM
8" low at 100 yards is right on with a 50 yard zero. At 200, you are looking at about 48" of drop. 22s are a great way to learn to shoot long range without the long range. Wind doping and range estimation are super critical for real accurate work. See if you can find some Wolf Match Target ammunition to try. Its probably the most accurate,"reasonably" priced 22 match ammo out there. Subsonic also. If price isn't an object, the most accurate 22 ammo I have shot is Lapua Center-X. Probably not at all necessary for a semi-auto fun gun. CCI Blaser is probably the best cheap 22 ammo out there. I used to buy it for $8.00 a brick. It shoots real well for the price - supersonic though.
Right now I'm looking for good ammunition to try. Thank you for the suggestions
Aguila and Eley work well and have a wide variety of flavors for different applications,both brands have consistant and reliable ignition and accuracy for the money. Very nice choice Ducrider45, have fun.
Either Eley or Lapua Subsonic hollowpoints are my favorite smallgame ammunition. They shoot as good as most match ammo and work pretty well on squirrel noggins. I used to shoot Eley Tenex out of my Walther GX-1, but when I got the Feinwerkbau 2600, it liked the Lapua Center-X better. I tried the Lapua X-Act but my gun didn't like it. I was glad as that stuff is STEEP. My personal experiences with my rifles haven't been positive with the Aguila ammo but every gun is a law unto itself as far as what it likes to digest. The Wolf Match Target ammo is the same as the SK Standard Match ammo, which is all loaded on Lapua cases out of the Lapua factory - the only difference is the box.
As far as the hardest hitting 22LR ammo, the CCI Velositer has to be right up there. It isn't gilt edged accurate but it has noticeably more smack.
I have used the Eley Sport ammunition. It is loaded in Mexico, probably by Aguila. It varies quite a bit, lot to lot but if you end up with a lot that your rifle likes, it can be a very economical, accurate ammo. One issue I have had with it is that some tight match chambers will not accept some of the bullets - I don't know if they are over lubricated or just plain oversized, but my FWB and several other match rifles I have won't chamber it without a struggle. My Walther GX-1 shot it great. I bought a couple cases of it the last time I was at Camp Perry for the Nationals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNPJMk2fgJU&feature=youtube_gdata_player (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNPJMk2fgJU&feature=youtube_gdata_player)
I need two of those. One for the house and one for the farm! For human varmits and feral hogs! [thumbsup] [popcorn] [bacon]
Quote from: cokey on April 23, 2012, 11:30:07 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNPJMk2fgJU&feature=youtube_gdata_player (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNPJMk2fgJU&feature=youtube_gdata_player)
"I want to thank my friend Yuri for letting me borrow his ride... Thanks Buddy"
KA-BOOM!!! [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
[bacon]
So I got my lower engraved for my Form 1...Would it look like total shit to just fill the engraving in with a blueing pen? I don't care a whole lot about how it looks, but I won't have the stamp until the fall....aka I'd have time to have the whole thing redone. Opinions?
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h286/CPrezioso/Screenshot2012-04-23at92022PM.png)
You got time, do it justice.
Here is my first attempt at making a video for Youtube. This is 5 shots through my Browning Buckmark with the 22Sparrow on it. As is typical you hear a little first round pop (not loud at all), then all you hear after that is the action and the round hitting the target. Very fun set up!
five shots (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMxoWzc12tY&feature=player_detailpage#)
Quote from: ducrider45 on April 26, 2012, 09:45:59 AM
Here is my first attempt at making a video for Youtube. This is 5 shots through my Browning Buckmark with the 22Sparrow on it. As is typical you hear a little first round pop (not loud at all), then all you hear after that is the action and the round hitting the target. Very fun set up!
That's awesome- can't hardly wait for mine. I traded my P22 on a G17, so I need to pick up a host for my .22 suppressor that's pending. Pretty quiet action on that Buckmark.
I ordered my 9mm suppressor last week- Thomson Machine Isis 2. Just found out it's rated for .300 Blackout Subsonic, so I may go with a CMMG .22, so I can swap a .300 Blackout upper on it.
here's the Russian with a toy I want.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNPJMk2fgJU&feature=youtube_gdata_player (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNPJMk2fgJU&feature=youtube_gdata_player)
Quote from: muskrat on April 26, 2012, 01:08:50 PM
here's the fake Russian with a toy I want.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNPJMk2fgJU&feature=youtube_gdata_player (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNPJMk2fgJU&feature=youtube_gdata_player)
fixed
as always...
have nice day. [thumbsup]
Quote from: muskrat on April 26, 2012, 01:08:50 PM
here's the Russian with a toy I want.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNPJMk2fgJU&feature=youtube_gdata_player (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNPJMk2fgJU&feature=youtube_gdata_player)
Derby 7 post back..
Quote from: ducatiz on April 26, 2012, 01:35:02 PM
fixed
I know he's fake. just funny to watch him trying his authentic Russian accent.
Quote from: cokey on April 26, 2012, 05:23:11 PM
Derby 7 post back..
well shit. [bang]
Quote from: muskrat on April 26, 2012, 05:44:42 PM
I know he's fake. just funny to watch him trying his authentic Russian accent.
well shit. [bang]
I like his videos, they are funny. We all know that he is very fake. Its gun comedy!
Quote from: stateprez on April 26, 2012, 12:34:21 PM
That's awesome- can't hardly wait for mine. I traded my P22 on a G17, so I need to pick up a host for my .22 suppressor that's pending. Pretty quiet action on that Buckmark.
I ordered my 9mm suppressor last week- Thomson Machine Isis 2. Just found out it's rated for .300 Blackout Subsonic, so I may go with a CMMG .22, so I can swap a .300 Blackout upper on it.
That sounds like a very nice plan. Its got me thinking. I want a AR 9mm SBR 5 1/2" with a can on it.
I put the sparrow on my S&W 15-22 MOE but the action on it is loud. It sounds like you are hittin a metal spike with a hammer. The browning buckmark was chosen for this build for a few reasons. It is a breeze to maintain. It is very well built and very accurate. The base gun is a bit heavy. Once you change out the top rail and barrel it feels very good. It feels the best with the can on. It is a 100yd pistol.
Quote from: ducrider45 on April 27, 2012, 07:32:27 AM
That sounds like a very nice plan. Its got me thinking. I want a AR 9mm SBR 5 1/2" with a can on it.
I put the sparrow on my S&W 15-22 MOE but the action on it is loud. It sounds like you are hittin a metal spike with a hammer. The browning buckmark was chosen for this build for a few reasons. It is a breeze to maintain. It is very well built and very accurate. The base gun is a bit heavy. Once you change out the top rail and barrel it feels very good. It feels the best with the can on. It is a 100yd pistol.
I'm putting a 5" 1/2x28 Adco barrel on my 9MM SBR. I'll have to swap the mount between the Glock since it probably won't cycle with the recoil booster.
I was thinking more about the .300 Blackout/.22 AR- If I wanted to register it as an SBR, how would you do it? I've heard you default to the largest caliber/shortest barrel, so I would register the .22 serial lower as a .300 Blackout?
FPS Russia definitely is a fake Russian, but I still think the kid can shoot. He seems to control full-auto rifles pretty decently and his overall shooting seems to be as good as I have seen. I am sure there are those that shoot a hell of a lot better, but he has impressed me with his overall capability.
Also.....his videos are quite enjoyable and for some reason the idiot refuses to wear hearing protection the majority of the time.
Huh? What did you say? [laugh]
Yea fps stands for first person shooter.. use to be fpskyle ( his name) he's some rich kid, as you can also tell from his hold ak47, but he is a pretty good shot.
Heading to my friend's west TX ranch this upcoming week to goof off with the guys. Cold adult beverages, cigars, grilled steaks over mesquite wood, major BS and gun shooting! [thumbsup] I do need to check the kitchen point account but I think it's flush for at least three days of fun.
Need to clean the Rem 700, MP5, a couple of ARs and some pistols... just so I can get them dirty again! ;) May spend more time on the .22s this time... bad economy and all. Can you ever have a bad time shooting .22s? Didn't think so! [beer]
Maybe even get in some feral hog hunting with the youngins. They aren't lazy like us old folk and are always up for an early morning or evening hunt off the corn feeders. Glad when the kiddos show up... they keep us all young! [laugh] ;)
How feral is a corn fed hog?
Just a question. ;D
It's just a well fed feral hog. [laugh] No one said they were dumb. If a feeder is going off they will find it. Makes for easier hunting too! [thumbsup] And subsequently, makes for better hams and tenderloins!! [drool]
I guess it's good if easy hunting is what you like.
To me easy is feeding them for 6 months and then taking the carcass to the butcher.
I think when you count all the equipment it's cheaper too. ;)
sadly much of the West Texas ranching/hunting is done via feeders. Boring as hell and expensive too. I'd rather go search and kill either pigs or time. ;)
I'm old and running out of time. I need the quick and easy hunt. [laugh] I still have never hunted deer from a blind, tree stand or off a feeder. Hogs don't get that pass. [bacon]
Quote from: fastwin on April 29, 2012, 12:38:45 PMI still have never hunted deer from a blind, tree stand or off a feeder.
[thumbsup] [thumbsup]
I've never understood the "sport" in hunting deer off a feeder, but make the beast with two backs pigs, they don't deserve the same respect ;)
Quote from: fastwin on April 29, 2012, 12:38:45 PM
I'm old and running out of time. I need the quick and easy hunt. [laugh] I still have never hunted deer from a blind, tree stand or off a feeder. Hogs don't get that pass. [bacon]
You're only as old as you make yourself.
Quote from: ducpainter on April 29, 2012, 03:33:30 PM
You're only as old as you make yourself.
Being up there in years myself, couldn't agree more ;D
[thumbsup]
But to quote my late Dad, "I am sick and tired of waking up feeling sick and tired." [laugh]
Anyone do or know of someone who hunt wild hog with just a knife?
Quote from: cokey on April 30, 2012, 10:17:37 AM
Anyone do or know of someone who hunt wild hog with just a knife?
No.
But I know a good orthopaedist if you feel like going for it.
Quote from: cokey on April 30, 2012, 10:17:37 AM
Anyone do or know of someone who hunt wild hog with just a knife?
There are folks that do it, but they use dogs as well. Do a YouTube search.
Quote from: Buckethead on April 30, 2012, 10:31:28 AM
No.
But I know a good orthopaedist if you feel like going for it.
I'd have the medavac ready as well, with a good trauma surgeon on standby.
Quote from: cokey on April 30, 2012, 10:17:37 AM
Anyone do or know of someone who hunt wild hog with just a knife?
I have been a part of my share of bad ideas.
No way would I be the one to say hold my beer and watch this
I'd do it with dogs and a spear. Once that got easy, I'd consider dogs and a knife. If a hog has 3 or 4 Dogos Argentinos hanging off it, one on each ear, sticking one with a knife or spear is greatly simplified - unless a dog looses its grip, in which case, your day just got a lot more interesting.
I'd really be nervous if I had a good pack of dogs, letting someone that I didn't know personally run with them with a spear. If you haven't done much spear or big knife work, they are very dangerous, deadly pieces of equipment, they don't have a safety and keeping it in a safe direction requires constant attention, especially with dogs running around, especially in the violent, high stress excitement of a dog/hog/hunter fight. Someone that looses their cool, is just as likely to stick a dog as the pig, resulting in any amount of bad feelings.
I've killed a fair amount of smallgame with spears - I think going after a hog would definitely get the blood pumping.
There's a reason I called you a mad scientist
;)
You say that like its a bad thing?
Coming from him it's a highest order compliment. [beer]
I've been called worse by better people! ;D
Quote from: Buckethead on April 30, 2012, 01:34:25 PM
Coming from him it's a highest order compliment. [beer]
Indeed :)
Quote from: WarrenJ on April 30, 2012, 01:54:22 PM
I've been called worse by better people! ;D
Surely ;)
My older brother has a friend with a great story about wild hogs and a knife. Long ago my brother's buddy that owned a trucking company went to Hawaii (I'm guessing the big island... not sure now) with his wife. He had booked with a local guide to go on a hog hunt while they were there. He made sure his rifle was properly checked on the flight over (way pre-9-11) and was looking forward to the hog hunt.
His local guide picked him up early one morning at his hotel with several howling dogs in the back of his truck. Off they go and spend most of the morning going straight up hill (make that mountain!) on foot. I remember my brother's friend saying his guide was of Hawaiian decent and was a really big guy but could haul ass up the side of a hill or mountain.
Well the dogs finally catch scent of a pig and off they go. Guide and hunter trying to keep up. The hounds corner the boar and they are hanging off the hog in heavy brush in a life and death battle. My brother's friend cannot get a clear shot at the hog due to the dogfight. The guide waves him off saying he doesn't want one of his dogs shot by accident.
So the guide hands him a big ass straight blade knife and says he's going to join in the fray, jump on the back of the hog and stick his fingers up it's snout and pull it's head back... all the while the dogs are tearing the hog up! Oh, and by the way, the guide wanted him to cut the hog's throat with the knife while he had it's head pulled back!!!! WTF???
As the story goes it went down like the guide wanted but when the hunter cut the hog's throat blood went everywhere (duh??) and all hell broke loose. The dogs and hog went to the next nuclear level of craziness! Wasn't there but I do know my brother's friend and have heard him tell this story many times over the years. Crazy story but I do remember him saying his gun was never used after all that effort to get it there for a hunt and it took a beating that day in the brush.
Hard to believe but I know it's a true story. Just glad it was him and not me doing the pig sticking!! [thumbsup] [bacon] [popcorn]
I was about to suggest going to Hawaii for that sort of thing. I had a connection (through my ex-wife) for a guy that hunted wild hog with dogs and (he claimed) a knife. Lots of people down there do it, so I had no reason not to believe him. He used to bring me some of the best sausage I've ever had!!! Really miss that stuff.
that is one funny story.. i can only imagine the hod/dogs and your brother's friend and teh guide all getting the crap kicked out of them in the process with the blood going everywhere then. [clap]
Quote from: DRKWNG on April 30, 2012, 03:30:22 PM
I was about to suggest going to Hawaii for that sort of thing. I had a connection (through my ex-wife) for a guy that hunted wild hog with dogs and (he claimed) a knife. Lots of people down there do it, so I had no reason not to believe him. He used to bring me some of the best sausage I've ever had!!! Really miss that stuff.
That's a big part of the story I don't know about. What happened to the dead hog. The guy lives here in the DFW TX area and the dead pig was in Hawaii. You damn sure don't get it processed and sent to Texas. It would cost a fortune! Regardless, hearing him tell the story is 100 times better than my vague recollection. As I said, crazy story but I know it's true. And yes, there is nothing better than good sausage!!! [thumbsup] ;D [bacon] [drool]
Man, I really loves me some ham.
[drool]
Quote from: fastwin on April 30, 2012, 04:24:10 PM
That's a big part of the story I don't know about. What happened to the dead hog. The guy lives here in the DFW TX area and the dead pig was in Hawaii. You damn sure don't get it processed and sent to Texas. It would cost a fortune! Regardless, hearing him tell the story is 100 times better than my vague recollection. As I said, crazy story but I know it's true. And yes, there is nothing better than good sausage BACON!!! [thumbsup] ;D [bacon] [drool]
Just say'n... :-*
[bacon]
Quote from: stateprez on April 27, 2012, 09:31:53 AM
I'm putting a 5" 1/2x28 Adco barrel on my 9MM SBR. I'll have to swap the mount between the Glock since it probably won't cycle with the recoil booster.
I was thinking more about the .300 Blackout/.22 AR- If I wanted to register it as an SBR, how would you do it? I've heard you default to the largest caliber/shortest barrel, so I would register the .22 serial lower as a .300 Blackout?
Yes, that is correct. Im not sure the Cal. matters much(as long as it is under .50). Once the lower is engraved with the new SBR S#, then you can send in your forms and $200. I would register as a 300 blackout. Once you get your tax stamp you can swap out the uppers all you want.
Here is another video I made a while back. This was at a "guys weekend" in the mountains. This is two shots in the night. The first shot is a Desert Eagal .50 and the second is a .223 target pistol. Enjoy!
two shots in the night (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GypKAYpsytI&feature=relmfu#)
Quote from: fastwin on April 29, 2012, 08:40:17 AM
Heading to my friend's west TX ranch this upcoming week to goof off with the guys. Cold adult beverages, cigars, grilled steaks over mesquite wood, major BS and gun shooting! [thumbsup] I do need to check the kitchen point account but I think it's flush for at least three days of fun.
Need to clean the Rem 700, MP5, a couple of ARs and some pistols... just so I can get them dirty again! ;) May spend more time on the .22s this time... bad economy and all. Can you ever have a bad time shooting .22s? Didn't think so! [beer]
Maybe even get in some feral hog hunting with the youngins. They aren't lazy like us old folk and are always up for an early morning or evening hunt off the corn feeders. Glad when the kiddos show up... they keep us all young! [laugh] ;)
It sounds like your weekend may end up looking a bit like this. Here are pics from a friend's bachelor party/ guy's weekend in the mountains. We made him where a safety vests all weekend though.(http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/ducrider45/DSCF5290.jpg)
This was not staged. Several of the long guns just ended up in this doorway.
(http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/ducrider45/DSCF5291.jpg)
We also had some fun on these!
(http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/ducrider45/DSCF5292.jpg)
"And yes, there is nothing better than good sausage!!!"
Great [bacon] is!!!
Reminds me of what we used to do at the gun range outside the town where I grew up. They had camper hookups at the long-range firing line and over by the combat pistol range. My friend Bob would bring out his camper van and hook up over at the CP range. We'd shoot all afternoon, then use the pivoting grill on the back of his camper to make dinner, then go back and shoot til it got dark. Then we'd sit around and drink and "critique" each other's shooting skills. Occasionally (before the drinking started in earnest for the night) we'd have a muzzle blast "competition" where one person at a time would head out to the 100 yard hunter pistol range (with the really high berms) and put one downrange.
Bob's ported .357 with the 3" barrel and some "warm" handloads was on an unbroken win streak until I bought a .300 WinMag with a muzzle break. [evil]
Yeppers, nothing better than an all guys weekend at a farm or ranch. Sorry ladies, no offense. But boys just to need to be boys. It's healthy. Guns, motorcycles/ATVs, grilled meat, liquor, beer, good snacks, maybe some sleep and high quality BS... beats thousands of dollars in counseling every time! It's kept me alive and semi-sane for decades! [laugh]
No kidding! The guy in the pic is an "IT" guy. Just look at that smile! that never happens otherwise. ;D
Quote from: ducrider45 on April 26, 2012, 09:45:59 AM
Here is my first attempt at making a video for Youtube. This is 5 shots through my Browning Buckmark with the 22Sparrow on it. As is typical you hear a little first round pop (not loud at all), then all you hear after that is the action and the round hitting the target. Very fun set up!
five shots (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMxoWzc12tY&feature=player_detailpage#)
Your making me want to mail in my gen1 sparrow for the upgrade [beer]
Quote from: ducrider45 on April 18, 2012, 09:34:21 AM
Ok, I got out last night and shot the new rifle (S&W M&P 15-22). I shot a Winchester tactical AR-22 round and some CCI sub-sonic. The Winchester was supper-sonic and was too loud for our shooting location.
We were shooting from a slightly elevated position down to our paper targets 100 yards away. The CCI sub-sonic cycled very well and the gun was dead on left to right. No adjustment needed. The rounds were all hitting about 8-10 inches low at 100 yards. I did not bring the sight adjustment tool, so we just aimed a little high. We both were able to get a 2" group of 5 shots (open sights from bench rest).
Being able to shoot with the suppressor was great! I do have two small complaints though. The bolt slap was quite loud as compared to other semi-auto 22's. You definitely need a spacer for the threads when you install the suppressor. Both are very minor issues though.
All things considered, this is a very fun rifle to shoot. It was a great buy!
(http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/ducrider45/IMG-20120412-00084.jpg)
I had the same rifle and sold it. The ejection port pop got worse :(
Suppressed M&P15-22 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BetNQYHxUs#)
Sounds good in this video though. I want the new ruger 10/22 takedown. [thumbsup]
I'd love to have a muffled .22LR. Either 10/22 or Ruger Mark II pistol. How much fun would that be? [thumbsup] [popcorn] [bow_down]
Quote from: fastwin on April 30, 2012, 02:13:18 PM
My older brother has a friend with a great story about wild hogs and a knife. Long ago my brother's buddy that owned a trucking company went to Hawaii (I'm guessing the big island... not sure now) with his wife. He had booked with a local guide to go on a hog hunt while they were there. He made sure his rifle was properly checked on the flight over (way pre-9-11) and was looking forward to the hog hunt.
The rules for flying with guns haven't changed at all since 9/11. Some airlines are voluntarily more strict, but the general rule is no more than 5 handguns in a case that is locked by the passenger (and not openable by TSA). The TSA search is done with the owner present and then the case is locked after the TSA puts an "inspected" tag inside the case. I think the limit for long guns is 2 per passenger.
One box of ammo is includable if it is packed in a container which keeps it from moving.
Not trying to get into gun law here... but I have only flown with a handgun once. My ex-wife and I went to NOLA years ago and she was worried about possible trouble in the Quarter after dark. There was lots of bad press about crime in NOLA at that time. Actually she was more worried than I was. She "insisted" I take a gun and I had a carry license that was recognized by Louisiana.
I called the airline to make sure I had the rules straight. Back then they used to put the "HEY, looky here! There is a gun inside this suitcase!!!" sticker on the bag. As you can imagine it lead to lots of guns being "lost". Shortly after our trip they changed that and put the "it's OK" paperwork inside the luggage.
I made sure the gun was disassembled and the ammo kept separate and locked in another piece of luggage. This was all pre 9-11 so I am sure things have tightened up. I hope it has! [roll]
Quote from: fastwin on May 02, 2012, 09:37:24 AM
Not trying to get into gun law here... but I have only flown with a handgun once. My ex-wife and I went to NOLA years ago and she was worried about possible trouble in the Quarter after dark. There was lots of bad press about crime in NOLA at that time. Actually she was more worried than I was. She "insisted" I take a gun and I had a carry license that was recognized by Louisiana.
I called the airline to make sure I had the rules straight. Back then they used to put the "HEY, looky here! There is a gun inside this suitcase!!!" sticker on the bag. As you can imagine it lead to lots of guns being "lost". Shortly after our trip they changed that and put the "it's OK" paperwork inside the luggage.
I made sure the gun was disassembled and the ammo kept separate and locked in another piece of luggage. This was all pre 9-11 so I am sure things have tightened up. I hope it has! [roll]
I don't know how long ago that was, but as far back as I can remember the FAA disallowed anything visible on the outside indicating it was a firearm. That would be the early 90s. I think some airlines might have done that for the security check but it was supposed to be removed.
Rules haven't changed at ALL. You can put ammo in the same container provided it is in something "suitable for ammo".. this means the original box or an ammo box. It can't be loose. Gun doesn't have to be disassembled but I always put in an orange zip tie thru the action so they can see it's unloaded.
I leave near DC and fly out of Reagan all the time (which is inside DC).. I've never had a problem. I just tell them I am checking firearms and here is my locked container, please direct me to TSA for the hand search. They never bat an eye... until they see the goodies.
I just flew with a handgun last month (United). Before hand, I checked with United's and TSA's website on rules. It's pretty straight forward - it must be in check-in luggage, must be unloaded, in locked hard case, with ammo separated from the case. You must declare the firearm at check-in; otherwise, you run the risk of getting into big trouble.
At the check-in, I calmly told the agent that I have a firearm to declare. He didn't even bother looking up and said ok. He then handed me an orange declaration form to sign that I had followed all the rules. He then instructed me to take my luggage to the oversized luggage door to have my luggage and firearm inspected. It took 5 extra minutes.
Yeah, it was early-mid 90's. It was Southwest Airlines and they were totally cool. I broke the auto down because I thought they would like that. And I too ran a zip tie through the barrel even though I had the auto apart. No problems on either side of the trip. And yes, back then they did put "there is a gun in this luggage!!" stickers on your bags. That program soon ended after that... for all the right reasons! [thumbsup]
Quote from: Fireman1291 on May 02, 2012, 08:28:26 AM
Your making me want to mail in my gen1 sparrow for the upgrade [beer]
You should! Its not too costly is it?
Spent some time at the reloading bench tonight. Been a while.
I forgot how nice gunpowder smells :D
Trying for a Chloroform buzz?
Is there chloroform in there? I didn't pack my sinuses with it ;D
I need to do a push test with GDHP in my 85
I check mine by pushing them hard on the edge of the bench and measuring before and after with good calipers (oal)
I've never double checked the oal after firing a round. I probably should for piece of mind.
Quote from: Monsterlover on May 05, 2012, 06:57:53 PM
I check mine by pushing them hard on the edge of the bench and measuring before and after with good calipers (oal)
I've never double checked the oal after firing a round. I probably should for piece of mind.
I'm talking about determining OAL for the chamber and that bullet
Oh, gotcha.
Any one have any experiance with a Sig Sauer with the Short Reset Trigger, SRT? I am thinking of retrofitting one to my P229 as the only thing that bothers me about it is the long trigger reset. How much shorter is it, ease of installation?
Some guy is having a bad day. NSFW (language)
BudsGunShop Is SH*T (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fs_AiQccyPg%20#)
He seems unhappy.
Could use an anger management class
Wow. Imagine getting into a car accident with that asshole.
Wow. No kidding. Too many screws loose in the head. [bang] :P [roll]
People aren't getting punched in the face enough anymore to keep them humble.
For sure. Don't normally condone that kind of behavior but some times it is needed. ;) Also lots of ways to correct that problem without airing your dumb ass dirty laundry on the world wide web. [roll]
I was doing two things at once when I watched that. What, exactly, was the issue?
[laugh] [laugh] [clap] [laugh] [laugh]
That was the effect, not the cause.
Quote from: Monsterlover on May 09, 2012, 06:47:23 PM
That was the effect, not the cause.
apparently the sketch looked better than the gun.
Otherwise I'm not sure.
Quote from: Monsterlover on May 09, 2012, 06:27:48 PM
I was doing two things at once when I watched that. What, exactly, was the issue?
The problem, or the root of the cause, is that the person is dumb.
That pretty much sums it up.
I am sure we have all ordered stuff on line/over the phone/etc. and not received exactly what we wanted. Jeez, just deal with it and get it corrected... and stay off the internet!
Quote from: Monsterlover on May 09, 2012, 06:27:48 PM
I was doing two things at once when I watched that. What, exactly, was the issue?
wasn't it obvious? the gun in the picture pointed right, and the one they sent him pointed left! duh!
Quote from: faolan01 on May 11, 2012, 08:28:40 AM
wasn't it obvious? the gun in the picture pointed right, and the one they sent him pointed left! duh!
Duh! [roll]
[clap]
Quote from: faolan01 on May 11, 2012, 08:28:40 AM
wasn't it obvious? the gun in the picture pointed right, and the one they sent him pointed left! duh!
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
I just made a deal to buy a lightly used gun for $3 under MSRP when new. The reason is, that there are no new ones for sale anywhere! I have been looking for a Savage Mark II FV SR all year! I finally found one for sale.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFBAcz16GvU&feature=youtube_gdata_player (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFBAcz16GvU&feature=youtube_gdata_player)
Quote from: cokey on May 15, 2012, 09:56:59 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFBAcz16GvU&feature=youtube_gdata_player (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFBAcz16GvU&feature=youtube_gdata_player)
I had to learn that the hard way. i was next to a guy shooting a new revolver and I got hit in the neck with hot lead splatter/shavings that had come from that gap. there was a timing issue with the gun that caused it. I thought that I had been shot at the time. [thumbsdown]
Quote from: ducrider45 on May 11, 2012, 03:44:53 PM
I just made a deal to buy a lightly used gun for $3 under MSRP when new. The reason is, that there are no new ones for sale anywhere! I have been looking for a Savage Mark II FV SR all year! I finally found one for sale.
I just ordered the scope, rings and two 10rd mags for the build. I still need the stock and bipod.
Kind of a neat vid. I like the slo mo of it ejecting the spent case and bringing a fresh one into the chamber. Skip the assembly part in the beginning.
slow motion bullet impacts and vz.58 rifle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PqAk-qianA&feature=related#)
Quote from: Monsterlover on May 22, 2012, 12:06:20 PM
Skip the assembly part in the beginning.
...unless you're really into bolero.
Quote from: derby on May 22, 2012, 05:19:40 PM
...unless you're really into bolero.
No sound on my shop PC...no idea what the soundtrack was ;)
Quote from: derby on May 22, 2012, 05:19:40 PM
...unless you're really into bolero.
Beck's Bolero?
The Jeff Beck Group (Jeff Beck) Beck's Bolero (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUTD3Ap-lGE#)
better version... ;)
BECK'S BOLERO (1967) by the Jeff Beck Group - with backwards guitar ending (http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=nmO0OZC6Ifk#)
;D
Quote from: ducpainter on May 22, 2012, 05:41:19 PM
Beck's Bolero?
The Jeff Beck Group (Jeff Beck) Beck's Bolero (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUTD3Ap-lGE#)
better version... ;)
BECK'S BOLERO (1967) by the Jeff Beck Group - with backwards guitar ending (http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=nmO0OZC6Ifk#)
;D
This is the gun stuff thread....you know what to do....
;D
Quote from: rgramjet on May 22, 2012, 07:27:16 PM
This is the gun stuff thread....you know what to do....
Ban your crack-smoking, redneck ass?
;D
So, I got a new gun
(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa14/akido10/302578_288449934500853_100000075470244_1281195_1126145032_n.jpg)
[evil]
Added a Gas Operated 12G:
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/hundredpercentkill/Guns/0cea2c18.jpg)
nice attachment IZ. Glad your in TX now where you can buy anything you want. [thumbsup]
Quote from: DarkStaR on June 01, 2012, 07:30:21 PM
Added a Gas Operated 12G:
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/hundredpercentkill/Guns/0cea2c18.jpg)
Win 1100?
I picked up a Mossy 9200 "Jungle" Gun year ago when they still made them and they were under $400. I've got no complaints with it, but I really do prefer being able to manually cycle -- still, it's fun to shoot clays... with slugs.... lol
Quote from: ducatiz on June 02, 2012, 08:13:14 AM
Win 1100?
I picked up a Mossy 9200 "Jungle" Gun year ago when they still made them and they were under $400. I've got no complaints with it, but I really do prefer being able to manually cycle -- still, it's fun to shoot clays... with slugs.... lol
It's a Mossberg 930.
I thought about getting a pumper, but I tend to short stroke 'em when shooting fast, and most feel rickety to me (due to the pump)...even the higher end models.
My mind was set on a Gas Operated 12g, and almost got the Benelli M4, but figured I'd give the cheaper 930 a chance before spending that much money on a 12g. The 930 doesn't have a good history, but mine is good so far, and doesn't have any issues the problematic ones left the factory with in the past. If it ever does start to give me issues, it'll be replace with the Benelli M4.
Quote from: DarkStaR on June 02, 2012, 08:33:43 PM
It's a Mossberg 930.
I thought about getting a pumper, but I tend to short stroke 'em when shooting fast, and most feel rickety to me (due to the pump)...even the higher end models.
My mind was set on a Gas Operated 12g, and almost got the Benelli M4, but figured I'd give the cheaper 930 a chance before spending that much money on a 12g. The 930 doesn't have a good history, but mine is good so far, and doesn't have any issues the problematic ones left the factory with in the past. If it ever does start to give me issues, it'll be replace with the Benelli M4.
lol "rickety"
yes, the pump action is 100 years old, so they still make them the same way -- they feel loose after a while, but actually that's when they are broken in.
i've never handled the 930, i assume it's got a similar gas setup to the 9200. i like my 9200 a lot, i just wish i could manually cycle it like a pump... i know there are other models besides the SPAS..
Quote from: fastwin on June 03, 2012, 10:59:45 AM
Not to ever get political on this thread, but these days will not last forever. Get what what you want now if you can afford it.
You just did.
Quote from: DRKWNG on June 03, 2012, 12:22:59 PM
You just did.
It did not go unnoticed...
And has been added to his 'personal tally'. ;)
Quote from: ducpainter on June 03, 2012, 12:46:26 PM
And has been added to his 'personal tally'. ;)
Texan gets a spanking!!!
;D
So who's got the deals these days on the targets that show green or orange where you hit?
Im starting to like those.
Quote from: Monsterlover on June 04, 2012, 08:35:29 AM
So who's got the deals these days on the targets that show green or orange where you hit?
Im starting to like those.
Lucky gunner has an ok price...
http://www.luckygunner.com/targets-shoot-n-c-6-inch-34550-60 (http://www.luckygunner.com/targets-shoot-n-c-6-inch-34550-60)
Stop picking on Texans >:(
Who am I kidding. Let Fastwin have it. [thumbsup]
Quote from: ducpainter on June 04, 2012, 08:44:10 AM
Lucky gunner has an ok price...
http://www.luckygunner.com/targets-shoot-n-c-6-inch-34550-60 (http://www.luckygunner.com/targets-shoot-n-c-6-inch-34550-60)
I stopped the checkout when they wanted over $13.00 to ship 60 6" targets!
I guess I'm in the wrong business. . .
Quote from: Monsterlover on June 04, 2012, 02:12:26 PM
I stopped the checkout when they wanted over $13.00 to ship 60 6" targets!
I guess I'm in the wrong business. . .
I'd look elsewhere then.
Midway wanted a ton more for the Caldwell targets and they get a ton for shipping.
How much shipping for more than one pack?
Better not be 39 [laugh]
http://www.amazon.com/Birchwood-Casey-Shoot-N-C-Targets-Bullseye/dp/B0025VWBCM (http://www.amazon.com/Birchwood-Casey-Shoot-N-C-Targets-Bullseye/dp/B0025VWBCM)
$20 + free ship.. not all 6" tho
http://www.amazon.com/75-pack-Reactive-Splatter-Instantly/dp/B005D7JXB2/ref=lh_ni_t (http://www.amazon.com/75-pack-Reactive-Splatter-Instantly/dp/B005D7JXB2/ref=lh_ni_t)
75 8" targets for $25 and ship is $5
Bought some 8 inchers, thanks!
FYI: The ShotGlow targets are not stickers.
I can work with either. The indoor range has foam pannels to pin targets too.
Quote from: Monsterlover on June 04, 2012, 07:53:48 PM
I can work with either. The indoor range has foam pannels to pin targets too.
Just a heads up so you don't end up looking like a jack ass trying to peel off what is not a sticker...Like I did this weekend. :P
;D
[thumbsup]
My gun club is raffling off some guns this year.
Henry "golden boy" lever action .22
Rossi trifecta
Savage 93r17 bolt action .17 hmr
Savage axis XP.270 bolt action w/scope
Hand carved duck decoys.
Are any of those guns "cool?"
I might just buy all the tickets they sent me to sell. I don't do anything with the club other than sometimes I hit the basement range. Its mainly a club for trap shooters. No outdoor range even.
Thoughts?
I was at a Fun Shoot / competition last month and one guy brought a Henry Golden Boy to shoot in the .22 division. It really is a cool rifle. Loading the rifle might be a little PITA and I can see the lever action might get old after awhile. But that's not what the rifle is intended for; it's for that old-time feel and a great conversation starter.
What's your opinion on a .17 HMR rifle, particularly the CZ45x American series?
I've been researching on what to get next. I want a traditional style rifle with accurate and relatively inexpensive ammo. Not going to use it to hunt or shoot over 200 yrds. The .17 HMR and the CZ rimfire rifle keep on coming. It's peaking my interest. Thoughts?
Quote from: Goat_Herder on June 11, 2012, 12:53:37 PM
What's your opinion on a .17 HMR rifle, particularly CZ45x American series?
I've been researching on what to get next. I want a traditional style rifle with accurate and relatively inexpensive ammo. Not going to use it to hunt or shoot over 200 yrds. The .17 HMR and the CZ rimfire rifle keep on coming. It's peaking my interest. Thoughts?
Try to get a 452.
I have one in 22lr.
Quote from: Goat_Herder on June 11, 2012, 12:53:37 PM
What's your opinion on a .17 HMR rifle, particularly the CZ45x American series?
I've been researching on what to get next. I want a traditional style rifle with accurate and relatively inexpensive ammo. Not going to use it to hunt or shoot over 200 yrds. The .17 HMR and the CZ rimfire rifle keep on coming. It's peaking my interest. Thoughts?
17hmr is a pretty cheap round, but for the performance and price I would just stick with a 22.
http://www.jgsales.com/-p-6938.html (http://www.jgsales.com/-p-6938.html)
CZ model 485 in 223... $420 new..
Thanks for the feedbacks. There is definitely no argument against the good 'ol 22lr - its cheap and for <100 yrds, it's more than adequate. I am looking for something different than what I already have, that's why I am considering a rifle in a .17 HMR.
Here's where I got started thinking about the .17. I've acquired a SIG522 and it's a fantastic rifle for plinking. It's rock solid and looks like a million bucks. Love it. Recently thru a trade, I got an M&P15OR with a .22 conversion kit. I really enjoy that, too. It's my first AR and first time shooting 5.56. I dressed it up a bit and it, too, is fun gun.
This past weekend, a friend and I were out shooting our pistols and rifles. It was great fun. But when we got down to shooting long range targets (~90 yrds, bipod, 9x scoop), the two .22lr rifles weren't as accurate as I'd like. That prompt me to think about what I want to get in my next purchase.
Something with more accruacy, perhaps a longer barrel. Maybe traditional with bolt action (and not so "tacticool) for consistent shots. Something that's not crazy big and powerful with a effective range of 1 mile. Adding up all these criterias, I arrived at the .17 hmr.
But from what I've gathered so far, .17 isn't as popular as I thought it'd be. Is it too small? ineffective? gimmicky? redudent?
Quote from: ducatiz on June 12, 2012, 09:45:52 AM
http://www.jgsales.com/-p-6938.html (http://www.jgsales.com/-p-6938.html)
CZ model 485 in 223... $420 new..
That isn't a CZ...
It's a Zastava
Quote from: Goat_Herder on June 12, 2012, 10:49:37 AM
Thanks for the feedbacks. There is definitely no argument against the good 'ol 22lr - its cheap and for <100 yrds, it's more than adequate. I am looking for something different than what I already have, that's why I am considering a rifle in a .17 HMR.
Here's where I got started thinking about the .17. I've acquired a SIG522 and it's a fantastic rifle for plinking. It's rock solid and looks like a million bucks. Love it. Recently thru a trade, I got an M&P15OR with a .22 conversion kit. I really enjoy that, too. It's my first AR and first time shooting 5.56. I dressed it up a bit and it, too, is fun gun.
This past weekend, a friend and I were out shooting our pistols and rifles. It was great fun. But when we got down to shooting long range targets (~90 yrds, bipod, 9x scoop), the two .22lr rifles weren't as accurate as I'd like. That prompt me to think about what I want to get in my next purchase.
Something with more accruacy, perhaps a longer barrel. Maybe traditional with bolt action (and not so "tacticool) for consistent shots. Something that's not crazy big and powerful with a effective range of 1 mile. Adding up all these criterias, I arrived at the .17 hmr.
But from what I've gathered so far, .17 isn't as popular as I thought it'd be. Is it too small? ineffective? gimmicky? redudent?
17 HMR is pretty pricey compared to 22lr.
I believe that's why it hasn't taken off because all the other attributes are there.
Quote from: Goat_Herder on June 12, 2012, 10:49:37 AM
Thanks for the feedbacks. There is definitely no argument against the good 'ol 22lr - its cheap and for <100 yrds, it's more than adequate. I am looking for something different than what I already have, that's why I am considering a rifle in a .17 HMR.
Here's where I got started thinking about the .17. I've acquired a SIG522 and it's a fantastic rifle for plinking. It's rock solid and looks like a million bucks. Love it. Recently thru a trade, I got an M&P15OR with a .22 conversion kit. I really enjoy that, too. It's my first AR and first time shooting 5.56. I dressed it up a bit and it, too, is fun gun.
This past weekend, a friend and I were out shooting our pistols and rifles. It was great fun. But when we got down to shooting long range targets (~90 yrds, bipod, 9x scoop), the two .22lr rifles weren't as accurate as I'd like. That prompt me to think about what I want to get in my next purchase.
Something with more accruacy, perhaps a longer barrel. Maybe traditional with bolt action (and not so "tacticool) for consistent shots. Something that's not crazy big and powerful with a effective range of 1 mile. Adding up all these criterias, I arrived at the .17 hmr.
But from what I've gathered so far, .17 isn't as popular as I thought it'd be. Is it too small? ineffective? gimmicky? redudent?
I dont have any experience with the Savage other than hefting one in a gun shop. They are supposedly very accurate rifles. Never cared too much for the fit and finish.
There are a few .17 HMR rifles in my safe. Remington 597 which has been recalled due to missfires (with which I have personal experience) need to send it back. It was a great little rifle until it blew up in my hand. TG my son wasnt shooting it when that happened!
Next is a Winchester 9417 which is a tube-mag lever rifle. Very fun to shoot and worth over twice what I paid for it brand new.
My favorite of the three is the Ruger 77/.17. It has a 24" SS bull barrel and laminated stock. Scope is a Burris 3-9x40. I am very happy with the way it shoots out to 220m. Shoot and see targets are a must if you want to track where these things are going! I dont remember what the holdover is at 200 vs a 100yd zero......its not much!
Its a lot of fun to lob .22lr rounds at 6" steel plates at 220m to see if you can make it ding every once in a while. The .17 is a consistant/trackable ding.
Quote from: ducpainter on June 12, 2012, 12:21:00 PM
That isn't a CZ...
It's a Zastava
CZ stands "Crvena Zastava". So yes, you're right, but they are made alongside the CZ-USA arms officially imported.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zastava_Arms#Crvena_Zastava (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zastava_Arms#Crvena_Zastava)
Quote from: ducatiz on June 12, 2012, 05:05:14 PM
CZ stands "Crvena Zastava". So yes, you're right, but they are made alongside the CZ-USA arms officially imported.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zastava_Arms#Crvena_Zastava (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zastava_Arms#Crvena_Zastava)
In my mind CZ stands for Česká zbrojovka Uherský Brod
I'm not very familiar with the Zastava stuff.
It isn't imported by CZ-USA.
I believe you're confusing it with this...
http://www.zastava-arms.rs/ (http://www.zastava-arms.rs/)
Quote from: ducpainter on June 12, 2012, 05:11:20 PM
In my mind CZ stands for Česká zbrojovka Uherský Brod
I'm not very familiar with the Zastava stuff.
It isn't imported by CZ-USA.
I believe you're confusing it with this...
http://www.zastava-arms.rs/ (http://www.zastava-arms.rs/)
maybe i am...?
Quote from: ducatiz on June 12, 2012, 05:40:34 PM
maybe i am...?
Either way...
$420 for a NIB .223 is a good price.
The CZ's I'm familiar with are a bunch more.
Quote from: ducpainter on June 12, 2012, 05:43:01 PM
Either way...
$420 for a NIB .223 is a good price.
The CZ's I'm familiar with are a bunch more.
I have handled a Zastava mauser and it's indistinguishable from the CZ guns I've seen. They are very nice.
Quote from: Goat_Herder on June 12, 2012, 10:49:37 AM
But from what I've gathered so far, .17 isn't as popular as I thought it'd be. Is it too small? ineffective? gimmicky? redudent?
it suffers from a few problems..
1. rimfire. can't reload and make your own loads.
2. too much established 22lr out there -- 22lr is too damn cheap. 17hmr is a necked down 22 lr round, but that just makes it cheaper for the manufacturers not for the users.
3. solution in search of a problem.
it's not a bad round, it's just not needed imho and therefore, it never will get more than a tiny market share.
22 magnum has been around for a while and is a fine round, so is 22 hornet and a few other in that class. 22mag is a rimfire and 22hornet is a centerfire (reloadable) but both are niche. 22mag solves the problems that 17hmr proposes to solve -- flatter trajectory, higher velocity -- and you can use lighter projectiles with it and the same barrels even... but no love...
http://www.theboxotruth.com/index.html (http://www.theboxotruth.com/index.html)
Cool site
Quote from: ducatiz on June 12, 2012, 05:44:16 PM
I have handled a Zastava mauser and it's indistinguishable from the CZ guns I've seen. They are very nice.
Looking at the site...
they're very different from the CZ-UB models in appearance.
Quote from: ducpainter on June 12, 2012, 05:52:26 PM
Looking at the site...
they're very different from the CZ-UB models in appearance.
Same basic Mauser action. Take a look at one in person and you'll see what I mean. Squint and you'll not tell the difference. I'd be surpised if the stocks weren't interchangeable. No one is innovating on Mauser actions.
I'll be over in the "Ban yourself" area. :P
Quote from: Ducatamount on June 13, 2012, 03:19:47 AM
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/04/11/nra-going-guns-a-blazing-to-stop-ammunition-microstamping-in-new-york-state/ (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/04/11/nra-going-guns-a-blazing-to-stop-ammunition-microstamping-in-new-york-state/)
We don't do gun law or gun politics.
Thanks.
Quote from: ducatiz on June 12, 2012, 05:57:24 PM
Same basic Mauser action. Take a look at one in person and you'll see what I mean. Squint and you'll not tell the difference. I'd be surpised if the stocks weren't interchangeable. No one is innovating on Mauser actions.
I can't disagree with that, but fact is they're two separate companies in different countries.
Quote from: ducatiz on June 12, 2012, 05:48:29 PM
it suffers from a few problems..
1. rimfire. can't reload and make your own loads.
2. too much established 22lr out there -- 22lr is too damn cheap. 17hmr is a necked down 22 magnum round, but that just makes it cheaper for the manufacturers not for the users.
3. solution in search of a problem.
it's not a bad round, it's just not needed imho and therefore, it never will get more than a tiny market share.
22 magnum has been around for a while and is a fine round, so is 22 hornet and a few other in that class. 22mag is a rimfire and 22hornet is a centerfire (reloadable) but both are niche. 22mag solves the problems that 17hmr proposes to solve -- flatter trajectory, higher velocity -- and you can use lighter projectiles with it and the same barrels even... but no love...
Fixed.
The .17hmr flies at about 2500 fps. Its amazing how potent/destructive the miniscule bullet can be.
Im a huge fan of both the .22lr and .22mag. Both have stood the test of time. The hmr is a lot of fun to shoot.........like a micro .22-250.
Quote from: ducpainter on June 13, 2012, 04:00:17 AM
I can't disagree with that, but fact is they're two separate companies in different countries.
Yes, dear.
Quote from: rgramjet on June 13, 2012, 04:24:25 AM
Fixed.
The .17hmr flies at about 2500 fps. Its amazing how potent/destructive the miniscule bullet can be.
Im a huge fan of both the .22lr and .22mag. Both have stood the test of time. The hmr is a lot of fun to shoot.........like a micro .22-250.
i didn't realize it was a 22mag case -- but that's just an extended 22lr case...
IIRC the 22mag can get close to 2500 fps with the lighter projectiles, but you lose stability due to length
i can see the reason for the narrower projectile and getting more stability over long distances, but it comes across as a gun nerd's dream to me.. i.e. "i want to shoot squirrels from 200 yards and i'm lazy so i don't want to adjust my scope for drop"
Quote from: ducatiz on June 13, 2012, 05:15:28 AM
Yes, dear.
Trigger groups are different...
safeties are different...
I'm not disputing they're a good rifle.
They are not indistinguishable...honey. :-*
Quote from: ducpainter on June 13, 2012, 05:32:56 AM
Trigger groups are different...
safeties are different...
I'm not disputing they're a good rifle.
They are not indistinguishable...honey. :-*
No, you're right. They are different. I think the CZ I handled in person was a Zastava now.. One of the old ones when the Zastava factory was called CZ
historical side note; the Germans successfully sued the US for royalties for M1903 rifle design infringement...payments ended at the onset of WW1
I have a Savage bolt gun in 17 HMR. While it is an impressive cartridge, paying $12-15/50 is a bit ridiculous. It isn't bad if you are going to use it for small game, but running 500 rounds through it at the range gets a bit pricey. One thing to consider, it is significantly louder than a 22 WMR. Look into the 17 Mach 2 for a slightly cheaper round (22LR necked down to 17)
Quote from: ducatiz on June 13, 2012, 05:20:00 AM
IIRC the 22mag can get close to 2500 fps with the lighter projectiles, but you lose stability due to length
i can see the reason for the narrower projectile and getting more stability over long distances, but it comes across as a gun nerd's dream to me.. i.e. "i want to shoot squirrels from 200 yards and i'm lazy so i don't want to adjust my scope for drop"
Um, if being a Gun Nerd is wrong.........I dont wanna be right!
The .17 bullet itself is about the size of a pencil lead. Makes the .22 bullet look huge when they are separated from their respective cases.
I have an opportunity to pick up a Marlin 1894 Cowboy in 45 Colt for about $500. I'm not terribly interested in it, but wondering what some possibly more educated opinions might be. Should I be giving it more consideration?
Quote from: sugarcrook on June 17, 2012, 05:12:06 PM
I have an opportunity to pick up a Marlin 1894 Cowboy in 45 Colt for about $500. I'm not terribly interested in it, but wondering what some possibly more educated opinions might be. Should I be giving it more consideration?
45 colt is an ancient round, fairly low power but fun to shoot on a lazy afternoon.
i have a Puma copy of an 1894 in LC that I like but I'd prefer it in something like 357 or 44. 45 colt is considered a cowboy round..
Not sure about your comments regarding the low power of the 45 LC. Based on what I've read, the LC is a great round for all-around use.
And I don't what country you're in comrade, but here in the U.S., we're all cowboys. (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/cowboy/smileys-cowboy-052901.gif)
Quote from: sugarcrook on June 18, 2012, 10:38:04 PM
Not sure about your comments regarding the low power of the 45 LC. Based on what I've read, the LC is a great round for all-around use.
And I don't what country you're in comrade, but here in the U.S., we're all cowboys. (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/cowboy/smileys-cowboy-052901.gif)
He doesnt like the .17hmr, its too nerdy. He doesnt like the .45 LC, its to Cowboy-ey.
What are you desert Island rounds Tizzy? You know who youre starting to sound like......
;D
Quote from: sugarcrook on June 18, 2012, 10:38:04 PM
Not sure about your comments regarding the low power of the 45 LC. Based on what I've read, the LC is a great round for all-around use.
And I don't what country you're in comrade, but here in the U.S., we're all cowboys. (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/cowboy/smileys-cowboy-052901.gif)
45 LC is a low power round compared to other 44-45 class rounds. It was originally a black powder cartridge developed in the 1870s for pistols.
I don't have any problem with it, I think I mentioned I have a levergun chambered in 45LC. It's fun to shoot, it has barely any recoil.
"All around use?" I can see that, but it's just not going to have the power advantage of a modern 45-class round, or even a 9mm.
I see the round most used in Cowboy Action Shooting competition. (it's a "Cowboy round") I rarely see it at the range. The cheapest price I found for it on the web is 52c per round whereas for 44magnum I found 45c per round., and 44mag is infinitely superior and you can use 44spec in the same gun.
Most of the lever guns I see nowadays are either 357 or 44magnum and occasionally 30-30.
Quote from: rgramjet on June 19, 2012, 01:34:22 AM
He doesnt like the .17hmr, its too nerdy. He doesnt like the .45 LC, its to Cowboy-ey.
What are you desert Island rounds Tizzy? You know who youre starting to sound like......
45GAP, 41A&E, 32NAA, 45 Win Mag, 10mm... all good rounds more or less, and they all failed in the marketplace because they simply were either a solution in search of a problem or they offered something but due to other factors, failed (like 10mm failed due to the cartridge size requiring larger frames.. it was easier to make 40 and use 9mm frames)
I like anything that shoots and that I can scrounge when SHTF
Years ago, I was packing to go to the range and realized I had 10 rifles and about 200 lbs of ammo. It was simply because I had 7 or 8 different calibers. I made the decision then to consolidate to common calibers, or at least rounds that I could get easily and cheaply and to hone my skill to them rather than trying to find a "holy grail" round.
Put it another way... there has been a lot of debate over 9mm vs 40 vs 45 and so on. At the end of the day, if you practice for headshots and followup, you can be shooting with a 22. There is no magical pistol round -- learn to shoot for your equipment.
Likewise, have good equipment. If you spend 2 grand on a rifle, but $200 for the glass, and then you don't even sight that in correctly, and then you use milsurp rounds that are for a machine gun, it's not going to shoot right. Build the equipment correctly, calibrate it for a high quality ammo choice and keep everything consistent and practice with that.
If you put me on a desert island? I want the most ammo possible in the most accurate equipment. Probably a bolt action 22LR or 223 rifle. Assuming a crate washes up and it's filled with rounds, there are going to be far more 22LR than any other round, but 223 would be far more useful in taking game.
NOT on a desert island, I want the most available rounds. Your 10mm pistol isn't going to be much good during the zombie apocalypse. When you find that police cruiser or that army truck, they will have 7.62, 5.56 and 9mm or 40, and that's it. They won't have 7.62x39 either, but since that ammo used to be so cheap, I bought a shit-ton of it and am still milking it -- I've never even bought any of the Wolf polymer coated rounds because I still have so much of the old lacquer coated stuff. Likewise the 8mm and 7.62x54 -- when the Turk 8mm came around in early 1998, I bought a lot of it. I have half a dozen spam cans of Albanian and Romanian Mosin ammo. It will never go bad and those mosin rifles are cheap. If there is ever another "Katrina" disaster around me, it will be easy to hand out Mosin and SKS rifles to my neighbors...
I also have caches of 7.5 Swiss, 7.5 French, 6.5 Arisaka, 7.65, and others. I don't know what I'll do with the rifles when I run out of ammo, but I don't shoot those rifles much. Some can probably be converted to .308 (7.5 swiss is very close in size and power).. others will just become relics.
SHTF. Have a ton of something small so you can bug out and a ton of something big invade you need it (big game, vehicles, armor or huge mutated zombies )
I want one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIhjoQVbiRs&feature=youtube_gdata_player (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIhjoQVbiRs&feature=youtube_gdata_player)
I like the sights on that.
I'm also more than a little jealous of that range he's got there.
He has two.. ones the rifle range..
?
I've watched a shit load of his vids and I've only ever seen that same range.
He has about 40 acres.. more of his rifle range but doesn't use it often..
Browning 1886 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8mnA1U1fL8&feature=youtube_gdata_player#)
My boy got a write up in this months Special Weapons mag. [clap]
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/942bce57.jpg)
Nice... I subed to his channel
I have a AR-15 Bushmaster varminter 24" fluted heavy barrel with J&R two stage trigger, Nikon 8-20x50 illuminated Mil-Dot with Harris bypod for sale. Very very accurate .28 five shot group at 100yards. $1250 free shipping to your FFL. I will also donate 1% to the forum if sold here. Just PM me.
Quote from: BerettaMato on June 25, 2012, 05:54:34 PM
<snip>
Post your for sale here...
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?board=13.0 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?board=13.0)
Done. Sorry my bad just figured gun stuff. :'(
Quote from: Goat_Herder on June 12, 2012, 10:49:37 AM
Thanks for the feedbacks. There is definitely no argument against the good 'ol 22lr - its cheap and for <100 yrds, it's more than adequate. I am looking for something different than what I already have, that's why I am considering a rifle in a .17 HMR.
But from what I've gathered so far, .17 isn't as popular as I thought it'd be. Is it too small? ineffective? gimmicky? redudent?
To describe the .17hmr
It looks cool
It is the equivalent of someone saying
"hey, let's put a powder charge behind a pellet"
It shoots like a laser as long as there is no wind
And
It'll flip anything up to a yote for $0.22
After talking to a few guys at the local shops about .17HMR and CZ rifles in particular, I think I am pretty much sold. it will likely be my next purchase somewhere down the line, that is, if the Wife approves.
CZ455 American or Varmint is peaking my interest right now.
Quote from: Goat_Herder on June 26, 2012, 04:08:58 PM
After talking to a few guys at the local shops about .17HMR and CZ rifles in particular, I think I am pretty much sold. it will likely be my next purchase somewhere down the line, that is, if the Wife approves.
CZ455 American or Varmint is peaking my interest right now.
The 452's have less plastic...
if you can find one.
I'll bite.
Here's my newest toy. Lwrc m6 16" mid lightweight profile. Gunfighter charging handle mod 4, NiB Exo coated internals, Ace arfx-e stock, ergo grip, Daniel defense rear fixed sight, Vtac scout mount with maelstrom g2, trijicon Rmr triangle reticle on American defense tall mount, 4.5# nib coated trigger, urban ert sling. Dead nuts reliable.
Quote from: michaeljr on June 26, 2012, 05:04:57 PM
I'll bite.
Here's my newest toy. Lwrc m6 16" mid lightweight profile. Gunfighter charging handle mod 4, NiB Exo coated internals, Ace arfx-e stock, ergo grip, Daniel defense rear fixed sight, Vtac scout mount with maelstrom g2, trijicon Rmr triangle reticle on American defense tall mount, 4.5# nib coated trigger, urban ert sling. Dead nuts reliable.
http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=33228&d=1339723600 (http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=33228&d=1339723600)
you need to be a member of northeast shooters to view that link.
Quote from: ducpainter on June 26, 2012, 05:06:09 PM
you need to be a member of northeast shooters to view that link.
Fixed.
(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o513/michaelesheehan/lwrc.jpg)
(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o513/michaelesheehan/lwrc2.jpg)
(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o513/michaelesheehan/lwrc3.jpg)
thanks
I'll post one of ze commie toys too comrade.
(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o513/michaelesheehan/ak.jpg)
We actually have a gun pic thread too.
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=25903.0 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=25903.0)
If you have more stuff you might want to show it off there.
Quote from: ducpainter on June 26, 2012, 05:30:04 PM
We actually have a gun pic thread too.
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=25903.0 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=25903.0)
If you have more stuff you might want to show it off there.
Didn't notice it. TY! I'll have to get around to taking some more pictures.
Seriously contemplating a Sig P238. NIB, laser, night sights, $519. The only problem is the P938. I actually went in looking for a 938, but am a bit scared of the new design bugs. I'd like to give the 938 a year or so and this would make a good interim piece. Thoughts?
938 is awful fat for a small gun
Quote from: DW on July 06, 2012, 12:40:59 PMSeriously contemplating a Sig P238. NIB, laser, night sights, $519. The only problem is the P938. I actually went in looking for a 938, but am a bit scared of the new design bugs. I'd like to give the 938 a year or so and this would make a good interim piece. Thoughts?
How are you planning on carrying? 238 is great ankle and pocket carry, but if it's going to be iwb, and you don't mind going a tad bigger, it might be worth considering the Walther pps in 9. In a crossbreed, you forget you're carrying.
This one is going to be for my wife. I've got a Bersa for her now, and she wants something smaller than that. Im not a fan of the kel tec/lcp, etc. I've heard too many recent first hand reviews that were not favorable. The 238 seems to be extremely well built and feels nice in the hand.
For me, I've got a G27. I'd like something smaller than that for summer carry, but don't like paying extra for .380, hence the 938. I also handled a Kimber Solo today, but for me the verdict is still out on that design.
I'd like to buy quality and keep it for quite a while.
does it have to be only a .380?
I like my Kel Tec P3AT and it's performed flawlessly.
DW, that Bersa is a fine little gun. [thumbsup]
Quote from: muskrat on July 06, 2012, 07:43:44 PM
DW, that Bersa is a fine little gun. [thumbsup]
which one?
I had the 380 Thunder and it was accurate and easy trigger pull. I almost felt cheated with how smooth it was at half the cost of my Beretta's. I also shot the 9 mm and it too felt very smooth.
The Bersa is the standard blued thunder .380. It is a great shooter at any price.
Well, we went and bought the p238. Love it! It is an unbelievably good little shooter. From 25 feet both of us shot it just as well as my Glock and the Bersa. Very low recoil, very good sights, comfortable grip. We got the gun with night sights, sig branded laser, standard and extended mags, and the cheesy sig holster new in box for $499. In addition they had some sellier and belloit .380 for $11 a box. Total spend after tax for the gun and 200rnds was $580.
Took it home and gave it a thorough cleaning and lube, then ran 100rnds through it with zero issues. My wife is very happy with it and I am pretty confident I'll be picking up the P938 as soon as they become available and have had enough time to work out their bugs.
I defied the laws of physics and actually shot a 5 round 1 inch group out of this @100 yards on Saturday
South African Parts kit & barrel on a DSA receiver
(http://i852.photobucket.com/albums/ab88/hicap9/get-attachmentaspx.jpg)
Far more credit to the operator than the equipment! The biggest cause of rifle inaccuracy is usually that the nut behind the buttplate is loose.
Quote from: RAT900 on July 09, 2012, 06:20:10 AM
I defied the laws of physics and actually shot a 5 round 1 inch group out of this @100 yards on Saturday
South African Parts kit & barrel on a DSA receiver
South African or Rhodie?
I have two Rhodie kits that look like hell but are in good shape. Original barrel? I think the SA kits used Belgian barrels = best.
I have a few of those and everything to build them.
Quote from: WarrenJ on July 09, 2012, 06:39:53 AM
Far more credit to the operator than the equipment! The biggest cause of rifle inaccuracy is usually that the nut behind the buttplate is loose.
YUP
Quote from: ducatiz on July 09, 2012, 06:45:25 AM
South African or Rhodie?
I have two Rhodie kits that look like hell but are in good shape. Original barrel? I think the SA kits used Belgian barrels = best.
I have a few of those and everything to build them.
YUP
It has an as-new Pretoria proofed barrel,
the rest is South African that probably was from the Rhodie bush wars...
though the lower still has the SA serial number and wasn't sanitized
I was using my home-rolled 150 grain SMK match rounds
let me know if you want to part with a Rhodie kit...
I have a nice M14 TRW contract parts set...has every pin and spring.. :)
Quote from: RAT900 on July 09, 2012, 08:33:43 AM
It has an as-new Pretoria proofed barrel,
the rest is South African that probably was from the Rhodie bush wars...
though the lower still has the SA serial number and wasn't sanitized
I was using my home-rolled 150 grain SMK match rounds
let me know if you want to part with a Rhodie kit...
I have a nice M14 TRW contract parts set...has every pin and spring.. :)
If you want one of the Rhodie kits, I can let it go. (note: no lower. i only have 2 Imbel lowers left and both are spoken for...)
I have a USGI M14 kit too -- all the pieces still in wrap. Citadel barrel.. I will buy an LRB lugged receiver one day and build it up.. Did you get yours from a guy named Mark Cefaly?
Are you offering a trade of the M14 kit for the Rhodie kit? ;D
Quote from: ducatiz on July 09, 2012, 08:36:36 AM
If you want one of the Rhodie kits, I can let it go. (note: no lower. i only have 2 Imbel lowers left and both are spoken for...)
I have a USGI M14 kit too -- all the pieces still in wrap. Citadel barrel.. I will buy an LRB lugged receiver one day and build it up.. Did you get yours from a guy named Mark Cefaly?
Are you offering a trade of the M14 kit for the Rhodie kit? ;D
PM me
M14 kit is a separate negotiable ;D
1MOA with iron sights from that rifle is impressive.
Quote from: kopfjäger on July 10, 2012, 01:05:34 AM
1MOA with iron sights from that rifle is impressive.
I call it impossible...I seriously do NOT know how it happened...
FALs never do those sorts of things...2-4 plus inches are the std. no matter how good a shot you are
but sometimes freak-of-nature events happen
like a Hole In One in golfing..
this thing had been sitting in my closet for at least 5 years since I assembled it and tested it
and I dragged it out for a change of pace from the M14's
Quote from: RAT900 on July 10, 2012, 01:29:41 AM
I call it impossible...I seriously do NOT know how it happened...
FALs never do those sorts of things...2-4 plus inches are the std. no matter how good a shot you are
but sometimes freak-of-nature events happen
like a Hole In One in golfing..
this thing had been sitting in my closet for at least 5 years since I assembled it and tested it
and I dragged it out for a change of pace from the M14's
I have to disagree a little. With a high end barrel, even a light barrel, and the right headspacing, 1 moa is possible with a FAL
the receiver is actually very sturdy and stiff. Unlike the AR, the bolt locks directly onto the barrel, which is a superior design and the heavy carrier and tilting bolt provide a lot of recoil buffering -- esp with the basic design and that long-ass recoil tube.
I have a HB setup and with good ammo can regularly get 1" groups. i headspaced it myself and it's about as tight as it can go within range.
A match barreled and tuned one yes I would agree....
that said, my experience with average rack-grade versions was usually disappointing
even after much experimentation with various match hand loads...which is the game I like to play, getting a pig to sing like the fat lady
choke the accuracy out of an average weapon with the right round, oal, shoulder set, bullet seating depth, powder type & charge and bullet head
one thing I did do with this rifle was build and headspace it myself @ 1.632
and I took a pair of small vice grips to the rear sight to tighten it on the rail and eliminate the slop
I plan to keep playing with it now that it hit a few high notes [laugh]
Quote from: RAT900 on July 10, 2012, 10:37:08 AM
A match barreled and tuned one yes I would agree....
that said, my experience with average rack-grade versions was usually disappointing
even after much experimentation with various match hand loads...which is the game I like to play, getting a pig to sing like the fat lady
choke the accuracy out of an average weapon with the right round, oal, shoulder set, bullet seating depth, powder type & charge and bullet head
one thing I did do with this rifle was build and headspace it myself @ 1.632
and I took a pair of small vice grips to the rear sight to tighten it on the rail and eliminate the slop
I plan to keep playing with it now that it hit a few high notes [laugh]
with good barrel and correct headspace and predictable ammo, you can do a lot with fals.
Quote from: RAT900 on July 10, 2012, 01:29:41 AM
I call it impossible...I seriously do NOT know how it happened...
FALs never do those sorts of things...2-4 plus inches are the std. no matter how good a shot you are
[thumbsup]
Hello enthusiasts,
I am looking into getting an AR-15, and was wanting to see if some of you could lend some opinions on different makes from your own experiences. It would be much appreciated!! Thanks!!
Quote from: LayneK on July 15, 2012, 03:16:50 AM
Hello enthusiasts,
I am looking into getting an AR-15, and was wanting to see if some of you could lend some opinions on different makes from your own experiences. It would be much appreciated!! Thanks!!
Need a little more info there, bud. What kind of shooting you plan on doing, budget, etc.
What's the deal with these things?
http://www.jgsales.com/-c-16_790.html (http://www.jgsales.com/-c-16_790.html)
Never heard of CANIK before. Im not in the market but is this a price point gun?
Quote from: Monsterlover on July 17, 2012, 12:24:12 PM
What's the deal with these things?
http://www.jgsales.com/-c-16_790.html (http://www.jgsales.com/-c-16_790.html)
Never heard of CANIK before. Im not in the market but is this a price point gun?
It's a Turk brand. There are probably 20-30 gun companies in Turkey. They are not bad quality, they are a Walther P99 clone.
No kidding
Not a bad price for a 9 mm
Quote from: Monsterlover on July 17, 2012, 12:55:13 PM
No kidding
Not a bad price for a 9 mm
Maybe yes maybe no.
I think they have stopped importing them. If they aren't parts compatible with the Walthers then you're SOL if something breaks.
I picked up a Daewoo DP51 when they were being imported and then Daewoo went under and now I am left with an orphan gun. It's super high quality so probably nothing ever will, but you never know.
Quote from: Monsterlover on July 17, 2012, 12:24:12 PM
What's the deal with these things?
http://www.jgsales.com/-c-16_790.html (http://www.jgsales.com/-c-16_790.html)
Never heard of CANIK before. Im not in the market but is this a price point gun?
They also made a CZ clone...C-100
Reports are they worked fine.
Quote from: ducpainter on July 17, 2012, 02:50:20 PM
They also made a CZ clone...C-100
Reports are they worked fine.
Because it's a CZ clone. :D
Quote from: DRKWNG on July 17, 2012, 02:58:39 PM
Because it's a CZ clone. :D
Cuz they stole it from John.
Very sound design. ;D
High Speed Video of Pistols Underwater - Smarter Every Day 19 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eUlpPY96Ok&feature=relmfu#)
Neat video.
http://www.coolthings.com/triple-barrel-revolver/ (http://www.coolthings.com/triple-barrel-revolver/)
(http://www.coolthings.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/tripebarrelrevolver1.jpg)
If anyone is interested there is a group buy going on over at Hkpro.com
It's for a Hk45c in FDE with 3 mags and meps. night sites for
$855
http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-handgun-talk/157602-possibility-group-buy-hk45c-tan.html (http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-handgun-talk/157602-possibility-group-buy-hk45c-tan.html)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCppmoZiXUY&feature=youtube_gdata_player (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCppmoZiXUY&feature=youtube_gdata_player)
Machine gun goodness
Soon you'll be able to make guns at home:
http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2012-07/working-assault-rifle-made-3-d-printer (http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2012-07/working-assault-rifle-made-3-d-printer)
Quote from: sugarcrook on July 28, 2012, 06:02:22 PM
Soon you'll be able to make guns at home:
http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2012-07/working-assault-rifle-made-3-d-printer (http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2012-07/working-assault-rifle-made-3-d-printer)
[evil]
Quote from: sugarcrook on July 28, 2012, 06:02:22 PM
Soon you'll be able to make guns at home:
http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2012-07/working-assault-rifle-made-3-d-printer (http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2012-07/working-assault-rifle-made-3-d-printer)
I posted that elsewhere, but the title annoys me to no end. The dumbass who wrote it perpetuates the incorrect term.
Moreover, it wasn't the rifle that was printed, only the lower receiver:
http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:11770 (http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:11770)
However, as I also pointed out, the ability to make guns at home has been around for a while.. AK receivers are just stamped metal and can be built pretty easily. The tricky part is the barrel.
Quote from: ducatiz on July 28, 2012, 07:27:35 PM
Moreover, it wasn't the rifle that was printed, only the lower receiver:
http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:11770 (http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:11770)
Thanks for the follow-up. But isn't the lower the most important part? Can't you buy everything else over-the-counter without ID?
Quote from: sugarcrook on July 28, 2012, 10:42:13 PM
Thanks for the follow-up. But isn't the lower the most important part? Can't you buy everything else over-the-counter without ID?
the part that has the serial number is the firearm...
Quote from: sugarcrook on July 28, 2012, 10:42:13 PM
Thanks for the follow-up. But isn't the lower the most important part? Can't you buy everything else over-the-counter without ID?
Yes. Legally the serialized part is the firearm (as derby mentioned), but the popsci article makes it sound like they printed a whole gun.
Polymer lowers are not that unusual. Bushmaster bought Calvary Arms, which invented an injection-molded lower from glassfiber filled Zytel, which is the same Dupont polyamide that Ruger uses in its pistols.
I just purchased a Spikes AR 15 stripped lower. Let the games begin!
I'm going to build the lower up with some nice hardware and a good stock, then pick out a couple of uppers. Probably a pretty basic M4 style upper with iron sights for plinking, then go crazy with a high quality varmint upper and optics for the trips out to North Dakota to visit family. Something to reach out and touch some coyotes after I max out my daily pheasant limit. Maybe 6.5 Grendel.
Hopefully I'll get the lower and M4 upper wrapped up this year. The varmint variant is probably a solid year out and will also involve a handloading setup.
I have been considering buying an AR in 9mm from JP rifles. They use one of their forged complete lowers, and a modified RRA 9mm Upper. They offer a version using their SCR upper (billet with a side charging handle) but they claim its only used for select-fire versions for LEOs. I mainly want this gun to motivate me to apply for a Class III tax stamp and get a suppressor. They claim 2 MOA accuracy out to 200 yards with decent ammo. This would be plenty for the carbine matches I would use the gun in.
http://www.guns.com/oil-filter-suppressor-10324.html (http://www.guns.com/oil-filter-suppressor-10324.html)
Use an oil filter as a suppressor.
Quote from: fastwin on August 07, 2012, 07:49:10 AM
I can't find time to change oil in my vehicles much less waste a good filter as a can. [laugh] [laugh] Interesting video though. [popcorn]
seems to me if you used an old filter it would suppress even better, but i'd pre-drill the hole first and let the oil drain out as much as possible.
Quote from: ducatiz on August 07, 2012, 07:06:49 AM
http://www.guns.com/oil-filter-suppressor-10324.html (http://www.guns.com/oil-filter-suppressor-10324.html)
Use an oil filter as a suppressor.
Well how about that.
Quote from: ducatiz on August 07, 2012, 08:12:59 AM
seems to me if you used an old filter it would suppress even better, but i'd pre-drill the hole first and let the oil drain out as much as possible.
Before anybody actually goes out and tries it, isn't it a big no no to attach any sound suppression devise to your firearm before paying Uncle Sam?
Quote from: Goat_Herder on August 07, 2012, 05:29:59 PM
Before anybody actually goes out and tries it, isn't it a big no no to attach any sound suppression devise to your firearm before paying Uncle Sam?
It clearly states that the adapter is registered as a suppressor.
That said...
we don't do gun law.
Quote from: Monsterlover on August 07, 2012, 03:43:58 PM
Well how about that.
14mm LH female and 16mm RH male and use your Ducati filters on an AK
Quote from: ducatiz on August 07, 2012, 07:06:49 AM
http://www.guns.com/oil-filter-suppressor-10324.html (http://www.guns.com/oil-filter-suppressor-10324.html)
Use an oil filter as a suppressor.
Why do you need a suppressed rifle?
Cause all the cool kids are doing it ;)
Quote from: kopfjäger on August 07, 2012, 05:54:13 PM
Why do you need a suppressed rifle?
Polite shooting practice.
Quote from: sugarcrook on July 28, 2012, 10:42:13 PM
Thanks for the follow-up. But isn't the lower the most important part? Can't you buy everything else over-the-counter without ID?
Yes. You can also buy an 80% lower and finish it yourself. No ID required, you only need to put a serial number on it if you sell it.
Quote from: kopfjäger on August 07, 2012, 05:54:13 PM
Why do you need a suppressed rifle?
Hearing retention......
So I was at my local supermarket grabbing a sub for lunch today and they had cantaloupe on sale and it morphed into this....lol.
Zombie cantaloupe brain test (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-xtfFeyIL4#)
[clap]
Quote from: Fireman1291 on August 10, 2012, 03:18:06 PM
So I was at my local supermarket grabbing a sub for lunch today and they had cantaloupe on sale and it morphed into this....lol.
Zombie cantaloupe brain test (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-xtfFeyIL4#)
Eyepro [bang]
Quote from: kopfjäger on August 11, 2012, 04:16:26 PM
Eyepro [bang]
Especially with how erratic the spent cases can come out of that G19.
I've seen my share of stupid mothermake the beast with two backsers over the past 30yrs, but homeboy just might win the prize. [laugh] [bang]
Shooting Drills for AR15 and Glock (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGU-liVAlw0&feature=youtube_gdata_player#)
He's been watching too many magpul videos...
Quote from: kopfjäger on August 11, 2012, 07:02:16 PM
I've seen my share of stupid mothermake the beast with two backsers over the past 30yrs, but homeboy just might win the prize. [laugh] [bang]
Shooting Drills for AR15 and Glock (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGU-liVAlw0&feature=youtube_gdata_player#)
Holy sh*t lolololol Thats funny as hell! [laugh]
And yes... [bang] I should have wore my eyepro....human...mistakes...
Stress relief and nothing more ;)
*Language warning
Range Day @ FFA (Florida Firearms Academy) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWaiA55B7OQ#)
IPSC YOUNGEST SHOOTER IN THE WORLD MIKO ANDRES 6 year old - extra ordinary (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei_m1mesIo4&feature=youtube_gdata_player#)
Quote from: kopfjäger on August 12, 2012, 07:09:57 PM
IPSC YOUNGEST SHOOTER IN THE WORLD MIKO ANDRES 6 year old - extra ordinary (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei_m1mesIo4&feature=youtube_gdata_player#)
i bet this girl could've taken him at that age:
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 17, 2012, 06:48:42 PM
Edward Wilks - Daughter Miriam: Reverse Evolution of a Shooter (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l89yZZ06i8U&feature=youtube_gdata_player#) <~~~ click
Quote from: kopfjäger on August 11, 2012, 04:16:26 PM
Eyepro [bang]
In FL the only protection you need is the backwards baseball hat. Works great as a motorcycle helmet as well.
That kid's gun is bigger than he is.
Quote from: duccarlos on August 13, 2012, 01:40:00 PM
In FL the only protection you need is the backwards baseball hat. Works great as a motorcycle helmet as well.
[laugh]
Quote from: derby on August 12, 2012, 07:43:25 PM
i bet this girl could've taken him at that age:
???
Anyone here have any thoughts on the Walther P22. Im looking for a cheap plinker that can host my suppressor. I already run it on my Browning Buckmark. Im trying to find something to take out in the feild to play with.
My Savage Mark II build is back on! I have bought the rifle, scope and I have ordered the custom stock. The stock has an 8 week lead time. I will need bipod as well. I'm not sure if I'm going to go with a sling swivel mounted bipod or a direct mounted unit.
Quote from: ducrider45 on August 21, 2012, 10:45:11 AM
Anyone here have any thoughts on the Walther P22. Im looking for a cheap plinker that can host my suppressor. I already run it on my Browning Buckmark. Im trying to finde something to take out in the feild to play with.
I recalled they got less than stellar reviews when I was shopping for a .22 pistol...
I went with a Ruger 22/45 with the threaded muzzle....
and the REMOVABLE grip frame
been quite happy with it
here is an immediate sampling of googling "Walther p22 junk?"
http://www.waltherforums.com/forum/walther-rimfire-co2-pistols/14163-p22-disaster.html (http://www.waltherforums.com/forum/walther-rimfire-co2-pistols/14163-p22-disaster.html)
Quote from: ducrider45 on August 21, 2012, 10:45:11 AM
Anyone here have any thoughts on the Walther P22. Im looking for a cheap plinker that can host my suppressor. I already run it on my Browning Buckmark. Im trying to finde something to take out in the feild to play with.
I had a lot of problems with mine. Roll pins backing out, and then the hammer following the slide upon release. I sent it back to Smith twice, but they never fixed it correctly. There's a handbook on how to make them "reliable" somewhere on a Walther forum.
Never jammed or misfired really, but I wouldn't buy another one.
Quote from: fastwin on August 21, 2012, 02:15:53 PM
I wouldn't trade either of my Ruger bull barrel MKIIs for anything. They aren't muffled but if I wanted a .22 can it would go on those. Other than a Wison Combat .22 slide/barrel coversion I have on a nice worked over Springfield 1911 I have never thought about trading/getting rid of or buying another .22 semi auto. I can't say anymore praise about my MKIIs than that. [thumbsup] [bow_down]
I feel the same way. I have two of them,well, one is my dad's Standard Model that was made in 1959, it's probably the first pistol I ever shot. I don't use it much... :-) The other is a bull barrel MKII and I would never trade it nor get rid of it for anything. Best fun ever, shooting tennis balls at 100 ft with the iron sights (and Eley super match ammo of course)
Two friends have the Walther. Very finicky .22. They pretty much only seem to feed CCI mini-mags. Everything else we've tried to run through them has jammed constantly.
I am in the market for a low time MkII myself. Accurate and reliable.
My neighbor just brought over a .204 single shot Ruger rifle, never seen one. Anybody shot one?
Tori Nonaka (14) USPSA Cool Springs Range GA. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8t1tp73Qa8&feature=youtube_gdata_player#)
HA!! She's local.
I love this type of stuff. I may be participating in a local 3 Gun competition here in Kentucky next month. I just bought a new AR a few weeks ago, so I finally have the guns I need. I'm not expecting to do great, but it should be fun nonetheless.
Quote from: DRKWNG on August 22, 2012, 03:12:24 AM
HA!! She's local.
Hatfield's is the smith I use for most of my gunsmithing needs. They have pictures of her in the shop.
A couple of questions for the AR crowd.
What do you think of the Leupold VX-R 1.25-4 x 20 Patrol?
What's a good scope mount for a M-4 (Ruger SR556)?
I've got Trijicon Reflex II and Aimpoint red dots on AR platforms but I also have recently bought two Leupold AR .223 BDC scopes and really like them. I have a 3x9 on a 16" barrel semi auto M4 and mounted the 4x12 scope on a Rem 700. Both have mil-dot reticles.
Have a good friend that just recently got a Nikon M-223 AR 1-4X20 scope with "point blank reticle" on his AR flat top and he really likes it. I've shot it and I like it too! [thumbsup] It's a BDC scope also.
It's nice to have the option of BUIS, red dot or a scope on an AR... but I am partial to the Leupolds I bought. Can't go wrong with any name brand scope. My 2 cents. ;D
Does anyone have the Speer #14 reloading manual? I am looking for the load data for the Speer 125 gr JSHP (#4013) in .38 and .357 mag. My older manuals dont have the data for the HP-38 and Titegroup I currently have been using.
Thanks.
Maybe here
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=39943.msg711681#msg711681 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=39943.msg711681#msg711681)
searching reloading data only results in my post :P
I figured a couple people would roll their own here.
You could try calling speer. They should be able to give you data over the phone, right?
I reload, but only for 9 and .223.
The Hodgdon data doesn't list any Speer bullets and the only 125 gr is an xtp. http://data.hodgdon.com/main_menu.asp
I'd think that if you start at the lowest suggested load and work up watching for pressure signs you'd be OK.
Do you have a chrono?
not yet, I just got into it.
I had loaded 5 rds doing exactly that, 4.3 grs of hp-38 and titegroup (10 rounds total) to go test at the range today. Those are min loads far a 125 gr jshp in both my older hodgdon and speer manuals. I was doing some googling later on and was looking for target performance on the round, and saw gun forums with warnings that in speer #14 this particular bullet has a do not download warning with hp-38 and titegroup. The charges vary from site to site and are a bit higher than my older load data.
I was hoping someone here actually had the manual and wouldn't mind looking up the data real quick for me
Quote from: Cicero on August 25, 2012, 06:33:30 AM
not yet, I just got into it.
I had loaded 5 rds doing exactly that, 4.3 grs of hp-38 and titegroup (10 rounds total) to go test at the range today. Those are min loads far a 125 gr jshp in both my older hodgdon and speer manuals. I was doing some googling later on and was looking for target performance on the round, and saw gun forums with warnings that in speer #14 this particular bullet has a do not download warning with hp-38 and titegroup. The charges vary from site to site and are a bit higher than my older load data.
I was hoping someone here actually had the manual and wouldn't mind looking up the data real quick for me
I would if I had it.
I think you'll be fine with the online data, but calling Speer like ML suggests isn't a bad idea.
Ill give that a try, hopefully someone will chime in with the data.
I guess I'm shooting lead wadcutters today instead.... oh darn. [laugh]
So I cut out of work a bit early yesterday and got to check another item off the list! ;D
http://s674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/ducrider45/?action=view¤t=IMG_0073.mp4
See the video clip with the link above.
This is my first shot ever with a .50 BMG! It was not as bad as I thought it might be. Im 250lbs and it still pushed me back a bit. I took 5 shots total. I hit a small yellow squash (the size of a 12oz can) at 400 yards on my first try. I missed my last shot (just high), the target (bowling pin) still fell though.
Here is a .50 AE shell (shot from my Desert Eagle) next to the .50 BMG. The rifle we used is in the background.
(http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/ducrider45/IMG_0080-1.jpg?t=1345927221)
Big boom :D
Haven't been to the range in about a year so today I grabbed my sr9c and went.
I had the place to myself just like always and blew through 200 rounds in 45 minutes.
Had a great time and really didn't do too bad. I figure if I can keep my shots in an 8" target from 20' or less then I can toast anyone that gets into my house.
One thing I tried that I had not previously was one shot with a fast followup shot (double tap)
Tried that twice on 2 fresh targets from probably 10' The first attempt had the first shot 1" under the bulls eye and the second shot keyholes the first. The second try wasn't as good but both shot were at least within the 8" ring.
A couple of questions. I have big hands. What should I be doing with my thumbs? I've been in the habit of gripping the gun with my rights hand, gripping that hand with my left (push pull kind of thing) if I put my left thumb against the takedown pin its really comfortable but I have to put my thumb (left one) back there after each shot.
If I switch and lay my right thumb against the frame and my left over that (sort of inline) is way less comfortable but they mostly stay in place with each shot.
Question 2. How clean is clean? I use a brass brush on the barrel a few times and then use that brush to push a cotton patch soaked with eezox through the bore.
The bore looks beautiful after a couple of runs through with the patch. However, there is still dirt on the patch. I ran about 15 of them through and while the dirt was really diminished there was still some there.
I get the feeling I could have put another 15 or 20 patches through it and not been totally clean. At what point do you stop? Or do I need stronger cleaning chemicals?
Quote from: Monsterlover on August 26, 2012, 04:01:46 PM
I have big hands. What should I be doing with my thumbs? I've been in the habit of gripping the gun with my rights hand, gripping that hand with my left (push pull kind of thing) if I put my left thumb against the takedown pin its really comfortable but I have to put my thumb (left one) back there after each shot.
If I switch and lay my right thumb against the frame and my left over that (sort of inline) is way less comfortable but they mostly stay in place with each shot.
Todd Jarrett IPSC Pistol Grip Lesson (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4584332856867071363)
Starting around 1:05
Quote from: Monsterlover on August 26, 2012, 04:01:46 PM
Haven't been to the range in about a year so today I grabbed my sr9c and went.
I had the place to myself just like always and blew through 200 rounds in 45 minutes.
Had a great time and really didn't do too bad. I figure if I can keep my shots in an 8" target from 20' or less then I can toast anyone that gets into my house.
One thing I tried that I had not previously was one shot with a fast followup shot (double tap)
Tried that twice on 2 fresh targets from probably 10' The first attempt had the first shot 1" under the bulls eye and the second shot keyholes the first. The second try wasn't as good but both shot were at least within the 8" ring.
A couple of questions. I have big hands. What should I be doing with my thumbs? I've been in the habit of gripping the gun with my rights hand, gripping that hand with my left (push pull kind of thing) if I put my left thumb against the takedown pin its really comfortable but I have to put my thumb (left one) back there after each shot.
If I switch and lay my right thumb against the frame and my left over that (sort of inline) is way less comfortable but they mostly stay in place with each shot.
Question 2. How clean is clean? I use a brass brush on the barrel a few times and then use that brush to push a cotton patch soaked with eezox through the bore.
The bore looks beautiful after a couple of runs through with the patch. However, there is still dirt on the patch. I ran about 15 of them through and while the dirt was really diminished there was still some there.
I get the feeling I could have put another 15 or 20 patches through it and not been totally clean. At what point do you stop? Or do I need stronger cleaning chemicals?
If you don't have any leading, or copper fouling and your groups are reasonable for the gun and ammo...
it's clean enough. ;)
Quote from: DRKWNG on August 26, 2012, 04:08:32 PM
Todd Jarrett IPSC Pistol Grip Lesson (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4584332856867071363)
Starting around 1:05
[bow_down]
Re what he says about the thumbs, I'm doing that but the support hand thumb doesn't seem to stay in place.
Good video, I picked up some things.
Quote from: ducpainter on August 26, 2012, 04:14:52 PM
If you don't have any leading, or copper fouling and your groups are reasonable for the gun and ammo...
it's clean enough. ;)
Its never had copper through it and groups are as good as good as the operator can make them so ill call it good enough.
Took the boys to the range today. My 10 year old son shot my 870 for the first time. Love the reduced recoil rounds!
After, we went to the .22 plinking range. Six year old consistently dinged 8" steel at 20 yards with the bolt action Woodchucker. 10 year old was loving the .22 converted Glock 17.
Was a good gun day!
Load data update (yesterday): like an idiot, I was flipping through my speer manual and realized it had load data for 231.... which is the same powder as HP-38. So I loaded 15 and went to the range and tested, and they shot well.
I am glad I followed up because the original loading I did was 4.3 grains, and the min listed load was 5.0, they would have likely been squibs.
Today was black powder. It's a fun group of older guys, and me the whippersnapper. [laugh] I haven't been out since Feb, but I shot ok, 174 of 300 possible. Offhand shooting at 25, 50, and 100 yards, shooting sticks at 50.
Its too bad its getting harder and harder to buy black powder :-\
Quote from: rgramjet on August 26, 2012, 04:56:33 PM
Took the boys to the range today. My 10 year old son shot my 870 for the first time. Love the reduced recoil rounds!
After, we went to the .22 plinking range. Six year old consistently dinged 8" steel at 20 yards with the bolt action Woodchucker. 10 year old was loving the .22 converted Glock 17.
Was a good gun day!
Awesome! Which range did you go to?
Todd J knows what he's talkin about. [thumbsup] [popcorn]
And your gun can never been too clean but it's not good when it's too oily. Heavy on the clean, light on the lube. ;)
I have to disagree with the cleaning comments. It is possible to have a barrel too clean, at least when it comes to accuracy. My AI opens up to 1 MOA with a completely scrubbed barrel. I have to shoot 3 to 5 rounds just to get back to .5 MOA, and about a dozen to get it back to shooting normally.
Here is a statement from Shilen on the subject:
http://www.shilen.com/faq.html#question12 (http://www.shilen.com/faq.html#question12)
QuoteHow clean is clean?
We get this question many times and have a great deal of difficulty helping some customers understand that a rifle barrel does not have to be spotless to shoot great. Many times more harm than good is done in trying to get it that way. Picture a car's fender. If the fender has a small dent in it, then professional application of body putty fills the dent. When painted over, the dent becomes unnoticeable, and the surface of the fender is smooth and consistent. The same thing happens in a rifle barrel on a microscopic level. Removing this small trace of copper puts you right back to square one. The next bullet that crosses that area will, again, leave a small trace of copper. Similar to patching a pothole. All successful benchrest shooters shoot one or more "fouler" shots down the barrel before going to the record target. This is not to warm up the barrel. They are resurfacing it on the inside. Benchrest shooters clean between relays to get the powder fowling out, not the copper. However, since copper usually comes out with the powder, they know that it must be replaced to get "back in the groove". I've had shooters tell me they "cleaned their rifle for 3 hours to get all the copper out of it." Their next statement is almost invariably that they had to shoot 4-5 rounds through it just to get it back to "shooting" again. This tells me that in order for the rifle to shoot well again, they had to replace the copper they worked so diligently to remove. I have a 7x08 Improved that shoots the same 1/2" MOA after 15 minutes of cleaning or 3 hours of scrubbing and de-coppering. Personally, I prefer shooting to cleaning. The gist of this is to set a regular cleaning regimen and stay with it. If the accuracy of the rifle is acceptable with a 15 min. cleaning, why clean longer? I would much rather have people admiring the groups I shot than marveling at how clean my barrel looks on the inside.
If Shilen says it's Christmas you damn well better hang up your stockings! [thumbsup] Nuff said.
Quote from: zach on August 27, 2012, 11:20:17 AM
I have to disagree with the cleaning comments. It is possible to have a barrel too clean, at least when it comes to accuracy. My AI opens up to 1 MOA with a completely scrubbed barrel. I have to shoot 3 to 5 rounds just to get back to .5 MOA, and about a dozen to get it back to shooting normally.
Here is a statement from Shilen on the subject:
http://www.shilen.com/faq.html#question12 (http://www.shilen.com/faq.html#question12)
Marine Sniper friend of mine taught me to clean my rifle the way he was taught:
cleaner in barrel or on bore snake. 3 passes.
6 passes with rod and oil/ cleaner patches
6 passes with rod and dry patches.
He said they leave the copper residue in the barrel for 200 shots then clean it out and shoot a few fouler shots before putting the the rifle back in service.
I'm not so much as gun guy as someone who is fascinated by the potential of 3D printing. Anyway, came across this and thought it germane to this thread. As the technology develops further and amateur enthusiasts get involved, it could lead to some cool stuff.
http://www.businessinsider.com/it-is-now-possible-to-download-and-3d-print-a-working-ar-15-assault-rifle-2012-8 (http://www.businessinsider.com/it-is-now-possible-to-download-and-3d-print-a-working-ar-15-assault-rifle-2012-8)
Quote from: 1.21GW on August 28, 2012, 08:37:07 AM
I'm not so much as gun guy as someone who is fascinated by the potential of 3D printing. Anyway, came across this and thought it germane to this thread. As the technology develops further and amateur enthusiasts get involved, it could lead to some cool stuff.
http://www.businessinsider.com/it-is-now-possible-to-download-and-3d-print-a-working-ar-15-assault-rifle-2012-8 (http://www.businessinsider.com/it-is-now-possible-to-download-and-3d-print-a-working-ar-15-assault-rifle-2012-8)
ahem:
Quote from: sugarcrook on July 28, 2012, 06:02:22 PM
Soon you'll be able to make guns at home:
http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2012-07/working-assault-rifle-made-3-d-printer (http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2012-07/working-assault-rifle-made-3-d-printer)
Out in the Poconos for vacation. Took step son trap shooting. Both our first time shooting trap.. was fun.. might go again tomorrow before we leave..
Quote from: cokey on August 29, 2012, 10:35:41 AM
Out in the Poconos for vacation. Took step son trap shooting. Both our first time shooting trap.. was fun.. might go again tomorrow before we leave..
If they have skeet available try that if you haven't already. More fun then trap IMO. Birds aren't just flying away from you. They are coming from left and right
Quote from: MikeZ on August 29, 2012, 10:54:36 AM
If they have skeet available try that if you haven't already. More fun then trap IMO. Birds aren't just flying away from you. They are coming from left and right
If you can do a sporting clays course the birds come from all sides and angles (front, back, left, right, high, low, in the air and left, right rolling or bouncing on the ground).
Quote from: ducrider45 on August 29, 2012, 11:37:29 AM
If you can do a sporting clays course the birds come from all sides and angles (front, back, left, right, high, low, in the air and left, right rolling or bouncing on the ground).
Great call DR I should have thought about that. Sporting clays is definitely the best with all the variety of shots they present.
Yea they have both, just a lil more then I want to spend thgh..
Sporting clays would be a waste of money for a first time out. You will probably get the most hits with Trap with a decent gun and a few pointers.
Sporting Clays would be fun if you enjoy watching clay pigeons fly/roll away unscathed.
imho
Good on ya for getting out there and introducing the sport to your step son! [thumbsup]
Quote from: rgramjet on August 29, 2012, 07:05:01 PM
Sporting clays would be a waste of money for a first time out. You will probably get the most hits with Trap with a decent gun and a few pointers.
Sporting Clays would be fun if you enjoy watching clay pigeons fly/roll away unscathed.
imho
Good on ya for getting out there and introducing the sport to your step son! [thumbsup]
I guess I'm a good shot then. Sporting clays was my introduction to shotgunning. ;D
Quote from: ducrider45 on August 31, 2012, 06:15:42 AM
I guess I'm a good shot then. Sporting clays was my introduction to shotgunning. ;D
How many did you hit per round the first day? I would bet you would have done better with trap the firat time.
Dont get me wrong, sporting clays/5 stand are a blast!
I dont shoot trap enough to care about a handicap. I consistantly shoot 22-24 off the first position with my miraculously fitting Winchester Model 12. Thats good enough for me.
First few times shooting sporting clays shot consistant 14s. Used a buddys over/under. Humbling.
Picked up a Browning Buckmark .22 used yesterday and ran it through its paces today. Very nice shooter! Light trigger, good balance, near zero recoil and excellent cost per shot. Sent at least 300 rnds down range. Very accurate.
On a semi related note, I'll be selling off a Bersa Thunder 380 to pay for this one. Looks like I need to figure out how gunbroker works.
Quote from: DW on September 03, 2012, 05:34:45 PM
On a semi related note, I'll be selling off a Bersa Thunder 380 to pay for this one. Looks like I need to figure out how gunbroker works.
Lots of pics. Require payment via postal money order. Know your state laws.
Ok after constantly answering questions on my YT channel (The NFA Review Channel - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/fireman1291)) on the legalities of firearm silencers I figured I would just do a video on it! lol
More info has been added to the description below the video. If you see a typo or want me to add something please let me know.
I hope you enjoy the video. If you have a YT account leave a comment under the video. Thanks!
How to buy a silencer - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDkp4a_f5Rc#)
Quote from: rgramjet on August 31, 2012, 11:22:44 AM
How many did you hit per round the first day? I would bet you would have done better with trap the firat time.
Dont get me wrong, sporting clays/5 stand are a blast!
I dont shoot trap enough to care about a handicap. I consistantly shoot 22-24 off the first position with my miraculously fitting Winchester Model 12. Thats good enough for me.
First few times shooting sporting clays shot consistant 14s. Used a buddys over/under. Humbling.
I did better with the sporting clays than I did with the skeet. There were 3 birds per station. I missed on on the first station only hit one of two rabbits and missed two that went over head from behind me. All others were hits. I suck at skeet. 50% shooter there.
Quote from: Fireman1291 on September 06, 2012, 04:22:36 PM
Ok after constantly answering questions on my YT channel (The NFA Review Channel - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/fireman1291)) on the legalities of firearm silencers I figured I would just do a video on it! lol
More info has been added to the description below the video. If you see a typo or want me to add something please let me know.
I hope you enjoy the video. If you have a YT account leave a comment under the video. Thanks!
How to buy a silencer - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDkp4a_f5Rc#)
I watch your youtube videos all of the time. These videos helped me make up my mind to get a suppressor. Thanks!
Savage bolt action .22LR build update:
Base rifle is in hand
scope is mounted to the action
supressor is in hand
I have ordered the custom stock (thumbhole laminate) 8 week lead time
I still need:
trigger gaurd
stock hardware
bipod
stock finishing kit
(time and money)
I love the thumb hole stocks. I've never shot one but damn are they ergonomic
Quote from: ducrider45 on September 06, 2012, 06:16:38 PM
I watch your youtube videos all of the time. These videos helped me make up my mind to get a suppressor. Thanks!
Thanks!
I didn't watch the whole suppressor video since I've already been through the process, so I apologize if any of this is redundant....
Supposedly the ATF has hired temps to handle some of the clerical work and free up the examiners. However, apparently they have been kicking back trusts and forms for spacing and other minor discrepancies that they were previously signing off on.
I heard some had previously passed forms with intentions stating "Zombie Apocalypse," etc. I know this because some moron posted on our regional gun forum that his was kicked back for this, recently.
Anyway, Tony Rumore isn't taking on any more SBS builds for 2 years....http://kitup.military.com/2012/08/tromix-is-good-people.html#more-20297 (http://kitup.military.com/2012/08/tromix-is-good-people.html#more-20297)
we win!
2nd Annual Firefighters "Shoot a terrorist on 9/11" day! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVufcqtbtQ8#)
Good clean all American fun! [thumbsup]
Reminds me of last weekend at my buddy's ranch in west TX for the opening of dove season. Dove hunting was a little light so on Sunday we all spent the day at the stock tank shooting at the berm we built last year. The tank was dry from draught last year and we rented a small bulldozer and used my friend's Case tractor with a front end loader and box blade to clean out and enlarge the tank. We use all the extra dirt to build a proper shooting berm 12-15' high and a good 40' long.
Last Sunday was a full day of shooting. There were 10-12 shooters going in rotation for most of the day. I had ISPC cardboard on stands as well as Artnzen steel targets to plink at. One of the rat pack brought his supply of Tannerite and we damn sure had some fun with that! [thumbsup] [bacon] Nothing like good friends, holiday weekend in the country, guns, good food and drink, dove hunting and explosives... does it get any better? ;)
Quote from: Monsterlover on September 06, 2012, 06:57:29 PM
I love the thumb hole stocks. I've never shot one but damn are they ergonomic
You have to be careful, some are not well designed for it, and you're really stuck with one setup with it. MacMillan has some that are adjustable for grip angle (I think it was macmillan)
Quote from: ducatiz on September 12, 2012, 10:26:21 AM
You have to be careful, some are not well designed for it, and you're really stuck with one setup with it. MacMillan has some that are adjustable for grip angle (I think it was macmillan)
Its a laminate stock, Ill just carve it to fit. Dremmel is my friend. [thumbsup]
Quote from: ducrider45 on September 06, 2012, 06:55:32 PM
Savage bolt action .22LR build update:
Base rifle is in hand
scope is mounted to the action
supressor is in hand
I have ordered the custom stock (thumbhole laminate) 8 week lead time
I still need:
trigger gaurd
stock hardware
bipod
stock finishing kit
(time and money)
I have all of the small parts in hand now. Im still waiting on the custom stock. It should be here soon! I have not made up my mind on a bipod yet.
Just got an email "sale" notice from Natchez Shooters Supply. I get 1-2 a week. Today's was regarding .223 ammo. Holy shit! The bulk purchase price on a 1,000 round box of loose Federal XM193 and American Eagle ball ammo went up $100!!!! I thought $289-299 was high... damn, now it's $399!!! WTF??? Overnight it went up. Are they price gouging feeding off the panic of the impending election? No politics here, just talking ammo prices. ;)
The point here is that may finally push me to buy a dedicated .22LR AR platform that mimics my semi auto M4 ARs. Seems like everyone makes one these days but I have no personal first hand shooting experience with them. Heck, don't even have a .22LR AR conversion much less a full rifle.
Anyone out there have one? Any suggestions? I'm too lazy to wade through dozens of AR websites and company websites. I'd rather just ask the folks I trust on the DMF gun stuff thread. I'd like a M4 style flat top, that way I could throw on one of my Aimpoints or Reflex II red dots and plink away. No matter how much .22LR goes up it will always be a deal. [thumbsup]
Thanks ahead of time.
I have heard lots of good thing about the Nordic NC-22 Upper. You can get them from Nordic or from JP Rifles. Don't be suprised if they are hard to find though. As far as the dedicated 22LR ARs go, the S&W M&P 15-22 seems to be the most popular and the most reliable [thumbsup]
I've seen the S&W rifles but have never put my paws on one. Having one would also help my 16 year old learn the ARs while saving money on ammo. He has a Ruger model 77 in .223 that he uses for deer and hogs so the ARs in .223 aren't the problem. Just the ammo expense. As long as the manual functions of a .22LR AR mirrors that of a normal AR it would prove to be a beneficial training tool for him and a cost saver for me. [thumbsup]
Maybe this weekend (if I can find time away from his school's homecoming game, dance and date [roll]) I'll spend a little "me time" and hit a few gun shops looking for a S&W. I know it would get a lot of use. ;)
I've heard good things about the S&W...has a functioning BHO from what I hear. I still want to see the CMMG milspec .22- no shops have them locally.
Also decided I need a Keltec Sub 2000 Glock 17 as a truck gun. I guess I'll keep making the rounds for that also.
What do you like about the sub2000? The folding?
Yeah, that and I have plenty of mags and ammo for it. I've seen 2 pop up for sale locally (.40's) that have gone quickly.
Speaking of 9mm....almost done with my AR. Just need buffer/tube, charging handle, rail, optics...and 2 tax stamps.
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h286/CPrezioso/Screenshot2012-09-23at20332PM_zps58da9eac.png)
Quote from: stateprez on September 25, 2012, 07:26:01 PM
Speaking of 9mm....almost done with my AR. Just need buffer/tube, charging handle, rail, optics...and 2 tax stamps.
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h286/CPrezioso/Screenshot2012-09-23at20332PM_zps58da9eac.png)
Two? Why two?
Doesn't matter...
we don't do gun law
Quote from: ducpainter on September 26, 2012, 12:07:57 PM
Doesn't matter...
we don't do gun law
I was asking what features he was building that requires two stamps. Short barrel and happy switch can go under one.
I'm betting he's gonna add a can
Quote from: ducpainter on September 26, 2012, 12:18:47 PM
I'm betting he's gonna add a can
That would be a weird setup as ss 9mm can't push enough gas for an ar bolt
Unless its a non gas bolt. Even then its a heavy bolt. Probably too heavy .
Quote from: ducatiz on September 26, 2012, 12:21:42 PM
That would be a weird setup as ss 9mm can't push enough gas for an are bolt
Unless its a non gas bolt. Even then its a heavy bolt. Probably too heavy
shows you what I know
Quote from: ducpainter on September 26, 2012, 12:18:47 PM
I'm betting he's gonna add a can
Correct.
It's got a 9mm ramped bolt- so you can use a standard AR hammer, also. All of the purpose built 9mm's (RRA, Bushmaster, etc) are blowback. I haven't seen a DI 9mm.
The only issue I've heard is to use a 9mm or H3 buffer, although the AR guy at my local range said to start with an H and work up.....
Edit: I would gladly spend another $200 for a happy switch, if I could.
Quote from: stateprez on September 26, 2012, 07:35:11 PM
Correct.
It's got a 9mm ramped bolt- so you can use a standard AR hammer, also. All of the purpose built 9mm's (RRA, Bushmaster, etc) are blowback. I haven't seen a DI 9mm.
The only issue I've heard is to use a 9mm or H3 buffer, although the AR guy at my local range said to start with an H and work up.....
Edit: I would gladly spend another $200 for a happy switch, if I could.
Gotcha. You can't have a gas 9mm if you're going to run it with a can. The bolt will barely move. I've "heard" of someone making an ultralight bolt that was adapted from a Daewoo -- about half the weight -- with a lighter recoil spring, but never saw it. There just isn't enough gas to sap to move the bolt.
I have a shorty AR in 7.62 Tokarev which is blowback. Love it. No can, and if I want ss loads, I'll have to do it myself, but it really is satisfying to shoot. Tok is very hot and even with a 10" barrel it gets close to 1600 fps at the muzzle. They made it for both pistol and the PPS 16" barrel, so they had to split the difference in the powder -- it seems to like the 10" barrel most of all.
Quote from: ducatiz on September 26, 2012, 07:41:58 PM
Gotcha. You can't have a gas 9mm if you're going to run it with a can. The bolt will barely move. I've "heard" of someone making an ultralight bolt that was adapted from a Daewoo -- about half the weight -- with a lighter recoil spring, but never saw it. There just isn't enough gas to sap to move the bolt.
What would be the point, anyway? Cleaner, quieter? I wouldn't imagine it would improve reliability at least for semi-auto.
What's the recoil like on the 7.62? Close to 9mm +P?
Quote from: stateprez on September 26, 2012, 08:23:08 PM
What would be the point, anyway? Cleaner, quieter? I wouldn't imagine it would improve reliability at least for semi-auto.
What's the recoil like on the 7.62? Close to 9mm +P?
Well... with a gas system you can arguably tune the gas flow a bit, as on a FAL. Instead of designing a hard-built gas system, you make it so it saps the max amount of gas for pressure and then use something like the FAL gas plug which has 3 or 4 settings. Sort of an indirect rate of fire control in full auto.
It's not cleaner for sure esp with the AR DI system. Maybe quieter because youre sapping some of the muzzle gas off. But I think the main advantage is rate of fire control, if you design it that way.
It's hard to say because I've never fired a 9mm AR and haven't fired the Tok in a pistol. I had this shorty AR made up just for Tok ammo, and recoil is very manageable. It's pretty damn loud though, noticeable louder than pistols in 9mm or 40.
Interesting stuff. I guess when I find a f/a receiver for my Saiga, I can finally use the other gas setting....
I haven't posted to this thread for a while, so I figured I'd drop in and show you my new toys.
(http://i1173.photobucket.com/albums/r594/Adamm0621/Facebook/Guns/549110_3684457474103_291439708_n.jpg)
Beretta PX4 Storm, 40 S&W. I've had this gun for a while now, but I still love it.
(http://i1173.photobucket.com/albums/r594/Adamm0621/Facebook/Guns/325711_3684450393926_1601386672_o.jpg)
Taurus Judge Public Defender Polymer, 45 LC & .410 GA. This is my baby!!! I traded in my S&W 38 Special for this back in March.
(http://i1173.photobucket.com/albums/r594/Adamm0621/Facebook/Guns/459101_3242280699960_936306375_o.jpg)
Remington 887 NitroMag Tactical 12 GA Pump. It's a shitty picture, but the gun is great.
(http://i1173.photobucket.com/albums/r594/Adamm0621/Facebook/Guns/291349_3684462994241_1814620940_o.jpg)
(http://i1173.photobucket.com/albums/r594/Adamm0621/Facebook/Guns/620500_3684467274348_763453875_o.jpg)
Sig Sauer M400 SRP w/3x scope. The Sig was my latest purchase. I was hoping to build my own, but damn near everywhere is out of stock for kits. I ended up buying this one instead. The first picture is how it looked out of the box. The second picture was after I finished putting all of the Magpul "candy" on.
(http://i1173.photobucket.com/albums/r594/Adamm0621/Facebook/Guns/614821_3684477794611_1321352005_o.jpg)
The arsenal is complete!!! Zombie what??? Zombie PLEASE!!!
Quote from: stateprez on September 26, 2012, 08:47:19 PM
Interesting stuff. I guess when I find a f/a receiver for my Saiga, I can finally use the other gas setting....
Check out Tony Rumore's stuff at Tromix.
He used to do a lot of AK rifle builds, but now mostly does Saiga conversions. Lots of fun stuff.
(http://www.tromix.com/images/S178inchLrg3w.jpg)
Quote from: ducatiz on September 26, 2012, 09:14:11 PM
Check out Tony Rumore's stuff at Tromix.
He used to do a lot of AK rifle builds, but now mostly does Saiga conversions. Lots of fun stuff.
Yeah, he's backlogged 2 years...I think they all are, Arizona Armory, RJF. There's a sticky how-to thread on the Saiga forum about how to chop and crown barrel without a lathe, more specifically with a hacksaw and a dremel.
I abandoned mine- figured NFA wasn't a good idea for personal defense anyway (not to start that conversation).
With all do respect to the flounders ;D I think just stating NFA law facts should be OK. Just don't get into any heated discussions about gun laws. Saying you got a speeding ticket for 10mph over is one thing just don't start a pregnant dog session about traffic laws. Nate... correct me if I am wrong here. We all need to stay within the striped zone on that issue. [thumbsup]
This is a great non-moto/gun thread. Lots of good info from members. Let's keep it that way. [popcorn]
Quote from: fastwin on September 27, 2012, 09:36:18 AM
With all do respect to the flounders ;D I think just stating NFA law facts should be OK. Just don't get into any heated discussions about gun laws. Saying you got a speeding ticket for 10mph over is one thing just don't start a pregnant dog session about traffic laws. Nate... correct me if I am wrong here. We all need to stay within the striped zone on that issue. [thumbsup]
This is a great non-moto/gun thread. Lots of good info from members. Let's keep it that way. [popcorn]
If it stays at one statement it's fine.
The first question, or comment regarding that statement becomes discussion. It doesn't necessarily have to be negative or a 'pregnant dog session'. The first comment becomes the next...etc. It simply never does not elicit a response. If you notice, I did not comment about the poster mentioning two tax stamps. It was the subsequent question/comment that elicited my response.
In light of that my standard response is 'we just don't do it'. This is after all a moto forum and there are plenty of places on the net to discuss RKBA and gun law.
Keep in mind, and I think everyone that participates in this thread knows, I am not anti gun. Quite the contrary
I guess from my point of view, I like being able to ask questions and discuss things here because I have a familiarity with the people that participate in this thread and I know I'll get good answers if I ask a question.
The extent of my firearm knowledge doesn't go too far so this is a nice place to ask and learn.
The law related questions and discussions I have taken directly to PM with folks. But, as you know, PM is sooooo many more clicks to ask a question.
;D
;)
Yeah, I was more making a statement about public opinion with respect to NFA rather than law. I just like to err on the side of caution.
Long live the gun thread.
[thumbsup] ;) [popcorn]
Pretty neat how the gasses twist over on the left
(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/198708_491074780910751_1453842624_n.jpg)
I've always wanted a cotton candy gun
[laugh]
So I've finally got the green light by the decision maker to get a gun. I really only want to buy one gun and think I've found the one. I've searched but didn't see much on them so I'll ask.
Anyone have experience with the Springfield Xdm line? Local gun store is running a sale for $75 off of them. From the research i've done they seem to be very relieable and easy to shoot (and shoot well). They also come with a bunch of extras and I really won't have to buy much other than ammo. I'm planning on getting the 3.8 non-compact (not going to carry it) in 9mm. Really I'm only getting this for target shooting, some home defense, and to just have a gun in case the shit hits the fan. The 20 round capacity is very appealing to me.
I'm really new to gun owning so hopefully you guys can shed some light for me.
Sounds good to me. [thumbsup] Reserve $$$ for ammo and magazines. Guns don't run without "gas"... duh! [bang] Not going into politics here (no way) but I have advised all of my friends to buy ammo at whatever decent price they can find. It would probably be "easier" to pass ammo restriction laws than gun restriction laws. No further discussion please. Just stating my personal opinion. Let's leave it at that. ;)
Back on target... Springfield makes excellent firearms and 9mm is a great, easy to find and affordable round. What's not to like? [bacon] [beer]
In my house she is referred to as "she who must be obeyed"... that's a notch above the "decision maker". [laugh] [laugh]
Quote from: metallimonster on September 28, 2012, 07:53:31 AM
So I've finally got the green light by the decision maker to get a gun. I really only want to buy one gun and think I've found the one. I've searched but didn't see much on them so I'll ask.
Anyone have experience with the Springfield Xdm line? Local gun store is running a sale for $75 off of them. From the research i've done they seem to be very relieable and easy to shoot (and shoot well). They also come with a bunch of extras and I really won't have to buy much other than ammo. I'm planning on getting the 3.8 non-compact (not going to carry it) in 9mm. Really I'm only getting this for target shooting, some home defense, and to just have a gun in case the shit hits the fan. The 20 round capacity is very appealing to me.
I'm really new to gun owning so hopefully you guys can shed some light for me.
My bro in-law has one in 9mm- runs well. I like the backstrap safety. If your store/another local store has a range and rental program, go shoot a few- Glock, Sig, 1911, etc to get a feel for what is out there.
I recently got on the Glock bandwagon from HK, and Kimber before that. For 9mm target shooting only I'd jump on a G34 and be done with it. Parts and upgrades are relatively cheap and plentiful.
About to take my mother to demo and hopefully purchase her first....probably Ruger. Wife is the next recruit.
I love my Glock 34! I had a spare NIB 34 that I sold to one of my best friend's mid-20s sons. He loved my 34 and I cut him a great deal on it. I didn't need two 34s. He loves it too and now that he's married I'm thinking about getting him a set of Hennie Straight 8 night sights for a wedding present. That's what is on my 34 and I know his wife would approve! [thumbsup] [clap]
Not exactly a good carry gun (no more than a 5" 1911) but just a great all around gun, with Glock reliablity and affordable 9mm ammo to boot. ;)
Quote from: Monsterlover on September 28, 2012, 04:39:52 AM
Pretty neat how the gasses twist over on the left
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Not sure if it's the gas twisting the water or the bullet spinning, creating the lines in the bubble.
I have the regular XD (4inch) in 9mm. Its a great gun, and out of the 7 or 8 pistols I shot before purchasing it felt the best in my hands and shot the best. Go to a range and try a bunch out! I have not had any problems with my XD. You may also wanna check out www.xdtalk.com (http://www.xdtalk.com)
Quote from: Goat_Herder on September 28, 2012, 10:01:42 AM
Not sure if it's the gas twisting the water or the bullet spinning, creating the lines in the bubble.
it's the gas. the projectile only makes a small path, no different than if you shot into the water from the shore.
the shape is the same as the flame plume you'd see from some firearms.
Jinxed myself posting about the Sub 2k- one followed me home from the range today. Sights aren't the best, but they work. Had a 17rd mag with it also.
That's no jinx... that's a win! [thumbsup]
Quote from: stateprez on September 28, 2012, 12:58:31 PM
Jinxed myself posting about the Sub 2k- one followed me home from the range today. Sights aren't the best, but they work. Had a 17rd mag with it also.
I used to have an SKS as a truck gun. When the Keltec SU16 came out, I thought to swap to that. I'd rather have a rifle caliber gun for that.
Of course, now I have no truck, so I stow a Serbu in the back of the Golf.
Quote from: ducatiz on September 28, 2012, 03:35:48 PM
I used to have an SKS as a truck gun. When the Keltec SU16 came out, I thought to swap to that. I'd rather have a rifle caliber gun for that.
Of course, now I have no truck, so I stow a Serbu in the back of the Golf.
Which Serbu do you have? Super Shorty?
Hickok must read the Gun Thread...posted a 7.62 Tok Video while we were talking about it:
Tokarev 7.62 x 25 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQtbNzyO0cE&feature=plcp#)
Quote from: stateprez on September 28, 2012, 09:51:30 PM
Which Serbu do you have? Super Shorty?
Hickok must read the Gun Thread...posted a 7.62 Tok Video while we were talking about it:
Tokarev 7.62 x 25 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQtbNzyO0cE&feature=plcp#)
No, it's a 14" entry type. THey used to have several and now just that super shorty thing, which is useless unless you use minishells.
Quote from: Monsterlover on September 28, 2012, 04:39:52 AM
Pretty neat how the gasses twist over on the left
(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/198708_491074780910751_1453842624_n.jpg)
now with video:
http://www.geekologie.com/2012/10/what-it-looks-when-you-shoot-a-gun-under.php (http://www.geekologie.com/2012/10/what-it-looks-when-you-shoot-a-gun-under.php)
Quote from: derby on October 01, 2012, 07:59:57 AM
now with video:
http://www.geekologie.com/2012/10/what-it-looks-when-you-shoot-a-gun-under.php (http://www.geekologie.com/2012/10/what-it-looks-when-you-shoot-a-gun-under.php)
Comments LOL
Quote
BillGatesIsYourDaddy • 32 minutes ago
so the bullet only travels about 3 feet out. get someone to dress like Superman and have them stand in front of it next time.
So thanks for the imput guys. You basically confirmed what I already knew.
I went after work Friday and picked up my new friend.
XDM 3.8 9mm
Didn't get to shoot it this weekend but will for sure next. I'll let you know how it goes.
Quote from: derby on October 01, 2012, 07:59:57 AM
now with video:
http://www.geekologie.com/2012/10/what-it-looks-when-you-shoot-a-gun-under.php (http://www.geekologie.com/2012/10/what-it-looks-when-you-shoot-a-gun-under.php)
And more video (which I'm trying to figure out how to use with my math class):
High Speed Video of Pistols Underwater - Smarter Every Day 19 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eUlpPY96Ok&feature=youtu.be#)
Quote from: 1.21GW on August 28, 2012, 08:37:07 AM
I'm not so much as gun guy as someone who is fascinated by the potential of 3D printing. Anyway, came across this and thought it germane to this thread. As the technology develops further and amateur enthusiasts get involved, it could lead to some cool stuff.
http://www.businessinsider.com/it-is-now-possible-to-download-and-3d-print-a-working-ar-15-assault-rifle-2012-8 (http://www.businessinsider.com/it-is-now-possible-to-download-and-3d-print-a-working-ar-15-assault-rifle-2012-8)
http://www.inc.com/erik-sherman/3d-printer-stops-diy-guns.html (http://www.inc.com/erik-sherman/3d-printer-stops-diy-guns.html)
I can no longer post gun stuff in the gun stuff forum as it is too gun stuff related. [laugh] make the beast with two backs THIS FORUM AND ITS MICRO MANAGING MOD! IM OUT! [beer]
Go ahead and delete this post [roll] What a crock.
I found an SKS AK today at the local gun shop for just over $400. The only thing about it, someone put something on it at the whole outside is tacky/sticky. Anyone know what might be on it? It looks a lot older than the CIA branded AKs right beside it.
JM
Cosmoline?
Quote from: Fireman1291 on October 02, 2012, 03:14:19 PM
I can no longer post gun stuff in the gun stuff forum as it is too gun stuff related. [laugh] make the beast with two backs THIS FORUM AND ITS MICRO MANAGING MOD! IM OUT! [beer]
Go ahead and delete this post [roll] What a crock.
angry much?
Quote from: the_Journeyman on October 02, 2012, 03:52:27 PM
I found an SKS AK today at the local gun shop for just over $400. The only thing about it, someone put something on it at the whole outside is tacky/sticky. Anyone know what might be on it? It looks a lot older than the CIA branded AKs right beside it.
JM
Hard to say, but I'm sure you could clean it off.
Quote from: Monsterlover on October 02, 2012, 03:53:43 PM
Cosmoline?
Not sure, I've heard of it, but haven't encountered the stuff before.
Quote from: kopfjäger on October 02, 2012, 04:08:52 PM
Hard to say, but I'm sure you could clean it off.
It seems like a decent gun for the money, so that was my exact thought. Buy it and clean it good.
JM
Quote from: Fireman1291 on October 02, 2012, 03:14:19 PM
I can no longer post gun stuff in the gun stuff forum as it is too gun stuff related. [laugh] make the beast with two backs THIS FORUM AND ITS MICRO MANAGING MOD! IM OUT! [beer]
Go ahead and delete this post [roll] What a crock.
Huh? Did I miss something? ???
Quote from: Fireman1291 on October 02, 2012, 03:14:19 PM
I can no longer post gun stuff in the gun stuff forum as it is too gun stuff related. [laugh] make the beast with two backs THIS FORUM AND ITS MICRO MANAGING MOD! IM OUT! [beer]
Go ahead and delete this post [roll] What a crock.
With all the smiling faces...
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Quote from: the_Journeyman on October 02, 2012, 04:35:34 PM
Not sure, I've heard of it, but haven't encountered the stuff before.
It seems like a decent gun for the money, so that was my exact thought. Buy it and clean it good.
JM
A lot of the combloc guns come packed in it. I used to stick the stock in the dishwasher to steam it off.
No yuck in the dishwasher after?
Quote from: Monsterlover on October 02, 2012, 06:25:08 PM
No yuck in the dishwasher after?
Run it a few times empty if any left It's just grease and dissolves pretty well with regular dw detergent. You'll have to refinish the stock too if it's one of the old ones unless you don't mined the water stained look for a while. I usually just sand it and use tung oil.
I mean, you don't put it in without getting as much off as you can first. Scrape it, etc.
The big problem with cosmo and wood stocks is that they absorb so much of it. It's funny with a AK or SKS when the barrel starts to glow a bit and the stock starts smoking -- the cosmo is cooking out.
That just makes it more water proof when the stock takes on petrol products like that :)
Quote from: ducatiz on October 02, 2012, 05:16:38 PM
A lot of the combloc guns come packed in it. I used to stick the stock in the dishwasher to steam it off.
@ Journeyman....You could also leave the stock outside under direct sunlight, the sun will heat the stock enough to cause the cosmo to seep out then just wipe it clean with a towel periodically.
It will take a few hours to get it all out but I did it with my Mosin and it worked perfectly.
Quote from: The Bearded Duc on October 02, 2012, 09:35:34 PM
@ Journeyman....You could also leave the stock outside under direct sunlight, the sun will heat the stock enough to cause the cosmo to seep out then just wipe it clean with a towel periodically.
It will take a few hours to get it all out but I did it with my Mosin and it worked perfectly.
It really depends on how much cosmo there is. The recent Mosin imports were all re-aresenaled guns and they cleaned the cosmo off.
Years ago I got a Yugo Mauser -- came to me wrapped in paper and the barrel was plugged with cosmo. It came out in about 2 feet like toothpaste and under the barrel was another few lbs. of it. They literally soaked them in it -- warmed it up, dunked them in a barrel of liquid cosmo and then wrapped in apaper like a fish.
So your mileage may vary. I got a Yugo SKS that was the same deal.
I took a good look over it today. COATED in cosmo. The bolt, when fully retracted slowly slides forward into position. Some cleaning will be required it looks like. Otherwise, it's a really solid piece.
JM
Quote from: the_Journeyman on October 03, 2012, 03:39:44 PM
I took a good look over it today. COATED in cosmo. The bolt, when fully retracted slowly slides forward into position. Some cleaning will be required it looks like. Otherwise, it's a really solid piece.
JM
probably a good idea to disassemble the whole thing. you can use brake parts cleaner on the metal, that's the quickest and cheapest.
Yea, I was already looking on info about breakdown and cleaning. It looks to be fairly simple overall so it might find its way to my house!
JM
Quote from: the_Journeyman on October 03, 2012, 03:54:14 PM
Yea, I was already looking on info about breakdown and cleaning. It looks to be fairly simple overall so it might find its way to my house!
JM
You said it was an SKS AK -- what does that mean? Is it an SKS or an AK?
Some of the SKS use AK mags, they are called "SKS D".. they are purely commercial, never used in any military.
There used to be a great SKS website called Simonov.org, but it's long gone. he had a registry of all the russian and chinese factories.
It's a SKS. It was racked with a bunch of AKs and I "assumed" it was an AK and saw the SKS marking on the tag, and albeit wrongly thought it was an AK with SKS being the brand. It just has the basic 10 round setup, so I don't think it's a D.
JM
Quote from: the_Journeyman on October 03, 2012, 04:00:10 PM
It's a SKS. It was racked with a bunch of AKs and I "assumed" it was an AK and saw the SKS marking on the tag, and albeit wrongly thought it was an AK with SKS being the brand. It just has the basic 10 round setup, so I don't think it's a D.
JM
I love the belly mag on the Sks. You don't need more for recreational shooting. Some people put a butt pad on to increase lop because its made for tiny Europeans.
Is it the standard model or carbine? I have a couple of each. Love em.
Hard to tell, I don't know a ton about them. I think it would be the standard model since it's noticeably longer than the AKs it was racked with and most of the carbines racked nearby.
JM
45-70 round, how large of a game can it take down. After the shotgun,I want some marlin lever action fun..
Bison.
Quote from: cokey on October 04, 2012, 06:57:23 AM
45-70 round, how large of a game can it take down. After the shotgun,I want some marlin lever action fun..
Quote from: zach on October 04, 2012, 06:59:06 AM
Bison.
I must amend that statement. Bison would be the correct answer for native animals to the US. The 45/70 has been used to take down the big 5 in Africa; elephant, rhino, hippo, cape buffalo, and lion.
What's the consensus on the best pocket 9 or 380 that a poor painter can afford?
Find one that fits your paw and your price range and has a good name.
I've had zero issues with my Ruger SR9C and probably have 1000 rounds of home loads through it. After I found a load that would cycle the slide ok and went to a softer primer I've had no fte, no ftf, no squibs just holes in paper and smoke in the air.
Quote from: ducpainter on October 04, 2012, 01:52:00 PM
What's the consensus on the best pocket 9 or 380 that a poor painter can afford?
i never come in the gun thread
but i noticed this post - go figure
why do you need a new gun?
i've seen your wife's musket ;D
Quote from: TiNi on October 04, 2012, 01:57:46 PM
i never come in the gun thread
but i noticed this post - go figure
why do you need a new gun?
i've seen your wife's musket ;D
Everyone
needs a new gun. [laugh]
That musket won't fit inside my truck never mind in a pocket. :P
Quote from: ducpainter on October 04, 2012, 02:07:44 PM
Everyone needs a new gun. [laugh]
That musket won't fit inside my truck never mind in a pocket. :P
[laugh] get bigger pockets ;D
Quote from: TiNi on October 04, 2012, 02:08:45 PM
[laugh] get bigger pockets ;D
Then I can skip the pocket pistol part and go right to a 1911. ;)
Quote from: zach on October 04, 2012, 12:40:01 PM
I must amend that statement. Bison would be the correct answer for native animals to the US. The 45/70 has been used to take down the big 5 in Africa; elephant, rhino, hippo, cape buffalo, and lion.
Good... sasquatch better leave my slimjim alone then..
Quote from: ducpainter on October 04, 2012, 02:10:14 PM
Then I can skip the pocket pistol part and go right to a 1911. ;)
Yes.
Quote from: ducpainter on October 04, 2012, 01:52:00 PM
What's the consensus on the best pocket 9 or 380 that a poor painter can afford?
KelTec P3AT. It can handle +P ammo, but don't use that for practice. They are no nonsense pistols.
The KelTec PF9 is larger but is equally good, price for performance.
I have carried a 3AT since they started making them and had zero issues. At least 4-5 dozen boxes of ammo at the range.
The 380 is not the best round, but with +P you can approximate a regular 9mm and the main advantage is the ease of carry and concealment -- you cannot beat the size.
I'll sell you a Sig 220 for a good price.
Quote from: DRKWNG on October 04, 2012, 03:18:28 PM
I'll sell you a Sig 220 for a good price.
Thanks...but...
not really what I'm looking for.
+1 on the P3AT. Not fun to shoot, but mine has never had a problem.
I have a molded kydex pocket holster for it- pretty much impossible to print even with light slacks.
Not normally considered cheap, but we picked up a Sig P238 combo package earlier this year for $500. After selling the crap holster that came with it, the Sig laser, and the hogue grip, we are in it for about $380 brand new! Hard to beat that deal if you can find it.
Quote from: DW on October 04, 2012, 03:54:32 PM
Not normally considered cheap, but we picked up a Sig P238 combo package earlier this year for $500. After selling the crap holster that came with it, the Sig laser, and the hogue grip, we are in it for about $380 brand new! Hard to beat that deal if you can find it.
Nice price, but wasn't thinking SAO for a pocket gun.
Not completely ruled out though if I can find a deal.
BTW...great info here...
http://www.southernoutdoorlife.com/mouseguns/index.htm (http://www.southernoutdoorlife.com/mouseguns/index.htm)
http://www.southernoutdoorlife.com/mouseguns/PocketAutoComparison.pdf (http://www.southernoutdoorlife.com/mouseguns/PocketAutoComparison.pdf)
Quote from: ducpainter on October 04, 2012, 01:52:00 PM
What's the consensus on the best pocket 9 or 380 that a poor painter can afford?
Ruger LCP
What he said^! [thumbsup] I have a .32 and .380 Kel-Tec... they work great! Don't ask me why I bought the Ruger but I did. It is also awesome for a mouse gun. I don't think you can go wrong with either brand if that's what you want.
I don't own a 9mm mouse gun. Closest I have to one is a Glock 26. But for concealabilty you cannot beat the Ruger or Kel-Tec mini autos. Then again I am a huge fan of the S&W J frame 642s. [thumbsup]
I've fired both the LCP and LC9
They both worked.
They're basically copies of the Kel Tec
The KelTec is considerably less $
The KelTec and Ruger 9's are both larger than some of the other offerings.
They're also considerably less money.
The LC9 just barely fits in the front pocket of Carhartt's without the grip showing.
If your a fan of snub nosed wheel-guns.
http://www.charterfirearms.com/products/Charter_Bulldog_14420.asp (http://www.charterfirearms.com/products/Charter_Bulldog_14420.asp)
44 special throws a goodly sized chunk of lead.
Quote from: ducpainter on October 04, 2012, 01:52:00 PM
What's the consensus on the best pocket 9 or 380 that a poor painter can afford?
My next purchase is going to be some variant of HK P7. Not the cheapest, but I've seen some nice shooters go for around 400-500 ish. Plus I just think they are cool.
You could get this if you could find one. A P7K3
K= short 3 it came with three different caliber barrels 9mm, .32,and 22lr [thumbsup]
(http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac51/rllout/43B0F133-0346-4B6D-AEC0-CC3E7A175FA6-2016-00000255AA9B14C5.jpg)
Looks cool, but at 6.5 inches won't fit in any of my pockets.
Quote from: DucNaked on October 04, 2012, 05:21:46 PM
My next purchase is going to be some variant of HK P7. Not the cheapest, but I've seen some nice shooters go for around 400-500 ish. Plus I just think they are cool.
Those things are clunky as make the beast with two backs and that grip safety is just stoopid. ;)
Quote from: kopfjäger on October 04, 2012, 05:30:14 PM
Those things are clunky as make the beast with two backs and that grip safety is just stoopid. ;)
Maybe a little clunky, but I think it's a fine looking pistol. [drool]
(http://home.comcast.net/~jclewis19/pwpimages/JEN_3638.jpg)
(http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/6920/kfhkp7m8md5.jpg)
The thing on the grip cocks it, so not really a safety.
Sold a local DMF buddy a NIB HK P7M8 last year. Still have 1 P7M8 and 2 P7M13s. The 13s are stupid wide like a Glock 20/21. But I do like my P7M8... had it and several mags hard chromed and added night sights several years ago. It's a keeper. [thumbsup]
Quote from: DucNaked on October 04, 2012, 06:16:21 PM
The thing on the grip cocks it, so not really a safety.
Yeah, that's it. Even more stoopid. :D
Quote from: kopfjäger on October 04, 2012, 04:33:15 PM
Ruger LCP
The LCP is a direct knock-off of the KelTec 3AT with the addition of a slide lock.
THey are also finished much nicer, but I am not sure that matters for a carry gun. The KT is much cheaper and if it matters, one can get a "fluff and buff" on the slide which makes it even better for carry and makes it a little nicer looking.
Quote from: ducatiz on October 04, 2012, 07:28:15 PM
The LCP is a direct knock-off of the KelTec 3AT with the addition of a slide lock.
I hadn't noticed that. :D
Bud's has the grey Keltec for $248 on overstock....http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/884/products_id/46617/Overstock+Guns/Kel-Tec%20380%206RD%20BLUE/GRAY%20GRIP/ (http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/884/products_id/46617/Overstock+Guns/Kel-Tec%20380%206RD%20BLUE/GRAY%20GRIP/)
Good price...
I have a friend that works at a shop that typically stocks the KelTecs.
I'll wait to hear back from him on a number before I jump on anything. By the time I pay shipping and transfer fees I might be able to get the same basic deal.
I'm not completely convinced I want the 380 yet anyway.
I've fired both versions in Ruger (380 and 9) and if I can get the right deal on a 9 in the right size I'd prefer to go that route. I realize the 9 will be just shy of an inch bigger in a couple of directions.
The smallest 9 in that class is the Kahr P9 (also CW9).. They make a micro version called the PM9 (CM9) but they are just too small to use.
With 9mm you end up with about 1/4" more width no matter which brand.
I was looking at the Beretta Nano as a possible replacement for my P3AT. I think it's +P rated like the Kahr, a little smaller than the Ruger.
I'd love a Kimber Solo, but I have a feeling I'd feel guilty tossing around a gun that expensive....like I did with my Ultra Tac.
Quote from: ducatiz on October 05, 2012, 09:34:26 AM
The smallest 9 in that class is the Kahr P9 (also CW9).. They make a micro version called the PM9 (CM9) but they are just too small to use.
With 9mm you end up with about 1/4" more width no matter which brand.
There are several smaller than the Kahr...if you're on a champagne and caviar budget.
The Boberg XR9 and the Rorhrbaugh R9 are both significantly shorter and thinner...as thin as the Seecamp in .32. They're not much different in height. Problem is they're ~$1000 and up...remember the poor painter part of this exercise? ;D
The Kimber and Sig are smaller too, but not much, and pricey also.
If I can find a Kahr used I'd consider it depending on price.
I can't afford to buy a problem regardless of manufacturer and there's always that chance especially used.
Most likely I'll end up with a KelTec or Ruger.
I love my keltec. Zero issues.
Yeah .380 is no match for a good 9mm HP defense round but it's better than spit, a knife and bad language! ;) I have had zero feed or eject issues with the Ruger or Kel-Tec... and that includes my older .32 cal Kel-Tec. Great little pocket guns. Had more trouble with my old Seecamp and it cost a lot more than my other mouse guns. Not to get ugly here but I'd shoot a bad guy with a mouse gun than try and stab him with a tactical folder in times of need. Just sayin'... [thumbsup]
I've had no trigger time on any Kahrs but I have heard good things about them.
I know Michael Tinney from back in the day when he owned and sold Gun List to open Cheaper than Dirt. Between the Gun List sale and CTD he was the sole Norinco importer. No telling how many containers he imported! At local gun shows he would sell a Norinco SKS and a 1,200 rnd case of AK ammo for $200!!! I never cashed in on that deal but I did buy a shit load of Norinco ammo before the import got shut down. [thumbsup]
It's claimed that a .380 in your pocket is better than 200 AK's at home in the safe.
Quote from: ducpainter on October 05, 2012, 05:05:40 PM
It's claimed that a .380 in your pocket is better than 200 AK's at home in the safe.
;) [drink]
Quote from: ducpainter on October 05, 2012, 05:05:40 PM
It's claimed that a .380 in your pocket is better than 200 AK's at home in the safe.
you know, photographers say something similar about cameras.
Quote from: derby on October 05, 2012, 05:23:17 PM
you know, photographers say something similar about cameras.
Doesn't matter what you're up to...
it's all in the timing. ;)
I remember when CTD really was CTD!
Timing, circumstance, equipment and mindset are what it's all about. Heck, under the right conditions a broom stick or baseball bat will do. Lots of people have fought off bear attacks with nothing other than attitude and their fists. Having a firestick of any caliber helps if you know how to use it and are determined not to lose. ;)
AR fans.
Just put a J P spring kit in a Ruger SR 556.
[thumbsup]
Turned it from a "typical ruger" trigger, 8 lbs + and gravlely into a decent 4 lb trigger. (that and a few swipes with a hard arkansas stone, + a little tetra-lube grease)
Has anyone shot a Smith & Wesson M & P shield? I am thinking of getting one for a new CCW. But none of the shops in my area have one I can handle or test. If so how was the trigger pull on it? It sounds a little on the light side for a double action only in the spec sheet but you never know until you work the weapon. I like to carry with a round in the chamber & no saftey set so if I have to use it, the weapon is ready to go. My current carry weapon is a Sig 229, I love it but it is a little on the big & heavy side for a every day carry weapon.
Quote from: sno_duc on October 07, 2012, 05:19:45 PM
AR fans.
Just put a J P spring kit in a Ruger SR 556.
[thumbsup]
Turned it from a "typical ruger" trigger, 8 lbs + and gravlely into a decent 4 lb trigger. (that and a few swipes with a hard arkansas stone, + a little tetra-lube grease)
Ain't nothin' better than a good trigger. It can turn a POS firearm into a favorite! [thumbsup] Glad the mods made you happy. [bacon] [popcorn]
Quote from: fastwin on October 09, 2012, 12:03:43 PM
Ain't nothin' better than a good trigger. It can turn a POS firearm into a favorite! [thumbsup] Glad the mods made you happy. [bacon] [popcorn]
I had the same feeling when I had a trigger fix on a PAC 1911 I have. I bought it for $220 new, and it proved to be defective, the safety would drop when you pulled the trigger while the safety was ok. I couldn't return it, it was too late.
I dropped it at a smith that I knew and he basically threw out the old sear and hammer parts and put in some USGI parts with some massaging. The gun was physically beautiful, and with that fix, it was perfect and now I've had it for 10+ years with no issues.
Quote from: ducatiz on September 26, 2012, 07:41:58 PM
Gotcha. You can't have a gas 9mm if you're going to run it with a can. The bolt will barely move. I've "heard" of someone making an ultralight bolt that was adapted from a Daewoo -- about half the weight -- with a lighter recoil spring, but never saw it. There just isn't enough gas to sap to move the bolt.
I have a shorty AR in 7.62 Tokarev which is blowback. Love it. No can, and if I want ss loads, I'll have to do it myself, but it really is satisfying to shoot. Tok is very hot and even with a 10" barrel it gets close to 1600 fps at the muzzle. They made it for both pistol and the PPS 16" barrel, so they had to split the difference in the powder -- it seems to like the 10" barrel most of all.
This is why I'm building my suppressed 9mm SBR(5.5") out of a JRC (Just Right Carbine) rifle.
Quote from: ducrider45 on October 10, 2012, 07:57:09 AM
This is why I'm building my suppressed 9mm SBR(5.5") out of a JRC (Just Right Carbine) rifle.
It might be cheaper to use AR components to make a blowback. It's pretty easy to do. The lower remains the same and since you're registering that lower as an SBR, you can register it with a 7" barrel and "multicaliber" and then slap a regular AR upper on it anytime you like.
All you need for a blowback AR is a modified upper.
Quote from: ducatiz on October 10, 2012, 08:25:02 AM
you can register it with a 7" barrel and "multicaliber" and then slap a regular AR upper on it anytime you like.
I'm pretty sure you can't do this anymore. You have to specify a caliber on the Form 1, or they will kick it back. Once it's approved you can swap any caliber/length upper on the SBR, as long as you can return it to the specified caliber/barrel length.
So basically, you always have to have the documented configuration available. I had my broker check on it for my .22/.300 BLK next project.
My .22 can is in- going to pick it up in the AM!
Yahoo for .22lr cans! [thumbsup] If I ever get another Class III toy it will be a .22lr canned Ruger 1022 or MKII. ;D
Quote from: stateprez on October 10, 2012, 02:35:35 PM
I'm pretty sure you can't do this anymore. You have to specify a caliber on the Form 1, or they will kick it back. Once it's approved you can swap any caliber/length upper on the SBR, as long as you can return it to the specified caliber/barrel length.
So basically, you always have to have the documented configuration available. I had my broker check on it for my .22/.300 BLK next project.
My .22 can is in- going to pick it up in the AM!
Interesting. Can you list more than one? Its been a few years for me. I wonder if one can list a diameter like .30.
Quote from: ducatiz on October 10, 2012, 03:19:00 PM
Interesting. Can you list more than one? Its been a few years for me. I wonder if one can list a diameter like .30.
For a Form 1 my understanding is that you can only list one caliber. I don't know what would constitute and what wouldn't- ie if you put ".XX MULTI," I'm guessing they'd bounce it. You can put whatever barrel length, or OAL you want, but those would have to be numerical.
We called the examiner for my state to check on my OAL- We told him we subtracted the difference in barrel lengths for a stock Colt Carbine to the 5" I'm using. He said that was fine, so they know they are approving speculated dimensions.
Like I said before, some people were previously approved with "Zombie Apocalypse" and crap listed under the "Purpose," which are now getting bounced.
Enough with the gun law please.
Thanks.
Quote from: ducpainter on October 11, 2012, 04:12:56 AM
Enough with the gun law please.
Thanks.
I feel that this is more of a discussion about regulations and process, not law. How to fill out a form is a process. If anything comes of this, it will be the ability to ask good questions when the time comes. This is very helpful. I'm in the process of trying to figure out these rules now. I have a multi-caliber project. Now I know to ask the proper authority a very specific question when I'm filling out my paperwork.
Feel free to shoot me a PM if you have any questions- my dealer is a great help. I can put you in touch with him also.
I got to line up my SBR build to check the rail length....I think I'm going to do a 7" Troy TRX Rail. That way when I'm not using the suppressor I can put a 3.3" Noveske KX3 flash hider on and have about 1" exposed past the rail.
Teaser.....my fixed barrel mount isn't in, so I couldn't mount it.
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h286/CPrezioso/photo2_zps39527a77.jpg)
Quote from: ducatiz on October 10, 2012, 08:25:02 AM
It might be cheaper to use AR components to make a blowback. It's pretty easy to do. The lower remains the same and since you're registering that lower as an SBR, you can register it with a 7" barrel and "multicaliber" and then slap a regular AR upper on it anytime you like.
All you need for a blowback AR is a modified upper.
JRC's can be found between $550 and $700. I also like the controls better than the AR controls. They seem to be a bit more natural for me. JRC uses Glock mags as well. I will have the ability to swap it over to 40 S&W and 45ACP from 9mm. This will give me what Im looking for.
Quote from: ducrider45 on October 11, 2012, 08:22:46 AM
I feel that this is more of a discussion about regulations and process, not law. How to fill out a form is a process. If anything comes of this, it will be the ability to ask good questions when the time comes. This is very helpful. I'm in the process of trying to figure out these rules now. I have a multi-caliber project. Now I know to ask the proper authority a very specific question when I'm filling out my paperwork.
Regs and process are part of the law. We just don't do that here.
You know who the folks are that are familiar with the process.
Take it to pm please.
Yeppers. What he said^. ;)
I'm as guilty as anyone speaking about gun law. Shit, I've almost cluster bombed my own thread. PM your heart out. Just no gun law/rules on the thread... just gun stuff. Thank you. ;D
Always a good reminder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et33bbA0GeM&feature=youtube_gdata_player (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et33bbA0GeM&feature=youtube_gdata_player)
Quote from: cokey on October 13, 2012, 07:01:57 PM
Always a good reminder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et33bbA0GeM&feature=youtube_gdata_player (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et33bbA0GeM&feature=youtube_gdata_player)
Yes it is!
Good one. ;) Just like some folks should never ride motorcyles there are just as many (if not more) that should never handle guns.
The only close calls that I have ever had were:
Someone tripping and the shotgun went off when it hit the ground. The safety was on, the sear had let go on impact. The gun had no business being loaded at the time though.
One other was a very dirty rental gun at an indoor range. I got two light primer strikes on a .45ACP that resulted in a FTF. I did all the right things. I kept the gun pointed down range dropped the mag and called the range master over to clear the gun. He instructed me to set it down after about 1 minute. It went off as soon as i let go of it. He test fired it and gave it a clean bill of health. It happened again just a few minutes latter. This time the round went off as the range master cleared the gun. We were all hit by the splatter as the round hit the lane divider.
The last time I had a close call was also at an indoor range. I was hit in the chest with a large chunk of splatter from an ill timed cylinder on a wheelgun. I thought that I had been shot! It hit me very hard and it burned! The lead did not break the skin.
Quote from: ducrider45 on September 06, 2012, 06:55:32 PM
Savage bolt action .22LR build update:
Base rifle is in hand
scope is mounted to the action
supressor is in hand
I have ordered the custom stock (thumbhole laminate) 8 week lead time
I still need:trigger gaurd
stock hardware
bipod
stock finishing kit
(time and money)
UPDATE:
Im just waiting on the stock to show up now. All other parts are waiting on a shelf at my house. I think that I might start my 10-22 build as well.
Quote from: ducrider45 on October 22, 2012, 07:34:23 AM
The only close calls that I have ever had were:
I'm the guilty recipient of a Scope Kiss about three years ago, from a .270 magnum on an extreme uphill shot (still had a very solid backstop, however, so I wasn't shooting up & over a ridge) that made it hard to shoulder the rifle as I should have.
Worse, I missed. >:(
I have been having a frustrating issue with my Glock 27. It occasionally stops 1 or 2 mm out of battery resulting in a light, off centered primer strike and a misfire. I thought at first it might be the result of a worn recoil spring, so I replaced it. No improvement. In fact, it got worse. I had three misfires out of 100 rnds the other day.
I finally noticed that the guide rod is dropping out of its slot in the barrel and sagging down until it hits the frame. Any ideas? I'll be dropping it off with my local gunsmith next week, but I'm getting really frustrated.
No idea. I have several Glocks including the mini 26s and 27s. Gunsmith is the way to go... that is if they are well versed in G guns. Good luck with that. I've never had that problem. Stupid question: tried different ammo? Just a thought...
i've read of odd ejection patterns/failures to eject on gen3 and gen4 glocks built in the last two years, allegedly due to a changed extractor part.
reports seem to see the issue pop up around the 1000 round mark.
Regarding ammo: it's all been new production. From federal, Remington, and Winchester. It does seem much worse with the Remington, but does it with everything.
It is a gen three that was manufactured in December 08. I'm pretty much to the point with it that I'm going to send it through an armorer for a refurb and then just sell it. Probably as soon as I can actually track down something to replace it with. May go with a Sig 938 or a Shield if I can find one. Pretty frustrated because I do like the gun and shoot it well, but not at all impressed when it doesn't go bang.
chamber brush. I feel you might have some buildup.
Quote from: DW on October 23, 2012, 06:10:48 AM
I finally noticed that the guide rod is dropping out of its slot in the barrel and sagging down until it hits the frame. Any ideas? I'll be dropping it off with my local gunsmith next week, but I'm getting really frustrated.
Make sure the guide rod is on the middle step. Also +1 on ammo.
My boy, training some folks out on the wrong coast.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g5Jb6NFlfjA (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g5Jb6NFlfjA)
Has he been going back and forth between Glock and M&P?
Quote from: DRKWNG on October 24, 2012, 06:59:05 PM
Has he been going back and forth between Glock and M&P?
Yeah, he runs one for awhile then the other.
How often do you guys shoot your SD ammo? With the cost of the stuff I only buy about 2 boxes a year (40 rounds). I shoot a full mag to make sure my pistol functions with it and that's about it. When I go to the range, I eject my SD mag and insert one with cheaper range amo. My first shot of every range session is my one chambered SD round followed by cheap stuff.
At the end of my session I rotate my SD rounds to a different mag. Insert mag, chamber a round, eject mag and top it off.
What do you guys do?
Quote from: DucNaked on November 04, 2012, 03:38:47 PM
How often do you guys shoot your SD ammo? With the cost of the stuff I only buy about 2 boxes a year (40 rounds). I shoot a full mag to make sure my pistol functions with it and that's about it. When I go to the range, I eject my SD mag and insert one with cheaper range amo. My first shot of every range session is my one chambered SD round followed by cheap stuff.
At the end of my session I rotate my SD rounds to a different mag. Insert mag, chamber a round, eject mag and top it off.
What do you guys do?
I carry the gun in, and shoot it just as it has been riding on my hip. Testing it that way gives you confidence that it will shoot when needed. I only run one mag through like that, then switch over to cheap stuff. Ten rounds of good ammo isn't expensive for the piece of mind it gives.
Oh, and I have found issues using that method that caused jams. I have been able to adapt and prevent those issues from creating a problem if I really needed the gun.
Quote from: DW on November 04, 2012, 04:38:41 PM
Oh, and I have found issues using that method that caused jams. I have been able to adapt and prevent those issues from creating a problem if I really needed the gun.
Which method?
I agree, with the confidence part and if I had failures I'd change my method. I'm approaching 2500 rounds with my CCW, shooting as I described with no failures.
I guess I'm trying to justify to myself if it's worth it to send 20 SD rounds down range when I can put 100 down for the same price.
Shooting the gun as carried, we have experienced mis-feeds with my wife's pistol. It turned out that the constant chambering and unchambering was causing ammo issues. We now leave it chambered unless we have to empty it for some reason and it seems to be fine.
Also, as pointed out earlier, I only run the one mag through of expensive stuff. For my gun, that is 10 rnds. I have three mags that are kept loaded. Every third trip to the range, they get refreshed.
Switching gears though, I'm still having occasional misfires on my Glock. Went to the range yesterday and had two misfires in 150 rounds. I'll be getting rid of it later this winter. Tired of dealing with it.
My CCW is a wheel gun. I remove the SD ammo. When I carried a 1911 I would always shoot the chambered round. In my semi-auto's; due to compression issues with chambering a round multiple times, I always shot the chambered round and then switched to range ammo.
As this discussion goes, I personally think it's a good idea to spend some old self defense ammo down range. If it's been loaded in an auto or wheelgun a while I'd send it down range occasionally and refresh it with whatever you want (same stuff/new stuff). But it's obviously very important to know whatever ammo you carry functions 100% of the time. Duh... [bang] If you get new ammo or even more of the same that you have been carrying I think you still need to run a mag or two of it to make sure it functions right.
Good self defense hollow point ammo ain't cheap these days. But the peaceful mindset is that it will work in the crunch is worth the cost. Like the old Bell helmet ads said "if you have a five dollar head then wear a five dollar helmet." Then again, I have nothing against reliable military ball ammo. Clint Smith (@ Thunder Ranch) felt the same way. Just ventilate their ass with a gun and ammo you KNOW will always work. [thumbsup] ;)
I'm going to pick up a new carry piece sometime in the next couple of weeks.
The gun I'm leaning toward right now is the HK P2000SK in .40.
Anybody have an experience with one?
Quote from: Rameses on November 07, 2012, 10:46:50 AM
I'm going to pick up a new carry piece sometime in the next couple of weeks.
The gun I'm leaning toward right now is the HK P2000SK in .40.
Anybody have an experience with one?
excellently engineered gun, but very square and fat. Slide is 35mm wide. Compare to a Glock 23.. 30mm. Or a Kahr P40...24mm..
HK = way over priced for what you get, and is simply not worth it in my opinion. Pick up a well taken care of Glock 23 for carry, and you'll be in great shape.
Quote from: DRKWNG on November 07, 2012, 06:41:11 PM
HK = way over priced for what you get, and is simply not worth it in my opinion. Pick up a well taken care of Glock 23 for carry, and you'll be in great shape.
+1
or he could just get a rock and keep it in his pocket. :P
I've gone back to carrying a G19 when I feel the need to have one with me. I still like the CZ's ergos and shootability better, but the lack of decent holster options (and the pistol's sheer size) keep it from being an everyday contender.
Quote from: DRKWNG on November 07, 2012, 06:57:37 PM
I've gone back to carrying a G19 when I feel the need to have one with me. I still like the CZ's ergos and shootability better, but the lack of decent holster options (and the pistol's sheer size) keep it from being an everyday contender.
I don't think the SP-01 was ever intended as being a carry piece.
Check out High Noon holsters
Quote from: ducpainter on November 07, 2012, 06:52:37 PM
or he could just get a rock and keep it in his pocket. :P
Or a 'copy' of the real gun. :-*
Quote from: ducpainter on November 07, 2012, 07:00:10 PM
I don't think the SP-01 was ever intended as being a carry piece.
Check out High Noon holsters
Garage holsters makes a nice carry piece for the SP-01, as does Zero Concealment. There's also a local company here in NoVa that I've been talking to about putting together a few CZ specific rigs. I've just got to find the time to go out there and see them.
(http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd156/zzusernamezz/ROCKS.jpg)
I've got a couple of SP Rugers, nicely massaged by Jack Weigand and like my J frame Smiths they have been barrel ported by Mag-na-port. Sweet little wheel guns. [thumbsup]
Quote from: DRKWNG on November 07, 2012, 06:41:11 PM
HK = way over priced for what you get, and is simply not worth it in my opinion. Pick up a well taken care of Glock 23 for carry, and you'll be in great shape.
Yeah, but I found a used one in like-new condition for 700 bucks. Not too bad.
For some reason, I've never liked Glocks but I've never really been able to put my finger on why that is.
As far as the width of the HK, it's only 5mm wider than the XD-40 sub compact that I used to carry. That's only about 1/8". I don't think that'll bother me too much.
If you're looking for a holster for the CZ, check out crossbreedholster.com
They have an IWB called the Supertuck and it's available for the SP-01.
I used to carry my XD in one and it's a really good holster. I went ahead and picked up the HK last night and already ordered one of the supertuck holsters for it.
$700 is still pretty pricey for a polymer gun, especially when you can most likely get two G23s for that price if you look around. One of the things that I never cared for on the HKs, much like the Sig that I just sold, is the fact that the bore axis is so flipping high. The Glock doesn't sit as low in the hand as a CZ, but it's close. Not the biggest of deals in 9mm, but it can help with recoil control on peppier rounds, like the .40; especially if you like to run them hot.
Second thing that keeps me from liking HK is:
(http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/HKbulletsBackwards.jpg)
Now as far as holsters go... I don't think you could pay me to carry the SP-01 IWB. ;D
Quote from: DRKWNG on November 09, 2012, 03:09:31 PM
<snip>
Now as far as holsters go... I don't think you could pay me to carry the SP-01 IWB. ;D
It
is a hunk o' gun... :P
Quote from: DRKWNG on November 09, 2012, 03:09:31 PM
Now as far as holsters go... I don't think you could pay me to carry the SP-01 IWB. ;D
[laugh] [laugh]
Touche.
I picked up one of these a while back.
(http://images.cabelas.com/is/image/cabelas/s7_230701_999_01?hei=380&wid=380)
http://www.usgalco.com/HolsterPG3.asp?ProductID=4241&GunID=47 (http://www.usgalco.com/HolsterPG3.asp?ProductID=4241&GunID=47)
Fits both the G17 & G19, is comfortable and completely disappears with little more than a t-shirt.
Quote from: DRKWNG on November 09, 2012, 03:25:37 PM
I picked up one of these a while back.
(http://images.cabelas.com/is/image/cabelas/s7_230701_999_01?hei=380&wid=380)
http://www.usgalco.com/HolsterPG3.asp?ProductID=4241&GunID=47 (http://www.usgalco.com/HolsterPG3.asp?ProductID=4241&GunID=47)
Fits both the G17 & G19, is comfortable and completely disappears with little more than a t-shirt.
Is the height of the belt clips adjustable?
That's one of the things I really like about the holster I was talking about.
Sure is. You can configure it to three different heights.
Nice. And you can adjust them separately so as to alter the cant.
I got both of my supertucks made with horse hide. It conforms to the contours of your body if you always wear it in the same place and fits incredibly well.
Has anyone used the S&W MP in 9 mm and could give me their opinion?
I handled one at the local gunshop and liked the way it felt in my hand.
Quote from: Zaster on November 09, 2012, 04:48:13 PM
Has anyone used the S&W MP in 9 mm and could give me their opinion?
I handled one at the local gunshop and liked the way it felt in my hand.
Great Gun. I wouldn't hesitate.
Quote from: DRKWNG on November 09, 2012, 04:12:57 PM
Sure is. You can configure it to three different heights.
Check out the kits from old faithful holsters. Really pretty awesome, especially for the price. My wife uses one for her p238, and I have one for my G27. Similar design to the crossbreed, half the price, and if you change guns, all you have to do is replace a cheap piece of kydex.
Also, if you prefer to carry an oddball gun that doesn't have a lot of holster options, you can shape your own kydex. Easier than it sounds.
Can I use a standard die set to resize and deprime once fired 9mm military brass?
I did a test on one and while it worked it was definitely on the tight side.
Quote from: Monsterlover on November 18, 2012, 07:06:19 PM
Can I use a standard die set to resize and deprime once fired 9mm military brass?
I did a test on one and while it worked it was definitely on the tight side.
If the primers were crimped the issue will be repriming.
You'll need to swage or somehow remove the crimp from the primer pocket.
Ill swage.
I just tried a second case and it was really stiff in the die and the primer didn't pop out, jamming the case in the shell holder :P
Why are they this tight? Is it the crimp on the primer?
Quote from: Monsterlover on November 18, 2012, 07:37:49 PM
Ill swage.
I just tried a second case and it was really stiff in the die and the primer didn't pop out, jamming the case in the shell holder :P
Why are they this tight? Is it the crimp on the primer?
Yes
Is there any risk of bending or breaking the depriming pin in the sizing die?
Quote from: Monsterlover on November 18, 2012, 07:42:21 PM
Is there any risk of bending or breaking the depriming pin in the sizing die?
Yes... ;D
The Lee universal die works pretty well for avoiding that issue.
It has a system that allows the pin to move before it bends/breaks.
What dies are you using?
Rcbs
That design will break. The Lee is the only one I've seen that shouldn't.
You can buy replacement pins for the RCBS
Thanks
Quote from: Monsterlover on November 19, 2012, 03:04:38 AM
Thanks
RCBS customer service is very good.
Their prices are only a few bucks higher than Midway, and there are no up charges for small orders and high freight like Midway.
glock shooters, any word on whether the gen4 (and "recent production" gen3) issues have been resolved?
I've got 400-500 rounds of 115 FMJ through my 17 G4 with no issues. Cycles fine with FMJ through the suppressor, also.
I believe they're sending new recoil springs to correct the FTF issues, no?
Quote from: derby on November 27, 2012, 07:26:03 AM
glock shooters, any word on whether the gen4 (and "recent production" gen3) issues have been resolved?
Ok, I'm assuming you are speaking about the issue with many (later production) Gen3 and Gen4 9mm Glocks pelting the shooter with expended brass, and other erratic ejection issues? If so, the jury is still out. I have a Gen3 19 and a Gen4 17 that were both assembled this year. The 19 was test fired (case collected) in April and it ejects fairly erratically, with some brass going to the right, some going over my head, some going to the left and some going straight back into my face. It's had about 700 rds of various loads (124gr fmj, 124gr +p fmj, 124gr +p JHP, 147 JFP and 147 JHP) put down the pipe, and seems to like the heavier rds the best. The 17 was case collected in late October of this year. It's had about 500 rds through it (pretty much all 147 gr) and has had MUCH more consistent ejection, with pretty much all of the rds kicking out (possibly a little weakly) to the right. The ejection issues seem to stem mostly from a combination of factors, all starting around the conception of the Gen4 design. A lot of people feel that the primary culprit is the ejector that originally came stock in the Gen3 guns (#336), but pistols that have had this part swapped out with the newer design are still suffering from inconsistent ejection. The primary culprit IMO is actually the extractor, as the issues really seemed to surface when then went to the dipped, LCI piece. Glock has sense been shipping newer production guns (i.e. my 17) with a new design extractor, which I feel has greatly helped fix the issue. This new extractor still has the "dip" in it, but is no where as pronounced as the original piece. Apex tactical has designed their own part as well, which is made of better materials, but is hard to come buy; as it sells out almost immediately upon production. Also, according to a couple of Glock insiders that I have spoken with, the Gen4 guns are mostly sorted now, you just have to check the production date to ensure you're getting a recent weapon. The Gen3s seem to be posing a bit more of a problem for them though.
Quote from: DRKWNG on November 27, 2012, 02:07:55 PM
Ok, I'm assuming you are speaking about the issue with many (later production) Gen3 and Gen4 9mm Glocks pelting the shooter with expended brass, and other erratic ejection issues?
yup. [thumbsup]
Quote from: DRKWNG on November 27, 2012, 02:07:55 PM
If so, the jury is still out.
thanks.. that pretty much mirrors what i've read/seen. i took some brass to my glasses and girly friend took brass to the forehead from her "new" g19 gen3 the other day at the range. not sure when it was built, she still hasn't gotten back to me w/ the test fire info.
looks like (if i'm gonna buy now) i might as well go for the gen4 and hope for the best.
Quotegirly friend took brass to the forehead
When we lived in Colorado the wife and went shooting during the summer. One of those ranges that had dividers on the firing line. Being that it was in the 90's, Mrs. sno_duc was wearing a top that allowed for some "air flow". A spent casing (still quite warm) bounced of the divider and landed inside her blouse. :o [laugh]
There have been several instances where spent brass has been ejected from the weapon, erratically bounced out of the ejection port of the weapon and scarred the shooter on the fore-head. I had one come out pretty forcefully, and leave a good sized mark on the lens of my eye-pro. Hate to think what would have happened had I not had them on. Good thing I also wear prescription lenses most of the time. Otherwise I'd have to pull the 19 out of daily carry duties until it got sorted...
Ok, just saw this . . .
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/215885_10151261145144324_1130757602_n.jpg)
Arsenal Firearms announces BATFE's permission to import the first ever industrial double barrel semi-automatic pistol. Will you buy one?
Quote from: sno_duc on November 27, 2012, 03:35:40 PM
When we lived in Colorado the wife and went shooting during the summer. One of those ranges that had dividers on the firing line. Being that it was in the 90's, Mrs. sno_duc was wearing a top that allowed for some "air flow". A spent casing (still quite warm) bounced of the divider and landed inside her blouse. :o [laugh]
I hate when that happens... ;D
Quote from: Darkmonster620 on November 27, 2012, 05:08:33 PM
Ok, just saw this . . .
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/215885_10151261145144324_1130757602_n.jpg)
Arsenal Firearms announces BATFE's permission to import the first ever industrial double barrel semi-automatic pistol. Will you buy one?
Old news dood...
seriously.
Quote from: ducpainter on November 27, 2012, 05:10:20 PM
I hate when that happens... ;D
Old news dood...
seriously.
OK . . I am still waiting for my CCW renewal since April !!!
No
Quote from: Darkmonster620 on November 27, 2012, 05:13:14 PM
OK . . I am still waiting for my CCW renewal since April !!!
Move to NH...14 days.
Quote from: Darkmonster620 on November 27, 2012, 05:36:04 PM
green card?
If we went there it would get political. ;)
I don't know.
Quote from: ducpainter on November 27, 2012, 05:41:18 PM
If we went there it would get political. ;)
I don't know.
sorry . . . I don't even have my license plate, might get it in Janury, this for Monster
Quote from: ducpainter on November 27, 2012, 05:41:18 PM
If we went there it would get political. ;)
I don't know.
from what I was told, it's easy here in PA too
Quote from: DRKWNG on November 27, 2012, 02:07:55 PM
Ok, I'm assuming you are speaking about the issue with many (later production) Gen3 and Gen4 9mm Glocks pelting the shooter with expended brass, and other erratic ejection issues? If so, the jury is still out.
My brass is from 2/12, and I hadn't noticed this issue....hadn't been looking for it either, though.
I was going to pick up a 26, but I guess I'll do some research before I buy.
...and I'd be contacting my attorney general if I'd been waiting on a CCW since April. Especially on a renewal.
Quote from: Darkmonster620 on November 27, 2012, 05:36:04 PM
green card?
Yes, I bought my first hunting rifle while on a green card.
I walked out of the store with the rifle after completing some paperwork.
My wife though, being an American citizen, had to go through a waiting period to pick up her 10/22 Ruger [laugh] [laugh] [clap]
She was not a happy camper. ;D
Quote from: Darkmonster620 on November 27, 2012, 05:08:33 PM
Arsenal Firearms announces BATFE's permission to import the first ever industrial double barrel semi-automatic pistol. Will you buy one?
No.
It's not practical, useful or collectible.
I understand some people use other criteria for their gun purchases and I respect that, but for me, it would be a dead weight.
I think a few of you will get a kick out of this [cheeky]
http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/threads/179192-DIY-Shovel-AK-photo-tsunami-warning (http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/threads/179192-DIY-Shovel-AK-photo-tsunami-warning)!?p=2695046&viewfull=1#post2695046
Quote from: DucNaked on November 29, 2012, 08:27:20 PM
I think a few of you will get a kick out of this [cheeky]
http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/threads/179192-DIY-Shovel-AK-photo-tsunami-warning (http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/threads/179192-DIY-Shovel-AK-photo-tsunami-warning)!?p=2695046&viewfull=1#post2695046
[bow_down] [bow_down]
Hysterical! I've bent receivers but that takes the cake!
Quote from: DucNaked on November 29, 2012, 08:27:20 PM
I think a few of you will get a kick out of this [cheeky]
http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/threads/179192-DIY-Shovel-AK-photo-tsunami-warning (http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/threads/179192-DIY-Shovel-AK-photo-tsunami-warning)!?p=2695046&viewfull=1#post2695046
Very cool.
Quote from: stateprez on October 11, 2012, 10:21:40 AM
Feel free to shoot me a PM if you have any questions- my dealer is a great help. I can put you in touch with him also.
I got to line up my SBR build to check the rail length....I think I'm going to do a 7" Troy TRX Rail. That way when I'm not using the suppressor I can put a 3.3" Noveske KX3 flash hider on and have about 1" exposed past the rail.
Teaser.....my fixed barrel mount isn't in, so I couldn't mount it.
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h286/CPrezioso/photo2_zps39527a77.jpg)
SBR stamp came in. Waiting on my stock, rail, buffer. Hopefully breaking it in (unsuppressed) next week.
How about this...
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/see-the-new-intelligent-rifle-that-claims-to-give-you-a-perfect-shot-every-time/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/see-the-new-intelligent-rifle-that-claims-to-give-you-a-perfect-shot-every-time/)
Quote from: Monsterlover on November 30, 2012, 06:34:14 PM
How about this...
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/see-the-new-intelligent-rifle-that-claims-to-give-you-a-perfect-shot-every-time/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/see-the-new-intelligent-rifle-that-claims-to-give-you-a-perfect-shot-every-time/)
Can it read winds for you. ;)
Can it engage a moving target ;)
Quote from: Monsterlover on November 30, 2012, 07:25:59 PM
Can it engage a moving target ;)
Not talking about a mover, I'm talking about reading wind. ;)
....so I know it's useless on a 400m tgt moving left to right in a full value 12mph wind from right to left. ;)
;)
Quote from: kopfjäger on November 30, 2012, 08:14:03 PM
....so I know it's useless on a 400m tgt moving left to right in a full value 12mph wind from right to left. ;)
Isn't that what this is for
(http://www.leupold.com/img/reticle/49/large/)
Leupold tatical milling reticleand hundreds of hours of practice.
http://www.leupold.com/tactical/scopes/mark-4-lrt-riflescopes/mark-4-lrt-4-5-14x50mm-30mm-m1-illum-ret/ (http://www.leupold.com/tactical/scopes/mark-4-lrt-riflescopes/mark-4-lrt-4-5-14x50mm-30mm-m1-illum-ret/)
Quote from: sno_duc on November 30, 2012, 10:19:24 PM
Isn't that what this is for
(http://www.leupold.com/img/reticle/49/large/)
Leupold tatical milling reticle
and hundreds of hours of practice.
http://www.leupold.com/tactical/scopes/mark-4-lrt-riflescopes/mark-4-lrt-4-5-14x50mm-30mm-m1-illum-ret/ (http://www.leupold.com/tactical/scopes/mark-4-lrt-riflescopes/mark-4-lrt-4-5-14x50mm-30mm-m1-illum-ret/)
If you can't read wind at 6-1000m you couldn't hit a bull in the ass with a snow shovel. ;)
Friend got her mom a nice Christmas present this morning...
(http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson2/upload/images/firearms/zoom_lg/109380_01_lg.jpg)
Seemed like a nice little accessory for a sweet little grandmother. [thumbsup]
I did show older grandson another option...
(http://www.moviecricket.com/images/movies/stop-or-my-mom-will-shoot.jpg)
[evil]
Do they make a purse sized 1911?
How big is your purse?
(the one I am looking for is a very compact piece.)
Quote from: Bick on December 02, 2012, 02:14:51 PM
How big is your purse?
(the one I am looking for is a very compact piece.)
I was thinking for you. :-*
It's not a purse. It's European.
Not really following this thread, so sorry in advance if these are Derby
UTS 15 Shotgun - 12ga, w 7 and 8 shot magazines. Can feed from both (alternating) or just one at a time, so you can load up with two different types of shot
UTS 15 Shotgun (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=A_o3YsUVAyQ#)
'Smart' sight and trigger combo - allows you to paint a target and then the gun won't fire until you bring the dot back on your designated target. Don't think it does moving stuff though...
TrackingPoint Demonstration (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LvbyAcYjzlc#)
I dig the UTS 15. Short and looks like fun.
Thingiverse Reinforced AR Lower Test (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuDCW_Rn5JI&feature=youtu.be#)
Quote from: triangleforge on December 04, 2012, 11:58:25 AM
Thingiverse Reinforced AR Lower Test (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuDCW_Rn5JI&feature=youtu.be#)
so it's a modern day Liberator
So it works once and then breaks itself down into sharp stabbing weapons for the close range fight :)
The receiver failed at the location where the bolt contacts the buffer. That's a very thin area of metal where tube is threaded. Beef that up and it should be ok.
http://youtu.be/jAvYQSsGdMw (http://youtu.be/jAvYQSsGdMw)
[roll] [bang] [bang] [laugh]
I'm not sure what to think.
Quote from: ducpainter on December 06, 2012, 12:59:38 PM
[roll] [bang] [bang] [laugh]
I'm not sure what to think.
I think I'm very glad that there are folks like that with too much time on their hands. [laugh]
[laugh]
Anyone have any experience with these guys?
http://www.ammoforsale.com/ (http://www.ammoforsale.com/)
Quote from: The Architect on December 08, 2012, 04:08:34 PM
Anyone have any experience with these guys?
http://www.ammoforsale.com/ (http://www.ammoforsale.com/)
I don't.
I've used aimsurplus and ammotogo with good results.
Most etailers are pretty straight IMO.
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h286/CPrezioso/sbr.jpg)
Got the SBR done last week. Put around 100 rounds through it- ridiculously fun to shoot.
Slapped on a cheap optic i had laying around. Probably going to invest in a dummy suppressor when I'm not using the real thing since the inside of the rail got pretty dirty, and I don't think my original plan for a Noveske KX3 will be long enough.
Troy buis, and a better red dot planned. Second stamp should be back any time now.
The least you could do is put it on safe. :D
Quote from: The Architect on December 08, 2012, 04:08:34 PM
Anyone have any experience with these guys?
http://www.ammoforsale.com/ (http://www.ammoforsale.com/)
I've been ordering from SGAmmo for a while, and am VERY happy to do business with them again.
:-X
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 08, 2012, 06:15:25 PM
The least you could do is put it on safe. :D
Clip - Black Hawk Down - This is my safety (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTalnzcO0xk#)
Quote from: Bick on December 14, 2012, 04:26:12 PM
Clip - Black Hawk Down - This is my safety (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTalnzcO0xk#)
I worked with the real life 'Hoot' training Air Marshal's after 9-11. He told me he never said that.
Just put one of these on "California Lay-A-Way" which means I can pick it up in ten days.
DTI 316 "MOE" (they didn't have the Larry or Curley editions). Also picked up a Magpul rear pop up sight.
(http://www.kygunco.com/prodimages/31815-DEFAULT-L.jpg)
Also put a Blackhawk SpecOps Gen II Adjustable Shotgun Stock with recoil suppression on my Mossy 500. Was going to take it out tomorrow to try it out, but apparently there are more gifts to buy, pack, and ship before the UPS store closes at 3 tomorrow afternoon. :'(
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll176/nordog59/RSSBlackhawk.jpg)
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll176/nordog59/MossywithBlackhawkRSS-1.jpg)
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll176/nordog59/MossywithBlackhawkRSS-2.jpg)
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 14, 2012, 06:02:40 PM
I worked with the real life 'Hoot' training Air Marshal's after 9-11. He told me he never said that.
There was something in there that was dramatized? Say it isn't so!!! My faith in Hollywood is shattered.
Quote from: Bick on December 14, 2012, 07:58:37 PM
There was something in there that was dramatized? Say it isn't so!!! My faith in Hollywood is shattered.
:D
Anyone else here concerned about the anti 2nd Amendment rhetoric out there since last Friday?
Quote from: NorDog on December 18, 2012, 10:30:28 AM
Anyone else here concerned about the anti 2nd Amendment rhetoric out there since last Friday?
Quoted for posterity... [roll] [bang]
edit...
NorDog has served his sentence.
In case anyone missed the point allow me to reiterate...
No politics. I won't unlock it next time.
In before it gets locked again!
Good move ducpainter.
Come on people... don't torpedo my gun thread! >:(
Quote from: fastwin on December 19, 2012, 07:53:03 AM
Come on people... don't torpedo my gun thread! >:(
wouldn't torpedo's go in a bomb thread?
A question...
Does anyone have any experience with Del-Ton?
I went in looking to by the S&W M&P 15 Sport due to the price. The guy at the counter recommended the Del-Ton Echo 316 MOE OD, saying it was only about $100 [more] but it comes with the forward assist and dust cover over the ejection port. These two items were left off the M&P Sport. From what I've read they were left off to help lower the price. He made a case for the need for the forward assist. Additionally the guy said that the Echo 316 was mil-spec, while the M&P Sport was not.
So, I went with the Del-Ton. Due to local custom I cannot pick it up until 26 December so I don't know what it's like to shoot.
Again, anyone have any experience/knowledge about Del-Ton? Good? Bad?
Quote from: fastwin on December 19, 2012, 07:53:03 AM
Come on people... don't torpedo my gun thread! >:(
Next time I'm in Wood County you can slap me like a...
Well, you can slap me.
I don't know about Del-Ton personally, but they get positive reviews. I just built an Anderson Mfg stripped lower, and it went together just as well as my CMMG.
I believe there are 4 or so companies that manufacture most of the mid-low end AR lowers- there is a pinned thread on AR15.com about it.
Is the M&P not considered mil spec for the dust cover and forward assist? The one I looked at had a pinned stock also (non-adjustable) which was not ideal.
Quote from: stateprez on December 19, 2012, 09:04:41 AM
Is the M&P not considered mil spec for the dust cover and forward assist? The one I looked at had a pinned stock also (non-adjustable) which was not ideal.
I would think those items alone are sufficient to not meet mil-spec. I do not know if there are other issues involved regarding materials, clearances, or other such things.
Anyone load for 300 Weatherby Magnum?
Quote from: ducpainter on December 19, 2012, 10:03:45 AM
Anyone load for 300 Weatherby Magnum?
what the hell are you shooting at?...moose?
Quote from: zooom on December 19, 2012, 08:24:27 AM
wouldn't torpedo's go in a bomb thread?
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=61187.0 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=61187.0)
;D
Quote from: zooom on December 19, 2012, 10:29:44 AM
what the hell are you shooting at?...moose?
I don't own one.
I bought a bunch of brass and these were in it.
I figured if someone owned one they might be interested.
I've been asked to report on the Blackhawk recoil suppressing stock on my Mossberg 500. If the weather holds and the wife doesn't come up with some sort of imaginative chore for me to do, I'll take it out Saturday for a shoot and write what I think.
Quote from: NorDog on December 19, 2012, 08:30:44 AM
A question...
Does anyone have any experience with Del-Ton?
So, I went with the Del-Ton. Due to local custom I cannot pick it up until 26 December so I don't know what it's like to shoot.
Again, anyone have any experience/knowledge about Del-Ton? Good? Bad?
Yes
DelTon are excellent. But frankly most are these days. They are using pretty much the same CAD and CNC process. I used to see AR receivers with some variations in the dims but not in the last 10 years. Now a days the only difference is the finish pretty much
Quote from: NorDog on December 19, 2012, 08:32:08 AM
Next time I'm in Wood County you can slap me like a...
Well, you can slap me.
Not much ever happening in Wood County so having someone to slap around might keep me off the tractor and give me something to do. [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Let us know what ammo you shoot in your test... birdshot, #4 buck, 00 buck (low recoil or not), slugs, etc. We are expecting a full length dissertation! ;D I personally don't know anyone with one of them new fangled stocks on a scattergun so I am curious to know what you think about it. [popcorn]
Quote from: fastwin on December 19, 2012, 12:49:14 PM
Let us know what ammo you shoot in your test... birdshot, #4 buck, 00 buck (low recoil or not), slugs, etc. We are expecting a full length dissertation! ;D I personally don't know anyone with one of them new fangled stocks on a scattergun so I am curious to know what you think about it. [popcorn]
Unless it's raining Saturday morning I'll be giving it a jolly good rogering.
Wandered into one of the local shops today after work, on a whim. What do you suppose they were doing? Finding a box of six brand new S&W M&P15s, that's what. Guess what happened next?
Quote from: DRKWNG on December 20, 2012, 03:09:33 PM
Wandered into one of the local shops today after work, on a whim. What do you suppose they were doing? Finding a box of six brand new S&W M&P15s, that's what. Guess what happened next?
You lost your bladder control and screamed at them for being so evil
Pee'd all over the place I did.
Quote from: DRKWNG on December 20, 2012, 03:11:40 PM
Pee'd all over the place I did.
Doesn't that reflect poorly in the "mentally competent" category when undergoing the background check? :-\
Competent and continent are different ;D
I'm gonna swing by the local shop tomorrow to see what I can see. :)
3D printing of gun parts???
http://www.wtop.com/256/3166925/Click-print-shoot-Downloadable-guns-possible (http://www.wtop.com/256/3166925/Click-print-shoot-Downloadable-guns-possible)
interesting ramifications....
Quote from: zooom on December 21, 2012, 04:53:08 AM
3D printing of gun parts???
http://www.wtop.com/256/3166925/Click-print-shoot-Downloadable-guns-possible (http://www.wtop.com/256/3166925/Click-print-shoot-Downloadable-guns-possible)
interesting ramifications....
been discussed.
It will be a non issue until the printing media is stronger.
I guess that depends on the intent...for a toss away/disposable weapon enough to defend for a few shots, in a similar vein to the WW II FP-45 Liberator ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FP-45_Liberator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FP-45_Liberator) ) it could be quite perfect...
Quote from: zooom on December 21, 2012, 06:59:22 AM
I guess that depends on the intent...for a toss away/disposable weapon enough to defend for a few shots, in a similar vein to the WW II FP-45 Liberator ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FP-45_Liberator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FP-45_Liberator) ) it could be quite perfect...
Good point. But the printed receiver is just one piece, still have to have the machined upper, bolt and barrel. The Liberator was wholly stamped and used a piece of smoothbore pipe for a barrel, which I believe was regular plumbing pipe IIRC -- 20something total pieces.
If you're going to make a disposable gun, then it's probably going to have a few more disposable pieces.
Went to the range last night to sight in the new rifle. Guy in the next lane over had an authentic MP-40 with him, and let me put a few bursts down range. [drool] [drool] [drool]
Sweet! Nice surprise Christmas present. [thumbsup]
Quote from: fastwin on December 22, 2012, 11:39:48 AM
Sweet! Nice surprise Christmas present. [thumbsup]
Expensive too, as I ruined the trousers I was wearing.
[laugh] [laugh]
Quote from: DRKWNG on December 22, 2012, 11:48:31 AM
Expensive too, as I ruined the trousers I was wearing.
Stained your Capri pants?
I prefer to call them knickers.
Clam Diggers.
So, I gave the Blackhawk Knoxx recoil suppressing stock are try last Saturday.
Can't say that I'm a fan, but I can't really write it off yet, for a number of reasons.
1) The spirit of full disclosure requires I mention that prior to taking my Mossy 500 to the range on Saturday I had never, ever, fired a shotgun before.
2) It didn't help that I used Remington Magnum 12 gauge 00 Buck in 3 inch shells.
My buddy had a Remington 12 ga with some bird shot of some sort or other. It kicked pretty good, but nothing compared to what I experienced with the Mossberg and 00 Buck "Magnum".
I've replaced the OEM stock on the Mossy and will give it a try with some bird shot as well as a couple of the Magnum 00 Buck shot.
(Question: Is the Remington "Magnum" Buckshot really a stronger charge, or is it just marketing? Anyone know?)
Another problem with the Blackhawk recoil stock is that the stock and the rest of the shotgun are moving in relationship to one another.
I'm not he-man, but I'm no wimp either.
When I fired the thing I sought to control the front end with a firm grip on the forend. Yet, when you fire off a round the front of the gun (everything but the stock) moves backward MORE than the stock does. It slides about 1 to 2 inches.
The problem is that my two arms and hands are trying to control this monster and in so doing are kinda locked in position relative to one another. So my left hand is trying to control the front of the gun, the front of the gun is moving back MORE than the stock in my right hand.
The first problem here is that my left thumb runs into the mini picatinny rail on the forened (I have the "Tri-Rail" 500. So, this REALLY hurts like a Mo Fo. It kinda shreds one's thumbnail. Subsequent efforts to hold down the forend are pathetic. My thumb gets busted up pretty good.
After about 4 shots I remove the dam mini picatinny rail on that side of the forend.
The other interesting (in a bad way) thing to happen is that as I try to control the front of the gun while it is recoiling backwards the I loose my grip on the forend a bit, but my grip re-establishes itself as soon as the recoil absorbing springs send the front of the gun back forward. This means that I'm pumping the gun and ejecting the spent shell all at the same time I'm firing the weapon.
This may sound very efficient, but to me it is nothing other than a lack of control. NOT good.
So, the OEM stock in back in place, I've got a couple of boxes of bird shot in shorter shells, and when I get the chance I'll try them out for a comparison. Then I'll probably reinstall the Blackhawk stock and try the bird shot.
Yes you can expect more recoil with those loads.
I have used shotguns with "impact attenuators" before and i don't care for them. There are some that use sand or mercury in a sealed tube inside the butt. Those work a little but none work well IMHO.
Sounds to me yours has a problem in that it allows the receiver to move backwards. That's fine if you're not holding it. I've seen rifles with a recoiling barrel but never the whole receiver.
Practice with some low recoil rounds then some regular recoil. Those magnums are magnum for a reason.
Yea using those rounds first time out is like saying "oh let's shoot this .50 Cal one handed".. big surprise is coming...
other then that, how do you like the tri rail? Seems useful without the recoil stock?
One of my boys using his built in monopod on a range in PR. [evil]
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/16277d64248480acde45c763981e5c52.jpg)
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 26, 2012, 04:38:27 PM
One of my boys using his built in monopod on a range in PR. [evil]
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/16277d64248480acde45c763981e5c52.jpg)
Picture doesn't show...
doesn't show what? ???
Quote from: ducpainter on December 26, 2012, 04:43:24 PM
doesn't show what? ???
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 26, 2012, 04:46:22 PM
Shows up in your reply. ;)
Seems it shows up now. I even quoted his post, copied the link into a new tab and it said something along the lines of "can't find file"
Anyhow, nice example of adapt and overcome [thumbsup]
Mmmmm SASS.
Quote from: cokey on December 26, 2012, 04:23:52 PM
Yea using those rounds first time out is like saying "oh let's shoot this .50 Cal one handed".. big surprise is coming...
other then that, how do you like the tri rail? Seems useful without the recoil stock?
I'll see how the Tri-Rail works without the slippin' and slidin' of the Blackhawk stock.
Santa came a day late today with the following gift...
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll176/nordog59/Echo316crpd.jpg)
Anyone have an AR chambered in 5.45 ?
I bought a shitload of that ammo a while back planning to pick up an AK74 and now am thinking to just get an AR upper in it. It was too good a deal to pass on.
I know S&W's MP15 came in a version with it.
All the "kits" I've seen have a CAR type barrel/gas system. I prefer the full length barrel.
Is there a reason they're all using the shorter barrel?
Because its tacticool.
;D
I don't think that round benefits much from the longer barrel. If I'm remembering correctly (probably not), I think that round was designed to be fairly unstable, much like the original 5.56 load. What weight bullet is yours?
I believe Rock River makes a 5.45 upper. I don't think S&W still makes theirs. I could dispose of a few thousand rounds of that 5.45 for you [evil]
I picked up a Century Arms "Bulgarian" AK74 a year ago for about $380, what a blast. The supply of Russian surplus ammo seems to have dried up, though. I paid $119/1080 when I bought the gun. AIM has it for $169/1080 now, but it's always out of stock.
Quote from: Snake on December 27, 2012, 12:06:53 PM
I picked up a Century Arms "Bulgarian" AK74 a year ago for about $380, what a blast. The supply of Russian surplus ammo seems to have dried up, though. I paid $119/1080 when I bought the gun. AIM has it for $169/1080 now, but it's always out of stock.
I paid $80/can for mine.. [evil]
Quote from: DRKWNG on December 26, 2012, 07:52:27 PM
I don't think that round benefits much from the longer barrel. If I'm remembering correctly (probably not), I think that round was designed to be fairly unstable, much like the original 5.56 load. what weight bullet is yours?
Actually, I think I figured that out -- remembering the '74 and '106 both have a 16" barrel..
I just prefer the long sight line.. maybe the dissipator type.. hmm.. Model 1 has a nice kit.
Santa came by a little late to see me. He brought me the one piece red thermals (with the poop chute) I've always wanted.
He also dropped this off
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8223/8316654968_22bac33df3_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/32381491@N07/8316654968/)
IMAG0286 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/32381491@N07/8316654968/#) by anzalone22 (http://www.flickr.com/people/32381491@N07/), on Flickr
Ruger SR1911, 45, made in America.
I just put 2 spam cans (2160 rounds) of Russian 5.45x39 on backorder at sportsmans guide. They said it was due in around January 21, 2013....we will see! Price was $170 per can, which is average now (compared to AIM surplus and Wideners). The free shipping sealed the deal for me. Now let's keep our fingers crossed and hope the ammo actually shows up [roll]
Quote from: The Architect on December 27, 2012, 05:57:45 PM
Santa came by a little late to see me. He brought me the one piece red thermals (with the poop chute) I've always wanted.
THAT'S CALLED A UNION SUIT YOUNG MAN
Quote
He also dropped this off
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8223/8316654968_22bac33df3_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/32381491@N07/8316654968/)
IMAG0286 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/32381491@N07/8316654968/#) by anzalone22 (http://www.flickr.com/people/32381491@N07/), on Flickr
Great. Santa Claus. Straw purchaser.
Quote from: The Architect on December 27, 2012, 05:57:45 PM
Santa came by a little late to see me. He brought me the one piece red thermals (with the poop chute) I've always wanted.
He also dropped this off
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8223/8316654968_22bac33df3_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/32381491@N07/8316654968/)
IMAG0286 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/32381491@N07/8316654968/#) by anzalone22 (http://www.flickr.com/people/32381491@N07/), on Flickr
Ruger SR1911, 45, made in America.
We should go to the range. [thumbsup]
Quote from: ducpainter on December 28, 2012, 05:01:26 PM
We should go to the range. [thumbsup]
There's an indoor range in Belmont I want to try. ;)
But I first need to get some ammo. It seems scarce around these parts.
Quote from: The Architect on December 29, 2012, 03:53:55 AM
There's an indoor range in Belmont I want to try. ;)
But I first need to get some ammo. It seems scarce around these parts.
It's scarce everywhere
A lot of things are scarce these days. I just bought 5 ar mags and 2 stripped lower receivers at Nov 2012 prices. I'm happy.
Hopefully after everyone calms the make the beast with two backs down availability will stabilize.
Prices won't return to pre-frenzy levels I'm afraid.
Quote from: ducpainter on December 29, 2012, 05:14:30 AM
Hopefully after everyone calms the make the beast with two backs down availability will stabilize.
Prices won't return to pre-frenzy levels I'm afraid.
I think it will (availability)
Prices I'm not sure about. I think as demand drops prices will too. Time will tell. All we can do is go along for the ride and see where it ends up.
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 29, 2012, 05:50:20 AM
I think it will (availability)
Prices I'm not sure about. I think as demand drops prices will too. Time will tell. All we can do is go along for the ride and see where it ends up.
They'll drop some...
but I don't think they'll go all the way back to where they were.
Quote from: ducpainter on December 29, 2012, 05:14:30 AM
Hopefully after everyone calms the make the beast with two backs down availability will stabilize.
Prices won't return to pre-frenzy levels I'm afraid.
I think you're right. We've shown that we are willing to pay the higher prices, why lower the costs?
Last weekend I went to Rody's and the Barn Store, two local small gun shops. I was completely surprised to see the parking lots full and the shelves empty. [bang]. You're right Nate; everyone, calm the make the beast with two backs down.
calm down, and get the prices low so when I got to buy next year I can afford the stuff
Quote from: The Architect on December 29, 2012, 06:46:19 AM
I think you're right. We've shown that we are willing to pay the higher prices, why lower the costs?
Last weekend I went to Rody's and the Barn Store, two local small gun shops. I was completely surprised to see the parking lots full and the shelves empty. [bang]. You're right Nate; everyone, calm the make the beast with two backs down.
I was in Skip's right after the incident in CT.
The lot was full...lined up at the counter 3 deep...and primers were already $3/K higher than the week before.
I bought some anyway because I was out. Most of the online vendors warehouses are empty, and when stock is replenished don't be surprised to see prices higher.
It's economics, and right now the market will bear whatever they want to charge.
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 29, 2012, 05:05:11 AM
A lot of things are scarce these days. I just bought 5 ar mags and 2 stripped lower receivers at Nov 2012 prices. I'm happy.
Good score. I ended up getting another five Pmags and six more G17 mags a few days before everything went to hell, then the S&W MP15 right afterwards. There's a gun show going on down here this weekend, and word is (I'm not going near the zoo) that the price of everything is through the roof. 5.56 is selling for a cool grand per thousand rds, and cheap Bushmaster ARs are running out the door at $2500.
Hell, as much as I don't want to go, I'm almost tempted to show up with my new AR on my back and a sign that says make offer.
Quote from: DRKWNG on December 29, 2012, 08:27:02 AM
Good score. I ended up getting another five Pmags and six more G17 mags a few days before everything went to hell, then the S&W MP15 right afterwards. There's a gun show going on down here this weekend, and word is (I'm not going near the zoo) that the price of everything is through the roof. 5.56 is selling for a cool grand per thousand rds, and cheap Bushmaster ARs are running out the door at $2500.
Hell, as much as I don't want to go, I'm almost tempted to show up with my new AR on my back and a sign that says make offer.
Which show? I might take one of my extra NIB aks to sell....
Quote from: ducatiz on December 29, 2012, 11:13:41 AM
Which show? I might take one of my extra NIB aks to sell....
Nation's show, at Dulles.
Quote from: DRKWNG on December 29, 2012, 04:45:03 PM
Nation's show, at Dulles.
Totally forgot about that. Ill be there. Better be there early. I talked to s/o today and it was overfill yesterday.
30rd ar mags $13 and in stock
http://www.classicfirearms.com/accessories/ar30thermold (http://www.classicfirearms.com/accessories/ar30thermold)
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 29, 2012, 05:31:21 PM
30rd ar mags $13 and in stock
http://www.classicfirearms.com/accessories/ar30thermold (http://www.classicfirearms.com/accessories/ar30thermold)
Classic Arms is good people. I have shopped them for years. They used to have classic-arms.com and forgot to renew it so they changed their name to classic firearms.
how to the thermolds compare to the pmags?
Never used those. I've had Pmags work fine in a variety of bad conditions. Glad that I bought up the 30 I have before things went nuts.
Quote from: derby on December 29, 2012, 05:53:40 PM
how to the thermolds compare to the pmags?
They are ok. They've had some issues over the years. I have some m14 thermolds which suck but iirc the current batch are the same glass reinforced nylon as the orlite mags.
Pmag m3 actually changed the mag shape slightly after a lot of research into the best feed angle. The older pmags, thermold, orlite all use the same geometry as the original colt design. No one has reexamined this until now. They even tweaked their 20round mag.
Give the Troy mags a shot.
Pretty Flowers...
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8497/8320310992_8622123038_b.jpg)
Smith & Wesson has pmags available on their website still.
I grabbed a few since I read they're the go to ar mag at just about every website that ever wrote about them
Quote from: The Architect on December 27, 2012, 05:57:45 PM
Santa came by a little late to see me. He brought me the one piece red thermals (with the poop chute) I've always wanted.
He also dropped this off
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8223/8316654968_22bac33df3_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/32381491@N07/8316654968/)
IMAG0286 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/32381491@N07/8316654968/#) by anzalone22 (http://www.flickr.com/people/32381491@N07/), on Flickr
Ruger SR1911, 45, made in America.
Not only made in America, but just about three miles from my house -- my neighbor Angel works on the line! I want one. [thumbsup]
Quote from: Bick on December 30, 2012, 04:00:14 PM
Pretty Flowers...
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8497/8320310992_8622123038_b.jpg)
There are some evil people in this world that need a large bouquet of those flowers. They know who they are. I'm thinking special delivery! ;) [popcorn]
Quote from: triangleforge on December 31, 2012, 04:05:57 PM
Not only made in America, but just about three miles from my house -- my neighbor Angel works on the line! I want one. [thumbsup]
Tell your neighbor, Thank You! And let him know they make some beautiful high quality pieces.
The Ruger plant in Newport, NH is about 15 minutes from me, everyone that works their is proud of their work (and they should be) and I'm a big Ruger fan.
I have my eye on a SR22 and 10/22-FS. Soon. Anyone here own an SR22?
Quote from: Bick on December 30, 2012, 04:00:14 PM
Pretty Flowers...
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8497/8320310992_8622123038_b.jpg)
Those would make some epic cuff links.
They would indeed! [thumbsup]
Quote from: The Architect on January 01, 2013, 10:52:45 AM
Tell your neighbor, Thank You! And let him know they make some beautiful high quality pieces.
The Ruger plant in Newport, NH is about 15 minutes from me, everyone that works their is proud of their work (and they should be) and I'm a big Ruger fan.
I have my eye on a SR22 and 10/22-FS. Soon. Anyone here own an SR22?
A friend has an Sr22 and loves it. I want one too. Similar to my sr9c :)
Quote from: Bick on December 30, 2012, 04:00:14 PM
Pretty Flowers...
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8497/8320310992_8622123038_b.jpg)
Did you take this picture?
Quote from: NorDog on January 02, 2013, 06:12:15 PM
Did you take this picture?
No. Now I even forget where I found it.
Just thought it was too cool not to share.
So, I picked up my AR-15 type carbine (Del-Ton Echo 316) on the 26th. Finally got to fire it Monday down in San Diego at an indoor range.
I've fired these before, but this is the first one that is mine. Pride of ownership focuses the attention in a way that nothing else seems to do.
I've been looking around for accessories. Since I have the "MOE" edition I learned that MOE means Magpul Original Equipment. Naturally I've looked at the Magpul website for ideas.
While clicking around inside the Magpul site I felt like I had discovered some type of accessories porn.
So, is Magpul like the Rizoma of AR15/M16/M4 carbine goodies?
Are there others I should check out.
Good analogy.
I like milsurp stuff. For mags, I haven't had any problem with the Orlite mags I kept from service. They are pretty near indestructible.
Pick up a copy of Shotgun News and there are a few dozen AR15 twaddlers. Fulton Armory is one that comes to mind for being high end.
Quote from: NorDog on January 03, 2013, 04:09:46 PM
While clicking around inside the Magpul site I felt like I had discovered some type of accessories porn.
So, is Magpul like the Rizoma of AR15/M16/M4 carbine goodies?
Are there others I should check out.
Quote from: NorDog on January 03, 2013, 04:09:46 PM
So, is Magpul like the Rizoma of AR15/M16/M4 carbine goodies?
Are there others I should check out.
I would say LaRue or Troy.
http://troyind.com/%20/plastics/magazine/troy-battlemag (http://troyind.com/%20/plastics/magazine/troy-battlemag)
I won't be buying any troy mags after seeing this BS. I'll wait for my regularly priced pmags to ship on the 29th.
Quote from: rgramjet on January 03, 2013, 07:23:53 PM
http://troyind.com/%20/plastics/magazine/troy-battlemag (http://troyind.com/%20/plastics/magazine/troy-battlemag)
I won't be buying any troy mags after seeing this BS. I'll wait for my regularly priced pmags to ship on the 29th.
Meh, what is the price difference?
Pmags are $12.50 with the window. Magpul could easily raise their price but haven't......so far.
Correction, $15.50 with the window.
A 5 round mag for my bolt action is $43...
quit your whining. :-*
Quote from: rgramjet on January 03, 2013, 07:45:42 PM
Pmags are $12.50 with the window. Magpul could easily raise their price but haven't......so far.
.....so far ;)
Quote from: rgramjet on January 03, 2013, 07:45:42 PM
Pmags are $12.50 with the window. Magpul could easily raise their price but haven't......so far.
Where?
I was only able to find them direct from s&w for $20 ea
You'd whine too if your $43 mag jumped to $86.
Brownells.com
Quote from: rgramjet on January 03, 2013, 07:54:37 PM
Brownells.com
http://www.brownells.com/magazines/rifle-magazines/magazines/ar-15-m16-pmag-polymer-magazine-prod24192.aspx (http://www.brownells.com/magazines/rifle-magazines/magazines/ar-15-m16-pmag-polymer-magazine-prod24192.aspx)
Quote from: rgramjet on January 03, 2013, 07:53:59 PM
You'd whine too if your $43 mag jumped to $86.
...and if it did I wouldn't buy the make the beast with two backsing thing.
No one has a gun to your head to join this madness. ;)
Quote from: rgramjet on January 03, 2013, 07:54:37 PM
Brownells.com
As per their website, the one with the cute little useless window is $16. :D
Quote from: ducpainter on January 03, 2013, 08:04:03 PM
...and if it did I wouldn't buy the make the beast with two backsing thing.
No one has a gun to your head to join this madness. ;)
Wouldn't you buy a couple extra at $43 if you knew their price will double and/or they become unavailable?
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 03, 2013, 08:13:16 PM
As per their website, the one with the cute little useless window is $16. :D
$15.50 if you buy 10.
Quote from: rgramjet on January 03, 2013, 07:45:42 PM
Pmags are $12.50 with the window. Magpul could easily raise their price but haven't......so far.
Correction, $15.50 with the window.
Hence my correction right after my erroneous post.
[thumbsup]
Quote from: rgramjet on January 03, 2013, 08:32:35 PM
Hence my correction right after my erroneous post.
[thumbsup]
[thumbsup]
Quote from: rgramjet on January 03, 2013, 08:13:44 PM
Wouldn't you buy a couple extra at $43 if you knew their price will double and/or they become unavailable?
No...I actually wouldn't.
I've 'managed' with what I have so far.
I'm not seeing any zombiepocalypse any time soon.
You, and all the others entering into this panic buying, are creating the market this pricing reflects.
Um, I am not in any sort of panic....soy tranquilo.
;)
IF you didn't buy them a year or two ago when they were cheap
Why do you need them now?
Seriously.
Chances are your need for them in a year or two from now will be about the same as it was a year ago.
Regardless of the price.
I struggle to find AR70 mags below $50 for just one factory mag.
Quote from: ducatiz on January 04, 2013, 05:47:29 AM
IF you didn't buy them a year or two ago when they were cheap
Why do you need them now?
Seriously.
Chances are your need for them in a year or two from now will be about the same as it was a year ago.
Regardless of the price.
I struggle to find AR70 mags below $50 for just one factory mag.
The last person I expected to post not in my defense! ;D
With patience, pmags are the same price as last year. Check CL or Gunbroker, they are selling for $30-$50 each. People that buy at those prices are in a panic. Truth is, I have been looking for a while.
Why would someone buy a pallet of ammo for a caliber they dont own?
The answer in my mind is, why not?
[thumbsup]
Quote from: rgramjet on January 04, 2013, 06:54:11 AM
The last person I expected to post not in my defense! ;D
With patience, pmags are the same price as last year. Check CL or Gunbroker, they are selling for $30-$50 each. People that buy at those prices are in a panic. Truth is, I have been looking for a while.
Why would someone buy a pallet of ammo for a caliber they dont own?
The answer in my mind is, why not?
Ammo is different from magazines, imho. It's a diminishing commodity, so you use it up and it's gone. Magazines don't get used up.
You probably have plenty of AR magazines right now. Most people that already have an AR probably have a few at least. If they haven't needed more than that, then they probably won't >need< more in the future.
I got my stash of magazines super cheap, so it was stupid not to get them (like 8 shekels each, about 2 bucks).
When I find ammo cheap, I pretty much always buy it. I bought two pallets of Polish milsurp Tokarev ammo when it was going for 8c/round a few years ago. I didn't have anything in Tok until I had an AR upper made for it. At the gun show this past weekend, I saw the same crap Polish Tok ammo going for $1/round. Stupid prices. online you can find it for 30-40c/round now. Same deal when the AK74 5.45 was going for 10c/round. Picked up a pallet of it. I still don't have an upper for it yet, but I'll get one soon. I already got the magazines for it.
The last mag I put together for my open gun was about $270. Old style SVI 170mm tube - $160, Taran Tactical base pad, spring, and follower -$50, tuning to get 30 rounds in it - $60. All that to start a stage with 30+1 in the gun. Suddenly $50 AR mags don't seem so bad [bang]
I have a backorder with Sportsmans Guide for 2 cases of 5.45x39 at $.16/round...we'll see if they come through
Quote from: Snake on January 04, 2013, 08:47:58 AM
I have a backorder with Sportsmans Guide for 2 cases of 5.45x39 at $.16/round...we'll see if they come through
their 5.45x39 milsurp doesn't even show up in their catalogue now
Quote from: rgramjet on January 04, 2013, 06:54:11 AM
Why would someone buy a pallet of ammo for a caliber they dont own?
The answer in my mind is, why not?
2 OTHER REASONS....
1) incentive to then buy a weapon that uses said ammo....
2) like a futures trader of sorts to then resell it later at a profit....
Quote from: zooom on January 04, 2013, 12:40:04 PM
2 OTHER REASONS....
2) like a futures trader of sorts to then resell it later at a profit....
tell me about it.
The tok ammo i bought was originally $64 per 800 rounds, and now I see them going for >$500
Phase 1: buy pallets of ammo
Phase 2: <shrugs shoulders>
Phase 3: profit
;D
Man if I had the space...
Seems basically no risk lol..
http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/20538156/fpsrussia (http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/20538156/fpsrussia)
FPS Russia dude found tied to a chair and shot in the back of the head...
Its not clear to me if it was him or a behind the scenes guy. The pic didn't look like him and the article said he sometimes appears on camera.
Tragic nonetheless
Edit - not him. Weapons mgr
It was the guy behind the scene. The dealer who let him shoot all the guns.
Quote from: zooom on January 09, 2013, 05:39:35 AM
http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/20538156/fpsrussia (http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/20538156/fpsrussia)
FPS Russia dude found tied to a chair and shot in the back of the head...
I saw that.
Fishy as hell.
Except he wasn't in a chair: "Gun enthusiast Keith Ratliffe was found shot dead along a rural road"
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2259190/Keith-Ratliff-Popular-online-guns-explosives-expert-shot-death-rural-Georgia-road.html#ixzz2HVzyPFhu (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2259190/Keith-Ratliff-Popular-online-guns-explosives-expert-shot-death-rural-Georgia-road.html#ixzz2HVzyPFhu)
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First one dead, behind the scenes guy, gunshot to the head.
Personality, mysterious 'car crash', dead as well.
Quote from: Raux on January 10, 2013, 01:15:57 AM
Personality, mysterious 'car crash', dead as well.
where did you see that?
I googled him to find info and I see nothing...at least under his real name of "Kyle Myers", even though he goes by the nickname of Dmitri Potapoff in the videos....
Google noveske car crash.
FYI, I will be joining the conversations here in this thread soon, for better or worse [cheeky]
Quote from: Monsterlover on January 10, 2013, 05:58:42 AM
Google noveske car crash.
:o :o something is going on. I found this too:
Quote(http://www.jgsales.com/images/1688-gunbrokercomauctionitems-rareandoddgunrelatedstuff-s3.jpg)
Grace DeSaye, J&G co-founder, joyfully entered the Kingdom of Heaven early Monday December 3rd at the age of 81 years. Grace was the "G" of J&G, helping her husband Joe build J&G Rifle Ranch in Montana. As the Rifle Ranch grew from a barn based hobby into the J&G Sales we know today, they moved the business and their family to Prescott, Arizona in 1977. Investing years of work, guidance, and encouragement, Grace contributed greatly to the success of the family business and to the lives of each of her family members.
Grace was always happiest being with her children and their families. A lifelong lover of reading, she also enjoyed singing in the Church Choir, and every opportunity to travel. Traveling with family members throughout the years, she was thankful to be able to explore Alaska, Hawaii, Europe, New Zealand, Israel, and Africa. She treasured summers in Montana, returning to her roots and reuniting with lifelong friends.
Grace is survived by her 6 children and their spouses, and was blessed with many grandchildren and extended family members.
Memorial and internment will be in Montana. Memorials can be made to the charity of your choice or to the Good Samaritan Hospice of Prescott, AZ who graciously provided loving care during her final days.
Maybe someone needs to start a conspiracy thread that will get locked.
Quote from: DucNaked on January 10, 2013, 06:08:56 AM
Maybe someone needs to start a conspiracy thread that will get locked.
PROVING THERE IS A CONTHPIRATHY!!! :o :o :o :o :o :o
Quote from: DucNaked on January 10, 2013, 06:08:56 AM
Maybe someone needs to start a conspiracy thread that will get locked.
Quote from: ducatiz on January 10, 2013, 06:09:54 AM
PROVING THERE IS A CONTHPIRATHY!!! :o :o :o :o :o :o
like my Father In Law used to say, "Hmmm, people dying today that never died before"
Quote from: ducatiz on January 10, 2013, 06:05:50 AM
:o :o something is going on. I found this too:
She died at 81 in a hospice in AZ for christ's sakes.
You don't suppose a long term illness or old age contributed eh?
[bang] [bang] [bang] [bang] [bang] [bang]
Quote from: ducpainter on January 10, 2013, 06:34:29 AM
She died at 81 in a hospice in AZ for christ's sakes.
You don't suppose a long term illness or old age contributed eh?
[bang] [bang] [bang] [bang] [bang] [bang]
at 81 you can just die because you're 81
Quote from: lethe on January 10, 2013, 06:38:40 AM
at 81 you can just die because you're 81
Happens all the time
Quote from: ducpainter on January 10, 2013, 06:34:29 AM
She died at 81 in a hospice in AZ for christ's sakes.
You don't suppose a long term illness or old age contributed eh?
[bang] [bang] [bang] [bang] [bang] [bang]
That's what they want you to think.
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5299/5404789780_7e4448de75.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/26408631@N02/5404789780/)
tinfoil (http://www.flickr.com/photos/26408631@N02/5404789780/#) by nh_painter (http://www.flickr.com/people/26408631@N02/), on Flickr
Quote from: ducpainter on January 10, 2013, 06:34:29 AM
She died at 81 in a hospice in AZ for christ's sakes.
Does it not bother you at all that almost everyone in hospice care dies? Coincidence? I think not.
;)
Quote from: ducpainter on January 10, 2013, 06:34:29 AM
She died at 81 in a hospice in AZ for christ's sakes.
You don't suppose a long term illness or old age contributed eh?
[bang] [bang] [bang] [bang] [bang] [bang]
don't get sarcasm, eh? [evil]
Quote from: ducatiz on January 10, 2013, 12:47:27 PM
don't get sarcasm, eh? [evil]
A person can never tell in text.
If I knew you it would be different.
So...
I took the polishing wheel to the guts of my S&W today
really smoothed it out, help decrease the hand shaking necessary to fire the thing
compared to the our Walther, which has a trigger like a slightly strung out stripper's nono parts
now the S&W's trigger is at least like sex
vs
jerking off with sandpaper and a brick like it used to be
it was a good day
Got some new leather in the mail today.
(http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac51/rllout/vm2/137_zps14c0f123.jpg)
(http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac51/rllout/vm2/142_zps08fc03db.jpg)
Quote from: Mother on January 10, 2013, 06:27:56 PM
So...
I took the polishing wheel to the guts of my S&W today
really smoothed it out, help decrease the hand shaking necessary to fire the thing
compared to the our Walther, which has a trigger like a slightly strung out stripper's nono parts
now the S&W's trigger is at least like sex
vs
jerking off with sandpaper and a brick like it used to be
it was a good day
Nothing helps a gun or the shooter like a smooth, slick trigger. It can turn a POS/I hate it/want to get rid of it gun into a favorite. [thumbsup] [bacon] I have several that have made that magical transformation and I will never part with them.
Gunny is still the man!
Gunny & Glock - Wrong House (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RNcFs-JwOQ#)
Gunny & Glock - Wrong Diner - Extended Version (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsVCHE7ayPE#)
Quote from: Bick on January 11, 2013, 03:38:26 PM
Gunny is still the man!
Gunny & Glock - Wrong House (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RNcFs-JwOQ#)
Gunny & Glock - Wrong Diner - Extended Version (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsVCHE7ayPE#)
Yep.
One day many years ago somebody said, "God bless America" so God created the USMC.
Quote from: Bick on January 11, 2013, 03:38:26 PM
Gunny is still the man!
Gunny & Glock - Wrong House (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RNcFs-JwOQ#)
Gunny & Glock - Wrong Diner - Extended Version (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsVCHE7ayPE#)
Too bad he never really made the rank of Gunnery Sergeant. ;)
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 11, 2013, 04:38:49 PM
Too bad he never really made the rank of Gunnery Sergeant. ;)
But, if he had not had the medical discharge, and did make Gunny, he may have not been available for the consulting job on Apocalypse Now, which led to the cameo, which may have been the start of the whole domino effect that has given the rest of us decades of entertainment.
Quote from: Bick on January 11, 2013, 04:48:07 PM
But, if he had not had the medical discharge, and did make Gunny, he may have not been available for the consulting job on Apocalypse Now, which led to the cameo, which may have been the start of the whole domino effect that has given the rest of us decades of entertainment.
[thumbsup]
what safe was that in the first one?
that's quick access
Quote from: Raux on January 12, 2013, 06:06:55 AM
what safe was that in the first one?
that's quick access
This one maybe?
http://www.gunvault.com/multivault-biometric-gvb2000.html (http://www.gunvault.com/multivault-biometric-gvb2000.html)
looks like it
good prices too
Quote from: Bick on January 12, 2013, 06:17:07 AM
This one maybe?
http://www.gunvault.com/multivault-biometric-gvb2000.html (http://www.gunvault.com/multivault-biometric-gvb2000.html)
I have two of these and they are great.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/140904660528?hlp=false (http://www.ebay.com/itm/140904660528?hlp=false)
I don't want something too big. I mounted both of mine on the wall in such a way that the front flops down. The pistol is attached to the cover with velcro.
The fingerprint reader will allow you to save a print from any angle, so don't save the print until you have mounted it.
Looking to buy a 24+ rifle safe and didn't score on the search function.
Any recommendations from forum pros?
Quote from: Zaster on January 12, 2013, 06:42:30 PM
Looking to buy a 24+ rifle safe and didn't score on the search function.
Any recommendations from forum pros?
I've been considering one from this place. http://www.patriotsafe.com/ (http://www.patriotsafe.com/)
Browning Pro Steel safes rock! I have three. [thumbsup]
Buddy of mine snapped this at the 'Shot Show' today. [evil]
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/16a13cbe4aaf6e4b1648d50b9e5870c1.jpg)
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 15, 2013, 03:41:50 PM
Buddy of mine snapped this at the 'Shot Show' today. [evil]
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/16a13cbe4aaf6e4b1648d50b9e5870c1.jpg)
If there's something more badass than that, I can't picture it.
Made a decision...
(http://www.teamglockracing.com/glock-buyers-guide/images-guide/Glock-21.jpg)
Or more, due to lack of availability of any Kimber, and budget considerations...
So now the 7 days for the "instant" background check begins. [bang]
Quote from: Bick on January 15, 2013, 04:56:11 PM
Made a decision...
(http://www.teamglockracing.com/glock-buyers-guide/images-guide/Glock-21.jpg)
Or more, due to lack of availability of any Kimber, and budget considerations...
So now the 7 days for the "instant" background check begins. [bang]
[thumbsup] You're gonna love that make the beast with two backser.
I loved my 19, and my experience with their customer service has me sold for life!
I could have been talked into selling you a Kimber. :D
Seriously though, I think you'll like the G21. I haven't shot one of the Gen4 models, but I've heard that they're the softest shooting .45s out there.
Quote from: DRKWNG on January 15, 2013, 05:22:39 PM
I could have been talked into selling you a Kimber. :D
Seriously though, I think you'll like the G21. I haven't shot one of the Gen4 models, but I've heard that they're the softest shooting .45s out there.
;) Even my little 36 kicks like a full size 9.
cough....
where is everyone buying their 556 ammo these days?
Quote from: muskrat on January 15, 2013, 07:53:29 PM
where is everyone buying their 556 ammo these days?
Not looking so good for a while.
Probably your best bet is load your own.
Quote from: Monsterlover on January 15, 2013, 08:06:03 PM
Not looking so good for a while.
Probably your best bet is load your own.
That's what I have been doing.
Might gain popularity if you have to start registering for ammo purchases.
Quote from: muskrat on January 15, 2013, 07:53:29 PM
where is everyone buying their 556 ammo these days?
Cheaper Than Dirt dot Com, but it's anything BUT cheaper than dirt.
Also, at the shooting range, when they have it.
I'm always 5 min late at academy. They sell 15000 rounds in minutes. Cheaper than dirt is out as well. We'd load our own in Venezuela growing up and I hated it. The only ammo missing in my stockpile is 556. [bang]. I have all the others.
So if I wanted to get started loading my own ammo, what do I need to know? If you're kind enough to answer, please assume I'm an idiot.
Quote from: ducpainter on January 15, 2013, 05:44:03 PM
cough....
I did not see where someone asked you to turn your head. :-X
Quote from: sugarcrook on January 15, 2013, 10:14:03 PM
So if I wanted to get started loading my own ammo, what do I need to know? If you're kind enough to answer, please assume I'm an idiot.
Now really isn't the time as there aren't any primers available either.
That said...how many rounds per month do you want to shoot, and how many calibers?
Quote from: Bick on January 15, 2013, 10:15:40 PM
I did not see where someone asked you to turn your head. :-X
I did not see where anyone was talking to you. :-*
I am contemplating he idea of selling/trading my IMI Baby Eagle .45 for perhaps a .40...probably maybe an H&K...
pro's and cons?....
then again, I may just decide to trade it in on another 1911...I have 2 already and I love em.
Quote from: ducpainter on January 16, 2013, 02:25:26 AM
Now really isn't the time as there aren't any primers available either.
That said...how many rounds per month do you want to shoot, and how many calibers?
I did not see where anyone was talking to you. :-*
Right now I'm looking primarily at 5.56 and .45. I don't shoot too much 5.56, but I go through 200-300 rounds of .45 per month.
http://www.ammoseek.com (http://www.ammoseek.com) just found the site and love it.
Quote from: sugarcrook on January 16, 2013, 10:53:03 AM
Right now I'm looking primarily at 5.56 and .45. I don't shoot too much 5.56, but I go through 200-300 rounds of .45 per month.
That's about the top of the limit for a single stage press.
An inexpensive way to get into it would be to go with a Lee Classic turret which should be capable of your needs and then some.
This place is the only outfit that offers that press in a kit... http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/product/productId/23840 (http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/product/productId/23840)
Of course they're out of stock...people are going way past panic, and the system is overloaded. You can build your own kit by buying what's included. You'd also need a pair of 6" calipers, dies for the calibers you want to reload, a kinetic hammer to pull bullets when you make the inevitable mistake, as well as some books. The ABC's of reloading is a good resource for the basics, and the Lyman #49 manual has loads for almost every bullet and powder.
You might want to try and find components before you buy a press. They are scarce. I'd recommend starting with plated or jacketed projectiles. Lead is trickier and isn't the best choice for a beginner without someone to show you the ropes, IMO.
Why is lead trickier?
Quote from: Monsterlover on January 16, 2013, 01:47:04 PM
Why is lead trickier?
probably due to it being softer and more subject to rookie mistakes of too much pressure or something...but I am purely assuming/speculating...
Quote from: zooom on January 16, 2013, 06:15:16 AM
pro's and cons?....
For an HK? Price. /thread
Seriously though, HK makes some mighty fine weapons, but they're simply not with the cover charge if you ask me. There are so many other choices out there that will shoot just as nicely, group just as tightly (after all, it's more the shooter than the gun), all while costing your several hundreds less. Plus, just try finding any spare parts for an HK that don't force you to take out a small loan.
Quote from: fastwin on January 11, 2013, 10:00:59 AM
Nothing helps a gun or the shooter like a smooth, slick trigger. It can turn a POS/I hate it/want to get rid of it gun into a favorite. [thumbsup] [bacon] I have several that have made that magical transformation and I will never part with them.
now add in the new spring kit
and
just as you said
magical transformation
I hated this little gun, now it is smoother than the Walther... <wonders if I can polish and kit the bond gun?>
Quote from: Monsterlover on January 16, 2013, 01:47:04 PM
Why is lead trickier?
It's somewhat limited as to powders that are really suitable because it requires lower speeds, and if you don't have the right expanding die the bullet will start crooked and shave material on the edge of the case which will kill accuracy. You also should slug your bore to make sure the bullets you buy are sized properly. They need to be .001 larger than the rifling.
Add that if you use a FCD incorrectly for a lead bullet as opposed to a taper crimp die you could re-size the bullet and make it too small for the bore.
I haven't seen this variation of family representation on the back window of any vehicles until today. I like the little two-fisted gunslinger in the middle ;)
The family that shoots together, stays together:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8516/8388226508_456a630846_z.jpg)
Quote from: Stella on January 16, 2013, 02:54:32 PM
I haven't seen this variation of family representation on the back window of any vehicles until today. I like the little two-fisted gunslinger in the middle ;)
The family that shoots together, stays together:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8516/8388226508_456a630846_z.jpg)
[thumbsup] and [laugh]
but mostly [thumbsup] [thumbsup] [thumbsup] [thumbsup]
Okay, this is madness.
eBay auction for a pair (2) ten round magazines USED.
60 bids
Winning bid $482.00
??? :o
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-10-round-223-5-56-magazines-/221177061956?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&nma=true&si=oHcIcPtRlSXpkxwrOK30KR7mHz8%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-10-round-223-5-56-magazines-/221177061956?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&nma=true&si=oHcIcPtRlSXpkxwrOK30KR7mHz8%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc)
Holy crap
Quote from: NorDog on January 16, 2013, 05:13:32 PM
Okay, this is madness.
eBay auction for a pair (2) ten round magazines USED.
60 bids
Winning bid $482.00
??? :o
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-10-round-223-5-56-magazines-/221177061956?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&nma=true&si=oHcIcPtRlSXpkxwrOK30KR7mHz8%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-10-round-223-5-56-magazines-/221177061956?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&nma=true&si=oHcIcPtRlSXpkxwrOK30KR7mHz8%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc)
I'll sell em 10 30rd mags for that coin. What a dumbass.
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 16, 2013, 05:38:48 PM
I'll sell em 10 30rd mags for that coin. What a dumbass.
lol I was going to say. Might be time to sell off some of these extras that I've got laying around...
The dumbass season is among us. [roll]
Well, if anyone has a few 10 round mags they want to sell for a decent price please let me know. I only have the one mag that came with my rifle. And here in California 10 round mags are the legal limit.
Quote from: ducpainter on January 16, 2013, 01:43:45 PM
That's about the top of the limit for a single stage press.
An inexpensive way to get into it would be to go with a Lee Classic turret which should be capable of your needs and then some.
This place is the only outfit that offers that press in a kit... http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/product/productId/23840 (http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/product/productId/23840)
Of course they're out of stock...people are going way past panic, and the system is overloaded. You can build your own kit by buying what's included. You'd also need a pair of 6" calipers, dies for the calibers you want to reload, a kinetic hammer to pull bullets when you make the inevitable mistake, as well as some books. The ABC's of reloading is a good resource for the basics, and the Lyman #49 manual has loads for almost every bullet and powder.
You might want to try and find components before you buy a press. They are scarce. I'd recommend starting with plated or jacketed projectiles. Lead is trickier and isn't the best choice for a beginner without someone to show you the ropes, IMO.
Thanks for the info. I'm still doing a price comparison between a progressive and single stage rig. My goal is to do a full pricing analysis and share that with the class.
Quote from: sugarcrook on January 16, 2013, 09:27:40 PM
Thanks for the info. I'm still doing a price comparison between a progressive and single stage rig. My goal is to do a full pricing analysis and share that with the class.
I can't imagine any good reason to get a single stage setup.
I want the Dillon 550 press. 400 rounds per hour. I have a 50 lbs box of 7.62nato projectiles i bought ages ago just waiting for the day...
Single stage setup? 400 rounds per month.
Single stage is good for experimenting.
Want to change something like powder charge, or bullet seat depth? It's easy with a single stage.
I want the 550 as well. Production, baby!
Quote from: Monsterlover on January 17, 2013, 12:42:22 PM
Single stage is good for experimenting.
Want to change something like powder charge, or bullet seat depth? It's easy with a single stage.
I want the 550 as well. Production, baby!
gotcha.. i would probably not experiment too much, just find good load profiles and make a shitload of them.
I love these commercials!
Gunny & Glock - Wrong Girl - Extended Version (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2gCFOtaZPo#)
Quote from: ducatiz on January 17, 2013, 06:49:08 AM
I can't imagine any good reason to get a single stage setup.
I want the Dillon 550 press. 400 rounds per hour. I have a 50 lbs box of 7.62nato projectiles i bought ages ago just waiting for the day...
Single stage setup? 400 rounds per month.
400 rounds a month is pretty low.
I can do 100 rounds/hour on my single stage.
That said, who doesn't want a Dillon?
Troy made a gun for my boy with his name stamped in the lower. That's his on the bottom and the one they made for Kyle Lamb on top. This is from the Shot Show.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/2454f9bbf698a1de48496a078611ccd5.jpg)
Quote from: Bick on January 17, 2013, 01:39:54 PM
I love these commercials!
Gunny & Glock - Wrong Girl - Extended Version (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2gCFOtaZPo#)
I love that!! [clap] [popcorn] [bow_down] And the model 19 is my favorite G-gun. [thumbsup]
Oops?
yup ;D
Quote from: ducpainter on January 17, 2013, 03:29:40 PM
400 rounds a month is pretty low.
I can do 100 rounds/hour on my single stage.
That said, who doesn't want a Dillon?
I use the Hornady Lock-N-Load to do my high volume handgun ammo and an old single stage Lyman to customize my hunting rifle ammo
Quote from: sugarcrook on January 15, 2013, 10:14:03 PM
So if I wanted to get started loading my own ammo, what do I need to know? If you're kind enough to answer, please assume I'm an idiot.
I just started loading this summer. I have a Lee single stage press that I mainly use for .357 and .38, but .270 as well.
I was way nervous the first 3 batches, took 2.5 hours to load 50 rounds, weighing each powder load, triple checking and so on.
Now I load about 100 rounds in a little hour before going to the range. I stopped over-thinking and trusted my equipment.
While their is a lot of reliable loads for .45 and 5.56 online, get a good manual such as the current Speer or Lyman. I have several old manuals which work, but do not have load info for current powders.
Also on the .45, lead is cheaper, but some of the more current powders burn hot enough to lead plate your barrel after 50 rounds, not fun to clean. I've found that loading plated flat or hollow points are almost as accurate as my lead bbwc's and only cost $5 more per hundred (pre sandy hook) and are much more forgiving on the heat and hopped up loads.
I find it relaxing to load, its actually a fun hobby in itself.
It is relaxing to load, I will agree. :)
I find a recipe that works and stick with it. I've used Bullseye powder from the start and don't feel the need to change. I run 5gr of it for my .45 with lrn bullets and it works great, cycles the slide perfectly and doesn't lead the barrel.
For my 9mm I could find no published load data for Bullseye. I did my best to let common sense take the lead and found some numbers on the net. I took an average and tried a low/medium/high load. I tried 3.5gr, 3.8gr and 4gr. Loaded 10 rounds of each.
3.5 fired fine (no squib) but wouldn't cycle the slide to fully eject the case.
3.8 fired fine and cycled the slide for all 10 rounds.
4.0 felt the same as 3.8 and also cycled all 10. I settled on 4.0 and have run hundreds of rounds through the SR9c with no leading of the barrel, no fail to eject, no fail to feed and only a couple fail to fire (primer seat issue that was corrected by switching to cci primers)
I do not weigh each charge. I cycle the charger a bunch of times to settle the powder, dump that all back in the hopper and throw one charge and weigh it. As I don't mess with the settings or the scale it's always right there.
I'll charge 50 cases and then sometimes randomly pick one or two to check and recharge. Never an issue.
In the beginning i also intentionally double charged a case and found that it's not big enough to hold two full charges of powder. This way I don't have to worry about a double charge by accident.
Also, after i charge all 50, i take a light and look at each case, comparing the powder level to the adjacent cases.
It's all very zen
:D
I use hp 38 and titegroup.... in a .38 case you can triple charge and still have room to seat the bullet :-\
I weigh every 10th throw, I've never had it deviate more than a 10th of a grain, and since I mainly load middle of the road loads, its not an issue.
You guys should try Vihta Vouri N-320 for 9mm.
It's more money than HP-38 or Win 231 but it's way cleaner and is a single base powder and burns cooler.
I run it under plated bullets. I haven't tried lead.
My older brother was the reloader in the family and I saved all my brass for him. He ran out of time for me and became a dick... as sometimes family members can become. [roll] So no reloads for me for years. Wish that wasn't the case in these expensive times. Nothing better than saving $$$ on ammo. [thumbsup] [bacon]
.45 for about $.06ea and 9mm about $.08ea
:D
Quote from: Monsterlover on January 18, 2013, 07:14:25 PM
.45 for about $.06ea and 9mm about $.08ea
:D
At today's component prices, I don't see how you're doing that...
even with lead.
Primers alone are almost .04 ea right now at my LGS.
You can buy cheaper online, but you need to buy several thousand to offset shipping and hazmat and you'd still be at .03 ea.
'Splain to me Looocie.
The last time I bought any loading supplies was 2 years ago...
Quote from: Monsterlover on January 19, 2013, 05:05:18 AM
The last time I bought any loading supplies was 2 years ago...
That would explain some of it, but unless you cast your own, I don't think $4/50 is possible. I could be wrong.
You'll have an eye opening experience the next time. :P
Ammo, guns, magazines (except 1911 mags/not hi-cap), reloading components, even gun parts... all gone bye bye. :'( :o [roll] Happy New Year. [bang]
That's not entirely true. I'm seeing ar parts showing as available more and more. It won't take to long for things to be back in stock.
I wonder what I could sell my Stoner for right now?
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 19, 2013, 05:13:59 PM
I wonder what I could sell my Stoner for right now?
I'll give you $10 for it right now.
Cash money ;D
Quote from: Monsterlover on January 19, 2013, 05:22:27 PM
I'll give you $10 for it right now.
Cash money ;D
:D [drink]
Quote from: Monsterlover on January 19, 2013, 05:11:54 PM
That's not entirely true. I'm seeing ar parts showing as available more and more. It won't take to long for things to be back in stock.
I agree, people tend to panic....seen many cycles like this. ;)
I was thinking of the new law in NY.
All magazines greater than 10rds have to be sold out of state or destroyed within a year.
Might be a lot of magazines up for sale in the next year. 10rd mags can be modified to only hold 7 RSS but anything over 10 has to be dumped.
Let's not go there counselor...
Id expect a ton to come on the market.
On a less dangerous note of discussion I've been thinking about the cost of reloading supplies. I checked my stash and my supplies are thinner than id like. I'm good on powder but primers and lead are getting low.
I have an almost endless supply of free ammo, well actually I've paid a price for it. :D
nuthin's for nuthin'
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 19, 2013, 06:11:24 PM
I have an almost endless supply of free ammo, well actually I've paid a price for it. :D
Some people steal pens and paperclips from work...
Other people have much cooler stuff in the supply closet... [evil]
I won't tell. :-X
That's right.
You pay one way or another.
Quote from: Bick on January 19, 2013, 06:18:01 PM
Some people steal pens and paperclips from work...
Other people have much cooler stuff in the supply closet... [evil]
I won't tell. :-X
I don't need to steal it, all I need to do is go to work.
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 19, 2013, 06:22:15 PM
I don't need to steal it, all I need to do is go to work.
I wish we didn't have such limited allocations of ammo... and fuel... and... :'(
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 19, 2013, 06:11:24 PM
I have an almost endless supply of free ammo, well actually I've paid a price for it. :D
Thank you for your service and your sacrifice to protect us [thumbsup]
Quote from: Zaster on January 19, 2013, 06:34:19 PM
Thank you for your service and your sacrifice to protect us [thumbsup]
It's not a sacrifice. ;)
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 19, 2013, 06:36:57 PM
It's not a sacrifice. ;)
Not when you get unlimited range time. ;D
Quote from: DRKWNG on January 19, 2013, 06:49:12 PM
Not when you get unlimited range time. ;D
Well there is that. :D Small price to pay to be one of the worlds finest. ;)
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 19, 2013, 06:50:59 PM
Well there is that. :D Small price to pay to be one of the worlds finest. ;)
Who can't keep from rolling their vehicle into the ditch?
Quote from: DRKWNG on January 19, 2013, 06:52:26 PM
Who can't keep from rolling their vehicle into the ditch?
:D. 10 of us shot over 10k of ammo the past two days. ;)
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 19, 2013, 06:50:59 PM
Well there is that. :D Small price to pay to be one of the worlds finest. ;)
Best job in the world!
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8374/8396154483_3f6a08b8ef_c.jpg)
Quote from: Bick on January 19, 2013, 06:57:15 PM
Best job in the world!
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8374/8396154483_3f6a08b8ef_c.jpg)
[thumbsup]
Quote from: Bick on January 19, 2013, 06:57:15 PM
Best job in the world!
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8374/8396154483_3f6a08b8ef_c.jpg)
No shit.....was good seeing you in CO [thumbsup]
Quote from: Zaster on January 19, 2013, 07:04:23 PM
No shit.....was good seeing you in CO [thumbsup]
Always great to see you and Pam. [thumbsup]
Now, back to your regular scheduled program
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These guys still seem to get unlimited ammo... [evil] [evil] [evil] [evil]
Quote from: Bick on January 19, 2013, 07:12:59 PM
Always great to see you and Pam. [thumbsup]
Now, back to your regular scheduled program
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These guys still seem to get unlimited ammo... [evil] [evil] [evil] [evil]
Hell yeah they do and for good reason. ;)
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 19, 2013, 07:14:41 PM
Hell yeah they do and for good reason. ;)
No argument there. [bow_down] [bow_down] [bow_down]
Class starts Monday, I have 130k of 5.56 and 110k of 9mm for 40 students. [evil]
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 19, 2013, 07:19:48 PM
Class starts Monday, I have 130k of 5.56 and 110k of 9mm for 40 students. [evil]
Where do i sign up? ;D [laugh]
Quote from: Zaster on January 19, 2013, 07:21:14 PM
Where do i sign up? ;D [laugh]
At your friendly neighborhood recruiter.
Quote from: DRKWNG on January 19, 2013, 08:32:00 PM
At your friendly neighborhood recruiter.
Not at my age [roll]
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 19, 2013, 07:19:48 PM
Class starts Monday, I have 130k of 5.56 and 110k of 9mm for 40 students. [evil]
So it's you that's been jacking up the ammo shortage and price hike!! [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
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Quote from: kopfjäger on January 23, 2013, 04:58:34 PM
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Now that...
is a guard dog. ;D
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 23, 2013, 04:58:34 PM
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One of your new shooters that started training this week?
What glass is on that PSS?
Quote from: Bick on January 23, 2013, 05:04:41 PM
One of your new shooters that started training this week?
He's coming to SOTIC next month. :D
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 23, 2013, 05:07:18 PM
He's coming to SOTIC next month. :D
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Quote from: Bick on January 23, 2013, 05:28:04 PM
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Hell yeah. [evil]
Hopefully the dog is ok with the jump and the man doesn't wear a pee/poop stream!
JM
Got an email from ups today...
Seems my pair of ar lowers is gonna ship 5 weeks early :D
Quote from: Monsterlover on January 23, 2013, 08:22:22 PM
Got an email from ups today...
Seems my pair of ar lowers is gonna ship 5 weeks early :D
[thumbsup]
Got a call from the gun store.
Background check is done so I get to go pick up the 21 tomorrow!
No eye wear for the pooch?
Kop, can I use that pic...
Purchased a new CZ 455 Varmint in .17HMR last week....
scoped it with a Weaver T series Benchrest 36x40 AO scope...which is kind of like taping a spotting scope to your rifle
also mounted a nice Harris bipod on the front swivel button
got a 30 yard zero set on it at the indoor range on Saturday...36x at 30 yards is a bit of a challenge
had it at the outdoor range on Sunday....finished the elevation dial-in,,,,,couldn't pry it out of my son's hands...he sat there shooting and giggling for 4 hours
shooting dime-sized target pasters at 100 yards with Hornady 17 grain v-max ammo, 200 yard line was closed for repairs
Also traded an AR 15 for a friends pristine Springfield M1922 M2 training rifle in .22....haven't shot that yet got a brick of RWS 100 and a brick of Lapua Midas to dial that one in
when it gets a little warmer out...they are incredible tack drivers if they aren't abused or shot-out....this one is cherry and it is an actual M2 not a re-struck/rebuilt MI to MII version
I see more small bore in my future...
pics to follow when I get inspired
CZ makes great rifles, and pistols for that matter. Great out of the box quality at reasonable prices.
I have 2. One in .223 and a 22lr.
Does that one have the set trigger? Did you try it?
Enjoy.
Quote from: ducpainter on January 24, 2013, 06:15:40 AM
CZ makes great rifles, and pistols for that matter. Great out of the box quality at reasonable prices.
I have 2. One in .223 and a 22lr.
Does that one have the set trigger? Did you try it?
Enjoy.
No set trigger...unfortunately those went out with the 453 series at least as far as rimfires go. I think you can still get it in centerfire models I already have a 452 Lux in 22WMR that I love which is why I went to CZ again for the Varmint in .17hmr
YO Dave makes a trigger tuning kit for it so I may get there if I don't like the trigger after my son breaks it in for me :-)
I do love the CZ rimfires...you get near-Anschutz accuracy at less than half the price...and they are built like real rifles not like upgraded Pellet guns
Quote from: RAT900 on January 24, 2013, 06:06:17 AM
Purchased a new CZ 455 Varmint in .17HMR last week....
scoped it with a Weaver T series Benchrest 36x40 AO scope...which is kind of like taping a spotting scope to your rifle
also mounted a nice Harris bipod on the front swivel button
got a 30 yard zero set on it at the indoor range on Saturday...36x at 30 yards is a bit of a challenge
why am I envisioning a moment of you with this in the backyard in NC siting in the rat varmits like Carl the groundskeeper in Caddyshack in the scene night hunting for em?
Quote from: zooom on January 24, 2013, 07:15:13 AM
why am I envisioning a moment of you with this in the backyard in NC siting in the rat varmits like Carl the groundskeeper in Caddyshack in the scene night hunting for em?
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Quote from: RAT900 on January 24, 2013, 07:20:26 AM
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
you laugh...but on a scale of 1-10 (10 being 100% reality), how likely is this scenario?
11
Those 1922's bring back some memories. We were started out on 1922's, graduated to Rem 513's and then Rem 40X's. I didn't start competitive smallbore until I was a senior in highschool. Wish I could have started sooner. Made NRA Distinguished Expert the first year. Became an NRA instructor in '88 and generated several state champions and went to the National Championships at Camp Perry for 50 Yard 3 Position '06 - '09 as a coach/competitor. Its quite a sight being on the line with 200 shooters per relay.
I sold two Anshutz 1807's and my Walther GX-1, but I still have a Feinwerbau 2000 and 2600, a Rem 513 and 541-XR and a H&R M12 I picked up from the CMP at Perry.
My FWB 2600 is the front rifle.
Addicting stuff
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Quote from: ducpainter on January 24, 2013, 06:15:40 AM
CZ makes great rifles, and pistols for that matter. Great out of the box quality at reasonable prices.
I have 2. One in .223 and a 22lr.
Does that one have the set trigger? Did you try it?
Enjoy.
My good buddy with the ranch in west TX has a CZ rifle in .22mag and it's a damn tack driver! It's his spring turkey hunting rifle. I forget the scope but he has head/neck shot a pick up full of gobblers over the years with it! [thumbsup] [bow_down] Sweet little gun.
so, what is easier to mod and yet still cheap and fun to shoot?....a .17 like what Rat just got or a 10/22 ???...a Ruger 10/22 is one rifle I don't own that I have always danced around about getting one day...last time I was thinking about it, I ended up getting a lever action Henry Golden Boy .22lr with the octogon barrel instead...
mind you...this is for plinking purposes...
Nothing like a good lever action .22lr! [thumbsup] I have a Win model 94 that I will take to my grave. Since they stopped making model 94s my brother suggested a Henry... that's what he got his boys and what I ended up getting for my step son. I haven't regretted getting it for a second! Great gun and a hell of a lot cheaper than current model 94 prices.
Then again, I'll be taking my 10/22s to my grave also. ;) [bacon] [laugh]
Is there anything on this planet wrong with a .22lr rifle?
I didn't think so! ;D
Quote from: zooom on January 24, 2013, 12:33:24 PM
so, what is easier to mod and yet still cheap and fun to shoot?....a .17 like what Rat just got or a 10/22 ???...a Ruger 10/22 is one rifle I don't own that I have always danced around about getting one day...last time I was thinking about it, I ended up getting a lever action Henry Golden Boy .22lr with the octogon barrel instead...
mind you...this is for plinking purposes...
The Ruger 10/22 has a huge after-market parts supply to custom tweak your rifle to fit your exact desired pathology.
The CZ's not so much but they are getting there bit by slowly.
The 22WMR and the .17HMR are NOT cheap rounds when compared to your Jumbo Box O'Fun 22LR ammo pack from Wallyworld
As good as .22mag is it is also stupid expensive. I have a Win model 94 and an Anschutz bolt action rifle in .22mag I haven't shot in YEARS. Great guns but .22lr is just as fun and tons cheaper. Still love shooting my friend's CZ in .22mag... after all it's his ammo!! [laugh] [laugh]
Quote from: RAT900 on January 24, 2013, 12:58:16 PM
The 22WMR and the .17HMR are NOT cheap rounds when compared to your Jumbo Box O'Fun 22LR ammo pack from Wallyworld
yeah $10 and you can shoot all day and not be sore!....22lr is a big box o fun for sure!
Quote from: zooom on January 24, 2013, 01:31:18 PM
yeah $10 and you can shoot all day and not be sore!....22lr is a big box o fun for sure!
After my dad died I inherited a Marlin Papoose 22lr I had never seen. I took it to the range last month and gave it a try for the first time. Lots of fun. Though I gotta say, after firing some Magnum 00 Buck I didn't think the Papoose even fired the first time I pulled the trigger.
Picked it up today:
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Quote from: RAT900 on January 24, 2013, 12:58:16 PM
The Ruger 10/22 has a huge after-market parts supply to custom tweak your rifle to fit your exact desired pathology.
This.
I have one in a bullpup stock, and would like another. My favorite .22 of all time (I have many others).
Bulletproof too. My brother has one leaning against the wall in his shop for varmint purposes, full of machine shop grime, never been cleaned, works like a charm.
Quote from: RAT900 on January 24, 2013, 07:12:02 AM
No set trigger...unfortunately those went out with the 453 series at least as far as rimfires go. I think you can still get it in centerfire models I already have a 452 Lux in 22WMR that I love which is why I went to CZ again for the Varmint in .17hmr
YO Dave makes a trigger tuning kit for it so I may get there if I don't like the trigger after my son breaks it in for me :-)
I do love the CZ rimfires...you get near-Anschutz accuracy at less than half the price...and they are built like real rifles not like upgraded Pellet guns
My 527 FS has the set trigger. It's actually too light.
I forgot they did away with it in the 455 series.
My 452 Lux in 22LR doesn't. It's still a sweet little rifle.
I also have an old JC Higgins (marlin) single shot. It's great for pigeon duty with shotshells in the barn, and is surprisingly accurate for a 50-60 year old 22.
I seem to have gone back to the 22lr.
I needed this. ;D
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8071/8411988855_574651b744_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/32381491@N07/8411988855/)
IMAG0303.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/32381491@N07/8411988855/#) by anzalone22 (http://www.flickr.com/people/32381491@N07/), on Flickr
The round is just as much fun as it was over 20 years ago.
Next on the list is the Ruger 10/22 FS
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Quote from: RAT900 on January 24, 2013, 12:58:16 PM
The Ruger 10/22 has a huge after-market parts supply to custom tweak your rifle to fit your exact desired pathology.
The CZ's not so much but they are getting there bit by slowly.
The 22WMR and the .17HMR are NOT cheap rounds when compared to your Jumbo Box O'Fun 22LR ammo pack from Wallyworld
Ruger is starting to offer those after-market upgrades as standard parts on some of their models, like the FS. I wanted a 10/22 so bad, many years ago but I couldn't afford it. So I bought a Marlin Model 70, it was $30 less than the 10/20. I will have my 10/22.
Even 22 ammo seems to scarce these days........
Jessie running 3 guns. :)
http://youtu.be/b8iOg57ZmIE (http://youtu.be/b8iOg57ZmIE)
Quote from: The Architect on January 24, 2013, 05:44:14 PM
I seem to have gone back to the 22lr.
Even 22 ammo seems to scarce these days........
Yes everything is sold out due to current "climate" folks are stockpiling and hoarding everything
The higher end match ammos are still available but even those will get snapped up by folks when new cheap ammo resupplies don't show up
Plenty of 762x54 for your svd or nagant. I just picked up another couple of crates. 15c/rd
Quote from: zooom on January 24, 2013, 01:31:18 PM
yeah $10 and you can shoot all day and not be sore!....22lr is a big box o fun for sure!
Buddy of mine has taken 2 Deer with a 22lr this season.
Not sure how much this really relates to guns, but this is what the Milwaukee sheriff had to say. Too bad I only live close to Milwaukee county. The guy is freak'n amazing. [thumbsup]
http://fox6now.com/2013/01/25/sheriff-clarke-calling-911-and-waiting-is-no-longer-your-best-option/ (http://fox6now.com/2013/01/25/sheriff-clarke-calling-911-and-waiting-is-no-longer-your-best-option/)
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 25, 2013, 03:36:14 PM
Buddy of mine has taken 2 Deer with a 22lr this season.
Talk amongst NH F&G is that more deer have been taken over the years with 22lr than any caliber.
No tags of course. ;)
Quote from: ducpainter on January 25, 2013, 03:57:47 PM
Talk amongst NH F&G is that more deer have been taken over the years with 22lr than any caliber.
No tags of course. ;)
;)
I believe my property in east Texas is the center of the universe when it comes to poaching with .22s. Or any other caliber. The deer season is 12 months long! [laugh] No wonder I hardly ever see any deer on my place even though my step son and his Dad have two giant corn feeders there. With very little pressure what deer with good common critter sense wouldn't come back to a nice secluded corn feeder every day. Their game cameras have shown nothing but a few raccoons and one or two hogs at 3:00am.
I think of poachers every time I hear a single shot off in the distance. Who shots once out of season? Answer: poachers with .22s. [bang] >:(
Man I'm diggin that ruger sr22 with the threaded barrel
Quote from: Monsterlover on January 26, 2013, 08:51:28 AM
Man I'm diggin that ruger sr22 with the threaded barrel
Unfortunately it came out after I ordered mine.
Quote from: The Architect on January 26, 2013, 09:36:38 AM
Unfortunately it came out after I ordered mine.
Barrel swap?
ML,
You thinking about a .22 can?
Quote from: Monsterlover on January 26, 2013, 12:23:25 PM
Barrel swap?
As soon as I put some wear on this one.......
Quote from: fastwin on January 26, 2013, 02:18:07 PM
ML,
You thinking about a .22 can?
Whatever gave you that idea?
;D
Quote from: Monsterlover on January 26, 2013, 08:40:45 PM
Whatever gave you that idea?
;D
Check out the Walther can for their 22. You can order the baffles without the can.
Quote from: ducatiz on January 27, 2013, 05:33:37 AM
Check out the Walther can for their 22. You can order the baffles without the can.
Not considered a suppressor without the can?
Quote from: Monsterlover on January 27, 2013, 05:46:33 AM
Not considered a suppressor without the can?
Nope just dished sheets of metal with a .224" hole
I believe that is incorrect.
Quote from: ducatiz on January 27, 2013, 06:00:54 AM
Nope just dished sheets of metal with a .224" hole
(Insert head shake smiley)
Nice try.
I would love a suppressor but I can't bring myself to spend the time and money needed to get one. :(
especially when it's something so basic and so simple to make at home.
Quote from: The Architect on January 27, 2013, 11:17:13 AM
I would love a suppressor but I can't bring myself to spend the time and money needed to get one. :(
especially when it's something so basic and so simple to make at home.
iirc, you
can build your own for just the cost of a stamp, an approved form 1, and materials. ;D
Friend of a friend fell out of his tree stand this morning and shot himself with a .300 win mag.
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Having the safety on might have been a good idea.
Quote from: ducpainter on January 27, 2013, 04:18:43 PM
Having the safety on might have been a good idea.
No shit, self correcting mistake.
Damn....that looks nasty :o Hope he is OK. I have seen what mine can do to elk at 300 yards, he is lucky it didn't blow his leg off
Quote from: ducpainter on January 27, 2013, 04:18:43 PM
Having the safety on might have been a good idea.
First thing I thought
Quote from: Zaster on January 27, 2013, 04:37:47 PM
Damn....that looks nasty :o Hope he is OK. I have seen what mine can do to elk at 300 yards, he is lucky it didn't blow his leg off
Second thing I thought
(http://forums.nyyfans.com/images/smilies/new/jaw-dropper.gif) Hope the docs can fix him up good. Best wishes for recovery.
is it too soon for "that'll buff right out"
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 27, 2013, 04:22:13 PM
No shit, self correcting mistake.
"oops" and "sorry" are two words that do not go well with gun handling
Hamburgers.
Quote from: zach on January 27, 2013, 06:06:10 AM
I believe that is incorrect.
OK,self correction here.
Years ago, I ordered a set of the Walther baffles and they sent them to me, post from Germany. I did not own a Walther suppressor and still don't, I just wanted to examine them. I sold them to a local gun smith when I was done.
I have seen a reference lately that any part of a suppressor is a regulated part, but I cannot confirm that at this moment. But I still have the paperwork from Carl Walther, ordered it right off the German website..
Quote from: ducatiz on January 28, 2013, 05:20:05 AM
OK,self correction here.
Years ago, I ordered a set of the Walther baffles and they sent them to me, post from Germany. I did not own a Walther suppressor and still don't, I just wanted to examine them. I sold them to a local gun smith when I was done.
I have seen a reference lately that any part of a suppressor is a regulated part, but I cannot confirm that at this moment. But I still have the paperwork from Carl Walther, ordered it right off the German website..
The tube is the only registered part, but in order to replace the baffles (or modify in anyway), you are supposed to possess a Class 3 FFL, I believe.
My dealer has stainless baffles for my .22 can, and he told me he could legally replace them for me with his FFL, rather than having to send it back to the manufacturer.
Quote from: Zaster on January 27, 2013, 04:37:47 PM
Damn....that looks nasty :o Hope he is OK.
+1 Geez!
Quote from: Raux on January 27, 2013, 10:02:31 PM
is it too soon for "that'll buff right out"
you could go Monty Python with " it's just a flesh wound !!! "
kopf,
All the kidding posts aside, I hope your friend's leg will be OK. Looks really bad. Could happen to anyone. Lesson learned people. Be heads up and safe.
Hope he heals well with no complications. Thank God it wasn't a wound from the waist up. Wish him our best. [thumbsup]
That's why I won't let my step son go up or down from his tree stand with his deer rifle loaded. Or climb over a barb wire fence.
fastwin
Little be understanding of that event so we don't ridicule home, was he coming down or fell out while taking a shot or just fell?
Quote from: cokey on January 28, 2013, 12:53:33 PM
Little be understanding of that event so we don't ridicule home, was he coming down or fell out while taking a shot or just fell?
I don't know exactly what went down, I'll try and find out.
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 28, 2013, 04:15:55 PM
I don't know exactly what went down, I'll try and find out.
well at least he missed his femoral artery
or that could have been a morgue slab shot
Quote from: RAT900 on January 28, 2013, 05:24:33 PM
well at least he missed his femoral artery
or that could have been a morgue slab shot
No doubt
Quote from: fastwin on January 28, 2013, 12:46:45 PM
kopf,
All the kidding posts aside, I hope your friend's leg will be OK. Looks really bad. Could happen to anyone. Lesson learned people. Be heads up and safe.
Hope he heals well with no complications. Thank God it wasn't a wound from the waist up. Wish him our best. [thumbsup]
That's why I won't let my step son go up or down from his tree stand with his deer rifle loaded. Or climb over a barb wire fence.
fastwin
Wait, people get in and out of stands with weapons loaded?
:o
I wouldn't even consider that.
Quote from: Monsterlover on January 28, 2013, 05:57:56 PM
Wait, people get in and out of stands with weapons loaded?
:o
I wouldn't even consider that.
Not an issue if it's on safe. Also a bolt over ride.
I'm not a hunter, I have only shot my granpa's 22 when I was a kid, sometimes I peek in on this thread to get a glimpse of a world that is totally foreign to me. But I thought only bowhunters hunted from tree stands?
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 28, 2013, 05:59:53 PM
Not an issue if it's on safe. Also a bolt over ride.
I've never trusted a safety enough to do that - but I'm a real wuss when it comes to tree stands. The weapon (bow, mostly) doesn't climb up or down with me but gets roped up & down, guns are unloaded with the action open. And I'll admit to using a harness when I'm up there.
Hope your friend heals fast & recovers as much use of the leg as possible!!!!
I wonder how much of the wound was from the high velocity powder gasses vs actual bullet damage. At contact distances, that supersonic gas flow can be tremendously destructive. Best wishes to your buddy.
Looks as much as gas damage as bullet damage the way the flesh is rolled up.
JM
Quote from: WarrenJ on January 29, 2013, 08:42:04 AM
I wonder how much of the wound was from the high velocity powder gasses vs actual bullet damage. At contact distances, that supersonic gas flow can be tremendously destructive. Best wishes to your buddy.
the essence of a male response to something like this. change the forum and post that for a bunch of girls...
here we are all examining the wound and discussing the nature of the flesh rolling up... lols
Quote from: WarrenJ on January 29, 2013, 08:42:04 AM
I wonder how much of the wound was from the high velocity powder gasses vs actual bullet damage. At contact distances, that supersonic gas flow can be tremendously destructive. Best wishes to your buddy.
The rifle was laying against his leg, bullet only went an inch in, the wound is all from the over pressure of the barrel.
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 29, 2013, 06:55:47 PM
The rifle was laying against his leg, bullet only went an inch in, the wound is all from the over pressure of the barrel.
What loads? Commercial or home grown?
here we are all examining the wound and discussing the nature of the flesh rolling up... lols
Over the years, I've been around/ had a couple of powder gas injuries on a far smaller scale - that injury had the same look, just WAY bigger - I've shot and butchered lots of critters with high powered rifles - bullet holes don't look that way.
Quote from: WarrenJ on January 29, 2013, 07:29:12 PM
here we are all examining the wound and discussing the nature of the flesh rolling up... lols
Over the years, I've been around/ had a couple of powder gas injuries on a far smaller scale - that injury had the same look, just WAY bigger - I've shot and butchered lots of critters with high powered rifles - bullet holes don't look that way.
Even exit wounds caused by 12 gauge slugs?
Slugs aren't typically going as fast as a high velocity rifle bullet so you don't typically see big coffee can sized smoking hole exits with slugs. Some of the new expanding sabot style slugs might have different terminal effects. With a high velocity expanding rifle bullet, you typically see a cavity and torn/pulverized tissue blown out, this wound looked like it was gouged out of the leg, which it was, mainly by the force of the supersonic powder gasses.
Slugs typically don't have as much tissue damage as an expanding high velocity rifle bullet, unless you hit big bones, then all bets are off. There are so many variables with terminal effects that
its hard to make any hard and fast statements about performance that you can't poke a lot of holes in.
A slug's main claim to fame is its large frontal area and large mass. It is going around 1000 fps or more slower than a typical rifle bullet. It has a lot of momentum, mediocre sectional density (except in the case of some sabots) and relatively low kinetic energy, where a good rifle bullet is faster, has better sectional density and has higher kinetic energy (and typically less frontal area, etc)
^ this... I'm a shotgun guy. WJ is right. [thumbsup] [bacon] [popcorn]
Quote from: ducpainter on January 27, 2013, 04:18:43 PM
Having the safety on might have been a good idea.
Stupid is as stupid does.
Quote from: hbliam on January 31, 2013, 04:56:55 PM
Stupid is as stupid does.
It would take me all day to post the number of Cops that do this, all make the beast with two backsing day. :D
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Cop-Justin-McGowan-OC-Sports-Grill-176631481.html (http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Cop-Justin-McGowan-OC-Sports-Grill-176631481.html)
That's gonna leave a mark. [roll]
Drinking and guns sounds fun at first until they go off... cop or not. [bang]
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 31, 2013, 05:08:21 PM
It would take me all day to post the number of Cops that do this, all make the beast with two backsing day. :D
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Cop-Justin-McGowan-OC-Sports-Grill-176631481.html (http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Cop-Justin-McGowan-OC-Sports-Grill-176631481.html)
is that cause you type really slow or...?
Quote from: ducatiz on January 31, 2013, 05:32:40 PM
is that cause you type really slow or...?
:D [drink]
Quote from: ducatiz on January 31, 2013, 05:32:40 PM
is that cause you type really slow or...?
I don't think that's where he was going. [laugh] I'm the slow typer on this board. [cheeky] Thank God for aspell check!
Oops! ;D
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 31, 2013, 05:40:32 PM
:D [drink]
[wine]
Quote from: fastwin on January 31, 2013, 05:46:29 PM
I don't think that's where he was going. [laugh] I'm the slow typer on this board. [cheeky] Thank God for aspell check!
Oops! ;D
>shakes cane and clucks bridge at you<
[laugh] [laugh]
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 31, 2013, 05:08:21 PM
It would take me all day to post the number of Cops that do this, all make the beast with two backsing day. :D
No argument there. And I'd say the same thing to them. Stupid.
In the last ten years I've worked at two agencies. At the first one I know a training officer that was shot in the leg by his rookie, a swat officer shot in the gut by a member of his team, a classmate that shot his partner in the arm during a gunfight, several rookies that AD'd in the parking lot and at home, and one of my present Sgt's AD'd in the station last month. We are still mocking him.
I know for a while, Richard Davis from Second Chance Body Armor was making kevlar police holsters because there were so many police AD's while holstering their guns. The holster was made to capture the bullet. It didn't sell well because most people don't want to admit that it is a problem. I saw him demo it - it worked.
Monty Python - Trouble at the Mill/BBC comedy sketch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLDVIViWW74#)
Quote from: hbliam on January 31, 2013, 11:45:34 PM
No argument there. And I'd say the same thing to them. Stupid.
In the last ten years I've worked at two agencies. At the first one I know a training officer that was shot in the leg by his rookie, a swat officer shot in the gut by a member of his team, a classmate that shot his partner in the arm during a gunfight, several rookies that AD'd in the parking lot and at home, and one of my present Sgt's AD'd in the station last month. We are still mocking him.
Complacency with deadly weapons....well it can have deadly results....
I think it is an unfortunate aspect of human behavior that familiarity creates a mindset
that can be neglectful....whether it is a marriage/relationship, or something like a gun
if not regarded with care they can both turn deadly ;)
Marriage and guns are a bad combo. Bad juju. You can safely holster a gun but not a marriage. Did I just say that? Shit... don't tell my wife! She might shoot me! ;D
Quote from: RAT900 on February 01, 2013, 09:18:06 AM
Complacency with deadly weapons....well it can have deadly results....
Glock Leg isn't just about complacency. Bad holster design is a big part of it. I have an IWB holster for my Glock that the opening has started to curve in, and could easily pull the trigger. It will never be used again, and the only reason it isn't trashed is that I'm considering sending it back to the manufacturer.
We did have an epic negligent discharge by one officer. Luckily no one was injured, and he was suspended for a very long time. Long enough that he had to get a new job.
Quote from: zach on February 01, 2013, 12:35:04 PM
Glock Leg isn't just about complacency. Bad holster design is a big part of it.
Bad gun design is a bigger part of it. If there was a safety it wouldn't matter if the holster was perfect or not.
Quote from: hbliam on February 01, 2013, 12:50:10 PM
Bad gun design is a bigger part of it. If there was a safety it wouldn't matter if the holster was perfect or not.
I agree....that paired with my personal preference of an external hammer...hence why I like my 1911's so much....
Quote from: hbliam on February 01, 2013, 12:50:10 PM
Bad gun design is a bigger part of it. If there was a safety it wouldn't matter if the holster was perfect or not.
Glock claims 65% of PD's in the US use their product.
If that figure is accurate how bad can the design be?
Seems to me it's simple negligence.
Keep in mind I'm not a Glock guy
Quote from: zach on February 01, 2013, 12:35:04 PM
Glock Leg isn't just about complacency. Bad holster design is a big part of it. I have an IWB holster for my Glock that the opening has started to curve in, and could easily pull the trigger. It will never be used again, and the only reason it isn't trashed is that I'm considering sending it back to the manufacturer.
We did have an epic negligent discharge by one officer. Luckily no one was injured, and he was suspended for a very long time. Long enough that he had to get a new job.
Have a friend that's a private investigator. We worked at the criminal courthouse together. He was an ex-DA investigator. He's a damn sharp gun guy. But he parked his Glock 19 for good when he capped off a round putting it into his IWB holster. Somehow the trigger got snagged. Thankfully no injury... just ventilated pants and hurt ego.
He went back to a .45acp Commander size 1911. Cocked & locked seemed safer at the time. ;)
Shit happens to even savvy/seasoned folks.
Quote from: fastwin on February 01, 2013, 02:40:40 PM
Have a friend that's a private investigator. We worked at the criminal courthouse together. He was an ex-DA investigator. He's a damn sharp gun guy. But he parked his Glock 19 for good when he capped off a round putting it into his IWB holster. Somehow the trigger got snagged. Thankfully no injury... just ventilated pants and hurt ego.
He went back to a .45acp Commander size 1911. Cocked & locked seemed safer at the time. ;)
Shit happens to even savvy/seasoned folks.
I'd argue that it only happens when they get complacent.
The design of the Glock safety keeps me from buying one. I can see why there are plenty of ADs with them.
JM
You guys are killing me. [bang]
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 01, 2013, 04:14:53 PM
You guys are killing me. [bang]
This. Tab wearers have tons of hours on Glocks with VERY few incidents of negligent discharges.
Quote from: zooom on February 01, 2013, 12:57:29 PM
I agree....that paired with my personal preference of an external hammer...hence why I like my 1911's so much....
I'll second that!
I'm not killing anyone... at least not yet. [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] OK... that is a serious joke. ;) Is there such a thing as a serious joke? :)
And I am a Glock fan. J. Browning's Hi-Power and 1911s don't hurt my feelings either. [thumbsup] [bow_down] For that matter I love Ruger and S&W wheelguns. That doesn't make me a bad person right? [cheeky]
Quote from: hbliam on January 31, 2013, 11:45:34 PM
No argument there. And I'd say the same thing to them. Stupid.
In the last ten years I've worked at two agencies. At the first one I know a training officer that was shot in the leg by his rookie, a swat officer shot in the gut by a member of his team, a classmate that shot his partner in the arm during a gunfight, several rookies that AD'd in the parking lot and at home, and one of my present Sgt's AD'd in the station last month. We are still mocking him.
My First Desk Pop - The Other Guys (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo9tLrOHXH4#)
"Desk pop"... gotta love that! [laugh]
Everyone eventually has an AD. Mine was 20+ years ago with a SIG .308 AMT. Who the hell hid that single round in what seemed like an empty magazine? [bang] Just a simple dry fire before putting it back in the safe after cleaning it. At least I aimed it low and in a safe direction. Learn from my dumbass mistake. No magazines in guns as they go into the safe... and triple check the chamber.
No... check it four times. [thumbsup]
Chamber, mag well, bolt face, chamber.
Oh and I've never had and will not ever have an AD.
Thank God we can all learn from our make the beast with two backs ups. And thankfully no one gets hurt. Pride is cheap and it doesn't bleed.
Quote from: fastwin on February 01, 2013, 08:02:23 PM
Thank God we can all learn from our make the beast with two backs ups. And thankfully no one gets hurt. Pride is cheap and it doesn't bleed.
In my line of work I'd be done if I ever had an AD. That's why it won't ever happen and if you have one on my range, you're done. Bye bye.
Know the condition of your weapon at all times. It's not difficult.
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 01, 2013, 08:09:26 PM
Know the condition of your weapon at all times. It's not difficult.
Sounds like you might have been to a range once or twice in your life. ;D
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 01, 2013, 08:09:26 PM
Know the condition of your weapon at all times. It's not difficult.
Well said, if you cherish your life ;D
Quote from: Bick on February 01, 2013, 08:13:44 PM
Sounds like you might have been to a range once or twice in your life. ;D
:D
Quote from: DRKWNG on February 01, 2013, 04:16:57 PM
This. Tab wearers have tons of hours on Glocks with VERY few incidents of negligent discharges.
Simple statistics. Cops generally carry more hours (basically 40+ hours a week for 30 years) and holster and unholster their weapons more times per day then the military. I holster/unholster 6-10 times a night on average depending on how many people I take to jail (can't take guns in a jail).
The classmate I mentioned that shot his partner in the gunfight? Military. The SWAT guy that shot his teammate? Military. Neither were glocks. Just stupid mistakes. Both were kicked off the special teams they were on.
Quote from: ducpainter on February 01, 2013, 02:14:21 PM
Glock claims 65% of PD's in the US use their product.
If that figure is accurate how bad can the design be?
Seems to me it's simple negligence.
Keep in mind I'm not a Glock guy
They use them because they are cheap, because they don't need much maintenance, and because they are simple. Most agencies in Southern California let you use what you want from an approved list. 90% of my agency and my last agency carry 1911's.
LAPD issues glocks. LASD does not. It all depends on what the range master likes.
[laugh] [laugh] I holstered and un holstered my (unsafe Glock) over 100 times just today.
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 01, 2013, 08:33:24 PM
[laugh] [laugh] I holstered and un holstered my (unsafe Glock) over 100 times just today.
You aren't in the average job in the military.
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 01, 2013, 08:33:24 PM
[laugh] [laugh] I holstered and un holstered my (unsafe Glock) over 100 times just today.
We still have M9's. I wish they gave us Glock's.
Quote from: Bick on February 01, 2013, 08:48:47 PM
We still have M9's. I wish they gave us Glock's.
They're coming, it'll probably take a few years before they get to you guys.
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 01, 2013, 08:54:33 PM
They're coming, it'll probably take a few years before they get to you guys.
Yes, us lowly Guard guys have to wait for the hand-me-downs. :(
Quote from: hbliam on February 01, 2013, 08:25:44 PM
Simple statistics. Cops generally carry more hours (basically 40+ hours a week for 30 years) and holster and unholster their weapons more times per day then the military.
Guess you either didn't notice that I said tab wearers, or don't have a clue as to the demographic that refers to.
Quote from: DRKWNG on February 01, 2013, 09:03:58 PM
Guess you either didn't notice that I said tab wearers, or don't have a clue as to the demographic that refers to.
My father in law is a tab wearer.
Isn't the average time of service in the military around ten years?
Quote from: hbliam on February 01, 2013, 09:09:34 PM
My father in law is a tab wearer.
Isn't the average time of service in the military around ten years?
Not in that community.
Quote from: DRKWNG on February 01, 2013, 09:17:10 PM
Not in that community.
True, he did 20+.
All I am saying is statistically cops handle firearms more often so of course they would have more AD's. And you would need to compare your tab wearers with specialized units of the police to have a more accurate comparison. Of course the best of the best have less AD's.
LAPD, LASD, and LBPD (3 biggest agencies in LA County) SWAT/SEB all carry 1911's.
Back to guns. Glock even. I have a G36 I'm going to list in the classifieds. What are they worth these days? With three mags, with mag holder and hoster.
Quote from: hbliam on February 01, 2013, 09:31:03 PM
Back to guns. Glock even. I have a G36 I'm going to list in the classifieds. What are they worth these days? With three mags, with mag holder and hoster.
(Start of joke)
The way things are going these day, you should get about $6,000 for that.
(End of joke)
Last I checked we are all still human... OK, most of us. [laugh] Ergo, being human, we all screw up. But it is nice to be able to learn from other carbon based, bipedal, air breathing life form's mistakes. ;) So much to learn, so little time.
And kopf is right. Know the condition of your weapon. 'nuff said. [thumbsup]
Quote from: The Architect on February 02, 2013, 04:42:05 AM
(Start of joke)
The way things are going these day, you should get about $6,000 for that.
(End of joke)
I'll give you $7,000 but only if it comes with a 100 rnd C-Mag! [laugh]
Should this go here or the beer thread? [cheeky]
(http://www.tacticalfanboy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/download1.jpg)
Quote from: DucNaked on February 02, 2013, 05:37:01 PM
Should this go here or the beer thread? [cheeky]
(http://www.tacticalfanboy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/download1.jpg)
Group Buy?
A must if you want to drink the good beer ;D [drink]
Quote from: Bick on February 02, 2013, 05:38:33 PM
Group Buy?
We should hold off until the TBO.2 is released with an IR Laser!
Gasses hurt...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q57Q72uisGI&feature=youtube_gdata_player (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q57Q72uisGI&feature=youtube_gdata_player)
Quote from: hbliam on January 31, 2013, 11:45:34 PM
No argument there. And I'd say the same thing to them. Stupid.
In the last ten years I've worked at two agencies. At the first one I know a training officer that was shot in the leg by his rookie, a swat officer shot in the gut by a member of his team, a classmate that shot his partner in the arm during a gunfight, several rookies that AD'd in the parking lot and at home, and one of my present Sgt's AD'd in the station last month. We are still mocking him.
He shouldn't be around to be mocked.
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 09, 2013, 05:56:17 PM
He shouldn't be around to be mocked.
So if a Marine AD's he gets discharged?
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8237/8459341958_080b6a86e4_b.jpg)
[evil]
If Thts put together by hand, someones got arthritis
http://vimeo.com/m/29278289 (http://vimeo.com/m/29278289)
coool vid
I want a belt-fed sporting rifle
Quote from: Bick on February 10, 2013, 01:52:46 PM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8237/8459341958_080b6a86e4_b.jpg)
Quote from: Bick on February 10, 2013, 01:52:46 PM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8237/8459341958_080b6a86e4_b.jpg)
Now that's a pretty sight. ;)
Interesting. Some fairly graphic images.
9mm vs .45 vs Rifle A Dr's View of Gunshot Wounds (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tku8YI68-JA#)
A few more from fun day...
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8389/8472181862_54f953b694_z.jpg)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8242/8472181724_c37e480e10_c.jpg)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8513/8471086473_7b7500295f_c.jpg)
[evil]
The Mosin has a name...
небольшой поршневой наÑоÑ. ;D
Quote from: ducpainter on February 14, 2013, 02:59:47 PM
The Mosin has a name...
небольшой поршневой наÑоÑ. ;D
You couldn't have just gone with Lucille or something?
;D
Quote from: ducpainter on February 14, 2013, 02:59:47 PM
The Mosin has a name...
небольшой поршневой наÑоÑ. ;D
How do you pronounce that?
Quote from: ducatiz on February 14, 2013, 03:36:52 PM
http://www.practicalenvironmentalist.com/automobiles/subaru-diesel-cars-usa.htm (http://www.practicalenvironmentalist.com/automobiles/subaru-diesel-cars-usa.htm)
subaru has diesel flat sixes overseas
That's interesting...
it is the wrong thread though. [laugh]
Quote from: ducatiz on February 14, 2013, 03:35:31 PM
"Jackass"
I pronounce it donkey...'cuz it kicks like one. ;)
Quote from: ducatiz on February 14, 2013, 03:35:31 PM
"Jackass"
That is so sweet to have named it after me! ;D
Quote from: Bick on February 14, 2013, 03:52:30 PM
That is so sweet to have named it after me! ;D
I've never considered you a Jack...
My late dad was called Jackass #1 by all his buddies. They'd call on the phone and ask "Where is Jackass #1??". Always cracked me up as a kid.
On his 50th birthday my late Mom and I had pendants made up with an image of a jackass and #1 after it. It was a surprise party and everyone had a pendant to wave in his face! [laugh] To top it off my sister and I bought him a donkey (couldn't find a full size jackass) and had it in the backyard when he got home. It was a "two fer"... we had no idea the animal was preggers. Dad named the donkey after my Mom and the little one that came later was named after her sister! [laugh]
I inherited a lot of the jackass in him. [bang] Damn proud for the gift! RIP Dad.
http://youtu.be/qxtHtPK2MH8 (http://youtu.be/qxtHtPK2MH8)
ASSAULT SLINGSHOT!!!
I'm glad our president finally spoke out about the cause of the gun violence in Chicago. It's obviously not created by guns but by the kids who lack a father figure in their lives...having 10 kids by 11 different guys and no father figure is not good
Not meant to be a political statement but I'm sure ducpainter will let me know if it is ;D
Shouldn't that be 11 kids by 10 different guys? [laugh]
Man things have dried up. Have a good friend who couldn't find a Ruger MKIII .22lr auto pistol at gun stores in his home town. Finally found one on line... actually bought two and had them shipped to a FFL near his home.
Heck, I'm having trouble finding Ruger MKII magazines in my home town. Ten round .22lr mags for Christ sake.[bang]
Received an email ad from Natchez Shooters Supply regarding a #4 & 00 buckshot sale. They have put a 20 box max (5 rnds/box) restriction on orders. Jeez... [roll] Crazy times.
Speaking of my above post... here's the stupid question of the day: Does anyone know of any manufacturer, dealer, distributor, etc. that still has any complete/drop in replacement .223 AR-15 bolts for sale? I have always liked having a spare complete/drop in bolt handy. Picked up an extra upper from a friend and used my spare bolt in that. So I am looking for another complete/drop in back up.
Wilson, Brownells, DPMS, etc. have nada, zip, nothing. Don't want to play the Craigslist, Ebay game. Just looking for a straight up buy from a reputable source.
Thanks ahead of time! [thumbsup]
I got lucky and found them at Fulton Armory yesterday. I ordered two for $180 each. Still high, but they looked to be coated with something. They sold out in a few hours. They still have some for side chargers though. We are doing two builds for my wife, She's getting into 3 Gun matches with Ronr.
Quote from: fastwin on February 16, 2013, 03:00:00 PM
Speaking of my above post... here's the stupid question of the day: Does anyone know of any manufacturer, dealer, distributor, etc. that still has any complete/drop in replacement .223 AR-15 bolts for sale? I have always liked having a spare complete/drop in bolt handy. Picked up an extra upper from a friend and used my spare bolt in that. So I am looking for another complete/drop in back up.
Wilson, Brownells, DPMS, etc. have nada, zip, nothing. Don't want to play the Craigslist, Ebay game. Just looking for a straight up buy from a reputable source.
Thanks ahead of time! [thumbsup]
Id start browsing ar-15.com. That's what I've been doing and I've learned a lot about the ar platform. They have an "in stock ____________" thread for just about every component with minute by minute accounts of who's got what and when stock runs out someone will post.
Z & ML,
Thanks guys for the heads up! [thumbsup] I seem to be a day late and a dollar short on my search for the Holy Grail of AR parts. [bang] I will keep looking. If I find any I might get two. They are bound to show back up sooner or later.
fastwin
Quote from: fastwin on February 16, 2013, 06:41:11 PM
Z & ML,
Thanks guys for the heads up! [thumbsup] I seem to be a day late and a dollar short on my search for the Holy Grail of AR parts. [bang] I will keep looking. If I find any I might get two. They are bound to show back up sooner or later.
fastwin
It will calm down eventually
Just scored a http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_783001_-1_757954_757781_757781_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y (http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_783001_-1_757954_757781_757781_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y)
all is well :D
Quote from: Zaster on February 16, 2013, 07:30:54 PM
Just scored a http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_783001_-1_757954_757781_757781_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y (http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_783001_-1_757954_757781_757781_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y)
all is well :D
[thumbsup]
Quote from: Zaster on February 16, 2013, 07:30:54 PM
Just scored a http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_783001_-1_757954_757781_757781_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y (http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_783001_-1_757954_757781_757781_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y)
all is well :D
Nice piece but that msrp....
Holy shit.
Quote from: Monsterlover on February 16, 2013, 07:36:54 PM
Nice piece but that msrp....
Holy shit.
Paid way less than that through an auction ;D
Quote from: Zaster on February 16, 2013, 07:30:54 PM
Just scored a http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_783001_-1_757954_757781_757781_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y (http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_783001_-1_757954_757781_757781_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y)
all is well :D
Here you go.
https://apextactical.com/store/product-list.php?pg1-cid11.html (https://apextactical.com/store/product-list.php?pg1-cid11.html)
Quote from: DRKWNG on February 16, 2013, 07:41:17 PM
Here you go.
https://apextactical.com/store/product-list.php?pg1-cid11.html (https://apextactical.com/store/product-list.php?pg1-cid11.html)
Thanks for the info [thumbsup]
I should have my ffl approved in a few weeks after my interview.
Maybe next time i post a group by for AR receivers for $40 people will jump in. [thumbsup]
Quote from: ducatiz on February 17, 2013, 04:57:33 AM
I should have my ffl approved in a few weeks after my interview.
Maybe next time i post a group by for AR receivers for $40 people will jump in. [thumbsup]
I'm not sure I could even buy the material for $40
Quote from: ducatiz on February 17, 2013, 04:57:33 AM
I should have my ffl approved in a few weeks after my interview.
Maybe next time i post a group by for AR receivers for $40 people will jump in. [thumbsup]
i'd certainly be in.
Is this the classifieds? [evil]
No more $40 receivers now. Last price LRB had was 100 each.
Quote from: ducatiz on February 17, 2013, 05:44:23 PM
No more $40 receivers now. Last price LRB had was 100 each.
Doesn't really matter...
we won't be doing group buys in this thread...regardless of price.
Wasn't offering one.
Quote from: ducatiz on February 17, 2013, 04:57:33 AM
I should have my ffl approved in a few weeks after my interview.
Maybe next time i post a group by for AR receivers for $40 people will jump in. [thumbsup]
Quote from: ducatiz on February 17, 2013, 05:50:22 PM
Wasn't offering one.
really?
Nope.
Took my 11 year old son to the gun club for a semi annual swap meet. After looking over the tables of goodness we sat down to grab lunch.
As we were waiting for sandwiches to be made, my son taps me on the hand and directs my attention to the table next to us. I look over my left shoulder and instantly my blood starts to boil. I am looking down the barrel of a revolver that the ASSHOLE at the next table is showing his buddy.
"ARE YOU REALLY POINTING YOUR make the beast with two backsING REVOLVER AT ME RIGHT NOW?" were the words that came out. He didnt say anything, no apology, nuthin. He was some cocky little redneck marine. Not sure if he was smart enough to be embarassed. He put the pistol back in its case.
Unbemake the beast with two backsinglievable.
Yikes!
safe gun handling unfortunately is not a big item in the modern era among far too many private owners
a few hours spent at a public range will make that abundantly obvious
AR's - if you can find them - are getting to stupidly overpriced for what they are.
Instead, I think it is time to start saving up for a very proper and practical hunting rifle. ;D
(http://gastatic.com/UserImages/156190/923295441/wm_4747098.jpg)
[evil]
Quote from: Bick on February 18, 2013, 05:09:29 AM
AR's - if you can find them - are getting to stupidly overpriced for what they are.
Instead, I think it is time to start saving up for a very proper and practical hunting rifle. ;D
(http://gastatic.com/UserImages/156190/923295441/wm_4747098.jpg)
[evil]
Squirrels or engine blocks?
;D
Quote from: Monsterlover on February 18, 2013, 05:11:10 AM
Squirrels or engine blocks?
;D
Antelope hunting in Wyoming... from the comforts of home. ;D
Quote from: Bick on February 18, 2013, 05:13:12 AM
Antelope hunting in Wyoming... from the comforts of home. ;D
:D
...and if you can't shoot, but want to hunt... [roll]
http://www.military.com/video/guns/rifles/tracking-point-precision-guided-firearm/2144415065001/ (http://www.military.com/video/guns/rifles/tracking-point-precision-guided-firearm/2144415065001/)
Quote from: ducpainter on February 18, 2013, 05:16:34 AM
...and if you can't shoot, but want to hunt... [roll]
http://www.military.com/video/guns/rifles/tracking-point-precision-guided-firearm/2144415065001/ (http://www.military.com/video/guns/rifles/tracking-point-precision-guided-firearm/2144415065001/)
Now that is just taking the fun out of it. [roll]
But I want one! ;D
It definitely takes most of the skill out of it...
I can see where it would still be fun.
Sounds like MotoGP electonics overkill has spilled over to rifles. [roll] Do we even need riders or shooters anymore? Everyone can sit on the couch at home watching cartoons on TV and get the job done. Neat stuff for sure, I can appreciate that. But I'm going to fix a Bloody Mary, turn off the TV and go sit outside...
Quote from: fastwin on February 18, 2013, 05:43:37 AM
Sounds like MotoGP electonics overkill has spilled over to rifles. [roll] Do we even need riders or shooters anymore? Everyone can sit on the couch at home watching cartoons on TV and get the job done. Neat stuff for sure, I can appreciate that. But I'm going to fix a Bloody Mary, turn off the TV and go sit outside...
It's like most things in life these days...
it gets dumbed down to the lowest common denominator.
What happened to the live game hunting through a game console that was being worked on a few years ago?
(Add to the list of dumb ideas to come out of obsurd laziness)
Quote from: ducpainter on February 18, 2013, 05:53:08 AM
It's like most things in life these days...
it gets dumbed down to the lowest common denominator.
Got that right. ;)
Quote from: Bick on February 18, 2013, 05:13:12 AM
Antelope hunting in Wyoming... from the comforts of home while wearing a snuggie. ;D
fixed it for ya!
Not directly gun related, but...
So that others may live
http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/inside-combat-rescue/?utm_source=Military&utm_medium=HighImpact&utm_campaign=InsideCombatRescue (http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/inside-combat-rescue/?utm_source=Military&utm_medium=HighImpact&utm_campaign=InsideCombatRescue)
Just saw a 2gauge punt gun for the first time... couldn't they just call it a cannon..
Quote from: cokey on February 18, 2013, 11:12:43 PM
Just saw a 2gauge punt gun for the first time... couldn't they just call it a cannon..
I had to look that up...Wholly WOW that is friggin huge!
Not the ideal piece for CC.
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h71/DogByte6RER/113-956x737_zps1be2eca7.jpg)
[evil]
For ducks, right?
Yea the whole flock lol
Makes my messed up right shoulder hurt just looking at that picture! ;)
Quote from: Monsterlover on February 19, 2013, 05:34:44 AM
For ducks, right?
Hell yeah, if I see someone pull one of those out I am going to duck! [laugh]
Or maybe for this:
(http://images.thenews.com.pk/updates_pics/1-6-2013_82634_l.jpg)
[evil]
I'm guessing these guys are a little bit taller than the average IZ_.
The Gun Nuts: Firing a 2-Gauge Punt Gun (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzwbcVbE9rw#)
Saw off the barrel and it would make great concealed carry gun! [laugh] Ka-boom town!
Punt Guns were pretty common in my area during the market hunting days. One of the most interesting ones I saw was an over under with the bottom barrel fired by percussion cap and the top barrel fired by flintlock - both fired at the same time by a single trigger - the thought being that the percussion barrel would sluice a pile of the ducks on the water and the slightly slower ignition of the flintlock would catch some of the survivors during their first wingbeat up off the water.
Question for the RSO's:
I went to a indoor range in the 'burbs today after a meeting. I had my G17 and 9mm AR SBR. They told me since I had an AR I needed to shoot on the rifle range (+$7 more than the pistol range). I pointed out that it was a 9mm with a 5" barrel, to which I was told it's still a "long gun."
I didn't make any more of it, but I was curious what others thought. None of the other indoor ranges I go to mind that AR on the pistol side.
As there gets to be more rules and bureaucracy, it becomes less and less likely to encounter common sense. It just isn't allowed any more. I like the rules at my range - I walk out the back door and shoot.
Quote from: stateprez on February 22, 2013, 11:12:18 AM
Question for the RSO's:
I went to a indoor range in the 'burbs today after a meeting. I had my G17 and 9mm AR SBR. They told me since I had an AR I needed to shoot on the rifle range (+$7 more than the pistol range). I pointed out that it was a 9mm with a 5" barrel, to which I was told it's still a "long gun."
I didn't make any more of it, but I was curious what others thought. None of the other indoor ranges I go to mind that AR on the pistol side.
well, even you describe it as a SBR / short barreled rifle.
in the end, it's their range and their rules. if you don't like 'em, vote with your (seven) dollars and go elsewhere.
Quote from: derby on February 22, 2013, 12:38:42 PM
well, even you describe it as a SBR / short barreled rifle.
in the end, it's their range and their rules. if you don't like 'em, vote with your (seven) dollars and go elsewhere.
Yeah, I get that- I'm a capitalist.
Next time I'll just pull the stock off and call it a pistol. [thumbsup]
Quote from: derby on February 22, 2013, 12:38:42 PM
well, even you describe it as a SBR / short barreled rifle.
in the end, it's their range and their rules. if you don't like 'em, vote with your (seven) dollars and go elsewhere.
SBR is just a legal term.
Put a stock on a Glock pistol and its an SBR by definition.
But it is their range. They can be ignorant all they want.
What's the advantage of the SBR?
Maneuverability?
Quote from: I Lose on February 22, 2013, 04:21:40 PM
What's the advantage of the SBR?
Maneuverability?
Depends on the system. A handgun with a rifle style stock is easier to control and more accurate with appropriate training. For an AR type rifle it is mostly portability and yes manoeuvrability.
Need to look for a gun safe to lock away my acquisitions. ;D
What can you recommend or advise against?
Pros and cons on mechanical or electronic locks.
Thanks in advance
RCBS rock chucker supreme is following me home tonight. Let the games begin!
Quote from: Zaster on February 28, 2013, 06:51:30 PM
Need to look for a gun safe to lock away my acquisitions. ;D
What can you recommend or advise against?
Pros and cons on mechanical or electronic locks.
Thanks in advance
Always a fan of the Browning/Pro Steel safes... previously they were just Pro Steel safes out of Utah until Browning bought the company years ago. I also like to use Golden Rod dehumidifiers.
http://www.goldenroddehumidifiers.com/ (http://www.goldenroddehumidifiers.com/)
That Rockchucker is the beginning of a slippery slope! My reloading room, after almost 35 years of reloading has a singe station press, a turret press, two progressive presses, 3 bullet swaging presses and 6 shotgun presses. Its a sickness - You've been warned!
Quote from: WarrenJ on March 01, 2013, 10:48:33 AM
That Rockchucker is the beginning of a slippery slope! My reloading room, after almost 35 years of reloading has a singe station press, a turret press, two progressive presses, 3 bullet swaging presses and 6 shotgun presses. Its a sickness - You've been warned!
does this mean you spend more time loading and reloading than actually shooting?
Quote from: DW on March 01, 2013, 09:53:29 AM
RCBS rock chucker supreme is following me home tonight. Let the games begin!
It's what I'm running right now.
It's a great press...rugged as hell.
The only thing I don't like about the rockchucker is the spent primer catcher. You'll be chasing some around. ;)
What's the difference between the turret style and progressive?
Quote from: Monsterlover on March 01, 2013, 11:07:18 AM
What's the difference between the turret style and progressive?
A turret you can manually, or automatically on some models, advance the turret and you get one round every 4 pulls of the handle...or however many dies you have on your turret.
A full progressive you get one round per pull of the handle and it advances by itself.
Yeah, slippery slope indeed. I've got a good mentor to show me the ropes. He exhibits all the symptoms you just described.
It's like a big boy chemistry set!
If I didn't reload, I wouldn't be able to afford to shoot as much as I do. When my wife and I were shooting hard competitively, we were burning between 30 and 40K rounds a year. No way I could have afforded to do that on factory ammo. The other issue is that there isn't a lot of factory ammunition that will do some of things I want to accomplish, so loading custom ammo is the only way.
I also make special low drag jacketed rifle bullets, so reloading is the only way they will work unless I want to throw them. I started making low drags when the only long range match bullets were the Sierra Matchkings and some rare Lapua bullets. Now there are a number of excellent low drag bullets on the market, so I don't make many of them except for my own use. Plus the current prices for bullet jackets is about $0.40 each so I'd have to charge more than I'd be willing to pay.
Warren...how do the Nosler match bullets compare to the Sierra in .223...52/53gr ?
How come 6 shotgun presses? And wats the average savings you see with reloading it?
I don't have any first hand experience with the lighter Nosler bullets, but if the 69 grain Match Noslers are any indication, they should be excellent. I have had nothing but great results with the Nosler match bullets. They are priced right ( if you can still find them) and they shoot every bit as good as anything out there. I really wish CZ would come out with their 223's with a 1 in 9 twist bbl so we could use heavier bullets. Its the only drawback to those rifles. I have one and its a great light bullet gun. I did swage a batch of short, blunt bullets for it once, IIRC they were 73 grains. They shot great and hit real hard but I haven't gotten back to making any more - its on the list of to-do's. Stilll only a 300 yard bullet or so with its blunt shape, but it added a fair amount of thump over the 55's. I'd like to try it on coyotes to compare it to the lighter bullets.
As far as shotgun presses - I have a manual 12 ga press, another one set up for reloading slugs and other specialty ammo, a semi progressive 12 ga, a fully progressive 12 ga, a manual press for 28 ga and my wife's press - a progressive 20 ga. I just have one on the bench at a time and the rest on a shelf so I can swap them out when needed. With the current price of shot, I'm not sure of the savings. I do think that my reloads perform better than the cheaper shells out there, so if you compare them to ammunition of similar performance, I think I still come out ahead. I haven't been doing a lot of shotgunning lately so my usage is down a bit. I certainly save loading 28 ga as they are a bit rarer and more expensive, while loading costs for them aren't affected.
We used to load our 00 buck for Bowling Pin competition and other combat matches, and some slugs which saved quite a bit. My wife used to burn up 1000 rnds of Winchester 00 Buck and 500 rounds of slugs at the Second Chance Match alone, so reloading made quite a bit of difference. Now I just load shotshells primarily for skeet, sporting clays and a bit of hunting.
CZ 527 varmint has a 1:9 twist
Quote from: ollie on March 01, 2013, 07:44:27 PM
CZ 527 varmint has a 1:9 twist
Was just going to post that.
http://cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-527-varmint/ (http://cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-527-varmint/)
Anyone have a Ruger M77?
http://www.ruger.com/products/gunsiteScoutRifle/index.html (http://www.ruger.com/products/gunsiteScoutRifle/index.html)
I like this Scout version, never handled the M77 action
Quote from: ducatiz on March 02, 2013, 06:13:30 AM
Anyone have a Ruger M77?
http://www.ruger.com/products/gunsiteScoutRifle/index.html (http://www.ruger.com/products/gunsiteScoutRifle/index.html)
I like this Scout version, never handled the M77 action
Never shot it. But it sure does feel solid.
I am a big fan of Ruger and Sig. I just picked up a Ruger LCR 357. It will be a gift for my father-in-law after I try it out ;D Yes it's for my father-in-law; he's been very good to me, he's a retired detective, he's family, he deserves it, etc.
One day I'll own a 10/22.
While picking up the revolver, I noticed a hardly used sr9c. That morning I was talking to a friend who wanted a glock 19 but didn't like the feel of the 19. Called him, he said the moment he picked up the sr he was sold. And the 17 round mags make the gun a full size frame.
Quote from: ducatiz on March 02, 2013, 06:13:30 AM
Anyone have a Ruger M77?
http://www.ruger.com/products/gunsiteScoutRifle/index.html (http://www.ruger.com/products/gunsiteScoutRifle/index.html)
I like this Sctout version, never handled the M77 action
I have a 77/17. Laminated stock, ss bull barrel. Love it!
Ive had my eye on both the Ruger and Cooper Scout rifles. They are spendy little buggers. Id love to find one in .243. Something my oldest son can carry and shoot comfortably.
http://www.scoutrifle.org/ (http://www.scoutrifle.org/) is a good resource.
The best .223 bullet heads I have ever run down my various 1:9 tubes are the Sierra Varminter 60 grain hollow point heads
They (IMHE) have out-shot and out-grouped any flavor of Sierra Matchking heads I have played with
and I have played with a LOT of .223 reloads
Quote from: RAT900 on March 02, 2013, 09:32:07 AM
The best .223 bullet heads I have ever run down my various 1:9 tubes are the Sierra Varminter 60 grain hollow point heads
They (IMHE) have out-shot and out-grouped any flavor of Sierra Matchking heads I have played with
and I have played with a LOT of .223 reloads
My barrel has a 1:12 twist so 60 is max IMO, and not the best choice for that twist..
I did develop a 60 gr load for the Nosler Partition which stabilized fine in that rifle, but I did need to use the max load to get enough velocity to do it, and the accuracy was no better than minute of deer, which is what the exercise was all about. I ordered some of the 52gr Sierra Matchkings to try. When those are gone I'll try some of the Varminters.
edit...the only other weight in hp in a varminter for .223 is 40gr. I've already got a pretty good load for Nosler 40gr Ballistic tip...maybe I'll try them anyway.
Quote from: ducatiz on March 02, 2013, 06:13:30 AM
Anyone have a Ruger M77?
http://www.ruger.com/products/gunsiteScoutRifle/index.html (http://www.ruger.com/products/gunsiteScoutRifle/index.html)
I like this Scout version, never handled the M77 action
Gave my step son my standard model 77 .223 (w/Leupold 3x9 scope) for his first deer rifle. Ran a TON of ball and hp ammo through it so it was well broken in and plenty accurate enough for hunting. Just standard barrel... no heavy bull barrel. Nice and light, easy to carry and worked just fine. Last time I shot it (before I handed it on) was at my friend's west TX ranch and we were all busting small rocks across his stock tank with xm193 ball... 120-140 yards easy. Nice little reliable rifle. Kid wasn't very thankful. Kids today...[bang] [roll]
My friend and reloading mentor came by 4-5000 rounds of once fired mil 9mm and he gave me about 800 of them. I got all the primers punched out here and spent the day at his house today running them through the swedger and his home made tumbler.
We also cast a bunch of 9mm bullets which I ran through the sizer/lubricator.
I got to see some of his "experiments"
I can't remember the original caliber (.444 rem?) Bottleneck cases blown out to a straight wall case for use in a .410 shotgun.
It was a good day. We talked about guns a lot.
:D
Nice score.
I was at the range last week and there was a guy shooting 300 Blackout made from .223 brass.
Quote from: ducpainter on March 02, 2013, 05:31:17 PM
Nice score.
I was at the range last week and there was a guy shooting 300 Blackout made from .223 brass.
300blk is an interesting round. Fits an ar, check. Subsonic for suppressed fun, check.
Expensive, check.
.300 blk is just 5.56 brass opened up a bit for a 7.62 bullet. Nice thing about it, all you have to do is a barrel change, assuming you have an upper (like the LMT MRP) that allows a quick barrel swap. Same bolt, some magazine and everything.
Quote from: DRKWNG on March 02, 2013, 07:22:29 PM
.300 blk is just 5.56 brass opened up a bit for a 7.62 bullet. Nice thing about it, all you have to do is a barrel change, assuming you have an upper (like the LMT MRP) that allows a quick barrel swap. Same bolt, some magazine and everything.
I did not know that. Swapping a barrel off an upper is pretty easy even without a QC barrel setup. I may look into that, but then again, it's a non-milsurp caliber... $$$
That Ruger Scout looks like a pretty good rig. I wish they would have not put on a flash hider and just gave it an equal amount of barrel. There is a fair amount of difference between 16.5" and 18 or 20" in the 308 as far as efficiency and performance is concerned. You can make up some of the difference by reloading with a click faster burning powder, but you can never get all the performance out of the cartridge if there isn't enough tube to consume all the powder. That being said, I really like the handling characteristics of the Scout concept, in certain circumstances, the slight loss in performance is worth the handiness and usability.
I built a pseudo-scout on a Springfield 03-A3 action with a 20" tube in 30-06, with a Burris scout scope. It is handy and powerful and works well out to 300 or so. I cannot get screaming velocities out of it due to its short tube, so I go for momentum and load 200 - 220 grain bullets at about 2400 fps. (The Hornady 220 RN load runs 2390 according to my PACT chrono)
3" high at 100 yards puts me right on at 200 and about a foot low at 300. I really like the ability to load from stripper clips in these types of actions.
The scout scope setup is one of the fastest, friendliest optical systems out there. I have found it is one of the easiest systems to use for introducing women and children to shooting with optics.
The generous eye relief and the non-critical head position in relation to the optics makes it super easy for people unfamiliar with optics to immediately get a sight picture. It does have a few drawbacks, its low powered and doesnt have the low light performance of some other optics, but for many practical situations, the scout system works great.
I saw a cool rifle that I kinda sort want but have no earthly justifyable reason for having...
when watching Wild West Guns on Discovery Channel, their "Co-Pilot" lever action .457 Magnum....though I'd want one set up for standard cowboy 45/70...the way it breaks down and everything just looks way cool to me!
Quote from: zooom on March 04, 2013, 07:01:55 AM
I saw a cool rifle that I kinda sort want but have no earthly justifyable reason for having...
when watching Wild West Guns on Discovery Channel, their "Co-Pilot" lever action .457 Magnum....though I'd want one set up for standard cowboy 45/70...the way it breaks down and everything just looks way cool to me!
Levers are awesome, you'd be surprised how much joy you can get out of a more common-caliber like .357 or 44 mag.
Quote from: WarrenJ on March 04, 2013, 06:58:49 AM
That Ruger Scout looks like a pretty good rig. I wish they would have not put on a flash hider and just gave it an equal amount of barrel. There is a fair amount of difference between 16.5" and 18 or 20" in the 308 as far as efficiency and performance is concerned. You can make up some of the difference by reloading with a click faster burning powder, but you can never get all the performance out of the cartridge if there isn't enough tube to consume all the powder. That being said, I really like the handling characteristics of the Scout concept, in certain circumstances, the slight loss in performance is worth the handiness and usability.
I like the Ruger setup, but it's too pricey for me. It's just very handsome and I have heard the M77 action is very solid.
Quote
I built a pseudo-scout on a Springfield 03-A3 action with a 20" tube in 30-06, with a Burris scout scope. It is handy and powerful and works well out to 300 or so. I cannot get screaming velocities out of it due to its short tube, so I go for momentum and load 200 - 220 grain bullets at about 2400 fps. (The Hornady 220 RN load runs 2390 according to my PACT chrono)
3" high at 100 yards puts me right on at 200 and about a foot low at 300. I really like the ability to load from stripper clips in these types of actions.
The scout scope setup is one of the fastest, friendliest optical systems out there. I have found it is one of the easiest systems to use for introducing women and children to shooting with optics.
The generous eye relief and the non-critical head position in relation to the optics makes it super easy for people unfamiliar with optics to immediately get a sight picture. It does have a few drawbacks, its low powered and doesnt have the low light performance of some other optics, but for many practical situations, the scout system works great.
I have an Enfield 2A, one of those Ishapore rifles built by Gibson that I think would do well as a scout setup, except that the rear leaf sight is exactly where one would mount a scope. It is very compact and handles very well despite the less than smooth action -- the Indians used .303 tooling and created a .308 out of it. The 2A receiver is really stout though. I am not sure much can be done about the floppy bolt in those old Enfields.
Can't get my eye off that Ruger though.
not debating the joy factor of any specific caliber over another...there is something about the slow burning thwooosh of a 45/70 in a sort of weird romantic kind of way that is attractive to me...that paired with a good lever action mechanism and you get sweetness.... though it'd be nice to have the .357 magnum because I could then share ammo with my revolver I think...
Quote from: ducatiz on March 04, 2013, 07:13:22 AM
I like the Ruger setup, but it's too pricey for me. It's just very handsome and I have heard the M77 action is very solid.
I have an Enfield 2A, one of those Ishapore rifles built by Gibson that I think would do well as a scout setup, except that the rear leaf sight is exactly where one would mount a scope. It is very compact and handles very well despite the less than smooth action -- the Indians used .303 tooling and created a .308 out of it. The 2A receiver is really stout though. I am not sure much can be done about the floppy bolt in those old Enfields.
Can't get my eye off that Ruger though.
How about something like this to mount the scope?
http://scopemounts.com/index.html?main.html (http://scopemounts.com/index.html?main.html)
I would love to have one of those Co-Pilots. I'm pretty sure Wild West will make you one in 45-70. That is my all time favorite woods hunting cartridge. We cast a 495 Grain gas check bullet and launch them out of the Marlin levers at 1750 fps. It is an extremely potent round - recoil will get your attention a bit, but it performs every time. I also swage lead paper patch bullets for the 45-70 that work excellently on game. Shot my biggest buck with a 350 grain paper patch bullet in the Marlin 45-70. No tracking involved. Factory 45-70 ammo is pretty anemic except for Garrett or Buffalo Bore, but even then, it is still pretty decisive on medium size game.
The recoil of that co-pilot in their 475 cartridge has got to be pretty thumpy. I'm used to shooting hard kicking rifles, but that one would probably try to loosen my fillings. You shoot that rifle when you HAVE to.
Quote from: ducpainter on March 04, 2013, 07:19:39 AM
How about something like this to mount the scope?
http://scopemounts.com/index.html?main.html (http://scopemounts.com/index.html?main.html)
I said Gibson, I meant GIBBS... They made a bunch of interesting bolt rifles in the 90s, mostly from Ishapore receivers in 308 and 45-70
i don't want to lose the iron sights. plus the front sight is high on that rifle, so any glass would have to be mounted higher.
(http://cdn2.armslist.com/sites/armslist/uploads/posts/2011/05/23/140120_01_gibbs_carbine_in_308_640.jpg)
Losing irons isn't a problem for my tired eyes. :P
Nothing wrong with iron sights or enfields. I have a #4 Mk1 303 that is a great shooter. I'd like to run into a nice condition #1 Mk3 just to have. I had an Ishapor 308 for a while but had magazine trouble with it and it went in a trade. I really liked the concept. I was in contact with an outfit in Australia that was making a "modern" enfield for a while, but I think they discontinued manufacturing. They were chambered in 308 and used the Savage type barrel nut attachment system. They had a number of interesting variations - wish they could have been successful.
I handled a m77 scout rifle about a week ago. I really liked it. It handled great, for the purpose. I think though that my variation of the theme will be to pick up a big bore AR upper and mount a fixed 4x scope to it. I've been eyeing 458 socom uppers. In fact, that was a primary driver in picking up the loading kit. It'd certainly be a fun thumper.
Quote from: WarrenJ on March 04, 2013, 08:13:46 AM
Nothing wrong with iron sights or enfields. I have a #4 Mk1 303 that is a great shooter. I'd like to run into a nice condition #1 Mk3 just to have. I had an Ishapor 308 for a while but had magazine trouble with it and it went in a trade. I really liked the concept. I was in contact with an outfit in Australia that was making a "modern" enfield for a while, but I think they discontinued manufacturing. They were chambered in 308 and used the Savage type barrel nut attachment system. They had a number of interesting variations - wish they could have been successful.
The magazines I got are clearly .303 magazines with a buffer at the front, sort of like the Beretta 7.62 Garands. I can't imagine there would NOT be feeding issues with them, but so far I have had few. I have only used Australian L4 milsurp to date though. No commercial loads. I know the L4 is loaded to NATO spec so it's relatively lower powered.
Quote from: DW on March 04, 2013, 09:56:36 AM
I handled a m77 scout rifle about a week ago. I really liked it. It handled great, for the purpose. I think though that my variation of the theme will be to pick up a big bore AR upper and mount a fixed 4x scope to it. I've been eyeing 458 socom uppers. In fact, that was a primary driver in picking up the loading kit. It'd certainly be a fun thumper.
I've been looking at shoe-horning 7.62x54 into an AR. Ammo is plentiful and cheap and it would be fun..
Quote from: zooom on March 04, 2013, 07:18:55 AM
not debating the joy factor of any specific caliber over another...there is something about the slow burning thwooosh of a 45/70 in a sort of weird romantic kind of way that is attractive to me...that paired with a good lever action mechanism and you get sweetness.... though it'd be nice to have the .357 magnum because I could then share ammo with my revolver I think...
Check out the Marlin 1895G. 45/70 lever goodness with a ported 18.5" barrel. Very shootable with factory loads, will thump the shit out of you with hot loads.
I like any rifle I can carry trough the woods with the muzzle pointing straight down and my arm is fully extended.
my .35 Remington lever action is a Marlin and I have been REALLY happy with that one...I wouldn't mind the 1895G, but the trick factor of how the CoPilot breaks down just was way neato-torpedo to me.
i've been looking for a cheap, beat up Marlin 35 Rem to turn into a Marauder type carbine. I think that would be a great woods prowling rifle. One of my friends that passed away had a Marlin Marauder in 30-30 and had killed something like 47 head of big game with it including 18 elk. There is a lot to be said for a light handy rifle that you have confidence in. He was a good hunter, got close and made sure of his shots. That little rifle stacked up a lot of game in his hands.
45 deg snap-on iron sights for an AR with an A3 upper and glass in the middle.
looks interesting, i might give them a try.
(http://simage1.sportsmansguide.com/adimgs/l/2/281759_ts.jpg)
There are a lot of designs out there. I like the folding ones just so they're out of the way when not using them.
Quote from: DRKWNG on March 05, 2013, 03:31:56 AM
There are a lot of designs out there. I like the folding ones just so they're out of the way when not using them.
Those are great but not with a low pro glass or red dot.
I love this pic
I pull it out whenever someone refers to the AK or AR as "high powered"
(http://herohog.com/images/guns/ammo/all_ammo_comparison.jpg)
Quote from: ducatiz on March 05, 2013, 12:05:46 PM
I love this pic
I pull it out whenever someone refers to the AK or AR as "high powered"
(http://herohog.com/images/guns/ammo/all_ammo_comparison.jpg)
Do you have a bigger version?
Quote from: Bick on March 05, 2013, 12:38:28 PM
Do you have a bigger version?
Copy the link and paste it in your browser.
You can zoom in on their page...Major.
Quote from: Bick on March 05, 2013, 12:38:28 PM
Do you have a bigger version?
http://herohog.com/images/guns/ammo/all_ammo_comparison.jpg (http://herohog.com/images/guns/ammo/all_ammo_comparison.jpg)
Quote from: ducatiz on March 05, 2013, 01:08:15 PM
http://herohog.com/images/guns/ammo/all_ammo_comparison.jpg (http://herohog.com/images/guns/ammo/all_ammo_comparison.jpg)
Thanks. [thumbsup]
Quote from: ducatiz on March 05, 2013, 05:09:47 AM
Those are great but not with a low pro glass or red dot.
And how do you figure? They're the same concept as the pic you posted (offset sights), only not as obtrusive if you don't have them deployed.
45 Offset Sights - KAC TV - Trey Knight Knight's Armament Company (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxNlJ_mjMwk#)
Quote from: DRKWNG on March 05, 2013, 01:56:20 PM
And how do you figure? They're the same concept as the pic you posted (offset sights), only not as obtrusive if you don't have them deployed.
45 Offset Sights - KAC TV - Trey Knight Knight's Armament Company (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxNlJ_mjMwk#)
i didn't know they had that kind.. very nice!
I have had the pleasure of working with Todd over the past several years. This man is a genius. If you ever get a chance to train with him, don't pass it up.
http://youtu.be/qbMuknl677A (http://youtu.be/qbMuknl677A)
Quote from: ducatiz on March 04, 2013, 07:40:07 PM
45 deg snap-on iron sights for an AR with an A3 upper and glass in the middle.
looks interesting, i might give them a try.
(http://simage1.sportsmansguide.com/adimgs/l/2/281759_ts.jpg)
Very cool.
I didn't quite understand what they were about till I watched the YouTube video above.
These look like something I will get for my Echo 316.
I like the 45 degree offset mounts that three gun shooters use for mini red dots. They can cant/tilt the rifle and use the mini red dot for close work then up-right the rifle and use the scope for longer ranges. Why didn't I think of that and have Monsterlover make them! [bang] [laugh]
So this is what passes for "new, still in unopened package"? >:(
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8230/8549724629_3912d552ed_c.jpg)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8106/8550823694_8c1ee197ca_c.jpg)
[bang]
Wtf
Quote from: Monsterlover on March 11, 2013, 08:24:59 PM
Wtf
Exactly!
Just wish I could have gotten a pic of inside the barrel. >:(
New, My Ass!
Return policy?
Quote from: Monsterlover on March 11, 2013, 08:30:06 PM
Return policy?
Yes, just a pain in the ass.
Back-order issues...
Expected more by buying from a national chain.
I hear you.
Get on the phone and pregnant dog.
Quote from: Bick on March 11, 2013, 08:16:52 PM
So this is what passes for "new, still in unopened package"? >:(
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8230/8549724629_3912d552ed_c.jpg)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8106/8550823694_8c1ee197ca_c.jpg)
[bang]
unopened?
looks quite handled.
who is it from?
Quote from: ducatiz on March 12, 2013, 05:53:01 AM
unopened?
looks quite handled.
who is it from?
Bass Pro.
Also a lot of residue inside the barrel for new.
But all the efforts they went through to bring it in from another store. [roll]
Quote from: Bick on March 12, 2013, 06:05:12 AM
Bass Pro.
Also a lot of residue inside the barrel for new.
But all the efforts they went through to bring it in from another store. [roll]
I bet its a return. Put it on eBay and sell it for profit.
Quote from: ducatiz on March 12, 2013, 06:50:38 AM
I bet its a return. Put it on eBay and sell it for profit.
and reorder from BP and wait 6 months to get another....
Quote from: zooom on March 12, 2013, 07:41:48 AM
and reorder from BP and wait 6 months to get another....
If another one would show up that quickly!
What shotgun is that for?
Speaking of scatterguns...
A bunch of hubbub a couple of years ago in this thread about the Kel Tec Shotgun.
Anyone have any FHE with the thing yet? I'm seriously interested.
Get out your wallet, they're about double what they should be now.
Seems like a well made rig.
Also, check this shit out.
Why .50's kill scopes
high-speed video of scope and barrel flexing on a 50BMG (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5pVya7eask&feature=channel_page#)
Quote from: jaxduc on March 12, 2013, 12:18:09 PM
Need Advice
I have a Rossi .357 magnum snub-nosed revolver.
The other day I took it to the range and squeezed the trigger for the first shot of the day and..... click. ???
"damn new bullets"
I switch out for some different ammo.
click. :'( [puke] [bang]
would not fire.
I take a closer look at the hammer and the damn firing pin is not there. ???
somehow it got lost. No idea how.
I've fired the gun hundreds of times before without issue.
My question is:
I thought I could just find a local gunsmith, but I think the Rossi has a lifetime warranty.
Have any of you ever mailed a gun in to be fixed under warranty?
This is my first time doing any of this.
Thanks
There are strict regulations regarding shipping a handgun. An owner can't send one other than UPS or Fed-Ex O/Nite. If I were you I'd find a Rossi dealer to handle the shipping to the factory. It will be cheaper for you.
Quote from: ducpainter on March 12, 2013, 12:21:43 PM
There are strict regulations regarding shipping a handgun. An owner can't send one other than UPS or Fed-Ex O/Nite. If I were you I'd find a Rossi dealer to handle the shipping to the factory. It will be cheaper for you.
+1...and easier too!
Quote from: Buckethead on March 12, 2013, 11:21:21 AM
Speaking of scatterguns...
A bunch of hubbub a couple of years ago in this thread about the Kel Tec Shotgun.
Anyone have any FHE with the thing yet? I'm seriously interested.
Get what ever you can find fast.
Not to open a discussion of politics, regulations, etc., but pump and auto shotguns are on the list of "to be banned" assault weapons in CO. Grandfathering will apply.
In the Barrel Saga, Cabella's had the barrel in stock. $40. less. Someone at Bass Pro
(only in my mind, and not an actual threat of violence) is about to become a human popsicle on an 18.5" stick. :-X :o [evil] >:( ;D
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/f85dfbbfcc89f288168da4f86c7d1f2f.jpg)
(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/482124_305846506209287_162957963_n.jpg)
[evil]
Quote from: Bick on March 12, 2013, 04:39:33 PM
(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/482124_305846506209287_162957963_n.jpg)
[evil]
[evil]
Quote from: Buckethead on March 12, 2013, 11:21:21 AM
Speaking of scatterguns...
A bunch of hubbub a couple of years ago in this thread about the Kel Tec Shotgun.
Anyone have any FHE with the thing yet? I'm seriously interested.
Yeah, I was part of that Kel-Tec postfest being a scattergun fan. But I have yet to ever see one. They looked interesting/innovative and I have had great luck with my Kel-Tec mouse gun pistols. It's not like I need another defense or hunting shotgun but I would like to fondle one and see what it's all about.
Guess you could get your local, friendly FFL dealer to order one but some intel and feedback from current owners would certainly help before you step off that cliff. Maybe somone will chime in...
Quote from: Bick on March 12, 2013, 04:39:33 PM
(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/482124_305846506209287_162957963_n.jpg)
[evil]
oh... and I need this bike for Dallas traffic control. ;) [thumbsup]
Quote from: Bick on March 12, 2013, 08:42:04 AM
Mossberg 500
Bunch of mossy 500 barrels on gunbroker
Swap out the AT4 with a Gustav and I'm sold!!
Shiny :D
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/900rider/Gun%20Stuff/IMG_20130316_141023_zps78f36701.jpg)
Rally round the Family, Saucepan full of shells!
Not sure where this should go...
Gun Stuff?
Bacon Thread?
Aporkalypse Now Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVecBww1vcE&feature=player_embedded&list=PLE14A1A182AD82822#)
"I love the smell of Bacon in the morning."
Quote from: rgramjet on March 16, 2013, 11:45:46 AM
Rally round the Family, Saucepan full of shells!
Nice spin on that song! [thumbsup] [laugh]
Quote from: Bick on March 16, 2013, 11:47:49 AM
Not sure where this should go...
Gun Stuff?
Bacon Thread?
Aporkalypse Now Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVecBww1vcE&feature=player_embedded&list=PLE14A1A182AD82822#)
"I love the smell of Bacon in the morning."
Awesome! [beer] [bacon]
But I will never get my 16 year old to do home work again if he knows this is on TV! [laugh]
Crap. It looks like I won't have enough primers to finish all these :(
I started with an almost full box of 1000. I think there were 50 missing out of the first tray.
I probably don't have enough lead either.
Quote from: Monsterlover on March 16, 2013, 12:53:11 PM
Crap. It looks like I won't have enough primers to finish all these :(
I started with an almost full box of 1000. I think there were 50 missing out of the first tray.
I probably don't have enough lead either.
Good luck finding any.
Quote from: ducpainter on March 16, 2013, 12:59:36 PM
Good luck finding any.
Yeah, seems that pickens are slim. Midway expects more 4/1. Bullets were no problem from the bullet works but primers are as good as ghosts right now. I guess its good I had what I had.
Lean times these are. I haven't been to the range since January, simply because I don't want to shoot up what I've got and not be able to replace it.
I have enough components to build a thousand more rounds of 9 and I have enough primers and powder for another 1K. I need to get some more bullets.
I have about 600 in boxes ready to go.
I wish I could find some 22lr
lol I've got something like 4500 rds of 9 sitting on the shelves, and about 1500 of 5.56. The one thing that I'm low on is .45; got about 600 of that, but haven't shot much out of those weapons in a while anyhow.
Was able to finally get primers and bullets for 9 mm at Sportsmans Warehouse last Thursday, but still no powder.
They even had some 22lr but you could only buy 100 at a time [roll]
My bolt .223 doesn't use much ammo. ;)
Quote from: Zaster on March 16, 2013, 02:19:24 PM
Was able to finally get primers and bullets for 9 mm at Sportsmans Warehouse last Thursday, but still no powder.
They even had some 22lr but you could only buy 100 at a time [roll]
100!?! Doesn't take long to waste 100 .22 lr
I'm looking for a pound of Vit 3N37 to finish up a project. If someone has some, I have quite a bit of trading material.
Question about an old primer.
Today I found an unused primer on the floor and it had been there a while. It had some white IZ_ on the OD as brass type stuff gets from age and (im guessing moisture) The inside looked clean.
I pressed it into a case and set it aside with the intention of marking the primer with a sharpie and loading it as normal. Probably will fire that one either first or last next time at the range.
Think it will go off?
Quote from: WarrenJ on March 16, 2013, 02:41:18 PM
I'm looking for a pound of Vit 3N37 to finish up a project. If someone has some, I have quite a bit of trading material.
Powder Valley shows 1lb containers in stock.
The hazmat probably kills the deal.
I don't have any myself.
Painter, I think I read (I read a lot of stuff this afternoon) that small rifle and pistol primers are the same (I saw my fedaral 129-100 listed for both... somewhere)
http://www.ammunitionstore.com/categories/reloading/primers/rifle.html (http://www.ammunitionstore.com/categories/reloading/primers/rifle.html)
They look to be in stock because it let me put both in the cart.
Quote from: Monsterlover on March 16, 2013, 03:15:29 PM
Painter, I think I read (I read a lot of stuff this afternoon) that small rifle and pistol primers are the same (I saw my fedaral 129-100 listed for both... somewhere)
http://www.ammunitionstore.com/categories/reloading/primers/rifle.html (http://www.ammunitionstore.com/categories/reloading/primers/rifle.html)
They look to be in stock because it let me put both in the cart.
SR primers have a little bit harder cup from what I've read, and they can be used for SP in a pinch.
I'm not that hard up to pay $60/K...yet. That's just playing into this feeding frenzy.
I can wait. ;)
Agreed.
I used to run CCI SP primers but had some trouble seating them all the way which lead to a FTF the first couple times i pulled the trigger on it. I tried the Federal and never had another issue. That was on the advice of a gun shop owner that mentioned CCI is on the harder end of the scale and Federal on the softer.
True or not I noticed a difference.
I think I paid low $30's for my last 1000
What powders are you using for 9mm Hornady HAP 115 grain and XTP 124 grain bullets?
Quote from: Monsterlover on March 16, 2013, 03:30:09 PM
Agreed.
I used to run CCI SP primers but had some trouble seating them all the way which lead to a FTF the first couple times i pulled the trigger on it. I tried the Federal and never had another issue. That was on the advice of a gun shop owner that mentioned CCI is on the harder end of the scale and Federal on the softer.
True or not I noticed a difference.
I think I paid low $30's for my last 1000
I prime on the press and have no issues seating primers.
Federal is in fact the softest cup and CCI is said to be the hardest. If you have a tuned pistol with a reduced power hammer spring Federal will give the most reliable ignition.
Quote from: Zaster on March 16, 2013, 03:49:30 PM
What powders are you using for 9mm Hornady HAP 115 grain and XTP 124 grain bullets?
What kind of loads you looking for? Minor p/f or SD type?
Quote from: Zaster on March 16, 2013, 03:49:30 PM
What powders are you using for 9mm Hornady HAP 115 grain and XTP 124 grain bullets?
I run 4.0gr Bullseye with a hard cast lead 115gr rn.
Quote from: ducpainter on March 16, 2013, 03:56:33 PM
I prime on the press and have no issues seating primers.
Federal is in fact the softest cup and CCI is said to be the hardest. If you have a tuned pistol with a reduced power hammer spring Federal will give the most reliable ignition.
What kind of loads you looking for? Minor p/f or SD type?
I prime on the press as well. No idea why they were seating the way they were.
Quote from: Monsterlover on March 16, 2013, 04:07:05 PM
I run 4.0gr Bullseye with a hard cast lead 115gr rn.
I prime on the press as well. No idea why they were seating the way they were.
Was it WCC brass?
Starline bought new.
Quote from: Monsterlover on March 16, 2013, 04:39:47 PM
Starline bought new.
Fancy... ;D
I've never had any issues with seating primers even in crimped military brass that hadn't been reamed or swaged.
That is with Winchester primers. I used a couple of thousand CCI primers and never had an issue either.
You can reprime military brass without swaging it?
Quote from: Monsterlover on March 16, 2013, 04:56:51 PM
You can reprime military brass without swaging it?
Like I said...
I haven't had any issues on the press with Win primers. You can
feel it when you come across one.
It isn't recommended...I guess.
I swaged all mine at a friends house so they're good forever now.
They prime easily but the starline cases are looser feeling.
Quote from: Zaster on March 16, 2013, 03:49:30 PM
What powders are you using for 9mm Hornady HAP 115 grain and XTP 124 grain bullets?
I have had great accuracy and velocity with Longshot for standard pressure and for top velocities, Vit 3N37 - its hard to find, expensive when you do, but my load exactly duplicates
the Federal Law Enforcement 115 +P+ 9PBLE loading in accuracy and velocity across 7 different pistols I tested both loads in.
The Longshot loads don't have quite the velocity, but have been very reliable and very accurate. My favorite high volume load.
Quote from: WarrenJ on March 16, 2013, 05:37:48 PM
I have had great accuracy and velocity with Longshot for standard pressure and for top velocities, Vit 3N37 - its hard to find, expensive when you do, but my load exactly duplicates
the Federal Law Enforcement 115 +P+ 9PBLE loading in accuracy and velocity across 7 different pistols I tested it in.
The Longshot loads don't have quite the velocity, but have been very reliable and very accurate. My favorite high volume load.
Your comment about high volume loading got me thinking.
Reloading is very zen for me. I spent 3 or 4 hours at the bench today flaring and priming 9mm and the time passed quickly, I didn't think about anything too serious. Just listened to some podcasts and music mowing through tray after tray of primers. It was a nice way to spend the afternoon.
I'm glad I got into it, especially at today's prices of $1.00-$1.75 per round of 9mm :o
I got the RCBS kit up and running, all good so far. It's nice having a friend that can mentor you on your first batch. I've loaded about 4 hundred 40 S&W so far. I ran out of empty brass, so I guess that means stop. Good news was I found a local shop that had 500 count boxes of 180 grain FMJ bullets for $69! I'm stocked quite well and loving the reduced cost per rnd.
Now I just need to find 380 and 223 bullets. That'll be a while.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/900rider/Gun%20Stuff/IMG_20130317_132206_zps3778016a.jpg)
:D
Southern fried brass?
Yep. Lead is the only item on the menu at Monsterlover's diner :)
Nice picture. Makes me all warm and IZ_ inside. Is that bad? [laugh] [laugh] [thumbsup]
Quote from: Monsterlover on March 17, 2013, 11:18:02 AM
Yep. Lead is the only item on the menu at Monsterlover's diner :)
Tools for social work
I've got about 20K Federal 205 Small Rifle Primers on the shelf. That should get me through this season of USPSA (I use SR primers for my 9-Major Loads). Only have about 4K small pistol left [bang]. 45K on backorder at Powder Valley since January...hopefully they start showing up soon. Got lucky and found 3 lbs. of Hodgdon HS7 at a local gun store the other day. I usually use HS6 for 9-major, but about 11 grains of HS7 under a 115 makes for an awesome, flat shooting load out of my open gun [thumbsup]
Quote from: Snake on March 18, 2013, 06:02:25 AM
I've got about 20K Federal 205 Small Rifle Primers on the shelf. That should get me through this season of USPSA (I use SR primers for my 9-Major Loads). Only have about 4K small pistol left [bang]. 45K on backorder at Powder Valley since January...hopefully they start showing up soon. Got lucky and found 3 lbs. of Hodgdon HS7 at a local gun store the other day. I usually use HS6 for 9-major, but about 11 grains of HS7 under a 115 makes for an awesome, flat shooting load out of my open gun [thumbsup]
That is a steamy load! I didn't think you could get that much in a 9 case. Is it pretty compressed?
You guys that shoot 9 major scare me. :P
Quote from: WarrenJ on March 18, 2013, 10:25:04 AM
That is a steamy load! I didn't think you could get that much in a 9 case. Is it pretty compressed?
I'd guess yes. I double charged a 9mm case once to see if it would take it so I'd know if I needed to worry about that or not.
I've never double charged a case accidentally, but the 4.0grains Bullseye I load won't go in there twice. Id guess it takes 7.0 to fill the case with the remainder spilling all over the case tray.
Maybe his powder is a smaller granule?
Just read up on 9mm Major. Scares me too. I like my fingers to work.
I just put 11 grains of HS-7 in a 9 case. It is a pretty dense powder and it does fit. It leaves about an 1/8" to the case mouth. In a properly set up gun with a fully
supported chamber and proper springs, its probably a very zippy, effective load. With that gas volume and velocity in a comped gun, muzzle jump is probably pretty minimal and sight recovery is darn quick.
I don't think I would shoot it in a factory Glock or a 9mm 1911 without a ramped barrel. When I first started shooting USPSA in
the late '80's, 9mm Major was the rage, but they made a rule against it at the time as too many people were having problems with it. I saw enough problems with 38 Super Major loads in the guns of the day.
After 35 years of high performance reloading, I have come to the realization that pushing cartridges right to their ragged edge to get a certain level of performance usually leads to reliability issues and shortened equipment life. I have been as guilty as anyone on this, especially when trying to get the last bit of advantage within certain rules for competition. No different than the modifications made to race bikes to get that last advantage of speed, or power, or manuverability at the expense of longevity or reduced reliability. Its a game we all like to play and sometimes it is expensive or bloody.
Now that I am not competing as much any more, if I need a specific amount of power or energy or velocity, I'll select a cartridge that has that characteristic in the middle of its performance range instead of trying to crowd the limits of a smaller cartridge. I will loose the slight edge of performance or reduction in recoil, but my equipment lasts longer, is typically a bit more reliable and knowing I am not as likely to loose a finger, I shoot with a bit more confidence. I've pushed cartridges right to the wall, sometimes to great effect, but I have also paid the price for it a couple times.
Second barrel was just delivered. Almost as bad as the first one. [bang]
Now to compose an e-mail to Mossberg. >:(
Should have spent the extra $$$ and gone with Benelli. :-\
I've got a 39" Mossberg barrel for sale, back from the '70's. It was marketed as a long range waterfowling barrel. I've always heard them called wedding shotguns - the long barrel being handy for the Father of the Bride to reach the Groom from the back pew.
A lot of the larger American gun manufacturers have been churning out a lot of pretty sub-standard stuff for the last couple years, with a couple notable exceptions. Since FN and Winchester are working together, Winchester's products are back up to pretty good quality after churning out some really poor guns for a few years. Colt has also recently decided to start being excellent again, making some super nice guns that have more features and better price points than some of their popular competitors. Remington, Mossberg, Marlin and Savage have been cost reducing a lot of their products and those of us who remember when these companies made pretty darn great guns are pretty disappointed with the stuff they are peddling as quality now.
As far as Mossberg shotguns go, I'd look for a used one made 20+ years ago thats still in good shape. There are plenty of older used barrels around that are probably better quality than the new stuff you are having problems with.
Quote from: Bick on March 18, 2013, 04:18:05 PM
Second barrel was just delivered. Almost as bad as the first one. [bang]
Now to compose an e-mail to Mossberg. >:(
Should have spent the extra $$$ and gone with Benelli. :-\
That's just weird.
It takes about 13 grains of HS7 to fill a 9x19 case to the top. I run Montana Gold 115 JHPs at 1.165" so there isnt much bullet in the case as-is. I had to throat the barrel to load that long. My usual load is 9.1 grains of HS6. I recently sent the gun out for a chameleon PVD finish and some 1/8" barrel ports, so the charge may go up a few tenths [evil]. I have a cupboard full of half-empty pounds of powder that I tried in search of the holy-grail of open gun loads. I found that my splits were the fastest with a 115gr bullet at about a 175-177 power factor and an 8 lb recoil spring. The dot never leaves the lens of the c-more. Believe me, I would MUCH rather be running 38 supercomp, but at $150+/1000 for new Starline brass I just couldn't justify it.
Warren,
They began to allow 9-major again when they lowered the power factor for major from 175 to 165 a few years back. I have a Schuemann Ultimatch 5.4" bull barrel in the gun. It is a fully supported chamber. I loaded a batch of Winchester brass 6 times to a 175PF....no problem [thumbsup]
I was shooting IPSC when a single stack 1911 45 with a comp was a racegun. Your Major 9 sounds line a moving rig! I traded into an early Schumann 45, way back when shooting Second Chance and wanted to run it for pins as you could shoot a Schumann as a stock gun under Second Chance Rules, but the event ended before I could run it. I still have it - its a smooth shooting rig.
Lately, I've been experimenting with 10mm loading and swaging special 224 bullets for subsonic performance. Its all fun!
Quote from: WarrenJ on March 19, 2013, 09:20:27 AM
I was shooting IPSC when a single stack 1911 45 with a comp was a racegun. Your Major 9 sounds line a moving rig! I traded into an early Schumann 45, way back when shooting Second Chance and wanted to run it for pins as you could shoot a Schumann as a stock gun under Second Chance Rules, but the event ended before I could run it. I still have it - its a smooth shooting rig.
Lately, I've been experimenting with 10mm loading and swaging special 224 bullets for subsonic performance. Its all fun!
You are such a mad scientist. You should change the name of your reloading room to "the lab"
[laugh]
Quote from: Bick on March 18, 2013, 04:18:05 PM
Second barrel was just delivered. Almost as bad as the first one. [bang]
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8226/8571432773_a458ae40da_c.jpg)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8510/8572526778_dab5f87046_c.jpg)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8095/8571432069_c0dd1dfd4c_c.jpg)
Quote from: WarrenJ on March 19, 2013, 09:20:27 AM
I was shooting IPSC when a single stack 1911 45 with a comp was a racegun. Your Major 9 sounds line a moving rig! I traded into an early Schumann 45, way back when shooting Second Chance and wanted to run it for pins as you could shoot a Schumann as a stock gun under Second Chance Rules, but the event ended before I could run it. I still have it - its a smooth shooting rig.
Lately, I've been experimenting with 10mm loading and swaging special 224 bullets for subsonic performance. Its all fun!
Man, I would love to pick your brain for about 10 hours over some beers [laugh] I find the reloading and experimenting almost as much fun as the shooting. I know that I would be better off if I just picked a load and stuck with it....but that's no fun!
I just ordered a GMR-13 from JP rifles. It's a 9mm AR-style rifle with a new lower that takes glock mags without a conversion block. I mainly want it to shoot steel and carbine matches, but this will also be my first suppressed weapon as well. I think some 160gr Bayou bullets loaded subsonic will still hit pretty hard and be completely silent [evil]
For those that are interested in the 1911/2011 platform, check out www.freedomgunworks.com (//http://)
He built my racegun and just does top-notch work for very reasonable prices (when compared to other 2011 smiths) He is also currently manufacturing his own frames and working on slides, billet steel grips, machine-cut rifled barrels, triggers, magwells, etc. He also does custom long range rifles
If I was still competing at Camp Perry for 3-P Smallbore, we could have met there. Not too far from your neck of the woods. PM me.
today only
(http://image.sportsmansguide.com/image/0/spg_march_mania_032113.jpg)
Did a little stress shoot today. They had to run (in full kit) 50m, run up stairs to the second floor, each guy had to make a left handed shot, move to the next room and make side prone shots, move to the next room and shoot off bipods from atop a table (standing). Climb a ladder to the roof, shoot 2 more tgts, climb up onto the pitch, make 2 more shots, climb down the ladder, run down 3 flights of stairs, crawl through a tunnel, run 75m to a shooters box and engage 6 pepper poppers with pistols.
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 26, 2013, 06:49:38 PM
Did a little stress shoot today. They had to run (in full kit) 50m, run up stairs to the second floor, each guy had to make a left handed shot, move to the next room and make side prone shots, move to the next room and shoot off bipods from atop a table (standing). Climb a ladder to the roof, shoot 2 more tgts, climb up onto the pitch, make 2 more shots, climb down the ladder, run down 3 flights of stairs, crawl through a tunnel, run 75m to a shooters box and engage 6 pepper poppers with pistols.
Sounds like a good game of air-soft.
Quote from: DRKWNG on March 26, 2013, 06:52:24 PM
Sounds like a good game of air-soft.
Only way cooler! 8)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/900rider/SMT/IMG_20130327_124650_zps02e1f5d6.jpg)
Samples I made for a range in Colorado wanting 9mm RN training rounds.
Those would have to be loaded very short in my CZ.
Might even be too short to function.
Quote from: DRKWNG on March 26, 2013, 06:52:24 PM
Sounds like a good game of air-soft.
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
My 16 year old and his buddy were "air softing" it in the front yard this weekend. Their pistols are dope for SIG 226s. I told him to be careful out there because they are full grown kids running around with "guns" and neighbors might not know they are just "air soft" pistols. He proceeds to tell me that he has already stopped several cars at our nearby neighborhood intersection to show them the SIGs are a toy with a orange barrel tip to calm their nerves! I told him he's lucky the local police station hasn't been called and don't be suprised if they don't roll up on your ass. If they do, drop the toys and put your hands on your heads. His damn air soft guns look 99% like real. Somebody, somewhere is going to get hurt because of that look. [bang] Things have changed since I was a kid with a Daisy Red Rider...
Quote from: ducpainter on March 27, 2013, 02:53:55 PM
Those would have to be loaded very short in my CZ.
Might even be too short to function.
I don't know they actually put any powder behind these. The OAL is .804 which would take up most of the case.
What do I know though? I just make them look like the picture. ;D
Quote from: Monsterlover on March 27, 2013, 03:23:53 PM
I don't know they actually put any powder behind these. The OAL is .804 which would take up most of the case.
What do I know though? I just make them look like the picture. ;D
SAAMI spec on a 9mm case is .754. No room for powder.
I put one in a case and it was a quarter inch from chambering in my sr9c
No idea what they want these for.
Quote from: Monsterlover on March 27, 2013, 07:14:23 PM
I put one in a case and it was a quarter inch from chambering in my sr9c
No idea what they want these for.
...and the Ruger is not known for a short freebore.
Who knows...
Quote from: ducpainter on March 27, 2013, 07:30:33 PM
...and the Ruger is not known for a short freebore.
Who knows...
As long as the check clears.
RN?
Round nose
I've got a feeling that the guys who made those specifications made one or two errors:
1. They assumed the bottom of the interior of the 9mm case was square with the sidewalls of the case and that the thickness of the case walls was the same at the
neck as at the base of the interior.
2. They understood overall loaded length but did not take into consideration the more important dimension - ogive length. In the case of a loaded round, it is the distance from the base of
the case to the point on the side of the bullet where it engages the rifling. If they simply drew a 1 diameter radius nose, the ogive length of the bullet would be way longer than a standard
ball round, causing the bullet to engage the rifling before the cartridge could go into battery in the chamber. Ogive length is a far more critical dimension in bullet manufacture and loading
than overall length. Overall length is used because it is easy to measure and usually relates roughly to ogive length with standard bullets.
If you took a piece of one inch stock and bored a hole perpendicular to the one inch dimension that was 0.345 (.345 is about the bore dimension of a 9mm barrel, as opposed to groove dimension .355 - .356) and placed the loaded round nose first in the hole as far as it would go and measured the distance from the base of the case to the back side of the 1" thickness and subtraced 1 inch, that would be your ogive length of the loaded round. You can put a ball round in the gage and make the same measurement to give you some comparison.
Quote from: WarrenJ on January 02, 1970, 05:54:08 AM
If you took a piece of one inch stock and bored a hole perpendicular to the one inch dimension that was 0.345 (.345 is about the bore dimension of a 9mm barrel, as opposed to groove dimension .355 - .356) and placed the loaded round nose first in the hole as far as it would go and measured the distance from the base of the case to the back side of the 1" thickness and subtraced 1 inch, that would be your ogive length of the loaded round. You can put a ball round in the gage and make the same measurement to give you some comparison.
I'm not following this. Round stock or square? Picture would help.
Agreed on the design. I think the print was made in ms paint.
I think I made the description more complicated than it needs to be. What you are trying to do is measure the distance from the base of the bullet or the base of the loaded round (depending on what you are comparing) to the point on the curve of the bullet where it becomes bore diameter. The two dimensions you need to keep in mind are bore diameter and groove diameter. Bore diameter is the diameter of the hole - the maximum size of a cylinder that would fit down the hole in the barrel. It would be the diameter of the gun drill used to bore the hole to start the barrel. In the 9mm, it is about .345. Groove diameter is the diameter of the bore plus twice the depth of the rifling. Typical rifling is about .004 - .005 deep ( there are lots of exceptions, polygon bores, etc) making the groove diameter of a 9mm barrel .355 - .356. Jacketed bullets are usually sized to be right at groove diameter and the ogive describes the curve or shape of the point of the bullet where it departs from the groove diameter shank.
If you use a 1-R style point shape - meaning that the point shape of the bullet is a semi-circle with a radius of half the bullet diameter, the ogive dimension of the bullet will be farther toward
the nose of the bullet than if the bulled is shaped as a truncated cone or an ellipse. (pointier)
Because the point on your blue bullet is more like a 1-R point shape, the ogive dimension of the loaded round is longer than the distance from the breech face to the point in the throat of the barrel constricts to bore diameter when the gun is in battery, causing an interference fit and not allowing the gun to go into battery.
(http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz306/LooseCannon_10/ogivegage_zps27b2c8c0.jpg)
The pic is of a ogive comparator for measuring rifle bullet and ammunition ogive lengths. The gage is 1.000 across the flats so the ogive length is the caliper measurement less an inch.
If the blue bullets had a nose shape that was half an ellipse, the ogive point would be shifted farther back down the bullet, at some point allowing the round to chamber.
I could show you in 5 seconds, but its hard to describe without getting confusing.
I follow you 100% now, thanks.
Their design is a .358 diameter with a full (.179) radius on the nose. I can't decide if I should send the samples or call them and burst their bubble.
They have two problems - one is the ogive issue, the other is the 358 dimension for the full length of that bullet. The inside diameter of the case decreases as you get closer to the inside base of the case. You won't be able to seat that round all the way to the bottom of the case. Probably need to give the bullet a truncated cone or ball style profile and put a step part way down the shank to allow the case to go all the way to the bottom and still hold your optimum ogive dimension.
I am sure the reason they want them so long is to consume all the interior volume, making it impossible to be loaded. If that is a plastic bullet though, a good primer would still probably get it out the barrel.
It is plastic. You think just a primer would launch it?
That one I pressed in went in stiff but I was able to seat and crimp with my 1.100 oal that I run.
If you can get to your OAL, you should be good. Trim back a couple bullets so they chamber and prime up a couple cases and give it a try. Just use a brass rod and tap them out if
they don't make it. What some guys do, is enlarge the flash hole in the case when using plastic bullets, just remember to segregate the cases so they don't get mixed in with your regular stuff.
With the bullets being that long, I'm not sure they will stabilize, but Hey! Proof is by Test!!
These experiments will need to be filmed.
For science.
10CC - "Rubber Bullets" (HQ) |Christmas TOTP '73| (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPw0QbH2g68#)
Quote from: Buckethead on March 28, 2013, 08:14:52 PM
These experiments will need to be filmed.
For science.
tempting
It is plastic. It can be cut down to size.
Happy Easter, Peeps... [evil]
How many Peeps can a 50 cal go through? Cadbury Easter Eggs too! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BJD_3eKcIRQ#)
That...
was...
glorious. [thumbsup]
That really illustrates what a fragile thing bullet stability is.
Quote from: WarrenJ on March 31, 2013, 12:16:49 PM
That really illustrates what a fragile thing bullet stability is.
This
Quote from: WarrenJ on March 31, 2013, 12:16:49 PM
That really illustrates what a fragile thing bullet stability is.
Dense vs sparse.
Do the same thing with ballistic gel, despite the heavier target medium, the projectile will remain mostly on the same trajectory (mostly) since the resistance of the medium is equal-more or less- on all sides.
The very light deflection given by the first few peeps is enough to change the projectile's trajectory without an appreciable change in speed.
But you all knew that... :-)
Anyone shooting a Horus reticle?
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/56773e75c316950d4a0ec2228c2c5196.jpg)
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 31, 2013, 08:26:55 PM
Anyone shooting a Horus reticle?
Do tell, I was just planning on getting a bdc reticle in a 4X16 for my 7mm Rem Mag.
I'll let the Man himself explain. This is the shit, period. We run these on all are guns.
http://youtu.be/isHCGdYmpg0 (http://youtu.be/isHCGdYmpg0)
Damn that's slick [thumbsup]
What scopes are available with this?
Quote from: Zaster on March 31, 2013, 08:57:04 PM
Damn that's slick [thumbsup]
What scopes are available with this?
http://bit.ly/10fw2HD (http://bit.ly/10fw2HD)
Quote from: ducpainter on March 31, 2013, 09:05:47 PM
http://bit.ly/10fw2HD (http://bit.ly/10fw2HD)
did that Nate ;D
http://longrangesupply.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=12410 (http://longrangesupply.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=12410)
Quote from: Zaster on March 31, 2013, 09:08:37 PM
did that Nate ;D
http://longrangesupply.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=12410 (http://longrangesupply.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=12410)
[laugh]
I'd buy one...
but I refuse to pay more for glass than I did for the rifle. :P
Quote from: ducpainter on March 31, 2013, 09:25:29 PM
[laugh]
I'd buy one...
but I refuse to pay more for glass than I did for the rifle. :P
You short changed yourself on the gun than. :D
Quote from: ducpainter on March 31, 2013, 09:25:29 PM
[laugh]
I'd buy one...
but I refuse to pay more for glass than I did for the rifle. :P
my thoughts exactly...was hoping to spend a little less for this:
http://www.vortexoptics.com/product/vortex-viper-hs-4-16x50-lr-long-range-riflescope-with-dead-hold-bdc-moa-reticle (http://www.vortexoptics.com/product/vortex-viper-hs-4-16x50-lr-long-range-riflescope-with-dead-hold-bdc-moa-reticle)
$550 at Sportsman Warehouse
Quote from: Zaster on March 31, 2013, 09:34:37 PM
my thoughts exactly...was hoping to spend a little less for this:
http://www.vortexoptics.com/product/vortex-viper-hs-4-16x50-lr-long-range-riflescope-with-dead-hold-bdc-moa-reticle (http://www.vortexoptics.com/product/vortex-viper-hs-4-16x50-lr-long-range-riflescope-with-dead-hold-bdc-moa-reticle)
$550 at Sportsman Warehouse
Sell all of your junk guns, German , Czech, Russian, Chinese etc. and buy one good gun, preferably a LaRue, get the proper glass and be done. ;)
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 31, 2013, 09:31:45 PM
You short changed yourself on the gun than. :D
You have a job. :-*
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 31, 2013, 09:45:34 PM
Sell all of your junk guns, German , Czech, Russian, Chinese etc. and buy one good gun, preferably a LaRue, get the proper glass and be done. ;)
I'm just looking for a long range hunting rifle ;)
Quote from: Zaster on March 31, 2013, 09:53:27 PM
I'm just looking for a long range hunting rifle ;)
Remington .308 bolt gun, Leupold 10x scope will do the trick.
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 31, 2013, 10:14:46 PM
Remington .308 bolt gun, Leupold 10x scope will do the trick.
ordered a Savage 11/111 Long Range Hunter in 7mm Rem Mag a couple of days ago.
Now it's time to find the glass to go with it.
Quote from: Zaster on March 31, 2013, 10:23:28 PM
ordered a Savage 11/111 Long Range Hunter in 7mm Rem Mag a couple of days ago.
Now it's time to find the glass to go with it.
Don't get cheap on the glass. ;)
Looking for someone with very good WWII pistol background to provide some guidance. As part of an inheritance I now own a WWII FN HP 9mm (at least this the assumption that it is an 9mm apparently hasn't been fired since it arrived back here) with holster (German eagle and approprite other symbols stamped into the leather), I'm just looking to get an idea of it's value, so I can decide if I should investigate donating it to a museum or selling it. I have pic's but I'd rather not post such poor examples here.
Cheers
Quote from: Ontario_Monster on April 02, 2013, 10:58:54 AM
Looking for someone with very good WWII pistol background to provide some guidance. As part of an inheritance I now own a WWII FN HP 9mm (at least this the assumption that it is an 9mm apparently hasn't been fired since it arrived back here) with holster (German eagle and approprite other symbols stamped into the leather), I'm just looking to get an idea of it's value, so I can decide if I should investigate donating it to a museum or selling it. I have pic's but I'd rather not post such poor examples here.
Cheers
IIRC...that is basically a Browning High Power ( if I am thinking of the same weapon)...and if that is in fact what it is...that is a keeper in my book!
Quote from: Ontario_Monster on April 02, 2013, 10:58:54 AM
Looking for someone with very good WWII pistol background to provide some guidance. As part of an inheritance I now own a WWII FN HP 9mm (at least this the assumption that it is an 9mm apparently hasn't been fired since it arrived back here) with holster (German eagle and approprite other symbols stamped into the leather), I'm just looking to get an idea of it's value, so I can decide if I should investigate donating it to a museum or selling it. I have pic's but I'd rather not post such poor examples here.
Cheers
FN commissioned John Browning to develop the pistol... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Browning_Hi-Power (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Browning_Hi-Power)
It has good value...$600 if it has the fixed rear site...and up to $900 with the tangent adjustable rear according to a quick search.
I'd keep it if it was an option.
Quote from: Ontario_Monster on April 02, 2013, 10:58:54 AM
Looking for someone with very good WWII pistol background to provide some guidance. As part of an inheritance I now own a WWII FN HP 9mm (at least this the assumption that it is an 9mm apparently hasn't been fired since it arrived back here) with holster (German eagle and approprite other symbols stamped into the leather), I'm just looking to get an idea of it's value, so I can decide if I should investigate donating it to a museum or selling it. I have pic's but I'd rather not post such poor examples here.
Cheers
You can photograph it and write down the numbers and write the Herstal factory and get an official provenance for it.
Good condition Nazi HP's sell for up to $800 in the US. I've seen an unfired model go for $700 at auction and one that was used as an officer's weapon (came with holster with officer's name) and some other items for $1000.
There were a bunch of forgeries made in the early 80s when a lot of them came into the US. Getting the provenance from the factory will help valuation.
Quote from: ducatiz on April 02, 2013, 11:40:37 AM
You can photograph it and write down the numbers and write the Herstal factory and get an official provenance for it.
Good condition Nazi HP's sell for up to $800 in the US. I've seen an unfired model go for $700 at auction and one that was used as an officer's weapon (came with holster with officer's name) and some other items for $1000.
There were a bunch of forgeries made in the early 80s when a lot of them came into the US. Getting the provenance from the factory will help valuation.
Thanks, I'm pretty sure it isn't a forgery ... I remember my grand father having it when I was a kid and always being curious about it. Seems the local cops were as well as there were .... 5-8 different caliber bullets that everyone kept dropping off to see if it was the correct caliber. When I got my local dept wrote down 9mm and wanted me to being it down to fire it any time, never took them up on it, and misplaced it till recently. Now off to write my letter. I'll post some pics later this week.
Cheers
Quote from: Ontario_Monster on April 02, 2013, 02:05:12 PM
Thanks, I'm pretty sure it isn't a forgery ... I remember my grand father having it when I was a kid and always being curious about it. Seems the local cops were as well as there were .... 5-8 different caliber bullets that everyone kept dropping off to see if it was the correct caliber. When I got my local dept wrote down 9mm and wanted me to being it down to fire it any time, never took them up on it, and misplaced it till recently. Now off to write my letter. I'll post some pics later this week.
Cheers
Try emailing them first.
I've never heard of an HP being anything but 9mm (Luger)
If the holster is correct and Nazi marked, it could be worth as much as the gun. Waffenampt (sp) stamps or Nazi proofs will increase the value of the highpower quite a bit.
Certain marked magazines are also quite valuable.
Following is a post I snagged of a website that gives a basic breakdown of the 3 basic variations of Nazi Hi-Powers. The post was written in reply to a comment about a specific serial # gun so please disregard that section unless it applies to your pistol.
The info here was culled from a number of sites.
In 1940, the Germans seized the Fabrique Nationale factory and continued to produce High Power pistols for the Wehrmacht. Collectors recognize 3 variations of High Power pistols manufactured under German occupation.
First variation models are the most valuable, they have serial numbers under 53000, and were manufactured from pre-occupation parts that were in stock at the FN factory at the time of takeover. These pistols have walnut grips, a high polish commercial grade finish, a tangent 500 meter rear sight (this is the sliding sight that you mention) and slot for a holster/shoulder stock attachment.
Second variation pistol serial numbers are in the 53000 to 145000 range. These pistols are just about the same as first variation pistols with walnut grips, a high polish commercial grade finish, a tangent 500 meter rear sight but they are not slotted for a holster/shoulder stock.
Third variation pistols were manufactured towards the end of the war, they have serial numbers over 145000 or serial numbers with letter suffix. Finish on third variation pistols is a poor quality military grade, sights are non-adjustable 50 meters and grips are either wooden or brown plastic.
The High Power pistol was designed by John Moses Browning and manufactured by Fabrique Nationale (FN) in Herstal, Belgium. The Belgians were first armed forces to adopt the High Power as an official sidearm, they did this in 1935. Between 1935 and the German capture of the FN factory on May 29, 1940 contracts were filled for the armed forces of several countries including Belgium, China, Peru, Lithuania, Estonia, Finland, Sweden and France.
From the plant's seizure by the Germans in May of 1940 to its liberation in September of 1944, over 319,000 High Powers pistols were manufactured for the German Wehrmacht. The first several thousand pistols were made up from captured parts and had a high polish finish, a shoulder stock slot cut into the rear grip strap and tangent rear sight. To speed production, the Germans eliminated the shoulder stock slot and then the tangent sight at about serial number 145000. As production continued, the quality of finish was reduced to dull blue over a progressively less polished metal. The Germans used three Waffenenamt stamps on High Power pistols:
Eagle over WaA613
Eagle over WaA103
Eagle over WaA140.
Your pistol is the third variation, these were stamped with eagle over WaA140, had fixed 50-meter sights, wood or brown plastic grips and dull military-blue finish over rough machine marks. The approximate serial range for this variation is 145000 to 210000, then 01a to 100000a and finally 01b to 63000b.
Yearly production of High Power pistols under German occupation was as follows:
1940..................... 8,500
1941..................... 65,700
1942..................... 80,600
1943..................... 101,200
1944..................... 63,000
I think I just got a message from Heaven.
I have a garage full of STUFF
I found a box, one of those 18"x18"x20" moving boxes. Heavy as hell. Opened it and it is about 60 lbs of spent cartridges, all neatly boxes by caliber. 9mm, 40,45,357,38spl,308,7.5swiss,8mm...
Must have been before I was married and I had time to do things like BOX UP SPENT AMMO..lol
I need to go buy a press now.
Buy primers first, they're harder to come by.
Quote from: Monsterlover on April 03, 2013, 06:30:19 AM
Buy primers first, they're harder to come by.
Powder too.
In all reality there are very few components readily available.
Quote from: ducpainter on April 03, 2013, 06:31:32 AM
Powder too.
In all reality there are very few components readily available.
or factory loaded ammo. (unless you're talking odd ball stuff like .30 40 kraig)
Thinking about getting an adult air rifle. .177 pellets are still available and cheap.
Even .22 lr is getting hard to find and spendy.
Shooting like many other things requires lots of practice to get and stay proficient.
Anyone have any thoughts on "RWS" or "Gamo"?
Take a look at Airguns of Arizona for a huge variety of high quality airguns. I have a pair of Feinwerkbau 300S Target airguns but they are very accurate but are in no way a high powered gun. Daystate, Webley, FX.... there are lots of real interesting airguns that you never see in the normal US markets. The normal spring piston guns are pretty good, reliable and powerful but they are very hard on scopes not made for airguns and the more powerful ones require a fair amount of force to cock, etc. Most of the high end guns currently out are CA guns (compressed air). They run off a small compressed air tank filled from SCUBA tanks. The target guns run at 2700 psi and some of the powerhouse guns run up to 4500 psi. There are also a number of new larger caliber guns out there...25, 30, up to 50 cal and larger.
I've been debating a high powered airgun and am trying to balance power with long life and high reliability - still haven't come to a conclusion.
I've even seen a 20 or 12 ga shot airgun somewhere. Very cool stuff. Of course, nothing new. My uncle has an airgun cane from the early 1900's in his collection. I believe it is .32 cal.
Bass Pro Shops is selling the Gamo Varmint Hunter HP combo for $300. They claim 1400 fps. Cones with a scope, flashlight and "laser".
I have the old 1000fps Gamo. It's badass!
Quote from: sno_duc on April 03, 2013, 01:32:36 PM
or factory loaded ammo. (unless you're talking odd ball stuff like .30 40 kraig)
Any good prices on the Krag ammo? We have his and hers Krags.
Quote from: WarrenJ on April 03, 2013, 11:32:12 PM
Any good prices on the Krag ammo? We have his and hers Krags.
awww! ;D
QuoteWe have his and hers Krags.
Why am I not surprised. ;)
Getting out of Alaska might add just a wee bit to the final cost.
I remember getting hassled at the St Louis airport after the '95 USPSA limited nationals, ended up giving away (to a squad mate) 4 boxes of 9 mm ammo. (prize table ;D )
Finally got the gun back from having the PVD finish applied. I will try to post the pictures in the thread later, but here is the link to the article on the Enos Forum. http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=172168#entry1906900 (http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=172168#entry1906900)
It is definitely different!
A quick way to open your safe, I can get in mine in 7 seconds which is not as fast as a key pad safe but close. Put an LED key chain light above the dial (a buck eighty at the gas station) so when they are knocking down the door you can keep the light off. If you practice and you automatically do everytime you open the safe, you can get the feel of when to stop the rotation at about the right place, and the white on the dial makes it easy to place. Teach yourself to spin it and stop, my wife hates me for it as she never could but she can still get in fast. Put some friction tap on it also or anything for a grip.
If you are worried about the kids figuring it out (which mine tried I know) here is what some brain said.
"The first digit can be 0 to 9, i.e., 10 different numbers. The second digit can also be 9, so you have 10 x 10 =100 combinations (0 to 99) with two sets of numbers. And so on. With four sets of digits you would have a total of 10,000 combinations (including 0000)." Less if you know the numbers but still too many to figure. If you are still worried about someone working the sequence make the white one or two digits to the left or right of the actual. The spin and the mark serve only to get you close fast.
Not only all the above it is far less aggravating to open it up when you do have time.
(http://i1234.photobucket.com/albums/ff406/DucatiRocket/Safe2.jpg)
(http://i1234.photobucket.com/albums/ff406/DucatiRocket/Safe.jpg)
Where is everyone buying ammo these days? I need more 22 long and 223 that's not a buck a round...latter. Need to complete my "goal" of hoarding [popcorn]
That's not a goal that ever gets completed ;)
Quote from: muskrat on April 05, 2013, 01:51:28 AM
Where is everyone buying ammo these days? I need more 22 long and 223 that's not a buck a round...latter. Need to complete my "goal" of hoarding [popcorn]
good luck finding that. I started my stock piling as soon as the Nov 2012 election results came in
i am good thru the summer....hopefully by then............
Quote from: Snake on April 04, 2013, 09:47:36 AM
Finally got the gun back from having the PVD finish applied. I will try to post the pictures in the thread later, but here is the link to the article on the Enos Forum. http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=172168#entry1906900 (http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=172168#entry1906900)
It is definitely different!
Yes post some pic's, I noticed on their site they do not show that finish or describe its qualities but I am probably looking at the wrong site. It looks like overheated plating? I like it......
(http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Glock-Revolver-21R.jpg)
Quote from: BoDiddley on April 05, 2013, 09:28:55 AM
Yes post some pic's, I noticed on their site they do not show that finish or describe its qualities but I am probably looking at the wrong site. It looks like overheated plating? I like it......
It's called a "case hardened" finish. Case hardening is an old style of hardening steel that only affects the surface. Modern firearms do not use it, as they are heat treated which hardens thru the entire material.
A case hardened finish is cosmetic only. The slide on that pistol is heat treated and then the case hardened finish applied after.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_59GYpEVAu0U/TFewwLabZwI/AAAAAAAAAWo/-u9ia3ukcB8/s1600/case-hardened-1.jpg)
Quote from: ducatiz on April 05, 2013, 01:11:08 PM
It's called a "case hardened" finish. Case hardening is an old style of hardening steel that only affects the surface. Modern firearms do not use it, as they are heat treated which hardens thru the entire material.
A case hardened finish is cosmetic only. The slide on that pistol is heat treated and then the case hardened finish applied after.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_59GYpEVAu0U/TFewwLabZwI/AAAAAAAAAWo/-u9ia3ukcB8/s1600/case-hardened-1.jpg)
I'm not an expert but I don't agree.
The TiAlN coating was done in a coating vessel the same way cutting tools are done. I suspect the rainbow finish was done the same way though I couldn't say what that coating is exactly. I have seen customers I used to call on send out some of their carbide for aftermarket coating and the result was identical. No steel to case harden in carbide.
Quote from: Monsterlover on April 05, 2013, 01:16:44 PM
I'm not an expert but I don't agree.
The TiAlN coating was done in a coating vessel the same way cutting tools are done. I suspect the rainbow finish was done the same way though I couldn't say what that coating is exactly. I have seen customers I used to call on send out some of their carbide for aftermarket coating and the result was identical. No steel to case harden in carbide.
you're exactly right, I am sure, my point was that the modern firearms with that finish aren't really case hardened, it's some kind of cosmetic thing. once it is heat treated, i don't think you can apply a bona fide case hardening.
Also, according to the post, only "The barrel, comp, and small parts are TiAlN."
also... how can you have a barrel of aluminum? Ti notwithstanding...?
Quote from: ducatiz on April 05, 2013, 01:21:17 PM
you're exactly right, I am sure, my point was that the modern firearms with that finish aren't really case hardened, it's some kind of cosmetic thing. once it is heat treated, i don't think you can apply a bona fide case hardening.
Also, according to the post, only "The barrel, comp, and small parts are TiAlN."
also... how can you have a barrel of aluminum? Ti notwithstanding...?
There are chemicals that I have used in the past to get the same effect without the heat. I have a jar at the shop but cannot
remember what it is called. If that finish is not a plating or an oxide it is basically worthless except for the look?
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I wanted to ask, does anyone use an 1100 for competiton three gun? PM me I have some parts of interest.
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This, to me, is beautiful:
(http://www.kimber1911pistols.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/kimber-centennial-edition01.jpg)
Turnbull has a CCH service....if I get around to building a 1911 next winter, I may have to pull the trigger, no pun intended.
http://www.turnbullmfg.com/store.asp?pid=20180 (http://www.turnbullmfg.com/store.asp?pid=20180)
QuoteColor Case Hardening - Original Bone Pack Method of firearm finishing
CZ still offers some shotguns with case hardened receivers.
Quote from: Monsterlover on April 05, 2013, 01:09:55 PM
(http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Glock-Revolver-21R.jpg)
[drool]
Quote from: Monsterlover on April 05, 2013, 01:09:55 PM
(http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Glock-Revolver-21R.jpg)
I need to see one of these and hold it.
Quote from: The Architect on April 05, 2013, 03:37:47 PM
I need to see one of these and hold it.
Lets see.... A Colt cylinder latch, a Glock 18 selector switch (maybe its full auto!) a Glock safe action trigger for a double action revolver - all sorts of fun photoshop parts.
Quote from: ducpainter on April 05, 2013, 02:40:32 PM
CZ still offers some shotguns with case hardened receivers.
are they true case hardened or cosmetically case hardened?
Quote from: ducatiz on April 05, 2013, 04:05:39 PM
are they true case hardened or cosmetically case hardened?
I honestly don't know.
They just list them as case hardened.
They're Huglu guns. Do they do the cosmetic stuff in Turkey?
Quote from: muskrat on April 05, 2013, 03:25:34 PM
[drool]
This.
I'm pretty sure Id hurt my arm trying to get my money out if these were commercially available
Quote from: ducpainter on April 05, 2013, 04:35:32 PM
I honestly don't know.
They just list them as case hardened.
They're Huglu guns. Do they do the cosmetic stuff in Turkey?
I have actually been to the Huglu (Hurrrrlu) dealer in Istanbul and I can safely say they do real case hardening.
They also still make black powder shotguns with real Damascus barrels. Very awesome stuff. They have stuff they don't export to the US that is amazing. Beautiful workmanship.
Europe gets all the cool stuff :(
Quote from: Monsterlover on April 05, 2013, 06:28:37 PM
Europe gets all the cool stuff :(
Nah. Not really unless you live in Norway or Finland.
Package from SG just showed up!
4 spam cans of 545! SG honored the backorder price!
Both the chameleon and TiAlN are PVD finishes. Richter precision did the finishes...their website has a good explanation of how the finishes are applied. Think of the gold finish on drill bits (TiN). When you add aluminum, you get a dark gray color.
Does anyone have any FHE with the Thompson Center R55 line?
I'm about to pick up an R55 Sporter and I wanna try to get as much info as I can. I know about the infamous "chamber chip" so I will check for that.
There doesn't seem to be much info on these rifles anymore, I've checked on rimfire central and spent hours searching the interwebs. It seems like a solid purchase since almost every review I read was a good review.
Any info would be greatly appreciated, thanks!
The only experience I have with the new TC products is running 5 of the new TC centerfire bolt rifles through my Hunters Sightin Program at the local gunclub last fall. 4 out of the 5 would not fire. The guns were purchased as packages from local sportshops, usually for a new hunter and for one reason or another, the firing pin would not drop, the bolt could not be inserted into the receiver, the bold could not be turned down into the locking lugs, the action screws were not tight, etc, etc. Very under-impressed.
I have two original TC Contenders from the '70's and '80's. They are great, solid, reliable and very accurate. Hate to sound like a broken record on this forum, but get a
CZ 22, the design is far more robust than most new products and the materials and build quality are excellent.
+1 on the CZ...if you can find one.
Quote from: ducpainter on April 09, 2013, 09:20:46 AM
+1 on the CZ...if you can find one.
That's the problem I'm running into, everyone is out of almost everything. And they say there's no point in ordering since the backorder log is so long, I'd be waiting for ever.
Quote from: The Bearded Duc on April 09, 2013, 01:54:12 PM
That's the problem I'm running into, everyone is out of almost everything. And they say there's no point in ordering since the backorder log is so long, I'd be waiting for ever.
Here you go...retailer has a great rep.
http://damascusgunshop.com/shop/rifles/cz-452/cz-452-special-military-training-rifle-22-lr.html (http://damascusgunshop.com/shop/rifles/cz-452/cz-452-special-military-training-rifle-22-lr.html)
edit...
and if you want a semi...
http://damascusgunshop.com/shop/rifles/cz-512/cz-512-22lr.html (http://damascusgunshop.com/shop/rifles/cz-512/cz-512-22lr.html)
Quote from: ducpainter on April 09, 2013, 07:58:14 PM
Here you go...retailer has a great rep.
http://damascusgunshop.com/shop/rifles/cz-452/cz-452-special-military-training-rifle-22-lr.html (http://damascusgunshop.com/shop/rifles/cz-452/cz-452-special-military-training-rifle-22-lr.html)
edit...
and if you want a semi...
http://damascusgunshop.com/shop/rifles/cz-512/cz-512-22lr.html (http://damascusgunshop.com/shop/rifles/cz-512/cz-512-22lr.html)
Thanks DP! [thumbsup]
Forgot to mention that, semi was one of my requirements. However, with the $450 price tag and FFL fees here in CA so high is over $600 too much for that gun?
Quote from: The Bearded Duc on April 10, 2013, 03:51:05 AM
Thanks DP! [thumbsup]
Forgot to mention that, semi was one of my requirements. However, with the $450 price tag and FFL fees here in CA so high is over $600 too much for that gun?
$465 is retail and the rifle is worth every penny of that.
I'd have trouble giving 6 for it.
edit...
How much will an FFL in Cali charge for the transfer? Around here about $25 is normal, and the seller ships free.
In Cali, most(all) shops charge a surcharge on top of the FFL fee. It varies from shop to shop, and is at the shops discretion. sux
Quote from: LowThudd on April 10, 2013, 10:23:32 AM
In Cali, most(all) shops charge a surcharge on top of the FFL fee. It varies from shop to shop, and is at the shops discretion. sux
If you buy a gun from a Cali FFL from his inventory do they add surcharges or charge for the NICS check?
Quote from: ducpainter on April 10, 2013, 06:17:24 AM
$465 is retail and the rifle is worth every penny of that.
I'd have trouble giving 6 for it.
edit...
How much will an FFL in Cali charge for the transfer? Around here about $25 is normal, and the seller ships free.
All of the shops in close proximity to me charge at least a $100 FFL fee, and a lot of times they're hesitant about doing FFLs just because they want the sale of the gun.
Quote from: ducpainter on April 10, 2013, 02:20:21 PM
If you buy a gun from a Cali FFL from his inventory do they add surcharges or charge for the NICS check?
I don't know about a surcharge, per se. Well, it's not stated as such but 7 out of 10 guns are marked higher than MSRP!
On top of that, sales tax in LA is 9%. And yes, they charge for background as well as a DROS (Dealer Record of Sale) fee.
You need to move.
Handgun and mean looking rifle transfers in MD are $100 at the local shops.
I need to move too.....
Quote from: rgramjet on April 10, 2013, 04:20:24 PM
Handgun and mean looking rifle transfers in MD are $100 at the local shops.
I need to move too.....
they are free if you go to the MD State Police Barracks.
Quote from: zooom on April 10, 2013, 04:27:44 PM
they are free if you go to the MD State Police Barracks.
Yea but those are two dots I don't want to connect.....
The highest I've ever seen posted around here is $50. I don't think they'd charge that if you buy stuff from them on a regular basis.
Like I said most places are $20-30.
Quote from: rgramjet on April 10, 2013, 04:39:18 PM
Yea but those are two dots I don't want to connect.....
they get connected anyway....why not connect them for free and save $100...seems like a no brainer to me....that's what I did when I got my .357 and my Remington Model Four 30.06
Quote from: ducpainter on April 10, 2013, 03:38:36 PM
You need to move.
No shit!! That might happen within the next year.
I'd love a $20-30 transfer fee, it would certainly open up my options a little.
Now the milsurp mosin ammo is drying up. I got two more cases of it from spgd and tried to double the order and was told its all done.
Quote from: ducatiz on April 11, 2013, 08:17:21 AM
A lot of the arsenal refurbed mosins showed up with canted front sights. Adjusting the sight fixes most. In some cases the while assembly has to be relocated.
They took barrels off and most did not go back on the same receiver. Hence the front sight being out of alignment.
Moved this from the pic thread...
It shoots way left and way low at 100 yds..
I'll mess with it. I'm sure I can bring it around.
Do you think this is nuts? http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=334890556 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=334890556)
I like HK, but that's ridiculous. $4500 and the reserve hasn't been met.
Quote from: ducpainter on April 11, 2013, 09:00:50 AM
Moved this from the pic thread...
It shoots way left and way low at 100 yds..
I'll mess with it. I'm sure I can bring it around.
If the sight bead has to be moved too far, then the solution is to remove the pin holding the sight, redrill and remount the pin with the next size. not unusual, but a pain in the ass.
if it is off in the right direction, you can also remove the barrel and shave the receiver so that it clocks correctly.
I'm not sure I understand which pin you're referring to.
I'll try this route before I go to those lengths...
http://www.smith-sights.com/ (http://www.smith-sights.com/)
If that doesn't work I'll use Kentucky windage... :P
Quote from: ducpainter on April 11, 2013, 12:38:11 PM
I'm not sure I understand which pin you're referring to.
I'll try this route before I go to those lengths...
http://www.smith-sights.com/ (http://www.smith-sights.com/)
If that doesn't work I'll use Kentucky windage... :P
there is a pin that holds the front sight assembly
Quote from: ducatiz on April 11, 2013, 05:34:50 PM
there is a pin that holds the front sight assembly
I've seen that pin.
So you're saying to rotate the entire front sight on the barrel and then re-pin it?
Quote from: ducpainter on April 11, 2013, 05:57:58 PM
I've seen that pin.
So you're saying to rotate the entire front sight on the barrel and then re-pin it?
that is one fix. you have to use a slightly larger pin like 0.01mm whatever the next step is.
the sight assembly is pressed on too, it has to be heated to get it off. same deal as on the chinese SKSs that have the same problem, but for different reasons.
alternatively, if the cant is opposite the barrel thread, you can remove the barrel and sand down the receiver face. that's preferable.
Just picked up some stuff I saw on the shelf! First I found a Keltec PMR-30(2nd Gen). Then I found a keltec Sub 2000 in 9mm Glock! As if these are not "Mythical" guns right now, I also found a Just right Carbine in 45ACP! I have been trying to get one since the election. All three came home with me. I still have no idea how I found a PMR-30 on the shelf in MD. [thumbsup]
Quote from: ducrider45 on April 11, 2013, 10:44:08 PM
Just picked up some stuff I saw on the shelf! First I found a Keltec PMR-30(2nd Gen). Then I found a keltec Sub 2000 in 9mm Glock! As if these are not "Mythical" guns right now, I also found a Just right Carbine in 45ACP! I have been trying to get one since the election. All three came home with me. I still have no idea how I found a PMR-30 on the shelf in MD. [thumbsup]
Pics in the gun pic thread? I'm not familiar with all of those but they sound better then buying a couch ;D
Quote from: ducrider45 on April 11, 2013, 10:44:08 PM
Just picked up some stuff I saw on the shelf! First I found a Keltec PMR-30(2nd Gen). Then I found a keltec Sub 2000 in 9mm Glock! As if these are not "Mythical" guns right now, I also found a Just right Carbine in 45ACP! I have been trying to get one since the election. All three came home with me. I still have no idea how I found a PMR-30 on the shelf in MD. [thumbsup]
What is 9mm Glock?
Quote from: kopfjäger on April 11, 2013, 11:07:55 PM
What is 9mm Glock?
The KelTec Sub2000 uses Glock 17 magazines
sure thing!
Quote from: kopfjäger on April 11, 2013, 11:07:55 PM
What is 9mm Glock?
That rifle is made to use several different Magazines. so a sub 2000 "in 9mm Glock" meand that it is chambered in 9mm and uses glock mags. It is rare to find one for sale. It is even more rare in MD.
Quote from: ducatiz on April 11, 2013, 11:18:36 PM
The KelTec Sub2000 uses Glock 19 magazines
Oh, but it shoots 9mm, no? Not Glock 9mm?
Quote from: ducatiz on April 11, 2013, 11:18:36 PM
The KelTec Sub2000 uses Glock 19 magazines
Or a few others, mine is the coveted glock model.
Quote from: kopfjäger on April 11, 2013, 11:23:16 PM
Oh, but it shoots 9mm, no? Not Glock 9mm?
That is the model designation. It sounds funny to me too. that is how they describe it. they also make the same rifle in S&W and I think Ruger configurations.
Quote from: ducrider45 on April 11, 2013, 11:24:45 PM
Or a few others, mine is the coveted glock model.
Coveted why?
It is very hard to find one. The production numbers are low. When you do find them the price is usually 3 times MSRP. It is almost impossible to get one in a store as well. They sell before they make it to the shelf.
I think the appeal is that it is a low cost, light weight, folding sub-caliber carbine. Glock offers a lot of choices in 9mm magazines as well. It will accept any of them over 10 rounds. 10 to 100, your choice. [thumbsup]
Quote from: ducrider45 on April 11, 2013, 11:38:29 PM
It is very hard to find one. The production numbers are low. When you do find them the price is usually 3 times MSRP. It is almost impossible to get one in a store as well. They sell before they make it to the shelf.
[drink]
Quote from: Monsterlover on April 11, 2013, 10:55:13 PM
Pics in the gun pic thread? I'm not familiar with all of those but they sound better then buying a couch ;D
Done. ;D
Quote from: The Bearded Duc on April 10, 2013, 02:54:59 PM
All of the shops in close proximity to me charge at least a $100 FFL fee, and a lot of times they're hesitant about doing FFLs just because they want the sale of the gun.
I don't know about a surcharge, per se. Well, it's not stated as such but 7 out of 10 guns are marked higher than MSRP!
On top of that, sales tax in LA is 9%. And yes, they charge for background as well as a DROS (Dealer Record of Sale) fee.
http://www.straightlinetactical.com/Page_2.html (http://www.straightlinetactical.com/Page_2.html)
The DROS fee IS the background. There is no additional background fee on top of the $25 DROS fee.
What are all these "fees" you speak of? In Texas since I have a carry license I do not have to go through a "waiting period" nor do I have to pay any extra fees for anything. Just the price of the gun and the normal state sales tax... fill out the standard 4473/yellow sheet, pay the FFL dealer for the gun and out the door I go.
What's going on in all these other states that I am glad I don't live in?
In NH if you buy a firearm online it has to be transferred from the seller to you by an FFL.
Same in Texas.
That's what the $20 fee is for.
Quote from: fastwin on April 12, 2013, 10:33:53 AM
What are all these "fees" you speak of? In Texas since I have a carry license I do not have to go through a "waiting period" nor do I have to pay any extra fees for anything. Just the price of the gun and the normal state sales tax... fill out the standard 4473/yellow sheet, pay the FFL dealer for the gun and out the door I go.
What's going on in all these other states that I am glad I don't live in?
Some states actually have an approved system whereby the NICS check is waived if the purchaser has a CCW. These states do regular updates on their CCW holders and are listed on the ATF website as "Brady alternative" states.
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/brady-law/permit-chart.html (http://www.atf.gov/firearms/brady-law/permit-chart.html)
Quote from: ducpainter on April 12, 2013, 10:38:56 AM
In NH if you buy a firearm online it has to be transferred from the seller to you by an FFL.
Same in Texas.
That's what the $20 fee is for.
Same in Maine. No wating period either.
In MD, you can buy a rifle or shotgun same day.......... fill out the form and walk out with it.
A "regulated weapon" (handgun or rifle/shotgun that's on The List) requires a 7 day waiting period in addition to a 1/2 hour gun safety video.
They give you a card after watching the video so you only have to watch it once.
Quote from: rgramjet on April 12, 2013, 12:36:54 PM
In MD, you can buy a rifle or shotgun same day.......... fill out the form and walk out with it.
A "regulated weapon" (handgun or rifle/shotgun that's on The List) requires a 7 day waiting period in addition to a 1/2 hour gun safety video.
They give you a card after watching the video so you only have to watch it once.
7 days [laugh] [bang] [puke] I just waited 45 days for that .22 Mag. I hear that the wait right now is over 60 days! MSP is swamped with the paperwork and background checks. Some big box stores are even making people wait for non-regulated guns. They are telling people that NICS is "down or not working right now". It's a joke! If you are a designated collector in MD it takes even longer because they have had a lot of people lying about that and trying to buy multiple guns at one time.
I bought a new cz pistol.
Waited 10 minutes so the guy could finish his Saratoga
Maryland sucks
Quote from: ducatiz on April 12, 2013, 02:01:47 PM
I bought a new cz pistol.
Waited 10 minutes so the guy could finish his Saratoga
Maryland sucks
Which one?
Quote from: ducpainter on April 12, 2013, 02:07:32 PM
Which one?
A beater 75. Good shape. Old style pre B.
I have an 85 but its brand new and a 1990 unmarked import. Might be worth more as is.
Quote from: ducatiz on April 12, 2013, 02:15:50 PM
A beater 75. Good shape. Old style pre B.
I have an 85 but its brand new and a 1990 unmarked import. Might be worth more as is.
Only thing ever wrong with them usually is the finish. [thumbsup]
Quote from: hbliam on April 11, 2013, 11:44:30 PM
http://www.straightlinetactical.com/Page_2.html (http://www.straightlinetactical.com/Page_2.html)
The DROS fee IS the background. There is no additional background fee on top of the $25 DROS fee.
That's not bad, $70 plus tax sure beats close to $150 plus tax!! And driving out to Anaheim isn't all that bad, I'd go further if it meant I didn't have to pay almost twice what the gun normally goes for.
Thanks for the link [thumbsup]
What would a "brake adapter" be used for?
1/2-28 on the inside, 13/16-16 on the outside, some knurling and some slots.
Quote from: Monsterlover on April 12, 2013, 03:13:08 PM
What would a "brake adapter" be used for?
1/2-28 on the inside, 13/16-16 on the outside, some knurling and some slots.
adapting an inch-FAL muzzle device to an AR
Quote from: ducatiz on April 12, 2013, 03:29:10 PM
adapting an inch-FAL muzzle device to an AR
Why would someone want to do that?
Quote from: Monsterlover on April 12, 2013, 04:08:47 PM
Why would someone want to do that?
To make the beast with two backs with you
sort of like these:
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/762-x-25-rifle-chamber-insert.aspx?a=650814 (http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/762-x-25-rifle-chamber-insert.aspx?a=650814)
convert your mosin from 7.62x54 (20c per round) to use 7.62x25 (which is now around 50c per round)
gun people make stuff "just because"
Quote from: ducatiz on April 12, 2013, 04:30:55 PM
To make the beast with two backs with you
You've got mail.
Quote from: ducatiz on April 12, 2013, 04:30:55 PM
To make the beast with two backs with you
sort of like these:
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/762-x-25-rifle-chamber-insert.aspx?a=650814 (http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/762-x-25-rifle-chamber-insert.aspx?a=650814)
convert your mosin from 7.62x54 (20c per round) to use 7.62x25 (which is now around 50c per round)
gun people make stuff "just because"
hateful, just hateful. now I have to buy two
Quote from: ducatiz on April 12, 2013, 04:30:55 PM
To make the beast with two backs with you
sort of like these:
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/762-x-25-rifle-chamber-insert.aspx?a=650814 (http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/762-x-25-rifle-chamber-insert.aspx?a=650814)
convert your mosin from 7.62x54 (20c per round) to use 7.62x25 (which is now around 50c per round)
gun people make stuff "just because"
I see gun people buy stuff for the same reason :D
Quote from: ducatiz on April 12, 2013, 04:30:55 PM
To make the beast with two backs with you
sort of like these:
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/762-x-25-rifle-chamber-insert.aspx?a=650814 (http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/762-x-25-rifle-chamber-insert.aspx?a=650814)
convert your mosin from 7.62x54 (20c per round) to use 7.62x25 (which is now around 50c per round)
gun people make stuff "just because"
Quote
Low recoil meets low noise! Now you can make your 7.62x54R or .303 cal. Rifle more "town friendly" quiet. This blued steel Rifle Chamber Insert converts your gun to 7.62x25.
"Town Friendly?"
I do so hate being woken up by drive-by shootings!
Gun people are also considerate of others :D
Made this today on the lathe. Its a start.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/900rider/SMT/IMG_20130413_181733_zpsa6ec9066.jpg)
Quote from: Monsterlover on April 13, 2013, 06:23:41 PM
Made this today on the lathe. Its a start.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/900rider/SMT/IMG_20130413_181733_zpsa6ec9066.jpg)
What does said muzzle brake fit?
Quote from: Monsterlover on April 13, 2013, 06:23:41 PM
Made this today on the lathe. Its a start.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/900rider/SMT/IMG_20130413_181733_zpsa6ec9066.jpg)
I want one! (But I want an even more [evil] looking one)
(http://www.tromix.com/images/saiga-parts/Shark.jpg)
Send me a quote?
Nothing yet, there are no threads in it.
I was going to thread it 1/2 28 for an AR
What sizes threads do you need?
Quote from: Bick on April 13, 2013, 06:30:34 PM
I want one! (But I want an even more [evil] looking one)
(http://www.tromix.com/images/saiga-parts/Shark.jpg)
Send me a quote?
That looks awesome and I can totally make it.
Quote from: Monsterlover on April 13, 2013, 06:32:05 PM
Nothing yet, there are no threads in it.
I was going to thread it 1/2 28 for an AR
What sizes threads do you need?
I still need to get it threaded. Trying to find some time to take the barrel to a smith to have it re-blued. Will see about having that done at the same time.
For a 12ga.
Quote from: Monsterlover on April 13, 2013, 06:32:05 PM
Nothing yet, there are no threads in it.
I was going to thread it 1/2 28 for an AR
What sizes threads do you need?
I have nothing with threads.
Quote from: ducpainter on April 13, 2013, 06:46:24 PM
Are trees threaded now?
No, this would be a self threading device in your application :)
Quote from: Monsterlover on April 13, 2013, 06:53:41 PM
No, this would be a self threading device in your application :)
In that case it might work.
Quote from: Bick on April 13, 2013, 06:30:34 PM
(http://www.tromix.com/images/saiga-parts/Shark.jpg)
That one looks similar to the Royal Arms break, that can be used to 'breach' rebar with an AR.
Quote from: kopfjäger on April 13, 2013, 08:30:23 PM
That one looks similar to the Royal Arms break, that can be used to 'breach' rebar with an AR.
Rebar? That sounds like a disaster. When would you need to use an ar to cut rebar?
Quote from: Monsterlover on April 13, 2013, 08:37:44 PM
Rebar? That sounds like a disaster. When would you need to use an ar to cut rebar?
I've done it and it works, just takes too much time, but if you didn't have a quicke saw it could be a viable option.
Quote from: Monsterlover on April 13, 2013, 06:34:59 PM
That looks awesome and I can totally make it.
with the angle of the cuts? that's the important bit.
Will one round cut the bar or do you need multiple hits to sever?
Quote from: ducatiz on April 13, 2013, 08:50:14 PM
with the angle of the cuts? that's the important bit.
Pff, please.
I can cut the angles ;)
Quote from: Monsterlover on April 13, 2013, 08:51:09 PM
Will one round cut the bar or do you need multiple hits to sever?
One round cuts each piece of rebar, then you move to the next etc., like I said it takes time.
Funny...used my H&K G3 for branch removal ;D
.410 shotguns won't cut rebar, but they're good for removing mistletoe from trees.
JM
I don't foresee a huge need to be breaching rebar with my 12ga in the near future. Most doors around are hollow core, and my boot would be sufficient.
Quote from: Bick on April 14, 2013, 12:18:53 PM
I don't foresee a huge need to be breaching rebar with my 12ga in the near future. Most doors around are hollow core, and my boot would be sufficient.
Yeah but where's the fun in that?
Quote from: Monsterlover on April 14, 2013, 12:36:52 PM
Yeah but where's the fun in that?
Oh, for the one situation I can think of that I would need to be breaching a locked door, there is plenty of fun factor. [evil]
^ what he said! ;D [beer]
Quote from: ducatiz on April 12, 2013, 02:01:47 PM
I bought a new cz pistol.
Waited 10 minutes so the guy could finish his Saratoga
Maryland sucks
No more true statement has ever been spoken in the history of mankind. They tax the rain here (not a joke), so why not have a 60+ day wait for a gun? [roll] :'(
Quote from: the_Journeyman on April 14, 2013, 12:11:44 PM
.410 shotguns won't cut rebar, but they're good for removing mistletoe from trees.
JM
Maybe load some shells really hot and use a tungsten core slug?
Quote from: ducrider45 on April 16, 2013, 03:31:03 PM
No more true statement has ever been spoken in the history of mankind. They tax the rain here (not a joke), so why not have a 60+ wait for a gun?
Carefull there big fella. ;) Tax laws are a stones throw from politics 'round these here parts. Don't want to rile our good friend and beloved admin Nate. ;D [beer]
They tax rain? What the hell is rain? It never rains here! [bang] [laugh]
Quote from: fastwin on April 16, 2013, 07:57:36 PM
Carefull there big fella. ;) Tax laws are a stones throw from politics 'round these here parts. Don't want to rile our good friend and beloved admin Nate. ;D [beer]
They tax rain? What the hell is rain? It never rains here! [bang] [laugh]
Point well taken. I will not talk political type things here.
For you rain is this mythical chemical compound (dihydrogen monoxide) that falls from the sky. I hear it only happen when you upset the gods or if you make great sacrifices to them. I'm not sure which it is in your neck of the woods. Either way in my neck of the woods we are charged for the privilege of knowing this great chemical compound that falls freely from the space above our heads.
Quote from: ducrider45 on April 17, 2013, 11:56:49 AM
Point well taken. I will not talk political type things here.
For you rain is this mythical chemical compound (Hydrogendioxide) that falls from the sky. I hear it only happen when you upset the gods or if you make great sacrifices to them. I'm not sure which it is in your neck of the woods. Either way in my neck of the woods we are charged for the privilege of knowing this great chemical compound that falls freely from the space above our heads.
Now go and bring religion into this! ;D
I've recently been bitten by a bug for old military rifles.
I already have a Mosin and an Enfield.
I think my next purchase is going to be a 1903.
I'd love some suggestions of other old military guns that're going for 600 bucks or less though.
Are there any out there?
Quote from: ducrider45 on April 17, 2013, 11:56:49 AM
Point well taken. I will not talk political type things here.
For you rain is this mythical chemical compound (Hydrogendioxide) that falls from the sky. I hear it only happen when you upset the gods or if you make great sacrifices to them. I'm not sure which it is in your neck of the woods. Either way in my neck of the woods we are charged for the privilege of knowing this great chemical compound that falls freely from the space above our heads.
Maybe that's why they're taxing it.
If it were dihydrogen monoxide, like the rest of us get, maybe it'd be free. ;D
03'S and 03-A3's are great. Mausers are fun, the Swiss Schmitt Rubins are fun (the K31's are phenomenal shooters) I am just going through a Carcano phase (just picked up a Beretta made Carcano Carbine) British Enfields, P14 and P17 Enfields, Arisaka's.......Its a mighty slippery slope you are standing on.
I think the K31 Schmitt Rubins are very interesting and a great value. Many of them, if you take off the buttplate, have a small tag engraved with the person's information the rifle was issued to by the Swiss military. They are finely made weapons with all sorts of subtle Swiss details. Every one I have had experience with has been ridiculously accurate. Accurate, fun , interesting rifles.
A good '03 or 03-A3 are excellent guns also. Typically very accurate, ammunition is common. There are getting to be more Springfield and Garand matches where you can compete with these
rifles without getting into too much of an equipment race.
I am an inveterate reloader and love finding old, obscure rifles and getting them to shoot. Forming brass from other calibers, figuring out how to make, adapt or acquire odd diameter bullets and
getting these old rifles to shoot is no end of fun for me.
Quote from: Rameses on April 18, 2013, 11:21:40 AM
I've recently been bitten by a bug for old military rifles.
I already have a Mosin and an Enfield.
I think my next purchase is going to be a 1903.
I'd love some suggestions of other old military guns that're going for 600 bucks or less though.
Are there any out there?
Maybe that's why they're taxing it.
If it were dihydrogen monoxide, like the rest of us get, maybe it'd be free. ;D
Assuming that you are in the US,I would recommend a Curio's & Relic's FFL. It is only $35 and the cost of the fingerprints. This would allow you to buy direct and get Wholesale pricing on anything that is 50+ years old. This also includes handguns and some SBRs (if they are on the list). On NFA weapons you still get the "dealer price", but would have to still get a tax stamp. It allows you to import weapons as well. It will save you lots of cash on the older items that you are seeking.
(dihydrogen monoxide) Opps! good catch, Ill fix that.
Quote from: Rameses on April 18, 2013, 11:21:40 AM
I'd love some suggestions of other old military guns that're going for 600 bucks or less though.
Are there any out there?
I am very partial to old military guns. Check out http://www.surplusrifle.com/ (http://www.surplusrifle.com/) for some fun and useful info.
I am very partial to Spanish mausers. I have a few, and you can get the later models (FR7, FR8) in 7.62nato caliber.
Like WarrenJ I have a Swiss rifle bug too, I have the Schmidt Ruben K31, but I warn you the ammo is not cheap -- it uses the proprietary 7.5 Swiss, and it's not cheap anymore. I bought a bunch of the Swiss ammo packs when it was cheap years ago, but it's all gone now and you're stuck with resellers and commercial ammo. The good news is that you can get brass for 7.5 Swiss and it uses the same projectiles as 7.62nato (308).
There are multiple versions of the Mosins around. The most common are the M44 which was the last version made. The ComBloc made a huge batch of them postwar and put them in storage. The Finn Mosins are the best quality, most of them are based off a 91/30 receiver but a Finn barrel, and they are worlds apart in accuracy. Plus, Mosin ammo is still cheap.
Also, the Yugo mausers (M48, M48A) are great shooters -- all 8mm. 8mm is still available in milsurp and cheapish, though not as cheap as 7.62x54 mosin. 8mm is damn hot though and will kiss your shoulder well if you're not careful.
If you aren't afraid of oddball ammo, check out the Swedish mausers (Karl Gustav) and the Swiss rifles. They are beautifully made and very accurate. If you want rifles with easier to obtain ammo, check into the 7.62 nato Spanish mausers and the Mosins.
There are a shitload of other countries in the mix too. I am very partial to almost anything from the Loewe factory -- Loewe mausers were exported from Germany to all over and you can get Argentina, Chile, etc and they are in good shape. Czech mausers were boxed up and sent to Israel in the 50s and rebarreled in 7.62nato, and those are good quality but beat up.
If you want semiautos, I like the FN49 a lot. Those came in 8mm, 7mm and 30-06 (rare). Also, the Ljungman or Hakim. I have both in 8mm and love them.
For the Glock shooters out there; have you altered any part of the trigger mechanism? If so, what did you do, and what are your thoughts? I'm thinking about experimenting around with one of my 17s, am am curious what mods you've tried.
I put in the Lone Wolf 3.5 lb and love it.
Quote from: DRKWNG on April 23, 2013, 09:08:03 PM
For the Glock shooters out there; have you altered any part of the trigger mechanism? If so, what did you do, and what are your thoughts? I'm thinking about experimenting around with one of my 17s, am am curious what mods you've tried.
Go with the set up Frank has on his website.
Quote from: kopfjäger on April 23, 2013, 09:28:03 PM
Go with the set up Frank has on his website.
I was looking at that one. Not sure if I'm looking to lighten the pull so much. More interested in a crisper break, and possibly shorter reset.
Quote from: DRKWNG on April 23, 2013, 09:45:04 PM
I was looking at that one. Not sure if I'm looking to lighten the pull so much. More interested in a crisper break, and possibly shorter reset.
That'll do it. Ask me how I know. ;)
Hmmmm... How do you know?
:D
Quote from: DRKWNG on April 23, 2013, 09:51:42 PM
Hmmmm... How do you know?
:D
This one time at Band Camp.
Quote from: kopfjäger on April 23, 2013, 09:59:17 PM
This one time at Band Camp.
you stuck a flute in your cat?
Quote from: kopfjäger on April 23, 2013, 09:28:03 PM
Go with the set up Frank has on his website.
Got the link so I don't have to go looking?
Quote from: DRKWNG on April 23, 2013, 09:51:42 PM
Hmmmm... How do you know?
:D
Almost like you have gone shooting once or twice... ;)
http://www.wayofthegun.us/ (http://www.wayofthegun.us/)
Ordered a new rifle today. :)
(http://www.airgunsofarizona.com/RWS/Model-470-TH.png)
RWS 470 target hunter in .177, along with a Hawke Eclipse 4 x 16 x 50 scope and mount.
Airguns of Arizona is going to mount the scope, zero it, and ship it up.
Can't wait to start plinking off the back deck, ;D for cheap. (500 pellets under $10)
Almost bought an M&P9 today...
Is that a spring piston gun or a gas spring? I had a RWS 48 for a while. I am really debating which way to go for a powerful airgun that is accurate and long term reliable. I love the performance of the PCP guns, but I think a well designed spring piston gun is probably more reliable and usable without having to deal with the air tanks. That is a slick looking rig.
Quote from: WarrenJ on April 30, 2013, 07:52:18 PM
Is that a spring piston gun or a gas spring? I had a RWS 48 for a while. I am really debating which way to go for a powerful airgun that is accurate and long term reliable. I love the performance of the PCP guns, but I think a well designed spring piston gun is probably more reliable and usable without having to deal with the air tanks. That is a slick looking rig.
Under lever spring piston. AoA said they were going to chronograph it during set-up, I'll let you know the fps and pellet weight when I find out.
I agree on PCP, if you lived close to a dive shop that refilled tanks they would be the way to go. I don't so I went with a springer.
Quote from: DRKWNG on April 30, 2013, 07:45:20 PM
Almost bought an M&P9 today...
I almost bought a semi-auto FND BAR, but then I realized they don't exist. [wine]
FN-D Bar Light Machine Gun (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0auBJ1F7Zw#)
i don't have a gun but my father is a retired soldier so we have couple of weapons at home. a revolver but i can't remember the brand, a Beretta Cheetah and a Zigana T which is a Turkish Gun. let me show you
(http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/1714/ziganatsiyahyo4.jpg)
Quote from: poorleno on May 01, 2013, 08:36:05 PM
i don't have a gun but my father is a retired soldier so we have couple of weapons at home. a revolver but i can't remember the brand, a Beretta Cheetah and a Zigana T which is a Turkish Gun. let me show you
We've gotten a few brands from Turkiye -- Huglu, Sarsilmaz and most recently Canik. All of them are well made.
Quote from: ducatiz on May 01, 2013, 09:36:03 PM
We've gotten a few brands from Turkiye -- Huglu, Sarsilmaz and most recently Canik. All of them are well made.
yes, HuÄŸlu makes hunting rifles and Canik is a similar brand to TÄ°SAÅž (the maker of the Zigana T). and where are you btw, israel?
Quote from: poorleno on May 01, 2013, 10:38:25 PM
yes, HuÄŸlu makes hunting rifles and Canik is a similar brand to TÄ°SAÅž (the maker of the Zigana T). and where are you btw, israel?
We get all those brands here in the US.
There is also another Turk brand of shotgun sold by CZ, besides the Huglu, in the 612 line.
Quote from: ducpainter on May 02, 2013, 03:47:04 AM
We get all those brands here in the US.
There is also another Turk brand of shotgun sold by CZ, besides the Huglu, in the 612 line.
well i didn't know they sell those firearms over US. thanks for the info (=
Quote from: poorleno on May 01, 2013, 10:38:25 PM
yes, HuÄŸlu makes hunting rifles and Canik is a similar brand to TÄ°SAÅž (the maker of the Zigana T). and where are you btw, israel?
No, US. I was in Israel for a few years only. All of those are imported to the US -- the Canik has a good reputation as a CZ clone, which is pretty popular here.
No Tofas cars though.. >:( [laugh]
Quote from: ducatiz on May 02, 2013, 06:08:15 AM
No, US. I was in Israel for a few years only. All of those are imported to the US -- the Canik has a good reputation as a CZ clone, which is pretty popular here.
No Tofas cars though.. >:( [laugh]
they all will be extint soon, don't worry :D at least that's our hope (=
No pics yet, but I walked into my LGS and happened to see on the wall, a Remington 700 LTR in .308. It hurt a bit, but I replaced the LTR that I traded last year for the SCAR. Of course, now I need a new mount, rings, and scope. Needless to say, it might be a while before it makes it to the range.
Quote from: Dannyboy on May 02, 2013, 08:00:14 AM
No pics yet, but I walked into my LGS and happened to see on the wall, a Remington 700 LTR in .308. It hurt a bit, but I replaced the LTR that I traded last year for the SCAR. Of course, now I need a new mount, rings, and scope. Needless to say, it might be a while before it makes it to the range.
Sweet Rifle!
Ive been thinking about selling my PSS.
Look at this Muthaa!
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=341408676 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=341408676)
Even if you missed the muzzle blast might save your life. lol
I think I would rather have an extra inch of barrel with a muzz break though.
Quote from: LowThudd on May 11, 2013, 04:52:29 PM
Look at this Muthaa!
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=341408676 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=341408676)
Even if you missed the muzzle blast might save your life. lol
I think I would rather have an extra inch of barrel with a muzz break though.
no thanks.
$2 per round and your wrists are gone after a box. where is the fun?
looky hir....... https://www.friscogunclubinc.com/ (https://www.friscogunclubinc.com/) I just bought my membership. [drink] [drink] [drink] [drink]
wish we had something like that nearby..
Quote from: ducatiz on May 11, 2013, 05:55:25 PM
no thanks.
$2 per round and your wrists are gone after a box. where is the fun?
Purely for backwoods light carry bear defence. Not a plinker for sure. One of my favorite guns is the .50ae Desert Eagle. Meant to fire just a few rounds, ended up going through the box. That was $50 down the range in @ 15min. Wrists did not hurt at all, though my palms were abrased a bit.
I am considering a Mag research BFR in 45-70 to go along with my marlin. Now that is one nice single action.
nah, you don't need a 500 to deal with a bear unless the bears by you are 22 feet tall and are radioactive.
i like the idea of the .500 mag but jeebus, it's just too much with too little utility
the DE has the advantage of a gas system and a slide.
Quote from: ducatiz on May 11, 2013, 07:12:20 PM
nah, you don't need a 500 to deal with a bear unless the bears by you are 22 feet tall and are radioactive.
i like the idea of the .500 mag but jeebus, it's just too much with too little utility
the DE has the advantage of a gas system and a slide.
Another great(and cheaper) option is a 1911 chambered in 460 Rowland. Nearly the same ballistics as a .44 mag, but autoloading with an 8 shot mag. Will still fire .45 ACP for plinking too. lol
yeah, well.. you like the rarer cartridges, i'd just go with 44mag and be happy i can put 44 spl in it.
most bears won't argue too much if you pepper them with 44 mag.
True, but the 1911 fits my hand like a glove. That was the second hand gun I ever fired, at around 14 years old. But it is not powerfull enough for hunting or backwoods deffence in ACP. 460 is just a lengthened and strengthened cartridge half way between ACP and 45 win mag.
I hear you on the 44 mag. Elmer Keith is one of my all time heroes. He killed just about every large animal on the earth with a hot loaded 44, at one time or another. And at 300 yards and beyond on occasion. I am currently reading "Hell, I was there". Great book to read if you haven't yet.
nope never read it. maybe i'll check it out.
Quote from: ducatiz on May 11, 2013, 07:38:53 PM
nope never read it. maybe i'll check it out.
Being a 44 fan, you really should read up on the "Father" of the 44 mag. Here is something to wet your interest. http://garyreederdoeselmerkeith.blogspot.com/2009/03/elmer-keiths-influence-on-handgun.html (http://garyreederdoeselmerkeith.blogspot.com/2009/03/elmer-keiths-influence-on-handgun.html)
"Hell, I was There" has been OOP for many years. You'll have to download a copy like I did. or spend +$100 for a vintage one.
Quote from: LowThudd on May 11, 2013, 04:52:29 PM
Look at this Muthaa!
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=341408676 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=341408676)
Even if you missed the muzzle blast might save your life. lol
I think I would rather have an extra inch of barrel with a muzz break though.
That thing should have an axle, wheels and a trailer hitch.
I have finally started working on my next pig slayer. Remington LTR in .308 with the 40X trigger. This is the first time I've painted a stock. I'm pleased with the results!
(http://catie.smugmug.com/photos/i-vp452TS/0/XL/i-vp452TS-XL.jpg)
Looks dam nice! What process did you use?
Thanks [beer] The process is incredibly easy. Rustoleum textured spray paint for the base, and Krylon webbing spray for the stringy effect. The textured base makes for a very sure grip, and is supposed to hold up well. I sanded the cheek weld area a bit to save some skin while shooting.
[thumbsup]
Nice work Zach! [beer]
for all Mosin owners feast... http://www.promagindustries.com/product-p/aa9130.htm (http://www.promagindustries.com/product-p/aa9130.htm)
Quote from: muskrat on May 22, 2013, 09:34:56 PM
for all Mosin owners feast... http://w.promagindustries.com/product-p/aa9130.htm (http://www.promagindustries.com/product-p/aa9130.htm)
:o :o
they even have a set up for the Ruger 10-22.
I'm guessing you're biting like me. 8)
Anyone know about the 17 Winchester Super Mag rimfire, any other rifle besides Savage? It is supposed to be out by now but there's very little information besides factory sites. I have Coyotes waiting for it, 3000 fps rimfire / sweet.
I mention this all the time to my shooting buddies (it's a common topic) but where in the hell did all the .22lr ammo go? Haven't been able to find a single box here in Dallas in over half a year... maybe longer!
Went to my farm in east Texas this weekend and hit the Wal-Mart in Mineola to look for some. Had the same problem a few years ago in Dallas only to find a three foot tall stack of "bricks" at this country town Wal-Mart.
Not any more. Once again I stopped by on the way home and the guy at the gun/fishing counter said the last .22 ammo they saw was before Thanksgiving! He said they had maybe 4-5 boxes (don't know if he meant bricks or 50 rnd boxes) and he said they were gone in 10 minutes.
All my usual on line ammo sites are bone dry. Heck, even the Wal-Mart had maybe 2-3 boxes of odd ball rifle ammo and a handful of boxes of shotgun birdshot. That's it.
I am sure people are saving their "big boy" ammo and shooting .22s but jeez... can't the manufacturers keep up with the demand. We aren't talking .50 bmg or .338 mag here! It's just .22lr plinking ammo for God's sake!
If anyone has an outlet for reasonably priced, quality, high velocity, jacketed .22lr ammo please share with us. Better still, just PM me so no one else finds out! [laugh] [evil]
Don't hold your breath.
There just isn't any...or not much to speak of.
Walmarts get shipments a couple of time a week and get a few boxes of everything they order. It's gone in minutes.
That's the way it seems to me and that's what the associate said. Jeez... only 5 boxes since before Thanksgiving! Insane. [bang]
Again, why hasn't production caught up with demand. I can guess where it's all going but why haven't the makers kicked it into 6th gear with the throttle pinned?
They have.
Firearms sales have been at record levels for months.
All those people are buying ammo...22 or any caliber.
Then you have the hoarders and the opportunists.
The system is maxed out.
Stay calm...it will settle down.
Quote from: fastwin on May 27, 2013, 06:59:30 PM
That's the way it seems to me and that's what the associate said. Jeez... only 5 boxes since before Thanksgiving! Insane. [bang]
Again, why hasn't production caught up with demand. I can guess where it's all going but why haven't the makers kicked it into 6th gear with the throttle pinned?
Manufacturers only have so much capacity and so much ability to increase capacity in a short time.
Its hard to get ahead when orders are at a 5000% level.
I talked recently with a software guy that has his product at Sig sauer on their cnc machines. He said they have a half billion or billion (been a while, either way, a lot) dollar back log. He said they cant buy cnc machines or hire workers fast enough.
So, what I'm getting at Brian, is that its not all about you
;)
;D
Quote from: Monsterlover on May 27, 2013, 07:11:56 PM
Manufacturers only have so much capacity and so much ability to increase capacity in a short time.
<snip>
...and how long will the increased sales last?
Maybe I'll hang on to that case of 22 ammo. Sorry Muskrat! [beer] [cheeky]
Quote from: ducpainter on May 27, 2013, 07:14:51 PM
...and how long will the increased sales last?
Hard tellin
Anyone's guess.
Someone should make a graph with 22lr as currency and compare it to the dollar, euro etc ;D
My concern is what quality levels are being held with the rimfire ammo. I have a goodly supply but I'd like to know I can replace what I use with ammo that is at least as good quality.
I am certain that the standards are sliding a bit with the demand the way it is. I am more comfortable shooting centerfire I can reload right now than shooting rimfire. I can get some powder
and most primers and I can swage or cast just about any bullet I need so right now, some centerfires make a bit more sense. Weird situation.
As far as that new high speed 17 rimfire, details seem to be hard to come by yet. Certainly sounds interesting! That extra bullet weight and velocity will certainly make it a better killer on the larger varmints than the 17 HMR. The HMR is a fantastic little caliber in a very narrow window but it is certainly not a versatile, general use cartridge.
Quote from: Monsterlover on May 27, 2013, 07:17:31 PM
Someone should make a graph with 22lr as currency and compare it to the dollar, euro etc ;D
My friends and I have discussed this too... ammo is the new currency! I'll trade you x cases of ammo for this job, etc.
Raux, we will need room and board when you move to Okie land
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=OQnU1t7UzgM# (http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=OQnU1t7UzgM#)
This looks like fun...
"Gnat" shooting -RC Planes and Shotguns! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CLLAKnVej9o#)
Id say :D
I've been to a few machine gun shoots outside of Hot Springs, Arkansas years ago. Tons of fun! Wish I had the video tape of my ex-wife shooting a 1918 Browning belt fed gun on a tri-pod. Probably the only nice thing I remember about her. [laugh] [laugh]
For those who don't know, Turners Outdoorsman is hosting a shooting event this weekend. I made clips of the e-mail I got.
(http://i834.photobucket.com/albums/zz267/LowThudd/Capture1_zpsec5f1575.jpg) (http://s834.photobucket.com/user/LowThudd/media/Capture1_zpsec5f1575.jpg.html)
(http://i834.photobucket.com/albums/zz267/LowThudd/Capture2-2_zps6e7b5455.jpg) (http://s834.photobucket.com/user/LowThudd/media/Capture2-2_zps6e7b5455.jpg.html)
(http://i834.photobucket.com/albums/zz267/LowThudd/Capture3-1_zps1303b1ca.jpg) (http://s834.photobucket.com/user/LowThudd/media/Capture3-1_zps1303b1ca.jpg.html)
(http://i834.photobucket.com/albums/zz267/LowThudd/Capture4_zps58801856.jpg) (http://s834.photobucket.com/user/LowThudd/media/Capture4_zps58801856.jpg.html)
(http://i834.photobucket.com/albums/zz267/LowThudd/Capture5_zps2705624d.jpg) (http://s834.photobucket.com/user/LowThudd/media/Capture5_zps2705624d.jpg.html)
(http://i834.photobucket.com/albums/zz267/LowThudd/Capture6_zps647a1486.jpg) (http://s834.photobucket.com/user/LowThudd/media/Capture6_zps647a1486.jpg.html)
we need to know these things ahead of time so we can plan a Ducatisti revival while shooting up ethanol expanded tanks.
I'd show up, period
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/06/05/watch-former-army-rangers-unbelievable-1000-yard-off-hand-shot-with-50-cal-rifle/?utm_source=linkedin&utm_medium=story&utm_campaign=Share%20Buttons (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/06/05/watch-former-army-rangers-unbelievable-1000-yard-off-hand-shot-with-50-cal-rifle/?utm_source=linkedin&utm_medium=story&utm_campaign=Share%20Buttons)
There is just something about girls shooting guns that are bigger than them. ;D [evil] ;D [thumbsup]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EvPELRcC-zg# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EvPELRcC-zg#)!
[laugh]
She lost her cheek weld
Nice position..
If the bit around 1:18-1:22 is typical of a day on the job for her cameraman, he'd be a hell of a lot safer working just about anywhere else. :o
Quote from: triangleforge on June 11, 2013, 09:48:44 AM
If the bit around 1:18-1:22 is typical of a day on the job for her cameraman, he'd be a hell of a lot safer working just about anywhere else. :o
:o
WTF!
The new 9mm AR should be here in 2 weeks [beer]. I ordered a JP GMR-13 a few months back, and the wait is finally about up. They came out with a new billet lower that takes Glock mags. They offered a billet, side-charge upper version for another $500, but I went with the standard forged upper. Ordered a few 33-round mags for a somewhat sane price [thumbsup]. Now the hard part....Beta makes a 100-round drum magazine for Glocks....for $380 [bang] I don't know if I will be able to resist!
With how long and difficult it may be to load the Beta drum(and of course the cost), I imagine you could get quite a few 33 round mags loaded and swapped. me less than 2 cents. lol Have fun with your new shooter!
$23 bucks each. That is over 15 33 rd mags for the same cost as the beta: http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/33-rd-mag-for-glock-17.aspx?a=556295 (http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/33-rd-mag-for-glock-17.aspx?a=556295)
Quote from: LowThudd on June 13, 2013, 05:07:38 PM
$23 bucks each. That is over 15 33 rd mags for the same cost as the beta: http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/33-rd-mag-for-glock-17.aspx?a=556295 (http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/33-rd-mag-for-glock-17.aspx?a=556295)
Dont forget the coupon! Lol
Factory Glock 33-round mags are $40-50 each. The cheaper mags are Korean made by KCI. I have heard they work, but look as cheap as they are. I want to use this gun in some local falling steel matches, and the 100 round drum would guarantee never having to reload during a stage [evil]
I was in my local WalMart yesterday (Fairfax, VA) picking up stuff for my office. I checked out the ammunition shelves, and lo and behold, they had Winchester 5.56/223 ammo in stock, a mere four boxes left. They were $10 each, and despite the store's 3 box per day policy, I got all four.
$10 per 20 box is 0.50 cents each. The cheapest I've found online is around 50 cents not including shipping, which upps it to around 55c and that's usually TulAmmo or Wolf -- slightly better than nothing. This was commercial load Winchester.
They also had some .40 and .380. I came back today and bought up the .380.
Quote from: ducatiz on July 01, 2013, 11:41:42 AM
I was in my local WalMart yesterday (Fairfax, VA) picking up stuff for my office. I checked out the ammunition shelves, and lo and behold, they had Winchester 5.56/223 ammo in stock, a mere four boxes left. They were $10 each, and despite the store's 3 box per day policy, I got all four.
$10 per 20 box is 0.50 cents each. The cheapest I've found online is around 50 cents not including shipping, which upps it to around 55c and that's usually TulAmmo or Wolf -- slightly better than nothing. This was commercial load Winchester.
They also had some .40 and .380. I came back today and bought up the .380.
...any .22lr?
Quote from: ducpainter on July 01, 2013, 12:13:37 PM
...any .22lr?
I stopped at the Wal-Mart in Lebanon. They had 45 which most everyone has. Then I asked about 22. the response was "no."
I asked again.
"No."
"Are you sure. You seem to have a lot of boxes on the floor?"
"Oh I do have them." He proceeds to take the 50 round boxes out of the brick.
"I want the whole brick."
"I can only sell you the individual boxes."
"Okay."
So I found some 22lr at a very reasonable price. It's coming.
Quote from: ducpainter on July 01, 2013, 12:13:37 PM
...any .22lr?
Nope.. Lot of shells.
I think I am going to drop by every couple of days now. I was shocked at the price on the 223.
Anybody here build a custom 10/22?
I have several bigger "toys", but need to build a varmint population control tool.
Want to build a 10/22 with a heavy barrel, thumbhole target stock with custom length-of-pull extension (to better fit my freakish lanky frame), and scope. Debating whether to buy a whole Ruger 10/22 then tear it apart for the receiver, or just buy an aftermarket receiver and build it from scratch. Options include the Select Fire RAZOR (80%), X-Ring, Volquartsen, MOA Corporation stainless, Tactical Machining Elite22, etc.
Found some CCI .22lr in 100 rnd boxes on Natchez's website last week. Limit 5 boxes a day per customer. Went back the next day to order some more... all gone! Damn high prices too. Freaking "brick" of 500 rnds cost near $50!! [bang] But I had to do it. Haven't seen any locally in months.
Stopped by the Academy Sporting Goods store last week. They actually had some .45 Colt in stock so I grabbed two boxes. Asked about .22lr and was shown a sign that stated if you want any .22lr, pistol/revolver or .223 ammo you are limited to one box and you have to go to the Customer Service desk and ask for it. I asked "why Customer Service"? The associate at the gun counter said they were tired of people coming in every day, all day long asking about ammo they didn't have then getting pissed about it. He said "screw 'em, let Customer Service put up with the headaches".
Oh... and they didn't have any .22lr at Customer Service! [roll]
Quote from: duc_fan on July 01, 2013, 01:30:43 PM
Anybody here build a custom 10/22?
I have several bigger "toys", but need to build a varmint population control tool.
Want to build a 10/22 with a heavy barrel, thumbhole target stock with custom length-of-pull extension (to better fit my freakish lanky frame), and scope. Debating whether to buy a whole Ruger 10/22 then tear it apart for the receiver, or just buy an aftermarket receiver and build it from scratch. Options include the Select Fire RAZOR (80%), X-Ring, Volquartsen, MOA Corporation stainless, Tactical Machining Elite22, etc.
I have a stainless 10/22 with a bull barrel, Hogue stock and a matching Leupold rimfire scope in stock rings. Shoots great and I have never thought about spending $$$ on a groovy trigger. The stock set up is WELL BROKEN IN so the trigger has a nice clean break. Hits all the critters I aim at if I do my part. No better gun fun on the planet than shooting a good .22! [thumbsup] ;D
Picked up 1300 once fired NM cases in .308 for $75. One of these days Ill learn to reload.
Quote from: rgramjet on July 01, 2013, 03:52:05 PM
Picked up 1300 once fired NM cases in .308 for $75. One of these days Ill learn to reload.
I'm in the same boat, I bought 2000 brand new 7.5 swiss cases.. it was a cheap deal too, about a nickel per case. Of course, that was before you had to have a colonoscopy before boarding a plane. a bunch of other rounds too.
Someday, I'll get that Dillon press.. lol
Quote from: ducatiz on July 01, 2013, 03:54:42 PM
I'm in the same boat, I bought 2000 brand new 7.5 swiss cases.. it was a cheap deal too, about a nickel per case. Of course, that was before you had to have a colonoscopy before boarding a plane. a bunch of other rounds too.
Someday, I'll get that Dillon press.. lol
You have a Swiss, too? Cool. That was one of the big reasons for me to buy the RCBS press setup. The ability to reload the 7.5x55 brass is comforting. I love the fact it uses common-as-dirt .308 bullets.
I'm also using the press to get into 300 AAC Blackout. Have the Noveske barrel for my AR... still need to install it. Already started prepping .223 cases, though.
Like a boat or beach house, second best thing to owning one is to have a buddy that owns one. My friend has a macked out dillon with da hoppah! lol
Not sure if the hopper will work for long cases......
I was ammo shopping at walmart yesterday. They had at least 100 boxes of .380 and .40, and a handful of 7mm variants. That was it [thumbsdown] Academy had ARs in the $700 range [thumbsup]
Quote from: duc_fan on July 01, 2013, 04:13:47 PM
You have a Swiss, too? Cool. That was one of the big reasons for me to buy the RCBS press setup. The ability to reload the 7.5x55 brass is comforting. I love the fact it uses common-as-dirt .308 bullets.
I'm also using the press to get into 300 AAC Blackout. Have the Noveske barrel for my AR... still need to install it. Already started prepping .223 cases, though.
What do you need to do to get 223 cases setup for 300?
Quote from: Monsterlover on July 01, 2013, 05:54:20 PM
What do you need to do to get 223 cases setup for 300?
I dont think you can stretch the 223 cases to 300 you have to start with unnecked cases iirc.
Sorry to jump off the current topic, I'm just wondering if anyone has any info regarding a "Delay Delivery" notice from the DOJ?
When I went in for the pick-up the salesman gave me a copy of the letter and said the DOJ would notify them, then they would let me know when I could come in to pick up the rifle. He also told me I could be proactive and call the number listed on the letter or I could just hang tight. I called periodically for the first two weeks then I called the dealer back to see if there was any update. The guy I spoke with on the phone gave me attitude (another story) and said I was the one responsible for getting a hold of the DOJ to find out what the issue was. So, I've been calling the number everyday, it's almost always busy and when I do get a ring no one answers. It's now been three weeks with no answer from either side and I'm without a decent sum of money and a rifle.
Has anyone here ever received a delay notice, and/or have any recommendations?
Quote from: ducatiz on July 01, 2013, 06:26:49 PM
I dont think you can stretch the 223 cases to 300 you have to start with unnecked cases iirc.
I was at the range and there was a guy shooting 300 made from cut and renecked .223 cases.
300 Blackout case is shorter.
The 300 Whisper/Blackout was formed from the 221 Fireball Cartridge, which is a shortened 222 Rem (or 223). If you cut off 223's to make a Whisper/Blackout, you probably should anneal the neck area and you will probably have to inside neck ream the formed case as the case walls of the 223 that get formed into the neck of the shorter cartridge are thicker than the neck of the Blackout. (hope that made sense) In other words, the bullet won't go in the hole - the outside dimensions of the case will be right, but due to the thicker brass, the inside neck dimension will be too small for the bullet. Certainly doable, but realize that there will be a couple extra steps.
Would .22 or be better vermin round then .17 hmu? Is .17 cheaper?
Quote from: cokey on July 02, 2013, 11:29:03 AM
Would .22 or be better vermin round then .17 hmu? Is .17 cheaper?
22 is cheaper. than anything.
.17 is a mostly useless round IMHO. Yes you get flatter trajectories, etc blah blah with it, but 90% of people shooting can't shoot accurately enough to take advantage of that and most vermin kills are going to be short distances anyhow.
Quote from: WarrenJ on July 02, 2013, 09:13:27 AM
The 300 Whisper/Blackout was formed from the 221 Fireball Cartridge, which is a shortened 222 Rem (or 223). If you cut off 223's to make a Whisper/Blackout, you probably should anneal the neck area and you will probably have to inside neck ream the formed case as the case walls of the 223 that get formed into the neck of the shorter cartridge are thicker than the neck of the Blackout. (hope that made sense) In other words, the bullet won't go in the hole - the outside dimensions of the case will be right, but due to the thicker brass, the inside neck dimension will be too small for the bullet. Certainly doable, but realize that there will be a couple extra steps.
Makes sense to me. ;)
The guy I talked to had no issues with the process.
Quote from: WarrenJ on July 02, 2013, 09:13:27 AM
The 300 Whisper/Blackout was formed from the 221 Fireball Cartridge, which is a shortened 222 Rem (or 223). If you cut off 223's to make a Whisper/Blackout, you probably should anneal the neck area and you will probably have to inside neck ream the formed case as the case walls of the 223 that get formed into the neck of the shorter cartridge are thicker than the neck of the Blackout. (hope that made sense) In other words, the bullet won't go in the hole - the outside dimensions of the case will be right, but due to the thicker brass, the inside neck dimension will be too small for the bullet. Certainly doable, but realize that there will be a couple extra steps.
^^What he said... but the part about the case wall thickness depends on the brass used. Many of your "average" brass brands are reported to work fine. Lake City brass is known to have walls that are too thick.
There are a number of videos on YouTube showing the process.
I use a Harbor Freight mini chop saw to lop off the neck and shoulder, then do a quick deburr, shape in the press, then trim. After that, prime and load as normal.
Quote from: duc_fan on July 02, 2013, 06:20:26 PM
^^What he said... but the part about the case wall thickness depends on the brass used. Many of your "average" brass brands are reported to work fine. Lake City brass is known to have walls that are too thick.
There are a number of videos on YouTube showing the process.
I use a Harbor Freight mini chop saw to lop off the neck and shoulder, then do a quick deburr, shape in the press, then trim. After that, prime and load as normal.
That sounds pretty simple [thumbsup]
Mini chop saw?
How do you get it lined up accurately?
Quote from: ducatiz on July 02, 2013, 11:34:25 AM
22 is cheaper. than anything.
.17 is a mostly useless round IMHO. Yes you get flatter trajectories, etc blah blah with it, but 90% of people shooting can't shoot accurately enough to take advantage of that and most vermin kills are going to be short distances anyhow.
The 17 HMR is a specialized round and I like it for several uses. On calm days, I have killed critters with it over 250 yards. I really like it for removing vermin in built up areas where the total fragmentation of the bullet is necessary combined with the reduced noise over a centerfire. It is also a fun gun for informally introducing new shooters, especially kids by blowing up pop cans, etc without the danger of bouncing bullets around. I think it is probably a safer round to plink with than the 22lr, due to the rapid fragmentation of its bullet and the way the 17 rapidly dumps energy past 250 yards. It is certainly more expensive than a 22 lr and the bullet does not have enough power to be effective on the larger varmints like coyotes. It will kill them, but it will seldom ice them like a larger caliber or even a 22 magnum. Within some narrow parameters, I find it pretty useful.
Quote from: WarrenJ on July 03, 2013, 05:57:05 AM
The 17 HMR is a specialized round and I like it for several uses. On calm days, I have killed critters with it over 250 yards. I really like it for removing vermin in built up areas where the total fragmentation of the bullet is necessary combined with the reduced noise over a centerfire. It is also a fun gun for informally introducing new shooters, especially kids by blowing up pop cans, etc without the danger of bouncing bullets around. I think it is probably a safer round to plink with than the 22lr, due to the rapid fragmentation of its bullet and the way the 17 rapidly dumps energy past 250 yards. It is certainly more expensive than a 22 lr and the bullet does not have enough power to be effective on the larger varmints like coyotes. It will kill them, but it will seldom ice them like a larger caliber or even a 22 magnum. Within some narrow parameters, I find it pretty useful.
And you, sir, are not a typical varminter. ;D
Quote from: duc_fan on July 02, 2013, 06:20:26 PM
^^What he said... but the part about the case wall thickness depends on the brass used. Many of your "average" brass brands are reported to work fine. Lake City brass is known to have walls that are too thick.
There are a number of videos on YouTube showing the process.
I use a Harbor Freight mini chop saw to lop off the neck and shoulder, then do a quick deburr, shape in the press, then trim. After that, prime and load as normal.
The .223 is not straight walled. How do you get the cut square to the base, or do you use the trim step square them up?
Not having to neck ream makes life a lot easier. Good to know.
Quote from: The Bearded Duc on July 02, 2013, 01:45:32 AM
Sorry to jump off the current topic, I'm just wondering if anyone has any info regarding a "Delay Delivery" notice from the DOJ?
When I went in for the pick-up the salesman gave me a copy of the letter and said the DOJ would notify them, then they would let me know when I could come in to pick up the rifle. He also told me I could be proactive and call the number listed on the letter or I could just hang tight. I called periodically for the first two weeks then I called the dealer back to see if there was any update. The guy I spoke with on the phone gave me attitude (another story) and said I was the one responsible for getting a hold of the DOJ to find out what the issue was. So, I've been calling the number everyday, it's almost always busy and when I do get a ring no one answers. It's now been three weeks with no answer from either side and I'm without a decent sum of money and a rifle.
Has anyone here ever received a delay notice, and/or have any recommendations?
I talked to one dealer recently that said they were getting a few more delays. I would put it on the dealer - tell him if he can't get it resolved within a set period of time, you want your money refunded. Dealers don't like seeing cash going out of the till back across the counter, plus it is extra paperwork for them. Might add some motivation. Sucks when you are out the money and don't have the gun either. Let us know how it shakes out.
Quote from: ducatiz on July 03, 2013, 07:34:49 AM
And you, sir, are not a typical varminter. ;D
I think its best use is when someone asks me to remove woodchucks from around outbuildings. It will typically ice a woodchuck inside 100 yards and I don't have to worry about bouncing a bullet into things that don't need extra holes. The 17 is certainly not a great all round cartridge, but it is great for very specific uses. I just have an inexpensive Savage with a cheap Tasco parked on it, but it shoots very well. I need to do some more experimenting with some FMJ ammo I found for it. I shot a tomato with it 3 times and I just had 3 17 cal holes on each side - I was amazed it didn't blow it up just with the velocity.
Quote from: WarrenJ on July 03, 2013, 11:39:23 AM
I shot a tomato with it 3 times and I just had 3 17 cal holes on each side - I was amazed it didn't blow it up just with the velocity.
Well, it is the equivalent weight of a paperclip.
Quote from: WarrenJ on July 03, 2013, 11:39:23 AM
I think its best use is when someone asks me to remove woodchucks from around outbuildings. It will typically ice a woodchuck inside 100 yards and I don't have to worry about bouncing a bullet into things that don't need extra holes. The 17 is certainly not a great all round cartridge, but it is great for very specific uses. I just have an inexpensive Savage with a cheap Tasco parked on it, but it shoots very well. I need to do some more experimenting with some FMJ ammo I found for it. I shot a tomato with it 3 times and I just had 3 17 cal holes on each side - I was amazed it didn't blow it up just with the velocity.
Happiness is watching my 7 year old shoot a shaken bottle of Sprite with a .17 hmr at 50 yards!
Quote from: rgramjet on July 03, 2013, 01:35:10 PM
Happiness is watching my 7 year old shoot a shaken bottle of Sprite with a .17 hmr at 50 yards!
how far does the bullet ricochet? [laugh]
Quote from: ducpainter on July 03, 2013, 08:39:08 AM
The .223 is not straight walled. How do you get the cut square to the base, or do you use the trim step square them up?
Rough cut with this http://www.forsterproducts.com/catalog.asp?prodid=700292 (http://www.forsterproducts.com/catalog.asp?prodid=700292)
Finish cut with this http://www.opticsplanet.com/rcbs-trim-pro-2-manual-case-trimmer-with-spring-load-shell-holder-90365r.html?gclid=CJeN7-HClLgCFRCe4Aod5gMAYw&ef_id=AO9QBHt6yHwAAFzi:20130703235348:s (http://www.opticsplanet.com/rcbs-trim-pro-2-manual-case-trimmer-with-spring-load-shell-holder-90365r.html?gclid=CJeN7-HClLgCFRCe4Aod5gMAYw&ef_id=AO9QBHt6yHwAAFzi:20130703235348:s)
Quote from: ducpainter on July 03, 2013, 08:39:08 AM
The .223 is not straight walled. How do you get the cut square to the base, or do you use the trim step square them up?
Yep, the trim step.
When you cut it off just below the shoulder, it's still too long, and due to the aforementioned tapered walls, the cut isn't square.
After giving it the new neck/shoulder with a run through the die, I use a Forster case trimmer to both cut the shaped case to length and square it up.
Some guys with power trimmers don't bother with cutting off the neck and shoulder of the .223 brass... they just buzz the whole thing down with the power trimmer. Mine is a manual trimmer, so the chop saw speeds things up a bit. I also have fewer shavings to clean up this way. ;)
Quote from: ducatiz on July 03, 2013, 02:02:06 PM
how far does the bullet ricochet? [laugh]
No ricochet.......just big soda explosion!
I don't know if they make them for the Blackout, but a file trim die might be a decent low tech way to shorten and trim the cases. I use one for making 8mm Mauser out of 30-06. The excess neck of the case sticks out of the top of the die, which has a specially hardened top. I use a hacksaw to zip off the gross excess and a couple file strokes brings the case right to length. Once you get the process down, it goes pretty fast.
Quote from: WarrenJ on July 03, 2013, 08:07:58 PM
I don't know if they make them for the Blackout, but a file trim die might be a decent low tech way to shorten and trim the cases. I use one for making 8mm Mauser out of 30-06. The excess neck of the case sticks out of the top of the die, which has a specially hardened top. I use a hacksaw to zip off the gross excess and a couple file strokes brings the case right to length. Once you get the process down, it goes pretty fast.
Huh... I wonder how hard it'd be to make one. May be able to get away with using a generic DIY case-hardening compound.
I other gun-related news, my brother-in-law and his wife and kids were out visiting last week. He and I celebrated the 4th by taking an assortment of my guns down into one of the valleys on the property and turning some gunpowder into heat an noise. ;D Had fun with the AR-15, a Benelli 12-gauge pump, a 9mm SIG, and a S&W .44 Magnum.
Always fun to burn powder. I've been working on a bunch of load development for 44 mag, working on intermediate loads for Super Blackhawk. S&W and Win Carbine. Load, step outside and accuracy test, repeat. Fun except for the Deer flies and mosquitoes. I must loose a pint a day out there. I'm teaching 3 womens rifle classes and a intro pistol class this weekend,part of a Womens outdoor program, so I'm getting all my prep done. Always look forward to teaching.
Quote from: WarrenJ on July 08, 2013, 06:57:18 PM
Always fun to burn powder. I've been working on a bunch of load development for 44 mag, working on intermediate loads for Super Blackhawk. S&W and Win Carbine. Load, step outside and accuracy test, repeat. Fun except for the Deer flies and mosquitoes. I must loose a pint a day out there. I'm teaching 3 womens rifle classes and a intro pistol class this weekend,part of a Womens outdoor program, so I'm getting all my prep done. Always look forward to teaching.
WJ : 44 Mag's, deer flies and women, sounds kind of scarry? [laugh]
A new shooter flailing at a deer fly buzzing around their head while holding a Super Blackhawk would be good reason to seek cover!
The classes went real well. We were again rated the top class of the event. Most of the women have never shot before. I start them out on this huge 22 target rifle with a 2" Ultra Varmint Unertl scope on it on bags. It looks big and intimidating and I have them shoot at a 6" steel plate at 100 yards. Set up like that, it is about impossible to miss and they seldom do. Once they realize that the big intimidating rifle wasn't scary at all and they had great success with it, transitioning to different guns and positions is pretty straightforward. At the end, I usually have them busting milkjugs filled with water at 100 with an AR. They come down nervous and apprehensive and in 90 minutes, leave with big smiles and a positive attitude. Makes my day!
Quote from: WarrenJ on July 17, 2013, 08:42:16 AM
A new shooter flailing at a deer fly buzzing around their head while holding a Super Blackhawk would be good reason to seek cover!
I used to help out with the CCW classes at my local gun club and it was fun and your right, fulfilling. It was sometimes my job to scream as loud as I could to demonstrate how you should let an intruder know you are armed. My how the girls jumped. [cheeky]
But they get serious even more than the guys do.
Always had good luck with women students in my old self defense/tactical shotgun courses. It was nice that they came with an open mind, no macho ego and no preconceived notions. Sure, some were apprehensive at first but like with any new shooter it's best to go slow and properly explain things... ie: dont speak to them like they are stupid, be patient and don't use shooting slang they don't understand.
My only problem was when couples would should up together. Hubby/boy friend would drag their SO with them and want to "show them how it's done". Ugh... [roll] Had the most trouble with the guys trying to undermine my instruction by telling the gals (behind my back) to do it their way, not what I just told them.
I would look up and see the women shooters holding/mounting the weapon or loading and shooting in some bizarre (sometimes dangerous) fashion and asked them what the hell they were doing. They'd point at hubby/boyfriend and say "he told me to do it this way". Ugh #2 [roll] [bang].
That was just about the time I would place them at opposite ends of the firing line and tell the guy to shut up/leave her alone and tell the gal to ignore anything he said for the rest of the class. The guys would get all puffy like I stepped on their dick but the women seemed to appreciate the comments and concern.
My favorite was seeing a women excel in handling and shooting a 12 gauge scattergun and successfully complete the class and then have a 200+ lb man not show up for the 2nd day of class because his shoulder hurt! [laugh]
Those guys got a lot of ribbing from the other students behind their back (since they weren't there ;D) and the women always received lots of props and encouragement from the class for a job well done. Always made me proud and you could see it in their faces.
I'm trying to convince my wife to take a CCW course... even if she doesn't get the permit, just to learn a little from the same instructor I learned from. He was great. She's not so sure, mostly because she currently has zero interest in carry outside of our property. She'll walk all over that acreage with a 9mm, .45, or 12ga, but she's not so hot on the idea of carrying in public. That's okay, I leave it up to her. Everyone has to decide that one for themselves.
She's a great shot with the 9mm SIG P6. Better than I am with the same gun. When she has the 9mm and I have my .45 (P220 Carry), we're about evenly matched. I'm quite proud of her. 8) Next I wanna introduce her to the S&W Model 629. We'll start with .44 Special, then work up to Magnum. I may do some custom "in between" loads so she can gradually step up. I still gotta research that...
But yeah, would really like to see her take the same CCW course I did. I'd like her to hear the same info from the same instructor I did, so she knows how I was trained. Obviously, in keeping with the sentiments above, I will be keeping my mouth shut and will certainly not be countering the instructor. [thumbsup]
Thats always my first move too - separate em and things go a lot easier and with more success. One of the issues I have in this venue is women bringing their boys along in the same class. Its really disruptive as to how I need to teach the womens class. If I had a class of all wild indians, I could work it fine, but one wild indian in a class of new shooter women is really disruptive. I don't want to give the boy a bad experience but I still have to teach for the women in the class. The boys see the AR sitting there and its "When can I shoot that one!!!" over and over. I'd love to run a class just for the boys but the logistics of the event just don't allow the time. I got no end of devious tricks for groups of know it all 12 year olds!
Speaking of girls with shotguns, this "could" be considered political but I would call it fun to watch, (actually not funny) so I will just post the link. Makes you want to slap the guys up side the head. If it is to political just fast forward 30 seconds but play it to the end so you won't miss the pants falling down!
Probably been around and old............
http://www.ijreview.com/2013/02/38482-humorous-women-take-joe-bidens-buy-a-shotgun-advice/ (http://www.ijreview.com/2013/02/38482-humorous-women-take-joe-bidens-buy-a-shotgun-advice/)
Quote from: BoDiddley on July 18, 2013, 11:22:42 AM
Speaking of girls with shotguns, this "could" be considered political but I would call it fun to watch, (actually not funny) so I will just post the link. Makes you want to slap the guys up side the head. If it is to political just fast forward 30 seconds but play it to the end so you won't miss the pants falling down!
Probably been around and old............
http://www.ijreview.com/2013/02/38482-humorous-women-take-joe-bidens-buy-a-shotgun-advice/ (http://www.ijreview.com/2013/02/38482-humorous-women-take-joe-bidens-buy-a-shotgun-advice/)
It's only political if we talk about Joe. ;D
I've seen it, and it is funny.
It looks so awesome and easy on TV or the movies!!! I wish I had a way of putting the video of my wife running 8 bowling pins off the table with 8 shots at the Second Chance Combat shoot in 4.5 seconds with full power 12 ga 00 Buck.
LOL... my grandmother got knocked on her bum by a 12ga once. In the same outing my mom got a bruise from the same gun that lasted over a week. This was years ago, before cell phones had cameras.
My wife is a bit better with the 12ga Benelli pumper. She's not so hot with shooting flying clays, but she can at least manage the gun's recoil alright.
She's still not entirely comfortable with the levers and switches on the AR. I think once she gets it figured out, she'll like it more.
All I know for sure is, she likes that 9mm semi-auto, and she's good with it. ;)
Sounds great! Good for her... and props to you for taking the time to shoot with her. .44 mag can be a monster for some folks. Good idea to start with low power rounds.
Do you have a .357 mag? Running good .38 spl rounds are kinda sorta similar to 9mm. She could get some mileage on the .357 mag wheelgun shooting .38s, then progress to hotter .357s. Next step could be the 629 running .44 spl rounds then on to the big boy bullets if all goes well. Just remember 629s are N frame Smiths. That's a handful of a grip and gun.
Just a thought. Still, nice to hear she likes to shoot and is good at it. No need to push her to carry. As you said, that's personal. Not always for everyone.
Quote from: WarrenJ on July 18, 2013, 05:14:08 PM
It looks so awesome and easy on TV or the movies!!! I wish I had a way of putting the video of my wife running 8 bowling pins off the table with 8 shots at the Second Chance Combat shoot in 4.5 seconds with full power 12 ga 00 Buck.
That Probably got her to the wagon? The best i ever did was 3.2 but that was with the half second deduct for using a pump model 12. 4.5 for a girl is something to be proud of as they are hard to hang on to. I bet she was using a remington 1100?
I will have to see if I have a photo of the wagon piled high with guns so you could take your pick of whatever you wanted. That shoot should still be going, can you imagine how big it would be today. If Richard would have left the fireworks alone, (lawsuit) it would be.
She had 3 1100 actions - when one would start getting sluggish, I'd rip off the barrel and slap it on the next action, fix or clean the dirty one and keep rotating. She was in high demand for 3-person teams and we went through 1000 rounds + of 00 buck that week and about 2 cases of slugs on the BCBC event on the back range. I don't remember what my fastest pump gun time was - it got me to the prize wagon at least once. 3.7 maybe. Way too much fun. Mas refers to it as Woodstock for shooters and I can't disagree.
By "mas" do you mean Massad Ayoob? [popcorn]
Scatterguns rock by the way. ;D
We shot with Massad Ayoob and his daughter, Kat - We also have been through Mas's LFI-1 class and went through the classroom refresher last year. Well worth the time and money if you decide to take responsibility for your own defense.
2nd Chance was a spectacle! 500 of the best practical shooters in the world, blasting for 8 days. Prize table was about 350 guns and other interesting things, Man on Man on Man shootoffs with $40K cash prizes, the door prize was a used Mercedes......Pistols, shotguns, rifles, class 3, huge meals included - just an utterly amazing time. The range was on Richard Davis's private place and there were two rules. Richard Davis makes the rules and rule 2 was to refer to rule 1. And the 3rd unwritten rule - no whining! We shot the match for 8 or 9 years. BoDiddley also shot there and worked with Mas at his classes in Michigan.
The match was ran amazingly well - everyone there felt like they were visiting princes. Awesome Awesome time.
I figured how to digit my 8mm, downloaded a free edit software and here is Second Chance. Ten days if I recall, pure shooting heaven. Disappointed I did not get a shot of the wagon loaded with guns. Whatever event you won you just went up and picked out whatever weapon you wanted. Cooked many whole beefs and all the food was free.
Bowling Pin Shoot Second Chance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxwyRHNb_Ug&feature=youtu.be#)
I forgot to mention it shows only half of the back field events, rifle, the the Oswald event and many more. The oswald event was set up exactly the same dimension, distance, same rifle, same moving target, same everything precisely . Not one of all the world class shooters ever got close to what oswald shot.
And this is Richard shooting himself.
Man shoots himself in bulletproof vest. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWNBV6ndmH4#)
I had the time and shot splits on the Oswald shoot with a miss using a 30-40 Krag. Couldn't even come close with a Carcano. I think the Carcano is just too rough of an operating gun to be smooth and fast with. I have 3 of them and shoot them quite a bit so it isn't a lack of familiarity.
Great video montage. The first scene of Mas shooting, my wife's head is the one in the foreground. Wow that was fun!
That looks like a hell of a good time!
Looking for a camo finish. My first AR is an old Olympic arms heavy barrel and the only reason I still have it is the barrel and trigger are excellent for accuracy, the most Accurate AR-15 I have come across. But it is ugly as hell and beat up, with a long slotted round aluminum forearm and I always wanted to put a total Camo finish on it. Anyone had a job done, not just an AR but any gun. I have used Robar before but their camo is butt ugly.
Quote from: BoDiddley on July 22, 2013, 08:29:48 PM
Looking for a camo finish. My first AR is an old Olympic arms heavy barrel and the only reason I still have it is the barrel and trigger are excellent for accuracy, the most Accurate AR-15 I have come across. But it is ugly as hell and beat up, with a long slotted round aluminum forearm and I always wanted to put a total Camo finish on it. Anyone had a job done, not just an AR but any gun. I have used Robar before but their camo is butt ugly.
There's a guy on another forum I go to that does a lot of refinishing.
http://eastonfirearmsrefinishing.com/ (http://eastonfirearmsrefinishing.com/)
He'll send you pics of his work.
Quote from: ducpainter on July 23, 2013, 03:15:45 AM
There's a guy on another forum I go to that does a lot of refinishing.
http://eastonfirearmsrefinishing.com/ (http://eastonfirearmsrefinishing.com/)
He'll send you pics of his work.
That looks interesting but not a lot of Camo, actually I was wondering about how hydrographics hold up. Not sure about the clear coat final finish they use. I heard you have to worry about oils and bug spray which is not good. A lot of pro and cons to read about but no hands on it info.
I am thinking about these guys as they use Cerakote along with the finish, Anyone?
http://www.kc-coatings.com/index.html (http://www.kc-coatings.com/index.html)
Quote from: BoDiddley on July 23, 2013, 07:48:20 AM
That looks interesting but not a lot of Camo, actually I was wondering about how hydrographics hold up. Not sure about the clear coat final finish they use. I heard you have to worry about oils and bug spray which is not good. A lot of pro and cons to read about but no hands on it info.
I am thinking about these guys as they use Cerakote along with the finish, Anyone?
http://www.kc-coatings.com/index.html (http://www.kc-coatings.com/index.html)
Lauer Duracoat is the shizzle for this.
Quote from: BoDiddley on July 23, 2013, 07:48:20 AM
That looks interesting but not a lot of Camo, actually I was wondering about how hydrographics hold up. Not sure about the clear coat final finish they use. I heard you have to worry about oils and bug spray which is not good. A lot of pro and cons to read about but no hands on it info.
I am thinking about these guys as they use Cerakote along with the finish, Anyone?
http://www.kc-coatings.com/index.html (http://www.kc-coatings.com/index.html)
Quality automotive 2k urethane is pretty much resistant to everything, except brake fluid and paint stripper, once cured.
Quote from: ducpainter on July 23, 2013, 08:19:26 AM
Quality automotive 2k urethane is pretty much resistant to everything, except brake fluid and paint stripper, once cured.
Duracoat is resistant to brake fluid and most strippers.. It's not made to come off so you have to choose your colors carefully.
It can be removed with a few of the more aggressive strippers or bead blasted off. Acetone and brake cleaner just "scuff" the surface, in case you want to apply another coat.
I've used it on 2v heads and it simply will not come off without blasting it and even that takes a lot.
I've never tried using brakekleen to clean stuff off clear.
Acetone, lacquer thinner, urethane reducer, toluene...doesn't even dull it.
Have you used cerakote? People say it's even tougher than duracoat, with better corrosion resistance.
Friend of mine had his AR done in a desert tan Cerakote. He loves it, swears by it, and says it's tough... hard for me to tell, because every time we go shooting he babies his gun as much as I do (that is, a lot). <shrug>
Thanks for the info, not having to worry about the clear coat I am going to send it out to < http://www.kc-coatings.com/index.html (http://www.kc-coatings.com/index.html) > and let them incorporate the Cerakote with hydrographics stuff. Sounds like the best of both worlds, hoping they can do a flat final coat. I will post it up when I get it back.
After all guns shoot straighter when they look good don't they?
Yep. ;)
They say that about airplanes too... if it looks right, it'll fly right. It's usually true.
I have the opportunity to buy a Hi Point .45 with laser, holster, 3 mags and 100 rounds (for home protection) in exc. cond. for $250.
Worth it?
I don't know anything about them other than they are inexpensive with a lifetime warranty.
I bought a 1911 for $400 but none of the add on's you mention.
I've seen the hi p pistols at shows and they feel as cheap as they look. Personally, I wouldn't do it.
Yeah, I declined the sale after researching it a little. It's supposed to be a fairly accurate and reliable pistol but the materials looked to be really low quality. It was not much money but I think I'll save up for something better built.
Lots of mixed reviews of Hi Point products.
I know someone with a 9mm carbine and it works fine, but it certainly looks and feels cheap.
HiPoints are your last choice. They are sufficient but not good.
The HiPoint carbine works very well, but it's cheap. I had one and it was fine, I just didn't need it. Sold it to a friend, he put the ATI stock on it and loves it.
Tizzy, thoughts on the Tavor?
Quote from: DRKWNG on August 04, 2013, 06:09:52 AM
Tizzy, thoughts on the Tavor?
They are awesome if you can get a real one. The neutered one is...meh..
Quote from: ducatiz on August 04, 2013, 09:37:01 AM
They are awesome if you can get a real one. The neutered one is...meh..
i may be smitten. which ones are the "real" ones?
The ones with the fun switch...
Quote from: ducpainter on August 04, 2013, 10:03:43 AM
The ones with the fun switch...
i can't afford fun-switches. :'(
Quote from: derby on August 04, 2013, 10:06:06 AM
i can't afford fun-switches. :'(
Tell me about it. Besides, they're too expensive to feed once you get past the cover charge.
Not necessarily. There are no civ legal full auto tavors. I meant the sbr style. The civilia model is a sporter model with a long barrel which is idiotic on a bullpup.
The tavor is designed to have a short barrel.
How about a CTAR with a permanently attached muzzle device? The CTAR has a 15" barrel, so all you'd really need is to pin/weld an A2 still device onto it. At least in theory.
I'm sure this has been posted before
but still- big boom.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/08/02/Manufacturer-Makes-Largest-Center-Fire-Rifle-Ever-Bullets-Are-40-Each?goback=.gde_1801279_member_263083015 (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/08/02/Manufacturer-Makes-Largest-Center-Fire-Rifle-Ever-Bullets-Are-40-Each?goback=.gde_1801279_member_263083015)
Quote from: DRKWNG on August 04, 2013, 12:11:27 PM
How about a CTAR with a permanently attached muzzle device? The CTAR has a 15" barrel, so all you'd really need is to pin/weld an A2 still device onto it. At least in theory.
It would make more sense IMHO to weld an M1903 bayonet to the end.
I think the issue is whether you can find a short barreled version at all.
They are selling the SAR model only to civilians, AFAIK. There is an "IDF" model which is similar to the TAR-21, but it has some features deleted. (i.e. the forward PG doesn't fold down)
Tavor SAR IDF model (civilian):
(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc79/kaz53_photos/IWI%20US%20-%20Tavor%20SAR%20-%20UZI%20PRO%20Pistol/IWI-TSIDF16-TavorSARIDF165Black-LeftSide.jpg)
TAR-21 (infantry model, issued)
(http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/images/assault/as30/tavor_02.jpg)
FYI the Tavor with the M203 attached uses a barrel extension to mount it. So maybe you're not far off base. You can get 37mm smoothbore launchers which are not NFA and attach the same as the 203.. plastic barrel, etc. Some are called the M2030, etc.
(http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/images/assault/as30/tavor_03.jpg)
I wanna put one of those non-NFA flare launchers on my AR. [evil] Looks like an M203 from 10 feet away, but only fires the USCG-type rescue flares.
Quote from: duc_fan on August 06, 2013, 10:42:34 AM
I wanna put one of those non-NFA flare launchers on my AR. [evil] Looks like an M203 from 10 feet away, but only fires the USCG-type rescue flares.
RPB and Cobray make one. They are cool. You can actually make the flares a little more interesting by loading them up with black powder.
My point was more like this.
Here's a Tavor with civilian legal barrel length (oal at least 16"):
(http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/TAVOR_FDE.jpg)
And here's a Tavor with the CTAR barrel length (15"):
(http://weaponland.ru/images/automat_2/izrael/Tavor-5.jpg)
Assuming one can get their hands on a CTAR, all you'd have to do is permanently affix an A2X, or other similarly lengthy muzzle device to get the oal to exceed 16", thus averting the need to go through the SBR process.
They have a qc barrel. You could just have it cut and the dev brazed on. Nothing illegal about that provided you braze the dev on.
I did that with my AR100 but ive decided to sbr it. Looks much better with a 14"
How hard it is to go through the paperwork to create a new SBR?
I haven't really considered it before, but I'm hearing of more folks doing it. Kinda gets me to thinking about getting a shorter 300 Blackout barrel. As it is, I am sorely tempted to go through the hoops to get a suppressor for it... 300 BLK subsonic/suppressed would make an excellent home defense carbine. Easy to use and not deafening. A suppressor can make a 16" bbl a bit unwieldy for in-home use, but on a 10" bbl it makes more sense. Explaining it to the [leo] who came to clean up after the break-in could be interesting, however...
Its pretty easy esp if you have a trust for it.
ATF form 1, name the trust as owner.
Pay $200, receive stamp in 5-6 weeks.
Put barrel on.
Advice: use the shortest barrel length physically permissible for the platform.
My SBR AR has a 12" barrel, but I filled out the Form 1 for a 7" barrel. As long as the barrel you put on isn't SHORTER than the registered length, you can swap all you like. You may also install a 16.5 or longer barrel (called a GCA barrel under the regs) provided you keep the short barrel.
If you sell the short barrel, then you've removed the firearm from the NFA and it is now a GCA firearm and you are required to de-register it.
No kidding.
"Firearm" under NFA means machine gun or SBR/SBS/AOW.
"Firearm" under GCA means anything that's not a machine gun, DD, SBR/SBS/AOW. I.e. a rifle with 16.5 or greater barrel, s/g with 18"+ barrel, and OAL of such and such.
The Suppressor is a separate firearm. Yup, it's a firearm under the NFA law. You can put it on any weapon you like that fits. Register the device, not the firearm.
If you want to look at shorter suppressors, check out the Reflex brand from Norway. They mount over the barrel. And they sell them over the counter without any nonsense. It's considered impolite to show up at a range in Oslo without one. Or hunt.
Quote from: duc_fan on August 06, 2013, 04:44:52 PM
Explaining it to the [leo] who came to clean up after the break-in could be interesting, however...
Not really. You didn't want to deafen your family. Makes perfect sense. [evil]
http://geekologie.com/2013/08/study-of-different-ammo-types-being-shot.php (http://geekologie.com/2013/08/study-of-different-ammo-types-being-shot.php)
(http://geekologie.com/2013/08/07/different-bullets-underwater.jpg)
Thanks Uncle Sugar
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/8bfd3b8aa8dfcfecab5c0f3421020e02.jpg)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_tvXikSs6i70/TOU6fYNuzdI/AAAAAAAAAGo/uCfuRZ3TlNQ/s1600/Youll-Shoot-Your-Eye-Out.jpg)
kopf, was that actually issued to you? If so, congrats! That is a seriously cool rifle. You'll have to let us know how you like it.
THAT is not your dad's M24
Quote from: DRKWNG on August 07, 2013, 07:19:01 PM
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_tvXikSs6i70/TOU6fYNuzdI/AAAAAAAAAGo/uCfuRZ3TlNQ/s1600/Youll-Shoot-Your-Eye-Out.jpg)
<<< what ben actually looks like
Quote from: ducatiz on August 08, 2013, 10:49:17 AM
<<< what ben actually looks like
Actually, more like what Darryl looked like when he walked into the briefing room and saw it on the table.
i would imagine so.
we had a copy of the M24 system, elbit glass and a Steyr barrel. the stocks were nearly a direct copy of the MacMillan. nothing like that thing though.
So tell me why that's a cool rifle since I've never seen one before.
Quote from: duc_fan on August 08, 2013, 10:28:48 AM
kopf, was that actually issued to you? If so, congrats! That is a seriously cool rifle. You'll have to let us know how you like it.
Yep [evil]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM2010_Enhanced_Sniper_Rifle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM2010_Enhanced_Sniper_Rifle)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/3bec55edc57ae5d904c380112ca7e07a.jpg)
So, like a 700 on roids?
We had the .338 lm in the larger package, it was an american company and I don't remember who made it. We originally got some AI models and then the UK banned export of them to Israel.
There were some guys that had .300 wm models, but I preferred the .338, even though I think they are actually related to each other.. or is that the .375?
From a gun forum
Quote: Originally Posted by Magnumsrule
Which do you think is a better caliber? Do you think that there is really any noticable difference between the two?
Both are good calibers. They are two of the four cartridges in the Winchester series of short belted
magnums, sharing the same parent case, brought out in the latter part of the 1950's. - 458 - 338 - 300 - 264 magnums.
The 300 win mag was brought out to replicate the 300 H&H; same performance in a shorter action. Basically a 30-06 magnum. The 338 is a 33 cal magnum that just punches a bigger hole than the 300 . Myself, I use the 300 H&H for deer and elk and the 338 win for moose and bear.
If you handload there is quite an advantage with the 338 for deer size game by slowing the bullet down a tad, giving good stopping power without blood shot meat. A heavier bullet works better in heavy brush as well.
Both my 300 H&H and 338 win are in pre-64 Model 70 with the 338 having a 1 inch shorter barrel. The 338 kicks more but I only notice that at the range. When you get a shot out hunting, you don't hear it or feel it, so it makes no difference.
Another bonus to handloding for the 338 is I use the 225 gr. round nose to load for my 33 win in my old "86". I file the bullet ends flat so they work in the tubular magazine. I made a jig from a block of wood that I can file 8 bullets at a time.
I find no difference in carrying the 300 or the 338 as both weigh about the same. Have a 375 H&H in a pre 64 M70, which is nicer to shoot but is considerably heavier to pack around, so the 338 gets to go out more.
Regards:
Rod
338 lapua, not 338 win.
i think the 338 win is the same cartridge as the 300 wm, no?
i just remember the lapua being a monster.
How do you like that AAC suppressor? I've been debating which direction I wanted to lean with that. All the cool kids scream surefire, but they haven't convinced me there's anything more than kool aid to their logic.
https://rafflecreator.com/pages/140/50th-anniversary-celebration-of-the-maryland-special-forces
lolz
So hard not to make a comment about Maryland...
Quote from: DRKWNG on August 09, 2013, 07:36:13 PM
lolz
So hard not to make a comment about Maryland...
Bring it :D
How real men shoot skeet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnqUyz3R4sA&sns=em#)
[laugh]
Awesome.... thanks for posting Jäger
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
http://youtu.be/q362H-xg0ZA (http://youtu.be/q362H-xg0ZA)
Tactical treats [laugh]
Quote from: Monsterlover on August 18, 2013, 06:31:25 PM
Tactical treats [laugh]
The level of how much this dude is an idiot is epic.
Quote from: kopfjäger on August 18, 2013, 06:11:48 PM
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
http://youtu.be/q362H-xg0ZA (http://youtu.be/q362H-xg0ZA)
Several rungs below this:
(http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/photos/uncategorized/2008/03/06/geardo.jpg)
[roll]
Quote from: kopfjäger on August 18, 2013, 07:16:14 PM
The level of how much this dude is playing an idiot is epic.
In the video description, he states that it's a joke. ;)
I concur... sadly, several of my friends have been sucked into the "tacti-cool" gear craze. Admittedly, I am prone to it... but whenever I see that latest "must-have" gadget at the gun show, I stop myself, go home, and do my research. Once I get beyond the "ooh-look-shiney!", it's easier to resist. That damned green laser still calls to me, though...
Had some fun this morning
flipping cans (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9h8d_yck1M&feature=youtu.be#)
Found the sweet spot on 4 and 5
[thumbsup]
I need to build some scrap sawhorses from my giant pile of construction leftovers for setting up target cans... sounds like a good Sunday afternoon project.
Quote from: duc_fan on August 23, 2013, 12:58:57 PM
[thumbsup]
I need to build some scrap sawhorses from my giant pile of construction leftovers for setting up target cans... sounds like a good Sunday afternoon project.
You can't see them, there are four 6p nails drove part way in on the edge, cut off head so a 1/4" sticks out. Paper targets hang perfectly. ;)
Almost bought an M&P9 today.
This time next Saturday morning I'll be set up on a corn feeder at my friend's ranch in west TX waiting for a big feral hog to wander into range. [thumbsup] It's time for my annual best holiday of the year... opening of dove season. My friends and I have been doing opening day together for 25+ years. Wouldn't miss it.
We always go a few days early to do some ranch work, shoot guns, hog hunt, eat like kings, smoke good cigars, hang out, laugh and not be in a big city or around irritating people. Priceless, adds years to my life.
My friend has game cameras set up on his feeders that send you a text telling you they have gone off. There is a related website that you can access that will show you all the recent pics. We all have his password and have been drooling over the hogs that show up at dark, 1:00AM and again right at sunrise. They range from 50-75 lbs (Mmmm... good eatin'!! [drool]) to some that are 300+ lbs. Even showed some bucks with really nice 10+ point racks in other pictures for the deer hunters later in the year. No deer for me. Just hogs and dove.
Got my 16" heavy barrel AR with a 3x9 Leupold AR scope all doped in and ready to go. Also taking my new Ruger Gunsite Scout rifle with a Leupold 1.5x5 Firedot scout scope. It needs some more mileage and hopefully I will get it up on one of the bigger pigs.
This next week can't pass fast enough. [popcorn] [bacon] [beer] I can smell the dove cooking over mesquite wood as I type!
Just less than a year ago, I ordered a bunch of milsurp 5.45 AK74 ammo from Sportsmans Guide. This was right as the SHTF with regard to ammo.
They are not my favorite place for ammo, but I used a free shipping coupon, which was necessary for the 8 spam cans.
Well, they sent me 2, and backordered the rest. Then 3 months later, another 2 came.
I just got an email saying the remaining 4 just shipped.
I was shocked that SG came thru given the huge price jump in ammo. The cost for these 1000 round cans is easily 200% more than I paid.
I think I am stocked up for a little while. Now, if I had only bought some 9mm too.. sheesh.
I've still got about 4K rds of 9mm, and about 1200 or so of 5.56. The rifle ammo is starting to come back a bit; just saw 1K cases of XM193 for a little over $400, but I think I'll wait a little longer before buying.
Quote from: rgramjet on August 23, 2013, 08:30:55 PM
why didn't ya?
Left my "ID" at work and didn't feel like paying the additional $150 over the blue label price.
There was some TulAmmo 5.56 in the 1000rd pack going for $330 shipped, but I am sure that's all gone. I got two cans, but I have plenty of LC in storage.
Local gun shop has 5.56 for $.55/rnd. Deal or no?
Mainly I'm just curious as I don't have anything to fire it but 55 gallon drums of ammo are cool :)
Quote from: Monsterlover on August 24, 2013, 07:01:22 AM
Local gun shop has 5.56 for $.55/rnd. Deal or no?
Mainly I'm just curious as I don't have anything to fire it but 55 gallon drums of ammo are cool :)
its a deal if that's all you can find, but do the math == $550 per 1000. I just got two cases of TulAmmo 5.56 for $330 each
Isn't the Russian stuff steel case ammo? Hopefully not corrosive primed. I've stayed away from Ruskie ammo since I had a bad experience years ago with Wolf .223 hollow point. Took a tactical class where the range would not allow ball ammo, only HP. The LEO instructor got a killer deal (back in the good old days) on the Wolf HP ammo for the students to buy.
Myself and another student had hell with the Wolf ammo. I took three ARs and none of them would feed consistantly. No extraction issues just feed problems. And yes, I used good mags. I keep them numbered on the base plates. In case one goes south I can ID it and keep it out of the rotation.
Bummer of a class but I did get real good immediate action/mag change drills! [laugh]
Wolf and TulAmmo are commercial loads -- no corrosive primers. Steel cased, and "polymer" coated.
I've only had problems with the old lacquer coated Wolf ammo in my Valmet. As far as I can tell, the Valmet's chamber is very tight and the lacquer gets just a tiny bit soft when heated and would cause the case to stick and fail to extract.
I've had no problems with the recent stuff that is polymer coated. Feed or extract. I've used it in both AR and the Valmet 76, zero issues.
If you're having FTF issues, I would measure the cartridge, but its possible your ramp just didn't like HP ammo.
I've had little problem with ammo over the years, except for one batch of Santa Barbara 9mm. It kaboomed a Tec-9 that I had (yeah yeah it's a fun plinker) and smells like dead cat and carb cleaner mixed. Lots of feed problems, it has a weird projectile.
The issue with the Wolf .223 HP was a long time ago. I should probably get over it and try the new Tula loads. Price damn sure is good but I'm stocked with .223 right now.
I assumed it was the ramp vs Wolf HP bullets. Other people had zero problems. Just me and one other student. All three of my ARs were different makers so the ammo just didn't like me and my guns. [laugh]
I can smell the dove cooking over mesquite wood as I type!
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Dove breasts wrapped in bacon with a slice of jalapeno over a mesquite fire is about as good as it gets!
Quote from: WarrenJ on August 24, 2013, 12:13:34 PM
Blah blah blah blah bacon blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah is about as good as it gets!
Why yes, yes it is.
[laugh]
Quote from: WarrenJ on August 24, 2013, 12:13:34 PM
I can smell the dove cooking over mesquite wood as I type!
Dove breasts wrapped in bacon with a slice of jalapeno over a mesquite fire is about as good as it gets!
Absolutely! That's the only way we cook 'em. [thumbsup] [drool]
PS ordered another stand & steel plate from your buddies at Arntzen. I leave a couple at my friend's ranch in west TX and a few at my place in east TX. Never without Arntzen steel plates where ever I go! [laugh]
Fast win, how far are you guys from Austin area.. would love to hang out with guys if you would have me if we get to move next year..
What do you guys use for the doves?
We use shotguns. OK, smart ass answer. [laugh] I shoot over and under Winchester 101s. Most of my friends use pumps. Mostly Remington 870s in 20 gauge.
I live in the DFW area as do others, some live in Austin and San Antonio. My friend's family ranch is north of Brownwood (in Brown County) near Cross Plains.
The hunting can be iffy. The local birds are shot or disappear in the first day or two of the season. Mostly the dumb ones get shot, the smart ones (or lucky ones!) fly away. Having a few cold fronts later in September and October can drive down some northern birds. The season ends around mid-October. It's nice then because it's not 100 degrees!
You'll love Austin! Lived there all during the 70s. Awesome town and great roads. [thumbsup] [Dolph]
If anyone is considering setting up an NFA trust and buying NFA toys, the law may change very soon....
Just saw an Executive Order on gun trusts but not sure of the details.
From what I read, that doesn't have to do with the ability to acquire NFA toys. It just means you now have to do an individual background check, even if the toy (NFA or not) is going under the trust.
The part I am uncertain on is the reimportation of military arms. However, post-'86 full autos weren't eligible for ownership by individuals or trusts that were not Class III dealers, anyway. So for Jim and Joe Bob and their family trust, this doesn't appear to change anything.
Now, if you're a Class III/NFA dealer, the new prohibition on reimportation sucks, because a big source of toys just dried up.
Let;s not get too deep into gun law...
K?
Gotcha. ;)
So... whenever I get around to it, I am going to be assembling my new .300AAC Blackout upper. Should I go through the paperwork and drop the thousand or so dollars to get a can for it? Would allow me to play with both subsonic and supersonic rounds, though I don't see much point in the subsonic stuff. I'm not one of those "tacti-cool" addicts, and I don't anticipate doing covert CQB... ever. But for plinking it might be nice to have something quiet. I love the occasional big "boom" as much as the next guy, but sometimes I wanna put holes in paper and not be uber-disruptive of my surroundings. When I wanna make noise, I have the .44 mag, or the .52 muzzleloader, or the 12-gauge. [evil]
If I had a can on the AR, I suppose I'd start keeping it bedside at night for home defense. It'd be nice to not go deaf on the extremely remote chance I had to use it.
An AR can for .300 is a thousand dollars?
Are you make the beast with two backsing serious?!?
Everyone, if possible should try and have a can on their hone defense weapon. Would suck if your partially deaf and can't hear the guys partner.
Quote from: Monsterlover on August 29, 2013, 06:34:04 PM
An AR can for .300 is a thousand dollars?
Are you make the beast with two backsing serious?!?
Not once you start making them.
;D
Quote from: Monsterlover on August 29, 2013, 06:34:04 PM
An AR can for .300 is a thousand dollars?
Are you make the beast with two backsing serious?!?
Now do you understand why I pushed you to get an ffl sot?
Quote from: ducatiz on August 29, 2013, 08:19:22 PM
Now do you understand why I pushed you to get an ffl sot?
Yes.
The cans themselves runs 650+ last I checked. It's the same can as a .308 (same projectile). Then you gotta pay for the $200 tax stamp plus whatever other fees are involved in completing the transfer.
Gemtech HVT .308 is $760... plus transfer tax, shipping, and dealer fees.
The AAC Cyclone of $750.
YHM Phantom is $705 (plus above).
There are two no-name units that bottom out at $650 on ImpactGuns. So even with one of those, you're up to $850 including the stamp, then there's shipping, plus dealer xfer fee.
And as with anything, you can easily go up in the price range. $1500 is not unheard of.
Knowing me, I wouldn't be satisfied with a bottom-of-the-barrel unit... I'm going to want reasonable levels of reliability, longevity, and quietness. I'd probably end up right at or a little over a grand.
Quote from: cokey on August 29, 2013, 07:18:44 PM
Everyone, if possible should try and have a can on their hone defense weapon. Would suck if your partially deaf and can't hear the guys partner.
This is what I am starting to think.
Plus I like being courteous to our neighbors. We live in very peaceful countryside, and I'd like to keep rude intrusions on that to a minimum.
I'm not a fan of a rifle for "home defense." Put a suppressor on a shotgun and then we can talk.
Lol, I've seen one... turns it into a 45 sound maybe..
Saw a suppressed shotgun episode of Sons of Guns at some point
Slugs, not buck though.
Quote from: ducatiz on August 30, 2013, 12:23:44 PM
I'm not a fan of a rifle for "home defense." Put a suppressor on a shotgun and then we can talk.
I hear that, but I want to hear the other. ;)
Specially for Kopfjager
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=31736:sandf-mum-about-drc-sniper-super-shot&catid=55:SANDF&Itemid=108 (http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=31736:sandf-mum-about-drc-sniper-super-shot&catid=55:SANDF&Itemid=108)
Weapon used Denel NTW 20, don`t need to be very accurate with this cannon
Damn.. 50$ round?
Quote from: DRKWNG on August 23, 2013, 02:35:52 PM
Almost bought an M&P9 today.
Bought it today.
Also, in case anyone else out there has one and needs mags; Midway has 17rd'ers in stock for $33. Limit is two per person per transaction.
Cool. [thumbsup]
Post up some pics when you take it out for break-in.
Going to shoot it and see how I like it. It will be up for sale soon if I don't.
Quote from: DRKWNG on September 06, 2013, 11:17:57 AM
Bought it today.
Also, in case anyone else out there has one and needs mags; Midway has 17rd'ers in stock for $33. Limit is two per person per transaction.
The full sized version?
Quote from: ducatiz on September 06, 2013, 12:22:25 PM
The full sized version?
Yup. The 4.25" barrel model, not the 5" Pro Series.
Quote from: DRKWNG on September 06, 2013, 12:13:33 PM
Going to shoot it and see how I like it. It will be up for sale soon if I don't.
Still have that 'other' 9?
Quote from: ducpainter on September 06, 2013, 03:46:39 PM
Still have that 'other' 9?
The SP-01? Sure do. It doesn't see as much use as the Glocks though. Work gives us 17s/19s when we go abroad, so I like to stay more proficient with those.
Quote from: DRKWNG on September 06, 2013, 05:40:04 PM
The SP-01? Sure do. It doesn't see as much use as the Glocks though. Work gives us 17s/19s when we go abroad, so I like to stay more proficient with those.
Not cool enough for a G18? Lol
Not in the armory. Besides, they're close to useless. I'd much rather have an MP7, which is in the armory.
Quote from: DRKWNG on September 06, 2013, 06:26:24 PM
Not in the armory. Besides, they're close to useless. I'd much rather have an MP7, which is in the armory.
Shabak uses modified G17 (drop in sear switch) but with a forward grip and snap in rifle butt. Cant be that bad...
With a stock, probably not. At least then you'd be able to have a bit of control over that thing. Still, running some of the 124Nato loads through that thing with the happy switch engaged would be a handful.
They also still field the micro uzi which is similar to the mp7 featurewise.
Quote from: DRKWNG on September 06, 2013, 06:26:24 PM
Not in the armory. Besides, they're close to useless. I'd much rather have an MP7, which is in the armory.
+1 useless gun.
Quote from: ducatiz on September 06, 2013, 06:43:30 PM
They also still field the micro uzi which is similar to the mp7 featurewise.
The Uzi is a piece of shit gun.
Quote from: kopfjäger on September 06, 2013, 07:43:17 PM
The Uzi is a piece of shit gun.
I had one while in the German Army and didn't like the slow fire rate or the lack of accuracy.
It was indestructible and easily taken apart though.
Please elaborate.
Quote from: Zaster on September 06, 2013, 08:07:23 PM
I had one while in the German Army and didn't like the slow fire rate or the lack of accuracy.
It was indestructible and easily taken apart though.
Please elaborate.
Stamped metal pos, 9mm sub guns are useless in combat. Not just the Uzi, but all of them. Try and reach out to 400 with any of those sub guns, ain't gonna happen. ;)
Quote from: kopfjäger on September 06, 2013, 08:15:20 PM
Stamped metal pos, 9mm sub guns are useless in combat. Not just the Uzi, but all of them. Try and reach out to 400 with any of those sub guns, ain't gonna happen. ;)
Might do Ok for close combat, useless past 100 + meters
Quote from: Zaster on September 06, 2013, 08:24:37 PM
Might do Ok for close combat, useless past 100 + meters
Useless at CQB distance as well. ;)
Quote from: kopfjäger on September 06, 2013, 08:42:26 PM
Useless at CQB distance as well. ;)
I'm listening, more explanation
Quote from: Zaster on September 06, 2013, 08:55:42 PM
I'm listening, more explanation
What do want to know? Have you used that pos in CQB combat for real? We would never ever use a 9mm sub gun for anything other than fun day on the range.
Shabak personal security still carries them. Never for more than cqb and the modern version is burst with closed bolt. They have evolved.
Shabak can use anything they want and stay pretty busy.
Took the M&P out to the range today.
Quote from: DRKWNG on September 08, 2013, 07:24:50 PM
Took the M&P out to the range today.
I'm pushing for more range time at work.
I would be content with the same amount of time Kopf. gets. [evil]
Quote from: Bick on September 08, 2013, 07:30:47 PM
I'm pushing for more range time at work.
I would be content with the same amount of time Kopf. gets. [evil]
Should be the norm. ;)
Quote from: DRKWNG on September 08, 2013, 07:35:02 PM
It's not a Glock, that's for sure.
Nothing compares. ;)
Quote from: kopfjäger on September 08, 2013, 07:37:55 PM
Nothing compares. ;)
I didn't shoot as well with it as I had hoped I would. Ran about two hundred rounds through it (FMJ and JHP, all 147 gr) but just didn't seem to jive with the piece. Not sure if I want to try different loads to see if it likes other ammo better, or just chalk this up to lesson learned and sell it.
Quote from: kopfjäger on September 08, 2013, 07:32:13 PM
Should be the norm. ;)
Should be the MINIMUM. [evil] [evil] [evil]
Quote from: DRKWNG on September 08, 2013, 07:41:58 PM
I didn't shoot as well with it as I had hoped I would. Ran about two hundred rounds through it (FMJ and JHP, all 147 gr) but just didn't seem to jive with the piece. Not sure if I want to try different loads to see if it likes other ammo better, or just chalk this up to lesson learned and sell it.
I'd give it another go.
Quote from: Monsterlover on September 08, 2013, 07:41:26 PM
Why is that?
Best straight out the box pistol I've ever fired.
Quote from: Bick on September 08, 2013, 07:44:22 PM
Should be the MINIMUM. [evil] [evil] [evil]
I got 42 students this week. We'll shoot 130,00 556 and 100,00 9mm in 5 days. [evil]
Quote from: kopfjäger on September 08, 2013, 07:53:36 PM
I got 42 students this week. We'll shoot 130,00 556 and 100,00 9mm in 5 days. [evil]
We don't get much more that that...
Annually...
For the whole battalion.
>:(
Quote from: kopfjäger on September 08, 2013, 07:53:36 PM
I got 42 students this week. We'll shoot 130,00 556 and 100,00 9mm in 5 days. [evil]
I'm coming down for your class.
Quote from: Bick on September 08, 2013, 08:01:32 PM
We don't get much more that that...
Annually...
For the whole battalion.
>:(
4 Classes a year. ;)
I'd seriously love to. But now that I'm no longer AD... Oh well, guess there's always Frank. ;D
I would love to be able to send my men down for a week.
Of course, I also thought my men should have a green platoon like experience.
Quote from: DRKWNG on September 08, 2013, 08:11:35 PM
I'd seriously love to. But now that I'm no longer AD... Oh well, guess there's always Frank. ;D
Frank's new Range is sweet.
Quote from: kopfjäger on September 08, 2013, 08:49:41 PM
Frank's new Range is sweet.
Looks that way from the pics I've seen. Too bad uncle sugar doesn't foot the ammo bill at that range as well.
I took my Schmidt-Rubin K31 (7.5x55mm Swiss) out last weekend and used it with a Caldwell Lead Sled, and had my dad spotting. Wowsers. That's the first time I have seriously attempted to measure its accuracy. As near as I can tell, the gun shoots like a laser. I wish I had better eyesight, because with open iron sights, I can barely see the 1" black bullseye at 60 yards. It's a IZ_ blob, so I just do my best to aim for the center of it. When I take my time, it'll keep the group at or under 1" at 60 yds, and I think most of that variation was my eyeball.
One issue is that I was wearing safety glasses instead of my eyeglasses. Slightly nearsighted. Just enough that details aren't sharp at long distances. I'm tempted to go back out and try with my regular eyeglasses to see if the added sharpness helps.
Also need to stake out a range longer than 60 yards. To be fair, on much of the terrain around our place, you wouldn't be hunting much beyond that distance anyway. And being able to hit a 1" target at 60 yds would make for a pretty clean kill on deer out here.
Yes, the Swiss, in addition to being a cool collectible, is also my designated deer rifle. I have some Nosler Ballistic Tips for reloading the Prvi Partizan boxer-primed brass, making it suitable for hunting.
Anyway... I'm envious of you military guys who can see the target well enough to obtain marksman ratings at 300m and greater.
Those K31's shoot! I've shot a number of 1" groups at 100 with mine. Great, interesting rifles. Get some 6" or larger black targets that you can resolve well and just be consistent where you line up your sights on it. Far easier than trying to resolve small targets with iron sights. Many times, when I am trying to check accuracy with a rifle with a low powered scope, I'll use a larger, square target and put the intersection of the crosshair on the corner of the square. Far more precise than trying to guess the exact center.
NOE molds makes a special mold for the K31 - Thinking about picking one up and working up a good cast bullet load for mine.
Quote from: DRKWNG on September 08, 2013, 08:52:37 PM
Looks that way from the pics I've seen. Too bad uncle sugar doesn't foot the ammo bill at that range as well.
He will eventually, we've done it Mid South for years. ;)
Ive never loaded for the 7.5 swiss but I thought the bullets were regular 308. At least thats what ppl on the swissrifle forum were loading. Ive got a case of virgin unprimed brass. Ill get a round tuit ...
Quote from: ducatiz on September 09, 2013, 05:59:49 PM
Ive never loaded for the 7.5 swiss but I thought the bullets were regular 308. At least thats what ppl on the swissrifle forum were loading. Ive got a case of virgin unprimed brass. Ill get a round tuit ...
The originals were .306 and used a paper patch. .308 probably works great depending on rifling diameter.
The K31 uses a 308 dia bullet. NOE makes a mold specifically for the throat length of the K31 which is a bit longer than some. I had one of the very early ones, an 1889 Bicycle Carbine that someone had butchered. I slugged the bore and it was about .314 if memory serves correctly. It had an 11 round box mag that was raised and lowered in and out of engagement by a lever on the side.
If you look under the buttplate, some of the K31 rifles still have a piece of plastic like material with the guys name and address the gun was issued to. Mine had it. I guess some people have actually contacted the people the guns were originally issued to.
One really clever simple feature I always thought was cool on them was the slot milled in for the front sight post. Its milled in at an angle and the post sits on an angle to the dovetail to always be aligned as windage is adjusted. I think the Swiss just like to show off their machining skills.
Quote from: ducpainter on September 09, 2013, 06:06:43 PM
The originals were .306 and used a paper patch. .308 probably works great depending on rifling diameter.
Maybe the 1886 model, but the gp11 swiss milsurp has no paper. I think lard....
Quote from: ducatiz on September 10, 2013, 06:09:31 AM
Maybe the 1886 model, but the gp11 swiss milsurp has no paper. I think lard....
The 1889? Yes. The GP90 round was paper patched.
Quote from: WarrenJ on September 09, 2013, 07:35:31 PM
The K31 uses a 308 dia bullet. NOE makes a mold specifically for the throat length of the K31 which is a bit longer than some. I had one of the very early ones, an 1889 Bicycle Carbine that someone had butchered. I slugged the bore and it was about .314 if memory serves correctly. It had an 11 round box mag that was raised and lowered in and out of engagement by a lever on the side.
If you look under the buttplate, some of the K31 rifles still have a piece of plastic like material with the guys name and address the gun was issued to. Mine had it. I guess some people have actually contacted the people the guns were originally issued to.
One really clever simple feature I always thought was cool on them was the slot milled in for the front sight post. Its milled in at an angle and the post sits on an angle to the dovetail to always be aligned as windage is adjusted. I think the Swiss just like to show off their machining skills.
That's what I bought for it, .308 cal bullets. I used input from a couple reloaders who have worked with 7.5 Swiss. Haven't tried it yet, because my bench got discombobulated for a move last year... then I've been waiting for the garage floor to get done before I set everything up again. Now the floor is done, I can set my bench back up and put the Rock Chucker to work. ;)
I checked under the buttplate on mine shortly after I bought it (~8 years ago). Did a complete teardown and cleaning, had to fix a couple small surface rust spots that were just starting to pit. Anyway... no paper or plastic with name of soldier under the buttplate on mine. :( But, at least it is a numbers-matching rifle (including the magazine). 1942 production. Wish I had the matching bayonet... but finding one of those with the matching serial number to the rifle is difficult. I bought it because it was relatively cheap, clean, and cool. Made like a Swiss watch. LOVE the action on the straight-pull bolt. Smoother than any new rifle I've handled.
+1 on the Swiss liking to show off their machining skills. ;) That's one of the things I love about this rifle.
Ran another couple hundred rds through the M&P this evening. I was a lot better with it tonight than I was on Sunday, but... Kopf, do you know what weight ammo Frank likes to run through his?
Quote from: DRKWNG on September 10, 2013, 08:11:05 PM
Ran another couple hundred rds through the M&P this evening. I was a lot better with it tonight than I was on Sunday, but... Kopf, do you know what weight ammo Frank likes to run through his?
I'll find out tomorrow.
Can anyone give me the pro's and con's on a Beretta .380 auto - 84 Cheetah - CAL.9 short (stainless w/ wood grips)
To be used for target and home protect.
Beretta's tilt-barrel guns are interesting, but it's not an exceptional gun -- fairly typical blowback 380/9mm short handgun.
It will work well and with the tilt barrel it is easy to load and unload, for those that have weak hands to work the slide.
I like my SIG P232 .380 auto... but it's the other end from the comment above about strength... you gotta have a good grip and some strength to work the slide (especially if the hammer is up as well). It's got pretty stiff springs for such a small gun. My wife has trouble with racking the slide on it. Cocking the hammer manually so you're not fighting the mainspring helps.
Little bugger is as accurate as a laser, though. It's a blowback design with a fixed barrel, and that sucker is as accurate as the shooter's pointing skills.
If .380 was cheaper, I'd shoot it a lot more. It's a lot of fun.
Thanks Ducatiz, I have not fired it but have cycled it and it seems to have pretty stiff springs or maybe it's me
Is it me or are most .380's built for tiny hands?
I can almost palm a basketball so I generally don't even give them a second look.
I have a tilt barrel Baretta in .22. Its finnicky on ammo but overall a nice pistol.
Tiny has its place....I use my Kel Tec .32 as a money clip.
Quote from: Monsterlover on September 11, 2013, 02:57:49 PM
Is it me or are most .380's built for tiny hands?
I can almost palm a basketball so I generally don't even give them a second look.
If you can carry a pistol in your hand all the time then no issue...
I have to put mine (pistol) away most of the time. ;)
Lol, I get they're geared for concealment. I was thinking more of Is there a 380 comfy to shoot in a bigger hand.
Quote from: Monsterlover on September 11, 2013, 04:38:52 PM
Lol, I get they're geared for concealment. I was thinking more of Is there a 380 comfy to shoot in a bigger hand.
You could try a CZ 83...all steel with a grip the same as the 82 in 9 Mak.
Very different from the typical .380 pocket pistol.
That's the other reason I have the SIG. The P232 is probably the best of the deep concealment pistols for those with large hands.
Because of my hand (and frame) size, I normally carry the P220 Carry, which is a full-frame .45 with a slightly shorter barrel than the standard model. I have the P232 for formal or other events where deep concealment is prudent.
For reference, when I buy moto gloves, they're usually XXL or XXXL, depending on brand and cut.
Interesting. I have often thought a compact .45acp would be a great carry piece for me. I like that it's the full sized grip, short barrel and thin like 1911's are as compared to my ruger 9 which has the double stack mag.
I'm just theorizing though.
Quote from: Monsterlover on September 11, 2013, 07:19:39 PM
Interesting. I have often thought a compact .45acp would be a great carry piece for me. I like that it's the full sized grip, short barrel and thin like 1911's are as compared to my ruger 9 which has the double stack mag.
I'm just theorizing though.
My wife carries a commander lenght 1911. She loves it, and it is easy to conceal. I love shooting 1911s, I just don't like carrying them.
same here. Love shooting them. Hate carrying. I had an officers acp too. Too thick. I love the kahr and keltec for carrying. The kahr is a dream to shoot but the keltec can be concealed with anything.
A modern version of the colt 1908 would be a good carry option. Slender and a full size.
Anyone have any experience with a Colt Mustang?
I would not care for the trigger on the 1908 at all. Or for the .25 cartridge. I'm not sure what you see as good about that gun that you can't get in a modern compact .380.
Colt has started making the Mustang again, but IMHO it is simply a waste of space given modern materials and the demands of the .380 cartridge.
Compare the width of the Mustang to the KelTec P380 or the newish Ruger LCP. Or even the Sig 232. There is no comparison.
A .380 should be incredibly slim. My Keltec is about .80" wide. The Mustang is about 1.2" wide, more than 50% wider. That makes a huge difference when you're sticking it IWB, unless your BMI is about 10. Even the SIG 232 is narrower than the Mustang, but it's a bigger frame overall so you wouldn't carry it IWB as easily.
Then again, I've seen people with a G19 IWB. WTF?
Quote from: ducatiz on September 12, 2013, 06:38:02 AM
Then again, I've seen people with a G19 IWB. WTF?
;D That is actually what I carry, just in the G23 flavor. Surprisingly easy in a Milt Sparks VM2.
My P220 isn't the fattest thing on the planet (single stack .45)... but I comfortably carry it IWB in a Comp-Tac MTAC holster.
When I'm dressed formally and carrying the P232, I generally carry it in a 5.11 Tactical holster shirt (like an Underarmour fitted undershirt with vertical shoulder holsters sewn in). Would like to get a tuckable IWB holster for it, but it seems options are limited, expensive, and custom made-to-order.
No kidding. I can easily carry a G19 IWB. Hell, sometimes I carry the G17 that way if my shirt is loose enough. Need to lay off the pies Tizzy. ;D
Quote from: ducatiz on September 12, 2013, 06:38:02 AM
I would not care for the trigger on the 1908 at all. Or for the .25 cartridge. I'm not sure what you see as good about that gun that you can't get in a modern compact .380.
I liked the 1908 because it felt like a 1911. I can see not liking the trigger. And I thought they came in a .380.
The LCP is a .380 auto?
Quote from: duc_fan on September 12, 2013, 09:31:01 AM
When I'm dressed formally and carrying the P232, I generally carry it in a 5.11 Tactical holster shirt (like an Underarmour fitted undershirt with vertical shoulder holsters sewn in). Would like to get a tuckable IWB holster for it, but it seems options are limited, expensive, and custom made-to-order.
Buy a you mold it kit from Old Faithful holsters for the Bersa Thunder. Mold it to the 232. Problem solved.
Quote from: The Architect on September 12, 2013, 02:20:13 PM
I liked the 1908 because it felt like a 1911. I can see not liking the trigger. And I thought they came in a .380.
The LCP is a .380 auto?
The 1908 may come in a 380 but ive only seen them in 25. The LCP is a 380 nearly an exact copy of the keltec but much nicer.
Quote from: DRKWNG on September 12, 2013, 02:12:12 PM
No kidding. I can easily carry a G19 IWB. Hell, sometimes I carry the G17 that way if my shirt is loose enough. Need to lay off the pies Tizzy. ;D
Iwb means inside waist band, not stuffed in your ass crack.
Hair pies only.
lol Whatever.
Quote from: DW on September 12, 2013, 03:32:18 PM
Buy a you mold it kit from Old Faithful holsters for the Bersa Thunder. Mold it to the 232. Problem solved.
Ooh, actually... I hadn't checked their website in a while. They now have an option for the P230 (which is the same form factor). With the quick-assemble kit, I can get it optioned the way I want for less than $45, and no need to mold the Kydex myself. Need to remember to place that order when I get home...
Another option along the lines of the Colt Mustang, if you really like that style: The SIG P238.
I think it's a newer model in SIG's lineup (relatively speaking)... wasn't around when I bought my 232. Looking at pics alone, I'd still stick with the 232, but that's personal preference. The P238 looks less ergonomic... and I really like the ergos on the P232. I have a hard time getting my big paws clamped down on smaller deep-concealment pistols (Keltec, etc).
FYI: If you check SIG's website, they state the width on the P232 is 1.2"... but that must be the thickest part of the grip, not the frame or slide. I don't have it in front of me for an exact measurement, but I can tell you from memory the slide is thinner than 1".
What were we talking about again? Someone asked about a .380 subcompact?
Quote from: ducatiz on September 12, 2013, 06:38:02 AM
Then again, I've seen people with a G19 IWB. WTF?
What's s wrong with that?
Quote from: kopfjäger on September 12, 2013, 09:40:40 PM
What's s wrong with that?
NOTHING is wrong with it if youve got that much room in your pants. My skinny jeans and jeggings dont permit it.
Oh I get it. [laugh] You're a city-slicker in your tight jeans and body-hugging shirts. ;) It's nice to live in the country, where that's not a necessity... so I can wear more moderately fitting jeans ("classic fit", not relaxed fit) and looser shirts and look normal. Yeah... my brother in his fashionable skinny jeans would never be able to wear a P220 IWB. He'd have to go up a size in both jeans and shirt.
Quote from: duc_fan on September 13, 2013, 09:34:32 AM
Oh I get it. [laugh] You're a city-slicker in your tight jeans and body-hugging shirts. ;) It's nice to live in the country, where that's not a necessity... so I can wear more moderately fitting jeans ("classic fit", not relaxed fit) and looser shirts and look normal. Yeah... my brother in his fashionable skinny jeans would never be able to wear a P220 IWB. He'd have to go up a size in both jeans and shirt.
Nope, I have a 80s small John Deere tractor, a few Jonsered saws, do 90% of my car and bike work and eat roadkill.
But I like to look nice. I even have skinny overalls.
I was just teasing. ;) To each their own. But yeah, one definitely has to either dress around the gun, or figure out how to carry within the confines of their selected attire.
The P232 or a smaller pistol in the 5.11 Tactical undershirt would probably be a good option. You can wear whatever pants you like. Shirt might have to be tailored such that the bulge isn't obvious. I just wear my shirt a size too big. Not uber-fashionable, but I value security over looks. Would like to find a tailor who's cool with carry and can help me tweak the bigger shirts so they look more fitted without printing the gun. Just haven't had time for it. I do have more fashion-conscious fitted shirts for times when carry is not allowed... work, commercial air travel, appointments at controlled buildings/facilities, etc.
With that 5.11 holster, you can wear a fluffy pirate shirt.
http://youtu.be/dGJT38HJaHg (http://youtu.be/dGJT38HJaHg)
That's right, the dropped mag didn't hit the ground first. [evil]
http://youtu.be/W6eXINBTahA (http://youtu.be/W6eXINBTahA)
Quote from: kopfjäger on September 13, 2013, 05:45:28 PM
That's right, the dropped mag didn't hit the ground first. [evil]
http://youtu.be/W6eXINBTahA (http://youtu.be/W6eXINBTahA)
Its almost as if he's done that before
Quote from: Monsterlover on September 13, 2013, 06:16:43 PM
Its almost as if he's done that before
....a time or two. :D
Quote from: ducatiz on September 13, 2013, 05:30:01 AM
NOTHING is wrong with it if youve got that much room in your pants. My skinny jeans and jeggings dont permit it.
Skinny jeans, seriously Sally. :-*
Quote from: kopfjäger on September 13, 2013, 07:16:09 PM
Skinny jeans, seriously Sally. :-*
Naturally Nancy. .. :-*
Any input on a fair price for a Sig 232?
JM
Quote from: the_Journeyman on September 17, 2013, 03:37:44 PM
Any input on a fair price for a Sig 232?
JM
Black or stainless and what overall shape?
Good condition black models around 450
I paid a little over $700 for the stainless model with night sights and Hogue rubber grip, new from dealer. That was 4+ years ago. I don't see any listed on Gunbroker in that configuration... with the basic black plastic grip, they seem to be available for low $600 range (plus S&H, FFL, etc).
Put an Apex trigger kit and new sights on the M&P today.
Quote from: ducatiz on September 17, 2013, 04:49:41 PM
Black or stainless and what overall shape?
Good condition black models around 450
Stainless, good condition, Made in Germany stamped on frame just below slide and just above trigger. Not sure that even matters. Don't have specifics about rounds through and all. $650 is what I saw, with three clips. I *felt* that was a little high for a .380 but wanted more informed opinions.
JM
$650 is reasonable... IF, it has the night sights, Hogue grip (or $-added optional wood grip), the original box and paperwork, is in near-new cosmetic condition, and has only had a few boxes of ammo through it. Otherwise, that's high for a used example. If it lacks the night sights, it should be no more than $550. The Hogue grip... you can assign your own value. The grip itself, new, is like $15.
Yeah, the price on a P232 is high compared to other .380's. It's hard to argue with the build quality, though. And if it fits your hand... well, for me being able to hit what I'm aiming at is worth the money.
Quote from: DRKWNG on September 17, 2013, 06:07:03 PM
Put an Apex trigger kit and new sights on the M&P today.
What sights did you go with?
Wow really 650?
Pshhhh I may sell mine then.
Quote from: kopfjäger on September 17, 2013, 06:54:10 PM
What sights did you go with?
Trij HDs with the orange front. Ping'd Frank to get his take on the Warren Tactical f/o sights, but didn't hear back from him. I didn't have great luck with the TFO fibres I had before, and all my Glocks have the HDs, so it seemed natural.
Quote from: DRKWNG on September 17, 2013, 06:59:41 PM
Trij HDs with the orange front. Ping'd Frank to get his take on the Warren Tactical f/o sights, but didn't hear back from him. I didn't have great luck with the TFO fibres I had before, and all my Glocks have the HDs, so it seemed natural.
Any questions you have for Frank, ask me and I'll get the answer. The boy is busy.
HA! Frank just posted up that he's working on a collaboration deal with 10-8.
Took the M&P out for the first time after installing the APEX trigger kit and the HD sights. Those APEX parts make a hell of a difference on how that weapon shoots; no more grit, a smooth take up followed by a crisp release, and a MUCH shorter reset. MAJOR improvement! [thumbsup]
Still don't print anywhere near as tight of groups as I do with the 1911 though. :D
Quote from: DRKWNG on September 22, 2013, 05:51:18 PM
Took the M&P out for the first time after installing the APEX trigger kit and the HD sights. Those APEX parts make a hell of a difference on how that weapon shoots; no more grit, a smooth take up followed by a crisp release, and a MUCH shorter reset. MAJOR improvement! [thumbsup]
Still don't print anywhere near as tight of groups as I do with the 1911 though. :D
I'm a little dissapointed with my M&P, experienced the same results shooting both guns at the range
I wasn't sure about the M&P either at first. I found the standard three dot sights distracting and the trigger was horrible! Replaced both of those, and while it's not an entirely new pistol, it is now how it should have come from the factory. Find someone with an APEX kit installed and shoot theirs. You'll order parts the same day.
Thanks, I'll give it a try.
I think finding an M&P that shoots as well as even a mildly tuned 1911 is going to be difficult. The 1911s I've fired have all been lasers. Once you figure out how to grip it and aim it, the gun just works.
Only thing I found to come close was the P220. The ergos are better for my hand, so it's easier for me to shoot the same nice groups.
I love a good .45 [thumbsup] The ballistics might not be as snazzy as some of the newer designed cartridges, but that big bullet running at a lower pressure just seems to work. They generally don't blow up the chamber (kabooms), since they run significantly lower pressures than a 9mm or 40S&W. They have a smoother recoil. It's more of a "thump" as opposed to the "snap" of a .40. It also makes a more pleasant, deeper sound.
Anyway... the .45 is my favorite caliber to just go shooting with. Not the latest and greatest whiz-bang thing out there, just a well-designed and pleasant cartridge to use.
Good description of the .45 Ol' reliable like a freight train.
I feel the same about my CZ85, and my ammo is cheaper.. :-D
Quote from: duc_fan on September 23, 2013, 10:54:07 AM
Only thing I found to come close was the P220. The ergos are better for my hand, so it's easier for me to shoot the same nice groups.
I had an older, mid '90s 220 that I recently sold. It was a nice shooting gun, and very accurate, but I just didn't like the fact that its bore-axis was so high. I started selling off my .45s and replacing them with 9mm in the last few years as I just don't .45 as enjoyable to shoot. I'm down to one 1911, but I think I'll end up keeping this one. It's fun to shoot, but the necrotic bone in my wrist keeps me from putting too many rounds down the pipe...
Get good at using the other hand?
Nope
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PFxn0Dv3tHA&desktop_uri=/watch?v=PFxn0Dv3tHA (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PFxn0Dv3tHA&desktop_uri=/watch?v=PFxn0Dv3tHA)
Friend of mine just offered me a USP .45 for a good price.
Thoughts?
Quote from: Buckethead on September 27, 2013, 05:56:19 PM
Friend of mine just offered me a USP .45 for a good price.
Thoughts?
If it's what you want and a good price, go for it. Not a fan.
Quote from: Buckethead on September 27, 2013, 05:56:19 PM
Friend of mine just offered me a USP .45 for a good price.
Thoughts?
I had the big one from late 90's with a surefire light, (named it my house gun), it always felt to big to me so I got rid of it. Shot nice with a long smooth revolver type first shot. Didn't like mag drop if I remember right. I just remember it felt almost like my Desert Eagle, well maybe not that big. Recoil was well under control because of the weight and you can't beat the reliability. If it is the lighter one I would snatch it, but the big one is for SWAT carry style.
Quote from: Buckethead on September 27, 2013, 05:56:19 PM
Friend of mine just offered me a USP .45 for a good price.
Thoughts?
They are rock solid and very well featured if you have the model with both decocker and safety.
They are very large. That is the only negative with them -- the slide is very square.
But they are phenomenal.
Ps I am selling my USP45 ...stainless slide model..
Quote from: kopfjäger on September 27, 2013, 05:31:55 PM
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PFxn0Dv3tHA&desktop_uri=/watch?v=PFxn0Dv3tHA (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PFxn0Dv3tHA&desktop_uri=/watch?v=PFxn0Dv3tHA)
BUT!! That's not how Magpul teaches it!!
Quote from: ducatiz on September 28, 2013, 05:16:40 AMPs I am selling my USP45 ...stainless slide model..
Is it the compact?
USP 45 is a nice gun.
For my big hands, the full-size fit quite nicely. As well as the P220.
Only reason I bought the P220 instead was I could get slightly better groups out of it. Otherwise I'd have happily brought home the HK.
Speaking of big .45s... someday I will add a Mk23 SOCOM to my collection, just for the heck of it. If I can group well enough with it, it may become the permanent "house gun".
(http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/HKbulletsBackwards.jpg)
Quote from: DRKWNG on September 29, 2013, 06:05:07 PM
(http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/HKbulletsBackwards.jpg)
They'll never live that one down. ;D
Quote from: DRKWNG on September 29, 2013, 06:05:07 PM
(http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/HKbulletsBackwards.jpg)
[laugh]
First thing I taught my wife:
"Just remember: the pointy end goes AWAY from you!"
Second was to keep the pointy end directed away from anything she did not want to destroy (people, pets, priceless antiques, etc).
Quote from: ducpainter on September 29, 2013, 06:18:53 PM
They'll never live that one down. ;D
I always thought that was intentional.
I took it as them saying its accuracy and reliability are so good that you'll never need a second mag.
Quote from: Rameses on October 02, 2013, 07:31:06 PM
I always thought that was intentional.
I took it as them saying its accuracy and reliability are so good that you'll never need a second mag.
Not if you load the bullets backwards
Quote from: Rameses on October 02, 2013, 07:31:06 PM
I always thought that was intentional.
I took it as them saying its accuracy and reliability are so good that you'll never need a second mag.
If that's what they were trying to convey...
I'd call it an epic fail.
You guys are missing this wonderful feature. This is an example of those trick guns that are supposed to fire at the person holding it.
Or the guy sneaking up behind you.
Always wondered about that print ad... does HK charge extra for their guns that shoot backward? ;D
Anyone have experience with the take down 10-22? Just saw this one and I like it.
http://www.jgsales.com/ruger-k10-22-takedown-22lr-threaded-stainless-steel-barrel-with-flash-hider,-synthetic-stock,-new.-p-59809.html (http://www.jgsales.com/ruger-k10-22-takedown-22lr-threaded-stainless-steel-barrel-with-flash-hider,-synthetic-stock,-new.-p-59809.html)
Behind every blade of grass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KihAwNn-zoM&feature=youtube_gdata_player (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KihAwNn-zoM&feature=youtube_gdata_player)
The original quote was " behind every braid of glass." I never understood.
http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/articles/2013/10/end-of-an-era-last-us-lead-smelter-to-close-in-december.aspx (http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/articles/2013/10/end-of-an-era-last-us-lead-smelter-to-close-in-december.aspx)
Quote from: rgramjet on October 10, 2013, 02:48:23 PM
Anyone have experience with the take down 10-22? Just saw this one and I like it.
http://www.jgsales.com/ruger-k10-22-takedown-22lr-threaded-stainless-steel-barrel-with-flash-hider,-synthetic-stock,-new.-p-59809.html (http://www.jgsales.com/ruger-k10-22-takedown-22lr-threaded-stainless-steel-barrel-with-flash-hider,-synthetic-stock,-new.-p-59809.html)
Yes, I bought one at the end of this summer before dove season. Like all 10/22s it runs like a Swiss watch. It comes in a cool little carry bag that fits the stocked receiver, the stocked barrel and an extra sleeve for scopes, etc. The bag has extra pockets on the outside for mags, ammo, etc. It's a solo shoulder sling bag and if you spray paint over the red Ruger hawk logo (which I did) no one would even know there's a sweet .22lr rifle inside. Great for camping or stowing in your car/truck for the farm and stuff.
The barrel assembly locks up tight. It's as accurate as any 10/22 I've owned except for a bull barrel/Hogue stocked number I have. Shooting it you'd never know it was a "take a-part" gun.
Mine's stainless with black composite stock. I snagged a cheap Simmons 3x9 silver scope and some silver Leupold quick release 1" rings from Optics Planet and it shoots great once I got it doped in. Also threw a Bushnell TRS-25 mini red dot in the carry bag that I also got from OP that was on sale as a factory refurb demo. Nice and cheap and also works great. Rifle comes with a good Picatinny rail that it all mounts on.
By the way, you need to take your scope off the receiver (see quick release rings comment) so the stocked receiver will fit in it's sleeve. No biggie. The scope with QR rings fits in the extra sleeve like it was made for it. Probably was.
Get one! Everyone should. What's not to like? [thumbsup] ;D
fastwin
http://youtu.be/XU28VypI-o4 (http://youtu.be/XU28VypI-o4)
In a shooting I am unfortunately far too familiar with, the cops came in after a barricaded suspect. They shot the floor, the walls, the ceiling, bullet impacts over 90 degrees from the threat at ranges of 5 feet, shot about 30 rounds and scored one slight leg wound on the bad guy. The round that scored was fired unsighted through a wall. They must have watched this too!
Wanna build my long-range AR. A flat-top upper with 24" free-float fluted bull barrel, preferably. Bushmaster had a nice kit with their 24" varminter barrel, but it's been interminably out of stock. Looking for alternatives.
Amongst those who have built/shot ARs, what are the good barrel manufacturer for long-range accuracy? Wilson Combat? Rock River? Armalite?
I don't have a zillion dollars for this build, so I'm not looking at places like Les Baer. Would love one of theirs, but that's just too much scratch. $525 for the barrel alone... $1200 for an upper assembly. Noveske is also too expensive and they don't make anything longer than 18".
I have a lower that is in the process of being built up, so I'm only looking for a complete upper or a set of parts to assemble an upper. Keep in mind I have a carbine-length AR already. So the long-range rifle is for varmint (coyote) and target purposes only. For optics I'm strongly leaning toward a 50mm Leupold.
Krieger makes some good ar barrels as does Pac-Nor (who makes Noveske), Mcgowan, etc.
http://www.kriegerbarrels.com/DCM__AR_15-c1246-wp3394.htm (http://www.kriegerbarrels.com/DCM__AR_15-c1246-wp3394.htm)
The problem with so many of the AR bull barrels out there is they are so darn heavy. I have a 24" DPMS upper that shoots .375 ctc if I am doing my job, but it never goes anywhere - its just too darn awkward. I've clipped prairie dogs with my 16" AR at over 500, with a 4x Acog, with an M4 profile DPMS tube and carefully assembled handloads. Personal opinion would be to build one with a 22-24 inch barrel, fluted and about .75 in dia instead of the .920 of most available.
Coyotes never do what you expect them to, so a quick handling gun is far better than a big heavy benchrest tackdriver in the field. I have a pile of AR's and big bull barrel bolt guns, but when I hunt coyotes, I take my light, handy CZ 527 - ZAP!
Quote from: duc_fan on November 05, 2013, 10:44:28 AM
Wanna build my long-range AR. A flat-top upper with 24" free-float fluted bull barrel, preferably. Bushmaster had a nice kit with their 24" varminter barrel, but it's been interminably out of stock. Looking for alternatives.
Amongst those who have built/shot ARs, what are the good barrel manufacturer for long-range accuracy? Wilson Combat? Rock River? Armalite?
I don't have a zillion dollars for this build, so I'm not looking at places like Les Baer. Would love one of theirs, but that's just too much scratch. $525 for the barrel alone... $1200 for an upper assembly. Noveske is also too expensive and they don't make anything longer than 18".
I have a lower that is in the process of being built up, so I'm only looking for a complete upper or a set of parts to assemble an upper. Keep in mind I have a carbine-length AR already. So the long-range rifle is for varmint (coyote) and target purposes only. For optics I'm strongly leaning toward a 50mm Leupold.
http://www.model1sales.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=172 (http://www.model1sales.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=172)
This is a kit excluding the lower. There are plenty of good lowers around and prices have come down.
Quote from: WarrenJ on November 05, 2013, 11:15:34 AM
Coyotes never do what you expect them to, so a quick handling gun is far better than a big heavy benchrest tackdriver in the field. I have a pile of AR's and big bull barrel bolt guns, but when I hunt coyotes, I take my light, handy CZ 527 - ZAP!
Yup. No gun is useful if it's a pain to field.
With the right equipment and ammo and assembly, one can make a very accurate 16" barreled AR and losing 6" of barrel weight is priceless..
Quote from: WarrenJ on November 05, 2013, 11:15:34 AM
Krieger makes some good ar barrels as does Pac-Nor (who makes Noveske), Mcgowan, etc.
http://www.kriegerbarrels.com/DCM__AR_15-c1246-wp3394.htm (http://www.kriegerbarrels.com/DCM__AR_15-c1246-wp3394.htm)
The problem with so many of the AR bull barrels out there is they are so darn heavy. I have a 24" DPMS upper that shoots .375 ctc if I am doing my job, but it never goes anywhere - its just too darn awkward. I've clipped prairie dogs with my 16" AR at over 500, with a 4x Acog, with an M4 profile DPMS tube and carefully assembled handloads. Personal opinion would be to build one with a 22-24 inch barrel, fluted and about .75 in dia instead of the .920 of most available.
Coyotes never do what you expect them to, so a quick handling gun is far better than a big heavy benchrest tackdriver in the field. I have a pile of AR's and big bull barrel bolt guns, but when I hunt coyotes, I take my light, handy CZ 527 - ZAP!
What do you have for a 527 Warren?
I have an FS in .223.
So... perhaps waiting for the Bushmaster 24" fluted Varmint barrel would be a good option. It is close to 1" dia at the breech, but steps down at the gas block and is ~.74" at the muzzle. Also fluted. Seems to be one of the lighter 24" barrels around, and gets good reviews. I've just been growing tired of it being incessantly flagged "out of stock". To be fair... lots of other manufacturers seem to be having the same problem. Rock River gets good reviews for product quality, but it sounds like their production delays are interminable.
The Krieger looks nice... but wowsa, that's almost as expensive as the Les Baer.
Granted, for accuracy, the barrel is the most important part of the build. Everything else is just parts.
'tiz: That link seems to go to one that's 1:14" twist, which is way too slow for the heavy bullets I want to run. Looks like they do have a 1:8" option here:
http://www.model1sales.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=264 (http://www.model1sales.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=264)
Biggest caveat is the Shaw barrels get mediocre reviews on Sniper's Hide.
A one in 8 or 9 twist is probably where you want to be. A 1 in 9 will stabilize up to about 75 grain bullets depending on their length (bullet stability vs twist is not a twist to weight ratio, it is a twist to length ratio) A 1 in 8 will stabilize most 80's and maybe a bit longer. When you get to the real big bullets, I seat them long and single load them for long range accuracy. You gain a bit of powder capacity and the typical low drag bullet shape puts the bearing surface of the bullet way back from the nose - so seating them longer reduces the jump of the ogive to the rifling. I've shot 10" groups at a 1000 yards using my 80 grain rebated boattail low drags seated long out of a 1 in 7 twist Colt sporter target with the factory 20" tube. They have just about enough power at that range to break paper.
My 223 527 started out as a full stock rifle and my cousin dropped it into a conventional half stock. Shoots great with lighter bullets. I did swage a test run of 73 grain flat base, blunt nose bullets that were short enough to stabilize in the 1 in 12 twist. Not a long range bullet, but out to 250-300 it hits real hard. I need to squish up some more of them. I am thinking I want a Tikka 223 sporter with the 1-8 twist. Just as handy as the CZ, but I can shoot the longer bullets - would certainly increase the versatility. I sure wish CZ would make their lightweight 527's with at least a 1 in 9 twist. My wife is looking at a Rem 700 VTR in 223 with the 1 in 9 to go with her VTR in 308. She clipped a prairie dog out in Wyoming two weeks ago at 715 with the 308 loaded with 155 Bergers. She doesn't miss much with that rifle.
Reports are that CZ will be switching the entire 527 line in .223 to 1:9.
http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=59269.msg383351#msg383351 (http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=59269.msg383351#msg383351)
Well... looks like I either get to spend a ridiculous amount of money (Les Baer, etc), or wait. Very little in the way of options. Looks like the best bang-for-buck barrels are all sold out.
Sooooo... I need to entertain myself with the .300 BLK build for the time being. Someone made a comment about the case walls being too thick on .223 to use for making .300BLK ammo. Here is one guy making 300BLK from spent .223 without any reported trouble: http://www.theoutdoorstrader.com/threads/67339-How-to-make-300-Black-Out-Brass (http://www.theoutdoorstrader.com/threads/67339-How-to-make-300-Black-Out-Brass)
I think when I am out of work for 2 weeks recovering from surgery, I might try to putter at my reloading bench on this. Maybe start to make some real progress. We will see.
I was at the range one day and there was a guy shooting .300 Blackout with homemade cases from .223.
A slightly larger caliber...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VK-KOKmZPJg#t=46 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VK-KOKmZPJg#t=46)
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Awesome...
300 Blackout vs 223
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/28b076623b4a9548d36ba2ad96b78b99.jpg)
Way back when, I swaged up a bunch of 230-240 grain lead tip, rebated boattail hollowpoints for the 300 Whisper - I'll have to see if I still have some sitting around.
Quote from: Bick on November 06, 2013, 07:15:23 PM
A slightly larger caliber...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VK-KOKmZPJg#t=46 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VK-KOKmZPJg#t=46)
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How did they manage to keep the round in frame the whole time?
Don't they travel faster than the average camera man could track?
Quote from: Monsterlover on November 07, 2013, 05:07:28 AM
How did they manage to keep the round in frame the whole time?
Don't they travel faster than the average camera man could track?
Possibly multiple cameras then strung the videos together?
Quote from: Monsterlover on November 07, 2013, 05:07:28 AM
How did they manage to keep the round in frame the whole time?
Don't they travel faster than the average camera man could track?
I hoped to find more info.
Magic Cameras...
http://specialised-imaging.com/applications-and-results (http://specialised-imaging.com/applications-and-results)
Obviously it was a very high-speed camera, like those used by Specialized Imaging. Two possible technical solutions I can see off the bat for trajectory tracking.
1) Image-tracking software driving the camera - Software is coded to look for the shape of the projectile, then "latches" it to the middle of the frame and commands the servos to move the camera to keep it mid-frame. This video looks a little too steady for this method (there is usually some wander in real-world software-driven image tracking). However, that could have been fixed in post-processing... shoot the field-of-view bigger than what you want in the final product, then post-process the video, cropping and centering the output frames on the projectile.
2) Preprogrammed camera panning, triggered to coincide with event start. This just requires some applied arithmetic. Ballistics is a pretty sound science. It wouldn't be a huge project to predict the flight path of the projectile, then do the geometry/trig to keep the projectile's predicted location in the middle of the frame. A few test shots with carefully prepped powder charges for consistency, and you should have these results. Make no mistake... the maths are fairly straightforward, but the camera, mount, pan system, and trigger system all have to be high-grade stuff in order to follow the commands as precisely as needed.
Or... it's a really accurate-looking fake modeled on a computer.
Got my reloading bench set back up in the garage this past weekend. I'm going in for surgery soon to remove a suspected cancerous spot on my lung. During the two weeks off recovering, I can't be super-active. So... I shall sit at my bench and putter on ammunition. There is some .44 mag brass to reload and further work to do on the .300BLK. I found some .300BLK factory Remington ammo a little while back and bought a couple boxes, so I will start off by using those as the basis for external measurements.
I may also attempt reloading some of my 7.5x55 Swiss. Not much of that... only 10-20 cases to load.
Realising pretty quickly that I am going to need more of those neat plastic boxes for storing reloaded ammo... time for a trip to Cabela's, perhaps?
I gave up on the plastic boxes. Yeah, they look cool all full and whatnot but a plain old ammo can holds a ton of loose rounds and has a rubber seal.
Headed to the range? Throw a few hand fulls in a coffee can and get to it.
Or lug the ammo can. It'll weigh a bit full :)
Hadn't thought about that... but then I need more ammo cans. I have 4 full metal cans, plus a plastic tub that's half-full of boxed .223, plus another plastic tub with a bunch of .45 and 9mm. ;D
Yes, I'm one of those crazies with multiple-thousand-rounds on hand. Granted, it's all split up amongst different calibers. And I'm obviously not to the level of the multiple-10,000-round enthusiasts. ;) There were a few of those in Prescott when I was going to school. Guys at the gun store (J&G Sales) talked about ranchers who'd come in and buy 10k rounds of .223 for varmint control. This was back when .223 could be had for 16 cents a round... then with volume discounts it'd lop a little more off that.
I think for the 7.5Swiss, I'm dealing in such small quantities that I'll stick with the neatly organized boxes so I can keep track of load data. Once I start loading .300BLK in bulk, those will probably end up loose in an ammo can.
Quote from: Monsterlover on November 11, 2013, 05:03:56 PM
I gave up on the plastic boxes. Yeah, they look cool all full and whatnot but a plain old ammo can holds a ton of loose rounds and has a rubber seal.
Headed to the range? Throw a few hand fulls in a coffee can and get to it.
Or lug the ammo can. It'll weigh a bit full :)
.30 cal ammo can = ~30 lbs full of 9mm
.50 bmg ammo can = ~50 lbs full of 9mm
I think it might be shotgun time.
They just caught three guys guilty of breaking into three different houses. One of these is about a block from me.
I need something the wife can pick up and handle too. She's ok with the 1911 and 9mm so I don't think gage matters, just looking for compact-ish and easy to pick up and operate quickly.
Ideas? Favorites you have that fit this category?
can never go wrong with a mossberg 500.. surprised you didnt have a shotgun all ready..
Quote from: cokey on November 13, 2013, 08:54:05 AM
can never go wrong with a mossberg 500.. surprised you didnt have a shotgun all ready..
the only complaint i have about the 500 is that the 590 is a better choice for upgrades.
otherwise they are the same
Quote from: cokey on November 13, 2013, 08:54:05 AM
can never go wrong with a mossberg 500.. surprised you didnt have a shotgun all ready..
I don't have an AR either.
I know, firearm staples. Im working on it :)
I like the 590's. They look menacing.
i was just giving him the bare bones option.. always better choice.. 590a would be my pic
Quote from: Monsterlover on November 13, 2013, 09:34:55 AM
I don't have an AR either.
I know, firearm staples. Im working on it :)
I like the 590's. They look menacing.
at this point, i would not buy an AR without a gas piston setup. I've run them side by side, and the piston setup is so superior, you have to wonder what eugene stoner was smoking.
A gun I like and use when training women is a Rem Youth 870 in 20 ga. Regular wood stock, vent rib, preferably with choke tubes. One of the best ways to get someone handy with their gun is to go learn how to shoot skeet with it. You have to manipulate the gun, load it a bunch, shoot single and double shots, all in a pretty low stress environment. Stations 1 and 7 typically give a good amount of confidence as they are easier, plus its fun and isn't perceived as negatively as taking someone out to learn how to shoot badguys in the house. That can come a bit later after some familiarity. They will have a far more positive attachment to the gun if they have some positive, fun experiences with it as opposed to being just a defensive weapon. When you point out that hitting a clay pigeon whipping out of the high house at 70 mph is far harder than hitting a badguy down the hallway, its a good confidence booster.
The 20 ga 870 is a little slimmer and easier handling than the Mossberg and not quite so rattley, which can be offputting to some women.
^^^^^ What he said! ^^^^^^
I've found that a few rounds of skeet will build a whole bunch of important muscle memory things that are real useful for any shotgun application - in a way that is far less stressful and way more fun. Its a better first step for some than starting from a hard nosed combat/defensive mindset. After a couple rounds of skeet, a new shooter can typically load the gun without looking at it, can manipulate the action very effectively, is starting to develop the 'look down, shoot down" skills that can make a shotgun so effective, and has had fun and has increased their comfort and confidence level a step or two. Thats a good basic foundation to start building from.
What Warren said. Especially about using skeet as practice. Pump-actions are not intuitive (at least not to me or my wife), so shooting doubles is GREAT practice.
For my wife and I, the home defense 12ga is a Benelli SuperNova Tactical. The ergonomics are fantastic compared with most other pump-action shotguns around. We selected it when I had my wife "try on" every available variety of shotgun at a gun show. The Benelli was easiest for her to shoulder and aim, the length-of-pull was good, and we both felt it had better balance than other pumpers. Yes, it was more expensive. Yes barrels and parts are ridiculously expensive ($400 for a factory barrel). But it fit the best and worked the best, and in a defensive arm I put a very high premium on form/fit/function. I take the same approach with sidearms. There are lots of reputable brands and good models to choose from. Once you have selected a subset of reliable, quality options, try them all on. Go with the one that fits best and is most intuitive to use for you. You don't want to be compensating for something that doesn't fit your body or trying to remember how it works in a firefight.
Quote from: cokey on November 13, 2013, 08:54:05 AM
can never go wrong with a mossberg 500.. surprised you didnt have a shotgun all ready..
That's what we bought, it was actually my wife's idea. We've got the pistol and shoulder stock, currently shoulder stock. It'll take some training for my wife, she watched me fire some light bird load and immediately declined based on the observed recoil. Bad part is, I've got some serious buckshot loads that would give considerably more recoil. She's not seen those yet...
JM
If you can find some women sporting clays or skeet shooters that your wife could go out shooting with, it would change the dynamic. If they can see other women doing it and can interact with them, they realize that they can do it too. The woman's name escapes me, but she is a pro shooter for MEC reloaders. She taught some trap and sporting clays clinics at a womens outdoor event where my wife and I were teaching some rifle classes. She could get after the gals that were not getting it done, far more effectively than a guy could in that situation. It was fun watching her work and watching the dynamics of the new shooter gals in the class.
The equipment is important, but the mental, emotional and psychological aspects of shooting, learning and performing competently is amazingly important too. The longer I am involved in shooting, the more I realize that the mental aspects of shooting performance is about 90% of the equation.
If you have any interest, look up Lanny Basham Mental Management. He was a gold medal Olympian rifle shooter in 1976 and has spent most of his life developing mental management tools for athletic and other performance. He's got some pretty good stuff - applicable to motorcycling too. I have used a lot of his techniques in International 10 Meter air rifle and 3P smallbore, but some of the techniques helped me a lot to learn how to ride a motorcycle at 45 years old instead of when I was young and fearless.
If you are in or near the midwest some time, my wife and I could get her going in a day or so of low stress instruction geared to how she needs to learn. Teaching your significant other adds another whole level of difficulty, even if what you are telling them is exactly right. Someone else can tell them the exact same thing and they go "OH - I understand!" Then they look at you and say "Why did'nt you tell me that?!" Resist the urge to strangle at this point - its counterproductive!
Quote from: WarrenJ on November 13, 2013, 05:25:15 PM
<snip> Resist the urge to strangle at this point - its counterproductive!
[laugh] [clap] [laugh] [clap] [laugh] [clap]
I took my wife, from being a non shooter while we were going together in college to being on the cover of Women and Guns magazine, written up in the American Handgunner Annual and Tactical Shooter. Don't think there wasn't some strained moments along the way. Its important to put your ego aside and work with another competent person that your other can trust and respect to help get things across. Its just a reality when dealing with family in a learning situation. You also need to realize that what may work for a man, may just not work physiologically for a woman. We are not the same, thank goodness. Thats why having a wife or girlfriend work with other women shooters can be so beneficial. Always try to find shooting partners that are better than you - it pushes you to learn and improve.
Quote from: the_Journeyman on November 13, 2013, 04:28:48 PM
That's what we bought, it was actually my wife's idea. We've got the pistol and shoulder stock, currently shoulder stock. It'll take some training for my wife, she watched me fire some light bird load and immediately declined based on the observed recoil. Bad part is, I've got some serious buckshot loads that would give considerably more recoil. She's not seen those yet...
JM
18" barrel? Hopefully in better condition than what mine came in.
Collapsible stock?
I have never fired a shotgun. I'm fine with the recoil and would have no problem picking one up at the range/field and having at it.
If I were intending to use one for defense I would want some instruction from someone who knows what's what.
Some things are best learned by doing. I'm not sure surviving an encounter with an intruder should be one of them.
Then there's the whole level of finding someone you trust to teach you the ropes.
http://www.claytargetsonline.com/club.php/1612 (http://www.claytargetsonline.com/club.php/1612)
Is this place close to you? I'd take the wife, stop in and just watch for a bit. Its not tacticool but you can learn a pile about the basics of running a shotgun. Then you can look at some tactical stuff after you have the basics. We all want to run before we can walk, but learning the very basic fundamentals well, puts you head and shoulders above most others - that applies to far more than shooting.
Remember, the more doodads and gadgets you hang on your shotgun, the more you detract from its usability under stress. One of the main assets of a shotgun is its fit and handiness - make sure any modifications you make do not detract from those assets. Keep it simple and smooth. Thats why I recommend a youth size shotgun if women are going to use it. Some women don't need it, if they are a bit taller than average and have long arms, a regular size shogun will fit them fine. Most women find that the stocks are far too long for them and the fore end too far forward, especially with a pump. It puts them all out of position and makes the felt recoil even worse. I cringe every time I see a guy handing a gal an overlong shotgun and watch the gal cantilever her shoulders back and hips forward, head way back or off the stock because the gun will never fit them. When they pull the trigger, they get pounded by the recoil because their body is not in a position to handle it, the gun comes up and the stock pounds them in the cheek and their thumb comes back and hits them in the nose. That is a great way to make sure they never will shoot again.
My wife's favorite shotgun is a Benelli M1 Super 90 20 ga. It has a synthetic stock and a 26" vent rib barrel. It is light, super handy, the recoil isn't bad and it fits her well. The gun comes with a bunch of shims to adjust the stock length and angle to get it to fit correctly. Dont rule out a double barrel. They are way less complex to run and are very intimidating from the front end. Most of the serious trap, skeet and sporting clay shooters use doubles because they can be made to fit so well among other reasons. blah blah blah.....
the moral of the story is if you want your wife to be able to shoot a shotgun, put some serious thought into how you are going to introduce her to it in a manner that will leave her with a positive impression of her first experience.
Good points and yep, that place is close.
How about a reasonably priced o/u?
No first hand experience with them but CZ handles a line of them that look pretty nice. I've handled them but not shot them. They don't look bad for the dollar. They are made by Huglu in Turkey.
My wife is thinking about parting with her Remington Peerless in 12 ga. It has short skeet barrels with choke tubs and is cut down for a woman.
I am real partial to the Berettas. I have a 686 Silver Pigeon in 28 ga that I just love.
I'd head down to that skeet club and see what they are running. If you talk nice, I would not doubt you two could get some instruction and the opportunity to shoot some different stuff.
Quote from: Bick on November 13, 2013, 07:33:20 PM
18" barrel? Hopefully in better condition than what mine came in.
Collapsible stock?
Not collapsing, but switches with a single bolt. Condition was fine, it seems to shoot fairly straight. We've not done any formal training with it because all we have is a very crowded public range and pistol ranges locally. There is only one private club locally and it's really expensive, so we're not members.
JM
Quote from: WarrenJ on November 14, 2013, 06:47:51 AM
<snip>
My wife's favorite shotgun is a Benelli M1 Super 90 20 ga.
</snip>
[drool]
Wish I had the scratch for one of those.
Does the semi-auto mechanism reduce felt recoil at all? I'm think like how an AR has a lot less felt recoil than a .223 bolt-action.
I would *love* to find a woman-focused home and self-defense course. Your normal courses are generally run by the hardass types... not that there's anything wrong with that, and I like that sort of training for myself. It's just that sort of environment is not where my wife learns best. She needs to be built up to a point where she can handle the seriousness and pressure.
I think we did some horsetrading for that benelli so we weren't into it that bad.
Benelli always claims that their system reduces recoil, but I think they are a little poundy. Shooting sporting 20 ga loads out of it for skeet and sporting clays isn't bad but 3" loads pop a bit. My wife always shot Rem 1100's for the combat stuff. They are pretty soft shooting. I really like the simplicity and robust construction of the Super 90's. When we were shooting 2nd Chance and 3 gun stuff, I always kept 3 1100's set up for her because they broke so often. I'd be behind the line at 2nd Chance with the back up guns, cases of oo Buck, carb cleaner, CLP and lots of spare parts. I usually ran Win 1300 pumps.
Looking for a moderately priced DA/SA. Opinions?
Quote from: duccarlos on November 14, 2013, 02:32:30 PM
Looking for a moderately priced DA/SA. Opinions?
Pistol?
CZ 75 of any flavor
Quote from: WarrenJ on November 14, 2013, 01:36:33 PM
I think we did some horsetrading for that benelli so we weren't into it that bad.
Benelli always claims that their system reduces recoil, but I think they are a little poundy. Shooting sporting 20 ga loads out of it for skeet and sporting clays isn't bad but 3" loads pop a bit. My wife always shot Rem 1100's for the combat stuff. They are pretty soft shooting. I really like the simplicity and robust construction of the Super 90's. When we were shooting 2nd Chance and 3 gun stuff, I always kept 3 1100's set up for her because they broke so often. I'd be behind the line at 2nd Chance with the back up guns, cases of oo Buck, carb cleaner, CLP and lots of spare parts. I usually ran Win 1300 pumps.
The local fish and game has a monthly event with the Second Amendment Sisters. It should be what she is looking for. And absolutely no men!
http://www.2asisters.org/ (http://www.2asisters.org/)
Quote from: ducpainter on November 14, 2013, 02:36:37 PM
Pistol?
CZ 75 of any flavor
I'll probably go to the range and try as many as I can. From my reading the biggest concern with DA/SA's is the trigger pull.
Anyone tried the P-01?
Quote from: duccarlos on November 14, 2013, 03:37:03 PM
I'll probably go to the range and try as many as I can. From my reading the biggest concern with DA/SA's is the trigger pull.
Anyone tried the P-01?
ducvet has one.
There are drop in parts that will make a CZ's stock trigger rival a custom 1911.
Don't know if you can get them in Chile.
Quote from: ducpainter on November 14, 2013, 04:03:43 PM
ducvet has one.
There are drop in parts that will make a CZ's stock trigger rival a custom 1911.
Don't know if you can get them in Chile.
No longer in Chile ;D
Just about any gunsmith can do a proper trigger job though.
Quote from: duccarlos on November 14, 2013, 04:06:25 PM
No longer in Chile ;D
Just about any gunsmith can do a proper trigger job though.
That isn't exactly true unless they understand CZ's.
You can do it yourself with these parts...
so simple even a painter can do it.
Quote from: duccarlos on November 14, 2013, 03:37:03 PM
Anyone tried the P-01?
I've got its slightly larger brother, the SP-01. It's a great shooting pistol and feels like no other in the hand. One thing though, P-01s are only available from the factory as a decocking model (I believe), which prohibits getting a REALLY nice trigger done on it. Angus (at CZCustoms) started offering "tuned" P-01s for a while, and think he even offered one with a safety instead of the decocker lever. That's what I'd go for.
Ok, I stand (partially) corrected. Here's what you want:
http://czcustom.com/czcompactlblkman.aspx (http://czcustom.com/czcompactlblkman.aspx)
At the risk of heresy, take a look at the Turkish copy of the CZ -- being sold under the Tristar name.
They are nearly identical, use frame safeties, and are nearly identical. Did I say they are nearly identical? What's different? The finish is better, the slide looks nicer, and they come in a full steel or a lightweight alloy frame version. They use CZ factory magazines. Did I say they are nearly identical?
they are amazing, esp for the price.
I CCW a gen 3 S&W model 410 that is DA/SA. Not the prettiest, lightest, best of the bunch but it does the trick. Trigger isn't THAT bad, it isn't THAT heavy, and the price is right. But it is the MOST reliable handgun I have owned (be it by design or luck) in that I have not had one misfire, FTF, FTE, or anything and I have fired mainly reloads with it (~3000 I would guess). It is bone stock too, with the plastic guide rod thing and everything.
Quote from: ducatiz on November 14, 2013, 05:42:01 PM
At the risk of heresy, take a look at the Turkish copy of the CZ -- being sold under the Tristar name.
They are nearly identical, use frame safeties, and are nearly identical. Did I say they are nearly identical? What's different? The finish is better, the slide looks nicer, and they come in a full steel or a lightweight alloy frame version. They use CZ factory magazines. Did I say they are nearly identical?
they are amazing, esp for the price.
The Canik pistols are a bargain.
The CZ warranty is too. ;)
I had the chance to shoot one of the SP-01's out of Hobdells custom shop. It was probably the most accurate, smoothest shooting 9mm I have ever shot. The gun is a bit big to stick in your pants, but damn! it shoots! I have a regular 75-B that is a great shooter but that SP-01 would shoot rings around it. If concealment is not a requirement, that SP-01 is an awesome pistol.
Let me modify that a bit - I don't know if it is more accurate than the 75-B off the bags, but it was far easier to shoot accurately - better ergos, sights, trigger etc.
There's a lot you can do with the trigger of the 75 models both with and without a FPB.
Ran across an interesting over/under long gun yesterday. I've got a neighbor that always seems to find unusual guns. He got one in a trade that is a .357 Magnum rifle on the top, 20GA shotgun on the bottom. Very unusual.
JM
After recently taking an NRA shotgun safety course, I think I want to start shooting more often.
I'm thinking I'd like to do sporting clays, some skeet and also take some home defense courses, preferably with the same gun.
So I'm looking to purchase my first shotgun and I have some questions for the enthusiastic masses out here.
My questions are:
What gauge should I be looking at and should I get pump or semi-auto?
Once I get these questions answered in my head then I can do some shopping around and I'll solicit some opinions on my gun choices .
Thanks,
jimi
Unless you have major issues with recoil, the 12 ga gives you the most versatility and is the most common. You can get light recoil ammo for skeet and clays up to big busters for defense and hunting deer and other large game. I've shot pumps my whole life and I like them a lot. Some semi-autos can have issues with certain light loads as far as cycling the action goes. Some semi-autos can be a bit more fragile. I've broke a pile of 1100's, but Benelli Super 90's are real tough. I have no problem shooting doubles on Sporting Clays or Skeet with a pump, but I've shot hundreds of thousands of rounds through them. Some of the new generations of semi-autos, like the Win SIII and the new Remington (cant remember the name) work with a wide variety of loads and are very durable - also sort of spendy.
The 870s are very popular and the actual Wingmasters are very nice guns, better wood, finish and fit than the less expensive 870 Express. I am in the minority, but I love the Winchester 1300 shotguns. I've killed everything from doves to deer with them, ran numerous 25 straights in trap, shot skeet, sporting clays and won a pile of combat shotgun and 3 gun matches using them. Winchester has discontinued them and introduced a new pump but I don't have any experience with it. You can pick up used 1300's for $200 - $300. I bought my first 1300 new in the mid-70's and its still getting used. I think I have a half dozen or so of them.
I am not a fan of the Mossbergs. They work and they are inexpensive, but they are a bit crude. If you look around, you can pick up a good used gun of better quality than a new Mossberg. Lots of people will probably disagree with me on that, but I've put several thousand rounds through various Mossbergs and have worked on them as well as a wide variety of other guns, so I am basing it off some pretty extensive personal experience. If price is a driving factor, the Mossbergs will work.
The Rem 11-87, some of their new semi autos and the Win SIII look real nice. My brother has an 11-87 he has shot a pile of sporting clays, skeet, deer and grouse with it He loves it.
There are lots of good options out there, it just matters what fits you, your budget and what you want to accomplish. Have Fun!
I am a scattergun fanatic. Taught Tactical Shotgun courses for 11 years... don't bring your 9mm to my shotgun fight. [laugh] [laugh] What Warren said is A-OK. All of it. [thumbsup] Although I do like M'bergs probably more than him. Big deal. Love 870s and Benelli Super 90s. Have too many to count. Not a bad problem to have. ;D
I don't know why I read this thread. I have an 870 pump 12 gauge but now I want a 20 gauge semi!
you guys are the worst!
Quote from: The Architect on November 15, 2013, 01:20:18 PM
I don't know why I read this thread. I have an 870 pump 12 gauge but now I want a 20 gauge semi!
you guys are the worst!
My work here is done!
There is very little you can't do with a 870 12 ga.
Quote from: The Architect on November 15, 2013, 01:20:18 PM
you guys are the worst!
Thank you for noticing! ;D [evil] [drink] It's a little known secret that Warren and I work for several gun manufacturers. We have you all right where we want you.[cheeky]
Quote from: fastwin on November 15, 2013, 04:03:35 PM
Thank you for noticing! ;D [evil] [drink] It's a little known secret that Warren and I work for several gun manufacturers. We have you all right where we want you.[cheeky]
I'll be expecting a 'sample' shortly... ;D
Gun's in the mail. If it's not there by next Friday call Warren. ;)
Tactical shotgun tip #1,295
I'm a fan of weapon mounted lights on long guns. AR platforms and shotguns. I have Surefire and Streamlight products using either quad rail AR forends or assorted scattergun mounts. I really like the Streamlight TLR-1 rail mount lights. [thumbsup] I have a couple of newer Glocks with rail mounts but use hand held flashlight techniques with my other handguns.
I'm also a fan of having a 2 spare CR123A batteries duct taped onto the long guns some where. Usually have the batteries butt to butt (the flat negative ends) with a wrap of duct tape holding them together with more tape holding the pair sometimes on the weak side of the stock.
Some of my self defense shotguns are fitted with the SpeedFeed stocks that have built in, recessed shell holders. They hold two spare 2.75" shells on each side of the stock. Simple, clean with nothing sticking out and the shells are held in place by spring pressure. What I discovered was two CR123A batteries taped together as described above are just about the exact same length as a standard 2.75" shotshell or slug. So a cool way to carry your spare light batteries on a SpeedFeed equipped scattergun is just pull out one of the spare shells in the stock and push in the taped together batteries in it's place. I slap a piece of duct tape over the area where the batteries are held just to make sure they don't bounce out under recoil. Zero problems as of yet. Again... simple, clean with nothing sticking out.
last night I stop by a local gun shop. Fortunately they had no 20 gauge semi shotguns. I was a bit relieved. :-\
Maybe next week. ;D
If you already have a 12 ga pump, why not get something a bit more different that just a semi auto 20.
http://www.franchiusa.com/franchi-48al-shotgun/# (http://www.franchiusa.com/franchi-48al-shotgun/#)
28 gauge is like a 12 that doesn't kick. Great on grouse, doves, skeet, sporting clays. Light, elegant, slim and very quick. Plus - its ITALIAN - goes with the motorcycle...
or a Beretta Silver Pigeon 28 ga Over Under or a Beretta Side by Each 28 ga if you have deep pockets.
http://www.berettausa.com/shop-by-department/firearms/premium-shotguns/side-by-sides/?F_PropertyId=7&F_LookupId=127 (http://www.berettausa.com/shop-by-department/firearms/premium-shotguns/side-by-sides/?F_PropertyId=7&F_LookupId=127)
28 is getting a lot more popular - they even have it at Walmart.
You understand the pride of ownership of your fine Italian Motorcycle - your personal weaponry certainly deserves no less.
You are obviously a man of discernment who appreciates fine design. The mere workaday guns of the masses will certainly not do...
Nahhh. Pick up Stoeger 18" Coach Gun in 12. GITTERDUN
Quote from: ducatiz on November 17, 2013, 07:41:19 AM
Nahhh. Pick up Stoeger 18" Coach Gun in 12. GITTERDUN
Nice iron. What's the difference between ejector and extractor?
Quote from: WarrenJ on November 16, 2013, 08:56:56 PM
If you already have a 12 ga pump, why not get something a bit more different that just a semi auto 20.
http://www.franchiusa.com/franchi-48al-shotgun/# (http://www.franchiusa.com/franchi-48al-shotgun/#)
28 gauge is like a 12 that doesn't kick. Great on grouse, doves, skeet, sporting clays. Light, elegant, slim and very quick. Plus - its ITALIAN - goes with the motorcycle...
or a Beretta Silver Pigeon 28 ga Over Under or a Beretta Side by Each 28 ga if you have deep pockets.
http://www.berettausa.com/shop-by-department/firearms/premium-shotguns/side-by-sides/?F_PropertyId=7&F_LookupId=127 (http://www.berettausa.com/shop-by-department/firearms/premium-shotguns/side-by-sides/?F_PropertyId=7&F_LookupId=127)
28 is getting a lot more popular - they even have it at Walmart.
You understand the pride of ownership of your fine Italian Motorcycle - your personal weaponry certainly deserves no less.
You are obviously a man of discernment who appreciates fine design. The mere workaday guns of the masses will certainly not do...
My only grumble about 28g and .410 shotguns is the shell cost. When my Dad passed away I got his beautifull little .410 Citori that he never really shot. Looked new out of the box. Kept it as a back up on a couple of dove hunts for fun but it took a while to man up and pay for the boxes of shells.
My friend and his son shoot 28g (Ruger Red Labels I think?) and they are always pregnant doging about the expensive shells compared to a 20 or 12.
An extractor lifts the empty case partway out of the chamber (about 1/4 to 3/8") enough to grab the fired cases and pull them out of the chamber. Ejectors fling the empty cases out of the gun when it is opened.
The prices of 28 ga shells has come down a bit lately, especially with the introduction of some less expensive European shells. Shotshell reloading is not as common in Europe and shotshell prices are less. I reload them so they are cheaper to shoot than 12 ga as I use less shot and powder.
I tend to be an over/under wing shooter and I have shot my friend's 28g Red Label on a dove hunt. Nice shooter for sure. But not enough to make me bite the bullet (no pun intended :P) and get one. Have plenty of 20 and 12gs and the one .410 Citori. I asked him once why he went the 28g route and all he said was why not. ??? Still, nice wing shooting shotgun round all said and done.
Just got an email.....Grizzly Tools started a mail order company for the good stuff.
Bullets.com
I plan on thoroughly checking it out when I have a spare 5 minutes
Stopped at the gun shop yesterday to check out shotguns.
Looked at a NEF Pardner pump action 12 gage (seems to be an overseas 870 clone) and a Mossberg maverick o/u break action 12.
I liked them both!
$239 for the pump. The Mossberg was $500 I think. Which is too bad because I loved how short that one was. 18-1/2 barrels.
I love guns.
The Pardner is a Chinese Rem 870 clone.
Speaking of Chinese scattergun clones, check out a Savage/Stevens 350. Very nice all steel upgraded clone of the classic Ithaca 37 bottom feed/eject shotgun. There is a field version and a couple of 18.5" barrel self defense style guns. One of them has a basic front bead sight while the other one has some nice ghost ring sights with a green fiber optic front sight that has some sturdy protective steel ears around it. The rear adjustable ghost ring is a steel knock-off of a LPA sight. Again, an all steel gun with a decent synthetic stock set and it has two slide action bars versus the Ithaca's single bar. Check it out... cheap too. [thumbsup]
The Pardner is made by Hawk Industries in China, which is AKA Norinco. Norinco has been making guns for ages -- pretty much all the Chinese SKS and AKs that came into the US were made by Norinco.
Those are a few notches above the "Brolin" shotguns made by Jing An (not related to Norinco).. The Jing An factory guns were very rough finished, but all the receivers are hammer forged and are excellent BUT the moving parts are not well finished and I've seen some of the trigger pins etc give out. Seems someone could have bought them and "Americanized" them with uprated parts.
That's exactly what Walt Kuleck was doing with the Polytech M14 receivers -- the Poly M14s are hammer forged. He'd strip them and put USGI parts in them, and finish them. The Poly M14 receivers are as good or better than the originals and much more durable than the current type which are investment cast.
Spent a few minutes at that Bullets.com website - good amount of high quality stuff and the prices do not seem to be out of line. Interesting!
Seems the owner of Grizzly is a shooting enthusiast. Might have to give that Grizzly spindle sander a second look.
http://gunssavelives.net/gear/taccon-set-to-release-bump-fire-style-drop-in-trigger-for-ar-15-that-gets-close-to-legal-full-auto/ (http://gunssavelives.net/gear/taccon-set-to-release-bump-fire-style-drop-in-trigger-for-ar-15-that-gets-close-to-legal-full-auto/)
discuss and most importantly how can we get on the list "early?"
My Grizzly knife belt grinder has been a workhorse - problem free for nearly a decade. Not fancy, but very effective.
I've shot the bump stocks - they actually work pretty good for wasting lots of ammo in a hurry. Fun - as long as someone
else is funding the ammo bill. Only hits count!
I always hit.......something ;D
They are fun and they do simulate a damn fast cyclic rate. I like that you can lock the stock out. I remember one year at 2nd Chance, a guy had a Soviet PPSH subgun. The upper and lower were held together with a zip tie. They have a horizontally mounted 71 round drum mag on the top of the action. I do believe the barrel was completely shot out. When you shot it, it looked like someone threw an icecream bucket worth of 7.65 Tokarev ammo in the air at one time. There would be dirt kicking up about halfway to the berm, all across the berm and to the top of the berm. It would dump that mag in a very few seconds. Pretty cool looking but effective? Not so much.
Depends on what "effect" you're going for, Comrade!
Hitting what you are "aiming" at? Nyet.
Getting them to keep their head down so you can retreat and wait for winter?
DA! ;D
A late friend of mine was a Korean Conflict vet. During the acquisition of his 2nd Purple Heart, a Chinese gentleman was shooting at him with a PPSH. Dean said, "he was shooting and shooting at me, bullets all around me and I thought "Wow" he's going to run out of ammo before he kills me!"" but the guy did finally hit him and the last thing Dean remembered was seeing his last grenade that he was in the process of throwing roll out of his hand onto the ground. The next time he woke up, he was in Tokyo - for the next 13 months. So, I guess the lesson is that if you are using a PPSH, just be patient, the law of averages will eventually catch up.
Quote from: WarrenJ on November 23, 2013, 10:51:58 AM
A late friend of mine was a Korean Conflict vet. During the acquisition of his 2nd Purple Heart, a Chinese gentleman was shooting at him with a PPSH. Dean said, "he was shooting and shooting at me, bullets all around me and I thought "Wow" he's going to run out of ammo before he kills me!"" but the guy did finally hit him and the last thing Dean remembered was seeing his last grenade that he was in the process of throwing roll out of his hand onto the ground. The next time he woke up, he was in Tokyo - for the next 13 months. So, I guess the lesson is that if you are using a PPSH, just be patient, the law of averages will eventually catch up.
PPSH = 7.62 tokarev. Not a fun round to catch.
Chinese loved the 70 round drum too
Finally took a trip to the dark side yesterday. I decided I needed to add a Glock to my collection so I bought myself Gen4 G17. Unfortunately, I won't get to shoot it until I get back from my trip home this coming week.
A coworker has a G17. I really like it. It shoots great, for a piece of Tupperware. ;D
Wish my name was Gaston Glock Jr. ;D [thumbsup] [bacon] For "tupperware guns" they work great and are reasonably priced. I've got Les Baers, custom Novaks, Wilson Combat 1911s, etc. but I shoot my Glocks and assorted .22s as much or more than any "nice" pistol I own. My G guns always work and have never broken or failed. What more could you ask for? ;)
Speaking of Gaston Glock, did you know that in 1999 a former employee hired a hitman to kill Glock Sr. to somehow cover the fact that he'd stolen millions of dollars from the company? The goon tried to bludgeon Glock to death but he fought the attacker off. Both the goon and the now ex-employee got some stiff prison time. Would have been sweet justice if Glock had shot the goon with one of his own guns! Also would have made for an awesome ad campaign!!! [clap] [popcorn] [evil]
might as well have a glock around.. so many people have them its easier to find parts for it. especially is shtf, it'll be easier to acquire mags and parts if needed..
Quote from: cokey on November 25, 2013, 09:32:50 AM
might as well have a glock around.. so many people have them its easier to find parts for it. especially is shtf, it'll be easier to acquire mags and parts if needed..
that's why i have a flintlock. lots of rocks lying around
If the shtf, and that's a big if, I want a 22 single shot rifle and an obscene amount of ammo.
You can have the pistols.
The purpose of a handgun is to get you to your long guns.
Quote from: WarrenJ on November 25, 2013, 09:51:59 AM
The purpose of a handgun is to get you to your long guns.
Perfect...I'll keep the one's I have. ;)
Quote from: WarrenJ on November 25, 2013, 09:51:59 AM
The purpose of a handgun is to get you to your long guns.
The purpose of a long gun is to get you to your 155mm M114
ha.. one day.. shtf rifle i want is a lever or bolt action.. less parts to fail.. 30-06 45-70 30-30 308 2 out of the 4..
DP... still have that old long gun (flintlock??) that you posted pics of a while back? Ever get the history/story on it? [popcorn]
Maybe you posted about it at the time but I've slept since then and have had a couple of cocktails. ;D
Handguns are great and all but a well handled long gun increases your capacity by an order of magnitude.
Quote from: cokey on November 25, 2013, 10:24:28 AM
ha.. one day.. shtf rifle i want is a lever or bolt action.. less parts to fail.. 30-06 45-70 30-30 308 2 out of the 4..
Do the cowboy thing and get a lever action in a pistol caliber... like a Henry in .357mag. You can shoot the magnums and .38spl. Plus you would have an excuse to buy a nice .357 wheelgun. Win-win. Or go DP's route and get the lever gun in .22LR. You could shoot LR, Longs and Shorts. Same for a .22LR revolver. ;)
oh and didnt mention .22 cause well, if you dont have one then you're doing it wrong..
Quote from: WarrenJ on November 25, 2013, 10:27:06 AM
Handguns are great and all but a well handled long gun increases your capacity by an order of magnitude.
^ what he said. [beer]
Quote from: fastwin on November 25, 2013, 10:31:23 AM
Do the cowboy thing and get a lever action in a pistol caliber... like a Henry in .357mag.
Got one. ;D
Neato gun too.
For SHTF, a tripod mounted punt gun would my weapon of choice. It could take down 20 zombies at once [laugh]
Quote from: fastwin on November 25, 2013, 10:26:22 AM
DP... still have that old long gun (flintlock??) that you posted pics of a while back? Ever get the history/story on it? [popcorn]
Maybe you posted about it at the time but I've slept since then and have had a couple of cocktails. ;D
I do...and I did.
It turns out it is indeed authentic, and is of Austrian/Germanic manufacture.
Pretty much what I though it was.
I think the posts are in the gun picture thread.
edit...
I know you're kind of old and feeble. :-*
So here's the result... http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=25903.msg1073676#msg1073676 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=25903.msg1073676#msg1073676)
Quote from: ducpainter on November 25, 2013, 11:28:19 AM
I know you're kind of old and feeble. :-*
^ again, what he said. [laugh] Thanks for the link. [thumbsup]
Quote from: Speedbag on November 25, 2013, 10:47:39 AM
Got one. ;D
Neato gun too.
Did the same years ago with Winchester 94s when they were more readily available... and affordable. One in .22LR and the other in .45 Colt to pair along with my 3rd gen SAA. Made sense 100+ years ago and still does.
Was carrying my Marlin 45-70 lever gun Saturday deer hunting. Poor coyote managed to sneak around another hunter in a blind off the edge of my property. He was looking back at the blind with a smug expression, but he didn't realize he was 20 yards away from me. Another coyote trooper hat in progress. No deer yet. Saw a small doe and a couple fauns and a little spike buck this morning, but nothing I wanted to shoot. Going to head out in about a half hour and sit till dark - see what comes out. Long bombing on open fields so its 300 Win time.
Jesus. Can't imagine there'd be much left of that coyote after hitting it with that buffalo gun at 20 yds.
When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail!
Actually, I was shooting a 500 grain flat nose, hard cast bullet. That poor little canine didn't have enough resistance to make that big bullet even take notice. Very little damage. Where you really get lots of damage is with high velocity, expanding bullets. This one is just loping along at about 1700 fps. It'll still shoot lengthwise through a deer. Never underestimate the power of big, slow bullets.
Quote from: WarrenJ on November 25, 2013, 03:05:40 PM
It'll still shoot lengthwise through a deer.
Ah, the famous Texas heart shot... from ass to chest. ;) [evil] [popcorn]
My step son and his Dad will be hunting at my east TX place this Thanksgiving weekend. We've got two feeders up and two nice tree stands 60-70 yards away. No deer for me. What I'm after are the pesky feral hogs that keep rooting up my yard and fields. They are really tearing up my sister & brother in law's farm 40 minutes away. If I come up empty handed at my place I'll let the deer hunters have it and head to my sister's for piggies. A TX heart shot on a big hog would make my holiday weekend. [evil] [bacon]
I was out on a couple leases down by Campbellton, South of San Antonio with a guy we did some oil and gas stuff with. They had two large deer operations down there. He'd put me out somewhere where he thought I could get pigs and he went and sat where he hoped to get pictures of his high dollar deer. I saw his high dollar deer and he saw the pigs. I did manage to spank a javalina though. Did some culling on a couple other leases down there. Sorta like shooting holsteins in the barnyard. I really would like to get after those hogs. There were some feral hogs loose in SW Wisconsin a few years ago and my wife and I spent a couple days unsuccessfully trying to make contact. You probably don't need snowshoes to chase them down there though. I knew a guy in Florida that used to run them with dogs and hand catch the smaller ones to take home and feed out.
Short work week for me. This AM I went to pick up my friend for work and a nice buck has been feeding at his apple tree and... 6-point, 11" spread and est. 140lbs. Very nice for around here.
He had just shot it (30-30 lever w/scope) and I helped drag, gut and hang him.
Oh and it was his first! [beer]
Oh and it was his first! [beer]
Awesome! I just got back in the house. Saw one small doe at the back end of the cornfield - about the size of the coyote I shot Saturday. Pretty slim deer herd the last few years here. Didn't see anything last night or this morning. Had about a 25 mph wind tonight and temps in the low 20's - brisk out there.
Quote from: WarrenJ on November 25, 2013, 03:05:40 PM
When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail!
Actually, I was shooting a 500 grain flat nose, hard cast bullet. That poor little canine didn't have enough resistance to make that big bullet even take notice. Very little damage. Where you really get lots of damage is with high velocity, expanding bullets. This one is just loping along at about 1700 fps. It'll still shoot lengthwise through a deer. Never underestimate the power of big, slow bullets.
Warren, do you ever shoot the 300 grain, jhp's? I am not happy with their performance out of my 1895g. Last three deer I shot had an exit hole the same size as the entrance.
Got any 300 grain "hot" load recipes for the .45/70?
I am real partial to IMR 4198 in the Marlins. http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp (http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp)
I have tried other powders and have gotten good velocities but not near the accuracy. A friend of mine with similar rifles has had similar results.
My favorite bullets for deer in the 45-70 are the lead paper patch bullets I swage, or heavy,flat nose cast bullets.
If you are using factory 300 grain hollowpoints, they are typically loaded down pretty far to not blow up older Trapdoor Springfields and other weaker guns. (just about all factory ammo is downloaded to protect the old guns)
With my 350 paper patch, I run 44 grains of IMR-4198. Its not max, but is plenty darn powerful. We are running 40 grains with the 495 grain flatnose cast bullets. It gives 1700 fps out of the guide gun and kills on both ends.
I swage a big round nose 480 grain bullet that I paper patch for the 577-450 Martini Henry, but I haven't tried it in the Marlin yet. That will probably be my next 45-70 reloading project.
I've heard good things about the 325 grain Leverlution ammo from Hornady on deer.
(http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz306/LooseCannon_10/45%20stuff/PB270540_zps2585fc4b.jpg)
From Left to Right:
495 grain NEI 458 Cast Bullet with gas check
300 Grain Barnes 45-70 Copper Hollowpoint Expanded
350 Grain Paper Patch bullet recovered from 11 Point buck
480 Grain swaged lead bullet before paper patching - for Martini Henry
45-70 loaded with 350 grain paper patch bullet
350 grain swaged paper patch hollow point bullet
400 grain swaged paper patch bullet
30 caliber swaged 205 grain flatbase lowdrag bullet
My problem; well one of them, is that I bought 25 boxes of the Winchester when Galyans closed it out at $9.99/box. I'm about 1/2 way through and have a good amount of once fired. .45/70 brass waiting to reload.
I've heard the Hornady bullets open up nicely.
Thanks for the info.
At the current price of winchester 45-70 brass, you did good! The Hornady 350 grain bullet has a good reputation on deer also - its a bit fragile for larger game. Be aware, once you run your loads up to full Marlin pressures, recoil is going to become more of a factor. Our loads with the 495's are about 85% of a 458 Win Mag in a 7 lb rifle. They hit hard on both ends.
Quote from: WarrenJ on November 27, 2013, 07:56:40 AM
At the current price of winchester 45-70 brass, you did good! The Hornady 350 grain bullet has a good reputation on deer also - its a bit fragile for larger game. Be aware, once you run your loads up to full Marlin pressures, recoil is going to become more of a factor. Our loads with the 495's are about 85% of a 458 Win Mag in a 7 lb rifle. They hit hard on both ends.
Good to know. My barrel is ported so hopefully that will help offset the thump.
45/70 is for wimps
.700 T-Rex is for real men.
I'd feel good with either when this sucker came up next to me on stand last Saturday. This is about a minute of a 7 minute video.
I was about 15' up, carrying a Marlin 1895G. Bear season opened on Monday......of course.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D28mBrS-2q8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D28mBrS-2q8)
Great video - they are neat animals. If I could only hunt one thing for the rest of my life, it would be bears. I've only shot one, but it was well earned and very memorable. It is a great memory because it was one of the last hunts with my best friend before he died at 42 of pneumonia. I'm really glad we got to share that.
Its hard to think of a better gun for bears in those conditions than a handy 45-70 lever gun. I shot mine with a 35 Whelen before I had the 45-70's. The Whelen is a great game caliber also - (30-06 necked up to 35 cal.)
This is the second bear I've seen in these woods. The previous sighting occurred a week before bear season opened.
Maybe next sighting will occur when I'm actually allowed to take one!
The deal I have found out about bear meat is that you need to remove every last speck of fat from it. When I shot mine, I deboned most of it and removed all the fat and it was great meat. We made the scraps and fatty parts into burger and it was terrible. (at least to my taste - and I'm not a picky eater)
The deboned and defatted steaks were very good eats.
Black Friday rocks when you couple your local gun shop and online shopping. Picked up two Spikes Tactical stripped lowers for $60 each. Two Full lower build kits (magpul stocks, buffers, lpk) from Palmetto state for $100 each. Also, picked out a lightweight BCM upper to build my wife her first rifle. Best deals I've seen in quite a while.
Sounds like Christmas came early!
I've still got to figure out what to do with the two stripped lowers. We'll have two 556 carbines after I hold the one for my wife, so I think I need to mix it up a bit. I've thought about doing two different 6.5 Grendal rifles. One, a lightweight deer rifle, and the other a long range build. That'd save me having to only set up to load one more caliber, and round out my capabilities nicely.
Of course I've also thought about doing a Beo or 458... Both sound like they'd be fun, but rather useless.
Of course a match rifle could be fun as well. Too many choices.
I've been toying with the idea of getting a 450 bushmaster upper - I swage jacketed .452 bullets so I could make some interesting stuff to launch out of it.
So are primers available again? Been a while since I looked.
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 08, 2013, 08:18:47 AM
So are primers available again? Been a while since I looked.
Primers are on the shelves again.
Powder is still spotty though :(
want... just need millions fun ammo...
http://youtu.be/33teK7L4DM4 (http://youtu.be/33teK7L4DM4)
^ need one mounted on the front of my truck... what traffic jam?
lol.. would take out the 1000 zombie hord they ran into when driving few episodes back..
Now that would have made for some good TV. [laugh]
Question: Need a little help. Anyone know of a good Kydex holster maker that builds for Colt 4" King Cobras and S&W 4" 586/686 .357 wheelguns. Can't find shit in my lame internet searches. It's nothing but autos... wheelguns are the forgotten, red-headed step child. Am I looking for the Holy Grail, Lost City of Atlantis, Bigfoot, etc. ???
Comp Tac lists holsters for the L Frame Smiths but nothing for the King Cobra. I have about a half dozen Comp Tac holsters, they seem pretty decent. Even have one for a 5" N-Frame. I think they are even in Texas.
Most of the "smaller" Jude's makers will custom form one for you. Check out contact concealment and see if they can hook you up.
I really like Comp Tac's paddle holsters. They are pretty easy to take on and off and are very secure. They are all day comfortable. Not quite as concealable as inside the pants holsters, but convenient, relatively secure (not law enforcement secure) and as fast as a competition IPSC rig. I'm about a half second faster with it than my Ted Blocker LFI rig according to the timer.
Thanks guys for the PMs and posts. I'll begin my search for the Loch Ness monster of kydex holsters. Heck, some folks haven't even heard of a King Cobra! [roll]
Thanks again. If all else fails I'll just replace my old leather holsters with new ones.
fastwin
If you find one, post it. I also have KC. Lovely oddball.
Quote from: ducatiz on December 09, 2013, 09:16:19 AM
If you find one, post it. I also have KC. Lovely oddball.
Love my Smiths and Pythons but the KC does rock. Talk about a tough, over-built revolver! Had the action smoothed up and it's slick like butter. Wish I had taken the time to have the cylinder chamfer cut for easier loading. Most of my other favorite wheelguns have it and it does make a nice difference on reloads.
If I ever stumble across another nice used stainless 4" KC at a gun show I'll snatch it up. [thumbsup]
I'll post up or PM if I find a good outside waistband, strong side Kydex for the KC.
Anyone have a good handle on values for a 1955 Winchester 1894 in 30-30? Excellent + condition. Round barrel profile, original everything. Functions as new.
My uncle has one that's soaked in oil for the last 30 years, he's probably put 50 rounds thru it and bought it new in 1957.
Whoa!! Holy shit... I'll give you $25.00 for it sight unseen! [laugh]
Man that's a keeper and then some. He actually wants to get rid of it? Why not hand it down to his favorite nephew? ;) [thumbsup]
I have no idea what that gem is worth. I inherited my late father's pre-'64 model 94 30-30 but like most of his guns I think they lived most of their lives bouncing around the bed of his pick up at the ranch. [bang] ... in the rain and dust. :P
Need some ideas. Need another companion to the three handguns I currently have. I've got a .22lr NAA mini revolver, Ruger GP series in .357 and a Ruger 9mm. What would be a good caliber to add? I've toyed with a 1911, but can't get past their lower mag capacity compared to some other semi autos.
JM
But 1911's are 8)
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 09, 2013, 12:29:01 PM
But 1911's are 8)
Couldn't agree more!
Fix for lower magazine capacity = http://shopruger.com/SR1911-10-RD-Magazine-Stainless-16001/productinfo/16001/ (http://shopruger.com/SR1911-10-RD-Magazine-Stainless-16001/productinfo/16001/)
With the 45, you don't need 18 rounds ;D
Quote from: The Architect on December 09, 2013, 12:34:10 PM
With the 45, you don't need 18 rounds ;D
[roll]
Don't need 18rds with 9mm either, or a .22 for that matter, if you can shoot worth a shit. It's more an issue of having the ability to engage multiple (several) targets if/when the opportunity presents itself.
A 1911 for each hand then :D
That being said, the mans got a point. 7-8 rounds do go fast.
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 09, 2013, 01:32:04 PM
A 1911 for each hand then :D
That being said, the mans got a point. 7-8 rounds do go fast.
The 4-5 dead guys felt the same. ;)
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 09, 2013, 12:29:01 PM
But 1911's are 8)
They are that! They look nice and there are piles of customization options too. How are they in medium to smaller hands. I'm a little guy and some of the larger semi autos fell really big in my hands. Plenty of hand strength, but don't want to feel like I can barely grip it.
JM
The 1911 has a smaller grip than you might imagine. How do you feel with a G17 in your hands? If you can get your hand around that, you'll have TONS of grip on a 1911.
Not sure I've had a G17 in my hand, the one Glock I did have didn't fell comfortable, it was like the edges of the grip dug in quite a bit. I had plenty to wrap around the grip, but it was one of the medium framed ones. I did try out a larger framed Sig 9mm that felt great.
JM
Lots of 1911 lovers on this thread, me included. I love my ugly plastic Glocks too but if SHTF I'd grab my .45acp 1911s first and the G17 & G19 for back ups. Can't go wrong there. [thumbsup] I was raised on Hi-Powers and 1911s so I'm a single action/cocked and locked kind of shooter... John Browning is my hero. ;) The grip area on a 1911 and the angle of the grip are one of the sweet things about those pistols. Ruger didn't design their MK I, II & III .22s without staring at 1911s for a long time.
If you have a hang up on the 7-8 round capacity of a .45acp 1911 you can always humor yourself with a Wilson Combat 10 round mag. I have several and they run like Swiss trains. Sure they stick out the bottom of the mag well a little but so what. Or you can go the wide body STI, SVI or Para-Ordnance route and have a semi fat, hi-cap 1911.
Again, I really like my Glocks but I'm just as smitten, if not more, with 1911s and Hi-Powers. Try borrowing a 1911 or rent one at a range and give it a try. They've been around for over 100 years for a good reason and I think they are more popular now than ever. What does that tell you? Just look at all the top shelf manufactuers making 1911s these days... SIG Sauer, Ruger, Springfield Armory, Les Baer, Wilson Combat, Rock River, etc. Hell, even the Chinese (Norinco) made a basic, inexpensive .45 1911 (Norinco) back in the 1990s that sold well.
Quote from: DRKWNG on December 09, 2013, 01:11:47 PM
[roll]
Don't need 18rds with 9mm either, or a .22 for that matter, if you can shoot worth a shit. It's more an issue of having the ability to engage multiple (several) targets if/when the opportunity presents itself.
Good point. But everyone needs a 1911 in their stash. ;D
^ what he said. ;)
I want a Dan Wesson 1911.
Looking into building a lightweight commander with a Caspian Titanium frame. Need to do the math and see if I can get it down to the same weight as my Colt Defender.
I've got an old Commander Lightweight that I've always wanted to trick out. Never built a 1911 from scratch though. Keep us updated on the build if it happens.
I gave a favorite, well used Colt Series 80 all steel 9mm Commander to my 16 year old (soon to be 17 this month) step son earlier this year. It's in great shape. Wilson and Brown goodies... beavertail grip safety, ambi safety, light weight hammer, NM bushing, full length guide rod, Novak sights, Videcki trigger, sweet Coco Bolo grip panels, etc. All assembled, massaged and slicked up by a really good 'smith. Didn't waste $$ on checkering, just slapped some skateboard tape on the front of the grip.
Runs like a champ and is a good 1911 starter for junior. Forty fives scare him off a little and my Hi-Powers have given him their famous "hammer bite". Handed the HPs back to me and asked for a Band-aid. [laugh]
My wife and I have discussed giving him a Level 1 pistol class for a Christmas present. He has hit a wall (like all teenagers) and doesn't listen to me as much as he first did when it comes to shooting. I think it's time to turn a pro instructor (in a class setting) loose on him. I think he'd like to try IDPA someday but he has some classes in front of him first. He loves the idea of 3 Gun but if he doesn't like .45s he sure as heck won't like 12 gauge scatterguns. [laugh]
I had Jimmy Clark build my wife a 9mm Commander - its a shooter! and after shooting thousands of hot 45 pin loads, shooting that 9 is like shooting a 22. I have a stock Government Springfield Armory 5" 9mm but it is real cranky about what it will feed or shoot. Some loads shoot a foot at 25 yards and some shoot under 2". I put in a longer link and it tightened up a bit. I might try stretching a link a bit to see if more lockup pressure will make it a little less picky.
Always wanted a full size 9mm. I've shot a couple of nice ones but just stuck to my two Commander nines. My step son and his Dad recently said the 9mm I gave junior wasn't running right. Had trouble feeding/jamming. Huh? We talking about the same gun?
Come to find out they were shooting some of my old Norinco ball ammo I keep at my farm and using an old magazine, I think it was a Mec-Gar. I got it back, took it apart, cleaned it, used the Wilson mags I gave him and some Fiocchi and Winchester ball and it worked perfect. Any gun can be picky if you used funky ammo and mags.
PS bet Jim Clark builds a nice gun! [thumbsup]
I shot against Jim three years at the Steel Safari. Tied him once and lost in a shoot off. Shot with him twice at the three gun Nationals when they were in Glenrose, TX. Shot with his sister and brother-in-law (Kay Clark and Jerry Miculek) for 9 years at 2nd Chance and the NAPSA Nationals. Jim is a great guy to be around and a very tough competitor. I don't care if its a National Shooting Championship or lawn croquet, he will figure out how to win. Spent some time around the campfire with him and at his shop. Super people.
Since the conversion has shifted to 1911's.
http://shopwilsoncombat.com/Firing-Pin-45-ACP-Bullet-Proof-Titanium/productinfo/336/ (http://shopwilsoncombat.com/Firing-Pin-45-ACP-Bullet-Proof-Titanium/productinfo/336/)
http://www.cylinder-slide.com/index.php?app=ccp0&ns=prodshow&ref=CS0214 (http://www.cylinder-slide.com/index.php?app=ccp0&ns=prodshow&ref=CS0214)
I have both in my Gold Cup, along with a titanium main spring strut.
Reduced lock time is one of those things that once you experience a gun with a really quick lock time, you wonder why you didn't do it much sooner.
Can't say enough good things about C & S's hammer kits, truly are drop-in and you get a great (no creep, nice clean break) trigger. [thumbsup]
Springfield has some nice looking 1911s. Might have to pester the local shop and handle a few soon.
Ranking-wise, help me put these in order of best to worst: Ruger, S & W, Springfield, Sig, Kimber, H&K
JM
Quote from: the_Journeyman on December 10, 2013, 10:00:01 AM
Ranking-wise, help me put these in order of best to worst: Ruger, S & W, Springfield, Sig, Kimber, H&K
JM
Ranked best to worst? The best one is the one that fits your hand the best, and you shoot the best with. Work down the list from there. Best thing to do is find a range that rents them out and take them for a test ride.
I was thinking of build quality and materials, but certainly would need to have one in my hand to really know if it was a good fit for me.
JM
Are we still talking 1911s here?
And yes X 2 to sno_duc, quick lock time is goodness and Cylinder & Slide makes good stuff. [thumbsup]
Quote from: DRKWNG on December 10, 2013, 10:33:40 AM
Ranked best to worst? The best one is the one that fits your hand the best, and you shoot the best with. Work down the list from there. Best thing to do is find a range that rents them out and take them for a test ride.
Agreed, however with a 1911 by changing the grips, grip safety, main spring housing (arched or flat with or without magazine funnel) and trigger (long, medium or short) the ergos can customized to fit just about anyone.
He's right again. Videcki and others make different length/style triggers, I have small/medium size hands but I grew up on checkered arched mainspring housings when most 1911s come with flat ones. There's a variety of aftermarket thumb safeties and longer mag releases are out there as well. And who knows how many grip options... hundreds? You can definitely fine tune a 1911 to your liking. And you see makers of polymer frame receiver autos going the adjustable grip route. Just swap the rear grip panels to fit your hand and your preference. All good stuff.
No. ;)
Tell me about this thing.
(http://www.gunsumerreports.com/Chiappa_Rhino_60DS/Chiappa_Rhino_60DS_000.jpg)
How much distance between line of sight and the centerline of the bore?
In rifles at 100 yards + a 2" difference between bore and LoS isn't going to introduce too much parallax.
At pistol ranges (under 50 yards), I wonder how much a few yards difference in range is going to change point of impact.
I suppose it's not that much different than a scoped handgun.
Has anyone actually shot a Rhino revolver? I know what they are but haven't really read much about them. My step son asked me about them when he saw them in an American Rifleman magazine. He wanted to know why they built them like that. All I could say is I'm not sure. ???
To JM, I think all those manufacturers make great handguns. I'm not qualified to rate them best to worst. You couldn't go wrong with any of them. I am only personally familiar with SA, Kimber, Colt, Wilson, Rock River and Les Baer 1911s. And there is not a bad one on my list. I just read a nice write up on the Ruger SR45 and their 1911 version, the SR1911, in the December issue of American Rifleman.
The market is full to the brim with affordable, excellent quality 1911s. They are like AR platform rifles these days. Just pick your price range and style you want and go try a few. [popcorn]
From what I understand, the main purpose behind the Rhino is to reduce the distance between the axis of the bore and the axis of the arm to reduce the amount of muzzle rise. The shorter the distance between those two axes the smaller the moment of inertia. The recoil comes more straight back into the arm instead of tending to raise or tip the gun up in recoil so sight acquisition is faster. The theory works well with light and medium recoiling cartridges but when shooting something like hot loaded 44 mag, straight back recoil just stings and makes your elbows ache. Then the tipping up of the gun eats up recoil energy through motion. I have a couple Super Blackhawks and a S&W 29. The bore axis to arm axis distance on the super blackhawks is more than the S&W and the Rugers tend to twist and climb. The Smith recoils more straight back and just hurts. Shooting big single actions with heavy loads is a completely different technique - instead of fighting the recoil to get the gun back down, let the gun move in that upward arc to eat up that energy. I'd rather shoot the heavy 44 loads in the blackhawks any day over the Smith.
I do think I want a 1911. I need to just go and handle a few.
Jm
Quote from: the_Journeyman on December 10, 2013, 04:52:39 PM
I do think I want a 1911. I need to just go and handle a few.
Jm
Do it, you won't be disappointed. My Sig Sauer 1911 is the most accurate handgun
I own and the most fun to shoot. ;)
Don't forget Colt when looking at 1911's. They are turning out some darn nice stuff at prices equal to or less than the new kids. I wouldn't mind one of their railguns for a full size 1911. Their 21st Century Commander is a fantastic looking handgun.
Thoughts?
http://www.recoilweb.com/wrentech-llc-presents-advanced-tactical-sight-firefly-36217.html (http://www.recoilweb.com/wrentech-llc-presents-advanced-tactical-sight-firefly-36217.html)
I agree with Warren on Colts.
As an aside; Warren have you ever shot the American Hand-gunner World Shoot-off?
Did it once as a "C" shooter in '96, love to do that match again.
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 10, 2013, 07:51:41 PM
Thoughts?
http://www.recoilweb.com/wrentech-llc-presents-advanced-tactical-sight-firefly-36217.html (http://www.recoilweb.com/wrentech-llc-presents-advanced-tactical-sight-firefly-36217.html)
No
Why
As an aside; Warren have you ever shot the American Hand-gunner World Shoot-off?
Did it once as a "C" shooter in '96, love to do that match again.
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I never did shoot that match. That stuff is so much fun - its great to get out there with your peers and have at it, so many great people - I miss it a lot. I am toying with the
idea of shooting the Steel Safari again in New Mexico and/or Camp Perry again for smallbore. Haven't had
the resources to play as much lately, but things might be improving slightly - it sure would be good to get to a
big match again.
Quote from: WarrenJ on December 10, 2013, 08:28:01 PM
I never did shoot that match. That stuff is so much fun - its great to get out there with your peers and have at it, so many great people - I miss it a lot. I am toying with the
idea of shooting the Steel Safari again in New Mexico and/or Camp Perry again for smallbore. Haven't had
the resources to play as much lately, but things might be improving slightly - it sure would be good to get to a
big match again.
It was a great match, start shooting at 8:00 in the morning finish about 5:00 in the afternoon for 4 days, all steel, all man vs. man best of three runs, 32 rung ladder for "C" limited times 16 stages.
Best "Big Match" story, USPSA limited Nationals in Fredricksburg mid '90s, guy on our squad had a barrel failure (the barrel on his 1911 sheared off just past the lugs), sending half the barrel and slide down range. (the barrel did hit the target low) We (the rest of the squad) dug into our range bags, went to the safety table, and between us had enough parts and tools to get his gun running before the next stage.
How is Rock Island's stuff? I've heard of them but don't really know anything about them.
JM
In my opinion (since I have one) they make really good stuff. Not sure of their AR guns since I don't have one. Somewhere in the back of what's left of my feeble mind I seem to remember the guys that started it used to work for Les Baer... I think. That can't be a bad training ground. ;)
So I stopped at a larger gun store in NH this morning. I was looking for Blazer aluminum 45 auto. The clerk responds "we don't sell that stuff."
I had to ask. "Why?"
"It's dangerous."
"Dangerous?"
"It can explode in the gun, damage the gun and hurt the shooter."
They don't sell steel case either for the same reason. Is there any legitimacy to the clerks claim that aluminum case ammo can explode when fired? Can the lead get lodged/wedged due to the weak casing and cause the lead not to go out the barrel rather have the pressure destroy the chamber?
Um... Isn't pulling the trigger simply initiating a highly controlled explosion? Silly clerk.
JM
Quote from: the_Journeyman on December 12, 2013, 11:14:49 AM
Um... Isn't pulling the trigger simply initiating a highly controlled explosion? Silly clerk.
JM
That is the theory.
The only thing I can see is the bullet doesn't go down the barrel, acts like a cork and the gun goes boom in the wrong direction.
I'm just looking for cheap ammo to throw down range.
Quote from: The Architect on December 12, 2013, 11:12:18 AM
They don't sell steel case either for the same reason. Is there any legitimacy to the clerks claim that aluminum case ammo can explode when fired? Can the lead get lodged/wedged due to the weak casing and cause the lead not to go out the barrel rather have the pressure destroy the chamber?
To put it politely, they are make the beast with two backsing idiots.
Russia has used steel cased ammo for >100 years.
Do they refuse to sell paper cased ammo too? Cause, you know, it might explode n stuff.
The issue with "exploding" guns is an unsupported cartridge in the chamber, i.e. Glocks. When used within spec, even this is not an issue. Glock kabooms have almost been exclusively with reloads and with bad ammo. With normal ammo, the chamber is the problem, if any. Overpressure ammo can kaboom any gun. Aluminum, brass, steel, etc are all no problem when the chamber is fine and pressures are normal.
I suppose in some guns with chambers with poor support an aluminum case 'might' be an issue. Never heard of any issues with Blazer.
I've never heard the claim steel cased ammo is dangerous before.
edit...'Tiz beat me to it.
The only case of an exploding gun I'm familiar with was one an instructor showed us. Someone tried running .357 Mag through a .38 revolver.
JM
Quote from: the_Journeyman on December 12, 2013, 12:02:35 PM
The only case of an exploding gun I'm familiar with was one an instructor showed us. Someone tried running .357 Mag through a .38 revolver.
JM
google "glock kaboom".. plenty of examples
99% of them are likely overpressure ammo or reloads. the other 1% possibly a combination of freak accident and out of battery ignition
Quote from: ducatiz on December 12, 2013, 12:04:30 PM
google "glock kaboom".. plenty of examples
99% of them are likely overpressure ammo or reloads. the other 1% possibly a combination of freak accident and out of battery ignition
I couldn't even guess the amount of ammo I've seen run through Glocks in the past 10yrs and I've never seen it happen.
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 12, 2013, 01:22:50 PM
I couldn't even guess the amount of ammo I've seen run through Glocks in the past 10yrs and I've never seen it happen.
Neither have I. I've heard of it, seen pics, but never in person. My Gen1 G21 easily had 20k rounds thru it when I sold it.
The only pistol I've ever had kaboom was a Kimel AP-9, an impressive piece of shit that tried to copy the KG-9.
Quote from: ducpainter on December 12, 2013, 11:50:57 AM
I suppose in some guns with chambers with poor support an aluminum case 'might' be an issue. Never heard of any issues with Blazer.
I've never heard the claim steel cased ammo is dangerous before.
edit...'Tiz beat me to it.
The store is Shooters Outpost.
That was my first time there.
Quote from: The Architect on December 12, 2013, 02:44:27 PM
The store is Shooters Outpost.
That was my first time there.
Where is it?
Quote from: ducpainter on December 12, 2013, 03:00:55 PM
Where is it?
Honesty
It's about a year or so old.
People speak highly of the place.
Honesty, NH?
Where is that?
Quote from: ducpainter on December 12, 2013, 11:50:57 AM
I've never heard the claim steel cased ammo is dangerous before.
edit...'Tiz beat me to it.
Some of the crappy combloc milsurp has split case and fte and hangfires, but thats usually an annoyance not a kaboom
Steel cased ammo is a financial choice not a quality choice. Brass expands to the chamber steel doesnt but thats not a problem if your chamber is right sized.
Quote from: The Architect on December 12, 2013, 02:44:27 PM
The store is Shooters Outpost.
That was my first time there.
Interesting that they have a link to Blazer aluminum cased ammo on their site. ???
Quote from: ducpainter on December 12, 2013, 03:22:27 PM
Honesty, NH?v
Where is that?
Hooksett.
Stupid phone changes words after I've typed them!!!!!
Quote from: ducatiz on December 12, 2013, 04:14:57 PM
Steel cased ammo is a financial choice not a quality choice. Brass expands to the chamber steel doesnt but thats not a problem if your chamber is right sized.
Exactly.
I don't want to spend $0.50 a round for when I'm just playing around.
Quote from: The Architect on December 12, 2013, 05:38:33 PM
Exactly.
I don't want to spend $0.50 a round for when I'm just playing around.
Start reloading. [thumbsup]
Quote from: The Architect on December 12, 2013, 05:38:33 PM
Exactly.
I don't want to spend $0.50 a round for when I'm just playing around.
I meant that Russians have steel cheap, not brass. Brass is more expensive in Russia. Brass was always cheaper here in the US because we had so much copper. Russia did not have copper in large quantities. They DO have lots of chromium which is why all their guns had chromed barrels.
Quote from: The Architect on December 12, 2013, 11:12:18 AM
So I stopped at a larger gun store in NH this morning. I was looking for Blazer aluminum 45 auto. The clerk responds "we don't sell that stuff."
I had to ask. "Why?"
"It's dangerous."
"Dangerous?"
"It can explode in the gun, damage the gun and hurt the shooter."
Can you possibly imagine an American Ammunition company like CCI selling a product for 30 years or so that blew up guns in this litigious country. Goofball [bang]
I actually had a Glock 20 let loose on me. The gun actually stayed in battery and the barrel and slide were undamaged. It blew a perfect half moon out of the side of the case, exactly where it is unsupported. It blew both sides of the frame out, blew out the trigger, blew out the mag and pushed the bullets back into the cases for the first couple in the mag. Sandblasted the side of my right index finger where the gasses came out between the slide and frame. Finger was numb for a couple of days. It was a hotter load that ran fine in my 1911's. It is real illuminating if you take the barrel out of a 45 Glock (other calibers don't seem as bad) and drop a loaded round into the chamber and see how much slop is in there and compare it to a 1911 barrel (or an aftermarket Glock barrel. I think it was a combination of a +P load, Starline Brass and the large unsupported area of the Glock 45 chamber. The brass was factory new Starline, but research I have done on their brass after the incident makes me think it is a bit thin in the web and I won't use it for heavy loads. YMMV
They don't sell steel case either for the same reason. Is there any legitimacy to the clerks claim that aluminum case ammo can explode when fired? Can the lead get lodged/wedged due to the weak casing and cause the lead not to go out the barrel rather have the pressure destroy the chamber?
Was it a .45acp Glock or a 10mm? A Glock 20 is a 10mm, the G2 is a .45acp and Colt made (do they still?) a 10mm Delta Elite 1911. I have one but haven't shot it (or my G20) in a long time.
.40S&W kind of killed off the 10mm even though it was a good, hot load. The FBI even used 10mm S&W 1076 autos for a while. They were big, heavy stainless autos with an interesting SIG Sauer decocker lever on the left side.
it was a Glock 21 45 ACP. I bought a Glock 20, 10mm and have actually put the barrel and slide from the blown up 45 on the 10mm frame (the 20 and 21 use the same frame) and it works fine.
I shoot standard pressure 10mm in the stock Glock 20 and I have a 6" KKJ barrel and a heavy recoil spring system that I use for full pressure 10. The aftermarket barrels are nice as they have better case support and they have conventional rifling so cast bullets are not the problem they supposedly are in the stock Glock polygon bore.
I have only run stock barrels but I have heard that about aftermarket barrels like Lone Wolf, Bar-Sto, etc.
I always thought it was cruel of Glock to tempt me all those years ago about the "soon to be released" offering of the .45acp G21 only to keep putting it off over and over again. And then to release the 10mm G20 first and make me wait even longer for the .45. >:( [bang] [popcorn] They wore me down and I bought the G20 but I still drove my local gun shops nuts asking about the .45 and when they'd get them in. My universe was in order when they finally hit the shelves. ;D
Wiping away the tears this morning. Taking my class III AUG to a local high end gun store today to be put on consignment sale. They have treated me extremely well with other sales. They work the internet auction sites. The AUG is just too expensive to shoot these days and Christmas bills (along with the normal monthly stack) are looming in the distance. I've had it since 1989 but it's time to say goodbye. Also dragging along a Python and a 3rd gen Colt SAA, both NIB. Might even throw in a Nat'l Match Garand and M1A. This may be harder than selling the 916SPS but I need to get rid of stuff. If I died today my wife would freak out trying to get rid of my goodies. Can't dump that in her lap after I'm gone.
Handled some 1911s this weekend. The Ruger feels nice. The rest aren't all that budget friendly.
What maker would have Argentina stamped on the slide? Saw it in the used section and couldn't see the maker stamping.
JM
I feel for you. I have sold some off to help with the bills too. The thing that sucks is, you get the money, then the money is gone and so are the guns. Just took a nice walk with my rifle this morning. Bright sunny, clear and crisp -4F with not a breath of wind. Slung the CZ 223 over the shoulder and walked the perimeter of my place and the neighbors. About a 2 mile walk. Its fun looking at all the new tracks in the snow. Some deer and a few sets of coyote tracks. If this real cold weather keeps up, I'm going to get some coyote calling in. It works better with lots more snow though - they can still easily get at the mice and things with just 3-4 inches on the ground. They won't come to a call here unless they absolutely have no choice.
Argentina had a couple 45s. The Ballister Molina is very similar to a 1911 except it has a pivoting trigger instead of a sliding trigger. The Argentine government also produced regular 1911's for their military - The M1916 was a copy of the M1911 and the M1927 was a copy of the M1911A1.
Interesting. That might warrant a closer inspection out of curiosity. It wasn't expensive, might be nice to have just because.
JM
Quote from: the_Journeyman on December 16, 2013, 06:20:17 AM
Handled some 1911s this weekend. The Ruger feels nice. The rest aren't all that budget friendly.
What maker would have Argentina stamped on the slide? Saw it in the used section and couldn't see the maker stamping.
JM
I love my Ruger. It shoots great. Very accurate! And you can't beat the price.
Now the bad stuff. One day at the range the front site just sheered off. The gun was never holstered and always taken care of well. It seems there was an issue with the manufacturing by Novak.
The other issue is that one day I took the grips off and found specs of rust. Turns out the stainless was reacting to the wood grips.
In both cases the gun went back to Ruger and was returned to me in a week, corrected and at their expense.
The customer services is unbeatable.
I replaced the wood grips with rubber Hoeg grips.
I've been really happy with my Rugers - P94 & GP161, and I certified for CCW with my grandfather's Ruger Security Six as well. Good to know their customer service is good as well. No reason for me to spend more if it's a good option. The local store had them priced at $730, SS w/ wood grips.
JM
As I mentioned in an earlier 1911 post, the Ruger 1911s have gotten good reviews. Certainly worth a hard look. And I love a company that has a no BS warranty/service mindset. To me that has a definite cash and customer loyalty value that some others can't touch. I know my brother had a problem with one of his boy's Henry .22 rifles and Henry fixed it fast, no charge and no BS. [thumbsup] [thumbsup] [clap]
Quote from: the_Journeyman on December 16, 2013, 06:20:17 AM
Handled some 1911s this weekend. The Ruger feels nice. The rest aren't all that budget friendly.
What maker would have Argentina stamped on the slide? Saw it in the used section and couldn't see the maker stamping.
JM
It might be a Ballester-Molina, or a Colt.
I've got a B-M .45....IIRC, the name is stamped on the slide.
They can be had pretty cheaply, I picked mine up for $300 with three boxes of ammo, and it had been recently re-blued.
Quote from: the_Journeyman on December 16, 2013, 06:20:17 AM
Handled some 1911s this weekend. The Ruger feels nice. The rest aren't all that budget friendly.
What maker would have Argentina stamped on the slide? Saw it in the used section and couldn't see the maker stamping.
JM
The Ballerina Molester
It's a 1911 derivative.
Check out the Rock Island and the Auto Ordnance 1911s
Will do. Rock Island seemed to get nice reviews and was about half the Sig & Springfields.
JM
The Rock Islands have gotten good owner reviews too and are priced really low for what they are.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MK8ffcLL3A&feature=youtube_gdata_player (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MK8ffcLL3A&feature=youtube_gdata_player)
Speaking of affordable 1911's
Quote from: ducpainter on December 16, 2013, 10:32:12 AM
It might be a Ballester-Molina, or a Colt.
Or neither.
Argentine made 1911's aren't Colts but they are considered as such for valuation purposes.
Initially these were made by Argentina and called Sistema 1911's (I've got one). They used colts methods and dies but paid a royalty to colt. They got tired of that and the Balister Molina was created. No royalties but they use some of the same parts as the actual 1911.
I paid $400 for mine and that was probably a deal. Serial number puts it as made in 1943 and god only knows how many rounds have been through it. Its pretty loose but still shoots as well as my eyes will let it. I've avoided upgrading anything on it as its all original (numbers match on the slide, frame and barrel)
Keep it as is. If it still shoots OK and makes you happy then leave it alone. I have some old Colts that I would never mod. They're like me... old, worn, have some issues but they still run and don't jam. ;D
Just dropped by a buddy's house. He inherited some cool stuff. Including a Smith and Wesson 460 and a .500........also a couple .45 revolvers.
Was about to post that hickok video lol
Those X-Frame 460 and 500 Smith revolvers should come with wheels!
Quote from: WarrenJ on December 17, 2013, 06:43:06 PM
Those X-Frame 460 and 500 Smith revolvers should come with wheels!
And a trailer hitch. .......
Quote from: cokey on December 17, 2013, 06:36:02 PM
Was about to post that hickok video lol
I'd love to have a range like that in my back yard.
Custom Homemade Shotgun Shells 4, Catchphrase Edition (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHVBM7K15dI#)
I'd hate to see the bores of those shotguns after the razor blades and drywall screws.
Quote from: WarrenJ on December 19, 2013, 09:58:57 AM
I'd hate to see the bores of those shotguns after the razor blades and drywall screws.
when do you like seeing the bore of a shotgun? ;D
Every time I clean one of mine. ;D [popcorn]
I was surprised by the damage the rice crispy did.
A friend of mine got a deal on a 5 gallon bucket of dime-sized aluminum cutouts from a machinist friend of his. Loaded up a bunch of shells.
They were shit for range or accuracy, but holy make the beast with two backs did they shred anything they hit.
'merica!
make the beast with two backs yeah!
I mean, really, what else would you do with dime sized cutouts?
Mother of invention... and I don't mean Zappa. [popcorn] [thumbsup] I like to see things put to an interesting use. Imagine an ER doctor pulling those bits out of a criminal that had been shot. ???
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 19, 2013, 08:21:40 PM
'merica!
make the beast with two backs yeah!
I mean, really, what else would you do with dime sized cutouts?
Put them in the holes of an electrical service box. :-D
Quote from: Buckethead on December 19, 2013, 07:48:00 PM
A friend of mine got a deal on a 5 gallon bucket of dime-sized aluminum cutouts from a machinist friend of his. Loaded up a bunch of shells.
They were shit for range or accuracy, but holy make the beast with two backs did they shred anything they hit.
I'd love to see how those things patterned....
About like a blunderbuss.
Anything past 20 or 30 feet out and they'd have separated and started fluttering like coins in a glass of water, going every which way.
The marker was hilarious, did you see the orange "puff?"
JM
Quote from: fastwin on December 20, 2013, 04:52:51 AM
Imagine an ER doctor pulling those bits out of a criminal that had been shot. ???
Would there be a need to go to the ER if the criminal was shot with Skittles? Since the Skittles are sugar based, wouldn't the sugar dissolve onto the blood stream?
Quote from: The Architect on December 20, 2013, 08:44:13 AM
Would there be a need to go to the ER if the criminal was shot with Skittles? Since the Skittles are sugar based, wouldn't the sugar dissolve onto the blood stream?
Added benefit, the criminal who had been shot would now become diabetic.
I'm a fan of Ruger. One of their factories is a few miles from me and I like their products. Here's a nice improvement to the LCR.
Ruger Adds the Exposed-Hammer LCRx to the LCR Line of Compact Revolvers - Gunblast.com (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iT4X_YXwEQ&feature=youtu.be#)
Being a grade A gun dork I like all guns. But I do have a special spot for snub nose revolvers. Partial to J frame Smiths and old Colt Detective models. The Colts are marginally larger than a J frame and give you that extra shot. I've successfully avoided the lure of the Ruger small frame revolvers. Tempted, yes. Fell for the bait, no. But they did get me on the LCP... they're like dope dealers! [laugh]
After Xmas house cleaning and helping the wifely unit put up the final holiday decorations in prep for the invasion of the in-laws on Christmas Eve I earned enough kitchen points for a quick run to my local indoor range. The trip was a nice deposit to my sanity account. [thumbsup]
Doped in a rifle on the indoor long range and burnt some ammo on the pistol range. Rediscovered an old friend, my Browning Hi-Powers. I have a couple Wayne Novak HPs (replicas of the old FBI HRT pistols) and took an older Belgian model that's stock and well used. They all ran great and it was like a reunion party. Haven't shot them in a while. My bad. [bang] The Novaks were my CHL carry gun for years. May be time to start putting some mileage on them again. [popcorn]
The rifle I scoped in will hopefully be the cause of feral pig death at my place over the Christmas holidays. Might even get in a pig hunt at my sister's farm not too far away. [bacon] [bacon] [bacon]
Just finished reloading some .357 rounds with my wife ...she actually enjoyed it [thumbsup]
Just got home from Cabela's with my Christmas presents to me:
My first AR-15, a Bushmaster in .223, and a Glock 21 Gen 4.
Can't wait to go play!
I've made three real strong attempts to become happy with Glocks. They are great guns, tough, functional, reasonably accurate (sometimes very accurate). I have been shooting them pretty much exclusively for the last 3 years or so. A couple of months ago, my brother and I were shooting some drills. I was shooting the 19 and I switched to my Colt Defender 45 and just romped and stomped all over my Glock performance. All the muscle memory from the 1911s is still there. On paper, the Glock is probably a better gun, but in my hands, I still performed better with the 1911. Somewhere North of a half million rounds of 45 ACP out of 1911's probably has a bit to do with it. Its why I'm considering building a lightweight commander in 45 again for carry. I really like the 19, but I just perform better with the 1911's. I started dragging the 1911s out of the safe and its been so fun running them again.
I still recommend new pistol shooters to start out with Glocks, XDs or M&Ps , because if you build the proper muscle memory from the get go with them, I think you are better off.
Quote from: swampduc on December 22, 2013, 05:21:10 PM
Just got home from Cabela's with my Christmas presents to me:
My first AR-15, a Bushmaster in .223, and a Glock 21 Gen 4.
Can't wait to go play!
Thats a pretty great Christmas Present! The next range day should be fun!
I gave myself a G30s last year. Apparently this is becoming a tradition ;D
I've never fired another .45 that I could shoot more accurately. The only pistol that I can personally shoot as accurately is a PPK, so I've been extremely happy with Glock.
Those little PPKs always shoot way better than you expect a little gun to. That fixed barrel system makes for a surprisingly accurate little rig.
I've always loved the PPK as a platform, but I haven't heard great - or even good, for that matter - things about Walthers from a functional reliability standpoint.
Any FHE from the collective board?
Mine is a S & W piece. Lots of jams the first 100 rounds. Actually had me worried. Since then, though, I've put about 2000 rounds through it with no issues.
I had the opportunity to talk to one of the sales execs from Walther. We were discussing the TPH. The first TPH runs were made in Germany and were wonderful little handguns. Then Walther set up a plant in Alabama to make guns including the TPH. The Walther guy told me right out, do not buy an American made Walther, they are junk. My PPK is a German one and it runs perfectly. This was x-number of years ago, so things might have changed. My German PPK and my GX-1 smallbore rifle performed excellently.
Swampduc, great score on the Bushmaster and Glock. Merry Christmas!! ;D Like my older brother has always said, "the best gift is the one you buy yourself". Part 2 of his gift buying advice is "never buy someone something that you can't borrow and use yourself"... and he has always meant both of those! [roll]
I have a G21 and it's a great pistol. I love all things .45 but the 21 is a chunky, big ass gun for me. I'd rather sling a 12 gauge over my shoulder than try to carry a 21 concealed. [laugh]
But it's a damn nice gun.
Like Warren I favor the model 19 Glock, they are my fav G guns. But also like Warren I just run better with 1911s. No slam on Glocks, it's just a personal preference. It's not that I shoot that much better with 1911s (OK... maybe a little bit) but I just enjoy it more. Like I said in an earlier post, I'm also digging shooting my Hi-Powers lately. I'll stay tuned up on them but on my last shooting range trip the only pistols I took were the HPs. It was nice to focus on one type of pistol.
I've got a stainless Walther PPK and although it runs well enough on ball ammo I've had an occasional issue with some hollow point rounds. Mainly some good Federals and Cor-Bon ammo. Also not crazy about the hammer bite when you get a nice high grip. Not my favorite .380. That goes to the SIG 230, Kel-Tec and Ruger LCP.
Quote from: WarrenJ on December 23, 2013, 06:02:18 AM
I had the opportunity to talk to one of the sales execs from Walther. We were discussing the TPH. The first TPH runs were made in Germany and were wonderful little handguns. Then Walther set up a plant in Alabama to make guns including the TPH. The Walther guy told me right out, do not buy an American made Walther, they are junk. My PPK is a German one and it runs perfectly. This was x-number of years ago, so things might have changed. My German PPK and my GX-1 smallbore rifle performed excellently.
I had the same experience with the Austrian made Glocks vs the American ones.
I picked up a G19 for cheapo years ago that was a grey market import by IO. Gen3 police guns. I can't describe what the difference is, but it feels different from the Smyrna made Glocks.
maybe a derby....but wow...
http://blog.solidconcepts.com/industry-highlights/worlds-first-3d-printed-metal-gun/ (http://blog.solidconcepts.com/industry-highlights/worlds-first-3d-printed-metal-gun/)
A bit over my high tech ability/understanding but a cool project for sure.
80% lowers, anyone play with one?
looking at this http://www.opticsplanet.com/lee-deluxe-turret-press-kits-4-hole-turret-with-auto-index-90928.html (http://www.opticsplanet.com/lee-deluxe-turret-press-kits-4-hole-turret-with-auto-index-90928.html) for 9 and 45's. Thoughts?
Quote from: muskrat on December 28, 2013, 06:51:21 AM
looking at this http://www.opticsplanet.com/lee-deluxe-turret-press-kits-4-hole-turret-with-auto-index-90928.html (http://www.opticsplanet.com/lee-deluxe-turret-press-kits-4-hole-turret-with-auto-index-90928.html) for 9 and 45's. Thoughts?
The deluxe press is aluminum...
The classic is cast steel...a better buy IMO.
https://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/product/productId/23840 (https://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/product/productId/23840)
noted, I missed that "tiny" detail [bang]
Quote from: muskrat on December 28, 2013, 07:03:39 AM
noted, I missed that "tiny" detail [bang]
I think Graf's is the only place that offers the classic in a kit form. Lee doesn't even offer it.
The Lee turret presses fill a void between a manual turret and a full progressive and are good units.
a little more light reading. Thanks for the info
Quote from: rgramjet on December 28, 2013, 06:50:51 AM
80% lowers, anyone play with one?
There are several great threads on Pirate 4x4 about them, including step by step instructions. I'm ordering a jig soon ;D
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/outdoor-sports-recreation/1110045-80-lowers.html (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/outdoor-sports-recreation/1110045-80-lowers.html)
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/75-outdoor-sports-recreation/ (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/75-outdoor-sports-recreation/)
Quote from: muskrat on December 28, 2013, 06:51:21 AM
looking at this http://www.opticsplanet.com/lee-deluxe-turret-press-kits-4-hole-turret-with-auto-index-90928.html (http://www.opticsplanet.com/lee-deluxe-turret-press-kits-4-hole-turret-with-auto-index-90928.html) for 9 and 45's. Thoughts?
Do you have a single station press yet? I can't imagine jumping into reloading with a progressive press. I still do a pile of reloading on my Lyman Orange Crusher and Redding Turret press. I just have the Redding set up with a 22, 6mm and 30 cal seating dies and whatever resizing die or other seating die I might be using. A Dillon Square Deal B in 9mm and a Dillon 650 do the high volume reloading.
If you have some good reloading experience, the Lee will give you some more speed, but I really do like the Dillons if you are going to use them a lot, plus their customer service is great. If you are new to reloading, I'd look around for an inexpensive, used single station press and process a couple thousand rounds singly before getting a progressive, to give you a better perspective on what is happening. Even after getting the progressive, you'll still use the single station press for experimenting with different loads, etc. Just my $0.02
Warren makes some good points. There's nothing like a single stage press to learn the ropes of reloading.
Be aware though the Dillon Square Deal B press uses proprietary dies. Not my idea of a 'square deal'. ;D
I do have reloading experience but it's been more than a few years. There's a lot to learn, I know, so I'm carefully reading and then following up with more reading.
I didn't have any intention of buying a Square Deal, a guy needed some money and sold the whole rig set up for 9mm with a pile of primers and bullets cheap. Its nice to have a unit dedicated to a specific caliber. Its not as fast as the 650, but it works well. I've probably loaded 20K rounds through it over the years.
If you already understand how to properly set up 3 or 4 stage die sets for loading ammo for semi-autos, you could probably jump into a progressive press. Single station presses are just handy for running small sample batches or loading rifle ammunition, etc. I always found that one of the most important things when running a progressive press is carefully listening to the sounds as you cycle. If something suddenly sounds different, you better find out what it is, because a wreck is coming!
My two cents on a press would be a Dillon 550. They are semi progressive and can be upgraded with accessories to increase performance when you need it. It can do most of the things a single stage press can do and can load rifle and pistol ammunition. Not as fast as a dedicated progressive press, but much more versatile.
Thanks WarrenJ. I'm going to revisit this later today.
Interesting that this came up when it did.
I've been tossing around the idea of getting into reloading for several years now, and I think I'm ready to take the plunge.
I just read over the advice handed down in the previous few posts. I'd never thought about not starting with a progressive press.
I was of the mindset that progressives are the fastest and most productive, so that's what I needed to be looking at. [laugh]
Makes total sense though. I wouldn't recommend someone start riding on a SBK.
So here's my question... the Lee Pro 1000.
It's a progressive, but I've read that it can function as a single stage. Is this a viable option for a rookie?
Any thoughts and/or advice are appreciated.
Thanks guys!
I don't have any first hand experience with the Pro 1000 but from what I can see, it won't work as a single station press. Their turret presses have an interesting feature - an auto indexer that can be turned on and off - so it can be used as a single station press, or auto indexed to provide semi-progressive performance. Might be an ok option.
Some people like the Pro 1000, some don't. Most who do like them don't mind 'tinkering'...read that as effing with them to make them work.
The Lee Classic turret can function as a SS press if you disable the advance mechanism, or as a manual turret.
I bought a used Rock Chucker. Single stage...built like a tank. The only downside to the press is the spent primer catch system leaves a bit to be desired. I think SS is the way to go over changing the operation of a press.
It will do what you want, and after a few thousand rounds you'll have a real good idea of what's going on when you pull that handle. All the manu's make a good single stage.
How many rounds you shoot a year should dictate your press IMO, it has nothing to do with how many rounds you can pump out in a sitting.
Like Warren says a SS press is also excellent for load development and most any rifle cartridge.
Any AR15 owners on here?
I'm looking to buy one with emphasis on accuracy, long range
and the occasional hunting trip.
Recommendations, preferences, new or used?
Thanks in advance.
(http://images.rockwellarms.com/ProductImages/KnightsArmament/Firearms/SR-15E3-IWS-LPR.jpg)
http://www.knightarmco.com/portfolio/sr-15e3-iws-lpr/?cate_cm=commercial&term=sr-15&features=sr-15e3-iws-lpr (http://www.knightarmco.com/portfolio/sr-15e3-iws-lpr/?cate_cm=commercial&term=sr-15&features=sr-15e3-iws-lpr)
Yeah, I had actually looked at a Rock Chucker a while back. I don't really remember why it was that I was looking at it.
Any other single stage presses that have a good reputation?
All of the major manufacturers make a rugged single stage press. If you plan on reloading for a really long rifle cartridge you want to be sure the arch will allow for that.
I think the Hornady has a spent primer system that passes down through the ram and lands in a bucket.
You might look on Craigslist...that's where I got mine and it was a great deal. Everything to reload 2 calibers except a set of calipers.
There isn't much of anything that can go wrong with any decent single station press. Even the Aluminum Lee ones work fine. I started reloading back in high school on a Lee O-Frame press in the late '70's. I think it is still in my folks basement. The RCBS Rock Chucker is the press that everything else is compared against. Forester makes a press called the Co-Ax, which is real interesting. If I were to buy another single station press, it would probably be the Co-Ax. The Co-Ax has about twice the leverage of a standard press, it has a universal shellholder feature and the dies just snap into place as opposed to having to screw them in and out. It also has a very good system for capturing spent primers - most O-Frame presses don't - my Redding and Lyman spit spent primers all over. I just sweep them up. You might have to put Forester die rings on the Lee dies to use the snap in feature - not sure.
Quote from: Zaster on December 29, 2013, 11:45:04 AM
Any AR15 owners on here?
I'm looking to buy one with emphasis on accuracy, long range
and the occasional hunting trip.
Recommendations, preferences, new or used?
Thanks in advance.
I built the last 4. Putting together exactly what you want is not that hard. Rock River makes one called the Coyote. It used to come with an ACE Skeleton stock. It now has some other collapsible stock - I liked the ACE better. Seemed to be a good, general purpose AR for just about anything. I built my wife a similar rifle that works pretty well. The Coyote can be had with a 16 or 20" tube. The nice thing about AR's is that you can get several uppers purpose built to do whatever you want. Within the next 6 months or so, AR prices are going to tumble unless there is another panic. Many distributors had deals with manufacturers that were predicated on taking x number of rifles/month and demand is now very soft. There are going to be some fire sales on AR's here pretty quick. Even the Colts will be coming down in price. One thing to be somewhat concerned about is the amount of junk that was churned out during the scare. Quality standards slipped quite a bit,depending on the manufacturer.
^ Good advice by Warren. Nice thing about ARs is that they are the Legos of the rifle world. You can take one lower and have a couple of different uppers for it. 16" M4 barrel profile with iron sights or a nice red dot. Maybe a 18-20" heavy barrel with a groovy BDC AR scope with a bipod. Etc, etc... Then there are the caliber options. I swear me and two other guys in the world are the only people not making ARs these days. [laugh] They are every where and they're made by everybody. It's like ARs and 1911s are living in parallel gun worlds. Great time to be in the market for either gun. [thumbsup]
Thanks guys, great stuff [thumbsup]
I knew I could count on you ;)
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Lol
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NO
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 30, 2013, 04:45:14 PM
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Now we just need a custom kydex inside the pants holster for that, and some mag pouches!
Quote from: WarrenJ on December 30, 2013, 06:19:43 PM
Now we just need a custom kydex inside the pants holster for that, and some mag pouches!
:D
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 30, 2013, 06:54:29 PM
:D
Thought you of all people would come up with something a tad more useful than this ;D
DMF comedians... they're on every thread. [laugh] [laugh]
Zaster, hope you figure out your AR purchase. [thumbsup]
Quote from: Zaster on December 30, 2013, 07:09:30 PM
Thought you of all people would come up with something a tad more useful than this ;D
That was just a pic, nothing to do with your AR quest.
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 30, 2013, 07:40:07 PM
That was just a pic, nothing to do with your AR quest.
Still waiting for your expert advice ;)
http://www.mcgowenbarrel.com/ar15.htm (http://www.mcgowenbarrel.com/ar15.htm)
Scroll down to the bottom of this link - McGowan has a full rifle for sale at a pretty reasonable price. Machined upper and lower and a McGowan barrel. I spent some time with Ron Duplessis, the president of McGowan, a year ago in Montana. They make some pretty darn good tubes.
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 30, 2013, 04:45:14 PM
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"So, Is that an M-203 in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?"
Quote from: WarrenJ on December 31, 2013, 12:02:49 PM
"So, Is that an M-203 in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?"
;D
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^^ [laugh] :D
:D
Welcome Magpul Industries to Texas!! [beer] [clap] Just heard the story on the local TV news that Magpul is moving to north Texas due to Colorado's unfriendly firearm business climate.
I heard Under Armor is moving from MD to Texas. Texas must be a good place!
Shhhhh! Don't tell anyone... they will all want to move here. ;)
.458 socom? Anyone mess around d with it? They have it for the ar platform. . . After watching a few vids, I can see why the guys wanted it downrange. . . Easier to put down targets..
You know, I haven't been around these parts for over a year I think, but did I mention that I really want an M19180 Browning BAR?
I really want one.
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Oh, hey there Brian.
How's Texas?
Check out the FN-D version.
that's what I want.
Quote from: NorDog on January 13, 2014, 04:20:44 PM
You know, I haven't been around these parts for over a year I think, but did I mention that I really want an M19180 Browning BAR?
I really want one.
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Oh, hey there Brian.
How's Texas?
I've had the opportunity to play with the BAR and the FN - both pretty fun guns. In that class of gun, my favorite that I had the opportunity to shoot was the British Bren Gun. Goofy top mounted mag and offset sights, but super controllable and accurate.
Quote from: NorDog on January 13, 2014, 04:20:44 PM
You know, I haven't been around these parts for over a year I think, but did I mention that I really want an M19180 Browning BAR?
I really want one.
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Oh, hey there Brian.
How's Texas?
Yo, howdy Norris! Hope all is well.
I was at my place in Wood County this last weekend. Weather was awesome... sunny, upper 60s to low 70s. Perfect. Just me and the mooing cows down the road at the dairy farm. [thumbsup]
Still got the Harley and the S4RS?
Oh... I get first dibs on guest shooting the BAR if you get one. As long as you pay for the .30-06 ammo. ;) [popcorn]
A local rancher and WWII vet used to have a detailed 10-foot long BAR (training or demo) model hanging on his barn.
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^ ahhh... The Sand Pebbles. Great Steve McQueen movie. [thumbsup]
Quote from: fastwin on January 14, 2014, 05:14:35 AM
^ ahhh... The Sand Pebbles. Great Steve McQueen movie. [thumbsup]
Anything even remotely associated with Steve McQueen has to be cool.
Did some checking and I guess the training model I mentioned was only 8-feet long but then I was just a kid and it must've looked bigger. I wonder how many of these over-sized trainers are floating around.
http://www.nrablog.com/post/2012/11/27/Oversized-Browning-Automatic-Rifle-trainer-donated-to-the-National-Firearms-Museum.aspx (http://www.nrablog.com/post/2012/11/27/Oversized-Browning-Automatic-Rifle-trainer-donated-to-the-National-Firearms-Museum.aspx)
Quote from: Johnny OrganDonor on January 14, 2014, 07:01:29 AM
Anything even remotely associated with Steve McQueen has to be cool.
True words. [clap] [bow_down]
Never seen a giant BAR trainer but would love to have one hanging on my garage wall.
AR-15 VS AK-47, Solved Once and For All (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhGih7eWI3E&feature=youtu.be&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DHhGih7eWI3E%26feature%3Dyoutu.be&app=desktop#)
Know we all know!!!
Quote from: WarrenJ on January 16, 2014, 06:18:13 PM
AR-15 VS AK-47, Solved Once and For All (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhGih7eWI3E&feature=youtu.be&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DHhGih7eWI3E%26feature%3Dyoutu.be&app=desktop#)
Know we all know!!!
[laugh]
Muzzle climb test, M4: "Myyyy God..."
Oh no! I dropped my ham sandwich in my AK!
An AK cannot be stopped by a ham sandwich.
Quote from: DRKWNG on January 16, 2014, 08:04:44 PM
An AK cannot be stopped by a ham sandwich.
I sure as hell can be ;D
I dunno... that test on the video seemed a little slanted toward the AK in my opinion. ;)
Quote from: NorDog on January 13, 2014, 04:20:44 PM
You know, I haven't been around these parts for over a year I think, but did I mention that I really want an M19180 Browning BAR?
I really want one.
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Oh, hey there Brian.
How's Texas?
buy it and ship it here, have room for it. ;D
And when you move back we can go shoot it right down the road at https://www.friscogunclubinc.com/ (https://www.friscogunclubinc.com/)
Quote from: muskrat on January 17, 2014, 04:18:47 PM
buy it and ship it here, have room for it. ;D
And when you move back we can go shoot it right down the road at https://www.friscogunclubinc.com/ (https://www.friscogunclubinc.com/)
Oh, I hate you guys so much.
[bow_down]
3 miles from home too. ;D
Sounds all cool but the Frisco gun club membership is $7,500/year. [bang] I can shoot at my farm on my steel Arnzten targets for free and hog hunt. ;) If I was rich sure I'd join and take my friends but I'm not. Ergo... I shoot at the farm for free. [thumbsup] Still I'd love to go check it out for fun.
Quote from: fastwin on January 19, 2014, 11:09:12 AM
Sounds all cool but the Frisco gun club membership is $7,500/year. [bang] I can shoot at my farm on my steel Arnzten targets for free and hog hunt. ;) If I was rich sure I'd join and take my friends but I'm not. Ergo... I shoot at the farm for free. [thumbsup] Still I'd love to go check it out for fun.
You should invite all your dmf friends to your farm :D
Seriously though, sounds like a great place to shoot.
When we can afford to build or buy another house one of the things I want to be able to do is go out back to get some lead out.
Yeah, how sweet to wake up, grab a cup of coffee and a donut and go ring some steel before you go to work. Only thing to top that off would be a nice scooter ride to work afterwards on awesome roads. [thumbsup] [Dolph]
It was unseasonably warm at our weekend hideout that will see the annual gopher emergence within a couple months. I just picked up my idea of the ultimate gopher rifle for our place and had a chance, with the warm weather, to break in the bore and sight it in. Haven't bought a brand-new gun in over 30 years so I splurged. I have guns for other game but this will get the most use right off my front porch.
Cooper .17hmr Jackson Squirrel Rifle
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I put a nice scope on it.
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First 5-shot group after bore sighting - 50 meters, off bags, into particle board.
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Best group after zeroing at 100 meters - the guy at Cooper told me to expect nickel sized groups at 100 yds.
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Beautiful handling rifle/scope combination.
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Sleep well in your cozy dens for now little varmints, Mr. Cooper is patient.
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:D
That's pretty awesome!
I've only known Cooper Rifles by reputation - but it looks like your rifle lives up to it in Spades! Great shooter and beautiful wood. I got two rabbits out the back window with the 17 HMR yesterday morning as fast as I could run the bolt. My wife got one the morning before with her CZ 452 with Lapua subsonic hollowpoints. They did a lot of damage to my fruit trees, raspberries and blueberries last winter. Your gophers are in a world of hurt!
What ammo were you using?
Quote from: WarrenJ on January 19, 2014, 05:30:32 PM
What ammo were you using?
And how much does .17hmr run these days.
And what does hmr stand for? Never mind, wiki'd it.
I wanted an heirloom quality dream gun and considered an Annie (particularly the new 1727 with the fast straight-pull biathlon action) but the feel of the Cooper was unmatched - and it's also made right here in Montana. I was using run-of-the-mill Hornady 17 gr V-Max. It's spendy, about 30 cents +/- per round but at least you can find it (I was finally able to buy a few boxes of 22lr at local shop for $4.50/box BTW). I borrowed a friend's Savage 17 HMR last year and concluded the round is perfect for our place, fairly flat out to 150 yds then drops off pretty fast. You can still nail small critters out to 250 yds. We have horses and the neighbors run livestock so I like that it's a frangible round (no ricochet) and after about 300 yards, it's probably as lethal as a spit wad. It is very wind susceptible though - I totally missed a fence post out about 150 meters shooting through a crosswind.
added: Here's another pic showing the gorgeous stock a bit better.
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Boy howdy, that is one purty rifle!
I like the 17 for the same reasons. I get asked to remove critters from around farms on occasion and it works well, especially the limited range and frangibility of the bullet. Its not as good of a killer as the 22 mag on larger critters like foxes or coyotes but on the small stuff, its great. I find myself occasionally overshooting things because I can't adjust to how flat it is. I've been shooting the CCI hollowpoints instead of the v-max style bullets. They don't seem to be as violent - you can still eat a rabbit as long as you keep the shots in the front shoulders or noggin. Where are you at in Montana? I skied in Whitefish the last three winters - not this year unfortunately. Also was in Whitefish for the Montana Firearms Institute Forum in September of '12. Camped and fished in the Beartooth.
Might have to try the hollowpoints sometime. Whitefish is a great town and probably the most dog-friendly in the State. I have a good friend there. I live in Bozeman but our place in the photos with all the gophers is near Augusta up against the Rocky Mtn Front near the Bob Marshall and Scapegoat wilderness areas.
Quote from: fastwin on January 19, 2014, 11:09:12 AM
Sounds all cool but the Frisco gun club membership is $7,500/year. [bang] I can shoot at my farm on my steel Arnzten targets for free and hog hunt. ;) If I was rich sure I'd join and take my friends but I'm not. Ergo... I shoot at the farm for free. [thumbsup] Still I'd love to go check it out for fun.
10 or 20/hour Fastwin. Yes you can get a membership but you don't need one unless you want to shoot class III guns.
Quote from: Monsterlover on January 19, 2014, 11:24:59 AM
You should invite all your dmf friends to your farm :D
that's what I've been saying for 5 years and he still hasn't called. >:(
Quote from: muskrat on January 19, 2014, 11:20:25 PM
10 or 20/hour Fastwin. Yes you can get a membership but you don't need one unless you want to shoot class III guns.
So is it $10-20/hour for non-members?
Last time I went to Target Masters it was $16 range fee for all day. As in check in, shoot, leave for lunch, come back later and shoot so more and it's all under the same range fee. Which is nice.
I've doped in a long gun on the 50 yard range at TM. Had issue with my scope/mount set up, went home and fixed it and came back to finish the dial in. No extra charge. Just the one fee. I just had to tell them what I was doing and that I'd be back to finish. That's good business.
https://www.friscogunclubinc.com/range.php (https://www.friscogunclubinc.com/range.php)
Yeowsa! Thoughts on this round?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJGH7cDFw7c&app=desktop
Shotgun slugs in future developmnet :o
Gimmick.
Might be, they claim a muzzle energy of 490 ft-lbs but 96 gr at 1265 fps should yield 341 ft-lbs unless I'm missing something.
Still looks pretty nasty.
http://www.ddupleks-defence.com/en/products/shotgun-ammunition/tactical/hexolit-32s/ (http://www.ddupleks-defence.com/en/products/shotgun-ammunition/tactical/hexolit-32s/)
This outfit has been making some real interesting shotgun slugs in Europe for quite a while. They have been available off and on in the US. I have been trying to get my hands on some to test.
At the weight of the G2R bullets, they should be doing a bit better in the velocity department unless there are some factors that aren't clear. The Federal 115 +P+ hollowpoint does about 1300 - 1350 in the guns I chronographed them in. That bullet should be able to do 1400 anyway unless the solid copper has too much resistance for going down the bore. I also wonder about how well the ammo handles rough handling - if it is possible to bend or break off one of the tips. The other issue with civilian use is getting your behind sued off for using such a "horrific" bullet. It may not be the deciding factor in a trial, but its just another thing to have to fight. The Winchester black talon project was shut down over similar publicity. We have been killing each other off with conventional bullets for a long time - they still work pretty well.
Quote from: WarrenJ on January 26, 2014, 07:55:13 AM
The Winchester black talon project was shut down over similar publicity.
Ranger SXT = Same eXact Thing [laugh]
I've known Louis Awerbock for years and have taken many of his Yavapai firearms courses (shotgun and urban rifle) when they traveled to my part of the country. He is a huge fan of the defensive shotgun and really keeps up on the guns and ammo technology.
At one of the last shotgun courses I took from him (sadly years ago) he told me about a guy (I believe it was in Utah? maybe?) that had developed a really cool buckshot round that maintained all of the buckshot pellets in their cup until it struck the target. Basically it acted like a slug and could travel the normal, effective slug distances but would expand and dispurse the shot upon impact. It had high (1600 ft/sec) slug velocity and tremendous penetration. VERY lethal. [popcorn] He said you can imagine the interest from the ATF, other Fed agencies and ammo makers everywhere.
Years have passed and I have never heard it mentioned again. Louis saw them and shot them so I know they existed at one time.
Quote from: Johnny OrganDonor on January 26, 2014, 06:32:08 AM
Yeowsa! Thoughts on this round?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJGH7cDFw7c&app=desktop
Shotgun slugs in future developmnet :o
Gimmick or not that round looks mean as hell.
No lead, at least it's eco-friendly.
Quote from: fastwin on January 26, 2014, 09:30:55 AM
I've known Louis Awerbock for years and have taken many of his Yavapai firearms courses (shotgun and urban rifle) when they traveled to my part of the country. He is a huge fan of the defensive shotgun and really keeps up on the guns and ammo technology.
At one of the last shotgun courses I took from him (sadly years ago) he told me about a guy (I believe it was in Utah? maybe?) that had developed a really cool buckshot round that maintained all of the buckshot pellets in their cup until it struck the target. Basically it acted like a slug and could travel the normal, effective slug distances but would expand and dispurse the shot upon impact. It had high (1600 ft/sec) slug velocity and tremendous penetration. VERY lethal. [popcorn] He said you can imagine the interest from the ATF, other Fed agencies and ammo makers everywhere.
Years have passed and I have never heard it mentioned again. Louis saw them and shot them so I know they existed at one time.
Sounds like a commercially made wax slug?
man that RIP round works to spec, it would be great in a after SHTF world when ammo is scarce and you don't have to worry about lawers.
Trust me, there will still be lawyers even in the after life. [laugh] And considering their own promo video shows how much of the actual bullet frags off a target into uncharted space you can only imagine the potential for collateral friendly damage. Ergo... the lawyers. [popcorn] ;)
I want to see the shotgun version
Quote from: cokey on January 26, 2014, 08:30:06 PM
I want to see the shotgun version
I want to buy the 12 gauge version.
make the beast with two backs it, I want it in .22LR. At least the $80 per box of 500 would feel justified.
The video should have been narrated by Billy Mays or his replacement.
Quote from: zach on January 27, 2014, 06:06:25 AM
The video should have been narrated by Billy Mays or his replacement.
You are so right [laugh]
Posted for kopf...
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photo (http://www.flickr.com/photos/26408631@N02/12180366145/#) by nh_painter (http://www.flickr.com/people/26408631@N02/), on Flickr
^ That'll do.
Those are my favorite
:D
THAT'S what I call a firestick! ;D [thumbsup] [popcorn] Just hate to be part of the brass pick up crew. I really NEED one of those on the front of my pick up. Don't ask why. ;)
OK, had to do it. Often viewed, never boring. Just turn down the dramatic music...
Vulcan Helicopter Minigun In Action. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvvQRIxXGzA#)
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^ Nice
Looks like 9mm plinking ammo is finally becoming available again. Just ordered another two thousand rds.
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 14, 2014, 02:24:05 PM
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Nice.....I love gun porn ;D
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 14, 2014, 02:24:05 PM
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Nice iron
From another gun thread I subscribe to-
Quote from: EMS on March 10, 2014, 11:16:24 AM
The results of firing 300blk through a 5.56 barrel.
That's a projectile stretched in the center section.
Shooter was unharmed, mag blew out and gun was damaged.
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Wow! That stretch is pretty incredible! Worst I have seen yet is a .38 revolver someone loaded with .357 Mag and broke the frame.
JM
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Quote from: kopfjäger on March 14, 2014, 02:24:05 PM
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Mark 12?
Quote from: duccarlos on March 17, 2014, 06:54:23 AM
Mark 12?
No. A mark 12 is basically a M4/M16/AR-15 with some upgrades.
This rifle appears to be a bolt action.
I missed the bolt action. It still looks like an AR variant.
Quote from: duccarlos on March 17, 2014, 10:44:44 AM
I missed the bolt action. It still looks like an AR variant.
I guess because of the hand guards over the barrel
http://youtu.be/rI01qKAqYts (http://youtu.be/rI01qKAqYts)
Quote from: duccarlos on March 17, 2014, 06:54:23 AM
Mark 12?
It's a Remington 2010, it replaced the MK 13.
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[drool]
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 17, 2014, 03:57:15 PM
http://youtu.be/rI01qKAqYts (http://youtu.be/rI01qKAqYts)
WTF? make the beast with two backsing Russians.
Hey Nate,
I saw last night that guns and ammo magazine this month is a CZ special edition.
Quote from: Scooter Montgomery on March 21, 2014, 08:28:49 AM
Hey Nate,
I saw last night that guns and ammo magazine this month is a CZ special edition.
What model?
[evil]
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/be3e4481408f89684944b1fe7ca78a05.jpg)
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 21, 2014, 02:36:42 PM
[evil]
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I doubt us currently non military guys can get our hands on one of these [drool]
Quote from: Zaster on March 21, 2014, 07:27:54 PM
I doubt us currently non military guys can get our hands on one of these [drool]
You can't get your hands on it for 'just' being in the military either. ;) The 2010 I posted can be had, but not the PSR.
While cool,it is hugely expensive. I believe it is around $18k without optic for the kit. If you don't need a multi-caliber system, then you could build an AI AX chassis with a Shilen barreled action. Same look and performance for around $7k with a Thunderbeast suppressor, IR laser not included. That would be for a 300 WinMag.
Pick up an IR laser and PVS-22 from TNVC, and you would have one bad ass pig gun [evil]
Best instructor I know for long gun training. Your dollar will be well spent.
https://www.accuracy1stdg.com/ (https://www.accuracy1stdg.com/)
WarrenJ - nice!
Finally "broke" the M&P Shield in yesterday.
Let's just say "innocent bystanders in the background beware".
I really don't know what to say about this other than to say the bike at this ebay auction qualifies for this thread...
I think.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Custom-Built-Motorcycles-Other-FREE-SHIPPING-ELECTRIC-HARLEY-DAVIDSON-V-ROD-CUSTOM-MOTORCYCLE-/291094811310?forcerrptr=true&hash=item43c69a52ae&item=291094811310&pt=US_motorcycles (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Custom-Built-Motorcycles-Other-FREE-SHIPPING-ELECTRIC-HARLEY-DAVIDSON-V-ROD-CUSTOM-MOTORCYCLE-/291094811310?forcerrptr=true&hash=item43c69a52ae&item=291094811310&pt=US_motorcycles)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NLOToJNmYs&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NLOToJNmYs&feature=youtu.be)
[clap] great Zombie bike and faster than the Triumph Darrel rides in The Walking Dead
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That's sassy!
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Old pic
If you know me, you might know which one is me
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>>If you know me, you might know which one is me<<
I'm thinking you're the one with the cool hat.
Quote from: ducatiz on March 26, 2014, 05:47:03 PM
Old pic
If you know me, you might know which one is me
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The one taking the picture.
;D
Quote from: DRKWNG on March 26, 2014, 06:32:15 PM
The one taking the picture.
;D
lol nope.. i wasn't on camera duty that day
The one guy looking in the wrong direction?
i should have known!
this is a watch exercise, there's actually two guys out of the shot on my right, or viewer's left facing the other direction. this was a fairly typical setup for crowd security.
Quote from: ducatiz on March 27, 2014, 03:28:04 PM
i should have known!
this is a watch exercise, there's actually two guys out of the shot on my right, or viewer's left facing the other direction. this was a fairly typical setup for crowd security.
Amazing how many friends you have on this forum ;D [laugh] [clap]
Just got my AR and wanted to see what the experienced owners recommend for lubrication. I hear they like it wet.
Quote from: Zaster on March 28, 2014, 08:55:04 PM
Just got my AR and wanted to see what the experienced owners recommend for lubrication. I hear they like it wet.
Run a snake through it, light amount of 'earl' on the bolt.
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Quote from: kopfjäger on March 28, 2014, 09:02:09 PM
Run a snake through it, light amont of 'earl' on the bolt.
Excuse my ignorance jäger, enlighten me about the earl.
Quote from: Zaster on March 28, 2014, 09:31:13 PM
Excuse my ignorance jäger, enlighten me about the earl.
The choices for gun oil are endless. Use some type of CLP.
I've taken a liking to Eezox
I've used slick2000 (I think) in the past, but want to try out Fireclean in the future.
I've been using Strike Hold - seems to work pretty well. Headhunter is right, any of the CLP type oils work pretty well.
We had her hitting a 10" steel plate at 200yds with a 22 with red dot sight.
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[thumbsup]
Sweet!
Set them up for success early and they will only get better. [thumbsup]
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Quote from: kopfjäger on April 01, 2014, 06:04:39 PM
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;)
Do you think this guy saw what he was looking for in there?
Ron Boat Dumbest man on Earth (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZXfsACkl4U#)
Real or not my blood ran cold watching that.
Quote from: Monsterlover on April 01, 2014, 07:39:04 PM
Real or not my blood ran cold watching that.
Yeah, even if it's fake, just the thought of some dumbass doing that and having that close of a call makes me feel a little sick.
natural selection
Quote from: Rameses on April 01, 2014, 08:02:17 PM
Yeah, even if it's fake, just the thought of some dumbass doing that and having that close of a call makes me feel a little sick.
Training range last month, (not mine) female trooper holstering pistol, shoots through the thigh hits the ground ricochets into and through the ankle. As bp said natural selection or some dumbasses should never handle firearms.
2nd Chance body armor made a Kevlar holster because there were so many police AD's when holstering their pistol. Sort of treating the symptom instead of curing the problem.
made me chuckle. . too bad we can't get a red button for eliminating idiots...
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/4D4CD9E9-A520-4C00-B062-1EAC63D277A2.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/4D4CD9E9-A520-4C00-B062-1EAC63D277A2.jpg.html)
Did you buy it? I've been considering picking up a 34, but can't find one locally.
Is that the blowback type?
Quote from: DRKWNG on April 04, 2014, 04:37:55 PM
Did you buy it? I've been considering picking up a 34, but can't find one locally.
Yep, been waiting for years for them to get here.
Quote from: ducatiz on April 04, 2014, 04:57:59 PM
Is that the blowback type?
Just like their big brothers
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(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/F8F4077E-D06B-4D4D-B4F2-314618AA8954.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/F8F4077E-D06B-4D4D-B4F2-314618AA8954.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/5D87932D-6631-4B74-A045-EAD84610B209.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/5D87932D-6631-4B74-A045-EAD84610B209.jpg.html)
I thought they had just modified the G28 for import. Oh well.
Hoping they'll come out with a single stack 9mm built on that frame.
Quote from: DRKWNG on April 05, 2014, 05:49:01 AM
Hoping they'll come out with a single stack 9mm built on that frame.
Nah, get the 36.
Quote from: DRKWNG on April 05, 2014, 05:49:01 AM
Hoping they'll come out with a single stack 9mm built on that frame.
It's called a Kahr P9
We have a couple PM-9 Kahrs floating around - I like 'em a lot. They are small, light, and most importantly, I shoot them well. I personally can shoot the Kahr trigger better than I can the Glock. Lately, I've been evaluating my personal performance with a number of different handguns. Shooting for accuracy, 2-reload-2 drills, Mozambique drills, El-Pres drills, etc. Interesting results. It is far more important to determine by actual measurement, your own personal performance with the different types of equipment than thinking one piece of equipment is better than another due to its features or theoretical benefits. Shoot them side by side, measure your performance and base your decisions on how this equipment works for you. I know that a Glock 19 is a better carry gun than a Colt Defender - it holds more ammo, is extremely reliable, etc, etc. but when I shoot it side by side against my Defender - I personally perform vastly better with the Colt. Its not for lack of practice. I like both guns, but empirically, the Colt is far more effective in my hands. Your mileage WILL vary - you need to use what is most effective for you - don't let some blog or magazine article convince you differently. Measure your performance and base your decisions on what YOU shoot best.
Guns don't perform better or worse under tactical shooting drills... The shooter does. ;)
Quote from: kopfjäger on April 06, 2014, 09:24:13 AM
Guns don't perform better or worse under tactical shooting drills... The shooter does. ;)
This. Plus, work hands out Glocks, so better to master and stick with that operating system.
Don't get me wrong - I can still do an El Pres with a Glock in around 8 seconds with my hits, I just shoot tighter with the Colt. Might have something to do with several hundred thousand rounds of 45 ACP shot through 1911's over the years.
Not sure if we posted this. (?)
http://youtu.be/SQzLeOOK6K8 (http://youtu.be/SQzLeOOK6K8)
http://youtu.be/b7bKMkRqsEY (http://youtu.be/b7bKMkRqsEY)
Looks like a litigation nightmare for anyone who uses it in a self-defense scenario. Plus, the base of the round over-penetrated just a touch. I'll happily stick with my HSTs and Gold Dots.
Aww come on!!!! Who wouldn't want a prosecutor to show the jury all their cool videos during your self defense trial.
Quote from: DRKWNG on April 09, 2014, 04:44:08 PM
Looks like a litigation nightmare for anyone who uses it in a self-defense scenario. Plus, the base of the round over-penetrated just a touch. I'll happily stick with my HSTs and Gold Dots.
Quote from: WarrenJ on April 09, 2014, 05:58:33 PM
Aww come on!!!! Who wouldn't want a prosecutor to show the jury all their cool videos during your self defense trial.
We don't do litigation or prosecution...
move on
So what are everyone's thoughts on this-
http://www.gunpuck.com/index.htm (http://www.gunpuck.com/index.htm)
Enjoyed watching this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgOnKxBKnAs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgOnKxBKnAs)
I shot my first practical pistol match last Saturday. Crazy good time. Pretty sure I'm hooked. I managed to finish about two thirds the way down the score sheet, but more importantly didn't perforate anything that I shouldn't have. I'll be back next month, for certain.
For the record, I used a G23, and my own reloads.
Tank shotgun round... http://youtu.be/Cgn1nhUEgo8 (http://youtu.be/Cgn1nhUEgo8) I envy those who get to shoot this.. I pity those on the receiving end. . .
Quote from: cokey on April 24, 2014, 02:44:55 PM
Tank shotgun round... http://youtu.be/Cgn1nhUEgo8 (http://youtu.be/Cgn1nhUEgo8) I envy those who get to shoot this.. I pity those on the receiving end. . .
Maybe I could hit a few rabbit sporting clays with that, liked the shock wave.
This is my 4th holster, and my first attempt at using an exotic. It isn't completed yet. I still have to skin the belt loops with stingray, punch the snap holes, and attach the DOT snaps. I'm pretty damn happy with how it is turning out [beer]
(http://catie.smugmug.com/photos/i-8HZLd64/0/M/i-8HZLd64-M.jpg)
(http://catie.smugmug.com/photos/i-PFvZMTM/0/M/i-PFvZMTM-M.jpg)
(http://catie.smugmug.com/photos/i-4QwvgLx/0/M/i-4QwvgLx-M.jpg)
(http://catie.smugmug.com/photos/i-f4RTptN/1/L/i-f4RTptN-L.jpg)
Pretty fancy. Stingray makes some cool looking skins.
Call It "Irwins Revenge"
[bacon]
Quote from: zach on May 08, 2014, 06:31:15 PM
This is my 4th holster, and my first attempt at using an exotic. It isn't completed yet. I still have to skin the belt loops with stingray, punch the snap holes, and attach the DOT snaps. I'm pretty damn happy with how it is turning out [beer]
(http://catie.smugmug.com/photos/i-8HZLd64/0/M/i-8HZLd64-M.jpg)
(http://catie.smugmug.com/photos/i-PFvZMTM/0/M/i-PFvZMTM-M.jpg)
(http://catie.smugmug.com/photos/i-4QwvgLx/0/M/i-4QwvgLx-M.jpg)
(http://catie.smugmug.com/photos/i-f4RTptN/1/L/i-f4RTptN-L.jpg)
[laugh]
[laugh]
Interesting comparison of gun care products.
http://forums.outdoorsdirectory.com/showthread.php/141077-Results-of-gun-care-product-evaluation (http://forums.outdoorsdirectory.com/showthread.php/141077-Results-of-gun-care-product-evaluation)
Wow, DP that looks thorough.
Here is some nice leatherwork.
http://www.custommade.com/by/alamocustomleather/ (http://www.custommade.com/by/alamocustomleather/)
Shame he didn't include fireclean.
Wow. Thorough.
Even if fireclean was missing.
Quote from: DRKWNG on May 31, 2014, 06:28:29 AM
Shame he didn't include fireclean.
He says he may do another test with the top finishers and some new products.
You should join that forum and suggest fireclean.
I think I'm going to pick up some froglube.
I have some frog lube. I'm going to try it and report back.
I've used slick2000 in the past, but planned to move over to froglube. That is until everyone starting singing praise be to Jesus for fireclean. Picked up some FC but haven't applied it yet.
I've been using Hoppes, it looked like it did ok even if not a top finisher.
JM
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Speaking of AK type ammo, I'm heading for my farm tomorrow to do a little "farm work"... some of which will take place on my little shooting range. Got some new pistols to break in and some scoped rifles to dope in. Just put a GG&G quick release scope/optic mount (unbelievably nice, like all their stuff [thumbsup]) on my Serb AK and need to dial in the Trijicon Reflex with ARMS qr mount that's on it. Also have some miles to put on my scoped M1A, and a cheap, back up Sun Optic red dot on an AR. That's my kind of "farm work"... just me, some good cigars and guns and nobody but the cows at the dairy farm down the road to complain about the noise.
Anyone ever purchase from Buds Guns .com?
I haven't, but from reading on various forums the experience is generally positive.
I've heard of Buds but I've never ordered anything from them.
Did just order some small steel auto-reset pistol targets from Challenge Targets. Sort of like mini Pepper Poppers that are spring loaded. Small and easily moved around. About half their length is a metal stake that you push, stomp or hammer into the ground. I've been eyeing them for a while. They'll make a nice addition to the Artzen steel targets and rimfire swingers I have at the farm. I'll give a report when they show up and I have a chance to knock some paint off them.
Just placed an order.
I'll let you know how it goes.
Finished this today.
(http://catie.smugmug.com/photos/i-jZjJ2bm/0/L/i-jZjJ2bm-L.jpg)
Wow! Z, that's really nice. Well done, lots of talent right there. [thumbsup] Me likey. [drink]
Hope you guys are doing well. Looks like you're spending your time being productive and creative. Any plans to make any outside the waist band models?
Quote from: fastwin on June 06, 2014, 05:49:08 AM
Wow! Z, that's really nice. Well done, lots of talent right there. [thumbsup] Me likey. [drink]
Hope you guys are doing well. Looks like you're spending your time being productive and creative. Any plans to make any outside the waist band models?
Thanks man! Doing well here [beer] I just roughed out a pancake drawing actually [thumbsup] It is for a 4" 1911. I made one for the Glock a few weeks ago. I'll get photos up tonight.
Cool. Yea, get some photos up and show it off.
Kydex stuff is great and all but there is just something awesome about hand made leather anything. Don't care if it's a saddle, one piece leathers or a holster/belt. Cows were put here for a reason and the steak and burger part is just a side benefit. [laugh]
looks good [thumbsup]
Make sure you make a pink one to match your shoes :P
Here ya go Fastwin, a fake alligator OWB ;D I'm making one for a Walther PPQ right now (no fake alligator on this one.) It is drying. I'll get pics up when it is done.
(http://catie.smugmug.com/photos/i-wFtnzns/0/L/i-wFtnzns-L.jpg)
Quote from: muskrat on June 06, 2014, 07:45:19 AM
looks good [thumbsup]
Make sure you make a pink one to match your shoes :P
I have a nice powder blue that you would LOVE...
(http://catie.smugmug.com/photos/i-jdDMRpF/0/XL/i-jdDMRpF-XL.jpg)
(http://catie.smugmug.com/photos/i-PRrkVr4/0/L/i-PRrkVr4-L.jpg)
The holster isn't finished yet. Just out of the oven. Still have to buff it, another coat of dye, then seal.
For those of us not in the know, can you give a basic rundown on the build process? And how that impression gets made and stays in that form. I read something about an oven...
Quote from: Monsterlover on June 06, 2014, 05:36:12 PM
For those of us not in the know, can you give a basic rundown on the build process? And how that impression gets made and stays in that form. I read something about an oven...
Sure [thumbsup] Hopefully this will give you a rough idea.
Step 1: Draw the pattern. I start by tracing a belt, then placing the unloaded weapon on the paper at the carry angle that I prefer. I then just start scribbling lines and erasing until I get the shape I'm going for.
Step 2: Trace the newly drawn pattern on to the cow. I use 9 oz shoulder. I then use a round knife to cut it out.
Step 3: Glue, dye, then stamp/carve whatever pattern I want.
Step 4: Sew
Step 5: Form the holster. I soak it for 30 seconds in hot water. I take the unloaded weapon (which I've wrapped in plastic wrap,) and slowly work it into the holster. It will be tight. After it is in, I use my fingers to work in the details of the weapon. I then use something smooth, like a sharpie, to add more detail. After I am happy, I remove the weapon and bake the holster in the kitchen oven for 45 minutes at 180 degrees. This dries and hardens the leather.
Step 6: I let it dry out over night in front of a fan, then add any finishing touches and sealing with some sort of waterproofing.
Sweet!
Quote from: zach on June 06, 2014, 05:58:59 PM
Sure [thumbsup] Hopefully this will give you a rough idea.
Step 1: Draw the pattern. I start by tracing a belt, then placing the unloaded weapon on the paper at the carry angle that I prefer. I then just start scribbling lines and erasing until I get the shape I'm going for.
Step 2: Trace the newly drawn pattern on to the cow. I use 9 oz shoulder. I then use a round knife to cut it out.
Step 3: Glue, dye, then stamp/carve whatever pattern I want.
Step 4: Sew
Step 5: Form the holster. I soak it for 30 seconds in hot water. I take the unloaded weapon (which I've wrapped in plastic wrap,) and slowly work it into the holster. It will be tight. After it is in, I use my fingers to work in the details of the weapon. I then use something smooth, like a sharpie, to add more detail. After I am happy, I remove the weapon and bake the holster in the kitchen oven for 45 minutes at 180 degrees. This dries and hardens the leather.
Step 6: I let it dry out over night in front of a fan, then add any finishing touches and sealing with some sort of waterproofing.
Really nice work!
I've recently been playing with kydex. Mainly for sheaths. All the forums I've read recommend using the "blue guns" to form the holsters. Applicable for leather?
Quote from: rgramjet on June 06, 2014, 07:19:55 PM
Really nice work!
I've recently been playing with kydex. Mainly for sheaths. All the forums I've read recommend using the "blue guns" to form the holsters. Applicable for leather?
Thanks!
Very applicable. I plan on buying some of the red mold guns. They have the trigger area filled part way so you do not mold in too deep, and also have the area between the sights filled in.
I want them so I can bake the holsters with the guns still in. I also wouldn't have to break the gun down and clean/oil do to the moisture.
this is interesting, can't wait for it to come out in .40
http://rare.us/story/this-is-the-last-bullet-youll-ever-need-watch-and-see-the-technology-for-yourself/ (http://rare.us/story/this-is-the-last-bullet-youll-ever-need-watch-and-see-the-technology-for-yourself/)
That bullet hasn't done as well in independent testing as it did in the manufacturer's.
Imagine that.
i am curious how it does with armor.
if it cuts as it seems to, that would defeat body armor and therefore it gets reclassified since it's pistol ammo.
The order I placed with Buds Guns.com came in.
It arrived when it was supposed to.
It was a good price.
And I would buy from them again.
If anyone is looking for a holster, a local friend of mine has started making holsters with his brother.
http://www.secondamendmenthybrids.com/ (http://www.secondamendmenthybrids.com/)
The holsters are a hybrid leather and kydex.
Quote from: The Orange Architect on June 11, 2014, 12:11:33 PM
If anyone is looking for a holster, a local friend of mine has started making holsters with his brother.
http://www.secondamendmenthybrids.com/ (http://www.secondamendmenthybrids.com/)
The holsters are a hybrid leather and kydex.
you mean... leather.. made... from ..his brother...? eeeyew
Quote from: ducatiz on June 11, 2014, 01:34:36 PM
you mean... leather.. made... from ..his brother...? eeeyew
You know family; can't live with them, can't live without them but you can keep them at your hip. ;D
Quote from: The Orange Architect on June 11, 2014, 12:07:22 PM
The order I placed with Buds Guns.com came in.
It arrived when it was supposed to.
It was a good price.
And I would buy from them again.
So what'd you get?
Quote from: ducpainter on June 11, 2014, 03:20:18 PM
So what'd you get?
S & We Bodyguard 380. With a laser.
How's the price of .380 these days?
Quote from: The Orange Architect on June 12, 2014, 03:44:22 AM
S & We Bodyguard 380. With a laser.
A laser, you say?
(http://www.smarterwebstrategies.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/dr-evil.jpg)
Quote from: ducatiz on June 12, 2014, 04:30:57 AM
A laser, you say?
(http://www.smarterwebstrategies.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/dr-evil.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh7bYNAHXxw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh7bYNAHXxw)
Quote from: ducpainter on June 12, 2014, 03:46:22 AM
How's the price of .380 these days?
[thumbsdown] [thumbsdown]
Not good.
But I don't plan on using it a lot.
At least you can now find .380 and yes, it's a little pricey compared to the old days... but what isn't? About the time Ruger came out with their sweet little .380 LCP you couldn't find a box or a single round of .380. It was right at the beginning of the ammo freak out/shortage. I should have sold all my .380 back then, I could have paid off the mortgage on my house! [laugh]
The same dilema is still happening with good old fashioned .38 spl ammo. I love my wheelguns and tend to plink with 130grn hardball .38 spl instead of expensive/hard to find .357 mag. But it is really hard to find and it too is priced way too high for what it is. Found some bulk/value packages of Blazer brass 125grn FMJ hardball .38 spl at my local Gander Mountain. 250 rounds per box for $89.00. Normal price was $119.00 so that was a $30 savings and they had all I could carry home. None of that box limit they impose when ever you buy .22lr these days.
I can find 380. 38 hasn't been a problem.
22 is nonexistent.
I think things will change soon.
http://www.ammoland.com/2014/06/a-crash-in-ammunition-prices-is-coming/#axzz34EVoJyMz (http://www.ammoland.com/2014/06/a-crash-in-ammunition-prices-is-coming/#axzz34EVoJyMz)
if the article is too political let me know and I'll delete it.
;D
A link is fine.
Just don't bring the discussion into the thread. ;)
I'm anti varmint and I vote.
http://www.cci-ammunition.com/game/default.htm (http://www.cci-ammunition.com/game/default.htm)
Quote from: WarrenJ on January 13, 2014, 05:27:55 PM
I've had the opportunity to play with the BAR and the FN - both pretty fun guns. In that class of gun, my favorite that I had the opportunity to shoot was the British Bren Gun. Goofy top mounted mag and offset sights, but super controllable and accurate.
So in your opinion the Bren is the best?
GK
Quote from: GK on July 01, 2014, 01:15:53 AM
So in your opinion the Bren is the best?
GK
they sure feed well, but the top mag kills natural style sighting. lots of parallax issues.
Robinson Arms made a top fed squad gun for a while, don't know if they still make it.
Cool gadget.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKldy2YNAHk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKldy2YNAHk)
Actually, a couple of cool gadgets - the Tracking Point "Smart Rifle" and the integration with the remote Android viewer.
http://youtu.be/NguwoQ6BnFA (http://youtu.be/NguwoQ6BnFA)
Holy make the beast with two backs balls!
I was kind of waiting to see if he'd misstep and face plant.
Quote from: kopfjäger on July 06, 2014, 10:46:38 AM
http://youtu.be/NguwoQ6BnFA (http://youtu.be/NguwoQ6BnFA)
yes, but did he get a good workout?
That video's a fake.
Everybody knows bullets won't fly from a treadmill.
Quote from: ducatiz on July 07, 2014, 08:33:58 AM
yes, but did he get a good workout?
Hell yeah, he did.
Just listen to how winded he is after walking for a full, solid minute.
Hey gun folks, question here:
My father is moving in conjunction with retirement and is clearing out a bunch of stuff in his house. One item he is probably going to get rid of is an old rifle---old as in it requires a ramrod to load. It belonged to his grandfather I think so I'd like to keep it since it's a family heirloom.
Anyway, I'm curious if I take this off his hands will I need a permit or some other form of state registration. I live in NYC where gun laws are pretty strict I believe.
Obviously, I have to know more about the rifle itself, but I did some preliminary research and it looks like it may qualify as an "antique firearm" according to the ATF:
https://www.atf.gov/content/what-qualifies-antique-firearm (https://www.atf.gov/content/what-qualifies-antique-firearm)
And the antique section of the NRA-New York site seems to suggest no permit is needed if unloaded:
http://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/state-laws/new-york.aspx (http://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/state-laws/new-york.aspx)
Just wanted to ask you more knowledgeable folks out there if I'm interpreting this right or if there is maybe something I'm not considering?
Sounds like a black powder muzzle loader.
Under federal law, that's not a firearm.
In ny, you only have to worry about nyc.
Check out this drawing I got to quote. . .
(http://s27.postimg.org/jxp1qnzb7/Baffle1.png)
I don't think I'm going to quote it, but it's cool and somewhat familiar looking. . .
You know what you should do?
Quote from: Monsterlover on August 06, 2014, 08:38:02 AM
Check out this drawing I got to quote. . .
(http://s27.postimg.org/jxp1qnzb7/Baffle1.png)
I don't think I'm going to quote it, but it's cool and somewhat familiar looking. . .
as long as it can't be attached to anything, you can make all you want.
Quote from: ducatiz on August 06, 2014, 01:27:35 PM
as long as it can't be attached to anything, you can make all you want.
I know. I just thought it was cool.
What's out there that fires a 1.5" round [evil]
Quote from: Monsterlover on August 06, 2014, 07:57:00 PM
I know. I just thought it was cool.
What's out there that fires a 1.5" round [evil]
French antitank gun. 37mm
(http://i559.photobucket.com/albums/ss33/steve5084/052.jpg)
Soooo, I got a little NFA/class III happy this month! I may have a "problem" ;D. I have bought:
.22 specter
Ti-rant 45
Saker 762
Form 1 for an SBR build (JRC 45 carbine)
pre ordered a Silencerco Salvo 12 (BAD ASS!)
bought 4 hosts: JM pro 12 ga shotgun, Ruger American Rimfire, Ruger SR-22 and a Rem 700 in 300 Blackout.
all this on top of a custom Pink Ruger 10/22 build for my daughter (when she is of age to learn). My name is Ducrider 45 and I am an addict. [beer] ;D
My guy just ordered 250,000 rds of 22lr! I cant wait for it to show up! [drool]
I found a Romanian AK for sale with 1,000 rounds that has never been fired. I'm doing my best to not throw money at the guy.
JM
Does anyone have a Speer #11 manual? If so, would you mind looking up the load data for a #4013 125 gr JHP with HP38?
I need the min and max powder and COL.
Thanks
Quote from: Cicero on August 08, 2014, 03:10:34 PM
Does anyone have a Speer #11 manual? If so, would you mind looking up the load data for a #4013 125 gr JHP with HP38?
I need the min and max powder and COL.
Thanks
Hodgdon lists 4.4 min and 4.8 max at 1.090 for a Sierra 125 gr FMJ with HP-38
No Speer manual...sorry.
Quote from: ducpainter on August 08, 2014, 03:33:41 PM
Hodgdon lists 4.4 min and 4.8 max at 1.090 for a Sierra 125 gr FMJ with HP-38
No Speer manual...sorry.
Thanks Nate. On my load box I have my last load listed as 5.0. (Which I had loaded using a borrowed #11) It has been a year since I loaded, and my notes are not the best. I would prefer not to blow up my gun. [laugh]
Speer has pulled HP38 loads with that bullet in #14.
Lawyers ruin all the fun.
Just breaking in a new Cooper 204 and thought I'd show how it compares to my 17hmr so far.
204 on the left and 17hmr on the right make a nice pair for varmints.
(http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k445/majmontana/Coopers1_zps5ea9f368.jpg)
(http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k445/majmontana/Coopers2_zpsc35d84da.jpg)
4-shot groups at 100 yds. with factory loads. Top sheet - 6 groups for the 204 (definite shooter flinch on target 2). Second sheet - 5 groups from 17hmr while 204 was cooling between mags. Then shot up a box 17hmr on the bottom sheet - 4-round groups in targets 1,2, & 3; 14 rounds into targets 4 & 5; and 10 rounds into target 6.
(http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k445/majmontana/17vs204Groups_zps79980f95.jpg)
So far, I've just been shooting 32gr factory VMax. The 204 is a game model and a repeater but I was still expecting better 100yd groups - 4-shot groups run from 3/8" to 3/4" pretty consistently (seen a few 1" groups too). I've been cleaning the bore a lot so I don't know if it settles in with fouling and I've maybe been overly cautious to not overheat the barrel. I'm no bench-rest shooter so I'm sure that I'm the limiting factor. Hand loads and better marksmanship should improve the precision over those groups. I want to slip it into a lead sled on a windless day sometime to see what it'll do. I'm happy with the limited shooting I've done at longer distances with the 204 - I can hit the range gong at 420 yds any time I want (wind permitting).
The 17hmr still really impresses me though. Inside of 100 yds (maybe even 125), I'd go with either gun for gophers. The 17 is a bit more fun and I like it's limited range around livestock. I can put lots of rounds through it and it'll shoot well whether it's clean or dirty or cool or hot.
that's a nice looking pair [drool]
My "problem" got worse. I ordered an AR lower and a 10" barrel for a 300 Blackout SBR build. ;D
So. . .
tell me about the Ruger Super Blackhawk .44 magnum.
My father in law came into one from another family member and it's pretty sweet.
Been spending some time at the range. Desperately need a new trigger for the lr308 (damn the stock one sucks), but can consistently hit a pumpkin at 300 so I guess anything else is luxury. Spent more on lego kits for the kid then a new trigger…. priorities. Her .22 bolt action could use a new trigger too. hmmmm…
I posted my Colt King Cobra on VA Gun Trader for $1000 and it sold in 5 minutes.
People are nuts. They are selling on GB for around 1500-2000 for perfect specimen. Mine is VG+/EXC.
Haven't fired it in 8 years. Time to move it out.
Colt revolvers bring a premium. Wish I had never sold the Anaconda I had.
Quote from: Monsterlover on August 25, 2014, 09:59:01 AM
So. . .
tell me about the Ruger Super Blackhawk .44 magnum.
My father in law came into one from another family member and it's pretty sweet.
I'm a Ruger fan. I'm a bit biases. So I'll have someone else review it for you.
44 Magnum Ruger Super Blackhawk Hunter: http://youtu.be/C965aF0y3EU (http://youtu.be/C965aF0y3EU)
Quote from: The Architect on August 26, 2014, 04:32:46 AM
I'm a Ruger fan. I'm a bit biases. So I'll have someone else review it for you.
44 Magnum Ruger Super Blackhawk Hunter: http://youtu.be/C965aF0y3EU (http://youtu.be/C965aF0y3EU)
Now I really want to go shoot this thing!
I told myself I wasn't going to buy another gun until next year but I'm realizing I need a big revolver.
Picked up a stainless CVA Wolf .50 caliber muzzleloader this evening. Got a deal I couldn't resist. 22" barrel, very light little "brush gun". Break open action and toolless breach plug removal will make it a pleasure to maintain.
My Knight and 700ml required 2 lbs worth of tools to pull the bolt/plug.
Anyone want to buy a Knight or 700ml?
Quote from: rgramjet on August 28, 2014, 08:27:23 PM
Picked up a stainless CVA Wolf .50 caliber muzzleloader this evening. Got a deal I couldn't resist. 22" barrel, very light little "brush gun". Break open action and toolless breach plug removal will make it a pleasure to maintain.
My Knight and 700ml required 2 lbs worth of tools to pull the bolt/plug.
Anyone want to buy a Knight or 700ml?
muzzler for a brush gun?
hmm.. that's what I have an SKS for. Never thought it would be practical to have a single shot muzzler for a brush gun.
Quote from: ducatiz on August 31, 2014, 06:53:30 AM
muzzler for a brush gun?
hmm.. that's what I have an SKS for. Never thought it would be practical to have a single shot muzzler for a brush gun.
Its short, very light and very easy to carry.
During rifle season I love hunting with my Marlin 1895g, 18.5" barrel, 45/70.
This little muzzloader will do well in the bush.
I just can't see a single shot anything as a brush gun. Lever, hell year. Any kind of repeater.
I like the SKS because it has a nice heavy projectile and is fine for moderate range. The Chinesium one that I have is very accurate, no weirdness with the sights or barrel. Easily nail squirrels at 150m with just the right amount of drop. Not much left of the squirrel. Good riddance.
My muzzleloader options for hunting the thick stuff are few. I will only use the CVA for black powder season and occasional target practice. This one felt "brushy" in that it is small and quick to point. Now, if they just made a short, muzzleloader repeater, I'd be in business! [beer]
Quote from: rgramjet on September 02, 2014, 02:48:18 PM
My muzzleloader options for hunting the thick stuff are few. I will only use the CVA for black powder season and occasional target practice. This one felt "brushy" in that it is small and quick to point. Now, if they just made a short, muzzleloader repeater, I'd be in business! [beer]
They do...
(http://media.midwayusa.com/productimages/880x660/Primary/953/953643.jpg)
That gives me an idea! Its black powder but not a muzzle loader.
Quote from: rgramjet on September 03, 2014, 08:15:11 PM
That gives me an idea! Its black powder but not a muzzle loader.
Yeah, not exactly a muzzle loader, but you do stuff it from the front..
I never served so maybe this is old hat to you military guys, but I found this list amazing. We are really living in the future. The XM25 is pretty crazy how the grenades guide themselves and PHASR rifle is pretty much out straight of a video game.
http://www.businessinsider.com/11-unbelievable-weapons-that-only-america-has-2014-9?op=1 (http://www.businessinsider.com/11-unbelievable-weapons-that-only-america-has-2014-9?op=1)
Put some Dawson Precision sights on my 42. Fiber optic front.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/b6ab8b3ace4f2f2e4e21a111fc1c76ae.jpg)
I've been busy on a few builds. I built a Tactical Solutions X-Ring target rifle to match our Ruger 10/22 USA Shooting Team race rifle. I also built my first AR. It is an10" AR-15 chambered in 300 Blackout. I have a Silenserco Saker 762 in purgatory.
(http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/ducrider45/IMG_1618_zps9fcd9fad.jpg)
(http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/ducrider45/IMG_16761_zps28958cce.jpg)
I'm looking for a 20ga side by side with dual triggers. It will have to have at least a 24" barrel and I prefer a standard pistol grip stock. I intend to use this as a shooter, field grade is ok. I think my budget is going to be $1200. Any suggestions on what to look for?
Quote from: ducrider45 on September 30, 2014, 07:22:06 AM
I'm looking for a 20ga side by side with dual triggers. It will have to have at least a 24" barrel and I prefer a standard pistol grip stock. I intend to use this as a shooter, field grade is ok. I think my budget is going to be $1200. Any suggestions on what to look for?
http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-bobwhite-20-26-5-choke-tubes/ (http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-bobwhite-20-26-5-choke-tubes/)
Made by Huglu in Turkey.
Most CZ branded products give a good bang for the buck.
edit...just remembered it isn't a standard pistol grip...still worth a look. ;)
Is time just standing still?!!!
It isn't shipping fast enough!!!
(http://www.colt.com/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=PWqit_vg0no%3d&tabid=155&portalid=0&mid=873)
No Polyticks!!
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_r5fjV0ZevZM/TC1CH3JvgsI/AAAAAAAAACI/-rFpRVawj1w/s1600/Old_man_with_cane.gif)
Quote from: ducatiz on September 30, 2014, 08:19:03 PM
No Polyticks!!
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_r5fjV0ZevZM/TC1CH3JvgsI/AAAAAAAAACI/-rFpRVawj1w/s1600/Old_man_with_cane.gif)
Is this a rendering of Nate? ;D
More a representation of how the rest of us will feel if you get the gun thread locked
Quote from: Monsterlover on October 02, 2014, 01:33:51 AM
More a representation of how the rest of us will feel if you get the gun thread locked
And he'll be under the cane
(http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq65/trisprefect/tumblr_l4lpvzn1TE1qamgw7.gif)
Gun content:
Who can say what happened to these?
(http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb264/nwilliams27/Robinson%20Arms%20M96/M96-7.jpg)
My apologies if anyone was offended by the picture I posted, I deleted it not to disturb the peace and tranquility.
What gun was that?
Quote from: GK on October 06, 2014, 12:55:46 AM
What gun was that?
Robinson Arms M96 Bren configuration.
The pistol I posted above has grown up into a fine SBR. Form 1 tax stamps are only taking 4 to 5 weeks with ATF e-file (must use a trust)!
300 Blackout.
(http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/ducrider45/IMG_18561_zps7c77a000.jpg)
Quote from: ducpainter on September 30, 2014, 07:30:22 AM
http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-bobwhite-20-26-5-choke-tubes/ (http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-bobwhite-20-26-5-choke-tubes/)
Made by Huglu in Turkey.
Most CZ branded products give a good bang for the buck.
edit...just remembered it isn't a standard pistol grip...still worth a look. ;)
My local shop just picked up CZ as a line they stock. Its a nice gun, but Im stuck on the pistol grip stock. I might just get a 12ga. and keep it simple.
Quote from: ducrider45 on October 23, 2014, 09:04:18 PM
The pistol I posted above has grown up into a fine SBR. Form 1 tax stamps are only taking 4 to 5 weeks with ATF e-file (must use a trust)!
300 Blackout.
(http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/ducrider45/IMG_18561_zps7c77a000.jpg)
Nice. I have a Daewoo that I want to get the barrel chopped. I like a folding butt, never loved the CAR butt (even though they've made a lot of improvements..)
Me and my new KSG!!! My girlfriend bought it for me yesterday. :)
(http://i1173.photobucket.com/albums/r594/Adamm0621/Facebook/Mobile%20Uploads/10501876_10203142219500420_4118241142799654909_n.jpg)
She just started doing this. Any ideas?
http://vid433.photobucket.com/albums/qq53/montey2005/D2BC4D64-BA8D-4D7F-A292-52F82269CC15_zpsjng2npmr.mp4 (http://vid433.photobucket.com/albums/qq53/montey2005/D2BC4D64-BA8D-4D7F-A292-52F82269CC15_zpsjng2npmr.mp4)
I get an error message saying the file is corrupt.
Just modified the link, try it now.
http://vid433.photobucket.com/albums/qq53/montey2005/D2BC4D64-BA8D-4D7F-A292-52F82269CC15_zpsjng2npmr.mp4 (http://vid433.photobucket.com/albums/qq53/montey2005/D2BC4D64-BA8D-4D7F-A292-52F82269CC15_zpsjng2npmr.mp4)
Same
Both work on my phone
don't know what else to do about the video. Basically what is happening with my 92FS, 9 mm, is that the decocking function (safety) is not releasing the hammer safely when the gun is loaded. The way it functions is that it moves the firing pin away so when you push the safety lever it doesn't hit the firing pin. I can shoot it with the safety on, hammer back of course, but only one shot.
How many rounds through this pistol, and have you done anything to it?
Quote from: muskrat on November 06, 2014, 05:45:38 AM
don't know what else to do about the video. Basically what is happening with my 92FS, 9 mm, is that the decocking function (safety) is not releasing the hammer safely when the gun is loaded. The way it functions is that it moves the firing pin away so when you push the safety lever it doesn't hit the firing pin. I can shoot it with the safety on, hammer back of course, but only one shot.
safety sear is worn down. take it to a smith.
I've shot more than 1,000 rounds. I agree with going to a Gunsmith. [bang]
Quote from: muskrat on November 06, 2014, 08:24:37 AM
I've shot more than 1,000 rounds. I agree with going to a Gunsmith. [bang]
If in fact the decocker lever, or the sear, is worn after only ~1K rounds...
trade it for something else.
Never seen that on a Beretta with far more rounds fired than that. Tons of broken locking blocks, but never a worn out sear. Like what's already been said, take it to the shop.
How dare you suggest I rid myself of one of my Italian ladies? [cheeky]
Now to find a reputable gunsmith.
Just picked up a new Remington 700 SPS Tactical chambered in .308. Now I'm just waiting for the scope I want to come back in stock. :)
(http://i1173.photobucket.com/albums/r594/Adamm0621/IMG_3073.jpg) (http://s1173.photobucket.com/user/Adamm0621/media/IMG_3073.jpg.html)
Nice. Have fun working that scope in. Very nice platform.
Holland & Holland - Shotgun Porn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUXoNUzAyvk
Quote from: Adamm0621 on November 15, 2014, 02:12:48 PM
Just picked up a new Remington 700 SPS Tactical chambered in .308. Now I'm just waiting for the scope I want to come back in stock. :)
(http://i1173.photobucket.com/albums/r594/Adamm0621/IMG_3073.jpg) (http://s1173.photobucket.com/user/Adamm0621/media/IMG_3073.jpg.html)
Which scope?
Quote from: Johnny OrganDonor on November 17, 2014, 11:38:38 AM
Holland & Holland - Shotgun Porn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUXoNUzAyvk
Oh baby, Oh Baby, Oh!!! [thumbsup]
When in London, touring the factory is a must.
http://youtu.be/4g5p6b-ZZ5Y (http://youtu.be/4g5p6b-ZZ5Y)
Quote from: kopfjäger on November 18, 2014, 08:14:56 PM
http://youtu.be/4g5p6b-ZZ5Y (http://youtu.be/4g5p6b-ZZ5Y)
Seen quite a few Call of Duty/Costa dudes. I probably look like the N00b.
Missing the target for some unknown reason? Just reload and keep shooting.
(http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k445/majmontana/esPUmZo_zps178e20d9.jpg)
http://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/2ln4a3/the_best_way_to_clear_a_squib (http://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/2ln4a3/the_best_way_to_clear_a_squib)
that canNOT be real
that many 357 slugs in a barrel?
either that barrel is made of adamantium or that's just a demo
Don't know, it's not mine ???. Could be a demo but I read some posts (on the internet ;)) saying it really happened "at the range."
Best comment on clearing a squib from the link: "well yeah, you're obviously supposed to use a bigger round like .308 or 30.06 to push them out. it also helps if you simultaneously help suck it from the other end."
Quote from: Johnny OrganDonor on November 19, 2014, 08:15:48 AM
"well yeah, you're obviously supposed to use a bigger round like .308 or 30.06 to push them out. it also helps if you simultaneously help suck it from the other end."
[laugh] [laugh]
My uneducated guess would be maybe if the bullets were 1/8th load or maybe the gun powder got wet and fail to ignite somehow? The shooter should have notice a large difference in the sound though. There's no way that all those rounds went down the barrel with full force anyway. Like everything on the internet though, trust nothing.
Quote from: ducatiz on November 19, 2014, 08:02:57 AM
that canNOT be real
that many 357 slugs in a barrel?
either that barrel is made of adamantium or that's just a demo hoax
All fixed
Quote from: rgramjet on November 17, 2014, 03:52:56 PM
Which scope?
Here's the scope I bought:
https://www.primaryarms.com/Primary_Arms_4_14X44_FFP_Scope_with_308_p/pa4-14xffp308.htm (https://www.primaryarms.com/Primary_Arms_4_14X44_FFP_Scope_with_308_p/pa4-14xffp308.htm)
The scope is a 4-14x44 FFP Mil/Mil scope with an illuminated BDC reticle for .308. The scope has hold-offs for wind, leads for moving targets, the ability to range targets, and good old fashioned mil-dots if you want to use your own dope. All for under $300.
I'm a big fan of Primary Arms... Great products, fast shipping, and excellent customer service. Their glass may be Chinese, but it has gotten nothing but stellar reviews. I bought one of their $80 red-dots recently and was blown away by the fit, finish, and functionality of it. An Aimpoint T1 costs $500 more, but is maybe only $100 better than the red-dot I purchased from PA.
They came back into stock on Friday, so I'll have my scope on Monday. Once I get it set up, I'll snap some pics, and I'll have a range report ASAP.
no can do unless it is life time warranty.
Anybody mess with one of the new Taurus Curve pistols yet?
Quote from: Speedbag on November 26, 2014, 10:12:06 AM
Anybody mess with one of the new Taurus Curve pistols yet?
I don't think those are hitting the market until springtime.
As an Aussie, I'm amazed at what you guys can buy.
Amazed and jealous! Lol!
New kydex for my 42.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/6be44809abcd7b1390b023d42c6977b6.jpg)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/04dd633c1255381dd5aa545a8204ae45.jpg)
Why did you get pink? [evil]
I figured. ;D
He calls it blood red.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/4e7e1ccd5be57a58720663399c78ea84.jpg)
It doesn't look like it on the 'puter, but I'm sure it's different in person.
I'm just givin' you shit anyway...
you know that.
Quote from: ducpainter on December 04, 2014, 02:00:14 PM
It doesn't look like it on the 'puter, but I'm sure it's different in person.
I'm just givin' you shit anyway...
you know that.
Duh.... ;)
Someone has to do it. :-*
;D
Quote from: DRKWNG on December 04, 2014, 03:52:51 PM
;D
Laugh mothermake the beast with two backser...
I can see new member status coming for someone. [evil]
:-*
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z53/b_upton/Guns/photo-1.jpg) (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/b_upton/media/Guns/photo-1.jpg.html)
Quote from: DRKWNG on December 04, 2014, 04:18:27 PM
:-*
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z53/b_upton/Guns/photo-1.jpg) (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/b_upton/media/Guns/photo-1.jpg.html)
JABR
Need some info
I wanna gun
Why...I kinda like Michelle.
She's kinda anti firearms, even more so than anti motorcycle.
I did however register to win a cool ar15.
Quote from: Grampa on December 04, 2014, 04:33:50 PM
I did however register to win a cool ar15.
With a 10 rnd mag?
Quote from: Grampa on December 04, 2014, 04:33:08 PM
Why...I kinda like Michelle.
She's kinda anti firearms, even more so than anti motorcycle.
I like her too...
No mag allowed... You can only look at it here... Not use it [laugh]
That definitely ain't true, my boy has been teaching a ton of courses on the wrong coast.
We'll have to tread lightly here about 'legalities'.
There are friendlier places than Kali.
There are. I spent Thanksgiving up in NJ, and went shooting with the girlfriend's dad while her and her mom were out doing their thing. Wasn't quite as much fun having to stop and reload mags after just ten rounds.
His first IPSC match out there had more shooters than any previous down here in the south.
Quote from: GK on November 29, 2014, 10:02:43 PM
As an Aussie, I'm amazed at what you guys can buy.
Amazed and jealous! Lol!
Yeah. I always wanted an AIA M10 in 762x39 but could never find one
(http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/aia-ad-compressed.jpg)
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 04, 2014, 04:50:14 PM
That definitely ain't true, my boy has been teaching a ton of courses on the wrong coast.
Wife law...not Jerry's rules.
Quote from: Grampa on December 04, 2014, 06:09:44 PM
Wife law...not Jerry's rules.
The dicktatorship of the mammary.
Quote from: ducatiz on December 06, 2014, 07:58:31 AM
The dicktatorship of the mammary.
(http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn127/zaster99/smiley-rofl1.gif) (http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn127/zaster99/smiley-rofl1.gif) (http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn127/zaster99/smiley-rofl1.gif)
Boobies...duh ;)
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 04, 2014, 12:09:09 PM
New kydex for my 42.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/6be44809abcd7b1390b023d42c6977b6.jpg)
Doesn't anyone buy leather holsters anymore?
Quote from: SDRider on December 07, 2014, 07:06:58 AM
Doesn't anyone buy leather holsters anymore?
Sure they do, but Kydex is much better. I have been running it for the last 15yrs, and have put it through it's paces.
http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=51642 (http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=51642)
Why do I keep getting emails that kopf posted here yet no kopf post exists? Four or five so far. I can't imagine kopf has posted and then deleted said post five times...
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 11, 2014, 06:12:11 PM
Why do I keep getting emails that kopf posted here yet no kopf post exists? Four or five so far. I can't imagine kopf has posted and then deleted said post five times...
Yeah, it was me. See photobucket thread in NM. >:(
Merry Chrima [evil]
http://youtu.be/n2A5Yam_UMo (http://youtu.be/n2A5Yam_UMo)
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 11, 2014, 08:13:13 PM
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/imagejpg1-3.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/imagejpg1-3.jpg.html)
WTF?
I'm sure this has been discussed to death in the pages of this very thread, but I'm about to do my first AR build and I'm looking for some advice on calibers. With prices what they are now, I'll probably be able to build 2 uppers without catching too much flak from Wee Wifey.
Planning to do a mid-length (18-22", depending on what I can find that I like) .223/5.56 build for cheap ammo and basic interchangability purposes. Been looking at other calibers as well so that I can use the rifle for things like hunting and distance shooting. So far, the two main calibers I've been contemplating are 300 Blackout and 6.5 Grendel. I handload, so beyond initial costs, ammo availability and cost aren't really much of a concern.
What I can tell from my research so far:
300 Blackout
Pros:
Ammo is relatively readily available
.30 cal, so there's a ridiculous number of reload bullet options available
Lower pressure. Less damaging to the brass, so they last through more reloads
Loadable sub-sonic, so I'll wind up wanting a suppressor. Mmm... suppressor...
Solid hitting power and not terrible drop out to 200m or so, and let's be honest, that's gonna be most of my shooting.
Cheaper to build.
Cons:
From a ballistic standpoint, it might as well be a .30-30
I'm gonna want a suppressor, which will be much more difficult to sell to Wee Wifey
It's the cliche bigger AR-15 caliber. I ride a Sport 1000. I don't want the easy way. It's boring.
6.5 Grendel
Pros:
Longer practical range
Plenty of 6.5 reloading options
I really like the 6.5 as a caliber. Not just Grendel, but also 6.5x55 Swedish, .264 Win Mag, etc.
Terminal ballistics beyond 200m
Cases can be made from 7.62x39 with a couple of intermediate steps (Maybe I get a rifle in .220 Russian?)
Cache
Cons:
Commercial ammo options/availability
Build cost
Suppressor options are... well... kinda pointless
For the tie break, I turn to the collective wisdom of the DMF Gun Stuff thread and its contributors.
And to reward you for having read this far, I present this video that Monsterlover shared earlier today.
Roman Candle Gun PART 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljbHrO4y81Q#)
I'd go for 300blk just because you won't have to buy up a large quantity of new magazines, and the fact that it uses the same bcg as the 5.56, so spare parts wouldn't be a problem either. But even more importantly, mmmmmmm suppressors.
You should change your dmf name to mmmm.. Suppressors
I was fortunate enough to win an EAA Witness Match in 40SW this weekend. It's one of those guns that was never on my radar, but now that it's made its way into the safe it will likely stay. I was fairly impressed with it. SA only trigger, 15 rnds capacity, and all steel construction. Not a bad take for $0.
Nice [thumbsup]
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7559/16005206276_bdf489dfec_z.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/129232256@N04/16005206276/)
Ready to Rumble 3 Gun Nation Championship 2014 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDSet9lJjXg#)
Beretta presents: HUMAN TECHNOLOGY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lfo1QUGfWZE#)
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 15, 2014, 09:23:27 PM
Beretta presents: HUMAN TECHNOLOGY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lfo1QUGfWZE#)
[clap]
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 15, 2014, 09:23:27 PM
Beretta presents: HUMAN TECHNOLOGY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lfo1QUGfWZE#)
That reminde me, i need to dust off the shotgun. Tis the season!
My boy 'Riding the Cougar'
http://youtu.be/PsgVQswcLbk (http://youtu.be/PsgVQswcLbk)
With the KSG as a Christmas present from my girlfriend, the collection is starting to come together nicely... :)
From top to bottom:
Remington 700 SPS Tactical .308/7.62mm,
Sig Sauer M400 AR-15 .223/5.56mm,
(Left) Beretta PX-4 Storm .40S&W,
(Right) Keltec KSG 12ga pump shotgun,
Taurus Judge PD Poly .45LC/.410ga
(http://i1173.photobucket.com/albums/r594/Adamm0621/Facebook/Wall%20Photos/10862624_10203531826840360_47303001024234896_o.jpg)
finally pulled the trigger on the Promag set up for one of my Mosin's. Bipod and scope next.
(http://i433.photobucket.com/albums/qq53/montey2005/F00E8648-7D9B-49A1-AE44-5D6D9553E81D_zpspcia2cul.jpg)
I like all the adjustment in that stock
Promag has en for 200 but cheaper than dirt is at 139
how do you scope it??
Quote from: ducatiz on January 08, 2015, 06:54:34 PM
how do you scope it??
You gotta drill and tap the receiver.
There's an original PU scope that mounts to the left side of the receiver, this one requires cutting away part of the stock.
Some just remove the old slide sight and use the existing mounting holes.
The first two require a bolt with a bent handle so as not to interfere with the scope.
Correct you are Sir
Quote from: The Bearded Duc on January 09, 2015, 12:05:48 AM
You gotta drill and tap the receiver.
There's an original PU scope that mounts to the left side of the receiver, this one requires cutting away part of the stock.
Some just remove the old slide sight and use the existing mounting holes.
The first two require a bolt with a bent handle so as not to interfere with the scope.
Its' a neat stock, but not exactly the most accurate platform to use with it.
Even if you got one of the Finn Mosins, you're still talking about a 120+ year old design.
I have a PU scope for one of my Sako Mosins and I use good ammo, but it is nowhere near as accurate as an average quality modern rifle with a heavy barrel.
Looks cool tho.
I have a Remington 788 in .308 that I'd like one of those for. It's a great little rifle with some short comings but tack accurate.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2011/12/02/want-to-see-a-customized-700-caliber-dinosaur-hunting-rifle-in-action/?utm_source=linkedin&utm_medium=story&utm_campaign=ShareButtons (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2011/12/02/want-to-see-a-customized-700-caliber-dinosaur-hunting-rifle-in-action/?utm_source=linkedin&utm_medium=story&utm_campaign=ShareButtons)
(http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/700-caliber-rifle.jpg)
Quote from: Monsterlover on January 19, 2015, 07:15:37 AM
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2011/12/02/want-to-see-a-customized-700-caliber-dinosaur-hunting-rifle-in-action/?utm_source=linkedin&utm_medium=story&utm_campaign=ShareButtons (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2011/12/02/want-to-see-a-customized-700-caliber-dinosaur-hunting-rifle-in-action/?utm_source=linkedin&utm_medium=story&utm_campaign=ShareButtons)
(http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/700-caliber-rifle.jpg)
Why?!
Quote from: duccarlos on January 19, 2015, 08:03:02 AM
Why?!
"When a Tyrannosaurs Rex rampages through your neighborhood, this would seem to be the perfect tool for the job."Or, maybe just... Because they could. [evil]
Had a little bit of fun slingin' brass with my brother yesterday...
(https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10929905_10205176766810805_5292436325740184849_n.jpg?oh=1ff9d4d6015e71c92d335ba4b7784fef&oe=556DC059)
:D
[evil]
I want to apologize to all the local rodents in advance. CZ 455 22lr Tacticool. It goes to the smith for some polishing and threaded barrel for the 'can'
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8595/16136216357_9dc5f70dca_c.jpg)
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8641/15699651854_7497a71841_c.jpg)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7491/16322079315_6bf2e79fbb_c.jpg)
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 19, 2015, 05:21:41 PM
I want to apologize to all the local rodents in advance. CZ 455 22lr Tacticool. It goes to the smith for some polishing and threaded barrel for the 'can'
Not sensing the fear...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krVXRCcr2M4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krVXRCcr2M4)
;D
Quote from: Bick on January 19, 2015, 05:36:01 PM
Not sensing the fear...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krVXRCcr2M4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krVXRCcr2M4)
;D
"License to kill gophers by the government of the United Nations. Man, free to kill gophers at will. To kill, you must know your enemy, and in this case my enemy is a varmint. And a varmint will never quit - ever. They're like the Viet Cong - Varmint Cong. So you have to fall back on superior intelligence and superior firepower. And that's all she wrote."
I normally go for function over form but JJFU made an awful damned purty 1911...
(http://media.tumblr.com/fb1283349ad59e11258174bc940a4d81/tumblr_inline_n53uw9i6x91sy7y4j.jpg)
(http://media.tumblr.com/6503864204cf601c34b00e09048a6ef7/tumblr_inline_n53utxU4gS1sy7y4j.jpg)
(http://media.tumblr.com/b8d1e960364971c99c0f7bbc1582ced2/tumblr_inline_n53uwwYzhP1sy7y4j.jpg)
Quote from: ZILBERT on January 20, 2015, 01:05:21 PM
I normally go for function over form but JJFU made an awful damned purty 1911...
(http://media.tumblr.com/fb1283349ad59e11258174bc940a4d81/tumblr_inline_n53uw9i6x91sy7y4j.jpg)
(http://media.tumblr.com/6503864204cf601c34b00e09048a6ef7/tumblr_inline_n53utxU4gS1sy7y4j.jpg)
(http://media.tumblr.com/b8d1e960364971c99c0f7bbc1582ced2/tumblr_inline_n53uwwYzhP1sy7y4j.jpg)
What is impractical of an 1911? ;D
Just meant that this is one firearm i would buy simply because of how good it looks, function be damned (not that it isn't a fully functional piece of art).
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7301/16165719379_4225c1d7f6_c.jpg)
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 19, 2015, 05:21:41 PM
I want to apologize to all the local rodents in advance. CZ 455 22lr Tacticool. It goes to the smith for some polishing and threaded barrel for the 'can'
Would you mind telling a woodworker about the table in your picture.
Quote from: Zaster on January 23, 2015, 07:35:11 PM
Would you mind telling a woodworker about the table in your picture.
That's wood from an early 1800's barn. I'd be grilling woodpecker if one showed. :D
I'm with you, great stuff [thumbsup]
(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c174/cokey2/Mobile%20Uploads/10922429_765158106910285_3476314723411334834_n.jpg)
With all the talk about about purity guns and nice timber, I thought I'd post up my new-to-me Cooper 6mm PPC. Ought to be pretty accurate. I'm going to take it over to the Cooper factory in a few weeks for a going over. Got a Nightforce 6-32x scope for it. I've never worked up wildcat rounds before so I guess I have some learning to do about neck turning and fire forming brass etc etc.
(http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k445/majmontana/6ppc1_zps45e6cdp1.jpg)
(http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k445/majmontana/6ppc2_zps21qnwywi.jpg)
(http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k445/majmontana/6ppc3_zpst6beqywp.jpg)
Nice [thumbsup]
Slight change of pace...
My office partner wants to buy a gun. After nearly 40 years of being gun-phobic, she's come to the light (and being threatened by a client's ex-husband).
She is not capable of firing a large caliber and the key for her is that it needs to be SMALL.
I am not a fan of the 22 for personal defence, but does anyone have any experience with the Taurus PT22 poly?
I like the idea of the tip up barrel for her. Easy to chamber and unload.
(http://www.slickguns.com/sites/default/files/Tau1.jpg)
almost like a gun
http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=52568 (http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=52568)
impressive! [clap] [bow_down]
Quote from: Adamm0621 on December 30, 2014, 09:26:28 PM
With the KSG as a Christmas present from my girlfriend, the collection is starting to come together nicely... :)
From top to bottom:
Remington 700 SPS Tactical .308/7.62mm,
Sig Sauer M400 AR-15 .223/5.56mm,
(Left) Beretta PX-4 Storm .40S&W,
(Right) Keltec KSG 12ga pump shotgun,
Taurus Judge PD Poly .45LC/.410ga
(http://i1173.photobucket.com/albums/r594/Adamm0621/Facebook/Wall%20Photos/10862624_10203531826840360_47303001024234896_o.jpg)
nice collection! I'm looking to add the ksg to my home defense arsenal as well.
On the Want List:
(http://www.opticsplanet.com/gearexpert/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/IMG_0132-2.jpg)
Reminds me of:
(http://www.solidsmack.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/han-solo-with-blaster.jpg)
To quote Han, 'a lightsaber is no match for good blaster!'
Quote from: Bick on January 24, 2015, 06:46:53 PM
On the Want List:
(http://www.solidsmack.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/han-solo-with-blaster.jpg)
That
was this:
(http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/attachments/world-firearms/49183d1249393386-mauser-broomhandle-imperial-german-proofed-000_0002.jpg)
with some science-fictiony crap attached to it.
Quote from: ducatiz on January 24, 2015, 01:28:56 PM
Slight change of pace...
My office partner wants to buy a gun. After nearly 40 years of being gun-phobic, she's come to the light (and being threatened by a client's ex-husband).
She is not capable of firing a large caliber and the key for her is that it needs to be SMALL.
I am not a fan of the 22 for personal defence, but does anyone have any experience with the Taurus PT22 poly?
I like the idea of the tip up barrel for her. Easy to chamber and unload.
(http://www.slickguns.com/sites/default/files/Tau1.jpg)
My sister CCW's a S&W Bodyguard, she loves that thing. Light, super compact (small hands), concealable, and still packs a punch.
Just another option to explore. [thumbsup]
Quote from: The Bearded Duc on January 25, 2015, 11:06:25 AM
My sister CCW's a S&W Bodyguard, she loves that thing. Light, super compact (small hands), concealable, and still packs a punch.
Just another option to explore. [thumbsup]
Seen them. This person is not up to a 380 yet, not in a mouse gun size. She'll get there.
Seriously -- 2 years ago she was horribly gun phobic and thought they should be banned. Now, she is pushing me to help her buy one. Baby steps.
Does it have to be a semi?
How about an LCR or NAA 22 in 22 mag? More than a .22, but should be easily manageable.
.....or an S&W Airlite in .22 mag.
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_764925_-1_757929_757928_757787_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y (http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_764925_-1_757929_757928_757787_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y)
she's pretty set on this gun. Also, the cost is about the lowest for compact 22s.
22 mag is great but $$$$
Quote from: ducatiz on January 25, 2015, 12:50:42 PM
she's pretty set on this gun. Also, the cost is about the lowest for compact 22s.
22 mag is great but $$$$
I'm well aware a .22 lr can be a very lethal caliber, but in the hands of an inexperienced shooter it might not get the job done.
WRT the price...she's a make the beast with two backsing lawyer. She can swing anything you tell her she needs.
Use your silver forked tongue counselor. ;D
Should go with a revolver, that PT22 looks like a squirt gun. But seriously, heard of any jamming issues with that little semi?
Quote from: Johnny OrganDonor on January 25, 2015, 02:57:46 PM
Should go with a revolver, that PT22 looks like a squirt gun. But seriously, heard of any jamming issues with that little semi?
Actually, no. From what I've read, it functions very well.
The biggest issue for her is size and cost. The problem with the revolvers is the width of the cylinder, and she doesn't want to spend a lot for her first gun. It is pretty shocking for a persion who doesn't shoot to see gun and ammo costs.
Glock 42..............Period
I just read a really good review about it.
It has an 8lb trigger. Is that too much for your friend to pull cleanly?
Quote from: GK on January 25, 2015, 11:45:15 PM
I just read a really good review about it.
It has an 8lb trigger. Is that too much for your friend to pull cleanly?
I don't think so, she was able to handle the trigger on a few of my revolvers. But has a long way to go to get used to the sound/recoil energy.
A few years ago, I bought a sizeable amount of 5.45 russian PS ammo when it was really cheap -- I think the most I spent was about 9c/round.
Anyhow, I didn't have anything to shoot it in.. lol... I didn't want to buy another AK, and I had several ARs lying around. The ammo is pretty dirty so I wanted to pick up a piston AR.. Finally did it:
(http://cdn2.armslist.com/sites/armslist/uploads/posts/2013/02/03/986208_01_huldra_mark_iv_adams_arms_ar15_640.jpg)
The Huldra uses the Adams Arms short stroke piston. Except for the gas system and the bolt carrier, it is the same setup as a regular DI AR.
And when the cheap 5.45 runs out, I can rebarrel the upper with a 5.56 carbine barrel and standard bolt and just keep going.
Nice. I did the same thing on my DPMS but chose 22's. When Zombies attack I can carry a lot more 22's ya know. ;D
This could be fun...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAgDKR0L2RA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAgDKR0L2RA)
Slightly [evil]
If you can find 22 WMR
Nice shooting, slick. [roll]
Idiot shoots his own truck! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj9F9qDK4aQ#)
oops.
JM
Quote from: Rameses on February 25, 2015, 05:15:32 PM
Nice shooting, slick. [roll]
Idiot shoots his own truck! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj9F9qDK4aQ#)
Funny.
Reminds me of going rabbit hunting with a friend who discovered a line of.22 impacts on the side of his truck and started accusing fellow hunters.
Come to find out, he was the only hunter with a .22 caliper semi auto and had been shooting up a hill following jack rabbits ;D
That... may not buff out.
He was correct. Shit just got real.
I wonder if he shot through his windshield.
Quote from: duccarlos on February 26, 2015, 11:35:00 AM
I wonder if he shot through his windshield.
I was wondering the same thing.
JM
Great time to add a CB. [laugh]
[laugh]
Quote from: Rameses on February 25, 2015, 05:15:32 PM
Nice shooting, slick. [roll]
Idiot shoots his own truck! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj9F9qDK4aQ#)
and THAT is why you want a low-axis scope mount.. lol
Quote from: ducatiz on February 27, 2015, 12:15:32 PM
and THAT is why you want a low-axis scope mount.. lol
... or some common sense.
[evil] My new gun - I'm only part owner though. Mach 7 muzzle velocity. "It's like a flux capacitor (eyes bulge)."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2015/02/06/the-pentagons-electromagnetic-rail-gun-makes-its-public-debut/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2015/02/06/the-pentagons-electromagnetic-rail-gun-makes-its-public-debut/)
Week one of the last SOTIC I'll teach for Uncle Sugar.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7616/16590623627_1c53e6b3d6_c.jpg)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7638/16590622827_97b9d7f8df_c.jpg)
Too bad you think I can't shoot you at night. Worked steel out to 750 tonight.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7647/16869143195_83b4063279_c.jpg)
Quote from: DRKWNG on December 15, 2014, 03:36:57 AM
I'd go for 300blk just because you won't have to buy up a large quantity of new magazines, and the fact that it uses the same bcg as the 5.56, so spare parts wouldn't be a problem either. But even more importantly, mmmmmmm suppressors.
Yes, this was my thought as well!
(http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/ducrider45/IMG_2202_zpssfvnqlsv.jpg)
HAMR 99 12.7x108
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8718/16958802501_f994280816_c.jpg)
Aptly named I suppose.
Looks like fun.
Quote from: Monsterlover on March 28, 2015, 03:55:04 PM
Aptly named I suppose.
Looks like fun.
My buddy brought it back to the compound, and test fired it. He said he can't hear shit now and has a cut on his nose. ;)
[laugh]
Whomever was running this range should be beat within an inch of their life. make the beast with two backsing idiots. [bang] [bang] [bang]
http://m.military.com/video/guns/pistols/close-call-at-the-gun-range/4138170467001/ (http://m.military.com/video/guns/pistols/close-call-at-the-gun-range/4138170467001/)
Wow
HOLY MAKETHEBEASTW/2BACKS STICK!
:o :o :o
Pretty lame. I bet he'll decide to wear glasses from now on...
Wow, just wow.
"Hey, what's going on???.............Stop!..................Thank-you."
Good range etiquette right there to say "thank-you."
Range day with some NASCAR drivers, crew members and wives.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-05/E8868690-47A9-4E42-9527-286ADB94DD32.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-05/E8868690-47A9-4E42-9527-286ADB94DD32.jpg.html)
Did they learn anything?
[thumbsup]
Quote from: Monsterlover on May 03, 2015, 07:24:30 PM
Did they learn anything?
[thumbsup]
Hell yes, the driver shot great. He's a serious athlete and as a professional driver has great hand eye coordination. I worked with his wife most of the day (smoking hot) and had her burning down the steel plates. ;)
I can't post pics at his request.
Pics don't matter. I don't give a shit about NASCAR and your word is more than enough.
Sounds like a great day.
Quote from: Monsterlover on May 03, 2015, 07:37:16 PM
Pics don't matter. I don't give a shit about NASCAR and your word is more than enough.
Sounds like a great day.
It was awesome, and that driver is a physical specimen, and could not be a nicer man. I've followed his career since he came into the sport, and he called me 'sir' more times than I'm comfortable with. ;)
Looking your age now that you're "retired"?
Quote from: duccarlos on May 04, 2015, 08:52:13 AM
Looking your age now that you're "retired"?
Pretty much. :D
Single strand IDC. [evil]
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/0F25AF3D-D7CA-4D4C-A19B-9D3847BA9370.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/0F25AF3D-D7CA-4D4C-A19B-9D3847BA9370.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/83A63450-F986-464F-B5AF-1EBE9F9292B4.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/83A63450-F986-464F-B5AF-1EBE9F9292B4.jpg.html)
Recommendations on a good drawer safe. I prefer a combination instead of biometric or key.
Long day today, helped Frank (Way of the Gun) run a carbine/pistol course, good times.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/F27D448F-EE5D-4625-A964-B94EBD22D3DD.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/F27D448F-EE5D-4625-A964-B94EBD22D3DD.jpg.html)
Quote from: duccarlos on May 07, 2015, 10:20:43 AM
Recommendations on a good drawer safe. I prefer a combination instead of biometric or key.
GunVault NV300 NanoVault
i keep it in my car when i have to go to court in DC
Quote from: ducatiz on May 08, 2015, 05:33:19 AM
GunVault NV300 NanoVault
i keep it in my car when i have to go to court in DC
[thumbsup]
In the pictures in Amazon it looks like it fits a sub compact. I presume that a compact will also fit easily, correct?
Quote from: duccarlos on May 08, 2015, 10:55:41 AM
[thumbsup]
In the pictures in Amazon it looks like it fits a sub compact. I presume that a compact will also fit easily, correct?
I have a 1911 in mine. It's over 6x9"
Course is done, had some solid dudes and some, not so much. I'm smoked.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/6DA981B5-254C-4FA1-B16C-5F9BCC3AEAD6.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/6DA981B5-254C-4FA1-B16C-5F9BCC3AEAD6.jpg.html)
Quote from: kopfjäger on May 08, 2015, 05:06:57 PM
Course is done, had some solid dudes and some, not so much. I'm smoked.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/6DA981B5-254C-4FA1-B16C-5F9BCC3AEAD6.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/6DA981B5-254C-4FA1-B16C-5F9BCC3AEAD6.jpg.html)
which glock is that?
Two questions I'm working on. Purchases will be a few months down the road.
I'm looking for a small varmit rifle. We've got some serious nuisance squirrels around. Thought about a .22, but wanted to check out the .17 offerings too before I decided. I'm completely new to .17s, so I'm not even sure what to ask. Basically, I'm looking for excellent accuracy in the 40-50 yard range or so.
For 1911s, I just want to, just because. I currently have two Rugers (P94 and GP100) and have zero complaints on either. The Ruger 1911 looks nice. They seem to be available around the $700 range locally. Reviews look good, and I've had good luck with Ruger pistols are what is leaning to stay with Ruger. However, are there other makers that I really should at least consider around that price point? If you suggest another maker, take a minute to explain why if you can.
Thanks!
JM
Quote from: the_Journeyman on May 19, 2015, 07:31:20 AM
Two questions I'm working on. Purchases will be a few months down the road.
I'm looking for a small varmit rifle. We've got some serious nuisance squirrels around. Thought about a .22, but wanted to check out the .17 offerings too before I decided. I'm completely new to .17s, so I'm not even sure what to ask. Basically, I'm looking for excellent accuracy in the 40-50 yard range or so.
i consider that "rock throwing" range. you can use pretty much any caliber. .17 is fine for that, as is good quality .22
At 50 yds, .17 has far less rise/drop than .22, but that's more an issue of your scoping and knowing how to account for distance.
In other words, the accuracy issue isn't the caliber, but the whole kit.
Sounds like it's more of a ammo price & initial price of the rifle itself that will decide which way I go. Of course either way, some range time to get used to the behavior or a particular rifle and ammo.
JM
I'd go with .22 myself.
Out to 50 yds there isn't enough rise/fall with .22 to really make a difference, and 22 ammo is slightly cheaper. Add to the fact you can use subs or quiets out to 25 yds without any hold over/under and your neighbors won't even know you fired.
The only plus side to .17 is if you want to start shooting at them 100 yards out.
Quote from: the_Journeyman on May 19, 2015, 07:31:20 AM
For 1911s, I just want to, just because. I currently have two Rugers (P94 and GP100) and have zero complaints on either. The Ruger 1911 looks nice. They seem to be available around the $700 range locally. Reviews look good, and I've had good luck with Ruger pistols are what is leaning to stay with Ruger. However, are there other makers that I really should at least consider around that price point? If you suggest another maker, take a minute to explain why if you can.
Thanks!
JM
I have the full size Ruger 1911. I bought it because of the price and because it's stainless.
I cannot praise it enough. It is one of my best shooting handguns! And it's not just me that says that. Anyone that has used it is very surprised.
I know Ruger has had some questionable quality in the past but I can comfortably say that those days are past them. I'm seriously considering a GP100 over a S&W 686.
Anyone else here use Froglube?
I started using it sometime last year. I only applied it to a few guns. I've been very happy with how it works. I love that it's food grade and it smells good. I can clean or apply it in the house without anyone getting bent out of shape. The guns are so easy to clean once it's applied. The 1911 just needs a quick wipe down after being used.
The bad part is that applying the product correctly is a pain but you only have to do it once or twice.
http://froglube.com/ (http://froglube.com/)
Quote from: The Architect on May 20, 2015, 12:02:25 PM
Anyone else here use Froglube?
I started using it sometime last year. I only applied it to a few guns. I've been very happy with how it works. I love that it's food grade and it smells good. I can clean or apply it in the house without anyone getting bent out of shape. The guns are so easy to clean once it's applied. The 1911 just needs a quick wipe down after being used.
The bad part is that applying the product correctly is a pain but you only have to do it once or twice.
http://froglube.com/ (http://froglube.com/)
How does it stand up to the salt spray test?
http://www.6mmbr.com/corrosiontest.html (http://www.6mmbr.com/corrosiontest.html)
I only use Eezox for everything. Smells reaaal good but will make you throw up like a mofo if you eat it. Spray it on and the gun is lubed and will never rust. ever.
Been using this.
http://lucasoil.com/products/out-door-line/extreme-duty-gun-oil (http://lucasoil.com/products/out-door-line/extreme-duty-gun-oil)
Quote from: The Architect on May 20, 2015, 12:02:25 PM
Anyone else here use Froglube?
I started using it sometime last year. I only applied it to a few guns. I've been very happy with how it works. I love that it's food grade and it smells good. I can clean or apply it in the house without anyone getting bent out of shape. The guns are so easy to clean once it's applied. The 1911 just needs a quick wipe down after being used.
The bad part is that applying the product correctly is a pain but you only have to do it once or twice.
http://froglube.com/ (http://froglube.com/)
Someone posted this link a while back:
http://forums.outdoorsdirectory.com/showthread.php/141077-Results-of-gun-care-product-evaluation (http://forums.outdoorsdirectory.com/showthread.php/141077-Results-of-gun-care-product-evaluation)
Quote from: Johnny OrganDonor on May 20, 2015, 02:04:38 PM
Someone posted this link a while back:
http://forums.outdoorsdirectory.com/showthread.php/141077-Results-of-gun-care-product-evaluation (http://forums.outdoorsdirectory.com/showthread.php/141077-Results-of-gun-care-product-evaluation)
That's where I left it... [bang] ;D
The froglube did well in that test.
I don't know how valid these tests. It is the internet.
http://www.dayattherange.com/?page_id=3667 (http://www.dayattherange.com/?page_id=3667)
http://www.guncleaningtips.com/the-best-gun-clps-corrosion-and-lubrication-tests/ (http://www.guncleaningtips.com/the-best-gun-clps-corrosion-and-lubrication-tests/)
Quote from: The Architect on May 20, 2015, 06:28:42 PM
I don't know how valid these tests. It is the internet.
http://www.dayattherange.com/?page_id=3667 (http://www.dayattherange.com/?page_id=3667)
http://www.guncleaningtips.com/the-best-gun-clps-corrosion-and-lubrication-tests/ (http://www.guncleaningtips.com/the-best-gun-clps-corrosion-and-lubrication-tests/)
No way to really know without trying each product for yourself.
I like how easy it is to clean the gun once it's applied.
Quote from: The Architect on May 20, 2015, 06:58:22 PM
I like how easy it is to clean the gun once it's applied.
[thumbsup]
My boy Frank, Riding with the Cougar
If you stay calm the Cougar stays Calm! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsgVQswcLbk#)
Took a good look at a Springfield 1911 Range Officer at my local shop. Seems like a nice pistol for the money. They're looking for $820 for a new one.
Anyone have any experience with this particular model 1911?
JM
I have a thing for CZ and clones..
Will be getting this in the post on Monday:
ITM AT-84S. Swiss licensed copy of the CZ. Not clear if it is one of the CZ frames or Tanfolio, but I'll be fine with either. ITM became Sphinx and kept making them in the late 80s.
(http://www.uzitalk.com/reference/uzigal/guns/solothurnAT-84.jpg)
Good looking pistol! Do give an update on how it feels and works! [thumbsup]
JM
Quote from: the_Journeyman on June 06, 2015, 08:22:29 PM
Good looking pistol! Do give an update on how it feels and works! [thumbsup]
JM
I imagine it will feel like every other 75 I've used, but who knows.. It's Swiss.
This one has had very little use tho, maybe a box of rounds thru it.
I just love CZs, and any pre-B model gets me interested.
I have had a CZ 75 Tactical 9mm for years.
Solid, accurate and heavy, lets you get back on target fast.
CZ is very under-rated IMO.
That's what everyone keeps saying.
Must be something to it.
Quote from: Dochunt on June 07, 2015, 11:55:02 AM
I have had a CZ 75 Tactical 9mm for years.
Solid, accurate and heavy, lets you get back on target fast.
CZ is very under-rated IMO.
I wouldn't call them underrated, it's just a huge market and there are other good choices out there.
I think a lot of what makes a good handgun is just your body's compatibility with it. I shoot better with a CZ. Some guys shoot better with a 1911 or a Glock or something else. I have all of them, but something about the CZ just clicked with my hand. I like other handguns, but I enjoy shooting this one the most.
I'm just psyched to finally get one of the Swiss models. I have a thing for Swiss guns (not Swiss/German but bonafide Swiss, i.e. SIG not SIG-Sauer)
I think reliability is a big positive for CZ.
It is a simple gun.
Maybe that is why it is standard issue for many police forces in Europe
Quote from: Dochunt on June 07, 2015, 11:55:02 AM
I have had a CZ 75 Tactical 9mm for years.
Solid, accurate and heavy, lets you get back on target fast.
CZ is very under-rated IMO.
All guns are accurate. Not so much for the person behind it. ;)
Agreed.
99.99% of inaccuracy is the person and not the gun. [thumbsup]
Quote from: kopfjäger on June 07, 2015, 01:20:12 PM
All guns are accurate. Not so much for the person behind it. ;)
Why is it harder to be accurate with some guns vs. others?
I shot my .45 ACP and .40 S&W very accurate from 10 and 15 yards while I struggle
with my 9 mm M&P.
Its all about the fit.
I have professional target shooting friends who spend big bucks the have the stock of their shotgun or the grip and balance of their handguns.
I am a sporting clay shooter myself and I have hand my shotgun stocks fitted specially to me.
Quote from: Zaster on June 07, 2015, 02:39:55 PM
Why is it harder to be accurate with some guns vs. others?
I shot my .45 ACP and .40 S&W very accurate from 10 and 15 yards while I struggle
with my 9 mm M&P.
Come to AL and I'll show you why. I promise it's you, not the gun.
Quote from: kopfjäger on June 07, 2015, 02:56:18 PM
Come to AL and I'll show you why. I promise it's you, not the gun.
https://youtu.be/8AJLjXs4ppg
Quote from: kopfjäger on June 07, 2015, 02:56:18 PM
Come to AL and I'll show you why. I promise it's you, not the gun.
Agreed, I know it is me.
Other than going all the way to AL, what else would you recommend?
Here is a video with my 1911: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXWXpckoNaw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXWXpckoNaw)
Quote from: the_Journeyman on June 06, 2015, 10:22:17 AM
Took a good look at a Springfield 1911 Range Officer at my local shop. Seems like a nice pistol for the money. They're looking for $820 for a new one.
Anyone have any experience with this particular model 1911?
JM
I like my 1911 and I understand why you want one. Saw this video and thought of your post. I see a Glock in my future.
https://youtu.be/G5by3p5jqUs
Quote from: Zaster on June 07, 2015, 03:44:51 PM
Agreed, I know it is me.
Other than going all the way to AL, what else would you recommend?
Here is a video with my 1911: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXWXpckoNaw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXWXpckoNaw)
There is really nothing I can do to help you shoot better on the web. Since you can't come here I would search out a 'good' instructor in your area. Send me a PM and I'll give you my phone number, and we can discuss any issues you are having. I do this for a living, and would teach for bread and water.
PM sent
Colt filed for Chapter 11
Quote from: kopfjäger on June 18, 2015, 04:07:15 PM
Colt filed for Chapter 11
I saw that today. I wonder if they'll get bought and continue on the way Hostess did.
Quote from: kopfjäger on June 18, 2015, 04:07:15 PM
Colt filed for Chapter 11
Sad. They could have made a boat load if they had started turning out anacondas again.
Not so much about guns as it is physics, but figured this was the best place to post it.
http://constructionalmachines.com/ak-47-underwater-at-27450-frames-per-second-part-2-smarter-every-day-97.html (http://constructionalmachines.com/ak-47-underwater-at-27450-frames-per-second-part-2-smarter-every-day-97.html)
Quote from: Rameses on June 24, 2015, 07:12:42 AM
Not so much about guns as it is physics, but figured this was the best place to post it.
http://constructionalmachines.com/ak-47-underwater-at-27450-frames-per-second-part-2-smarter-every-day-97.html (http://constructionalmachines.com/ak-47-underwater-at-27450-frames-per-second-part-2-smarter-every-day-97.html)
>>gunnerdgasm!!<
The new AK-12
Interesting updates. I like the hinged top. That fixes the wandering rear sight problem on the valmet and gives a long sight radius. and picatinny all around.
the butt design looks very nice. gas block looks like a valmet.
The bolt carrier knob is now removable, which reminds me of the Daewoo AR. I wonder if they came up with a secondary use for it too?
They are rolling it out now.
(http://truthaboutguns-zippykid.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/AK-12.jpg)
What's a good price for a 12 g 500 mossberg. 2 examples I found.
http://fort-worth.texasguntrader.com/index.php?a=2&b=711424 (http://fort-worth.texasguntrader.com/index.php?a=2&b=711424)
http://fort-worth.texasguntrader.com/index.php?a=2&b=714818 (http://fort-worth.texasguntrader.com/index.php?a=2&b=714818)
I gave $275 new for one similar to the second with both the shoulder stock and the pistol grip. No accessories like the fiber optic sight or shell holder.
JM
I competed in the 19th annual Cooper Firearms One-Shot competition last week and I can say that my new-to-me 6mm PPC is a humdinger.
(http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k445/majmontana/Cooper%206ppc%20cropped_zpsccrmnm6i.jpg)
For those not familiar with it, the Cooper One-Shot competition allows only one shot at a 1/4 inch dot placed on an original painting at 150 yards. The competition is held at a range near Hamilton, MT not far from the small Cooper "factory" in Stevensville. They put paper pasters over the target area on the painting for each shooter so everyone has a clean shot and the score is measured on the shooter's paster rather than the painting itself. The shooter coming closest to the dot wins the painting and the two closest shooters for each painting (there were 7 paintings with 5 or 6 shooters per painting) advance to a second round, again with one shot - this time at a paper target. The best shot in the second round wins the grand prize - a new Cooper rifle. You have to be shooting a Cooper and more or less typical bench rest rules apply except you only get one shot and no sighters. It's Cooper's 25th anniversary so it was kind of special this year. There were about 40 shooters from all over.
Here's a link:
http://cooperfirearms.com/one-shot-competition (http://cooperfirearms.com/one-shot-competition)
Nobody likes a show-off but I'll share a few photos of this years competition.
Here are the paintings before the shoot. You can see the target circles drawn on each painting.
(http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k445/majmontana/DSC01552_zpsnehisjky.jpg)
(http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k445/majmontana/DSC01553_zpsvndqrt4b.jpg)
(http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k445/majmontana/DSC01554_zps4q86ws5z.jpg)
The grand prize was the beautiful Cooper 25th anniversary limited edition .223 in the back - only 25 were produced. The front rifle is a raffle prize.
(http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k445/majmontana/DSC01551_zpsxi7gye7q.jpg)
After the morning sight-in, there were some money shoots where you pay $10 to take one shot at each of two targets per round. The closest shooter in each round gets the pot. I won some cash in two of the rounds I entered. These money shoots allow you to get familiar with the range conditions and different bench positions before the painting shoot. Here's a shot during a money shoot. The kid in the foreground was being coached by his dad and ended up winning a painting in some pretty stiff competition.
(http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k445/majmontana/DSC01547_zpsq2bls7es.jpg)
A few of the rifles.
(http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k445/majmontana/DSC01549_zpsala598cu.jpg)
Here are a few shots of the set up for the painting shoot.
(http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k445/majmontana/DSC01556_zpsv4fly5o8.jpg)
(http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k445/majmontana/DSC01558_zpsrpagbwpy.jpg)
From the bench, a 1/4" dot looks pretty small at 150 yards.
(http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k445/majmontana/DSC01557_zpsu7e6imzf.jpg)
After the match, Cooper sponsors a great dinner (huge steaks and crab legs with drinks) at the historic Marcus Daly mansion in Hamilton. Marcus Daly was one of the Butte "Copper Kings" in it's heyday. Hugo Vivero, Cooper CEO, announces the days winners.
(http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k445/majmontana/DSC01561_zpsncnv6k1t.jpg)
Here's a shot of my new painting. ;D ;D ;D
(http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k445/majmontana/Painting_zpsuspflw1a.jpg)
Close-up of the bullet holes in the painting. Some real close ones there. The outside one is still a good shot and was actually shot by a winner from last year.
(http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k445/majmontana/DSC01572_zpsta2x5npl.jpg)
Here's a shot of my paster target from the painting shot (top) and my rifle shoot target from the second round (bottom). I was closest on my painting and just a bit off (third closest I was told) in the second-round rifle shoot.
(http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k445/majmontana/one%20shot%20targets_zps0gkr3rpp.jpg)
This is a fun and unique competition with great participants and sponsored by an exceptional company. I can't say enough good things about Cooper. [thumbsup]
.
https://silencerco.com/nfa-trust/
Quote from: kopfjäger on July 18, 2015, 04:12:38 PM
https://silencerco.com/nfa-trust/
I do these for not much more than they are asking and I don't include a disclaimer that says this
"*This form is not legal advice and is to be used at your own direction. Consultation with an attorney is highly recommended and this form is not a substitute for appropriate legal advice in your state.""
Quote from: ducatiz on July 18, 2015, 05:52:48 PM
I do these for not much more than they are asking and I don't include a disclaimer that says this
"*This form is not legal advice and is to be used at your own direction. Consultation with an attorney is highly recommended and this form is not a substitute for appropriate legal advice in your state.""
I just went through the normal chains. Someone sent me that, so I posted it for alternate information. You should post your set up for folks to use.
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=71502.msg1319598#msg1319598 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=71502.msg1319598#msg1319598)
Link in post above is a want to buy add.
Going to get a 12Ga this week or next for the house. can get a maverick 88 199$ down the block or a Webley & Scott 612 for 180$. Or just get a 500? I haven't shot either one but will get to the range this week and see if they have any.
My vote is for the 500.
I have a Remmington Marine 12g pump with a pistol grip. (old)
Quote from: cokey on August 11, 2015, 07:43:13 PM
Link in post above is a want to buy add.
Going to get a 12Ga this week or next for the house. can get a maverick 88 199$ down the block or a Webley & Scott 612 for 180$. Or just get a 500? I haven't shot either one but will get to the range this week and see if they have any.
500 is nice, they are even nicer if you get the 12" barrel (pay the tax). the only downside of the 500 is that you can't extend the tube. with the 590 you can.
Tax stamp, class 3?, I'd for all right? Not separate for say an sbr and then a can?
Quote from: cokey on August 13, 2015, 12:35:27 PM
Tax stamp, class 3?, I'd for all right? Not separate for say an sbr and then a can?
You have to pay the tax for each transferable item. So in essence, an sbr requires one stamp, and a suppressor requires a separate stamp. The only real way around that would be to get an sbr with an integral suppressor.
Quote from: cokey on August 13, 2015, 12:35:27 PM
Tax stamp, class 3?, I'd for all right? Not separate for say an sbr and then a can?
You can buy the barrel without anything, but you need the stamp to install it on your receiver. The stamp registers the receiver so you can swap it back to the 18" whenever you want. I have an AOW mossy and an 870. THe 870 has a 12" barrel and a pistol grip, it's basically a pistol. I prefer the rifle butt though. THe short barrel just makes it easier to move around.
Yeah definitely better for close quarter. So stamp is for every time you purchase a piece. Like if I do it for my new one. Then pay again for another new one? Gun noob. Lol, at least I shot pretty straight. Going to the range this wed or Thursday to try out some of the ones I was looking at buying so I can see if I like.
Quote from: cokey on August 15, 2015, 11:53:31 AM
Yeah definitely better for close quarter. So stamp is for every time you purchase a piece. Like if I do it for my new one. Then pay again for another new one? Gun noob. Lol, at least I shot pretty straight. Going to the range this wed or Thursday to try out some of the ones I was looking at buying so I can see if I like.
Correct. Every class 3 purchase requires a new stamp.
Slow motion makes everything mesmerizing:
Pistol Shot Recorded at 73,000 Frames Per Second (http://www.youtube.com/watch?t=21&v=7y9apnbI6GA#)
:D
Pinky extension for my 42
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-08/E18A6877-2A3A-41EB-906C-D95577C55920.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-08/E18A6877-2A3A-41EB-906C-D95577C55920.jpg.html)
Quote from: kopfjäger on August 19, 2015, 11:52:35 AM
Pinky extension for my 42
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-08/E18A6877-2A3A-41EB-906C-D95577C55920.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-08/E18A6877-2A3A-41EB-906C-D95577C55920.jpg.html)
i handled a 43 in a shop -- the grip feels very thin walled. How much bigger is the 43 than the 42?
I'm looking to upgrade to 9mm now that they are getting as small as 380s. I've had a P3AT for ever and have been looking at a PF9. It is pretty damn thin. I haven't had any issues with KT guns.
The 43 is slightly bigger than the 42. Break contact guns, not good for range work. I've gone to carrying the 42, it's so easy.
Quote from: The Architect on August 12, 2015, 10:38:37 AM
My vote is for the 500.
I 2nd this.
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b486/acbick/IMG_20150831_211118932%201_zpsrxoazwdw.jpg)
I've got a 500 with pistol grip and swappable to shoulder grip. Can't say anything bad. It does exactly what it should. Holds 5-7 rounds depending on shell length. If you can't dispatch a threat with that many shotgun rounds I would suggest running.
JM
Quote from: the_Journeyman on September 01, 2015, 06:16:49 PM
I've got a 500 with pistol grip and swappable to shoulder grip. Can't say anything bad. It does exactly what it should. Holds 5-7 rounds depending on shell length. If you can't dispatch a threat with that many shotgun rounds I would suggest running.
JM
Probably the same set I got. also came with both 28" and 18 1/2" barrels. A lot for not much $$$.
Not that I ever swap the stocks, but I do like the concept of the "flex" system.
Quote from: the_Journeyman on September 01, 2015, 06:16:49 PM
I've got a 500 with pistol grip and swappable to shoulder grip. Can't say anything bad. It does exactly what it should. Holds 5-7 rounds depending on shell length. If you can't dispatch a threat with that many shotgun rounds I would suggest running.
JM
Now up to 8 -
http://www.brownells.com/shotgun-parts/magazine-tube-parts/magazine-tube-extensions/mossberg-500-high-capacity-shotgun-kit-8-rds-prod25124.aspx?avs%7cMake_3=Mossberg (http://www.brownells.com/shotgun-parts/magazine-tube-parts/magazine-tube-extensions/mossberg-500-high-capacity-shotgun-kit-8-rds-prod25124.aspx?avs%7cMake_3=Mossberg)
Quote from: Rotor Head on September 01, 2015, 07:25:57 PM
Now up to 8 -
http://www.brownells.com/shotgun-parts/magazine-tube-parts/magazine-tube-extensions/mossberg-500-high-capacity-shotgun-kit-8-rds-prod25124.aspx?avs%7cMake_3=Mossberg (http://www.brownells.com/shotgun-parts/magazine-tube-parts/magazine-tube-extensions/mossberg-500-high-capacity-shotgun-kit-8-rds-prod25124.aspx?avs%7cMake_3=Mossberg)
i prefer my 14" duty barrel.
Quote from: kopfjäger on August 20, 2015, 08:34:56 PM
The 43 is slightly bigger than the 42. Break contact guns, not good for range work. I've gone to carrying the 42, it's so easy.
i've carried the P3aT for years and have never been in love with the 380 round. Even with the CorBon loads, I want a little more bite on the receiving end.
Quote from: ducatiz on September 02, 2015, 05:43:29 AM
i've carried the P3aT for years and have never been in love with the 380 round. Even with the CorBon loads, I want a little more bite on the receiving end.
.380 never did anything for me. Have to wait and see if Colion Noir does a piece on who carries them.
I like .45
Quote from: ducatiz on September 02, 2015, 05:41:31 AM
i prefer my 14" duty barrel.
Always a drawback.
I don't hang out in Bodega Bay much, so I don't think I have a need to kill that many birds that quickly. ;)
Doing some more research. Right now I can't swing the coin for a 500. Found a couple 88s for under 150. Academy sports has NIB for like 165. Good thing is all parts from 500s fit the 88. Cheaper made parts are the trigger group is not metal and the forgrip. Everyone says that's the failed point but seems to be hearsay. Haven't found an actual encounter of failer.
Quote from: cokey on September 03, 2015, 05:58:22 PM
Doing some more research. Right now I can't swing the coin for a 500. Found a couple 88s for under 150. Academy sports has NIB for like 165. Good thing is all parts from 500s fit the 88. Cheaper made parts are the trigger group is not metal and the forgrip. Everyone says that's the failed point but seems to be hearsay. Haven't found an actual encounter of failer.
I'd wait if I were you. One of the big box stores is going to have a sale on the 500 or the 870 sooner or later. I know I recommended the 500 but the 870 is just as good.
I've owned my 870 since the late 80s.
My first 1911
(http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy130/rappevan/829C95EA-9C3A-47EF-A7A6-1D9C77AA7587_zpswovt8upa.jpg) (http://s784.photobucket.com/user/rappevan/media/829C95EA-9C3A-47EF-A7A6-1D9C77AA7587_zpswovt8upa.jpg.html)
[thumbsup]
Quote from: lazylightnin717 on September 07, 2015, 05:34:26 PM
My first 1911
Nice. I love the 1911. Often thought about getting a really nice one, but I rarely shoot my Kimber as it is... :-\
I went with the SA Mil spec as an entry level 1911.
I was considering the Taurus PT but decided to go with the tried and true.
I keep wondering if I want one... ;D
Quote from: ducpainter on September 07, 2015, 09:16:43 PM
I keep wondering if I want one... ;D
They can be cheap to shoot.
They also make big holes in toasters. Targets. Whatever.
Quote from: Monsterlover on September 07, 2015, 09:26:48 PM
They can be cheap to shoot.
They also make big holes in toasters. Targets. Whatever.
The size of the hole didn't matter...
that toaster was never alive. ;D
Quote from: ducpainter on September 07, 2015, 09:16:43 PM
I keep wondering if I want one... ;D
I keep wandering why more people don't have one
Quote from: lazylightnin717 on September 08, 2015, 04:10:50 AM
I keep wandering why more people don't have one
EveryBody should have one.
Even if it is just a little one.
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b486/acbick/DSCN0948_zpssuyxrspy.jpg~original)
Quote from: lazylightnin717 on September 07, 2015, 05:34:26 PM
My first 1911
(http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy130/rappevan/829C95EA-9C3A-47EF-A7A6-1D9C77AA7587_zpswovt8upa.jpg) (http://s784.photobucket.com/user/rappevan/media/829C95EA-9C3A-47EF-A7A6-1D9C77AA7587_zpswovt8upa.jpg.html)
Nice looking. I would like a 1911 in my collection.
JM
Quote from: Monsterlover on September 07, 2015, 09:26:48 PM
They can be cheap to shoot.
They also make big holes in toasters. Targets. Whatever.
cheap to shoot?
45 is not cheap.
cheapest I can find right >now< is about 25c per round. 9mm is about 15c/round. lowest i can find 22 is 8c/round.
for comparison, 5.56 is about 40c/round and 5.45 is about 23c/round.
Quote from: ducatiz on September 16, 2015, 07:19:24 AM
cheap to shoot?
45 is not cheap.
cheapest I can find right >now< is about 25c per round. 9mm is about 15c/round. lowest i can find 22 is 8c/round.
for comparison, 5.56 is about 40c/round and 5.45 is about 23c/round.
What does it cost to roll your own though?
It's been a while since I've shot or bought supplies to load but I think I was under .15 for 9mm and under .10 for .45
Quote from: Monsterlover on September 17, 2015, 03:33:14 AM
It's been a while since I've shot or bought supplies to load but I think I was under .15 for 9mm and under .10 for .45
Components have gotten pricey.
It costs me ~.15 for 9mm with a plated bullet.
I don't see .05 less for .45 even with lead.
Maybe the numbers are without brass. Like I said, it's been a while.
Quote from: Monsterlover on September 17, 2015, 03:43:16 AM
Maybe the numbers are without brass. Like I said, it's been a while.
Those numbers don't count brass. Assumes range pick ups.
Are you still shooting that South American .45?
Shooting it, no. Storing it, yes.
It's not the greatest shooting pistol. The barrel, slide and frame all still match and I'm guessing it's had a few put through it since it was made in the early 40's
But it's cool.
I've been shooting a lot of 22 rifle lately.
I'll shoot indoor 22 pistol this fall/winter.
Indoor as in your house? Trap?
Quote from: Monsterlover on September 17, 2015, 04:56:46 AM
Indoor as in your house? Trap?
No...
at the club I belong to. We shoot in the NH pistol League. Bullseye...one hand...50 feet...at a
tiny target.
I shoot...poorly. ;)
Still fun though
Yeah...and a good bunch of guys.
Quote from: Monsterlover on September 17, 2015, 03:33:14 AM
It's been a while since I've shot or bought supplies to load but I think I was under .15 for 9mm and under .10 for .45
yeah, prices have gone apeshit in the last 5-6 years.
ammoseek.com
Anybody here handled a Ruger LC9S?
I'm considering one for carry duty.
Quote from: lazylightnin717 on September 20, 2015, 05:58:34 PM
Anybody here handled a Ruger LC9S?
I'm considering one for carry duty.
I like them. They fixed the trigger issue. Main problem I have is how sharp the corners of the sights are. That's fixable. They put some sharp-ass metal there.
Size is right.
I have mixed feelings about carrying a tiny-9. Something that small should not be your main thing -- just a break contact choice. the 380s that are available are fine for that.
sometimes i carry the KelTec 3AT and sometimes the Ruger. I am most comfy carrying the 3AT tho -- it is absurdly small. And I keep a little more firepower locked in the car and office, and the idea is that the pistol is just enough to get you away anyhow.
I originally bought the Springfield XDS but it was too large for me to carry comfortably.
Packing a bit more punch than a .380 appeals to me if it is comfortable to carry and manageable to shoot.
The LC9S is priced well too.
9mm only kills the body. .45 kills the soul.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po4nZTO3ES4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po4nZTO3ES4)
Quote from: Rotor Head on September 20, 2015, 07:14:30 PM
9mm only kills the body. .45 kills the soul.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po4nZTO3ES4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po4nZTO3ES4)
i had a friend in hs whose uncle lived in the sticks in Louisiana.
he hunted deer with a 22. no issues. knock them in the head every time.
creeped me out.
a 17HMR works fine on deer. you shoot them just below the ear.
Quote from: ducpainter on September 17, 2015, 05:01:35 AM
No...
at the club I belong to. We shoot in the NH pistol League. Bullseye...one hand...50 feet...at a tiny target.
I shoot...poorly. ;)
What do you use for a pistol Nate?
I use my CZ 85 with the .22 conversion kit with a red dot.
I shot a S&W model 41 that a guy let me try, and another guy let me try a High Standard. I couldn't score any better with them and they're both supposedly 'more accurate' pistols, but not in my hands.
I doubt my service pistol will ever be a deficit at 50 feet.
Ended getting the mav88 18.5" couldn't beat the price new and since all parts off a 500 fit it. First scatter gun. I'm stoked. Working till 12am so will be cleaning it up tomorrow.
I know everyone has their own specific ammo size. What's good cheap practice shells?
I just picked up a nearly-new S&W M&P22 for $250. It will be a nice plinking and practice piece.
The CZ 85 certainly comes highly recommended.
I'll most likely be joining a pistol club late 15 or early 16. It'll have a number of club guns provided, however when it's time to purchase my own, the CZ 85 will be one I'll need to investigate.
I'm teaching a basic (basic) shooting class to some folks who've, never shot their gun, have had a gun for yrs but never had any (proper) training, want to get a gun etc., on Saturday. Should be fun :P I hope.
Quote from: kopfjäger on October 21, 2015, 05:31:14 PM
I'm teaching a basic (basic) shooting class to some folks who've, never shot their gun, have had a gun for yrs but never had any (proper) training, want to get a gun etc., on Saturday. Should be fun :P I hope.
Try not to get any holes blown in you. ;D
Are you doing any instructor work with/for Frank?
Quote from: DRKWNG on October 21, 2015, 07:08:47 PM
Are you doing any instructor work with/for Frank?
Yes, I've been helping him here and there. I'm running that class at his range.
Quote from: kopfjäger on October 21, 2015, 07:20:17 PM
Yes, I've been helping him here and there. I'm running that class at his range.
Nice
New range toy.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/1E50835A-FED2-41EF-BF54-3476172E17A1.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/1E50835A-FED2-41EF-BF54-3476172E17A1.jpg.html)
Nice. How do you like it? I kept telling myself I was going to buy a really nice 1911 when I got back from Jordan, but having to buy a new house got in the way. ;D
Quote from: DRKWNG on October 23, 2015, 03:31:40 AM
Nice. How do you like it? I kept telling myself I was going to buy a really nice 1911 when I got back from Jordan, but having to buy a new house got in the way. ;D
First rounds down range will be Saturday. I make the beast with two backsed up last week and shot Frank's $4k Wilson. By the first mag change the wheels were spinning. :D
Right? I've shot a few of those, and I start pondering the back market kidney exchange program every time I do.
[clap] :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53Jd3ltvb8k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53Jd3ltvb8k)
Crack me right up... ;D
Quote from: ducpainter on October 23, 2015, 03:32:57 PM
Crack me right up... ;D
Dudes my new hero. I'll get a lot of mileage out of that vid. Oh, and he's got skillz.
Quote from: kopfjäger on October 23, 2015, 03:34:38 PM
<snip> Oh, and he's got skillz.
...as a satirist or comedian. ;)
Quote from: ducpainter on October 23, 2015, 03:37:16 PM
...as a satirist or comedian. ;)
He's got that covered for sure, but he's got solid weapons manipulation skills. Never even flagged his camera.
Quote from: kopfjäger on October 23, 2015, 03:42:39 PM
He's got that covered for sure, but he's got solid weapons manipulation skills. Never even flagged his camera.
I noticed that, pointed up every turn...but the main point of his vid was satire...and it was good too. [thumbsup]
Quote from: ducpainter on October 23, 2015, 03:55:22 PM
I noticed that, pointed up every turn...but the main point of his vid was satire...and it was good too. [thumbsup]
Classic [thumbsup]
Oh my
MidSouth Shooter's has TulAmmo .223 for about 22c/round if you buy in bulk. Shipping is very reasonable too -- even with the overweight charge for 80lbs .
http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item/00112TA223550/point223-Remington-55-Grain-Full-Metal-Jacket-20-Rounds- (http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item/00112TA223550/point223-Remington-55-Grain-Full-Metal-Jacket-20-Rounds-)
55g/FMJ .. good range stuff. I've been using it in my Valmets and ARs and both like it a lot.
Quote from: ducatiz on October 23, 2015, 06:19:13 PM
MidSouth Shooter's has TulAmmo .223 for about 22c/round if you buy in bulk. Shipping is very reasonable too -- even with the overweight charge for 80lbs .
http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item/00112TA223550/point223-Remington-55-Grain-Full-Metal-Jacket-20-Rounds- (http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item/00112TA223550/point223-Remington-55-Grain-Full-Metal-Jacket-20-Rounds-)
55g/FMJ .. good range stuff. I've been using it in my Valmets and ARs and both like it a lot.
I don't even own an ar and I still considered it
Can't get close to that reloading.
I don't know about the steel case. The last time I used it in my ar a shell got stuck. The heat melts the coating and if you leave a round in the chamber for more than a minute it gets stuck. :-\
I rather make my own at close to the same cost.
Quote from: Zaster on October 24, 2015, 06:19:49 PM
I rather make my own at close to the same cost.
You do .223 for around 22...23 cents a round?
Quote from: DRKWNG on October 23, 2015, 09:17:14 AM
Right? I've shot a few of those, and I start pondering the back market kidney exchange program every time I do.
The STI shoots like, well it shoots like an STI. I see several of my Glocks getting dusty in the near future. ;)
Quote from: ducpainter on October 24, 2015, 06:20:46 PM
You do .223 for around 22...23 cents a round?
Well, not quite but yes.
I consider the equipment paid for and my labor rate is zero since I'm retired ;D
Brass is free, bullets are $0.13, primers $0.03 and powder runs about $0.07 per round.
Quote from: kopfjäger on October 25, 2015, 09:22:13 AM
The STI shoots like, well it shoots like an STI. I see several of my Glocks getting dusty in the near future. ;)
Thanks for sharing.
I have been looking at this brand for some time since fellow shooters highly recommend them.
Never bought one since I thought they seemed über-priced ;D
Quote from: Zaster on October 25, 2015, 07:08:42 PM
Thanks for sharing.
I have been looking at this brand for some time since fellow shooters highly recommend them.
Never bought one since I thought they seemed über-priced ;D
Really not that pricey (depending on the model) compared to some other shit out there. I've seen other models that are far more expensive that I wouldn't bother having the salesman take out of the case. ;)
Quote from: Zaster on October 25, 2015, 05:03:04 PM
Well, not quite but yes.
I consider the equipment paid for and my labor rate is zero since I'm retired ;D
Brass is free, bullets are $0.13, primers $0.03 and powder runs about $0.07 per round.
I figure it about the same, but I guess I spend more on bullets.
Quote from: ducpainter on October 26, 2015, 03:16:32 AM
I figure it about the same, but I guess I spend more on bullets.
Agreed, you would have to buy in bulk and share with your friends and neighbors ;)
Quote from: ducatiz on October 23, 2015, 06:19:13 PM
MidSouth Shooter's has TulAmmo .223 for about 22c/round if you buy in bulk. Shipping is very reasonable too -- even with the overweight charge for 80lbs .
http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item/00112TA223550/point223-Remington-55-Grain-Full-Metal-Jacket-20-Rounds- (http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item/00112TA223550/point223-Remington-55-Grain-Full-Metal-Jacket-20-Rounds-)
55g/FMJ .. good range stuff. I've been using it in my Valmets and ARs and both like it a lot.
That place has some good pricing! .38 for $13.63 per box.
http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item/0003938A/38-Special-158-Grain-Lead-Round-Nose-50-Rounds (http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item/0003938A/38-Special-158-Grain-Lead-Round-Nose-50-Rounds)
Make sure you can hit what your aiming at under duress inside your house.
http://youtu.be/cJLycxwORWs (http://youtu.be/cJLycxwORWs)
Kopf, why were they shooting in the direction of vehicles?
Quote from: GK on October 28, 2015, 03:05:24 AM
Kopf, why were they shooting in the direction of vehicles?
Not my range, but I'm sure those cars are there to be shot at/from etc.
I figured something like that, but from my tiny iPhone 4s screen (and late at night) they didn't look beat up on! Best to ask! ðŸ'ðŸ»
Frank explaining his new rear sight. I'm running these on my Glocks and my STI.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1044JsYX-yI
After a slight case of paralysis by analysis, I finally made a decision.
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5836/21968452013_77f1bff107_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/zth4q2)20151029_204907 (https://flic.kr/p/zth4q2) by anzalone22 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/32381491@N07/), on Flickr
I choose the Ruger GP100 over the SW 686.
Going to the range tomorrow.
:o
^
What he said.
Nice iron.
Quote from: The Architect on October 29, 2015, 06:54:16 PM
After a slight case of paralysis by analysis, I finally made a decision.
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5836/21968452013_77f1bff107_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/zth4q2)20151029_204907 (https://flic.kr/p/zth4q2) by anzalone22 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/32381491@N07/), on Flickr
I choose the Ruger GP100 over the SW 686.
Going to the range tomorrow.
You're such a Ruger fanboi... :-*
I'm very happy with mine.
Didn't like the front sight and had to change it out for a HIVIZ sight.
Quote from: The Architect on October 24, 2015, 05:58:47 AM
I don't know about the steel case. The last time I used it in my ar a shell got stuck. The heat melts the coating and if you leave a round in the chamber for more than a minute it gets stuck. :-\
I tested that hypothesis a while back on a bet -- emptied a round, removed the primer and then used a torch on the unfired case.
No melting. Nothing. Case was glowing red. Nothing came off when I scraped it.
I did find that SOME 5.56 cut chambers will stick but only if they are dirty. Slight differences in the 5.56 and .223 cut (5.56 is slightly larger and using .223 spec ammo allows for some crap to remain)..
Quote from: The Architect on October 29, 2015, 06:54:16 PM
After a slight case of paralysis by analysis, I finally made a decision.
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5836/21968452013_77f1bff107_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/zth4q2)20151029_204907 (https://flic.kr/p/zth4q2) by anzalone22 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/32381491@N07/), on Flickr
I choose the Ruger GP100 over the SW 686.
Going to the range tomorrow.
My wife has one of those, we both like it.
JM
Quote from: ducatiz on October 30, 2015, 07:54:33 AM
I tested that hypothesis a while back on a bet -- emptied a round, removed the primer and then used a torch on the unfired case.
No melting. Nothing. Case was glowing red. Nothing came off when I scraped it.
I did find that SOME 5.56 cut chambers will stick but only if they are dirty. Slight differences in the 5.56 and .223 cut (5.56 is slightly larger and using .223 spec ammo allows for some crap to remain)..
I'm going to have to reconsider the steel case but in .223.
Thanks for the info.
Quote from: The Architect on October 30, 2015, 10:49:37 AM
I'm going to have to reconsider the steel case but in .223.
Thanks for the info.
Can't get around the steel case -- all the european stuff is designed around it...
Ran about 300rds through the STI today. That thing is smooth as butter.
I forgot how dirty the 38 special can be.
And there is a significant difference between the 38 special and 357 magnum!
Changed out the grips on the STI.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/CEB948A1-F837-42BB-BDE8-04B752CE27F2.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/CEB948A1-F837-42BB-BDE8-04B752CE27F2.jpg.html)
^^^^^ Wow, that's a good looking gun. ^^^^^
Quote from: kopfjäger on November 02, 2015, 03:10:38 PM
Changed out the grips on the STI.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/DBDAB3BE-215E-4A50-8DBB-8DC1DE118475.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/DBDAB3BE-215E-4A50-8DBB-8DC1DE118475.jpg.html)
Is that an LPA rear sight D?
It's proprietary STI, but it's been replaced with one of Frank's.
Quote from: The Architect on November 02, 2015, 03:55:34 PM
^^^^^ Wow, that's a good looking gun. ^^^^^
It's by no means a $4-5k Wilson, but it'll do. ;)
Next step is to pin that grip safety.
Picky no worky.
Interesting. D's picture didn't show up at first, but does now (even though your quote of his post shows a broken picture link for me).
I accidentally deleted it from photomake the beast with two backsit and derbyed it.
Quote from: kopfjäger on November 02, 2015, 06:12:58 PM
I accidentally deleted it from photomake the beast with two backsit and derbyed it.
[thumbsup]
What's the point of a pinned grip safety?
Quote from: Monsterlover on November 03, 2015, 03:57:07 AM
What's the point of a pinned grip safety?
To eliminate its function.
A few people at my buddy's club use STIs. They love them.
They certainly look like a high end product and those that own them are usually among the best shooters in the club.
I googled the company this morning. Made in Texas by a company owned by the workers. Impressive! ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»
Quote from: kopfjäger on November 03, 2015, 07:31:22 AM
To eliminate its function.
That was my guess but why? As soon as you grab a hold of it the grip safety should be disengaged, correct?
Quote from: Monsterlover on November 03, 2015, 02:16:00 PM
That was my guess but why? As soon as you grab a hold of it the grip safety should be disengaged, correct?
Yes, but I don't like that it moves in my hand. I've been running Glocks for so long it won't be a safety issue for me.
[thumbsup]
This might help some of you. :-*
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/F3C16EF0-D5F4-41B9-975C-210BB8DBCC28.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/F3C16EF0-D5F4-41B9-975C-210BB8DBCC28.jpg.html)
Quote from: kopfjäger on November 08, 2015, 11:59:13 AM
This might help some of you. :-*
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/F3C16EF0-D5F4-41B9-975C-210BB8DBCC28.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/F3C16EF0-D5F4-41B9-975C-210BB8DBCC28.jpg.html)
Does it come in plain black so it would be more 'tactical'? :-*
Quote from: ducpainter on November 08, 2015, 02:49:53 PM
Does it come in plain black so it would be more 'tactical'? :-*
I'm not sure, but it shoots great. I've had solid groups all afternoon.
Quote from: kopfjäger on November 08, 2015, 11:59:13 AM
This might help some of you. :-*
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/F3C16EF0-D5F4-41B9-975C-210BB8DBCC28.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/F3C16EF0-D5F4-41B9-975C-210BB8DBCC28.jpg.html)
Can't get it in SoCal, not on the roster....
Threaded barrel
Silencer
Dual action
boooooohoooooo
;D
Quote from: kopfjäger on November 03, 2015, 02:38:41 PM
Yes, but I don't like that it moves in my hand. I've been running Glocks for so long it won't be a safety issue for me.
Ballester Molina?
No gracias
Put a ZEV barrel and trigger in my 19 (gave the STI the day off) and ran 500 rds through it. Nice
Quote from: kopfjäger on November 11, 2015, 04:05:45 PM
Put a ZEV barrel and trigger in my 19 (gave the STI the day off) and ran 500 rds through it. Nice
I'm running a Zev trigger in my 19 as well, and have been pretty impressed with it. How did you like that barrel? Did you have to do any fitting for it, or was it truly drop in?
Quote from: DRKWNG on November 11, 2015, 05:55:33 PM
I'm running a Zev trigger in my 19 as well, and have been pretty impressed with it. How did you like that barrel? Did you have to do any fitting for it, or was it truly drop in?
True drop in with mine, I also have a Wilson in my 17 and that was drop in as well.
I was thinking about getting a Wilson for my M&P a while back. I love the trigger feel of that pistol (it's got Apex parts in it), but it just won't group worth a shit past 15yds. Always figured it was just me with that pistol, but four other people have had basically the same results with it, both free hand and in the rest.
Helped Frank run a class today.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/4FEF3A00-ABD8-46D3-A683-37D3A138ED1E.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/4FEF3A00-ABD8-46D3-A683-37D3A138ED1E.jpg.html)
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Heh.
[laugh]
Oldie but goodie. Dumbasses :D
No idea how that final print got approval [laugh]
Customer of mine found a gem. 1990ish brand spanking new wrapped in plastic ak47 for around 2200. Was so mint. Also held a G36 for the first time. Had a nice weight to it. Thought it would be lighter.
I almost don't know where to start. I saw this dude on CNN, he did a whopping 3yrs in the IDF in the 90's and is now an SME on CT. I have more time in the shitter in the SOF community. I watched more than 20 of his 'training' videos, and I'm at a loss.
http://youtu.be/42DWPuU-HDg (http://youtu.be/42DWPuU-HDg)
Quote from: kopfjäger on November 23, 2015, 11:04:35 AM
I almost don't know where to start. I saw this dude on CNN, he did a whopping 3yrs in the IDF in the 90's and is now an SME on CT. I have more time in the shitter in the SOF community. I watched more than 20 of his 'training' videos, and I'm at a loss.
http://youtu.be/42DWPuU-HDg (http://youtu.be/42DWPuU-HDg)
Someone might do us all a favor and shoot the guy by accident. Isn't Chris Costa coming from the Coast Guard? No offense to them, but how can someone pass themselves off as a combat expert without actually seeing much combat?
Quote from: duccarlos on November 23, 2015, 12:36:28 PM
Someone might do us all a favor and shoot the guy by accident. Isn't Chris Costa coming from the Coast Guard? No offense to them, but how can someone pass themselves off as a combat expert without actually seeing much combat?
It's all done with smoke and mirrors. ;D My skin was crawling watching his videos.
Quote from: kopfjäger on November 23, 2015, 12:45:25 PM
It's all done with smoke and mirrors. ;D My skin was crawling watching his videos.
I'm sure it was. Who in their right mind walks in front of a muzzle like that grabbing the barrels? WTF? I couldn't get through more than a few seconds.
What really irks me is that these idiots actually paid this douche to teach them these "techniques". I would spend good money to just hang out with you while you taught your regular class. I would get more out of it by just watching than what I get from these so-called "experts".
Bunch of sheep bro. [bang]
Quote from: kopfjäger on November 23, 2015, 11:04:35 AM
http://youtu.be/42DWPuU-HDg (http://youtu.be/42DWPuU-HDg)
Da'Fuk?
the MEUs that were training with the matkal had the same reaction to the handling and training techniques.
i don't know who that guy is, 3 years in IDF only gets you to samal rishon, which is not high enough to have been in any special division.
but i can vouch that the pistol and rifle handling training in Israel is drastically different from that taught in the US and it is unusual for anyone having reached 3 years not to have had fairly significant combat experience.
I can try to find some other videos of actual IDF training -- all the US guys I've shown it to were laughing/shitting because of the seemingly cavalier training/handling styles.
That community should be crushing that guys soul. If one of our guys was teaching ridiculous shit, we'd call him out ten fold.
I'm fully aware of the differences in training. I worked alongside the IDF in Beirut in 83. I trained with Duvedan dudes in Equador, and I worked with them in OEF. This dude takes the cake for some of the most make the beast with two backsed up shit I've ever seen. ;) Oh, and the word cavalier should never be used in conjunction with firearms training. ;)
Quote from: kopfjäger on November 24, 2015, 01:44:52 PM
I'm fully aware of the differences in training. I worked alongside the IDF in Beirut in 83. I trained with Duvedan dudes in Equador, and I worked with them in OEF. This dude takes the cake for some of the most make the beast with two backsed up shit I've ever seen. ;) Oh, and the word cavalier should never be used in conjunction with firearms training. ;)
I'm just saying that the typical reaction by Americans to Israeli weapons training was that. But when you go thru it, you understand the differences...
I watched the video, and it doesn't look like anything I experienced in training and if he was IDF for 3 years, he wasn't training special forces.
Quote from: ducatiz on November 24, 2015, 02:23:56 PM
I'm just saying that the typical reaction by Americans to Israeli weapons training was that. But when you go thru it, you understand the differences...
I watched the video, and it doesn't look like anything I experienced in training and if he was IDF for 3 years, he wasn't training special forces.
[thumbsup]
Circular firing squad training?
First IDPA match........
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_nRsAe7vIg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_nRsAe7vIg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTn1o1E6Fss (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTn1o1E6Fss)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ir9aVGptBg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ir9aVGptBg)
[thumbsup]
185,345 background checks for gun purchases on Black Friday.
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 01, 2015, 07:58:46 PM
185,345 background checks for gun purchases on Black Friday.
against my better judgement I went to Turners (local chain) for BF, I was pleasantly surprised at how much inventory they had of the special deals and how patient all the consumers were.
Many purchasing new firearms, in fact the young lady in front of me had just "jailed" an evil black rifle. [thumbsup]
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 01, 2015, 07:58:46 PM
185,345 background checks for gun purchases on Black Friday.
95% of them with unique SSNs.
LGS has been super busy here, likely San Bernardino is having an effect.
Those that want to be ready and those that are seeing that the lawmakers are gonna try more BS.
Quote from: red baron on December 05, 2015, 06:20:27 AM
LGS has been super busy here, likely San Bernardino is having an effect.
Those that want to be ready and those that are seeing that the lawmakers are gonna try more BS.
Yup. I was eyeballing some items on a local list that had been lingering for a while and POOF they're all gone.
the Black Friday figures for NICS clearances is telling: 185,000 in a single day, highest ever.
Faaaaak me. :P
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN-WkMc7CAk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN-WkMc7CAk)
They need to replace the batteries on some of that steel. :D
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 06, 2015, 07:31:25 AM
They need to replace the batteries on some of that steel. :D
Soft nose rounds. [thumbsup]
Anyone reload 37mm?
I could make you dies.
And a press.
:D
Quote from: ducatiz on December 07, 2015, 11:56:26 AM
let's talk!
Good lord. Well, write up a thorough liability release form, sign it and email it too me ;)
It will look just like the single stage press in my basement only probably 4x the size.
Case lube or carbide dies?
This retirement shit is killing me. Another 500rd morning
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/9729B0B7-6C5F-40CA-AA29-7A6613D1038B.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/9729B0B7-6C5F-40CA-AA29-7A6613D1038B.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/th_E9AFAED1-BDF8-4EFF-9FCE-2785471AA952.jpg) (http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/E9AFAED1-BDF8-4EFF-9FCE-2785471AA952.mp4)
Multiple tgt indexing at normal guy speed. In these two vids, you guys with small hands like mine notice I'm using my non firing hand to manipulate the mag release and slide release. This way you don't have to break your strong hand grip like dudes with normal size hands do.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-12/th_B2CD8F60-4BAB-41BA-9DF5-CF7C9488631B.jpg) (http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-12/B2CD8F60-4BAB-41BA-9DF5-CF7C9488631B.mp4)
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 07, 2015, 03:01:03 PM
This retirement shit is killing me. Another 500rd morning
Sucks to be you, not! ;D
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 07, 2015, 03:01:03 PM
This retirement shit is killing me. Another 500rd morning
<snip>
Yer breakin' my heart bro. ;D
Quote from: ducpainter on December 07, 2015, 05:59:57 PM
Let me button up my shirt... [beer]
I have an extra stool. :D
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 07, 2015, 03:01:03 PM
This retirement shit is killing me. Another 500rd morning
Sucks that you have to pay for your own ammo now? ;)
Quote from: Rotor Head on December 07, 2015, 07:51:25 PM
Sucks that you have to pay for your own ammo now? ;)
No shit, I'm on about an $800 a month habit right now. I could be paying for a Z06. ;)
Get Frank to put you on the books, then you can at least write it off.
Quote from: DRKWNG on December 07, 2015, 09:11:20 PM
Get Frank to put you on the books, then you can at least write it off.
;)
Kopf, the videos are pics! Got links to vids???
Quote from: GK on December 07, 2015, 10:39:58 PM
Kopf, the videos are pics! Got links to vids???
They don't open when you click on them?
I had another go. The second did, but the first one was still a no goer!
Quote from: GK on December 08, 2015, 01:28:39 AM
I had another go. The second did, but the first one was still a no goer!
get off that damn phone and use a computer. ;D
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 07, 2015, 07:58:16 PM
No shit, I'm on about an $800 a month habit right now. I could be paying for a Z06. ;)
minus the tire bills. [evil]
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 07, 2015, 12:37:59 PM
Good lord. Well, write up a thorough liability release form, sign it and email it too me ;)
It will look just like the single stage press in my basement only probably 4x the size.
Case lube or carbide dies?
I'll email you. 37mm cases are different. They even make some that are cardboard.
Set up two of the bay's for the class on thur., I was only able to shoot 3.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/A3A4FA24-C19B-4366-ADAA-BD996C7465B6.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/A3A4FA24-C19B-4366-ADAA-BD996C7465B6.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/29DBCED1-FA13-41C4-BDC5-D8CF37797E56.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/29DBCED1-FA13-41C4-BDC5-D8CF37797E56.jpg.html)
Quote from: ducpainter on December 08, 2015, 03:27:10 AM
get off that damn phone and use a computer. ;D
Ease up DP! 😉
One of the guys from the class working on the C clamp.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/068A11F3-937F-4732-B0E9-1D07E1FFFE3B_4.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/068A11F3-937F-4732-B0E9-1D07E1FFFE3B_4.jpg.html)
Is C clamp code for repurposing that tree?
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 10, 2015, 06:34:55 PM
Is C clamp code for repurposing that tree?
:D No, the technique he's using with his left hand.
Makes sense.
Anyone looking to sell any 22 WMR ammo?
All pistol today
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/099ABB9C-940B-4A11-A267-66AC361A2E2E.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/099ABB9C-940B-4A11-A267-66AC361A2E2E.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/B152181A-D975-4558-A345-BB411C1BBD9C.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/B152181A-D975-4558-A345-BB411C1BBD9C.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/4C5E507B-061D-4122-A03B-4B2CD1804CAD.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/4C5E507B-061D-4122-A03B-4B2CD1804CAD.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/907CAAAF-A058-4244-8011-1D24B8D935E4.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/907CAAAF-A058-4244-8011-1D24B8D935E4.jpg.html)
Quote from: ducpainter on December 11, 2015, 03:54:37 PM
Anyone looking to sell any 22 WMR ammo?
I found 250 rounds at Cabela's a few months ago and gave it to my hunting buddy.
Haven't seen any out there since then :(
Quote from: Zaster on December 11, 2015, 04:49:56 PM
I found 250 rounds at Cabela's a few months ago and gave it to my hunting buddy.
Haven't seen any out there since then :(
It's a tough find these days.
These guys have some.
http://www.luckygunner.com/rimfire/22-wmr-ammo (http://www.luckygunner.com/rimfire/22-wmr-ammo)
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 11, 2015, 05:22:31 PM
These guys have some.
http://www.luckygunner.com/rimfire/22-wmr-ammo (http://www.luckygunner.com/rimfire/22-wmr-ammo)
Now that's pricey
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 11, 2015, 05:22:31 PM
These guys have some.
http://www.luckygunner.com/rimfire/22-wmr-ammo (http://www.luckygunner.com/rimfire/22-wmr-ammo)
Dood...
I can shoot my .223 for half that.
I can find it...I'm not giving both nuts.
Just sayin'. :-*
If you only give one you'll walk crooked. ;)
http://www.midwayusa.com/22-winchester-magnum-rimfire-wmr/br?cid=10019 (http://www.midwayusa.com/22-winchester-magnum-rimfire-wmr/br?cid=10019)
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 11, 2015, 05:59:54 PM
http://www.midwayusa.com/22-winchester-magnum-rimfire-wmr/br?cid=10019 (http://www.midwayusa.com/22-winchester-magnum-rimfire-wmr/br?cid=10019)
Yup... not one choice available. ;)
22 mag is tough because they're all making lr. [thumbsup]
Quote from: ducpainter on December 11, 2015, 03:54:37 PM
Anyone looking to sell any 22 WMR ammo?
http://ammoseek.com/ammo/22-magnum (http://ammoseek.com/ammo/22-magnum)
nevermind
Quitter
;D
Quote from: ducpainter on December 11, 2015, 03:54:37 PM
Anyone looking to sell any 22 WMR ammo?
I may have 2 boxes of it left over. Sold a 22 mag revolver.
Frank setting the standard during the class yesterday.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/th_18F68F7D-BD3C-4516-888D-C1AA6ADD82CC.jpg) (http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/18F68F7D-BD3C-4516-888D-C1AA6ADD82CC.mp4)
He sure can shoot.
Quote from: DRKWNG on December 12, 2015, 01:38:00 PM
He sure can shoot.
Indeed, where did he get a jam free 1911? [cheeky]
Quote from: ducatiz on December 12, 2015, 06:50:22 AM
I may have 2 boxes of it left over. Sold a 22 mag revolver.
Let me know if you want to move it.
Quote from: red baron on December 12, 2015, 02:04:29 PM
Indeed, where did he get a jam free 1911? [cheeky]
That's a $4k Wilson Combat 9mm.
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 12, 2015, 03:02:50 PM
It's ridiculous bro.
I know. I've checked out all of his YouTube vids, and bought the handgun DVD. I especially dig that the Dynamic Pie guys are with him on the DVD.
Quote from: DRKWNG on December 12, 2015, 05:14:46 PM
I know. I've checked out all of his YouTube vids, and bought the handgun DVD. I especially dig that the Dynamic Pie guys are with him on the DVD.
In person, when your shooting the same drills it's even more impressive. I'll never shoot that smooth.
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 12, 2015, 03:01:02 PM
That's a $4k Wilson Combat 9mm.
What makes it worth that kind of money?
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 12, 2015, 07:02:42 PM
What makes it worth that kind of money?
You'd really have to read up on them. It has a lot to do with fit and finish. My STI is really really nice, but it's night and day between them. That is, these two particular models. There are plenty of STI guns that are as expensive as the Wilson that Frank is running. (he has a few of them as well)
http://wilsoncombat.com/new/handgun-new-protector.asp#.VmzkeBJb2K0 (http://wilsoncombat.com/new/handgun-new-protector.asp#.VmzkeBJb2K0)
[thumbsup]
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 12, 2015, 07:19:05 PM
You'd really have to read up on them. It has a lot to do with fit and finish. My STI is really really nice, but it's night and day between them. That is, these two particular models. There are plenty of STI guns that are as expensive as the Wilson that Frank is running. (he has a few of them as well)
http://wilsoncombat.com/new/handgun-new-protector.asp#.VmzkeBJb2K0 (http://wilsoncombat.com/new/handgun-new-protector.asp#.VmzkeBJb2K0)
I know you are way more knowledgeable than me when it comes to firearms.
Why wouldn't a M&P with a 17 round mag at a fraction of the cost do the job?
Quote from: Zaster on December 12, 2015, 08:20:55 PM
I know you are way more knowledgeable than me when it comes to firearms.
Why wouldn't a M&P with a 17 round mag at a fraction of the cost do the job?
It'll do 'a' job, but if you're competing you have to have the best available equipment. On that note Frank would out shoot us all if he was running his M&P and we were running his Wilson.
My bad [bang] I was focusing on the shooting before. I just realized he didn't do a mag change, so that means he was shooting his Marauder on that drill.
http://stiguns.com/guns/marauder/ (http://stiguns.com/guns/marauder/)
Quote from: ducpainter on December 12, 2015, 02:25:58 PM
Let me know if you want to move it.
i really have no need for it.. i know shipping it is a pregnant dog, look into it and get back to me
i will pull it out. i think it's two boxes of CCI
Quote from: ducatiz on December 14, 2015, 08:15:13 AM
i really have no need for it.. i know shipping it is a pregnant dog, look into it and get back to me
i will pull it out. i think it's two boxes of CCI
I'll pm you.
Looking to purchasing my first firearm.
Now, I've shot a ton, everything from pistols (9mm Beretta sidearm, .357Magnum revolver) to rifles (M14, M16) to shotguns (Mossberg 12Ga, 16Ga), but I've never owned one.
I live in California, which limits me some, however my father lives in AZ. Intra-familiar transfers appear to be fairly easy and are exempted from a lot of the normal CA requirements.
That being said, I'm looking at something in a .40. Cabela's is having a pretty smoking deal ($299) on the S&W SD40. Haven't read any bad reviews.
Recommendations for a .40 at $500 or below?
What are you going to use it for?
Range use?
Quote from: ducpainter on December 15, 2015, 11:09:27 AM
What are you going to use it for?
Range use?
Home use. Both the wife and I will be spending a good amount of time at the range with it. She has shot before as well, but as with any weapon, you want to be as familiar as possible with it to be proficient.
You might consider something with a bit more weight to tame the recoil for her.
A rail with a light is a good thing for a HD gun.
Quote from: ducpainter on December 15, 2015, 11:19:54 AM
You might consider something with a bit more weight to tame the recoil for her.
A rail with a light is a good thing for a HD gun.
It feels like it has a decent amount of heft. That being said, I haven't shot it yet.
The M-9 weighs 33+ oz.
The SW is 22.7.
That's a significant difference.
Keep in mind that it doesn't matter what caliber you miss with or how fast you miss.
Another beautiful day at the range.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-12/th_74F10C0B-E2E8-4F5E-9C38-D92C29DFB9F4.jpg) (http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-12/74F10C0B-E2E8-4F5E-9C38-D92C29DFB9F4.mp4)
You're getting faster...
Quote from: ducpainter on December 15, 2015, 02:32:28 PM
You're getting faster...
I'm fighting time now bro. My eyes ain't no buéno. :D
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 15, 2015, 02:41:07 PM
I'm fighting time now bro. My eyes ain't no buéno. :D
Preaching to the choir...you are. ;D
Quote from: ducpainter on December 15, 2015, 03:14:17 PM
Getting old is not for the timid. ;)
I'm all in till I'm ash. ;)
Quote from: ducpainter on December 15, 2015, 12:55:26 PM
~~~SNIP~~~
Keep in mind that it doesn't matter what caliber you miss with or how fast you miss.
Depends on what's downrange.
But that's more in support of your point than not.
Quote from: NAKID on December 15, 2015, 11:03:15 AM
Looking to purchasing my first firearm.
Now, I've shot a ton, everything from pistols (9mm Beretta sidearm, .357Magnum revolver) to rifles (M14, M16) to shotguns (Mossberg 12Ga, 16Ga), but I've never owned one.
I live in California, which limits me some, however my father lives in AZ. Intra-familiar transfers appear to be fairly easy and are exempted from a lot of the normal CA requirements.
That being said, I'm looking at something in a .40. Cabela's is having a pretty smoking deal ($299) on the S&W SD40. Haven't read any bad reviews.
Recommendations for a .40 at $500 or below?
Does your pops already own the firearm? Don't want it to appear as a "straw" purchase, especially in light of the recent events in SB.
For a range gun, better off with 9mm due to ammo costs, less recoil, and more selections on the effing roster.
There's a great indoor range in Oceanside that has tons of rentals, lane price is $14 for the day and ammo and firearm rental prices are VERY reasonable.
You got my number if you need a loaner, all you gotta do is feed it. ;D
Quote from: ducpainter on December 15, 2015, 02:43:24 PM
Preaching to the choir...you are. ;D
Amen to that, what front sight. [laugh]
I'm gonna do Cowboy style from now on. [evil]
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 15, 2015, 02:03:22 PM
Another beautiful day at the range.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-12/th_74F10C0B-E2E8-4F5E-9C38-D92C29DFB9F4.jpg) (http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-12/74F10C0B-E2E8-4F5E-9C38-D92C29DFB9F4.mp4)
Rock on bro! [thumbsup]
Quote from: ducpainter on December 11, 2015, 03:54:37 PM
Anyone looking to sell any 22 WMR ammo?
I stopped by Riley's this weekend. They had some. Didn't look at the price.
I didn't buy anything. The line was too long for me.
https://www.laxammo.com/ (https://www.laxammo.com/)
LAX Ammo has some good deals. Yesterday they had 9mm for less than $0.18 a round. 556 is on sale today. No real deal today.
I bought some of their reloaded 38 spl. It worked great. I'll buy from them again.
They don't have WMR, and their price is not what I consider good.
The guy that does my transfers will sell me 22 WMR for $11 a box when it gets in. I'm not paying a $4 a box spiff plus freight because someone has it today. Hunting season is pretty much over except for snowshoe hare which runs until March. I'll find some. I may get down to Rileys. but I doubt it. I may check in VT when I'm there over Christmas.
Quote from: red baron on December 15, 2015, 08:36:02 PM
Does your pops already own the firearm? Don't want it to appear as a "straw" purchase, especially in light of the recent events in SB.
For a range gun, better off with 9mm due to ammo costs, less recoil, and more selections on the effing roster.
There's a great indoor range in Oceanside that has tons of rentals, lane price is $14 for the day and ammo and firearm rental prices are VERY reasonable.
You got my number if you need a loaner, all you gotta do is feed it. ;D
It's only a straw purchase if I wasn't able to own a firearm and/or was not planning on registering it. The fact that I will be filing the form for the intra-familiar transfer negates that. It asks for make, model, serial number, country of origin, how (and who) I obtained ownership from.
Quote from: ducpainter on December 15, 2015, 12:55:26 PM
The M-9 weighs 33+ oz.
The SW is 22.7.
That's a significant difference.
Keep in mind that it doesn't matter what caliber you miss with or how fast you miss.
No doubt. That's why there will be range time for familiarization and continued proficiency. We may head to the local range and see what we can get our hands on to test out.
Personally I see no point in the 40 Short&Weak.
9mm projectiles have come miles. Check out some of the more recent tests.
Phuc Long is at it again. This dudes hilarious, and he can shoot.
http://youtu.be/Yq0ztaCwb-A (http://youtu.be/Yq0ztaCwb-A)
Quote from: NAKID on December 16, 2015, 12:19:11 PM
It's only a straw purchase if I wasn't able to own a firearm and/or was not planning on registering it. The fact that I will be filing the form for the intra-familiar transfer negates that. It asks for make, model, serial number, country of origin, how (and who) I obtained ownership from.
No doubt. That's why there will be range time for familiarization and continued proficiency. We may head to the local range and see what we can get our hands on to test out.
That's not how a straw purchase laws works as I understand it. INAL and YMMV, but see Abramski v US (http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/abramski-v-united-states/)
Quote
Regardless whether the actual buyer could have purchased the gun, a person who buys a gun on someone else's behalf while falsely claiming that it is for himself makes a material misrepresentation punishable under 18 U.S.C. § 922(a)(6), which prohibits knowingly making false statements “with respect to any fact material to the lawfulness of a sale of a gun.â€
Just saying be careful.
We don't do gun law people.
Quote from: ducpainter on December 16, 2015, 01:21:26 PM
We don't do gun law people.
I would if she was hot. ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Speedbag on December 16, 2015, 03:03:09 PM
I would if she was hot. ;D ;D ;D
Let me put it another way...
just for you Dave...
Bite me. :-*
Interesting article. A study by the FBI regarding 9mm vs .40
http://concealednation.org/2014/10/fbi-decides-on-9mm-as-their-1-choice-and-have-tons-of-science-behind-their-decision/ (http://concealednation.org/2014/10/fbi-decides-on-9mm-as-their-1-choice-and-have-tons-of-science-behind-their-decision/)
make the beast with two backs the FBI, not even gonna read it. :D
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 16, 2015, 05:14:57 PM
make the beast with two backs the FBI, not even gonna read it. :D
Hahaha. It's actually a decent read. All about the science behind it.
Quote from: ducpainter on December 16, 2015, 01:21:26 PM
We don't do gun law people.
hong kong foooey, cuz ya'll don't have any.
just don't want to see an issue arise, here in the Republik things are different. ;D
Quote from: red baron on December 16, 2015, 05:39:00 PM
hong kong foooey, cuz ya'll don't have any.
just don't want to see an issue arise, here in the Republik things are different. ;D
Very different....
Quote from: red baron on December 16, 2015, 05:39:00 PM
hong kong foooey, cuz ya'll don't have any.
just don't want to see an issue arise, here in the Republik things are different. ;D
Don't make me pull this car over...
Don't like 'em...move.
Don't discuss it here.
Aka, don't get this thread locked.
Back on track, NAKID, give the CZSP01 a try, super low recoil and a pretty well built 9mm.
Quote from: red baron on December 18, 2015, 06:38:24 AM
Back on track, NAKID, give the CZSP01 a try, super low recoil and a pretty well built 9mm.
Excellent rec...a little over his price point though...no?
Quote from: ducpainter on December 18, 2015, 12:30:23 PM
Excellent rec...a little over his price point though...no?
Yeah, a little out of my current price range.
Frank got a new attachment for the tractor, so we seeded the rifle range part of the range.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/77180A38-3CCB-4B76-8A89-79E08E9F322B.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/77180A38-3CCB-4B76-8A89-79E08E9F322B.jpg.html)
This dude showed up at the wrong time.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/F26CB228-3CB4-4FD0-AF5E-547A9C2030D8.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/F26CB228-3CB4-4FD0-AF5E-547A9C2030D8.jpg.html)
Then I burned up another 500rds. All in all a good day at the range.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/th_40DCD721-E4D2-404C-B620-856F9792C460.jpg) (http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/40DCD721-E4D2-404C-B620-856F9792C460.mp4)
Quote from: NAKID on December 18, 2015, 01:18:31 PM
Yeah, a little out of my current price range.
Go test drive it. [evil]
Quote from: red baron on December 18, 2015, 03:29:07 PM
Go test drive it. [evil]
I agree...the CZ pistols, and rifles for that matter, are worth the look. They're a good deal.
Quote from: NAKID on December 18, 2015, 01:18:31 PM
Yeah, a little out of my current price range.
If you like the CZ, look at the Canik clone
The Berea BP9CC is a nice compact 9mm with good reviews and low price.
Lurk on gunbroker.
Compact might be the opposite of what he wants if he's gonna have wife using it.
BTW did you mean Bersa?
Don't buy some pos clone. Gun shops are full of used ones. Hell I'll double your money to get what you really want.
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 19, 2015, 08:22:13 AM
Don't buy some pos clone. Gun shops are full of used ones. Hell I'll double your money to get what you really want.
The Canik's are actually pretty good D.
There's also good support for them from well respected CZ 'smiths.
Word.
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 19, 2015, 08:22:13 AM
Don't buy some pos clone. Gun shops are full of used ones. Hell I'll double your money to get what you really want.
The Caniks CZ clones are very good. They've been making them for 30 years. Plenty of support for them.
Quote from: red baron on December 19, 2015, 06:21:19 AM
Compact might be the opposite of what he wants if he's gonna have wife using it.
BTW did you mean Bersa?
Yes, Bersa. They have made decent guns for a while -- not the prettiest. However, this new one is very interesting and I've only heard good reviews of them.
I know the importer and they are having trouble keeping them in stock. They sell as fast as they get them.
The BP comes in 380, 9 and 40. I haven't used one, but I've handled their 9mm Thunder and it was impressive especially given the price.
I would not plan to put 30,000 rounds thru it, but would have no problem carrying one. They are about the same size as the Kahr P9
pix
http://mediahighresphotos.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/Bersa/BP9MCC_BPCC9mmMatte_8/WEB/ (http://mediahighresphotos.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/Bersa/BP9MCC_BPCC9mmMatte_8/WEB/)
Buds has the Bersa for $350.. pretty amazing price imho
comment removed, before DP flames me.
Bersa is not an option. :P
Just picked up a Shiloh Sharps 45-70 to give to a client for Christmas. Hand made here in Montana - beautiful fit and finish. Up to a two year wait list for this rifle (but I know a guy ;)). This is a slightly upgraded 1874 model - like the one from "Quigley Down Under." I think the rifle in the film was a 45-110 though. I got to shoot one of these a couple of years ago. Very fun and nice shooting rifle. Getting the rear vernier sight and companion front sight this week - hopefully. Wish I could afford one of these for myself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLP1s0IeIWw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLP1s0IeIWw)
(http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k445/majmontana/IMG_1793_zpscsfdadyc.jpg)
(http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k445/majmontana/IMG_1800_zps31ge9zl9.jpg)
(http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k445/majmontana/IMG_1791_zpssthro0dz.jpg)
suhweet, must be a helluva client. [thumbsup]
Quote from: red baron on December 20, 2015, 10:00:00 AM
suhweet, must be a helluva client. [thumbsup]
Truly, a helluva guy - can't wait to give it to him.
Review of the Canik/Tristar CZ clone
http://www.guns.com/review/2014/05/29/tristar-t-120-the-turkish-delight-of-cz-75-clones-video/ (http://www.guns.com/review/2014/05/29/tristar-t-120-the-turkish-delight-of-cz-75-clones-video/)
Anyone pick up Tulammo 223 recently? I was in Walmart yesterday and they had it for a good price so I picked up two boxes. Got it home and the bullets are silver? Just missing copper wash?
Try this.
:o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56H1601J9sE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56H1601J9sE)
Jerry is 'the' man.
Quote from: The Architect on December 21, 2015, 05:48:30 AM
Anyone pick up Tulammo 223 recently? I was in Walmart yesterday and they had it for a good price so I picked up two boxes. Got it home and the bullets are silver? Just missing copper wash?
They are coming with a zinc jacket now. Cheaper, and more nutritious.
Quote from: The Architect on December 21, 2015, 05:48:30 AM
Anyone pick up Tulammo 223 recently? I was in Walmart yesterday and they had it for a good price so I picked up two boxes. Got it home and the bullets are silver? Just missing copper wash?
Hunting werewolves?
Jerry Solo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6EQQnkUGIk#)
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 21, 2015, 07:48:38 AM
Jerry is 'the' man.
I wonder if he'd buy a Mosin at today's prices?
Quote from: ducpainter on December 21, 2015, 02:19:16 PM
I wonder if he'd buy a Mosin at today's prices?
They 'give' Jerry guns for free. ;)
Quote from: ducpainter on December 21, 2015, 02:19:16 PM
I wonder if he'd buy a Mosin at today's prices?
Saw one in Yuma for $129 last month, too much PIA to import into the Republik. :P
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 21, 2015, 04:00:55 PM
They 'give' Jerry guns for free. ;)
He was bragging about paying $39 or $59 bucks for it in the 80's
Quote from: red baron on December 21, 2015, 04:02:18 PM
Saw one in Yuma for $129 last month, too much PIA to import into the Republik. :P
They suck to shoot...Jerry can have mine. :P
With that "soft steel" butt plate? ;D
Quote from: red baron on December 21, 2015, 04:15:19 PM
With that "soft steel" butt plate? ;D
No sarcasm about that at all eh? ;)
I'd like to see what he could do with a Swede.
Quote from: ducatiz on December 21, 2015, 12:00:58 PM
They are coming with a zinc jacket now. Cheaper, and more nutritious.
Quote from: Rotor Head on December 21, 2015, 12:40:06 PM
Hunting werewolves?
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5830/23897326815_03031a9bf6_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CpJ3G8)IMG_20151221_194731 (https://flic.kr/p/CpJ3G8) by anzalone22 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/32381491@N07/), on Flickr
Quote from: ducpainter on December 21, 2015, 04:25:10 PM
No sarcasm about that at all eh? ;)
I'd like to see what he could do with a Swede.
Or a Finnish Mosin. They are an order of magnitude better than the Russian models
Quote from: ducatiz on December 21, 2015, 06:50:00 PM
Or a Finnish Mosin. They are an order of magnitude better than the Russian models
Most of it was the trigger no?
In realize they did other things to eliminate rimlock, but the Finn triggers were supposed to be excellent from my reading.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52mMfDcWcbs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52mMfDcWcbs)
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Jerry shot first.
Quote from: ducpainter on December 21, 2015, 06:53:30 PM
Most of it was the trigger no?
In realize they did other things to eliminate rimlock, but the Finn triggers were supposed to be excellent from my reading.
They rebarrelled them and polished up the sear.
The barrels are phenomenal.
For those of you that remember MotoGPFan, his business is making national news for their holiday deal:
http://www.fox5ny.com/news/59961908-story (http://www.fox5ny.com/news/59961908-story)
Nick has been a jeweler forever, but he decided to split the store into a gun shop as well. He's been running the deal now for 3 years, I almost took him up on the offer last year during Valentine's, but unfortunately life got in the way.
Quote from: duccarlos on December 22, 2015, 11:57:00 AM
For those of you that remember MotoGPFan, his business is making national news for their holiday deal:
http://www.fox5ny.com/news/59961908-story (http://www.fox5ny.com/news/59961908-story)
Nick has been a jeweler forever, but he decided to split the store into a gun shop as well. He's been running the deal now for 3 years, I almost took him up on the offer last year during Valentine's, but unfortunately life got in the way.
At least he was smart enough to not let himself be on camera! Hahaha
Yep, he let the wife do all the talking. It spread all over from the local media in Florida to Fox News. He got a call from the NY Daily News this morning. 15 minutes of fame.
Very nice!
Phuc Long is at it again. ;D
http://youtu.be/YOS065ZJwT4 (http://youtu.be/YOS065ZJwT4)
Favorite concealed carry holsters?
Ok. Go
Quote from: lazylightnin717 on December 25, 2015, 06:23:45 PM
Favorite concealed carry holsters?
Ok. Go
That'll open a can of worms. :D I've used many over the years. Currently I'm using 'EIGHT2TEN'
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/04dd633c1255381dd5aa545a8204ae45.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/04dd633c1255381dd5aa545a8204ae45.jpg.html)
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 25, 2015, 06:46:07 PM
That'll open a can of worms. :D I've used many over the years. Currently I'm using 'EIGHT2TEN'
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/04dd633c1255381dd5aa545a8204ae45.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/04dd633c1255381dd5aa545a8204ae45.jpg.html)
No worms needed :P
That's a nice looking holster. I'll check 'em out.
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 25, 2015, 06:46:07 PMThat'll open a can of worms. :D I've used many over the years. Currently I'm using 'EIGHT2TEN'
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/04dd633c1255381dd5aa545a8204ae45.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/04dd633c1255381dd5aa545a8204ae45.jpg.html)
Are you a lefty?
No, that's an IWB rig.
I have it in LH as well for carrying center of my back. I run a lefty on that so the pistol grip is reversed and closer to my right side.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/C51B936B-1E4C-421F-B094-FBC34365AD5F.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/C51B936B-1E4C-421F-B094-FBC34365AD5F.jpg.html)
Gotcha! Clever!
Sent my 19 in today to get some work done.
http://www.fire-4-effect.com/ (http://www.fire-4-effect.com/)
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 29, 2015, 02:19:22 PM
Sent my 19 in today to get some work done.
http://www.fire-4-effect.com/ (http://www.fire-4-effect.com/)
Trigger?
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 29, 2015, 02:19:22 PM
Sent my 19 in today to get some work done.
http://www.fire-4-effect.com/ (http://www.fire-4-effect.com/)
Not much for 21's. :'( [bang]
Quote from: ducpainter on December 29, 2015, 02:28:56 PM
Trigger?
Cocking serrations, PVD coating, grip modifications (removing those stupid make the beast with two backsing finger grooves) slight back strap reduction plus trigger guard undercut , and full trigger job.
Quote from: Rotor Head on December 29, 2015, 02:30:05 PM
Not much for 21's. :'( [bang]
Ding ding ding. Might be a reason. ;)
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 29, 2015, 02:51:46 PM
Cocking serrations, PVD coating, grip modifications (removing those stupid make the beast with two backsing finger grooves) slight back strap reduction plus trigger guard undercut , and full trigger job.
...and yet it will still be a Glock. ;D :-* [laugh]
Damn I crack myself up. :P
Quote from: ducpainter on December 29, 2015, 02:54:08 PM
...and yet it will still be a Glock. ;D :-* [laugh]
Damn I crack myself up. :P
:D :D
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 29, 2015, 02:53:27 PM
Ding ding ding. Might be a reason. ;)
Because nothing is needed? ;D
Quote from: ducpainter on December 29, 2015, 02:54:08 PM
...and yet it will still be a Glock. ;D :-* [laugh]
Damn I crack myself up. :P
:D Yep. It won't be anything like my STI, but it'll be sweet.
Quote from: Rotor Head on December 29, 2015, 03:01:37 PM
Because nothing is needed? ;D
Only thing it needs is a buyer.
They're all good...
Quote from: ducpainter on December 29, 2015, 03:13:50 PM
They're all good...
True, although a lot of them are good for nothing. ;)
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 29, 2015, 03:15:47 PM
True, although a lot of them are good for nothing. ;)
You can always throw them. :P
Quote from: ducpainter on December 29, 2015, 03:20:47 PM
You can always throw them. :P
They're too light to do any damage that way.
There's a reason Glock rhymes with rock. [evil]
Quote from: Rotor Head on December 29, 2015, 03:22:53 PM
They're too light to do any damage that way.
Don't make me fly out there. :D
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 29, 2015, 03:24:10 PM
Don't make me fly out there. :D
You'd kick my ass...
but I ain't skeert.
Ha, I'm retired now. It's all about peace and love for me these days.
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 29, 2015, 03:38:20 PM
Ha, I'm retired now. It's all about peace and love for me these days.
What'd you do with kopf? :P
Quote from: ducpainter on December 29, 2015, 03:39:26 PM
What'd you do with kopf? :P
Kidnapped
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/6A3816CA-9E8C-468B-B227-6905E6E47D2D.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/6A3816CA-9E8C-468B-B227-6905E6E47D2D.jpg.html)
Have fun... ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQYep23-onw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQYep23-onw)
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [clap] [clap]
Now I gotta hunt one of them down.
Anyone have any experience with CZ's double barrel, over/under, shot guns?
I think I need one in 20 gauge. :)
Quote from: The Architect on December 30, 2015, 10:21:53 AM
Anyone have any experience with CZ's double barrel, over/under, shot guns?
I think I need one in 20 gauge. :)
They're Huglu's...
they get good press. The Turks make good firearms.
Quote from: The Architect on December 30, 2015, 10:21:53 AM
Anyone have any experience with CZ's double barrel, over/under, shot guns?
I think I need one in 20 gauge. :)
They are turkish made receivers and barrels with local wood. Very nice.
OU guns are not rocket science. They were a done thing 100 years ago, so your only distinction is build quality and finish -- the actions are almost all the same.
I've seen a guy shooting skeet with a "cheapo" Stoeger hitting 99.9% of his clays and a guy with a $3000 Beretta seeding the lawn with lead.
The Stoegers are not bad looking, but it depends on your purpose ;-)
I like the Lanber that CDNN has. I might buy one just because.
(http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy130/rappevan/68BF00E5-6ACB-423B-9367-620BFDB2E924_zpstynoob7s.jpg) (http://s784.photobucket.com/user/rappevan/media/68BF00E5-6ACB-423B-9367-620BFDB2E924_zpstynoob7s.jpg.html)
Most recent acquisition
It's a Ruger! Good choice. ;)
Look, another glock knock off.
http://beta.ruger.com/products/rugerAmericanPistol/specSheets/8605.html (http://beta.ruger.com/products/rugerAmericanPistol/specSheets/8605.html)
Quote from: ducatiz on December 30, 2015, 11:45:52 AM
I've seen a guy shooting skeet with a "cheapo" Stoeger hitting 99.9% of his clays and a guy with a $3000 Beretta seeding the lawn with lead.
This. [laugh]
Quote from: The Architect on December 31, 2015, 04:58:54 AM
It's a Ruger! Good choice. ;)
Look, another glock knock off.
http://beta.ruger.com/products/rugerAmericanPistol/specSheets/8605.html (http://beta.ruger.com/products/rugerAmericanPistol/specSheets/8605.html)
Looks nice. Anybody shot one, or is it still too new to the market?
Quote from: GK on December 31, 2015, 06:28:33 AM
Looks nice. Anybody shot one, or is it still too new to the market?
not avail in CA :P
The young Marine is home on leave, so I took him to the range to un-make the beast with two backs him.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/6DAA2787-6ABE-427E-B4DB-02249A29352B.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/6DAA2787-6ABE-427E-B4DB-02249A29352B.jpg.html)
where's the best place to buy a quality 300 upper for my AR? I don't care to break the bank but would like the versatility of swapping out when hunting bacon.
Quote from: muskrat on December 31, 2015, 06:46:45 PM
where's the best place to buy a quality 300 upper for my AR? I don't care to break the bank but would like the versatility of swapping out when hunting bacon.
It's kinda hit or miss. Different shops have deals at different times. Gunbroker is a good spot to catch some deals. You can just google what you want, and sometimes a good deal will pop up.
Quote from: muskrat on December 31, 2015, 06:46:45 PM
where's the best place to buy a quality 300 upper for my AR? I don't care to break the bank but would like the versatility of swapping out when hunting bacon.
Palmetto State Armory
Rock River Arms, makes some great ones if you can purchase from them. California they will no longer ship to.
I looked at palmetto and found this http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-8-5-ss-300-aac-pl-1-8-sts-6-upper-no-bcg-or-charging-handle.html (http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-8-5-ss-300-aac-pl-1-8-sts-6-upper-no-bcg-or-charging-handle.html)
What do you think?
You want to go with that short of an upper?
Quote from: muskrat on December 31, 2015, 10:53:02 PM
I looked at palmetto and found this http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-8-5-ss-300-aac-pl-1-8-sts-6-upper-no-bcg-or-charging-handle.html (http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-8-5-ss-300-aac-pl-1-8-sts-6-upper-no-bcg-or-charging-handle.html)
What do you think?
What do you plan on using it for?
Do you have a tax stamp for SBR?
This seems like a very good deal, as it's complete.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_7_22/1396432_Daniel_Defense_Factory_300Blkout_Custom_10_3_Upper.html (http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_7_22/1396432_Daniel_Defense_Factory_300Blkout_Custom_10_3_Upper.html)
This is an even better deal.
https://www.westernsport.com/product/22974/ (https://www.westernsport.com/product/22974/)
Crap, no I want one.... :P
Quote from: red baron on January 01, 2016, 07:51:07 AM
This is an even better deal.
https://www.westernsport.com/product/22974/ (https://www.westernsport.com/product/22974/)
Crap, no I want one.... :P
dam you [bang] [bang] [bang] [bang]
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 01, 2016, 12:02:34 AM
You want to go with that short of an upper?
yeah I don't mind.
Quote from: muskrat on January 01, 2016, 11:46:25 AM
yeah I don't mind.
Your coin. Rock on then.
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-9-300-BLACKOUT-KeyMod-KMR-A8-p/bcm-urg-300blk-9-kmr-a8.htm (http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-9-300-BLACKOUT-KeyMod-KMR-A8-p/bcm-urg-300blk-9-kmr-a8.htm)
Quote from: muskrat on January 01, 2016, 11:46:25 AM
yeah I don't mind.
You can't yet. I'll help you with the Form 1's if you want to go that short.
Quote from: zach on January 01, 2016, 02:29:06 PM
You can't yet. I'll help you with the Form 1's if you want to go that short.
Sure you can, it's just gun parts not a complete gun. Now owning it put together is different.
Glad to see this thread is still alive! Happy New Year to you folks.
fastwin
... yeah, I'm still alive. Sort of.
Ride on.
Quote from: fastwin on January 01, 2016, 04:40:08 PM
Glad to see this thread is still alive! Happy New Year to you folks.
fastwin
... yeah, I'm still alive. Sort of.
Ride on.
Nice to see you Brian.
Yeah, no shit. [drink]
It's nice to be seen.
Been shooting but not riding. Sad but OK. Sick, hurt... but it's all caused by living. If I was dead I wouldn't have these problems. Hahaha!!
No big deal. Don't ask.
Guns: Got a G-43 for carry. Open carry just started today in TX but will refrain. Kills the surprise/tactical advantage in my book. (No politics here Nate!! Hahaha!) Put some Heinie Straight 8 nights sights on it. All goodness! Shoots and runs like all Glocks. My Les Baer Commander is depressed. Doesn't get the attention it used to.
fastwin
Happy New Year to you all.
I grabbed the 42 about 4-5 months before the 43 came out. I'm gonna pick that up next. [thumbsup]
Wish I could get a 43.... :P
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 01, 2016, 07:38:21 PM
Get a 36.
I like having one caliber around, so 9 it is, 43 it is not (for now).
SP01 Tactical is next on the list.
Quote from: red baron on January 01, 2016, 07:57:40 PM
I like having one caliber around, so 9 it is, 43 it is not (for now).
SP01 Tactical is next on the list.
26 then.
Hopefully they've got the batteries on those steel targets replaced for tomorrow's match. ;D
Quote from: red baron on January 01, 2016, 08:05:13 PM
Hopefully they've got the batteries on those steel targets replaced for tomorrow's match. ;D
Bring some extra just in case. ;)
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 01, 2016, 07:38:21 PM
Get a 36.
Got one too. Great little gun and love .45acp. But still groovin' on the light, thin 43 in the little boy caliber. Got a Galco Miami Classic type shoulder rig for it in the works. Maybe a late January delivery.
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 01, 2016, 08:06:59 PM
Bring some extra just in case. ;)
Well I figured out today my sight had come loose, too bad I found out after this was shot. [laugh]
http://youtu.be/c9yrD_Caki8 (http://youtu.be/c9yrD_Caki8)
:D Shit happens
LGS got it fixed right up for me on my way home.
Maybe tomorrow I'll go verify it. ;D
Actually after that video, I was shooting very well, the range master had a great setup today with large no-shoots in front of small targets.
Nothing like a day shooting steel. [thumbsup]
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 01, 2016, 02:42:47 PM
Sure you can, it's just gun parts not a complete gun. Now owning it put together is different.
Careful. Look up "constructive possession ." Several alphabet prosecutions for just that.
/nuf
Shot my 1911, LC9s, and my buddies SP40 yesterday back to back.
I'm keeping the 1911 and my buddy is now looking for one.
That was my first time out with my compact Ruger and I couldn't hit a damn thing. Pretty disappointed with that.
What distance?
Those long pull subcompact pistols can be tough with the short sight radius. They're really meant for close up. That said, a buddy of mine can shoot my little Kahr at 25 yards like I can a full size pistol. :-\
I was shooting well at 7-10 yards but once I got out past 15 it went to shit.
How do you like that Kahr? They have one used at my local shop for a decent price.
Quote from: lazylightnin717 on January 03, 2016, 07:51:30 AM
I was shooting well at 7-10 yards but once I got out past 15 it went to shit.
How do you like that Kahr? They have one used at my local shop for a decent price.
It's a CM-9. It's not 'fun' to shoot, but isn't brutal, and I'm not really accurate with it, but the gun has proven itself in other hands.
It does what it's supposed to do...goes bang every time, is easy to conceal, and is light. The price was decent even new when I bought it a few years ago.
Quote from: lazylightnin717 on January 03, 2016, 07:51:30 AM
I was shooting well at 7-10 yards but once I got out past 15 it went to shit.
How do you like that Kahr? They have one used at my local shop for a decent price.
Should just take a few practice shots... ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Fwb-9aYDa0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Fwb-9aYDa0)
Quote from: lazylightnin717 on January 03, 2016, 07:51:30 AM
I was shooting well at 7-10 yards but once I got out past 15 it went to shit.
How do you like that Kahr? They have one used at my local shop for a decent price.
It's not meant to be be engaging threats past 15yds. For make the beast with two backs sake not past 7 for that matter.
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 03, 2016, 08:16:50 AM
It's not meant to be be engaging threats past 15yds. For make the beast with two backs sake not past 7 for that matter.
Yup. I have a Smith and Wesson body guard in 380 with a laser. 7 yards is a stretch.
Quote from: lazylightnin717 on January 03, 2016, 06:48:40 AM
That was my first time out with my compact Ruger and I couldn't hit a damn thing. Pretty disappointed with that.
All those small guns are going to be the same. They're not full size 1911's.
It's not the gun either.
Even with my 1911, I'm not much of a good shot past 15 yards.
No shame in my game :P
Quote from: lazylightnin717 on January 03, 2016, 02:31:01 PM
It's not the gun either.
Even with my 1911, I'm not much of a good shot past 15 yards.
No shame in my game :P
:D Keep training. Dry fire everyday, 10-15 mins. Doesn't cost a dime.
I'm under the impression dry firing the Ruger is a big old no no.
Quote from: lazylightnin717 on January 03, 2016, 03:14:10 PM
I'm under the impression dry firing the Ruger is a big old no no.
Then shoot the thing... ;D
Quote from: lazylightnin717 on January 03, 2016, 03:14:10 PM
I'm under the impression dry firing the Ruger is a big old no no.
Nope
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 03, 2016, 03:24:28 PM
Nope
Do you use snap caps or just let it go on an empty chamber?
Quote from: ducpainter on January 03, 2016, 03:36:34 PM
Do you use snap caps or just let it go on an empty chamber?
Dry dry with any semi. Some of the revolvers I'd use snap caps. Nothing wrong using em in the semis either, just not necessary. I dry fire the make the beast with two backs out of my guns. Hell, every range session starts with dry fire work.
On that note. If you dry fire, go to a room, garage whatever with NO make the beast with two backsing ammo. Train, then either load (if that's your carry gun) or put it away. When I was training the FAM's they came to me and asked I not teach dry firing to the students because one of them shot a hole through his hotel wall. I said 'well he wasn't make the beast with two backsing dry firing then'. :D
LMAO
[clap]
Dry firing made a huge difference for me when it comes to getting more accurate and comfortable with a new pistol.
Thanks to Kopfjäger's previous advice [thumbsup]
Quote from: lazylightnin717 on January 03, 2016, 07:51:30 AM
I was shooting well at 7-10 yards but once I got out past 15 it went to shit.
How do you like that Kahr? They have one used at my local shop for a decent price.
for that pistol, anything past "social work" distance is irrelevant.
Worked out some aggression today.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/C402B963-433B-4D1A-A9DC-60A1E34A4907.png) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/C402B963-433B-4D1A-A9DC-60A1E34A4907.png.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/C09FA353-9F19-45C9-8542-9D3D841D37C5.png) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/C09FA353-9F19-45C9-8542-9D3D841D37C5.png.html)
Yeah, but can you do the Gross Motor Skill Reload?
Quote from: DRKWNG on January 07, 2016, 04:58:27 PM
Yeah, but can you do the Gross Motor Skill Reload?
That dude is my hero. I'm gonna try and shoot a video with him this year.
[thumbsup]
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 07, 2016, 01:45:51 PM
Worked out some aggression today.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/C402B963-433B-4D1A-A9DC-60A1E34A4907.png) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/C402B963-433B-4D1A-A9DC-60A1E34A4907.png.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/C09FA353-9F19-45C9-8542-9D3D841D37C5.png) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/C09FA353-9F19-45C9-8542-9D3D841D37C5.png.html)
I wouldn't want to mess with this guy! Lol!
Looks good kopf!
Quote from: GK on January 08, 2016, 04:05:35 AM
I wouldn't want to mess with this guy! Lol!
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-bbVMsNA7tSw/VgHRCytJFBI/AAAAAAAAuoQ/P-StoA7DZDU/s1600/FB_IMG_1442952912290.jpg)
;)
That too RH! Lol!
Hey kopf...
flyboy just called you old. ;D
Quote from: ducpainter on January 08, 2016, 02:27:07 PM
Hey kopf...
flyboy just called you old. ;D
Yes, even older man, I did, as MSG Muldoon was born years (possibly more that a decade) before me. :-*
(http://famousdude.com/images/aldo-ray-09.jpg)
:D
Buncha kids... ;D
Quote from: ducpainter on January 08, 2016, 02:27:07 PM
Hey kopf...
flyboy just called you old. ;D
Yup, I saw it too ;D
These guys sell all kinds of kit, they also have weekly specials.
www.opticsplanet.com (//http://) (//http://)
More range work
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/th_219643AC-EE0D-4182-A8D5-A61AE1E2B779.jpg) (http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/219643AC-EE0D-4182-A8D5-A61AE1E2B779.mp4)
Like a Glock robot. [thumbsup]
Quote from: red baron on January 10, 2016, 10:46:49 AM
Like a Glock robot. [thumbsup]
Ha, average at best. 'This' is a machine.
http://youtu.be/CkKc2w2sPxs (http://youtu.be/CkKc2w2sPxs)
Impressive, Obi Wan has taught him well!
Maybe being an international spy isn't all it's cracked up to be.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/01/11/potd-kgb-rectal-gun-ultimate-concealed-carry/ (http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/01/11/potd-kgb-rectal-gun-ultimate-concealed-carry/)
Stinky Soviet job! Talk about taking one for the team! Lol!
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 10, 2016, 01:05:46 PM
Ha, average at best. 'This' is a machine.
http://youtu.be/CkKc2w2sPxs (http://youtu.be/CkKc2w2sPxs)
Crazy
Super crazy.
The guy's a robot. Has to be.
Had to come out of 'retirement' today. The boys were struggling without me.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/87882945-0AA6-4F8A-A58F-77A8A902A124.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/87882945-0AA6-4F8A-A58F-77A8A902A124.jpg.html)
Not the first time you've come out of retirement. Are you considered a "contractor"?
Shouldn't they be using knives at that distance? :P
Quote from: duccarlos on January 19, 2016, 03:31:09 PM
Not the first time you've come out of retirement. Are you considered a "contractor"?
Yes, but not for this. These are my boys, and I'd gladly train them all day long for bread and water.
Quote from: ducpainter on January 19, 2016, 03:31:55 PM
Shouldn't they be using knives at that distance? :P
Ha. You can come teach me how to train if you like. :-*
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 19, 2016, 03:34:42 PM
Ha. You can come teach me how to train if you like. :-*
I could probably show you a thing or two...
but not about that. ;D [bow_down]
Quote from: ducpainter on January 19, 2016, 03:40:49 PM
I could probably show you a thing or two...
but not about that. ;D [bow_down]
:D [drink]
Quote from: ducpainter on January 19, 2016, 03:31:55 PM
Shouldn't they be using knives at that distance? :P
It's bayonet training. ;D
Go to 6:30:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWT-JvqQV0E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWT-JvqQV0E)
Quote from: ducpainter on January 19, 2016, 03:40:49 PM
I could probably show you a thing or two...
but not about that. ;D [bow_down]
He can show you how to hit someone with a cane ;D
Quote from: duccarlos on January 19, 2016, 03:44:24 PM
He can show you how to hit someone with a cane ;D
I'll show you about canes...
get closer so I don't have to run.
My one buddy that has MS, is using a cane now. It's pretty fancy, and if he whacks you with it that make the beast with two backser hurts.
That's why I make those jokes over the internet and not when I'm standing next to Nate.
Quote from: duccarlos on January 19, 2016, 04:09:43 PM
That's why I make those jokes over the internet and not when I'm standing next to Nate.
;) Smart man
Ok, I'll splain what's going on. Now remember, about 60% of these guys are recently out of the 'Q' course and are learning this mission for the first time. Here they're doing transition drills, getting used to running both weapons, mag changes, multiple tgts etc. They're also shooting in 'kit' for the first time. So this is all about weapons manipulation skills. Oh and being on the line when 40+ dudes are rocking, never gets old. ;)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/072B4EB1-08C5-4950-B4D9-7AB425C0DD2F.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/072B4EB1-08C5-4950-B4D9-7AB425C0DD2F.jpg.html)
Quote from: ducpainter on January 19, 2016, 03:31:55 PM
Shouldn't they be using knives at that distance? :P
throwing stars
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 19, 2016, 05:41:47 PM
Those are for Seals only. :D
how do they hold them with those flippers?
(http://ep.yimg.com/ay/yhst-50863389838911/sealypin-23.gif)
me want SBR!!!
:'(
Quote from: red baron on January 19, 2016, 09:27:07 PM
me want SBR!!!
:'(
Here's an option [evil]
https://danieldefense.com/daniel-defense-m4-carbine-mk18-factory-sbr-black.html?SID=37427g583q0k6qibajoru82eb5
Interesting. They were offering an SBR with a permanently attached can, but I can't find it on their site any longer. THAT in 300 BLK would be the way to go.
Quote from: DRKWNG on January 20, 2016, 04:42:54 AM
Interesting. They were offering an SBR with a permanently attached can, but I can't find it on their site any longer. THAT in 300 BLK would be the way to go.
Yeah, not sure where that rifle went. They're at Shot Show all week, so I'll call them when they get back.
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 19, 2016, 09:41:06 PM
Here's an option [evil]
https://danieldefense.com/daniel-defense-m4-carbine-mk18-factory-sbr-black.html?SID=37427g583q0k6qibajoru82eb5
Not here in the Republik it's not. :P
Quote from: red baron on January 20, 2016, 04:48:18 PM
Not here in the Republik it's not. :P
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-BFH-14-5-Mid-Length-ENHANCED-Light-Weight-p/bcm-urg-mid-14bfh-elw-kmr-a-13.htm (http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-BFH-14-5-Mid-Length-ENHANCED-Light-Weight-p/bcm-urg-mid-14bfh-elw-kmr-a-13.htm)
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 20, 2016, 05:28:11 PM
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-BFH-14-5-Mid-Length-ENHANCED-Light-Weight-p/bcm-urg-mid-14bfh-elw-kmr-a-13.htm (http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-BFH-14-5-Mid-Length-ENHANCED-Light-Weight-p/bcm-urg-mid-14bfh-elw-kmr-a-13.htm)
Strike 2, wanna relocate? ;D
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 19, 2016, 09:41:06 PM
Here's an option [evil]
https://danieldefense.com/daniel-defense-m4-carbine-mk18-factory-sbr-black.html?SID=37427g583q0k6qibajoru82eb5
make the beast with two backs you Kopf... I want one!!!
(I've wanted one for a long time, but now I am going to blame you) [cheeky]
Quote from: Rotor Head on January 20, 2016, 05:47:23 PM
make the beast with two backs you Kopf... I want one!!!
(I've wanted one for a long time, but now I am going to blame you) [cheeky]
pretty sure his shoulders are wide enough... :-*
Quote from: Rotor Head on January 20, 2016, 05:47:23 PM
make the beast with two backs you Kopf... I want one!!!
(I've wanted one for a long time, but now I am going to blame you) [cheeky]
join the ARMY.
;D
You're welcome. ;)
Quote from: red baron on January 20, 2016, 05:44:30 PM
Strike 2, wanna relocate? ;D
Legal is 16. With the flash hider 'pinned' it's 16.
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 20, 2016, 06:08:33 PM
Legal is 16. With the flash hider 'pinned' it's 16.
no longer an SBR. ;D
I can do an AR pistol, but can't have a buttstock.
I can add an armbrace, but can't shoulder it.
I want it at 10.5"
Why is that guys always want longer dicks, but shorter rifles? :D
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 20, 2016, 06:46:38 PM
Why is that guys always want longer dicks, but shorter rifles? :D
That's a fair question ;D
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 20, 2016, 06:46:38 PM
Why is that guys always want longer dicks, but shorter rifles? :D
Crack me up Kopf! ðŸ˜,ðŸ˜,
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 20, 2016, 06:46:38 PM
Why is that guys always want longer dicks, but shorter rifles? :D
Nope. I want the opposite
I'd love a Lahti L39
Nasty cold and rainy, my favorite time to be on the range.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/10652A66-CDFB-499D-8146-D3217DAB767D.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/10652A66-CDFB-499D-8146-D3217DAB767D.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/FF8614DD-4A1D-41E0-AB71-81192AADCD0A.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/FF8614DD-4A1D-41E0-AB71-81192AADCD0A.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/72411610-A007-443B-ADF3-FBD605195B29.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/72411610-A007-443B-ADF3-FBD605195B29.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/F83348B8-708F-4439-AB6F-D7612A953D39.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/F83348B8-708F-4439-AB6F-D7612A953D39.jpg.html)
If it ain't rainin' it ain't trainin'!
:D
It sounds like today will be really nasty
Why in slo-mo?
Quote from: red baron on January 23, 2016, 04:26:01 PM
Why in slo-mo?
I'll video both ways, but you can really breakdown your shooting in slo mo. Great teaching tool.
What do bullets do to 1.25" Ti... in most cases, get laughed at! But the big guns do come out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3fBkNIROg4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3fBkNIROg4)
Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn!
5.56 green tip baby. [evil]
:D
Another IDPA day.
https://youtu.be/yiPFaPaIgCM
[thumbsup] 8)
Ok, I thought when you bent over, he was gonna hit you in the ass. :D
Appears I've retrained my right eye to be dominant. [thumbsup]
Steel match next week, watch out!!!
And I found me an SP01. 8)
Quote from: red baron on January 31, 2016, 07:36:15 PM
Appears I've retrained my right eye to be dominant. [thumbsup]
[thumbsup]
Quote from: red baron on January 31, 2016, 07:36:15 PM
And I found me an SP01. 8)
I just got one a couple months ago. I like it. I suck shooting it but like it.
Those SP01s are super heavy on the front end. Muzzle rise isn't an issue. ðŸ'ðŸ¼
Starting a new build to replace my stolen AR. [evil]
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/1F3B008E-3100-4DB3-BE00-7A73B23C437C.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/1F3B008E-3100-4DB3-BE00-7A73B23C437C.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/F50C5126-B459-4149-A294-94194B6032B3.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/F50C5126-B459-4149-A294-94194B6032B3.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/CD491239-507B-4CA5-A835-AEF05670B241.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/CD491239-507B-4CA5-A835-AEF05670B241.jpg.html)
Stolen? What's the story on that?
Barrel is too long. ;D
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 04, 2016, 06:20:17 PM
I'm not high speed enough to run a shorty. :)
Embracing the new chapter of your life?
(http://ep.yimg.com/ay/yhst-50863389838911/somedrag-1.gif)
:D
Quote from: Rotor Head on February 04, 2016, 06:24:15 PM
Embracing the new chapter of your life?
(http://ep.yimg.com/ay/yhst-50863389838911/somedrag-1.gif)
[thumbsup]
Got my 19 back from Fire4Effect. Super clean work. 8)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/9A976D86-3EFE-42AB-9AC3-BCA1A67A452D.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/9A976D86-3EFE-42AB-9AC3-BCA1A67A452D.jpg.html)
How does it feel?
Quote from: red baron on February 06, 2016, 05:57:07 AM
What did they do?
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=39943.msg1336416#msg1336416 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=39943.msg1336416#msg1336416)
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=39943.msg1336411#msg1336411 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=39943.msg1336411#msg1336411)
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 05, 2016, 07:14:58 PM
Got my 19 back from Fire4Effect. Super clean work. 8)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/9A976D86-3EFE-42AB-9AC3-BCA1A67A452D.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/9A976D86-3EFE-42AB-9AC3-BCA1A67A452D.jpg.html)
you got the grip astroturfed?
Quote from: ducatiz on February 06, 2016, 01:41:00 PM
you got the grip astroturfed?
No, it's heated, then each of those dimples is done one by one. ZEV does something similar. The feel is amazing. The undercut on the trigger guard keeps that callus down on your finger.
Thanks kopfjager!!!
https://youtu.be/xGmroHFT6yI
Quote from: red baron on February 06, 2016, 05:34:41 PM
Thanks kopfjager!!!
https://youtu.be/xGmroHFT6yI
[thumbsup]
I picked up the Bersa BP9CC
(http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac300/mp_photoshooter/Sigs%20etc/bersa_bp9cc11.jpg)
(http://i422.photobucket.com/albums/pp310/zonker1986/Bersa/Picture064-1.jpg)
I have used Bersa pistols in the past and while they have all been "good" they were not "great." Finishes are iffy, the castings look half assed. They started making some good guns when they came out with the Thunder Pro series, and this one is a few steps past that.
This pistol is "great."
It is physically the same size as a Kahr P9. Almost down to the mm. It is a little heaver than the P9 though, but by maybe 4-5oz. (empty magazine). THe magazine on the Bersa is beefier and holds 8+1 while the Kahr holds 7+1.
The controls on the Bersa are phenomenal. That's right, phenomenal. I like the slide release and trigger better than my Kahr pistols by far. The Bersa has a funky wide trigger that pivots to disengage the trigger "lock". Compare the glock's trigger "lock" -- same idea, it just pivots a bit so the trigger doesn't move unless your finger is pushing it.
The slide release is similar in location to the Kahr too, but it is a much better design -- the thumb pad is beveled and it makes quick release REALLY easy. You gain about 1mm of width but it is totally worth it.
The grip angle is perfect for me, it points very naturally. Doing simple 10/20/30m edge and face drills, I was easily hitting headshots within a few minutes. The other feature that I love is the thumb rest. You can see it on the frame fore of the trigger -- just a little pad for your support hand. Very nice touch.
The only issue I had was before shooting -- when I took it down to inspect and then tried to reassemble it, the striker safety would not disengage so the ejector could pass. I couldn't get the slide back on.
Called Eagle (the importer) and they gave me their main 'smith's number. He's a guy in Indiana and was immensely helpful -- we figured out what the issue was (i.e. "you need to break it in some").. I took it to the range and put about 400 rds through it -- the issue resolved.
I put another 300 rds through it and out of about 15 boxes of ammo, I had exactly one FTF -- a light primer strike on Tulammo 9mm. That was box 13 or 14 and it's possible the striker was dirty, but I know some of the Russian stuff has hard primers.
The only things I would change are the barrel -- the models in Argentina come with polygonal rifling, whereas these come with standard cut rifling (which is better than button rifling, but ... well.. ok).
I would buy this gun again in a heartbeat -- and it's less than half the price of the Kahr. If you like the Kahrs but balk at their price, this is your gun. If you like the Kahrs and want a better Kahr, this is your gun.
My boy Frank had a heart attack. Just got back from the hospital. 100% blockage on right 35% on left. Heart attack 6 days ago in Arizona but he didn't go to the hospital til yesterday. (Hard headed mother make the beast with two backser) Talked to him in the ICU, he's good. I told that make the beast with two backser don't die on me, you're part of my retirement money. :D Nurses in the ICU weren't quite sure what to make of a bunch of SF dudes smoking and joking. :P
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 07, 2016, 02:16:06 PM
My boy Frank had a heart attack. Just got back from the hospital. 100% blockage on right 35% on left. Heart attack 6 days ago in Arizona but he didn't go to the hospital til yesterday. (Hard headed mother make the beast with two backser) Talked to him in the ICU, he's good. I told that make the beast with two backser don't die on me, you're part of my retirement money. :D Nurses in the ICU weren't quite sure what to make of a bunch of SF dudes smoking and joking. :P
Best of thoughts for him.
Jesus dude. I was going to give you some shit (on his behalf) after seeing that he's packed on a few pounds as of late, but damn.
All the best to him. Tell him to lay the hell off the twinkles, would ya?
GWS Frank, I'm coming to visit late spring or early summer. [thumbsup]
Quote from: DRKWNG on February 07, 2016, 05:49:37 PM
Jesus dude. I was going to give you some shit (on his behalf) after seeing that he's packed on a few pounds as of late, but damn.
All the best to him. Tell him to lay the hell off the twinkles, would ya?
Yeah he knows, hard headed. So I meet my boy that has MS out front, not having a good day so he was gimping pretty bad even with a cane. We're going in to see Frank, he's only 42, and my old sorry ass is running like an old tractor. Go figure :D
Quote from: red baron on February 07, 2016, 05:55:03 PM
GWS Frank, I'm coming to visit late spring or early summer. [thumbsup]
I'll be waiting, with bells on. ;)
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 07, 2016, 06:06:48 PM
I'll be waiting, with bells on. ;)
Not a mental image I wish to have.
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Got some new mag releases for my 19/17 from ZEV
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/5BD1F3E7-2ABF-4818-8374-7CFF30C26C0D.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/5BD1F3E7-2ABF-4818-8374-7CFF30C26C0D.jpg.html)
Think I might have to pick up a 34 soon.
Quote from: DRKWNG on February 07, 2016, 07:46:14 PM
Think I might have to pick up a 34 soon.
I run one of Frank's from time to time, they're sweet.
That would pretty much round out the 9mms that I want. Either that or a M&P 9mmL
Have you spent any time on Frank's M&P with the Wilson barrel?
I've shot his M&P a good bit, nice guns. I have the Wilson barrel in my 17
Didn't he get a Wilson barrel in his Smith? I've got an Apex trigger kit in mine, but the stock barrel sucks for shooting beyond 10yds. Thought it was all me until I put it in a rest and it still shot all over the place.
He might, I'll have to check it this week. Between the two of us there's 10 or so pistols to choose from, and I rarely grab that.
Quote from: DRKWNG on February 07, 2016, 06:28:15 PM
Not a mental image I wish to have.
don't be skeered
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 07, 2016, 06:42:18 PM
Got some new mag releases for my 19/17 from ZEV
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/5BD1F3E7-2ABF-4818-8374-7CFF30C26C0D.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/5BD1F3E7-2ABF-4818-8374-7CFF30C26C0D.jpg.html)
Original one to hard to see these days? [laugh]
Quote from: DRKWNG on February 07, 2016, 07:46:14 PM
Think I might have to pick up a 34 soon.
I like the 34, just too easy to shoot.
Quote from: red baron on February 08, 2016, 06:14:03 AM
don't be skeered
Do you really want to see a washed up old man with bells hanging from God knows where?
Quote from: DRKWNG on February 08, 2016, 07:27:50 AM
Do you really want to see a washed up old man with bells hanging from God knows where?
Hey....wait...what the....son of a.... Hey my bells are smooth as eggs. Oh, wait.
A few more shots of the grip and slide work.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/0455C5D4-E12B-4FD1-B863-DF44F55F01EE.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/0455C5D4-E12B-4FD1-B863-DF44F55F01EE.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/D2558EDE-F230-47AE-BF84-B2B9F850C4B4.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/D2558EDE-F230-47AE-BF84-B2B9F850C4B4.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/F55BA8CB-ABDC-4E14-AD3B-7D3BB869EE06.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/F55BA8CB-ABDC-4E14-AD3B-7D3BB869EE06.jpg.html)
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 07, 2016, 02:16:06 PM
My boy Frank had a heart attack. Just got back from the hospital. 100% blockage on right 35% on left. Heart attack 6 days ago in Arizona but he didn't go to the hospital til yesterday. (Hard headed mother make the beast with two backser) Talked to him in the ICU, he's good. I told that make the beast with two backser don't die on me, you're part of my retirement money. :D Nurses in the ICU weren't quite sure what to make of a bunch of SF dudes smoking and joking. :P
How's he doing?
Quote from: ducpainter on February 08, 2016, 02:15:57 PM
How's he doing?
He's good, came home today. Now I gotta get him to make some lifestyle changes. ;) He'll listen to me.
Tell him he'll need a chair. ;)
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 08, 2016, 02:09:41 PM
A few more shots of the grip and slide work.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/0455C5D4-E12B-4FD1-B863-DF44F55F01EE.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/0455C5D4-E12B-4FD1-B863-DF44F55F01EE.jpg.html)
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/MhZfW_IUE5M/maxresdefault.jpg)
:D
What the heck is going on with the hand???
Freaking me out!
Okay! I googled it and saw that it's makeup! Pretty realistic looking.
We're fixing to make a whole bunch of Gun Stuff. [evil]
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/909CEF36-183B-4F06-87AD-F07B78BA264F.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/909CEF36-183B-4F06-87AD-F07B78BA264F.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/6FFB3B59-A642-4E05-B1E1-F180DA59D077.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/6FFB3B59-A642-4E05-B1E1-F180DA59D077.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/368D6693-0C5F-4201-87E3-4CEFF34C7B4A.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/368D6693-0C5F-4201-87E3-4CEFF34C7B4A.jpg.html)
You got someone that knows how to drive that thing?
Quote from: Speeddog on February 10, 2016, 05:26:06 PM
You got someone that knows how to drive that thing?
Yessir [thumbsup]
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 10, 2016, 04:45:19 PM
We're fixing to make a whole bunch of Gun Stuff. [evil]
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/909CEF36-183B-4F06-87AD-F07B78BA264F.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/909CEF36-183B-4F06-87AD-F07B78BA264F.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/6FFB3B59-A642-4E05-B1E1-F180DA59D077.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/6FFB3B59-A642-4E05-B1E1-F180DA59D077.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/368D6693-0C5F-4201-87E3-4CEFF34C7B4A.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/368D6693-0C5F-4201-87E3-4CEFF34C7B4A.jpg.html)
Watch out that Kevin doesn't see that. ;D
This thing is just plain awesome.
Frank's still in the hospital, so he hasn't got to see it yet. :D
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 10, 2016, 04:45:19 PM
We're fixing to make a whole bunch of Gun Stuff. [evil]
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/909CEF36-183B-4F06-87AD-F07B78BA264F.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/909CEF36-183B-4F06-87AD-F07B78BA264F.jpg.html)
i hate you [bow_down]
Quote from: ducatiz on February 10, 2016, 07:02:22 PM
i hate you [bow_down]
It belongs to Frank, I just get think shit up to put in it.
Muwahhhhaaaa
SBR [thumbsup]
Those are illegal
You got someone to make the pretty pictures to hand to the driver?
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 10, 2016, 07:09:05 PM
It belongs to Frank, I just get think shit up to put in it.
Reverse shifters appropriately sized for the M1200 and M821!!!!
Quote from: Speeddog on February 10, 2016, 07:22:39 PM
You got someone to make the pretty pictures to hand to the driver?
Yep, they were in the shop yesterday when I went by talking some language that smoked my little brain. They were there today when it arrived. It's gonna be a fun journey. Now I gotta keep Frank healthy.
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 10, 2016, 07:20:36 PM
Those are illegal
We can set you up with a Type 07 and help you pay the SOT.
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 10, 2016, 07:26:41 PM
Yep, they were in the shop yesterday when I went by talking some language that smoked my little brain. They were there today when it arrived. It's gonna be a fun journey. Now I gotta keep Frank healthy.
Excellent.
Don't slap Frank too hard.
Quote from: NAKID on February 10, 2016, 07:23:00 PM
Reverse shifters appropriately sized for the M1200 and M821!!!!
No motorcycle parts
Quote from: Speeddog on February 10, 2016, 07:32:05 PM
Excellent.
Don't slap Frank too hard.
After yesterday's second attack, I got in his ass at the hospital today. Shits starting to piss me off, and he knows I'll make the beast with two backs him up.
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 10, 2016, 07:42:00 PM
After yesterday's second attack, I got in his ass at the hospital today. Shits starting to piss me off, and he knows I'll make the beast with two backs him up.
Second attack? Jesus!
Mmmm, not good.
Tell him no dirt naps allowed.
Quote from: DRKWNG on February 10, 2016, 08:19:22 PM
Second attack? Jesus!
Went to see Him yesterday on the way back from B'ham, he wasn't at the house so I went to the shop, he wasn't there either, but was showing someone the range. He was feeling ok, but got a little IZ_ before I was leaving. I could see it in his eyes, but he was trying to bullshit me. An hour after I got home I received the call. Back at the door I went. Visited him today to show pics of his new toy.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/CE36ADCC-9386-4F22-970B-0311DB8B27E3.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/CE36ADCC-9386-4F22-970B-0311DB8B27E3.jpg.html)
Tell him to knock off all that deep fried bama twinkie bullshit. I need you guys to come train this LEO outfit!
;D
That means no more whoppers
Proof of life
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/4100DD36-2E3F-4B60-9123-E3BBCB9E2541.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/4100DD36-2E3F-4B60-9123-E3BBCB9E2541.jpg.html)
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 11, 2016, 09:22:03 AM
Proof of life
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/4100DD36-2E3F-4B60-9123-E3BBCB9E2541.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/4100DD36-2E3F-4B60-9123-E3BBCB9E2541.jpg.html)
Where's the newspaper to show the date?
Quote from: NAKID on February 11, 2016, 02:27:11 PM
Where's the newspaper to show the date?
Ha, my bad. :D
Installed the Zev mag release and burned up a few hundred rounds earlier.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/C9D9F3F4-C582-4645-86E8-8B6F513ECAC0.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/C9D9F3F4-C582-4645-86E8-8B6F513ECAC0.jpg.html)
That thing is huge.
thats what she said
That's what she said
He's back in the make the beast with two backsing hospital. I was at his house 2hrs ago.
Another attack?
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 11, 2016, 05:37:07 PM
He's back in the make the beast with two backsing hospital. I was at his house 2hrs ago.
Overexcited when he saw the new toy? [evil]
Best wishes for him.
I'd suggest sending him a strippergram, but that might push him over the edge.
Quote from: DRKWNG on February 11, 2016, 05:54:20 PM
I'd suggest sending him a strippergram, but that might push him over the edge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5Zn2Fv6n6Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5Zn2Fv6n6Q)
Quote from: ducpainter on February 10, 2016, 05:49:31 PM
Watch out that Kevin doesn't see that. ;D
You don't wanna see what I just bought for the shop [evil]
Haven't been in here in a bit.
A) Sorry to hear about your friend Kopf. I hope that gets sorted.
B) on a gun related note- is there a future for a bolt action AR15?
I doubt it, but.....
Not my idea. I might make parts for them though.
Quote from: Monsterlover on February 11, 2016, 06:41:02 PM
Haven't been in here in a bit.
A) Sorry to hear about your friend Kopf. I hope that gets sorted.
B) on a gun related note- is there a future for a bolt action AR15?
http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/receiver-parts/receivers/upper-receivers/ar-15-m16-tactilite-upper-receiver-prod40862.aspx (http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/receiver-parts/receivers/upper-receivers/ar-15-m16-tactilite-upper-receiver-prod40862.aspx)
There ya go. Not quite sure why, but why not I guess.
Quote from: red baron on February 11, 2016, 06:55:47 PM
http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/receiver-parts/receivers/upper-receivers/ar-15-m16-tactilite-upper-receiver-prod40862.aspx (http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/receiver-parts/receivers/upper-receivers/ar-15-m16-tactilite-upper-receiver-prod40862.aspx)
That's not like what I had in my hands today. That looks like a side charge.
What I was looking at could be converted back to semi automatic
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/08D5AE35-1D31-44D4-96C0-125B4F2FCF5A.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/08D5AE35-1D31-44D4-96C0-125B4F2FCF5A.jpg.html)
Quote from: Monsterlover on February 11, 2016, 06:41:02 PM
B) on a gun related note- is there a future for a bolt action AR15?
People use the AR lower for bolt action 50bmg uppers
Some folks might want one if they live in a state where those are problematic rifles.
Like this?
http://www.ruger.com/products/precisionRifle/specSheets/18001.html (http://www.ruger.com/products/precisionRifle/specSheets/18001.html)
These guys. Met with them yesterday.
http://jedarms.com (http://jedarms.com)
Quote from: Monsterlover on February 12, 2016, 06:08:54 AM
These guys. Met with them yesterday.
http://jedarms.com (http://jedarms.com)
It's an interesting idea, it's just not new.
They have pump action ARs too
http://troydefense.com/pumpactionrifle/ (http://troydefense.com/pumpactionrifle/)
Travis stepped on his dick big time. [bang]
http://youtu.be/xs83TE7HJrY (http://youtu.be/xs83TE7HJrY)
Dynamic Negligent Discharge
Quote from: DRKWNG on February 12, 2016, 01:21:06 PM
Dynamic Negligent Discharge
make the beast with two backsing idiot. Serves him right (mr high speed). You'd never see me again if that happened, but you'd never see me doing that.
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 11, 2016, 09:12:24 PM
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/08D5AE35-1D31-44D4-96C0-125B4F2FCF5A.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/08D5AE35-1D31-44D4-96C0-125B4F2FCF5A.jpg.html)
even the cool guys dry fire. [thumbsup]
I'm 78 miles from Pelham.
Don't hear a thing. ;D
:D
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/5F04298F-7C3E-4743-96AA-CFA6503A218D.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/5F04298F-7C3E-4743-96AA-CFA6503A218D.jpg.html)
Nice shot!
I'm not seeing a lot of hearing protection. :-\
I mean...war is hell and all, and I bow down to these guys for allowing me to live my life as I do, but if these guys are training like I think they are and not in assmake the beast with two backsistan why do they need to go deaf?
It's just a question. ???
Most folks just wear foamies. Oh, and that pic is down range.
Back in the 'shit' nobody wore anything. [evil]
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/97C43C38-D335-4E55-8515-7C462C786FFE.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/97C43C38-D335-4E55-8515-7C462C786FFE.jpg.html)
The just ran an FFE on the range. My house was rattling.
Being just a few miles from Pendleton, our house rattles regularly. Never mind the earth moving around here. :P
Coworker of mines who served 8 years is death in one ear for not paying attention before one of those were fired
Thanks again Kopf,
Right eye is working better, today's match (only three stages) never even thought about using my left eye.
Accuracy was good, times were ok too, best string of 6 rounds at 6.7 seconds and ZERO misses. [thumbsup]
On another note got to fire a .22TCM what a lot of boom for such a small hole. [laugh]
Good deal [thumbsup]
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/ED179AC0-5C4E-4706-82E1-4C2EC7076D85.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/ED179AC0-5C4E-4706-82E1-4C2EC7076D85.jpg.html)
Went and hung out with Frank today, getting the range setup for my class on Saturday. He's doing good.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/345D4DCC-D041-4C7F-97CB-3AA78A4E7C48_2.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/345D4DCC-D041-4C7F-97CB-3AA78A4E7C48_2.jpg.html)
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 22, 2016, 12:19:01 PM
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/ED179AC0-5C4E-4706-82E1-4C2EC7076D85.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/ED179AC0-5C4E-4706-82E1-4C2EC7076D85.jpg.html)
[laugh]
Just finished running a Basic course with 8 shooters. Four of them stayed and I ran them through my Basic 2. Long 8hrs, my ass is smoked.
'Down Time'
http://youtu.be/lJjC9UVr9fI (http://youtu.be/lJjC9UVr9fI)
Shot my IDPA classifier today. [thumbsup]
[thumbsup]
(http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=485175&d=1456704233)
While retreating from 10-15 yards 10 shots on target, I was pretty happy about this.
Quote from: ducpainter on February 28, 2016, 04:06:12 PM
How'd you do?
I missed a headshot, I think that will keep me out of sharpshooter, but I'll see when they get posted.
Quote from: red baron on February 28, 2016, 04:07:25 PM
(http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=485175&d=1456704233)
While retreating from 10-15 yards, I was pretty happy about this.
I can't get that to work... :-\
Quote from: red baron on February 28, 2016, 04:07:25 PM
(http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=485175&d=1456704233)
While retreating from 10-15 yards, I was pretty happy about this.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/8A9BDD00-F8EE-4D92-9DFF-BC0CFD90643E_11.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/8A9BDD00-F8EE-4D92-9DFF-BC0CFD90643E_11.jpg.html)
Freedom Munitions always has specials. Today only they have 5% off and free shipping
www.freedommunitions.com (//http://)
Reviews from this weekend. ;)
Product: 1 Day Basic Pistol Level 1 Course - Eastaboga, AL - February 27, 2016
Posted By: Eric
I had a great time at the Basic Pistol Course taught by Daryl Conrad. I have shot pistols for a while now, but this was my first class...learned a lot about how much I do not know (and what I thought I knew). I will incorporate the lessons Daryl taught into my practice/training routine. I appreciate that Daryl took the time to listen to, and answer, questions in a no nonsense but laid back manner. No hesitation about taking another class with Daryl (or the WOTG crew). I've already recommended this course to family and friends.
Product: 1 Day Basic Pistol Level 1 Course - Eastaboga, AL - February 27, 2016
Posted By: Joe L.
What a GREAT day! Thanks to WOTG and especially Daryl for a great time. I've been shooting for years... wrong. This beginning class is exactly what I needed to "re-learn" pistol shooting. The foundation Daryl gives you is priceless. He is super patient with shooters and reinforces with repetition. I can now build on my "new" foundation. The training was worth every penny. Looking forward to the next level of his classes!
Product: 1 Day Basic Pistol Level 1 Course - Eastaboga, AL - February 27, 2016
Posted By: Grayson
Had the honor and privilege to train with one of Americas finest ass kicker/instructors,Daryl Conrad! I can't say enough about the class, really laid back environment I learned a lot from this class and can't wait for the combat pistol class in April
Let me pat you on the back so you don't hurt your shoulder. ;D
Just kidding...Nice job bro! [thumbsup]
Quote from: ducpainter on March 01, 2016, 02:41:36 PM
Let me pat you on the back so you don't hurt your shoulder. ;D
Just kidding...Nice job bro! [thumbsup]
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Awesome!
[thumbsup]
Good range sessions today. Did a bunch of pistol work as well as mid/long carbine work for a class this Saturday. After that I started working on a POI for some training/consulting that folks are asking for, this should be a lot of fun. Subjects I've got nailed down as of now.
Situational awareness. (Most folks are clueless)
Protecting against home invasion. (Not burglary, but dudes that 'want' a confrontation)
Daily routes
Surveillance/Counter surveillance
Preventing car jacking
Firearms training
Those all sound awesome.
I wish I lived closer.
Quote from: Monsterlover on March 02, 2016, 06:31:20 PM
Those all sound awesome.
I wish I lived closer.
My head is spinning with all the different concepts I can run through.
Quote from: Monsterlover on March 02, 2016, 06:31:20 PM
Those all sound awesome.
I wish I lived closer.
Wish he lived in Melbourne!
Good class today
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/4B0CDDB4-9AB1-412F-A942-695FC5D419BE.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/4B0CDDB4-9AB1-412F-A942-695FC5D419BE.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/83B3E07A-7C49-4234-B577-A2AECC0FF320.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/83B3E07A-7C49-4234-B577-A2AECC0FF320.jpg.html)
The level of how make the beast with two backsed up this is, is of epic proportions. Yeager is a make the beast with two backsing tool, and a Coward.
Tactical Response Fighting Rifle Spokane WA 2015 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8qfZVuQPe4&sns=em#)
Who the make the beast with two backs is the moron standing next to the target? ???
Quote from: ducpainter on March 05, 2016, 03:07:41 PM
Who the make the beast with two backs is the moron standing next to the target? ???
Not a make the beast with two backsing clue. I almost (almost) feel sorry for people that pay idiots like this for training. It's an embarrassment to the industry. They need to parter up with that other tool I posted months ago.
This is what these jerkoffs did last month. [bang]
"During the recent (Feb 17-18) Tactical Response “Fighting Pistol†course near Sacramento, an instructor instructed the students to throw their pistols on the ground, then the instructor proceeded to stomp on the pistols to make some point along the lines of “these things aren't meant to be pretty, they're meant to be tools, so treat them as such†(quotes mine). He then threw his own pistol onto the ground and stomped on itâ€"resulting in a round being fired parallel to the line of students, into a student's truck, with a possible ricochet towards who-knows-what."
I need to sic the Jesus on them. :D
http://youtu.be/8xTqP58o1iw (http://youtu.be/8xTqP58o1iw)
[clap]
Re that idiot, what could possibly go wrong.
What the ever living make the beast with two backs
What kind of make the beast with two backsery is that??
I almost thought it was fake.
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 05, 2016, 03:34:34 PM
This is what these jerkoffs did last month. [bang]
"During the recent (Feb 17-18) Tactical Response “Fighting Pistol†course near Sacramento, an instructor instructed the students to throw their pistols on the ground, then the instructor proceeded to stomp on the pistols to make some point along the lines of “these things aren't meant to be pretty, they're meant to be tools, so treat them as such†(quotes mine). He then threw his own pistol onto the ground and stomped on itâ€"resulting in a round being fired parallel to the line of students, into a student's truck, with a possible ricochet towards who-knows-what."
Sadly this has been confirmed by the pres of that shooting club. That would be the day they tell me to throw a loaded firearm on the ground and stomp on it.
Darwin Rod & Gun Club
Quote from: Oldfisti on March 05, 2016, 08:51:24 PM
Darwin Rod & Gun Club
This had nothing to do with the range. Tac Response was running the course.
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 05, 2016, 03:19:40 PM
Not a make the beast with two backsing clue. I almost (almost) feel sorry for people that pay idiots like this for training. It's an embarrassment to the industry. They need to parter up with that other tool I posted months ago.
Is that the one who was grabbing the muzzles?
Quote from: GK on March 05, 2016, 09:02:54 PM
Is that the one who was grabbing the muzzles?
:D No, that's a whole other 'tool'. ;)
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 05, 2016, 09:00:44 PM
This had nothing to do with the range. Tac Response was running the course.
Sorry.
Darwin Tac Response
[thumbsdown]
:D
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 05, 2016, 09:04:50 PM
:D No, that's a whole other 'tool'. ;)
Sounds like there's a whole toolbox full of 'tools' in your industry kopf!
Actually that's pretty much in every industry! 😆
Yeah, dumb shits are everywhere
Quote from: GK on March 06, 2016, 03:11:47 AM
Sounds like there's a whole toolbox full of 'tools' in your industry kopf!
Actually that's pretty much in every industry! 😆
You'd think laws of natural selection would start kicking in.
Does anyone in this thread actually discharge a firearm?
[cheeky]
Quote from: red baron on March 06, 2016, 08:35:50 AM
Does anyone in this thread actually discharge a firearm?
[cheeky]
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Quote from: ducpainter on March 06, 2016, 08:38:41 AM
(http://www.goodguysposse.org/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/shoot.gif)
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Ordered a polymer lower from Tennessee Arms for my new AR build.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/E939E47F-E1FD-4B85-A39A-3F50380A021E.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/E939E47F-E1FD-4B85-A39A-3F50380A021E.jpg.html)
That's pretty nice, I like the integrated guard, much like the POF lowers. [thumbsup]
What's the rest of the build gonna be?
Quote from: red baron on March 06, 2016, 09:25:52 AM
That's pretty nice, I like the integrated guard, much like the POF lowers. [thumbsup]
What's the rest of the build gonna be?
The BCM upper that I posted before, most likely a BCM gunfighter stock or Daniel Defense. 1-4 Nightforce scope or Vortex. Gisselle, Timney or ELF trigger (cant decide).
Why polymer?
Quote from: Monsterlover on March 06, 2016, 09:36:03 AM
Why polymer?
Mostly for weight. It's easy to make a 6lb gun heavy when you start adding scopes, sights, lights, NV etc.
You can call it your G15. ;D
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 06, 2016, 09:46:26 AM
Mostly for weight. It's easy to make a 6lb gun heavy when you start adding scopes, sights, lights, NV etc.
Makes sense.
That much lighter than aluminum?
I have solid models of AR uppers and lowers. Could do a run of Ti ;D
Quote from: Monsterlover on March 06, 2016, 09:48:46 AM
Makes sense.
That much lighter than aluminum?
I have solid models of AR uppers and lowers. Could do a run of Ti ;D
It's not a crazy difference, but every little bit counts when you've got in slung on your body for 6-8hrs, moving and shooting in over and around obstacles.
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 06, 2016, 09:46:26 AM
Mostly for weight. It's easy to make a 6lb gun heavy when you start adding scopes, sights, lights, NV etc.
Weight yes, but i've been so leery of them esp the buffer tube mount. that one looks different there
Quote from: ducatiz on March 06, 2016, 01:46:15 PM
Weight yes, but i've been so leery of them esp the buffer tube mount. that one looks different there
They made one for Frank last year, and we've put it through its paces with no issues as of yet, plus it was only $40 so I'm not worried.
Scores in from yesterday's steel match.
Stage two was freestyle, strong hand, weak hand, I missed ONE!!!
I scored 18th out of 62, the top 10% are all using optics or red-dots of some kind so I'm very happy with that.
make the beast with two backsing awesome! [clap] [thumbsup]
Imagine if I knew what I was doing. ;D
I'm going to ask the rangemaster next month to separate the optics guys scores. Not that it's unfair, but really skews how the scoring gets stacked or maybe I should swap for an MOS.
Quote from: red baron on March 06, 2016, 03:30:47 PM
Imagine if I knew what I was doing. ;D
I'm going to ask the rangemaster next month to separate the optics guys scores. Not that it's unfair, but really skews how the scoring gets stacked or maybe I should swap for an MOS.
Are you in IDPA or USPSA?
I thought optics put you in a different class in either.
Quote from: red baron on March 06, 2016, 03:30:47 PM
Imagine if I knew what I was doing. ;D
I'm going to ask the rangemaster next month to separate the optics guys scores. Not that it's unfair, but really skews how the scoring gets stacked or maybe I should swap for an MOS.
Just get the make the beast with two backs away from IDPA.
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 06, 2016, 03:47:29 PM
Just get the make the beast with two backs away from IDPA.
Relax. 8)
Quote from: ducpainter on March 06, 2016, 03:33:43 PM
Are you in IDPA or USPSA?
I thought optics put you in a different class in either.
It's neither, just a local shooting club puts this on once a month.
in IPSC optics are OPEN class . . . I personally shoot in Production Class C Divison with my .40
Quote from: red baron on March 06, 2016, 03:53:01 PM
It's neither, just a local shooting club puts this on once a month.
Optics should be scored separately.
Well, since the prizes total ZERO, not really important, but would be nice to know.
Last month there were 120 shooters, this month they were calling for a chance of rain [laugh] not many showed up.
Maybe he could just note the sight type.
http://youtu.be/JCBvu9MX-po (http://youtu.be/JCBvu9MX-po)
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Sniper course started today, so I stopped in to check on the boys.
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They gettin' by without you?
Quote from: ducpainter on March 07, 2016, 04:18:01 PM
They gettin' by without you?
Yeah, there's some big brain boys helping out. I'll pop in and out to field any concerns.
Are those on the 700 platform?
[drool]
Good range day today. Worked on singles, multiples, number indexing, single round mag changes (shit ton). Some barricades, and shooting on the move. I picked up a new flash hider for my build.
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[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Almost finished with the new pig slayer. 458 SOCOM, with a 10" Form 1 suppressor.
(https://catie.smugmug.com/4928/i-Qm55T66/0/M/20160309_130653-1-M.jpg)
(https://catie.smugmug.com/4928/i-t5g9RDs/0/M/20160309_130727-1-M.jpg)
[evil] Who is that?
It is a home built. Radical upper, Runner Runner lower (local manufacturer that does really nice work,) Luth-Ar stock. Del-ton parts kit, CMMG 2 stage trigger (another local,) and a Vortex Crossfire scope. Waiting on a Harris bipod.The one in the pic is junk.
Suppressor has titanium baffles. My first time working with titanium.
Good class today. We had 15 shooters, and we got after it pretty hard. [evil]
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Free shipping today on orders over $99
www.freedommunitions.com (//http://)
Almost forgot. I shot a CZ P09 yesterday. I wouldn't pay money for the box it came in.
What's wrong with it?
Quote from: red baron on March 13, 2016, 12:38:00 PM
What's wrong with it?
Besides the trigger pull being longer than the 'Hedgehogs' dick, I don't like the controls. Slide release sucks as well.
Like I said before, we had 15 shooters none of which I knew. Besides a Beretta and the CZ everyone was shooting a Glock, 17 19 or 34. If you want a really good pistol it's gotta be an STI (2011-1911) or Wilson. The difference is staggering.
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 13, 2016, 11:23:57 AM
Almost forgot. I shot a CZ P09 yesterday. I wouldn't pay money for the box it came in.
Yeah?
What the make the beast with two backs do you know? :-*
[Friggen Rock fans...you should shoot my 85 Combat.]
True. CZs are better when they're metal.
Quote from: DRKWNG on March 13, 2016, 03:08:51 PM
True. CZs are better when they're metal.
He's just a Block fanboi. ;D
My Glocks will soon be range guns (as in, students can have at em) The STI is just that good. I renamed the CZ, it's now Piece of Shit 9. :D
Oh, and if the CZ was a better gun than the Glock, 92% of the guys would have shown up with them. Not the case, and just so happens he was the weakest shooter of the class.
Not saying either is better or worse, they're just different. One thing I will say though, don't write them off unless/until you've shot an all steel one a few times. I've never liked their polymer pistols, but my SP01 is a completely different animal.
The Glock is still what I would grab if I were going back out though.
I'm getting ready to jump on this. [evil]
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One, of four bays' we ran yesterday.
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Friggen pink targets, bunch o sallies.
:D It was fluorescent too. I'll paint it whatever color you'd like if you come. I know I won't have to repaint it. :-*
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 13, 2016, 05:11:10 PM
:D It was fluorescent too. I'll paint it whatever color you'd like if you come. I know I won't have to repaint it. :-*
Burn... [evil]
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 13, 2016, 05:11:10 PM
:D It was fluorescent too. I'll paint it whatever color you'd like if you come. I know I won't have to repaint it. :-*
Quote from: ducpainter on March 13, 2016, 05:14:45 PM
Burn... [evil]
LMAO
[laugh]
:D [drink]
One of the countless drills yesterday. Round count was 600 per man. I was shooting a drill around 1645 and I turned around to see who was next up, and 4-5 dudes were sitting down. At that point we had four bays going hot. I said to myself these boys are smoked. :D
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/th_87E0AB7D-D4C9-4FD1-95D8-AE13ACD02D29.jpg) (http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/87E0AB7D-D4C9-4FD1-95D8-AE13ACD02D29.mp4)
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Quote from: kopfjäger on March 13, 2016, 03:52:40 PM
I'm getting ready to jump on this. [evil]
in .45 / 38 Super or 10mm
I like Sig . . love my P229 in .40 no rail but, after almost 11yrs of ownership, I will need to replace the sights, they are not as bright . . . got these,
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51xxgzCrqIL._SX355_.jpg)
and this,
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41JHc6i6mjL._SY355_.jpg)
Me a few years ago, during a part of a CQB competition . . . I know my stance/grip was not the best, I've gotten better . . .
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4154/5205061585_76512ce347_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/8VXit8) (https://flic.kr/p/8VXit8)
Are you left eye dominant?
That or his heads crooked.
9mm
Don't lean your head over, move the gun in front of your dominant eye.
Cross dominant, FTW
:D Wait till your eyes are as old as mine and see how much fun that is. ;)
Kids... [roll] ;D
Quote from: ducpainter on March 13, 2016, 06:05:22 PM
Are you left eye dominant?
now that I think of it . . . could be . . . I'm just trying to posotion gun in between my eyes and aim
Quote from: DarkMonster620 on March 13, 2016, 07:26:31 PM
now that I think of it . . . could be . . . I'm just trying to posotion gun in between my eyes and aim
Ha, that's impossible. You're either left or right eye dominat. Point your finger at a light switch and close your left eye, if you can still see it on the tgt you're right eye dominant, if it's not you're left eye dominant. Close the other eye and do the same thing. I'm sure you're left eye dominant, but check it.
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 13, 2016, 05:11:10 PM
:D It was fluorescent too. I'll paint it whatever color you'd like if you come. I know I won't have to repaint it. :-*
Good thing the burn ward's not full...
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 13, 2016, 07:31:51 PM
Ha, that's impossible. You're either left or right eye dominat. Point your finger at a light switch and close your left eye, if you can still see it on the tgt you're right eye dominant, if it's not you're left eye dominant. Close the other eye and do the same thing. I'm sure you're left eye dominant, but check it.
yup, left eye
Quote from: DarkMonster620 on March 14, 2016, 11:09:25 AM
yup, left
Por supuesto. Now, start dry firing bringing the gun inline with the left eye. It won't take much to get it down. We don't move through our daily life with our head cocked to one side. ;)
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 14, 2016, 11:54:59 AM
Por supuesto. Now, start dry firing bringing the gun inline with the left eye. It won't take much to get it down. We don't move through our daily life with our head cocked to one side. ;)
[laugh]
I'm sensing you've taught around this condition before.
Quote from: Monsterlover on March 14, 2016, 03:20:57 PM
[laugh]
I'm sensing you've taught around this condition before.
Once or twice. Sometimes I get shooters that are righty with M4 and lefty with pistol. (Other way around as well)
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 14, 2016, 11:54:59 AM
Por supuesto. Now, start dry firing bringing the gun inline with the left eye. It won't take much to get it down. We don't move through our daily life with our head cocked to one side. ;)
Gotcha . . .
Too much politics for a response.
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 14, 2016, 03:39:49 PM
Once or twice. Sometimes I get shooters that are righty with M4 and lefty with pistol. (Other way around as well)
with rifles I am rh dominant
Quote from: DarkMonster620 on March 14, 2016, 05:38:39 PM
with rifles I am rh dominant
You can/could shoot pistol right handed then. I talked with Red Baron about it, and he's been doing it with success (he was left eye dominant) I'm sure he'll chime in.
edit; I meant with right eye
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 05, 2016, 03:34:34 PM
This is what these jerkoffs did last month. [bang]
"During the recent (Feb 17-18) Tactical Response “Fighting Pistol†course near Sacramento, an instructor instructed the students to throw their pistols on the ground, then the instructor proceeded to stomp on the pistols to make some point along the lines of “these things aren't meant to be pretty, they're meant to be tools, so treat them as such†(quotes mine). He then threw his own pistol onto the ground and stomped on itâ€"resulting in a round being fired parallel to the line of students, into a student's truck, with a possible ricochet towards who-knows-what."
Here's a follow up article. If any of you folks seek out training, make sure it's not someone like Yeager.
http://bearingarms.com/crybully-james-yeager-responds-tactical-response-negligent-discharge/ (http://bearingarms.com/crybully-james-yeager-responds-tactical-response-negligent-discharge/)
You can do it Carlos, commit yourself to it.
My accuracy with the handgun has greatly improved.
Last competition even shooting weak hand I was down zero. Now for a trip to Alabama to serve up some crow. ;D
I'd love to be a fly on the wall at this dinner. ;D
Quote from: red baron on March 14, 2016, 05:56:30 PM
You can do it Carlos, commit yourself to it.
My accuracy with the handgun has greatly improved.
Last competition even shooting weak hand I was down zero. Now for a trip to Alabama to serve up some crow. ;D
if I could fly with my gun I would too . . .
Quote from: DarkMonster620 on March 14, 2016, 06:05:59 PM
if I could fly with my gun I would too . . .
I have plenty
Quote from: ducpainter on March 14, 2016, 05:59:20 PM
I'd love to be a fly on the wall at this dinner. ;D
You're invited.
Instigator. [cheeky]
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 14, 2016, 05:43:05 PM
You can/could shoot pistol right handed then. I talked with Red Baron about it, and he's been doing it with success (he was left eye dominant) I'm sure he'll chime in.
edit; I meant with right eye
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jO6fhl6QpQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jO6fhl6QpQ)
Skip to 49:40
Uh yeah, but wtf!? :D
Teaching back prior to 911
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[thumbsup]
Quote from: NAKID on March 14, 2016, 06:29:45 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jO6fhl6QpQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jO6fhl6QpQ)
Skip to 49:40
That was some amazing acting.
Quote from: Rameses on March 15, 2016, 07:09:48 AM
That was some amazing acting.
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Quote from: Rameses on March 15, 2016, 07:09:48 AM
That was some amazing acting.
I know right!!!!
Trust me, if you watch the rest you'll realize just how good that scene was comparatively!
Picked up the lower. Waiting on the trigger from ELF, and some odds and ends.
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Strong work today, round count was 600. I worked these bays with several methods of engagement.
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(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/B1E6A91C-267C-4144-9503-725EFD02BFB7.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/B1E6A91C-267C-4144-9503-725EFD02BFB7.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/60D42EB8-C00F-449F-A298-B84BCA5379D3.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/60D42EB8-C00F-449F-A298-B84BCA5379D3.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/93A17EA9-A327-4281-8A23-73A57DD00261.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/93A17EA9-A327-4281-8A23-73A57DD00261.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/8B2D92B9-4486-47FB-A32E-51F4EF75FAB0.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/8B2D92B9-4486-47FB-A32E-51F4EF75FAB0.jpg.html)
Apparently I've been going at it all wrong.
http://youtu.be/rCEfu471oS8 (http://youtu.be/rCEfu471oS8)
Clearly you need to take his class!
Quote from: NAKID on March 16, 2016, 04:29:03 PM
Clearly you need to take his class!
I need to put him in touch with SOCOM. :D
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 16, 2016, 04:34:59 PM
I need to put him in touch with SOCOM. :D
or special forces . ..
did some dry firing, with dry firing bullets, with right eye . . will have to go to range to try it out live . . .
Good deal. If for some reason you can't get it to click, just bring the gun inline with the left eye. Oh and SOCOM is SF Command. ;)
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 16, 2016, 05:03:56 PM
Good deal. If for some reason you can't get it to click, just bring the gun inline with the left eye. Oh and SOCOM is SF Command. ;)
gotcha
Quote from: DarkMonster620 on March 16, 2016, 05:01:07 PM
or special forces . ..
did some dry firing, with dry firing bullets, with right eye . . will have to go to range to try it out live . . .
Nice, report back, I'm curious to see how you progress.
Steve
I was left eye dominant and ended up retraining my eyes by covering the left lens of my glasses.
Better than closing one eye or squinting.
I helped Frank with a 5hr session today, to spin some guys up for a USPSA match tomorrow. Good day.
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 16, 2016, 04:16:52 PM
Apparently I've been going at it all wrong.
http://youtu.be/rCEfu471oS8 (http://youtu.be/rCEfu471oS8)
I can't even handle this. It's way over my pay grade.
In gun news, looks like we might be getting a group of guys at the shop to head to the range on a regular basis so I'm excited about that.
Probably been three years since I pulled a trigger.
Bout time [thumbsup]
Worked on my presentation for an hour last night, and probably get another :30-:45 in tonight.
IDPA match Sunday. [thumbsup]
[thumbsup]
Got some bling for the AR build from Strike Industries.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/2816FDF2-D24F-4B52-B0C8-268BA6D8B1F3.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/2816FDF2-D24F-4B52-B0C8-268BA6D8B1F3.jpg.html)
Ahhh, the old days of a mag release.... :P
Anyone recapture their led to use in reloading ?
Quote from: cokey on March 19, 2016, 06:44:20 PM
Anyone recapture their led to use in reloading ?
make the beast with two backs that, I don't even pick up brass. You're welcome to come and get it.
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 19, 2016, 06:55:00 PM
make the beast with two backs that, I don't even pick up brass. You're welcome to come and get it.
You should pick up all that brass, freedom will pay you for it. ;D
Not that I shoot Freedom stuff. [thumbsup]
Quote from: red baron on March 19, 2016, 06:57:51 PM
You should pick up all that brass, freedom will pay you for it. ;D
Not that I shoot Freedom stuff. [thumbsup]
Not worth my time.
More IDPA
https://youtu.be/BcRa0K17S30
https://youtu.be/hMjJ8nzLGgw
https://youtu.be/uJdk1O4MpMo
https://youtu.be/9etfvJccKbo
Worked on accuracy vs. speed, next week at the outdoor match I'll be able to better work on presentation.
Stage three was zero down and two others were 1 and 2 down respectively, not sure on one stage, I'll wait until the results post.
[thumbsup]
Well, at your range, it wouldn't be easy lol. I saw a video of a guy with a indoor range in his basement he created the backdrop angled, was steel, and it gathered all his spent ammo.
You can also make friends with the tire shop. Sometimes they'll let you take the bucket of old wheel weights to melt down.
Quote from: Monsterlover on March 20, 2016, 07:39:14 PM
You can also make friends with the tire shop. Sometimes they'll let you take the bucket of old wheel weights to melt down.
dental offices also dispose of large amounts of lead.
Quote from: Monsterlover on March 20, 2016, 07:39:14 PM
You can also make friends with the tire shop. Sometimes they'll let you take the bucket of old wheel weights to melt down.
Lead weights are going bye bye.
Many are steel or other metals now.
Quote from: ducpainter on March 21, 2016, 03:17:49 AM
Lead weights are going bye bye.
Many are steel or other metals now.
I had no idea.
It's easy enough to open a box of 1000 that shows up in the mail.
Quote from: ducpainter on March 21, 2016, 03:17:49 AM
Lead weights are going bye bye.
Many are steel or other metals now.
Mine are all depleted uranium
Quote from: red baron on March 20, 2016, 08:33:12 PM
dental offices also dispose of large amounts of lead.
Dental amalgam doesn't use lead anymore. Mercury, silver, copper, and tin primarily.
Quote from: cokey on March 19, 2016, 06:44:20 PM
Anyone recapture their led to use in reloading ?
I can't imagine that being cost effective. I just looked on ebay, and you can buy 20 1lb lead ingots for $24.75. That is only $0.57 a mole ;D
How long would it take to pick up 20lbs of spent lead at a range? Way too long...
Quote from: zach on March 21, 2016, 12:49:21 PM
I can't imagine that being cost effective. I just looked on ebay, and you can buy 20 1lb lead ingots for $24.75. That is only $0.57 a mole ;D
How long would it take to pick up 20lbs of spent lead at a range? Way too long...
Depends on your grouping I would imagine ;D
Quote from: NAKID on March 21, 2016, 01:02:28 PM
Depends on your grouping I would imagine ;D
[clap]
Quote from: NAKID on March 21, 2016, 01:02:28 PM
Depends on your grouping I would imagine ;D
[laugh] [laugh]
Took one of my neighbors that's been 'shooting all his life' to the range today, and gave him some proper training. Needless to say he had an eye opening training session. ;)
Left eye?
;D
Quote from: red baron on March 24, 2016, 05:49:01 PM
Left eye?
;D
No, didn't have to deal with that at least.
I could use a few of those sessions kopf!
Quote from: GK on March 24, 2016, 06:12:22 PM
I could use a few of those sessions kopf!
I'm here, anytime. ;)
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 24, 2016, 06:34:22 PM
I'm here, anytime. ;)
When I get back on my feet, I'll give a call and talk about it . . .
Quote from: DarkMonster620 on March 24, 2016, 06:39:38 PM
When I get back on my feet, I'll give a call and talk about it . . .
8)
GIMBY 2016
Guns
In
My
Back
Yard
Maybe I should plan this...I do have enough land for it.
Free shipping today.
www.freedommunitions.com (//http://)
I wished I could just purchase and have it sent to me [bang]
17 shooters today, 9hr course, 600+ rounds per man. Everything today was from concealed.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/4CD43BAE-815D-4E0A-81A2-326A0DD310C5.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/4CD43BAE-815D-4E0A-81A2-326A0DD310C5.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/F78EFAE3-CE10-4254-AB63-FEB145489E19.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/F78EFAE3-CE10-4254-AB63-FEB145489E19.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/D6330109-0424-4388-B0E7-A3A20064D674.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/D6330109-0424-4388-B0E7-A3A20064D674.jpg.html)
Hot ass gun will brand your belly. :D
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/62208F62-FC4B-4CF3-A352-1A00D5A026CB.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/62208F62-FC4B-4CF3-A352-1A00D5A026CB.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/B01F5F38-4E81-4C19-926E-066478EFB354.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/B01F5F38-4E81-4C19-926E-066478EFB354.jpg.html)
New trigger for the build came in.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/CFEF8DDD-5EDF-4817-B308-9291535FE27C.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/CFEF8DDD-5EDF-4817-B308-9291535FE27C.jpg.html)
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 26, 2016, 04:37:59 PM
(http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/B01F5F38-4E81-4C19-926E-066478EFB354.jpg.html)
What is the guy in the background looking for? [laugh]
Quote from: red baron on March 27, 2016, 06:06:35 PM
What is the guy in the background looking for? [laugh]
He's trying not to burn his belly getting back in the holster. :D
How far are you from ATL and how often do you run these courses?
Quote from: duccarlos on March 28, 2016, 01:42:44 PM
How far are you from ATL and how often do you run these courses?
1hr. The course schedule for this year is on the website.
Dawson Precision just called and said my new STI is shipping today, 5 weeks ahead of schedule. [evil] 8)
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 28, 2016, 02:16:36 PM
Dawson Precision just called and said my new STI is shipping today, 5 weeks ahead of schedule. [evil] 8)
[thumbsup]
make the beast with two backs YEAH!!!!
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/34F5008C-513A-470A-8BC8-68A46253D6E7.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/34F5008C-513A-470A-8BC8-68A46253D6E7.jpg.html)
Nice piece!
Is it stock or did you do any mods?
Quote from: Zaster on March 30, 2016, 03:59:50 PM
Nice piece!
Is it stock or did you do any mods?
That's fresh out of the box. I'll change out the rear sight, but it needs nothing else done.
Oh, the ambi safety has to go as well.
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 30, 2016, 04:18:40 PM
Oh, the ambi safety has to go as well.
Is that as easy as removing the lever or does it require a new safety on the other side?
Quote from: ducpainter on March 30, 2016, 04:36:08 PM
Is that as easy as removing the lever or does it require a new safety on the other side?
It'll just take a single side safety.
Real handguns don't need no thumb safety. ;D
Congrats, if that shoots as good as it looks, look out.
Quote from: red baron on March 30, 2016, 05:03:37 PM
Real handguns don't need no thumb safety. ;D
Congrats, if that shoots as good as it looks, look out.
:D Well, if they didn't a lot of people would shoot themselves. It's an incredible gun, and I know how they shoot. The Glocks will go on vacation for awhile. My single stack STI should be shipping back soon as well.
Dawson Precision ordered . ..
Quote from: ducpainter on March 30, 2016, 05:49:01 PM
What'd you buy?
set of sights . . black out rear fo front
Kop, got a site to look at STIs?
Quote from: cokey on March 30, 2016, 08:13:12 PM
Kop, got a site to look at STIs?
http://www.brazoscustom.com/sti_guns.htm (http://www.brazoscustom.com/sti_guns.htm)
https://dawsonprecision.com/ (https://dawsonprecision.com/)
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 30, 2016, 04:18:40 PM
Oh, the ambi safety has to go as well.
I agree.
What do you think about the stepped grip safety? I'm not a big fan of them...
Quote from: Charlie98 on March 30, 2016, 08:17:07 PM
I agree.
What do you think about the stepped grip safety? I'm not a big fan of them...
Are you talking about the grip safety on the new gun?
Quote from: DarkMonster620 on March 30, 2016, 05:52:19 PM
set of sights . . black out rear fo front
Left or right eye?
;D
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 30, 2016, 08:21:27 PM
Are you talking about the grip safety on the new gun?
Yes. I bought a Taurus 1911 a few years ago and it had that stepped grip safety... I grip the 1911 as high as I can get my hand on it and for some reason, the trigger was always catching on the safety. I've never had that problem with a standard grip.
Quote from: red baron on March 30, 2016, 09:09:58 PM
Left or right eye?
;D
cyclops model . .. [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Quote from: Charlie98 on March 31, 2016, 05:50:58 AM
the trigger was always catching on the safety.
¿Qué?
I might have missed something, how do you get a safety caught on the trigger?
Quote from: duccarlos on March 31, 2016, 09:42:02 AM
I might have missed something, how do you get a safety caught on the trigger?
you need to drink your energy drinks to understand . . .
Quote from: Charlie98 on March 31, 2016, 05:50:58 AM
Yes. I bought a Taurus 1911 a few years ago and it had that stepped grip safety... I grip the 1911 as high as I can get my hand on it and for some reason, the trigger was always catching on the safety. I've never had that problem with a standard grip.
The speed bump exists to help force the safety to disengage when you grip the firearm. I also grip as high as possible, and have never had that issue. Sounds like a fitment issue with the safety.
Quote from: duccarlos on March 31, 2016, 09:42:02 AM
I might have missed something, how do you get a safety caught on the trigger?
I believe that he means that the trigger bow is not sliding past the grip safety internally.
Quote from: zach on March 31, 2016, 01:29:19 PM
I believe that he means that the trigger bow is not sliding past the grip safety internally.
Pin it and forget it. ;)
My 1911 still needs a little work. Caspian frame, with a commander length slide made by STI. Slide and barrel are fit, but lots left to do.
(https://catie.smugmug.com/4928/i-NLx38TM/0/M/20160331_174206-M.jpg)
Looks good, but you got a tad more to do. ;) Please don't make it shiny. :D
Quote from: zach on March 31, 2016, 01:25:41 PM
The speed bump exists to help force the safety to disengage when you grip the firearm. I also grip as high as possible, and have never had that issue. Sounds like a fitment issue with the safety.
Quite possible. That wouldn't have been the only problem with the Taurus... It's long gone.
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 31, 2016, 04:04:53 PM
Looks good, but you got a tad more to do. ;) Please don't make it shiny. :D
Speaking of things to be done... Frank's big, fancy machine spitting out rear sights yet?
Quote from: Bick on March 31, 2016, 06:19:00 PM
Speaking of things to be done... Frank's big, fancy machine spitting out rear sights yet?
They've been running a bunch of test pieces. I'll find out if there's any on Saturday.
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 31, 2016, 06:31:33 PM
They've been running a bunch of test pieces. I'll find out if there's any on Saturday.
[thumbsup]
Ran 500rds through the new 2011. My Glocks just got a little sun. :D The STI is simply just stupid smooth.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/EBD0CCFF-588A-4805-AA7A-4A98B0160ED3.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/EBD0CCFF-588A-4805-AA7A-4A98B0160ED3.jpg.html)
Quote from: kopfjäger on April 02, 2016, 02:01:43 PM
My Glocks just got a little sun.
I'll give you my address to send the G19 to.
Quote from: DRKWNG on April 02, 2016, 03:03:48 PM
I'll give you my address to send the G19 to.
:D I'll need to keep it for teaching concealed classes. My boys have called dibs on all my kit when I go tits up. ;)
Y'all can get Gadsden tags? [bow_down]
Quote from: red baron on April 03, 2016, 07:58:59 AM
Y'all can get Gadsden tags? [bow_down]
Yep, got one for the bike as well.
Okie Dokie Artichokie
AK-74 Galore (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMBMdeN9dyg=em#)
"For when the finger don't do the working"
I love that dude.
That mag change at 5:08 ain't no make the beast with two backsing joke.
Working on presentation tonight, 12 yards, presenting each time.
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd86/scbaran/image_3.jpeg)
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd86/scbaran/image_4.jpeg)
Talking to Larry about his butt plug
Butt Plug (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WPS0npjXS0=em#)
Quote from: red baron on April 04, 2016, 09:16:06 PM
Working on presentation tonight, 12 yards, presenting each time.
(http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=494723&d=1459829416)
(http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=494730&d=1459829579)
I only see two little squares
Nada
[thumbsup]
Took some brass to the ammo dude this morning.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/909E6E8A-D0F6-49F8-A929-1282097BC431.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/909E6E8A-D0F6-49F8-A929-1282097BC431.jpg.html)
Some WOTG cocking serrations.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/007F2E36-3D92-47C7-AADA-90909AF65A78.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/007F2E36-3D92-47C7-AADA-90909AF65A78.jpg.html)
Uggghhh I so want a Gen4.....
Quote from: kopfjäger on April 05, 2016, 01:34:59 PM
Took some brass to the ammo dude this morning.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/909E6E8A-D0F6-49F8-A929-1282097BC431.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/909E6E8A-D0F6-49F8-A929-1282097BC431.jpg.html)
I'll take some of that if you ever in the hood ;D
Quote from: kopfjäger on April 05, 2016, 01:34:59 PM
Took some brass to the ammo dude this morning.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/909E6E8A-D0F6-49F8-A929-1282097BC431.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/909E6E8A-D0F6-49F8-A929-1282097BC431.jpg.html)
kopf,
I thought you said it wasn't worth your while to pick it up! Lol!
That certainly looks worthwhile! ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»
Quote from: GK on April 05, 2016, 11:58:19 PM
kopf,
I thought you said it wasn't worth your while to pick it up! Lol!
That certainly looks worthwhile! ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»
:D I didn't pick it up, load it or unload it. Frank pays a guy to do that. I just drove it to Summit. It was just shy of $600 worth.
That's a great drive right there! 😃
$600 isn't loose change! $$$ ðŸ'ðŸ»
Quote from: GK on April 06, 2016, 01:13:58 PM
That's a great drive right there! 😃
$600 isn't loose change! $$$ ðŸ'ðŸ»
Just to be clear, that brass is off the range. Frank gets that discount towards his ammo purchase. He did give me 2k rds for dropping it off and picking up new ammo.
Good range session today. Tons of mag change drills (upwards of 200). For you guys working on your tactical shooting, you need to incorporate days like this. You would normally get 20 or so mag changes in a session, but set up 3-4 mags all with single rounds. Start from the rig with the first shot, combat (tactical) reload, shot, reload, shot reload etc etc. keep setting up single mags and work the make the beast with two backs out of it.
Carbine course today. 600rds per man. Some good dudes today, and they got a ton of work.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/76AD702C-AA16-488B-9753-02C678E9393C.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/76AD702C-AA16-488B-9753-02C678E9393C.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/48D8349D-AC51-4798-9865-4D4B44626C0C.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/48D8349D-AC51-4798-9865-4D4B44626C0C.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/8FBC16AF-A2FB-4823-8E74-00F93B77CDF7.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/8FBC16AF-A2FB-4823-8E74-00F93B77CDF7.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/4DF7F832-2697-4D87-9478-6F70B23BBD7C.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/4DF7F832-2697-4D87-9478-6F70B23BBD7C.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/0313A4AD-B8BE-4E13-B62D-A86952B0F6CC.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/0313A4AD-B8BE-4E13-B62D-A86952B0F6CC.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/BE765788-7277-4844-A39D-148F762BC625.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/BE765788-7277-4844-A39D-148F762BC625.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/71E234AE-5A26-491C-9EC3-910508618060.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/71E234AE-5A26-491C-9EC3-910508618060.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/EEA32015-85D1-4454-8928-CEED3E657CF3.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/EEA32015-85D1-4454-8928-CEED3E657CF3.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/E74B987F-674B-4021-9452-A9D2F2713F6D.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/E74B987F-674B-4021-9452-A9D2F2713F6D.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/961D0495-7322-4C71-A929-4D033C8A7B2F.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/961D0495-7322-4C71-A929-4D033C8A7B2F.jpg.html)
Luv the "NUGE" shirt. [thumbsup]
Quote from: red baron on April 07, 2016, 07:12:04 PM
Luv the "NUGE" shirt. [thumbsup]
Yeah, I had to get a pic of that. He was a French trained Chef for 11yrs. He does stone work now, and shoots as much as possible, pretty cool cat.
I'll just leave this here.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1184107 (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1184107)
'Ma Duece' [evil]
Quote from: kopfjäger on April 07, 2016, 08:47:20 PM
'Ma Duece' [evil]
IF I could ship it to my dad in NY, i'd consider it for the look of sheer joy that would cascade over him. He loves that thing even to this day.
Quote from: red baron on April 07, 2016, 08:36:51 PM
I'll just leave this here.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1184107 (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1184107)
If everyone here just gave me $0.73 ;D [evil]
Quote from: kopfjäger on April 06, 2016, 02:56:52 PM
Just to be clear, that brass is off the range. Frank gets that discount towards his ammo purchase. He did give me 2k rds for dropping it off and picking up new ammo.
Good range session today. Tons of mag change drills (upwards of 200). For you guys working on your tactical shooting, you need to incorporate days like this. You would normally get 20 or so mag changes in a session, but set up 3-4 mags all with single rounds. Start from the rig with the first shot, combat (tactical) reload, shot, reload, shot reload etc etc. keep setting up single mags and work the make the beast with two backs out of it.
Glad you got something out of it! You'll burn through 2000 rounds in a few range days though! 😉
Thanks for the tips! Much appreciated. Keep them coming! ðŸ'ðŸ»
Perhaps we need a new thread 'on the range with kopf!'
this is interesting,
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/12928182_1146559802050697_419538160255829334_n.jpg?oh=6bc95e1dc3bcfbe0619e47df362aa9b7&oe=578B7583)
Jerry took one to the range. ;)
http://youtu.be/AJbS5PYQudQ (http://youtu.be/AJbS5PYQudQ)
Textured my grip, replaced the ambi safety, new rear site, removed the oversized mag well and massaged the trigger. (Clean break at 3lbs). Ran 500 through it. Stoopid make the beast with two backsing gun. [evil]
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/4E3F468A-B359-48C9-9711-A3F4DF0E950D.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/4E3F468A-B359-48C9-9711-A3F4DF0E950D.jpg.html)
LGS has a great deal on a trade in M590A1......hmmm
Quote from: red baron on April 17, 2016, 09:57:11 AM
LGS has a great deal on a trade in M590A1......hmmm
Go for it.
I just bought (another) FR8
I love spanish mausers. No idea why.
(http://www.libertytreecollectors.com/productcart/pc/catalog/Spanish48909FR8Mauser.JPG)
Just showed up in the mail... [thumbsup]
Thank You. [beer]
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b486/acbick/IMG_20160418_155547443_zpskvb41xpe.jpg~original)
Army don't use no glocks. ;D
Just told wifey we're takin a road trip.
http://www.wayofthegun.us/basic-pistol-level-1-course-eastaboga-al-may-28-2016/ (http://www.wayofthegun.us/basic-pistol-level-1-course-eastaboga-al-may-28-2016/)
Now to sell the idea.... ;D
Quote from: red baron on April 18, 2016, 07:19:13 PM
Army don't use no glocks. ;D
Just told wifey we're takin a road trip.
http://www.wayofthegun.us/basic-pistol-level-1-course-eastaboga-al-may-28-2016/ (http://www.wayofthegun.us/basic-pistol-level-1-course-eastaboga-al-may-28-2016/)
Now to sell the idea.... ;D
SOF does. ;)
Hell yeah!
Quote from: red baron on April 18, 2016, 07:19:13 PM
Army don't use no glocks. ;D
Times they are a changin'!
Quote from: red baron on April 18, 2016, 07:19:13 PM
Just told wifey we're takin a road trip.
http://www.wayofthegun.us/basic-pistol-level-1-course-eastaboga-al-may-28-2016/ (http://www.wayofthegun.us/basic-pistol-level-1-course-eastaboga-al-may-28-2016/)
Now to sell the idea.... ;D
Driving across the country again?
So you will be booking this class in Denver! [thumbsup] It wil be good to see you again. [beer]
If I were to drive across the country to take a class, I would go all out on that class:
http://www.wayofthegun.us/4-day-performance-carbine-and-pistol-course-eastaboga-al-october-4-7-2016/ (http://www.wayofthegun.us/4-day-performance-carbine-and-pistol-course-eastaboga-al-october-4-7-2016/)
That's gonna be a fun one.
Bick,
I'll go with you. perfect time o year for leaf peeping.
Quote from: red baron on April 18, 2016, 07:59:05 PM
Bick,
I'll go with you. perfect time o year for leaf peeping.
I will keep that in mind. It looks like it would be a fun class!
Gotta dig through the couch cushions and see if I can come up with $45K! [evil]
(https://www.gunsamerica.com/userimages/137802/900531840/wm_8485125.jpg)
https://www.gunsamerica.com/900531840/Collector-Alert-Prohibition-Era-Original-Colt-1921-AC-Thompson-Tommy-Gun-NFA-Machine-Gun.htm (https://www.gunsamerica.com/900531840/Collector-Alert-Prohibition-Era-Original-Colt-1921-AC-Thompson-Tommy-Gun-NFA-Machine-Gun.htm)
Quote from: Bick on April 19, 2016, 09:50:27 AM
Gotta dig through the couch cushions and see if I can come up with $45K! [evil]
(https://www.gunsamerica.com/userimages/137802/900531840/wm_8485125.jpg)
https://www.gunsamerica.com/900531840/Collector-Alert-Prohibition-Era-Original-Colt-1921-AC-Thompson-Tommy-Gun-NFA-Machine-Gun.htm (https://www.gunsamerica.com/900531840/Collector-Alert-Prohibition-Era-Original-Colt-1921-AC-Thompson-Tommy-Gun-NFA-Machine-Gun.htm)
$45k?!?!
They shoot like shit. ;) Just get a replica.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=553685791 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=553685791)
First products from the new machine.
http://www.wayofthegun.us/wotg-slide-modifications/ (http://www.wayofthegun.us/wotg-slide-modifications/)
http://www.wayofthegun.us/wotg-slide-performance-package/ (http://www.wayofthegun.us/wotg-slide-performance-package/)
http://www.wayofthegun.us/plm-v3/ (http://www.wayofthegun.us/plm-v3/)
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b486/acbick/IMG_20160419_181103291_zpslfmhmllz.jpg~original)
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b486/acbick/IMG_20160419_181341_zpsdq9elpek.jpg~original)
Will be going shooting on Friday to see how they do.
I'm sure they'll be as good as the operator. ;D
Quote from: Bick on April 19, 2016, 09:50:27 AM
Gotta dig through the couch cushions and see if I can come up with $45K! [evil]
(https://www.gunsamerica.com/userimages/137802/900531840/wm_8485125.jpg)
https://www.gunsamerica.com/900531840/Collector-Alert-Prohibition-Era-Original-Colt-1921-AC-Thompson-Tommy-Gun-NFA-Machine-Gun.htm (https://www.gunsamerica.com/900531840/Collector-Alert-Prohibition-Era-Original-Colt-1921-AC-Thompson-Tommy-Gun-NFA-Machine-Gun.htm)
well it is C&R, you can transfer it direct lol
Dang, that Tommy gun is right in my home town. Thought it would come in a violin case though. Wish I've seen that ad before I just sank some $$$ into my new target rifle.
Being a total Cooper fan-boy, I just picked up a .22lr Cooper TRP (Target Rifle Project) and topped it with a March 40x scope. Just about got her broken in using mostly Lapua Midas+ and I'm pretty pleased with the performance so far. I'm really liking the March scope too.
(http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k445/majmontana/IMG_1835_zpsahv4trxd.jpg)
(http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k445/majmontana/IMG_1841_zpswi4c2gej.jpg)
Gotta get a tall rear bag.
(http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k445/majmontana/IMG_1843_zpskkaqohjx.jpg)
(http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k445/majmontana/IMG_1845_zpsthb4rfim.jpg)
(http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k445/majmontana/IMG_1844_zps5tmivvrm.jpg)
3" wide forestock
(http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k445/majmontana/IMG_1848_zpsbif8tjfa.jpg)
A couple of the best groups so far at 50 yds.
The Cooper test group is .095 and I think this rifle will live up to that potential once I can find the best ammo - can't complain about the Midas+ though. Gotta make some improvements on my rest set-up and learn how it shoots best. I've been having much better results shouldering it instead of shooting free-recoil so far.
Sweet [thumbsup]
Cool!
Couple three hundred rds today, and I set the range up for my class tomorrow. A dude that I trained with (not gun related) called me to spin him up for an FBI HRT tryout. He came out of the Regiment, and is moving in a different direction. I'm gonna put him through the paces tomorrow afternoon and Sunday.
Zeroed my 458 SOCOM at an indoor range today. Will check it at the 100 yard range next week. The fireball is impressive, as is the muzzle blast [laugh] Pic is a screenshot from video.
(https://catie.smugmug.com/4928/i-kvw7Vf9/0/M/Screenshot_2016-04-22-16-26-17-M.png)
[evil]
Thursday night mozambique drill, best effort two targets, three mags, presenting each time, just under 14 seconds.
G19 is enroute. ;D
IDPA mañana.
One of the dudes in my class today was shooting this H&K. The mag release at the base and back of the trigger guard is the dumbest shit I've seen. [bang]
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/A8052AF5-AA6A-47BE-9DEF-DD6F5329B446.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/A8052AF5-AA6A-47BE-9DEF-DD6F5329B446.jpg.html)
No compromise
Quote from: DRKWNG on April 23, 2016, 09:07:59 PM
No compromise
I've test fired a few HK pistols... realllllly wanting to like them. I always come away confused. I guess my Kimber and Kahrs are a compromise... [laugh]
Quote from: DRKWNG on April 23, 2016, 09:07:59 PM
No compromise
[laugh] [laugh] Never gets old
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/C3F22E12-4FB9-4B29-B24C-026987D5BD3E.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/C3F22E12-4FB9-4B29-B24C-026987D5BD3E.jpg.html)
I've always wanted a framed copy of that ;D
Great training session today, I was feeling it for a change. Frank came out today and we went over a shit ton of drills (600+ rds) we're gonna do for a 'Combat Pistol' class on Friday. It's going to be a good time. I also got a call from the NASCAR guys, and I'm gonna train them Saturday after they qualify at Talladega. It's an impound race so they can't touch the car. The crew chief is gonna let me sit on the pit box Sunday at the race. [evil]
Quote from: kopfjäger on April 25, 2016, 02:58:32 PM
Great training session today, I was feeling it for a change. Frank came out today and we went over a shit ton of drills (600+ rds) we're gonna do for a 'Combat Pistol' class on Friday. It's going to be a good time. I also got a call from the NASCAR guys, and I'm gonna train them Saturday after they qualify at Talladega. It's an impound race so they can't touch the car. The crew chief is gonna let me sit on the pit box Sunday at the race. [evil]
You gonna wear a Ducati ot KTM t-shirt? ;D
Quote from: ducpainter on April 25, 2016, 03:00:35 PM
You gonna wear a Ducati ot KTM t-shirt? ;D
I'll have to put some thought into my outfit. :D
Quote from: kopfjäger on April 25, 2016, 03:02:37 PM
I'll have to put some thought into my outfit. :D
WOTG shirt with phone number!!! [thumbsup]
Shameless self promotion. ;D
Rough range day today, sometimes they happen. My advice is if you're really running a gun hard, lots of training sessions, it's best to just pack up and go home vs 'hot mopping' a bunch of drills. If you don't get that much range time, then take a break (smoke'em if ya got'em). Then get back after it. 8)
hot mopping?
Quote from: red baron on April 27, 2016, 06:40:57 PM
hot mopping?
Slang for make the beast with two backsing off, wasting time, half assing it, etc etc.
Should have booted them out. [thumbsup]
Quote from: red baron on April 27, 2016, 07:27:18 PM
Should have booted them out. [thumbsup]
I'm talking about myself.
Quote from: kopfjäger on April 27, 2016, 07:35:01 PM
I'm talking about myself.
Then absolutely he should have been booted out!
[cheeky]
:D Oh, I know when to pull myself off the range.
Shilen had their annual swap meet/open house last weekend. Didn't take nearly enough pictures. Lots of bad ass old machinery [thumbsup]
(https://catie.smugmug.com/4928/i-KmhJKv3/0/M/20160423_091743-M.jpg)
Watching them drill the barrel was pretty amazing
(https://catie.smugmug.com/4928/i-v7jfpLC/0/M/Screenshot_2016-04-28-19-29-10-M.png)
Each barrel is scoped
(https://catie.smugmug.com/4928/i-XGvQQTj/0/L/20160423_085415-L.jpg)
This is the machine that rifles the barrel. Takes 30 seconds. The hand written numbers on the lever are twist rates.
(https://catie.smugmug.com/4928/i-RFSTL2P/0/L/20160423_085902-L.jpg)
I bought a 20" Select Match barrel while there. Topped it off with a Vortex Razor II 4.5-27x. This may seem like heresy to some, but this scope is every bit as good as my Schmidt & Bender 5-25 [evil]
Went to a local range to get it sighted in today. 100 yard zero. I'll be taking it to TacPro tomorrow and shooting out to 800.
(https://catie.smugmug.com/4928/i-8RgqNDR/0/M/Screenshot_2016-04-28-18-49-31-M.png)
It seemed to like the Hornady 75gr...
(https://catie.smugmug.com/4928/i-BvnHQZC/0/XL/20160428_115421-XL.jpg)
Then I tried 77gr Federal GMM. This is the best group I've ever managed out of an AR.
(https://catie.smugmug.com/4928/i-jgDHqKD/0/L/20160428_114808-1-L.jpg)
(https://catie.smugmug.com/4928/i-mf9wmT5/0/L/Screenshot_2016-04-28-19-42-28-L.png)
Shoot more shots...
the groups will get worse. ;D
Quote from: ducpainter on April 28, 2016, 05:51:08 PM
Shoot more shots...
the groups will get worse. ;D
Truth! I only brought 40 rounds, and was concerving ego [cheeky] I'll post the bad ones from tomorrow ;D
[laugh]
;D [thumbsup]
I usually only shoot 100~150 rounds when I go to the range . . . Why? Is about the same amount of money . . .I do not lime reloads . . .
Great day today. They shot a shit ton of ammo. My ass is smoked. NASCAR guys tomorrow.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/130ADE13-1FD3-4C49-9B10-3B82BF43FE60.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/130ADE13-1FD3-4C49-9B10-3B82BF43FE60.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/602E81AA-FCF3-4FFE-A6DF-1F0074148908.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/602E81AA-FCF3-4FFE-A6DF-1F0074148908.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/BDB229B0-1A49-40ED-82AE-284D99D7A38C.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/BDB229B0-1A49-40ED-82AE-284D99D7A38C.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/B9B3B7F0-01AC-42BA-BCF5-4015748BFD23.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/B9B3B7F0-01AC-42BA-BCF5-4015748BFD23.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/6F406C2E-BB7D-4B5B-A4D7-A229FE07011D.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/6F406C2E-BB7D-4B5B-A4D7-A229FE07011D.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/4254408A-017A-4100-AD85-25A9C0F4B9A7.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/4254408A-017A-4100-AD85-25A9C0F4B9A7.jpg.html)
Ya get a little dirty training with us.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/0603749F-D4DC-40EC-B27D-AE3C8E5751E8_1.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/0603749F-D4DC-40EC-B27D-AE3C8E5751E8_1.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/94B0D882-121A-4A2B-969C-9F2984D022EB_4.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/94B0D882-121A-4A2B-969C-9F2984D022EB_4.jpg.html)
http://youtu.be/ufabKKTTDqk (http://youtu.be/ufabKKTTDqk)
http://youtu.be/-12tcNBoSms (http://youtu.be/-12tcNBoSms)
[thumbsup]
Quote from: red baron on April 30, 2016, 11:02:20 PM
Well, how did celebrity shooting go?
and which celebrities did you put out of my misery?
:-)
Quote from: red baron on April 30, 2016, 11:02:20 PM
Well, how did celebrity shooting go?
Went good. I had them for 5hrs, all carbine work.
A little self promotion...
(https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/12304180_10205078206700984_3783316881005104746_o.jpg)
Finally found a Kydex holster that is comfortable to me, made by Fist with the optional suede backing. Very thin and carries great.
(https://catie.smugmug.com/4928/i-nbVLzVT/0/L/20160503_121245-L.jpg)
(https://catie.smugmug.com/4928/i-9XDRngq/0/L/20160503_121345-L.jpg)
Carry with an RMR?
Never even considered that.
I was skeptical at first, but it actually carries quite well. I opted for the fiber optic model so I wouldn't have to turn the sight on every morning. Plus I would hate to forget to change the batteries and have a dead sight.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/6C3826B8-F11E-481F-9CD6-C3D3B2EA94A5.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/6C3826B8-F11E-481F-9CD6-C3D3B2EA94A5.jpg.html)
[drool]
Their guns are sick.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/0EAC0EFF-FC93-4DAD-A6F7-78F918DA2004.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/0EAC0EFF-FC93-4DAD-A6F7-78F918DA2004.jpg.html)
If I put in a build sheet, it takes 12-15 months.
Why'd your pic change?
The first one was nicer...
and they're both too make the beast with two backsing much money.
Quote from: ducpainter on May 04, 2016, 05:20:19 PM
The first one was nicer...
and they're both too make the beast with two backsing much money.
That particular build would be the route I take, with a few changes.
Quote from: ducpainter on May 04, 2016, 05:20:19 PM
The first one was nicer...
and they're both too make the beast with two backsing much money.
So, one could buy a Glock and a nice motorcycle instead?
What's the fancy work on the hammer and trigger do?
Quote from: kopfjäger on May 04, 2016, 04:55:36 PM
Strayer-Voight Infinity
How absurdly expensive are they?
Getting into this league?
http://hollandandholland.com/ (http://hollandandholland.com/)
Quote from: Speeddog on May 04, 2016, 08:03:19 PM
So, one could buy a Glock and a nice motorcycle instead?
What's the fancy work on the hammer and trigger do?
On the low end, it'll cost $3.8, Hot Rod guns $9-10
Lighter, less mass on the hammers allow dudes with ridiculous trigger speed to do crazy light triggers and run the hell out of them. I don't fall in that group, plus I don't run 'race' guns. The first pic is a similar gun to my STI, but refined even more.
A setup like this will set you back.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/470D5EF1-39D6-400B-83C6-AC64C5C42D79.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/470D5EF1-39D6-400B-83C6-AC64C5C42D79.jpg.html)
Quote from: kopfjäger on May 04, 2016, 08:16:54 PM
On the low end, it'll cost $3.8, Hot Rod guns $9-10
Lighter, less mass on the hammers allow dudes with ridiculous trigger speed to do crazy light triggers and run the hell out of them. I don't fall in that group, plus I don't run 'race' guns. The first pic is a similar gun to my STI, but refined even more.
If I am going to drop that kind of coin on a firearm, it is going to be the ultimate in hunting rifles... [evil]
(http://www.rockislandauction.com/photos/63/p_standard/CJF9-K-F2-L.jpg)
Quote from: Bick on May 04, 2016, 08:26:18 PM
If I am going to drop that kind of coin on a firearm, it is going to be the ultimate in hunting rifles... [evil]
There ya go, folks spend the money that 'they' want, on the guns of their choice.
Quote from: Bick on May 04, 2016, 08:26:18 PM
If I am going to drop that kind of coin on a firearm, it is going to be the ultimate in hunting rifles... [evil]
(http://www.rockislandauction.com/photos/63/p_standard/CJF9-K-F2-L.jpg)
What's the component on the top of the scope, attached to the elevation?
Quote from: Speeddog on May 04, 2016, 08:57:26 PM
What's the component on the top of the scope, attached to the elevation?
I think that's Barrett's gun mounted ballistic computer.
Quote from: kopfjäger on May 04, 2016, 08:39:50 PM
There ya go, folks spend the money that 'they' want, on the guns of their choice.
(https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/13147650_10206067868721916_6542498143008372906_o.jpg)
Quote from: kopfjäger on May 04, 2016, 09:03:47 PM
I think that's Barrett's gun mounted ballistic computer.
Ah, electro-optical rangefinder. Thanks!
Quote from: Speeddog on May 04, 2016, 09:20:53 PM
Ah, electro-optical rangefinder. Thanks!
Here's the Wiki on the BORS. I've never even seen one, much less used it. We used ATrag mostly, along with some other ballistic apps.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrett_Optical_Ranging_System
Quote from: kopfjäger on May 04, 2016, 10:06:37 PM
Here's the Wiki on the BORS. I've never even seen one, much less used it. We used ATrag mostly, along with some other ballistic apps.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrett_Optical_Ranging_System (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrett_Optical_Ranging_System)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axSbd4hd8J4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axSbd4hd8J4)
Freedom is running 15% off today.
https://www.freedommunitions.com/ (https://www.freedommunitions.com/)
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13178795_10154305382419369_278523641956070698_n.jpg?oh=4f46b913ebc644c1166b6725bd382f56&oe=57E6A114)
:D
Quote from: Oldfisti on May 06, 2016, 11:57:40 AM
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IZ got a New Agent? ;D
It's the 19,000,011
Free shipping today at Freedom, no minimum.
RIP Pat Rogers
Ripping good day at the steel match today.
Shot well, even an RSO mentioned how well my presentation looked today. [thumbsup] No video for kop to critique (was lightly raining), next time.
Just got in from teaching a ladies only class. They did well, and one of the ladies husbands is in for a treat tonight. (Her words, not mine) 8)
Quote from: kopfjäger on May 07, 2016, 01:12:57 PM
Just got in from teaching a ladies only class. They did well, and one of the ladies husbands is in for a treat tonight. (Her words, not mine) 8)
Alrighty then! Lol
Quote from: kopfjäger on May 07, 2016, 01:12:57 PM
Just got in from teaching a ladies only class. They did well, and one of the ladies husbands is in for a treat tonight. (Her words, not mine) 8)
Uh oh!!! :o
A little motivational video for the ladies, or everyone for that matter.
http://youtu.be/z7GPCvs7xXA (http://youtu.be/z7GPCvs7xXA)
Fairly strong week of work, 3 days and about 1,500rds. Off day tomorrow, teaching on Saturday.
http://youtu.be/L6aNzFYHyz8 (http://youtu.be/L6aNzFYHyz8)
Quote from: red baron on May 14, 2016, 06:46:05 AM
http://youtu.be/L6aNzFYHyz8 (http://youtu.be/L6aNzFYHyz8)
Sammy was the man. Coolest cat in the Rat Pack imho. 8)
Good class today, 12 shooters. Average round count was 700. Tons of good work.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/6250A140-51BA-4B03-A13B-62055C9E12AE.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/6250A140-51BA-4B03-A13B-62055C9E12AE.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/4A0D1C39-A281-4029-B723-F8E69AEAC182.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/4A0D1C39-A281-4029-B723-F8E69AEAC182.jpg.html)
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd86/scbaran/image_5.jpeg)
Damn fast shipping. Now for the install and training. [thumbsup]
Quote from: red baron on May 18, 2016, 06:48:11 PM
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd86/scbaran/image_5.jpeg)
Damn fast shipping. Now for the install and training. [thumbsup]
[thumbsup]
You'll like them.
How many more days until you can pick up your 19?
Will they put them on while it is in the holding pattern?
Tuesday and Yes. ;D
I'm a bit surprised how small these are. :P
They will be more proportional when they are on.
[thumbsup]
They do seem to gather more light than the current setup.
Quote from: red baron on May 18, 2016, 07:18:26 PM
They do seem to gather more light than the current setup.
That front sight'll stand out like a dick in church.
New slide cut.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/992A5E68-3165-42C4-BE86-D5955D508E41.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/992A5E68-3165-42C4-BE86-D5955D508E41.jpg.html)
Quote from: kopfjäger on May 18, 2016, 07:20:41 PM
That front sight'll stand out like a dick in church.
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Quote from: kopfjäger on May 18, 2016, 07:21:14 PM
New slide cut.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/992A5E68-3165-42C4-BE86-D5955D508E41.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/992A5E68-3165-42C4-BE86-D5955D508E41.jpg.html)
Very Nice!
Who did it?
Quote from: Monsterlover on May 18, 2016, 07:22:10 PM
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
You laugh, but that front sight really does light up like the Vegas Strip!
Quote from: red baron on May 18, 2016, 06:58:54 PM
I'm a bit surprised how small these are. :P
"I'm sorry, sir, your order cannot be shipped at this time. A mouse broke into our warehouse and stole all of our inventory."
Whats the side cuts look like?
Some pics from the first 2 days of the 4 day. All carbine work, pistol next two days.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/2C4ADA29-8B53-4675-8AA5-9B1B4953AA7A.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/2C4ADA29-8B53-4675-8AA5-9B1B4953AA7A.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/CCF93722-71D9-4CE4-A07C-DE6DA0BD43D9.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/CCF93722-71D9-4CE4-A07C-DE6DA0BD43D9.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/85BC760F-1C6A-4B35-A6B1-15D14ACF542B.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/85BC760F-1C6A-4B35-A6B1-15D14ACF542B.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/1A94959D-EAE9-4784-A9D8-C76548835D03.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/1A94959D-EAE9-4784-A9D8-C76548835D03.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/9641B828-442D-4946-8ADA-7B254CA3BE7B.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/9641B828-442D-4946-8ADA-7B254CA3BE7B.jpg.html)
Quote from: red baron on May 18, 2016, 07:38:46 PM
Whats the side cuts look like?
It can pretty much be anything you want.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/C61195D0-2D65-43ED-A5FF-19FADA2159F1.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/C61195D0-2D65-43ED-A5FF-19FADA2159F1.jpg.html)
I watched it cut the crest and flag today. When it was doing the stars, it cracked me up. Peck peck peck peck. :D
Very cool.
Quote from: red baron on May 18, 2016, 07:53:06 PM
Very cool.
After coating
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/22F3724D-5681-42D9-A30C-17249B18BF88.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/22F3724D-5681-42D9-A30C-17249B18BF88.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/19D66510-4D73-4B78-8334-4F3CF46B9426_1.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/19D66510-4D73-4B78-8334-4F3CF46B9426_1.jpg.html)
Glare cuts
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/AA40FFBE-6FD2-4994-82E2-357E08937C30.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/AA40FFBE-6FD2-4994-82E2-357E08937C30.jpg.html)
I like the glare cuts. [thumbsup]
What color is that specifically?
Quote from: Bick on May 18, 2016, 08:00:25 PM
I like the glare cuts. [thumbsup]
+11ty [thumbsup] [thumbsup] [thumbsup] [thumbsup]
Quote from: cokey on May 18, 2016, 08:14:46 PM
What color is that specifically?
Flat Dark Earth
Quote from: kopfjäger on May 18, 2016, 08:59:58 PM
Flat Dark Earth
I thought FDE was a darker brown color.
I liked your first answer better. :D
:D
Sights are mounted and minus connector installed, still waiting for the CA jailbreak. ;D
Strong four days of work. These guys shot a ton of drills. Round count was about 1,200 5.56 and 1,400 9mm. I'm teaching a Basic class tomorrow.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/CA70CBF6-88AB-4778-A8B2-186739FDC2B2.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/CA70CBF6-88AB-4778-A8B2-186739FDC2B2.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/FAAD959C-FB80-4C0A-AFBE-13B8DAB53BE9.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/FAAD959C-FB80-4C0A-AFBE-13B8DAB53BE9.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/F164AB03-2AC1-4835-9987-A15BF2A1FC46.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/F164AB03-2AC1-4835-9987-A15BF2A1FC46.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/FB7DFA9E-85F7-45EB-8978-C34B36232059.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/FB7DFA9E-85F7-45EB-8978-C34B36232059.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/703563DE-8348-4090-80F5-9C330B3A79DF.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/703563DE-8348-4090-80F5-9C330B3A79DF.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/E96586A7-F47A-4B07-8FF4-BA66457824B1.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/E96586A7-F47A-4B07-8FF4-BA66457824B1.jpg.html)
Quote from: kopfjäger on May 18, 2016, 07:59:04 PM
Glare cuts
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/AA40FFBE-6FD2-4994-82E2-357E08937C30.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/AA40FFBE-6FD2-4994-82E2-357E08937C30.jpg.html)
That's old-school right there... shame they don't do that anymore.
I don't know who 'they' is, but 'we' as well as some other places do.
Quote from: kopfjäger on May 20, 2016, 04:15:47 PM
I don't know who 'they' is, but 'we' as well as some other places do.
The sky is blue...
or so
they say...
but what is blue...
and who the make the beast with two backs are they. ;D ;D ;D
[laugh] [laugh]
Quote from: kopfjäger on May 20, 2016, 04:15:47 PM
I don't know who 'they' is, but 'we' as well as some other places do.
One more thing to add to the list of things for me to spend money on...
Quote from: Bick on May 20, 2016, 07:45:27 PM
One more thing to add to the list of things for me to spend money on...
Can't take it with ya.
The 'old man' getting busy.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/0C2EF22B-2BFD-4AB0-9ABF-9DD4800A828B.png) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/0C2EF22B-2BFD-4AB0-9ABF-9DD4800A828B.png.html)
Quote from: kopfjäger on May 20, 2016, 07:50:43 PM
Can't take it with ya.
How fast are you turning these around?
Might have to get a trigger while I am at it.
Quote from: Bick on May 20, 2016, 09:32:26 PM
How fast are you turning these around?
Might have to get a trigger while I am at it.
Cerakote is about a 2 week turn around. Nitride is about 6.
Just got in from running a basic class. Went well, but an anticlimactic day after four straight days of running and gunning. I put the girl that works in the shop in it to get her spun up. She never handled a gun before, listened and did well.
Quote from: kopfjäger on May 21, 2016, 02:25:55 PM
Just got in from running a basic class. Went well, but an anticlimactic day after four straight days of running and gunning. I put the girl that works in the shop in it to get her spun up. She never handled a gun before, listened and did well.
BYOA or the course supplies ammo?
Quote from: Monsterlover on May 21, 2016, 02:57:50 PM
BYOA or the course supplies ammo?
They bring it or buy it at the shop.
Noted
Quote from: kopfjäger on May 21, 2016, 02:25:55 PM
Just got in from running a basic class. Went well, but an anticlimactic day after four straight days of running and gunning. I put the girl that works in the shop in it to get her spun up. She never handled a gun before, listened and did well.
Pics? ;D
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd86/scbaran/image_6.jpeg)
Kept meaning to take some, but didn't.
I know how that goes. I had several three group shots all with one hole, I should have snapped a shot before the flyers started. ;D
Opinions on the Mossberg HS12?
G19 jailbreak mañana. [thumbsup]
Then off to AZ to break her in. [evil]
Quote from: red baron on May 23, 2016, 04:33:26 PM
G19 jailbreak mañana. [thumbsup]
Then off to AZ to break her in. [evil]
Shouldn't you be going to AL? [evil]
True I "should" however this corporation has expectations of me. 8)
Working on taking my dad to AL. Would be great to see him on the range.
Quote from: red baron on May 23, 2016, 05:34:03 PM
True I "should" however this corporation has expectations of me. 8)
Working on taking my dad to AL. Would be great to see him on the range.
Have they met all your expectations?
It's a fair question. ;D
No politics you know the rules. [cheeky]
Quote from: red baron on May 23, 2016, 05:42:32 PM
No politics you know the rules. [cheeky]
This discussion can be resolved by a yes or no answer...
nuthin' political about it. ;D
Quote from: ducpainter on May 23, 2016, 05:44:42 PM
This discussion can be resolved by a yes or no answer...
nuthin' political about it. ;D
Y'already know da answer. ;D
Quote from: red baron on May 23, 2016, 05:48:58 PM
Y'already know da answer. ;D
Sooooo...
why aren't you in 'Bama? [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
ducbaiter
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Quote from: red baron on May 23, 2016, 04:33:26 PM
G19 jailbreak mañana. [thumbsup]
Then off to AZ to break her in. [evil]
Today is Emancipation Day! [thumbsup] [thumbsup]
Where are the pics?
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd86/scbaran/image_9.jpeg)
Damn photo bucket working like shit, no more pics....
Put red in there. Far easier to pick it up in bright sunlight.
Y notch is shooting great.
'I wouldn't lie to ya' ;)
Never even crossed my mind.
Training session today. I've hit a wall, been here before but this ones taking more time to break through. Subconscious mind is driving the train like he should, but somethings out of balance. I'll be happy when this one ends. Teaching tomorrow myself, 6 shooters. Getting hot here in the 'dirty south.'
Quote from: kopfjäger on May 27, 2016, 04:33:47 PM
Getting hot here in the 'dirty south.'
Come to New Mexico and enjoy some tamales.
Quote from: DRKWNG on May 27, 2016, 05:40:59 PM
Come to New Mexico and enjoy some tamales.
I might be traveling some this summer.
I've got an extra bedroom here. Just saying...
Quote from: DRKWNG on May 27, 2016, 05:40:59 PM
Come to New Mexico and enjoy some tamales.
How do you like NM so far?
Quote from: Zaster on May 27, 2016, 05:53:28 PM
How do you like NM so far?
I'm digging it. Nice to be away from the mid-atlantic. Heading up there to see Stu tomorrow, and drop off the Sport Classic.
gun thread:
(https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/06/e6/bb/d8/ibis-murcia.jpg)
I'd love to hear that thing fire! [evil]
Quote from: DRKWNG on May 27, 2016, 05:57:19 PM
I'm digging it. Nice to be away from the mid-atlantic. Heading up there to see Stu tomorrow, and drop off the Sport Classic.
gun thread:
(https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/06/e6/bb/d8/ibis-murcia.jpg)
Now that's a gun [clap]
Want to do a Crest run while you are up here [Dolph]
Quote from: DRKWNG on May 27, 2016, 05:40:59 PM
Come to New Mexico and enjoy some tamales.
and sopapilla
Quote from: Zaster on May 27, 2016, 06:19:11 PM
Want to do a Crest run while you are up here [Dolph]
It would be nice, but I'm bringing the bike up in the back of a truck and leaving it with him for a while.
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd86/scbaran/image.png)
As suggested. ;D
Quote from: DRKWNG on May 27, 2016, 07:57:34 PM
It would be nice, but I'm bringing the bike up in the back of a truck and leaving it with him for a while.
We have bikes [Dolph]
Quote from: red baron on May 27, 2016, 08:00:29 PM
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd86/scbaran/image.png)
As suggested. ;D
[thumbsup] I see that make the beast with two backser in my sleep.
Quote from: Zaster on May 27, 2016, 06:19:11 PM
Want to do a Crest run while you are up here [Dolph]
Maple [bacon] [Dolph] Muffins!!! [drool]
Because this is the Gun Thread:
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_liuqnths9r1qfymz8o1_500.jpg)
Forgot to tell you about running a few mags through an STI. [evil]
Quote from: red baron on May 27, 2016, 09:35:51 PM
Forgot to tell you about running a few mags through an STI. [evil]
Which one?
Ha, I'll have to look it up, wasn't really paying it too much attention, 9MM bull barrel something or other.
I'll look in the morning, that heat wore me down along with the 4 hr drive home...... :P
Quote from: Bick on May 27, 2016, 08:32:28 PM
Maple [bacon] [Dolph] Muffins!!! [drool]
Because this is the Gun Thread:
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_liuqnths9r1qfymz8o1_500.jpg)
Being a gun thread, we do have big guns aka [leo] on our ass when we ride the Crest.
Some get caught and some don't [Dolph]
Quote from: red baron on May 27, 2016, 09:58:08 PM
Ha, I'll have to look it up, wasn't really paying it too much attention, 9MM bull barrel something or other.
1911 or 2011?
1911
Rimfire special. ;D
Free shipping over $50, comes to $.065 per round for mini mags. Make sure to use code "25OFF"
$7.99 - Limit 5 100rd, CCI Varmint Ammo, .22 LR, 36-gr., Mini Mags http://www.gandermountain.com/modper...view&from=grid (http://www.gandermountain.com/modper...view&from=grid)
$7.99 Limit 5 100rd, CCI Target And Plinking Ammunition, 40-gr,. Mini Mags http://www.gandermountain.com/modper...vOo_UkaFvuqh5w (http://www.gandermountain.com/modper...vOo_UkaFvuqh5w)
$29.99 - Limit 1 300rd, CCI Signature Swamp People, .22 LR, 36-gr., Mini Mags http://www.gandermountain.com/modper...-CPHP&i=784027 (http://www.gandermountain.com/modper...-CPHP&i=784027)
1300 rds for $85 delivered
That's right, lady's on the range today, and it was balls hot. You guys can turn your card in on the way out. :-*
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/F6C573F2-C8D5-4DFF-AAF9-3ACFDDB01409_1.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/F6C573F2-C8D5-4DFF-AAF9-3ACFDDB01409_1.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/D8883CE7-ADDD-4671-8EA4-9F75646A3294.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/D8883CE7-ADDD-4671-8EA4-9F75646A3294.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/0A5CA825-086D-406C-AB72-EFACF3C59D19.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/0A5CA825-086D-406C-AB72-EFACF3C59D19.jpg.html)
Sight update:
First IDPA match with the Y-Notch on the G19, what a difference a few thousandths makes in speed and accuracy. Todays session stages were quite complex and the Y notch just made things so easy had I not made a procedural error, I would have shot one of my best days with the shortest pistol I've ever attempted.
It looks like I'm going to need to have some grip work done to the G19 as i don't find it as comfortable as the 17, but I'll wait until I pass 1k rounds before doing any mods like that.
I shot with some Browning ammo today (147 grain flat nose), it ran pretty nice but have some first round feeding issues (likely due to the 10 rounds mags here in the republik) it was quite snappy, in fact it felt more like .40.
[thumbsup]
Bunch o ammo expended today...
Loving the WOTG sights. [thumbsup] Tight groups, but still anticipating with the 21.
Need a trip to Alabama to break some habits.
Now a big night of gun cleaning.
On a glock?
Should be about 3 minutes. ;D
Quote from: red baron on May 30, 2016, 06:44:33 PM
On a glock?
Should be about 3 minutes. ;D
Doing fine with the 1911. Glock - pretty consistently center gut shots.
230 grain gut shot should work fine, unless you're aiming for the head. [laugh]
Quote from: red baron on May 30, 2016, 07:05:17 PM
230 grain gut shot should work fine, unless you're aiming for the head. [laugh]
Center chest so it is only a couple inches. Still on target, so close enough that anyone coming down the hallway that shouldn't be isn't leaving in good health...
But still...
They don't get shot once, so it don't make the beast with two backsing matter where the first shot hits, cuz he's got a bunch of friends right behind him. ;)
Looks like the native Americans have outsmarted the California politicians.
[thumbsup]
http://www.offrosterguns.com (http://www.offrosterguns.com)
ðŸ'ðŸ»
I've decided I need a bipod on my 10/22, which I use for squirrel hunting and coyote sniping.
Anyone have an opinion on whether the bipods with the "pivot" feature are worth it, or is it a solution to a problem that doesn't exist?
Also, any suggestions on what length legs to get?
Quote from: Rameses on June 02, 2016, 07:43:27 PM
I've decided I need a bipod on my 10/22, which I use for squirrel hunting and coyote sniping.
Anyone have an opinion on whether the bipods with the "pivot" feature are worth it, or is it a solution to a problem that doesn't exist?
Also, any suggestions on what length legs to get?
Definitely get the swivel mount unless you are shooting it off a bench or other level surface. I cheaped out on the Harris for one of my AR's... and I regret it. As far as length, it depends on where you are shooting from and at what angle; the longer the legs, the more unsteady it gets, however.
http://www.harrisbipods.com/HBRS.html (http://www.harrisbipods.com/HBRS.html)
Not what you asked, but might want to use something with a bit more oomph for coyotes.
Quote from: kopfjäger on June 02, 2016, 08:02:17 PM
http://www.harrisbipods.com/HBRS.html (http://www.harrisbipods.com/HBRS.html)
That QD rail mount looks like the hot setup. Mine is the (very) old-fashioned one that has a ring through the swivel stud... very uncooperative. I bought a second set of forearm covers so I can just swap covers out if I want to drop the bipod.
Quote from: DRKWNG on June 02, 2016, 08:07:30 PM
Not what you asked, but might want to use something with a bit more oomph for coyotes.
Using the term sniping was misleading.
It's a triple tap to the head, inside 20 yards, type deal.
This one is for kop, thanks. [thumbsup]
https://youtu.be/m8X4_oi7XgI
I guess I'm gonna have to fly out there. [thumbsup]
That sight set up is sweet ain't it?
My buddy is selling this. I want it.
Remington 700PSS .308
(http://i.imgur.com/Nr0MmVn.jpg)
Can't go wrong if the price is right. ;)
You tell me. $1250.
Remington 700PSS (Law Enforcement variant) in .308 with a low round count. Barrel properly broken in. LAPD 3.5-10x Leupold Vari-X (duplex reticle) scope, Leupold mount and rings, HS Precision railed stock, Harris bipod, Atlas BT06 monopod, rifle case, rail mount sling/bipod attachment, bore attachment (for cleaning), and a trigger tuned 2.5# by Remington LE Armorer.
(http://i.imgur.com/WDb8tpL.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/3lbNH94.jpg)
Buy it!!!
Before you can't. :P
Compare it to some of these. It's a fair price.
http://www.gunbroker.com/All/BI.aspx?Keywords=Remington+700 (http://www.gunbroker.com/All/BI.aspx?Keywords=Remington+700)
Well-I'm told the PSS variant adds to the value-likely to people who are way better shots than me :P
Quote from: Satellite smithy on June 04, 2016, 01:03:29 PM
Well-I'm told the PSS variant adds to the value-likely to people who are way better shots than me :P
You don't have to be a professional race car driver to appreciate driving a race car. ;)
Kopf, did you ever talk to Frank about the Wilson barrel he's had in his M&P? I'm looking at picking up either one of those or a KKM, and wanted to see what he thought of the Wilson.
Quote from: DRKWNG on June 04, 2016, 02:34:02 PM
Kopf, did you ever talk to Frank about the Wilson barrel he's had in his M&P? I'm looking at picking up either one of those or a KKM, and wanted to see what he thought of the Wilson.
I'll find out. If he had one, it's not in the gun now and I don't know when the last time he shot that gun was. He normally runs factory barrels.
Frank said the M&P has more problems than that barrel can fix. ;)
Quote from: kopfjäger on June 04, 2016, 03:22:00 PM
Frank said the M&P has more problems than that barrel can fix. ;)
lol Yeah, I get that; especially when you're running 147gr rds through it. Problem is, that's what all the jurisdictions here carry, so I kind of want commonality for when I go 10-8.
Quote from: DRKWNG on June 04, 2016, 03:39:24 PM
lol Yeah, I get that; especially when you're running 147gr rds through it. Problem is, that's what all the jurisdictions here carry, so I kind of want commonality for when I go 10-8.
Pick your poison then. Both barrels are good, but no need for a match grade barrel for duty work.
Quote from: kopfjäger on June 04, 2016, 04:01:32 PM
Pick your poison then. Both barrels are good, but no need for a match grade barrel for duty work.
Just don't like how the stock barrels allow the groups to open up so much past 15yds when shooting the heavier bullets.
https://www.facebook.com/US.PoliceOfficers/videos/1523786367949568/ (https://www.facebook.com/US.PoliceOfficers/videos/1523786367949568/)
[roll] [bang]
You know that's Dave Harrington, right?
Quote from: DRKWNG on June 05, 2016, 11:57:29 AM
You know that's Dave Harrington, right?
Never heard of him. Now I know why.
16 year tab-wearer and two time senior weapon instructor at the JFK school at Bragg. There's a good chance he taught you, you're just too old to remember. [cheeky]
Quote from: DRKWNG on June 05, 2016, 12:12:45 PM
16 year tab-wearer and two time senior weapon instructor at the JFK school at Bragg. There's a good chance he taught you, you're just too old to remember. [cheeky]
I'd know him if he was one of my instructors.
Quote from: red baron on June 05, 2016, 08:05:49 AM
https://www.facebook.com/US.PoliceOfficers/videos/1523786367949568/ (https://www.facebook.com/US.PoliceOfficers/videos/1523786367949568/)
Where's the airplane?
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] First thing that came to mind.
Unlocked elbows worked much better today. [thumbsup]
[thumbsup]
look ma, no baffles
http://osssuppressors.com/suppressors/ (http://osssuppressors.com/suppressors/)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35q4hx6IdCk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35q4hx6IdCk)
https://youtu.be/bFZr6T2NgxE
Quote from: kopfjäger on June 06, 2016, 08:02:35 AM
https://youtu.be/bFZr6T2NgxE
pretty cool stuff
that video was posted just a week ago!
Quote from: ducatiz on June 06, 2016, 11:03:58 AM
pretty cool stuff
that video was posted just a week ago!
Pretty awesome, not that the average 'Joe' would torture an AR like that, and several 'cans' on the market are just fine. I'll be getting one for sure just for the make the beast with two backs of it.
Quote from: kopfjäger on June 06, 2016, 08:02:35 AM
https://youtu.be/bFZr6T2NgxE
Coming to Kaliifornia soon................... [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
The horse is dead. Move ;)
No sir, not yet.......yet. ;D
Quote from: kopfjäger on June 06, 2016, 02:51:49 PM
Pretty awesome, not that the average 'Joe' would torture an AR like that, and several 'cans' on the market are just fine. I'll be getting one for sure just for the make the beast with two backs of it.
i'm more interested in the performance and back pressure reduction. whoever figured that out is pretty damn smart/luck
Oh yeah, since I decided to get back in the habit of bouncing into the forum again. Worth mentioning that I have a reason to post in this thread now. Acquired 2 guns recently, neither usable at the moment. A Nambu type 14 and a Colt 1903. I'll get around to tossing up a pic or 2 at some point.
Quote from: ducatiz on June 07, 2016, 10:32:35 AM
i'm more interested in the performance and back pressure reduction. whoever figured that out is pretty damn smart/luck
Yep, someone with a big brain figured that out, and/or stumbled on it. Very impressive. $1.4k is the cost as of now.
Quote from: kopfjäger on June 06, 2016, 08:02:35 AM
https://youtu.be/bFZr6T2NgxE
I had to laugh when I watched that... with those techs standing there in Tyvek and masks, looking bored and uninterested.
When I was in Army basic back in '86, one of the courses was an infiltration course where they fired live ammo over us. I was in the first wave, and then got picked to pick up the M60 brass in one of the towers after the second wave. So I get up there, and they had an M60 on a tripod, fixed to not move. The second wave starts, and when they blew the gas mortars (to simulate a mortar attack,) dude on the M60 opens up... he's standing there eating an apple, pulling every so often on the M60's trigger, bored out of his mind.
My latest addition to the stupid-quiet builds. This is PWS Summit biathlon style action and trigger group with Ruger 10/22 aftermarket barrel and stock. this was a challenge to build. due to the style of action, the head spacing was critical. Adjustments took a long time. I have yet to take this one to the range. I might get the chance this weekend.
(http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/ducrider45/IMG_18851_zpsxvfebme2.jpg)
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Purty.
What barrel is that?
Quote from: Rameses on June 08, 2016, 09:07:38 PM
What barrel is that?
Looks like this one from Tactical Solutions
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/648217/tactical-solutions-barrel-ruger-10-22-22-long-rifle-920-diameter-1-in-16-twist-16-1-2-fluted-aluminum-threaded-muzzle# (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/648217/tactical-solutions-barrel-ruger-10-22-22-long-rifle-920-diameter-1-in-16-twist-16-1-2-fluted-aluminum-threaded-muzzle#)
Quote from: Rameses on June 08, 2016, 09:07:38 PM
What barrel is that?
It is a Tactical Solutions barrel in flat OD green.
I've been using a Whistle Pig fluted bull barrel, but it's time to get something with threads.
I've been really happy with the accuracy of the barrel, but installation involved cutting a feeler gauge to use as a shim. So I wouldn't mind trying a barrel from somebody else this time around.
Feddersen gets good reviews.
Nitride coated
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/C0D581C8-1C1D-40B1-BFDE-28FF54F85670.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/C0D581C8-1C1D-40B1-BFDE-28FF54F85670.jpg.html)
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[thumbsup]
Looking good, you running a 34?
Quote from: red baron on June 13, 2016, 03:53:50 PM
Looking good, you running a 34?
Not mine. Since buying the STI, my Glocks are on vacation.
Got some SVI goodies for the STI.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/01AACC62-882B-422C-BB4E-C26E18A7D4E1.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/01AACC62-882B-422C-BB4E-C26E18A7D4E1.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/F119B5E2-1BA8-4717-95D2-26E6C67BCA44.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/F119B5E2-1BA8-4717-95D2-26E6C67BCA44.jpg.html)
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Concealed Carry
In light of recent events I want to discuss a few things and offer some advice. (No make the beast with two backsing politics)
Carrying a firearm concealed for the purpose of defending others or yourself bears great responsibility and training to execute on demand with 100% accuracy and accountability. (Read that again out loud)
Most folks here know my background and what I do now that I'm retired. If you are allowed to carry where you live, you have got to 'train'. If you wear a suit to work and carry, you need to spend time training in that attire. I know far to many folks that carry, but never really do any training in that configuration. You need to test different holsters and mag pouches (1 mag will only get you so far)
I shoot more ammo per week than most folks shoot in a year, and I'm still learning. One of my quotes is "Stay green" meaning if you think you know it all, you better walk away now before you get yourself or someone else make the beast with two backsed up.
Situational awareness is broken down in 4 colors.
White
Yellow
Orange
Red
Most folks walk around in White, completely unaware of their surroundings. Don't be that person, whether you carry or don't. Yellow is a good place to be (that's how we drive, well some of us. Doing several things at the same time). I float in and out of Orange when I'm moving around in public.
Know the condition of your gun at all times. I drop mags and press check for brass when I get out of my truck to enter an establishment. This does two things for me. Let's me know the weapon is good to go, and gives me a mental check that I'm moving around in public with a gun, (I carry everywhere) and reminds me of that responsibility. (I take this very seriously)
If you don't carry (or do), when you enter a crowded venue, note where emergency or back exits are. Don't go hide in a bathroom if the shit hits the fan. Don't be a sheep.
Keep training, your life could depend on it. As always I'll offer any and all advice I have on the subject. I'm a very passionate trainer, ask anyone who's ever been trained by me, or worked for me.
Daryl
Good range work today. Worked out some anger. Shot this first array from 25 in number sequence, good drill.
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This bay has 3 lanes, white tgts from here. Chest plates get 2, disc gets 1.
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Black from here
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Red from here
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You're not training enough. [cheeky]
8)
:-X [evil] ;D
Damn these sights make shooting much more fun. [thumbsup] [thumbsup] [thumbsup] [thumbsup]
Quote from: red baron on June 16, 2016, 10:00:43 PM
Damn these sights make shooting much more fun. [thumbsup] [thumbsup] [thumbsup] [thumbsup]
Wait till you get proper training. ;)
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Strong work today (500+) I was feeling it for a change. Getting balls hot here in the dirty south.
Here's my contribution to this thread
Colt 1903
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Nambu Type 14
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a295/giacco/P6170025_zpsbcfh1qoi.jpg)
Cool. You should see if a small museum might want to exhibit those.
Quote from: kopfjäger on June 17, 2016, 04:00:01 PM
Cool. You should see if a small museum might want to exhibit those.
That small museum will be in my house [laugh]
They were my father in law's, the Nambu he took off a soldier in WW2, along with the guy's sword which my wife's nephew has.
The Colt was made in 1919 and the Nambu in 1934. Was pretty easy to find out with all the info on the internet.
Ya gotta get that sword. ;)
Quote from: kopfjäger on June 17, 2016, 04:08:29 PM
Ya gotta get that sword. ;)
I'd love to but not going to press the issue.
Quote from: lethe on June 17, 2016, 04:09:10 PM
I'd love to but not going to press the issue.
If you come here, I'll show you this collection. Truly amazing, and it used to be in his house.
http://www.bermanmuseum.org/pages/?pageID=27 (http://www.bermanmuseum.org/pages/?pageID=27)
Probably get some nice display cases and put them on the wall behind the bar.
I'd love to make that Nambu workable again if for no other reason than it looks weird but it would probably explode in my hand lol.
Super cool lethe. [thumbsup] [thumbsup]
just finished cleaning a .22 for one of m clients, the looked it up, S&W model 41, wow is this thing pricey....super smooth, may have to run over to the range for a function test. ;D
Whatever you do, don't clean it up. The patina is what makes that and if you were inclined to sell it, cleaning it up would destroy the value...
Quote from: NAKID on June 17, 2016, 05:18:42 PM
Whatever you do, don't clean it up. The patina is what makes that and if you were inclined to sell it, cleaning it up would destroy the value...
No gold plating and bedazzling? Damn, there go my plans [cheeky]
Yeah I know not to restore them.
Do they function?
Quote from: red baron on June 17, 2016, 05:32:34 PM
Do they function?
Not about to randomly put ammo through them and don't know about the 1903 but I know dry firing the Nambu is a no no, but they otherwise move freely and potentially would work as is...maybe..possibly..perhaps
On the way home from the range, I stopped at a local gun shop to drop off some flyers for my classes. I was bullshitting with the owner, talking about having him sell on of my pistols. A local 'officer' stopped in, nice enough guy, I've met him before. Anyway the owner is showing him a Glock that just had some WOTG work done. He handed him the pistol, slide forward (never except a gun from someone in that condition) and he starts looking at the work, he's to my right and all I can see is the barrel staring right at me. [bang] "I don't get it big Dan"
Should grabbed the barrel posted it safely and pregnant dog slapped him. [thumbsup]
Quote from: red baron on June 17, 2016, 05:55:29 PM
Should grabbed the barrel posted it safely and pregnant dog slapped him. [thumbsup]
I'm pretty stupid, but I know better than that. Now, on my range, whole different story. I'll send a grown man away with his tail between his legs at the drop of a hat.
Free shipping today at Freedom
https://www.freedommunitions.com/ (https://www.freedommunitions.com/)
Took me quite some time to finally get the one I wanted, I'm contemplating getting new sights. Now to get one for the wife.
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y121/3twenty8i/Mobile%20Uploads/20160617_215547_zpswg4fbeul.jpg) (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/3twenty8i/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160617_215547_zpswg4fbeul.jpg.html)
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(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y121/3twenty8i/Home%20and%20Personal%20Security/20160626_185141_zpshxct2ntg.jpg) (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/3twenty8i/media/Home%20and%20Personal%20Security/20160626_185141_zpshxct2ntg.jpg.html)
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y121/3twenty8i/Home%20and%20Personal%20Security/20160626_185107_zpseffw4dy0.jpg) (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/3twenty8i/media/Home%20and%20Personal%20Security/20160626_185107_zpseffw4dy0.jpg.html)
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Goes here
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=39943.7080 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=39943.7080)
Easy on dat trigger finger. :P
Took me quite some time to finally get the one I wanted, I'm contemplating getting new sights. Now to get one for the wife.
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y121/3twenty8i/Mobile%20Uploads/20160617_215547_zpswg4fbeul.jpg) (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/3twenty8i/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160617_215547_zpswg4fbeul.jpg.html)
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y121/3twenty8i/Mobile%20Uploads/20160617_215449_zpskzu6jsge.jpg) (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/3twenty8i/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160617_215449_zpskzu6jsge.jpg.html)
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Thank you ;D
I spoke with a local church group today. They had an incident recently and want me to provide them some training. Holy make the beast with two backsing shit. Now I gotta figure out how to make the beast with two backsing teach a class without cussing every time I open my soup cooler.
Quote from: kopfjäger on June 27, 2016, 02:36:32 PMI spoke with a local church group today. They had an incident recently and want me to provide them some training. Holy make the beast with two backsing shit. Now I gotta figure out how to make the beast with two backsing teach a class without cussing every time I open my soup cooler.
Bless you my son! 😉😉
Incident...
Most church folk in my city would soil themselves over an incident. Glad the church folk in your area have a bit of fight in them. ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»
I'm keen to know how they go.
Saint Kilda? Come on kopf! Sheesh!
Wait one...
This is how it's done! 😉
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Quote from: GK on June 27, 2016, 03:04:56 PM
Saint Kilda? Come on kopf! Sheesh!
Wait one...
That's Ungs work
Quote from: kopfjäger on June 27, 2016, 02:36:32 PM
I spoke with a local church group today. They had an incident recently and want me to provide them some training. Holy make the beast with two backsing shit. Now I gotta figure out how to make the beast with two backsing teach a class without cussing every time I open my soup cooler.
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Quote from: kopfjäger on June 27, 2016, 03:10:28 PM
That's Ungs work
Of course it is. As soon as I saw the pic I knew it. The bloody rascal. Lol!
Quote from: GK on June 27, 2016, 02:58:16 PM
Bless you my son! 😉😉
Incident...
Most church folk in my city would soil themselves over an incident. Glad the church folk in your area have a bit of fight in them. ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»
I'm keen to know how they go.
Some dude had a bowl of 'loud mouth soup' and threatened to shoot everyone. Nothing happened, but they're all a bit shook up.
I bet they are. Hey, they're being proactive though. Good on em! ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»
Are many of the local folk you're talking about concealing or displaying?
Quote from: GK on June 27, 2016, 03:22:00 PM
I bet they are. Hey, they're being proactive though. Good on em! ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»
Are many of the local folk you're talking about concealing or displaying?
Around here it's a mix. When I see someone carrying open, I want to take it away. (Not a fan)
I'm not positive about these folks, but since they're asking for training, I'm assuming they all carry. The main guy behind this is also a knife maker, so I'm gonna get a few blades from him.
Sounds good! The barter system in process!
Fair assumption! ðŸ'ðŸ»
Small business owners by all means, but not out and about.
When is training taking place? Are they keen to get onto it pronto?
Bad cans :D
Did you see that? I deleted it because I didn't think it worked.
I'm cool with uploading photos, but videos are proving troublesome.
Quote from: GK on June 27, 2016, 03:52:55 PM
Did you see that? I deleted it because I didn't think it worked.
I'm cool with uploading photos, but videos are proving troublesome.
It played for me'
Quote from: kopfjäger on June 27, 2016, 03:56:41 PMIt played for me'
Hmmm.
You on a smart phone or PC?
I'll post it again then! 😀
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Lever action fun, when pump actions and semi autos are frowned upon!
yup, bad cans ., , , he ran out of ammo and ahd more cans
Quote from: GK on June 27, 2016, 03:46:32 PM
When is training taking place? Are they keen to get onto it pronto?
He was talking about October, so I guess they're not that' worried. ;)
Quote from: DarkMonster620 on June 27, 2016, 04:19:15 PM
yup, bad cans ., , , he ran out of ammo and ahd more cans
That particular firearm was originally meant to be 7+1 before there was a storm in a teacup. Now it's 5+1.
For the record, I did take care of the rest of the cans! ðŸ'ðŸ»
OOOOH, so it was you?
Quote from: kopfjäger on June 27, 2016, 04:21:13 PM
He was talking about October, so I guess they're not that' worried. ;)
October! That's not worried at all! Lol!
Quote from: DarkMonster620 on June 27, 2016, 04:39:17 PM
OOOOH, so it was you?
Yep! Lots of fun that shotgun! ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»
This weekend I'm heading to where koko64 and I grew up, for some fox and other varmint shooting on a mate's farm. Will be cold but fun!
Quote from: kopfjäger on June 27, 2016, 02:36:32 PM
I spoke with a local church group today. They had an incident recently and want me to provide them some training. Holy make the beast with two backsing shit. Now I gotta figure out how to make the beast with two backsing teach a class without cussing every time I open my soup cooler.
I'm doubting they picked you for your language skills. [thumbsup]
Quote from: kopfjäger on June 27, 2016, 02:36:32 PM
I spoke with a local church group today. They had an incident recently and want me to provide them some training. Holy make the beast with two backsing shit. Now I gotta figure out how to make the beast with two backsing teach a class without cussing every time I open my soup cooler.
Yes, in this case, the make the beast with two backsing shit is Holy. ;D
That should be an interesting client.
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(http://i.imgur.com/tXzHe5T.gif)
ðŸ'ðŸ¼ðŸ'ðŸ¼
Quote from: kopfjäger on June 27, 2016, 03:26:36 PM
Around here it's a mix. When I see someone carrying open, I want to take it away. (Not a fan)
I'm not positive about these folks, but since they're asking for training, I'm assuming they all carry. The main guy behind this is also a knife maker, so I'm gonna get a few blades from him.
Wait until he finds out what the knives new job will be. [evil]
Independence Day (Month) WOTG slide mod deals.
https://youtu.be/pVro2F4s-W0
Quote from: kopfjäger on June 30, 2016, 06:17:48 PM
Independence Day (Month) WOTG slide mod deals.
https://youtu.be/pVro2F4s-W0
I was right there with him till the :10 mark. :P
Quote from: red baron on June 30, 2016, 08:33:50 PM
I was right there with him till the :10 mark. :P
Well, that looked pretty easy, yes?
Quote from: red baron on June 30, 2016, 08:33:50 PM
I was right there with him till the :10 mark. :P
He's not even running it hard in that clip. ;)
Running it. 1x1
https://youtu.be/W6eXINBTahA
Running both guns hard.
https://youtu.be/u8qH9jOZxTc
Don't you have some skis to prep? ;D
:D Them shits is waxed.
(http://i1024.photobucket.com/albums/y304/tonykokonis/1024x768_bestfit%2017_zps63qsfmza.jpg)
Memories. Even the smell reminded me of going hunting with my dad and brother in our home town.
'I love the smell of gun oil in the morning, smells like.....victory'
So, kopfy... school me on .410 wheel guns. I'm cool with snakes except for rattlers in the backyard or otherwise encountered in the neighborhood. I also don't like being addressed by whoever the make the beast with two backs those assholes on ATVs were the other day. (note, they didn't do anything aggressive, but they were trespassing on private property, etc.)
I'm looking for something I don't have to qualify on every 6 months to maintain proficiency, but with more accuracy than a 12g Contendor. As far as I know, AZ is a strong castle state.
Is that even possible? (I was a basket weaver when I was in, and never got the fetish from family, though some have it. The ND through the wall leads me to discount that brother's opinion.)
Not my wheelhouse. Someone here might chime in.
Hours of backyard shenanigans. :D
http://bugasalt.com/ (http://bugasalt.com/)
Quote from: kopfjäger on June 30, 2016, 09:14:15 PM
Running both guns hard.
https://youtu.be/u8qH9jOZxTc
That's simply awesome fluidity! ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h288/GK1970/27BB9E19-6E9C-4A73-8F19-92E1632DAF61_zpsudrqcl1q.jpg) (http://s67.photobucket.com/user/GK1970/media/27BB9E19-6E9C-4A73-8F19-92E1632DAF61_zpsudrqcl1q.jpg.html)
First shot at a varmint with the new Adler lever action! A great start.
One of two foxes we got.
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h288/GK1970/A34C4130-4959-4669-BF6B-F28D55398A87_zpsbw0deprh.jpg) (http://s67.photobucket.com/user/GK1970/media/A34C4130-4959-4669-BF6B-F28D55398A87_zpsbw0deprh.jpg.html)
Awesome fun! ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»
[thumbsup] Hell yeah.
Wow, that lever appears to have a short barrel.
Free shipping from 'Freedom' till midnight the 4th. Orders over $99.
We bagged 5 tonight, plus a stack of rabbits.
Two of the five were dispatched by myself and my Henry .22LR lever action.
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h288/GK1970/2A9DC564-D2F1-4887-B30F-F94A1D34DEFC_zpsjdvnvftn.jpg) (http://s67.photobucket.com/user/GK1970/media/2A9DC564-D2F1-4887-B30F-F94A1D34DEFC_zpsjdvnvftn.jpg.html)
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h288/GK1970/5EE8E8E0-32F3-47BE-9315-F0CCD20738C2_zpsi1rhp9y8.jpg) (http://s67.photobucket.com/user/GK1970/media/5EE8E8E0-32F3-47BE-9315-F0CCD20738C2_zpsi1rhp9y8.jpg.html)
Them there's some good foxes....good and dead. [thumbsup]
Quote from: kopfjäger on July 03, 2016, 10:48:58 AM
Them there's some good foxes....good and dead. [thumbsup]
Absolutely. ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'🻠The only good fox...
Foxes and rabbits are introduced pests down here which cause great damage to the natural flora and fauna. Open season. We call rabbits "underground mutton" in the country. :D
We are also developing a deer problem with plague numbers in the Grampians National Park , Yarra Ranges State Forests and the Dandenong Ranges National Parks. Might have to get something heavy caliber for the Samba GK.
Quote from: koko64 on July 04, 2016, 03:48:09 AM
Foxes and rabbits are introduced pests down here which cause great damage to the natural flora and fauna. Open season. We call rabbits "underground mutton" in the country. :D
We are also developing a deer problem with plague numbers in the Grampians National Park , Yarra Ranges State Forests and the Dandenong Ranges National Parks. Might have to get something heavy caliber for the Samba GK.
I know there's heaps who love stalking animals for hours on end. I'm not one of them.
Is that something you'd like koko? I know you've mentioned a large caliber rifle a few times!
I'm more a target shooter. I'm done hunting for dinner although eradicating vermin helps the land. There's a branch of a local club specialising in open sight big bore rifles. Lee Enfields, BSAs and the like, 308s and 303s, range and wind adjustment, allowing for the drop of the projectile. Slow and steady long range stuff, real old school with no scopes allowed.
I think that's the crew I want to join.
I'm almost at a loss for words, I will say this. If you spend any time on a range around multiple shooters you're gonna catch brass from time to time. They seem to find a way down your shirt, and they burn like a mothermake the beast with two backser, but you gotta suck it up until you either holster or put the gun down before you start jumping around and screaming. If you're on a 'bowling' lane range up against a wall, you're gonna eat brass. Deal with it. You'll also catch spall coming back off of steel, hurts like make the beast with two backs, suck it up. 'Never ever let the muzzle of your gun point at anything you're not prepared to destroy' I've most likely said that thousands and thousands of times. Finger is never on the trigger until sights are on the target, and the split second you come off the target, your finger goes on the frame.
Uh oh, what happened?
Father shot and killed his 14yr old son in Fla, trying to get hot brass out of his shirt.
Quote from: kopfjäger on July 04, 2016, 08:03:02 PM
Father shot and killed his 14yr old son in Fla, trying to get hot brass out of his shirt.
make the beast with two backs, so sad
Very sad. RIP Stephen, prayers with your family during this time.
Sadly completely avoidable.
Terrible terrible news!
My niece at a range in Shanghai.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/F842F15A-325E-4DC9-8AEB-A9BD81F1AE1F.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/F842F15A-325E-4DC9-8AEB-A9BD81F1AE1F.jpg.html)
Gun skilz hereditary?
[thumbsup] [thumbsup]
Quote from: Bick on July 06, 2016, 06:38:49 PM
Gun skilz hereditary?
[thumbsup] [thumbsup]
Not necessarily ;)
Geez, looks like it's never been cleaned.
Funny, I would not think civilians get use of firearms there. Good for her. [thumbsup]
Three newbies introduced to the range yesterday. [thumbsup]
Quote from: red baron on July 11, 2016, 06:16:31 PM
Three newbies introduced to the range yesterday. [thumbsup]
You and who else?
Cold...
I keed ;)
;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CFY91FbRDw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CFY91FbRDw)
[evil] [evil] [evil] [evil]
I'm told, not confirmed yet, that there is a 50 cal with an upper AR15. Surely there's much more than the barrel but I wanted your thoughts and websites to research since $3-5k would be too much.
Quote from: muskrat on July 24, 2016, 06:36:54 PM
I'm told, not confirmed yet, that there is a 50 cal with an upper AR15. Surely there's much more than the barrel but I wanted your thoughts and websites to research since $3-5k would be too much.
This has been around for awhile if it's what you're talking about.
http://www.alexanderarms.com/products/50-beowulf (http://www.alexanderarms.com/products/50-beowulf)
Why go .50 when you could have this?
[evil]
http://shopwilsoncombat.com/Recon-SR-Tactical-Rifle-458-SOCOM-147-Barrel-1-22-Twist-Black/productinfo/RIFLE655/ (http://shopwilsoncombat.com/Recon-SR-Tactical-Rifle-458-SOCOM-147-Barrel-1-22-Twist-Black/productinfo/RIFLE655/)
Ferret makes an AR 50bmg upper. Expect a long wait. I've shot them, and they are incredible rifles. I believe they are Lothar Walther barrels.
Trained today (for make the beast with two backss sake its hot) then set one of the bays up for a class tomorrow. make the beast with two backs, it's gonna be hot. Had to get hard on the 19 for tomorrow, since I don't run the STI for these classes. (Well, it'll make an appearance to blaze some steel for show and tell) :D
Steel here tomorrow, looks like it will be 105. I sure hope this humidity leaves town soon. :P
Where's the kick the guy in the nuts emoji? :P
here
(http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k445/majmontana/kick-in-nuts.gif)
Quote from: kopfjäger on July 29, 2016, 07:49:35 PM
Where's the kick the guy in the nuts emoji? :P
[laugh]
Good day, stoopid hot. Wicked storm rolled through, then it got hotter.
I do not miss Alabama humidity.
https://youtu.be/dGGh8cYIpQU
Quote from: DRKWNG on July 30, 2016, 05:56:41 PM
I do not miss Alabama humidity.
Brutal the past two weeks.
Quote from: kopfjäger on July 30, 2016, 05:58:55 PM
Brutal the past two weeks.
I know. I was in Huntsville a week ago.
Quote from: DRKWNG on July 30, 2016, 08:03:18 PM
I know. I was in Huntsville a week ago.
Should have come to train fool.
only there for a few days, and had too much to take care of.
This a weather thread now? [roll]
I joined a pistol club last week. It's a private club and membership is by invitation only. Set up by an ex SAS guy. Should be fun and I'll learn as much as I can from him.
General intro course was done, paper test was sat and passed last week. We hit the range for the practical safety stuff next weekend.
I've done that a few times prior when receiving instruction at a good buddy's club. You can never get too much practise though. ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»
Will be good to get to know the other guys in the club too.
Quote from: ducpainter on July 31, 2016, 03:44:10 AM
This a weather thread now? [roll]
Ambient temperature and moisture levels in the air have a direct effect on how a bullet travels as it goes down range. 8)
Quote from: DRKWNG on July 31, 2016, 05:18:03 AM
Ambient temperature and moisture levels in the air have a direct effect on how a bullet travels as it goes down range. 8)
While that may well be true...
you two were just whining about the heat. :-*
I had two female shooters in my class yesterday. I've seen this several times now, someone talks them into buying a 'small' automatic thinking it will be easier for them to control etc. This couldn't be farther from the truth. Much more difficult to control a small frame gun, and weapons manipulation skills are difficult as well.
Quote from: GK on July 31, 2016, 04:18:32 AM
I joined a pistol club last week. It's a private club and membership is by invitation only. Set up by an ex SAS guy. Should be fun and I'll learn as much as I can from him.
General intro course was done, paper test was sat and passed last week. We hit the range for the practical safety stuff next weekend.
I've done that a few times prior when receiving instruction at a good buddy's club. You can never get too much practise though. ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»
Will be good to get to know the other guys in the club too.
Excellent [thumbsup]
Free shipping from Freedom Munitions till midnight.
Quote from: kopfjäger on July 31, 2016, 09:41:48 AM
I had two female shooters in my class yesterday. I've seen this several times now, someone talks them into buying a 'small' automatic thinking it will be easier for them to control etc. This couldn't be farther from the truth. Much more difficult to control a small frame gun, and weapons manipulation skills are difficult as well.
Funny you say the the Mrs. like the G17 much better than the G19.
Quote from: red baron on July 31, 2016, 12:05:23 PM
Funny you say the the Mrs. like the G17 much better than the G19.
Larger the frame, heavier the weight, easier to control. The issue is usually small hands, but that can easily be addressed with 'proper' training. I have small hands, they look similar to a bagel with 5 D cell batteries attached. (and they smell of cabbage)
Got another training gig near Chattanooga. It's a 4 day course, covering;
Self Defense Shooting (CMMS)
Hand-To-Hand
Mental Preparedness
Traumatic Injury Management
Survival Skills
The clients are very' wealthy individuals. I'll be running all of the shooting, along with some other subjects. Should be fun.
Quote from: kopfjäger on August 06, 2016, 03:23:33 PM
Got another training gig near Chattanooga. It's a 4 day course, covering;
Self Defense Shooting (CMMS)
Hand-To-Hand
Mental Preparedness
Traumatic Injury Management
Survival Skills
The clients are very' wealthy individuals. I'll be running all of the shooting, along with some other subjects. Should be fun.
Sounds like a good gig. Congrats. [thumbsup]
First range day at the new club yesterday.
Lots of safety training so we could all satisfy the relevant statutory requirements.
Done! ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ"«ðŸ"«
Next day is in a few weeks! Alas, I have a cousin's wedding!
[thumbsup]
Quote from: GK on August 08, 2016, 04:16:10 AM
Alas, I have a cousin's wedding!
Don't they have laws against that? [cheeky]
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/536F45A1-9231-4451-80CE-60FCDDD85C77.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/536F45A1-9231-4451-80CE-60FCDDD85C77.jpg.html)
Quote from: red baron on August 09, 2016, 08:11:36 PM
Don't they have laws against that? [cheeky]
Actually if you're referring to a law against first cousins marrying, I don't believe that they do here in Australia.
There's all sorts of genetic problems going on in certain sections of our population who think marrying a close relative is a grand idea.
As for my cousin, she's marrying someone whom she is not related to! Lol!
Quote from: kopfjäger on August 09, 2016, 08:30:51 PM
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/536F45A1-9231-4451-80CE-60FCDDD85C77.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/536F45A1-9231-4451-80CE-60FCDDD85C77.jpg.html)
Chimp has not had proper training.
Likely ready for a ND.
Chimp, or is it Clint Eastwood?
Quote from: red baron on August 10, 2016, 06:30:01 AM
Chimp has not had proper training.
Likely ready for a ND.
At least he's not looking at the ground. :-*
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/05B7D407-0EBF-4B40-83AD-F103015328E3.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/05B7D407-0EBF-4B40-83AD-F103015328E3.jpg.html)
Joke thread? ;D
Still funny
Quote from: red baron on August 10, 2016, 06:30:01 AM
Chimp has not had proper training.
Likely ready for a ND.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/08/10/woman-fatally-shot-in-accident-during-fla-citizen-police-academy-lethal-force-simulation/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/08/10/woman-fatally-shot-in-accident-during-fla-citizen-police-academy-lethal-force-simulation/)
Quote from: NAKID on August 10, 2016, 02:03:20 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/08/10/woman-fatally-shot-in-accident-during-fla-citizen-police-academy-lethal-force-simulation/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/08/10/woman-fatally-shot-in-accident-during-fla-citizen-police-academy-lethal-force-simulation/)
Damn that husband is a better man than I, I would not have responded in that manner. Very sad.
FTR, I like kopf's post better. :P
Quote from: NAKID on August 10, 2016, 02:03:20 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/08/10/woman-fatally-shot-in-accident-during-fla-citizen-police-academy-lethal-force-simulation/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/08/10/woman-fatally-shot-in-accident-during-fla-citizen-police-academy-lethal-force-simulation/)
[bang]
Another new member of the family. The one on the right...S&W M&P PC Shield 9
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y121/3twenty8i/Home%20and%20Personal%20Security/Screenshot_2016-08-07-16-05-09_zpsnals4ma3.jpg) (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/3twenty8i/media/Home%20and%20Personal%20Security/Screenshot_2016-08-07-16-05-09_zpsnals4ma3.jpg.html)
Now I can't wait to hit the range and cycle some rounds.
Get a blacked out rear on that thing. Let me know how you like it. Hard little gun to shoot. Run a couple 3-500 through that bad boy.
If you have someone that can work that trigger, do it. ;)
New variation on the slide cuts completed.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/95F28AE1-95EF-4E30-B902-D1236436492D.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/95F28AE1-95EF-4E30-B902-D1236436492D.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/A93D8670-93C3-48AC-B420-A3EADEF3744C.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/A93D8670-93C3-48AC-B420-A3EADEF3744C.jpg.html)
Frank should get someone who is handy at frame mods; i.e. hump removal.
Quote from: DRKWNG on August 12, 2016, 10:22:25 PM
Frank should get someone who is handy at frame mods; i.e. hump removal.
Looking to do it in house. Several of his have been used for testing. As of now it's easier to send it to ZEV or Fire4Effect.
I like those front cuts, very nice.
Congrats on the shield, range report when you get out please. [thumbsup]
Quote from: red baron on August 13, 2016, 06:44:34 AM
I like those front cuts, very nice.
Not just cuts, look close. The whole slide has been narrowed.
Quote from: kopfjäger on August 13, 2016, 07:12:45 AM
Not just cuts, look close. The whole slide has been narrowed.
well aint that cute. ;D
I'm thinking of a Browning Buckmark. Anyone got one?
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ahLX7EMhJq8/maxresdefault.jpg)
Tasty, with this barrel. [thumbsup]
Did it come with a matching tooth. :-*
Optional, usually sold that way in the south.
ROTFLMAO
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Anyone build from one of these?
http://www.polymer80.com/Polymer80-80-Pistol-Frame-V1_p_1839.html (http://www.polymer80.com/Polymer80-80-Pistol-Frame-V1_p_1839.html)
Several people on Pirate 4x4 have built them, and have been very happy. I'm ordering one this week.
Found this recently:
80% Sig
http://www.matrixprecisionparts.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=8 (http://www.matrixprecisionparts.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=8)
Quote from: zach on August 17, 2016, 12:11:31 PM
Several people on Pirate 4x4 have built them, and have been very happy. I'm ordering one this week.
Found this recently:
80% Sig
http://www.matrixprecisionparts.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=8 (http://www.matrixprecisionparts.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=8)
Any info on the finished models? I don't love a sig but it's interesting...
Zero info on the Sig's yet.
The finished 80% Glocks are running great. One guy is using his for 3 Gun matches and has had no failures he attributes to the frame. I believe that he built a 35 on the 17 frame with a weird frame spacer. It's hideous [laugh] I'll get some of the finished pics posted tonight. Ordered my frame kit today. Midway supposedly has them available now too.
This is the little private range that was built on this guys ranch. Nice outdoor cover for teaching, storage etc. Things went well, and I knocked my piece out of the park. (Was never in doubt) They learned a ton and got their bags smoked in the process. The last couple pics have nothing to do with gun stuff, but it's one of his properties. He has a full on race version of that car as well.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/8EB25955-0771-4EDD-A4F2-20EFB88609FA.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/8EB25955-0771-4EDD-A4F2-20EFB88609FA.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/57F17C9E-BECB-485D-A06E-5F716E1AA29E.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/57F17C9E-BECB-485D-A06E-5F716E1AA29E.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/6059B448-A299-46C1-B183-84C50C4DE92A.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/6059B448-A299-46C1-B183-84C50C4DE92A.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/DF9483EF-70D2-422D-B664-EA676B378FCC.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/DF9483EF-70D2-422D-B664-EA676B378FCC.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/D3ECF415-B8AB-4DDF-B8F5-84F0FBBA10BC.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/D3ECF415-B8AB-4DDF-B8F5-84F0FBBA10BC.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/E08F499A-75A9-4A16-91D9-1CA003718F90.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/E08F499A-75A9-4A16-91D9-1CA003718F90.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/8E03560A-879C-4B01-9840-B702D60FF1B4.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/8E03560A-879C-4B01-9840-B702D60FF1B4.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/B45DE5B4-B990-426D-9FCA-A1591E269AA3.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/B45DE5B4-B990-426D-9FCA-A1591E269AA3.jpg.html)
Quote from: kopfjäger on August 19, 2016, 04:27:22 PM
Things went well, and I knocked my piece out of the park. (Was never in doubt)
and the "other guy"???
Quote from: ducpainter on August 19, 2016, 06:36:19 PM
...with the other piece. ;)
While I taught yesterday, neither the Cag guy or the Squeal shot a single round. I guess after my first demo they thought better.
What compensator for my AR9? ???
http://www.spikestactical.com/spikes-tactical-car1-fake-can-p-42.html (http://www.spikestactical.com/spikes-tactical-car1-fake-can-p-42.html)
(http://www.spikestactical.com/images/prodimg/SAFC01E.jpg)
Probably use this shroud.
No need for the extra weight.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/71B5BAA9-2287-464A-B6D0-8B44AA0BC210.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/71B5BAA9-2287-464A-B6D0-8B44AA0BC210.jpg.html)
Frank shot a new vid. The ending is epic. ;)
https://youtu.be/DHz0E4PDhHU
Super smooth. [thumbsup]
Quote from: red baron on August 23, 2016, 06:49:48 PM
Super smooth. [thumbsup]
So' many teaching points. If I had you in the room, I could break that down in detail for ya. Textbook shit right there.
You'll get that chance one day. ;D
Free shipping at Freedom Munitions through the 5th.
Steel targets ordered.
Need work on my bill drill among other things....
Quote from: red baron on September 03, 2016, 06:21:04 PM
Need work on my bill drill among other things....
It's all about seeing' the gun (back,front,tgt) What you want to strive for (and it's a constant challenge) is to see' the gun cycle, see where the front sight post moves to on (or off) the tgt, and when (the split second) you get an acceptable' sight picture. Work it slow with a rhythm that sounds like you're shooting 6 shots at a single tgt. From that point, start seeing' faster, push your limits. You have' to see the gun (not the tgt). If you get ahead of the gun, you'll shoot behind. If you're behind the gun you'll shoot in front. It's all about seeing' faster.
Strong work' today, 500+. This is the largest bay at WOTG. I set it up as one big stage, that you could work in 3 separate stages and or tie it all together. Tons of work on seeing the gun, long shots, shooting and movivig multiples, mag changes on the move, or just some speed work. The first two pics show the bay, the next are in sequence of how you'd shoot it all tied together.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/6B3BF671-BCD3-4C2B-A05F-D3B173B34F28.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/6B3BF671-BCD3-4C2B-A05F-D3B173B34F28.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/EB129348-03D1-4C56-AF7A-60193CD888AB.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/EB129348-03D1-4C56-AF7A-60193CD888AB.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/40453254-3B4C-4AC6-871C-BC38003C2791.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/40453254-3B4C-4AC6-871C-BC38003C2791.jpg.html)
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(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/BCE57EB5-D66F-4849-AC58-F924973D5256.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/BCE57EB5-D66F-4849-AC58-F924973D5256.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/E5B555F2-D4DA-4A05-B57C-B644475BEA12.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/E5B555F2-D4DA-4A05-B57C-B644475BEA12.jpg.html)
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If I had a bucket list, I'd have an item marked
- Two+ days training course at range with kopf!
ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»
Freedoms shipping for free today.
DP, got myself a new to me CZ75 Omega! Will post pictures as soon as I take it out to the range, but wow, that trigger is super sweet!
Quote from: duccarlos on September 16, 2016, 11:45:22 AM
DP, got myself a new to me CZ75 Omega! Will post pictures as soon as I take it out to the range, but wow, that trigger is super sweet!
75 Omega, or a Tupperware pistol?
CZ75 Omega!
Solid work today. Round count was only 300, because I was working on a bunch of mag changes on the move and some 50yd shots. Set the range up for my class tomorrow.
Good class today. Everyone had been shooting for awhile, so I spent about 4hrs driving home fundamentals then finished up letting them work some steel.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/9C81E153-6891-4EC1-9499-684EC3D53076.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/9C81E153-6891-4EC1-9499-684EC3D53076.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/1409BFB2-46BB-4207-B884-6E427F76E58A.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/1409BFB2-46BB-4207-B884-6E427F76E58A.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/015E3FF6-0372-453D-B745-6B2CD8797FCE.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/015E3FF6-0372-453D-B745-6B2CD8797FCE.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/E7DA50D7-AF94-4C8F-9D50-F2EFEEE23ED7.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/E7DA50D7-AF94-4C8F-9D50-F2EFEEE23ED7.jpg.html)
Glockstore had a Grand Opening today, stopped by to see my Buddy Vic (RSO in vid) and test drive G34.
https://youtu.be/5NqTDBD4xHg
LMFAO
https://youtu.be/qU_-EEdTEFo
"Buffalo gals go round the outside, round the outside"
Oh man, if only every session was like today. Let me check, yep my nipples are still hard. Solid work.
Take what you can get, man.
Quote from: Monsterlover on September 19, 2016, 04:49:46 PM
Take what you can get, man.
Well, that's a make the beast with two backsing given. ;)
Queen - I Want It All (Official Video) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFDcoX7s6rE#)
:D
Helped Frank run a performance pistol class today. From sat to today, my round count is pushing 2k. I'm smoked.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/99B4C0B0-4D9C-429E-A9CC-2082FC2CB032.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/99B4C0B0-4D9C-429E-A9CC-2082FC2CB032.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/886EB87C-B2AB-4370-AB94-6F8AFE6B7E45.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/886EB87C-B2AB-4370-AB94-6F8AFE6B7E45.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/A8CBF8A6-B937-4B91-BD3E-D23FE88673B6.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/A8CBF8A6-B937-4B91-BD3E-D23FE88673B6.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/FE8BC983-8C96-49E1-9C73-CCD19E33F97D.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/FE8BC983-8C96-49E1-9C73-CCD19E33F97D.jpg.html)
looks like a good group, how'd they do?
nice photographer. ;D
Quote from: red baron on September 23, 2016, 07:35:10 PM
looks like a good group, how'd they do?
nice photographer. ;D
Pretty much the normal. Some in over their heads, others did well. It was Alamake the beast with two backsingbama hot today. That's the new girl Emily, she's taking care of all social media stuff. She's a motivated shooter, so I'm taking her under my wing.
Started a new training cycle today. The weather is trying' to break. I'll be training hard 3 days a week, M,W,F 500rds each session. Days will shift for weather. I'm pushing hard to reach yet another level, as well as work on different drills for teaching new shooters up through and over to Frank's classes. I'll be teaching twice a month as well, and I'm gonna really work hard on bringing Emily's skill set up to the' standard. 'Making brass, and smelling gun smoke'
ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»
Several drills today. One of my favorites, that folks don't do enough of. Mag changes, I did the 1-1-1 drill. One bullet in each mag, set it up over and over. I did 100rds of them, great drill.
Gen4 jailed today. [thumbsup]
Who had it?
I don't have a make the beast with two backsing clue what you're talking about.
Picked up one of the RTF2 Gen3 17s yesterday. Will have to see what I think of the gold beed front sight once I get it to the range.
Quote from: DRKWNG on September 30, 2016, 05:28:13 AM
Picked up one of the RTF2 Gen3 17s yesterday. Will have to see what I think of the gold beed front sight once I get it to the range.
Nice, how much did that run?
Quote from: kopfjäger on September 29, 2016, 08:18:25 PM
I don't have a make the beast with two backsing clue what you're talking about.
Kalifornistan has deemed Gen4 "unsafe" except to those "exempt"
Is that new or used?
Either way cool deal.
Quote from: red baron on September 30, 2016, 06:48:13 AM
Is that new or used?
Either way cool deal.
NIB. It's one of the new LAV guns.
Lots of drills as usual. Worked some 50yd shots on multiple targets. Movement on multiples, tgts in depth, etc etc. Round count was 450ish.
Quote from: DRKWNG on September 30, 2016, 05:28:13 AM
Picked up one of the RTF2 Gen3 17s yesterday. Will have to see what I think of the gold beed front sight once I get it to the range.
Nice. Mine is a truglo. Love it.
Quote from: red baron on October 01, 2016, 05:15:16 AM
LAV? Vickers?
Yeah. It's the only way to get new RTF2 Glocks.
Quote from: DRKWNG on September 30, 2016, 05:28:13 AM
Picked up one of the RTF2 Gen3 17s yesterday. Will have to see what I think of the gold beed front sight once I get it to the range.
ditch that sight for the Way of the Gun fibre sights!!
Solid work on these today. 500ish rds. The last two pics are worked from the barrel. The left side, even numbers, opposite on the right. A lot of work can be done in that bay.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/F8426BEC-4007-4560-9A16-36446BF076B4.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/F8426BEC-4007-4560-9A16-36446BF076B4.jpg.html)
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(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/7CCD020A-EF20-4105-9E69-CBF776B666BB.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/7CCD020A-EF20-4105-9E69-CBF776B666BB.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/50E6D1D9-5E92-45D9-A85F-CD80552B3953.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/50E6D1D9-5E92-45D9-A85F-CD80552B3953.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/CFC5EB90-3B12-4A9C-A86F-F7BFF62A7D19.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/CFC5EB90-3B12-4A9C-A86F-F7BFF62A7D19.jpg.html)
Where's Emily? ;D
Quote from: red baron on October 03, 2016, 04:52:51 PM
Where's Emily? ;D
:D Working social media stuff. She ain't getting paid to shoot, that'll be on the side.
Carbine course today. Many, many drills. Work from 10 out to 450 on steel. Pistol tomorrow and Friday.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/EF584CED-2BC1-4E9C-B796-B6EEC31C2A45.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/EF584CED-2BC1-4E9C-B796-B6EEC31C2A45.jpg.html)
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(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/9AC3CF25-4075-4791-82F0-3DD404B902E9.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/9AC3CF25-4075-4791-82F0-3DD404B902E9.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/E5B583CB-A816-481A-B2F8-EFD414D60E53.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/E5B583CB-A816-481A-B2F8-EFD414D60E53.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/ED7BDD4C-486E-4840-AB95-2314E245AA52.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/ED7BDD4C-486E-4840-AB95-2314E245AA52.jpg.html)
What's the big pouch Mr. Blackshirt Tanshorts has?
It's a 'dump pouch' easy, quick place to put empty mags etc. His was big enough for me to practice free throws :D In the first pic, the guy standing to his left has one on his kit, center of his belt that's not unfolded
Dump bag
That was what I thought, but nobody else had one.
Did he draw the short straw?
Quote from: Speeddog on October 05, 2016, 07:54:16 PM
That was what I thought, but nobody else had one.
Did he draw the short straw?
:D I see all kinds of crazy kit now that I'm out and working with different folks. Hey, if it works, rock on dog. You won't see one of any size on my range' kit.
I can see it being better than digging dirt and twigs out of the mag if you just drop it on the ground.
Seems like it'd be better to train putting the empty mag in an empty pocket in your kit.
Guys have been using them for awhile. The dump pouch was/is originally designed for collecting items on a target. Sometimes you don't have the luxury of an extra sec., to be make the beast with two backsing around with empty mags, and it's better than dropping it on the deck.
Looks like the weather has broke for ya kop.
Quote from: red baron on October 05, 2016, 09:27:25 PM
Looks like the weather has broke for ya kop.
It's trying. Humidity is down which is the killer here, but it was still 90 today. Matthew should bring some cooler weather when he hits the coast tomorrow.
Much pistol work today. I lost count of rounds, my best guess is 700ish. Guns got a tad warm.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/CB4FC2A5-5D39-411C-B360-BAD29C7650B7.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/CB4FC2A5-5D39-411C-B360-BAD29C7650B7.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/AB40D440-174B-41D8-A494-CAA2AF9876A6.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/AB40D440-174B-41D8-A494-CAA2AF9876A6.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/43363FCC-8E91-4BD0-85E5-242C578B3AC0.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/43363FCC-8E91-4BD0-85E5-242C578B3AC0.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/501768FA-28F0-4345-9D98-2F2DA0F7E224.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/501768FA-28F0-4345-9D98-2F2DA0F7E224.jpg.html)
Did a grip reduction and stiple job on my old G19.
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z53/b_upton/stippled%20G19_zpsggdcdetz.jpg)
Sweet [thumbsup]
And here's the RTF2 17 that I picked up last week.
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z53/b_upton/LAV17_zpsydjwhx6e.jpg)
Long day today. Much brass was made.
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(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/CD1988E9-7F93-4ECA-8536-7AB9C0DD6F42.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/CD1988E9-7F93-4ECA-8536-7AB9C0DD6F42.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/C2E9134E-48F6-42FD-A24A-305B5ED9E6EA.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/C2E9134E-48F6-42FD-A24A-305B5ED9E6EA.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/783AAA43-0932-479C-ADB0-80C8C4581B9C.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/783AAA43-0932-479C-ADB0-80C8C4581B9C.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/2223DBA1-8C4A-47D0-A706-A78D4E501317.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/2223DBA1-8C4A-47D0-A706-A78D4E501317.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/061EA461-5172-4F93-A882-2CE152B84E52.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/061EA461-5172-4F93-A882-2CE152B84E52.jpg.html)
New sights enroute for the Gen4.
Would love to see how the 19 feels, looks awesome, congrats.
Quote from: red baron on October 07, 2016, 06:02:26 PM
New sights enroute for the Gen4.
Would love to see how the 19 feels, looks awesome, congrats.
Good deal.
Grip work on my new 19. I had him cut down the section in front of the takedown levers, and give me a spot for my thumb to ride on.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/391E12D7-958B-4734-88DA-32F780EE6526.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/391E12D7-958B-4734-88DA-32F780EE6526.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/71A23476-F515-4576-B335-62DD515ECE65.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/71A23476-F515-4576-B335-62DD515ECE65.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/74ED4416-AB45-4648-9864-8B271A8F4EA7.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/74ED4416-AB45-4648-9864-8B271A8F4EA7.jpg.html)
Mr. Tan shorts/ Black T-shirt with surf pic shoots pistola righty and carabina lefty?
Quote from: Speeddog on October 07, 2016, 08:39:58 PM
Mr. Tan shorts/ Black T-shirt with surf pic shoots pistola righty and carabina lefty?
Righty. left eye dominant.
Quote from: Speeddog on October 07, 2016, 08:39:58 PM
Mr. Tan shorts/ Black T-shirt with surf pic shoots pistola righty and carabina lefty?
Yep. I've delt with it many times over the years. Not a big deal really, but it's wacky. :D
Thought you maybe had folks shooting opposite side to train for when cover wasn't conducive to shooting from natural side.
Quote from: red baron on October 07, 2016, 08:49:16 PM
Righty. left eye dominant.
I'm the same way. Made a decision to train myself to use the right eye for shooting long guns as well a few years ago.
no fish gills??
Quote from: DRKWNG on October 07, 2016, 09:27:58 AM
And here's the RTF2 17 that I picked up last week.
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z53/b_upton/LAV17_zpsydjwhx6e.jpg)
(http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=534472&d=1472775952)
(http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=534473&d=1472775982)
(http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=534475&d=1472776015)
Hey Kop, think your guy could fix this abortion?
I'm not seeing anything?
Quote from: kopfjäger on October 09, 2016, 07:59:57 PM
I'm not seeing anything?
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1238534 (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1238534)
Nothing there either.
Hit the wall pretty hard on Friday at around 1400. Had been at it most of the week, so I had to pack it up. Didn't even look at a gun over the weekend (well, I peeked at it). Good strong session today, 400ish.
Gen4 is outta jail. [thumbsup]
[thumbsup]
Picked this up on the way home today.
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z53/b_upton/49801131440__D2B378F0-4815-4C06-A0D7-C5D84C93FA1B_zpsvqptliga.jpg)
Oh yeah, got another RTF2 Glock as well.
:D
Caliber?
Fish gills this time?
The CZ is a 9mm. Started the paperwork to convert to SBR, and purchase a can, all but two inches of which will then fit within the fore end.
And no, no fish gills on this one either.
[drool]
Good work today. Slowed things down to start the session. "Aim small, miss small" I felt pretty dialed in, so it wasn't long before I aired it out a bit. Ran 200rds of 115 then 200 of 124. First time running it through 'Big Juicy'. Ran like a Rolex. Heading up to Chattanooga tomorrow to get put on video for that training gig I mentioned before. We'll see how she goes.
What is "Big Juicy"
https://youtu.be/7uxI_u7n7Kg
Breaking in the Gen4
How you like it?
I like the grip, the mag release is much easier for me, but this G34 is like driving around a truck. As of now I prefer the G19.
I do however like the .100 square notch better than the "Y"
Quote from: red baron on October 13, 2016, 10:17:47 PM
https://youtu.be/7uxI_u7n7Kg
Breaking in the Gen4
Looks like a lotta fun! ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»
Quote from: red baron on October 14, 2016, 06:29:07 AM
I like the grip, the mag release is much easier for me, but this G34 is like driving around a truck. As of now I prefer the G19.
I do however like the .100 square notch better than the "Y"
Now that kopf has you brainwashed for Blocks...
I'll give you a hundred bucks for your CZ. ;D ;D
Quote from: ducpainter on October 15, 2016, 12:52:54 PM
Now that kopf has you brainwashed for Blocks...
I'll give you a hundred bucks for your CZ. ;D ;D
I've slowly converted everything to run on Glock mags, now that the carbine is near complete. I will have some things to sell.
Actually he's never once said anything about the Glock. However there have been many a conversation about my poor form and skill set. ;D
Yeah, don't make the beast with two backsing get me started. :-\
Quote from: kopfjäger on October 15, 2016, 05:01:11 PM
Yeah, don't make the beast with two backsing get me started. :-\
I want to wind you up like a ten cent toy. :-* [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Quote from: ducpainter on October 15, 2016, 06:15:20 PM
I want to wind you up like a ten cent toy. :-* [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
I'd just get stuck in the corner. :D
It happens. ;)
Ok. Back from Chattanooga, had a film crew all day. The company wanted me to get videoed teaching my fundamentals class, as well as my deliberate load sequence so clients will have access to it prior to a course. After that me and one of my boys shot drill after drill. Camera guys getting multiple angles etc. "Can you do that last part again" "Could you step to your left a little" "Sorry I missed that" etc. Overall it went well. I'll have the call on final cuts.
Took the new CZ along on a camping trip in the western New Mexico mountains. DAMN this thing is fun to shoot, and that's with its shitty stock trigger. Can't wait to get that fixed and get the can on it. Probably going to have to start rolling my own 9mm again...
I'm tired Sarge, got a bone in my leg'. Sort of a free range session, 400ish. I ran 2 of 124 then 2 of 147.
400-500 rounds down range tonight.
Only about twelve rounds from the sidearm.
That damn desert wind was kicking my ass.
Shooting steel silouhette out to 500 meters. Of 100 plus rounds on the ram I think I hit it twice. :P
Fun shoot nonetheless.
[evil]
Quote from: kopfjäger on October 17, 2016, 08:40:10 PM
[evil]
Maybe I should have clarified it was with. .22lr rifle with a 16" barrel. :P
Quote from: red baron on October 18, 2016, 07:39:16 AM
Maybe I should have clarified it was with. .22lr rifle with a 16" barrel. :P
You usually' post in code for some reason. :D
Did about 5hrs of 1:1 training today for one of the local sheriffs. Solid day of work. Teaching a little corporate class tomorrow. Kind of a team building event for them. 7 shooters, should be interesting.
Whats their background?
Newbies?
Quote from: red baron on October 20, 2016, 05:56:51 AM
Whats their background?
Newbies?
They were from a small company here in Al. Pretty much new shooters. One guy had only touched a pistol one time before.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/5D598435-BDA0-4A1D-B54C-FD39654C673F.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/5D598435-BDA0-4A1D-B54C-FD39654C673F.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/88131548-D7C6-4147-987F-96B52F1E2C01.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/88131548-D7C6-4147-987F-96B52F1E2C01.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/7E9E1E8E-0CE8-40CE-85B9-460E0D304448.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/7E9E1E8E-0CE8-40CE-85B9-460E0D304448.jpg.html)
Looong day today. Taught at class from 9-3ish. The dude in the black hat flew over from Thailand. Then some NASCAR guys showed up (Dega baby), and we shot till 2100. Lost count of the rounds for this week. My bags are smoked.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/0D969063-0E83-4898-BCA3-EB63FACE4381.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/0D969063-0E83-4898-BCA3-EB63FACE4381.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/54DABCFD-5117-41A3-8FC1-BCD30A75041D.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/54DABCFD-5117-41A3-8FC1-BCD30A75041D.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/6D20F702-835E-49E0-8434-0874B5CDBA37.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/6D20F702-835E-49E0-8434-0874B5CDBA37.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/18F9DCBE-C7FB-4FAF-9FB4-99D9EB651893.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/18F9DCBE-C7FB-4FAF-9FB4-99D9EB651893.jpg.html)
What is Glocks of Alabama?
Time for some new glass for the AR.
Anyone have/use the Leopold 1-8?
Quote from: red baron on October 24, 2016, 06:59:08 AM
Time for some new glass for the AR.
Anyone have/use the Leopold 1-8?
Which 'Leupold' are you looking at? Mark 8 CQBSS?
The dude from Thailand is still in town, so I took him to the range for a bunch' of AR work.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/ADA59CBC-82D3-4A03-ACCD-CCB49A0CAF54.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/ADA59CBC-82D3-4A03-ACCD-CCB49A0CAF54.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/288D7E6B-258F-46CB-92BE-6EFB7216B118.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/288D7E6B-258F-46CB-92BE-6EFB7216B118.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/DD6BEA40-CC42-4A97-B197-919E1B3246CA.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/DD6BEA40-CC42-4A97-B197-919E1B3246CA.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/EC1976BA-F9BC-4E60-AF69-1B329B614F08.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/EC1976BA-F9BC-4E60-AF69-1B329B614F08.jpg.html)
Finally' got the cuts done on the new 19 slide. ;)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/07F41273-AB40-4DBB-A24C-3FF340B28565.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/07F41273-AB40-4DBB-A24C-3FF340B28565.jpg.html)
Started the great wait yesterday...
Quote from: DRKWNG on October 26, 2016, 05:46:05 PM
Started the great wait yesterday...
Is it at the shop?
How the hell is it possible I shoot the G19 better at 50 yards than the G34? :P
Must be the elbows. ;D
Quote from: ducpainter on October 26, 2016, 05:50:57 PM
Can?
Yes, and SBR for the new CZ.
Quote from: kopfjäger on October 26, 2016, 05:50:25 PM
Is it at the shop?
As if I'd tell you. You'd likely find a way to machine a dildo onto the slide.
[laugh] [laugh] It's on now
Quote from: kopfjäger on October 26, 2016, 07:17:55 PM
[laugh] [laugh] It's on now
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
[popcorn]
https://youtu.be/uqe2A76XLoI
Little bit o shooting tonight.
Lawyers, Guns & Money on the range today. Pistol and AR.
https://youtu.be/rKXj3-R80nM
I gotta get past this locked elbow thing. ;D
That, and about 10 other things.
Quote from: red baron on October 30, 2016, 10:58:26 AM
If you're counting. ;D
You can continue to be as make the beast with two backsed up as a baseball bat, or un-make the beast with two backs it. ;)
Trust me, when time and life permit I will make a trip to AL. [thumbsup]
Quote from: red baron on October 30, 2016, 11:21:19 AM
Trust me, when time and life permit I will make a trip to AL. [thumbsup]
Frank's been to Kalifornication twice since we started this discussion.
Quote from: kopfjäger on October 30, 2016, 11:26:18 AM
Frank's been to Kalifornication twice since we started this discussion.
Well, there's that. :P
Quote from: red baron on October 30, 2016, 10:47:44 AM
https://youtu.be/rKXj3-R80nM
I gotta get past this locked elbow thing. ;D
It's those skinny jeans that are holding you back.
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Quote from: DRKWNG on October 30, 2016, 07:18:20 PM
It's those skinny jeans that are holding you back.
>:(
[clap] [clap] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [clap] [clap]
Just what kop needed, more fuel. ;D
I usually refrain from clothing comments till at least the second hour. Then well, you'll here things like this.
"Nice make the beast with two backsing shirt"
"Who the make the beast with two backs makes those' pants?"
"Nice hat"
"Where'd you get those 'catch me make the beast with two backs me' shoes?"
...and a slew of others.
But are they tactical skinny jeans?
New shooting clothing line out now, 5.11 tactical skinny jeans.
Only $49.95 😉
Everything put back together after the nitride coating. Grip work, slide mods, ZEV match barrel, full ZEV trigger group, Vickers slide release, Agency Arms magwell, WOTG sights. It came out great.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/C7EF1F43-E8CA-4715-9FC6-7E82611C51FC.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/C7EF1F43-E8CA-4715-9FC6-7E82611C51FC.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/97881FB3-34EA-4789-8185-0B330EAEAAAB.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/97881FB3-34EA-4789-8185-0B330EAEAAAB.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/4BAA555C-934B-4701-B0ED-FE735B763F52.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/4BAA555C-934B-4701-B0ED-FE735B763F52.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/D2150EAA-B9EC-4D8F-9798-9FDE2095B6E0_1.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/D2150EAA-B9EC-4D8F-9798-9FDE2095B6E0_1.jpg.html)
AWESOME!!!
well you just gone and ruint the resale value.. lol
:D
How's it handle?
Quote from: Monsterlover on November 11, 2016, 09:11:44 PM
How's it handle?
Haven't put it through it's paces yet. It'll be pretty much the same as my other 19 that has similar mods.
https://youtu.be/phwDMrau_7Y
Awesome vid, amazing how much deflection the barrel has after the round exits. [thumbsup]
Yeah, wasn't expecting that.
Free-floating barrel.
That zip tie is teaching me more than I expected. [thumbsup]
Quote from: red baron on November 14, 2016, 05:10:12 PM
That zip tie is teaching me more than I expected. [thumbsup]
I wouldn't lie to ya. ;) That's about a $500 training tip. :D
pretty slick video. i would not want to use a cutaway AR.. lol
ok need your input. Mosin 7.62x54. Already have rail done so now I need a scope.......go (no 1k scopes please)
Quote from: muskrat on November 16, 2016, 04:36:48 PM
ok need your input. Mosin 7.62x54. Already have rail done so now I need a scope.......go (no 1k scopes please)
Sell it and buy a Swede. ;D
I hated a Mosin once. :P
Quote from: muskrat on November 16, 2016, 04:36:48 PM
ok need your input. Mosin 7.62x54. Already have rail done so now I need a scope.......go (no 1k scopes please)
How far out do you want to go?
500, 600, 1000?
Quote from: muskrat on November 16, 2016, 04:36:48 PM
ok need your input. Mosin 7.62x54. Already have rail done so now I need a scope.......go (no 1k scopes please)
These guys carry most everything.
http://www.opticsplanet.com/riflescopes.html
600 yards to 1,000
I've got one of these and find it works well.
https://www.amazon.com/Vortex-Crossfire-4-16x50mm-Riflescope-Dead-Hold/dp/B00HYRGSLC/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1479392454&sr=8-2&keywords=vortex+4-16
Quote from: red baron on November 17, 2016, 06:22:12 AM
I've got one of these and find it works well.
https://www.amazon.com/Vortex-Crossfire-4-16x50mm-Riflescope-Dead-Hold/dp/B00HYRGSLC/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1479392454&sr=8-2&keywords=vortex+4-16
Does it have lens covers? i don't see them on amazon. Thanks
$2500, should I buy it?
(http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=552969&d=1478548074)
Quote from: muskrat on November 16, 2016, 04:36:48 PM
ok need your input. Mosin 7.62x54. Already have rail done so now I need a scope.......go (no 1k scopes please)
Which Mosin?
M44- buy a $20 BSA
Russian M39- buy a $100 leatherwood
Finn M39 - get something decent. You will have good accuracy to 300m with commercial ammo. I've seen Nikon 2-9x40 scopes going for $200 on SPG
Have you checked the headspace? A lot of those later M44s are as loose as a Tijuana Outcall Girl.
Quote from: muskrat on November 16, 2016, 09:35:33 PM
600 yards to 1,000
Unless that's a good condition Finn mosin or you've done some work on the barrel and bolt, you are on drugs boy.
https://youtu.be/UlW8gKQKTIU
https://youtu.be/63CrNAuAWXk
This month I will be working on the reloads as prescribed.
Trigger press exercise has helped with follow-up shots.
Somebody watched Braveheart too many times. (Which was portrayed incorrectly actually)
All tactical photographers sport that gear now. [thumbsup]
Big' Gun Stuff [evil]
https://youtu.be/Tsql5Wv0TiE
Selling my single stack STI.
http://www.wayofthegun.us/custom-sti-trojan-9mm/
Quote from: red baron on November 27, 2016, 10:19:43 AM
This month I will be working on the reloads as prescribed.
Working on my reloading as well... ;D
Needed some more .30-06 for the Garand...
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b500/RustyRooter/IMG_5684_zpswzdeo8jk.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/RustyRooter/media/IMG_5684_zpswzdeo8jk.jpg.html)
Looking good Charlie.
I got 10,000 9mm that have been de-primed and half tumbled. I need to get to work.
Quote from: red baron on November 29, 2016, 07:29:40 AM
Looking good Charlie.
I got 10,000 9mm that have been de-primed and half tumbled. I need to get to work.
I've got about 15K 5.56mm that needs resized and swaged... but for $350/1K for factory, I have a hard time justifying the time. Same with 9mm... I hate reloading 9mm/.380.
Quote from: kopfjäger on November 28, 2016, 07:16:28 PM
Big' Gun Stuff [evil]
https://youtu.be/Tsql5Wv0TiE
I have never wanted or been interested in a cannon.
Until now.
OMG
Quote from: ducatiz on November 29, 2016, 08:54:04 AM
I have never wanted or been interested in a cannon.
Until now.
OMG
6lb ball fired at around 1,400ft/s out to 1,500yds.
Quote from: kopfjäger on November 29, 2016, 09:07:52 AM
6lb ball fired at around 1,400ft/s out to 1,500yds.
(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/b1/b168b1fcb46e1ea431821ee9b1337e0dded6cb9e097e9cb9b404916e69842ce8.jpg)
:D
Imagine a bunch of cannons shooting 'grapeshot' at you.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/E755F99C-3FE2-4A58-995D-19C6894E301D.jpeg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/E755F99C-3FE2-4A58-995D-19C6894E301D.jpeg.html)
Quote from: ducatiz on November 21, 2016, 12:21:22 PM
Unless that's a good condition Finn mosin or you've done some work on the barrel and bolt, you are on drugs boy.
well I'll let a picture do the talking and finally decided on the scope seen here too which is a Nikon Prostaff 3-9x50 BDC. And yes Sir Ducatiz work has been done. I'm not crazy but stupid has crossed my mind a time or two. Professional gun smith who I trust with all my guns did the rail, took off rear sights, tested the barrel and she has had, by me, more than 250 rounds now.
(http://i433.photobucket.com/albums/qq53/montey2005/4E92D76C-079B-41B8-A724-771B1DA8C3D5_zpswo3wijtr.jpg)
(http://i433.photobucket.com/albums/qq53/montey2005/DC38FBB5-6BAD-4998-8DF8-8501DB1DFB93_zps67ygjjfo.jpg)
Got any targets? ;D
this weekend I will. [evil]
Quote from: kopfjäger on November 29, 2016, 09:07:52 AM
6lb ball fired at around 1,400ft/s out to 1,500yds.
And the odds of hitting, say, the Queen Mary at that range with that cannon?
Quote from: Speeddog on November 29, 2016, 08:39:00 PM
And the odds of hitting, say, the Queen Mary at that range with that cannon?
It would be a long shot.
Quote from: Speeddog on November 29, 2016, 08:59:15 PM
So to speak! [laugh]
565yds at a car.
https://youtu.be/ytOWmfupUt8
1,000yd shots in competition.
https://youtu.be/baSiPBDIzyI
Quote from: kopfjäger on November 29, 2016, 09:01:36 PM
565yds at a car.
WTF kind of rounds were they firing?
A round hits a bit wide of the car, then the car lights up?
Quote from: Speeddog on November 29, 2016, 09:21:17 PM
WTF kind of rounds were they firing?
A round hits a bit wide of the car, then the car lights up?
C'mon man. :D They shot a ball or two, but had the cars rigged with demo to blow. You can see the accuracy though when he drills the car on the second shot.
Quote from: kopfjäger on November 29, 2016, 09:46:11 PM
C'mon man. :D They shot a ball or two, but had the cars rigged with demo to blow. You can see the accuracy though when he drills the car on the second shot.
OK, that's what I was thinking, some sort of chicanery.
Impressive accuracy!
Quote from: Speeddog on November 29, 2016, 09:21:17 PM
WTF kind of rounds were they firing?
A round hits a bit wide of the car, then the car lights up?
Hey, I saw it in the movies... it has to be true!
Quote from: kopfjäger on November 29, 2016, 09:27:52 AM
Imagine a bunch of cannons shooting 'grapeshot' at you.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/E755F99C-3FE2-4A58-995D-19C6894E301D.jpeg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/E755F99C-3FE2-4A58-995D-19C6894E301D.jpeg.html)
i came buckets
Canister Shot was evil as well. Smaller shot than Grapeshot, came out of the cannon like shotgun ammo. Good out to 400.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/E0B4653B-A8CF-4A15-9BEB-FDC08D5C032C.jpeg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/E0B4653B-A8CF-4A15-9BEB-FDC08D5C032C.jpeg.html)
Quote from: kopfjäger on November 30, 2016, 11:58:19 AM
Canister Shot was evil as well. Smaller shot than Grapeshot, came out of the cannon like shotgun ammo. Good out to 400.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/E0B4653B-A8CF-4A15-9BEB-FDC08D5C032C.jpeg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/E0B4653B-A8CF-4A15-9BEB-FDC08D5C032C.jpeg.html)
i like the bolt thrown in there for good measure...
"AND THAT'S FOR YE LIVER!"
Finally got the new AR together. Waiting for the Nightforce glass.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/078C9349-C285-441C-B479-7ED5FA0D1DC5.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/078C9349-C285-441C-B479-7ED5FA0D1DC5.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/7DF88C49-F588-4849-A6F3-F5231EA79331.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/7DF88C49-F588-4849-A6F3-F5231EA79331.jpg.html)
Where you going for weight reduction specifically?
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 05, 2016, 05:26:32 PM
Where you going for weight reduction specifically?
Not really.
Polymer lower?
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 05, 2016, 06:41:42 PM
Yup
I wondered. I stripped my RRA carbine down to nothing and could barely get it under 6#...
...and this is with a lightweight 16" barrel that gets beast with two backsing hot after 2 mags...
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b500/RustyRooter/IMG_5686_zps9oiquyds.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/RustyRooter/media/IMG_5686_zps9oiquyds.jpg.html)
That's about normal. Plus with optics, flashlight, full mag etc., they get heavy.
Quote from: Charlie98 on December 06, 2016, 08:31:03 AM
...and this is with a lightweight 16" barrel that gets beast with two backsing hot after 2 mags...
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b500/RustyRooter/IMG_5686_zps9oiquyds.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/RustyRooter/media/IMG_5686_zps9oiquyds.jpg.html)
Not enough black to maintain evil status. [evil]
Quote from: red baron on December 06, 2016, 06:50:32 PM
Not enough black to maintain evil status. [evil]
Well, it doesn't have a bayonet lug, so I'll never reach that pinnacle.... I'll have to apply for a waiver
QuotePlus with optics, flashlight, full mag etc., they get heavy.
Full mag, yes. All that other mall ninja crap? No. (I'm not an Operator, and I don't play one on TV.) ;D
You want' a small white light on it. They weigh next to nothing.
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 07, 2016, 06:41:49 AM
You want' a small white light on it. They weigh next to nothing.
Any recommendations? I'd need a pressure switch, not a thumb switch. I won't tell you why.
Quote from: Charlie98 on December 07, 2016, 07:09:15 AM
Any recommendations? I'd need a pressure switch, not a thumb switch. I won't tell you why.
I'm heading to the range. I'll find a good setup for ya later today.
Quote from: Charlie98 on December 07, 2016, 07:09:15 AM
Any recommendations? I'd need a pressure switch, not a thumb switch. I won't tell you why.
Talked with several of the boys today. (None of us' use them any longer because they fail under heavy use) You most likely won't beat on it hard as we do. (?) So I'd go with Surefire or Streamlight. The later being the easiest on your pocket.
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 07, 2016, 02:34:59 PM
Talked with several of the boys today. (None of us' use them any longer because they fail under heavy use) You most likely won't beat on it hard as we do. (?) So I'd go with Surefire or Streamlight. The later being the easiest on your pocket.
Not worried about pocket change, I want to know what works. What don't they use any longer... pressure switches? I just can't use a thumb switch is all... I'd love to see what they are using....
Quote from: Charlie98 on December 07, 2016, 08:26:42 PM
Not worried about pocket change, I want to know what works. What don't they use any longer... pressure switches? I just can't use a thumb switch is all... I'd love to see what they are using....
I'd say either one will work. (Not sure how long) We used them for years, but they were always acting up. Possibility those issues are fixed. (I doubt it) I/We have been running this or similar setup.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/8B654874-5A3C-4F1A-B23A-D115037B903E.jpeg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/8B654874-5A3C-4F1A-B23A-D115037B903E.jpeg.html)
https://youtu.be/JNB7khjOSXc
https://youtu.be/UVOcfx86j7o
Awesome night at USPSA match. Some of these things are coming together for me.
I love the G19.
[thumbsup]
Today the G19 persevered again, pulling me to a top 5 finish in six stages of IDPA. [thumbsup]
I thought for sure the swinging no0shoot was gonna get me, but top was in my head saying I should hear the shot cadence being equal and it worked out well for me.
Not sure why the stage setup had headshot setup at +15 yards, but managed to clean that stage. Now to get that G34 in shape and trigger solved or it's back to the CZ.
Prepping brass, de-priming and cleaning.
I've got two weeks off and need to get some training in, gotta have rounds ready. ;D
And managed to "fix" my G34 by swapping the Gen4 trigger bar for a Gen3, much cleaner break and no jumping when the striker fires. Looks like the G34 will be sticking around. ;D
Yeah, my peashooter 10/22 is back in action, Bushnell shipped me a new scope to replace the dropped reticle.
Now to sight it back in, to make the silhouette match.
Gun-toting masked man threatens to kill people in store â€" but armed customer quickly turns the tables
http://www.theblaze.com/news/2016/12/20/gun-toting-masked-man-threatens-to-kill-people-in-store-but-armed-customer-quickly-turns-the-tables/
A man donned in black from head to toe and wearing a face mask entered a Chevron store in Heflin, Alabama, late Thursday night, pulled a gun and demanded money from the clerk, WBRC-TV reported.
“A customer was in there about to exit,†Heflin Police Chief A.J. Benefield told the station. “He pushed the customer back in there and told him, 'Don't leave. Stay where you're at, or I'll kill you guys.'â€
But the unnamed customer wasn't about to let that happen.
Turns out he had a gun of his own and started firing at the masked man.
Benefield said the customer fired two shots at the suspect who took off running for his vehicle. But once behind the wheel, the masked man floored it toward the armed customer â€" who fired off two more rounds, police said.
The suspect â€" described as black, 5 feet 7 inches tall and 160 pounds â€" was seen heading east on Interstate 20 toward Atlanta, WRBC said.
It's unclear if the masked man was hit by the customer's gunfire, but police were checking local hospitals, the station reported.
However, WRBC noted the suspect's car â€" a dark-colored four-door â€" should have a couple of bullet holes in the side.
Quote from: red baron on December 20, 2016, 06:23:19 PM
The suspect â€" described as black, 5 feet 7 inches tall and 160 pounds â€" was seen heading east on Interstate 20 toward Atlanta, WRBC said.
Uh oh... they are racial profiling... [roll]
Range day, nobody there. ;D
Mag changes and presentation. I should have stayed a bit longer but it got so damn windy the targets kept blowing over. I'm seeing the benefit, i need more magazines (16 is not enough) when having 1 round each. I mounted the targets out at 20 yards and then shot some 12" squares (steel) at 50 yards.
Getting the Gen4 trigger swapped out with Gen3 parts helped at lot on accuracy.
(http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=567977&d=1482368993)
"Get some baby, get some"
Good range work today. Got Frank out of the shop for some one on one time. I rarely get him on the range unless I'm helping with a class. It's always good to shoot with someone who's skill level you'll never' reach. We burned through 600+ each.
I feel this dudes pain. :D It's an art to being smooth on the podium, either in front of a bunch of folks (some who already know it all) or a camera. Depending on the audience you can't 'mother make the beast with two backs' 'cock sucker' 'make the beast with two backs me' etc.
https://youtu.be/TRjEzVsmEkw
[laugh] [clap] Poor bastard. Camera guy pissing himself laughing was bloody funny. I reckon Muttley was holding the camera.
Quote from: koko64 on December 22, 2016, 04:14:32 PM
[laugh] [clap] Poor bastard. Camera guy pissing himself laughing was bloody funny. I reckon Muttley was holding the camera.
I love to teach, I can do it in my sleep. I've groomed several guys to teach over the years. Folks think it's easy, but it ain't. You gotta be on your game big time when you're teaching SF dudes. One little make the beast with two backs up and you've lost them.
It certainly is easier said than done, even more so when you have to "be careful" with an audience. I understand his pain, I was a professional public speaker in a past life, couldn't do it now because I cuss too much and don't give enough of a shit what people think. Restricted audiences only.
:D
I've had to teach a lot over the years using interpreters. It adds a whole other element, especially since they' aren't in my line of work, so they don't really understand what I'm talking about, and a lot of the lingo doesn't have a direct translation. I enjoyed the challenge. Just like Evan said at the end of that vid, without cussing "you're taking away all my skills." :D
Yep, certainly easier to flow "unfiltered" ;D.
That would have been very challenging for you and the interpreter finding words that fit.
Quote from: koko64 on December 22, 2016, 04:56:20 PM
Yep, certainly easier to flow "unfiltered" ;D.
That would have been very challenging for you and the interpreter finding words that fit.
Kop unfiltered is hilarious, no matter how it's translated. ;D
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] Wait till you get to hear it in person, with all the physical comedy thrown in for good measure. :D
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 22, 2016, 07:43:48 PM
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] Wait till you get to hear it in person, with all the physical comedy thrown in for good measure. :D
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 22, 2016, 07:43:48 PM
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] Wait till you get to hear it in person, with all the physical comedy thrown in for good measure. :D
;D
Quote from: koko64 on December 22, 2016, 07:49:39 PM
;D
This from the guy 10,000 miles away on a gun free continent.
;D ;D
We got guns ;D
Quote from: koko64 on December 23, 2016, 12:11:39 AM
We got guns ;D
We sure do! Just no AR or semi auto for a standard license. Heck they just limited a lever action shotty to 5 shots. Bastards!
Pistols are a lot harder to get.
But yeah, we got guns, just not the type that do much to repel anyone stupid enough to cross the vast ocean to get to us! Lol!
Quote from: GK on December 24, 2016, 02:33:59 AM
We sure do! Just no AR or semi auto for a standard license. Heck they just limited a lever action shotty to 5 shots. Bastards!
Pistols are a lot harder to get.
But yeah, we got guns, just not the type that do much to repel anyone stupid enough to cross the vast ocean to get to us! Lol!
Are you caliber limited?
Not that I know, however no one that I know really shoots a pistol over .45. Maybe collectors. 10 shot max.
Most guys at my club shoot 9mm. My buddy's club has a few who shoot .45 regularly.
For long arms, I don't believe there is a limit on calibre, but there are also magazine restrictions.
I've only been back into shooting for a few years after a layoff of just over 20 years, so don't take my word as gospel.
Let's move the conversation back to guns, and away from the laws regarding them.
Thanks.
Fair enough! ðŸ'ðŸ»
Quote from: ducpainter on December 24, 2016, 11:21:26 AM
Let's move the conversation back to guns, and away from the laws regarding them.
Thanks.
Aww relax.
Where I was going was, a .50cal lever action packs quite the punch.
Quote from: red baron on December 24, 2016, 12:56:20 PMAww relax.
Where I was going was, a .50cal lever action packs quite the punch.
I'm sure it does! ðŸ'🻠Who makes it?
I shot something at the range a while back, bolt action, not .50 cal but way larger than .303 or such. .400 or such. That gave a right royal kick. I can only imagine what a .50 cal would do.
I don't know who makes one.
I have gotten to shoot a Barrett chambered in .416 (since they outlawed .50 here). Pretty awesome to reach out and touch something. Tremendous amount of energy downrange. [thumbsup]
Quote from: red baron on December 24, 2016, 03:32:50 PM
I don't know who makes one.
I have gotten to shoot a Barrett chambered in .416 (since they outlawed .50 here). Pretty awesome to reach out and touch something. Tremendous amount of energy downrange. [thumbsup]
I'm relaxed.
I asked really nice to stop with the gun law shit, and you just had to stick in a little thing about gun law.
Thanks for that Steve. I appreciate your continued support.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/32C96C87-8CF3-4509-B833-362FBF3E8B65.jpeg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/32C96C87-8CF3-4509-B833-362FBF3E8B65.jpeg.html)
Gotta luv the wrapping paper. [clap]
I wish my parents bought me stuff like that when I was a kid! ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»
Hmmm...
(https://www.gunsamerica.com/userimages/5133/961356999/wm_9403763.jpg)
https://www.gunsamerica.com/961356999/Smith-Wesson-M-P10-AR-10-Semi-Auto-308-Wi.htm
Do it up Bick.
Then budget for some NightForce glass. [thumbsup]
Indeed.
My brother has a tricked out DPMS in .308 Win - it's a hoot. :)
Worked this setup for a minute today. Start from the back cone, draw and moving to the left cone, 2 shots per. Turn right between the barrels moving towards the cone on the right, engage the square plate 2 shots on the way. The next set of barrels obstruct your view, but as you get closer the next 3 come into view from r-l, 2 shots each. Reaching that cone you can transition to the round plate, single shot. I did 200rds worth.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/D890DF63-CE4A-4A5A-9E29-0317DA7423AA.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/D890DF63-CE4A-4A5A-9E29-0317DA7423AA.jpg.html)
[thumbsup] [thumbsup]
ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»
[bang] [bang] [bang] [bang]
[laugh]
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 27, 2016, 02:15:05 PM
[laugh]
I don't find it amusing.
Why don't people want to take my $$$???!!!!
Quote from: Bick on December 27, 2016, 02:19:21 PM
I don't find it amusing.
Why don't people want to take my $$$???!!!!
I'll take it.
Need my addy?
Quote from: ducpainter on December 27, 2016, 02:32:35 PM
I'll take it.
Need my addy?
You have what I am giving up money for?
Gunbroker & Guns America have a bunch of them.
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 27, 2016, 02:44:39 PM
Gunbroker & Guns America have a bunch of them.
I've talked to several dealers on G/A. All have the issue I told you about this morning. [bang]
Sending you a pm for your opinion.
Quote from: Bick on December 27, 2016, 02:34:23 PM
You have what I am giving up money for?
You didn't specify...
you want something? ;D
Quote from: ducpainter on December 27, 2016, 02:54:05 PM
You didn't specify...
you want something? ;D
Money for nothing and my chicks for free. ;)
Quote from: Bick on December 27, 2016, 04:11:47 PM
Money for nothing and my chicks for free. ;)
Been a while... ;D
Quote from: Bick on December 27, 2016, 02:34:23 PM
You have what I am giving up money for?
Offer more money. ;D
6.5 Creedmoor build begins [evil] Stiller Predator action, Shilen barrel, and an Accuracy International AX chassis.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/Stuff/n-Mwq3P/i-QHLm7rZ/0/M/i-QHLm7rZ-M.jpg)
Quote from: Bick on December 27, 2016, 02:19:21 PM
I don't find it amusing.
Why don't people want to take my $$$???!!!!
http://www.quanticotactical.com/asp/itemDetail.asp?dispItemNum=2861&type=C&subCatNum=30&CMN=Rifles
Quote from: DRKWNG on December 28, 2016, 01:50:30 AM
http://www.quanticotactical.com/asp/itemDetail.asp?dispItemNum=2861&type=C&subCatNum=30&CMN=Rifles
Thanks. I will talk to them and see if they will work with me on the 20 round mag issue.
It was awesome when Quantico had a store here just down the street from me, awesome deals all the time.
Back,
Buy this. It's a .308. ;D
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1275432
(http://www.designatedmarksman.net/images/ak/psl/romak3early_600x.jpg)
Here's a case for it.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/1A1E665A-6C5C-44FB-974A-25053B378AC6.jpeg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/1A1E665A-6C5C-44FB-974A-25053B378AC6.jpeg.html)
[laugh] [clap] [laugh]
Too much.
Quote from: red baron on December 28, 2016, 09:44:34 AM
Back,
Buy this. It's a .308. ;D
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1275432
(http://www.designatedmarksman.net/images/ak/psl/romak3early_600x.jpg)
No it's not
And the deal is done!
Shipping from Linclon, NE. Should have it in on Friday.
And to save up for another couple years for glass... Eating is overrated.
A quick follow-up visit to Freedom Munitions... with a couple hund sent their way...
Quote from: Bick on December 28, 2016, 12:43:43 PM
A quick follow-up visit to Freedom Munitions... with a couple hund sent their way...
Be careful with their stuff. :o
Quote from: red baron on December 28, 2016, 04:33:57 PM
Be careful with their stuff. :o
I've always just bought new from them. (Not nearly as much as others on this thread)
No problems yet...
Weapons manipulation drill. Bullets up, no round in the chamber. Pick' em up, mag in, rack it, and fire a single shot.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/FA72A8AD-D292-4E4F-818E-2C157ACF6528_1.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/FA72A8AD-D292-4E4F-818E-2C157ACF6528_1.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/A77C648F-0BE1-4999-90E0-86FC4C8AAF1A.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/A77C648F-0BE1-4999-90E0-86FC4C8AAF1A.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/F6559B5A-3919-4DEE-A453-85D890A1CBB2.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/F6559B5A-3919-4DEE-A453-85D890A1CBB2.jpg.html)
You guys shoot green tip at the steel?
Quote from: red baron on December 30, 2016, 04:20:57 PM
You guys shoot green tip at the steel?
Oh yeah. No closer than 50 (no matter what type of ammo). On that note, once a piece of steel gets pitted up from rifle ammo, it's never used for pistol again. All of the steel is AR500.
54 degrees and raining, what a great empty day at the range, sighted in my 1-4 optic, had some fun plinking with the .22, and three shots with handgun and called it a day. [thumbsup]
(http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=570030&d=1483232044)
Quote from: red baron on December 31, 2016, 04:49:53 PM
54 degrees and raining, what a great empty day at the range, sighted in my 1-4 optic, had some fun plinking with the .22, and three shots with handgun and called it a day. [thumbsup]
(http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=570030&d=1483232044)
If it ain't rainin' it ain't trainin'! ;)
(http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=569600&d=1483078701)
Quote from: red baron on December 31, 2016, 07:10:18 PM
(http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=569600&d=1483078701)
Doesn't do me much good with out signing up!
If there's supposed to be a pic or something, I ain't seeing it.
https://youtu.be/dr8Z3ZueaYA
Quote from: red baron on December 28, 2016, 09:44:34 AM
Back,
Buy this. It's a .308. ;D
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1275432
(http://www.designatedmarksman.net/images/ak/psl/romak3early_600x.jpg)
7,62x54 =/= 7,62x51
The Romanian FPL/PSL rifles were never made in .308 or 7.62nato.
The Chinese Dragunov copy was made in both 7.62nato and 7.62russian, but will cost you 3000-5000.
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 31, 2016, 10:08:14 PM
https://youtu.be/dr8Z3ZueaYA
That's too much, they don't make them like they used to. [clap]
Quote from: Bick on December 31, 2016, 07:24:38 PM
Doesn't do me much good with out signing up!
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 31, 2016, 07:29:39 PM
If there's supposed to be a pic or something, I ain't seeing it.
It's hollow points mushroomed out and made into little flowers with brass as the dirt they're planted in.
http://bulletbouquets.com/t/flower-pots
Quote from: ducatiz on January 01, 2017, 08:18:07 AM
7,62x54 =/= 7,62x51
The Romanian FPL/PSL rifles were never made in .308 or 7.62nato.
The Chinese Dragunov copy was made in both 7.62nato and 7.62russian, but will cost you 3000-5000.
wiki says different. ;D
Although not identical, the 7.62×51mm NATO and the commercial .308 Winchester cartridges are similar enough that they can be loaded into rifles chambered for the other round, but the Winchester .308 cartridges are typically loaded to higher pressures than 7.62×51mm NATO cartridges.
(http://nebula.wsimg.com/obj/MjFCOUIxNDRGRkJENDAzREM1RUM6M2M3ZWNmYTQ4NzNiYjk4NTJlYjc3MzM5MmI1MTcwNDI6Ojo6OjA=)
https://youtu.be/NrdGKY630Ow
Dear god. :o
https://youtu.be/4t69VcNx-58
:-\
I don't wear seat belts.
Shot 100rds of 1-1-1 mag changes. Then I set up the range for a class tomorrow. It'll be 6 dudes I'm training for a security detail. I have them for 2 days, so I'm gonna take them as far as I can.
I would have shot today if it weren't for stupid hangover holiday and UPS not delivering. [bang]
My new baby won't be here until tomorrow. >:(
It's all good. ;)
Quote from: Bick on January 02, 2017, 01:37:25 PM
I would have shot today if it weren't for stupid hangover holiday and UPS not delivering. [bang]
My new baby won't be here until tomorrow. >:(
Evil takes no days off. Never know when you'll be called on boyscout, always prepared.
;D
Sights & Triggers. Here's a great drill for seeing' the gun.
https://youtu.be/5h6yfSIJKoQ
WOTG customer service comes through with great service once again.
Thanks Heather! [thumbsup]
Quote from: red baron on January 02, 2017, 07:27:35 PM
WOTG customer service comes through with great service once again.
Thanks Heather! [thumbsup]
What did you get?
Not a gun, but I'd consider it a firearm.
https://www.preppergunshop.com/xm42-flamethrower-gen-3-powdercoated-cherry-red-rh
Oooh.
Quote from: Bick on January 02, 2017, 07:44:03 PM
What did you get?
Swapped out some square notch for the Y notch. I could not get the sight picture right with the square on the G34.
Quote from: Satellite smithy on January 02, 2017, 07:47:28 PM
Not a gun, but I'd consider it a firearm.
https://www.preppergunshop.com/xm42-flamethrower-gen-3-powdercoated-cherry-red-rh
Oooh.
I don't even want to know how you got to that website. :o
This gun crew is getting after it. I was in 81s when I first went in the Suck'.
https://youtu.be/io3NHBKQSQ4
https://youtu.be/y4ifQ7Gi7Bg
The machine should be named kop ;D
Quote from: red baron on January 03, 2017, 07:16:20 AM
https://youtu.be/y4ifQ7Gi7Bg
The machine should be named kop ;D
Kopf shoots way more than that.
And has way faster magazine changes.
It's all about the timing bro. [thumbsup]
I'd last maybe an hour on that job, before I turned the gun around and left the sliding door open.
The guy loading the mags must be excited. ;D
Worked these boys hard for the past two days. Not sure the total round count, but I shot 600 today which is rare when I'm teaching. All in all it was a solid two days of work for them.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/11A3050D-F4B3-4201-95EE-C5996CD51945.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/11A3050D-F4B3-4201-95EE-C5996CD51945.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/6F1D6B2F-5BAD-4DA1-ACCE-506991F58B76.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/6F1D6B2F-5BAD-4DA1-ACCE-506991F58B76.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/708B6DF4-548B-4717-AEFB-703C0D1AFA3C.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/708B6DF4-548B-4717-AEFB-703C0D1AFA3C.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/9958F4E3-82D4-460E-AFF5-78C9A55FED21.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/9958F4E3-82D4-460E-AFF5-78C9A55FED21.jpg.html)
Almost done [thumbsup] 47" total length. Current weight is 14lbs. Going to be a porky bastard [laugh]
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/Stuff/n-Mwq3P/i-LqGFGB5/0/XL/i-LqGFGB5-XL.jpg)
That'll reach out there.
We have a new 2,700 yard range here. I've only shot past 1k a few times. This should be good out to a mile on calm days. Longer shots, or windy days, and the 338 Lapua will be coming out
Hell yeah. [thumbsup]
Not as fancy as Zach's...
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b486/acbick/IMG_20170104_175826_zpsdephhr6d.jpg~original)
That'll put a smile on your face.
Nice!
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 04, 2017, 04:01:19 PM
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/11A3050D-F4B3-4201-95EE-C5996CD51945.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/11A3050D-F4B3-4201-95EE-C5996CD51945.jpg.html)
Guy on right: Is he about to take a shot at a plane? Does he not know about the escalator?
Guy on left: Unlock those make the beast with two backsen elbows. ;D
Quote from: Bick on January 04, 2017, 05:09:38 PM
Not as fancy as Zach's...
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b486/acbick/IMG_20170104_175826_zpsdephhr6d.jpg~original)
Tear it down, clean and lube it, then mount the NightForce. [evil] [evil]
I'm sure I snapped that during a mag change. Breaking guys of that habit takes time, it's stuck in their brain. When I get you on the range, I'll post all kinds of make the beast with two backsed up technique pics. :D
Quote from: red baron on January 05, 2017, 07:49:00 AM
Tear it down, clean and lube it, then mount the NightForce. [evil] [evil]
Got the first part of that done. [thumbsup]
Trying to decide what glass I want. (While I save up for it... :-\ )
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 05, 2017, 07:53:08 AM
I'm sure I snapped that during a mag change. Breaking guys of that habit takes time, it's stuck in their brain. When I get you on the range, I'll post all kinds of make the beast with two backsed up technique pics. :D
You give a guy a few tips, and he's a make the beast with two backsing expert. :P
Quote from: ducpainter on January 05, 2017, 03:00:28 PM
You give a guy a few tips, and he's a make the beast with two backsing expert. :P
If I had a nickel.... :D I was helping a dude today that's shooting a big match here this weekend. I thought I was just gonna open the range and make sure he didn't tear anything up, but he wanted some advice, so what was gonna be an hour turned into 5. No worries though cause I'd do this shit for bread and water. (That's pretty much what Uncle Sugar paid me) On the way home I stopped to get a pizza. Some dude saw my WOTG shirt and asked if I like to shoot. Yada yada yada, he told me he could shoot a 3" group at 65 yds with his XD. I need to train with him. :P
On a good day he might shoot a 2 round 3" group. ;)
More like 15 1" groups.
He was counting the rounds that hit the target.
That's how it's supposed to be done, right?
[roll]
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 05, 2017, 07:53:08 AM
I'm sure I snapped that during a mag change. Breaking guys of that habit takes time, it's stuck in their brain. When I get you on the range, I'll post all kinds of make the beast with two backsed up technique pics. :D
;D ;D ;D
Quote from: ducpainter on January 05, 2017, 03:00:28 PM
You give a guy a few tips, and he's a make the beast with two backsing expert. :P
[laugh]
IDGAF, if I can get better through humiliation that's fine by me. [thumbsup]
Quote from: red baron on January 05, 2017, 09:17:42 PM
;D ;D ;D
[laugh]
IDGAF, if I can get better through humiliation that's fine by me. [thumbsup]
Join the military...I'm sure D knows just the guy to humiliate you. ;D
[laugh]
https://youtu.be/IYUpoBLFSUE
I liked the one that followed it...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NPbpNX406U#t=701.48923
Yeah, we've spent a lot of time on this discussion. It was time to prove the point. Also, pay attention to the manipulation of the safety between every shot at distance. I've been driving that point home to shooters for the past 18yrs.
Here it is in slo-mo.
https://youtu.be/pR7jz3qMf60
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=caMHdcRNEkc
[thumbsup] He does some good videos. PewPew Life
The new issue is out, and my boy got a short write up. This is a pretty good rag, with interviews with several really solid dudes.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/506F900B-42E0-4F89-AAF9-CB2BE50274CF.jpeg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/506F900B-42E0-4F89-AAF9-CB2BE50274CF.jpeg.html)
https://youtu.be/ZutdjKCSnEQ
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 09, 2017, 08:30:32 AM
The new issue is out, and my boy got a short write up. This is a pretty good rag, with interviews with several really solid dudes.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/506F900B-42E0-4F89-AAF9-CB2BE50274CF.jpeg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/506F900B-42E0-4F89-AAF9-CB2BE50274CF.jpeg.html)
Do they have e-version?
Quote from: red baron on January 09, 2017, 09:57:03 AM
Do they have e-version?
Not sure, but I can mail you a copy.
This kid has some strong gun skills.
https://youtu.be/2Q-QVBQVYTA
He certainly does! ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»
Is that an Bambi slide release or a BAD lever?
This is the setup he's running on that gun.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/CAB44052-CD16-49EA-9C41-F33B6566C9D4.jpeg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/CAB44052-CD16-49EA-9C41-F33B6566C9D4.jpeg.html)
Here he is running mag changes with 5 different gun setups, and pov.
https://youtu.be/AgwruikpmG8
Frank running down a skeet.
https://youtu.be/W-eBZqQz4L0
Nice! ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»
So someone was fatally shot at a local USPSA match. Here is a pic of the range, bays marked A&R were where the rifle shooter was and DOWNRANGE of that was where the match was being held. The red scribble is where the victim was hit.
(http://i67.tinypic.com/2j17v34.jpg)
I would never have shot there knowing there were shooters on the other side of the berm. Who in their right mind would even think this range design is a good idea? I'm betting that range will be out of business very soon.
When/Where did this happen?
Not unlike many multiple bay ranges. Nothing wrong with the design. Bulletts cant go 'through' that much earth, so something else happened.
On a KD range in the military. You always have people working' in the pits. Running targets up and down for the shooters. So at anytime there are multiple shooters online firing 556 or 308 like during sniper school. Hell youre actually holding the targets with a stick for snaps and movers.
Quote from: ducpainter on January 15, 2017, 07:15:18 AM
When/Where did this happen?
Yesterday at a place called Raahauges in Corona Ca.
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 15, 2017, 08:17:50 AM
On a KD range in the military. You always have people working' in the pits. Running targets up and down for the shooters. So at anytime there are multiple shooters online firing 556 or 308 like during sniper school. Hell youre actually holding the targets with a stick for snaps and movers.
When I've shot KD here at Camp Pendleton, at least you're in a concrete bunker working the target, and that's about 8-10' overhead. With Shooters of known capability, this place has who knows on the other side of that berm, often newbies or people sighting in.
It's not out of the ordinary for that kind of range configuration. From the picture you can tell it's been there for awhile.
First pic is Midsouth, it's been there forever. Second pic is us.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/26418B02-98BC-4E95-8AAC-B3171EA596EC.png) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/26418B02-98BC-4E95-8AAC-B3171EA596EC.png.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/CF5B8461-618C-4706-BC2C-E3AF76F53737.png) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/CF5B8461-618C-4706-BC2C-E3AF76F53737.png.html)
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1291864
On another note, handgun and AR match yesterday left me in fourth (out of 27).
In the one on one (falling steel)< I had to take two hits to drop it and the .45 only needed one. [laugh]
You could go train with these rocket scientists. [bang]
https://youtu.be/ou4m0aQZ-x4
That's just nutter.
Quote from: red baron on January 15, 2017, 06:41:50 AM
So someone was fatally shot at a local USPSA match. Here is a pic of the range, bays marked A&R were where the rifle shooter was and DOWNRANGE of that was where the match was being held. The red scribble is where the victim was hit.
(http://i67.tinypic.com/2j17v34.jpg)
I would never have shot there knowing there were shooters on the other side of the berm. Who in their right mind would even think this range design is a good idea? I'm betting that range will be out of business very soon.
just the kind of thing we don't need.. california too
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 15, 2017, 10:34:32 AM
You could go train with these rocket scientists. [bang]
https://youtu.be/ou4m0aQZ-x4
I refuse to believe that's real.
Quote from: The Architect on January 17, 2017, 12:11:09 PM
I refuse to believe that's real.
Oh it is. There's other clowns out there as well!
200+ 1-1-1 drills today, plus 100 or so table top drills. So much money can be made. (if you know what the make the beast with two backs you're doing)
Quote from: ducatiz on January 17, 2017, 11:22:20 AM
just the kind of thing we don't need.. california too
It's just that whole 'people downrange from the rifle bays' idea that seems haywire.
Quote from: Speeddog on January 17, 2017, 04:14:19 PM
It's just that whole 'people downrange from the rifle bays' idea that seems haywire.
Rifles/newbies/unknown skill set uprange of the pistol guys? Not sure why they chose that.
From the gofundme they setup seems like a nice young man and liked guns and motorcycles. [thumbsup]
https://www.gofundme.com/support-lionels-final-journey-home
RIP Lionel.
New pistol this weekend... a Lipsey's Ruger Flattop .44SPC. I call this the gun of contradiction...
1) It's a Ruger single-action. I have never had good luck with Ruger pistols, and I've owned about 8 of them... swore I'd never buy another.
2) It's a .44. I've never owned a .44 and never intended to... besides, .44 is so passe'. I'm a .41 man, myself...
3) It's another mouth to feed. I already load for 9 other rounds, I don't really need another, particularly one that requires a completely new set of hardware.
Sooo... here it is. Bought it off a forum friend who says it does, indeed, shoot... so I'm taking him at his word. I'll have to admit, I'll be pretty damned disappointed if it doesn't. This will be my Last and Final Attempt with a Ruger SA. I could have spent the money on a case of 5.56 or 7.62 (which I need more than another pistol) but everyone has to have one flaw.
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b500/RustyRooter/IMG_5857_zpslktslpsj.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/RustyRooter/media/IMG_5857_zpslktslpsj.jpg.html)
I was going to test drive it Saturday but just found out they are having a promotional event Saturday, so I might go Friday night or Sunday.
There is nothing passe about a .44.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/08/28/article-2403742-1B7EC094000005DC-760_634x311.jpg)
I regret selling my 629. I will be getting another one.
Quote from: Bick on January 18, 2017, 09:05:29 AM
There is nothing passe about a .44.
...but it's not. It's a .429... ;) Whereas, the .41 is .410... getting all your money's worth.
I've made the command decision that I must go shooting today instead of this weekend... inquiring minds want to know.
Shot Show started today. Arkos was seen kitted up at the range.
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http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/01/17/shot-show-2017-what-need-to-know.html
http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/shot-show-2017/
Good boy Arkos. [thumbsup]
I've posted this before, but it shows guys like Arkos training.
https://youtu.be/MNcrnyqGzbM
Man's best friend! ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 19, 2017, 09:23:48 AM
I've posted this before, but it shows guys like Arkos training.
https://youtu.be/MNcrnyqGzbM
Who's a good boy?!!!
[thumbsup] [thumbsup]
Sig it is...
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2017/01/19/army-picks-sig-sauer-replace-m9-service-pistol.html
The dudes that actually use' their secondary won't carry them. ;)
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 20, 2017, 05:59:10 AM
The dudes that actually use' their secondary won't carry them. ;)
I was really hoping for Glock, but it is still a huge improvement over the Beretta.
What is it with the Sig anyway? It's just another klunky DA auto... just like the M9.
Quote from: Charlie98 on January 21, 2017, 06:23:55 AM
What is it with the Sig anyway? It's just another klunky DA auto... just like the M9.
Some 'zero' at the head shed, that's never really run a pistol before. It's ok, like I said the guys who really use them have other choices.
Quote from: Charlie98 on January 21, 2017, 06:23:55 AM
What is it with the Sig anyway? It's just another klunky DA auto... just like the M9.
The SIG is not a DA auto, it is a striker fired system, not unlike the Glock. One click, and then you have to work the slide to re-cock. No hammer.
One of the big requirements in the spec was modularity. The SIG is completely modular -- even the frame is removable from the stock.
When the original req was put out, the modular requirement was "looser" in that they did not require a removeable frame. At that time, the M&P was a very strong contender because it met all the requirements. Glock was never a serious contender for {reasons}. I think a huge part of that was that the Glock platform is perceived as "old" (no sneering at the Browning link on the 1911).
Many people thought they would stick with a hammer fired pistol (also for {reasons} ) but the early feedback that S&W got (which was reflected in their shareholder report in September) was that the M&P was not picked because of the frame issue, not the striker system. The rumor was that S&W has been developing an "MHS version" of the m&p with a modular frame system to match the early feedback, but they haven't gotten it out the door enough to be tested. It would be interesting if they pursued that as a new version of the M&P but I doubt it will happen.
It's also interesting to me that the SIG won especially given this pistol is SIG's FIRST striker fired handgun. They don't have a lot of experience with these guns, all the P series have been hammer fired. The M&P was more mature (on the market) but not TOO mature (i.e. Glock).
The other platforms rejected (Beretta, HK, Detonics, etc) all had concerns about their level of modularity. The testers want the gun to be completely dis-assemble-able in the field and without tools (ahem, glock). That means EVERYTHING comes apart, and even the slide rails in the frame come out.
I think SIG USA saw that spec and then proceeded to build a gun based off that spec -- essentially copying the M&P (which of course is an updated copy of the Walther whcih is an updated copy of the Glock etc etc etc etc).
SIG won by tailoring the gun to the game.
I have SIGs. Don't have that one. I like the SIGs I have, i don't think I'll bother buying this one. I've never liked the Beretta and this P320 does nothing for me.
Disclaimer: I own stock in S&W.
Quote from: Bick on January 20, 2017, 06:08:01 AM
I was really hoping for Glock, but it is still a huge improvement over the Beretta.
Glock don't make a .308. ;D
Quote from: ducatiz on January 21, 2017, 02:14:28 PM
The SIG is not a DA auto, it is a striker fired system, not unlike the Glock. One click, and then you have to work the slide to re-cock. No hammer.
Didn't know that... bad on me because I didn't look, first. TBH, I scratched my head when they adopted the M9. Given the design features you outlined, a entirely new pistol
had to be designed to meet the criteria.
I don't care for Glocks, don't own one, but they aren't bad pistols, I don't really see how it could be perceived as an 'old' design... like the 1911, the Glock features continue to be copied. They certainly have a valid track record.
Quote from: Charlie98 on January 22, 2017, 07:44:46 PM
Didn't know that... bad on me because I didn't look, first. TBH, I scratched my head when they adopted the M9. Given the design features you outlined, a entirely new pistol had to be designed to meet the criteria.
I don't care for Glocks, don't own one, but they aren't bad pistols, I don't really see how it could be perceived as an 'old' design... like the 1911, the Glock features continue to be copied. They certainly have a valid track record.
I think "old" just means "we have seen that before."
The Glock suffers from the fact that other companies have now used the Glock system and improved on it. Glock's patent ran out years ago, so everyone is free to copy it.
The M&P incorporated most of the Glock firing system and came out with adjustable grips before Glock did. That's the kind of thing the MHS was doing -- looking at current designs and making a list of the features they think they can use. I question the "modular frame" feature, but the description showed a concern with a plastic-frame gun sustaining damage and then it is unusable if the frame is integral.
With a modular frame (like the SIG, and unlike the Glock or M&P) you drop a couple of pins and the frame comes out of the grip. The grip thus becomes a feature that can be swapped in the field or even customized (think in terms of customizing a Glock grip -- legally, it's the "regulated" component). However, on the SIG, you can fully remove the grip from the regulated component (frame) and mail it all you want to be customized.
What the mil use for that feature is, I dunno, but then again, I don't have the budget to fook around with toys that they do.
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Vogel shooting the Ohio PD qual course, with a twist.
https://youtu.be/py1WSRpcl6E
Outstanding shooting. ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»
Damn and with a practically stock handgun, that's some badass skills! Thanks for posting
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 24, 2017, 03:25:16 PM
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New toy?
Quote from: Zaster on January 29, 2017, 05:16:14 PM
New toy?
No, it's not mine. I got another one in the works though.
Ordered.
(http://www.vortexoptics.com/uploads/rfl_gold-eagle_15-60x52_moa_included-t.jpg)
http://www.vortexoptics.com/product/vortex-golden-eagle-hd-ecr-1-moa-riflescope
Well, happy to report that one round mag changes have helped as well as working on presentation.
It is amazing how much money can be made with simple exercises. Many thanks! [thumbsup]
Well done sir!
2,000 meters here we come. [evil]
(http://www.vortexoptics.com/uploads/rfl_gold-eagle_15-60x52_moa_wind-turrets-t.jpg)
Quote from: red baron on January 29, 2017, 06:51:39 PM
Well done sir!
2,000 meters here we come. [evil]
(http://www.vortexoptics.com/uploads/rfl_gold-eagle_15-60x52_moa_wind-turrets-t.jpg)
By the time it comes in, maybe you will be ready for a "cross country" road trip. ;)
Looked at new cross country rigs today. [thumbsup]
First stop, Alabama.
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 29, 2017, 05:36:38 PM
No, it's not mine. I got another one in the works though.
Please do share 8)
Quote from: Zaster on January 29, 2017, 07:12:31 PM
Please do share 8)
I bought a blank Suarez slide for my old Gen3 19. We're gonna do some different cuts on it. I'm gonna do something similar with my STI as soon as I can get a blank slide.
Nice glass. [thumbsup]
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 29, 2017, 07:18:39 PM
Nice glass. [thumbsup]
Have you checked out Promotive yet?
Quote from: Bick on January 29, 2017, 06:48:06 PM
Ordered.
(http://www.vortexoptics.com/uploads/rfl_gold-eagle_15-60x52_moa_included-t.jpg)
http://www.vortexoptics.com/product/vortex-golden-eagle-hd-ecr-1-moa-riflescope
Did you get it on the Midway sale?
rifle weight 7.2 pounds
optic weight 17.3 pounds
Hitting 8" plate at 1500 meters priceless
;D
Beautiful day today, 55 and sunny. I was feeling it today.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/C45D3ECA-81A1-499C-93A1-B758A7AD9DC8.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/C45D3ECA-81A1-499C-93A1-B758A7AD9DC8.jpg.html)
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Quote from: Bick on January 29, 2017, 06:48:06 PM
Ordered.
http://www.vortexoptics.com/product/vortex-golden-eagle-hd-ecr-1-moa-riflescope
You'll love it [thumbsup] It is almost as long as a Mac 10 [evil]
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/Stuff/n-Mwq3P/i-4rmgQm5/0/L/i-4rmgQm5-L.jpg)
Nice Lage upper, have you tried their relocated mag release?
Thanks [beer] I had it installed, but ran into issues with the mag falling out. I took it out and forgot about it. I need to call Lage and get it figured out.
I was at the range today. I was also doing some one round mag changes. ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»
The accuracy and speed are slowly building. Long way to go, but it's great fun turning money into noise!! ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ˜,,
Quote from: GK on February 03, 2017, 09:34:50 PM
I was at the range today. I was also doing some one round mag changes. ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»
The accuracy and speed are slowly building. Long way to go, but it's great fun turning money into noise!! ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ˜,,
'Making Brass' [thumbsup]
Congrats Colorado
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20170131/colorado-magazine-limit-repeal-bill-approved-by-senate-committee
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 28, 2017, 02:02:50 PM
Vogel shooting the Ohio PD qual course, with a twist.
https://youtu.be/py1WSRpcl6E
Jeepers!
https://youtu.be/f-X27Om5Qhk
Pat Mac getting busy
https://youtu.be/sDEPJfYK_xc
https://youtu.be/U-_9OIiQOJg
[thumbsup]
https://youtu.be/0M_LXGtC4ds
Running with my buddy Tony. [thumbsup]
Good day at the range with another board member. Confirmed zero at 100, then worked back to 1,000. The 338 Lapua is a beast. It was knocking the shit out of the steel targets. My ballistic app calculates 1,282 ft-lbs of energy at that distance, more than 5.56 at the muzzle ;D
We got lots of wind practice as well, experiencing upwards of 100" of drift. I'd planned on shooting my 20" AR, but it was just too windy.
My buddy's 308 did surprisingly well with 175gr SMK's at 1,000. His scope didn't have enough adjustment, and he was forced to hold over.
All in all, a damn fine day.
Anyone in or near Chattanooga that wants to train tomorrow. I'm gonna be at the range in Cleveland.
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 12, 2017, 05:40:34 PM
Anyone in or near Chattanooga that wants to train tomorrow. I'm gonna be at the range in Cleveland.
I'll be in DTLA, if you change plans. [thumbsup]
Quote from: red baron on February 12, 2017, 06:45:24 PM
I'll be in DTLA, if you change plans. [thumbsup]
I'd rather go to the sandbox. ;)
Daily carry kit. Don't leave home without it.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/371BD9F7-C077-49E2-8F3E-691591A275B0_1.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/371BD9F7-C077-49E2-8F3E-691591A275B0_1.jpg.html)
Went to the ranch today and got my gun on. Lots of long, 50+yd work, tight angle shots, etc etc.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/0F2FC561-0B7A-4BD2-B116-C6FCBBD91F43.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/0F2FC561-0B7A-4BD2-B116-C6FCBBD91F43.jpg.html)
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(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/F4FD75CD-555A-40A8-9612-249A60415EDD_1.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/F4FD75CD-555A-40A8-9612-249A60415EDD_1.jpg.html)
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About 500 rounds kopf??
Nice! ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»
(http://id.glock.com/assets/feed-posts/full-100127-4019201-ZZZtripleglockfront.JPG)
(http://id.glock.com/assets/feed-posts/full-100127-434978-ZZZtripleglockrear.JPG)
Locally veteran owned outfit finished building this for me.
ZZZ Custom.
Finished up a month of work for Uncle Sugar (squirrel stuff), and had a concealment class yesterday and a refinement class today.
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Using a Nikon P900 as a spotting scope at 500 and 1,000 yards
https://youtu.be/_bWYqQZfjLI
[evil]
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 18, 2017, 05:23:15 PM
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Pic 1) whats up with those elbows?
Pic2) whats up with that foot placement?
;D
Looks like a good day on the range!
Did some AR/handgun work myself this weekend. Really need to commit to bringing along the go pro. So much more learning for me reviewing the video in frame by frame. Working on getting more finger on the trigger has seemed to make a small improvement.
You don't possess the skill set to critique other shooters. You have plenty of make the beast with two backsed up shit to correct of your own. :-*
I sold my single shot Savage 338 Lapua, and am building a slightly nicer one [laugh] The Savage was fine, but had some annoyances. The trigger was constantly changing weight, the bolt was stiff, and no one makes a chassis for it. I got most of my $$ out of it, so I consider it a win. The new rifle will be:
Stiller Tac 338 action
Bartlein 1.350" barrel with MTU contour
McMillan A-5 stock
Stiller bottom metal w/ AI mags
I considered a Surgeon action for this build just for variety, but decided to stick with Stiller. This is my 3rd action from him. I love the fact that he is local too. Picked up the action today [thumbsup]
Barrel was in stock at Southern Precision Rifles.
Stock is 4 weeks out, which is pretty awesome from McMillan.
No doubt, McMillan can be 6-8+ months out.
Had a 1-1 session today. The desire is there, just need to work with her for awhile. (1-2yrs should do it)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/968AE86E-E6BD-4EA8-94BF-DC298DCEBF4A.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/968AE86E-E6BD-4EA8-94BF-DC298DCEBF4A.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/F279BBCA-B73E-4DB1-862D-ABE1437BAE48.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/F279BBCA-B73E-4DB1-862D-ABE1437BAE48.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/93D2C430-328C-4C86-A66C-AACC26E4E96C.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/93D2C430-328C-4C86-A66C-AACC26E4E96C.jpg.html)
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 20, 2017, 07:42:44 AM
You don't possess the skill set to critique other shooters. You have plenty of make the beast with two backsed up shit to correct of your own. :-*
Ain't that the truth.
More mag work today, ran out of daylight.
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 20, 2017, 04:28:16 PM
Had a 1-1 session today. The desire is there, just need to work with her for awhile. (1-2yrs should do it)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/968AE86E-E6BD-4EA8-94BF-DC298DCEBF4A.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/968AE86E-E6BD-4EA8-94BF-DC298DCEBF4A.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/F279BBCA-B73E-4DB1-862D-ABE1437BAE48.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/F279BBCA-B73E-4DB1-862D-ABE1437BAE48.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/93D2C430-328C-4C86-A66C-AACC26E4E96C.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/93D2C430-328C-4C86-A66C-AACC26E4E96C.jpg.html)
😉😉
Yep, wouldn't mind working with her for a year or two myself. ;D
Bunch of pervs... ;D
Quote from: ducpainter on February 22, 2017, 10:49:21 AM
Bunch of pervs... ;D
I can't wait until I get old like the rest of you so I can be a dirty old man too! ;)
Barrel has arrived. This thing is ridiculous! Weight is 8.3 lbs [laugh] Dropping the action, barrel, and Terminator T4 muzzle brake off at the smith this weekend. Finished weight of the rifle and optics should be around 18 lbs.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/Stuff/n-Mwq3P/i-Nh9m6z8/0/L/i-Nh9m6z8-L.jpg)
[evil]
And here we have hot girl after training with Kopf for a week...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIpUUM8BZOI
Pew Pew
[evil]
[laugh] [laugh]
I used to teach pelvic girdle shots in SOTIC all the time. You can demoralize a bunch of folks with 1 good dick shot. ;)
https://www.instagram.com/p/BQ3uqG8j_Tn/
:o
Getting after it.
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 22, 2017, 07:20:51 PM
I used to teach pelvic girdle shots in SOTIC all the time. You can demoralize a bunch of folks with 1 good dick shot. ;)
I could see where an enemy wouldn't have the balls to retaliate after something like that.
Quote from: red baron on February 25, 2017, 06:40:12 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BQ3uqG8j_Tn/
:o
Supremo fasto!
Quote from: ducpainter on February 22, 2017, 10:49:21 AM
Bunch of pervs... ;D
Perv would be saying they wanted to smear raw chicken on her while watching old episodes of Gimmie A Break.
Plain old "get to know ya" isn't perv, that's just human nature... :-D
Quote from: zach on February 22, 2017, 02:12:00 PM
Barrel has arrived. This thing is ridiculous! Weight is 8.3 lbs [laugh] Dropping the action, barrel, and Terminator T4 muzzle brake off at the smith this weekend. Finished weight of the rifle and optics should be around 18 lbs.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/Stuff/n-Mwq3P/i-Nh9m6z8/0/L/i-Nh9m6z8-L.jpg)
Why did you choose the MacMillan over other ones like the Magpul or B&C?
I have a M700 barreled action I want to finish and am looking at those three. Need to finish the barrel work and get it coated and then into a stock.
Can you bed the MacMillan yourself or is the bedding pre-done? I like doing my own unless it's "excellent"... the B&C for instance is "excellent"...
They'll work with you.
https://mcmillanusa.com/mcmillan-rifle-stocks/stock-configurator/
https://mcmillanusa.com/mcmillan-rifle-stocks/mcmillan-tactical-stocks/
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 28, 2017, 09:50:36 AM
They'll work with you.
https://mcmillanusa.com/mcmillan-rifle-stocks/stock-configurator/
https://mcmillanusa.com/mcmillan-rifle-stocks/mcmillan-tactical-stocks/
Yeah, but I like the B&C a lot and I can get it with or without the bedding posts.
It's very similar to the rig I had in lebanon
(not mine, this is the B&C setup..)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/c6/c7/58/c6c7584e76b7a0e985154536fd796d7d.jpg)
Well, go with them then.
Quote from: ducatiz on February 28, 2017, 09:38:10 AM
Why did you choose the MacMillan over other ones like the Magpul or B&C?
The McMillan fits the larger TAC-338 action. My options were McMillan, XLR, or Cadex.
I actually really like the Magpul, and have one on my 20" 308 SPS. Light weight, and feels great. Adjustments are limited though, and it will not fit a bull barrel.
Quote from: zach on February 28, 2017, 12:02:31 PM
The McMillan fits the larger TAC-338 action. My options were McMillan, XLR, or Cadex.
I actually really like the Magpul, and have one on my 20" 308 SPS. Light weight, and feels great. Adjustments are limited though, and it will not fit a bull barrel.
Whoa. The Magpul won't fit a bull barrel??? That's absurd.
I didn't catch that you set up a 338. Got cha.
It is absurd. I believe varmint contour is the largest. 0.850 I believe
Quote from: zach on March 01, 2017, 07:28:52 AM
It is absurd. I believe varmint contour is the largest. 0.850 I believe
Why would they make a "tactical" stock that doesn't take a bull barrel?
Then again, it really is the low dollar model of the lot. I mean, good quality but ...
I know some of you guys use Freedom Munitions ammo. You might find this interesting...
http://lcvalley.dailyfly.com/Home/ArtMID/1352/ArticleID/46061/Softening-Market-Results-in-Layoffs-at-Howell-Munitions-Technology
Howell is the parent company of Freedom.
Quote from: ducpainter on March 02, 2017, 04:32:52 PM
I know some of you guys use Freedom Munitions ammo. You might find this interesting...
http://lcvalley.dailyfly.com/Home/ArtMID/1352/ArticleID/46061/Softening-Market-Results-in-Layoffs-at-Howell-Munitions-Technology
Howell is the parent company of Freedom.
Is Kopf taking a few weeks off from shooting?!!!
I'm doing my part. I have a big box of Freedom being delivered tomorrow.
Quote from: Bick on March 02, 2017, 04:58:12 PM
Is Kopf taking a few weeks off from shooting?!!!
I'm doing my part. I have a big box of Freedom being delivered tomorrow.
Not at all. Ramping it up actually. I ordered twice since Saturday, 2k. No sign of any issues from Freedom on my end.
I think it's a sign of the panic subsiding.
He's not saying anything on his site. I'm burning through his ammo at at least 1k a week, so I keep a revolving door going with them.
Quote from: ducpainter on March 02, 2017, 04:32:52 PM
I know some of you guys use Freedom Munitions ammo. You might find this interesting...
http://lcvalley.dailyfly.com/Home/ArtMID/1352/ArticleID/46061/Softening-Market-Results-in-Layoffs-at-Howell-Munitions-Technology
Howell is the parent company of Freedom.
Quote from: ducpainter on March 02, 2017, 05:04:12 PM
I think it's a sign of the panic subsiding.
round these parts they have a pretty bad rap for squibs. Most if not all I know won't touch their stuff.
twice in the last month or so I've ordered case (Speer 124 or Blazer 124) for less than I could get FM for and shipping was free.
Quote from: Bick on March 02, 2017, 04:58:12 PM
I'm doing my part. I have a big box of Freedom being delivered tomorrow.
You shoot those fat slow ones anyway. ;D
I let loose 200+/- last night after work in the desert. I stopped when I really jacked up a mag change and decided I was too tired to continue and really did not have enough light to see the sights anymore.
Squibs with Freedom ammo? Couldn't guess how much of his reman I've shot, and never seen that once.
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 02, 2017, 09:35:15 PM
Squibs with Freedom ammo? Couldn't guess how much of his reman I've shot, and never seen that once.
Given that Kopf burns through more ammo in a week than some countries do in years of civil war, I respect his opinion on this. [thumbsup]
Quote from: Bick on March 03, 2017, 05:39:24 AM
Given that Kopf burns through more ammo in a week than some countries do in years of civil war, I respect his opinion on this. [thumbsup]
Agreed.
I haven't heard about squibs. I have heard about some brass separation issues when used for reloading. FM uses, or used to use, a step inside the case to avoid setback. It's a natural stress point, and some have had issues.
Quote from: ducpainter on March 02, 2017, 04:32:52 PM
I know some of you guys use Freedom Munitions ammo. You might find this interesting...
http://lcvalley.dailyfly.com/Home/ArtMID/1352/ArticleID/46061/Softening-Market-Results-in-Layoffs-at-Howell-Munitions-Technology
Howell is the parent company of Freedom.
And Colt appears to be shutting down operations too. For like the 10th time.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/03/03/breaking-colt-lays-off-custom-shop-director-employees-company-rumored-gutted/
Quote from: ducatiz on March 03, 2017, 06:33:55 PM
And Colt appears to be shutting down operations too. For like the 10th time.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/03/03/breaking-colt-lays-off-custom-shop-director-employees-company-rumored-gutted/
I read the article, but only the first page of the forum thread...
it doesn't seem to be substantiated...just hearsay from 'misanthropic'...
or are the rumors substantiated later in the thread?
Meanwhile, you can find decent brand ARs for $450.
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/ruger-ar-556-semi-automatic-556-nato-161-barrel-30-rounds?a=1815207
The bottom is dropping out on the AR market.
It will be interesting to see how cheap they get. It used to be you'd only see the "Anderson" and Del-Ton super-cheap models (no sights) for aorund $500. Ruger's AR is supposed to be pretty decent.
It's not like the AK or FAL market that died when the parts kits died. There are a shit-ton of AR makers. How many will go out of business?
Quote from: ducpainter on March 03, 2017, 07:00:31 PM
I read the article, but only the first page of the forum thread...
it doesn't seem to be substantiated...just hearsay from 'misanthropic'...
or are the rumors substantiated later in the thread?
It's rumors, but Colt has done bankruptcy like 2 or 3 times now. It's not like it's hard to believe, they haven't innovated in 20 years.
Quote from: ducatiz on March 03, 2017, 07:03:44 PM
It's rumors, but Colt has done bankruptcy like 2 or 3 times now. It's not like it's hard to believe, they haven't innovated in 20 years.
I understand that part of it. Still rumor.
They lost their following. The collectors still buy the old stuff, but no one is interested in anything they produce anymore.
Like I said...we'll see.
Quote from: ducpainter on March 03, 2017, 06:22:51 AM
I haven't heard about squibs. I have heard about some brass separation issues when used for reloading. FM uses, or used to use, a step inside the case to avoid setback. It's a natural stress point, and some have had issues.
Yeah there's a few companies out there running that type of case, I bin those and give them to the same guy I give all my nickel plated cases to, he seems to have no issue with them but did say that he only uses them for certain loads due to the step.
Taught a church security team of folks today. Overall it went well. This shit ain't rocket science, but you gotta put in range time. You can't rest on your laurels, I make the beast with two backsing promise.
Church security TEAM. :o
Sad that they need one...
Quote from: red baron on March 04, 2017, 05:20:55 PM
Church security TEAM. :o
Sad that they need one...
Most of them have one these days.
Was Howie involved in the development of this round?
https://www.freedommunitions.com/ammunition/rifle/223-remington/223-rem-55-grain-v-max-depredation-new.html
"The bullet remains intact at ultra-high velocities in fast twist barrels, while its highly frangible core fragments violently on impact. Produces instant fragmentation, virtually vaporizing ground squirrels and prairie dogs, even at long range."
Ahhhh....Vaporized Varmits. :D
Quote from: red baron on March 04, 2017, 05:20:55 PM
Church security TEAM. :o
Sad that they need one...
Agreed!
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 04, 2017, 05:28:24 PM
Most of them have one these days.
A sign of the times sadly. Not the case here yet, but I can certainly foresee the need.
Talk about guns...
not the need for security in any particular venue...
K?
Thanks.
The most armed man in America......(probably a derby)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkVn1lzcK70&feature=youtu.be&app=desktop (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkVn1lzcK70&feature=youtu.be&app=desktop)
Don't get to shoot as much when I'm teaching, so I had a strong training session today. 500+, all Freedom Reman rounds. As per usual, no issues.
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 06, 2017, 02:12:42 PM
Don't get to shoot as much when I'm teaching, so I had a strong training session today. 500+, all Freedom Reman rounds. As per usual, no issues.
Keep in mind the source...
(http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/14-660x439.jpg)
;)
If ya gave me one, I'd sell it. ;)
I missed the dig. My bad. ;)
Quote from: ducatiz on March 01, 2017, 07:22:54 AM
Whoa. The Magpul won't fit a bull barrel??? That's absurd.
I didn't catch that you set up a 338. Got cha.
I was bored and tested a 1.00" bull barrel in the Magpul. It fits, but it's close. It maintains a full free float. I'lll take it to the range and see if there is any accuracy difference between the AICS and the MAgpul.
Quote from: Bick on March 06, 2017, 02:55:10 PM
Keep in mind the source...
(http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/14-660x439.jpg)
;)
Might wanna turn dem boolits around. [thumbsup]
https://youtu.be/Hrm-rPSCIBw
Kick him and record it!
Quote from: ducatiz on March 07, 2017, 10:27:01 AM
I didn't see your post. Sorry. Removed my post.
Good enough for me. Thanks.
Quote from: ducpainter on March 07, 2017, 12:10:24 PM
Good enough for me. Thanks.
You should have kicked him in the nuts anyway
Quote from: duccarlos on March 07, 2017, 01:06:29 PM
You should have kicked him in the nuts anyway
I'll kick you instead. :-*
I'm too short, you would be kicking my face.
Well, for make the beast with two backss sake. [evil]
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/E16D0EA3-07DF-41D5-8F29-8692EEB70981.jpeg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/E16D0EA3-07DF-41D5-8F29-8692EEB70981.jpeg.html)
Quote from: ducpainter on March 07, 2017, 02:06:28 PM
I'll kick you instead.
(http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k445/majmontana/kick-in-nuts.gif)
Fixed it for you
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 07, 2017, 04:03:19 PM
Well, for make the beast with two backss sake. [evil]
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/E16D0EA3-07DF-41D5-8F29-8692EEB70981.jpeg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/E16D0EA3-07DF-41D5-8F29-8692EEB70981.jpeg.html)
That's a fine looking WC - looks like there's a double-stack X9 model as well. I was in the market for a 1911 but instead, I went ahead an ordered one of their improved Beretta 92G Brigadiers quite a while ago. Should get it in about a month (or so.)
https://www.wilsoncombat.com/berettawilson-92g-brigadier-tactical/ (https://www.wilsoncombat.com/berettawilson-92g-brigadier-tactical/)
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b500/RustyRooter/17103555_10206832772257114_7903075592417965834_n_zpsev8yqoms.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/RustyRooter/media/17103555_10206832772257114_7903075592417965834_n_zpsev8yqoms.jpg.html)
[laugh]
(http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t180/bobspapa/IMG_1496.jpg)
A co-worker is in charge of this. Let me know if ya want in on some tickets.
http://s67.photobucket.com/user/GK1970/media/537C6138-E3A4-4A4F-A643-CBB907D7B569_zpswialbzow.mp4.html
At the range last week. This was a mate's S&W M&P9. It felt really good right off the bat!
Hope the video works.
Hell yeaah! M&P is a nice gun. Was it the 2.0?
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 11, 2017, 06:27:02 PM
Hell yeaah! M&P is a nice gun. Was it the 2.0?
You talked all sorts of shit about them in the past, didn't you?
Quote from: DRKWNG on March 11, 2017, 06:29:40 PM
You talked all sorts of shit about them in the past, didn't you?
I don't own one. :-*
Next gun is a few posts back. ;)
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 11, 2017, 06:27:02 PMHell yeaah! M&P is a nice gun. Was it the 2.0?
Don't know what you mean about 2.0 kopf. Sorry.
Looked pretty stock, just with after market high vis sights fitted.
I can get something similar here for $1100, which has the high vis sights already installed from the factory.
Edit. Just googled and worked out what you meant. Nope not the 2.0. That looks sweet!
Our clubs guns are about to be changed from H&K USPs to Caracals from the UAE.
The guy who owns my club will be the Australian importer. He's long been a H&K fan, so replacing them with Caracals, considering their previous issues, is quite a big deal. He loves them and assures us that we will to. He says he's put a thousand round through some with no issues. Apparently, Caracal got some trouble shooters (ex H&K IIRC) to iron out the faults.
I'm looking forward to giving them a go when they arrive in the next month or two.
If they're not flash, I may just head down the S&W M&P route.
Either way, it's always fun turning money into noise! ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ˜‰
The 2.0 is the newest version of their 9mm platform.
Old
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/5328A0EF-60B1-4219-BBD0-8C42A73C6280.jpeg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/5328A0EF-60B1-4219-BBD0-8C42A73C6280.jpeg.html)
New
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/BF47E507-18CC-476E-B809-EE56C3982125.png) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/BF47E507-18CC-476E-B809-EE56C3982125.png.html)
Definitely the old.
For $1100 AUS you can get the tan 9mm 2.0.
I'd prefer the black personally, but the tan would certainly stand out.
I was reading up on the 2.0. One of the improvements was around magazine insertions. Often they would unintentionally drop the slide and load a round.
When using the M&P last week, I had that happen every time. Didn't like it much.
2.0 has that sorted. ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»
If you look back at my video, you'll see it happen.
My biggest issue with the M&P 9s is that they suffered accuracy issues when using heavier loads (147gr). Many people attribute this to poor lock up of the barrel when the weapon returns to battery, and supposedly the Apex barrel corrects the issue. I'll likely put one of those in if I keep (shooting) my M&P.
Quote from: DRKWNG on March 13, 2017, 05:24:21 AM
My biggest issue with the M&P 9s is that they suffered accuracy issues when using heavier loads (147gr). Many people attribute this to poor lock up of the barrel when the weapon returns to battery, and supposedly the Apex barrel corrects the issue. I'll likely put one of those in if I keep (shooting) my M&P.
Thanks for the input. ðŸ'ðŸ»
Watching TV with my wife last night, scrolling through the channels there was something on about the history of the NAvy Seals. Clearly we weren't going to watch this but I stopped for a second, they mentioned the Sig P226. I said out loud that that gun was next on my list. Surprisingly she heard me :o and asked "why would I need another gun" and "is there no end to this "list"?"
[laugh]
Without getting into a shoe or other female shopping interest conversation, I set the dvr and changed the channel........
:D
Quote from: The Architect on March 13, 2017, 12:40:00 PM
Watching TV with my wife last night, scrolling through the channels there was something on about the history of the NAvy Seals. Clearly we weren't going to watch this but I stopped for a second, they mentioned the Sig P226. I said out loud that that gun was next on my list. Surprisingly she heard me :o and asked "why would I need another gun" and "is there no end to this "list"?"
[laugh]
Without getting into a shoe or other female shopping interest conversation, I set the dvr and changed the channel........
I watched that happen to my friends and before I got married I bought pretty much everything I found at gun shows that gave me even a little "wiggle."
Now, I "trade" stuff... "Oh that? I traded that old Colt Snake for it"... Sure.. Colt names all their guns after snakes.
Quote from: The Architect on March 13, 2017, 12:40:00 PM
Watching TV with my wife last night, scrolling through the channels there was something on about the history of the NAvy Seals. Clearly we weren't going to watch this but I stopped for a second, they mentioned the Sig P226. I said out loud that that gun was next on my list. Surprisingly she heard me :o and asked "why would I need another gun" and "is there no end to this "list"?"
[laugh]
Without getting into a shoe or other female shopping interest conversation, I set the dvr and changed the channel........
Bit like that at my place.
I'd have 30 guns if I could, plus another 1/2 dozen bikes! Lol!
Sorry for the facebook vid, but I can't find the original source...
https://www.facebook.com/Broperatortime/videos/1852788388272621/ (https://www.facebook.com/Broperatortime/videos/1852788388272621/)
Clear the make the beast with two backsing gun, and get off my range! Oh, and you're done working as an instructor forever.
:o Andy needs to take away his bullet again.
Holy shit... :o
Did you mean to do that?
$£|¥!
Quote from: Johnny OrganDonor on March 15, 2017, 09:37:45 AM
:o Andy needs to take away his bullet again.
He needs to put him in with Otis.
Dumb Ass!!! If he can't keep his finger off the trigger, break it off! >:(
Quote from: Bick on March 15, 2017, 02:26:55 PM
Dumb Ass!!! If he can't keep his finger off the trigger, break it off! >:(
I had a guy last Saturday, that couldn't keep his make the beast with two backsing finger off the trigger. I'm sure I said it 50+ times. Some people just have no business with guns. I'd say since training the 'great unwashed' that 80+% of folks have no-none-any make the beast with two backsing business carrying on the street.
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 15, 2017, 03:51:57 PM
I had a guy last Saturday, that couldn't keep his make the beast with two backsing finger off the trigger. I'm sure I said it 50+ times. Some people just have no business with guns. I'd say since training the 'great unwashed' that 80+% of folks have no-none-any make the beast with two backsing business carrying on the street.
Here is a training tool...
Odds are they never put finger on trigger again.
(http://cdn.barstoolsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/01/12708__68759.1408484626.1280.1280.jpg?b79393)
[evil]
[laugh] [laugh] Normally I'd have thrown him off the range, but this was a slightly different scenario. I got the 'go' from here on out though.
https://d2x9jce0c8lqqb.cloudfront.net/assets/sai-170313-nots-ep03/sai-170313-nots-ep03.m3u8
Yeah...well...make the beast with two backs it, take whatever you want, and here's my gold card.
Quote from: red baron on March 15, 2017, 06:29:23 PM
https://d2x9jce0c8lqqb.cloudfront.net/assets/sai-170313-nots-ep03/sai-170313-nots-ep03.m3u8
Ummm, what is this? Wants me to download a file...
Quote from: NAKID on March 16, 2017, 01:31:28 PM
Ummm, what is this? Wants me to download a file...
Seeing who it's from, probably some nasty virus! [evil]
;) ;D
Quote from: NAKID on March 16, 2017, 01:31:28 PM
Ummm, what is this? Wants me to download a file...
It's a video of a smoking make the beast with two backsing hot chick, shooting and such.
Quote from: Bick on March 16, 2017, 01:57:52 PM
Seeing who it's from, probably some nasty virus! [evil]
;) ;D
Exactly what I was thinking! He can't be trusted!!!
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 16, 2017, 02:35:32 PM
It's a video of a smoking make the beast with two backsing hot chick, shooting and such.
;D ;D [evil] [evil] [thumbsup] [thumbsup]
Good video.
ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ"«ðŸ"«
(http://olegvolk.net/gallery/d/39020-1/redhead_MG42_3945.jpg)
Quote from: red baron on March 18, 2017, 06:57:53 PM
(http://olegvolk.net/gallery/d/39020-1/redhead_MG42_3945.jpg)
[thumbsup]
And since you, Mr. Baron, like to mock my preference in slow, fat ammo...
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b486/acbick/IMG_20170316_190110459_zpspa9mqgs8.jpg~original)
[evil]
That will leave a mark. :o
on another note, looking for a new target?
https://youtu.be/ohLbbRyv2zU
https://youtu.be/iYGFDZkTWCk
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 19, 2017, 10:07:33 AM
https://youtu.be/iYGFDZkTWCk
Very funny. ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»
Quote from: GK on March 19, 2017, 12:37:32 PM
Very funny. ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»
Also very true. I see them all the time. Had at least 3 of them yesterday. ;)
At my gym there's a 7 Guys You Meet At The Gym vid that plays periodically. That's very funny also! 😆😆
Day 1 of a two day pistol. Good group of folks. (Well kinda sorta)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/19FDDEE2-757A-4212-A755-C7179F02A601.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/19FDDEE2-757A-4212-A755-C7179F02A601.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/1013D0DF-70B7-4B39-9260-83152D088EC9.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/1013D0DF-70B7-4B39-9260-83152D088EC9.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/CAAE2952-CB73-423B-8408-F7673CC9333E.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/CAAE2952-CB73-423B-8408-F7673CC9333E.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/58F7394D-A11E-4972-AD54-C7EBF9EE1C2C.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/58F7394D-A11E-4972-AD54-C7EBF9EE1C2C.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/29035DAB-88B3-4128-A91C-8EA9E69B6940.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/29035DAB-88B3-4128-A91C-8EA9E69B6940.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/F2D83D2F-BC07-4E6F-8B8B-A94308073B36.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/F2D83D2F-BC07-4E6F-8B8B-A94308073B36.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/63E6117C-4FA2-40CD-B98F-08768196306A.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/63E6117C-4FA2-40CD-B98F-08768196306A.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/01735092-8258-493E-A8B4-46D86928F208.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/01735092-8258-493E-A8B4-46D86928F208.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/569E1D89-180D-4B25-ADF5-E5026C7C5257.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/569E1D89-180D-4B25-ADF5-E5026C7C5257.jpg.html)
Little Thursday night range fun.
https://youtu.be/NBVUYaOFH1w
The McMillan has arrived [evil]
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/Stuff/n-Mwq3P/i-f79rLSL/0/XL/i-f79rLSL-XL.jpg)
Purdy [thumbsup]
Nice thumb... be a shame if you... lost it...
(http://tribunist.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/0328A5-640x336.jpg)
http://tribunist.com/entertainment/rapper-misses-every-single-shot-then-he-blames-it-on-the-cameraman-video
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 19, 2017, 10:07:33 AM
https://youtu.be/iYGFDZkTWCk
I'm the "too old for this shit" guy.
She's complete. Awful photo. I'll try and get better pics at the range tomorrow.
I haven't decided on glass yet. I'm borrowing my wife's Athlon Cronus for now. Will likely end up with another Vortex Razor 2, but am considering the S&B PMII as well as the Cronus. Mile High is running a sale on the S&B, so it is tempting.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/Stuff/n-Mwq3P/i-5mnCpDv/0/XL/i-5mnCpDv-XL.png)
Very Nice! [thumbsup]
Got another lower in... Form 1 submitted...
Really liking this BCM stuff!
New favorite YouTube channel.
https://www.youtube.com/user/TriggerTimeTV/videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoGRlS53U_k
They're a day early. [roll]
Being first counts. ;D
:D They didn't mention the tiny free floating mount to keep the little camera from spinning inside the bullet - must be a trade secret. [clap]
Quote from: Johnny OrganDonor on March 31, 2017, 08:08:37 PM
:D They didn't mention the tiny free floating mount to keep the little camera from spinning inside the bullet - must be a trade secret. [clap]
It's the vortex's job to keep the camera oriented ;D
Trying to view that bulletin cam video crashes tapatalk!
I'll look for it on the tube.
Amazing stuff!
At what point is brass "hoarding"?
Quote from: red baron on April 03, 2017, 06:01:50 PM
At what point is brass "hoarding"?
New or spent?
When the floorboards start to flex under the weight might be an indicator. ;)
Quote from: red baron on April 03, 2017, 06:01:50 PM
At what point is brass "hoarding"?
When you look at the pile to be resized and say beast-with-two-backs it... I'll just buy another case of factory...
http://imgur.com/hsgnlGv
Quote from: Charlie98 on April 03, 2017, 06:22:26 PM
When you look at the pile to be resized and say beast-with-two-backs it... I'll just buy another case of factory...
http://imgur.com/hsgnlGv
I'm waaaaaaayyyyy beyond that. :P
Quote from: Bick on April 03, 2017, 06:06:01 PM
New or spent?
Spent silly, I won't ever have enough cash for too much new. ;D
Quote from: red baron on April 03, 2017, 06:36:37 PM
I'm waaaaaaayyyyy beyond that. :P
I had sort of a come to Jesus with myself... I kept about 10K of the 5.56mm that was decent (mostly LC/FC and PMC) and dumped the rest. I have about 8K 7.62mm that needs resized, and... the crux of it all... trimmed. I. Hate. Trimming. Brass. ...so I just order another case of LC. ;D ..but I
can't get rid of the empties, right? I'll reload them someday... I'm such a brass ho that I can't even bring myself to throw out my Berdan primed 7.62.
Yeah rifle brass is a lot more work, and it is work.
Yesterday was a brass day for me too, but I didn't accomplish much. 250 rounds of 338 Lapua FL sized, cleaned, dried, and primed.
Polymer 80 frames
Anyone chop one of these to shorten it to G19 size?
They are $70 at Brownells now
I like Brownell's!
Looks like a very cool store... [thumbsup]
Would love to visit it in person... if it didn't mean having to go to IOWA!
Modify your existing frame. All but my Gen 2, 17 are done.
Quote from: kopfjäger on April 04, 2017, 09:19:50 AM
Modify your existing frame. All but my Gen 2, 17 are done.
I'd rather try it first on a $70 BIY but good to know it's do-able.
Quote from: ducatiz on April 04, 2017, 09:35:08 AM
I'd rather try it first on a $70 BIY but good to know it's do-able.
Pretty much anyone that shoots my modded Glocks, sends theirs off to be done. I can run a stock frame, but it's no comparison.
Decided to try out a Surefire Warcomp on the new rifle. Waiting for it to get pinned/welded so I can bring it home.
;)
Quote from: kopfjäger on April 04, 2017, 11:02:23 AM
Pretty much anyone that shoots my modded Glocks, sends theirs off to be done. I can run a stock frame, but it's no comparison.
good to know. i thought it could be done (it's just PLASTIC) but had never thought of doing it.
And now, those Polymer 80 frames are about $60.
I altered the grip on both of my non-rtf2 glocks. The stippled/radiused Gen4 17 fits the hand wonderfully now.
Quote from: ducatiz on April 04, 2017, 09:00:25 AM
Polymer 80 frames
Anyone chop one of these to shorten it to G19 size?
They are $70 at Brownells now
I've had that frame in my hand. We were gonna mod one. The beaver tail is too straight', definitely needs some work to get it right. You know the deal though, ask a hundred guys get 90 different answers.
A pic from Google Earth...
Shop I was told I should check out...
I think not!
https://goo.gl/maps/mFbSzSt3vh82
Pic no show...
I wouldn't go there on a bet.
Google pic links are tricky to embed for some reason.
Quote from: ducpainter on April 07, 2017, 07:07:40 PM
I wouldn't go there on a bet.
Google pic links are tricky to embed for some reason.
Thinking any other shop the kid would be holding it in his ass like a popsicle stick! >:(
The Man
https://youtu.be/RnSPtQ9xD10
hmmm,
http://www.ruger.com/products/precisionRifle/specSheets/18019.html
Going on my first bird (chukar, pheasant, and grouse) hunt this coming Saturday.
Should be interesting. Friend is letting me borow a 20ga over under. Its probably been 27 years since I shot a shot gun.
Quote from: red baron on April 08, 2017, 06:40:37 PM
hmmm,
http://www.ruger.com/products/precisionRifle/specSheets/18019.html
Just curious, but why a .223?
Quote from: zach on April 09, 2017, 05:07:31 PM
Just curious, but why a .223?
6.5 Arisaka was probably too expensive
Quote from: DesmoDiva on April 09, 2017, 03:49:32 PM
Going on my first bird (chukar, pheasant, and grouse) hunt this coming Saturday.
Should be interesting. Friend is letting me borow a 20ga over under. Its probably been 27 years since I shot a shot gun.
Had a great time! Not sure if I actually hit anything; 4 people shooting at the same bird made it bit difficult to tell.
Our group shot the most birds out of any. 16 total. I brought home breasts and legs from 7 pheasant and 6 chukar, all but 2, dressed by myself.
Gun was nice just wish I had more than 2 shots at a time.
Definitely worth going again.
Ordered an 80% Glock frame. I was very excited when it arrived, right up until I remembered that it will not work with my Gen 4 slides [laugh] That's why I hadn't ordered one before...
Picked up a slide last night. I'm considering cutting the grip down for G26 mags, just for fun.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/Stuff/n-Mwq3P/i-tLSNgHz/0/L/i-tLSNgHz-L.jpg)
Quote from: DesmoDiva on April 15, 2017, 07:27:46 PM
Had a great time! Not sure if I actually hit anything; 4 people shooting at the same bird made it bit difficult to tell.
Our group shot the most birds out of any. 16 total. I brought home breasts and legs from 7 pheasant and 6 chukar, all but 2, dressed by myself.
Gun was nice just wish I had more than 2 shots at a time.
Definitely worth going again.
How do you get all the pellets out? One at a time the hard way?
Quote from: Monsterlover on April 17, 2017, 04:20:30 AM
How do you get all the pellets out? One at a time the hard way?
Yeah, mostly one at a time. Suprisingly there were not that many. Any thing that looked too mutalated/bloody I didn't bother harvesting.
The guide/dog trainer whose property we were on showed me how to check for shot by placing the meat in front of a light.
I got one too -- then realized the cost for just the parts for a G19 (internals, slide, barrel, etc) is more than what it costs to buy a used gen3 locally in a private sale.
Meanwhile, they are selling the original model for as little as $60.
Quote from: zach on April 16, 2017, 05:28:00 AM
Ordered an 80% Glock frame. I was very excited when it arrived, right up until I remembered that it will not work with my Gen 4 slides [laugh] That's why I hadn't ordered one before...
Picked up a slide last night. I'm considering cutting the grip down for G26 mags, just for fun.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/Stuff/n-Mwq3P/i-tLSNgHz/0/L/i-tLSNgHz-L.jpg)
I'm the first kid on my block to get my hands on one of the new March 10-60x 56mm scopes.
http://marchscopes.com/tactical-10-60-x-56-hm.html (http://marchscopes.com/tactical-10-60-x-56-hm.html)
(http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k445/majmontana/IMG_20170421_180701_edit_edit_zpsidmivu6f.jpg)
I just weaponized it with a Cooper 6.5 Creedmoor. Happy.
(http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k445/majmontana/IMG_20170423_093843_edit_edit_zpsyvqzlhg8.jpg)
Very nice!
Nice rig! That could take somebody's eye out, very far away ;)
Up in Chattanooga doing some work for Uncle Sugar. Went up to the Ranch to run some drills. First day on the gun since I busted an eardrum 3 weeks ago. First 10rds out of the gate, then I worked some movement, 1-1-1 drills, and some tight angle stuff at distance.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/0B8AF03B-D85C-4CD8-BE3C-897EB7C0D376.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/0B8AF03B-D85C-4CD8-BE3C-897EB7C0D376.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/8F5D0653-33F8-49AC-B71E-6EE5B8FD35EE.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/8F5D0653-33F8-49AC-B71E-6EE5B8FD35EE.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/7395F7F7-1F1E-4FB0-AFBE-7C7F6C65828A.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/7395F7F7-1F1E-4FB0-AFBE-7C7F6C65828A.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/9F3F8BD5-DBDB-49E7-8CDC-FD069C9E24A3.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/9F3F8BD5-DBDB-49E7-8CDC-FD069C9E24A3.jpg.html)
Little glass showed up today...
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Oh hell yeaah!
thought this might be of some interest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3FkAUbetWU
Quote from: lethe on April 28, 2017, 04:45:16 PM
thought this might be of some interest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3FkAUbetWU
That did not turn out the way I had expected.
Quote from: Monsterlover on May 02, 2017, 02:17:55 PM
That did not turn out the way I had expected.
he uploaded the new one yesterday and was able to defeat it with more velocity and a pointier stick
I need to send Casper a bill. ;D
(http://id.glock.com/assets/feed-posts/full-107241-8890780-full258744126428FBIMG1464094271102.jpg)
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z53/b_upton/IMG_3475_zpstyqghifu.jpg)
What's on top of the mag release?
Bolt release
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b500/RustyRooter/18670796_10150835993554964_6047697661813757760_n_zps5alrb4cg.jpg) (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/RustyRooter/media/18670796_10150835993554964_6047697661813757760_n_zps5alrb4cg.jpg.html)
I'm sure Chuck's not a shooter, and if you think a Glock isn't accurate enough, I believe Lucas will prove anyone' wrong.
https://youtu.be/Cl9pW43XWeg
I built a faux Glock ;D. The only Glock part is the barrel, and it's being replaced with a Barsto. Lonewolf frame and slide, Fire 4 Effect trigger, and ETS mags to keep the non Glock motif going. it is an awesome little pistol. Only 500 rounds through it so far, so I'm not carrying it yet. I'm running an RMR, but haven't found the right suppressor sights to go with it yet.
Quote from: kopfjäger on May 30, 2017, 03:57:40 PM
I'm sure Chuck's not a shooter, and if you think a Glock isn't accurate enough, I believe Lucas will prove anyone' wrong.
I don't know, and I don't care. I'm not a Glock guy. I've shot them, they are ok and I understand the justifiable praise they receive... they are just not for me. As much as I'm a 1911 guy, I don't carry one of those, either.
That's why they make so many different guns. Shoot whatever you like, if that's a stainless steel 357 Ruger, go for it. I always encourage students to shoot what they' like, not what I like. My point with the video of Lucas running a stock 19 is I've heard people say they aren't accurate. I believe that point has been refuted.
Are they a precision bullseye pistol? No, but Lucas could likely outshoot me at bullseye with the Glock regardless what I had.
Sometimes it's the Indian, not the arrow.
It's always' the Indian, always. ;)
https://www.ammoland.com/2017/04/ruger-introduces-an-integrally-suppressed-barrel-for-the-1022-takedown/#axzz4id29stae
Quote from: kopfjäger on May 30, 2017, 06:38:33 PM
That's why they make so many different guns. Shoot whatever you like, if that's a stainless steel 357 Ruger, go for it. I always encourage students to shoot what they' like, not what I like. My point with the video of Lucas running a stock 19 is I've heard people say they aren't accurate. I believe that point has been refuted.
Seriously? I crack on Glops and the Moonies that shoot them all I can, but it isn't because of accuracy... ;D
Bring whatever it is you prefer and come to AL, I'm here all the time. ;)
https://youtu.be/wzwVXA9J620
Quote from: kopfjäger on May 31, 2017, 07:55:18 AM
Bring whatever it is you prefer and come to AL, I'm here all the time. ;)
Where is that Major anyway? ;D
Quote from: red baron on May 31, 2017, 08:33:03 PM
Where is that Major anyway? ;D
He's flying around on his desk. :D
Quote from: kopfjäger on May 31, 2017, 07:55:18 AM
Bring whatever it is you prefer and come to AL, I'm here all the time. ;)
TBH, it's on the ToDo list...
Quote from: kopfjäger on May 31, 2017, 08:39:37 PM
He's flying around on his desk. :D
My desk does have the basic flight controls of an A320. ;)
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b486/acbick/IMG_20170601_082003_zpssbw93kvi.jpg~original)
Quote from: kopfjäger on May 31, 2017, 12:34:06 PM
https://youtu.be/wzwVXA9J620
Dude has no idea what he's doing... he's not holding the pistol sideways.
[laugh]
Quote from: kopfjäger on May 30, 2017, 03:57:40 PM
I'm sure Chuck's not a shooter,...
WRONG!
(http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/5/5a/InvasionUSApromo.jpg/300px-InvasionUSApromo.jpg)
[laugh] [laugh]
Set the range up for a class tomorrow, and burned it down for awhile.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/1C68F56C-0D07-49E5-B108-DAB1BF1186B9.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/1C68F56C-0D07-49E5-B108-DAB1BF1186B9.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/EFCEEBE1-3EB3-4D69-8A04-A5F16EE9092E_1.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/EFCEEBE1-3EB3-4D69-8A04-A5F16EE9092E_1.jpg.html)
Picked up a Walther PPQ .22 today. The can arrived a few weeks ago. This is my first 22 suppressor
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/Stuff/n-Mwq3P/i-d6ZVqhg/0/ce37ff20/L/i-d6ZVqhg-L.jpg)
Quote from: zach on June 03, 2017, 06:57:13 PM
Picked up a Walther PPQ .22 today. The can arrived a few weeks ago. This is my first 22 suppressor
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/Stuff/n-Mwq3P/i-d6ZVqhg/0/ce37ff20/L/i-d6ZVqhg-L.jpg)
are you running it with ss ammo?
I haven't yet. Will be trying it out this weekend
Great article on over cleaning guns.
https://primaryandsecondary.com/yes-experience-matters/
I would like to share this article with a certain Drill SGT from Ft. Jackson, 1999 ;D
A good read, thanks kopf.
Of course I don't own an AR but the well made point stands, clean less, lube more! ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»
Day 2 of a 4 day course in the books. Tons of carbine work, pistol starts tomorrow. Some pretty solid dudes from the other side of the ocean.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/48EF72F3-59C9-4E1F-93FB-BE59E564BF77.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/48EF72F3-59C9-4E1F-93FB-BE59E564BF77.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/4E696B06-9032-4636-8BE5-5BD245E5F41F.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/4E696B06-9032-4636-8BE5-5BD245E5F41F.jpg.html)
This drill is great for seeing what you gotta shoot first, then taking the gun to it.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/0D6F167F-173C-44DA-8760-B53F687816CC.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/0D6F167F-173C-44DA-8760-B53F687816CC.jpg.html)
Quote from: kopfjäger on June 14, 2017, 11:29:44 AM
Great article on over cleaning guns.
https://primaryandsecondary.com/yes-experience-matters/
Amen to that
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68486&page=10
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/692A4D67-67E0-4E6A-AD4E-A11C67FED4B8.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/692A4D67-67E0-4E6A-AD4E-A11C67FED4B8.jpg.html)
One of the multiple drills shot today. Some solid work from those guys today. I was doing a lot of fine tuning and unmake the beast with two backsing some institutional inbreeding and range theatrics.
Looks like a busy week at the office. [thumbsup]
Well that was fun, stopped by the local indoor to drop off some brass to a buddy and watched the Tursday night match for a few minutes until I got thwacked in the neck from a piece of a 230 grain slug, quickly followed by another piece in my ribcage.....time to go. ;D
Quote from: zach on June 14, 2017, 12:08:29 PM
I would like to share this article with a certain Drill SGT from Ft. Jackson, 1999 ;D
I've got a few at Leonard Wood that need a clue, too... after having to clean an already cleaned clean weapon that was just cleaned. I think Satan himself invented the dental pick... one little nugget of carbon, and back to the floor!
I don't really know if it was Basic, or just my general untidiness... but I hate cleaning weapons, and generally refuse to do so. That doesn't mean they aren't lubed and serviceable, mind you.
Just out of the box after a 7 month wait.
(http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k445/majmontana/IMG_20170616_174639_edit_zpsnebj4ojx.jpg~original)
(http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k445/majmontana/b79c23e2-e551-4a32-ba9b-7fa4fcf8788c_zpsawis59zi.jpg~original)
Finished up today. 38,000 9mm was the 2 day round count.
That is indeed a truckload of ammo!
How many shooting?
Quote from: GK on June 17, 2017, 01:30:04 AM
That is indeed a truckload of ammo!
How many shooting?
There was 18 guys in the class, plus the 2 of us. While teaching we don't shoot as much as the students, so the majority of it was them. Similar round count for the 5.56 the two previous days. If you see some bags' on the side of the road smoking, they're mine. ;) I'm beat down like a rented mule.
One must ask... Just how big of a stake do Frank & Kopf hold in Freedom?
Whoa mamma!
1900 round apiece. 950 per day.
Great work, no wonder you're shagged! 😆😆
Quote from: Bick on June 17, 2017, 07:24:10 AM
One must ask... Just how big of a stake do Frank & Kopf hold in Freedom?
If he doesn't, he should grab a slice of the action for sure! ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»
All of that ammo was from Precision Delta. Frank has a contract with them now. I'm still buying from Freedom though for myself. When I help with one of his classes, I shoot the free stuff. ;)
That's the way you do it, money for shooting and the brass for free! 😉😉
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;D
That's some funny shit, kopfjäger [thumbsup]
NRA says no more wheel guns or 1911's in level 1 CCW class. Uh oh.. :o
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/06/luis-valdes/nra-no-1911s-or-revolvers-in-carry-guard-training-classes/
Quote from: red baron on June 20, 2017, 06:50:06 AM
NRA says no more wheel guns or 1911's in level 1 CCW class. Uh oh.. :o
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/06/luis-valdes/nra-no-1911s-or-revolvers-in-carry-guard-training-classes/
derbying, I know, but...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZutdjKCSnEQ
I believe Bick has some gun related pics to post. ;D
Quote from: red baron on June 23, 2017, 06:53:12 AM
I believe Bick has some gun related pics to post. ;D
There were big guns. :o
They weren't exactly concealed. ;)
Quote from: Bick on June 23, 2017, 07:07:46 AM
There were big guns. :o
They weren't exactly concealed. ;)
Finger off the trigger. ;D
Quote from: red baron on June 23, 2017, 08:09:21 AM
Finger off the trigger. ;D
She did seem so nice!
Quote from: Bick on February 22, 2017, 04:40:23 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIpUUM8BZOI
Pew Pew
[evil]
Great job young man.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/07/01/alaska-boy-11-shoots-bear-charging-fishing-party.html
Quote from: kopfjäger on July 01, 2017, 06:48:42 PM
Great job young man.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/07/01/alaska-boy-11-shoots-bear-charging-fishing-party.html
Maybe he needs a Proctor sling. ;D
Well done, lad. [thumbsup]
I want a Robinson M96.
I have for years.
I found this listing on Armslist:
http://www.armslist.com/posts/6934975/kalamazoo-michigan-rifles-for-sale--robinson-armament-m96-expeditionary-rifle
Too good to be true.
Of course it is.
The photos (including the serial #) are from this Gunbroker auction:
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/658323119
I've already emailed the Gunbroker seller (who is a licensed dealer) and confirmed he had the gun and sold it to someone. The Armslist scammer ad says he's in Michigan, but told me in email he is in Norwalk, CT. The Gunbroker dealer is from NC and said he sold it to someone in Texas (shipped).
Anyhow. Back to the grind.
>:(
Other than the Alamake the beast with two backsinbama heat, good range session today.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/ACEA1C4B-E0B5-44D3-A15A-045FB85486BB.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/ACEA1C4B-E0B5-44D3-A15A-045FB85486BB.jpg.html)
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How frickin' long does it take to approve a stupid little stamp for my hearing protection device?!!! [bang] [bang] [bang]
Quote from: Bick on July 15, 2017, 04:34:11 PM
How frickin' long does it take to approve a stupid little stamp for my hearing protection device?!!! [bang] [bang] [bang]
Don't go there Major. :-*
Quote from: ducpainter on July 15, 2017, 05:42:25 PM
Don't go there Major. :-*
Not discussing the policy, just expressing the frustration of the waiting. [bang]
Quote from: Bick on July 15, 2017, 07:55:54 PM
Not discussing the policy, just expressing the frustration of the waiting. [bang]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NwP3wes4M8
Not as exciting as a can or FotzeJager's shootouts...
I picked up a (nother) Ruger Mark 2 target in a pawn shop in south Virginia. nearly perfect condition, very low round count. I'm going to have this one cut for a can. I bought up all that 60gr subsonic.. I should use it...
(https://durys.s3.amazonaws.com/25078/img_1928.jpg)
He also had a Whitworth mauser in 243 -- it's a CZ action with a Mannlicher stock. They only wanted $225 for it, and I'm kicking myself for not getting it. They were imported by Interarms in the 80s-90s and this one was beautiful. If it had been in .308, I would have gotten it without thinking, but even in 243, it's a good gun... It was $225 and I hesitated.. argh. 95% of these that you find have a standard sporter/American hunter stock. The Mannlicher versions are hard to find.
Teaching again Saturday, so I'm on the gun hard every day this week. Since I'm not teaching during these sessions, I can cover a lot of ground in a two hour window. You gotta put the work in to get better.
Have you ever competed??
Quote from: GK on July 18, 2017, 01:42:49 PM
Have you ever competed??
Depends on exactly what you mean.
Quote from: kopfjäger on July 18, 2017, 01:51:08 PM
Depends on exactly what you mean.
I think he means IDPA/USPSA games.
;)
Quote from: GK on July 18, 2017, 01:42:49 PM
Have you ever competed??
He's still here. ;D
Quote from: kopfjäger on July 18, 2017, 01:51:08 PM
Depends on exactly what you mean.
kop, what are you doing over there?
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/alabama-man-kills-820-pound-wild-hog-front-yard-gun/
Damn! That's a big make the beast with two backsing pig.
Quote from: ducpainter on July 18, 2017, 02:50:58 PM
I think he means IDPA/USPSA games.
Yes, and IPSC etc.
I saw kopf' wink right there! Enough said I guess! Lol!
IDPA looks very interesting, nothing like that here, as very few, only law enforcement or special security officers can conceal and carry.
IPSC is the go mostly.
I've wanted one of these for some time, and finally decided to give in and buy one. Chiappa Rhino, 4" .357 Magnum.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/Stuff/n-Mwq3P/i-9MmXpJ9/0/048cd7b8/L/i-9MmXpJ9-L.jpg)
Man, they've got some really cool stuff!
Some of these mag ext coming for the G43. [thumbsup]
(http://id.glock.com/assets/feed-posts/full-100127-8745247-G43ext3.jpg)
Quote from: zach on July 21, 2017, 05:45:53 PM
I've wanted one of these for some time, and finally decided to give in and buy one. Chiappa Rhino, 4" .357 Magnum.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/Stuff/n-Mwq3P/i-9MmXpJ9/0/048cd7b8/L/i-9MmXpJ9-L.jpg)
Did you remove the tracking chip?
1st mod I made ;D
Anyone use stuff from these guys before?
https://www.hevishot.com/catalog/hevi-duty/
Quote from: Bick on July 25, 2017, 04:41:07 PM
Anyone use stuff from these guys before?
https://www.hevishot.com/catalog/hevi-duty/
Flax seed, what is this some hippie sheet?
(https://www.hevishot.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Product_cross_HeviDuty.jpg)
Just a quick video of Bob and Eric, to make you feel good about your shooting skills. ;)
https://youtu.be/Colj8lv3oZM
Great stuff!
Quote from: zach on July 24, 2017, 06:17:56 PM
Muskrat [laugh]
Asshole. Got pulled over twice already. Now I know who to pay back [evil]
Dry fire...Dry fire...Dry fire. If you're too lazy to to go to the range or your life is a train wreck and you just don't have the time, you can dry fire. 10-15mins everyday' will improve your skills immensely. You can practice the following.
Draw stroke
Acquiring sights (sight alingnment, sight picture)
Multiple target indexing
Mag changes (tactical and reduced capacity)
Pretty much anything you can think of.
And it doesn't cost you a dime!
;)
Wrong choice? http://americangg.net/sig-p320-drop-safe/
Glock looks a lot better right now.
Quote from: Zaster on August 08, 2017, 09:01:56 PM
Wrong choice? http://americangg.net/sig-p320-drop-safe/
Glock looks a lot better right now.
Your call I guess. If you have a SIG in that series......don't drop it hot'.
Quote from: kopfjäger on August 08, 2017, 09:10:21 PM
Your call I guess. If you have a SIG in that series......don't drop it hot'.
I try not to drop any firearms... That's just me. Gun control. ;)
Quote from: Bick on August 08, 2017, 09:14:52 PM
I try not to drop any firearms... That's just me. Gun control. ;)
Well there is that' part of the equation. :D
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That would be much better without the script. Underlying message that only a few would get. ;)
Done!
:D It actually makes it funnier.
Quote from: Speeddog on August 08, 2017, 03:41:31 PM
And it doesn't cost you a dime!
Lies, it cost me a G17 this week as someone living here claimed it for her own.
Quote from: red baron on August 09, 2017, 07:32:06 PM
Lies, it cost me a G17 this week as someone living here claimed it for her own.
You are probably better off with it in the hands of Mrs. Baron. [cheeky]
Sadly true. ;D
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Finished my first AR-10 today. I originally intended to build a 6.5x47 Lapua, but I ended up with 6.5CM. Will likely build another upper in Lapua later.
Test firing tomorrow to make sure everything works, then will disassemble and lap the upper receiver. I'm also planning on bedding the barrel extension with Loctite 680 retaining compound.
Quote from: zach on August 10, 2017, 06:13:02 PM
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Finished my first AR-10 today. I originally intended to build a 6.5x47 Lapua, but I ended up with 6.5CM. Will likely build another upper in Lapua later.
Test firing tomorrow to make sure everything works, then will disassemble and lap the upper receiver. I'm also planning on bedding the barrel extension with Loctite 680 retaining compound.
might be nice to invite a friend to look over or even go shoot.................my next is a 6.5 so I'll need data ASAP
Quote from: muskrat on August 11, 2017, 06:54:54 PM
might be nice to invite a friend to look over or even go shoot.................my next is a 6.5 so I'll need data ASAP
Went to the range today with bullethead. Rifle shot very well, but I'm having issues with the bolt catch. Will replace tomorrow. Only shot 20 rounds, but I really like it. minimal POI shift with the suppressor too [thumbsup] Only fired it out to 100 yards, then spent the rest of the day shooting the 338 at 1k. Bullethead was killing an 8" target with a 20" 308. His little midget rifle is fun.
I got a few 1k hits with my 5.56 AR, but the wind was giving me issues. Shot 100 rounds of 338, but that is all I had loaded.
I'll be going back in a week or two with bullethead and Ronr. I'll call you and give you a time. We shoot at TacPro.
Quote from: muskrat on August 11, 2017, 06:54:54 PM
my next is a 6.5 so I'll need data ASAP
I've got a little data with the 142grn SMK...
Quote from: zach on August 10, 2017, 06:13:02 PM
Test firing tomorrow to make sure everything works, then will disassemble and lap the upper receiver. I'm also planning on bedding the barrel extension with Loctite 680 retaining compound.
Rocksett > Loctite
680 has a max temp of 300F.
You're going to exceed that pretty quickly at the barrel extension. Rocksett goes up to 2000F.
(http://id.glock.com/assets/feed-posts/full-100127-6914824-IMG6356.JPG)
Quote from: zach on August 11, 2017, 07:09:01 PM
Went to the range today with bullethead. Rifle shot very well, but I'm having issues with the bolt catch. Will replace tomorrow. Only shot 20 rounds, but I really like it. minimal POI shift with the suppressor too [thumbsup] Only fired it out to 100 yards, then spent the rest of the day shooting the 338 at 1k. Bullethead was killing an 8" target with a 20" 308. His little midget rifle is fun.
I got a few 1k hits with my 5.56 AR, but the wind was giving me issues. Shot 100 rounds of 338, but that is all I had loaded.
I'll be going back in a week or two with bullethead and Ronr. I'll call you and give you a time. We shoot at TacPro.
sounds good.
https://youtu.be/bOj_d8I_U1o
Quote from: ducatiz on August 12, 2017, 07:50:12 PM
Rocksett > Loctite
680 has a max temp of 300F.
You're going to exceed that pretty quickly at the barrel extension. Rocksett goes up to 2000F.
I thought the same thing. Apparently lots of PRS guys are using Loctite Blue, whick is also 300F. Alexander Arms supposedly uses it too. I hadn't considered Rocksett. That might be the way to go. Thanks [thumbsup]
You fellas better get busy. ;)
https://youtu.be/5o5_M2rw5mg
https://youtu.be/UgrrC9QPpfg
Quote from: zach on August 13, 2017, 02:38:55 PM
I thought the same thing. Apparently lots of PRS guys are using Loctite Blue, whick is also 300F. Alexander Arms supposedly uses it too. I hadn't considered Rocksett. That might be the way to go. Thanks [thumbsup]
Loctite 272 goes to 450F and may be sufficient. Rocksett is what you use if you never intend for it to come off.
I bed mine with grease. LOL.
Seems to be the definition of "Schooled by a 13 year old girl"
Burn it down.
https://youtu.be/BczhT1ByrXA
Area 1 Championship
https://youtu.be/8RF7vZtc5Fw
I'm working in Round Rock this week. Had to stop in and say hello.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/Stuff/n-Mwq3P/i-HpTR7wJ/0/4146608f/L/i-HpTR7wJ-L.jpg)
Nice, grab a souvenir [thumbsup]
Quote from: kopfjäger on August 14, 2017, 10:24:06 PM
Burn it down.
https://youtu.be/BczhT1ByrXA
congratulations, dumbasses. you just burned out a barrel and blew $500 in ammo.
so impressed. [puke]
Quote from: ducatiz on August 15, 2017, 09:26:34 AM
congratulations, dumbasses. you just burned out a barrel and blew $500 in ammo.
so impressed. [puke]
I'm pretty sure they were doing a full on failure test. I believe the Marines or Military in general is looking to use suppressors on belt guns. Test it to total failure so you know what your product will withstand. That way you can let Uncle Sugar know.
Quote from: kopfjäger on August 15, 2017, 09:37:03 AM
I'm pretty sure they were doing a full on failure test. I believe the Marines or Military in general is looking to use suppressors on belt guns. Test it to total failure so you know what your product will withstand. That way you can let Uncle Sugar know.
I guess that's a little different but it just makes me sad. They didn't even kill anything.
Quote from: ducatiz on August 15, 2017, 12:58:07 PM
I guess that's a little different but it just makes me sad. They didn't even kill anything.
That can doesn't look like it lived ;D
:D
At the very least they shoulda slipped a pipe on that red-hot barrel and bent it to shoot around corners.
Quote from: Speeddog on August 15, 2017, 09:43:58 PM
At the very least they shoulda slipped a pipe on that red-hot barrel and bent it to shoot around corners.
There's one of these in the Berman Museum here in town.
https://www.forgottenweapons.com/krummlauf-curved-barrel-stg44-at-ria/
There was a curved barrel version of the M3 back in the day. You'll have to google the pic.
Quote from: kopfjäger on August 15, 2017, 09:52:46 PM
There was a curved barrel version of the M3 back in the day. You'll have to google the pic.
Yeah, those are the pics I remember seeing.
Quote from: kopfjäger on August 15, 2017, 09:52:46 PM
There was a curved barrel version of the M3 back in the day. You'll have to google the pic.
(http://14544-presscdn-0-64.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/M3_sub-machine_gun_with_a_curved_barrel_for_shooting_around_corners_1953.jpg)
Designed in Queensland! 😆
The dude doesn't look too sure about it.
How many were produced?
Quote from: GK on August 16, 2017, 01:22:46 PM
Designed in Queensland! 😆
The dude doesn't look too sure about it.
How many were produced?
I can't find numbers on the curved barrel gun, but these are the overall M3 numbers.
Produced 1943â€"1945
No. built 622,163;
606,694 M3
15,469 M3A1
Quote from: GK on August 16, 2017, 01:22:46 PM
The dude doesn't look too sure about it.
I would feel the same way. :o
Picked up an M&P 2.0, Apex trigger goodies (that stock trigger is horrendous) WOTG sights as with all my guns. I got it because more and more students are showing up with them, so I wanted to have an educated answer when questions arise. I put over 1,500 rounds through it so far. I really like the metal mags and they fly outta the gun like shit through a goose.
It shoots good, but it's not better than a Glock by any means and it's eating me up on combat reloads, but that make the beast with two backsers not gonna win. I'm gonna keep running it hard for another 3-5k. I'll make my final call at that point.
I just picked up a 300 blk HBAR barrel. I have an LRB upper and lower and have been mulling what to make with them.
Everyone says 300blk is the shit, I'll try it. Takes me about 30 minutes to pull a barrel now...
Anyone have any FHE with running this caliber with an Adams Arms piston system?
No experience with the Adams but I really like my BCM 300.
Quote from: kopfjäger on August 17, 2017, 03:45:01 PM
Picked up an M&P 2.0, Apex trigger goodies (that stock trigger is horrendous) WOTG sights as with all my guns. I got it because more and more students are showing up with them, so I wanted to have an educated answer when questions arise. I put over 1,500 rounds through it so far. I really like the metal mags and they fly outta the gun like shit through a goose.
It shoots good, but it's not better than a Glock by any means and it's eating me up on combat reloads, but that make the beast with two backsers not gonna win. I'm gonna keep running it hard for another 3-5k. I'll make my final call at that point.
Looking forward to the later review kopf.
I'm considering one of these.
Quote from: Bick on August 17, 2017, 07:53:06 PM
No experience with the Adams but I really like my BCM 300.
I have it on a 5.45 setup. All the 5.45 milsurp is dirty as hell and it deals with it beautifully. The gas setup on the 5.45 is pretty much identical to the 5.56, but 300blk has different issues. Their site says it works fine, but my 300blk barrel has a mid length gas port.. I don't know if pushing the piston requires the same amount of gas as a DI setup........
How much training are you' doing?
https://youtu.be/8RZSK1HArCM
Got a fantastic shot of the eclipse this past week... My pic doesn't look like everyone else's, but I like mine better, plus I don't need to wear special glasses.
(http://i.imgur.com/x98ga7M.jpg)
Story of my weekend... shooting long-range targets up in WY. My wife has accused me of running out of elevation once or twice, I guess she's right. The .348WCF made it out to 800yds, but I couldn't get to 1200.
(http://i.imgur.com/3T27WVm.jpg)
Nice [thumbsup] 8 to 12 is a big jump, especially if your wind calls are weak, and even then it ain't no joke.
Quote from: kopfjäger on August 22, 2017, 10:28:06 AM
Nice [thumbsup] 8 to 12 is a big jump, especially if your wind calls are weak, and even then it ain't no joke.
Biggest problem was the spotter couldn't see the bullet strikes... it had rained the day before and it wasn't dry enough. I probably could have sighted over the top of the rear aperture, but without any spotter feedback it was a crap shoot.
Quote from: Charlie98 on August 22, 2017, 09:17:40 PM
Biggest problem was the spotter couldn't see the bullet strikes... it had rained the day before and it wasn't dry enough. I probably could have sighted over the top of the rear aperture, but without any spotter feedback it was a crap shoot.
Well there is that. Working at that distance, you really need a lot of experience on the glass. (Meaning sometimes you don't get to shoot, but your skill can put another shooter on the target). You have got to be able to see trace all the way in. I can spend all day on glass. I love reading and calling winds at distance, spent countless hundreds of hours working on it. I consider it an art. There are those days though when nothing seems to make sense.
Quote from: kopfjäger on August 22, 2017, 09:49:13 PM
Well there is that. Working at that distance, you really need a lot of experience on the glass. (Meaning sometimes you don't get to shoot, but your skill can put another shooter on the target). You have got to be able to see trace all the way in. I can spend all day on glass. I love reading and calling winds at distance, spent countless hundreds of hours working on it. I consider it an art. There are those days though when nothing seems to make sense.
One of the guys was shooting .45-70 at 1244yds and there were 3 of us spotting... trying to pick it up. We finally figured at that distance, with his light Unique load under a 405grn bullet... the bullets were dropping in vs skipping off the ground.
Quote from: Charlie98 on August 24, 2017, 07:22:02 AM
One of the guys was shooting .45-70 at 1244yds and there were 3 of us spotting... trying to pick it up. We finally figured at that distance, with his light Unique load under a 405grn bullet... the bullets were dropping in vs skipping off the ground.
Exsquueze me' Not positive what max ord' is with that round, but it's up there. You need someone looking for trace, and someone looking for splash when you're reaching out that far.
Solid work with the 2.0 today. 500rds running a bunch of different drills, lots of movement today. Mag changes are starting to come around, but still not as clean as the Glock. I do like it though. Gen 5 Glocks are coming soon. Ambi slide release (make the beast with two backs lefties), no more stupid finger grooves, magwell is slightly flared and a better barrel.
Quote from: kopfjäger on August 24, 2017, 02:43:32 PMGen 5 Glocks are coming soon.
Oh yeah? They finally got the M Series issues sorted?
Ah.
https://youtu.be/5ypvDS18V5o
Noob question. How come mutli shot rifles all seem to use a magazine (or an extra barrel)? Why aren't there revolver rifles?
Quote from: 77south on August 25, 2017, 07:38:39 AM
Noob question. How come mutli shot rifles all seem to use a magazine (or an extra barrel)? Why aren't there revolver rifles?
Capacity, ease of carrying multiple magazines, reloading, etc.. Colt made the first one, I believe. Here's a few links.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt%27s_New_Model_Revolving_rifle
http://www.cimarron-firearms.com/products/long-guns/repeating-rifles-1/revolving-carbine-1.html
Quote from: 77south on August 25, 2017, 07:38:39 AM
Noob question. How come mutli shot rifles all seem to use a magazine (or an extra barrel)? Why aren't there revolver rifles?
There is the issue of the cylinder/barrel gap... the however small space between the end of the cylinder and the forcing cone of the barrel. Cast lead bullets spit lead out from this gap in pistols, and in any event, a certain amount of blast (gasses) escape through this gap; a high-powered rifle would be... uh, extraordinary! Additionally, a revolver's cylinder must be 'timed' so that it properly lines up with the barrel's bore, and also the issue of all that lockwork wearing under recoil and use.
Keep the notes on the 2.0 coming kopf! ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»
QuoteCast lead bullets spit lead out from this gap in pistols, and in any event, a certain amount of blast (gasses) escape through this gap; a high-powered rifle would be... uh, extraordinary!
So, you're saying when I commission a revolver-style .60 nitro express elephant gun from Holland and Holland, I shouldn't get it made in a bullpup configuration?
(http://id.glock.com/assets/feed-posts/full-100127-8791642-IMG6366.JPG)
Time I got to work on these buckets. :P
Get busy.
Quote from: 77south on August 25, 2017, 07:55:40 PM
So, you're saying when I commission a revolver-style .60 nitro express elephant gun from Holland and Holland, I shouldn't get it made in a bullpup configuration?
Nope, I say go for it! It'll certainly be one of a kind, and it will make it special to whomever gets it after you are decapitated.
A 'revolver bullpup.' Now... I hadn't even thought about that! I still can't get used to the idea of an M1a bullpup, so... what the hell? Why not?
Quote from: red baron on August 26, 2017, 07:22:00 AM
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Time I got to work on these buckets. :P
That there is some brass! Lol!
A bit of variety too! ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»
Another 300 through the M&P today. Mag changes were eating me up again today. I'm gonna win damnit. :D
Quote from: kopfjäger on August 28, 2017, 04:59:05 PM
Another 300 through the M&P today. Mag changes were eating me up again today. I'm gonna win damnit. :D
the cosmos way of telling you to get a G19Gen5.
;D
Quote from: red baron on August 28, 2017, 05:30:51 PM
the cosmos way of telling you to get a G19Gen5.
;D
Oh don't you worry, the minute I can order one I will. ;) I'm still gonna run this make the beast with two backser hard no matter what. "I got nowhere else to go, I got no where else to ge"
Quote from: kopfjäger on August 28, 2017, 07:20:57 PM
Oh don't you worry, the minute I can order one I will. ;) I'm still gonna run this make the beast with two backser hard no matter what. "I got nowhere else to go, I got no where else to ge"
OK, Mayonnaise.
;)
Are you the officer, gentleman or both?? Lol!
I'm sure you'll be buttery smooth on the 2.0 mag changes lickity split!
Quote from: GK on August 29, 2017, 05:05:43 AM
Are you the officer, gentleman or both?? Lol!
Them's fightin' words... ;D
Quote from: GK on August 29, 2017, 05:05:43 AM
Are you the officer, gentleman or both?
He's the cheap prostitute
[laugh]
Quote from: Bick on August 28, 2017, 07:39:46 PM
OK, Mayonnaise.
Don't you owe us some long range shots?
Fondled a Gen5 G19 today. That thing had a really nice trigger on it; much smoother than any stock Glock trigger I have felt.
Back in Alabama today and ran another 300 through the 2.0. I'll betcha a dollar I did an ass load of 1-1-1 drills, among other things. I'm not gonna run any of the other guns till I hit the 5k mark. Wilson Combat is tricking out some Glocks I see. Yeah I'm in. 8)
https://www.wilsoncombat.com/glock-custom-work/#customize
Mag changes coming along nicely???
Quote from: GK on September 02, 2017, 03:02:51 AM
Mag changes coming along nicely???
It's a work in progress. Not quite sure what the issue is exactly. Stopped at a gun shop today (have I mentioned how much I dislike them? make the beast with two backsing gun geeks) to look at the Gen5 Glock and the Gen4 with factory cocking serrations on the front of the slide. Not sure which way I'm gonna go, but I'll probably end up with 2 new guns.
Quote from: kopfjäger on September 02, 2017, 10:55:16 AM
Not sure which way I'm gonna go
Gen5 17 & 19, then mill front serrations in the slide.
You're welcome
;D
There's that, but then you have to cut around the word Glock. Annoys my eye. I might just cut one of the blanks I have, and send the frame to Wilson. Oh and I don't even shoot my 17 anymore, since I don't carry it. "Train to win the fight"
Quote from: kopfjäger on September 02, 2017, 10:55:16 AMIt's a work in progress. Not quite sure what the issue is exactly.
I'm sure you'll get it sorted, you're quite the persistent bloke! ðŸ'ðŸ»
Sounds like you're spoilt for gun choices. ðŸ'ðŸ»Wish it were so here.
Enjoy the continuing practise and deliberations! ðŸ'ðŸ»
250 today. A bunch of aim small miss small drills. Single shots from the holster (my nemesis). Might have figured something out with the M&P. (?) That gun has a frame plug tool that sticks out of the bottom of the magwell (holds the interchangeable back straps on). It seems to to suck my eye in, so I removed it and dry fired the make the beast with two backs out of it the past few days. Seemed to help today, now I have to figure out some sort of plug that fits flush, to keep the back strap on. I'll probably cut one down.
Why are you looking at the gun?
Head up, eyes up, gun up, right?
;D
Mag changes, but you knew that.
Even at super human speed, like Dave's capable of, you'll never see him not look at the magwell.
https://youtu.be/CkKc2w2sPxs
1:13 was blazing. [thumbsup]
Quote from: red baron on September 05, 2017, 08:23:11 PM
1:13 was blazing. [thumbsup]
I can't really train much harder than I am these days, and I will never be capable of that speed.
My G43 mag changes are like Bob's when in slo mo. [laugh]
Quote from: red baron on September 05, 2017, 08:37:54 PM
My G43 mag changes are like Bob's when in slo mo. [laugh]
Dave is faster in slo-mo than 90% of the shooters on the planet. :D
1-1-1 x 100. I like the way this gun shoots, but I'm thinking it's gonna lose out. Should hit the 5k round count this week.
Quote from: kopfjäger on September 05, 2017, 08:18:49 PM
Even at super human speed, like Dave's capable of, you'll never see him not look at the magwell.
https://youtu.be/CkKc2w2sPxs
F F F F Fast!
Smooth as silk.
https://youtu.be/3yReIGUV9UE
500 more rds through the M&P past two days. I'll hit the 5k mark on Monday (weather dependent. Pretty aggressive work with it today.
Quote from: kopfjäger on September 09, 2017, 01:58:37 PM
500 more rds through the M&P past two days. I'll hit the 5k mark on Monday (weather dependent. Pretty aggressive work with it today.
And?
Quote from: DRKWNG on September 09, 2017, 04:28:35 PM
And?
Not gonna make the call till I finish the trial round count. (Although I'm betting I go back to the Glock)
You've had Glocks for a long time right? It'd take something pretty special to trump one.
You're giving it a crack though! Lol!
Quote from: GK on September 12, 2017, 02:23:34 AM
You've had Glocks for a long time right? It'd take something pretty special to trump one.
You're giving it a crack though! Lol!
Yeah, I've had them since the Gen2. I still have that 17. I got rained out yesterday, but I pre ordered the M&P 2.0 Compact, which is the exact size of the Glock 19. (15+1 v 17+1) it is 4" v 4.25. I've always been able to run a 19 smoother than a 17, so I'm thinking this' is gonna be the ticket. I don't think you' can go wrong with the M&P, like I've said for years, 'shooters solution'. I'm looking forward to getting my hands on the new gun. (I'm betting it cleans up my mag changes)
Sounds good Mate! ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»
I'm looking forward to the reviews of it once you've got a range day or four under your belt! 😉😉
Off to the range tomorrow.
Been 6 weeks so I expect to be very rusty!
Quote from: GK on September 15, 2017, 06:20:38 AM
Off to the range tomorrow.
Been 6 weeks so I expect to be very rusty!
Get some dry fire in first! [thumbsup]
As it turns out, I outshot everyone (in our short and simple club shoot) despite the layoff.
First I shot the Sig .22, Then a friend's Glock, then the club USP.
Glock was the fastest over the
.22 by half a second, then the USP half a second behind the .22.
I was happy with that. ðŸ'ðŸ»
Good deal, sounds like it was a good outing.
I enjoyed it for sure.
Because I often shoot a .22, I get cheeky comments about it being easier to shoot with low recoil etc, etc....
So I like to follow that round up with a 9mm or two! ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»
Back on the Glock today. 250rds, multiple drills. The difference in mag changes is huge (for me). On the way home the shop called and I went by and picked up the new M&P. I gotta change out the sights and trigger, then I'll put it through it's paces. I do like these guns, so I'm hoping the smaller frame will smooth out the mag changes for me. Either way, I now have an educated answer.
Solid work today. A lot of shooting on the move drills. You can't stand still in a gunfight, and you can only move as fast as you can accurately engage the threat. Went by the gunsmith on the way home, and got all the trigger goodies put in the compact 2.0. The full-size 2.0 is still eating me up on mag changes. I've done thousands of dry ones with the new gun, and believe it might be the ticket. I'll find out tomorrow.
“If you have no awareness, you have no chance...
You can't create a solution if you don't see the problem...
Mindset is everything...
Pretending the world isn't getting more and more violent ensures
you'll have zero awareness and therefore zero preparednessâ€
Quote from: kopfjäger on October 10, 2017, 04:21:18 PM
Pretending the world isn't getting more and more violent ...
People have no idea.... They bury their heads in the nightly news BS shows and forget everything.
I put it through it's paces today. Distance, multiples, movement, and a bunch of mag changes. Not sure why, but the reloads (Combat, emergency call it whatever the make the beast with two backs you want) are smoother with the smaller frame for me. Not a clue why, angle of the magwell, the way my eye picks it up? So be it.
“He likes it, hey Mikeyâ€
So, you can't go wrong with the 2.0 in either size. The Compact will be much more user friendly for EDC, but that's all shooter solution. Carry whatever you're comfortable with, but you absolutely have to 'train'. Get out of your comfort zone, shoot drills you suck at. (I've got many)
Thanks for the continued updates Kopf!
The smaller frame model isn't available here for standard shooters down under.
Also our approach to gun use and pistols in particular, let's just say is somewhat different to your nation.
I prefer your way personally, but most citizens here would find such thinking abhorrent!
I glad the compact is working well for you. Internet reviews for the M&P 2.0 range are good.
You should do some internet stuff, or would that be cutting off another revenue stream??
Let's not get all political please.
Quote from: GK on October 11, 2017, 11:51:03 PM
You should do some internet stuff, or would that be cutting off another revenue stream??
Wait....what...isn't this the interweb? :D
Quote from: ducpainter on October 12, 2017, 03:16:21 AM
Let's not get all political please.
Referring to my post I guess DP, but seriously I was trying to have a conversation that carefully conveyed things down under, without talking politics!
Quote from: GK on October 12, 2017, 11:52:11 PM
Referring to my post I guess DP, but seriously I was trying to have a conversation that carefully conveyed things down under, without talking politics!
We're aware of your situation, and it isn't anything but political.
Guns please.
Well you are the judge so I whether I agree with you or not, I stand corrected.
Was watching some YouTube vids of blokes getting great deals on various firearms (longarms) at Walmart.
Shotguns for $100 or so! Amazing!
Admittedly, the quality wasn't the best, but for a truck or knockabout gun, you have heaps of options! ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»
I guess there's a plethora of manufacturers there. We have Lithgow Arms that makes great quality rifles and has recently secured a deal to get semi auto rifles to your market. IIRC, they're a version of the Aussie military rifle!
I'm not sure how our military rifles go in the real world of combat. kopf????
Quote from: GK on October 14, 2017, 05:13:13 PM
I'm not sure how our military rifles go in the real world of combat. kopf????
They have pretty much all the goodies out there. I'm not a fan of their service rifle (Austyer). Not sure how they feel, but I have an idea. The selection process they developed, was adopted by our SF. I'd like to thank them for the torture I went through in selection....twice. [bang]
Lol! Our Armed forces say 'You're welcome!'
The first gen styer was quite heavy, but has since been somewhat lightened since.
Now that S&W has come out with the M&P2.0, prices on the old version are cheap. I just picked up a 9mm Shield for $239 shipped, and it qualifies for the "bonus" from S&W -- sending me two boxes of ammo, and an extra mag.
Can't beat that. [thumbsup]
Cheap firearms - ah America! ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»
Quote from: GK on October 17, 2017, 10:46:22 PM
Cheap firearms - ah America! ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»
It's a market thing. People thought the election would go differently
(not getting into the discussion, just referring to the phenomena) and manufacturers ramped up production and are now selling off the surplus stuff that didn't sell.
The price of a full AR15 rifle is now as low as $350-375. Unheard of.
That's incredible pricing!
Enjoy the bargains while you can! ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»
Just finished teaching a 4 day class at WOTG. Solid group of guys, mix of Military, LEO and civilians. 2 days of carbine and 2 days of pistol. Good times.
ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»
kopf, I don't actually have a bucket list.
But if I did, doing a week of training/shooting with you would be on it! ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»
https://youtu.be/67-05vsxrvQ
Serious dudes right there!
Quote from: GK on October 22, 2017, 01:33:26 PM
Serious dudes right there!
Seriously make the beast with two backsing nuts! ;)
You should redo a version with kopf voiceover, would be very funny!
It takes a SF nutter to recognize one I guess! 😜
Quote from: GK on October 22, 2017, 01:47:42 PM
It takes a SF nutter to recognize one I guess! 😜
Shooting in, around, over, beside and in very close proximity is normal, but directly at each other is just a recipe for disaster. Nothing really good can come from it, only bad. I get it, but I don't get it. ;)
Ah those crazy Ruskies! Lol!
Happy Halloween...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BO_msU8gAcU
Poor ole pumpkin 🎃
Quote from: kopfjäger on October 31, 2017, 02:08:55 PM
Poor ole pumpkin 🎃
(http://cdn.smosh.com/sites/default/files/ftpuploads/bloguploads/1013/linus-sign-pumpkin-patch.jpg)
It was a trap! [evil]
Jack held out for a bit, but in the final analysis, didn't really stand a chance! Lol!
Absurd speed, race gun or not. Granted he's not doing slidelock reloads, but still, make the beast with two backsing amazing. Something that I've preached for years (today actually with a young pipe hitter) is the focus shift of the eyes. From threat/tgt to gun to threat, even at this absurd speed he is doing this. Why you ask, cuz you gotta look/glance/see the magwell to get clean smooth reloads. It even breaks down further than that, but ya gotta come shoot with me to really drive it home.
https://youtu.be/BJhXpukUV_Y
Yes Sir, that is freakishly fast!
ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»
Holy crap
He's done it before I think.
EDC. I've mentioned this before.
Gun
Extra mag
Knife
Flashlight
Cigarette lighter
I recently added a tourniquet to the mix. I'm carrying the R.A.T.S. right now, but the SOF-TT, is also excellent. (Dry fire it' too)
I work in an industry that can remove your finger/arm/leg faster than you can blink. I've been carrying a RATS for a year now. I'm told they aren't the best for head injuries though ;D
Nope. :D
Quote from: zach on November 07, 2017, 10:28:42 AM
I'm told they aren't the best for head injuries though ;D
[laugh]
Quote from: Bick on October 31, 2017, 01:32:57 PM
Happy Halloween...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BO_msU8gAcU
When do we get a range report on the AR10? [evil]
Quote from: red baron on November 11, 2017, 06:23:52 PM
When do we get a range report on the AR10? [evil]
It has one job. It does that job very well. [evil]
A in depth report will be presented when you show up, throw rounds down range, and write said report. [cheeky]
What's the best match grade 308 for a Ruger Mark IV? Yes the recall has been done just want to dial it in at "full" power.
Best? Reloads. Best factory ammo? Depends on what your rifle likes. My AI 308 likes Black Hills 175gr
I'm not doing reloads, everything is in the attic gathering dust. [coffee]
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOHeYS_XcAAcdA0.jpg:large)
I've run em hard from the bed of a Hilux, but never on a scooter.
Gotta love the backpack in the doorway. [thumbsup]
Yep, that dude is ready for action!
https://youtu.be/PsexKLYtCkI
This is make the beast with two backsing awesome. :D
https://youtu.be/RX68se4FMs4
Been getting after it pretty hard. Trained a bunch of pipe hitters last week. Not sure where my round count is on the 2.0 compact. Probably around 10-12k, I'm really liking this gun. I've been switching back and forth with the 19, and like I said before you can't go wrong with either. (Shooters solution) I've also picked up a gig training an actress for an upcoming movie roll.
Good to hear the 2.0 is still one of your favorites.
How's the actress getting along?? Is she getting the hang of it?
Quote from: GK on December 14, 2017, 10:34:31 AM
Good to hear the 2.0 is still one of your favorites.
How's the actress getting along?? Is she getting the hang of it?
She's getting there. If I could get her for more than an hour at a time, she'd be rocking. They're filming now, so I won't see her again till 30-31.
Concealed work today. 200rds, single shots from 10-30yds. Fundamentals fundamentals fundamentals. There's no red or blue pill.
Merry Christmas EveryBody!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f782hMNuob4&feature=push-u&attr_tag=wpypzGxTFqccTWSQ-6
Love it! ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»
Merry Christmas!
Perfect weather today, so I ran 500rds. Name the drill, I probably did it. I did work a lot of tap rack drills into a mag change drill. (at least 100 of them') Tons of good manipulation skills when you tie those together. Fundamentals fundamentals fundamentals.
Headspace and Timing was off today and I left my key at home. ;) Fought through it as best I could. All in all was able to get some solid work in.
Back at it today. I do a good amount of concealed work (carry everywhere, gotta train that kit). I have carried in all the positions over the years, but carry appendix now. (No comparison in getting the gun into play).
I had been training the actress to clear a cover garment (leather jacket) and drawing from 9 o'clock (devil handed), but after seeing her in full 'costume' I noticed she has an untucked shirt under the leather. Tad tricky to get it clean, basically two draw techniques simultaneously. I dry fired it at nauseum and shot it live today. Now I gotta get see if I can get her looking respectable.
I just started playing with appendix carry myself. Really liking it with my G43, but haven't figured it out for anything larger.
Quote from: zach on December 28, 2017, 03:23:00 PM
I just started playing with appendix carry myself. Really liking it with my G43, but haven't figured it out for anything larger.
Shouldn't be an issue with a 19 or similar. Try a looser fitting shirt, T or button up. The 43 will pretty much get you out of the situation though. Start carrying an extra mag also.
That actress behaving herself kopf?
Went fox shooting a few nights back. Three shooters.
We got 5, two of which were mine. Missed a third with some weird ammo jam or such.
Tested the ammo today and it ran fine. On the night, I had a mix of ammo in the tube, so perhaps that was it.
Still a great night out with the lads though! ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»
Quote from: GK on December 28, 2017, 11:55:32 PM
That actress behaving herself kopf?
The real question is is Kopf behaving around said actress?
I'm sure he's being a gentleman and a professional! ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»
Quote from: Bick on December 29, 2017, 12:14:29 AM
The real question is is Kopf behaving around said actress?
We all know the answer to that! [evil] [evil] [evil]
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 28, 2017, 03:27:54 PM
Shouldn't be an issue with a 19 or similar. Try a looser fitting shirt, T or button up. The 43 will pretty much get you out of the situation though. Start carrying an extra mag also.
It worked [thumbsup] The new holster from Dara helped, as did shifting it closer to my belt buckle. Now to dry fire from this new carry position 1k+ times.
Had an interesting failure at the range a few weeks ago. I bought a few billet uppers that are 2 piece. The forward assist is a separate piece held on by 1 screw. I was over 400 rounds for the day when the screw came loose. The pin holding the forward assist broke, and the forward assist fired out the rear. Loctite is my friend ;D
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/Stuff/n-Mwq3P/i-Q7ftXgG/0/cf178ae7/L/i-Q7ftXgG-L.jpg)
(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/26165273_278597509335903_344774698844235706_n.jpg?oh=adf271c71270922014118b076be4b011&oe=5AFD97A0)
[cheeky]
[laugh] [laugh]
I could hear a Rusky accent as I read that!
Gold!
Funnily enough there's an as new Russian Baikal U/O for sale at my local gun shop.
Reviews say they're as tough as nails, would probably take a hit with a shovel! Lol!
Price? $385
Very stiff still, so it's had hardly any use!
Might grab it! At that price, I'll have plenty left over to buy a shovel as well! ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜‰ðŸ˜‰
Not opening it up to the politics of it, but I do wish I could have brought an AK home from one of the business trips.
AKs go pretty cheap in the US don't they?
I bought the cheapest AK I could find a few weeks ago. WASR 10. I paid $475.
ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»
Thought this would be fun to have... [evil]
https://youtu.be/VsSYngXbCc0
They are not giving them away in cereal boxes.. :o
https://www.airgundepot.com/airforce-texan-ss.html
Lotta fun to be had right there! ðŸ'ðŸ»
Classified in the same category as non semi auto rim fire and non semi auto shotguns here.
Range day tomorrow! [thumbsup]
If you've ever had the pleasure, you know the deal. The 240 is hands down 'the' medium duty machine gun. It'll eat ammo all day long. My first dealings with this system was the MAG 58 [evil]
https://youtu.be/kdh-PHmLT_A
Tough bit of equipment right there!
Quote from: GK on December 29, 2017, 09:29:35 PM
Funnily enough there's an as new Russian Baikal U/O for sale at my local gun shop.
Reviews say they're as tough as nails, would probably take a hit with a shovel! Lol!
Price? $385
Very stiff still, so it's had hardly any use!
Might grab it! At that price, I'll have plenty left over to buy a shovel as well! ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜‰ðŸ˜‰
It was sold the day after I was there! Lol!
You snooze you lose! 😩
New to me. (http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c174/cokey2/20180106_180510_001.jpg) want to make it a bit lighter. Maybe some slide milling. Definitely a new trigger. Put a hundred rounds through it Sunday. It's the compact. The shield probably fits my small hands better. Maybe a different back strap will do.
Quote from: cokey on January 08, 2018, 06:08:11 PM
New to me. (http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c174/cokey2/20180106_180510_001.jpg) want to make it a bit lighter. Maybe some slide milling. Definitely a new trigger. Put a hundred rounds through it Sunday. It's the compact. The shield probably fits my small hands better. Maybe a different back strap will do.
I ALMOST bought this same gun a month or so ago, but then I saw my (Current Ducati now) dream bike sitting at my local bike shop and bought it instead... lol im hoping by spring ill have this on my back OR the XDs .45...still don't know yet..? [bang]
I got my hands on a Marlin Glenfield model 60 for the price of fixing it. All it looks like it needs is a spring & spring guide. Already ordered those, so I've got me a $15 .22 to plink around with. It's nothing fancy but is in pretty good shape overall, just a few nicks and scratches in the stock. I should be fun to just target & varmit shoot. I can also use it to teach my little one about guns when he gets a little older.
JM
[thumbsup] Plinking with a .22 is loads of fun.
Sure is, whether a rifle or pistol.
Not a plinker...
Giving a lot of thought to anther one of these:
(https://snwcdnprod.azureedge.net/sites/default/files/styles/product_main/public/firearms/images/150714_01_lg_1_0.jpg?itok=SUsy0-r0)
Ok Wyatt :D
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 11, 2018, 05:33:54 PM
Ok Wyatt :D
I was thinking more like do you feel lucky? [cheeky]
:D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Xjr2hnOHiM
They make wheels for that cannon? ;D
Hey, I gots to know!
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Quote from: Bick on January 11, 2018, 04:52:30 PM
Not a plinker...
Giving a lot of thought to anther one of these:
(https://snwcdnprod.azureedge.net/sites/default/files/styles/product_main/public/firearms/images/150714_01_lg_1_0.jpg?itok=SUsy0-r0)
Nice, I wouldn't mind adding one of those to go with my collection. I've got wheels in .22LR and .357 and that would just fill out my collection!
JM
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/the-heckler-koch-m27-the-marines-new-rifle-24019
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 11, 2018, 09:15:04 PM
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/the-heckler-koch-m27-the-marines-new-rifle-24019
Looks like an M4 with a free float hand guard and longer barrel.
Tell us what you think after you run it kop.
Many of the comments on this article pooh poohed the rifle quite a lot.
Is that to be expected because of obvious flaws over the current equipment, or because it's a H&K not a US design?
I'm also interested in your thoughts and experience kopf.
I've had the 416 out forward before. It's a good fun, but a little heavy for what it is. Just have to get past the HKness.
How does the H&K improve on the M4?
First worked with the H&K 416 with a 9†and 10.5†barrel in 04ish. It's nice kit, but it's not better than any of the 'quality' M4 variants out there. (ymmv) The main difference outside of furniture, is the HK is short stroke gas piston vs direct impingement.
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 12, 2018, 02:45:47 PM
The main difference outside of furniture, is the HK is short stroke gas piston vs direct impingement.
And the fact that it doesn't compromise.
Quote from: DRKWNG on January 12, 2018, 02:53:36 PM
And the fact that it doesn't compromise.
Can you unpack that a little?
Quote from: GK on January 12, 2018, 07:13:03 PM
Can you unpack that a little?
[laugh] I was gonna say the same thing in a much less eloquent way!
Lol!
Unlike Pepperidge Farms, you kids just don't remember...
(https://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/HKbulletsBackwards.jpg)
That was an epic fail of the highest level.
It is an amazing feat of engineering when you can design a gun that will fire regardless of which way the bullets are loaded into the magazine! ;D
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 13, 2018, 01:39:37 PM
That was an epic fail of the highest level.
especially when you consider that add was first released at Shot.
Classic! [thumbsup]
That's a remarkable thing right there. :D
https://youtu.be/F64b6InjDdk
:o
[thumbsup] [thumbsup]
P Mac is a beast.
Great stuff! Loved the 1911 pistol ballet! ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»
Rifle surgery complete. Total of $12 for the repair. Spring rod was sheared and you can see the issue with the old spring. It looks like it was reassembled wrong or in a hurry at some point, but seems great now.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4659/25916305968_f95bc9c130_b.jpg)
JM
[thumbsup]
I started this project a few months ago. I trained her in Nashville with the actual guns she's using in the movie. I've been in LA all week as the tech advisor. This has been very interesting for me.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-5282403/amp/Nicole-Kidman-totes-gun-set-new-film-Destroyer.html
Who the hell is Captain Khaki in that one picture?
8)
Some old mothermake the beast with two backser. ;)
Looks kinda familiar.
Quote from: ducpainter on January 20, 2018, 03:09:50 PM
Looks kinda familiar.
Like, "seen him on the post office wall" familiar? ;D
Oh, and how long are you in LA for?
Quote from: Speeddog on January 20, 2018, 04:30:33 PM
Like, "seen him on the post office wall" familiar? ;D
That's funny... ;D
I'm training the stunt coordinator tomorrow, and leaving on Monday.
I'm gonna start calling you Hollywood. ;D
Quote from: ducpainter on January 20, 2018, 05:45:39 PM
I'm gonna start calling you Hollywood. ;D
That's a Tier 1 level actress I trained, so you never know. ;)
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 20, 2018, 06:02:56 PM
That's a Tier 1 level actress I trained, so you never know. ;)
Done... [evil]
Ok, I'm back from LA. Kinda still gun stuff, bleeding into the movie thread. I accomplished what I set out to do. The main thing was to keep her focused with this very new to her skill set. I'm pretty confident that it will look good on film, but who knows. I gave it 100% of my energy, but had to deal with La La Land. :D Word on the street, so I'm told is, if you need something similar to this done for your movie, call this cat. :D ;)
Quote from: Hollywood D on January 23, 2018, 03:53:37 PM
Ok, I'm back from LA. Kinda still gun stuff, bleeding into the movie thread. I accomplished what I set out to do. The main thing was to keep her focused with this very new to her skill set. I'm pretty confident that it will look good on film, but who knows. I gave it 100% of my energy, but had to deal with La La Land. :D Word on the street, so I'm told is, if you need something similar to this done for your movie, call this cat. :D ;)
D's gonna put some SEALs out of work! [evil] & [thumbsup]
Building up an assortment of hair care products for this new calling?
Quote from: Bick on January 23, 2018, 03:58:49 PM
D's gonna put some SEALs out of work! [evil] & [thumbsup]
Building up an assortment of hair care products for this new calling?
I heard he has a deal going with these guys... https://www.justformen.com/touch-of-gray.html [evil]
:D
Great work kopf! ðŸ'ðŸ»
You didn't stop in Vegas to see the gun nerds?
Quote from: red baron on January 24, 2018, 07:41:34 AM
You didn't stop in Vegas to see the gun nerds?
Thought about going, but word on the street was there wasn't gonna be anything really new so to speak this year.
Back at it today. Made a bunch of brass and ran the gun hard. Needed to knock the dust off from my trip to la la land. Walking around without a gun out there was skeeving me out.
https://youtu.be/q0oGZ4TZr5k
Incredible technology.
Plug and plug, pun intended! ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»
https://youtu.be/c9SZWma_zdk
Explosives can be tricky. [coffee]
Where to go to sell an old Korean war rifle? Anyone? It's my dad's but it's just collecting dust and I haven't shot it in forever and won't be any time soon.
Suggestions appreciated. Thnx!
Should add that I don't have a C/C or any other documentation on it so can't just drive over to the local gun store. Or can I....?
Quote from: Stella on February 01, 2018, 09:31:46 PM
Where to go to sell an old Korean war rifle? Anyone? It's my dad's but it's just collecting dust and I haven't shot it in forever and won't be any time soon.
Suggestions appreciated. Thnx!
Should add that I don't have a C/C or any other documentation on it so can't just drive over to the local gun store. Or can I....?
Send it to me.
Will hit the post office during lunch today. Hopefully they have a long enough self mailer.
Quote from: Stella on February 02, 2018, 07:22:38 AM
Will hit the post office during lunch today. Hopefully they have a long enough self mailer.
Ummm...it isn't quite that simple. :P
pm sent
Quote from: ducpainter on February 02, 2018, 11:45:31 AM
Ummm...it isn't quite that simple. :P
pm sent
Sorry, Nate, it isn't going across a state line.
I'm sure it will be quite safe and happy living in my safe. ;)
Quote from: Bick on February 02, 2018, 11:58:45 AM
Sorry, Nate, it isn't going across a state line.
I'm sure it will be quite safe and happy living in my safe. ;)
Bastard!
This will cost you Major.
Quote from: ducpainter on February 02, 2018, 11:45:31 AM
Ummm...it isn't quite that simple. :P
pm sent
Was being facetious but prolly best to have stated what you did juuuust to make sure....
;)
Out of curiosity, what is it?
Quote from: ducpainter on February 02, 2018, 01:03:42 PM
Out of curiosity, what is it?
One of my other military friends said it was an M1 carbine.
Don't give it away.
That's what the other guy said too. Definitely not to a shop or broker but end user/admirer.
[thumbsup]
I'll take it. [thumbsup]
PM your asking price.
I can trade puppy pics. ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGu0ybxpp7Y
No more Browning Hi-Power
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a16720630/browning-hi-power-production-ends/ (https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a16720630/browning-hi-power-production-ends/)
A terrific run really!
Cheers JMo
http://www.kalashnikov-usa.com/firearms/autoloading-shotgun-ks-12
http://www.kalashnikov-usa.com/firearms/autoloading-tactical-shotgun-ks-12t
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 23, 2018, 05:14:10 PM
http://www.kalashnikov-usa.com/firearms/autoloading-shotgun-ks-12
http://www.kalashnikov-usa.com/firearms/autoloading-tactical-shotgun-ks-12t
I want to SBS one of those badly [evil]
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/Stuff/n-Mwq3P/i-kTbJstN/0/473eb248/L/i-kTbJstN-L.jpg)
Stamp Day! Sadman K. Doubtful it is hearing safe, just wanted something short to take the edge off.
Dead Air makes some nice suppressors.
Nice bottle of Lore you've got there.
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Quote from: DRKWNG on February 26, 2018, 05:23:33 AM
Nice bottle of Lore you've got there.
The nice thing about averaging one drink every two weeks or so is that I can buy the good stuff [evil]
My Mac 10 had an identity crisis. I wasn't happy with any of the stock options available, so I hacked this together. Stock is the ACR/SCAR from Kinetic Development. Only one dremel was burned up in the making of this ;D The Lage upper really makes this thing controllable. Singles are easy. Very fun. I'm looking into doing some of the subgun comps.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/Stuff/n-Mwq3P/i-XjVxzBB/0/9793cbc1/L/i-XjVxzBB-L.png)
Anyone have any experience with Sigs P226?
Quote from: The Architect on March 05, 2018, 11:00:08 AM
Anyone have any experience with Sigs P226?
Used them when I was training FAM's after 9-11. What's your questions?
I'm still working with the Marlin 60 and have a few questions. I think the scope is unsalvageable, but I thought I'd get some opinions. The background on the rifle is a 1976 manufacture date, probably not used very much. I've replaced the recoil spring and spring guide but otherwise it's pretty much original. I'm hoping to be able to get it usable to teach my son how to shoot when he gets a little older. It's basically going to be a target rifle just to teach the basics and safety of handling a gun.
The issue is it looks like the scope adjustments are beyond help. I can always pull the scope off and use it just with the iron sights. I hate to take it off, as it's original, but if it's not going to work, I suppose I will. FWIW, my grandmother said my grandfather couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with it and this may be why.
These are the two adjustments on the scope (I don't have any scope experience) I'm guessing windage and elevation. The mounts are cracked/broken.
Side
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Top
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Thanks for any input!
JM
For said intended purpose, removal of the scope seems just fine to me.
If a repair or replacement is found, then it can go on at the appropriate point.
I don't think there's any fix in that scope.
Thanks, that confirms what I was thinking, I just wanted to be sure before I pulled it. I can probably find another at some point, of if my son really takes to shooting possibly get a better one.
JM
This would make an adequate replacement if you want a scope. Inexpensive enough. I have an older 3-9 on a single shot pest eradicator that works.
https://smile.amazon.com/BSA-S4X32WR-Rifle-50-Yard-Parallax/dp/B000NK4LN4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1520427241&sr=8-1&keywords=bsa+4x32
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 05, 2018, 11:08:00 AM
Used them when I was training FAM's after 9-11. What's your questions?
Should I add it to the family? Is it a good long term buy regarding reliability and durability?
Quote from: The Architect on March 07, 2018, 11:36:45 AM
Should I add it to the family? Is it a good long term buy regarding reliability and durability?
SIG makes quality products. I'm not a fan and don't own one, but that's all personal preference. I don't think you can go wrong purchasing one.
Thanks dp, that's pretty similar to what's on it. Pest control would be my use for it aside from teaching my son.
I don't have hands on with the Sig 226, I borrowed a 229 for some range time. Solid and well made and shot straight but was simply too bulky for my hands and liking. Nothing *wrong* with it it just wasn't a fit for me.
JM
If you keep your eye out, you might find a oem scope for that rifle. Gun show, etc.
I'm a BCM fan, but here's a good list.
http://blog.cheaperthandirt.com/10-top-ars-2018/
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 07, 2018, 04:18:04 PM
I'm a BCM fan, but here's a good list.
http://blog.cheaperthandirt.com/10-top-ars-2018/
I'll second that on the BCM. [thumbsup]
Well, M1 shopping has begun.... ;D
[evil]
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 07, 2018, 01:43:08 PM
SIG makes quality products. I'm not a fan and don't own one, but that's all personal preference. I don't think you can go wrong purchasing one.
This weekend I picked up a used 226, rosewood grips, stainless steel slide and in very good shape. ;D
Quote from: red baron on March 13, 2018, 09:47:19 PM
Well, M1 shopping has begun.... ;D
Garand, or Carbine?
Quote from: ducpainter on March 14, 2018, 05:03:43 AM
Garand, or Carbine?
I have a carbine.
Time for a M1A.
https://www.springfield-armory.com/products/m1a-super-match/
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Up in Chattanooga to teach a class Saturday. Another church security group. Fundamentals, fundamentals, fundamentals.
Church getting pistol training from kopf?
That's my kind of church! ðŸ'ðŸ»
It went good, being it was a church group they got the PG rated version. ;) When I do a class like this I try and push the envelope a bit. I try and give them enough so they realize they need more training from myself or another instructor I'd recommend. High level of CMMS or SD shooting is nothing more than the fundamentals done at a level of automaticity. This takes a lot of work.
Are they having more training?
Quote from: GK on March 26, 2018, 05:00:02 AM
Are they having more training?
They most likely will. When we get into this (or any) type of training, most folks are clueless as to how much dedication it takes to get proficient. If people are going to take up the position to protect the sheep, they need to understand their capabilities and limitations. This can only be done with continuous training. I'm a huge proponent of dry fire training, I do it every single day, along with 2-3 live fire sessions per week. I'm a student of the game and I'm always learning.
“I can't teach you to be a better shooter, but I can teach you to teach yourself to be a better shooter.â€
The guys who get really good, have the ability to train themselves. Until you get to the point of really being able to diagnose the little things, this can't happen. Fundamentals, fundamentals, fundamentals.
This guy has some good stuff out there...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-FUsH8jt6E
Looks like Frank took off a bunch of weight.
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 26, 2018, 02:09:36 PM
I'm a huge proponent of dry fire training, I do it every single day, along with 2-3 live fire sessions per week. I'm a student of the game and I'm always learning.
Do you think this would be worth the investment if you want to practice with feedback more often than you can make it to the range?
https://www.itargetpro.com/
Quote from: Zaster on March 27, 2018, 12:50:49 PM
Do you think this would be worth the investment if you want to practice with feedback more often than you can make it to the range?
https://www.itargetpro.com/
I've never used that product, or anything similar. I would never buy one, but if you think it would help, go for it. I dry fire on small 10x6 IPSC tgts, I also use 3x5 cards. I set them up to use as single or multiple tgt scenarios. I do a lot (shit ton) of mag changes, as well as moving and shooting drills. Fundamentals!
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 27, 2018, 01:04:06 PM
I've never used that product, or anything similar. I would never buy one, but if you think it would help, go for it. I dry fire on small 10x6 IPSC tgts, I also use 3x5 cards. I set them up to use as single or multiple tgt scenarios. I do a lot (shit ton) of mag changes, as well as moving and shooting drills. Fundamentals!
Thanks for the advice!
Pistol training at the range is paying off, more to come on that. ;D
If you're following along you know I do a lot of dry fire work. Here's a great drill that works a lot of mechanics. Empty mag in the gun, 2-3 empty mags in your kit. Use a tgt (3x5 card etc) draw and attempt to fire (don't hot mop sight alignment & picture) obviously the gun won't fire. Here's where we get rolling. Tap rack (in the shooters box-work space) it'll induce a slide lock, drop the mag reload, re-present and fire another shot, tap rack reload etc etc etc. You can make a shit ton of money running this drill. We really want to work on our focus shift from the threat/target to the magwell back to the tgt to the sights in sequence. Work on being fluid and not jerky. Speed will come naturally. As always, double triple check your mags before any dry fire training. Oh and it's free.
De Oppresso Liber
Ok, so today I worked on tying the tap rack drill into live fire 1-1-1 drills. You can vary it up at your discretion. Start with 1 round in the gun, next mag on your kit is empty, next mag has 1 round etc. Or start with the empty mag first. If you're shooting with someone, you can have him/her set up the mags and put them in your kit and gun. This way you have no idea the sequence and work the immediate action as it happens. You want to run these drills until they are performed at a level of automaticity.
Becky has mad skills.
https://youtu.be/gdTzYTW3V8o
She sure does. Fundamentals, fundamentals fundamentals! ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»
Taught a pistol class in Lynchburg TN yesterday. Rained all day and the suck factor was high, but all the students hung tough. I actually started with them Friday evening and went over the fundamentals in detail as well as a solid 2hrs of dry fire work. Their minds were opened to what's really involved in CMMS/SDS shooting. As always I learned along with them. Fundamentals, fundamentals, fundamentals.
ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»
https://youtu.be/yVQ1hihZvkc
Top stuff!
I'll just grab these four shells and pop 'em in real quick one handed.
While I'm doing something else.
Easy peasy.
Jeez.
https://youtu.be/PMVURZm4W4Y
Quote from: Speeddog on April 28, 2018, 08:47:29 AM
I'll just grab these four shells and pop 'em in real quick one handed.
While I'm doing something else.
Easy peasy.
Jeez.
And look terrific doing so!
https://youtu.be/PrKgJVDGYgw
I can't believe he connected on that droplet. Amazing.
Awesome shooting!
I showed my daughters (14 & 12) last night and their response... 'wow!'
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On my game today. 3rd session this week. I'm teaching in Lynchburg again next weekend, then rolling into a 5 day CQB course for LEO's in Mississippi. They're gonna get the full on Daryl show. ;)
Quote from: kopfjäger on May 03, 2018, 11:23:43 AM
On my game today. 3rd session this week. I'm teaching in Lynchburg again next weekend, then rolling into a 5 day CQB course for LEO's in Mississippi. They're gonna get the full on Daryl show. ;)
[thumbsup]
But what happened to Hollywood D?
Quote from: Bick on May 03, 2018, 11:26:31 AM
[thumbsup]
But what happened to Hollywood D?
It's on the horizon. The screenplay my old Tm SGT wrote is going to be a movie. I'll be putting a team of pipe hitters together to train the actors. They make the beast with two backsed 12 Strong up horribly and that shits not gonna happen on this film.
https://youtu.be/jZ8mj4L_1gk
https://youtu.be/xaTmezw7Rpk
I dig that PC9.
How is she able to continue firing after the mag change without releasing the bolt?
Quote from: Monsterlover on May 07, 2018, 04:42:37 AM
I dig that PC9.
How is she able to continue firing after the mag change without releasing the bolt?
She didn't let it run dry. Competition shooters, especially USPSA rarely ever do slide or bolt lock mag changes. My guess is she was round counting that sequence.
Quote from: kopfjäger on May 07, 2018, 08:16:59 AM
She didn't let it run dry. Competition shooters, especially USPSA rarely ever do slide or bolt lock mag changes. My guess is she was round counting that sequence.
Ahhhh, got it. That makes a ton of sense.
Counting rounds during all that hustle. Daaaamn. [bow_down]
Quote from: Monsterlover on May 07, 2018, 09:17:42 AM
Ahhhh, got it. That makes a ton of sense.
Counting rounds during all that hustle. Daaaamn. [bow_down]
They 'dry walk' a stage prior to shooting it. They get really good at the math problem. It doesn't always work out and sometimes they'll shoot a makeup shot or two that'll force a slide look reload. IDPA competition forces slide locks on most all of their stages. Since all my training and teaching is based on CMMS/SDS shooting, I only do slide/bolt lock reloads.
On that note, I've always taught reduced capacity reloads as in, I'm in a gunfight and I shot a bunch of rounds and I'm getting ready to move across some open space to new cover or deep in a structure doing CQB, I'll remove what's left in the gun and replace it with a full mag.
How do you keep track of that low-round mag?
Quote from: Speeddog on May 07, 2018, 09:56:28 AM
How do you keep track of that low-round mag?
If you're asking about a reduced capacity reload. That low mag goes in your dump pouch or I'll put it backwards in my mag pouch. The competition guys will just drop it.
On that note, in a really bad gunfight (combat) I might need those mags a bit later depending on what the size of the hornets nest was. Situationally dependent.
If you're doing multiple mag changes in a gunfight in the general population, you're either the worst shot in the world or you have found yourself somewhere you should have avoided. Gotta train for worst case scenario though.
All good answers, thanks!
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Great class last night and today. Folks got woke. (that's what the kool kidz say). Back to the house to Ron' and heading to Mississippi in the morning to teach all week. They're about to get the last click outta Jr. ;)
Skeeter, go grab me that centipede from the ammo crate....
Back from Meridian. 28 students and 5 days of CQB. It went pretty well, but some folks simply have no business doing it. If you ever find yourself in Meridian Mississippi, you gotta hit these two restaurants. Wiedmann's has been there since 1870 and it's awesome. Also a relatively new place that took over and old rundown joint called Harvest Grill.
http://www.weidmanns1870.com/
http://www.harvestgrillms.com/
Picked up a new scattergun, Mossberg SPX.
Zee pistolero model, or the traditional?
Traditional
Lot of rain today, so in order to stay out of a giant mud pit I did all my work from 20+. Kind of aim small miss small, but from distance.
Pat Mac ain't skeered o no puddle. [thumbsup]
I'll leave you with this.
https://youtu.be/1g2-46CxSLA
I recite that shit in my sleep. ;)
Oh and it's...
Stance
Grip
Sight alignment
Sight picture
Trigger control
Breathing
Follow through
Recoil/Recovery
Sights and triggers being the absolute most important.
I haven't squeezed a trigger in quite some time. I still read everything here and watch all these videos.
I've learned a lot here over the years.
[thumbsup]
Yo kop,
What's the deal with the SIG P365, give us a review! [thumbsup]
No first hand knowledge, but Taran did a review recently.
https://youtu.be/OgHRcv2M6PY
I don't trust TB, I see him all the time.
You, I trust! ;D
I'll try and get my hands on one and run it for a session or two.
Just read that freedom munitions is going under.
Quote from: zach on June 13, 2018, 09:58:21 AM
Just read that freedom munitions is going under.
Filed for chapter 11, but they're still in business. Email from yesterday.
To all of our valued Freedom Munitions customers:
You may have already heard or read about the recent decision to re-organize Freedom Munitions in chapter 11 bankruptcy proceedings.
We would like to take this time to assure our valuable customers of the ongoing commitment to provide affordable ammunition to shooting sport enthusiasts around the country.
Freedom Munitions will continue to manufacture ammunition, ship orders and provide the best service we possibly can.
We are still here and plan on maintaining a steady path of manufacturing cost effective ammunition and moving towards a positive future.
Thank you for your patience and continued patronage,
Freedom Munitions Team
Right on [thumbsup]
Maria shooting 'Production'.
https://youtu.be/VVxLCBx1mis
https://youtu.be/EDjH24_swFg
Get some, Your Majesty.
https://youtu.be/fa6T70YSBtE
A king should be able to protect himself! [thumbsup]
Freedom Munitions stock has been very low to none, so I had to switch. I ordered 1k of 9 from Precision Delta on Monday and it was here today, free shipping. (never seen that before) I'm also gonna get a batch from Atlanta Arms and run that as well.
http://www.precisiondelta.com/
https://atlantaarms.com/
Aren't freedom munitions under receivership?
Quote from: GK on July 14, 2018, 12:13:40 AM
Aren't freedom munitions under receivership?
Yup...filed for Chapter 11
So do you reckon the shortage of their product is the company being wound down?
Haven't heard anything from them since that last email I posted. Not sure if they're gonna dig themselves out. I cruise this search engine from time to time. Trivago for bullets.
https://ammoseek.com/
I'm buying Speer Lawman 9mm for $0.18 per round from SGAMMO.
That'll work. 115 is always inexpensive. Try a box of 147, you'll never look back. ;)
Been buying dorm SGAmmo as well myself. They put together some pretty good deals, and ship quick.
Won't be shooting for a while though, so won't need to replenish my stock...
Not sure the round count on the 2.0 Compact. It's way up there though and it runs like a Singer. Probably have done 5k of mag changes, dry (at nauseam) and live, but that make the beast with two backser will still eat me up. Haven't shot any of my Glocks in many months and I could easily outrun myself using it. No worries, it makes me stay focused. Did a nice Ti and Black cerakote on the slide on Saturday, looks sweet. I'm gonna build an RMR gun so I can give educated answers to clients. Might use the STI since I never shoot it anymore.
Fundamentals Fundamentals Fundamentals
Wow!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=247&v=iZ4khQyvpRs
So many things done wrong there.
I'll tell you what he did right. He remained calm on the radio and he stayed in the fight. That's mindset and really not teachable. I can give dudes all kinds of skills, either you have proper mindset or you don't.
Why would he shoot through his own windshield?
I figured he was right handed. A few times he tries to shoot out the window with the left, but gives up on that idea.
If he was in Australia, he'd have been AOK! 😉
Did a 2 day tactical pistol course for 20 Newark SWAT cops. Great guys and I got deep in the weeds with them. I used to come up here and work with them many years ago, but it's been awhile. One of my old team guys runs it. I dropped much knowledge on them and some eyes were opened. If you're familiar with Newark, then you might know about Ferry St., 'down neck'.No place like it and there's several restaurants down there that are truly amazing. A few of us went into the Big City on Friday night. I hadn't been to ground zero since 5 days after the towers came down. Got some great photos of the new tower, all 1776' of it. Absolutely mind bending. The 2 memorial sites are overwhelming and the Special Forces memorial is amazing as well.
ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»
Just finished up a 3 day session, training the stunt coordinator that hired me to train Nicole for her movie. I'd been working with him through texts, but that shit don't work. I was able to spin him up on a lot of solid fundamentals. Needless to say if he needs a tech for another movie, I'm a shoe in.
Nice one kopf, ahem Hollywood!
😉😉
Yeah I know. That place is a total make the beast with two backsing train wreck. ;)
https://youtu.be/fEZeb5lKPkk
https://youtu.be/ynKKwcJhtKE
Ran 1k of the Precision Delta and the first 250 of the Atlanta Arms. No issues with either. The Precision costs less.
Fundamentals Fundamentals Fundamentals
Hollywood, if I was ever in a shootout, I'd want you beside me!
Then I'd probably try to step squarely behind you! Lol!
Just keep handing him full magazines, and everything will be fine. [Dolph]
Quote from: GK on July 30, 2018, 09:27:14 PM
Hollywood, if I was ever in a shootout, I'd want you beside me!
Then I'd probably try to step squarely behind you! Lol!
I promise I'd do my best, but......anyone can lose that game. ;)
Quote from: Speeddog on July 30, 2018, 09:45:23 PM
Just keep handing him full magazines, and everything will be fine. [Dolph]
I reckon he'd only need one! Lol!
Quote from: Hollywood D on July 30, 2018, 09:59:59 PMI promise I'd do my best, but......anyone can lose that game. 😉
I'd back you for the win!
https://youtu.be/aw7qQIJBg74
Did a lot of close quarters knife training. I've said it for years that action is faster than reaction. A knife will outdraw a pistol all day long, 21ft rule. Head on a swivel when you get that' feeling.
https://youtu.be/Upxfo_jBrDE
Quote from: Hollywood D on August 02, 2018, 07:36:36 PM
Did a lot of close quarters knife training. I've said it for years that action is faster than reaction. A knife will outdraw a pistol all day long, 21ft rule. Head on a swivel when you get that' feeling.
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When J.N. Mattis talks, people listen.
;D
Don't let him bust out the knife hand. ;)
Someone turned me on to these guys, so I bought 1k to give it a go.
https://angelfireammo.com/
Screw going to Alabama and training with Hollywood. This is real training! ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gH9mawrWmUM
Way to go Earl!
Love it! Lol!
Fitted a match grade Faxon barrel in the M&P, as well as an ISMI 13# recoil spring. Ran 300 through it today and oh hell to the yeaah! Gun shoots flat as make the beast with two backs and tracking the sights during multiple shots is greatly improved. We dremmeled a small spot at the bottom of the leading edge of the magwell and I think that was the ticket for more consistent slide lock reloads.
Training session today was 250rds all single shots (except on combat reloads) from the holster. I worked from 10-20yds on a 10†disc. Aim small miss small.
Fundamentals Fundamentals Fundamentals
You reckon those mods on the M&P will give you the edge on the mag changes you've been working on?
Quote from: GK on August 07, 2018, 01:19:12 PM
You reckon those mods on the M&P will give you the edge on the mag changes you've been working on?
It was pretty minor, but seems to be helping. My dry fire session yesterday, I did 200+ mag changes at half speed or less.
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Picked this up today.
Ruger MKII Target, 10" barrel
Finished up that 1k of Atlanta Arms ammo today. I did 250, 1-1-1 drills. No issues with their ammunition.
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I am fundamentally proud of your efforts man!
Double thumbs up (avoiding squares)!
Freedom is starting to show a little more ammo on their site. I ordered a load of 147gr today. Not sure if they're in the clear yet (doubtful), but it's a step in the right direction. My STI is on the way back to Texas. Gonna get the new slide cut for an RMR. Also possibly got a drug deal working with them. ;)
Freedom is still doing right by me. Ordered a bunch of .44 from them a while back... quick turnaround. [thumbsup]
A buddy of mine just ordered a bunch of .308, also quick delivery.
I hope they do pull through this. All signs are pointing that way.
Solid work today. Worked targets in depth, different sizes and at odd angles. Mixed it up with a bunch of reloads and movement. Precision Delta ammo today.
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Picked this up today.
Ruger MKII Target, 10" barrel
Awesome!
Can't miss anything with the 10" barrel!
Quote from: The Architect on August 15, 2018, 08:19:31 AM
Awesome!
Can't miss anything with the 10" barrel!
You haven't seen me shoot ;D
Quote from: Monsterlover on August 20, 2018, 04:25:32 PM
You haven't seen me shoot ;D
...but you're so much closer to the target. :P
Wife is looking for a carry. She shot and really liked the xds. Shoots it well. Like the sig p365, have not shot it yet though. The new one we saw with 12 round mag was nice but over 100$ more. Our LGS shows a deal on a new xds with 4 mags, holster, notebook carry case for 479. We'll have to try and find a range that has the sig though. Anyone try both
I worked at RCTA all last week training Leo's. It's a CQB course (all Simms) so I don't really do any flat range work with them. I do discuss some weapons manipulation skills though. (They're in dire need of it) Worked them really hard and passed on a lot of knowledge. (CQB) Was able to get in one session while I was there. The Boss has us over for a cookout and he's got a small range, so I brought my kit and ran 250rds in about 30min. Didn't want to be rude to the guests and of course none of them wanted to shoot. :D Cracks me up sometimes. Picked up an Agency Arms trigger shoe for the M&P, uses the same Apex internals, and is supposed to cleanup some of the pre-travel slop. I'll run it Tuesday and find out.
Started today doing aim small miss small on a 10†disc from 10. I ran delibrate controlled pairs really driving the sights, 50rds. Shot a bunch of multiples, some tgts in depth and some singles from the rig at 50. The next drill is something I'm thinking of adding when I teach. The natural progression for forward or lateral movement is steps & turns. I've been working on a drill where, say downrange is 12 o'clock, where you face 3 and you have a tgt at 1 and 11. The head moves first (gotta ID the threat) and draw and shoot, feet in-place, the tgt at 1 first, keep rotating the upper body and drop the opposite knee forward to help the rotation and engage the tgt at 11ish. I've been thinking about adding that drill as a precursor to movement. You can do any MOE you want or add in mag changes. We'll see.
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Decent session today. Wasn't quite feeling it early on, but it wasn't a bailout situation. I pushed back to 50 to run a mag, and went 0-10 single shots from the rig. For make the beast with two backss sake, I know I can hit that from here, not every shot but damn. Went back up to 10 to work on the 8†disc, and started missing. Quick check of the front sight and it had pushed way right. [bang] Realigned it and off to the races. On the way home I was 30sec behind one of the worst headon collisions I've see in a long time. Bailed out with my aid bag, but it was a done deal. 100yd debris field, looked like an IED incident. make the beast with two backsing brutal.
Knowledge.
https://youtu.be/8BtrR85h8n8
Do I get to face 9, being a lefty?
Quote from: Speeddog on August 30, 2018, 08:52:42 PM
Do I get to face 9, being a lefty?
Yup, but run it from both sides.
The movie I trained Nicole for debut was at Telluride Film Festival. I'm sure their gonna tweak it more, but this is the first write up I've read. Release date is Christmas.
http://splashreport.com/telluride-film-review-nicole-kidman-destroyer/
She steals the show the review said.
Correction 'With special help from her shooting training consultant, an ex special forces operator only known as kopfjager, her movement was convincingly real...
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Thought you might like that!
Hehehe!
Quote from: kopfjäger on August 30, 2018, 03:50:08 PM
On the way home I was 30sec behind one of the worst headon collisions I've see in a long time. Bailed out with my aid bag, but it was a done deal. 100yd debris field, looked like an IED incident. make the beast with two backsing brutal.
RIP Richard and Mary. I didn't know you or you me, but I was talking to you while I checked you for a pulse. Maybe you heard me, but I highly doubt it. I won't soon forget.
https://www.annistonstar.com/news/local/two-killed-in-bynum-leatherwood-crash-coroner-says/article_4726d3ee-ac9d-11e8-9cc5-b345580da430.html
Almost forgot. That Agency Arms trigger kit I purchased was the wrong one. To do it correctly I need to ship them my gun. Something to do with an agreement they made with Apex, since they're using their internals. So it goes for a plane ride tomorrow. 5-7 day turnaround. I'll run the 2.0 full-size this week.
Quote from: kopfjäger on September 02, 2018, 12:54:40 PM
RIP Richard and Mary. I didn't know you or you me, but I was talking to you while I checked you for a pulse. Maybe you heard me, but I highly doubt it. I won't soon forget.
https://www.annistonstar.com/news/local/two-killed-in-bynum-leatherwood-crash-coroner-says/article_4726d3ee-ac9d-11e8-9cc5-b345580da430.html
Geez Mate!
Full on. RIP.
Ran the 2.0 full-size today. The compact is somewhere between here an Cal. Good session today, I'm really working hard on faster focus shifts between multiple tgts. STI called and the new slide is cut and fitted. He's got it completely apart (obviously) so he's gonna put the smaller/thinner grip and shorter trigger on it for me. Trying to find the best price on the Trijicon RMR now. It's gonna be a fun range gun.
About the 10min mark of this interview she will talk about the gun training.
https://variety.com/2018/film/in-contention/playback-podcast-nicole-kidman-boy-erased-destroyer-big-little-lies-1202927732/
Hell yeah
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Mentioned by name! Nice one kopf!
Was out of town last week (reunion) and when I got back Sunday I could feel the flu coming on and it kicked my ass like a Narc at a biker rally. The M&P showed up Monday from Agency Arms, finally opened the box today. I believe we have a winner with this setup, removed about 50% of the pretravel slop and it feels really crisp. Can't wait to put it through its paces.
Sounds great!
Put a few hundred through for me! :)
Ran a couple 300rds through the 2.0 today with the new trigger job. Saweet and the reset is super clean and crisp. Ordered the Trijicon RMR in gray for the STI, which should be shipped back this week.
Quote from: kopfjäger on September 19, 2018, 03:34:29 PM
Was out of town last week (reunion) and when I got back Sunday I could feel the flu coming on and it kicked my ass like a Narc at a biker rally. The M&P showed up Monday from Agency Arms, finally opened the box today. I believe we have a winner with this setup, removed about 50% of the pretravel slop and it feels really crisp. Can't wait to put it through its paces.
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Quote from: kopfjäger on September 25, 2018, 12:00:37 PM
Ran a couple 300rds through the 2.0 today with the new trigger job. Saweet and the reset is super clean and crisp.
Excellent!
Kopf, M&P Master!
The RMR showed up today. Beautiful little piece of kit. Spoke with STI and my gun is pretty much done. It'll get DLC coating sometime next week. This gun is gonna be a beast.
Rained out yesterday so I ran 250 through the new trigger job. Put it through its paces.
Singles
Doubles
Strings of 5
Multiple tgt indexing
Movement
Mag changes
This is definitely the ticket for this gun.
Ran 300rds of Angel Fire 147gr Remain today. No issues at all.
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If you're in the market for a new Glock, this would be a good choice.
https://gunmagwarehouse.com/blog/a-new-glock-the-glock-45/
Solid work today. Started cold at 25yds, single shots from the holster. Went 8 of 10. (10x18 steel). Worked a bunch of multiple tgt indexing, mixing up the MOE. Finished up with 50, 1-1 drills. I've been loading a mag of 10 lately and 1 empty. That way I can practice reduced capacity reloads after each combat/emergency reload.
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Great work!
Had that good feeling today that's only there from time to time. 1st cold shot out of the rig from 25yds on an 8†disc was a hit. The pace was set and I put in some solid work on barriers, throwing in mag changes and mixing up the MOE. No word yet from STI on shipping my gun.
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Last night was our night at the range for the Citizens police academy.
Shot the AR-15 (suppressed) and the Glock 22 for the first time. The Glock had no safeties. :o
Both were nice to shoot. I was surprised how little recoil the AR had.
Awesome! Sounds like you had fun and an eye opening experience. Actually the Glock has 3 safeties that work in sequence as you press the trigger. [thumbsup]
Michael cut up through the Panhandle yesterday skirting by us and left behind an absolutely beautiful day. Put in some good work from 50, 25 then up in the 10-15 range. Worked a bunch of multiple tgt indexing while on the move as well as mag changes. Used my truck as an obstacle and shot a wide left to right transition. The right target from my angle was a foot off the side of the truck. ;)
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Solid work today. Singles, multiples. Multiple target indexing, mag changes, and work from 25-50. Was on my last 3 mags and noticed I lost my fiber optic front. I was on a roll so I didn't replace it. Ran the last mags old school style black/black sights. Not an issue by any means.
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https://twitter.com/theplaylist/status/1052261351475822592?s=21
Time to change your username again! Hehehe!
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=60673.msg1411613#msg1411613
I believe I mentioned it before. This isn't a gunfight movie like John Wick or Colllateral. The main scene I trained Nicole for is the bank shootout. She does some other gun play in it, but it's not the focus of Karyn's film.
Absolutely perfect weather today. I ran 300+ rounds working targets in depth. This type of shooting needs to be added to your training if it's not already incorporated. Worked diagonal movement both directions on multiple tgts as well. Mag change drills as usual.
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Ricky from STI called today and also sent me a pic of the gun. He's the guy who did all the work. It got back from getting DLC coating and they did the barrel as well. He's out of the small screws that hold the RMR on, so he couldn't ship it yet. I have a set of Ti ones, but I'll wait and double check the measurements. It's gonna be a beast.
New slide (I didn't have them cut a notch for a front sightpost)
New barrel
New grip (smaller for my cabbage patch hands and undercut on the bottom of the trigger guard)
New trigger shoe (shorter reach for my booger picker)
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Looking forward to a shootin review!
Quote from: kopfjäger on October 17, 2018, 07:02:46 AM
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=60673.msg1411613#msg1411613
I believe I mentioned it before. This isn't a gunfight movie like John Wick or Colllateral. The main scene I trained Nicole for is the bank shootout. She does some other gun play in it, but it's not the focus of Karyn's film.
That's pretty cool.
Quote from: Statler on October 22, 2018, 06:44:12 AM
That's pretty cool.
Holy make the beast with two backssticks!!
Working for Uncle Sugar for a month so it squeezes my range days, but I got in a good one today. Warmed up on the 6-8†discs then got down to business. Targets in-depth working them front to back, left to right and reverse of those. Did moving mag changes on multiples, used my car as an obstacle on a wide L-R transition from 25, then did some singles from the holster at 50.
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LAX Ammunition is having a deal on 9mm.
I've ordered from them before and wouldn't hesitate to buy from them again.
Thanks. Just ordered 1k of their 147gr remain. I'll see how it runs.
That should last a while...
Like ah, two days! Lol!
Quote from: GK on October 24, 2018, 03:10:47 AM
That should last a while...
Like ah, two days! Lol!
Only if a day and a half is spent driving to and from the range. ;D
Actually 1k lasts me 4 training sessions. I try and keep it at 2k per month. Occasionally I'll run more. ;)
Still something not right when Daryl buys more ammo for work than I do. :-\
Quote from: Bick on October 24, 2018, 09:14:27 AM
Still something not right when Daryl buys more ammo for work than I do. :-\
Maybe you need to work more on your spray-n-pray strategy? [cheeky]
Weather held out for me today. Ran 300rds doing a bunch of multiple target indexing with mag changes between the tgts. Some work around a barrier (I stack two plastic 50g barrels). Weak side, strong side. Finished from 50yds.
Nice!
Headspace and timing was off today, but I fought through it best I could. Worked a variation on reload drills today. 3 mags (1-2-5rds) first mag in the gun has 1 but no round in the chamber. Draw attempt to fire (not hot mopping it) tap rack single shot slide lock reload, mag of 2 then 5. Great drill if you work all the fundamentals hard.
FFF!
Something besides pistols...
https://youtu.be/MgqIWDPMALk
I love shit blowing up. :P
There's a unit here that brings them to Pelham range (behind my house basically) and live fire trains with all of their cannons twice a year. Always gave me the willies when they were on an adjacent range. I could envision a cannonball taking my leg off while on was on glass training snipers.
Rained out today, so I did a full on dry fire session in the backyard. You name it, I most likely ran it. Bunch of concealed work since I didn't have to worry about sticking a hot ass gun down the front of my pants.
Sounds good Mate!
However, shouldn't a hot ass gun go down the BACK of your pants!!!! LOL!
Quote from: ducpainter on November 01, 2018, 04:00:53 PM
Something besides pistols...
https://youtu.be/MgqIWDPMALk
I love shit blowing up. :P
That's crazy!
That pressure wave...
Quote from: GK on November 01, 2018, 10:57:52 PM
Sounds good Mate!
However, shouldn't a hot ass gun go down the BACK of your pants!!!! LOL!
Come on, that was funny! Lol!
Quote from: GK on November 05, 2018, 05:55:04 PM
Come on, that was funny! Lol!
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The STI is back home. I'll get someone to post a pic of it. It's a beast!
Quote from: kopfjäger on November 06, 2018, 03:56:57 PM
The STI is back home. I'll get someone to post a pic of it. It's a beast!
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Thanks Bick. Ok, there's the beast. STI did excellent work on it. The reason I built this was to have an educated answer about running an RMR. Plenty of opinions out there, but I wanted to do my own homework. This is the adjustable RMR from Trijicon and it's a really nice piece of kit. I'm gonna try and zero it tomorrow before I head up to Chattanooga. (Uncle Sugar) I'll start my 5k round test the following week. Oh by the way, that is 4†Tactical. Same length slide as my M&P 2.0 or Glock 19. Mag capacity is 17.
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... and a Prius.
Going to be a factory option from Toyoya?
Get some! Get some baby!
$27 a round! That's a tad dearer than the average ammo!
Lol!
I was able to zero the RMR when I was working in Chattanooga. Tomorrow starts the 5k round train up. First 500 will be single shots from position 3. (Or the ready, or depressed muzzle, or high ready, or whatever the make the beast with two backs the newest buzzword is) I'm gonna try and do 500 round blocks for each drill. I'm basically gonna teach myself how to shoot as if I've never shot before. This should take 2 months give or take. I've dry fired the beast so much the past few, that my make the beast with two backsing thumbs are sore.
Ran 450+ all single shots from 3. Gun ran great, but I need a softer recoil spring for running the 147gr ammo. I was chomping at the bit to cut it loose, but I'm sticking to my plan.
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Double thumbs up kopf!
https://youtu.be/uB3WbQWVpY8
Quote from: kopfjäger on November 19, 2018, 01:59:17 PM
I was able to zero the RMR when I was working in Chattanooga. Tomorrow starts the 5k round train up. First 500 will be single shots from position 3. (Or the ready, or depressed muzzle, or high ready, or whatever the make the beast with two backs the newest buzzword is) I'm gonna try and do 500 round blocks for each drill. I'm basically gonna teach myself how to shoot as if I've never shot before. This should take 2 months give or take. I've dry fired the beast so much the past few, that my make the beast with two backsing thumbs are sore.
Thinking about putting the same sight an a Glock 40 MOS.
Are you co-witnessing the existing sights and does it make a difference whether you do or don't?
Quote from: Zaster on November 25, 2018, 10:35:42 AM
Thinking about putting the same sight an a Glock 40 MOS.
Are you co-witnessing the existing sights and does it make a difference whether you do or don't?
Great question. Several theories out there now, and that's part of the reason I'm doing a full 5k round test. The red dot is certainly not a bandaid and will require even more training to be able to run it as fast as iron sights. The focus is completely different and depending on how much a person has shot this can be difficult. I personally don't believe in co-witnessing sights. Our subconscious mind is more powerful than our conscious mind and will try and grab the iron sights if they're in our focal plain. If' someone really needs (not sure why) to run irons in conjunction with the RMR, it definitely needs to be in front of the RMR. For folks afraid the red dot will go down on them during an engagement, I say front sight post only. I've trained that drill with SF guys for decades on an M4. You just use the glass as a large rear sight and center and align the front sight post in it. At CQB distances you can easily hit center mass. I'm not gonna try a 25-50yd head shot that way. (Real world. In training yes).
I'm not running any sights on that gun other than the RMR. ymmv
Here's something else to think about. When running iron sights our focus is on sight alingnment, equal height equal light. This is a conscious thought as the subconscious will override us and want to see the target, not how it works. (That's why you miss. That and a bunch of other shit we do as shooters) Running a red dot we can actually focus (natural) on the target and superimpose the dot on it. This therory is being debated as well. I'm gonna run it both ways and see what happens. For guys running just irons, DO NOT run tritium 3 dot setups. Contrasting sights is the answer, black rear and fiber optic front outshines everything.
Thanks for the informative reply.
I have a Vortex Venom on my M&P and struggled finding the dot while looking at the target.
As always, continued practice was the remedy.
Just wondered what the best set up might be for the quickest dot to target acquisition.
The Trijicon RMR is the 'standard', the Leupold Delta Point is solid as well, although they don't have as wide a variety of dot sizes. (6.5 is optimum for SD shooting) The Vortex is a good buy, but doesn't stand up to really hard work. Folks gotta remember that red dot on a pistol has to ride the slide. Lots of beating and banging around. I would have to be standing on the range with you to really be able to give you feedback on what might be happening. Just a quick pointer (you may already be doing it). The red dot ðŸ"´ has to come up to your eye (line of sight) without moving/dipping your head. If not we have two things moving in opposite directions and trying to stop them both. Head up, eyes up, gun up. Dry fire that red dot at nauseam.
FFF
Might have to give you a call and pick your brain before I spend big $.
The Glock 40MOS is meant to be a hunter for hog, deer or bear which should reach out to 50 yards +.
That said, what would be your recommendation for dot size?
Let me know what would be a good time to call.
If you're pretty much gonna shoot it at 50+, the 3.25 would work. Call anytime.
Shot the second drill today. Controlled pairs from position 3, 500rds. The STI is down, so I ran the M&P with a new RMR. Everything is pretty straightforward so far, we'll see how it goes as I progress to more difficult drills. I'm digging it so far.
FFF
What's up with the STI?
Lockup is too tight and the extractor needs tweaking. He'll get it back to me pretty quick.
Ran 500rds today from position 1 (holstered). 250 singles/250 controlled pairs, driving the dot back in for a second-third sight picture. Several times I'd drive the gun to a second or third target, but not shooting (don't want to get ahead of my plan). I've been running AngelFire 147.
Another 500rd session today. Singles/Controlled Pairs on tgts of varying sizes, heights and distances. Putting in the work on learning the RMR.
FFF
Kopf, how many hours a week would you say you spend putting lead down range?
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 04, 2018, 03:52:24 PM
Kopf, how many hours a week would you say you spend putting lead down range?
I only do two live fire sessions per week when I'm training. Normally it's 250-300rds per session. I'm shooting 500 each now because I'm doing a 5k trainup with the RMR. It only takes 1 1/2 hrs per normal training session, but these are taking a bit longer. I do dedicated dry fire sessions on the other days. That's where we make our biggest gains, it can be done anywhere and it's free.
I bought my STI in 2007, and it's time for for a refresh. Likely doing the RMR cut as well.
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Another 500rd session with the RMR. I ran singles, doubles, strings of 5 and started multiple tgt engagements. Two tgts initially L-R, then started doubles and ran a few 3-5 tgt multiples. The brain is slowly figuring out the bouncing ðŸ"´. ;)
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Continued with the RMR train up. 300rds of varying MOE's at different distances, 10-25yds. I picked up a couple AR500 4â€x8†tgts. Worked single shots from the rig at 12-15yds on them. It's starting to come around.
Got the STI back last night and ran 500rds through it today. First thought every time I simply rack the slide on this gun is...Why the make the beast with two backs am I shooting my other pistols! Worked a bunch of drills from 10-50. This puts me close to 3k running the RMR.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qoDZECIjwhA&t=0s
Anybody got any FHE with the Kimber Ultra .45s?
I've been ogling one at a local gun shop and am smitten....
https://youtu.be/LqqHEChH0Ec
Merry Christmas! Great carol! Lol!
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VERY nice!
https://youtu.be/7_TaK0WZj2k
Perfect weather today. Went through another 500rd session running the STI with the RMR. Kinda stumbled on something during dry fire training over the weekend to make picking up the ðŸ"´ during presentation much smoother. Worked a lot of multiples today and finished up with several mags of 1-1 drills.
Did another session today, 400rds. Trying to beat the weather that's coming in tomorrow. Pretty solid day with a mix of drills. Chasing the bouncing ðŸ"´. ;)
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 18, 2018, 03:15:45 PM
Kinda stumbled on something during dry fire training over the weekend to make picking up the ðŸ"´ during presentation much smoother.
Do tell, since I have yet to achieve that with my first RMR/pistol combination!
Quote from: Zaster on December 20, 2018, 06:39:37 PM
Do tell, since I have yet to achieve that with my first RMR/pistol combination!
I'm gonna email you a video I did for a buddy.
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 20, 2018, 06:49:29 PM
I'm gonna email you a video I did for a buddy.
You suck...not! Thank you my friend!
;)
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Your business name could be 3F Training.
Or maybe F3 Training.
400rd session today. Multiple drills working from 10 to 50. The STI is running great and my little brain is getting a better handle on the RMR. Ordered all the parts yesterday to build a 1911.
FFF
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 25, 2018, 02:25:06 PM
Ordered all the parts yesterday to build a 1911.
I have a Caspian frame that I need to build out. I was on the wait list for Yost, but my reservation must have been lost. That was a decade ago [laugh]
Did you buy a parts kit, or buy individually?
Quote from: zach on December 25, 2018, 02:50:39 PM
I have a Caspian frame that I need to build out. I was on the wait list for Yost, but my reservation must have been lost. That was a decade ago [laugh]
Did you buy a parts kit, or buy individually?
I just ordered individually. Spreading the love. ;)
Fusion
Wilson
Ed Brown
Aftec
McCormick
Dawson
Went back to back again this week. Got several days of rain 🌧 heading my way. Beautiful 63 degrado day, and I was in a groove, I don't get many days like that. Ran 400+ rounds doing all different types of drills, MOE's and distances. I'm damn close to the 5k round count for the RMR train up. I'll post my' thoughts soon for anyone that gives a rats ass.
Look forward to it!
Ran another 400rds today. This puts me over the 5k train up with the RMR. It's coming around little by little. At this point I consider myself trained on how to use the RMR. I will continue to run it hard. My thoughts at this point are, and I've talked about it during this train up. It's certainly not a bandaid and if you want to run one, you'll need to put even more training time into it to get good.
All of my training is based around CMMS/SDS shooting. I believe you can be very efficient with irons as long as you put the work in. If you still aren't shooting a fiber optic front sight, I'd highly recommend going that route prior to running an RMR.
At this stage of the game I'm no faster with the RMR, maybe first round out of the rig, but across the board similar results. I've only got 5k rounds using this optic and couldn't guess how many rounds I've shot through irons. So, as time goes on I'm sure I'll continue to get better. ymmv
The 1911 (4â€) we're building will be an iron sight gun.
FFF
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Toys for Christmas! ;D
S&W M&P9 Compact 2.0 and Kimber K6S .357, preliminary plinking in the woods while freezing my ass off was fun, gonna love them both. Can't wait to get to the range.
Thanks for the input on the M&P, Kopf!
Oh hell yeaah! [evil]
They look great! Nicely done.
Several of the best shooters in the game. I follow Maria, that's how I ran across this vid. Some great split screen footage. Mad skills.
https://youtu.be/nrOyh0TDD-g
https://youtu.be/06iuga9G9T4
Got rained out on Thursday, so I did a makeup session today. Back to my normal round count, ran 250rds of various drills. Hit mag changes pretty hard.
FFF
I hate being near those open guns. :o
Quote from: red baron on January 07, 2019, 08:27:29 PM
I hate being near those open guns. :o
Production rules. Race guns are fun to watch though.
https://youtu.be/3uelSe66az4
250rd session today. Multiple drills. I shot the 8†disc from 50 today, from the holster. This is where the RMR really shines.
FFF
https://youtu.be/L6aNzFYHyz8
https://youtu.be/Qi2kaDzGh9A
[laugh]
[laugh] [laugh]
make the beast with two backs it, I'll test it out.
https://www.theatomicbear.com/products/bear-gun-magnet
That looks like an interesting item!
Put some solid work in today on shooting on the move. Multiples, barriers, and mag changes. The RMR is tuff (for me) to grab during movement. I'm up for the challenge though. 250rds. Oh, the guy I get my holsters from made me a new one for the 2011. I really like his work.
FFF
Got the majority of the 1911 build parts ordered. Commander in 9mm.
Caspian frame & slide (4-5 weeks out)
Fusion match grade barrel
Wilson Combat (bulletproof) for all internals
SVI trigger
Tripp Research mags
VZ grips
Couple other odds and ends to get.
We are gonna build a really small magwell for it.
This one is for Bick!
https://youtu.be/NgA6goSyjJQ
Pfft, I thought he was gonna do something exciting and shoot the camera. ;D
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 14, 2019, 04:47:32 PM
Wilson Combat (bulletproof) for all internals
Pun intended. ;D
36 and overcast, but I got a decent session in. 250rds working multiples, movement etc. Moved back to 50 and worked some 4 and 8†square tgts from the draw. Aim small miss small.
FFF
https://youtu.be/r5capbhKlVA
I wish my range had that target scoring setup. I'm looking at some of the battery powered wireless camera systems for the 1k range.
Made up for getting rained out yesterday. 300rds of various drills. The STI is good and broke in now, and running like a Singer.
FFF
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 18, 2019, 02:39:34 PM
Made up for getting rained out yesterday. 300rds of various drills. The STI is good and broke in now, and running like a Singer.
FFF
Sewing machine smoothness!
Ripper!
'Backblast area Clear' ;)
https://youtu.be/pFSIu7CyawI
200rd session today, all 1-1 drills at varying distance. Did some moving mag changes as well.
FFF
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 20, 2019, 08:17:52 PM
'Backblast area Clear' ;)
https://youtu.be/pFSIu7CyawI
Finally a good use for a Landrover.
Specs on the G43X and G48.
https://us.glock.com/a-perfect-fit
https://www.instagram.com/gunfunnypodcast/p/BtOdmPknegH/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=t2aegyrcgamy
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Gun porn!
My carry, all tricked out with Proctor sights, Wilson barrel, and Apex trigger and extractor. Minnesota winter means weekend gunsmithing. ;D
[thumbsup]
I'll just leave this here: tacticalwalls.com
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"Hold my beer!" :-\
https://tinyurl.com/y3uws5q5
Just saw a blurb somewhere where some similar genius thought his steel toed boots would save his foot from a .45 round.
It didn't work. Shocking.
[laugh] [laugh]
https://youtu.be/uVDoHbl-D98
https://youtu.be/NIJqbKXcSkA
[evil] [thumbsup]
Finally got the M&P done. Slide and RMR cuts along with new cerakote. Couldn't shoot it today because I'm building an Arc. ⛈ â˜"ï¸
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 21, 2019, 06:09:46 PM
Finally got the M&P done. Slide and RMR cuts along with new cerakote. Couldn't shoot it today because I'm building an Arc. ⛈ â˜"ï¸
Better put a k on the end of that thing or it'll never float.
Winter sucks. Significant snowfall almost every other day. What to do but build my first AR? Bits and pieces are on the way, will be a .243Win to match my beloved Ruger deer rifle and for something a little different.
Pics to follow.
8) 8) 8)
Quote from: ducpainter on February 22, 2019, 03:17:40 AM
Better put a k on the end of that thing or it'll never float.
[laugh] [laugh]
Quote from: ducpainter on February 22, 2019, 03:17:40 AM
Better put a k on the end of that thing or it'll never float.
A good arc on a puddle could lead to shocking results.
Quote from: Speedbag on February 22, 2019, 05:37:20 AM
Winter sucks. Significant snowfall almost every other day. What to do but build my first AR? Bits and pieces are on the way, will be a .243Win to match my beloved Ruger deer rifle and for something a little different.
Pics to follow.
8) 8) 8)
Oh hell to the yeaah. [thumbsup]
Lower receiver is in my hands as of minutes ago. 8)
I've been busy loading shot shells. I bought a PW 375C single stage for 20 gauge a while back and I use that for spreaders. You can kind of see it in the background on the right. I picked this beast up just before the first of the year... It's a PW 800+
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/BCOq7oDUGZ5Sx09x9aWmKB1VSk42gBd114LTFhS6B9qcpovRKhy8FWUezFW14irXxwUbLi1BB1Ym-hjgYvbFrxK6ekbd_QtZIDaqHmgEwlnRT9nO90qc4Hie_15uA-bXLewdK1BvGA=w2400)
It was set up for manual operation in the pic, but it came with a hydro unit, toolheads for 4 gauges, and a 40 gal barrel full of 12 gauge once fired hulls. With the hydro unit installed, and having a good session where nothing bad happens, trust me...when bad stuff happens shot and powder go flying everywhere :P, I can load about 750 shells an hour.
Nice
Along with construction on the house, this was my other summer project - a friend sold me this old .50 caliber CVA Hawken replica for peanuts. It was a 1970s era kit gun, slapped together without any finish work and a few minor parts missing. The lock and trigger needed work, but the slow-twist barrel is well-made & very accurate with roundballs, and I was pleasantly surprised that it gets along really well with modern, conical hunting bullets. I re-fitted all the wood & metal so that everything fits flush, re-finished the stock & re-browned all the steel parts (except the barrel, which is in good shape and a PITA to brown). Since I was trying for a working, frontier-style look that I could hunt & bang around in the woods without worrying about, I kept fancy stuff to a minimum and added some tack work on the stock; that's my 3 triangles logo at the waist, and a simple compass rose on the forestock.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7843/32257888297_60da55085e_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/R9w7kT)IMG_20181014_101330673 (https://flic.kr/p/R9w7kT) by triangleforge (https://www.flickr.com/photos/7138702@N03/), on Flickr
I didn't like the look of the casting on the rear sight, so I filed off all the mold sprue marks, and then got a little carried away:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7923/32257887587_122dbc2c65_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/R9w78D)IMG_20181014_101509940 (https://flic.kr/p/R9w78D) by triangleforge (https://www.flickr.com/photos/7138702@N03/), on Flickr
It shoots really nicely. Apparently, the local deer caught wind of that, which is why I spent a week last November watching elk with a deer tag in my pocket. [roll]
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7882/32257962507_a1e1cbe7f4_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/R9wupn)IMG_20181112_065136549 (https://flic.kr/p/R9wupn) by triangleforge (https://www.flickr.com/photos/7138702@N03/), on Flickr
8)
I've got a similar Hawken that my Dad built when I was a kid hanging on the wall in my basement lounge. Should really pull it down and make some smoke with it this year.
Nice setup Nate!!!
Thanks Frank.
Out at Nellis AFB training some PJ's. (Carbine/Pistol) Just finished up day 2. Solid group of young dudes. Fighter jets buzzing us all day. F-18's, F-35's. Thunderbirds are practicing as well. Good times!
So that others may live
Just finished with the boys. You name the drills (and a shit ton you've never seen) we ran them. Great week of training, and I'm slightly deaf after having fighter jets buzz us all day everyday. Had a really good night training session last night. After a little white light, we ran everything on NOD's. Solid dudes! (mostly)
Quote from: ducpainter on February 22, 2019, 01:51:26 PM
I've been busy loading shot shells. I bought a PW 375C single stage for 20 gauge a while back and I use that for spreaders. You can kind of see it in the background on the right. I picked this beast up just before the first of the year... It's a PW 800+
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/BCOq7oDUGZ5Sx09x9aWmKB1VSk42gBd114LTFhS6B9qcpovRKhy8FWUezFW14irXxwUbLi1BB1Ym-hjgYvbFrxK6ekbd_QtZIDaqHmgEwlnRT9nO90qc4Hie_15uA-bXLewdK1BvGA=w2400)
It was set up for manual operation in the pic, but it came with a hydro unit, toolheads for 4 gauges, and a 40 gal barrel full of 12 gauge once fired hulls. With the hydro unit installed, and having a good session where nothing bad happens, trust me...when bad stuff happens shot and powder go flying everywhere :P, I can load about 750 shells an hour.
Is it worth the work?
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Quote from: red baron on March 03, 2019, 06:44:17 AM
Is it worth the work?
I can save a buck a box.
I don't really do it for the money saved. I do it so I can load what I want. I've been loading 7/8 oz lately. Light recoil, and when you're shooting 100 rounds in a couple hours it makes a difference...plus...it keeps me out of the bar. ;D
Quote from: red baron on March 03, 2019, 06:44:17 AM
Is it worth the work?
reloading is not cost efficient. don't get into it if you want to save money. the up-front cost of the equipment can be very high and materials (bullets, powder, and primers) has gone way up.
I used to be able to get 7.62nato bullet pulls (FMJ 147gr) for around $50 per 1000. Those days are gone, gone gone.
Load because you enjoy it or because you're a real perfectionist or because you like shooting some obscure caliber. That's about it.
I still will load my 7.5 Swiss because none of the commercial ammo is as good as the original RUAG milsurp. Hard to hit past 300m otherwise.
Anybody ever checked headspace on a new AR, direct from a manufacturer (i.e. complete, not pieced together)? I'm curious about this, and how stringent an off-the-shelf build is (or not) in this regard.
I've got all the important bits together for my AR10 build (all new stuff). Since I'm an anal, engineer sort, I figured I'd check headspace -- bolt closes on a no-go gauge. Info on the web regarding AR headspace is all over the map. Some say checking isn't needed, others swear by it.
Personally, I like to err on the safe side, but I tend to overthink too. Hopefully someone has some FHE....
Put it together and run it like you stole it.
https://youtu.be/7tFesNuC_wk
No Warthog no care
No woman no cry.
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2019/03/elaine-d/interview-with-a-gunwoman-becca-spinks-on-coming-up-through-the-ranks/
Happy 3/08. ;)
Shot an RMR with the 3.25 dot out in Nevada. Got one on the way and I'll put one of my 6.5's on the scattergun. The frame is finished for the 1911 build, and the slide is about done. Hopefully it'll all ship next week. I want this build in the worst way. I'm picking up a G48 and I'm gonna truck it out a little. Grip work, sights, trigger etc. nobody has a matchgrade barrel yet.
FFF
Picked up the 48. Ordered sights, trigger etc for it. This gun has some potential. 1911 goodies shipped today. It'll take a month or so to get it sorted out. The 3.25 RMR showed up as well, I'll run it tomorrow.
I can watch this shit for hours. 8)
https://youtu.be/C-copJcNiL4
Gonna miss every time with that gun. ;D
Quote from: Speedbag on March 12, 2019, 05:51:00 AM
Gonna miss every time with that gun. ;D
[laugh] [laugh]
Ran a couple three hundred rounds with the 3.25 dot today. Zero was close enough for gubment work out of the box. I'll tweak it as I go. Now the 6.5 looks like a trash can lid. I believe this is the ticket. ymmv.
FFF
Went back to back, weather coming in tomorrow. Absolutely beautiful day and I was feeling it today. 50yds and in, multiples, mag change drills, movement, obstacles. Got fresh cerakote and sights on the new G48, trigger from Agency is on the way.
FFF
monotone on the G48?
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[laugh]
Doing a train up this week for one of the youngsters going to SFARTAETC. I ran that G48 today pretty hard. I'm liking that gun a lot.
https://www.ammoland.com/2019/03/mp-m2-0-compact-pistol-selected-as-2019-american-rifleman-handgun-of-the-year/
Finished the train up today. We put him through countless drills this week and he's looking solid. Shouldn't have any trouble at the school house. I did a drill today I came up with last night. An advanced ball & dummy drill so to speak. I would put mags in his guns and kit that had all kinds of different round counts, some empty. I gave him an MOE, and he just had to deal with what transpired. Now that I'm retired, it's an honor to train young barrel chested freedom fighters.
De Oppresso Liber
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The beast is assembled. Now it's a matter of waiting for the range to thaw to tune the gas block and figure out what to put on it for optics.
[evil] [evil] [evil]
Oh hell to the yeaah!! 8)
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 11, 2019, 07:31:33 PM
I can watch this shit for hours. 8)
https://youtu.be/C-copJcNiL4
I recently got a quote on a laser marking machine. Fiber so it would mark steel. It was in the 60's :P
60's WTF
Just to be able to mark a steel part?
I'd expect cutting for 60
Quote from: Speeddog on March 28, 2019, 07:47:34 PM
60's WTF
Just to be able to mark a steel part?
I'd expect cutting for 60
Fiber lasers are big boy lasers that can mark anything. The can also do ablative engraving that actually removes material.
Tool shop down the road marked a US flag on the head of a .01" diameter pin. Under a scope it was clear as day.
Quote from: Monsterlover on March 29, 2019, 07:35:11 PM
Fiber lasers are big boy lasers that can mark anything. The can also do ablative engraving that actually removes material.
Tool shop down the road marked a US flag on the head of a .01" diameter pin. Under a scope it was clear as day.
Friend I've known forever has worked on laser manipulation machines nearly his whole career.
They're batshit crazy, the supermodel of industrial equipment.
UV lasers need lenses made out of a 'glass' that's more like soap.
They consume vast electrical power to make vast heat and a wee bit of light.
Worked at RCTA again last week training LEOs. I'm doing everything I can at this point to pass the knowledge I have. It went well, and eyes were opened. Hopefully they will continue to train hard.
FFF
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Results of the qualification drill for my carry permit yesterday. Load mag with 5, shoot at first distance, eject and load 5, shoot at second distance, eject and load 5, shoot at third distance, eject.
Most carry qualifications I've heard about were 'hit paper with three rounds at close range' and done. Not with this instructor, LEO and military guy. Fun stuff, but a little more nerve wracking than normal range time (as it should be). Best part was when the guy told me, "perfect" as I finished up.
[thumbsup]
Facebook targets?
I thought they were anti 2A?
Ya'll don't have to draw from concealment and fire?
Quote from: red baron on April 01, 2019, 07:47:27 PM
Was that passing Speedbag?
WTF, he killed 'em with that neck shot
They don't worry about drawing from concealment here, they were concerned with proper and safe handling and operation. And hitting the target with all rounds. As I said, I've heard of other instructors being much less stringent. In my mind the guy I had was what I feel a carry instructor should be at a minimum.
I thought the FB targets was kind of funny....
The neck shot got him, and I assumed he was right handed so he wasn't going to get me with his weapon either. ;D
First 5 are in the tgts right shoulder. Second 5 are low, last 5 in the red. ;)
Those places aren't really training you. Not the way I teach anyhow. It's a money making loophole.
Agreed, total money making loophole.....
Yeah, I need more practice. :)
No worries. Everyone needs more training time. There's no red or blue pill, or my ass would've eaten a whole make the beast with two backsing jar along time ago. 8)
Solid work today. Started with a cold bore 50yd shot from the holster, 10x18 AR500 tgt. Ding! Only ran 200rds, but worked a bunch of drills.
FFF
Anyone wanna buy some 10 round Glock mags, LOL.
It's insanity over here.
Apparently Brownells has sold over 350,000 regular capacity and greater mags to Kalifornistan! [clap] I ran into the Glockstore today and they were sold out too.
I should've bought some stock. Glad I'm in no need for new mags right now.
Great.
I'm in the market for a couple more 15-rounders for my M&P, they'll probably be unavailable for weeks....
Was in a groove today. Started with a cold bore 50yd shot from the holster. Hit or miss, then moved up to train. Worked a lot around barriers today and a shit ton of mag changes. My targets are all at different distances, sizes and heights. Side by side by side tgts at the same distance do not replicate a real world scenario.
FFF
Put a Johnny Glock trigger and striker in the 48. Much cleaner than the Agency Arms, but he uses the stock Glock trigger shoe, and I make the beast with two backsing hate them. It should run pretty sweet and I'm getting my holster and mag pouches from my guy tomorrow. I'll talk to Johnny next week and ask if I send him a different trigger shoe, will he build it. I'm sure he will. The frame and slide for my 1911 build finally shipped. [evil]
FFF
Quote from: kopfjäger on April 05, 2019, 05:07:25 PM
Put a Johnny Glock trigger and striker in the 48. Much cleaner than the Agency Arms, but he uses the stock Glock trigger shoe, and I make the beast with two backsing hate them. It should run pretty sweet and I'm getting my holster and mag pouches from my guy tomorrow. I'll talk to Johnny next week and ask if I send him a different trigger shoe, will he build it. I'm sure he will. The frame and slide for my 1911 build finally shipped. [evil]
FFF
I love me some 1911's!
Nothing compares to a high end 1911/2011. Every time I pick on up and just rack the slide, I giggle like a kid. They can be finicky though.
Yeah baby! I know I'm make the beast with two backsed. :D
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/04/04/these-us-troops-are-slowly-being-poisoned-lead-their-bones.html
My holster guy brought me my rig for the G48. I'm gonna get busy with it next session. Dry fired it for about 30min today. I'm digging this gun so far.
https://youtu.be/GVoeTA0P9C0
Probably could have cured cancer in the time it took to construct that beautiful thing.
https://youtu.be/rIlwHT4IdRc
First full training session with the G48, 250-300rds. I'm digging this gun so far, the mag changes are a little tougher, but I'll work through it. Ran a bunch of drills and did a single from the holster at 50. Bang-Ding.
FFF
Dancing around some weather, so I went back to back. Ran another 300rds through the 48. Mag changes are eating me up. Agency Arms is planning on making a little mag well for it and I'm gonna snag one ASAP.
FFF
Quote from: kopfjäger on April 06, 2019, 12:31:45 PM
Yeah baby! I know I'm make the beast with two backsed. :D
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/04/04/these-us-troops-are-slowly-being-poisoned-lead-their-bones.html
Stopped shooting indoors and better hygiene while processing brass and bought my level down to 3 from 18. [thumbsup]
Good call. I almost never shoot indoors and I don't pick up brass. I'm make the beast with two backsed from decades of exposure in general. Nobody gets out alive. ;)
Just spoke with Johnny Glock. He's gonna build me another trigger for the 48 using my Agency Arms trigger shoe. 8)
https://youtu.be/gOPEpsGJyCs
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Absolutely beautiful day today. Ran the G48 pretty hard this afternoon. 300ish rds, running multiple drills. Worked the mag changes hard and the skinny gun is coming around. (Actually the gun isn't doing anything different, but my sorry ass is getting in the groove).
FFF
Thinking about picking up another M&P9 2.0 for range use, full size (5") this time.
A buddy thinks I need to be part of pistol league at the conservation club....
Quote from: Speedbag on April 17, 2019, 08:14:51 AM
Thinking about picking up another M&P9 2.0 for range use, full size (5") this time.
A buddy thinks I need to be part of pistol league at the conservation club....
You can do anything on the range with the 4. Shorter guns are easier to control running multiple tgt engagements etc. Easier to draw from the holster as well. I don't have any pistols that are more than 4-4.25. Although none of this has anything to do with need', it's all about want. ;)
4.25" was the other thought. ;D
[evil] 8)
But still thinking about the 5" since the 4.25" is too close to the EDC. ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Speedbag on April 18, 2019, 01:04:55 PM
But still thinking about the 5" since the 4.25" is too close to the EDC. ;D ;D ;D
Range gun should be no bigger than what you carry. Unless you're playing a 'game'. Everything I do relates to CMMS/SDS. Far to many gun nerds at matches. :D
Pretty solid work today. The 48 allows me to run the controls with my strong hand. I haven't been able to do this for decades (I run/ran them with my non firing thumb). It's gonna take some work to basically what amounts to a totally different way to run the gun. 300+ rds today, almost all were 1-1 drills. I aired it out a little bit at the end of the session.
FFF
Quote from: kopfjäger on April 18, 2019, 02:46:21 PM
Range gun should be no bigger than what you carry.
[roll]
Wilson did the EDC X9 in a 5â€.
https://youtu.be/oouEG_YK-vw
They had me digging the vid right up to 2:17 [bang]
Back at it today, was up in Chattanooga doing some squirrel work. Ran 300+ through the 48. It needs a little more tweaking, but this skinny gun has serious potential.
FFF
The new hotness. I'll give it a go as soon as I can get one.
https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2019/4/25/first-look-trijicon-sro-specialized-reflex-optic/
I'm currently running an RMR on my Walther Q5 Match. I originally had the RMR RM05 dual illuminated model (no batteries needed.) I upgraded to the RM06 3.25MOA illuminated last year and have really liked the optic. Big improvement. I like the idea of the SRO, and it fixes my biggest complaint with the illuminated RMR; having to change batteries at the range to check zero. I'm glad that Trijicon is going to a battery accessible from the top.
i change by batteries every 3 months. Overkill I'm sure, but it makes me feel better.
Dude. The battery in the RMR will last up to 3yrs. It's certainly not a big deal to change them out, what, 3-5min. The SRO seems to be an upgrade,but only 1-2-5moa as of now. If you get one before I do, post thoughts on it.
I may have been overdoing it [laugh]
Fairly solid session today, 300ish rds thru the G48. Started with a cold 25yd shot from the holster on a 8â€x8†plate, Ding. My boy had taken most of the steel to a match this weekend, so I only had small tgts to work.
FFF
“If you have a good sight picture with a clean trigger press you'll have first round hits every time. Sounds simple, but it takes relentless pursuit of perfection just to master those two tasks.â€
“Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in.†Group has brought me in as an advisor for SFAUC. Actually we've been discussing it for a few years. I thought the youngsters had listened to me before I retired, but they've been steadily make the beast with two backsing up my legacy. ;) They're giving me 8 days during the 3 week course, and I'll spread it around. I've been grooming the lead instructor for awhile now, and he finally understands the method to the madness. I worked with the assistant instructors for a few hours today and will continue with them tomorrow and Thursday leading up to the start of the course on Monday. It's an honor for me to work with these young barrel chested freedom fighters.
De Oppresso Liber
From back in the day. This was filmed late 01 early 02. I'm rocking iron sights in that thumbnail.
https://youtu.be/cDxjTvJe-hM
Finished with the instructor train up today. We did 2 days of flat range work, a day of training in the shoot house, and today we did 3 separate hits on 2 different targets. We had 2 UH-60 fast rope capable birds. Basically did a rolling thunder. Back to back to back. Solid work by the boys.
FFF
Day 1 with the class. Solid group of dudes, but they need some grooming. I was dropping knowledge bombs all day today. Back in my element training SF guys. This is an honor for me, and if you know me, I don't take this shit lightly.
De Oppresso Liber
When did Hollywood D get so into shooting? ;D
Quote from: Bick on May 06, 2019, 06:59:06 PM
When did Hollywood D get so into shooting? ;D
Probably around 86 when I taught sniper school in the Marines. ;) Actually texted with Nic today. She still loves me. 8) Oh, and the movie my old TM SGT wrote about ODA 765 is a go. The director, who was the stunt coordinator on Destroyer is in town. I'll be bringing him out to observe some of the training first hand. I'm gonna scramble his brain. ;) He's gonna bring me on as the technical advisor.
Quote from: kopfjäger on May 06, 2019, 07:04:39 PM
Probably around 86 when I taught sniper school in the Marines. ;) Actually texted with Nic today. She still loves me. 8)
Is Keith ok with that? [cheeky]
Quote from: Bick on May 06, 2019, 07:10:38 PM
Is Keith ok with that? [cheeky]
I'm no threat to him. He's been around me, he knows the deal.
Day 4 is in the books. They're slowly getting into a groove. We had 2 night sessions this week as well. Tomorrow will be a short day for them. They'll shoot an array of CTE drills (Critical Task Evaluations). Stress test will be on Saturday. We will set it up after they leave. Then a couple 3 of the instructors will validate it.
FFF
Ok, so we setup the stress test yesterday and the instructors validated it. I added in a few new scenarios and it was no joke. Times were between 3-5mins today when the students ran it. Several of them are wishing they trained more often right about now. No worries, we'll work it out. Now it's onto the meat and potatoes of this mission. Your level of CQB is driven by your level of marksmanship. This mission has to be trained at nauseam to get really proficient at. I'll be doing everything within my power to pass on decades of experience to the youngsters. I lived and breathed it for a long time. Actually, haven't really stopped.
FFF
Quote from: kopfjäger on May 11, 2019, 09:03:48 PM
Ok, so we setup the stress test yesterday and the instructors validated it. I added in a few new scenarios and it was no joke. Times were between 3-5mins today when the students ran it. Several of them are wishing they trained more often right about now. No worries, we'll work it out. Now it's onto the meat and potatoes of this mission. Your level of CQB is driven by your level of marksmanship. This mission has to be trained at nauseam to get really proficient at. I'll be doing everything within my power to pass on decades of experience to the youngsters. I lived and breathed it for a long time. Actually, haven't really stopped.
FFF
Well, they're in capable hands, Godspeed lads.
Needed to get back to my 'safe space' today. Ran the 48 pretty hard today. Multiples with wide transitions and of course a bunch of mag changes. (Put a different slide release from GS on it) Ran a little over 300rds through it at a no bullshitting around pace. It was hot enough at one point to fry a finch egg on the slide.
FFF
Hot damn! ðŸ'ðŸ»
https://youtu.be/-pgki6PoRj8
Getting close to my 5k round test number on the G48. Ran it pretty hard today, and it's a damn good little gun. Hopefully it's not gonna take too long to build the 1911, cuz I'm getting antsy.
FFF
Still waiting for the all black G43X. [roll]
Some transition work tomorrow.
Ran 300ish rds through the 48 today. Lots of multiple tgt indexing, with mag changes mixed in. I don't round count and I vary my loads so I'm forced to react to what happens instead of a 'set' drill. I do do those as well depending on what my sorry ass needs to work on. FFF
Finished up with the boys yesterday. 4 separate live fire hits to include explosive exterior and interior breaching. Had two UH-60's and all the tgts were fast rope infills. I had a make the beast with two backsing blast advising for this class, and there's definitely gonna be some changes. “You'll never find out about yourself working in some make the beast with two backsing factory in Ohio.â€
Back at it today. Ran it pretty hard, pushing my ability level, and working hard on my processing speed. 300ish rounds of 147gr. This 48 is a sweet shooting little gun.
FFF
I wish I could get paid for shooting. :)
Finally got my mongrel .243Win AR to the range for initial run-in, went without a hitch. I think I like it. Put 10/10 inside a 6" circle with the cheap flip-up open sights with my shitty eyes at 50 yards, seems promising. Can't wait to get some glass on it and see what it can do at a distance. I love it when a plan comes together.
Oh, finally saw 'Destroyer' too. Nice work, D. [thumbsup]
Hell yeaah! What glass are you looking into?
I thought Nic did a great job, but that movie was make the beast with two backsing terrible.
Oh, and I don't get paid to shoot. My ammo bill sits between $6-800 a month. Even when I was advising for the boys recently, I shot my own ammo. The Army shoots that 115+p 9mm. Way to hot for training.
Not sure on glass yet, but it needs to be cheap. ;D Thinking something in the 3-12x40 neighborhood at the moment.
I've been hearing good things about Vortex stuff, but am wide open. Looked at a Nikon the other day that was nice, almost seemed to be too good a bargain.
That's a healthy monthly ammo tab. :o
Vortex makes decent glass, but don't go 'cheap' on your glass. Folks make that mistake a lot. They'll put good money into the gun, then go cheap on glass. Not a good plan.
So I hear....my cheap is probably a little more than some folks' cheap though. ;)
Quote from: Speedbag on May 29, 2019, 12:30:22 PM
So I hear....my cheap is probably a little more than some folks' cheap though. ;)
I RSO'd a Precision Rifle match at the club last weekend. Some of those guys scopes cost more than my SBK when I bought it.
Listen to D. Cheap glass is not a savings.
[thumbsup]
Trouble is, rehabbing my gigantic, rotting, cedar deck this summer is going to eat up any and all fun money for the foreseeable future. :P :P Hence the thought of something a little less extravagant for glass now and upgrade later once I get more time with the gun.
Quote from: Speedbag on May 29, 2019, 01:15:06 PM
[thumbsup]
Trouble is, rehabbing my gigantic, rotting, cedar deck this summer is going to eat up any and all fun money for the foreseeable future. :P :P Hence the thought of something a little less extravagant for glass now and upgrade later once I get more time with the gun.
Problem with that is you still end up with a scope you don't really want, which amounts to throwing away good money.
Do you have another rifle you can borrow the glass from?
If it were me, and it isn't, I'd shoot it with irons until I could afford the good stuff.
Ding Ding Ding! Run it with irons until you can get exactly what you want. Then again, that'll change too. :D ;)
I do have another rifle that could use a slightly better scope....
;D [laugh]
Pushed the 48 pretty hard today. Actually, pushing myself as well. Working hard on my processing speed. Ran 300+ so that puts me at about 5k through this gun without shooting anything else. I would highly recommend this pistol. It would be a great gun for women to learn on, and for the 'shooters', it can be pushed to your' ability level. Waiting on Agency Arms to make a few odds and ends for it. Gotta get my boy working on the 1911 build. Daddy needs a new pair of shoes.
FFF
Got to the range today and I wasn't feeling it. Weather was good, I was in a good mood (I'm almost always in a good mood). Usually means a breakthrough of some kind. Had a great session, about 300ish rds of all kinds of drills. Lotta wide transitions, multiples and mag changes.
FFF
Quote from: ducpainter on May 29, 2019, 01:26:35 PM
Problem with that is you still end up with a scope you don't really want, which amounts to throwing away good money.
Amen.
“Sweet, summer rain.†Was a bit moist today, but I had a good session despite having to wipe my Oakley's off every other minute. Quick warmup then walked back and did the single from the rig at 50. (Ding) Worked some wide (20yd) tgt transitions from 25. Ran several other drills as well, 250ish rounds. FFF
Moist.
Delta wants to wear Oakleys, that's their business.
Quote from: Bick on June 07, 2019, 09:36:28 AM
Delta wants to wear Oakleys, that's their business.
“This is my safety, Sir.â€
One of our best...
Solid training days Tues., and today. I worked a lot of movement around barriers on multiple tgts while moving today. Mixed in odd round counts to force mag changes at different times. 600+ rounds between the two sessions.
FFF
Getting some rain tomorrow, so I hit the range today. Was all over it like a fat kid on a Twinkie. 300+ rounds running a bunch of drills. First day of the season with some of that good ole southern humidity. All good though, other than I had to workout outside when I got home. “You white folks got the last klick out of Junior.â€
FFF
Get me that centipede from the ammo crate!
Quote from: GK on June 18, 2019, 07:08:00 AM
Get me that centipede from the ammo crate!
:D
Ran the 48 today with the new trigger Johnny Glock did for me using the Agency Arms shoe. Not a lot different from his other trigger, but I like this tactile feel much better. Pushed it as hard as I have the ability to. 250+rds.
FFF
Two really solid sessions this week. Easily over 7k rds through the 48 now. Running lots of multiples, moving multiples, wide (18yd) transitions, mag changes, 50yd cold shots, etc etc etc.
Had two separate barrels shipped for the 1911 build, both were flawed. Hopefully third time is a charm. I gotta get this gun built.
FFF
First really hot day today. 91 & 50+% humidity. It was draining my soul, plus headspace and timing was off and I didn't have a gauge. Fought through it as best I could and had a so, so training session. 300+ rds of varying drills.
FFF
Independence Day! 🇺🇸 Pretty solid work today, ran 300rds. I can feel a breakthrough of some kind coming. Not sure exactly where it'll come into play, hopefully processing speed. We shall see.
FFF
Happy 4th kopf!
ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»
🇺🇸🇺🇸
91 and 64% humidity today at the range. Makes for a tuff training session, but I actually got in some solid work. Targets were getting a little IZ_ near the end. 300rds and I was drenched.
FFF
Tried some new loads with Titegroup (3.2grains) and 124 jacketed, very nice and smooth. [thumbsup]
Ran 300rds today. Nursing a bad right shoulder. MRI tomorrow then back to the orthopedic doctor on Thursday. If I gotta get cut, I'm gonna be doing a shit ton of support hand drills. :D
FFF
Ran a bunch of drills today. Distance, multiples, barriers, movement, etc etc. Had my MRA on Wednesday (that's a lot of fun, felt like I was stuffed into the baggage compartment on a commercial flight for 30min). Saw the orthopedic doctor yesterday and it looks like we're gonna do surgery, but it's a 3 month recovery and I have back to back CQB classes to teach in September, and a couple days in October. I'm gonna hold off til then. He gave me 'the shot' yesterday and I'm good to go for now.
FFF
Rotator cuff?
Quote from: ducpainter on July 27, 2019, 05:07:06 AM
Rotator cuff?
Yup. Labrum is dinged up as well. He'll scope it and reconnect something something from one side to the other. Or something along those lines.
Quote from: kopfjäger on July 27, 2019, 09:04:49 AM
Yup. Labrum is dinged up as well. He'll scope it and reconnect something something from one side to the other. Or something along those lines.
The stuff they can do is pretty amazing.
T had hand surgery to fix some damage from osteo-arthritis that was, literally, life changing.
I know you know, but do the PT...like it was a mission. ;)
That's great! I'll be methodical about recovery for sure.
Got after it pretty hard today. 300+rds of all kinds of drills. Heavy on reloads. Shoulder seemed fine till near the end of the session. I'm easily pushing past 8k rds through the 48, no real issues. I had a trigger go down last week, but had the first Johnnyglocks setup to put back in. He's building me another one now. This little gun is solid.
FFF
Okay, here we go again. Unless you live under a rock, I'm sure you're aware of the mass shooting incident this past weekend. There's some seriously make the beast with two backsed up in the head people amongst us, so I'm going to discuss some things. No make the beast with two backsing politics!
Since my retirement when I'm training folks in CMMS/SDS shooting, I've always used this exact scenario in a Walmart. If you carry and someone comes in a venue like that and you have a pistol and there's 1-3 shooters with long guns, what are you going to do?
Are you gonna try and escape, help direct people to a back exit,(always know how to get out of the back of any establishment you're in) or take the fight to the shooter?
I know exactly what I'm gonna try and do, and it's eliminate the threat. If I get burned down in the process, well that's how it goes. If, if, you commit to the fight that's what you do!, you cannot stop to help injured people at this time. That'll come later.
This, like CQB is a game of angles a thinking man's game. You need to move accordingly. You'll need to close the distance to the threat in order to be able to engage them. Use whatever cover/concealment there is to your advantage.
I cannot stress enough that you need to train as much as possible. Can't get to the range, you know the drill. Dry fire Dry fire Dry fire!
When you're out and about, keep your head on a swivel. (You can't remain in a constant state of orange, but do your best). Park out and away from other vehicles, look around before you get out of your car. Stay the make the beast with two backs off of your cell phone.
I'm going to add to this as things I automatically do pop into my head.
“If you have no awareness, you have no chance...
You can't create a solution if you don't see the problem...
Mindset is everything...
Pretending the world isn't getting more and more violent ensures
you'll have zero awareness and therefore zero preparedness...
Embrace violenceâ€
Was out of town for a HS reunion in Md. Missed a few sessions, so I got after it pretty hard today, ran over 350rds. Shit ton of mag changes, multiples, barriers, and movement. Shoulder is hanging in so far.
FFF
Last three sessions I've been pushing on that 48 like it owed me money. A little over 300rds each session. Received the third barrel for my 1911 build today, and they finally got it right. Now the boys gotta build it, get all the tolerances correct, then send it out to get nitride coated. My holster guy already built me a holster and mag pouches for it. It's gonna be a sweet gun.
FFF
Solid training this week. Wasn't really feeling it on Tuesday, but I was wringing the neck of that 48 today. 90-60% humidity when I got setup today. I was drenched by the time I finished up. Probably ran around 700rds between the two sessions. I gotta get that 1911 built, I'm about at my' limit on this gun.
FFF
Multiple time World Champion showing off her skills.
https://youtu.be/H0ZfcxYlbtY
Solid work this week. Busted my guide rod in the 48 on Tues., and had to switch to the M&P with the RMR on it. Hadn't shot it in forever, and it went pretty damn well, except my mag changes since I have use my non firing hand to run the controls, so my brain had to play catch-up. Got back on the 48 today. Oh, the barrel was fitted to the slide today for the 1911 build. ;)
FFF
Training days this week were good. Swapped in another new trigger from Johnny Glock. The 1911 build is coming along nicely. We decided on the slide cuts the other day, so it's progressing along nicely. Packing up to head down to RCTA tomorrow. I'm teaching back to back classes for LEO's. Level 1 and Level 2 (CQB). Hopefully I got some motivated folks attending.
FFF
https://youtu.be/S51wySZ8MU4
https://youtu.be/VkiRFk8ljIc
Finished up the 2 weeks of training LEO's. It was brutally hot in Mississippi, and it drained my soul. Had some good folks attending the two courses. A Level 1 and 2. A lot of knowledge bombs were dropped and hearts and minds were won. I put everything I have into teaching these courses and hopefully it'll help these guys on the job. It takes years of hard work and training to get really good at this mission. I hope they continue to train hard, and they know they can contact me 24-7 to discuss anything that comes to mind.
Fundamentals Fundamentals Fundamentals
https://youtu.be/nX0vJwp_TZY
De Oppresso Liber
https://youtu.be/s20kcbxvNFA
Traded off some toys (RC cars) for another toy...
DMPS AR-15.
Ignore the existing furniture. I have a different forward grip for it. But the previous owner just threw in all of the AR parts he had...
Never fired outside of the single factory test round.
Taking it plinking on Sunday.
(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/71472103_10157454241830967_3682186397571088384_o.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_oc=AQnHUedN2mJClIotX4qK5ETTnzHD3pDRG9Sk5IpJ8e-6paMSQKthg9ALAgwb_jHkz5I&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-1.xx&oh=7cd9873d4907fad7e1493765fb3f9b85&oe=5E1A3F01)
Quote from: ZILBERT on October 09, 2019, 02:23:32 PM
Traded off some toys (RC cars) for another toy...
DMPS AR-15.
Ignore the existing furniture. I have a different forward grip for it. But the previous owner just threw in all of the AR parts he had...
Never fired outside of the single factory test round.
Taking it plinking on Sunday.
(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/71472103_10157454241830967_3682186397571088384_o.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_oc=AQnHUedN2mJClIotX4qK5ETTnzHD3pDRG9Sk5IpJ8e-6paMSQKthg9ALAgwb_jHkz5I&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-1.xx&oh=7cd9873d4907fad7e1493765fb3f9b85&oe=5E1A3F01)
It's no Perazzi, but better than RC car stuff. ;D
Just got back from running a 3 day Performance Pistol class at T.E.E.S. It was designed to take existing instructors up to another level. We did a shit ton of CTE's and they were able to collect a lot of data. Had some AF dudes, a few SWAT guys and a prior service guy that owns a company in Houston. Pretty solid group of folks. They ran a little over 1k rounds.
FFF
After 3 days of training folks, I got to train myself today. Got after it pretty hard with the 48. Perfect weather here this time of year.
FFF
Quote from: ZILBERT on October 09, 2019, 02:23:32 PM
Traded off some toys (RC cars) for another toy...
DMPS AR-15.
Ignore the existing furniture. I have a different forward grip for it. But the previous owner just threw in all of the AR parts he had...
Never fired outside of the single factory test round.
Taking it plinking on Sunday.
(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/71472103_10157454241830967_3682186397571088384_o.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_oc=AQnHUedN2mJClIotX4qK5ETTnzHD3pDRG9Sk5IpJ8e-6paMSQKthg9ALAgwb_jHkz5I&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-1.xx&oh=7cd9873d4907fad7e1493765fb3f9b85&oe=5E1A3F01)
Curious if those mags are reliable?
Quote from: red baron on October 22, 2019, 07:26:36 AM
Curious if those mags are reliable?
Not enough rounds on em yet to be certain but no issues so far.
I see your concerns though.
Wonder how they compare to a PMAG over time.....
Git some! Git some baby!
https://youtu.be/ezS4rIsl5Yw
Picked up a POF Revolution DI in 308 recently. It's everything I wanted in a 308 AR style weapon. It looked like they had somewhat mixed reviews at first, but got them sorted pretty quickly. Mine is been flawless and will chug out consistent MOA or better 5 shot groups at 100yds with me at the trigger. Put my Vortex 3-15 scope on it and I'm ready for deer season.
If I handed it to you you'd swear it's a standard 223 AR 15, until you looked at the magwell.
https://youtu.be/dca9WTu1syY
https://youtu.be/CtVTIF7TBeA
So Kopf, I always read about your time in the range. How about some words about after the range day is over. What's your firearm cleaning regimen?
I've briefly discussed it. I do two live sessions a week, rarely more, but occasionally. I clean on the weekend after the two sessions. I use simple green mostly. I break the gun all the way down and scrub it with a toothbrush. Spray it off again and hit the tight spots with couple Q-tips. Then wipe it down with a rag. I use small microfiber rags. Put it together and leave it bone dry. Next session I lube it with Lucas Oil extreme duty. Doesn't get cleaned again till after the next day 2. I never run a bore brush through it either. You can, but I like keeping the fowling in the barrel. The little 48 has 20k + through it now. Ask 100 guys you'll get 90 variations. Ran 300rds today.
Oh, and out of those 100 guys you ask. 5 of them will shoot as much as I do. Bottom line is.....Don't over clean your guns! Period.
[thumbsup]
I posted an article awhile back. From a former Depot level armorer that was working for the Feds. Heavy gun use on the range equipment. They started noticing repeat parts failures, and after studying it, they attributed it to over cleaning with harsh chemicals. Average folks don't abuse guns like that, but it's food for thought. ymmv
I remember reading that article you posted kopf. ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»
During Basic, I had arguably one of the worst M16/AR15/M4 guns ever to see the surface of God's green earth.
I could literally only get 3 to 5 rounds out of it before a jam. I became so proficient at S.P.O.R.T.S. that I could have wrote an entire novel series about it.
After one of the last range days before qualifying, I asked my DI if I could speak with the armorer about this particular weapon.
He agreed and I headed off to the armory. When I got there, the armorer had one of the training SAWs broken down and was cleaning it. That thing was so clean that some of the bluing was actually coming off of parts.
I knew right then and there what the problem was...the gun had been cleaned too well and the tolerances had opened up to the point that the gas charge was partially blowing buy the bolt carrier causing periodic "shortages" in the cycle.
I spoke to the armor about it, and he was insisting that it was a good idea to over clean than under clean *(I definitely did not agree with this). I asked if I could get a new bolt carrier for my weapon and he grudgingly agreed.
Never had another issue with short bolt cycles and would only clean my weapon enough to pass inspection but otherwise kept it as dirty as I could.
“Voting opens December 1st 2019 and closes January 1st 2020. During this time-period, users may vote up to 10 times per day, once per category for their favourite influencer.â€
https://thegundies.com/
Which category are you in?
Quote from: ducpainter on December 01, 2019, 02:59:35 PM
Which category are yo in?
The I'm gonna vote a lot, and hope to win a prize category. :D
If ya come to my hometown, I'll take you here. [evil]
https://youtu.be/jShnZDM2_UA
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 06, 2019, 05:07:03 PM
If ya come to my hometown, I'll take you here. [evil]
https://youtu.be/jShnZDM2_UA
Find me a Winchester M1 carine barrel for less than 11ty billion...
and I might come visit. :-*
I'll start making weekly visits. They get stuff in pretty much daily. Price?
https://youtu.be/was2xsfFgQ0
https://narratively.com/the-deadliest-marksmans-cold-brave-stand/
Badass!
https://youtu.be/_WcuJ-y8CyM
Anybody here play on the 1000yd range ? Been working 600 to 1000 yd on a learning/ hobby
level and was wondering if Others here enjoy this challenge.
I've been under artillery fire on a couple occasions. I prefer seeing it from this angle. [evil]
https://youtu.be/B4VT-EruYDg
I don't know anyone personally that's shooting this pistol. (Maybe someone here?) Pretty out of the box design.
http://www.laugoarms.com/alien.html
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 27, 2020, 07:58:29 PM
I don't know anyone personally that's shooting this pistol. (Maybe someone here?) Pretty out of the box design.
http://www.laugoarms.com/alien.html
That's an odd one.
I see your strange semi-auto, and raise with two freaky revolvers.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/Chiappa_Rhinos_-_200DS_and_40DS_%2842398401015%29.jpg)
Those things are beasts.
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 27, 2020, 07:58:29 PM
I don't know anyone personally that's shooting this pistol. (Maybe someone here?) Pretty out of the box design.
http://www.laugoarms.com/alien.html
:o
I want to play....but I'll bet the price of admission is up there.
Quote from: Speedbag on January 28, 2020, 05:15:40 AM
:o
I want to play....but I'll bet the price of admission is up there.
$6k is what I've seen which is normal for high end race guns.
I think you should get one and tell us what it's like.
Quote from: Speeddog on January 28, 2020, 08:45:39 AM
I think you should get one and tell us what it's like.
[laugh] [laugh] I'd like to run the dog shit out of one, but I don't see it in my future.
Picked up this Evo SP after the holidays, got a screaming deal on it that I couldn't pass up.
Nice little shooter, very accurate too. I've only run one box through it so far, but I really like it.
(https://i.imgur.com/OHe1Iy5.jpg)
[thumbsup]
Is that 1911 done yet?
We need pics. ;D
Quote from: Speedbag on January 29, 2020, 07:02:28 AM
Is that 1911 done yet?
We need pics. ;D
I was getting after him yesterday. It should be getting finished up in a few weeks. I told him I gotta have that gun finished soon.
Work it boys!
https://youtu.be/q0JOGitG388
https://youtu.be/jWVpBQPK25U
Enjoy 8)
https://youtu.be/UnETVMI4tY8
SA-15 flush fit mags for the 48 showed up today. I've been waiting about 6 months for these bad boys. Exact same size as the factory 10rd mag, but since they made them from metal they are thinner and hold 15rds. I'll start putting them through their paces tomorrow, and see how they hold up.
Third session running the S15 mags. Ran 500+ today. Shit ton of reload drills etc etc. Had a couple failures to feed the first session, but no issues today. Like other mags I think they need a little break in period. Being metal, they drop like shit through a goose, and reload clean. Shield is offering a 10% stronger spring for them, and they sent me 5 of them at no cost. I'll see how they run when I receive them.
FFF
1954 baby!
https://youtu.be/qT435uvS0js
We built the FN here under licence for years calling it the SLR 303. Not sure when we went to NATO rounds.I'm sure you know the story that US soldiers called it the Kentucky Long Rifle during the Vietnam conflict. Damn thing was a robust weapon with great range.
I had a sportified Enfield 303 for awhile with light weight synthetic stock. Miss that gun.
The Batphone rang the other day, it was Uncle Sugar. I'm gonna run the flat range this week for a bunch of the boys heading to the box. I'm sure I've said it before, but it's an honor for me to help train the next generation of warriors. I don't take this shit lightly because I know what's going on in theater. I'll give them everything I got, and then some. The following week I'm headed to Nellis to train the PJs again.
FFF
[thumbsup]
I made a thing. 1911 content...
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=46091.msg1431248#msg1431248
Finished up the two weeks on Friday with the PJs. Gave them everything I had, and we shot a ton of ammo. M-4 and Glocks. Did a white light and NVG session Thursday night. Great group of young guys, and as always they had their eyes opened. It's an honor for me to help train the next generation of barrel chested freedom fighters. Now, I'm stuck in Vegas. My flight keeps getting canceled, and this whole city is pretty much closed.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B-IhikTpwnb/?igshid=1x6u4zhel882q
https://www.instagram.com/p/B-IlYdSJ3q_/?igshid=1vk5nluya5cu0
So, my boys were supposed to go to another instillation to finalize training, but they're locked down here. I'm gonna go back out and work with them this week. We will be able to work with smaller groups because they have other tasks to complete. I'll run all kinds of shooting scenarios with them.
I really need to get my new optics dialed in.
I am now able to target out to the max effective range of the .223/5.56.
I have decided that my next AR will be chambered in .458 SOCOM... as 223/5.56 as well as .300, .308, and other common rifle calibers are getting very sparse out here even at Brownells whose warehouse is only 25 minutes from my front door. But .458 is in stock every where I check.
Doesn't help that the hardware is like 11ty times more expensive but then ya gotta pay to play, amiright?
Got out for some plinking yesterday with my brother and nephew but with the gusty winds, spent most of my time stationary.
[thumbsup]
Build the gun around what you have access to run through it is the same as build the engine for the fuel you can get.
https://youtu.be/6dgrup7W1lM
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 31, 2020, 12:38:42 PM
https://youtu.be/6dgrup7W1lM
First, that whole video made me giggle a bit more than it should have.
Second, my experimentation with chicken carcasses and the Barnes "Varmint Grenade" ammo resulted in similar levels of carnage and giggling.
Jerry being Jerry. His walk off at the end is hilarious.
https://youtu.be/p4PNjKgJklI
https://youtu.be/jWC244-erRQ
So the .458 SOCOM thing is much closer to reality.
Checked out what Brownells had available and with the XL upper being "dirt cheap" and the barrel/bolt combo being less than $250, I went ahead and ordered them.
Now I just need the BCG and then to pick out a front guard and a charging handle and I will be able to pop the 2 pivot pins, swap uppers and can even use the same 5.56 NATO mags I already have.
Ammo still isn't cheap but 300+gr vs 77gr makes for a lot more short range stopping power and if I ever want to start doing ELR shooting, I can look at buying a bolt action .50 BMG or a .338 Lapua for that.
Quote from: kopfjäger on March 24, 2020, 05:58:59 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/B-IlYdSJ3q_/?igshid=1vk5nluya5cu0
Curious, why run the gun dry?
Why not top off before dry?
Quote from: red baron on April 19, 2020, 08:10:07 AM
Curious, why run the gun dry?
Why not top off before dry?
Because it's not a make the beast with two backsing game, and you can't round count in combat. It's what's called a weapons manipulation drill. C'mon, you have to know this by now for make the beast with two backss sake!
Quote from: kopfjäger on April 19, 2020, 10:22:56 AM
Because it's not a make the beast with two backsing game, and you can't round count in combat. It's what's called a weapons manipulation drill. C'mon, you have to know this by now for make the beast with two backss sake!
How would he know that?
He hasn't served, and only plays games...
That said, it is pretty obvious. [evil]
Calm down... for make the beast with two backss sake. ;D :-*
:D
https://youtu.be/fC3sZ8bm1oA
Why doesn't he just double-tap the reload key? [popcorn]
;D
Little snakes on the range class. It's warming up here, so “No shoulders Jake†is out and about.
https://youtu.be/5TUPOi2JtPI
That was educational, thank you.
Toilet paper shelves are starting to make a comeback, so Ammo should follow suit. I've been running 115gr here lately, and it's too hot for the 48. So I broke out the M&P with the red dot on it. I run double stack guns slightly different. I use my non firing hand to drop mags and slide releases. Scrambles my little brain at bit, but all good.
Fundamentals Fundamentals Fundamentals
Was wandering around Fleet Farm earlier today as I needed to pick up some stall mat for some decoupling in the theater (communicating doors with a air gap between the walls that needed to be covered but in a way that would not transmit vibration from the inner theater wall to the outer bar wall).
Decided to swing by the guns and ammo section and saw that they had 4 - 40rnd .223/5.56 PMags in stock so I snatched em up along with a dozen boxes of Federal Premium Sierra Matchking.
It was on sale and I am going to be doing some shooting over 250yds this coming weekend so I wanted something better than my normal plinking ammo.
But the shelves were still considerably bare of common ammo. I still need to make a drive over to Brownells and wander around. Haven't been in their new retail facility yet and they have been there some time now.
[thumbsup]
Busy pressing 147's here.
More time with the G29 this week.
Quote from: Speedbag on January 29, 2020, 07:02:28 AM
Is that 1911 done yet?
We need pics. ;D
It's pretty much finished. Did some test shots the other day. Still needs some tweaking, but it's a sick build. Should be able to start running it hard soon.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CBEGmNVpxbn/?igshid=vmg73w3iycn8
https://youtu.be/rwIX5TcLy5w
Quote from: kopfjäger on June 12, 2020, 11:16:51 AM
It's pretty much finished. Did some test shots the other day. Still needs some tweaking, but it's a sick build. Should be able to start running it hard soon.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CBEGmNVpxbn/?igshid=vmg73w3iycn8
:o [drool] :o [drool]
This just cracks me up....
https://www.hi-pointfirearms.com/hi-point-handguns/9mm-OGYC.php
https://youtu.be/DHLlwiLebkc
Hey Zilbert. It may be too late. Did you ever look at this forum http://458socomforums.com/index.php (http://458socomforums.com/index.php) It is not as active as it used to be, but there is a lot of knowledge on there. I had an upper made by SSK industries ages ago when barrels were not as common. BTW there are oversized receiver pins that make the the swap even a quicker breeze.
Have fun!
Quote from: ZILBERT on April 16, 2020, 04:02:51 PM
So the .458 SOCOM thing is much closer to reality.
Checked out what Brownells had available and with the XL upper being "dirt cheap" and the barrel/bolt combo being less than $250, I went ahead and ordered them.
Now I just need the BCG and then to pick out a front guard and a charging handle and I will be able to pop the 2 pivot pins, swap uppers and can even use the same 5.56 NATO mags I already have.
Ammo still isn't cheap but 300+gr vs 77gr makes for a lot more short range stopping power and if I ever want to start doing ELR shooting, I can look at buying a bolt action .50 BMG or a .338 Lapua for that.
Ammo is a constant challenge now. The distributors I use are doing what they can to keep up. The main issue now is primers, or lack there of. Since I run a minimum of 600rds of 9mm a week it's becoming more and more difficult to stay supplied. Unable to shoot this week (dry fired my ass off), but I have some on the way. FFF
https://youtu.be/OhUmMM1MZ8s
Quote from: kopfjäger on July 17, 2020, 05:02:17 PM
Ammo is a constant challenge now. The distributors I use are doing what they can to keep up. The main issue now is primers, or lack there of. Since I run a minimum of 600rds of 9mm a week it's becoming more and more difficult to stay supplied. Unable to shoot this week (dry fired my ass off), but I have some on the way. FFF
I called CCI since my stash of primers is lower than I would like, they said they're running about 10 million primers a day! :o
Even projectiles are getting tough to locate, but I'm kinda particular.
https://youtu.be/o8WUbh8tY7g
Quote from: kopfjäger on July 17, 2020, 05:02:17 PM
Ammo is a constant challenge now. The distributors I use are doing what they can to keep up. The main issue now is primers, or lack there of. Since I run a minimum of 600rds of 9mm a week it's becoming more and more difficult to stay supplied. Unable to shoot this week (dry fired my ass off), but I have some on the way. FFF
Blows my mind.
In February, SPG had Wolf 9mm FMJ on sale for $120/1000, so I ordered 15. They sold out and backordered it. I've been re-confirming that damn backorder every time they email me. They've sent me 4 of them so far, and I just got a notice they were sending 2 -- they are currently selling them for $500/each.
Wolf is not my preferred round, but it is something to shoot.
Quote from: ducatiz on October 14, 2020, 12:18:17 PM
Blows my mind.
In February, SPG had Wolf 9mm FMJ on sale for $120/1000, so I ordered 15. They sold out and backordered it. I've been re-confirming that damn backorder every time they email me. They've sent me 4 of them so far, and I just got a notice they were sending 2 -- they are currently selling them for $500/each.
Wolf is not my preferred round, but it is something to shoot.
Folks I know in the industry that buy multiple calibers of bulk ammo are saying it might night settle down till this time next year. Others have said by spring.
Freedom just posted some 115gr More than double the normal cost.
New .65
Reman .59
Quote from: kopfjäger on October 14, 2020, 12:26:26 PM
Folks I know in the industry that buy multiple calibers of bulk ammo are saying it might night settle down till this time next year. Others have said by spring.
Freedom just posted some 115gr More than double the normal cost.
New .65
Reman .59
Well, it depends on whether or not there is some action to restrict the sale of ammo between some random date in January and then.. some have said that they will restrictt mail order of ammo and require in-person purchases only.
Quote from: ducatiz on October 14, 2020, 12:33:46 PM
Well, it depends on whether or not there is some action to restrict the sale of ammo between some random date in January and then.. some have said that they will restrictt mail order of ammo and require in-person purchases only.
I guess we'll find out in due time.
Maria getting after it!
https://youtu.be/b6SZH4hj8AY
https://youtu.be/GBfqjTsrZk8
https://youtu.be/1BPNEFyWeBs
https://youtu.be/frMXsMgDUWI
Quote from: kopfjäger on July 29, 2020, 05:00:11 PM
https://youtu.be/OhUmMM1MZ8s
That was pretty slick. Looks like most of the powder comes out without even being ignited with no chamber to hold everything in place.
https://youtu.be/aLQOvPMAjqk
https://youtu.be/SgUf9bSRXzs
https://youtu.be/cCgQ2DV0n6Q
Autumn running some drills with Alex.
https://youtu.be/9Mdadgl9NGA
Her opinion on several different firearms.
https://youtu.be/-kNZsrlct9s
https://youtu.be/1pSVn7ozXTQ
Wow. :o
While I've never considered my M&P 22 Compact as a self defense weapon, this is definitely interesting.....
https://youtu.be/2l_XHHyRLzo
Merry Christmas to me, fresh and oily right out of the box. 8)
(https://i.imgur.com/U1bib6F.jpg)
Sweet!!
https://youtu.be/L10AWxwCjHo
[thumbsup] Sweet slab sides!! ;D ;D
Quote from: Speedbag on December 30, 2020, 06:17:53 AM
Wow. :o
While I've never considered my M&P 22 Compact as a self defense weapon, this is definitely interesting.....
https://youtu.be/hMJtpUso8h4
A pretty good showing for the .22LR there too. :o
Picked up one of these little beasts on a whim this weekend. Bond Arms Rowdy in .45 Colt/.410. They're cheap, and I've always wanted a Judge but didn't like their bulk and for some reason I've thought I needed a .410 pistol. ;D It's a snappy little monster, good backup unit for the glovebox.
(https://i.imgur.com/LTuld3O.jpg)
A buddy made these sweet foam-lines presentation boxes for me a few months back and I've been wondering what to do with them. Hmmm.
(https://i.imgur.com/eaZDJ8s.jpg)
Knuckle buster. :D Nice gun box. [thumbsup]
Yeah, my buddy does some nice woodworking. They're perfect for guns.
(https://i.imgur.com/uePMtI0.jpg)
He built the bar the boxes are sitting on also.
Very nice.
https://youtu.be/Cuougs2GmGA
https://youtu.be/AkxzMs2iYtE
https://youtu.be/WAzg09vpT0g
I looked at a Ruger 57 when I picked up my latest .45 a couple weeks ago. Pretty cool piece.
I've never owned a gun before, but last week I shot my friend's Gen 2 Glock 21 .45 ACP. I was pretty good at self-defense distance (10 yards)... so he gave me the gun, 2 mags, and a bag of bullets. Pretty cool.
That's awesome.
"The purpose of the pistol is to stop a fight that somebody else has started, almost always at very short range." Jeff Cooper
Autumn showing off her fancy new blaster. The spray paint she talks about at the end is awesome. I started using it to paint my steel last year.
https://youtu.be/0lnwO_vTB5Y
https://youtu.be/gY8DNy1zHwI
This is an amazing piece of footage from 1908. Check out the dude raking the molten steel with not even a pair of gloves on.
https://youtu.be/sZXb5uqUolM
https://youtu.be/r5uUdWikE2E
https://youtu.be/TsI3fHUOlQM
Quote from: rule62 on January 15, 2021, 10:38:31 AM
I've never owned a gun before, but last week I shot my friend's Gen 2 Glock 21 .45 ACP. I was pretty good at self-defense distance (10 yards)... so he gave me the gun, 2 mags, and a bag of bullets. Pretty cool.
That's a damn fine range day, congrats! [thumbsup]
https://youtu.be/pSGcWAFt8vY
If you've been thinking about getting the SIG M18, Autumn is gonna give it a rundown.
https://youtu.be/Sv7EoE4BKIY
RIP Chip. If you know of him then you know the deal.
https://www.shootingillustrated.com/articles/2021/6/7/obituary-chip-mccormick-legendary-gunsmith-and-innovator
https://youtu.be/s59IFr_5DJ4
https://www.shootingillustrated.com/articles/2021/6/22/smith-wesson-shatters-1-billion-sales-barrier-for-the-first-time
https://youtu.be/C32WxA47KBo
This is my girl Amber, doing a walkthrough at Exile. Y'all 8)
https://youtu.be/1ZNvWbHb-tw
Gots me a new toy for Xmas!
(https://i.imgur.com/kxaX7pP.jpg)
Hope it's as good as the reviews indicate. Should be a good backup, not to mention I can play with a red dot if I want.
Oh hell yeaah!
Quote from: Speedbag on December 16, 2021, 11:13:57 AM
Gots me a new toy for Xmas!
(https://i.imgur.com/kxaX7pP.jpg)
Hope it's as good as the reviews indicate. Should be a good backup, not to mention I can play with a red dot if I want.
Nice, I had a XD40 a few years ago, sold it due to financial issues, loved it
Bought this. It's in ATF jail until the form 4 goes through.
It's a US made copy of a Vityaz. I handled one when I did those things...... Remarkably accurate for what it is. Will pair nicely with the Omega.
(https://kalashnikov-usa.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/sbr-1536x1536.jpg)
[thumbsup]
Oh, I like that!
Quote from: ducatiz on December 19, 2021, 08:01:27 PM
Bought this. It's in ATF jail until the form 4 goes through.
It's a US made copy of a Vityaz. I handled one when I did those things...... Remarkably accurate for what it is. Will pair nicely with the Omega.
(https://kalashnikov-usa.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/sbr-1536x1536.jpg)
I was off by a couple. My guess was that it would go thru all. I've seen what it does going into a body. That little bullet bounces around wrecking havoc. A 45 just leaves a big hole.
Quote from: Speedbag on December 30, 2020, 06:17:53 AM
Wow. :o
While I've never considered my M&P 22 Compact as a self defense weapon, this is definitely interesting.....
I'm eager to share this! We are now minor sponsors of the Board. You can find our website on this post.
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=79080.0
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https://youtu.be/VnfDtVV7dHs
Go to the 12:30 mark. ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SlOXowwC4c
When I was a kid, an uncle had a car catch fire inside the dash which proceeded to burn it to the ground. My uncle stopped the car and got out of course, but as he stood in the ditch watching it go up he remembered the couple of boxes of ammo that were in the console. He then decided to dive for cover. Of course they all went off and a few bits of shrapnel made it through the car body.
Mae giving a quick rundown on the BAR. If you've ever fired one, you know the deal.
https://youtu.be/TddhGBIs9Ww
https://youtu.be/eFMWZ7Wabes
https://youtu.be/RLGwkYFNOUc
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 26, 2022, 10:55:11 PM
Mae giving a quick rundown on the BAR. If you've ever fired one, you know the deal.
https://youtu.be/TddhGBIs9Ww
We had some leftover ancient BAR-D rifles in tironut (basic training). All converted to 7.62nato from 30.06. Very cool rifle, you could QC the barrel when it got hot.
Years later I saw a bunch of them for sale by SARCO, demilled.
Quote from: Kopfjager on August 03, 2022, 11:09:44 AMhttps://youtu.be/RLGwkYFNOUc
:o :o :o :o :o :o
Here I thought buying a 4' wide safe made me a big deal :P
Quote from: Monsterlover on March 22, 2025, 03:16:12 PM:o :o :o :o :o :o
Here I thought buying a 4' wide safe made me a big deal :P
My safe was too small the day I bought it. At least the only stuff that's out is the muzzle loaders.
Quote from: ducpainter on March 22, 2025, 03:28:28 PMMy safe was too small the day I bought it. At least the only stuff that's out is the muzzle loaders.
I understanding is that if it says 40 guns it means it really holds about 20.
Looking at Stealth
Quote from: Monsterlover on March 22, 2025, 04:18:57 PMI understanding is that if it says 40 guns it means it really holds about 20.
Looking at Stealth
There are systems that help. https://www.storemoreguns.com/?srsltid=AfmBOop6al8LpwkF9jUJsgLtnfBPjjtk57137JkNcldz7JcAKJkfGrNB
The side laying system is inefficient.
Some of my muzzle loaders are too long for the safe. Not much I can do about that.
Quote from: ducpainter on March 22, 2025, 04:25:10 PMThere are systems that help. https://www.storemoreguns.com/?srsltid=AfmBOop6al8LpwkF9jUJsgLtnfBPjjtk57137JkNcldz7JcAKJkfGrNB
The side laying system is inefficient.
Some of my muzzle loaders are too long for the safe. Not much I can do about that.
What's the overall on a muzzle loader?
Quote from: Monsterlover on March 22, 2025, 04:40:26 PMWhat's the overall on a muzzle loader?
Depends.
Short of measuring the gun, my Kibler SMR has a barrel length of 44"
Quote from: ducpainter on March 22, 2025, 04:46:07 PMDepends.
Short of measuring the gun, my Kibler SMR has a barrel length of 44"
I'm looking at this. 67" inside
https://www.safeandvaultstore.com/collections/gun-safe-rifle-safe-products/products/stealth-premier-50-gun-safe (https://www.safeandvaultstore.com/collections/gun-safe-rifle-safe-products/products/stealth-premier-50-gun-safe)
Quote from: ducpainter on March 22, 2025, 03:28:28 PMMy safe was too small the day I bought it. At least the only stuff that's out is the muzzle loaders.
And me with my single slot compact safe.... [coffee]
Anyone have experience with a .22 magnum revolver?
My 930 pound safe gets here Monday. Wish me luck.
[Dolph]